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Dec 13 01:22:29 <ds2> sakoman: ping
Dec 13 01:23:50 <mdp> ds2, I'm hoping some alternatives are produced soon
Dec 13 01:24:08 <ds2> mdp: forces are at work and things are in motion
Dec 13 01:24:29 <ds2> IMO, the hub should be deleted so full OTG can be available. console can be exposed on a 3 pin header
Dec 13 01:24:37 <ds2> probally also delete the ethernet
Dec 13 01:24:45 <ds2> add a wifi
Dec 13 01:24:52 <ds2> add bt
Dec 13 01:24:53 <ka6sox> emeb, you about?
Dec 13 01:25:35 <LolOLOlo> actually i'd also prefer TX/RX/GND on board, i would not have this driver issue hahahah
Dec 13 01:26:09 <mdp> ds2, yes, I hear everybody is making a cape and hacking the baseboard :)
Dec 13 01:26:30 <ds2> mdp: more interesting in redoing the base board
Dec 13 01:26:47 <ds2> should do a kickstart thing for a 'fixed' beagle bone ;)
Dec 13 01:28:27 * LolOLOlo is wondering what is the big problem ????
Dec 13 01:28:54 <ds2> anyone else interested? :D
Dec 13 01:29:15 <ka6sox> ds2, "fix" what?
Dec 13 01:29:38 <ds2> ka6sox: remove the ethernet and the hub so the OTG capability is exposed
Dec 13 01:29:45 <ds2> and maybe other little details
Dec 13 01:29:57 <ds2> maybe turn the RJ45 into a console port
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Dec 13 01:32:56 <ka6sox> ds2, nothing like making it confusing and plugging in a ethernet to the "console" port.
Dec 13 01:34:50 <ds2> ka6sox: ethernet is so useless
Dec 13 01:35:07 <ds2> if there is a RJ45, the least it can do is act as a console port
Dec 13 01:35:41 <TheBurrito> Is there some secret to getting dhclient working in angstrom? (or another way to do dhcp?)
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Dec 13 03:18:28 <emeb> ka6sox: I'm here
Dec 13 03:57:09 <Patrick> hi
Dec 13 03:57:48 <Guest56823> I have tried to do opkg update on bb, however, i am getting download failure errors. I am using sakoman image. Any suggestion to this issue? Thanks for any help! :) 
Dec 13 03:58:09 <Patrick2011> I have tried to do opkg update on bb, however, i am getting download failure errors. I am using sakoman image. Any suggestion to this issue? Thanks for any help! :) 
Dec 13 04:07:22 <Patrick2011> I have tried to do opkg update on bb, however, i am getting download failure errors. I am using sakoman image. Any suggestion to this issue? Thanks for any help! :) 
Dec 13 04:11:53 <emeb_mac> *crickets*
Dec 13 04:17:56 <ds2> heh, LEDs do indeed have a low tolerance for reverse voltage
Dec 13 04:18:31 <thurbad> heh, that they do
Dec 13 04:29:21 <emeb_mac> ds2: how low? 
Dec 13 04:30:55 <Patrick2011> Hi everyone, I had a problem with opkg update command for bb. It reflects download failure as it could not download the actual file from sakoman website. Is there any other ways to update opkg other than the sole command of "opkg update"? Thanks for any help given! :) 
Dec 13 04:31:16 <Patrick2011> Hi everyone, I had a problem with opkg update command for bb. It reflects download failure as it could not download the actual file from sakoman website. Is there any other ways to update opkg other than the sole command of "opkg update"? Thanks for any help given! :) btw, i am using sakoman image. :) 
Dec 13 04:32:07 <ds2> emeb_mac: I blew mine at about 10V
Dec 13 04:32:23 <ds2> a complete non issue if it was a 1N4001
Dec 13 04:32:33 <ds2> think even a 1N914 would be okay with it
Dec 13 04:33:01 <emeb_mac> ds2: probably. I've never tried reverse biasing LEDs beyond 5V or so.
Dec 13 04:33:30 <ds2> emeb_mac: it was a power supply error. I cranked down the current limit assuming I had left it on 5V
Dec 13 04:33:46 <emeb_mac> I figured they had to be OK with RB on the order of 2-3V since you often find red/green in back/back configuration.
Dec 13 04:34:13 <ds2> ye
Dec 13 04:35:18 <emeb_mac> for giggles I've got some LEDs hooked across the windings of a stepper motor. They light up pretty bright when you turn the shaft and that's a pretty strong AC signal.
Dec 13 04:36:01 <Patrick2011> Hi everyone, I had a problem with opkg update command for bb. It reflects download failure as it could not download the actual file from sakoman website. Is there any other ways to update opkg other than the sole command of "opkg update"? Thanks for any help given! :) btw, i am using sakoman image. :) 
Dec 13 04:36:53 <emeb_mac> Patrick2011: sorry - can't help. Maybe wait until sakoman is on the chl.
Dec 13 04:37:40 <emeb_mac> Patrick2011: fwiw I've never tried using opkg update from the sakoman repo. Always direct from the Angstrom repo.
Dec 13 05:25:40 <koen> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.12-core-beaglebone-2011.12.13.img.gz
Dec 13 05:30:22 <koen> prpplague: https://github.com/koenkooi/beaglebone-capes/tree/master/BeagleBone%20weatherstation/gerbers
Dec 13 05:35:55 <ds2> koen: solar powered?
Dec 13 05:39:45 <koen> no
Dec 13 05:42:27 <koen> hmm, no outline in the gerbers
Dec 13 05:42:33 * mranostay kicks ubuntu and himself for doing a apt-get dist-upgrade
Dec 13 05:42:37 <mranostay> if it ain't broke..
Dec 13 05:42:56 <koen> people still use ubuntu on their host?
Dec 13 05:43:23 <mranostay> oh crap am i going to get mocked now :)
Dec 13 06:14:10 <hitlin37> sudo apt-get moo :)
Dec 13 06:16:26 <sundar> what you guys prefer running on your hosts?
Dec 13 06:28:26 <_av500_> linux
Dec 13 06:29:59 <nemik> do PHYs exist that have wan+4-lan switch?
Dec 13 06:30:21 <nemik> or do the WAN and the switch require separate PHYs?
Dec 13 06:32:32 <_av500_> wan`
Dec 13 06:32:35 <ds2> check out what is in the 'wrt54' style routers
Dec 13 06:34:39 <nemik> ds2: yea, they seem to be a single IC. so could i theoretically then use one of those with the RMII interface on the AM335x instead of the SMSC LAN8710A?
Dec 13 06:34:52 <ds2> *nod*
Dec 13 06:35:02 <ds2> enable dot1q
Dec 13 06:35:43 <nemik> awesome. thank you ds2
Dec 13 06:36:54 <ds2> =)
Dec 13 06:37:14 <ds2> what are you building that needs that many ports?
Dec 13 06:41:53 <sundar> a router? :)
Dec 13 06:42:57 <ds2> an ordinary router would seem to be cheaper if one just gets a wrt54 box
Dec 13 06:43:43 <sundar> yes, a lot
Dec 13 06:46:38 <nemik> ds2: yea, using ordinary routers now, but eventually want to do more processing on them (perhaps even stills from cameras) and am hence considering AM355x-based stuff; it's a hell of a chip
Dec 13 06:47:42 <ds2> nemik: ah, I see.
Dec 13 06:47:54 <nemik> i don't even need that many ports, but want a WAN for general connectivity but then also a local LAN for other devices to connect to the main one; it's sort of a weird setup
Dec 13 06:48:19 <ds2> what is the WAN for?
Dec 13 06:48:22 <ds2> DSL?
Dec 13 06:48:30 <ds2> and don't you also need WiFi?
Dec 13 06:48:33 <nemik> sure, or whatever is available at a site
Dec 13 06:49:05 <nemik> no, lots of customers specifically do not want wifi broadcasting
Dec 13 06:49:26 <ds2> oh I see
Dec 13 06:49:27 <nemik> so ethernet is great. if not then, then USB for 3G modems
Dec 13 06:49:36 <nemik> s/then/that
Dec 13 06:50:09 <ds2> hmmm
Dec 13 06:50:15 <ds2> interesting application
Dec 13 06:50:17 <nemik> though lots of routers have USB nowadays too
Dec 13 06:50:49 <ds2> yes
Dec 13 06:51:07 <ds2> that MIPS SoC has them, just not everyone breaks them out
Dec 13 06:51:37 <nemik> what sucks the most is OpenWRT not being ported well to ARM cores yet. that distro is amazing for this
Dec 13 06:52:09 <ds2> sounds like something you can contribute to
Dec 13 06:52:15 <nemik> though i haven't delved too deep into Angstrom yet so might not be fair to judge yet
Dec 13 06:52:22 <ds2> tune and polish it for the Bone
Dec 13 06:52:38 <nemik> yea perhaps
Dec 13 06:53:12 <ds2> got to give angstrom a viable competitor given that ubuntu is a non starter ;)
Dec 13 06:53:38 <nemik> eh, ubuntu could theoretically work; just so heavy for something like this
Dec 13 06:54:10 <nemik> there aren't any HMDI capes yet to try ubuntu desktop, right?
