**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 18 02:59:58 2015 Mar 18 11:52:05 Will it be okay for a nw.js getting started project to depend on the "Cross platform USB boot" project for the flashing feature? Mar 18 12:50:51 FREEZX: it seems the "cross platform USB boot" project will get priority due to the nw.js project's dependency on it. Mar 18 12:51:03 at least to me. Mar 18 12:55:21 Do we have to follow a specific template for our proposals? Mar 18 12:55:35 hello everyone Mar 18 12:55:56 nerdboy : ping Mar 18 13:01:38 jkridner: Do we have to follow a specific template for our proposals? Mar 18 13:01:55 I thought we provided a template. Mar 18 13:03:37 hmmm... http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#General_requirements doesn't point to the template. Mar 18 13:04:36 jkridner: same as last years? Mar 18 13:05:47 yeah, don't think we changed anything. _av500_, nerdboy, ds2? ^^^ Mar 18 13:06:10 doh, it's blank! Mar 18 13:07:11 you provide a template ? where can I find it ? Mar 18 13:07:59 Will it be okay for a nw.js getting started project to depend on the "Cross platform USB boot" project for the flashing feature? Mar 18 13:08:08 jkridner : can you provide a link to BB proposal template ? Mar 18 13:08:23 * jkridner is looking around for last year's template. Mar 18 13:09:30 jkridner: http://praveenkumar.co.in/blog/2014/05/gsoc-14-proposal-for-beagleorg/ Mar 18 13:09:44 webglider: "Error establishing a database connection" Mar 18 13:10:26 jkridner: yeah it' not working now it was a few days ago Mar 18 13:12:06 jkridner: I have the content downloaded though, I could put it into a txt file if you wish Mar 18 13:13:38 _av500_, alexanderhiam, ds2: any idea where last years application template is? I don't know why I can't find it on the wiki. Mar 18 13:14:27 seems it might have been deleted: http://elinux.org/index.php?title=BeagleBoard%2FGSoC%2FApplication&diff=234764&oldid=234758 Mar 18 13:15:33 Node js gurus! Which editor do you use for developing/debugging MEAN apps? Mar 18 13:15:42 seems this is something that will wait until today's meeting. :-( Mar 18 13:16:03 jkridner : when do we have mentors meet? Mar 18 13:16:23 karki: I expect to hear that from _av500_. Mar 18 13:16:40 * jkridner suggested near the same time as the weekly meeting that is scheduled now. Mar 18 13:16:48 _av500_ , show us the light :D Mar 18 13:17:55 Karki: i use just sublime text Mar 18 13:18:12 thats what I'm using now! Mar 18 13:18:25 lite and nice :) Mar 18 13:18:27 And just put console logs whenever i need to debug Mar 18 13:21:11 Will it be okay for a nw.js getting started project proposal to depend on the "Cross platform USB boot" project idea for the flashing feature? Mar 18 13:21:39 _av500_: a general coaching/reminder e-mail needs to be sent to mentors and aspiring mentors. Mar 18 13:21:47 jkridner: https://gist.github.com/webglider/42c091a6560bf999e290 <- last years template Mar 18 13:22:09 where did you find it? Mar 18 13:23:09 jkridner: praveen had shared his proposal a week or two ago here, I have a cached version of it Mar 18 13:23:33 jkridner: pulled the questions out from there :) Mar 18 13:24:08 * jkridner wonders where praveen found them.... simply because I'd expect it to be easy to find, but I was looking in all the wrong places. Mar 18 13:25:07 jkridner: praveen = praveendath92 it was his lat years proposal Mar 18 13:25:17 ah Mar 18 13:26:26 he's here now :) Mar 18 13:27:15 praveendath92: hey this link on your website is not working: http://praveenkumar.co.in/blog/2014/05/gsoc-14-proposal-for-beagleorg/ Mar 18 13:30:00 webglider: Damn. I will restart my sql server Mar 18 13:31:28 webglider: There you go. Mar 18 13:31:51 I should increase