**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 03 03:00:01 2012
May 03 06:40:47 <sspiff> mapleman: as far as I can tell, no
May 03 06:42:45 <sspiff> does anyone know how big I can expect an xfce or console image is in the end?
May 03 06:42:56 <sspiff> just trying to figure out if I need new SD cards :)
May 03 06:48:59 <sspiff> also, I see a lot of content is still talking about zaurus devices, is that just because of legacy or are people really still using those?
May 03 06:49:44 <mapleman> i just installed on a hx4700
May 03 06:49:51 <mapleman> i dont know if it is crappier than a zaurus
May 03 07:33:48 <stuk_gen> hi i'm trying build systemd-gnome-image but fail on package webkit-gtk-1.7.2+svnr101488-r4: task do_compile: Failed
May 03 07:38:03 <stuk_gen> any hint?
May 03 07:56:50 <CcSsNET> stuk_gen: try reading some logs
May 03 07:57:06 <stuk_gen> can you give me some info?
May 03 08:01:13 <stuk_gen> CcSsNET: mmm there is only a 'libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0 -o .libs/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0.11.2
May 03 08:01:14 <stuk_gen> collect2: ld terminated with signal 9 [Killed]'
May 03 08:13:40 <CcSsNET> sig 9 means intentionally killed
May 03 08:13:52 <CcSsNET> who else uses that system? they fucking with you?
May 03 08:26:44 <CcSsNET> stuk_gen: really. getting a sig 9 on a compile has to be the most bizare thing ive seen. you accidently press ctrl-c? or any other way of killing it?
May 03 08:31:23 <stuk_gen> CcSsNET: no i think i have memory issue
May 03 08:31:31 <stuk_gen> CcSsNET: maybe its consume all ram
May 03 08:34:07 <CcSsNET> stuk_gen: yes maybe
May 03 08:34:13 <CcSsNET> how much ram in host?
May 03 08:34:44 <CcSsNET> i compile on a 16gb machine :)
May 03 08:34:48 <CcSsNET> no issues here
May 03 08:38:32 <stuk_gen> hehe :)
May 03 08:45:18 <CcSsNET> atccss.net/pc/new-pc.jpg
May 03 08:45:20 <CcSsNET> :)
May 03 08:47:02 <CcSsNET> it deserves a nicer case
May 03 09:16:28 <sspiff> CcSsNET: I have something similar, one question though
May 03 09:16:33 <sspiff> do you ever use the video cards?
May 03 09:16:53 <sspiff> because mine get way to hot, being that close to each other and having that little room to breathe
May 03 09:17:05 <sspiff> looking for a solution other than "leave the side open"
May 03 09:22:23 <CcSsNET> i leave my side open in the summer, and i dont fill in the pci slots with filler plates
May 03 09:22:35 <CcSsNET> alternatively upgrade the cooling on them
May 03 09:22:42 <CcSsNET> pure copper heatsink/fan
May 03 09:23:06 <CcSsNET> or go with water cooling its cheap now. 150$ish for a full system without internal fans
May 03 09:24:13 <CcSsNET> but yea, my vid cards overheat before my cpu does
May 03 09:24:23 <CcSsNET> i claim the industry is fucking over the public
May 03 09:24:45 <CcSsNET> forcing them to buy higher end coolers by providing absolute crap ones oem
May 03 09:24:47 <sspiff> yeah but water cooling requires cumbersome maintainance
May 03 09:24:56 <CcSsNET> not all does
May 03 09:25:07 <CcSsNET> most people dont actually use water
May 03 09:25:17 <sspiff> and designing motherboards/cases with absolute crap layouts for airflow
May 03 09:25:24 <CcSsNET> yup
May 03 09:25:27 <CcSsNET> blame patents
May 03 09:25:33 <CcSsNET> PATENTS = SLAVERY
May 03 09:25:48 <sspiff> I blam Hitler
May 03 09:25:55 <sspiff> s/blam/blame/
May 03 09:25:57 <CcSsNET> heh
May 03 09:26:11 <CcSsNET> i blame USA vs EU
May 03 09:26:23 <sspiff> explain?
May 03 09:26:23 <CcSsNET> patents exist because of greed and war
May 03 09:26:51 <gordonjcp> uh, no
May 03 09:27:02 <gordonjcp> patents exist because ideas are valuable
May 03 09:27:20 <CcSsNET> and i refuse to respect you gordonjcp because of that statement
May 03 09:27:23 * CcSsNET walks off
May 03 09:27:30 <gordonjcp> more valuable that the products built around that idea
May 03 09:27:33 <gordonjcp> CcSsNET: <shrug>
May 03 09:27:55 <gordonjcp> CcSsNET: if I devise some clever machine, and make and sell it, do I not deserve to actually get some money from it?
May 03 09:28:05 <gordonjcp> or should I just give it to someone else so they can make money and I get nothing?