Dec 13 06:54:27 <ds2> why bother?
Dec 13 06:54:30 <ds2> just make a LCD interface
Dec 13 06:54:42 <nemik> ah good point
Dec 13 06:54:45 <ds2> it is like brain dead simple for the bone
Dec 13 06:58:22 <nemik> straight LVDS?
Dec 13 07:00:10 <ds2> parallel
Dec 13 07:00:19 <ds2> parallel is brain dead simple
Dec 13 07:03:50 <nemik> hmm havan't used it yet, so far i'm happy enough to telnet and ssh into things, no need for LCD :)
Dec 13 07:14:15 <ds2> 9
Dec 13 07:20:05 <Russ> Ladies Dancing?
Dec 13 08:02:35 <Russ> koen, http://www.openembedded.org/index.php/Getting_started "Productivity notes"; "Use the interactive bitbake mode ("bitbake -i") to speed up work when debugging or developing .bb files."
Dec 13 08:03:03 <Russ> vs http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Interactive_debugging "Now, there are so many things broken with it that you should probably refrain from using it. "
Dec 13 08:59:29 <ds2> Hmmm
Dec 13 08:59:38 <av500> \o/
Dec 13 09:05:11 <ds2> hey av500
Dec 13 09:05:27 <ka6sox> ds2, you coming to SCaLE?
Dec 13 09:05:44 <ds2> ka6sox: maybe, haven't heard back on my paper
Dec 13 09:06:25 <ka6sox> kk
Dec 13 09:07:05 <ds2> ka6sox: are you?
Dec 13 09:07:52 <ka6sox> yes, I *have* to be there.
Dec 13 09:08:01 <ds2> oh you working it 
Dec 13 09:08:16 <ka6sox> yes, running A/V
Dec 13 09:08:29 <ds2> thought there were several others also doing AV?
Dec 13 09:08:58 <ka6sox> I have quite a bit more help now....Mike is taking on Video :D
Dec 13 09:09:16 <ds2> I see
Dec 13 09:09:25 <ka6sox> much easier this year.
Dec 13 09:09:46 <ds2> I wouldn't mind helping with an embedded related booth
Dec 13 09:11:04 <LetoThe2nd> beaglebone arrived! \o/
Dec 13 09:11:31 <LetoThe2nd> ... now i just need an altoids box.
Dec 13 09:12:07 * av500 haz one, wisely bought in SFO before departing
Dec 13 09:12:23 <LetoThe2nd> av500: you could've told me :((((
Dec 13 09:13:18 <av500> you would have come to SFO too?
Dec 13 09:13:25 <av500> for an altoids shopping spree?
Dec 13 09:13:31 <av500> next time I will :)
Dec 13 09:13:40 <LetoThe2nd> av500: you dont take mailorders? ;)
Dec 13 09:13:47 <av500> LetoThe2nd: but you can buy altoids here
Dec 13 09:13:57 <av500> some supermarkets or gas stations
Dec 13 09:15:14 <LetoThe2nd> av500: ah really? never senn them
Dec 13 09:15:39 <av500> dm oder müller
Dec 13 09:15:57 <LetoThe2nd> av500: i got a dm nearby, gotta check, thanks for the hint :)
Dec 13 09:16:22 <av500> http://www.shopwahl.de/a/produktliste/idx/5030100/mot/Altoids/produktliste.htm
Dec 13 09:16:42 <LetoThe2nd> \o/
Dec 13 09:17:13 <av500> http://www.worldofsweets.de/Zuckerwaren/Bonbons/Altoids/Altoids-Peppermint.html?force_sid=8d0976bd0d093d3a7b29a0157b7a9c0d&azrec=a5cb54c2-a0b7-4bed-953e-725b4861c0d8
Dec 13 09:17:55 <av500> LetoThe2nd: http://www.worldofsweets.de/Themen/Geschenkideen/Erotische-Suesswaren/Kitty-L-Amour-s-Famous-Blow-Job-Mints.html
Dec 13 09:18:05 <LetoThe2nd> now, finally you reveal all your secret sources!
Dec 13 09:18:11 <av500> oops, nsfw, I should have scrolled down :)
Dec 13 09:18:49 <LetoThe2nd> charrcharrcharr
Dec 13 09:34:57 <amossam> hello! does anyone have problem with crc error on bb?
Dec 13 09:36:43 <amossam> i have installed funtoo with 3.0.8 kernel, 
Dec 13 09:37:58 <amossam> and if i leave cpu scaling governor to userspace, default one, cpu stays at 600 mhz, and everything if fine, but slow....
Dec 13 09:38:59 <amossam> if i set cpu scaling governor to anything else, cpu scaling works, with 300, 600, 800 and 1000 mhz steps, but then system starts to give seg faults and crc errors...
Dec 13 09:39:07 <amossam> any hints??
Dec 13 09:44:22 <av500> dear lazyweb, why the hell do I get a bus error here:  http://pastebin.com/uVgz5FXP
Dec 13 09:46:40 <ka6sox> oops...guess I stuffed up that module.
Dec 13 09:46:57 <ka6sox> first kernel panic on the bone
Dec 13 11:48:31 <_av500_> hmm, this OCX SSD has TX and RX pins
Dec 13 11:48:42 <_av500_> I wonder how fast SSD over serial can be
Dec 13 11:48:54 <mru> serial ata?
Dec 13 11:49:21 <_av500_> yes, it has SATA too
Dec 13 11:49:37 <_av500_> it also has jtag pins
Dec 13 11:49:39 <mru> oh, I thought you were being "funny"
Dec 13 11:49:49 <_av500_> no, it really has RX and TX
Dec 13 11:50:04 <mru> wire it up and see what happens
Dec 13 11:50:08 <_av500_> of course
Dec 13 11:50:32 <_av500_> maybe sandforce runs linux :)
Dec 13 11:50:46 <mru> I hope not
Dec 13 11:52:42 <_av500_> this 120G SSD has 128G worth of nand
Dec 13 11:54:34 <mru> so you have 8G for wear leveling and bad blocks
Dec 13 11:55:12 <mru> but which kind of G? http://xkcd.com/394/
Dec 13 11:56:09 <LeslieLi> hi, I built a startup sdcard with script introduced in http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu, but what is the login name and password?
Dec 13 12:13:40 <tasslehoff> What's this SPL change for x-loader/u-boot?
Dec 13 12:14:02 <Crofton|work> spl replaces xloader?
Dec 13 12:14:10 <jkridner> tasslehoff: you mean that we've changed to using SPL?
Dec 13 12:14:57 <tasslehoff> ah, so spl is another bootloader? 
Dec 13 12:15:03 * tasslehoff got his googling wrong
Dec 13 12:15:29 <jkridner> tasslehoff: SPL is part of u-boot source and gives a way to load full u-boot.
Dec 13 12:15:40 <jkridner> I think it stands for secondary program loader.
Dec 13 12:15:54 <tasslehoff> jkridner: pulled latest oe-core and noticed u-boot is now an img file instead of a bin file, and the commit message mentioned spl :)
Dec 13 12:16:32 <tasslehoff> trying to figure out what I must change..
Dec 13 12:16:40 <jkridner> idea being it is a fixed-function bootloader that just loads a single program.
Dec 13 12:17:30 <jkridner> problem with x-loader was that much fewer people were using and maintaining it, so it wasn't as flexible or updated/unified.
Dec 13 12:17:40 <jkridner> you just need to change where you get MLO from....
Dec 13 12:17:56 <jkridner> now, it is spit out as part of building u-boot.
Dec 13 12:18:28 <tasslehoff> jkridner: ok. so the patches I had for x-loader will have to be redone somewhere in the u-boot source?
Dec 13 12:20:41 <jkridner> yeah, if you need to patch x-loader, yes, you'd need to patch u-boot instead.
Dec 13 12:23:26 <tasslehoff> thanks
Dec 13 12:49:00 <_av500_> tasslehoff: patch what? different sdram?
