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May 10 15:30:28 <av500> aloo
May 10 15:31:09 <m_w> greetings
May 10 15:33:35 <zeekhuge>  A bit busy. Will be here but won't be active . please ping me if anything comes in. Sorry.
May 10 15:34:26 <pmezydlo> hi  all :)
May 10 15:35:39 <maciejjo> hi :)
May 10 15:43:16 <thetransformerr> hey
May 10 15:52:56 <ravikp7> hi everyone :)
May 10 15:54:43 <av500> hi
May 10 15:55:33 <ds2> ih
May 10 15:56:04 <indu> hello all
May 10 15:56:32 * tlwoerner is here
May 10 15:56:36 <tlwoerner> o/
May 10 15:58:44 <ee> hello :)
May 10 15:59:10 <henrix_> hello everyone
May 10 16:00:35 <tlwoerner> is someone going to lead the meeting?
May 10 16:00:41 <tlwoerner> is there an agenda?
May 10 16:01:52 <nerdboy> usually _av500_
May 10 16:02:11 <tlwoerner> av500, m_w meeting?
May 10 16:03:00 <nerdboy> where are we with the spreadsheet?  is it all up-to-date?
May 10 16:03:42 <nerdboy> we may need some backup (cheap) sonics but i don't know for sure yet...
May 10 16:04:19 <thetransformerr> and IMU in case we are going with black wireless
May 10 16:05:06 <nerdboy> imu is secondare/tertiary req...
May 10 16:05:15 <nerdboy> *secondary even
May 10 16:05:26 <tlwoerner> is it a safe bet to say that anyone who has something under the "shipments" column is done with the spreadsheet?
May 10 16:05:55 <nerdboy> maybe
May 10 16:05:57 <av500> aloo
May 10 16:06:01 <av500> hi everybody
May 10 16:06:05 <av500> sorry
May 10 16:06:06 <thetransformerr> thats why I added it along with back-up
May 10 16:06:06 <tlwoerner> av500: hello
May 10 16:06:09 <av500> phone got me
May 10 16:06:10 <thetransformerr> hey
May 10 16:06:12 <av500> welcome everybody
May 10 16:06:25 <av500> congrats to all students that got into GSOC this year
May 10 16:06:38 <av500> and into beagleboard especially
May 10 16:06:44 <jkridner> !!
May 10 16:06:46 <thetransformerr> thanks !!
May 10 16:06:50 <av500> can all students please raise their hands
May 10 16:06:54 <av500> roll call
May 10 16:06:56 * tlwoerner throws confetti
May 10 16:06:59 <av500> +1
May 10 16:07:02 <indu> here!
May 10 16:07:05 <ravikp7> yay!
May 10 16:07:09 <thetransformerr> +1
May 10 16:07:10 <maciejjo> hi
May 10 16:07:14 <tlwoerner> o/
May 10 16:07:14 <pmezydlo> hi
May 10 16:07:25 <av500> tlwoerner: you a student now?
May 10 16:07:35 <av500> ee: ping
May 10 16:07:39 <ds2> ~0
May 10 16:07:39 <av500> so all 6 are here?
May 10 16:07:56 <av500> who do we miss?
May 10 16:08:02 <tlwoerner> av500: oops
May 10 16:08:12 <jkridner> ee?
May 10 16:08:38 * jkridner practices saying indu, ravikp7, thetransformerr, maciejjo, pmezydlo and ee
May 10 16:08:55 <av500> indu ravikp7 thetransformerr maciejjo pmezydlo ee
May 10 16:08:58 <av500> works for me
May 10 16:09:07 <av500> so all 6 here on the first meeting
May 10 16:09:12 <av500> thats a record :)
May 10 16:09:20 <av500> ee: do you copy?
May 10 16:09:51 <nerdboy> roger wilco?
May 10 16:10:22 <av500> jkridner: do you have all address data?
May 10 16:11:47 <av500> all mentors, did you clarify the HW needs for the students?
