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May 11 10:38:45 <jic23> hohum. Sometimes I like my job.  24+ large cakes being using in tests.  All need to be 'disposed' of afterwards ;)  It's going to be a 'fat' weekend.
May 11 12:30:22 <jkridner> hi pdp7. did you collect links for the newsletter? PocketNC will be at Maker Faire.
May 11 12:59:41 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Are you there?
May 11 13:00:09 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I am done with the video. Just having problems converting it to flv
May 11 13:01:19 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, When I am converting it,it is eating away a part of the video.Like a part of the screen on every frame is just black.Unable to figure out the problem :(
May 11 13:10:19 <bradfa> hi chanakya_vc
May 11 13:10:32 <bradfa> why do you have to convert it?
May 11 13:10:36 <bradfa> what format is it in now?
May 11 13:12:34 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I just checked mp4 is also supported by Youtube
May 11 13:12:49 <chanakya_vc> But I have to clip certain portions away.
May 11 13:13:15 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: ok
May 11 13:39:53 <jkridner> pdp7: ping
May 11 13:54:50 <ZeekHuge> I believe he is correct ... Anyways good article it is, fellow students  : http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2016/05/a-tip-for-dealing-with-first-gsoc-weeks.html
May 11 13:54:59 <ZeekHuge> chanakya_vc: ^^
May 11 14:00:37 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, Read it. Done with the video?
May 11 14:01:05 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, In my case the video quality is decreasing a lot on uploading it :(
May 11 14:01:21 <chanakya_vc> And Audio quality as well
May 11 14:01:25 <ZeekHuge> Really ?
May 11 14:01:32 <ZeekHuge> Basically what utube does it
May 11 14:01:50 <ZeekHuge> it compresses the video with its really good algos
May 11 14:02:06 <ZeekHuge> and makes them available at different quality levels.
May 11 14:02:20 <ZeekHuge> So, Maybe you are looking at a lower quality level ?
May 11 14:02:36 <chanakya_vc> Audio is still gone
May 11 14:02:47 <chanakya_vc>  :(
May 11 14:03:08 <ZeekHuge> So even if the video is about 700MBs, thats not what will be the case when you download it back.
May 11 14:03:22 <ZeekHuge> what the size of the video on your system >
May 11 14:03:23 <ZeekHuge> ?
May 11 14:04:26 <chanakya_vc> 77.2 MB
May 11 14:05:06 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, Check it out:https://youtu.be/5b6XFH7PPHw
May 11 14:05:39 <chanakya_vc> Audio is not understandable at all :(
May 11 14:19:31 <pmezydlo> hi m_w
May 11 14:20:07 <m_w> hey
May 11 14:20:48 <m_w> you have a bunch of email feedback now
May 11 14:21:07 <m_w> how do you feel about it?
May 11 14:22:06 <zeekhuge_> oh yes .. chanakya_vc : But how ?
May 11 14:22:22 <zeekhuge_> What software did you use ?
May 11 14:22:32 <zeekhuge_> and whats the size of the file ?
May 11 14:22:43 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, Pitivi
May 11 14:22:43 <zeekhuge_> the complete video file .
May 11 14:23:08 <pmezydlo> m_w: For me it would be easier for the Pru or FPGA. But I think that McSPI is best option
May 11 14:23:16 <chanakya_vc> I have uploaded the original mp4 now.
May 11 14:23:25 <pmezydlo> m_w:What do you think about it
May 11 14:23:35 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, ^^ Should be live in a couple of minutes
May 11 14:23:50 <zeekhuge_> okay ..
May 11 14:24:35 <ZeekHuge> so what do you think the reason was ? for bad audio ?
May 11 14:24:41 <m_w> pmezydlo: I think that if we stick with the McSPI we need to change the scope of the project a bit
May 11 14:26:17 <m_w> the framework will still be implemented but only for basic SPI communication not hardware emulation
May 11 14:26:38 <ZeekHuge> chanakya_vc: what the link to you slides ?
May 11 14:27:14 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, I have no clue regarding that. I converted into flv and clipped out certain portions.
May 11 14:27:28 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uiiYU84X3GcmgM4OKw0qjuvY9lHI7RCJLVd6SMHfqt4/edit#slide=id.g742e3e7cd_1_16
May 11 14:27:31 <pmezydlo> m_w:so necessary, can trigger hardware interrupts from McSPI
May 11 14:27:47 <m_w> are the videos due today?
May 11 14:28:05 <pmezydlo> yes
May 11 14:28:10 <pmezydlo> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2016_Projects
May 11 14:28:56 <pmezydlo> I think it is OK
May 11 14:29:57 <m_w> yeah we know what is going on
May 11 14:30:50 <m_w> but it could not hurt to mention that the SPI NOR might not work and it is not the goal of the project to perform hardware emulation
May 11 14:31:07 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: got a link to a better audio version of your video?
May 11 14:31:21 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Just a minute more
May 11 14:31:24 <bradfa> k
May 11 14:32:57 <pmezydlo> m_w:so I created a video before
May 11 14:33:07 <m_w> yeah I saw that
May 11 14:33:52 <m_w> projects evolve
May 11 14:34:02 <bradfa> pmezydlo: nice job on the video! :)
May 11 14:34:07 <m_w> sometimes quickly
May 11 14:35:00 <m_w> why only 2 videos so far?
May 11 14:35:13 <m_w> 4 entries
May 11 14:35:34 <pmezydlo> I created video all three days
May 11 14:36:04 <pmezydlo> bradfa: thanks, This is what it should be
May 11 14:36:29 <m_w> pmezydlo: I like how promptly you posted your video.
May 11 14:36:46 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyaebfssmyE
May 11 14:37:16 <chanakya_vc> m_w, mdp foreverska Please tell me what do you think about it?
