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Sep 12 16:00:05 <zoidberg> hello how are you
Sep 12 16:03:12 <zoidberg> hey bluelightning i`m setting up my openembeddet toolchain now
Sep 12 16:04:06 <bluelightning> hi zoidberg
Sep 12 16:11:33 <zoidberg> could i also compile for my sa1110 with openembeddet?
Sep 12 16:15:18 <bluelightning> zoidberg: yes, your problem there may be finding a kernel that works properly for the specific device though
Sep 12 16:16:05 <zoidberg> ok hmmm maybe i just take the 2.4.19 kernel wich worked, this kernel was also in the familiar distribution
Sep 12 16:17:09 <bluelightning> ah yes, but then you will have problems compiling the 2.4 kernel which is very different to the 2.6/3.x kernels we have today
Sep 12 16:17:26 <bluelightning> most of the modern userspace tools will not work with 2.4 either
Sep 12 16:17:47 <bluelightning> if you want something to work it will need to be at least 2.6.x
Sep 12 16:18:09 <bluelightning> even then you will need to be careful about the versions of certain components such as udev
Sep 12 16:18:40 <zoidberg> ok do you know if a 2.6.x kernel works on my ipaq h3600 or my ipaq h3800
Sep 12 16:19:25 <bluelightning> it would need to be 2.6.21-hh
Sep 12 16:19:37 <bluelightning> there is a recipe in meta-handheld for that
Sep 12 16:20:02 <zoidberg> ok could you send me a link to that?
Sep 12 16:20:13 <bluelightning> IIRC I managed to get it to boot on h3600 with a modern system but there were issues with locking up at certain points in the build process
Sep 12 16:20:26 <bluelightning> http://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-handheld/
Sep 12 16:20:41 <bluelightning> if you are building angstrom you will get that out of the box I think
Sep 12 16:21:06 <zoidberg> ok 
Sep 12 16:21:13 <zoidberg> yes i wanted to build angstrom
Sep 12 16:21:27 <bluelightning> er, when I said "build process" I meant "boot process" above, oops
Sep 12 16:22:00 <zoidberg> i wanted to use the ipaq h3600 as mpd device
Sep 12 16:22:09 <zoidberg> ok 
Sep 12 16:27:16 <zoidberg> because it doesnt need much energy and its small and just because i can
Sep 12 16:27:21 <zoidberg> ^^
Sep 12 16:28:00 <bluelightning> right, I'd love to see these devices fully supported
Sep 12 16:28:18 <bluelightning> the problem is that there are not many developers to keep them alive :(
Sep 12 16:30:47 <zoidberg> me too
Sep 12 16:31:54 <zoidberg> last weekend i was on this ccc convention named mrmcd and i had my ipaqs with me and i recruited a few people who are willing to work for their ipaqs ^^ to be kept alive
Sep 12 16:32:24 <bluelightning> zoidberg: cool, any of them have any experience with kernel development?
Sep 12 16:33:06 <zoidberg> i dunno, but maybe we could make a mailing list for this
Sep 12 16:33:19 <zoidberg> or a subdomain in the openembeddet wiki?
Sep 12 16:36:12 <zoidberg> or something...
Sep 12 16:36:40 <bluelightning> I would like one central resource somewhere
Sep 12 16:36:57 <bluelightning> maybe an ipaq-linux mailing list would be useful
Sep 12 16:37:12 <bluelightning> we used to have all of this when handhelds.org was around but that died :/
Sep 12 16:37:25 <zoidberg> yes
Sep 12 16:38:55 <zoidberg> what happened to handhelds.org, do you know the guy who owned it, maybe we could get in contact with this guy and help him bringing this back online again
Sep 12 16:39:48 <zoidberg> ok in a few hours we will have a page
Sep 12 16:39:56 <zoidberg> kola.li/ipaqlinux
Sep 12 16:40:53 <zoidberg> would a wiki be nice?
Sep 12 16:43:30 <bluelightning> zoidberg: I tried to contact him several times a few years ago, never got a reply
Sep 12 16:44:00 <bluelightning> we do have some resources on linuxtogo.org btw
Sep 12 16:44:01 <zoidberg> ok hmmm then we`ll have to start from 0
Sep 12 16:44:14 <zoidberg> ok
Sep 12 16:44:15 <bluelightning> well, for now I would suggest building on linuxtogo
Sep 12 16:44:42 <zoidberg> would it be possible to get linuxtogo/ipaqlinux?