May 10 16:12:15 <av500> ok, lets back up
May 10 16:12:18 <av500> 0) Welcome
May 10 16:12:20 <av500> 1) roll call
May 10 16:12:23 <av500> ee: are you there?
May 10 16:12:33 <jkridner> av500: I think so. orders are in for 5 of the 6 students. the 6th is said to already have hardware.
May 10 16:12:38 <av500> ok
May 10 16:12:42 <av500> 2) hardware:
May 10 16:12:42 <jkridner> av500: I've put in 1-2 orders for mentors.
May 10 16:12:50 <av500> ok
May 10 16:12:52 <jkridner> av500: X15s are tough to come by. :(
May 10 16:12:56 <henrix_> My student indu likes to have a BB-X15 if this is possible
May 10 16:13:05 <av500> mentors: please make sure you have what you need for your students
May 10 16:13:18 <av500> I know where jkridner lives, so we will get it!
May 10 16:13:20 <jkridner> henrix_: I placed an order on back-order. When PTI completes the build, it should ship.
May 10 16:13:25 <av500> but please say it loud and clear
May 10 16:13:30 <henrix_> jkridner, thanks!
May 10 16:13:47 <av500> ok
May 10 16:13:52 <av500> 3) IRC meetings
May 10 16:14:01 <av500> as said there is a weekly meeting at this time now
May 10 16:14:02 <ee> yes I'm here
May 10 16:14:11 <jkridner> av500, henrix_: I'll order AM5728 EVMs for now. Forgot about that option.
May 10 16:14:11 <av500> every week during the programmy
May 10 16:14:18 <av500> jkridner: ok
May 10 16:14:18 <indu> henrix_, jkrinder Thanks!
May 10 16:14:22 <av500> ee: hi and welcome
May 10 16:14:26 <nerdboy> like i said, we need to dial in the signal conditioning for the sensors
May 10 16:14:30 <av500> please try to attend the meetings
May 10 16:14:37 <av500> nerdboy: later
May 10 16:14:45 <nerdboy> other than that we're green
May 10 16:14:50 <av500> also, please try to be on IRC at others times too
May 10 16:14:59 <av500> same for mentors, please hand out here and be accessible
May 10 16:15:00 <nerdboy> er, black this time
May 10 16:15:02 <av500> hang*
May 10 16:15:17 <av500> of course students and mentors are free to communicate with other means
May 10 16:15:23 <av500> whatever gets the job done
May 10 16:15:31 <thetransformerr> I wanted to ask if we can later request for some h/w,as we are some what hazy in terms of sensors
May 10 16:15:32 <av500> but if its visible here, all the better
May 10 16:15:48 <av500> thetransformerr: just beware that HW takes time
May 10 16:15:52 <av500> and deadlines dont wait
May 10 16:16:09 <ds2> and we need to keep the project mostly SW
May 10 16:16:23 <av500> yes
May 10 16:16:45 <thetransformerr> In that case can I source it locally, I guess ultrasonic  sensors are relatively cheap to come by
May 10 16:16:47 <av500> ok, so coding starts May 30th
May 10 16:17:01 <av500> that leaves us 20 days still
May 10 16:17:54 <av500> this year Google has changed the rules a bit
May 10 16:18:01 <m_w> ut oh
May 10 16:18:05 <av500> into phase 1, 2 and finals
May 10 16:18:22 <av500> about 4 weeks each
May 10 16:18:27 <av500> each gets evaluated
May 10 16:19:08 <av500> 4) intro videos
May 10 16:19:24 <av500> in the past years we have asked students to prepare a short - SHORT - introductory video
May 10 16:19:27 <av500> about their project
May 10 16:19:30 <av500> before coding starts
May 10 16:19:39 <av500> it does not have to be anything fancy
May 10 16:19:51 <av500> a few slides and words about what the project is about
May 10 16:20:03 <av500> it really helps to promote you and your project and beagleboard GSOC
May 10 16:20:14 <av500> jkridner: can you link past videos here?
