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Nov 26 11:49:26 <pbaxter> hi a
Nov 26 11:49:28 <pbaxter> ll
Nov 26 11:51:50 <XorA> hey
Nov 26 18:01:32 <timing_> hi there using Argstrom on a beagleboard very newbie in Linux got a question : I am trying to build pycrypto library on argstrom i have been getting an error : /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lpython2.6 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status error: command 'arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc' failed with exit status 1
Nov 26 18:01:42 <timing_> what does this mean and how can i fix it?
Nov 26 18:02:16 <timing_> and the other thing is that I seem not able to connect to the internet from angstrom
Nov 26 18:02:27 <timing_> any help there too would be great
Nov 26 18:05:09 <timing_> please people? at least help me connect to the internet from Angstrom...
Nov 26 19:46:38 <lorans> hi, i have trouble updating my angstrom I tried "opkg update"  and got a * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv7a/base/Packages.gz.  error detail: Couldn't connect to server error can someone help me out? Thanks in advance!
Nov 26 19:48:17 <lorans> anyone?
Nov 26 19:48:23 <lorans> please?
Nov 26 19:52:02 <telexl> 123.. testing
Nov 26 19:52:03 <telexl> okay
Nov 26 19:52:28 <telexl> Is Angstrom working on the Sharp SL-5500/Collie yet, please?
Nov 26 19:52:33 <telexl> Is it worth me trying it?
Nov 26 19:52:58 <telexl> Currently I am running OpenZaurus 3.5.4.1 (Hentges version)
Nov 26 19:58:18 <lorans> hi, i have trouble updating my angstrom I tried "opkg update"  and got a * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv7a/base/Packages.gz.  error detail: Couldn't connect to server error can someone help me out? Thanks in advance!
Nov 26 20:00:29 <telexl> Hi.  This channel is very quiet and I just popped in with another enquiry but haven't heard anything.   I'll help if I can.
Nov 26 20:01:08 <telexl> The server is up, so could be your networking configuration is the problem.
Nov 26 20:06:32 <lorans> telexl : are you still there?
Nov 26 20:06:37 <telexl> yes
Nov 26 20:06:48 <lorans> telexl : thank god it is like a ghost town here
Nov 26 20:06:54 <telexl> just looking at a list of kernel bugs on collie
Nov 26 20:07:00 <lorans> telexl : a horror movie waiting to happen
Nov 26 20:07:01 <telexl> It is, isn't it?  Every channel I go to is quiet
Nov 26 20:07:09 <lorans> telexl : a horror movie waiting to happen
Nov 26 20:07:13 <lorans> telexl : :D
Nov 26 20:07:29 <telexl> You can hear the tumbleweed blowing along the deserted streets..
Nov 26 20:07:58 <lorans> telexl : :D or foot steps in the distance.... anyway so how can i get opkg started?
Nov 26 20:08:26 <telexl> Have a look at your network configuration.  Does 'route' show a default route?
Nov 26 20:08:50 <lorans>  route Kernel IP routing table Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface 192.168.1.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
Nov 26 20:09:02 <lorans> imm...
Nov 26 20:09:08 <lorans> as above..
Nov 26 20:09:27 <telexl> "it looks a bit messed up on my irssi, but looks like you don't have a default route.
Nov 26 20:09:30 <telexl> whoops
Nov 26 20:09:55 <telexl> Could you do 'ip route' please?
Nov 26 20:10:13 <lorans> 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.37 
Nov 26 20:10:28 <telexl> As suspected - there isn't a default route.
Nov 26 20:10:46 <telexl> 192.168.1.0 is your main route and there isn't any route to your router.
Nov 26 20:10:57 <telexl> .. or whatever you're using for Internet access.
Nov 26 20:11:01 <lorans> so... how can i create one?
Nov 26 20:11:08 <lorans> i'm currently using the same
Nov 26 20:11:15 <lorans> router by the way
Nov 26 20:11:26 <telexl> I always use 'route add default <IP address of router>' but route is deprecated - still, I am old-fashioned
Nov 26 20:11:52 <lorans> by ip address of router you mean?
