**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 20 02:59:59 2014 Mar 20 05:18:17 hi jkridner are you around? Mar 20 06:20:24 ds2, ping! Mar 20 07:18:56 jkridner: ping Mar 20 08:34:38 hi, why beaglebone-getting-started socket.io uses? To interact with a webkit? They have since shared data with node.js. And why not use native methods for node.js to get ip? (os.networkInterfaces ()) Mar 20 08:35:39 I apologize for my English, I use a translator Mar 20 08:36:11 I have no idea Mar 20 08:36:25 you need to ask jkridner when he wakes up Mar 20 08:40:06 Thanks for the tip, be sure to wait Mar 20 09:14:56 ds2: ping Mar 20 09:16:27 Hi everyone, I would like to discuss a project idea Mar 20 09:18:42 pray tell Mar 20 09:18:51 I have sometimes noticed how it is difficult to do debugging on arduinos and raspberry pi in order to test the circuit attached to the uC Mar 20 09:19:46 I think it would be better for robotics development and debugging if we could have a simple interface where we can control the GPIO pins directly Mar 20 09:20:09 set their values/ pwm / something else Mar 20 09:20:58 This ctould be implemented on any server , lets say implemented in python, with a web interface Mar 20 09:21:42 what do you think ? Mar 20 09:22:50 hmm Mar 20 09:23:04 this could extend beyond GPIO, and into the USB/ hdmi Mar 20 09:23:34 you want a web interface to send USB commands? Mar 20 09:23:59 yes, but for the purpose of debugging Mar 20 09:25:11 Last time i built a quadrotor, i had to write an entire python script(200 lines) to configure a joystick control through the pc to the arduino Mar 20 09:26:54 I wanted to include it in the getting started app Mar 20 09:26:55 av500: what do you think ? Mar 20 09:28:01 this can also have a usb interface, and connect to say, an android app to set values of gpio pins/ pwm on them Mar 20 09:28:31 a manual bitbanging UI Mar 20 09:29:03 av500: :) Mar 20 09:34:36 av500: so what do you think of the idea ? should i start polishing it into a gsoc proposal ? Mar 20 09:35:05 i admit this sounds mostly like some gui stuff for sysfs and libsoc Mar 20 09:35:41 or, whatever interface polishing Mar 20 09:36:03 LetoThe2nd: hmm Mar 20 09:36:48 like, kind of some interface (being tui, gui, whatever) that just takes some commands and dispatches then on to the points that already exist. Mar 20 09:37:25 for the general, documentation on those points and good examples on how to use them would probably more useful than another magic tool to poke them. Mar 20 09:37:39 (my $.02, ofc) Mar 20 09:39:56 LetoThe2nd: it could be useful for average person who doesn't know much about sysfs, but yeah, you have a point Mar 20 09:40:47 LetoThe2nd: LetoThe2nd *back to drawing room for another idea Mar 20 09:41:12 kiranmathewkoshy: have you looked at the proposed projects? Mar 20 09:41:20 av500: yup Mar 20 09:41:26 kiranmathewkoshy: the "i don't know nothing" folks already have bonescript and that python library i can't remember the name Mar 20 09:41:47 pybbio Mar 20 09:41:48 or so Mar 20 09:41:48 LetoThe2nd: pyBBIO Mar 20 09:41:57 sounds swedish Mar 20 09:44:18 LetoThe2nd: anyway, i'm thinking of adding it to the existing webserver that pops up when you connect it on usb Mar 20 09:44:55 LetoThe2nd: *probably outside gsoc, but it could be useful Mar 20 09:45:12 patches welcome :) Mar 20 09:46:23 :) Mar 20 12:12:57 av500: ping Mar 20 12:14:21 jo Mar 20 12:15:13 av500: Hi! I have uploaded my proposal for Arduino Compatible Library using Starterware project. Could you please have a look at it and provide feedback? :) Mar 20 12:18:41 I will Mar 20 12:18:48 but not my area of expertise Mar 20 12:19:24 great! :) Is there any one else I should contact? I have been in talks with jkridner as of now Mar 20 12:22:35 it will be great to have your comments/suggestions. I could provide more detail for any part you feel that lacks clarity in my proposal Mar 20 12:22:49 ill have a look Mar 20 12:23:20 thanks :) Mar 20 14:07:10 So for the timeline is it sat sun included in working or not? Mar 20 14:08:09 rseethamraju : It's your timeline ;) Mar 20 14:08:24 you have 1 