the cron task frequency. Mar 18 13:38:39 praveendath92: thanks :) Mar 18 13:41:23 * jkridner discovers http://git.ti.com/pru-software-support-package Mar 18 13:50:08 jkridner: hopefully somebody rescues it from gitorious before they close Mar 18 13:50:30 gitorious is closing? Mar 18 13:50:40 note that this is TI's instance of Gitorious. Mar 18 13:50:49 * jkridner considers merging it into am335x_pru_package Mar 18 13:51:22 ah Mar 18 13:51:32 yes, gitorious was bought by gitlabs Mar 18 13:53:50 jkridner: git.ti wan't just accessible from inside TI ? Mar 18 13:53:56 as i remember :) Mar 18 13:54:08 vvu: I accessed from a laptop outside the TI firewall. Mar 18 13:54:32 ah maybe i was getting then an inside TI gitorious Mar 18 13:58:28 yeah, there is another gitorious inside TI too. Mar 18 14:18:02 vvu: ping Mar 18 14:18:19 Hello! Mar 18 14:18:27 My name is Gal, I am a student who looks for a projects for Google Summer of code 2015 Mar 18 14:18:36 I am interesting in the "userspace Arduino" implementation project but there is no mentor or any info about it Mar 18 14:18:58 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#Linux_userspace_support_of_embedded_devices_and_interfaces_in_high-level_languages Mar 18 14:19:33 How can I find a bit more information about this project? or who is the mentor? Mar 18 14:19:41 Thanks! Mar 18 14:20:09 regarding : Demo Android Application For BBB Mar 18 14:20:35 cant fetch android source from git://gitorious.org/rowboat/manifest.git Mar 18 14:31:13 vvu: http://bitly.com/1FC0u4o <- This reply says that installing Microsoft Windows Mobile Device Center made the visible Mar 18 14:31:48 vvu: made the *device visible Mar 18 14:37:31 webglider: Mar 18 14:37:39 i will give it a shot when I arrive at university Mar 18 14:37:55 but I want to use libusb...not rely on other tools like bootp server, tftp server and so on Mar 18 14:40:17 vvu: sure. Yeah if we could get libusb working then i guess not much work will be left to make it work on windows Mar 18 14:40:31 vvu: just exploring all possibilities :) Mar 18 14:41:17 document this in your proposal Mar 18 14:42:12 vvu: sure, still working on the proposal Mar 18 14:44:39 did u upload on melange something Mar 18 14:44:40 ? Mar 18 14:45:10 vvu: nope, it's still not ready Mar 18 14:45:30 also for bbblfs if we want to make it work under windows we need to change the build system, not I am using autotools...we need cmake I think so Mar 18 14:45:41 webglider: start putting it on melange so other mentors can see it too Mar 18 14:45:47 don't wait to have a final version Mar 18 14:46:55 vvu: ok I'll do that as soon as it's in state where it's readable Mar 18 15:01:53 1 hour to meeting Mar 18 15:46:03 apaar : I have not seen your proposal on melange. G Docs is okay before proposals open. Once they do it should be on melange. Mar 18 15:48:38 karki :i was having some issues with the Enrollment form(our id cards dont have the year mentioned) and just got that done,Proposal is mostly done will be up in a hour or two max :) Mar 18 15:48:54 cool :) Mar 18 15:49:03 stupid ID cards though :p Mar 18 15:49:50 yep they had 1972(the founding year) on it but nothing else Mar 18 15:55:20 smart people xD Mar 18 15:57:55 * jkridner looks around Mar 18 15:58:12 wonders who all knows about US daylight savings. Mar 18 15:58:27 Abhishek_: apparently does Mar 18 16:00:22 _av500_: what are we doing for a mentor's meeting? Mar 18 16:00:33 _av500_: are you ready to drive agendas for these meetings? Mar 18 16:01:04 * vvu needs to vanish...will read the backlogs. Mar 18 16:01:22 jkridner: if mentors meeting will u push logs to github repo? Mar 18 16:01:40 _av500_: we need to add an application template to