May 10 16:20:24 <av500> so, we want this before coding starts
May 10 16:20:25 <jkridner> http://bbb.io/gsoc
May 10 16:20:49 <av500> so, indu, ravikp7, thetransformerr, maciejjo, pmezydlo and ee
May 10 16:21:00 <av500> you can look at past years videos for inpiration
May 10 16:21:01 <pmezydlo> past year examples: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2016_Projects
May 10 16:21:18 <av500> and as said, we want this over before you start coding
May 10 16:21:26 <ee> What's the time limit like?
May 10 16:21:28 <pmezydlo> yes no problem I will do it
May 10 16:21:37 <thetransformerr> me too
May 10 16:21:43 <ravikp7> +1
May 10 16:21:55 <maciejjo> +1
May 10 16:22:01 <indu> +1
May 10 16:22:12 <ee> +1
May 10 16:22:24 <av500> like ~5 minutes I would say
May 10 16:22:43 <av500> but if its 3 or 7 its ok
May 10 16:23:02 <thetransformerr> voiceover is not must I guess..
May 10 16:23:20 <av500> dont assume a layman audience
May 10 16:23:32 <av500> so you dont have to go to lengthy explanations
May 10 16:23:42 <nerdboy> voiceover or really good video
May 10 16:23:53 <nerdboy> like that guy's jeep video
May 10 16:24:13 <av500> :)
May 10 16:24:22 <av500> nerdboy: you do one like that
May 10 16:24:34 <thetransformerr> :)
May 10 16:25:06 <nerdboy> i think he has future in advertising
May 10 16:25:12 <av500> 5) progress reports
May 10 16:25:17 <ds2> I would argue for "Mechanical Universe" quality animations on the project would be an alternative ;)
May 10 16:25:32 <av500> we ask every student to submit a written progress report once a week
May 10 16:25:42 <av500> deadline is tuesday, so we have it for the meeting
May 10 16:25:54 <av500> submit to the beagleboard-gsoc mailing list aka google group
May 10 16:26:03 <av500> so it has public visibility
May 10 16:26:19 <av500> with the project split into three phases we really need to be able to see what you did
May 10 16:26:23 <av500> and what not
May 10 16:26:26 <av500> and what issues you had
May 10 16:26:29 <indu> starting from coding phase i assume
May 10 16:26:32 <av500> yes
May 10 16:26:50 <av500> coding starts on a tuesday
May 10 16:26:54 <av500> so no report that day needed
May 10 16:26:59 <av500> but a week later
May 10 16:27:18 <av500> you have to understand that we really need to see where you stand
May 10 16:27:27 <av500> I assume your mentor(s) will be involved
May 10 16:27:47 <av500> but if anything goes amiss, the other mentory and the admins need to understand where you are
May 10 16:27:50 <av500> hence the reports
May 10 16:27:54 <av500> and the weekly meetings
May 10 16:28:15 <av500> BUT, the report does not mean to hide for a week and only emerge on tuesday/wednesday
May 10 16:28:23 <av500> as soon as you are stuck somewhere, reach out
May 10 16:28:29 <av500> to your mentors
May 10 16:28:34 <av500> fellow students here in the IRC
May 10 16:28:37 * nerdboy had to do weekly status reports/mtg plus monthly/annual status reports...
