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May 17 22:04:06 <danboid> Has there not been an update to Angstrom (for Zaurus spitz) since Dec 2007?
May 17 22:04:28 <danboid> The kernel, that is
May 17 22:08:15 <HRH_H_Crab> danboid: sounds about right
May 17 22:08:48 <danboid> Hi HRH_H_Crab!
May 17 22:08:59 <HRH_H_Crab> hi
May 17 22:09:41 <danboid> If I install it, will I be able to access the ports/repos still for binary packages or not?
May 17 22:10:54 <HRH_H_Crab> i dunno
May 17 22:11:04 <HRH_H_Crab> ive long since ceased using angstrom
May 17 22:11:19 <HRH_H_Crab> i only really idle in the channel for historical reasons
May 17 22:11:31 <HRH_H_Crab> i still have a couple of spitz but they run debian
May 17 22:11:40 <HRH_H_Crab> they have a 3.0.2 (i think) kernel
May 17 22:11:47 <HRH_H_Crab> which came from the kexecboot guys.
May 17 22:12:16 <danboid> Great! Whats the easiest/best way for me to install Deb on my Spitz? Can I run Wheezy on it?
May 17 22:12:48 <HRH_H_Crab> yep
May 17 22:12:50 <HRH_H_Crab> o.k.
May 17 22:13:12 <danboid> I've just tried flashing Andromeda but it failed to boot - I'm not even sure it supports the c3000 and the instructions are a bit thin on the ground
May 17 22:13:16 <HRH_H_Crab> i cant actually remember exactly how i did this.
May 17 22:13:22 <danboid> :)
May 17 22:13:28 <HRH_H_Crab> i think it was something like
May 17 22:13:33 <HRH_H_Crab> get a sd / cf card
May 17 22:13:36 <HRH_H_Crab> debootstrap it
May 17 22:13:43 <HRH_H_Crab> then flash the z with kexecboot
May 17 22:14:08 <HRH_H_Crab> edit some files to make it boot from the cf card etc. etc.
May 17 22:14:10 <HRH_H_Crab> aaah...
May 17 22:14:26 <HRH_H_Crab> i think what i did was i booted from one card
May 17 22:14:32 <HRH_H_Crab> that enabled me to partition the hard drive
May 17 22:15:14 <HRH_H_Crab> i must have booted from sd and used the cf wifi to debootstrap to the hdd
May 17 22:15:19 <HRH_H_Crab> or something like that
May 17 22:16:07 <HRH_H_Crab> i might even have just made a tarball
May 17 22:16:11 <HRH_H_Crab> for the filesystem
May 17 22:16:20 <danboid> Hmm
May 17 22:16:32 <HRH_H_Crab> so basically the way that kexecboot works
May 17 22:16:33 <danboid> I've not touched my Z for years
May 17 22:16:45 <HRH_H_Crab> you have a linux kernel and bootloader in the flash
May 17 22:17:11 <HRH_H_Crab> and then you have a rootfs and a kernel on either hdd partitions, or cf or sd
May 17 22:17:32 <HRH_H_Crab> when kexecboot runs it scans the various storage options and presents a menu
May 17 22:17:33 <danboid> never tried kexecboot before but I can see a spitz kernel package here http://kexecboot.org/download
May 17 22:17:43 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah read the docs there
May 17 22:17:55 <HRH_H_Crab> there is good stuff on openembedded.org too
May 17 22:17:59 <HRH_H_Crab> i should also warn you
May 17 22:18:09 <HRH_H_Crab> that im not using X
May 17 22:18:16 <HRH_H_Crab> i do have a version of debian with X on it
May 17 22:18:19 <danboid> I wasn't planning on using X on it
May 17 22:18:31 <HRH_H_Crab> but that is a horrific frankenstein installation
May 17 22:18:37 <HRH_H_Crab> and i honestly have no idea how i did it
May 17 22:18:41 <HRH_H_Crab> and its unusable
May 17 22:18:46 <HRH_H_Crab> (the X)
May 17 22:18:48 <HRH_H_Crab> cool
May 17 22:19:01 <HRH_H_Crab> without X its fine.