https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/preferences/edit/google/gsoc2015/beagleboard Mar 18 16:01:55 vvu: that'd be the idea. Mar 18 16:02:07 ok, will go read once im back Mar 18 16:02:15 vvu: at least that's what we did last year to control access to the logs. Mar 18 16:02:30 _av500_: you around? Mar 18 16:02:56 wait, the meetings at the same time UTC, meaning it's an hour earlier for us now in EDT, right? We should probably just set the meeting time in UTC Mar 18 16:03:23 google invite is the best thing Mar 18 16:03:27 16:30 UTC I think Mar 18 16:03:39 jkridner: I would like a mentors meeting early next week Mar 18 16:03:47 and yes, I can drive these Mar 18 16:03:50 great! Mar 18 16:04:49 with the usual hardship to get all mentors aligned on a time Mar 18 16:04:54 alexanderhiam: I think the invite ended up going out as noon my local time last time. Mar 18 16:05:21 oh, so it has begun then? Mar 18 16:05:22 this time tends to work because it isn't crazy early on US West coast... Mar 18 16:05:33 16:00 UTC Mar 18 16:05:51 and in India it is late, but not crazy late. Mar 18 16:05:52 ack Mar 18 16:06:10 I find developers in India tend to start late and finish late as well. Mar 18 16:06:21 yes Mar 18 16:06:37 its the americans that dont want to wake early :) Mar 18 16:06:48 * jkridner looks at ds2 Mar 18 16:07:28 oh well...better to be in the middle of timezones :) Mar 18 16:07:36 av500: we sure don't Mar 18 16:07:38 xactly :) Mar 18 16:08:36 * vvu sees no students around Mar 18 16:09:56 jkridner: I guess we start? Mar 18 16:10:03 works for me Mar 18 16:10:08 :) Mar 18 16:10:25 proposals have started to come in, but they are a trickle. Mar 18 16:10:42 * jkridner doesn't remember how many mentors or students were signed up by this point last year. Mar 18 16:10:44 not if you look at google-docs proposals ;) Mar 18 16:10:49 can we make a short tally here of mentors/students that have engaged so far? Mar 18 16:11:00 vvu: praveendath92: ? Mar 18 16:11:15 Hi Mar 18 16:11:23 hi Mar 18 16:11:33 for the android remote, we had interest? Mar 18 16:11:39 I saw some backlog Mar 18 16:11:42 now that melange is open no one should be looking at google docs! Mar 18 16:11:46 Yes I'm in. Mar 18 16:11:47 indeed Mar 18 16:11:54 praveendath92: as mentor or student? Mar 18 16:11:55 * jkridner looks at https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/connection/list/org/google/gsoc2015/beagleboard and http://bit.ly/bbgsocideas for mentors Mar 18 16:12:03 In face I'm also going to contribute code Mar 18 16:12:10 alexanderhiam: +1 Mar 18 16:12:11 Mentor Mar 18 16:12:14 ok Mar 18 16:12:27 praveendath92: and you have a student? Mar 18 16:12:46 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#Mentors seems to have some folks we need to trim... at least that I haven't seen active. Mar 18 16:13:00 I got about 3+ interested students Mar 18 16:13:08 praveendath92: that's good :) Mar 18 16:13:18 I have a similar count (3+) Mar 18 16:13:23 karki: for? Mar 18 16:13:31 pru-bridge Mar 18 16:13:38 and pruss driver Mar 18 16:13:41 ok Mar 18 16:13:49 karki: and co-mentors? Mar 18 16:14:03 Abhishek_ alexanderhiam Mar 18 16:14:14 ok Mar 18 16:14:25 and panto Mar 18 16:14:29 ack Mar 18 16:14:36 jkridner: your node stuff? Mar 18 16:14:36 panto is part time though Mar 18 16:14:40 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#Mentors has jkridner, av500, vvu, ds2, Tartarus(?), panto(?), karki, Abhishek_, alexanderhiam, samy(?), joel(?), gregkh(?), dschelt(?), cdstienkuehler(?), anujdeshpande, DiegoTc, praveendath92, rcn-ee, nodebotanist, hendersa, julianduque and nerdboy Mar 18 16:14:40 karki: ok Mar 18 16:15:00 the ? haven't been active here. Mar 18 16:15:12 jkridner: right, some old ones from past years Mar 18 16:15:30 so we have 3 projects covered so far Mar 18 16:15:32 av500: there have been 2 node-interested students active here, but more on the list. Mar 18 16:15:34 jkridner: node stuff? Mar 18 16:15:42 jkridner: ok, how many projects? Mar 18 16:16:08 probably just 1 real node project. the bbblfs project seems real and I'd expect vvu to do most of the driving on that. Mar 18 16:16:33 that makes 2 projects Mar 18 16:16:46 so I cound: android remote, 2x PRU, 1 node, 1 BBBlfs Mar 18 16:16:48 count* Mar 18 16:16:52 * jkridner hopes that julianduque and nodebotanist could really help expand the node/bone101 projects. Mar 18 16:17:07 jkridner: what was nerdboy in for? Mar 18 16:17:23 what's the new android remote project? just extending previous project? Mar 18 16:17:39 finishing some stuff Mar 18 16:17:42 but yes Mar 18 16:17:45 ds2: there's been some interest in the ADC driver, you think that'll pan out? Mar 18 16:17:47 adding mouse/kbd Mar 18 16:17:49 nerdboy: LinuxRT Mar 18 16:17:50 and sound Mar 18 16:17:59 av500: nerdboy is into LinuxRT Mar 18 16:18:02 ok Mar 18 16:18:26 also some other RT data collection stuff if he gets bites. Mar 18 16:18:47 * jkridner thinks nerdboy is also looking to help get us a bit more organized. Mar 18 16:18:58 jkridner: that would make 6 "certain" project Mar 18 16:19:15 which woud be last years count Mar 18 16:19:21 now, can we get more? Mar 18 16:19:39 android remote, 2x PRU, 1 node, 1 BBBlfs, linuxRT Mar 18 16:19:48 jkridner: there was also the rtems guy Mar 18 16:19:51 offering to help Mar 18 16:20:14 * jkridner hasn't gone through http://bit.ly/bbgsocml and http://bit.ly/bbgsocideas enough to see if there are really enough cool ideas.... Mar 18 16:20:29 we also need to do direct reach-outs to mentors to bring them into the fold. Mar 18 16:20:50 working with RTEMS would be cool. Mar 18 16:21:35 * jkridner has heard interest in X15 projects, but not too sure who to guide them along. Mar 18 16:21:43 jkridner: we have to be fast Mar 18 16:23:00 class_ziemke, ahmed_salman, dimonga, soulslicer and pateldhruvil have made Melange requests, but I don't see them here. without correspondence, I'd not likely approve. Mar 18 16:23:27 * jkridner wonders who sarnold is. Mar 18 16:23:35 oh... nerdboy! Mar 18 16:24:40 hendersa, anujdeshpande92, jkridner, _av500_, karki, DiegoTc, alexanderhiam, ds2, rcn-ee, nerdboy and vvu are registers on mentors on Melange. Mar 18 16:25:33 ah back Mar 18 16:25:36 damn net Mar 18 16:25:43 that leaves Tartarus(?), panto(?), samy(?), joel(?), gregkh(?), dschelt(?), cdstienkuehler(?), praveendath92, nodebotanist and julianduque all unregistered on Melange Mar 18 16:26:02 av500: hendersa, anujdeshpande92, jkridner, _av500_, karki, DiegoTc, alexanderhiam, ds2, rcn-ee, nerdboy and vvu are registers on mentors on Melange. Mar 18 16:26:04 praveendath92: please sign up on melange Mar 18 16:26:10 Right away Mar 18 16:26:13 ok Mar 18 16:26:21 jkridner: I will make panto sign up Mar 18 16:26:27 av500: awesome! Mar 18 16:26:40 even if it is just an hour a week from him, that'd be huge. Mar 18 16:26:46 yup Mar 18 16:26:52 2nd level support Mar 18 16:26:57 +1 Mar 18 16:27:00 calculus: don't see you on Melange or http://bit.ly/bbgsocideas#Mentors Mar 18 16:27:51 * nerdboy scoots his ebola-ridden ass in front of the door Mar 18 16:28:24 I think we should have 15 mentors when all is said and done, but would prefer about 18-21 to account for times when mentors are busy to handle 6-7 projects. too much? Mar 18 16:28:25 * nerdboy not moving very quickly Mar 18 16:28:54 jkridner: 2 per project at least Mar 18 16:29:09 doing something with the EVB or Open qPCR would be cool. :-D Mar 18 