May 11 14:37:29 <m_w> watching
May 11 14:37:53 <m_w> the audio is working now
May 11 14:38:00 <bradfa> yes, audio is much better in this one
May 11 14:39:30 <chanakya_vc> There is background noise though :(
May 11 14:39:52 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: slide 4 is much better in your video than the draft yesterday :)
May 11 14:40:47 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I took your advice : )
May 11 14:41:00 <m_w> chanakya_vc: at least it doesn't sound like aliens from outer space
May 11 14:43:05 <chanakya_vc> m_w, Haha. It is what I could do in three hours
May 11 14:43:11 <chanakya_vc> : )
May 11 14:43:52 <m_w> I say it is good, post it to the wiki.
May 11 14:44:01 <foreverska> Yea, sounds good
May 11 14:46:53 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: good video! :)
May 11 14:52:29 <pmezydlo> m_w: back to the topic, what is your opinion, what is the best option?
May 11 14:53:13 <m_w> well I would go with the McSPI based on the feedback from bradfa
May 11 14:53:51 <m_w> but then make the transaction model simpler in the framework
May 11 14:56:15 <chanakya_vc> bradfa,foreverska,m_w Thanks !!
May 11 14:56:33 <chanakya_vc> m_w, I have give the link on the elinux page?
May 11 14:57:10 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I have an exam tomorrow. So I won't be able to stay for long in the meeting.
May 11 14:57:26 <m_w> chanakya_vc: for the video?
May 11 14:57:28 <m_w> yes
May 11 14:57:47 <chanakya_vc> m_w, Yes. Okay
May 11 14:58:10 <pmezydlo> m_w:Today I will do commit to my repository. I'm now working on a dynamic debug.
May 11 14:58:36 <m_w> pmezydlo: great
May 11 14:59:17 <m_w> pmezydlo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww6j1qgcdfo
May 11 14:59:33 <m_w> this is a great video about writing a linux framework
May 11 15:01:55 <pmezydlo> m_w: yeah, here's what I need
May 11 15:05:44 <ZeekHuge> Working on the slides : https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1meFhSMgK6WpFmEJ_NYulykTftlbUWYKDSFdkMECX5Jk/edit?usp=sharing
May 11 15:05:59 <ZeekHuge> (please run in presentation mode :) )
May 11 15:06:07 <ZeekHuge> m_w, ds2 ^^
May 11 15:06:53 <ZeekHuge> Just a few more slides .. maybe 3-4 ..
May 11 15:07:00 <m_w> lots of pictures
May 11 15:07:35 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: if you can put your video embedded into the gsoc 2016 page like pmezydlo did, that would be good, thanks!
May 11 15:07:49 <ZeekHuge> m_w: is that a good thing ?
May 11 15:08:00 <m_w> ZeekHuge: sure
May 11 15:08:06 <chanakya_vc> bradfa,On it. Had stopped to take a snack brake : )
May 11 15:08:16 <ZeekHuge> bradfa: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1meFhSMgK6WpFmEJ_NYulykTftlbUWYKDSFdkMECX5Jk/edit?usp=sharing . Please have a look ..
May 11 15:08:53 <m_w> I would pull it together with intro and conclusion slides
May 11 15:08:58 <ZeekHuge> contains some animations .. so in presentation mode.
May 11 15:09:45 <m_w> tell us about yourself a little
May 11 15:09:53 <ZeekHuge> intro ? as in the intro of the team ?
May 11 15:09:54 <chanakya_vc> *break
May 11 15:10:03 <ZeekHuge> okay.
May 11 15:10:06 <ZeekHuge> yes.
May 11 15:12:23 <chanakya_vc> bradfa Done Please have a look at the elinux page
May 11 15:13:27 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: um... I think you did it wrong...
May 11 15:13:47 <bradfa> I now see pmezydlo  project showing the ctag face2 vidoe and your project showing pmezydlo's video but no sign of your video
May 11 15:14:03 <m_w> I see the video
May 11 15:14:13 <m_w> refresh the page maybe
May 11 15:14:24 <chanakya_vc> It is showing correctly at my end
May 11 15:14:28 <bradfa> ah, ok, apparently a single refresh wasn't enough or youtube messed up
May 11 15:14:34 <bradfa> looks ok now, sorry for the scare :)
May 11 15:14:49 * bradfa blames youtube :)
May 11 15:14:58 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: looks good, thanks!
May 11 15:15:23 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Thank you. Meet you in about 45 Minutes
May 11 15:16:55 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, You haven't put your name or the name of the mentors on the first slide :P
May 11 15:19:10 <ZeekHuge> chanakya_vc: Yep. Was planning to introduce the team near the end.
May 11 15:22:21 <m_w> http://sweng.the-davies.net/Home/rustys-api-design-manifesto
May 11 15:25:12 <alexhiam> chanakya_vc: so for SPI you're just implementing 8, 16 and 32 bit frames?
May 11 15:26:47 <chanakya_vc> alexhiam, 8 ,16,32 bit word sizes. I am not sure what you mean by frames?
May 11 15:27:33 <chanakya_vc> Infact ds2 had said that anything above 8 was not required.
May 11 15:28:18 <chanakya_vc> When I say word size,I mean size of the SPI shift register used.
May 11 15:28:19 <alexhiam> oh, they're synonymous
May 11 15:28:29 <alexhiam> I'm writing some code for an NXP ARM and they say frame instead of word, so I guess it's on the mind
May 11 15:28:43 <chanakya_vc> Ohh.
May 11 15:28:57 <chanakya_vc> alexhiam, You would want more than that?
May 11 15:29:22 <chanakya_vc> more than 32 bit?
