**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 06 02:59:58 2015
May 06 09:04:25 <vvu> morning!
May 06 09:20:09 <av500> jo
May 06 09:21:37 <av500> neemo: ping
May 06 10:08:34 <vvu> av500: i guess you will get all mail addresses today at the meeting
May 06 10:08:49 <av500> I hope so
May 06 11:33:19 <neemo> av500: pong
May 06 11:33:24 <Abhishek_> gm
May 06 11:33:27 <neemo> av500: need my email?
May 06 11:33:32 <neemo> Abhishek_: gm!
May 06 11:33:37 <neemo> :)
May 06 11:33:50 <Abhishek_> neemo: Send your email so that you can get a board
May 06 11:33:57 <Abhishek_> *shipping address
May 06 11:34:08 <neemo> Abhishek_: isn't the email on melange
May 06 11:34:11 <neemo> oh ok
May 06 11:34:27 <Abhishek_> a physical shipping address :)
May 06 11:34:33 <neemo> ha yeah
May 06 11:34:53 <neemo> quick question, how long do you think it will take to get the board here? (Shanghai China)
May 06 11:35:12 <neemo> Since I'll be moving out of the dorm at the end of June. Will it arrive before then :?
May 06 11:35:16 <Abhishek_> I guess, within 10 days (shipping by jkridner in USA IIRC)
May 06 11:35:57 <neemo> ok, should be good then.
May 06 11:36:05 <Abhishek_> the boards are supposed to be received by you before coding period begins
May 06 11:36:15 <neemo> Abhishek_: yeah understood
May 06 11:36:38 <neemo> I mean, the BBB is no issue, I've already bought myself one about a month ago
May 06 11:36:56 <neemo> so no delays in development are expected on the hardware front
May 06 11:37:32 * Abhishek_ received his GSoC 2014 BeagleBone Black yesterday
May 06 11:37:58 <neemo> Not sure if shipping one more is the best use of money, though I wouldn't mind having one more BBB for free. What do you think?
May 06 11:38:26 <neemo> Abhishek_: well, that's reassuring :P
May 06 11:38:55 <neemo> Abhishek_: picked it up at home finally? or did it actaully arrive that late
May 06 11:39:06 <Abhishek_> picked it up at office :)
May 06 11:39:39 <neemo> hah, makes sense. the TI office?
May 06 11:39:44 <Abhishek_> yeah
May 06 11:40:21 <Abhishek_> there was a TI Chronos in the package as well
May 06 11:40:25 <neemo> cool! that's a new job right?
May 06 11:40:34 <Abhishek_> an internship\
May 06 11:41:21 <neemo> Abhishek_: congrats once more then
May 06 11:41:25 <neemo> the chronos looks cool btw
May 06 11:44:44 <av500> neemo: you will be back home when gsoc starts?
May 06 11:45:14 <av500> neemo: might not make sense to send to china then
May 06 11:48:26 <neemo> av500: I'll be in China for the start of the coding period
May 06 11:48:52 <neemo> the exchange program I'm on is running until mid-end June
May 06 11:49:05 <av500> ok
May 06 11:49:14 <av500> >1month until then
May 06 11:49:16 <av500> should work
May 06 11:49:25 <av500> still I lack your address :)
May 06 11:49:26 <neemo> after that I can pack my bags and go home :), though it shouldn't be an issue since I have all the stuff here already
May 06 11:50:07 <neemo> av500: want to send the stuff to China anyway? I'm not sure how much trouble that is, and I have a BBB and the IMU sensors I expect to use
May 06 11:51:34 <av500> well, we can send to your home too
May 06 11:51:56 <neemo> haven't decided on the dedicated magnetometer yet. I scoped some that have been used in the previous cubesat missions but a lot of them are old/out-of-production. nerdboy: any recommendations on them?
May 06 11:52:15 <neemo> nerdboy is actually not here. Gonna catch him a bit later then
May 06 11:52:48 <neemo> av500: yeah. I mean whatever works best/is easiest for you guys. I've got all the basic gear I need already
May 06 11:53:35 <neemo> av500: so, shipping to China, or shipping to Croatia? What's easier?
May 06 11:53:38 <av500> croatia
May 06 11:53:46 <av500> svakako :)
May 06 11:53:59 <neemo> racunao sam da ce bit tako :)
May 06 11:54:19 <av500> da jadresu konacno :)
May 06 11:54:26 <av500> daj*
May 06 11:54:43 <neemo> evo emailam, ili kako se zapocne private irc?
May 06 11:54:56 <av500>  /q
May 06 11:55:04 <av500>   /q <nick>
May 06 12:02:54 <neemo> Be back soon, off to some errands before the meeting
May 06 12:03:14 * vvu totally forgot bout meeting today
May 06 12:04:21 <neemo> T-4hours
May 06 12:40:55 <Abhishek_> hey karki_
May 06 15:36:54 <jkridner> gm all
May 06 15:37:09 <hendersa> Morning
May 06 15:37:21 <shubhangi> morning
May 06 15:37:22 <DiegoTc> gm
May 06 15:37:29 <moto-timo> buenas
May 06 15:37:43 <_av500_> alohi
May 06 15:37:57 <ebadawy> gm
May 06 15:38:44 <neemo> morning
May 06 15:39:05 <DiegoTc> moto-timo: do you speak spanish?
May 06 15:39:14 <jkridner> at an airport again today. heading to California on Monday. :(
May 06 15:39:25 <moto-timo> bastante, si
May 06 15:39:41 <moto-timo> not natively, just from school and friends
May 06 15:40:03 <DiegoTc> cool, I thought you were a native speaker
May 06 15:40:09 <moto-timo> gracias
May 06 15:40:36 <moto-timo> I speak without a gringo accent which gets me in a world of trouble...
May 06 15:41:05 <moto-timo> happy trails, jkridner
May 06 15:41:27 <DiegoTc> really? but do you like a gringo?
May 06 15:41:40 <moto-timo> oh yeah... totally look like a German
May 06 15:41:52 <DiegoTc> here in LA, if you're white and blond hair then you're a gringo
May 06 15:42:00 <moto-timo> yup
May 06 15:42:23 <moto-timo> caucasian, blue eyes, used to have blonde hair
May 06 15:42:41 <DiegoTc> my teacher at college told me once he had some charges issues because they thought he was a gringo
May 06 15:42:51 <DiegoTc> but he's honduran
May 06 15:42:54 <vvu> moto-timo: you posted here some time ago that you can sign osx kexts ?
May 06 15:43:07 <moto-timo> I have an Apple Developer account, yes
May 06 15:43:08 <ankur> hendersa, anujdeshpande: where what would be the repository setup for the project?
May 06 15:43:19 <jkridner> DiegoTc: you are in LA now?
May 06 15:43:31 <shubhangi> apaar : can i have a loot at your proposal please. we need to work out what each of our project covers
May 06 15:43:42 <shubhangi> look*
May 06 15:43:43 * jkridner wonders if anyone will be at Maker Faire besides ds2.
May 06 15:43:43 <vvu> moto-timo: https://github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/BBBlfs/tree/osx/bbblfs-codeless-kext
May 06 15:43:43 <DiegoTc> jkridner: LA= Latin America
May 06 15:43:49 <jkridner> ah!
May 06 15:43:49 <moto-timo> I have a lot of friends from Mexico and Central America that look gringo but were born there
May 06 15:44:01 <hendersa> ankur: You should set up a github repo for your native code work, and a separate repo for each app.
May 06 15:44:04 <DiegoTc> forgot LA is understood by Los Angeles
May 06 15:44:16 <vvu> i pushed all the things requiredfor the osx boot, now we need to sign the kexts and are ready to go :)
May 06 15:44:26 <jkridner> yeah, I fall into the US-centric view.
May 06 15:44:34 <ankur> hendersa: sounds good!
May 06 15:44:45 <DiegoTc> yes, not many latinos on this channel
May 06 15:45:03 <jkridner> vvu: cool! I need to figure out how to move the BeagleBoard.org key from Windows to Mac.
May 06 15:45:13 <moto-timo> glad to see Intel make such an investment in Mexico... great for latinos
May 06 15:45:14 * jkridner never uses that Windows computer for much.