Nov 26 20:12:18 <telexl> The address of your router, on your subnet.  Probably 192.168.1.1 for yours.
Nov 26 20:12:26 <telexl> That's just a guess.
Nov 26 20:12:45 <lorans> i got a SIOCADDRT: No such device error
Nov 26 20:12:55 <telexl> Hmmm
Nov 26 20:13:27 <telexl> What exactly did you type?
Nov 26 20:13:47 <lorans> route add default 192.168.1.0
Nov 26 20:13:54 <lorans> and
Nov 26 20:13:57 <lorans> route add default 192.168.1.1
Nov 26 20:14:10 <lorans> both didn't work
Nov 26 20:14:17 <telexl> Oh.  The first one won't work as that's the address of the subnet, but the route add default 192.168.1.1 should.
Nov 26 20:14:35 <lorans> telexl : it didn't :(
Nov 26 20:14:56 <telexl> sorry.. i'm rubbish
Nov 26 20:15:10 <telexl> I don't do this very often
Nov 26 20:15:28 <telexl> Oh!
Nov 26 20:15:31 <telexl> My mistake..
Nov 26 20:15:35 <telexl> route add default gw 192.168.1.1
Nov 26 20:15:40 <telexl> I forgot the 'gw'
Nov 26 20:16:35 <telexl> Also, try 'ping -c 1 192.168.1.1' to see if there's something there.
Nov 26 20:17:03 <telexl> Also, you could try 'ping -c 1 192.168.1.255' and some hosts might respond - might give you a clue as to whether you are using the right IP address for the router.
Nov 26 20:17:27 <lorans> ok trying
Nov 26 20:18:36 <lorans> YAY it worked!!! thanks telexl!!
Nov 26 20:18:39 <telexl> :messes around with Skype
Nov 26 20:18:42 <telexl> whoops..
Nov 26 20:18:43 <telexl> Good!
Nov 26 20:18:51 * telexl messes around with Skype
Nov 26 20:19:09 <telexl> phew.. that's good, I thought everything had gone doolally
Nov 26 20:20:22 <lorans> telexl : ok now tried opkg upgrade got this "addgroup: pulse: group already in use"
Nov 26 20:20:40 <lorans> telexl : Cannot create link over existing -/etc/resolv.conf-.
Nov 26 20:21:00 <telexl> That looks like unnecessary output from opkg - probably can be ignored, unless it looks serious.
Nov 26 20:21:32 <telexl> Your /etc/resolv.conf exists, or it wouldn't be able to find the server.  Silly opkg.
Nov 26 20:21:42 <lorans> telexl : :D thanks man
Nov 26 20:22:00 <telexl> no probs
Nov 26 20:22:58 <lorans> telexl : i am too much used to yum :D
Nov 26 20:23:18 <telexl> ah
Nov 26 20:23:33 <telexl> Is yum a graphical frontend to rpm, or is it a totally new thing?
Nov 26 20:24:11 <telexl> Just wondering, as I have used Red Hat since 4.2, but not recently.
Nov 26 20:24:41 <lorans> telexl : no
Nov 26 20:24:59 <lorans> telexl : it is not graphical tough a graphical version does exist
Nov 26 20:25:16 * telexl nods.
Nov 26 20:25:29 <lorans> telexl : it very much has the same funtionality as opkg
Nov 26 20:25:43 <lorans> telexl : how ever it is much more :D
Nov 26 20:25:56 <telexl> deary me, I really need to wake up a bit - I remembered, when you said that, about yum being a commandline utility.
Nov 26 20:26:38 <telexl> I used that graphical thing.  can't remember what it was called.  i've 'gone over to the other side' and use Debian-based dists now.
Nov 26 20:28:16 <lorans> telexl : i just couldn't get used to debian don't know why... when ever i sit infront of a debian computer i feel like i'm in someone else's kitchen... can't find the sugar... have to guess some...
Nov 26 20:28:33 * telexl grins.
