**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 11 02:59:58 2014 Apr 11 03:35:11 tridge: ping Apr 11 03:36:44 hi Apr 11 03:37:18 tridge: was sleeping when you pinged me... Apr 11 03:38:08 i was just reponding to pings from you and _av500_ Apr 11 03:39:45 tridge: yeah, as av500 and jkridner has mentioned there has some issues regarding mentor participation for beaglepilot Apr 11 03:40:38 oh? Apr 11 03:40:39 hi tridge... just wanting some more interaction regarding planned slot allocation. Apr 11 03:40:47 jkridner: ahh, ok Apr 11 03:40:52 on -mentors now? Apr 11 03:40:54 * jkridner is about to sleep Apr 11 03:40:55 yes Apr 11 13:20:27 Hi VoltVisionSteve Apr 11 13:20:56 DiegoTC: good morning! Apr 11 13:21:06 Good Morning :) Apr 11 13:21:13 what timezone are you in? Apr 11 13:21:34 I don't know the USA time zones. Right now it's 7:21AM Apr 11 13:21:52 I am in EST and it is now 9:21am Apr 11 13:22:50 checking google it says I'm MDT Apr 11 13:22:59 Are you in the same timezone as Guatemala? Apr 11 13:23:09 yes Apr 11 13:23:44 Cool, I have a lot of friends there and several of them are from Honduras Apr 11 13:24:00 that's cool Apr 11 13:24:11 VoltVisionSteve: I have you some questions Apr 11 13:24:21 ok Apr 11 13:24:45 Could you be a little more detail when you mean the 3 phases: display, author and tutorials Apr 11 13:25:06 I'm guessing the display is the way the final user is going to see the work Apr 11 13:25:17 but I'm not quite sure if you mean that Apr 11 13:26:40 Hold one minute... I am checking my chat history with jkridner yesterday.... Apr 11 13:28:52 ok Apr 11 13:30:41 DiegoTc: yes, the "display" phase is pretty much how the system looks, how the final user sees the system interface.... jkridner and I were discussing that we don't think you can do a good authoring part until you have a good display part. Apr 11 13:31:17 what do you mean with authoring part? Apr 11 13:31:28 ...good display engages end-users and makes them feel good about using the system. Apr 11 13:34:03 Ok the display part i got it Apr 11 13:34:22 the author phase Apr 11 13:34:31 what were you thinking about? Apr 11 13:35:30 DiegoTc: I am assuming that by "authoring", jkridner was referring to the "behind the scenes plumbing and programming" that makes the system work...although I am not exactly sure. Apr 11 13:36:50 The main thought was that if it doesnt look good and flow good, then people wont use it and thus it is a waste of time. Apr 11 13:37:12 Exactly! Apr 11 13:37:37 Not sure if you responded elsewhere, but how is your JS/HTML/CSS skills? Apr 11 13:39:06 Good! That's my strong part Apr 11 13:40:45 that's the main reason I decided to go with this proposal. Involves a lot of software which I what I like and involves hardware as well, and that's something I like :) Apr 11 13:43:17 VoltVisionSteve and the last phase tutoring? I though that was with the second part of author Apr 11 13:44:45 DiegoTc: I think the last phase being "tutorials" means that AFTER the system looks great and works great, THEN you start to transfer all the tutorials into your new system....and build new tutorials. Apr 11 13:45:05 ahhhh!!! That's right Apr 11 13:45:25 ...but the system has to look great first, then work great 2nd, then use it 3rd Apr 11 13:45:28 I was thinking in spanish Apr 11 13:45:53 ok, I will work in the display right now, and let you know Apr 11 13:45:55 thanks Apr 11 13:46:44 I will be around my computer all day if you have any questions.... Do you know of a way for me to get IRC chats on my iPhone if I step out for lunch or leave for a while? Apr 11 13:48:35 not really. I guess you could install an IRC client on your iphone Apr 11 13:48:36 https://itunes.apple.com/es/app/colloquy-irc-client/id302000478?mt=8 Apr 11 13:48:44 VoltVisionSteve: by "authoring", I was talking about the web pages that help you create