May 06 15:45:24 <Abhishek_> hey jkridner
May 06 15:45:26 <anujdeshpande> hendersa: a fork of yours ?
May 06 15:45:30 <jkridner> howdy Abhishek_
May 06 15:45:43 <Abhishek_> Day 3 at TI India
May 06 15:45:52 <moto-timo> vvu: I'll look into signing it... we might need an org account though?
May 06 15:46:04 <vvu> jkridner: we cannot use that key, we need apple to approve it
May 06 15:46:04 <hendersa> anujdeshpande: No, it will be completely his. He's welcome to take my work as a base.
May 06 15:46:17 <hendersa> anujdeshpande: But the initial repo setup will be all his.
May 06 15:46:32 <vvu> jkridner: for windows the update will arrive next week, this week i am busy submitting my BSc thesis
May 06 15:46:32 <jkridner> oh. :(
May 06 15:46:33 <apaar> shubhangi : sure :)
May 06 15:46:39 <anujdeshpande> cool
May 06 15:46:45 <jkridner> vvu: do I need to buy it?
May 06 15:46:47 <moto-timo> vvu: good for you! go man go
May 06 15:47:08 <shubhangi> apaar: thanks
May 06 15:47:14 <vvu> jkridner: i have no clue how apple things work regarding signing stuff,moto-timo a hint maybe ?
May 06 15:47:19 <Abhishek_> jkridner: Did you finish moving houses?
May 06 15:47:29 <vvu> moto-timo: danke! still waiting for an exam grade to show up...
May 06 15:48:16 <moto-timo> vvu, jkridner: I don't have much experience with actually submitting to Apple for review, but I can look into it and ask others with more experience
May 06 15:48:19 <DiegoTc> moto-timo: want to come to Honduras, for a central america open source event, looking for people to join us
May 06 15:48:32 <jkridner> Abhishek_: yeah, just trying to sell the old house now.
May 06 15:48:43 <moto-timo> DiegoTc: I wish! not much "vacation" time :(
May 06 15:49:16 <vvu> moto-timo: that would be great !
May 06 15:49:27 <Abhishek_> jkridner: If you meet Cathy, say hello and thanks from my side, picked up the kit she sent to TI India
May 06 15:49:38 <moto-timo> brb, coffee
May 06 15:49:47 <Abhishek_> jkridner: (Last year's GSoC kit)
May 06 15:49:50 <jkridner> Abhishek_: just saw her a couple days ago in Houston.
May 06 15:50:11 <DiegoTc> moto-timo: just a weekend, will enjoy and help the world, specially on these countries,
May 06 15:50:29 <Abhishek_> okay
May 06 15:51:04 <Abhishek_> rcn-ee: When are Jessie official images expected
May 06 15:52:18 <rcn-ee> Abhishek_, other then downgrading the kernel to v3.8.x, the jessie images are pretty much equal to the production wheezy image..
May 06 15:52:56 <rcn-ee> Abhishek_, the lxqt-4gb here would be that image: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Image_Testing_Snapshots
May 06 15:57:21 <hendersa> rcn-ee: Is HDMI audio disabled in your 4.0 kernel branch?
May 06 15:57:31 <Abhishek_> rcn-ee: There are some library packages on the Wheezy whose older versions prevent me from compiling a latest version of the sigrok library which BeagleLogic needs
May 06 15:57:54 <rcn-ee> hendersa, hdmi audio is in bikesheed hell right now...
May 06 15:58:24 <hendersa> I figured. It is the big dealbreaker for me to move by BeagleSNES work to the newer kernels.
May 06 15:58:36 <hendersa> I'm stuck with the 3.14 TI right now.
May 06 15:59:34 <hendersa> Every now and then, I'll pull a few of your kernel branches, look them over, sigh, and then roll back to 3.14 TI.
May 06 15:59:58 <hendersa> Such is life.
May 06 15:59:59 <moto-timo> DiegoTc: qual es la fecha?
May 06 16:00:02 <rcn-ee> hendersa, v11 is out https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/4/29/410 ;)
May 06 16:00:04 <jkridner> rcn-ee: just noticed that --beta-kernel now points to 4.0.1!
May 06 16:00:15 <jkridner> rcn-ee: thought --beta-kernel was 3.14.x
May 06 16:00:30 * ds2 oozes in
May 06 16:00:39 <DiegoTc> moto-timo: 7-8August, we can get you the hotel
May 06 16:00:47 <hendersa> rcn-ee: Thanks! I'll try dropping that in and giving it a shot.
May 06 16:01:10 <rcn-ee> jkridner, it's a little more complex with the 3 v3.14.x flavors..
May 06 16:01:53 <rcn-ee> jkridner, use the "--ti-kernel" and it'll pull in normal v3.14.x
May 06 16:02:01 <rcn-ee> for xenomai or rt, you just have to install the deb..
May 06 16:02:08 <rcn-ee> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Kernel_Options
May 06 16:02:57 <rcn-ee> Abhishek_, are the lib's available in jessie?  depending on their size and scope, i can backport them..
May 06 16:03:31 <moto-timo> DiegoTc: let me think about it... I might be already in Costa Rica then :)
May 06 16:03:32 <arianepaola> Hello everyone :-)
May 06 16:03:50 <DiegoTc> first Honduras, then Costa Rica
May 06 16:03:55 <moto-timo> si si
May 06 16:04:03 <Abhishek_> rcn-ee: lemme check, although libglib-2.0-dev is the offending lib
May 06 16:04:10 <DiegoTc> at least 30 or 40 costa rica students are coming
May 06 16:04:28 <DiegoTc> so you can go with then on bus to Costa Rica
May 06 16:05:05 <vvu> hello arianepaola
May 06 16:05:08 <moto-timo> wow
May 06 16:05:15 <_av500_> heh, its 5 past
May 06 16:05:16 <moto-timo> Ola, arianepaola
May 06 16:05:17 <arianepaola> hello vvu
May 06 16:05:36 <arianepaola> Oi moto-timo
May 06 16:05:50 * jkridner found that pru_speak is still not complete in the 2015-03-01 release
May 06 16:06:03 <rcn-ee> Abhishek_, yuck lots of things depend on glib2.0
May 06 16:06:05 <jkridner> _av500_: 5 past means start time?
May 06 16:06:18 <_av500_> yes
May 06 16:06:20 <_av500_> SO
May 06 16:06:22 <_av500_> EVERYBODY
May 06 16:06:30 <_av500_> HOLD YOUR WORDS FOR A SECOND
May 06 16:06:36 <_av500_> welcome
May 06 16:06:45 <_av500_> I hpoe we have all 8 students here this time
May 06 16:06:48 <_av500_> hope*
May 06 16:07:08 <_av500_> so lets see
May 06 16:07:14 <jkridner> arianepaola: did you get my github request to rebase the pull?
May 06 16:07:21 <_av500_> jkridner: gah!
May 06 16:07:22 * jkridner hides (oops)
May 06 16:07:29 <ebadawy> _av500_ here
May 06 16:07:46 <_av500_> noted
May 06 16:07:55 <arianepaola> jkridner: yes. I have a question: the grunt script downloads the files for node.js, but you still want to keep the old versions in the master branch?
May 06 16:08:03 <_av500_> arianepaola: sshh
May 06 16:08:29 <_av500_> two students, not bad
May 06 16:08:33 <azizulhakim> av500:
May 06 16:08:45 <_av500_> three
May 06 16:08:49 <vmayoral|pc> grettings
May 06 16:09:02 <_av500_> apaar: you there?
May 06 16:09:11 <_av500_> neem0: you there?
May 06 16:09:18 <neemo> av500: four
May 06 16:09:23 <nerdboy> neemo even
May 06 16:09:26 <neemo> if you didnt count me in :)
May 06 16:09:40 <_av500_> ankur: you there?
May 06 16:09:40 <Abhishek_> shubhangi apaar ankur arianepaola neemo ebadawy azizulhakim
May 06 16:09:43 <neemo> nerdboy: here, here
May 06 16:09:54 <Abhishek_> 7, and the eighth?