Dec 13 12:59:13 <tasslehoff> _av500_: yup. hooked up differently from what the beagle did/does
Dec 13 12:59:56 <Zmurf> Hi, has anyone else experienced that the MAC-address of the ethernet interface changes when running udhcpc ?
Dec 13 13:12:44 <bradfa> Zmurf, on xM? Yes.  This link should help: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/69e418e4ce5a3fac/8e536cd88d118d82
Dec 13 13:14:18 <Zmurf> bradfa: Actually, it is own hardware, but it is based on xM
Dec 13 13:15:02 <Zmurf> But thanks! I can use this!
Dec 13 13:18:46 <damir__> Anyone played with usb otg on beagle? ( http://wh1t3s.com/2009/05/11/beagleboard-as-usb-mass-storage-device-via-usb-otg/ ), the g_file_storage module loads up, but nothing happens when I plug in the usb to my pc
Dec 13 13:24:00 <Zmurf> bradfa: it appears to have worked
Dec 13 13:56:39 <jkridner> damir__: works fine for me.  what exactly are you trying?
Dec 13 13:57:44 <damir__> jkridner: to have my beagle act as a usb storage device
Dec 13 13:57:49 <TheBurrito> Where can I add a script to run on boot in angstrom on the beagleboard?
Dec 13 13:57:52 <damir__> i connect it to my laptop via usb
Dec 13 14:01:22 <jkridner> damir__: I mean, what are the steps you are taking, one by one, along with the serial console log.
Dec 13 14:02:22 <damir__> i opkg-ed the driver and did everything in that post, except recompiled the kernel
Dec 13 14:02:25 <jkridner> TheBurrito: google 'systemd', because that is the init tool used on the latest versions of Angstrom.  If you are using an older version, it would use 'sysvinit'.
Dec 13 14:02:33 <damir__> i thought installing the driver will do
Dec 13 14:02:41 <TheBurrito> jkridner: thanks
Dec 13 14:04:58 <jkridner> damir__: there are a lot of steps in there to go wrong.  what was the serial console output of the 'modprobe g_file_storage file=/home/root/fsbackfile'? 
Dec 13 14:05:27 <grzly> hey: any1 know if there are any plans to update the BeagleBoard to use the newer Cortex A9 CPU instead?
Dec 13 14:06:17 <damir__> jkridner: nothing, it did it without problems
Dec 13 14:06:29 <jkridner> it should have printed something.
Dec 13 14:06:38 <jkridner> what does 'dmesg' say right after?
Dec 13 14:07:14 <damir__> [ 5415.270782] g_file_storage gadget: File-backed Storage Gadget, version: 20 November 2008
Dec 13 14:07:15 <damir__> [ 5415.279388] g_file_storage gadget: Number of LUNs=1
Dec 13 14:07:15 <damir__> [ 5415.284301] g_file_storage gadget-lun0: ro=0, file: /home/root/storage_fs
Dec 13 14:07:20 <LetoThe2nd> a pearl from the bone SRM: "The most useful interface provided is the backlight interface"
Dec 13 14:09:19 <damir__> does g_file_storage take care for acting as storage device to host, or do I need anything else for that?
Dec 13 14:10:05 <grzly> sry clearly a channel for hardware techs
Dec 13 14:12:28 <_av500_> damir__: yes
Dec 13 14:13:40 <damir__> so if module gets loaded without problems it should work
Dec 13 14:13:42 <sakoman_> koen: any updates on SGX SDK with kernels >= 3.0?
Dec 13 14:13:46 <damir__> I'll check my host pc
Dec 13 14:18:25 <_av500_> damir__: what are you passing to the module?
Dec 13 14:18:52 <damir__> file containing partition, formatted to fat32
Dec 13 14:19:20 <damir__> i can loop mount it, and it works
Dec 13 14:19:26 <damir__> on the beagle
Dec 13 14:20:48 <_av500_> just a partition would be seen by the host as "superfloppy"
Dec 13 14:20:51 <_av500_> what is the host?
Dec 13 14:22:34 <damir__> ubuntu, kernel 2.6.32-36
Dec 13 14:23:36 <damir__> i see now that my host actually detects storage
Dec 13 14:23:39 <damir__> [25106.024933] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Linux    File-Stor Gadget 0316 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Dec 13 14:23:40 <damir__> [25106.026101] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
Dec 13 14:23:40 <damir__> [25106.036363] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 131072 512-byte logical blocks: (67.1 MB/64.0 MiB)
Dec 13 14:23:51 <damir__> which is correct, because fat partition is 64M
Dec 13 14:23:54 <damir__> i just can't mount it
Dec 13 14:23:57 <_av500_> fdisk /dev/sdb should tell you
Dec 13 14:24:27 <damir__> Unable to open /dev/sdb
Dec 13 14:25:21 <_av500_> as root?
Dec 13 14:25:50 <damir__> yes
Dec 13 14:26:59 <damir__> i tried fdisk again and it hanged
Dec 13 14:27:05 <damir__> beagle got [ 6251.466308] musb g_file_storage gadget disconnected.
Dec 13 14:27:52 <damir__> oh that was when i reconnected usb, sorry
Dec 13 14:30:02 <damir__> but, /dev/sdb1 just appeared :D
Dec 13 14:40:02 <damir__> well, it worked
Dec 13 14:40:31 <damir__> the changes i made from host weren't written, but that's probably because i did rmmod g_file_storage afterwards
Dec 13 14:42:18 <_av500_> did you unmount on the host? or saync?
Dec 13 14:42:20 <_av500_> sync
Dec 13 14:42:42 <damir__> forgot to :)
Dec 13 14:42:44 <damir__> i'll try again
Dec 13 15:41:55 * Russ sighs, 'rescued:     5895 MB,  errsize:   2044 MB'
Dec 13 17:51:03 <Crofton|work> you give me email address and irc cloak, I give you copyright assignemnt and patent assignemnt
Dec 13 17:51:07 <Crofton|work> bad del for me
Dec 13 17:52:31 <amossam> hello everybody. does anyone have problems with CRC errors while compiling on board?
Dec 13 18:08:59 <_av500_> on board a train or plane?
Dec 13 18:09:57 <jhonnyboy> hey all
Dec 13 18:10:30 <jhonnyboy> I'm new to microcontrollers and robotics in general. Just looking for a starting point. Is it possible to connect an xbox 360 wireless controller to the beagle board?
Dec 13 18:11:54 <amossam> :S on beagleboard!
Dec 13 18:15:10 <amossam> i have installed funtoo with armnstrong 3.0.8 kernel
Dec 13 18:15:32 <amossam> and by default, it holds cpu at 600 mhz
Dec 13 18:15:59 <amossam> but when i change cpuscaling governor, crc errors and segfaults start to show!
Dec 13 18:16:12 <_av500_> hmm
Dec 13 18:16:22 <_av500_> what beagle?
Dec 13 18:16:32 <amossam> xm rev c
Dec 13 18:16:32 <_av500_> what governor?
Dec 13 18:16:48 * amossam tried performance and on demand
Dec 13 18:17:46 <amossam> by default, its userspace, at 600 mhz, and that ways it works ok, without errors
Dec 13 18:19:24 <_av500_> sorry, no idea
Dec 13 18:19:36 <_av500_> XM should work at 1GHz easily
Dec 13 18:19:52 <amossam> it should
Dec 13 18:19:56 <_av500_> unless something about the voltage setting is messed up
Dec 13 18:20:17 <amossam> i'll try later with original card that came with bb
Dec 13 18:20:20 * jkridner plans to add http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ to links on http://beagleboard.org/chat
Dec 13 18:20:31 <amossam> how can i check voltages?
Dec 13 18:23:49 <_av500_> koen: can the next B* board please fit into a Skittles box?
Dec 13 18:25:21 <amossam> and also, read/write performance of uSD card is low
Dec 13 18:25:32 <_av500_> thats true
Dec 13 18:25:48 <ka6sox> _av500_, got a picture and comparison of size on a skittles box?
Dec 13 18:26:06 <amossam> i get r/w 9.8/4.4 on class 10 card...
Dec 13 18:30:07 <_av500_> ka6sox: right away
Dec 13 18:34:35 <_av500_> ka6sox: that url work for you? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pFp43q9tCw8/TueZNu3tRGI/AAAAAAAABUM/yupMiC7iKRs/h301/2011%2B-%2B1
Dec 13 18:35:11 <ka6sox> _av500_, nice
Dec 13 18:35:23 <ka6sox> we have packets here of Skittles...not boxes.
Dec 13 18:35:56 <jkridner> _av500_: what are the dimension deltas to get there?
Dec 13 18:36:13 <jkridner> have you tried a Dremel?