hour off on sundays :) Mar 20 14:08:44 av500 : :D Mar 20 14:09:01 ya its summer hols Mar 20 14:09:27 karki:when does your exams get over? Mar 20 14:12:32 nights work the best:) Mar 20 14:21:32 updated my proposal! Mar 20 14:32:44 rseethamraju : around may 15th :) Mar 20 14:35:43 jkridner, ping Mar 20 15:06:28 jkridner: ping Mar 20 15:10:11 hi jkridner Mar 20 15:31:05 * Abhishek_ checks in Mar 20 15:32:15 morning Mar 20 15:34:05 hi Mar 20 15:35:09 hi jkridner good morning Mar 20 15:37:25 jkridner: a new mockup: https://www.lucidchart.com/documents/view/491e9c60-532a-7820-a2af-44400a004cb7 Mar 20 15:37:26 jkridner: Hey! :) I had uploaded my proposal for Arduino-compatible library using Starterware some time back. I hope to get your valuable feedback and comments. Please have a look when you can! Mar 20 15:41:37 alexanderhiam: Hi! :) Mar 20 15:43:17 hey electrobuz Mar 20 15:44:14 alexanderhiam: I have finally uploaded my proposal, for the Arduino-compatible library using starterware. Could you please review it and provide feedback? Mar 20 15:45:43 hi gasolin, abarbarosie, DiegoTc, electrobuz Mar 20 15:45:59 electrobuz: I've made multiple comments in various places. Mar 20 15:46:06 electrobuz: looking now... Mar 20 15:47:23 jkridner: where exactly? i see not comments on melange? :( Mar 20 15:47:29 *no Mar 20 15:48:01 I need to answer some other questions and do some coding as well. I will look on melange because I'd only made comments on the mailing list. Mar 20 15:48:55 jkridner: one of the comments you left me yesterday was *Will DFU provide individual file writes?* do you mean wriking individual files to the filessystem rather then writing the whole filesystem? Mar 20 15:49:12 hi jkridner I will wait for your feedback Mar 20 15:51:19 DiegoTc: I don't know that this brings out the whole idea of using "cards" out in terms of possibilities, but it might be fine. It would be great if you could get some dialog with Adam Flahrtey (sp?) at O'Reilly, since the card idea was originally his. I think what is missing is the layout *within* the cards as well as showing how gist data maps to regions within the cards. Mar 20 15:51:27 jkridner: should i copy and send the implementation part of the project to the mailing list? there i will receive your comments? Mar 20 15:51:33 abarbarosie: yes. Mar 20 15:51:56 jkridner, I have emailed Rittman and Rob Nelson Mar 20 15:52:02 jkridner: i think you maybe confusing me with someone else. Mar 20 15:52:09 I'm also asking at #debian-arm and #debian-mentors Mar 20 15:52:44 electrobuz: I've mentioned on the list and here a few times I'm more likely to give useful feedback by posting as much information as is reasonable (you might not want to make all of your proposal details available to all the other students) on the list such that I can reply line-by-line. Melange only lets me provide general comments. Mar 20 15:52:46 jkridner: the latest documentation *10March 2014* does say anything about it, but I will ask Tom Rini Mar 20 15:52:54 wiznerd: great. Mar 20 15:53:19 wiznerd: I saw Rob and Robert weren't responsive on e-mail, but I'm about to get on a call with them. Mar 20 15:53:40 abarbarosie: you might try looking at the code as well. Mar 20 15:53:57 jkridner: you are discarting cards then? Mar 20 15:54:15 yeah, that's a good idea, ty Mar 20 15:55:02 DiegoTc: no, I still like the idea, but I don't see it reflected in the mockups in a way that seems really useful. Mar 20 15:55:15 jkridner, okay. I was trying to ask you yesterday - are there any tasks on BoneScript itself not listed on the ideas page? like testing? which I could add to my proposal? Mar 20 15:55:16 DiegoTc: take the "code" page, for example... Mar 20 15:55:32 You had mentioned that I could add testing and usability in the review you left at melange Mar 20 15:55:44 DiegoTc: there is still a lot of space taken by the left-hand nav and I'm not sure what that is showing. Mar 20 15:56:19 DiegoTc: also, there is a lot of space taken up by a box around another box... Mar 20 15:56:25 DiegoTc: what is going in each of those boxes? Mar 20 15:57:43 jkridner: put