May 06 16:10:01 <neemo> nerdboy: got a minute to figure out the magnetometer? or should we wait for the meeting to end
May 06 16:10:03 <ankur> _av500_: yup
May 06 16:10:29 <_av500_> neem0: later
May 06 16:10:49 <Abhishek_> rohith
May 06 16:10:58 * nerdboy waits for sgt stedenko
May 06 16:11:07 <neemo> av500: aye aye
May 06 16:11:12 <shubhangi> here
May 06 16:11:13 <rohith> Abhishek_: yes?
May 06 16:11:40 <Abhishek_> just noting that you joined, that's all
May 06 16:11:46 <rohith> okay
May 06 16:12:08 <_av500_> apaar: ping
May 06 16:12:29 <_av500_> I count 7 so far
May 06 16:12:51 <Abhishek_> _av500_: we have all 8 now
May 06 16:12:54 <shubhangi> its eight including rohith
May 06 16:13:00 <_av500_> Abhishek_: we have 8 nicks
May 06 16:13:04 <_av500_> but only 7 reacted
May 06 16:13:27 <_av500_> last call for apaar
May 06 16:14:36 <_av500_> ok
May 06 16:14:54 <apaar> sorry
May 06 16:14:57 <_av500_> ah
May 06 16:14:58 <apaar> i was away
May 06 16:15:00 <_av500_> great
May 06 16:15:07 <neemo> 8 minutes 8 students :)
May 06 16:15:11 <_av500_> good
May 06 16:15:14 <moto-timo> \o/
May 06 16:15:20 <_av500_> so, did anybody NOT get my emails?
May 06 16:15:27 <_av500_> I want to make sure you really get them
May 06 16:15:38 <_av500_> I need one way to be able to reach everybody
May 06 16:15:48 <_av500_> so please make sure your SPAM filters exclude me :)
May 06 16:15:56 <nerdboy> tin cans and string?
May 06 16:16:07 <_av500_> any student that did not get my email(s)?
May 06 16:16:46 <neemo> av500: the long one with the multitude of points and address request? Got it.
May 06 16:16:47 <ebadawy> _av500_ just a question ,, when should I expect BBB to arrive ?
May 06 16:17:14 <_av500_> ebadawy: they will be sent out very soon
May 06 16:17:14 <alexanderhiam> the emails being "Welcome to Beagleboard GSOC 2015" and "Beagleboard GSOC 2015 - Shipping Address"
May 06 16:17:38 <_av500_> ok, so I assume you all get my mails - thus I can write more :)
May 06 16:17:52 <_av500_> the boards will be shipped out soon, jkridner takes care of that
May 06 16:18:01 <rohith> Got both the emails
May 06 16:18:05 <_av500_> good
May 06 16:18:06 <ebadawy> ok ,, great
May 06 16:19:22 <_av500_> for students that requested stuff on top of just the BBB, please see with your mentoes
May 06 16:19:31 <_av500_> mentors too :)
May 06 16:19:56 <jkridner> _av500_: yeah, shipping tomorrow, so won't ship if I don't already have the address. including mentors who need/want BeagleBone Blacks.
May 06 16:20:06 <_av500_> can I assume you would all have a USB powrer supply and an sd card?
May 06 16:20:08 * jkridner is currently only planning on sending 1 per person.
May 06 16:20:11 <_av500_> ok
May 06 16:20:49 <nerdboy> dc barrel jack for beaglebone is better
May 06 16:21:00 <apaar> jkridner :did you get my address ?
May 06 16:21:05 <_av500_> apaar: have it
May 06 16:21:13 <_av500_> I have all student addresses by now
May 06 16:21:18 <jkridner> thanks _av500_
May 06 16:21:27 <ds2> WANT?
May 06 16:21:27 <ds2> :D
May 06 16:21:51 <apaar> ah nice :)
May 06 16:21:58 <DiegoTc> _av500_ & jkridner are you going to shipped to mentors to?
May 06 16:21:59 <neemo> if you dont have an sdcard and a 5V supply, run to ebay. :)
May 06 16:22:06 <ds2> jkridner: if you are going by want....
May 06 16:22:11 <_av500_> DiegoTc: did you read the email?
May 06 16:22:58 <DiegoTc> _av500_: this was the one i got from you: Beagleboard GSOC 2015 - Shipping Address
May 06 16:23:14 <shubhangi> was it decided as to where the project has to be documented ? hackaday ?
May 06 16:23:21 <_av500_> DiegoTc: there was another one, same recipients
May 06 16:23:28 <_av500_> DiegoTc: I will resend
May 06 16:23:40 <rohith>  eLinux i guess...
May 06 16:23:43 <_av500_> shubhangi: not yet
May 06 16:23:47 * anujdeshpande wonders who do we need to send chocolates to upgrade the BBB to a beta X15
May 06 16:23:47 <DiegoTc> if there're more need to to find it on my inbox
May 06 16:23:48 <shubhangi> ok
May 06 16:23:57 <_av500_> DiegoTc: please
May 06 16:24:06 <_av500_> I really want to make sure you all got my mails
May 06 16:24:18 * nerdboy thought it was github...
May 06 16:24:19 <shubhangi> i didnt get the shipping address mail
May 06 16:24:26 <shubhangi> just the welcome one
May 06 16:24:28 <rohith> _av500_: Your first email ended up in my spam folder :P
May 06 16:24:32 <DiegoTc> got it
May 06 16:24:36 <shubhangi> although i mailed you the address
May 06 16:24:39 <DiegoTc> thanks
May 06 16:24:48 <rohith> The others might want to check their spam folders too
May 06 16:24:54 <_av500_> yes
May 06 16:24:59 <shubhangi> hmm .. spammed :p
May 06 16:25:02 <shubhangi> got both
May 06 16:25:03 <neemo> DiegoTc: there was one before that, Welcome to BB GSOC 2015. Check your spam folder
May 06 16:25:09 <_av500_> shubhangi: :-)
May 06 16:25:19 <_av500_> I can write spam all day long
May 06 16:25:24 <_av500_> so be prepared
May 06 16:25:28 <shubhangi> :)
May 06 16:25:37 <_av500_> ok, so it seems mails do get received
May 06 16:25:42 <ankur> av500: got both emails
May 06 16:25:43 <_av500_> as said, we will ship soon
May 06 16:25:56 <arianepaola> _av500_ you just got blacklisted for spamming
May 06 16:26:07 <_av500_> next item: bonding period
May 06 16:26:10 <arianepaola> :)
May 06 16:26:19 <_av500_> anybody not bonding well?
May 06 16:26:25 <nerdboy> are we bonding yet?
May 06 16:26:29 <_av500_> need for super glue?
May 06 16:26:40 <Abhishek_> Cyanoacrylates :)
May 06 16:26:41 <_av500_> seriously, I just want to know all is going well
May 06 16:26:43 <ebadawy> _av500_ I received your first mail from jkridner
May 06 16:26:45 <ds2> HDPE
May 06 16:26:55 <shubhangi> humor quotient is really going downhill :)
May 06 16:27:00 * apaar finds the mail in spam :P
May 06 16:27:36 <jkridner> arianepaola: this is the point that you tell _av500_ if you think you are hearing from me enough and we are chatting enough for you to feel confident we are on the same page. :-)
May 06 16:27:37 <ds2> _av500_: still need the other mail from you before I hunt down people
May 06 16:27:53 <_av500_> are there any issues today what would prevent any of the students to start work?
May 06 16:28:00 <neemo> one went to my inbox, the other was in my spam folder. Not sure what's up with google's algorithms :/
May 06 16:28:00 <neemo> their both in though, everything's good
May 06 16:28:14 <_av500_> on the 25th
May 06 16:28:27 <ebadawy> _av500_ yep ,, me
May 06 16:28:36 <arianepaola> jkridner ah ok, nothing to complain
May 06 16:28:37 <jkridner> ditto to ebadawy.
May 06 16:28:52 <anujdeshpande> ankur: hendersa and me are exchanging mails. some IRC too.
May 06 16:29:00 <_av500_> ebadawy: ?