16:29:19 Open qPCR would test nerdboy for Ebola. Mar 18 16:29:45 nerdboy: do you have potential students? Mar 18 16:29:47 av500: agreed. at least 2, but still would prefer 3, but 2nd and 3rd could be on multiple projects. Mar 18 16:29:49 it's looking like I won't be a primary mentor, so I should be available to co-mentor a few Mar 18 16:29:55 if i live, i could take that one maybe... Mar 18 16:30:57 i had 2 queries that seemed serious Mar 18 16:31:14 one for cubesat thing Mar 18 16:31:41 nerdboy: as there is only time until the 27th, we need to follow up with students *now* Mar 18 16:31:53 * alexanderhiam really wants the cubesat thing to happen Mar 18 16:32:00 so if you see potential students on the mailing list or irc, grab them Mar 18 16:32:34 av500: can you send nasty-grams to all people who have had any breath about mentoring to get them to review http://bit.ly/bbgsocml and http://bit.ly/bbgsocideas? Mar 18 16:32:53 yes Mar 18 16:33:28 are those elinux pages or something else? Mar 18 16:33:56 one is Mar 18 16:34:01 the other is the ML Mar 18 16:34:08 'k Mar 18 16:34:44 bbgsocideas and bbgsocml respectively. Mar 18 16:34:52 trying to make spreading these URLs easy Mar 18 16:36:32 we do seem to be a bit light on students unless we want to do only JS projects Mar 18 16:36:45 * nerdboy ran out of scroll buffer... Mar 18 16:37:10 ds2: there's a few pru-ers Mar 18 16:37:21 and few androiders Mar 18 16:37:34 [17:19] android remote, 2x PRU, 1 node, 1 BBBlfs, linuxRT Mar 18 16:37:46 nerdboy: linuxrt is your thing I heard? Mar 18 16:37:50 or is that the cubesat? Mar 18 16:38:05 no, linux-rt looked lonely Mar 18 16:38:09 av500: jkridner Registered on melange Mar 18 16:38:20 thanks praveendath92 Mar 18 16:38:27 i used to patch/maintain some gentoo rt-soutcse stuff... Mar 18 16:38:36 rt-sources even Mar 18 16:38:53 serious students? Mar 18 16:39:29 av500: don't know where we are in the agenda, but we do need to update the application template. Mar 18 16:40:35 jkridner: yes Mar 18 16:40:47 av500: I'm planning on sending another newsletter out early next week... Mar 18 16:40:53 ok Mar 18 16:41:13 jkridner: why are some fields blank to me? Mar 18 16:41:14 if you could have some kind of blog post or wiki page I could promote that had actions for random people, that'd be good. Mar 18 16:41:29 okay, so ketul is one who expressed some interest Mar 18 16:41:38 * nerdboy grepping logs Mar 18 16:41:40 yep nerdboy Mar 18 16:41:43 ah Mar 18 16:41:47 av500: all of the fields on the preferences are blank... Mar 18 16:41:49 I am here Mar 18 16:42:07 jkridner: no, I mean I cannot enter anything in the text fields Mar 18 16:42:21 hi ketul. want-to-be student or mentor? what project? Mar 18 16:42:26 e.g. Application template Mar 18 16:42:30 av500: on https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/preferences/edit/google/gsoc2015/beagleboard Mar 18 16:42:32 hmmm.... Mar 18 16:42:39 did you log in with the right Google ID? Mar 18 16:42:45 yes Mar 18 16:42:48 I can edit the slot numbers Mar 18 16:42:56 ah Mar 18 16:42:58 now it works Mar 18 16:43:23 F5 ftw Mar 18 16:44:00 hi jkridner for Orbital Imaging Cubesat as student Mar 18 16:45:04 av500: good, because you are certainly registered as an org admin. Mar 18 16:45:09 jkridner: would we have last years template? Mar 18 16:45:11 jkridner: Sorry for interrupting, small clarification... what is the 1 node project you are considering? Mar 18 16:46:07 ketul: great. I'd missed the exchange from nerdboy ahead of your response. Mar 18 16:46:29 ok :) Mar 18 16:47:19 webglider: I'd be between nw.js and bonecard and look for guidance from DiegoTc, nodebotanist and julianduque to either help support one of those or additional node/js