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Aug 29 08:46:15 <vvu> av500: i tested with the official kernel and it does not boot correctly, no video then it automatically reboots
Aug 29 08:55:24 <av500> ?
Aug 29 08:55:27 <av500> tested what?
Aug 29 08:55:44 <vvu> i changed the kernel on the Android
Aug 29 08:55:55 <vvu> got this suggestion from koen
Aug 29 08:56:10 <vvu> thought maybe it helped somehow
Aug 29 08:56:32 <vvu> because that image i`m using is built using Robert Nelsons 3.8 kernel
Aug 29 08:57:00 <av500> ah
Aug 29 08:57:07 <av500> well, you need a kernel with Android patches
Aug 29 08:57:27 <av500> a stock angstrom kernel wont work
Aug 29 08:57:45 <vvu> i have found http://icculus.org/~hendersa/android/
Aug 29 08:57:51 <vvu> and applied to the stock kernel
Aug 29 09:00:01 <vvu> i have no clue how to catch the bug or at least where to search
Aug 29 09:29:50 <vvu> av500: saturday and sunday i will be offline...have my flight back to university and from my city to the capital it`s a looong drive :(
Aug 29 12:47:04 <vmayoral> koen: i'm making some tests and i found out that "actionlib" is not available from the Angstrom feed.
Aug 29 12:52:14 <vmayoral> koen: same with nodelet and other packages, maybe the feed is not up the the second release of meta-ros https://github.com/bmwcarit/meta-ros/releases/tag/v0.1rc2?
Aug 29 13:07:25 <koen> I do this:
Aug 29 13:07:26 <koen> MACHINE=beaglebone bitbake -k roscreate rosboost-cfg rosunit roslib rosbash rosbuild roslang rosmake rosclean rospack roscpp-traits rostime roscpp-serialization rosmsg rosout rostopic rospy rosbag rosgraph rosmaster rosconsole roslaunch rosnode rosparam rosgraph-msgs rostest roscpp rosservice roswtf class-loader
Aug 29 13:07:34 <koen> feel free to suggest extra targets :)
Aug 29 13:07:43 <av500> xeyes?
Aug 29 13:09:45 * koen MACHINE=beaglebone bitbake -k roscreate rosboost-cfg rosunit roslib rosbash rosbuild roslang rosmake rosclean rospack roscpp-traits rostime roscpp-serialization rosmsg rosout rostopic rospy rosbag rosgraph rosmaster rosconsole roslaunch rosnode rosparam rosgraph-msgs rostest roscpp rosservice roswtf class-loader xeyes actionlib nodelet-core nodelet
Aug 29 14:12:43 <vmayoral> i'd suggest to add the following:
Aug 29 14:12:45 <vmayoral> catkin roscpp-commonlisp rosgraph-msgs-commonlisp python-rosdep python-rospkg python-catkin-pkg python-rosinstall
Aug 29 14:18:01 <koen> k
Aug 29 14:18:53 <vmayoral> Nothing PROVIDES 'nodelet-core', 'roscpp-commonlisp' and 'rosgraph-msgs-commonlisp' so they might be removed
Aug 29 14:19:37 <koen> right
Aug 29 14:19:41 <koen> already did that :
Aug 29 14:19:43 <koen> )
Aug 29 14:28:52 <vmayoral> i'm getting an ERROR with libxcb_1.8.1.bb but the rest cross-compiles fine i believe
Aug 29 14:43:17 <vmayoral> just updated the FAQ (https://github.com/vmayoral/beagle-ros/wiki/FAQ) with that line. Let me now if more things should be included.
Aug 29 14:58:17 * koen looks
Aug 29 20:53:57 <vvu> _av500_: any news on testing the app ?
