**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 20 02:59:58 2012
May 20 04:08:58 <Borillion> Has anyone seen or heard of angstrom running on rockchip processors? not getting any hits on google
May 20 12:33:54 <brasouli> i'm trying to build an Angstrom image w/ Narcissus and it keeps failing at `angstrom-task-gnome,' `angstrom-x11-base-depends,' and `angstrom-gpe-task-base' (among others, e.g. the `GPE PIM' package)
May 20 12:44:31 <lautriv> brasouli, looks like narcissus is broken for certain targets since ages. what h/w ?
May 20 12:55:17 <brasouli> collie
May 20 12:55:20 <brasouli> (sharp zaurus sl-5500)
May 20 12:55:36 <brasouli> the images do still work regardless of the above
May 20 12:55:53 <brasouli> + those packages are apparently empty for whichever reason
May 20 12:56:06 <brasouli> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=angstrom-x11-base-depends
May 20 12:57:49 <lautriv> brasouli, i would assume they are empty because the build failed.
May 20 13:01:47 <brasouli> good point
May 20 13:18:45 <lautriv> brasouli, but i can tell you OE is not even better.
May 20 13:20:43 <brasouli> oh dear
May 20 13:32:38 <lautriv> brasouli, dunno details about that sharp, does it have some hardware FPU ?
May 20 13:35:12 <brasouli> i don't think so
May 20 13:36:02 <brasouli> its CPU is an `Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 9 (v4l)'
May 20 13:54:36 <lautriv> hi bluelightning ;) something new on the front of kernel-sources ?
May 20 15:06:20 <bluelightning> lautriv: hi
May 20 15:06:25 <bluelightning> lautriv: no, nothing yet...
May 20 16:37:39 <lautriv> meh, what a mess to get qemu doing what i need :(
May 20 19:30:35 <brasouli> how would I go about flashing an original SHARP ROM (`ospack.srom') w/ a kexecboot'd SL-5500?
May 20 19:50:51 <lautriv> brasouli, for original-roms there is mostly a special key-combo. shure you wnt do that ?
May 20 19:51:08 <brasouli> quite sure
May 20 19:51:12 <brasouli> that i want to do that
May 20 19:51:13 <brasouli> ye
May 20 19:51:13 <brasouli> s
May 20 19:53:47 <lautriv> brasouli, google for "zaurus bootstrap" might bring some light in.
May 20 20:42:43 <angs> I installed gcc by "opkg install gcc", when I execute gcc -g main.c -o main, I get the following error "-sh: gcc: command not found"
May 20 20:42:43 <angs> Package gcc (4.5-r49+svnr184907) installed in root is up to date.
May 20 20:42:43 <angs> can anyone tell me what could be wrong?
May 20 20:42:43 <angs> http://pastebin.com/RU78fqc4
May 20 20:47:25 <mapleman> probably path issues
May 20 20:47:28 <mapleman> just try to find it
May 20 20:47:35 <mapleman> find . |grep gcc
May 20 20:48:38 <angs> root@beaglebone:~# find . |grep gcc
May 20 20:48:38 <angs> root@beaglebone:~# gcc -g main.c -o main
May 20 20:48:38 <angs> -sh: gcc: command not found
May 20 20:48:59 <angs> I didn't get any output
May 20 20:49:06 <brasouli> mine was beneath /opt
May 20 20:49:28 <angs> could it be my angstrom dist was not installed correctly?
May 20 20:50:40 <brasouli> does anyone here have a working URL to the `Cacko' ROM for an SL-5500 (aka `collie')
May 20 20:52:43 <mapleman> try find / |grep gcc
May 20 20:52:47 <mapleman> see if you get any output
May 20 20:54:18 <angs> it found quite many results http://pastebin.com/LVLvzKx1
May 20 20:55:11 <angs> what should I do now?