tutorials. Apr 11 13:49:27 DiegoTc had spent a lot of time thinking about making the tutorial authoring tool, but I think making sure we can present the tutorials in a good fashion first from gist.github.com is more critical. Apr 11 13:52:14 VoltVisionSteve, DiegoTc: I agree with the comments of look great first, work great second and have great content third. Apr 11 13:52:52 jkridner thanks for clarifying. I got you. Work on this today. Apr 11 13:53:14 I was hoping to leverage some content hosted at gist.github.com to use to prototype the "looks great" part. Apr 11 13:54:00 The existing tutorials need to look great and the most complex thing I imagine is the quickbot build instructions. Apr 11 13:56:56 jkridner: So, DiegoTc's main proposal action item now is to mockup the "looks great" part more, right? The good news is that DiegoTc is strong with HTML/CSS/JS! Apr 11 13:57:17 revisit the schedule as well. Apr 11 13:57:54 if some proof-of-concept on the gist-to-webpage integration is required, let me know. Apr 11 13:58:22 jkridner one more question you want a mockup right now or a html template? Apr 11 13:59:07 or you want to check the mockup, and the I pass that to hmtl? Apr 11 13:59:54 I always get excited about seeing an HTML template, but probably best to align me, VoltVisionSteve, jongseuk and dschelt on the mock-ups before starting as (if approved), we'd be the likely mentors. Apr 11 14:01:10 https://github.com/blairvanderhoof/gist-embed is interesting for information on embedding gists. Apr 11 14:01:21 Ok! one more question jkridner is there a time limit for the mockup? today, or monday morning will be fine? Apr 11 14:01:31 of course the jsfiddle stuff shows more what is possible. Apr 11 14:03:14 I don't think the mockups are going to be the decisive factor as to if this proposal is accepted or not, personally. I think the more critical aspects to determining approval are seeing how you work with the possible mentors and our estimation of your coding skills. Apr 11 14:04:18 hmmm... seems pretty simple to fetch raw data with gist: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/blairvanderhoof/a85770344febb8e30935/raw/f13836e5a46f3af976cd136169865fdc0e12fd3c/example.html Apr 11 14:06:00 jkridner: I was looking right now at this google blog post how they embed the gist: http://googlegeodevelopers.blogspot.com/2014/04/build-map-infographic-with-google-maps.html Apr 11 14:07:33 Jkridner: yesterday you had mentioned "I'm thinking we need to work with him on a specification for what goes in a gist...", should that be a proposal action item for now? Apr 11 14:08:17 VoltVisionSteve: have you heard this "card" idea I was pushing with DiegoTc? Apr 11 14:09:08 VoltVisionSteve: yeah, but I think it might follow mock-ups in some regards. We need to have a clear mapping of how the gists are organized before coding starts. Apr 11 14:09:19 jkridner: Yes, to make each component look like a "Beaglebone card"...then the entire tutorial is a deck of cards? Apr 11 14:09:38 right, and you flip through the cards to experience the tutorial... Apr 11 14:10:07 and it can be possible to spread them out vertically so you can scroll through them as well.... and *possibly* print. Apr 11 14:10:14 ...if the content on one card is "long", then the card itself has a scroll window? Apr 11 14:10:22 * jkridner is wondering what the dimensions of an expanded "card" should be. Apr 11 14:10:51 ...time for an html mockup? Apr 11 14:11:29 VoltVisionSteve: perhaps, but I'd want to avoid having a scroller for the whole thing. The idea is to give people a window in which they can make their tutorials look nice... under a specific layout, much like people do for phone apps. Apr 11 14:12:58 Must look great on Laptop = YES, must look great on Tablet/iPad = YES, must look great on phone = ? Apr 11 14:13:08 probably not.... Apr 