Aug 29 20:55:01 <_av500_> yes
Aug 29 20:55:05 <_av500_> no test :(
Aug 29 20:55:30 <vvu> ok so i need to bug keesj_ about it tomorrow :)
Aug 29 20:56:09 <_av500_> yes
Aug 29 20:56:18 <_av500_> or I get around to it tomorrow morning
Aug 29 20:56:25 <_av500_> in order to flash the kernel, what do I need?
Aug 29 20:56:29 <_av500_> unlocked bootloader?
Aug 29 20:56:31 <_av500_> or more?
Aug 29 20:56:50 <vvu> pfff i don`t really remember, i have put cyanogen long time ago on my n7...
Aug 29 20:56:56 <_av500_> is the kernel to flash online?
Aug 29 20:56:57 <vvu> but yes...unlocked bootloader
Aug 29 20:57:05 <vvu> u need n7 kernel ?
Aug 29 20:57:12 <_av500_> er yes
Aug 29 20:57:25 <vvu> i will mail a link later tonight to you
Aug 29 20:57:26 <vvu> with it
Aug 29 20:57:32 <_av500_> ok
Aug 29 20:57:35 <ds2> is that kernel or a boot.img?
Aug 29 20:57:40 <vvu> boot.img
Aug 29 20:57:43 <vvu> from stock
Aug 29 20:57:48 <_av500_> stock?
Aug 29 20:57:55 <_av500_> dont we need the mods?
Aug 29 20:58:01 <vvu> from the stock image, replaced the kernel in the boot.img
Aug 29 20:58:14 <ds2> Oh you have a ready to go boot.img ?
Aug 29 20:58:18 <vvu> yep
Aug 29 20:58:24 <_av500_> ah
Aug 29 20:58:25 <_av500_> good
Aug 29 20:58:46 <ds2> I need to go find my N7 and charge it up :D
Aug 29 20:58:59 <vvu> one more tester! +1 for ds2
Aug 29 20:59:19 <vvu> ds2: can i back up the boot.img from my n7 ? with fastboot or somehow ?
Aug 29 21:00:18 <ds2> you can dd it out if you know where
Aug 29 21:00:25 <ds2> I donno the place off hand for that platform
Aug 29 21:00:29 <ds2> had to do it on the S2
Aug 29 21:00:33 <vvu> ok so skip, gonna make one now
Aug 29 21:00:39 <vvu> in ~1h will have the link
Aug 29 21:00:42 <ds2> but why bother with the N7
Aug 29 21:00:50 <ds2> just get it from the posted factory images
Aug 29 21:00:51 <_av500_> becasue I have one
Aug 29 21:00:58 <_av500_> true
Aug 29 21:01:06 <ds2> no, I mean getting the boot.img off a N7
Aug 29 21:01:12 <_av500_> right
Aug 29 21:01:21 <vvu> on my n7 i have it already hacked with the right kernel for the project
Aug 29 21:01:23 <_av500_> I guess he wants his modded one thta he lost the source for :)
Aug 29 21:01:26 <ds2> the N7 is a fine platform
Aug 29 21:01:26 <vvu> and it was easier for me
Aug 29 21:01:31 <vvu> :D
Aug 29 21:01:36 <ds2> heheheh
Aug 29 21:01:43 <_av500_> ds2: you need a 2 line patch to have BLE on N7
Aug 29 21:01:44 <ds2> in that case, just cp out the bits :P
Aug 29 21:01:54 <_av500_> if you are so inclined
Aug 29 21:01:58 <ds2> _av500_: do I really need JB 4.2 for that?
Aug 29 21:02:03 <_av500_> 4.3
Aug 29 21:02:07 <ds2> oops 4.3
Aug 29 21:02:12 <_av500_> 4.2 has the evil BCM stack
Aug 29 21:02:17 <_av500_> 4.3 has it open
Aug 29 21:02:21 <_av500_> but they removed n7 support
Aug 29 21:02:27 <ds2> oh
Aug 29 21:02:38 <_av500_> we had BLE on 4.2 with BCM closed libs
Aug 29 21:02:39 <ds2> I am trying to avoid reflashing system.img; got many local mods on it
Aug 29 21:02:47 <ds2> I want BLE on 4.0
Aug 29 21:02:53 <_av500_> have fun
Aug 29 21:03:01 <vvu> ah think i found a good boot.img
Aug 29 21:03:12 <ds2> is there a 4.3 AOSP with BLE?
