**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 02:59:57 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 12:30:01 2010 Oct 18 15:00:20 I am currently working on implementing Linux on a ARM7 based custom HW board, and I am evaluating which distro I should use. For someone like me who dont know anything about Ångstöm, why should I chose it over, let say, Ubuntu ARM? Oct 18 15:01:33 ARMv7 != ARM7 Oct 18 15:01:56 there's no ubuntu for ARMv7 I think Oct 18 15:02:00 err ARM7 Oct 18 15:02:06 Sorry. ARMv7 to be precise Oct 18 15:02:36 More commonly known as Cortex-A8 ;) Oct 18 15:03:17 15:58:29 < _koen_> with angstrom you'll get NEON, SGX and dsp support Oct 18 15:03:20 15:58:50 < _koen_> with recent ubuntu you'll only get sgx Oct 18 15:03:59 ..repeating question I see... Oct 18 15:04:13 yes, but on different channel Oct 18 15:04:19 #beagle Oct 18 15:04:35 In my HW NEON and SGX are relevant Oct 18 15:04:59 how much RAM do you have? it does matter also Oct 18 15:05:53 and main reason is native compilation vs cross compilation Oct 18 15:06:16 if you hit some bug or you'll need to fix something, you'll need to compile on your device with ubuntu :) Oct 18 15:06:37 and if you hit the bug in some beast like Xorg, good luck :D Oct 18 15:06:58 with angstrom it's quite easier with some decent build host Oct 18 15:07:43 256Mb ram. No X11, planning on running Qt/e against fb and/or SGX Oct 18 15:08:12 I have some experience running Ubuntu, and the native compile thing is a build challenge Oct 18 15:08:23 Building Qt on target takes *ages* Oct 18 15:08:30 really? :p Oct 18 15:09:39 In fact I am cross compiling Qt and the Qt app with the CSL compiler and running it on taget. But this only works as long as the libc/libstdc in CSL corresponds with the ones in Ubuntu... Oct 18 15:10:11 oh great, but you've said product, right? Oct 18 15:10:47 ? Uhm. This is going to be a commercial product, yes Oct 18 15:10:48 so you'll need packages, conform to licenses (aka provide sources for GPL), SDK for customers... Oct 18 15:10:56 Yes Oct 18 15:11:27 so do you a favor and learn OE/Angstrom :) Oct 18 15:13:17 I have good experience with the [x86] Ubuntu upgrade system (well technically not Ubuntu but Debian). We want something similar for our target. Can Ångström provide something similar? Oct 18 15:14:01 Because having a good way of supporting the product after it has arrived to the customer is very important to us Oct 18 15:14:39 Hence a packaging system is a must Oct 18 15:15:16 yes there's opkg/apt Oct 18 15:15:35 Whats opkg in relationship to debs? Oct 18 15:15:57 sorry, I'm not a customer support guy on #angstrom Oct 18 15:16:00 :) Oct 18 15:16:14 :D I didn't mean it like that Oct 18 15:16:20 give you few pointers, you can find info yourself :) Oct 18 15:16:34 just learn here http://www.pokylinux.org/doc/poky-handbook.html Oct 18 15:16:46 :( www.angstrom-distribution.org is SLOOOW right now Oct 18 15:16:59 it's not angstrom, but the basic building blocks are the same, OpenEmbedded Oct 18 15:17:58 Well actually what got me here into this channel is because I dont understand the relationship between OE and Å... Oct 18 15:19:13 http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/Main_Page Oct 18 15:19:26 Welcome to OpenEmbedded, the build framework for embedded Linux. Oct 18 15:19:41 ;) Oct 18 15:19:55 angstrom is distribution using this build framework Oct 18 15:20:28 or based on, who knows Oct 18 15:20:36 Ah. So OE compiles (and creates images), while Ångstrøm provides the distro (including distribution system) Oct 18 15:21:03 sorry, gotta go Oct 18 15:21:13 well. thanks a lot **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 19 02:59:57 2010