May 17 22:19:13 <danboid> kexecboot + Andromeda may be my easiest bet
May 17 22:19:16 <HRH_H_Crab> i do find the screen flickers a lot with the 3.2 kernel
May 17 22:19:25 <HRH_H_Crab> s/lot/bit
May 17 22:19:28 <danboid> but it'll be an ancient rootfs I bet
May 17 22:19:30 <HRH_H_Crab> and the wifi is flakey as hell
May 17 22:19:46 <HRH_H_Crab> hang on...
May 17 22:19:52 <danboid> Oh right. So 3.0.x is best for spitz is it?
May 17 22:20:22 <HRH_H_Crab> im double checking what i have
May 17 22:20:24 <HRH_H_Crab> 3.2 maybe
May 17 22:21:00 <HRH_H_Crab> i will boot it and give you some uname -a action.
May 17 22:21:19 <HRH_H_Crab> its a painful process though since i need to get enough charge into the battery for it to play ball
May 17 22:21:24 <danboid> I need wifi to work well or its a no-go. I've got a prism2 based CF card
May 17 22:21:28 <HRH_H_Crab> and kexecboot takes a while to work.
May 17 22:21:37 <HRH_H_Crab> the buffalo?
May 17 22:21:50 <danboid> Planex?
May 17 22:21:53 <HRH_H_Crab> aah
May 17 22:21:56 <HRH_H_Crab> mines buffalo
May 17 22:22:09 <HRH_H_Crab> mines hostap (i think thats prism 2 right?)
May 17 22:22:11 <HRH_H_Crab> mine works
May 17 22:22:16 <danboid> GW-CF11X
May 17 22:22:19 <HRH_H_Crab> but it just keeps crapping out under load.
May 17 22:22:39 <HRH_H_Crab> ironically i dist-upgraded my two the other day.
May 17 22:22:52 <danboid> Wheezy?
May 17 22:22:53 <HRH_H_Crab> 3 debian installs (one Z has stable & testing on 2 partitions)
May 17 22:23:07 <HRH_H_Crab> yep
May 17 22:23:15 <HRH_H_Crab> took forever
May 17 22:23:21 <danboid> great
May 17 22:23:27 <HRH_H_Crab> (mainly because the card kept crapping out)
May 17 22:23:44 <danboid> I'll be delighted to run a modern Deb on this ol' hunk o' junk
May 17 22:24:07 <HRH_H_Crab> it works fine.
May 17 22:24:07 <danboid> if I can get reliable SSH etc
May 17 22:24:20 <HRH_H_Crab> it wont be "mega reliable" but it will work.
May 17 22:24:25 <HRH_H_Crab> if you are ssh'ing to the z
May 17 22:24:31 <HRH_H_Crab> run up screen! ;)
May 17 22:24:37 <HRH_H_Crab> well
May 17 22:24:46 <HRH_H_Crab> depends on the card i guess.
May 17 22:25:02 <HRH_H_Crab> if you can report back and your card is solid i may invest in one.
May 17 22:25:11 <danboid> will do
May 17 22:25:30 <HRH_H_Crab> mine is still charging 
May 17 22:25:57 <HRH_H_Crab> ok
May 17 22:26:00 <HRH_H_Crab> we have life
May 17 22:26:06 <HRH_H_Crab> this will take a while
May 17 22:26:11 <HRH_H_Crab> gotta wait for kexec to do its thing.
May 17 22:26:25 <danboid> I've never installed Deb from debootstrap. I presume doing this on a Z will be pretty much the same as on a PC ie I can use the regular debootstrap instructions?
May 17 22:26:25 <HRH_H_Crab> do you have a decent sized sd card?