it on the mailing list. will wait for your comments ;) Mar 20 16:02:46 jkridner: in the mockup there are the two views. Creating and viewing it. When you click in the bottom Create. A new Windows appears and you select all what type of "Card" you want You can add as many cards. This is not going to be the Read All page. Just for creating it. Mar 20 16:12:25 jkridner, any comments? Mar 20 16:17:13 jkridner: i don't know if you got what I was trying to do Mar 20 16:27:50 rseethamraju: just left feedback on melange Mar 20 16:45:45 alexanderhiam: Thanks not DAC I meant PWM and UART Mar 20 16:46:14 ok Mar 20 17:33:01 alexanderhiam: added the community impact section Mar 20 17:33:52 please have a look. does this seem like a complete proposal? If the timeline well divided? Mar 20 17:34:00 *Is Mar 20 17:36:25 electrobuz: it seems reasonable to me, I've never worked with starterware so I don't really have a good idea of how long each part will take Mar 20 17:37:26 yes, me neither, that is why I have try to keep it well spaced :) Is there anything else you think I should change/add? Mar 20 17:37:53 alexanderhiam: also will you be interested to mentor for this project?? Mar 20 17:39:55 I wonder if you should be focusing more on Energia integration as you go instead of at the end Mar 20 17:41:21 I might be pretty booked as far as mentoring goes, but I may be interested in helping out some Mar 20 17:41:56 alexanderhiam : how many projects are you looking forward to mentor :) Mar 20 17:42:39 jkridner suggested that it might not be very difficult to implement, considering the work done in #userspace-arduino last year. But yes, I will take this into consideration and modify the timeline after some thought Mar 20 17:43:13 karki: not sure, depends on co-mentors, etc. Mar 20 17:43:35 I see! any one else pitching in for PyBBIO? Mar 20 17:43:41 alexanderhiam: I am not very sure about the mentors I would get for this project, didnt get any reply so far, it will be great to have your support if possible :) Mar 20 17:44:24 alexanderhiam : I mean mentors. Mar 20 17:46:31 jkridner : ping Mar 20 17:46:37 alexanderhiam: Not meaning to bug you :P, But is not possible for you to think about this as a prospective project to mentor? Mar 20 17:47:01 karki: not really so far, everyone's kind of got there own area Mar 20 17:48:10 karki: I think jkridner is quite bussy Mar 20 17:48:17 waiting for him in the morning Mar 20 17:48:27 electrobuz: I could possibly co-mentor, I wouldn't be able to be the only mentor though Mar 20 17:50:02 alexanderhiam: good to hear! :D even co-mentor would be great!! i hope that jkridner could also help if he has the time. Mar 20 18:00:18 alexanderhiam : Is it necessary to have 3 mentors for PyBBIO? (I remember Jason mentioning that all projects will have about 3 mentors ) Mar 20 18:01:14 oh I don't know, I'm a GSoC newb... Mar 20 18:02:09 karki: it is not necessary, but it is ideal, as jkridner said yesterday, you wouldnt want to over-strain the mentors.. Mar 20 18:06:05 alexanderhiam : I hope I'm not over straining you ;) Mar 20 18:07:29 I'm not too worried about it Mar 20 18:13:36 karki: actually on that note, it's possible there'd be more mentor interest in the PRU project, or even more of a hybrid of your two ideas Mar 20 18:27:05 alexanderhiam : I see. But what do you mean by hybrid of the two? Mar 20 18:28:27 karki: like with more focus on the end-user API (integration with PyBBIO, bonescript , etc.) Mar 20 18:30:15 alexanderhiam : well, I need the interpreter to work first! :-p Mar 20 18:30:38 karki: that would certainly help! Mar 20 18:31:24 karki: but I wonder about a more simplified interpreter + more support in existing libraries Mar 20 18:32:07 alexanderhiam : that would requite me to tweak my timelines a bit! Mar 20 18:32:13 *require Mar 20 18:33:42 true, just something to think about Mar 20 18:36:37 alexanderhiam : I think it should be possible. Just that during the community feedback I was told to focus only on C libraries for the GSoC. (probably because implementing a few decent features for the interpreter itself will be time