Dec 13 18:36:26 <_av500_> jkridner: 1cm in width, lenght is almost good
Dec 13 18:40:49 <LolOLOlo> hi ! would you know how i could get the cape that has the AUDIO CODEC + 3.5mm audio jacks ?
Dec 13 18:41:14 <LolOLOlo> i know it is in prototype stage, but if there is a way to buy it that'd b great
Dec 13 18:41:52 <prpplague> koen: please make sure you include a pdf schematic
Dec 13 18:43:39 * mdp notes the out of the box thinking going on here
Dec 13 18:50:48 <prpplague> koen: not bad for your first attempt
Dec 13 18:50:58 <_av500_> mdp: I'm trying to eat myself out of a box!
Dec 13 18:51:39 * prpplague thinks that it is probably a very large box if _av500_ is inside
Dec 13 18:51:58 <djlewis> perhaps if so, it will be a full meal ;)
Dec 13 18:54:57 * djlewis prefers tuesday pizza to a cardboard box :)
Dec 13 18:55:27 <_av500_> djlewis: get the pizza with Skittles topping!
Dec 13 18:56:36 <djlewis> _av500_: no, but eating the American hamburger chain Wendy's burgers is like eating cardboard.
Dec 13 19:04:41 * Russ wonders what koen did
Dec 13 19:05:46 <prpplague> Russ: https://github.com/koenkooi/beaglebone-capes/tree/master/BeagleBone%20weatherstation/gerbers
Dec 13 19:05:56 <prpplague> Russ: accessory board for the beaglebone
Dec 13 19:42:55 <xxiao> anyone here tested bone's gigabit ethernet?
Dec 13 19:43:10 <xxiao> some docs actually say it's 10/100, while others say it's 10/100/1000
Dec 13 19:44:13 <tasslehoff> join #u-boot
Dec 13 19:44:22 <tasslehoff> oh no! my secret revealed
Dec 13 19:44:22 <mdp> xxiao, it's a 10/100 phy
Dec 13 19:44:29 <LetoThe2nd> xxiao: they mostly say that the cpu is basically capable of 10/100/1000, but the rest of the pcbs incarnation is limited to 10/100
Dec 13 19:44:36 <mdp> xxiao connected to the 10/100/1000 mac interface
Dec 13 19:44:48 <xxiao> so it's 10/100 then
Dec 13 19:44:54 <mdp> correct
Dec 13 19:45:07 <xxiao> if i hook it to a 1Gbps will it do it?
Dec 13 19:45:23 <LetoThe2nd> it will do 100 then.
Dec 13 19:45:32 <mdp> how many 10/100 phys have you worked with before will negotiation 1000?
Dec 13 19:45:41 <mdp> *negotiate
Dec 13 19:45:44 <mdp> no
Dec 13 19:45:45 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: you used arduino stuff?
Dec 13 19:46:09 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: nope :P
Dec 13 19:48:10 <xxiao> mdp: from am335x tech manual it does say 10/100/1000, meanwhile RGMII etc confirms that
Dec 13 19:48:10 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: but i ordered a bunch of level shifter breakouts to eventually hook up my m3 to the panda :)
Dec 13 19:48:16 <xxiao> so it's there just not on bone
Dec 13 19:48:26 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: dandy
Dec 13 19:48:28 <LetoThe2nd> xxiao: yes. thats the correct way to say it.
Dec 13 19:48:37 <xxiao> ok
Dec 13 19:48:39 <prpplague> speaking of which, i haven't heard back from peter
Dec 13 19:48:43 * prpplague sends an email
Dec 13 19:48:43 <mdp> xxiao, yes, you asked about the bone, I said it had a 10/100 phy
Dec 13 19:48:50 <xxiao> got it. thanks
Dec 13 19:49:19 <xxiao> is ICE a separate unit? it appears it has two ethernet ports
Dec 13 19:50:03 <mdp> fwiw, the explanation for the 10/100 phy is cost..big difference
Dec 13 19:50:23 <tasslehoff> Why is the do_userbutton function in u-boot not pulled in if CONFIG_SPL_BUILD is set?
Dec 13 19:51:12 <xxiao> mdp: i now recall that freescale's e500 porting used some of your 4xx code :)
Dec 13 19:52:11 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: now i only need to buy chocolate to tease our smt soldering girls into preparing my stuff :)
Dec 13 19:52:51 <mdp> yeah, galak based it on ppc440 since that was the first book e part from either company
Dec 13 19:52:58 * prpplague wonders if LetoThe2nd is reading from prpplague 's playbook
Dec 13 19:53:24 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: is it a shopping list? levelshifters and chocolate also?
Dec 13 19:53:40 <LolOLOlo> is there a dedicated channel for beaglebone ?
Dec 13 19:54:08 <bradfa> LolOLOlo, no, it falls under BeagleBoard stuffs
Dec 13 19:54:23 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: hehe, just mean i usually use the chocolate trick for getting stuff done at the board house, hehe
Dec 13 19:54:28 <LolOLOlo> but the two are fairly different no ?
Dec 13 19:54:31 <mdp> #beagle*
Dec 13 19:54:40 <bradfa> LolOLOlo, Sort of...
Dec 13 19:54:53 <LolOLOlo> the MCU ...
Dec 13 19:55:27 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: i guess this is an internationally standardized practise in electronics companies :)
Dec 13 19:55:37 <bradfa> LolOLOlo, Can run the same binaries on them.  May even be able to build a kernel that runs on both (haven't tried myself yet).  Bootloaders will be a little different.
Dec 13 19:55:58 <LolOLOlo> oh i see ..
Dec 13 19:55:59 <bradfa> LolOLOlo, Both are BeagleBoard.org projects done by the same group of people
Dec 13 19:56:19 <mdp> totally independent of TI, of course
Dec 13 19:56:19 <xxiao> prpplague: when will the dvi/bone be ready for the public?
Dec 13 19:56:26 <LolOLOlo> yes, that i knew, i guess when you run linux & android, you don't mind much which MCU it is behind...
Dec 13 19:56:42 <prpplague> xxiao: sorry no clue, i am not part of the beagleboard team
Dec 13 19:57:08 <LolOLOlo> but i'd think for people interested in low-level, the two boards are fairly different
Dec 13 19:57:15 <bradfa> LolOLOlo, yes
Dec 13 19:57:43 <bradfa> They have different goals
Dec 13 19:57:44 <LolOLOlo> like this AM335x has those 2 extra RISC cores (PRU) that are really interesting
Dec 13 19:58:01 <bradfa> the PRU are rather limited in what they can do
Dec 13 19:58:15 <bradfa> I'm not even sure there's a C compiler for them (but I haven't researched it much)
Dec 13 19:58:38 <LolOLOlo> they could take care of many potentiometers, buttons, LEDs, simple stuff yeah ..
Dec 13 20:00:20 <mdp> bradfa, no c compiler
Dec 13 20:00:31 <LolOLOlo> is it assembly only ?
Dec 13 20:00:53 <djlewis> hmm, BeagleBone looks so much like stm32 Discovery boards
Dec 13 20:01:01 <mdp> that's what's provided for am180x/omapl138
Dec 13 20:01:22 <mdp> pru is mostly an exercise left for the reader
Dec 13 20:01:38 <LolOLOlo> well but we need at least a way to program them hahaha
Dec 13 20:01:50 <mdp> yep
Dec 13 20:02:17 <LolOLOlo> it's true they don't have much memory, but they are 2 of them at 200 MHz, it's not bad 
Dec 13 20:02:27 <bradfa> See: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/PRU_Assembly_Reference_Guide
Dec 13 20:02:38 <amossam> can someone tell how can i check cpu voltages from linux? is it possible?
Dec 13 20:02:41 <LolOLOlo> thanks bradfa
Dec 13 20:02:48 <bradfa> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/PRU_Linux_Application_Loader
Dec 13 20:03:10 <mdp> keep in mind that the PRU version is updated in am335x.
Dec 13 20:03:35 <mdp> if interested in it, I recommend you read all that stuff under those links, plus the 180x/l138 pru trm details
Dec 13 20:03:44 <LolOLOlo> ok
Dec 13 20:03:45 <mdp> then compare the 335x pru trm info
Dec 13 20:04:32 <LolOLOlo> oh it's 12:00 need to grab lunch
Dec 13 20:05:45 <tasslehoff> the BOOTCOMMAND still references userbutton, though it's not compiled in. 
