**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 26 02:59:56 2011 Sep 26 04:20:37 angstrom: 03testlab  07yocto * r4c87c9be17 10testlab/beagleboard/eglibc/systemd-image/ (3 files): beagleboard: systemd-image configured for angstrom v2011.09-core using branch angstrom-staging and revision 0d426b9ee3facde9936a07e3c1e6346143db9943 Sep 26 13:25:31 how to i stop matchbox from loading on startyp? Sep 26 13:25:39 up* Sep 26 13:26:39 sniperjo: MatchBox? hmmm, what Angstrom version are you running? Sep 26 13:28:46 DJWillis: I have no idea, unfortunately its the only distro i can get running on my machine, it came with various patches from the manufacturer Sep 26 13:31:21 And that machine is? ;) - Sounds like an old Angstrom that's all. Sep 26 13:32:24 DJWillis: http://www.technexion.com/index.php/development-kits/thunderpack Sep 26 13:33:10 DJWillis: if you help me get ubuntu on it, i'll build you a shrine Sep 26 13:34:00 sniperjo: that is basically a BeagleBoard clone, well close enough, Ubuntu and Angstrom should be easy enough. Sep 26 13:34:35 DJWillis: i have literally spent a week non stop trying to do it, at the moment I'm doing some bodged chroot thing Sep 26 13:34:46 Nasty :o Sep 26 13:35:48 DJWillis: a few people have said that i would probably be able to use a beagle ubuntu image if i tinkered with it enough, but that wont even get into loading the kernel as the vendor ID don't match Sep 26 13:35:54 DJWillis: yeah… its horrible ! Sep 26 13:36:25 sniperjo: that said, the 128MB of RAM on that board is going to suck for a rich'ish GUI ;). Sep 26 13:37:06 DJWillis: fluxbox ! Sep 26 13:37:18 sniperjo: is the device supported in the upstream Linux-OMAP trees as a device? It may be easier to add explicit support to OE/Angstrom. Sep 26 13:38:59 DJWillis: i don't think so Sep 26 13:41:23 DJWillis: they do have a section on compiling on the manual, but i don't know enough about it to do it Sep 26 13:42:32 sniperjo: why are you using it over a board like the Beagle (just out of interest that's all). I assume it is correctly registered at http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/? Building a new kernel and modules and shoveing that into a recent Angstrom may be enough to get something usable ;-) but it's a pain for sure if you have shitty vendor support. Sep 26 13:43:49 DJWillis: its on that site Sep 26 13:44:34 sniperjo: so you can have a grep around the Linux-OMAP tree and see what upstream kernel support is like ;) Sep 26 13:44:57 DJWillis: I would if i knew what i was looking for, or what anything meant ! Sep 26 13:47:54 sniperjo: Google about for omap3_thunder, turns up a lot of mailing list threads like http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg20629.html that give a bit of info about mainline type support. Assuming it is still working in current kernels it is the sort of system that could be added to Angstrom in not a lot of time (I assume no body has one so that is why there is no support). Sep 26 13:48:34 DJWillis: well I've got a running Angstrom on it now, i just want ubuntu on it ! Sep 26 13:50:27 sniperjo: well what I am getting at is mainline support makes distro level support easy but as this is the Angstrom support chan and as it is only supported by a hack of the distro (by the looks of it) it seems only reasonable to suggest getting it support correctly. Modern OE-Core based Angstrom on OMAP3 is fine and should do anything an ARMv7 Ubuntu would do ;). Sep 26 13:51:41 sniperjo: I expect it would not be hard at all to get Ubuntu going but if your not into building your own kernels and hacking about a little it may be a leap to far. If your after pre-built images and the system is no well supported then your out of luck unless you get your hands dirty. Sep 26 13:52:24 DJWillis: i guess that sort of thing is impossible to do without having a board in front of you ? Sep 26 13:53:08 sniperjo: nope, done it without boards for a few setups over the years (OpenPandora, cough ;)) but it is a pain to do and a fair bit of work. Sep 26 13:53:39 DJWillis: how much work we talking ? Sep 26 13:55:38 sniperjo: well without a