consuming - given poor documentation!) Mar 20 18:39:45 karki: yeah, that would certainly eat up a lot of time, I'm just thinking in terms of deliverables to the community it would be ideal to have at least some very basic support in a couple existing libraries Mar 20 18:41:25 alexanderhiam : The examples and documentation will be in C. In case I do that project for GSoC, I plan to add Python support immediately after GSoC. Mar 20 18:42:04 Jason told he will take care of the Node.js libraries. Mar 20 18:42:22 ok, cool Mar 20 18:42:34 I remember seeing that on the proposal now Mar 20 18:42:35 So we can have PyBBIO and bonescript extensions very soon! Mar 20 18:43:10 alexanderhiam : Good night! Long day tomorrow. Mar 20 18:43:30 gn Mar 20 18:47:02 alexanderhiam: you mean accessing gpios /dev/mem, creating the memory mapping in c and then adding python bindings? Mar 20 18:51:01 rseethamraju: yeah, the mmaping is already done C: https://github.com/alexanderhiam/PyBBIO/blob/master/bbio/platform/util/mmap_util.c and there's a C extension for basic register manipulation: https://github.com/alexanderhiam/PyBBIO/blob/master/bbio/platform/beaglebone/src/beaglebone.c Mar 20 18:51:51 oh! got it! Mar 20 18:53:05 alexanderhiam:are the timelines fine? Mar 20 18:53:25 don't use mmap for gpio please Mar 20 18:53:34 it's plainly broken Mar 20 18:54:05 panto: I use the sysfs driver to export the pins then mmap for reading/writing Mar 20 18:54:23 why? Mar 20 18:54:23 panto: the issue is file IO is super slow in Python Mar 20 18:55:00 there are a lot of problems using that method Mar 20 18:55:10 a) It's essentially a giant security hole Mar 20 18:55:28 b) No one guarantees anything about concurrent accesses to the same registers Mar 20 18:56:31 IIRC there's an IIO output capability Mar 20 18:56:37 which should be faster Mar 20 18:56:58 panto: both true. for some security I only mmap IO related memory, and I use the SETDATAOUT and CLEARDATAOUT registers which help with concurrency Mar 20 18:57:38 I'm not against using iio, I just started using that method before there was the best driver support Mar 20 18:57:57 it's just a bad habit due to RPi Mar 20 18:58:07 hang on Mar 20 18:58:17 it's best to do it right Mar 20 18:58:51 looking for info.. Mar 20 19:00:43 panto: I picked that habit up on the Chumby Hacker Board, which had no real driver support Mar 20 19:01:35 yeah, you got to make things work Mar 20 19:01:48 but a kernel based IIO solution would be best Mar 20 19:05:15 panto: yeah, I've been moved mostly towards kernel drivers (esp. since 3.8), but speed has been a big concern with GPIO Mar 20 19:06:34 even if you manage to toggle something fast in userland it's all for naught Mar 20 19:06:42 cause there are no timing guarantees Mar 20 19:07:04 so you got to let the kernel do the toggling Mar 20 19:07:13 or even hardware Mar 20 19:08:46 ok, the closest thing there is to an output is drivers/iio/frequency Mar 20 19:08:53 but it's not exactly what you want Mar 20 19:09:06 panto: oh haven't seen that Mar 20 19:09:19 what you want is to use it as a base for a gpio-based frequency generators Mar 20 19:09:29 and then extend it as an arbitrary function generator Mar 20 19:09:39 there's the concept of triggers and syncing in iio Mar 20 19:09:44 iio is isolated i/o right? Mar 20 19:09:50 industrial I/O Mar 20 19:11:17 so, in a nutshell, what you would do is submit a batch of 'commands' synced with other pins you're interested about for input Mar 20 19:11:27 it is considerably harder than /dev/mem for sure Mar 20 19:12:06 it's up to you - go with /dev/mem to get something to work, but try to think of the big picture Mar 20 19:13:58 yeah, general compatibility is one of my main goals, mmaped GPIO is probably the weakest point for that Mar 20 19:14:15 fwiw, the maintainer is reasonable Mar 20 19:14:23 and mdp was thinking about something similar Mar 20 19:14:27 you should talk Mar 20 19:14:57 av500: I updated my proposal, I changed my timeline and also updated other sections. Comments please ? Mar 20 19:15:18 panto, it was more a theoretical hack value discussion we had IIRC ;) Mar 20 19:15:21 vvu|Log: ping Mar 20 19:15:40 praveendath92|PC: pong Mar 20 19:16:02 panto, that it would be possible to stream pwm wave form in a userspace exposed buffer..and use that to bitbang that at a given frequency Mar 20 19:16:17 I updated my proposal. Can you give your feedback ? Mar 20 19:17:23 panto, as always, all roads like this lead to the PRU Mar 20 19:18:30 praveendath92|PC: l8er tonight Mar 20 19:18:48 Sure. I can wait. Mar 20 19:18:52 praveendath92|PC: 2morrow mighty gods of university decided i should have a midterm at macroeconomics :) Mar 20 19:19:30 What the ? They decided you should have a midterm ? Mar 20 19:19:55 yeah, have a midterm scheduled 2morrow :) Mar 20 19:20:00 Hi Mar 20 19:20:50 anyway i'm off, will ping you l8er Mar 20 19:20:51 Oh ! I thought it was specially for you alone ;) Macroeconomics ! Good luck :) Mar 20 19:21:12 Ciao later :) Mar 20 19:21:20 gotta run, thanks for the tips panto Mar 20 19:26:30 vvu|Log: Best of Luck for your midterms :) Mar 20 19:30:56 <_av500_> praveendath92|PC: later Mar 20 19:31:22 hello mdp Mar 20 19:31:26 ok. I'll wait. Mar 20 19:39:37 <_av500_> praveendath92|PC: done Mar 20 19:41:21 av500: Did you get a chance to view my proposal? any comments/suggestions? Mar 20 19:41:29 @_av500_: Thanks. Will make changes accordingly :) Mar 20 19:42:08 <_av500_> electrobuz: sec Mar 20 19:44:17 it will be great if you provides comments on melange. i can sort them out together :) Mar 20 19:46:48 <_av500_> done Mar 20 19:47:02 <_av500_> but I need to leave now for a while Mar 20 19:47:12 <_av500_> feel free to reply on melange Mar 20 20:38:15 panto: ping Mar 20 20:38:28 Abhishek_, pong Mar 20 20:38:57 could you give answer 3 / 3 to the community impact section in my proposal? Mar 20 20:50:01 panto:can you please review my proposal on melange? its under rseetham Mar 20 20:52:56 ok, will do so a bit later Mar 20 20:55:59 Good night :) Mar 20 20:56:26 gnight Mar 20 20:59:45 k thanks =) Mar 20 20:59:52 gnight Mar 20 21:01:15 jkridner: Can you see the mockup with the given link? Mar 20 21:03:52 which link? Mar 20 21:04:17 I have posted a link on the group Mar 20 21:04:34 * jkridner knows he asks people to go search for things and also to avoid making him search... depends who is asking whom for help. Mar 20 21:05:22 * Abhishek_ *nods* Mar 20 21:07:15 The diagram has been rendered with WaveDrom Mar 20 21:07:58 *sigh* Mar 20 21:08:13 * jkridner goes ahead and looks at the group messages Mar 20 21:10:06 ExtremeGTX: this is the place to ask GSoC-related stuff Mar 20 21:10:38 ExtremeGTX: proposals are for public discussion. Mar 20 21:10:51 unless you really have a reason to have it be private. Mar 20 21:11:19 There are other potential mentors here besides me and that helps both get you faster/better responses and save my time. Mar 20 21:11:34 Some things are indeed private, but "Hi" never is! Mar 20 21:12:13 about project time line, this is my first time to be participate in a project like this so i want a help in adjusting my time line Mar 20 21:12:37 ExtremeGTX: makes sense.... what things do you question? Mar 20 21:12:41 the main parts of dt tool is GUI with On-Screen Board, Parser, Generator Mar 20 21:13:01 like what's the PIN to the account? ;) Mar 20 21:13:18 i can't determine the time needed for each task Mar 20 21:13:25 mdp: If you are available, could I request you for comments on my proposal? Mar 20 21:14:14 i can work on them all to build something simple then testing and this is will be first milestone Mar 20 21:15:16 then support more features in each component, test and make the second milestone in around 8 Weeks Mar 20 21:15:28 is this correct or not ? Mar 20 21:19:29 Hey jkridner Mar 20 21:19:35 did you read my last message? Mar 20 21:21:20 howdy... going through all unread messages on the list due to Abhishek_'s prod. Mar 20 21:21:56 see you in 2015, jkridner ;) Mar 20 21:24:07 tried installing QEMU on linux mint 10 Julia CD version but i have broken packages here is the error on my terminal: olouge@olouge-Latitude-D600 ~ $ sudo apt-get install linaro-image-tools [sudo] password