May 17 22:26:35 <HRH_H_Crab> hmmm
May 17 22:26:42 <HRH_H_Crab> there was something glitchy about it
May 17 22:26:55 <HRH_H_Crab> let me review the instructions
May 17 22:27:05 <danboid> I've got a 512MB CF and a 32GB microSD that the Z prob can't read
May 17 22:27:24 <HRH_H_Crab> http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/static.php?page=ZaurusDebian
May 17 22:27:25 <danboid> the CF card works fine
May 17 22:27:40 <HRH_H_Crab> i used that a lot.
May 17 22:27:57 <danboid> Yeah, I looked at Cortez guide yesterday
May 17 22:28:05 <HRH_H_Crab> ideally i think you will need an sd that will work too.
May 17 22:28:49 <HRH_H_Crab> because you need one to boot from
May 17 22:28:53 <HRH_H_Crab> (and format the hd)
May 17 22:29:06 <danboid> I've got a 256MB SD card
May 17 22:29:16 <HRH_H_Crab> and the other to hold the rootfs tarball to copy to your nice new partitions
May 17 22:29:19 <danboid> I've got a 4GB one too, somewhere
May 17 22:30:11 <danboid> Where is this  debian-stage1.tar.gz that Cortez mentions then?
May 17 22:30:19 <HRH_H_Crab> i dunno
May 17 22:30:23 <HRH_H_Crab> i sacked it off
May 17 22:30:30 <HRH_H_Crab> since i used debootstrap instead and made my own.
May 17 22:31:36 <danboid> Did you use the same debootstrap command as cortez?
May 17 22:31:54 <HRH_H_Crab> not exactly
May 17 22:31:56 <danboid> I'm mainly wondering about --foreign sid armel-stage1 
May 17 22:32:05 <HRH_H_Crab> i might have done
May 17 22:32:12 <HRH_H_Crab> i remember there was some bit i had to futz around with
May 17 22:32:22 <HRH_H_Crab> and i think it may have been that part.
May 17 22:32:27 <HRH_H_Crab> just have a play
May 17 22:32:32 <HRH_H_Crab> if you get really stuck
May 17 22:32:36 <HRH_H_Crab> nag me in here
May 17 22:32:40 <danboid> What if I wanted to run wheezy? Would I replace sid with wheezy in '--foreign sid armel-stage1' ?
May 17 22:32:44 <HRH_H_Crab> and ill sort something
May 17 22:32:49 <danboid> Thanks!
May 17 22:32:53 <HRH_H_Crab> i wouldnt worry about that
May 17 22:32:59 <HRH_H_Crab> id just make sure you get deb installed
May 17 22:33:09 <HRH_H_Crab> and then edit /etc/apt/sources.lst or whatever its called
May 17 22:33:14 <HRH_H_Crab> and dist-upgrade! ;)
May 17 22:33:35 <HRH_H_Crab> actually...
May 17 22:33:37 <danboid> thats the plan man!
May 17 22:33:38 <HRH_H_Crab> hold on a second.
May 17 22:34:53 <danboid> So whats your main ARM device these days?
May 17 22:35:12 <HRH_H_Crab> my nexus4 i guess?
May 17 22:35:17 <HRH_H_Crab> i actually have 3 nslu2s
May 17 22:35:31 <HRH_H_Crab> im running this irssi off one of them.
May 17 22:35:42 <HRH_H_Crab> Hostname: kowloontong - OS: Linux 2.6.32-5-ixp4xx/armv5tel - CPU:  - Processes: 66 - Uptime: 99d 20h 51m - Load Average: 0.16 - Memory Usage: 17.89MB/28.16MB (63.53%) - Disk Usage: 3.40GB/457.66GB (0.74%) - eth0 Traffic (eth0): 3329.02MB In/1630.30MB Out
May 17 22:35:49 <danboid> Nice! I need to get myself a phone but not sure I can afford the nexus4
May 17 22:36:33 <HRH_H_Crab> crab@zaurus:~$ uname -a
May 17 22:36:33 <HRH_H_Crab> Linux zaurus 3.2.12 #1 Sun Apr 22 01:54:40 CEST 2012 armv5tel GNU/Linux
May 17 22:36:53 <HRH_H_Crab> crab@zaurus:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 
May 17 22:36:53 <HRH_H_Crab> 7.0
May 17 22:37:06 <danboid> good stuff
May 17 22:38:10 <HRH_H_Crab> heh
May 17 22:38:38 <HRH_H_Crab> if you give me a moment...