May 10 16:28:50 <av500> for trivial/generic questions even to #beagle
May 10 16:29:02 <av500> if you are really stuck with no help, email me
May 10 16:29:05 <av500> or ping me here
May 10 16:29:12 <av500> but do not let it sit
May 10 16:29:24 <ds2> but in no case, blow days w/o letting us know you are stuck
May 10 16:29:39 <av500> the same if you fall sick / get arrested / get married
May 10 16:29:39 <nerdboy> ideally we should see irc presence/code or docs pushed approx. daily
May 10 16:29:49 <av500> well, try to get married after gsco
May 10 16:29:59 <thetransformerr> I like get arrested one
May 10 16:30:01 <ds2> this is an OPEN source project...please be open about it. we are all here to help... if anything, just describing the problem can help
May 10 16:30:17 <nerdboy> exactly
May 10 16:30:31 <ravikp7> yeah, sure :)
May 10 16:30:33 <av500> as said by nerdboy and ds2
May 10 16:30:43 <av500> code on your harddrive is only seen by you
May 10 16:30:44 <jkridner> ds2: ++
May 10 16:30:46 <ee> sounds good
May 10 16:30:50 <av500> code in your git is seen by us all
May 10 16:31:03 <av500> so commit early, commit often
May 10 16:31:19 <jkridner> being shy about your code is *bad*.
May 10 16:31:24 <nerdboy> branches are cheap
May 10 16:31:37 <ee> ^^
May 10 16:31:46 <av500> right
May 10 16:32:05 <jkridner> better to take some scrutiny---it is good. ugly code in the middle won't get you in trouble, ugly code at the end will get you a fail.
May 10 16:32:08 <pmezydlo> do we use traviscl?
May 10 16:32:33 <jkridner> pmezydlo: up to your project. continuous integration is *highly* recommended.
May 10 16:32:48 <jkridner> pmezydlo: having branches that fail is okay.
May 10 16:32:49 <nerdboy> depends on what the code is?  ci/coverage/code-smell services are all good
May 10 16:32:52 <nerdboy> mostly
May 10 16:33:33 <tlwoerner> do we have a list of where each student is pushing their projects?
May 10 16:33:37 <nerdboy> we have plenty examples
May 10 16:33:55 <jkridner> tlwoerner: each should have an entry on their wiki page... we should all confirm.
May 10 16:34:08 <av500> ah yes, the 2017 projects page
May 10 16:34:16 <jkridner> http://elinux.org/index.php?title=BeagleBoard/GSoC/2017_Projects&action=edit&redlink=1 isn't active
May 10 16:34:41 <av500> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2017_Projects
May 10 16:35:09 <nerdboy> https://github.com/sarnold/gwocss <= look ma, works with fortran
May 10 16:35:44 <av500> jkridner: its up
May 10 16:36:02 <av500> so please students, add your self to http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2017_Projects
May 10 16:36:09 <av500> thats where you link the into video too
May 10 16:36:16 <av500> see the 2016 as an examples
May 10 16:37:24 <tlwoerner> are students required to keep a blog?
May 10 16:37:54 <ee> I figured I'd keep my thread on the mailing list as a blog of sorts
May 10 16:38:04 <av500> tlwoerner: no
May 10 16:38:08 <ee> keeping track of what's going on in the project, success and failure etc
May 10 16:38:14 <av500> tlwoerner: we want the video and the email reports
May 10 16:38:21 <tlwoerner> av500: ok
May 10 16:38:23 <av500> if they keep a blog its fine to copy the blog post to a mail
May 10 16:38:39 <av500> if you have a blog feel free to add the url to http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2017_Projects
May 10 16:39:25 <av500> I updated the page
May 10 16:39:26 <tlwoerner> ee: sounds good
May 10 16:40:09 <av500> so I guess that was 6) wiki project page
May 10 16:40:16 <av500> 7) any other questions for now?
May 10 16:40:22 <av500> ah sec
May 10 16:40:32 <av500> so, coding starts the 30th
May 10 16:40:45 <av500> can we have the videos in 2 weeks, so the 24th?
May 10 16:41:02 <av500> I will send a summary of all we discussed here later
May 10 16:41:10 <av500> with links and dates
May 10 16:41:10 <ds2> project idea for 2018 - Admin Bot that parses the official schedule :D
May 10 16:41:12 <m_w> google spring of code
May 10 16:41:14 <ee> yes I've got a question: is there any procedure for the customs fees incurred from the hardware shipments?