May 11 15:29:25 <alexhiam> no, I'm just double checking - in the audio you say 'all word sizes'
May 11 15:29:44 <alexhiam> SPI doesn't actually have any defined word sizes, it's totally arbitrary
May 11 15:30:12 <alexhiam> some devices have odd, non-power-of-2 word sizes
May 11 15:30:48 <alexhiam> but between 8- and 16-bit words you can talk to just about everything I think
May 11 15:31:26 <alexhiam> e.g. devices that spec 12-bit words will often work with 16-bit words and just pad with 0s
May 11 15:38:36 <chanakya_vc> alexhiam, I could think of introducing this as a user defined parameter
May 11 15:39:08 <chanakya_vc> However it will be tricky incase of RPMsg
May 11 15:39:18 <chanakya_vc> due to fixed size of one buffer
May 11 15:39:49 <alexhiam> chanakya_vc: it could certainly be coded in a way that it just takes an arbitrary word size as a parameter, but it's a bit more complicated because you'd have to calculate the word boundaries
May 11 15:39:56 <alexhiam> I wouldn't worry about it
May 11 15:40:20 <alexhiam> it can always be enhanced post-gsoc
May 11 15:41:11 <chanakya_vc> alexhiam, Yes : ) The first goal is to meet the basic features mentioned in the proposal : )
May 11 15:41:37 <alexhiam> actually, I think the Linux SPI spec has a convention for arbitrary word sizes where it left aligns them in the next largest power of 2 bytes, padding the right with 0s
May 11 15:43:04 <chanakya_vc> alexhiam, Will have to check that. No idea about it as of now.
May 11 15:43:34 <alexhiam> I'd say you can totally ignore that for now
May 11 15:45:35 <chanakya_vc> alexhiam, Okay : ) 15 minutes more.
May 11 15:47:40 <alexhiam> if a video gets posted every 3.5 minutes we'll have them all up by the meeting...
May 11 15:49:19 <alexhiam> pmezydlo: are you set on using eclipse?
May 11 15:50:39 <pmezydlo> alexhiam: yes, what are you recommend?
May 11 15:51:17 <alexhiam> can you actually setup eclipse for Linux driver dev?
May 11 15:52:18 <kiran4399> Am I in for the meeting?
May 11 15:52:27 <chanakya_vc> alexhiam, A lot of my seniors have told me that eclipse is better than CCS.
May 11 15:52:38 <chanakya_vc> alexhiam, What do you think?
May 11 15:53:24 <chanakya_vc> hey kiran4399 ! Have you joined the GSOC group on fb?
May 11 15:53:46 <pmezydlo> alexhiam: I run all the tests on the Beagle and compile driver on beagle in eclipse only I write code
May 11 15:53:58 <alexhiam> pmezydlo: emacs!
May 11 15:54:05 <kiran4399> chanakya_vc: send me the link..
May 11 15:54:07 <m_w> vim!
May 11 15:54:28 <alexhiam> commence flame war
May 11 15:54:35 <m_w> :)
May 11 15:54:46 <pmezydlo> yeah I try emacs
May 11 15:55:03 <alexhiam> pmezydlo: use what your comfortable with, I was just worried you might be trying to wrangle eclipse to build the kernel
May 11 15:55:03 <chanakya_vc> m_w, alexhiam We had quite the discussion the other day on emacs vs vim vs sublime
May 11 15:55:17 <kiran4399> alexhiam: when is the meeting?
May 11 15:55:23 <m_w> 5 minutes
May 11 15:55:41 <alexhiam> you mean you compared the emacs operating system to those measly text editors?!
May 11 15:55:45 <alexhiam> :P
May 11 15:56:26 * alexhiam actually primarily uses sublime these days, despite knowing that emacs is the greatest program ever written
May 11 15:57:07 <alexhiam> henrix_: that robot voice in your video... I can't parse it at all!
May 11 15:57:27 <pmezydlo> alexhiam: I will remember ^emacs^
May 11 15:57:38 <chanakya_vc> kiran4399, Are you on fb?You can only join if invited
May 11 15:57:54 <kiran4399> chanakya_vc: Kiran Kumar Lekkala
May 11 15:58:09 <amragaey> hi all
May 11 15:58:14 <alexhiam> howdy
May 11 15:58:43 <pmezydlo> hi
May 11 15:58:46 <chanakya_vc> kiran4399, IIITH?
May 11 15:58:58 <kiran4399> chanakya_vc: IIITS
May 11 15:59:38 <kiran4399> chanakya_vc: are you vaibhav choudary?
May 11 15:59:47 <chanakya_vc> Yes
May 11 16:00:03 <kiran4399> chanakya_vc: then what is chanakya for?
May 11 16:00:16 <alexhiam> ok, meeting time!
May 11 16:00:33 * alexhiam is filling in for av500
May 11 16:00:47 <chanakya_vc> kiran4399, I am greatly inspired by the historical figure. Family descends from him : )
May 11 16:00:53 <chanakya_vc> okay alexhiam
May 11 16:00:55 <alexhiam> roll call - who's here?
May 11 16:01:09 <alexhiam> students, that is
May 11 16:01:12 <kiran4399> 1
May 11 16:01:23 <pmezydlo> 2
May 11 16:01:54 <ds2> hmmmm
May 11 16:01:54 <henrix_> hi
May 11 16:01:57 <chanakya_vc> Me
May 11 16:02:17 <alexhiam> ahoy Visaoni
May 11 16:02:22 <chanakya_vc> kiran4399, You are already a member
May 11 16:02:30 <Visaoni> hey :)
May 11 16:02:37 <alexhiam> that's 5...
May 11 16:02:40 <kiran4399> chanakya_vc: Oh.. is it?? :-P
May 11 16:03:15 <m_w> ZeekHuge: you here?
May 11 16:03:17 <nerdboy> dropping like flies?
May 11 16:03:36 <rma_> hi all
May 11 16:03:39 <alexhiam> amragaey: you here?
May 11 16:03:42 <alexhiam> hi rma_
May 11 16:03:55 <chanakya_vc> kiran4399, Yes some connection. Difficult to find direct relation to someone who lived over 2300 years ago :P
May 11 16:04:09 <amragaey> alexhiam, yess
May 11 16:04:28 <alexhiam> that's 6, we're so close!
May 11 16:04:43 <alexhiam> ZeekHuge: hello??
May 11 16:04:53 <chanakya_vc> Only ZeekHuge missing
May 11 16:05:12 <m_w> he was here a few minutes ago
May 11 16:05:36 <nerdboy> murphy's law says the one who's always here will be missing...
May 11 16:05:41 <chanakya_vc> He must be working on the video
May 11 16:05:44 <alexhiam> ok, well, on to business...