board you need willing testers, a few hours to do hacks etc. and a known good kernel config to start from (Beagle config with hacks to change machine would be my starting point I guess). Sep 26 13:56:53 a known good kernel ? like the prebuilt one they supply with the board? Sep 26 13:59:02 sniperjo: well it's source and config file ;). How old is it by the way (and ideally where is the GIT tree). Sep 26 14:01:07 DJWillis: well there last build i guess, )according to filename) was 27/05/11 Sep 26 14:03:15 sniperjo: and a uname -a? Sep 26 14:03:28 Linux taodemo 2.6.32 #1 Wed May 25 17:37:57 CST 2011 armv7l unknown Sep 26 14:04:00 So old'ish, old enough to be a bit gah!, damm. Sep 26 14:05:09 oh :( Sep 26 14:07:43 DJWillis: so even harder then.. ? Sep 26 14:13:02 sniperjo: well enough of a pain but not impossable, just a shame the vendor seems to have given up supporting it upstream. Sep 26 14:14:41 DJWillis: if you had to put a guess at how much work it would be ? Sep 26 14:15:24 sniperjo: well assuming that it was not that hard to get support into a recent'ish kernel a few days work at a guess (with a board) to get something basic going. Sep 26 14:15:34 And on that note they vanish, joy.... Sep 26 14:15:50 sniperjo: well assuming that it was not that hard to get support into a recent'ish kernel a few days work at a guess (with a board) to get something basic going. Sep 26 14:16:40 DJWillis: whoops wrong button, ah ok, so you would need a board to do it then Sep 26 14:17:04 !logs Sep 26 14:17:27 Few days with board, a fair bit more without and someone with a board who is well aware of how to boot the OMAP off SD etc. etc. Sep 26 14:20:24 DJWillis: hmmm ok Sep 26 14:22:42 sniperjo: None of it is hard (well ok, the basics are not hard, some bits may really screw you over), your just uplifting a board for a vendor who does not do it so unless you want to use loads of them or have some reason for using that board maybe a better supported board based on OMAP3 is the way to go? A lot of people could do the work but it's not really much fun without the board ;). Sep 26 14:23:30 DJWillis: or some sort of finical gain.... Sep 26 14:24:09 sniperjo: well there are OMAP guys out there that freelance. I assume your tied to this board then? Sep 26 14:24:37 DJWillis: at this moment in time, yes Sep 26 14:25:35 So use the vendor demo, ask them to get it supported in recent Angstrom (by doing that with a recent kernel moving to Ubuntu would be easy) etc. etc. Sep 26 14:26:29 DJWillis: is there anyway i can easily move it up in angstrom and then move across? Sep 26 14:27:18 sniperjo: ask the vendor for all the machine 'recipes' and we can have a look and see if it would be easy, with that as a starting point you would get an idea of the complexity (may not be hard at all). Sep 26 14:29:18 DJWillis: http://pastebin.com/9zQjfnsN is the link to the section on compiling, not very easy to read on paste bin ! Sep 26 14:30:07 DJWillis: If that is the sort of starting point you are talking about, then i can five you a link to the pdf Sep 26 14:30:39 sniperjo: I was hoping for a little more, that is how to buuild the kernel (not a hard thing to do). Sep 26 14:34:15 DJWillis: ah, well that is the extent of it on the doc that I'm looking at Sep 26 14:49:00 sniperjo: if they ship Angstrom as a demo image it is not unreasonable to ask them for the 'meta data' or 'recipes' for the image. That would help a lot ;) Sep 26 15:09:26 DJWillis: ok! Sep 26 15:09:43 sniperjo: ask the question, that would help a lot. Sep 26 16:00:40 is libc-client available for angstrom? I can't find it on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ I need the armv7a version Sep 26 17:05:41 is angstrom available for arm 926EJ-s RK28board ( Archos 7c home tablet with android 2.2) Sep 27 01:27:58 angstrom: 03testlab  07yocto * r3d733438d4 10testlab/beagleboard/eglibc/systemd-image/build-id: beagleboard: systemd-image configured for angstrom v2011.09-core using branch angstrom-staging and revision a02f31017a441ca6dca370a83d1402cb90a7b72a **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 27 02:59:57 2011