May 06 16:29:03 * apaar will start work on the 14th after last theory exam :)
May 06 16:29:06 <jkridner> arianepaola, ebadawy: just realize that for me, complaining is fine as long as we work out a plan to move beyond it.
May 06 16:29:14 <Abhishek_> I think it would be better if all the students write "ACK" one by one and the channels are quiet until then
May 06 16:29:17 <DiegoTc> ebadawy: shoot your complains
May 06 16:29:18 <jkridner> arianepaola, ebadawy: got to figure out ways to "bond".
May 06 16:29:23 * moto-timo ditto
May 06 16:29:26 <Abhishek_> That they have received the mails from us
May 06 16:29:27 <shubhangi> ACK
May 06 16:29:32 <vvu> arianepaola: which branch of your beagle-getting-started will you work on ?
May 06 16:29:43 <vvu> i want to clone it locally to keep an eye for new things :)
May 06 16:29:45 <ebadawy> jkridner ,, I'm still confused from where I'll start
May 06 16:30:09 <ebadawy> should I fork ur repo and copy DiegoTc work
May 06 16:30:25 <ebadawy> or fork DiegoTc repo and strat from it
May 06 16:30:29 <DiegoTc> ebadawy: yes, that should be the best way
May 06 16:30:32 <arianepaola> vvu I will create a new one
May 06 16:30:37 <jkridner> _av500_: fyi, RTEMS has 3 BeagleBoard.org related projects and I've encouraged them to join #beagle-gsoc.
May 06 16:30:54 <_av500_> oh nice
May 06 16:31:09 <ebadawy> DiegoTc ,, which one ? :D
May 06 16:31:11 <Abhishek_> nice
May 06 16:31:12 <jkridner> ebadawy, DiegoTc: just remember that you want it to ultimately end up at http://github.com/beagleboard/bone101 master branch.
May 06 16:31:23 <vvu> arianepaola: ok, ping me when you do that
May 06 16:31:40 <jkridner> ebadawy, DiegoTc: please break down the patches to something I can easily comprehend to approve the pull requests.
May 06 16:31:51 <neemo> rtems is cool, lots of nice space stuff going on there
May 06 16:31:56 <DiegoTc> ebadawy: option one
May 06 16:32:00 * jkridner won't pull sweeping changes where he can't figure out what all changed.
May 06 16:32:01 <DiegoTc> fork jkridner
May 06 16:32:09 <DiegoTc> and copy my
May 06 16:32:13 <ebadawy> Ok ,, great
May 06 16:32:44 * neemo hopes to see Beaglebone project on SOCIS soon
May 06 16:32:59 <arianepaola> jkridner, just had a look at beagleboard github and it is forking the getting started from you. so should I just branch from your master or create my own repository and start from 0?
May 06 16:33:11 <ds2> jkridner: were they the ones with projects under us in the prior years?
May 06 16:33:20 <_av500_> ds2: no
May 06 16:33:30 <vvu> shouldn't we branch from master for the nw.js ?
May 06 16:33:31 * nerdboy 's caffeine-o-meter:  | ==> ...................|
May 06 16:33:34 <jkridner> arianepaola: branch from either mine or beagleboard... the deltas should be minor.
May 06 16:33:37 <ebadawy> for BBUI ,, I've scheduled it to be before the midterm ,, will it be ok ,, cause i realize that it still need some work
May 06 16:33:47 <jkridner> ds2: _av500_ is right, they were not.
May 06 16:33:48 <arianepaola> jkridner: ok
May 06 16:34:04 <jkridner> ds2: they had some projects on Beagles in the past, but not under us.
May 06 16:34:25 <ds2> ok. that name sounded familiar for some reason
May 06 16:34:36 <anujdeshpande> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/details/google/gsoc2015/ragunath3252/5728116278296576 , http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/details/google/gsoc2015/ketul93/5673385510043648 , http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/details/google/gsoc2015/jrcatbagan/5707274949492736 : the links for the curious
May 06 16:34:40 <jkridner> arianepaola: you should be able to use git well enough to work with different branches.
May 06 16:35:01 <jkridner> ds2: we spoke with those guys a fair bit at the Summit in 2010.
May 06 16:35:08 <moto-timo> arianepaola: I'll mirror your branch...
May 06 16:35:13 <arianepaola> jkridner: no problem
May 06 16:35:18 * jkridner tries to remember which Summit ds2 attended, if any.
May 06 16:35:22 <nerdboy> can also use multiple remotes, etc...
May 06 16:35:35 <moto-timo> +1 for multiple remotes
May 06 16:35:52 <_av500_> jkridner: 2010
May 06 16:35:53 <ankur> anujdeshpande: ketul is from my college
May 06 16:36:08 <jkridner> moto-timo, arianepaola, DiegoTc, ebadawy: the deltas from the http://github.com/beagleboard projects are the important deltas as that is where we want the official source to be pushed.
May 06 16:36:42 <moto-timo> got it
May 06 16:36:45 <arianepaola> jkridner, moto-timo, vvu, I will create a gsoc branch here https://github.com/arianepaola/beaglebone-getting-started
May 06 16:36:49 <ds2> oh
May 06 16:36:53 <nerdboy> fork it, make your dev branch(es), merge, pull request
May 06 16:36:58 <ds2> the first one
May 06 16:37:00 <anujdeshpande> ankur Nirma boys sure love BB.org :D Do you guys have it in your syllabus ? My college recently added it to theirs, hopefully more people might start applying :/
May 06 16:37:20 <ketul> anujdeshpande: hi
May 06 16:37:28 <anujdeshpande> hola ketul :D
May 06 16:37:48 <arianepaola> just have it to rebase to https://github.com/beagleboard
May 06 16:38:01 <_av500_> ok, bonding is is full swing it seems
May 06 16:38:02 <ebadawy> jkridner: got my BBUI question ?
May 06 16:38:09 <_av500_> which is good
May 06 16:38:30 <ketul> anujdeshpande: no not in our syllabus :D. you can say because of our seniors
May 06 16:38:31 <Abhishek_> rcn-ee: Yeah, so that's why I was considering moving to a Jessie image for BeagleLogic further development
May 06 16:38:38 <vvu> azizulhakim: ping
May 06 16:38:44 <azizulhakim> vvu
May 06 16:38:45 <Abhishek_> rcn-ee: (due to libglib2.0 requirement)
May 06 16:39:00 <rcn-ee> Abhishek_, i would.. ;)  just let me know what we need to fix in jessie. ;)
May 06 16:39:00 <vvu> azizulhakim: until now you worked just on the beagle for the video driver ?
May 06 16:39:05 <vvu> or running from a normal desktop ?
May 06 16:39:25 <Abhishek_> rcn-ee: the issues page?
May 06 16:39:35 <DiegoTc> jkridner: should we copy you on google hangout meetings and questions or no?
May 06 16:39:40 <DiegoTc> refering to ebadawy project
May 06 16:39:40 <jkridner> ebadawy: I think I missed the question.
May 06 16:39:52 <azizulhakim> I did some work on input driver and video driver also. and did some test on both bone and desktop
May 06 16:40:03 <nerdboy> https://archive.org/details/rrfb2004-06-13 <=  today's work tunes
May 06 16:40:04 <anujdeshpande> av500: if you could pass a verdict on the where-do-we-blog qn, students could start blogging ASAP
May 06 16:40:11 <ebadawy> jkridner: for BBUI ,, I've scheduled it to be before the midterm ,, will it be ok ,, cause i realize that it still need some work
May 06 16:40:13 <jkridner> DiegoTc: yeah, copy me, but I really, really prefer to meet here.
May 06 16:40:32 <vvu> azizulhakim: which one works better desktop or bb ?
May 06 16:40:32 <DiegoTc> OK
May 06 16:40:37 * jkridner found all the Hangouts last year really broke up the cohesiveness we found in previous years by keeping communications here.
May 06 16:40:44 <_av500_> +1
May 06 16:40:49 * jkridner knows _av500_ and ds2 agree.
May 06 16:40:53 * vvu sticks with IRC, seems that people like it this year
May 06 16:40:56 <moto-timo> +1
May 06 16:41:01 <anujdeshpande> +1 for IRC
May 06 16:41:10 <moto-timo> especially since there are logs
May 06 16:41:12 <azizulhakim> for audio, desktop works better. for video bb works better. for input both is equal.