projects. Mar 18 16:47:59 jkridner: cool thanks for the info Mar 18 16:48:23 the pruduino thing really looks like it'll be a PRU project, not a node project, per se. Mar 18 16:51:02 karki: your two pru projects, does that include pruduino? Mar 18 16:51:07 or would that be 3 in total? Mar 18 16:51:11 nope Mar 18 16:51:18 pru-bridge is my focus Mar 18 16:51:36 webglider: in general, I'm putting my hat in to mentor a node-related project and will simply pick what I believe is the best proposal (most likely to succeed and most valuable to the community) Mar 18 16:51:48 I don't really advocate pruduino (or anything that goes over the pru) till we have a stable driver Mar 18 16:51:58 Abhishek_ will agree Mar 18 16:52:07 ok Mar 18 16:52:42 FWIW, we shouldn't be treating the PRU as a processor. itis more of a hardware block that can be reconfigured for specific tasks Mar 18 16:52:46 jkridner: alright :) Mar 18 16:52:54 karki: +1 Mar 18 16:53:04 ds2: +1 Mar 18 16:53:27 karki: im still trying to get a count of projects "visible" today Mar 18 16:54:03 visible as in mentor backed? Mar 18 16:54:07 av500 ^ Mar 18 16:54:13 or student backed? Mar 18 16:54:25 ds2, alexanderhiam: I really feel a standard firmware load that can be easily extended with new 'tasks' would really help with that. Also, giving it tasks to interact with various peripherals beyond just GPIO is needed. Mar 18 16:54:56 I feel efforts to over-build framework just slow us down. Mar 18 16:55:06 <_av500_> karki: visible as "we have a student and he has some clue" Mar 18 16:55:07 * jkridner prefers flexible examples to frameworks. Mar 18 16:55:13 jkridner: resources limitations on the PRUSS limit things Mar 18 16:55:28 <__av500__> dammit my net is flaky Mar 18 16:55:35 <__av500__> its like living in the US Mar 18 16:55:56 but having said that, I fine with help students either way Mar 18 16:55:58 ds2: sure, but it isn't so bad that that we can't have some common operatins. Mar 18 16:55:59 jkridner : we need a *stable driver* Mar 18 16:56:14 * nerdboy saw on TV that shampoo makes the flakes go away... Mar 18 16:56:15 otherwise we will have people redoing the samething Mar 18 16:56:20 again and again Mar 18 16:56:29 for every pru-rproc project Mar 18 16:56:37 jkridner: I been doing things were resources (memory and cycles) were tight enough to preclude that as an option Mar 18 16:57:18 every pru project is different Mar 18 16:57:20 jkridner: I'm a big fan of the model where the PRU is used to extend userspace libraries. e.g. you could have the ws2811 object in bonescript or PyBBIO that would load a PRU driver then forward parameters to it Mar 18 16:57:47 * karki feels sorry for av500 Mar 18 16:57:50 <__av500__> alexanderhiam: I am fine with any API you come up with Mar 18 16:58:02 bad internet connection :'( Mar 18 16:58:03 <__av500__> but it needs tgo have a mentor(s) and a student Mar 18 16:58:12 <__av500__> karki: I have backups Mar 18 16:58:16 <_av500_> there is many me Mar 18 16:58:16 :D Mar 18 16:58:36 we are legion Mar 18 16:59:59 alexanderhiam: me too, but we need to be able to put some decision making smarts in it to do that. I like the idea of being able to use something like Botspeak to add a PID routine. Mar 18 17:02:07 jkridner: I feel like having function support is a must, which could be pretty easily added to pruspeak using gotos and labels and some convention about where arguments go Mar 18 17:02:30 so you could define routines in a script then call them remotely Mar 18 17:03:41 The framework first. Rest will automatically follow in half the time it would take to develop them from scratch now Mar 18 17:05:07 yeah, with the framework and prubridge in place it would be pretty easy to implement