Nov 26 20:29:31 <telexl> I know what that's like.  Seems now that every few months, I do something like that - do a reinstall, get a new system.  I think I can pretty much suss anything out now, having struggled with OpenVMS.. gah
Nov 26 20:29:49 <telexl> putting the kettle on
Nov 26 20:31:48 <telexl> brrrrrrr, it's cold tonight
Nov 26 20:32:28 <lorans> telexl : here too... dang... 0 degrees out
Nov 26 20:32:44 <telexl> ouch.. frosty
Nov 26 20:32:58 <mzeltner> G'day
Nov 26 20:33:05 <telexl> howdy
Nov 26 20:33:27 <mzeltner> For some reason angstrom-task-gnome plus all the gnome dependencies don't show up in my opkg list
Nov 26 20:34:22 <mzeltner> Any possible pointers? The feeds seem to work ok
Nov 26 20:34:37 <telexl> i'm totally rusty at opkg use - perhaps lorans can answer that?
Nov 26 20:35:20 <lorans> mzeltner : sorry I really don't know it that good in fact this is my first day on Angstrom :D
Nov 26 20:35:32 <mzeltner> Same here
Nov 26 20:35:34 <lorans> telexl : thanks for the vote of confidence tough :D
Nov 26 20:35:43 <telexl> lorans: sorry to drop that on you!
Nov 26 20:35:55 <telexl> mzeltner: hang on a sec, i'll boot my ipaq
Nov 26 20:36:58 <mzeltner> As far as I understand it's part of the no-arch/all package list
Nov 26 20:37:20 <mzeltner> Nevermind
Nov 26 20:37:22 <mzeltner> I'm an idiot :)
Nov 26 20:37:27 <mzeltner> It's unstable
Nov 26 20:37:29 <mzeltner> I'm on stable
Nov 26 20:37:34 <telexl> that'll be cos' it's a metapackage
Nov 26 20:37:37 <mzeltner> Time to switch, had some weird problems with this anyway
Nov 26 20:38:17 <telexl> mzeltner: no, you're not an idiot - it's opkg's problem!
Nov 26 20:38:43 <telexl> my ipaq is booted now
Nov 26 20:39:58 <telexl> it's taking ages because of the on-screen keyboard.  I am shivering and my fingers are jittery
Nov 26 20:41:49 <mzeltner> Don't worry I'm already attempting to update to unstable
Nov 26 20:42:10 <telexl> It's up now, and networking is up, so I can login and try your opkg command.
Nov 26 20:42:29 <telexl> Shed.. no, the WEP's not..
Nov 26 20:43:06 <telexl> This is weird: when I plugged it back into the cradle, it suspended itself.
Nov 26 20:43:39 <lorans> telexl : when you have time do tell me what a ipaq is
Nov 26 20:44:03 <telexl> It's a handheld device/PDA.
Nov 26 20:44:10 <lorans> telexl : and why did you install angstrom on it?
Nov 26 20:44:49 <telexl> lorans : I can't stop messing with things, and I hate WinCE
Nov 26 20:45:15 <lorans> telexl : :D 
Nov 26 20:46:25 <telexl> aghh.. the wireless config is totally messed up now.
Nov 26 20:47:00 <telexl> mzeltner: don't worry, I'll get there eventually.  I have a serial cable here but I still need the wi-fi to be up, so it can get online.
Nov 26 20:47:28 <mzeltner> I updated my opkg feeds and started upgrading to unstable
Nov 26 20:47:31 <mzeltner> Hope this will work
Nov 26 20:48:22 <telexl> mzeltner: sounds like that'll fix any problems you had with opkg, by totally rebuilding the system.
Nov 26 20:50:10 <telexl> yay!  i've logged in!
Nov 26 20:50:40 <telexl> .. and.. rats.. it's ipkg on here, not opkg...
Nov 26 20:50:45 <telexl> my system is too old
Nov 26 20:56:05 <telexl> I really like Angstrom, but it's a bit rough around the edges.  That's to be expected, since it supports so many devices.
Nov 26 20:56:24 <lorans> telexl : i installed pycrypto to my system (need it for a project) using opkg but now i can't find it locate doesn't seem to work any ideas?
Nov 26 20:56:41 <telexl> lorans : hang on a mo
Nov 26 20:56:52 <lorans> telexl : ok
Nov 26 20:57:44 * mzeltner is using it on beagleboard
Nov 26 20:58:34 <telexl> booting my newer system now.