May 06 16:41:24 <ankur> +1 irc
May 06 16:41:37 <Abhishek_> maybe could have students present their projects on HoA by then end ?
May 06 16:41:41 <rohith> IRC is more reliable
May 06 16:41:47 <Abhishek_> (HoA : Hangouts on Air)
May 06 16:41:48 <vvu> maybe i will do a spinnof to see how it looks this weekend
May 06 16:41:48 <nerdboy> which video driver are we talking about?
May 06 16:41:50 <neemo> IRC upvote
May 06 16:41:55 <Abhishek_> +1 IRC
May 06 16:42:06 <_av500_> feel free to make fixed times/dates with your mentors for IRC
May 06 16:42:06 <azizulhakim> nerdboy: framebuffer driver
May 06 16:42:20 <nerdboy> the omaplfb one?
May 06 16:42:38 * jkridner does like having the summary YouTube/Vimeo videos for use in blogs.
May 06 16:42:46 <Abhishek_> yeah
May 06 16:42:49 <arianepaola> +1 for IRC
May 06 16:43:01 <jkridner> HoA could be used to record the video, if needed.
May 06 16:43:09 <azizulhakim> the udlfb
May 06 16:43:20 <nerdboy> pointer?
May 06 16:43:21 <jkridner> Our first year, we did "lightning talks" where we recorded presentations like HoA.
May 06 16:43:27 <ds2> :)
May 06 16:43:32 * nerdboy has no idea wtf that is
May 06 16:43:33 <shubhangi> the summary video comes at the beginning or at the end
May 06 16:43:35 <rohith> jkridner: When do we have to make the intro video?
May 06 16:43:36 <jkridner> but used a conference call and captured the screen ourselves.
May 06 16:43:55 <Abhishek_> shubhangi: Two videos, one now and one after the end term evals
May 06 16:43:58 <jkridner> _av500_: ?
May 06 16:44:12 <_av500_> jkridner: I am not a fan of video
May 06 16:44:19 <neemo> HoA = hangouts :?
May 06 16:44:25 <_av500_> Hangout on Air
May 06 16:44:27 <jkridner> What about the HoA approach?
May 06 16:44:28 <anujdeshpande> neemo: hangouts on air.
May 06 16:44:29 <_av500_> the "live" version
May 06 16:44:30 <moto-timo> I like video, just not of me
May 06 16:44:32 <moto-timo> lol
May 06 16:44:38 <neemo> moto-timo: agreed
May 06 16:44:50 <neemo> well, a video with the completed project sounds nice
May 06 16:44:55 * jkridner wants something consumable by outside people and something that shows the student knows what he/she hopes to accomplish.
May 06 16:44:59 <anujdeshpande> it basically uploads it to youtube simultaneously. simple and convenient.
May 06 16:45:01 <arianepaola> on linux, you can just record a video of the presentation and use Audacity for voice editing
May 06 16:45:07 <neemo> a live video to present something of the bat doesn't appeal as much
May 06 16:45:07 <_av500_> neemo: at the end, everybody is buse
May 06 16:45:07 * nerdboy is pretty sure there is a presentation requirement
May 06 16:45:09 <_av500_> busy
May 06 16:45:24 <_av500_> we will ask for one video about your project
May 06 16:45:25 <anujdeshpande> ankur: you have an existing blog ?
May 06 16:45:48 <shubhangi> the prev years HoA turned out to be pretty useful for me . watched them on YT
May 06 16:45:53 <moto-timo> presenting is an important skill to learn...
May 06 16:46:15 <arianepaola> Can we use the tools that we like best to do the presentation?
May 06 16:46:17 <neemo> av500: sounds alright, no issues with recording one.
May 06 16:46:42 <neemo> not sure about recording a live one an pushing it to youtube ;/
May 06 16:46:42 <ankur> anujdeshpande: yes but pretty old. need to set up again.
May 06 16:47:19 <_av500_> so to repeat, we will ask you for a video presentation about your project
May 06 16:47:31 <_av500_> expect a mail about that soon :)
May 06 16:47:33 <nerdboy> github has all the necessary tools, no?
May 06 16:47:51 <nerdboy> wiki, gist pages, issue tracker, etc
May 06 16:47:56 <arianepaola> nerdboy: of course
May 06 16:48:01 <rohith> _av500_: okay
May 06 16:48:10 <neemo> it shall be so. email awaited :)
May 06 16:48:37 * moto-timo wonders if Boris can be invited to video shootings
May 06 16:48:46 <nerdboy> then why do we need other blogs or whatever?
May 06 16:49:02 <anujdeshpande> what did i miss
May 06 16:49:04 <anujdeshpande> :/
May 06 16:49:07 <anujdeshpande> jkridner: just noticed, no newsletter for April ?
May 06 16:49:13 <_av500_> anujdeshpande: there are logs :)
May 06 16:49:15 <nerdboy> you get the actiona items
May 06 16:49:21 <nerdboy> -a
May 06 16:49:44 <jkridner> anujdeshpande: caught me. :(
May 06 16:49:45 <neemo> nerdboy: not sure if we need blogs. But I'll document the progress on it and put the latest instruction on github
May 06 16:49:58 <neemo> and anywhere else you guys think is useful to have detailed instructions
May 06 16:50:04 <_av500_> apart from the video, there will be weekly progress reports
May 06 16:50:12 <_av500_> as emails to the beagle-gsoc list
May 06 16:50:20 <_av500_> so make sure you are signed up there too
May 06 16:50:22 <moto-timo> April newsletter: I packed. I moved. Yay.
May 06 16:50:23 <alexanderhiam> I would agree that Github has pretty much all the necessary stuff for documenting, though I would think visibility would be better if each project had a page somewhere like hackaday.io
May 06 16:50:23 * nerdboy would keep everything (mostly) in one place for now
May 06 16:50:27 <shubhangi> i guess individual blogs do get lost in google over time .. hackaday is better
May 06 16:51:36 <alexanderhiam> I vote for a hackaday.io page linking to an active github with good docs and wiki pages
May 06 16:51:45 <_av500_> ok, lets cut that short
May 06 16:51:50 <shubhangi> ^ +1
May 06 16:52:06 <ds2> digital Boris?
May 06 16:52:06 <_av500_> there will be a video requirement
May 06 16:52:12 <_av500_> and weekly progress emails
May 06 16:52:19 <_av500_> and weekly meetings here
May 06 16:52:22 <anujdeshpande> neemo: github docs are for how it will eventually work. blog is for your process during gsoc. the issues you faced, etc.
May 06 16:52:24 <_av500_> of course code needs a github
May 06 16:52:28 <_av500_> and blogs are nice
May 06 16:52:38 <ds2> would be niceif there was a pointer from elinux
May 06 16:52:45 <_av500_> anujdeshpande: im fine to copy blog posts into weekly emails
May 06 16:52:49 <neemo> anujdeshpande: that's what I was counting on
May 06 16:52:51 <nerdboy> could use issue tracker for tasks, etc
May 06 16:53:03 <anujdeshpande> markdown everything
May 06 16:53:49 <nerdboy> at least one per pull request
May 06 16:54:08 <nerdboy>  or feature/milestone/whatever
May 06 16:54:57 <moto-timo> ds2: +1 for digital Boris
May 06 16:55:07 <moto-timo> digital Boris overlay
May 06 16:56:11 <_av500_> ok, 5min until I have to leace
May 06 16:56:13 <_av500_> leave*
May 06 16:56:17 <vvu> azizulhakim: for video on desktop which repo do i need to use ?
May 06 16:56:19 <_av500_> ANY ISSUES we need to discuss now?
May 06 16:56:34 <vvu> same beagleusb one ?
May 06 16:56:37 <Abhishek_> rcn-ee: The issue tracker for Jessie?