May 20 20:59:04 <lautriv> angs, cd /usr/bin .......... ln -s arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc gcc
May 20 21:04:31 <angs> thank you very much
May 20 21:04:37 <angs> it works now :)
May 20 21:05:45 <lautriv> angs, remember that if you upgrade to another gcc ;)
May 20 21:09:04 <angs> my questions might sound stupid, I am new on angstrom. I would be glad if you could suggest me what to do. now I get the following error
May 20 21:09:06 <angs> root@beaglebone:~# gcc -g main.c -o main
May 20 21:09:06 <angs> main.c:2:53: fatal error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
May 20 21:09:06 <angs> compilation terminated.
May 20 21:10:27 <angs> do I need to install headerfiles on gcc directory?
May 20 21:13:24 <lautriv> angs, never into the gcc-dir, which is /usr/bin. just install development-packages or sources, those are in /usr/include or /usr/src
May 20 21:15:35 <lautriv> angs, however this looks like you try to do first steps in C on a embedded system ?
May 20 21:17:39 <angs> I would like to run a socket program to test if it would work fine or not, but I can not compile the code. I used gcc 2 months ago, it worked fine, I don't know why I do have problem with it now
May 20 21:18:35 <angs> isn't there c libraries in gcc directories by default?
May 20 21:18:48 <lautriv> angs, you miss headers for glibc, not in the regular package, loock for *-dev package.
May 20 21:18:48 <KeatonT> should be.
May 20 21:19:33 <lautriv> angs, no. if you have headers, they are in /usr/include
May 20 21:20:16 <angs> there is only "python2.7" file under /usr/include directory
May 20 21:20:36 <angs> is it wierd?
May 20 21:21:15 <lautriv> angs, glibc-dev not installed ?
May 20 21:22:59 <angs> it wasn't installed, not it is installing
May 20 21:23:30 <angs> *now
May 20 21:25:04 * lautriv went to bed....laters dudes.
May 20 21:25:18 <angs> thanks for your help lautriv
May 20 21:28:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> RXShorty, I don't know the current status of tosa, I looked some time ago, and it seem that the kernel is ok but that the xorg driver has not been merged from kdrive to xorg
May 20 21:29:21 <GNUtoo-desktop> as a consequences it does work under Xorg but it uses the xf86-video-fbdev if I remember well
May 20 21:29:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> I can check if you want
May 20 21:29:32 <GNUtoo-desktop> else there is still opie
May 20 21:29:38 <RXShorty> GNUtoo-desktop, hmm ok. Found some blogs of 2011 but don't how accurate those are right now
May 20 21:29:46 <RXShorty> If you could. Much appreciated
May 20 21:29:55 <GNUtoo-desktop> no idea, what I can offer you is to look in the source code
May 20 21:30:16 <GNUtoo-desktop> I don't even know the status of the images
May 20 21:30:30 <RXShorty> Ah Opie isn't that either. I can define them at the builder right?
May 20 21:31:05 <RXShorty> *bad
May 20 21:31:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> basically angstrom migrated from oe-classic to base itself on openembedded-core
May 20 21:31:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> so I can look in openembedded-core sources/metadata for you if you want
May 20 21:31:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> opie is an environment that is very close to the original one
May 20 21:31:52 <GNUtoo-desktop> but it's better
May 20 21:31:56 <GNUtoo-desktop> and it's still maintained
May 20 21:32:06 <RXShorty> That is the most important part.
May 20 21:32:24 <RXShorty> I checked the builder and I can define OPIE instead of X11 
May 20 21:32:37 <GNUtoo-desktop> here are old screenshots of opie:
May 20 21:32:38 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://opie.sourceforge.net/gallery/main.php/v/opie12/
May 20 21:33:06 <GNUtoo-desktop> you could try both
May 20 21:33:12 <RXShorty> I just want my CF wifi card to be supported so I can SSH
May 20 21:33:14 <GNUtoo-desktop> because it's a tough choice
May 20 21:33:18 <GNUtoo-desktop> ah ok
May 20 21:33:19 <RXShorty> true
May 20 21:33:34 <GNUtoo-desktop> so maybe take opie and be sure to have a recent kernel
May 20 21:33:39 <RXShorty> And and xmpp chat possiblity
May 20 21:33:47 <RXShorty> Ok
May 20 21:33:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> I already looked in the kernel sources some time ago and it should be ok
May 20 21:33:59 <RXShorty> Now I have to dive into the installation how to :)
May 20 21:34:03 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes
May 20 21:34:15 <GNUtoo-desktop> but for xmpp I'm not sure on what programs we haev
May 20 21:34:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> *have
May 20 21:34:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> I know there is pidgin under X11
May 20 21:34:29 <GNUtoo-desktop> but no idea about opie
May 20 21:34:36 <RXShorty> Ok thanks
May 20 21:34:37 <GNUtoo-desktop> let me look
May 20 21:34:48 <RXShorty> Thanks for your help so far. :)
May 20 21:35:06 <RXShorty> the old sharp roms had GAIM :P
May 20 21:35:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
May 20 21:35:53 <GNUtoo-desktop> there are a lot of opie programs
May 20 21:36:04 <GNUtoo-desktop> maybe I pastebin you all the opies programs
May 20 21:36:07 <GNUtoo-desktop> and you look?
