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Mar 29 16:07:59 <issa> hello
Mar 29 16:08:01 <issa> :)
Mar 29 16:08:04 <issa> how are u here
Mar 29 16:08:31 <issa> it's possible to try u linux distribution on vmware please ?
Mar 29 16:15:16 <issa> hi
Mar 29 16:15:21 <issa> someone here
Mar 29 16:19:16 <CcSsNET> hi
Mar 29 16:19:51 <CcSsNET> this is a source oriented distro. in order to try it on a vmware you will need to have experience with many aspects of building
Mar 29 16:21:37 <issa> CcSsNET, but we have a iso generator ?
Mar 29 16:21:51 <issa> why can use it to create my own image ?
Mar 29 16:26:42 <CcSsNET> you can try
Mar 29 16:27:29 <CcSsNET> im still fairly new to angstrom/open embedded, but i am building it from source by hand. i have yet to get it working as desired though, id say im 75% figured it out
Mar 29 16:27:50 <CcSsNET> and the website builder rarely works for me. good luck
Mar 29 16:28:04 <CcSsNET> also it takes a long time
Mar 29 16:28:07 <issa> u don't have x86 build :/
Mar 29 16:28:31 <CcSsNET> me? no
Mar 29 16:28:42 <CcSsNET> ive been building for pxa255 arm cpu
Mar 29 16:29:05 <CcSsNET> you might be interested in ttylinux
Mar 29 16:29:10 <CcSsNET> ttylinux.net
Mar 29 16:29:40 <issa> no int the online build
Mar 29 16:29:48 <issa> we can build a x86 hardware
Mar 29 16:29:51 <issa> can't
Mar 29 16:29:56 <CcSsNET> o
Mar 29 16:30:12 <CcSsNET> then look at the developer page and get to work :)
Mar 29 16:30:20 <CcSsNET> or check out ttylinux.net
Mar 29 16:32:15 <issa> well in fact i want bought an archos 101
Mar 29 16:32:20 <issa> and i want use it with linux
Mar 29 16:32:40 <issa> and i have seen on the archos website, we can use angstrom linux
Mar 29 16:32:46 <CcSsNET> o cool
Mar 29 16:32:49 <issa> for using enlightenment
Mar 29 16:32:58 <issa> but i think is for advanced user
Mar 29 16:32:59 <issa> :/
Mar 29 16:33:09 <CcSsNET> yea advanced for sure
Mar 29 16:33:24 <CcSsNET> i know quite a lot, and still fight with this distro to work
Mar 29 16:35:56 <issa> well i think it's not for me for the moment !
Mar 29 16:36:06 <issa> well thanks CcSsNET maybe see  u later
Mar 29 17:03:47 <Andre_H> CcSsNET: to bad he's gone, it's possible to build angstrom for qemux86 with the online builder and then turn them into vmware images...
Mar 29 17:04:12 <Andre_H> but at least for me Narcissus don't like that option very much
Mar 29 17:06:53 <Andre_H> ooops, just tried again and it seems to work today!!! omg
Mar 29 17:07:18 <Andre_H> issa would most likely be happy for that informations, but users tend to quit IRC quite early :)
Mar 29 17:08:09 <CcSsNET> ya
Mar 29 17:08:28 <CcSsNET> so narcissus working is a good thing. probably not many people using right now
Mar 29 17:09:32 <Andre_H> angstrom forces it for people which don't want to build from source by not providing ready made images
Mar 29 17:09:55 <CcSsNET> true
Mar 29 17:10:04 <CcSsNET> they must figure this saves disk space
Mar 29 17:10:09 <CcSsNET> but it also wastes electricity
Mar 29 17:10:10 <Andre_H> i don't like building from source as  i would first need to grep the source and i have low bandwidth here, so an image is much easier
Mar 29 17:10:19 <CcSsNET> so i wonder if buying a large disk would be easier
Mar 29 17:10:41 <Andre_H> it's a cool new way of getting images, so i like it as long as it works
Mar 29 17:11:07 <Andre_H> also you move the package installation process to a webinterface before having the distro, that's pretty cool
Mar 29 17:11:26 <CcSsNET> well it could still be used for premade images also, just a method of selecting which one. if they decided to get a large disk
Mar 29 17:11:58 <CcSsNET> but it dont make sense, i think the code is forever worked on
Mar 29 17:12:07 <CcSsNET> so this defeats the outdated issue
Mar 29 17:16:58 <Andre_H> but i am missing more documentation to narcissus, e.g. i just downloaded a very small qemu image (i thought) untared it and get
Mar 29 17:16:58 <Andre_H> bin  boot  dev  etc  home  lib  media  mnt  proc  sbin  sys  tmp  usr  var
Mar 29 17:16:58 <Andre_H> which i didn't expect, i expected a qemu disk...