May 06 16:56:59 <azizulhakim> vvu: same repo for all. https://github.com/azizulhakim/beagleusb
May 06 16:57:11 <vvu> ok, description was confusing me :)
May 06 16:57:29 <rcn-ee> Abhishek_, same one as wheezy... or email.. ;)
May 06 16:57:47 <anujdeshpande> ankur: if you are setting up a new one, jekyll blogs on github are legit. keeps everything in markdown, so you could easily copy paste it anywhere later (including mail)
May 06 16:57:52 <azizulhakim> Ok. The descriptions are not updated. Going to update that in couple of minutes.
May 06 16:57:57 <ebadawy> _av500_ speaking of stuff that will be sent with BBB ,, is that will be possible ?
May 06 16:58:10 * Abhishek_ is writing WordPress posts in markdown as well
May 06 16:58:27 <vvu> azizulhakim: do i need to checkout video ?
May 06 16:58:28 <_av500_> ebadawy: what do you need?
May 06 16:58:31 <neemo> anujdeshpande: +1 for Jekyll
May 06 16:58:31 <anujdeshpande> Abhishek_: #GitEverything
May 06 16:58:55 <anujdeshpande> including your laundry and groceries :-P
May 06 16:59:00 <azizulhakim> No, the master branch is merged with that branch. I'll delete the video branch soon.
May 06 16:59:04 <jkridner> _av500_: delegating updating the elinux pages to anyone?
May 06 16:59:05 <ankur> anujdeshpande: sure
May 06 16:59:19 * Abhishek_ just pushed 5 clothes to "laundry"
May 06 16:59:26 <neemo> anujdeshpande: gitrepo:dearDiary ...
May 06 16:59:51 <ebadawy> in my project i'll make some tutorials , , I don't know acutely what i need ,, but if there is anything that could help me with making these tutorials that would be great
May 06 16:59:57 * nerdboy has enough freakin' repos already...
May 06 17:00:18 <anujdeshpande> neemo: lol
May 06 17:00:22 <rcn-ee> nerdboy, you need a repo to manage those repos...
May 06 17:00:28 <anujdeshpande> nerdboy: but .. but .. they are free !
May 06 17:00:36 <Abhishek_> "repo"-ception
May 06 17:00:51 <neemo> rcn-ee: mastaRepo, sounds like a rapper
May 06 17:01:00 <nerdboy> good thing i don't pay too much attention to the gentoo repos or i'd go nuts...
May 06 17:01:49 <anujdeshpande> a git repo manager sounds like fun. kind of like apt-get or dpkg.. #uselessToolIdeas
May 06 17:01:54 <_av500_> ok everybody, the meeting is officially over
May 06 17:01:57 <_av500_> see you all next week
May 06 17:02:02 <_av500_> keep bonding
May 06 17:02:06 <_av500_> check your spam folders
May 06 17:02:14 <arianepaola> _av500_: thanks
May 06 17:02:21 * vvu goes to those #opticalExperiments ...
May 06 17:02:29 <DiegoTc> jkridner: i send you a PM, when you have time please read it :) Thanks
May 06 17:03:22 * nerdboy is not sure if repo is that tool or not...
May 06 17:04:01 <ebadawy> DiegoTc: hangout tomorrow ?
May 06 17:04:09 * neemo takes meeting cup, exchanges it for a mug of tea so dark it would kill a horse 
May 06 17:04:09 <DiegoTc> yes
May 06 17:04:17 <ebadawy> when ?
May 06 17:04:38 <DiegoTc> what time is foryou right now?
May 06 17:04:44 <anujdeshpande> Anybody here have solar pv on their roof ? need tips/links anything. there are too many resources/opinion online
May 06 17:04:47 <ebadawy> 7 pm
May 06 17:05:10 <_av500_> anujdeshpande: sun helps
May 06 17:05:16 <neemo> anujdeshpande: should be something good on eevblog
May 06 17:05:20 <neemo> hlol
May 06 17:05:35 <Abhishek_> anujdeshpande: How much power you are looking to harvest?
May 06 17:06:17 <vvu> azizulhakim: maybe i will bug you later with the video thingie if i have time to test
May 06 17:06:20 * vvu goes offline
May 06 17:06:25 <anujdeshpande> 3kw after looking at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq0f6FXjyMk Have comparable or slightly more space than dave
May 06 17:06:26 <azizulhakim> sure
May 06 17:06:52 <neemo> nerdboy: any ideas on the magnetometer?
May 06 17:07:01 <anujdeshpande> also that was a few years old, and effieciency must have improved
May 06 17:07:04 <nerdboy> specifically what?
May 06 17:07:33 <neemo> nerdboy: I've looked into the one used on the RAX Cubesat from the main research paper
May 06 17:07:57 <neemo> they've been using a PNI MicroMag3 (sorry no link, Great Firewall isn't happy with PNI)
May 06 17:08:12 <neemo> but it's out of production
May 06 17:08:27 <nerdboy> no data sheet or other specs?
May 06 17:08:30 <neemo> not sure if we need a high sample rate one or not
May 06 17:08:45 <neemo> 2000 sample rate
May 06 17:08:48 <neemo> Hz
May 06 17:09:17 <nerdboy> what about the available ones?  how do they compare?
May 06 17:09:18 <neemo> other specs comparable to the IMUs MPU9250
May 06 17:09:53 * alexanderhiam heads to lunch
May 06 17:10:03 <neemo> current ones (from PNI) should be better than the IMUs (haven't) compared all of them yet
May 06 17:10:19 <neemo> but the sample rates are between 10 and 80 Hz
May 06 17:10:22 <nerdboy> as a "user" requirements would vary, but higher sampling rates would be be generally better...
May 06 17:10:28 <neemo> yeah
May 06 17:10:32 <nerdboy> hard to know what people need
May 06 17:11:16 <neemo> I mean, the biggest difference is that if the need for very high sample rates exist, it would justify working on the PRUs to do most of the real-time processing there
May 06 17:11:18 <nerdboy> is that the real/effective sampling rate over the fastest interface
May 06 17:11:28 <DiegoTc> ready jkridner, I send you the address to your email and PM
May 06 17:11:28 <nerdboy> probably SPI i'm assuming...
May 06 17:11:36 <jkridner> thanks
May 06 17:11:49 <neemo> but as alexanderhiam mentioned eariler, if we aren't going high in sampling rates, there's little to gain by sending data around from the ARM core to the PRU and back
May 06 17:12:07 <nerdboy> neemo: that's also the point of "PRU applications"...
May 06 17:12:08 <DiegoTc> jkridner: have you change your mind and will come to Honduras on Agust?
May 06 17:12:17 <DiegoTc> ebadawy: can you at 9PM your time?
May 06 17:12:32 <nerdboy> then make it optional
May 06 17:12:42 <neemo> real/effective sampling rate, the magnetometers I've looked in are mostly below the 160 Hz, SPI goes way higher for transfer
May 06 17:12:53 <nerdboy> ./configure --with-high-speed
May 06 17:13:00 <ebadawy> DiegoTc: yea
May 06 17:13:15 <neemo> nerdboy: yeah, precisely. I mean, we can opt to do all of it on the ARM cores
May 06 17:13:23 <DiegoTc> cool
May 06 17:13:31 <DiegoTc> tomorrow at 9PM your time
May 06 17:13:42 <nerdboy> need to do both
May 06 17:13:45 <neemo> or, if you think it's worth the development time, I can look into the PRU processing (which was the point from the start) and make it something which can be used if needed
May 06 17:13:52 <nerdboy> well, one or the other
May 06 17:14:26 <ebadawy> DiegoTc: Ok ,, 9 pm it is
May 06 17:14:32 <neemo> nerdboy: ok, so develop one method using only the ARM core and one that offloads as much to the PRU as possible?
May 06 17:14:33 <nerdboy> using PRUs is part of the point, anyway...