May 11 16:05:58 <alexhiam> 1) VIDEOS
May 11 16:06:12 <alexhiam> I only see 3!
May 11 16:06:19 <nerdboy> still at #3
May 11 16:06:37 <alexhiam> they were supposed to be up by this meeting!
May 11 16:07:01 <alexhiam> anyone stuck on their video?
May 11 16:07:46 <ZeekHuge> I am here !
May 11 16:07:47 <kiran4399> alexhiam: I am done. where should I post the link?
May 11 16:07:47 <ZeekHuge> Sorry !
May 11 16:07:52 <alexhiam> kiran4399, Visaoni, amragaey, ZeekHuge: what's the status of your videos?
May 11 16:07:54 <Visaoni> I'll get mine up by tonight
May 11 16:07:55 <ZeekHuge> alexhiam: present!
May 11 16:07:58 <alexhiam> kiran4399: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2016_Projects
May 11 16:08:03 <alexhiam> hi ZeekHuge!
May 11 16:08:13 <alexhiam> is this our first meeting with all 7?!
May 11 16:08:16 <ZeekHuge> Mine will be up before by 13th !
May 11 16:08:35 <ZeekHuge> I think yes.
May 11 16:08:45 <alexhiam> ZeekHuge: ok, you stuck on anything or just short on time?
May 11 16:09:12 <ZeekHuge> Short on time .. exams + payoneer thing + a few more stuff here ..
May 11 16:09:29 <ZeekHuge> Sorry ! but will be up by 13th
May 11 16:09:41 <alexhiam> ZeekHuge: ok, be sure to ask if you have any trouble!
May 11 16:09:48 <ZeekHuge> Will do ! :)
May 11 16:10:07 <m_w> so who else has an excuse for not posting their video?
May 11 16:10:13 <kiran4399> alexhiam: did you give me access to edit the page?
May 11 16:10:28 <alexhiam> that leaves Visaoni and amragaey: what's the status of your videos???
May 11 16:10:40 <amragaey> alexhiam, I was waiting for proposal feedback to get to my video. I'm preparing slides and some ideas for video.
May 11 16:10:43 <alexhiam> kiran4399: did you request it? I don't think I can give access...
May 11 16:10:59 <chanakya_vc> kiran4399, Do you have an account on elinux?
May 11 16:11:16 <chanakya_vc> Only then can you edit stuff
May 11 16:11:24 <alexhiam> amragaey: right, I guess we did just redo your timeline a bit. Any idea of when you'll get it up?
May 11 16:11:27 <amragaey> alexhiam, I have a final exam tomorrow. So I may execuse you to deliver it by Friday max.
May 11 16:11:42 <alexhiam> amragaey: ok, Friday sounds good
May 11 16:11:50 <ZeekHuge> My slides are almost done : https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1meFhSMgK6WpFmEJ_NYulykTftlbUWYKDSFdkMECX5Jk/edit?usp=sharing
May 11 16:12:16 <nerdboy> every project needs some marketing materials...
May 11 16:12:16 <ZeekHuge> ds2: ^^
May 11 16:12:28 <amragaey> alexhiam, well thanks
May 11 16:12:47 <nerdboy> and mips gcc needs more abi documentation...
May 11 16:13:16 <alexhiam> Visaoni: you still here?
May 11 16:13:22 <Visaoni> alexhiam: I'll get it up tonight. same story as everybody else I suppose - school is acting up
May 11 16:13:25 <nerdboy> just thought i'd throw that in there...
May 11 16:13:38 <alexhiam> Visaoni: ok, sounds good
May 11 16:13:54 * nerdboy sends prof to bed without supper
May 11 16:14:06 <alexhiam> ok, that's videos out of the way...
May 11 16:14:22 <Visaoni> heh, if only I could...
May 11 16:14:59 <alexhiam> 2) Blocking issues - anyone have any??
May 11 16:15:21 <chanakya_vc> Blocking Issues?
May 11 16:15:30 <rma_> just waiting for HW
May 11 16:16:01 <alexhiam> does everyone who hasn't posted there video yet know how to get an elinux account?
May 11 16:16:11 <alexhiam> *their* :(
May 11 16:16:43 <ZeekHuge> I have already made the project entry there :)
May 11 16:16:53 * Visaoni already has one
May 11 16:17:02 <alexhiam> if not, you press the 'request account' link ;)
May 11 16:17:31 <m_w> hint: it is up in the top right corner :)
May 11 16:17:35 * nerdboy presses harder
May 11 16:17:56 <alexhiam> let me ask this way - besides not having hardware, if coding started today would everyone know what to do?
May 11 16:18:25 <ZeekHuge> about blocking issue : There was some problem there with the remoteproc drivers. I asked my mentors and panto-cloud for help and finally mailed Summan, but havent received any reply. Though we have a workaround for it,
May 11 16:19:07 <ds2> ZeekHuge: the module unload thing?
May 11 16:19:14 <ZeekHuge> yep.
May 11 16:19:49 <alexhiam> right, a few projects are using remoteproc. Can we all commit to using the same version? Like what ships with the Debian 8.3 / Linux 4.1.x images?
May 11 16:20:20 <ds2> ZeekHuge: avoid modules for the time being
May 11 16:20:39 <ds2> alexhiam: it isn't that simple... there is a TI rewrite
May 11 16:20:46 <alexhiam> what's the module unload thing?
May 11 16:21:00 <alexhiam> ds2: right, but is the ti rewrite done/usable yet?
May 11 16:21:24 <alexhiam> and is it enough of a rewrite that porting to it will be a pain?
May 11 16:21:29 <ds2> alexhiam: done, no.useable... that is the theory.
May 11 16:21:39 <chanakya_vc> alexhiam, I too would use RPMsg(Uses the Remoteproc) if I go through that route. But I am not sure if there been any changes in it.
May 11 16:21:42 <ZeekHuge> ds2: okay.