May 10 16:41:27 <av500> ee: good question
May 10 16:41:32 <av500> jkridner: ^^^^
May 10 16:41:54 <ee> i.e. I believe my hardware was shipped from the US, which means I'll have to pay quite a bit in customs
May 10 16:43:20 <thetransformerr> bot would be lot more easier if we were on some other platform like slack, telegram
May 10 16:44:08 <av500> well, its IRC
May 10 16:44:08 <ee> thetransformerr: IRC is fine, free and open source and doesn't require accounts
May 10 16:44:12 <av500> we are old people here :)
May 10 16:44:16 <ee> IRC bots are pretty easy to implement iirc
May 10 16:44:30 <av500> why do we need a bot?
May 10 16:44:50 <thetransformerr> but it gets disconnected every time, unless I install a client
May 10 16:45:11 <ds2> av500: your first mtg work is about the same each year :D
May 10 16:45:19 <av500> well :)
May 10 16:45:41 <av500> ds2: its just a bot script :)
May 10 16:45:53 <av500> thetransformerr: there is stuff like irccloud
May 10 16:46:05 <ee> thetransformerr: you can set up IRC bouncers, which stay signed in while you're away and keep the history around
May 10 16:46:21 <av500> or a login account on some university machine thats always on
May 10 16:46:32 <ee> personally I use https://thelounge.github.io/ which acts as a bouncer and a web client
May 10 16:46:34 <av500> screen + irssi
May 10 16:46:44 <av500> if thats still a thing
May 10 16:46:51 <av500> (I mean uni logins)
May 10 16:46:55 <tlwoerner> any other agenda items?
May 10 16:47:03 <av500> tlwoerner: not from me, we covered a lot
May 10 16:47:18 <ee> yeah, is there anyone in here who has experience with doing unit testing and/or fuzzing for embedded projects?
May 10 16:49:16 <ee> also if I could get an answer to that question about customs
May 10 16:49:18 <thetransformerr> since I  am more of CS, but interested and highly motivated for hardware, I would like to get suggested with useful tools and software
May 10 16:49:49 <thetransformerr> that would help me in circuit designing and emulation and other stuff
May 10 16:50:36 <ds2> thetransformerr: what sort of tools/sw? I'm a ee knowing a bit of cs
May 10 16:51:08 <thetransformerr> like a circuit designing tool, that I can share with you all,
May 10 16:51:13 <ee> thetransformerr: I've found in my experience that for simple circuits it's best to just play around with building blocks of the circuit on a breadboard
May 10 16:51:24 <tlwoerner> ds2: there should only be one "ee" in this room ;-)
May 10 16:52:02 <ds2> tlwoerner: rn't we a bit late for cummings? ;)
May 10 16:52:07 <thetransformerr> yesterday it was told that for daq breadboard isn't much good
May 10 16:52:14 <ee> tlwoerner: haha
May 10 16:52:50 <thetransformerr> I like breadboard very much, they are saviours for a cs guys
May 10 16:53:35 <av500> jkridner: ping
May 10 16:53:51 <av500> jkridner: any idea on the custom fees for india?
May 10 16:53:54 <ds2> thetransformerr:in the nondigital world, there are signal quality issues and the universe is non digital
May 10 16:54:09 <ee> av500: I'm in Canada
May 10 16:54:21 <av500> oh
May 10 16:54:23 <av500> sorry
May 10 16:54:37 <tlwoerner> https://www.circuitlab.com/
May 10 16:54:46 <thetransformerr> well I m from India
May 10 16:55:07 <av500> jkridner handles shipping to I will punt to him :)
May 10 16:55:12 <ee> thetransformerr: make sure you've got a multimeter, oscilloscope is nice too but expensive so you might have access to one through univeristy
May 10 16:55:16 <av500> ee: I trust we will find a solution
May 10 16:55:57 <thetransformerr> yeah I discussed it informally with faculty
May 10 16:56:04 <ee> av500: I certainly hope so, the shipment has probably already had a delivery attempt
May 10 16:56:14 <ee> digikey has extremely fast shipping in canada
May 10 16:56:27 <m_w> I will leave if you need less EEs
May 10 16:56:33 <m_w> :)
May 10 16:56:50 <tlwoerner> m_w: :-)
May 10 16:57:22 <tlwoerner> ...speaking of leaving...