for olouge: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are usin Mar 20 21:24:55 trying to setup an environment for the GSoC 2014 session Mar 20 21:40:26 jkridner: I love this link: http://learn.adafruit.com/category/beaglebone Mar 20 21:40:35 :-) Mar 20 21:40:51 ds2: fortunately, *only* the beagleboard-gsoc list. Mar 20 21:42:01 jkridner: that was your card concept? Mar 20 21:42:20 no, just closer to it some ways than your current mockups Mar 20 21:43:03 i will work based on that, but with the gist option Mar 20 21:43:09 and I will include some examples Mar 20 21:43:14 not only empty spaces Mar 20 21:46:31 i want to implement a remote temperature sensing drone with the beagleboard black with use of beaglebone script, sensorCape and yaler relay infrastrucutre ideas. How will this help the community ? Mar 20 21:47:53 sorry, failed to comment on you link: http://learn.adafruit.com/category/beaglebone. checked it out and it is Interesting Mar 20 21:59:30 all this talk about userspace drivers is really depressing Mar 20 21:59:36 wtf bother with linux Mar 20 22:03:37 * Abhishek_ is waiting for jkridner's response Mar 20 22:04:34 ds2: bitbang all things from userspace... Mar 20 22:11:39 mranostay, ds2: https://theembeddedkitchen.mybalsamiq.com/mockups/1663073.png?key=c0dc89889f2abc5817f880fb8d180913d2da0033 , UI mockup Mar 20 22:12:58 <_av500_> \o/ Comic Sans Mar 20 22:13:07 <_av500_> I vote only for this project Mar 20 22:13:40 <_av500_> praveendath92: please make your project also use Comic Sans! Mar 20 22:14:38 Abhishek_, are you here? Mar 20 22:14:47 yes Mar 20 22:15:04 exactly what am I to answer in your application? Mar 20 22:15:47 The section on community impact, wherein I have to take inputs from you all. Mar 20 22:16:34 I hate melange : Mar 20 22:16:42 so just add a comment right? Mar 20 22:17:12 Yes Mar 20 22:21:00 _av500_: my math professor uses too comic sans...his slides are just fun to read :) Mar 20 22:22:26 Abhishek_: I like the new mockup Mar 20 22:22:58 :) Mar 20 22:24:36 anyone know how to get LimeChat to auto-reply to anyone who sends me private messages and tell them to ask on #beagle-gsoc or #beagle? Mar 20 22:25:06 don't think you can, had it before on my Mac and i ditched it :) Mar 20 22:25:18 jkridner: IRSSI saved my life :) Mar 20 22:27:12 i want to implement a remote temperature sensing drone with the beagleboard black with use of beaglebone script, sensorCape and yaler relay infrastrucutre ideas. How will this help the community ? Mar 20 23:21:45 jkridner: I have updated my proposal Mar 20 23:21:53 k Mar 20 23:21:58 in melange? Mar 20 23:22:22 yes Mar 20 23:23:02 could you leave me some feedbacks please Mar 20 23:32:27 jkridner: What would be your preference of interactive tools for building (HTML) frontends I could try ? Mar 20 23:32:59 As simple as will do the job. Mar 20 23:33:07 * jkridner is more of a backend guy. Mar 20 23:33:32 Abhishek_: what do you mean by interactive tools? Mar 20 23:34:05 alexanderhiam: ah, good question. gui mockup tools are fine, but the HTML should be clean by hand. Mar 20 23:34:17 yeah that's what I'm thinking Mar 20 23:34:34 * jkridner was thinking more about dynamic frameworks for transitions, etc. Mar 20 23:34:38 HTML automagic generation NEVER works well Mar 20 23:34:39 not for authoring. Mar 20 23:35:07 like jquery-wizard vs. angularjs Mar 20 23:35:33 sure, snazzy javascript libraries are always fun! Mar 20 23:36:56 I see Mar 20 23:39:53 hmmm.... AngularJS seems to not embed the content in the page, but use Ajaxy fetches for it. Some of that will have to go on, but I'd hope as litle as possible because I'd like to be highly searchable by search engines. Mar 20 23:41:08 this jquery-wizard stuff looks a bit more my speed: http://jsfiddle.net/conzett/pVE9R/light/ Mar 20 23:41:24 would be nice to be prettier though Mar 20 23:42:15 yeah that's a good one, HTML forms are annoying Mar 20 23:43:08 So, I am now adding the inputs I have received from you all into my proposal. Would quoting the inputs, as said by you all (mostly a line or two) be fine, or would it be better to elaborate