things like rpc Mar 18 17:06:02 jkridner: do you have last years template somewhere, looks like melange wont let me access it Mar 18 17:06:12 right now, I am c&p from student proposals Mar 18 17:06:21 alexanderhiam: I guess. Just don't want to do a framework without a reasonable end in mind... and something that is executed and moved beyond quickly. Mar 18 17:06:37 av500: webglider sent me https://gist.github.com/webglider/42c091a6560bf999e290 Mar 18 17:06:58 av500: I couldn't find last year's template myself. Mar 18 17:07:06 Whatever we do now without a stable driver, will be a hack Mar 18 17:07:06 me too Mar 18 17:07:07 @jkridner: I have a small question.. How would you relate pruduino with prubridge ? Mar 18 17:07:43 ideally, pruduino would use prubridge as the framework for building upon, but it doesn't exist today. Mar 18 17:07:44 * nerdboy taking quick customer break Mar 18 17:07:46 jkridner: I could see it not being very helpful if by the end of the summer there were just a driver framework and no more good pru examples Mar 18 17:08:04 alexanderhiam: +100 Mar 18 17:08:33 but if we're talking about upstreaming something it's going to be a pretty big project Mar 18 17:08:39 * Abhishek_ believes he would end up writing a lot of code himself Mar 18 17:08:55 what is the upstream for a pru framework anyways? kernel? us? Mar 18 17:09:02 someone just needs to write it real quick before gsoc starts Mar 18 17:09:15 ds2: kernel Mar 18 17:10:06 jkridner: yeah, got that much from last years app Mar 18 17:11:29 alexanderhiam: so you are saying that "driver framework" >> prubridge and "good pru example" >> pruduino ?? Mar 18 17:12:40 praveendath92: can you gimme the wording of the acceptance message? Mar 18 17:12:44 kiran4399: prubridge would be part of the framework that passes data between the pru and the kernel and between the kernel and userspace Mar 18 17:13:15 praveendath92: should be part of some mail you got from google last year Mar 18 17:13:44 gah Mar 18 17:14:07 alexanderhiam: so pruduino should ideally be using it ? Mar 18 17:14:13 yep Mar 18 17:14:40 kiran4399: the base framework would be a kernel driver library that handles all the rproc stuff like loading firmware. It would have something like extern read() and write() declarations, and then you could compile it with the prubridge library which would provide read() and write() routines Mar 18 17:15:12 many distractions coming in now. Mar 18 17:15:19 :) Mar 18 17:15:36 that way you could substitute prubridge for a different data transfer library if your app needs data handled differently than the virtual serial port that prubridge provides Mar 18 17:16:48 jkridner: oops, got a little sidetracked there :P Mar 18 17:16:50 is there any mentor/student with a not proposal related question? Mar 18 17:17:02 students willing to participate? Mar 18 17:17:07 lurking mentors? Mar 18 17:17:17 any mentor without a student? Mar 18 17:18:06 donno if i will have a student Mar 18 17:18:17 might do a floating thing Mar 18 17:19:58 ok Mar 18 17:20:15 @jkridner: one last question.... If pruduino was supposed to be using pru-bridge.. then why am I doing it without pru-bridge ? Mar 18 17:20:39 just because pru-bridge doesn't exist. Mar 18 17:21:05 might be good to check out what it would take to get pru-bridge made, since other mentors seem to be conspiring that it is needed first. Mar 18 17:21:35 kiran4399: sorry for the set-back... lots of changes in specs at this phase. :( Mar 18 17:22:12 thats ok as long as the mentor/student setup works Mar 18 17:23:03 jkridner: I edited the template a bit Mar 18 17:23:11 jkridner: need to add the accept/rejct sections Mar 18 17:23:49 kiran4399: if you're building pruduino over pruspeak