May 11 16:21:57 <chanakya_vc> In the newer kernel versions
May 11 16:21:58 <ds2> alexhiam: my views are, we will always have to port... the main essence if the PRU not how it is booted
May 11 16:23:32 <alexhiam> ds2: do you think it's worth using the ti rewrite? and can we build that on 4.1, or would we need to run the 4.4.x kernel (which seems like it might be less than stable?)?
May 11 16:24:48 <alexhiam> I guess that can be decided per project, as long as we don't end up with anyone working on the remoteproc rewrite instead of their project!
May 11 16:25:06 <_av500_> hi guys, I'm still stuck afk.. :(
May 11 16:25:07 <henrix_> I'm using the TI DSPLIB and C66x GStreamer template to offload calculations to DSPs. Hope it's not that buggy
May 11 16:25:24 <ds2> alexhiam: the problem is that is likely to be the mainline version "soon"
May 11 16:25:25 <henrix_> (instead of "directly" using remoteproc)
May 11 16:25:35 <nerdboy> can't we get jkridner/rcn/denix to say what the state is?
May 11 16:25:51 <jkridner> of?
May 11 16:25:57 <nerdboy> maybe recommend a version/branch to go with runtime?
May 11 16:25:59 <Abhishek_> is rcn-ee around these days?
May 11 16:26:08 <nerdboy> state of ^^ that interface
May 11 16:26:13 <Abhishek_> Last year he was quite activre here
May 11 16:26:14 <jkridner> not typically responsive on irc
May 11 16:26:15 <Abhishek_> *active
May 11 16:26:28 <alexhiam> jkridner: current remoteproc vs ti rewrite
May 11 16:26:29 <Abhishek_> but then responsive to mails?
May 11 16:26:29 <jkridner> very responsive to email
May 11 16:26:35 <nerdboy> all i know is module errors out on 4.4.7/8
May 11 16:26:43 <m_w> state = a mess
May 11 16:26:56 <alexhiam> ds2: soon == within a month or so?
May 11 16:27:00 <nerdboy> can't be true on all branches, can it?
May 11 16:27:10 <jkridner> i had an email update a few weeks ago.
May 11 16:27:17 <Abhishek_> For now, kick it off with 4.1 but when 4.4 comes out let's see how much effort it'd be to port it there
May 11 16:27:17 <ZeekHuge> for the record, I will be using kernel version : 4.1.18-ti-r55 . The corresponding kernel image was built on 2016-03-27. Though i am unable to find it here https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/testing/
May 11 16:27:20 <jkridner> to the gsoc list?
May 11 16:27:42 <alexhiam> Abhishek_: that's what I'm thinking
May 11 16:27:44 <jkridner> work has moved to 4.4 recently
May 11 16:27:53 <Abhishek_> jkridner: I remember you wrote a mail to Suman about the current state
May 11 16:27:56 <nerdboy> 4.4 is out
May 11 16:28:09 <nerdboy> ti-staging kernel has bumped
May 11 16:28:30 <alexhiam> but bb.org 4.4 is still in testing, right?
May 11 16:29:20 <nerdboy> what is bb.org kernel?
May 11 16:29:40 <nerdboy> the bb-kernel 4.x-bone ones for rcn?
May 11 16:29:45 <alexhiam> yeah
May 11 16:29:48 <nerdboy> s/for/from/
May 11 16:30:13 <nerdboy> that's probably 4.5
May 11 16:30:21 <alexhiam> that's what always ships with the bb.org 'official' images, no?
May 11 16:30:45 <nerdboy> current version(s)/branches are on rcn wiki page
May 11 16:31:07 <nerdboy> they get both ti and boneN kernels
May 11 16:31:30 * alexhiam is a bit behind the times
May 11 16:31:37 <alexhiam> ok, we can continue the kernel talk after the meeting...
May 11 16:31:43 <nerdboy> apt-get did replace my kernel with bone-xx kernel so i guess the answer is "yes"?
May 11 16:32:06 <alexhiam> 3) IRC!
May 11 16:32:31 <alexhiam> it's been pretty darn quiet in here, and I haven't seen a few of you online much at all...
May 11 16:33:02 <ds2> alexhiam: no forecast, AFAIK
May 11 16:33:40 <alexhiam> everyone should be idling in here as much as they can, especially once coding starts
May 11 16:34:44 <ZeekHuge> Okay.
May 11 16:35:17 <alexhiam> oh, 4) requirements... (should we talk about this now?)
May 11 16:36:28 <alexhiam> we had discussed some project requirements in a mentor meeting a few weeks ago - things like push frequency, CI, unit testing, etc.
May 11 16:36:47 <alexhiam> is everyone familiar with continuous integration?
May 11 16:36:50 <ZeekHuge> And for that remoteproc talk. I tried kernel 4.4.8-ti-r22, but it was missing any driver related to pruss remoteproc.
May 11 16:37:24 <chanakya_vc> I am not alexhiam .
May 11 16:37:49 <alexhiam> ideally everyone will have their github repo tied in to something like Travis-CI, with daily builds, or maybe build-on-push
May 11 16:38:27 <alexhiam> chanakya_vc: basically an automated build system
May 11 16:39:25 <ZeekHuge> i didnt get that part . whats Travis-CI ?
May 11 16:39:29 <alexhiam> so maybe everyone go check out https://travis-ci.org/
May 11 16:39:52 <alexhiam> ZeekHuge: it's a CI service - you can link it to your github account and it can run automated builds on your repos
May 11 16:39:55 <Visaoni> just watch your email settings so you don't get spammed to death if you break something :)
May 11 16:40:55 <ZeekHuge> alexhiam: okay. And does it report back if something is broken ?
May 11 16:41:02 <alexhiam> ZeekHuge: yup
May 11 16:41:12 <alexhiam> it can also be used to automate unit tests as well
May 11 16:41:45 <ZeekHuge> and we need to setup all the requirements/dependencies kind of thing ?
May 11 16:42:27 <alexhiam> ZeekHuge: yeah, I've never set it up for kernel building, but I think it's pretty straightforward...
May 11 16:43:03 <ZeekHuge> okay. Will look into it.