Mar 29 17:17:50 <Andre_H> now i need to search the web for a way to turn this into a qemu disk
Mar 29 17:26:04 <CcSsNET> step one
Mar 29 17:26:32 <CcSsNET> create a virtual disk of desired size
Mar 29 17:26:50 <CcSsNET> step 2, boot an iso with a method of file transfer installed
Mar 29 17:27:05 <CcSsNET> i suggest ttylinux due to having dropbear aka minimal ssh
Mar 29 17:27:32 <CcSsNET> step 3 transfer that file to the virtual machine that has ttylinux booted
Mar 29 17:27:48 <CcSsNET> step 4 mount and format the virtual disk u created in step 1
Mar 29 17:28:09 <CcSsNET> step 5 extract that file containing: bin  boot  dev  etc  home  lib  media  mnt  proc  sbin  sys  tmp  usr  var
Mar 29 17:28:16 <CcSsNET> to the mounted virtual disk
Mar 29 17:28:35 <CcSsNET> step 6, research how to get /dev to work 
Mar 29 17:28:43 <CcSsNET> i know how, im just holding out.
Mar 29 17:28:57 <CcSsNET> step 7, install bootloader
Mar 29 17:29:06 <CcSsNET> and kernel ^
Mar 29 17:30:26 <Andre_H> i'll first try it with vmware workstation, but if that fails your way might work
Mar 29 17:31:04 <CcSsNET> lol
Mar 29 17:31:05 <CcSsNET> ok
Mar 29 17:35:59 <CcSsNET> step 8, configure files in /etc
Mar 29 17:37:21 <Andre_H> what fs do you preferr for angstrom? ext2?
Mar 29 17:38:14 <CcSsNET> ya
Mar 29 17:38:15 <Andre_H> btw: i'm running parted magic right now, so no need for ttylinux atm (even if it's cool)
Mar 29 17:38:58 <CcSsNET> i suggest parted magic also :)
Mar 29 17:39:07 <CcSsNET> atccss.net
Mar 29 17:39:15 <CcSsNET> i got a public mirror up
Mar 29 17:39:35 <CcSsNET> ubcd now has parted magic on it
Mar 29 17:39:43 <CcSsNET> so thats 1 less cd in my kit
Mar 29 17:41:10 <Andre_H> aah, steam on linux :) at this point i should note i'm a wine developer...
Mar 29 17:41:59 <Andre_H> uuuh pmagic 5.10... i'm running 3.7 here ;D
Mar 29 17:42:11 <CcSsNET> nice
Mar 29 17:42:18 <CcSsNET> 4.4 was a good version
Mar 29 17:42:23 <Andre_H> why?
Mar 29 17:42:32 <Andre_H> did it add ext4?
Mar 29 17:42:36 <CcSsNET> just the version i liked
Mar 29 17:42:41 <CcSsNET> i dont use it
Mar 29 17:42:56 <CcSsNET> i use ext3 or reiserfs
Mar 29 17:43:08 <CcSsNET> ext2 on flashes
Mar 29 17:43:14 <Andre_H> me neither, but good to have a tools cd for it, just in case
Mar 29 17:43:15 <CcSsNET> or a custom reiserfs config
Mar 29 17:43:48 <Andre_H> mmh angstrom not running here, maybe that /dev problem?
Mar 29 17:43:49 <CcSsNET> Andre_H, you got a website or blog?
Mar 29 17:43:59 <CcSsNET> yea
Mar 29 17:44:06 <Andre_H> a bad bad outdated website at dawncrow.de
Mar 29 17:45:00 <Andre_H> but don't blame me for it or access me
Mar 29 17:45:10 <Andre_H> (misjudge)
Mar 29 17:45:46 <CcSsNET> cool site
Mar 29 17:45:48 <CcSsNET> :)
Mar 29 17:45:54 <CcSsNET> i play nexuiz also
Mar 29 17:45:57 <CcSsNET> and well all those games
Mar 29 17:46:08 * Andre_H just visiting his own page to see what it's about
Mar 29 17:47:36 <Andre_H> if i have time i most likely only play Urban Terror
Mar 29 17:47:56 * Andre_H researching for /dev angstrom
Mar 29 17:48:38 <Andre_H> findig much about development...