Aug 29 21:03:16 * vvu gets his all mighty tablet and tests!
Aug 29 21:03:22 <_av500_> ds2: yes
Aug 29 21:03:26 <_av500_> with a small patch
Aug 29 21:03:37 <ds2> hmmm that might be worth the time to do it
Aug 29 21:03:44 <ds2> any chance of BLE on the G9s?
Aug 29 21:04:31 <_av500_> ds2: there was the blueTI stack
Aug 29 21:04:38 <_av500_> that got canned for BCM
Aug 29 21:04:45 <_av500_> no idea is 4.3 BLE works with TI
Aug 29 21:04:52 <_av500_> we stopped caring long ago
Aug 29 21:04:55 <ds2> oh
Aug 29 21:05:07 <ds2> I am more concerned with the jar files for the API
Aug 29 21:05:14 <_av500_> 4.3 needs no jar
Aug 29 21:05:17 <_av500_> its all in aosp
Aug 29 21:05:24 <ds2> ah
Aug 29 21:05:24 <_av500_> 4.2 needed BCM jars
Aug 29 21:05:33 <_av500_> thats what I understand from my BLE guys
Aug 29 21:05:35 <ds2> is 4.3 KLP?
Aug 29 21:05:41 <_av500_> no
Aug 29 21:05:45 <_av500_> KLP is 5
Aug 29 21:05:49 <ds2> so there are 3 JB's now?
Aug 29 21:05:54 <_av500_> yes
Aug 29 21:06:12 <ds2> sigh... how I long for the days of Maemo
Aug 29 21:06:20 * vvu really needs to get accustomed with these acronyms 
Aug 29 21:06:23 <_av500_> buya jolla phone
Aug 29 21:06:32 <ds2> jolla is Meego
Aug 29 21:06:34 <_av500_> or ffos
Aug 29 21:06:38 <_av500_> or ubuntuphone
Aug 29 21:06:40 <_av500_> or tizen
Aug 29 21:06:42 <ds2> I don't want HTML5
Aug 29 21:06:49 <ds2> I want nice and simple GTK w/X
Aug 29 21:06:52 <_av500_> jolla is native
Aug 29 21:06:58 <_av500_> but QT
Aug 29 21:06:59 <_av500_> not GTK shit
Aug 29 21:07:18 <ds2> I guess I can live with QT
Aug 29 21:07:27 <ds2> but no BLE I bet
Aug 29 21:07:27 <_av500_> yes
Aug 29 21:07:31 <_av500_> no idea
Aug 29 21:07:39 <_av500_> so far the BLE periphs you can get are few
Aug 29 21:07:44 <_av500_> unless you like to jog
Aug 29 21:07:55 <ds2> I am up to my eyeballs with BLE stuff that I cannot use
Aug 29 21:07:59 <_av500_> of course you can get TI CCs and write your own
Aug 29 21:08:08 <ds2> but they are all development stuff for customers ;)
Aug 29 21:08:13 <_av500_> ds2: oh, pry tell
Aug 29 21:08:14 <_av500_> pray
Aug 29 21:08:25 <ds2> all sensor stuff
Aug 29 21:08:25 <_av500_> well, iphone has BLE :)
Aug 29 21:08:38 <vvu> talking about bluetooth i got myself a pebble smartwatch
Aug 29 21:08:44 <_av500_> poor you
Aug 29 21:08:45 <ds2> I will sooner swallow a qualcomm SoC then get an iphone :P
Aug 29 21:08:57 <ds2> there is the Metawatch
Aug 29 21:09:05 <_av500_> there are tons of watches
Aug 29 21:09:13 <_av500_> so far all are fails
Aug 29 21:09:14 <ds2> but the metawatch is open ;)
Aug 29 21:09:21 <ds2> and TI SensorTag
Aug 29 21:09:26 <_av500_> yes, and Congo is democratic
Aug 29 21:10:14 <ds2> but sensors and proximity stuff are coming as BLE things
Aug 29 21:11:12 <vvu> _av500_: you have 4.3 on the n7 ?