May 17 22:38:52 <danboid> I'm listening
May 17 22:39:05 <HRH_H_Crab> ive just found some files
May 17 22:39:09 <HRH_H_Crab> on an old sd card
May 17 22:39:36 <HRH_H_Crab> called debian.stable.rootfs.tgz and debian.testing.rootfs.tgz
May 17 22:39:53 <HRH_H_Crab> and im 99% sure they are vanilla debootstraps...
May 17 22:39:57 <danboid> Which stable might that be? timestamp?
May 17 22:40:06 <HRH_H_Crab> they will be old.
May 17 22:40:18 <HRH_H_Crab> you'll have to dist-upgrde
May 17 22:40:22 <danboid> older than Andromeda?
May 17 22:40:27 <HRH_H_Crab> no
May 17 22:40:29 <HRH_H_Crab> newer
May 17 22:40:36 <HRH_H_Crab> contemporary with the 3.2.12 kernel
May 17 22:40:39 <HRH_H_Crab> around that sort of time
May 17 22:40:53 <danboid> sounds good then! Could you upload/share?
May 17 22:40:59 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah
May 17 22:41:04 <danboid> Thanks!
May 17 22:41:04 <HRH_H_Crab> im just gonna sanitize them
May 17 22:41:12 <danboid> ok
May 17 22:47:59 <danboid> Have you got any of the 'Google TV' mini-pcs? I see you can get quad-core versions w/ 2GB RAM for £60 now!
May 17 22:49:15 <danboid> I was thinking of getting one but my Zaurus should be good enough for the sort of stuff I'd want one of those for
May 17 22:49:39 <danboid> but I know I'll end up getting one anyway :)
May 17 22:50:08 <danboid> at that price - why not
May 17 22:50:56 <danboid> maybe harder to justify when you have 3 nslu2s, multiple Zaurii...
May 17 22:53:02 <HRH_H_Crab> ive got far too many computers of various sorts.
May 17 22:53:07 <HRH_H_Crab> can you accept a dcc?
May 17 22:53:14 <HRH_H_Crab> this thing is just under 200MB
May 17 22:53:37 <danboid> yeah, np - thanks!
May 17 22:53:54 <HRH_H_Crab> right give me a second to do some sftp'ing
May 17 22:57:21 <HRH_H_Crab> my zaurii just gather dust.
May 17 22:57:37 <HRH_H_Crab> my slugs handle vanity domain hosting, mail server, bittorrent and irc duties.
May 17 22:57:44 <HRH_H_Crab> they are effectively obsolete
May 17 22:57:47 <HRH_H_Crab> but they still work
May 17 22:57:54 <HRH_H_Crab> and they dont use too much power.
May 17 22:58:02 <HRH_H_Crab> so they are good "always on" machines.
May 17 22:58:15 <HRH_H_Crab> my firewall / router is ridiculously more powerful.
May 17 22:58:21 <HRH_H_Crab> and all it does is shift packets.