Dec 13 20:06:28 <mdp> tasslehoff, Tartarus can answer your "why" question, but he's out today
Dec 13 20:07:34 <alan_o> Where can I find current info on building a stock kernel for BeagleBoard? It used to be to grab the patches from OE, but there don't seem to be any for the 3.x kernels in the place I'm looking, but I think the right place may have changed.
Dec 13 20:08:00 <tasslehoff> mdp: than my guess is that Tartarus is Tom Rini?
Dec 13 20:08:10 <mdp> yep
Dec 13 20:08:38 <alan_o> (sorry, didn't mean to interrupt)
Dec 13 20:08:58 <tasslehoff> mdp: ok. will pester him later than. would like to play along with SPL, but I need the userbutton as well :)
Dec 13 20:09:12 <mdp> could be an oversight
Dec 13 20:10:12 <tasslehoff> mdp: it's commented out because of a linker error. I'm trying to find out if there's another solution.
Dec 13 20:10:14 <mdp> I know originally (I helped a little bit on some spl crud for our boards) that behavior was simply to follow the load source indicator that the RBL leaves (like omap4 guys did first)
Dec 13 20:11:27 <mdp> I wonder if something got partially done on beagleboard stuff for that…I can tell you that adding support for beagleboard* came much later as most focus was on 335x-related stuff at first
Dec 13 20:11:50 <mdp> but again, best to wait for the guy that really knows the history :)
Dec 13 20:12:35 <tasslehoff> mdp: will do.
Dec 13 20:13:03 <mdp> bang his nick enough and he might look at his laptop :)
Dec 13 20:22:42 <alan_o> In OpenEmbedded are there beagleboard patches for Linux 3.1 ?
Dec 13 20:22:55 <alan_o> Am I just missing them, or have they moved?
Dec 13 20:23:20 <alan_o> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLinuxKernel
Dec 13 20:23:40 <alan_o> the instructions there seem like they may be a bit out of date
Dec 13 20:24:55 <alan_o> I can find up to 2.6.39 in http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux
Dec 13 20:25:55 <alan_o> The 2.6.39 ones did work for that kernel, but now I'm trying to upgrade it. What I'm really looking for is the current patch which does adds the "buddy" kernel parameter
Dec 13 20:28:20 <alan_o> Actually, what I'm really looking for is a kernel on which the USB doesn't give me the following:
Dec 13 20:28:32 <alan_o> [ 4680.507324] ehci-omap ehci-omap.0: force halt; handshake fa064814 00004000 00000000 -> -110 [ 4680.516418] ehci-omap ehci-omap.0: HC died; cleaning up
Dec 13 20:29:17 <alan_o> All the USB dies at that point. I want to try the latest kernel to see if that clears it. Not a lot online about that particular error (and not a lot in the way of solutions)
Dec 13 20:30:17 <xxiao> processors.wiki.ti.com is hard to navigate
Dec 13 20:32:01 <alan_o> I agree. I find that any site on which they try to make a wiki pass for documentation is hard to navigate. It's great that there's stuff there, but it's hard to find (especially when you don't know what to google for) because not everything is linked from the root it seems.
Dec 13 20:35:38 <mdp> I'm not sure anything will beat google for nav
Dec 13 20:36:44 <mdp> dedicated techpubs for the wiki would be nice
Dec 13 20:42:23 <xxiao> well i would hope they use 'tags' or a book layout(similar to drupal's book module)
Dec 13 20:43:18 <xxiao> also ti's build system produces intermediate docs there, sometimes it's a little misleading
Dec 13 20:44:11 * xxiao just found out git's no-binary option, nice
Dec 13 20:53:59 <mdp> there's no tool that creates good docs without quality data and metadata to feed it
Dec 13 21:03:12 <Crofton|work> anyone with aprs gear in southern eu, northern africa?
Dec 13 21:03:22 <Crofton|work> http://aprs.fi/?call=k6rpt-11&mt=roadmap&z=7&timerange=86400&_s=ss_call
Dec 13 21:03:30 <Crofton|work> tx'ing on us aprs frequency
Dec 13 21:28:55 <xenland> Hello. So yeah I tried compiling Boost++ on angstrom(beaglebone) It was taking too long so I thought I could just kill my computers terminal and it would stop the compiling process. Now when i try to log back in through the terminal it says /dev permission denied
Dec 13 21:29:02 <xenland> Is there a way to reboot?
Dec 13 21:29:47 <aholler> boost++?
Dec 13 21:30:51 <xenland> Yeah I was trying to install Bitcoin from source. and one of its pre-reqs was Boost++
Dec 13 21:31:19 <xenland> I don't have an microSD card reader I was thinking i could just some how reboot the OS or somthing
Dec 13 21:34:41 <xenland> Is it possible to just stick my USB hard drive into the beaglebone?
Dec 13 21:34:58 <xenland> and boot the OS
Dec 13 21:34:59 <aholler> psting the error msg somewhere might give us a clue. to reboot, just press the reset button or turn the device off and on again.
Dec 13 21:35:50 <amossam> ok, it seems that 3.0.8 Angstrom kernel, prebuild, is unstable on bb-xm rev. c. at least unstable when you set any cpufreq governor...
Dec 13 21:35:55 <aholler> how to you log in to your board?
Dec 13 21:35:59 <aholler> s/to/do/
Dec 13 21:36:44 <xenland> I'm on a Ubuntu linux computer connecting to the terminal(after running modprobe) with the following command "screen /dev/`dmesg  | grep FTDI | grep "now attached to" | tail -n 1 | awk '{ print $NF }'` 115200"
Dec 13 21:36:59 <aholler> xenland: try screen -DR
Dec 13 21:37:00 <xenland> Its hooked up through ethernet, usb, and power cord
Dec 13 21:37:19 <xenland> New screen?
Dec 13 21:37:38 <xenland> when i do the command i posted it says
Dec 13 21:37:54 <xenland> Cannot Exec '/dev/' permission denied
Dec 13 21:38:05 <xenland> It was working before I started the compiling process
Dec 13 21:38:12 <xenland> So I think its locking me out
Dec 13 21:38:24 <xenland> scince I didn't screen the compile process 
Dec 13 21:38:33 <xenland> idk i could be wrong
Dec 13 21:39:06 <aholler> how distributes such's ugly onliners? ;)
Dec 13 21:40:11 <aholler> your board isn't the problem
Dec 13 21:41:35 <aholler> try screen /dev/ttyUSB<tab> 115200
Dec 13 21:41:52 <aholler> assuming you only have one usb2serial attached
Dec 13 21:43:35 <easyat> Hey guys, I have my beagleboard up and running with Angstrom but I am unable to power USB devices(mouse/keyboard) is there a config I need to change to enable this?
Dec 13 21:44:08 <easyat> I'm using a 5v powersupply. Not USB OTG
Dec 13 21:44:32 <djlewis> Crofton|work: ok, what is moving at 11kft alt?
Dec 13 21:44:46 <Crofton|work> 110K
Dec 13 21:44:48 <Crofton|work> ballon
Dec 13 21:44:49 <xenland> easyat: I hear angstrom is bareminimum you may have to write drivers for them
Dec 13 21:44:52 <Crofton|work> launched from San Jose
Dec 13 21:44:53 <djlewis> cool
Dec 13 21:44:56 <Crofton|work> aprs beacon
Dec 13 21:45:16 <Crofton|work> amgstrom shoudl work with usb kb and mouse
Dec 13 21:45:18 <aholler> xenland: that oneliner you are using doesn't work if dmesg's buffer shifted out the msg with FTDI...
Dec 13 21:45:25 <easyat> I'm sure I can port drivers, it
Dec 13 21:45:30 <easyat> its* just a hastle
Dec 13 21:45:41 <djlewis> Crofton|work: wel it should get a good view from up there.
Dec 13 21:45:56 <easyat> What OS do you guys prefer?
Dec 13 21:45:56 <xenland> aholler: Uhhh? what? and your solution?
Dec 13 21:46:08 <aholler> try screen /dev/ttyUSB<tab> 115200
Dec 13 21:46:11 <aholler> (again)
Dec 13 21:47:29 <aholler> <tab> ist the tab-key 
Dec 13 21:49:35 <aholler> and hit the one which told you that screen-line ;)
Dec 13 21:49:35 <xenland> It barely gives me enough time to type anything before exiting out of screen
Dec 13 21:49:47 <xenland> I assure you have i no screens
Dec 13 21:49:58 <aholler> ls /dev/ttyUSB*
Dec 13 21:50:05 <aholler> how many do you have?