Nov 26 21:01:31 <telexl> Good, now I have usable system with opkg.
Nov 26 21:02:58 <telexl> mzeltner: I only just read your message about you being on stable.  got a bit of a brain lag, i have
Nov 26 21:03:35 <lorans> telexl : found it... it seems angstrom hasn't updated it's pycrypto packet to python2.6
Nov 26 21:03:37 <lorans> :(
Nov 26 21:03:55 <lorans> i'm getting less and less impressed with Angstrom
Nov 26 21:04:14 <telexl> lorans : it can be a bit.. er.. 'trying'
Nov 26 21:04:50 <lorans> telexl : i'm trying to get my program running. but i used lots of libraries... and now i'm paying for it :(
Nov 26 21:05:20 <telexl> lorans : hehe.. i've got the same thing on mine.
Nov 26 21:05:44 <telexl> lorans : dependencies introduce packages which load up more packages, and before you know it, 1GB+ has been used
Nov 26 21:05:46 <lorans> telexl : and beagle board is just so slow
Nov 26 21:05:57 <lorans> telexl : exactly!
Nov 26 21:06:19 <telexl> lorans : I was going to buy one.  do you think I should?  I keep seeing messages about folks who have run into hardware bugs.
Nov 26 21:07:06 <lorans> telexl : well for me so far so good... i needed something that will connect to the internet and was able to carry linux load
Nov 26 21:07:31 <lorans> telexl : it seems beagle board is the one ... i mean it is waaaay cheaper than other boards i saw on the way
Nov 26 21:08:09 <telexl> lorans : I noticed that the Pandora handheld has exactly the same hardware as the beagleboard - i think..
Nov 26 21:08:47 <telexl> lorans : I just want a portable system that can run E-UAE.  For ever now, i've wanted a totally portable, usable Amiga system.
Nov 26 21:08:59 <lorans> telexl : wow i just checked Pandora it looks neat!
Nov 26 21:09:34 <lorans> telexl : i have always wanted a wrist sized computer and glasses that work like a screen :D
Nov 26 21:09:47 * telexl sighs.
Nov 26 21:10:00 <telexl> telexl : yes, what happened to that immersive virtual reality thing?
Nov 26 21:10:11 <telexl> telexl : no, I am telexl
Nov 26 21:10:36 <telexl> lorans : that first comment was to you ^   i am making mistakes again
Nov 26 21:10:57 <lorans> telexl : :D
Nov 26 21:11:03 <telexl> lorans : you can get a wristwatch mobile phone now.
Nov 26 21:11:22 <lorans> telexl : yeah but what want is kind of like ar i think it was called
Nov 26 21:11:39 <telexl> lorans : Augmented Reality..
Nov 26 21:12:07 <telexl> lorans : something that adds to your reality experience?  tells you where you are, what is going on and gives you unlimited access to information?
Nov 26 21:12:10 <lorans> telexl L exactly
Nov 26 21:12:17 <lorans> telexl : exactly
Nov 26 21:12:30 <lorans> telexl : now that is what i want
Nov 26 21:12:36 <telexl> lorans : I forgot visual recognition.  I want something that tells me 'Lex, you went to school with that bloke'.
Nov 26 21:12:52 * telexl grins.
Nov 26 21:12:56 <lorans> telexl : :D
Nov 26 21:13:24 <telexl> lorans : you can see how long it took me to boot my hx4700 - it'll take a bit longer for me to sort out a usable AR system.
Nov 26 21:13:34 <lorans> telexl : :D
Nov 26 21:13:57 <lorans> telexl : i'm still installing my program to beagleboard
Nov 26 21:14:16 <lorans> telexl : i wrote 60000 lines of code
Nov 26 21:14:26 <lorans> telexl : all in python
Nov 26 21:14:39 <lorans> telexl : it was great
Nov 26 21:14:43 <telexl> lorans : wow.. you have my respect
Nov 26 21:15:14 <lorans> telexl : thanks but that is what happens when you have lots of time on your hands :D
Nov 26 21:15:33 <telexl> lorans : you too, eh?