Aug 29 21:11:18 <_av500_> yes
Aug 29 21:11:21 <_av500_> that bad?
Aug 29 21:11:23 <ds2> and as for writing your own, I don't see a reason to use the CC BLE stuff
Aug 29 21:11:28 <vvu> dunno if this kernel will work...
Aug 29 21:11:32 <_av500_> oh
Aug 29 21:11:32 <vvu> my kernel i for 4.2.2
Aug 29 21:11:35 <vvu> is
Aug 29 21:11:35 <_av500_> I guess it wont
Aug 29 21:11:38 <vvu> :(
Aug 29 21:11:39 <ds2> I might change my mind if I can find a CC dual mode chip
Aug 29 21:11:50 <_av500_> dual what?
Aug 29 21:11:56 <ds2> classic + BLE
Aug 29 21:11:59 <_av500_> ah
Aug 29 21:12:08 <ds2> those are hard to find
Aug 29 21:12:17 <_av500_> 1271 :)
Aug 29 21:12:19 <ds2> otherwise, I much rather program in Thumb2 then 8051
Aug 29 21:12:38 <ds2> _av500_: you got magic words to get them to sell me that in a non module formfactor?
Aug 29 21:12:50 <_av500_> WHY?
Aug 29 21:12:52 <_av500_> why?
Aug 29 21:13:00 <ds2> cuz the modules are gigantic
Aug 29 21:13:11 <_av500_> angle grinder
Aug 29 21:13:14 <ds2> hahaahah
Aug 29 21:13:31 <ds2> and I think the 1271 is also WiFi
Aug 29 21:13:36 <_av500_> yaes
Aug 29 21:13:38 <ds2> don't want wifi
Aug 29 21:13:42 <ds2> ain't got the battery for it
Aug 29 21:13:43 <_av500_> angle grinder
Aug 29 21:13:47 <_av500_> again
Aug 29 21:13:53 <_av500_> sorry, no idea
Aug 29 21:14:06 <ds2> understand
Aug 29 21:14:16 <ds2> but that is why TI, in my mind is not a BT player
Aug 29 21:14:27 <vvu> _av500_: i guess they did not release the latest kernel on http://source.android.com/source/building-kernels.html
Aug 29 21:14:30 <_av500_> well, the CC stuff seems in use
Aug 29 21:14:45 <ds2> the CC BLE stuff is an 8051 core
Aug 29 21:15:08 <_av500_> vvu: kernel should be out
Aug 29 21:15:09 <ds2> there are other people who have a M0 on there
Aug 29 21:15:16 <_av500_> nordic?
Aug 29 21:15:20 <_av500_> ti is moving to M
Aug 29 21:15:22 <ds2> yep
Aug 29 21:15:23 <_av500_> jsut too slow
Aug 29 21:15:26 <ds2> nRF51
Aug 29 21:15:27 <_av500_> like cc3000
Aug 29 21:15:33 <vvu> _av500_: i`ll take the sources again and build it
Aug 29 21:15:36 <_av500_> ok
Aug 29 21:15:46 <ds2> I like TI parts but I am not willing to stomach a 8051 if I can help it
Aug 29 21:15:52 <_av500_> there is a cc3000 planned with M4
Aug 29 21:15:57 <_av500_> but tbd
Aug 29 21:16:01 <_av500_> we wanted it
Aug 29 21:16:03 <ds2> CC3000 is WiFi
Aug 29 21:16:06 <_av500_> yes
Aug 29 21:16:09 <_av500_> just saying
Aug 29 21:16:15 <_av500_> will be the same for BT
Aug 29 21:16:18 <_av500_> its the same silicon
Aug 29 21:16:22 <ds2> are they opening up the CC3000's processor?