Dec 13 21:50:16 <aholler> just try them all
Dec 13 21:50:34 <xenland> I get this "ls: cannot access /dev/ttyUSB*: No such file or directory
Dec 13 21:50:34 <xenland> "
Dec 13 21:51:11 <easyat> tab should autocomplete the device
Dec 13 21:51:19 <easyat> hit tab twice to see if there anyothers with that prefix
Dec 13 21:51:24 <aholler> disconnect your usb2serial, connect it again, and your oneliner might work again
Dec 13 21:52:28 <aholler> and don't forget hit the one who hinted that ;)
Dec 13 21:53:58 <xenland> Just so we are clear when i try screen /dev/ttyUSB and then hit tab. It just does a tab after showing a blank screen. Then after 1 second says [Screen is terminating]
Dec 13 21:55:02 <|Shay|> xenland: Try ls /dev | grep tty
Dec 13 21:56:44 <aholler> xenland: if ls doesn't show any ttyUSBn the trick with tab doesn't work
Dec 13 21:56:50 <xenland> I get this http://pastebin.com/E6fpn1Nx
Dec 13 21:56:56 <xenland> oh? let me check
Dec 13 21:57:07 <xenland> nope
Dec 13 21:57:09 <xenland> didn't see it
Dec 13 21:57:29 <aholler> as I said, reconnect the usb2serial
Dec 13 21:58:07 <xenland> you mean unplug it and plug it back in? I've tried that already. Such as unplugging everything and then pluggin the power cord back in and the ethernet and the usb cord
Dec 13 21:58:09 <aholler> from the pc, not the beagle
Dec 13 21:58:45 <xenland> I think I have to just wait for it to finish compiling. Its probubly still doing its thing. 
Dec 13 21:58:52 <xenland> but I figured their must be another way
Dec 13 21:59:30 <aholler> i give uo
Dec 13 22:00:28 <xenland> anyways I had another question
Dec 13 22:01:03 <xenland> Once i get angstrom going again
Dec 13 22:01:28 <xenland> How do i plug a speaker or a headphone jack in here and register it on the angstrom
Dec 13 22:05:55 <easyat> So I can boot into Angstrom fine but I can't get any serial output
Dec 13 22:06:15 <easyat> I had to wire my own cable which I imagine is the issue.  It's supposed to be 1-1 2-2...9-9 correct?
Dec 13 22:08:02 <djlewis> 3-3
Dec 13 22:08:25 <djlewis> rx, tx, ground is all that is needed
Dec 13 22:13:18 <solidsnack> I would like to turn on power for the USB/Ethernet hub on the Beagleboard xM from within Linux. Is this possible?
Dec 13 22:14:06 <easyat> so all I need is 2-2 3-3 and 5-5?
Dec 13 22:23:35 <_av500_> aholler: howdy
Dec 13 22:23:59 * _av500_ wonder why everybody needs 1gbit on the bone so urgently
Dec 13 22:24:42 <Crofton|work> the want to attach USRP N210's
Dec 13 22:25:01 <Crofton|work> anyone know if the needed cmp xchng is available in armv7 for this:
Dec 13 22:25:03 <Crofton|work> http://tim.klingt.org/boost_lockfree/lockfree/design___implementation_of__lockfree_.html
Dec 13 22:25:05 <Sharpyuk> Hi
Dec 13 22:25:13 * Crofton|work waits for mru to puke
Dec 13 22:25:16 <_av500_> Crofton|work: and the URSPs can lose 1gbit over the air?
Dec 13 22:25:48 <_av500_> or they have a fast_dev/null?
Dec 13 22:25:55 <Crofton|work> close
Dec 13 22:25:58 <Sharpyuk> I'm trying to connect to beaglebone using CCS, but getting an error "device is held in reset"
Dec 13 22:26:02 <Crofton|work> 32 bit samples
Dec 13 22:26:12 <Sharpyuk> does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
Dec 13 22:26:13 <Crofton|work> data convertors run at 100 MHz
Dec 13 22:26:30 <Crofton|work> using CCS :)
Dec 13 22:26:35 <Sharpyuk> lol
Dec 13 22:26:37 <_av500_> Sharpyuk: take the finger off the reset button
Dec 13 22:26:42 <Crofton|work> you are using JTAG?
Dec 13 22:26:51 <Sharpyuk> yes tried that :-)
Dec 13 22:27:06 <Sharpyuk> It's just connected via usb
Dec 13 22:28:00 <Sharpyuk> I've configured as per instructions on here: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335X_StarterWare_Environment_Setup#Debugging_on_BeagleBone_board_using_CCSv5
Dec 13 22:28:02 <mru> Crofton|work: use ldrex/strex to implement atomics on arm
Dec 13 22:28:34 <mru> or use the gcc __sync_foo() intrinsics
Dec 13 22:28:43 <mru> they should do the right thing in recent versions
Dec 13 22:28:59 <Crofton|work> reent is 4.6
Dec 13 22:30:14 <Sharpyuk> I'm connected to the device using putty, and can just see CCCCCCCC
Dec 13 22:30:23 <aholler> _av500_: i'm just here to ask about fosdem. any suggests for a hotel?
Dec 13 22:31:27 <mru> aholler: the st nicolas was reasonable last year
Dec 13 22:31:48 <Crofton|work> hmm
Dec 13 22:31:52 <Crofton|work> I need to make up my mind
Dec 13 22:32:01 <Crofton|work> about going to .eu twice in 6 weeks
Dec 13 22:32:47 <Sharpyuk> what is everyone else using to write code on the bone?
Dec 13 22:32:51 <Crofton|work> mru by recent is 4.5 good enough is you refer to 4.6?
Dec 13 22:32:57 <Crofton|work> vi :)
Dec 13 22:33:11 <Sharpyuk> ok, that's hardcore!
Dec 13 22:33:22 <Crofton|work> we are, thank you :)
Dec 13 22:33:28 <Sharpyuk> I'm new to this, and was looking at the starterware to get some examples
Dec 13 22:33:35 <mru> don't remember when they were properly done for arm
Dec 13 22:33:37 <Sharpyuk> the other issue is that I'm using windows
Dec 13 22:34:32 <easyat> Is the standard USB port powered or just the mini one?
Dec 13 22:34:44 <Sharpyuk> it's the mini usb
Dec 13 22:35:28 <easyat> ahh
Dec 13 22:35:45 <easyat> so thats probably why when I connect a keyboard/mouse to the standard USB I'm not getting power?
Dec 13 22:36:49 <easyat> or do you mean I can only provide power to the board through the mini-usb
Dec 13 22:37:04 <_av500_> easyat: what board?
Dec 13 22:37:26 <easyat> beagleboard c5
Dec 13 22:38:08 <aholler> mru: thanks, looks nice
Dec 13 22:38:46 <_av500_> easyat: the EHCI is HS only
Dec 13 22:38:53 <_av500_> so for mouse+kbd you need a hub
Dec 13 22:39:04 <_av500_> you should see them being powered but not supported
Dec 13 22:39:32 <easyat> interesting
Dec 13 22:39:56 <Sharpyuk> does anyone have any example code for uart on the beaglebone ?
Dec 13 22:40:06 <_av500_> any linux uart code
Dec 13 22:40:34 <easyat> Do you have a suggestion for a hub that can power the beagleboard also?
Dec 13 22:40:34 <Sharpyuk> excellent, thanks
Dec 13 22:41:13 <prpplague> Russ: re
Dec 13 22:41:20 <Russ> yo
Dec 13 22:41:25 <prpplague> Russ: hehe did you pull koen gerber files for review?
Dec 13 22:41:27 <_av500_> easyat: get a power supply
Dec 13 22:41:33 <_av500_> a hub only provides 500mA
Dec 13 22:41:42 <Russ> haven't gotten a chance to
Dec 13 22:41:54 <easyat> ok, I have a seperate powersupply, it'd be nice not to have 2 power cords extending from my enclosure
Dec 13 22:42:47 <_av500_> a small price to pay
Dec 13 22:42:51 <easyat> true
Dec 13 22:43:01 <easyat> I didn't know if there was a nice alternative
Dec 13 22:43:06 <_av500_> and you can power the hub and the BB from the same power supply
Dec 13 22:43:09 <easyat> well thank you for the answers to a nub
Dec 13 22:43:12 <aholler> Crofton|work: twice, you are going to 28c3?
Dec 13 22:43:37 <easyat> what powersupply do you use?
Dec 13 22:43:45 <_av500_> its black :)
Dec 13 22:44:16 <easyat> you're the wrost :)
Dec 13 22:45:09 <aholler> use a bt-keyboard and a bt-dongle ;)
Dec 13 22:45:22 <aholler> that gives you network too
Dec 13 22:45:35 <Sharpyuk> so is it possible to use uart code without the whole linux install, I was hoping to use it like a microcontroller
Dec 13 22:45:42 <Crofton|work> no
Dec 13 22:45:45 <Crofton|work> wsr12
Dec 13 22:46:26 <_av500_> Sharpyuk: starterware
Dec 13 22:46:26 <aholler> and all in the cold, why don't they make conferences in the summer.