it doesn't really matter, because eventually when pruspeak is ported to prubridge it will still work the same from the user's perspective Mar 18 17:24:52 +1 Mar 18 17:24:53 jkridner: ah got it Mar 18 17:24:57 for some of the stuff being talked about - would it not be better to use the M3 instead of the PRU? Mar 18 17:25:03 share it with the PM code Mar 18 17:25:09 in x15? Mar 18 17:25:21 in the BBB/BBW Mar 18 17:26:26 ds2: is that code even public? Mar 18 17:26:32 av500: yep Mar 18 17:26:36 ds2: should we really open more cans of worms? Mar 18 17:26:57 alexanderhiam: thanks for giving me some encouragement.. for some time.. I was scared of my project becoming obsolete !!! Mar 18 17:26:57 av500: yes - it is a resource on the chip that isn't beening used much Mar 18 17:27:04 kiran4399: nah Mar 18 17:27:10 kiran4399: we will find work for you Mar 18 17:27:13 there's an M3?! Mar 18 17:27:19 everyone is trying to hammer the PRU with things that, IMO, underutilize it Mar 18 17:27:51 ah well, one can always expand utilization Mar 18 17:28:04 alaxanderhiam: yes. on the AM335x - the M3 is to assist with suspend/resume. but it is mostly idle and the PM firmware has comments about other potential services Mar 18 17:28:09 ds2: I don't think the M3 can access the external peripherals, can it? Mar 18 17:28:14 i don't know about a M3 Mar 18 17:28:24 jkridner: it can access a subset... I think stuff in L4WK, IIRC Mar 18 17:28:27 M3 is in the power-down domain too. Mar 18 17:28:38 so it got GPIOs and at least 1 I2C Mar 18 17:29:03 jkridner: template done Mar 18 17:29:08 all thats left are slot nums Mar 18 17:29:40 cortex M3 is on arduino due i think... Mar 18 17:29:49 would be fantastic to start doing stuff with it, but I'm really wanting to offload real-time PID controllers for balancing bots/quadcopters and stepper motor stuff a-la-machinekit. Mar 18 17:30:00 av500: thanks!!! Mar 18 17:30:12 ds2: next year, start earlier with the M3 Mar 18 17:30:38 av500: fair enough... but if all goes well, next year is a x15 year :D Mar 18 17:30:45 nerdboy, av500: do we have any better qualification tests, at least for the PRU/kernel tasks? Mar 18 17:31:28 better than what, generic? Mar 18 17:31:36 ds2: we will find M3s, 4s and 5s there too Mar 18 17:31:48 jkridner: the best qual to me is mentor/student interaction Mar 18 17:31:50 are the PRU projects in C or ASM? Mar 18 17:31:50 av500: nice answers. Mar 18 17:32:02 jkridner: ? I copied, I pasted :) Mar 18 17:32:20 ds2 : it's a combination Mar 18 17:32:21 av500: well, I like whereever you copy pasted from. Mar 18 17:33:05 av500: agreed, and we haven't been too overwhelmed by students this year. (???) still, nice to have a few things that scale. Mar 18 17:33:27 qualifications on using the pasm tool might be good Mar 18 17:33:53 mentors on suhc tasks should tell their students what to do Mar 18 17:33:55 such Mar 18 17:34:06 its the mentors that have to evaluate the students Mar 18 17:34:09 in the end Mar 18 17:34:14 so please be diligent Mar 18 17:35:05 @jkridner: can I add some extra objects in pruduino apart from the ones there are in noduino like LED, piezo, board etc. ? Mar 18 17:35:37 I would say the official meeting is over Mar 18 17:35:41 jkridner, av500: has mdp reject mentor entirely? Mar 18 17:35:45 thank you all Mar 18 17:35:49 just noticed he is not on the list Mar 18 17:35:49 ds2: I will find out Mar 18 17:36:03 av500: he was willing to help with the ADC stuff at the least Mar 18 17:36:05 ds2: no, I think mdp was willing to do just a little. Mar 18 17:36:22 I have to leave now Mar 18 17:36:25 av500: will you ping mdp among others? Mar 18 17:36:28 yes Mar 18 17:36:33 mdpanto I will ping Mar 18 17:36:38 :-D Mar 18 17:37:01