Mar 29 17:54:04 <CcSsNET> well what you really need to research is why it simply wont boot as is. not specificly angstrom related
Mar 29 17:54:21 <CcSsNET> theres certain devices that require creation for a system to boot
Mar 29 17:54:27 <CcSsNET> theyll be made in /dev
Mar 29 17:54:32 <Andre_H> hint?
Mar 29 17:54:51 <CcSsNET> thats a decent hint
Mar 29 17:56:03 <Andre_H> mmh remembers me on syslinux
Mar 29 17:57:15 <CcSsNET> sorta related
Mar 29 17:57:49 <CcSsNET>  /dev will be an issue regardless of boot loader
Mar 29 17:58:15 <CcSsNET> hell the devices might already be there ;)
Mar 29 17:58:20 <CcSsNET> have you  tried booting it
Mar 29 17:58:38 <CcSsNET> or did u do the bootloader and kernel setup?
Mar 29 17:59:34 <Andre_H> i stupidly just throwed the file into the images and clicked "boot"
Mar 29 17:59:36 <Andre_H> :)
Mar 29 17:59:57 <Andre_H> so excuse me, i dont do that very often
Mar 29 18:00:08 <CcSsNET> ok
Mar 29 18:00:24 <CcSsNET> yes have to for example
Mar 29 18:00:50 <CcSsNET> tar -jxf some.tar.bz2 -C /mnt/target
Mar 29 18:00:50 <Andre_H> so now i try to get syslinux on it
Mar 29 18:01:22 <CcSsNET> step 5 ^ above
Mar 29 18:04:30 <supjigator> Hi.
Mar 29 18:04:51 <supjigator> Anyone have pointers on getting DVI port working on am3517 evm board 
Mar 29 18:07:42 <CcSsNET> idk mine just works
Mar 29 18:07:50 <CcSsNET> not same board
Mar 29 18:11:00 <supjigator> Mind pastebin your bootargs?  I've tried eveything I can find via google.
Mar 29 18:12:16 <supjigator> omap_vout omap_vout: probed for an unknown device  is currently only thing thats really output.
Mar 29 18:12:30 <CcSsNET> i should specify its a ati hd4670 in a pci-e slot, with a xorg config file
Mar 29 18:13:14 <Andre_H> hanging in step6 again
Mar 29 18:13:45 <CcSsNET> i will assume angstrom does step 6 for us
Mar 29 18:13:49 <CcSsNET> so skip it and hope so
Mar 29 18:14:02 <CcSsNET> but normally is an issue
Mar 29 18:14:29 <CcSsNET> especially when making system backups ^
Mar 29 18:14:44 <CcSsNET> since u cant backup /dev
Mar 29 18:16:40 <Andre_H> ok. now i have a chroot to angstrom sh and i wonder how to do the bootloader stuff as "grub" seems not available...
Mar 29 18:17:10 <Andre_H> neither lilo
Mar 29 18:17:54 <CcSsNET> bootloader will be device specific
Mar 29 18:18:14 <CcSsNET> ipaqs and other windows mobile devices can use haret.exe
Mar 29 18:18:19 <CcSsNET> palm has something else
Mar 29 18:18:24 <CcSsNET> others have other options.
Mar 29 18:18:40 <CcSsNET> routers use u-boot, modern tablets use u-boot
Mar 29 18:20:16 <Andre_H> palm uses garux iirc, but now i try using qemu with a vmdk which should work
Mar 29 18:31:01 <Andre_H> i'm near to give up
Mar 29 18:32:19 <CcSsNET> :-/
Mar 29 18:32:22 <CcSsNET> its qemu though
Mar 29 18:32:41 <Andre_H> and vmware...
Mar 29 18:33:58 <CcSsNET> http://boards.openpandora.org/index.php?/topic/2385-any-way-to-get-an-iso-of-the-angstrom-version-that-the-op-runs/
Mar 29 18:34:28 <CcSsNET> this device being talked about is not important. the question and first response is very relivant to your current goal and outcome
Mar 29 18:35:06 <CcSsNET> but luckily angstrom can be compiled for many environments
Mar 29 18:37:11 <CcSsNET> last post in that forum is qemu related also
Mar 29 18:39:07 <Andre_H> thx, but the last one would be a arm image and the first response doesnt apply to me i feel
Mar 29 18:39:07 <Andre_H> but in some weeks i will have time to set up angstrom on a real device and then i will use the arm version...
Mar 29 18:40:54 <CcSsNET> cool
Mar 29 20:09:15 <Andre_H> CcSsNET: btw: by asking me for a blog you might wanted something like http://wiki.winehq.org/AndreHentschel i just recognized
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