Dec 13 22:46:44 <jay6981> it's not hard to some bare metal uart routines
Dec 13 22:46:56 <Crofton|work> airfre is cheaper
Dec 13 22:46:58 <_av500_> aholler: because you dont want a room full of nerds at 35°
Dec 13 22:47:16 <_av500_> Sharpyuk: look at uboot, it does serial too
Dec 13 22:47:31 <jay6981> i don't know what starterware is. i just sat down with the TRM and wrote some ARM assembly
Dec 13 22:47:42 <XorA> _av500_: it was suggested by some debian folks that they ask Rightguard for sponsorship for events
Dec 13 22:47:52 <ds2> too much shiverring?
Dec 13 22:47:52 <aholler> _av500_: who needs rooms? a cafeteria is much better ;)
Dec 13 22:47:53 <Sharpyuk> yes - starterware, that's what I've downloaded.. along with CCS.  But it won't connect to the beaglebone, I get a nice error suggesting that I've got my finger on the reset button
Dec 13 22:48:32 <Sharpyuk> (which I haven't)
Dec 13 22:48:34 <Sharpyuk> lol
Dec 13 22:48:45 <_av500_> Sharpyuk: maybe somebody else's finger?
Dec 13 22:48:53 <Sharpyuk> :-)
Dec 13 22:48:56 <_av500_> or a toe?
Dec 13 22:48:57 <jay6981> what is CCS?
Dec 13 22:48:57 <Sharpyuk> I checked that too
Dec 13 22:49:16 <_av500_> jay6981: code composter studio
Dec 13 22:49:48 <jay6981> oh… something like that seems like real luxury to me
Dec 13 22:50:03 <jay6981> there are a few times it would have been nice to be able to examine the PC though
Dec 13 22:50:19 <Sharpyuk> not really it doesn't work very well and isn't very intuative
Dec 13 22:50:26 <jay6981> hehe
Dec 13 22:51:27 <jay6981> i just wrote the simplest possible ASM program to print out characters on the uart3, "signed" it and named it MLO… it worked
Dec 13 22:52:02 <Sharpyuk> is it normal to see lots of CCCC when looking at the beaglebone via putty, without the sd card inserted?
Dec 13 22:52:53 <_av500_> no card no boot
Dec 13 22:53:07 <jay6981> Sharpyuk: probably… the boot rom tries to talk to on UART hoping you might send it a boot image
Dec 13 22:53:31 <jay6981> Sharpyuk: at least this is what happens in OMAP3 land… i dunno about bone
Dec 13 22:53:32 <Sharpyuk> I'm coming from the microcontroller world, and not used to having the whole linux OS installed
Dec 13 22:53:48 <jay6981> so you ought to be able to write a simple UART program
Dec 13 22:54:01 <Sharpyuk> was just going to write code from scratch..
Dec 13 22:54:14 <Sharpyuk> yeah that's not the main problem, suppose it's more the toolset
Dec 13 22:54:20 <ds2> you don't need much
Dec 13 22:54:30 <jay6981> oh… easy enough… just cross compile binutils and gcc
Dec 13 22:54:45 <jay6981> or rather make a cross binutils/gcc
Dec 13 22:54:49 <Sharpyuk> I'm used to PIC microcontroller, where you get nice GUI programming interface
Dec 13 22:54:58 <jay6981> another luxury :)
Dec 13 22:55:06 <Sharpyuk> lol
Dec 13 22:55:08 <jay6981> do yourself a favor and learn how to do it without any fancy tools 
Dec 13 22:55:25 <jay6981> it's a very liberating experience
Dec 13 22:55:29 <Sharpyuk> yeah, suppose that's good advice
Dec 13 22:55:43 <jay6981> do you know ARM instruction set?
Dec 13 22:55:57 <Sharpyuk> not yet, how hard can it be.. lol
Dec 13 22:55:58 <ds2> ewwwwwwww GUI
Dec 13 22:56:05 <aholler> start learning linux
Dec 13 22:56:10 <ds2> GUI's are crippling
Dec 13 22:56:25 <jay6981> there's some odd restrictions on immediate values that might confuse you
Dec 13 22:56:38 <Sharpyuk> I know the basics on linux, but there's much I need to learn
Dec 13 22:56:42 <jay6981> and the assembler error messages are nice and cryptic 
Dec 13 22:56:52 <Sharpyuk> aren't they always
Dec 13 22:57:18 <jay6981> get yourself an ARM ARM and start reading :)
Dec 13 22:57:46 <Sharpyuk> any recommendations?
Dec 13 22:58:16 <jay6981> well, the official ARM ARM is good, but this is a decent intro: http://www.coranac.com/tonc/text/asm.htm
Dec 13 22:59:01 <jay6981> is bone cortex a8?
Dec 13 22:59:10 <Sharpyuk> excellent, thanks for your help jay.. I'll start by reading some more..
Dec 13 22:59:14 <amossam> when enabling dss with parameters in uEnv.txt, does it means that part of RAM is unavailable to system?
Dec 13 22:59:17 <Sharpyuk> yeah cortex A8
Dec 13 22:59:22 <jay6981> cool, good luck
Dec 13 22:59:26 <Sharpyuk> lol
Dec 13 22:59:40 <Sharpyuk> cheers, I've no doubt I'll be back..
Dec 13 22:59:42 <Sharpyuk> :-)
Dec 13 23:00:53 <Sigmac> Hello
Dec 13 23:01:24 <Sigmac> So, I'm reasonably certain I bricked my Beagleboard.
Dec 13 23:01:47 <_av500_> congrats
Dec 13 23:01:52 <Sigmac> I've tried all the recovery techniques to no avail...with the exception of the USART method since I can't find the tools.
Dec 13 23:02:51 <Sigmac> Powers on, does nothing else. No lights blinking for SD card comms even when the "USER" button is held down
Dec 13 23:03:13 <easyat> is max .5 A not enough for the BB c5
Dec 13 23:03:46 <Sigmac> Is this indicative of hardware failure (ala I'm SOL) or is there some strange esoteric means of getting the xloader and uboot back on NAND
Dec 13 23:04:26 <_av500_> you dont need it in nand
Dec 13 23:04:29 <_av500_> boot from SD
Dec 13 23:04:33 <Sigmac> I know.
Dec 13 23:04:38 <Sigmac> It won't do that though.
Dec 13 23:04:38 <_av500_> by holding down the user button
Dec 13 23:04:43 <Sigmac> I know.
Dec 13 23:04:53 <_av500_> anything on the serial?
Dec 13 23:05:09 <_av500_> it should output something like 40T or so
Dec 13 23:05:25 <Sigmac> It's random ascII
Dec 13 23:05:52 <Sigmac> I'll check again
Dec 13 23:08:11 <Russ> ...baud?
Dec 13 23:08:25 <Sigmac> 115200.
Dec 13 23:08:37 <Sigmac> I'm not completely stupid.
Dec 13 23:09:10 <Sigmac> Now I've got nothing, not even random characters
Dec 13 23:10:14 <Sigmac> Ok, not I have nothing.
Dec 13 23:10:29 <Sigmac> and for some reason the OMAP gets really warm
Dec 13 23:11:14 <Sigmac> Wow, so I guess I fried the hardware.
Dec 13 23:11:18 <Sigmac> Somehow.
Dec 13 23:11:37 <_av500_> not good
Dec 13 23:13:23 <Sigmac> Well that's helpful.
Dec 13 23:13:47 <easyat> Where have you guys found USB - 5.5x2.1mm Y cables?
Dec 13 23:14:41 <Sigmac> I guess I can add that this started when I was running Ubuntu off an SD card and didn't turn it off before I removed the SD card
Dec 13 23:15:09 <aholler> unlikely
Dec 13 23:15:10 <_av500_> easyat: solder one yourslef
Dec 13 23:15:20 <easyat> that makes way too much sense
Dec 13 23:15:28 <_av500_> right, sorry
Dec 13 23:15:32 <Sigmac> Which I can't understand why that would essentially wipe all the firmware and render it completely useless
Dec 13 23:15:45 <_av500_> Sigmac: must be a new ubuntu feature....
Dec 13 23:15:52 <aholler> it's almost impossible to render it useless.