Nov 26 21:15:42 <lorans> telexl : yup :D
Nov 26 21:16:39 <lorans> telexl : took me two year
Nov 26 21:16:40 <lorans> :D
Nov 26 21:17:19 <telexl> lorans : my guess is that you are young (i.e. < 30) and/or you drink a lot of coffee.
Nov 26 21:17:43 <telexl> coffee!  forgot...
Nov 26 21:17:56 <lorans> telexl : I even have a coffee song ! :D
Nov 26 21:18:33 <telexl> lorans : my coffee is just instant.  too lazy to make real coffee, me
Nov 26 21:19:10 <lorans> telexl : coffee is great! great! great!
Nov 26 21:19:22 * telexl laughs.
Nov 26 21:20:46 <telexl> lorans : i've got to get my percolator back out of its box.
Nov 26 21:21:30 <telexl> lorans : i never got the hang of it.  i'd either get blistering, scalding and extremely strong coffee, or watery, lukewarm coffee.
Nov 26 21:21:31 <lorans> telexl : nice
Nov 26 21:22:17 <lorans> telexl : strong coffee is good coffee. The coffee has to stick to the ribs... and when you pour it in your cup you should watch it ooze 
Nov 26 21:22:35 <lorans> or else the coffee is no good :D
Nov 26 21:23:03 <telexl> lorans : oh. that happened once, and I thought I'd used too little water, or too many coffee grounds.
Nov 26 21:23:20 <telexl> lorans : i'm British, I should mention, and not used to coffee - more used to tea than coffee.
Nov 26 21:24:45 <lorans> telexl : what kind do you like? breakfest ? earl grey? ceylon? black sea?
Nov 26 21:25:24 <lorans> telexl : i once was a tea drinker... in high school... 
Nov 26 21:25:55 <telexl> lorans : my tea is basic tea: brown, steaming, strong.
Nov 26 21:26:14 <telexl> lorans : it has to be a certain brand: Miles.
Nov 26 21:26:25 <telexl> lorans : I do quite like earl grey, occasionally.
Nov 26 21:27:07 <lorans> telexl : yeah it does have a nice taste.
Nov 26 21:27:32 <mzeltner> Configuring!
Nov 26 21:27:34 <mzeltner> <3
Nov 26 21:27:58 <telexl> boogie
Nov 26 21:29:00 <telexl> lorans : that's the bergamot.
Nov 26 21:29:44 <lorans> telexl : yeah i know... i like it's taste...
Nov 26 21:30:03 <telexl> i can't remember what it is now.. is it a shrubbery or a fruit?
Nov 26 21:30:30 <telexl> (wonders if he's going to get a slapping for going so off-topic)
Nov 26 21:34:33 <telexl> that's odd: on my hx4700, I am trying to login over serial, having just rebooted.  I got the login prompt okay, but anything I type looks like garbage.  I typed 'root' and all I got was '<rubbish>ow'.
Nov 26 21:35:22 <lorans> telexl : :P nice i got even a weirder response from my end. all characters just turned to japanese on my server :D :D :D :D 
Nov 26 21:36:34 <telexl> lorans : i'll try unplugging it from its cradle
Nov 26 21:37:16 <telexl> lorans : I may as well be back in the 80s, trying to get my 300 baud modem to work..
Nov 26 21:38:14 <lorans> lorans : baud modem... now that is a term i haven't heard for a long long time
Nov 26 21:38:15 <lorans> :D
Nov 26 21:40:35 <telexl> telexl : i built my own modem - added autodial, tone recognition - it looked like a big blue metal box with bright red LEDs.
Nov 26 21:40:52 <telexl> telexl : i keep talking to myself
Nov 26 21:41:05 <telexl> lorans : that was in the 80s
Nov 26 21:41:39 <telexl> lorans : unfortunately, my mother didn't take too kindly to me patching my modem into the phone lines.
Nov 26 21:42:06 <lorans> telexl : dang... can you help me got stuck again?
Nov 26 21:42:11 <lorans> telexl : ping www.google.com PING www.google.com (209.85.135.105): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: Network is unreachable
Nov 26 21:42:24 <lorans> telexl : i can't ping google now
Nov 26 21:42:27 <lorans> why?