May 06 17:15:17 <ebadawy> have to go now
May 06 17:15:19 <neemo> nerdboy: yeah. and I'm hoping on using them. But at some point (which should be found by testing) using the PRU gets you diminishing returns because of the memory transfer waits
May 06 17:15:28 <nerdboy> at least some sensors have configurable precision/speed stuff
May 06 17:15:38 <neemo> or at least that's what I've gathered from out discussion, have to test all of it to no for sure anyway
May 06 17:16:06 <nerdboy> find the cutoff point
May 06 17:16:09 <neemo> nerdboy: yeah, most of them should be able to select a sampling rate for the magnetometer (and other stuff)
May 06 17:16:18 <nerdboy>  documenting that would be Good
May 06 17:16:27 <neemo> nerdboy: OK, will keep it in mind
May 06 17:16:48 <neemo> but in that case, I'll need a magnetometer that can go beyond 8Hz of the current MPU9250's
May 06 17:17:18 * nerdboy still enjoying RRFB @ Bonnaroo
May 06 17:17:40 <neemo> they're good as an IMU and drivers for them are already available, but to find the cutoff point I'll need a better sensor
May 06 17:17:42 <nerdboy> neemo: you need to spec one and get the details to jkridner
May 06 17:17:48 <neemo> nerdboy: Will do
May 06 17:18:00 <neemo> if you have some companies in mind which I should screen for the specs
May 06 17:18:12 <nerdboy> the second one doesn't need to be a full imu
May 06 17:18:14 <neemo> point me in their direction :)
May 06 17:18:31 <neemo> yeah
May 06 17:18:40 <nerdboy> you probably know more than i do at this point
May 06 17:18:51 <neemo> I mean, I bought two MPU9250s so I can test some multi magnetometer techniques with them
May 06 17:18:58 * nerdboy hasn't even ordered his berryimu yet
May 06 17:19:12 <neemo> but a dedicated magnetometer will be helpful more than a second IMU
May 06 17:19:19 <ds2> why MPU9250?
May 06 17:19:28 <ds2> did you not read the datasheet?
May 06 17:19:32 <nerdboy> just get one with high speed interface
May 06 17:19:39 <neemo> Ok, I'll dig into the research and try to find new magnetometers used in similair cubesat projects
May 06 17:19:47 <ds2> the MPU9xxx is a MPU6xxx + AKM9xxx
May 06 17:19:57 <ds2> you can by the mag as a sperate chip
May 06 17:21:13 <neemo> ds2: frankly, because it was mentioned in the link for the project and because vmayoral|pc used it in the drone shield
May 06 17:21:13 <neemo> so I was counting on it to have the biggest support done already, which I guess is correct
May 06 17:21:13 <neemo> ds2: is there a better option for the IMU?
May 06 17:21:14 <ds2> s/by/buy/
May 06 17:21:56 <ds2> neemo: no, I mean your multi-mag experiments
May 06 17:22:09 <ds2> neemo: you can do MPU6xxx + 2 AKM9xxx
May 06 17:22:49 <neemo> ds2: yeah, but I didn't find a AKM9 module on Taobao before I've ordered two MPU9250s
May 06 17:23:11 <neemo> so I've got two MPUs for the testing here now
May 06 17:23:12 <ds2> sorry, AKM8963
May 06 17:23:21 <rcn-ee> ds2, it's not 100% bullit proof... but it'll generate a ro image.. ;) https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder/commit/fef73406347b978172136a63ba1a8ba6b5a5fbd4
May 06 17:23:24 <ds2> Oh you mean boards
May 06 17:23:57 <ds2> rcn-ee: I'll give that a try when I get a chance. need to do some mechanical/electrical first
May 06 17:24:06 <neemo> the actual sattelite should have one IMU and one dedicated magntometer
May 06 17:24:06 <neemo> be it a second AKM or something more beefier
May 06 17:24:23 <ds2> neemo: have you evaluated the usual HMC parts ? lots of boards for those
May 06 17:25:00 <ds2> like the classic HMC5883
May 06 17:26:47 <nerdboy> okay, the readme isn't quite enough...
May 06 17:27:00 <nerdboy> beagle + android + desktop?
May 06 17:27:21 * nerdboy still not sure exactly what goes where...
May 06 17:28:03 <nerdboy> as in which one gets the beagle.ko module?
May 06 17:28:15 <neemo> ds2: looked into it a bit before
May 06 17:28:32 <neemo> 160 Hz mag readouts is it's limit
May 06 17:28:39 <ds2> hmm?
May 06 17:28:50 <neemo> while the PNI mag3 got a 2 kHz readout speed
May 06 17:29:13 <neemo> So I'm looking for something equivalent to that since it was used in the original research work
May 06 17:29:27 <ds2> ah I see it now
May 06 17:29:32 <ds2> most of my apps are run at 50Hz :D
May 06 17:29:34 <neemo> the PNI mag3 is out of production or so I see
May 06 17:30:23 <neemo> Well, actually I'm not sure where the cutoff point will be, but I'm guessing more readouts is better for a cubesat that's supposed to woosh around earth for a short time :)
May 06 17:32:54 <neemo> brb, going on vpn to try and find the answer
May 06 17:39:48 <neem0_> it would seem they still sell the MicroMag modules
May 06 17:39:50 <neem0_> http://www.pnicorp.com/products/micromag-modules
May 06 17:40:10 <neem0_> they aren't cheap at $43 and $61
May 06 17:47:55 <nerdboy> not too bad...
May 06 17:48:53 <neem0_> looking into the datasheet on their website
May 06 17:49:58 <neem0_> the website is in a bit of a mess and the datasheet missing
May 06 17:50:04 <neem0_> sparkfun has it though
May 06 17:50:05 <neem0_> https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Sensors/MicroMag3%20Data%20Sheet.pdf
May 06 17:52:26 <nerdboy> looks good
May 06 17:52:43 <nerdboy> spi and 2KHz
May 06 17:56:21 <nerdboy> can we buy the micromag somewhere?  sparkfun has it retired...
May 06 17:57:09 <neemo> and my vpn crashed
May 06 17:57:50 * neemo reading the messages I missed 
May 06 17:58:35 <neemo> nerdboy: yeah sparkfun retired the module
May 06 17:58:50 <neemo> but I've got buy me links on the pni website
May 06 17:58:55 <neemo> http://www.pnicorp.com/products/micromag-modules
May 06 17:59:35 <neemo> not sure if they're broken and forgotten
May 06 18:00:30 <neemo> nerdboy: I'll look around for other magnetometer modules and hopefully report back with more of them
May 06 18:00:49 <neemo> If not, the mag3 is our best bet, if it's available
May 06 18:05:20 <alexanderhiam> neemo, nerdboy: there's some on Tindie https://www.tindie.com/search/#q=spi%20magnetometer
May 06 18:06:40 <ds2> rather then looking for mags, why not identify the specs you need first
May 06 18:07:01 <ds2> if you really need 2KHz or faster rates, there are plenty of parts around
May 06 18:08:28 <neemo> alexanderhiam: tindie isn't happy with China
May 06 18:08:41 <alexanderhiam> :(
May 06 18:08:43 * neemo counting the days I'll be free of this joke of an internet connection
May 06 18:08:54 <nerdboy> maybe not plenty...  most newer ones seem to have i2c and lower update rates
May 06 18:09:18 <ds2> there are plenty and worse case you build up an analog sensor
May 06 18:09:22 <neemo> isn't fun anymore :/, but I'll look at it in a bit, when I get some more vpn goodness
May 06 18:09:24 <nerdboy> maybe RMI3100 but it only goes up to 550Hz
May 06 18:09:36 <ds2> now if you wnat to limit yourself to openly documented ones, then the field becomes a lot smaller
May 06 18:09:44 <neemo> nerdboy: looked at that one yeah, but its around $100 right?
May 06 18:09:53 <neemo> ds2: yeah
May 06 18:09:55 <nerdboy> $69
May 06 18:10:00 <neemo> oh ok
May 06 18:10:07 <ds2> even if it claims it can do that, you need to study the datasheet
May 06 18:10:37 <ds2> some of them have internal re-cals that prevent you from getting a X-Hz stream where X is some large number
May 06 18:10:39 <neemo> still, sampling rate is I guess the spec we're looking for, at least for the testing part to find the sweet spot
May 06 18:10:41 <nerdboy> price shouldn't be an issue for google unless it gets really high..