May 10 16:57:30 <thetransformerr> ciruitlab looks good, any other tips from ee guys
May 10 16:58:16 <ravikp7> if try to solder, do carefully :)
May 10 16:58:36 <m_w> don't hold the iron from the hot end
May 10 16:58:41 <ee> EAGLE/KiCAD if you're actually designing boards
May 10 16:59:07 <ee> pretty sure KiCAD has decent SPICE integration so you can simulate circuits if you want to, but it's more trouble than it's worth for most things
May 10 17:00:43 <thetransformerr> so we are almost done for today
May 10 17:00:55 <tlwoerner> i'm off for another meeting, hopefully we're done here?
May 10 17:01:52 <av500> yes
May 10 17:01:57 <av500> thank you all
May 10 17:02:01 <av500> see you next week
May 10 17:02:05 <av500> same time, same place
May 10 17:02:08 <ee> see you :)
May 10 17:02:12 <av500> remember: videos, wiki entry
May 10 17:02:19 <m_w> +1 for Kicad
May 10 17:02:24 <av500> and prepare for coding
May 10 17:02:31 <av500> make sure you have all you need
May 10 17:02:34 <av500> and know all you need
May 10 17:02:38 <av500> ask your mentors
May 10 17:02:50 <av500> they can use the distraction from real work ;)
May 10 17:03:14 <ds2> KiCad is too immature
May 10 17:03:25 <av500> and no religious discussions here!
May 10 17:03:30 <av500> ds2: ^^^
May 10 17:03:33 <m_w> nah, kicad is fine
May 10 17:03:56 <m_w> just put it in the right mode
May 10 17:03:57 <ds2> so emacs.... is off limits too? ;)
May 10 17:04:15 <m_w> I agree on that one, vim rules!
May 10 17:05:03 <thetransformerr> so this summer is going to be classic!!!long live vim..
May 10 17:05:21 <av500> joe ftw!
May 10 17:05:30 <ee> emacs with evil
May 10 17:05:33 <m_w> :-O
May 10 17:05:38 <ee> worth it for magit alone
May 10 17:05:52 <pmezydlo> From last year I use only vim :)
May 10 17:06:03 <m_w> no emacs zealots here?
May 10 17:06:32 <ravikp7> only vim :)
May 10 17:06:35 <ee> i love my emacs :)
May 10 17:07:03 <thetransformerr> and no religious discussions here!
May 10 17:07:04 * m_w starts flame war
May 10 17:07:34 <m_w> kidding use what you want
May 10 17:08:23 <nerdboy> like the right tool for the job maybe?
May 10 17:08:56 <ds2> so that would be a 40lb sledge for everything? :D
May 10 17:09:13 <nerdboy> if it don't fit...
May 10 17:09:31 <thetransformerr> I feel blessed to end up with beagle this summer!!!
May 10 17:10:07 <ds2> as long as you keep it fed, and walk it daily
May 10 17:10:28 <nerdboy> emacs has some cool mode extensions
May 10 17:10:44 <nerdboy> except they all have a lisp
May 10 17:11:28 * nerdboy actually gets a bit of mileage out of nano
May 10 17:11:46 <ds2> (what)(?)
May 10 17:12:06 <nerdboy> what
May 10 20:20:23 <ee> tlwoerner jkridner delivery attempt and hour ago but no one was home, also $28.20 in duties :(
May 10 20:20:53 <tlwoerner> nice, speedy delivery
May 10 21:11:30 <ds2> $28.20 isn't too bad
May 10 21:11:45 <ds2> heard stories about >$100 duties
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