May 20 21:36:10 <RXShorty> Where can I find the list?
May 20 21:36:17 <RXShorty> or the repo
May 20 21:36:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> here:
May 20 21:36:33 <GNUtoo-desktop> git://git.openembedded.org/meta-opie
May 20 21:36:45 <GNUtoo-desktop> but that's with openembedded-core
May 20 21:37:00 <RXShorty> and using git :)
May 20 21:37:05 <GNUtoo-desktop> I don't know if the current images of angstrom are still based on openembedded-classic or oe-core
May 20 21:37:43 <GNUtoo-desktop> http://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-opie/ is browsable online
May 20 21:37:46 <bluelightning> GNUtoo-desktop: I just pushed an update to meta-opie FYI
May 20 21:37:49 <RXShorty> Hmm opie is basicaly better for PDA's I guess. But the X11 has some more possiblities
May 20 21:37:59 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes I saw
May 20 21:38:02 <GNUtoo-desktop> 3 min ago
May 20 21:38:10 <GNUtoo-desktop> that's what the web interface says
May 20 21:38:21 <RXShorty> 4 
May 20 21:38:24 <RXShorty> ;)
May 20 21:39:10 <GNUtoo-desktop> RXShorty, basically someone could have sent me a zaurus csl300 but at the end he didn't so that's why I looked all that stuff on zaruses
May 20 21:39:38 <GNUtoo-desktop> add the fact that I dreamed to have one at the pma430 times(I bought the wrong device)
May 20 21:40:08 <RXShorty> Ahh you wanted a Zaurus, but didn
May 20 21:40:12 <RXShorty> t have one... yet...
May 20 21:40:29 <GNUtoo-desktop> I wanted it after buying the pma430 and I never had the money to buy the zaurus
May 20 21:40:59 <RXShorty> Same here
May 20 21:41:07 <GNUtoo-desktop> also retrospectively I think the zaurus would have been better
May 20 21:41:15 <RXShorty> Now I own a C860 and a SL6000
May 20 21:41:17 <GNUtoo-desktop> becasue the pma430 had 30GB
May 20 21:41:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> so I though it was better
May 20 21:41:33 <RXShorty> True... more space... 
May 20 21:41:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> but the problem is that the software support was very very bad compaired to the zaurus
May 20 21:42:20 <RXShorty> pitty :( You should check out my blog... will send a link... just fixed a zaurus this weekend
May 20 21:42:59 <GNUtoo-desktop> I mean the pma430 software support was bad and was never close to the zarus one
May 20 21:43:10 <GNUtoo-desktop> there was openpma but not a lot of software were ported to it
May 20 21:43:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> + the build system was very bad(shell scripts like ./configure --foo;make CC= etc...)
May 20 21:43:40 <GNUtoo-desktop> that didn't help the porting
May 20 21:43:51 <bluelightning> should have used OE :)
May 20 21:43:59 <GNUtoo-desktop> with a 2.4 kernel?