Sep 12 16:47:16 <bluelightning> zoidberg: I'm not sure, but what would that really achieve?
Sep 12 16:50:07 <zoidberg> it would be much easier to get new people
Sep 12 16:50:38 <bluelightning> I'm not sure it's going to make that much difference
Sep 12 16:51:27 <bluelightning> but you can certainly ask them about it
Sep 12 16:51:46 <zoidberg> yes i will
Sep 12 16:51:58 <zoidberg> but for the beginning there will be another page
Sep 12 16:59:24 <zoidberg> do you know something about kernel developing? and would you participate in this project
Sep 12 17:00:07 <bluelightning> my kernel development knowledge is very limited
Sep 12 17:00:48 <bluelightning> otherwise yes, I do feel like I'm already kind of doing some work by maintaining meta-handheld :)
Sep 12 17:01:13 <zoidberg> ^^
Sep 12 17:04:53 <bluelightning> but I do have to admit I have not been doing a huge amount to try to get older ipaq support working again
Sep 12 17:07:00 <zoidberg> no problem, i just met so many people who want to start this again this is why i wanted to do this now
Sep 12 17:09:37 <bluelightning> if we can spark more people's interest and get them involved we will all benefit, definitely
Sep 12 17:10:44 <zoidberg> zes
Sep 12 17:10:46 <zoidberg> yes
Sep 12 17:18:13 <zoidberg> and i think for that we need a webpage with some informations and something
Sep 12 17:36:25 <zoidberg> arrgh python psycho is not available for ubuntu is this necessary for openembeddet?
Sep 12 17:38:59 <bluelightning> zoidberg: no, that's just a warning
Sep 12 17:39:07 <zoidberg> ok
Sep 12 17:39:29 <zoidberg> where do i get bitbake from?
Sep 12 17:39:29 <bluelightning> zoidberg: but that's not the current development version of OpenEmbedded btw, that's OE-Classic
Sep 12 17:39:39 <zoidberg> ah ok
Sep 12 17:39:47 <zoidberg> i pulled oecore
Sep 12 17:40:30 <bluelightning> oh did you perhaps use a bitbake package from your distro ?
Sep 12 17:40:41 <bluelightning> if so, don't do that :)
Sep 12 17:40:48 <zoidberg> i dont have any bitbake
Sep 12 17:40:56 <bluelightning> ah ok
Sep 12 17:41:16 <bluelightning> so if you want to build angstrom I would suggest following the angstrom getting started info
Sep 12 17:43:11 <zoidberg> could you post the link?
Sep 12 17:43:17 <zoidberg> where is it?
Sep 12 17:49:39 <bluelightning> zoidberg: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Sep 12 17:49:48 <bluelightning> bbiab
Sep 12 17:52:02 <zoidberg> cya
Sep 12 17:56:57 <spacecolonyone> is there a simple way to override the defconfig used in bit baking virtual/kernel, I've been trying to get it to work using an OE overlay but just can't seem to get it to work.  
Sep 12 18:08:41 <zoidberg> i dunno sorry
Sep 12 18:14:39 <zoidberg> what kind of device do you have?
Sep 12 18:15:27 <spacecolonyone> oh, I'm working with a BBxM
Sep 12 18:15:34 <spacecolonyone> I may have just gotten it.
Sep 12 18:16:30 <spacecolonyone> On a lark I switched from FILESEXTRAPATHS_prepend in my bbappend file to FILESPATH_prepend for the directory containing my version of the defconfig
Sep 12 18:39:56 <zoidberg> i`m just building for my hx4700
Sep 12 19:40:51 <zoidberg> how moch disk space do i need to compile angstrom?
Sep 12 19:54:18 <zoidberg> 3~3~
Sep 12 20:00:56 <zoidberg> ok i`ll go sleeping
Sep 12 20:00:58 <zoidberg> n8
Sep 13 02:18:09 <monttyle> Hello.  How does one get a genuine GNU ar instead of the stripped down busybox one?  I'd hoped it would come with binutils or binutils-dev, no luck.
Sep 13 02:30:20 <monttyle> For the chatlogs, the answer was 'rm /usr/bin/ar ; ln -s /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ar /usr/bin/ar'.  You could also probably tell your config script a different location for ar for a less permanent fix.
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