May 17 22:58:22 <HRH_H_Crab> :|
May 17 22:58:33 <danboid> :)
May 17 22:58:38 <HRH_H_Crab> ive got a firewall with 4GB of ram 
May 17 22:58:43 <HRH_H_Crab> and a mailserver with 28MB
May 17 22:58:58 <danboid> bit backward, yes
May 17 23:00:20 <danboid> I can't see any real istructions for kexecboot. Is the idea that I make a small (ext3?) partition just for kexecboot
May 17 23:00:32 <HRH_H_Crab> no
May 17 23:00:38 <HRH_H_Crab> accept the dcc
May 17 23:00:50 <HRH_H_Crab> ill explain roughly how it works
May 17 23:00:56 <HRH_H_Crab> you flash with kexec boot
May 17 23:01:04 <HRH_H_Crab> but you also get a kernel too
May 17 23:01:07 <HRH_H_Crab> uncompresed
May 17 23:01:25 <HRH_H_Crab> so you make a partition somewhere
May 17 23:01:33 <HRH_H_Crab> and extract the rootfs
May 17 23:01:35 <HRH_H_Crab> or debootstrap
May 17 23:01:38 <HRH_H_Crab> or whatever
May 17 23:01:56 <HRH_H_Crab> then you copy the kernel (from kexec boot) to /boot
May 17 23:02:00 <danboid> could you try dcc'ing it again please. I've never tried dcc under konversation and it failed first try
May 17 23:02:02 <HRH_H_Crab> and then you make a config file
May 17 23:02:16 <HRH_H_Crab> its still waiting
May 17 23:02:55 <danboid> looks like I'm out of luck for dcc then - sorry about that!
May 17 23:03:17 <danboid> I did accept but nothing happened - it 'failed'
May 17 23:04:02 <danboid> My distro had Konversation installed as standard so I'm just running that right now for IRC
May 17 23:04:19 <HRH_H_Crab> try again
May 17 23:05:07 <HRH_H_Crab> ill try something different.
May 17 23:05:19 <danboid> network unreachable. Maybe its my router firewall. I must admit I've not tried dcc whilst behind this router
May 17 23:07:27 <danboid> so will kexecboot get flashed to my c3000 nand then?
May 17 23:08:01 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah
May 17 23:08:06 <HRH_H_Crab> anyway
May 17 23:08:15 <HRH_H_Crab> you then copy the kernel that comes with kexec boot
May 17 23:08:26 <HRH_H_Crab> to the /boot folder in your new partition from the rootfs
May 17 23:08:37 <HRH_H_Crab> there are a couple of config files that go in there
May 17 23:08:46 <HRH_H_Crab> with the parameters that should get passed to the kernel.
May 17 23:09:39 <danboid> I presume these kernel config files are in your rootfs right?
May 17 23:10:05 <danboid> i may just need to check the partitions
May 17 23:10:59 <HRH_H_Crab> no
May 17 23:11:02 <HRH_H_Crab> those go in the /boot
May 17 23:11:09 <HRH_H_Crab> in the rootfs partition
May 17 23:11:10 <HRH_H_Crab> http://kexecboot.org/contact
May 17 23:11:28 <HRH_H_Crab> you should prob. hang in #kexecboot on freenode
May 17 23:11:36 <HRH_H_Crab> andrea is the dude that helped me out
May 17 23:11:46 <HRH_H_Crab> he didnt help much with the debootstrapping bits
May 17 23:11:52 <HRH_H_Crab> but hes a kexecboot dev
May 17 23:12:04 <HRH_H_Crab> and i think he did the kernel (or at least big chunks of it)
May 17 23:12:17 <HRH_H_Crab> since noone else seems to be maintaining the spitz kernel
May 17 23:12:20 <HRH_H_Crab> (afaik)
May 17 23:13:01 <danboid> Whats andreas nick?
May 17 23:13:50 <HRH_H_Crab> ant i guess
May 17 23:15:02 <danboid> OK - d/l your rootfs image now - thanks!