your inputs to a paragraph? Mar 20 23:45:01 jkridner, Hi. Topic we discussed � https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard-gsoc/hJmoD63TqTA. Mar 20 23:45:52 hi, yes. hard to comment on the google doc in the e-mail thread. Mar 20 23:46:20 you can update the proposal after the submission deadline *if* mentors have questions they want you to answer on the proposal. Mar 20 23:46:49 either way, best to get it as close to finished as you can and submitted ahead of the deadline. Mar 20 23:47:39 Yeah, we are trying to do it. BTW you should be able to comment in google doc. Mar 20 23:48:24 not much in that timeline yet. Mar 20 23:48:49 BeaglePilot mentors tempted to go node.js route? Mar 20 23:49:01 * jkridner is naturally a big fan of node.js Mar 20 23:49:27 jkridner: you don't say ;) Mar 20 23:49:38 That's just idea. I hope so. Mar 20 23:50:43 Timeline should be filled soon. There's actually realy floating schedule. Mar 20 23:50:52 heh... and others are less so ;) Mar 20 23:56:14 mikehhawley: it seems kinda vague about what exactly a module is. Does that just refer to a TypeScript class, or do you have a broader definition? Mar 20 23:57:39 You can look for example at some sensor classes in node-experiment repo. Mar 20 23:58:34 Module should be like real module with API. Class is TypeScript class. Mar 21 00:00:31 so the each box in the diagram in the README is a module? Mar 21 00:00:55 Sure. Mar 21 00:01:21 But it's not completely related to framework for GSoC. Mar 21 00:01:34 I mean, these terms should be described as userspace. Mar 21 00:02:02 As they contain business logic. Mar 21 00:03:02 Experiment shows, that it's possible to use native Node.js means to work on low level. And provides basics for further framework. Mar 21 00:03:09 ok. It would be good to provide some more of the lower level technical details behind the high level modular framework you describe Mar 21 00:03:54 in the proposal I mean Mar 21 00:04:10 I understand, but these details would be framework parts' details. Mar 21 00:04:48 And as parts appear in framework, they should be documented. Mar 21 00:08:02 And framework at the top is like more abstract thing. Mar 21 00:09:27 yeah I'm just saying it would be good to get a bit more technical in the description to give an idea of how you'll build that abstraction Mar 21 00:10:41 Yes, ok. Mar 21 00:12:09 alexanderhiam, so... do you advise to add more technical info and timeline and after send proposal? Mar 21 00:14:19 you could always submit it now and leave a note that it's in progress Mar 21 00:15:31 Can we use link to google drive in content of melange proposal? Mar 21 00:16:37 it isn't can you or can you not... it is more of - will be people be willing to read it that way Mar 21 00:17:14 I think it also needs to be static in melange before the deadline Mar 21 00:19:25 loyd & mikehhawley: this is a joint project? Mar 21 00:19:33 Yes. Mar 21 00:20:00 have you sorted out the logistics of that? Mar 21 00:20:51 I think so. What do you mean by logistics? Mar 21 00:21:53 well I think you'd each want to propose working on a different chunk of the work Mar 21 00:22:21 you mentioned you had discussed this with jkridner, did that come up? Mar 21 00:23:23 No, we discussed just idea of project. Mar 21 00:23:36 And yes, we should work on different parts of framework. Mar 21 00:24:01 Be sure to clearly state in the respective proposals what parts you are working on. Mar 21 00:26:41 There is "additional URL" field, where we are also going to place link to document, in which these terms will be updated. Is it ok? Mar 21 00:27:25 I mean filled. Mar 21 00:29:50 Oh, yeah, that's ok. Mar 21 00:38:38 I am in the process of applying to beagleboards gsoc and was wondering if anyone would like to give me their feedback for the project that I would like to do and the project is listed under elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas and is Bonescript web pages with live-running examples and documentation and answer the question of what impact would this project have on you as a community member of beagleboards Mar 21 