Nov 26 21:42:33 <telexl> lorans : oh.. hmm.. default route been removed?
Nov 26 21:42:42 <lorans> telexl : ?
Nov 26 21:42:49 <telexl> lorans : or ethernet gone down
Nov 26 21:43:02 <lorans> telexl : ethernet is working since i'm using ssh still
Nov 26 21:43:15 <lorans> telexl : how can i reconfigure it?
Nov 26 21:43:29 <telexl> lorans : oh.  try 'ip route' please - does it say 'default <blah> via <blah>'?
Nov 26 21:43:56 <telexl> lorans : correction: it should say 'default via <IP address> dev <device>'
Nov 26 21:44:01 <lorans> telexl : 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.37
Nov 26 21:44:58 <lorans> telexl : it moved
Nov 26 21:45:02 <telexl> lorans : 192.168.1.0/24 is your subnet.  192.168.1.37 is the IP address of your computer, but since no 'default' line was output, looks like it's forgotten its default route.  Is something else running - dhcpcd or pump or avahi?
Nov 26 21:45:03 <lorans> telexl : but how?
Nov 26 21:45:19 <lorans> telexl : don't know
Nov 26 21:45:23 <lorans> lemme check
Nov 26 21:45:42 <telexl> lorans : if some automatic network configuration daemon is running, it'll occasionally wake up, reset your network interface to what it thinks is correct, and sleep again.
Nov 26 21:46:18 <lorans> telexl : how can i check which services are running?
Nov 26 21:46:28 <telexl> lorans : avahi-daemon is probably running..
Nov 26 21:46:37 <telexl> lorans : well, I do 'ps -eo pid,user,comm | less'.
Nov 26 21:46:53 <telexl> lorans : but there are easier ways to check, if you have a graphical environment.
Nov 26 21:47:35 <telexl> lorans : just now, I did 'ps -eo pid,user,comm | grep avahi | less'
Nov 26 21:47:44 <lorans> telexl : there are 5 httpd ' running now
Nov 26 21:48:16 <telexl> lorans : that's okay as httpd spawns 4 extra servers when it starts, depending on its configuration.
Nov 26 21:48:40 <lorans> telexl : and avahi is running damn... "service" command doesn't work how do i close a service i forgot
Nov 26 21:48:58 <telexl> lorans : service <service> stop?
Nov 26 21:49:08 <lorans> telexl : no cigar
Nov 26 21:49:20 <telexl> lorans : I don't have 'service' on mine.  I always do /etc/init.d/<service> stop
Nov 26 21:49:23 <lorans> telexl : service command doesnt exist in angstrom
Nov 26 21:49:42 <lorans> telexl : that is what i was looking for thanks
Nov 26 21:49:51 <lorans> telexl : thank you telexl !
Nov 26 21:49:54 <telexl> lorans : each distro seems to have a different method
Nov 26 21:50:11 <telexl> lorans : you're welcome.  did it stop something? (vague question)
Nov 26 21:50:50 <telexl> lorans : I'm not a fan of these automatic IP configuration daemons.  sure, if they work okay, but mostly, they don't.
Nov 26 21:51:09 <lorans> telexl : exactly....
Nov 26 21:51:20 <lorans> telexl : i turned off apache2 and avahi
Nov 26 21:52:01 <telexl> lorans : avahi.. sigh..
Nov 26 21:53:24 <telexl> lorans : its configuration files are in /etc/avahi.  It's quite configurable and you can disable the auto config action.  having said that, all /I/ ever do is just stop it, if I see it running.
Nov 26 21:54:06 <lorans> telexl : thanks... umm... i gotto go... it's kind of late here and i haven't slept for a while
Nov 26 21:54:27 <lorans> telexl : was nice talking to you and lots and lots and lots of thanks for your help
Nov 26 21:54:40 <telexl> lorans : cheers!  glad i could be of help.
Nov 26 21:54:50 <telexl> lorans : it's 21:54 here now.. 'night!
Nov 26 22:16:09 <telexl> @quit
Nov 26 22:16:13 <telexl> Nah!
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