11 14:13:22 tablet size and small laptop seems like the right target. Apr 11 14:13:37 I mean, we have circuit drawings after all. Apr 11 14:14:05 scrolling all over the page feels like a "bad thing" to me. Apr 11 14:14:23 we need to be able to break things down into bite-size chunks for easy learning. Apr 11 14:14:34 for this project, I agree. Apr 11 14:15:02 I keep thinking back on the quickbot and how the drawings would need to look for it to be easy to assemble. Apr 11 14:15:36 it was done in slide format, which isn't SO different, but it lacks the interactive code to *test* the connections at reasonable points. Apr 11 14:16:05 having these layouts also opens the possibility to add interactive controls. Apr 11 14:16:24 DiegoTC: jkridner was mentioning that the quickbot represents one of the most challenging tutorials to implement....maybe that would be good to use for your testing/development? Apr 11 14:17:08 ...then everything else will be easy! Apr 11 14:18:37 VoltVisionSteve, jkridner could you give me an explanation of the quickbot Apr 11 14:18:45 it is a lot of content to input... more thinking about it for mock-ups. Apr 11 14:18:54 I think it's the first time I listen that topic Apr 11 14:18:55 jkridner: yes, interactive controls within the tutorials seems awesome and I look forward to it! Apr 11 14:18:58 DiegoTc: remember that doc I provided you on our hangout? Apr 11 14:19:04 yes Apr 11 14:19:05 you still have that, right? Apr 11 14:19:16 that doc is how to build the quickbot. Apr 11 14:19:32 it has a bunch of fritzing diagrams. Apr 11 14:19:52 and a BOM. Apr 11 14:20:15 Ahhh, I remember I was thinking about an IRC bot Apr 11 14:20:52 VoltVisionSteve: you've seen https://learn.adafruit.com/category/beaglebone, right? very nice, but doesn't have the "standard size" aspect to it or standard layouts broken down for common content. Apr 11 14:21:45 jkridner: the "cards" are going to look something like this: http://screencast.com/t/sESW4LkB Apr 11 14:22:03 * jkridner feels the side gutters with nav pane (left) and products (right) take up too much space. Apr 11 14:22:19 jkridner: Yes, I have been watching the Adafruit Learning system for quite some time, but it seems to have all changed layout/format very recently. Apr 11 14:22:40 yeah, I think the layout change they just made is an improvement. Apr 11 14:23:06 DiegoTc: I'd want to make a default layout that is simpler for people making new tutorials.... Apr 11 14:23:24 jkridner: yes, that's the google drive preview. That has to change of course Apr 11 14:24:01 for example, for that page, I could just have a gist with some HTML for text instructions, a picture and a fritzing diagram, rather than having the author make such a custom layout Apr 11 14:25:07 jkridner: I agree about the gutters taking up too much space and the header is huge to ... Apr 11 14:25:48 try to think of the typical content we'd want on a tutorial "card" and some standard layouts. enabling a custom layout is fine, but code, text, diagrams, pictures, etc. should all be easy without needing to create or HTML and *never* worrying about CSS in the gist. Apr 11 14:27:23 ok Apr 11 14:29:23 DiegoTc: are you clear now on everything? Apr 11 14:30:03 VoltVisionSteve: yes Apr 11 14:30:06 thanks Apr 11 14:30:44 Sounds great! I will be here most of the day if you need anything. ... I will listen for the beep. Apr 11 14:32:07 jkridner: Thanks for jumping in to help me clarify! Have a great day. Apr 11 14:32:56 VoltVisionSteve: thanks for jumping in! Apr 11 14:35:35 thanks for both VoltVisionSteve jkridner Apr 11 14:36:00 this is fun! Apr 11 16:37:32 Hello! Apr 11 17:15:43 morning Apr 11 17:20:13 jkridner: is it the same quickbot that was used on a Coursera MOOC "Control of Mobile Robots"? Apr 11 17:20:48 yes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 12 02:59:59 2014