May 11 16:43:28 <alexhiam> we also talked about requiring 'content' being pushed 5 days/week. That content can be code pushes, documentation on the wiki, etc.
May 11 16:43:37 <amragaey> alexhiam, I'm not familar with CI
May 11 16:43:38 <alexhiam> gsoc is a full time job after all!
May 11 16:44:15 <ZeekHuge> 5 days/week . Okay.
May 11 16:44:44 <alexhiam> amragaey: I'm not sure CI actually makes sense for your project, since nothing really gets built...
May 11 16:45:10 <alexhiam> amragaey: but it's a good concept to learn about regardless
May 11 16:45:50 <ZeekHuge> alexhiam: is the CI thing what you meant by continuous integration ?
May 11 16:46:05 <alexhiam> amragaey: I take that back, jkridner has bone101 tied in to travis-ci already
May 11 16:46:07 <alexhiam> https://github.com/jadonk/bone101/blob/master/.travis.yml
May 11 16:46:19 <jkridner> hi amragaey
May 11 16:46:27 <alexhiam> ZeekHuge: yeah, sorry, CI == Continuous Integration
May 11 16:46:28 <jkridner> but I had problems with ti.
May 11 16:46:31 <jkridner> er, it.
May 11 16:46:35 <amragaey> yes, sure. jkridner mentioned it in a comment on my proposal.. I wasn't sure about it
May 11 16:46:50 <ZeekHuge> oh okay. Got it.
May 11 16:46:57 <amragaey> jkridner, hi
May 11 16:47:21 <alexhiam> amragaey: in the case of bone101 it would run an html analysis
May 11 16:47:27 <amragaey> alexhiam, yes I can see it now
May 11 16:48:00 <amragaey> alexhiam, what build "failing" means!
May 11 16:48:05 * ZeekHuge thinks CI is really a cool thing ! 
May 11 16:48:27 <alexhiam> amragaey: that means the last build failed - click the badge and it'll show the log
May 11 16:49:44 <alexhiam> ok, that's all I have, anyone have any questions or concerns?
May 11 16:50:31 <alexhiam> otherwise, meeting adjourned
May 11 16:50:57 <chanakya_vc> So alexhiam Basically It builds your code? I am unable to understand how will it test the code for bitbanging or even drivers?
May 11 16:51:15 <chanakya_vc> Like it just compiles the code?
May 11 16:51:50 <alexhiam> chanakya_vc: yeah, it builds, and if you have unit tests it could trigger them to run. In your case, because your project is so hardware dependent, it can't really do anything past compiling
May 11 16:52:19 <alexhiam> chanakya_vc: so you'll need to manually run your unit tests (which you'll surely have plenty of!) on your beaglebone
May 11 16:53:09 <chanakya_vc> So i still would have to write makefiles?
May 11 16:53:44 <alexhiam> yeah
May 11 16:54:31 <chanakya_vc> Ohh
May 11 16:54:35 <alexhiam> https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/blob/4.4/.travis.yml
May 11 16:55:19 <chanakya_vc> bradfa,Anything you would want me to do next. I am going to pretty busy next 10-12 days because of my theory exams
May 11 16:56:29 <chanakya_vc> Infact college has confirmed they are going to end on 27 May.
May 11 16:56:32 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: getting together the list of hardware you're going to use and finding a logic analyzer you can buy and which will work for your needs, I think those are top priority
May 11 16:56:59 <chanakya_vc> Hardware is sorted out. What I told you is all available
May 11 16:57:18 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: ok, can you please just send me and mdp an email listing the part numbers you are going to use?
May 11 16:57:37 <chanakya_vc> And I will update you soon enough regarding the logic analyzer
May 11 16:57:52 <nerdboy> we could make a channel here for notifications...
May 11 16:58:22 <alexhiam> beaglelogic!
May 11 16:58:40 <amragaey> jkridner, Do you have any other comments on my proposal ?
May 11 16:58:53 <jkridner> did you do the updates based on previous comments?
May 11 16:59:02 <alexhiam> nerdboy: irc notifications would only work if people were online...
May 11 16:59:06 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I will.Those parts that we discussed would be good to begin with. I could identify more parts once I am completely free  by the 27
May 11 16:59:15 <jkridner> alexhiam: do you think it is reasonable I push for BBUI to be completed by midterm?
May 11 16:59:42 <nerdboy> i meant one channel for all of them
May 11 16:59:43 <jkridner> alexhiam: what extra details need to be added to the proposal (not just timeline) such that the level of work effort is understood to fix BBUI?
May 11 16:59:45 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: ok, please still send an email to me and mdp so we can obtain the same parts as you (emails easier to reference than irc for me)
May 11 17:00:00 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, We also need to discuss the approach that I am going to adopt regarding the drivers.
May 11 17:00:11 <alexhiam> jkridner: vs overflowing to after midterm as well?
May 11 17:00:21 <jkridner> yeah....
May 11 17:00:27 <nerdboy> if so it just takes one to be logged in
May 11 17:00:31 <alexhiam> jkridner: yeah, I think so
May 11 17:00:51 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: ok, can you start a separate email thread on that with mdp and myself, too?  start by outlining the pros and cons of each approach and then make a recommendation.  Then mdp and I can review with you via email.
May 11 17:00:56 <jkridner> alexhiam: currently amragaey is pushing back on me to give past the midterm to complete BBUI.
May 11 17:01:08 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Same. Emails are much easier for me too.Anytime you want me on the irc just mail me please.
May 11 17:01:16 <alexhiam> amragaey: why do you see BBUI taking longer?
May 11 17:01:25 <nerdboy> the default travis thing does auto-builds and runs make test/check i think
May 11 17:01:42 <nerdboy> you need to install deps in your config
May 11 17:01:50 <alexhiam> amragaey, jkridner: if BBUI will take longer I'd definitely want to see the reason detailed in the proposal
May 11 17:02:23 <nerdboy> codeclimate runs scanner/analysis tools and test coverage stuff
May 11 17:02:31 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I might be a bit slow in my responses in the coming days. Please bear with me.I will be ready to completely devote myself to this project after 27
May 11 17:02:44 <alexhiam> amragaey: you say the UI is the hardest part, but the UI is pretty much complete, isn't it?