May 06 18:11:09 <neemo> ds2: yeah, looking into the sheets
May 06 18:11:10 * nerdboy would go with legacy micromag3
May 06 18:11:33 <neemo> unfortunately, some companies like to throw them in some inaccesible corner of the interweb
May 06 18:11:41 <ds2> neemo: you got to look at each one or understand the physics behind it. those restrictions are comingfrom the underlying physics of the sensor
May 06 18:12:14 <ds2> hence, I think for an open source project like GSoC, listing requirements rather then nailing down a paper is more essential
May 06 18:12:59 <neemo> true
May 06 18:14:21 <neemo> though currently, I have no specific guidelines for the requirements, since we're working on a cubesat platform which will be used by other people for some purpose they want to achieve
May 06 18:14:56 <neemo> I've been reading on the papers, and I guess measuring the earth magnetosphere is one of the main points of such cubesats and I'd expect a lot of groups to be working on that
May 06 18:15:04 <ds2> but you should based on the math requirements
May 06 18:15:33 <nerdboy> the requirement is higher than the typical i2c update rates for "compass" or imu stuff
May 06 18:15:57 <nerdboy> micromag 3-axis is best example i've seen so far
May 06 18:16:23 <ds2> nerdboy: anything that works out the math from rate of movement to specific nyquist sampling requirements
May 06 18:16:24 <neemo> nerdboy: the end goal of the cubesat is to be able to rotate and position itself for orbital imaging
May 06 18:16:25 <nerdboy> good precision and speed, most others aren't even close
May 06 18:16:54 <nerdboy> the goal of the IMU piece you mean
May 06 18:17:14 <nerdboy> other part is data acquisition/processing
May 06 18:17:25 <ds2> aren't the micromags mini fluxgates?
May 06 18:17:35 <neemo> how much precision is needed from the sensor? I mean a 7 km/s speed in LEO is realistic I think
May 06 18:18:20 <neemo> at 10 hz, that's a measurement every 700 m. Is that good enough for positioning on some part of the earth
May 06 18:18:24 <nerdboy> going by data sheets the newer/available/cheaper ones don't look so good
May 06 18:18:51 <nerdboy> again, don't confuse the IMU measurements with data acq
May 06 18:18:57 <neemo> ds2: think so, trying to access the technology paper at PNIs website
May 06 18:19:38 <neemo> nerdboy: we have to separate applications, right?
May 06 18:19:44 <nerdboy> actually the imu needs a higher speed interface as well, to apply the noise algorithm
May 06 18:20:31 <nerdboy> at least one had second interface to get at the internal data
May 06 18:21:10 * nerdboy has dentist appt...
May 06 18:21:22 <neemo> one is to use the mag readouts to position the cubesat for any other purpose later on, the other is to read and store the mag measurements for data aquisiton (eg. measuring the earths magnetic field)
May 06 18:21:56 <nerdboy> neemo: your homework for today is the requirements piece
May 06 18:22:24 <neemo> a higher sample rate sensor gives you more data points for the correction parameter computation either way, which is good
May 06 18:22:38 <nerdboy> at least as far as what interfaces/sampling rates are in the available parts
May 06 18:23:02 <neemo> ok, scoped most of the spec sheets, but I'll look for other sensors as well
May 06 18:23:37 <neemo> as for the requirements. I'll need a specific purpose to try to figure them out
May 06 18:23:46 <nerdboy> can you put it in a gooly spreadsheet doc or something?
May 06 18:24:19 <neemo> eg. we need to have position data every ____ (so often) to be able to position ourselves properly, or something of that sorts
May 06 18:24:22 <nerdboy> (almost) too assumptions for that
May 06 18:24:45 <nerdboy> that would be the minimum for postition/attitude
May 06 18:25:06 <nerdboy> find that and then we can see what more can be done
May 06 18:25:25 <neemo> aye, I'll look for papers on cubesats that discuss that part
May 06 18:26:03 <neemo> since I have no idea what the overall speed requirements might look like
May 06 18:26:14 <neemo> nerdboy ds2 alexanderhiam: any links much appreciated
May 06 18:26:40 <neemo> I"ll crawl the interwebs when my vpn comes back on.
May 06 18:28:03 <nerdboy> could use ISS orbit +/- as baseline
May 06 18:29:31 <neemo> nerdboy: that high up? I counted on a 200km orbit, but I'll look what the other guys used as well
May 06 18:30:20 <nerdboy> they hand-launch cubesats from ISS
May 06 18:31:22 <neemo> nerdboy: oh right, was reading on the launcher
May 06 18:32:12 <neemo> ok will look into it, when the lines clear up during the night
May 06 18:32:27 <neemo> nerdboy: good luck at the dentists
May 06 18:33:40 * neemo goes on to finish reading about dead people in A Game of Thrones
May 06 20:28:57 <azizulhakim> vvu: praveendath92: I've added some docs in https://github.com/azizulhakim/beagleusb for startup
May 06 20:29:26 <azizulhakim> for android app use android-studio branch from https://github.com/azizulhakim/bard-droid
May 06 20:31:14 <praveendath92> Perfect
May 06 20:31:30 <praveendath92> For docs, you may try mdwiki
May 06 20:32:08 <praveendath92> It generates beautiful site, all from markdown
May 06 20:32:10 <praveendath92> http://praveenkumar.co.in/mdroid/#!index.md
May 06 20:35:32 <vvu> azizulhakim: testing right now but for some unknown reason the beagleusb app is not called when i plug in my n5
May 06 20:35:40 <praveendath92> azizulhakim: https://github.com/praveendath92/adk-driver/blob/master/devices.h#L182
May 06 20:36:53 <vvu> azizulhakim: https://gist.github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/7a7fa70d4ee538ef62e3
May 06 20:38:23 <vvu> seems like is not probing for me....maybe i messed up smth
May 06 20:46:50 <nerdboy> pelican is same thing
May 06 20:47:04 <nerdboy> works with rst and markdown
May 06 20:47:09 * nerdboy prefers rst
May 06 20:47:28 <praveendath92> vvu: ping
May 06 20:47:43 <praveendath92> Nexus product id is 4ee1 ?
May 06 20:47:48 <praveendath92> Nexus 5*
May 06 20:49:37 <nerdboy> https://github.com/getpelican/pelican
May 06 21:03:33 <vvu> there is smth wrong with linux mint
May 06 21:03:38 <vvu> lsusb reports that i have a nexus 4
May 06 21:03:47 <vvu> and dmesgs prints that i have a nexus 5 :)
May 06 21:06:20 <praveendath92> That's one strange report!
May 06 21:06:39 <praveendath92> azizulhakim: Just added support to Google devices as well.
May 06 21:06:43 <vvu> https://gist.github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/29bc1759edd882818c80
May 06 21:07:42 <vvu> typed from nexus 5
May 06 21:08:08 <vvu> azizulhakim: the keystrokes for the digits are +1...if i type 4 from my nexus i get 6 in the linux box :)
May 06 21:08:27 <vvu> but mouse and keyboard work nice :)
May 06 21:08:53 <praveendath92> Nice.
May 06 21:13:03 <praveendath92> azizulhakim: You may pull the changes to adk-driver. https://github.com/praveendath92/adk-driver
May 06 21:13:35 <praveendath92> Just added all the nexus line manually so, there should be no additional setup needed from user.
May 06 21:13:59 <praveendath92> vvu: azizulhakim: Correct me if I used wrong product ids there.
May 06 21:15:20 <vvu> nexus5 is ok
May 06 21:15:35 <vvu> i do have a n7 but no power to check if that is the pid
May 06 21:19:33 <vvu> i think we are really ok with the project for start...need to fix that video driver :)
May 06 21:38:27 <azizulhakim> vvu: praveendat92: sorry guys, was out. have you been able to run both framebuffer and input driver together?
May 06 21:38:53 <vvu> azizulhakim: input driver yes, audio have no idea why Linux Mint does not see it and video did not test
May 06 21:40:00 <azizulhakim> okay, yesterday I tested all 3 together in bone, something wrong with audio driver which causes it crash at 2nd run
May 06 21:40:23 <azizulhakim> i thought audio driver was the most well performing :(
May 06 21:42:01 <vvu> let me see again
May 06 21:42:16 <vvu> oh, forgot i switched back to OS X :)
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