May 03 09:28:56 <CcSsNET> gordonjcp: do work. get paid
May 03 09:29:01 <CcSsNET> end of discussion
May 03 09:29:11 <gordonjcp> get paid how, exactly?
May 03 09:29:26 <CcSsNET>  gordonjcp: do work. get paid 
May 03 09:29:31 <gordonjcp> the work is in coming up with the clever machine
May 03 09:29:34 <CcSsNET> the doing work part?
May 03 09:29:42 <CcSsNET> thats not work
May 03 09:29:46 <gordonjcp> yes, it is
May 03 09:29:57 <CcSsNET> then you respect scam artists
May 03 09:29:59 <CcSsNET> ;)
May 03 09:30:05 <gordonjcp> uh, no
May 03 09:30:18 <gordonjcp> CcSsNET: I say this as someone who actually holds a couple of patents
May 03 09:30:33 <CcSsNET> then i repsect you less
May 03 09:30:40 <gordonjcp> one of the patents I hold is for something that took me two years and around 10k in cash terms to develop
May 03 09:30:56 <CcSsNET> do work. get paid
May 03 09:31:00 <gordonjcp> I didn't just sit down for a shit and come up with some genius money-making idea
May 03 09:31:02 <CcSsNET> patents = slavery
May 03 09:31:13 <gordonjcp> CcSsNET: when you grow up you'll understand
May 03 09:31:16 <CcSsNET> copyright/trademark is respectable
May 03 09:31:22 <CcSsNET> patent = slavery
May 03 09:31:50 <gordonjcp> CcSsNET: sure, I guess I could spend the rest of my life flipping burgers
May 03 09:31:55 <CcSsNET> heh
May 03 09:31:58 <gordonjcp> while someone else takes my idea and makes money
May 03 09:32:15 <CcSsNET> sure i can spend the rest of my life shiting on the existance of pantents. no issue to me
May 03 09:32:35 <CcSsNET> like i said. do work, get paid
May 03 09:33:05 <CcSsNET> anti competitive patents = slavery. aka monopoletic scam artists not even doing their own work
May 03 09:33:18 <CcSsNET> anyone can think. but to think and be paid doesnt require a patent
May 03 09:33:29 <CcSsNET> it requires a camera. respect. and a contract
May 03 09:35:37 <CcSsNET> o wait. you going to go file a patent on my opinion?
May 03 09:35:40 <CcSsNET> ;)
May 03 09:45:37 <sspiff> gordonjcp: then you are a scam artist?
May 03 09:46:25 <gordonjcp> sspiff: uh, no...
May 03 09:47:08 <sspiff> gordonjcp: I'm kidding
May 03 09:47:26 <gordonjcp> sspiff: I know ;-)
May 03 09:47:31 <sspiff> I have no vocal opinion about the concept of patents
May 03 09:47:52 <sspiff> but I do feel that the current implementation is broken, and that not everything should be patentable
May 03 09:47:58 <gordonjcp> yes
May 03 09:48:13 <gordonjcp> although I can't say I'm particularly against software patents in principle
May 03 09:48:44 <gordonjcp> the problem is that the barrier to patents isn't high enough
May 03 09:49:40 <gordonjcp> so patenting something like a particular way of displaying a date widget is clearly bloody stupid
May 03 09:50:06 <gordonjcp> patenting codecs for example, is complex
May 03 09:50:30 <gordonjcp> as the current system stands, I could get a US patent on an audio codec that is little more than G.711 with a different control law
May 03 09:50:43 <gordonjcp> this is clearly insane
May 03 09:51:22 <gordonjcp> if however I spent a year developing a wholly new way of compressing audio, then it makes sense that this is patentable
May 03 10:16:49 <broonie> gordonjcp: Well, it's not just the "what is patentable" bit, there are also issues surrounding the enforcmement and discovery of patents.
May 03 10:20:56 <XorA> like shares and copyrights it all went wrong when they became tradable commodities
May 03 10:21:24 <broonie> You'd probably get a long way by having an enforcement requirement like trademarks have.
May 03 10:21:44 <gordonjcp> yes
May 03 10:22:00 <gordonjcp> and also making the distinction between commercial and non-commercial use
May 03 10:22:38 <XorA> that wouldnt work, companies would release "free" versions to ruin competitors
May 03 10:23:45 <XorA> when evil ******** like apple have basically unlimited funds, they will get you!
May 03 17:50:39 <Gerardo> hi!
May 03 17:52:09 <Gerardo> i have a problem with a driver and the cross_compile
May 03 17:53:19 <Gerardo> i'm adding  the drive for de video sensor li-5m03
May 03 17:53:49 <Gerardo> the error is:
May 03 17:54:25 <Gerardo> make: arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: program not found
May 03 17:55:03 <Gerardo> can anyone help
May 03 17:55:16 <Gerardo> plis
May 04 02:26:18 <nstiurca> anybody know if there is any support for firewire in angstrom? in particular, I am hoping to be able to use libdc1394 and libraw1394
May 04 02:27:06 <nstiurca> my target platform is ARM
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