May 11 17:02:45 <chanakya_vc> But I will surely respond to your mails.
May 11 17:02:55 <chanakya_vc> bradfa,mdp ^^
May 11 17:03:13 <amragaey> jkridner, I worked to breakdown the basics. I don't know every single detail to write now on propsal. I'm going to fetch details on each phase week.. I'm afraid If i can't all BBUI by midterm so I requested another week to make everything working
May 11 17:03:37 <nerdboy> you just add the badge/link stuff to your readme and auth the services, then enable repos on the travis-ci/codeclimate dashboards
May 11 17:03:52 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I think we should keep foreverska also in the loop?
May 11 17:04:21 <jkridner> amragaey: please spend some time now (finals start when?) getting the task broken down to more technical detail.
May 11 17:04:35 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: if they would like to be kept in the loop, then yes
May 11 17:04:38 <amragaey> alexhiam, UI isn't complete.. I got jason word on it before that it will take the most of time
May 11 17:04:51 <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/af_alg  <= like that
May 11 17:05:08 <foreverska> I don't think I will be aquiring the parts for the test.  I'll get with you if I ever do want to chanakya_vc
May 11 17:05:18 <alexhiam> jkridner: what's left in the UI? There's the live plotting, but there's plenty of js libraries that make that easy
May 11 17:06:37 <alexhiam> jkridner: privacy badger blocks beagleboard.org on bone101, which results in a blank page :(
May 11 17:06:55 <amragaey> jkridner, I'm starting my final exam tomorrow.. I'm trying to have 10 hours per week for the next weeks. I'm finishing on June 4.
May 11 17:07:04 <chanakya_vc> No foreverska What I meant was regarding the code that I right and the decisions about the driver.If you want,I could forward you the decisions that mdp and bradfa take?
May 11 17:07:38 <alexhiam> ah, it's bonescript.js
May 11 17:07:56 <amragaey> jkridner, after that I'll be on GSoC for a full time.. I can then going to every single detail , but I found it heavy now to gon on three phases: BBUI, python, and C9
May 11 17:07:59 <alexhiam> might be worth keeping that local
May 11 17:08:09 <chanakya_vc> On the same id you messaged from, in the group. If you want foreverska.
May 11 17:09:42 <alexhiam> amragaey: once coding starts it's supposed to be a full time job, so it'll be best if you can make up for that time you won't have those first 2 weeks in the time you have now before coding starts
May 11 17:10:47 <alexhiam> amragaey: have you looked at live plotting libraries? I've seen ones that do all the zooming and everything for you
May 11 17:12:43 <nerdboy> looks like robert points at 4.1.x by default but the capemgr overlays have several branches...  https://github.com/beagleboard/bb.org-overlays/blob/master/readme.md
May 11 17:12:46 <alexhiam> ohhhh, so BBUI will also have external hardware on it?? like Fritzing?
May 11 17:13:18 <nerdboy> should i assume we need remoteproc plus capemgr kernel?
May 11 17:13:47 <ZeekHuge> nerdboy: so, do we need to point the CI to this irc channel, like it in your af_alg repo ?
May 11 17:13:57 <nerdboy> i can try a few and see...
May 11 17:14:18 <nerdboy> not this one, it will get cluttered...
May 11 17:14:43 <ZeekHuge> nerdboy: this == #beagle-gsoc
May 11 17:14:48 <nerdboy> maybe #beagle-gsoc-ci or something...
May 11 17:14:59 <amragaey> alexhiam, I'm actually trying to make this make up now. But I need to concentrate to one phase that is BBUI.
May 11 17:15:18 <ZeekHuge> oh, okay.
May 11 17:15:39 <amragaey> jkridner, No, i didn't .. I thought that you needed to translate the old code, which is hard written.
May 11 17:15:53 <nerdboy> you can use #code-hell until we decide is guess...
May 11 17:16:01 <nerdboy> s/is/i/
May 11 17:16:02 <amragaey> alexhiam, ^^^
May 11 17:16:30 <alexhiam> amragaey: where's the old code?
May 11 17:17:02 <ZeekHuge> And about the rempotproc thing, since the capemgr is what will roll out, and we want the project to be like mainline, so we would need the capemgr kernel.
May 11 17:17:04 <alexhiam> jkridner: what exactly is the scope of BBUI? Is it supposed to be a full, turing complete blocky language?
May 11 17:17:06 <ZeekHuge> nerdboy: ^^
May 11 17:17:14 <amragaey> alexhiam, https://github.com/jadonk/Beaglebone-UI
May 11 17:17:54 <ZeekHuge> nerdboy: makes sense ?
May 11 17:18:41 <alexhiam> amragaey: what do you mean about translating that code?
May 11 17:19:49 <jkridner> alexhiam: no, it must allow monitoring of every available pin
May 11 17:20:04 <amragaey> alexhiam, fitting it to the new structure, as jason divided it into canvases, UI, hardware and Events.
May 11 17:20:17 <alexhiam> jkridner: ok, so no logic then
May 11 17:20:18 <nerdboy> need to find one that works...
May 11 17:20:55 <alexhiam> amragaey: ok, I think I'm missing a piece, is this new structure documented somewhere?
May 11 17:21:07 <jkridner> it also sets pins with a button/timer
May 11 17:21:29 <jkridner> all just gpio for now (and adc)
May 11 17:21:55 <jkridner> pwm would make a natural future extension.
May 11 17:22:38 <alexhiam> k, then I'm not really seeing where it'll take more than 2-3 weeks, but I may be overlooking something...
May 11 17:23:34 <ZeekHuge> alexhiam: Is the meeting still going on ?