Aug 29 21:16:23 <_av500_> im sure
Aug 29 21:16:27 <_av500_> ds2: yes
Aug 29 21:16:36 <_av500_> just when
Aug 29 21:16:39 <ds2> I wouldn't be surprised if it is really a WL silicon repackaged
Aug 29 21:16:44 <_av500_> yes
Aug 29 21:16:47 <_av500_> I think it is all the same
Aug 29 21:16:50 <ds2> when they have that, I'll look at them
Aug 29 21:16:51 <_av500_> well, not WL
Aug 29 21:17:04 <_av500_> but CC for BT and wifi I guess is the same
Aug 29 21:17:07 <ds2> but for now, nordic is the only thing viable, IMO
Aug 29 21:17:11 <_av500_> ic
Aug 29 21:17:26 <_av500_> well, CC is our last link to TI :)
Aug 29 21:17:35 <ds2> it helps that nordic gave way their dev kits ;)
Aug 29 21:18:45 <ds2> I don't care if it is TI or not...but this market needs an (relatively) open SoC
Aug 29 21:19:12 <_av500_> well, ope n8051 is still 8051 :)
Aug 29 21:20:11 <ds2> no, I mean the main SoC
Aug 29 21:20:42 <ds2> put that in a tablet for real productivity
Aug 29 21:21:03 <ds2> with a real OS...not the locked down Android illusion
Aug 29 21:21:23 <ds2> something like that in a G9 sized for factor
Aug 29 21:21:37 <ds2> probally get away with selling them for $600-$700 each
Aug 29 21:22:06 <_av500_> ah, windows RT
Aug 29 21:22:10 <_av500_> ic
Aug 29 21:22:16 <_av500_> LinuxRT
Aug 29 21:23:22 <ds2> the RT interface is unusable
Aug 29 21:23:49 <ds2> of the people I talked to about 8/10 find that the interface unusable on RT
Aug 29 21:24:42 <_av500_> of course
Aug 29 21:27:51 <ds2> _av500_: how's the phones doing?
Aug 29 21:44:30 <vvu> _av500_: so i need to use now the boot.img from 4.3 ?
Aug 29 21:45:06 <_av500_> guess so
Aug 29 21:54:38 <vvu> _av500_: have the n7 at hand now ?
Aug 29 22:00:59 <vvu> _av500_: http://beagleboot.vdev.ro/kernels/boot7_4.3.img this is for 4.3 Android
Aug 29 22:02:30 <_av500_> ok
Aug 29 22:03:19 <vvu> i took the latest sources from http://source.android.com/source/building-kernels.html
Aug 29 22:04:12 <_av500_> ok
Aug 29 23:26:30 <vvu> ds2: any idea what kernel is 4.3 running on ?
Aug 29 23:26:46 <ds2> no idea
Aug 29 23:26:58 <ds2> have you tried the 4.2 kernel and it not work?
Aug 29 23:27:58 <ds2> the exact kernels aren't needed unless they made a very specific change
Aug 29 23:45:35 <vvu> nop i`m still on 4.2.2
Aug 29 23:59:00 <vvu> ds2: crap no good kernel...thought it is 3.4+ kernel which fixes my OTG problem
Aug 30 00:39:27 <vvu> ds2: should i count on you as a tester for my app ?
Aug 30 00:41:49 <ds2> count on? no. will it? maybe. it all comes down to time
Aug 30 00:43:40 <vvu> uoke!
Aug 30 01:14:32 <vvu> ds2: nexus 7 uses ehci right? and galaxy nexus musb?
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