00:41:42 Tartarus: ping Mar 21 00:42:08 abarbarosie, semi-pong Mar 21 00:42:21 :) Mar 21 00:42:33 gishmel: submit your proposal to melange or post it on the mailing list (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/beagleboard-gsoc) to get feedback on it Mar 21 00:42:48 when you are free, can you please chek my proposal and give some feedback Mar 21 00:43:19 I've updated some stuff and the new version is on the mailing list and melange Mar 21 00:47:00 https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2014/abarbarosie/5629499534213120 or ? Mar 21 00:49:09 it's not in a state that I can comment on it Mar 21 01:14:24 arrrggg spam Mar 21 01:15:40 abarbarosie: you uploaded on melange the latest version? Mar 21 01:15:48 yes Mar 21 01:15:52 if so post there a comment so all metors can receive update Mar 21 01:16:08 On melange? Mar 21 01:16:16 yes Mar 21 01:20:41 Tartarus: yes that one, sorry I was unatentive to the chat Mar 21 01:22:04 ds2: could you review the proposal as well and give some feedback? Mar 21 01:31:20 I see the world 'gui' and I worry. Mar 21 01:33:20 ds2: my GUI works always with black and green Mar 21 01:34:23 vvu|Log: yes then someone decides they don't like it Mar 21 01:34:30 it becomes a never ending death spiral Mar 21 01:34:52 hey vvu|Log, how did your midterm go? Mar 21 01:35:04 after my unholy experience with Apple GUIs i changed to i3wm Mar 21 01:35:21 Abhishek_: having it 2morrow Mar 21 01:35:48 now i have some slides in front of me that say smth like "inflation and interest rates"... Mar 21 01:36:10 * vvu|Log thinks how useful is macroeconomics for some coding that i will do Mar 21 01:36:15 Oh my econ Mar 21 01:36:30 ds2: that is what was required for the project :) Mar 21 01:36:38 you do eventually want to get paid, right? Mar 21 01:36:52 "macro"economics :P Mar 21 01:37:02 me? Mar 21 01:37:21 ds2: paid in bitcoins Mar 21 01:37:24 abarbarosie: I am a low level nuts and bolts person so I will not comment much on it. the other stuff looks for the most part fine as a way to make the flasher more useable Mar 21 01:37:40 vvu|Log: those are still subject to supply, demand, and interest rate behaviors Mar 21 01:38:02 and recent trends do not suggest well in favour of bitcoins Mar 21 01:38:38 and if you have to borrow bitcoins, the interest rate might be high Mar 21 01:38:52 risk of the bitcoins going away is high Mar 21 01:38:58 totally relevant ;) Mar 21 01:38:59 ds2: yep, add functionality and modularity to the process Mar 21 01:39:03 run for my bitcoins Mar 21 01:39:46 * ds2 waits for someone to demand fastboot support for abarbarosie's project ;) Mar 21 01:40:04 :D Mar 21 01:40:24 ds2: does u-boot has fastboot support ? Mar 21 01:40:31 too many damn protocols in an overly fat bootloader Mar 21 01:40:42 vvu|Log: there are patches floating around to add that Mar 21 01:41:53 if someone asks for fastboot the project should be smth like "porting a small android bootloading part to BBB" Mar 21 01:42:34 fastboot can do most of what the DFU stuff can do Mar 21 01:42:54 yeah but now i think is too late for abarbarosie to change his proposal Mar 21 01:43:18 hehe Mar 21 01:43:41 I don't care which protocol dejour is used Mar 21 01:44:15 * vvu|Log wants to see this project being used by somebody Mar 21 01:44:23 in the end, if it cuts down on number of mails asking for help on reflashing their boards, it is a good project Mar 21 01:44:32 and that is definitely value Mar 21 01:44:59 ds2: believe me i have a folder in my gmail just with conversations with random people on how to use that thingie of mine Mar 21 01:45:25 vvu|Log: *nod* Mar 21 01:47:18 some of em used that thingie as reference for usb booting, seems like nobody did it before fully to Linux on the AM335x Mar 21 01:47:22 at least from my knowledge Mar 21 01:47:49 ds2: I never knew about the mail problem, is it okay If I add this to my proposal under "impact on community" having you as a reffrence? Mar 21 02:11:34 abarbarosie: sure Mar 21 02:11:37 got to go Mar 21 02:17:08 you will be back by? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 21 02:59:58 2014