May 17 23:15:32 <HRH_H_Crab> so anyway
May 17 23:15:34 <HRH_H_Crab> in the boot
May 17 23:15:43 <HRH_H_Crab> you put kexecboot kernel
May 17 23:15:47 <HRH_H_Crab> and then you make 2 files
May 17 23:15:49 <HRH_H_Crab> boot.cfg
May 17 23:15:53 <HRH_H_Crab> and kernel-cmdline
May 17 23:16:33 <HRH_H_Crab> rab@zaurus:/boot$ cat boot.cfg 
May 17 23:16:33 <HRH_H_Crab> # Default kernel
May 17 23:16:33 <HRH_H_Crab> KERNEL=/boot/zImage
May 17 23:16:33 <HRH_H_Crab> LABEL=Debian (testing - debootstrap)
May 17 23:16:33 <HRH_H_Crab> APPEND=quiet splash
May 17 23:16:35 <HRH_H_Crab> ICON=
May 17 23:16:38 <HRH_H_Crab> PRIORITY=50
May 17 23:17:00 <HRH_H_Crab> crab@zaurus:/boot$ cat kernel-cmdline 
May 17 23:17:00 <HRH_H_Crab> console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty1 noinitrd rootfstype=ext3 fbcon=rotate:1 dyntick=enable debug
May 17 23:17:12 <HRH_H_Crab> not the rootfstype
May 17 23:17:24 <HRH_H_Crab> thats a pretty big hint that it should be (in this case) ext3
May 17 23:17:32 <HRH_H_Crab> i think kexecboot may support other fs
May 17 23:17:42 <danboid> apparently it does
May 17 23:17:43 <HRH_H_Crab> but youd need to check with ant or that 7jay guy
May 17 23:18:24 <HRH_H_Crab> so the process is
May 17 23:18:28 <HRH_H_Crab> kexecboot boots
May 17 23:18:32 <HRH_H_Crab> scans the storage
May 17 23:18:36 <HRH_H_Crab> looks for that shit in a /boot
May 17 23:18:40 <HRH_H_Crab> and then presents a menu
May 17 23:18:44 <HRH_H_Crab> and then you make a choice
May 17 23:18:54 <HRH_H_Crab> and then it bootstraps the kernel in /boot
May 17 23:18:57 <HRH_H_Crab> and you are away...
May 17 23:19:09 <danboid> sounds easy enuff
May 17 23:19:12 <HRH_H_Crab> so you can potentially have like 5 different systems or whatever
May 17 23:19:31 <HRH_H_Crab> 2 or 3 on the hdd
May 17 23:19:32 <danboid> surely thats documented somewhere?
May 17 23:19:37 <HRH_H_Crab> couple on sd
May 17 23:19:40 <HRH_H_Crab> couple on cf
May 17 23:19:43 <HRH_H_Crab> wel
May 17 23:19:49 <HRH_H_Crab> its sort of documented in loads of places.
May 17 23:19:56 <HRH_H_Crab> "sort of"
May 17 23:21:25 <danboid> Oh yeah http://kexecboot.org/documentation/how_to_write_config
May 17 23:22:27 <danboid> but you've saved me a lot of guesswork by showing me your config so thanks for that!
May 17 23:23:17 <HRH_H_Crab> heh
May 17 23:23:25 <HRH_H_Crab> i should get some debian swirl xpms...
May 17 23:23:34 <danboid> image has downloaded so I'll try installing kexecboot nowl, then get your rootfs installed..
May 17 23:24:06 <danboid> s/images/your rootfs
May 17 23:24:40 <HRH_H_Crab> good luck
May 17 23:24:47 <HRH_H_Crab> this is the point where i catch some zzz
May 17 23:24:53 <HRH_H_Crab> and you are on your own! ;)
May 17 23:25:02 <danboid> Thanks! I really appreaciate your help!
May 17 23:25:07 <HRH_H_Crab> np
May 17 23:25:17 <danboid> I think I was very lucky to catch you
May 17 23:25:25 <HRH_H_Crab> i hang in here so feel free to try your luck later.
May 17 23:25:37 <danboid> OK - sleep well!
May 17 23:25:47 <HRH_H_Crab> nn
May 17 23:26:36 <danboid> night!
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