May 11 17:23:44 <alexhiam> no
May 11 17:24:52 <amragaey> alexhiam, this is all I have on new structure : https://github.com/jadonk/bone101/tree/master/Support/bone101/UI
May 11 17:25:43 <alexhiam> ahhh, thanks
May 11 17:26:00 <ZeekHuge> Okay ! nice meeting you all ! First time with all 7 of us ( students ) :) ! Have a great day. Will be leaving now. Have exam. Wish me luck :P :) Tadaa..
May 11 17:26:05 <alexhiam> so this is the version you'll be working on then: http://beagleboard.github.io/bone101/Support/bone101/UI/
May 11 17:27:40 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I will mail you the HW list as soon as I can. But please mail me whenever you wish to talk on the irc. I might not be there on the irc a lot for some days
May 11 17:27:52 <amragaey> alexhiam, yes.. and I'm trying to read and factor the code now, But I still reading and factoring the code so I can't write much details on plan now.
May 11 17:28:22 <amragaey> ^sorry for typo
May 11 17:28:32 * nerdboy noticing neil schon sounds a bit like steve vai now
May 11 17:28:57 <chanakya_vc> mdp foreverska ^^
May 11 17:30:53 * alexhiam goes afk for lunch...
May 11 17:33:00 <amragaey> jkridner, Is it possible to use some JS/jQuery libraries in BBUI ?
May 11 17:33:17 <jkridner> no need
May 11 17:33:59 <amragaey> ok
May 11 17:34:49 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, mdp,foreverska Bye for now! Goodnight.
May 11 17:39:58 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: good night :)
May 11 17:42:58 <amragaey> jkridner, If you think BBUI is easy to deliver before midterms, I'll go on that
May 11 17:43:23 <jkridner> I believe it is the right level of difficulty to do so.
May 11 17:44:07 <amragaey> jkridner, ok I will do my best :)
May 11 17:48:38 <amragaey> jkridner, I didn't see you satisfied with the C9 integration I planned, what else do you need to see for it in UI ?
May 11 17:48:55 <jkridner> I just don't understand what you plan to do.
May 11 17:49:06 <jkridner> an HTML runner?
May 11 17:49:59 <jkridner> I think bringing up bone101 in the cloud9 ide view on the board should be reasonable. seems it would still need the port 80 server to talk to the bonescript proxy.
May 11 17:50:05 <amragaey> No, running code examples in local C9 IDE itself.
May 11 17:50:12 <jkridner> I'd want to see a button or something to indicate how to bring it up.
May 11 17:50:29 <jkridner> amragaey: how so?
May 11 17:50:29 <alexhiam> amragaey: what's the benefit of that vs the current way?
May 11 17:52:14 <amragaey> alexhiam, running bonescript or python code on C9 isn't working currently.
May 11 17:52:43 <alexhiam> amragaey: what do you mean it isn't working??
May 11 17:53:02 <alexhiam> I've run bonescript and pybbio code in cloud9 many times...
May 11 17:53:33 <amragaey> alexhiam, examples don't run on BB.
May 11 17:54:02 <alexhiam> are you trying on a 4.x kernel?
May 11 17:54:14 <amragaey> I tried a sample blink code.. and nothing happened
May 11 17:54:33 <alexhiam> jkridner: remind me, is bonescript 4.x compatible yet?
May 11 17:54:42 <alexhiam> amragaey: which blink code?
May 11 17:55:01 <alexhiam> nothing noticeable happening != not working
May 11 17:56:22 <amragaey> let me check the version
May 11 17:57:46 <ds2> p
May 11 17:58:26 <amragaey> alexhiam, yes I meant that, nothing noticeable happening
May 11 17:58:32 <amragaey> 3.8.13
May 11 17:58:47 <alexhiam> bonescript or pybbio example?
May 11 17:58:58 <alexhiam> is it toggling a gpio pin that you don't have anything connected to?
May 11 17:59:01 <nerdboy> you do need a gpio that's attached to user led
May 11 17:59:08 <amragaey> I have ehab board, former GSoC, I borrowed it :)
May 11 17:59:15 <alexhiam> the PyBBIO blink.py example blinks the on board LEDs
May 11 17:59:18 <nerdboy> or else you plug one in yourself
May 11 17:59:49 <amragaey> blinkled.js example in demo folder
May 11 18:02:44 <amragaey> I can see the output on board for the same code, when I run it in bone101 example area.
May 11 18:05:46 <amragaey> the blink.py example uses Adafruit_BBIO, I installed PyBBIO and ran the blink sample you sent me before.. but nothing noteciable on board also.
May 11 18:07:15 <alexhiam> amragaey: if there's not PyBBIO examples in there then you have a real old image
May 11 18:07:37 <alexhiam> I'd start by flashing the Debian 7.9 image from http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
May 11 18:10:12 <amragaey> jkridner,
May 11 18:10:41 <amragaey> so you want to see the c9.io editor in tutorials and running examples on bb ?
May 11 18:12:04 <alexhiam> I don't see any need to replace the current editor on bone101...
May 11 18:13:06 <amragaey> there's something I miss about jkridner integration with c9.io
May 11 18:16:16 <amragaey> jkridner,  I have to go now, I have an exam tomorrow.. I will talk to you tomorrow
May 11 21:07:50 <nerdboy> hey, Linux beaglebone 4.1.18-ti-rt-r56 works fine
May 11 21:08:17 <nerdboy> you just need to copy the right firmware bins to /lib/firmware manually
May 11 21:08:22 <nerdboy> https://bpaste.net/raw/d552187d17b4
May 11 21:08:48 <nerdboy> yo!  students!  ^^
May 11 21:10:07 <nerdboy> the above are not in the linux-firmware package that goes with that ^^ kernel package, not sure why...
May 11 21:36:13 <nerdboy> okay, i put everything in the firmware dir here: http://www.gentoogeek.org/files/arm-bb_yocto/
May 11 21:37:00 <nerdboy> plus there's a handy meta-ti/oe test rootfs
May 11 22:06:43 <nerdboy> wow, googlebot is pouncing on that url...
May 11 22:07:33 <nerdboy> nope, not a good guess this time
May 12 01:05:20 <gcl-bot> [abhishek-kakkar] hmm
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