May 20 21:44:08 <GNUtoo-desktop> I tried at some point
May 20 21:44:15 <GNUtoo-desktop> that was my first try with oe
May 20 21:44:19 <bluelightning> we used to be able to build 2.4 just fine
May 20 21:44:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> depend until when
May 20 21:44:32 <bluelightning> no support these days though
May 20 21:44:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> because when I tried it was half-supported
May 20 21:45:00 <GNUtoo-desktop> there was an angstrom for 2.4 but it the distro config was dummy
May 20 21:45:07 <GNUtoo-desktop> it had to be filled-in
May 20 21:45:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> so at the end I got a chroot image
May 20 21:45:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> but no Xorg
May 20 21:45:39 <GNUtoo-desktop> and no Xfbdev either
May 20 21:45:56 <GNUtoo-desktop> I had to use uclibc because eglibc depended on NTPL
May 20 21:46:10 <GNUtoo-desktop> for threading
May 20 21:46:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> the 2.4 didn't had that feature
May 20 21:46:24 <GNUtoo-desktop> problems with glib too
May 20 21:46:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> etc...
May 20 21:46:30 <GNUtoo-desktop> basically a nightmare
May 20 21:46:51 <bluelightning> ah yes, I remember those days
May 20 21:46:57 <GNUtoo-desktop> lol
May 20 21:46:58 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
May 20 21:46:59 <bluelightning> seems like such a long time ago
May 20 21:47:02 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes
May 20 21:47:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> when I started there was monotone
May 20 21:47:20 <bluelightning> ugh :/
May 20 21:47:32 <GNUtoo-desktop> lol
May 20 21:47:42 <GNUtoo-desktop> not so long after they switched to git tough
May 20 21:47:51 <bluelightning> yeah
May 20 21:48:23 <RXShorty> Building an x11 image atm ;)
May 20 21:48:51 <bluelightning> RXShorty: cool, let us know how it goes
May 20 21:49:02 <GNUtoo-desktop> bluelightning, I think he uses narcisius
May 20 21:49:08 <RXShorty> Bummer red crosses all over the place...
May 20 21:49:17 <RXShorty> Yep you are right 
May 20 21:49:24 <bluelightning> yeah, you get a red X when there is no matching package
May 20 21:49:38 <bluelightning> it's not particularly good at reporting that, but that's usually what it means
May 20 21:50:07 <RXShorty> Well got a image of 108 kb... don't think that would do anything...
May 20 21:50:18 <bluelightning> unfortunately it lists machines for which packages aren't being built by the autobuilder atm
May 20 21:50:40 <RXShorty> Ah ok thanks for the info
May 20 21:50:51 <RXShorty> deselect all extra packages :)
May 20 21:53:11 <RXShorty> well this isn't going to work I am afraid
May 20 21:55:02 <RXShorty> Ohh auch reading some stuff about the tosa image... not that positive I am afraid
May 20 21:57:17 <bluelightning> I think your only alternative at this point is going to be building it yourself
May 20 21:57:18 <GNUtoo-desktop> RXShorty, maybe take a stable image?
May 20 21:57:57 <RXShorty> Well building it myself is the option I have indeed. Ah no problems there. 
May 20 21:58:11 <GNUtoo-desktop> it can take a long time tough
May 20 21:58:19 <RXShorty> True. 
May 20 22:00:44 <GNUtoo-desktop> I said that as a warning, just to make you aware of it
May 20 22:02:34 <RXShorty> I know. Few months ago I tried to build from scratch on my Netwalker.
May 20 22:03:15 <GNUtoo-desktop> angstrom is cross-compiled
May 20 22:03:29 <GNUtoo-desktop> which means that with a core i7 in some hours you can get an image
May 20 22:04:35 <RXShorty> :)
May 20 22:05:01 <GNUtoo-desktop> I don't know exactly how much hours
May 20 22:05:15 <GNUtoo-desktop> but it's something like 3-5 hours if you have a good setup
May 20 22:05:31 <GNUtoo-desktop> for something minimal
May 20 22:06:12 <RXShorty> That is going to be a to do for tomorrow.
May 20 22:07:30 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok nice
May 20 22:42:42 <RXShorty> Thanks for the information guys
May 20 22:42:55 <RXShorty> I am off to bed speak to you tomorrow if everything goes well ;)
May 20 22:42:58 <RXShorty> Bye
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