Dec 13 23:16:15 <Sigmac> _av500_, apparently
Dec 13 23:16:16 <aholler> if not with stuff like 12v or such
Dec 13 23:16:17 <_av500_> drink coaster, paperweight...
Dec 13 23:16:32 <Sigmac> That's just fantastic.
Dec 13 23:17:22 <Sigmac> So, no one experience anything similar to this?
Dec 13 23:17:38 <Sigmac> If all the firmware is wiped, is there anyway to recover it?
Dec 13 23:18:05 <Sigmac> JTAG?
Dec 13 23:18:11 <_av500_> no need
Dec 13 23:18:11 <aholler> you don't need firmware, you need some action on the serial
Dec 13 23:18:17 <_av500_> boot from serial or usb
Dec 13 23:18:20 <_av500_> or sd card
Dec 13 23:18:29 <Sigmac> SD card didn't work, neither did USB
Dec 13 23:18:37 <Sigmac> I can't find the tools online for serial
Dec 13 23:18:45 <Sigmac> so, that would be one way you could help me
Dec 13 23:19:09 <Sigmac> as far as booting from serial
Dec 13 23:19:24 <aholler> if you don't see some chars on the serial when turning the thing on, nothing will help you
Dec 13 23:19:34 <Sigmac> The links provided on the elinux.org beagleboard recovery page dont have anything
Dec 13 23:19:53 <Sigmac> I don't agree with that.
Dec 13 23:20:04 <Sigmac> Why does it need to print anything on serial?
Dec 13 23:20:09 <_av500_> it does
Dec 13 23:20:13 <_av500_> the ROM code does
Dec 13 23:21:08 <Sigmac> I just can't understand why pulling out an SD card running Ubuntu would change anything...
Dec 13 23:21:33 <aholler> maybe fingers on the wrong places
Dec 13 23:21:48 <Sigmac> side of the board?
Dec 13 23:22:27 <Sigmac> it's on a static mat
Dec 13 23:23:42 <aholler> one of those which conduct?
Dec 13 23:24:00 <aholler> would explain the heat ;)
Dec 13 23:24:11 <Sigmac> well, it's on standoffs
Dec 13 23:24:26 <Sigmac> the temperature was just measured with a contactless IR thermometer
Dec 13 23:24:43 <Sigmac> also
Dec 13 23:24:56 <Sigmac> it is not conductive on the surface
Dec 13 23:25:02 <Sigmac> the surface is vinyl or something
Dec 13 23:25:07 <Sigmac> lol
Dec 13 23:27:29 <Sigmac> Well shit.
Dec 13 23:27:37 <Sigmac> I suppose this means new beagleboard.
Dec 13 23:27:54 <djlewis> that balloon is bookin
Dec 13 23:30:11 <aholler> maybe a towel will help, don't panic, sleep and try again
Dec 13 23:31:07 * _av500_ does not see how chastising oneself with a wet towel can help....
Dec 13 23:31:36 <aholler> ask the hitchhikers
Dec 13 23:33:34 <_av500_> the one in the trunk?
Dec 13 23:35:31 <aholler> I don't remember that there was a trunk
Dec 13 23:36:27 <aholler> but who knows, the question never got found ;)
Dec 13 23:37:50 <aholler> the vogons killed the earth before, just like in real life
Dec 13 23:57:59 <djlewis> later
Dec 14 00:22:46 <awozniak> NOTE: package linux-omap-psp-2.6.32-r113b+gitr5fc29e7b2a76a64a739f857858ef0b98294aa155: task do_unpack: Started
Dec 14 00:22:46 <awozniak> ERROR: Function 'Unpack failure for URL: 'file://configs/*'.
Dec 14 01:40:23 <xenland> I have a piezo buzzer where do I put that into the beaglebone if i want to send tones to it?
Dec 14 01:42:48 <viggi_> hello
Dec 14 02:11:12 <joelagnel> xenland, you can use the ADC
Dec 14 02:11:24 <joelagnel> latest angstrom images have ADC functionality
Dec 14 02:11:34 <joelagnel> you might have to amplify the signal from your buzzer
Dec 14 02:14:29 <ds2> arrrggggg. SGX on the 3730 is f'ed
Dec 14 02:14:33 <xenland> I have basic knowledge of electronics. I have a huge background in programming tho. So forgive me when i ask "What is ADC?"
Dec 14 02:14:55 <xenland> (I've messed around with the Arduino mega alot)
Dec 14 02:15:51 <xenland> @joelangnel
Dec 14 02:16:16 <dsoto> xenland: out of curiosity, what distro are you running on your beaglebone?
Dec 14 02:16:23 <xenland> Angstrom
Dec 14 02:17:09 <joelagnel> xenland, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog-to-digital_converter
Dec 14 02:18:12 <xenland> Hmm seems the beaglebone is a lot more complex then i imagined. I can't just use the digital pins on the beaglebone by them selves or this AD/DC converter is required?
Dec 14 02:18:34 <xenland> (just for testing purposes)
Dec 14 02:18:43 <joelagnel> the beaglebone's SoC (am335) comes with an ADC allowing you to interface devices like sensors, touch screen etc.
Dec 14 02:19:15 <joelagnel> no, the ADC is built in
Dec 14 02:19:43 <xenland> Oh! Nice
Dec 14 02:20:17 <xenland> So i should look at the spec sheet for the ADC then and just plug in my pizeo in the found pins?
Dec 14 02:21:31 <joelagnel> The ADCs are 0-1.8v so like I was saying you might need additional circuitry depending on your design
Dec 14 02:21:49 <joelagnel> *ADC is
Dec 14 02:23:50 * xenland thinking hes way over his head
Dec 14 02:24:18 <joelagnel> then start with something simple or spend some time reading :)
Dec 14 02:24:28 <joelagnel> bbl
Dec 14 02:31:23 <xenland> I'm just trying to find the right direction on interfacing Angrstrom Linux to play sounds or music on a non-amplified pezio or more accurately a a speaker i got from a soddering kit
Dec 14 02:33:34 <xenland> yeah I'll just read more on the subject thanks mate
Dec 14 02:39:42 <Deslok_work> evening folks
Dec 14 02:40:50 <xenland> Ello there mate
Dec 14 02:59:42 <dhut> hi anybody has problem booting BB xm with Angstrom 2009 image?
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Dec 14 03:00:26 <dhut> hi
Dec 14 03:01:54 <Dhut_> hi
Dec 14 03:02:35 <Dhut_> BB XM users
Dec 14 03:07:49 <Dhut_> hello anybody use here BB Xm with angstrom ?
Dec 14 03:08:28 <zandubalm123> whats BB XM?
Dec 14 03:08:38 <zandubalm123> just kidding :)
Dec 14 03:12:02 <Dhut_> hey have used angstrom on Beagle board xm
Dec 14 03:12:03 <Dhut_> ?
Dec 14 05:04:55 <ds2> Hmmm
Dec 14 05:12:13 <ka6sox> whut now?
Dec 14 05:13:12 <ds2> just finding the 3730 broq
Dec 14 05:13:48 <ds2> maybe I should schedule a vacation to SCALEX
Dec 14 05:20:46 <TheBurrito> does wpa_supplicant not reside in the wireless-tools package??
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Dec 14 08:40:05 <tasslehoff> When I build a new u-boot with SPL, do I still need an MLO from someplace?
Dec 14 08:44:40 <tomba> yes. the "someplace" is the u-boot sources. it builds both MLO and u-boot.img from the same sources.
Dec 14 08:51:02 <tasslehoff> tomba: that's what I thought, but I think my build only spit out u-boot.img. 
Dec 14 08:56:01 <tasslehoff> would help if I remembered to add the SPL-patch I created...
Dec 14 08:56:14 <tomba> at least linaro's stable u-boot worked for me, and built MLO and u-boot.img
Dec 14 08:56:45 <amossam> spl?
Dec 14 09:00:10 <_av500_> the new xloader
Dec 14 09:00:52 <amossam> what's the difference? is it related to spl on android phones?
Dec 14 09:01:20 <_av500_> what is spl on android phones?
Dec 14 09:01:50 <ynezz> what is android?
Dec 14 09:01:58 <_av500_> what is?
Dec 14 09:02:01 <amossam> ???
Dec 14 09:02:30 <ynezz> almost friday...
Dec 14 09:02:39 <_av500_> eternal friday
Dec 14 09:05:12 <ynezz> well, let's hope for EU disintegration and just 3 day work week, friday=today, hooray!
Dec 14 09:05:16 <amossam> @_av500_: i finnaly got ~17 mb/s read rate
Dec 14 09:55:37 <[IDC]Dragon_> _av500_, amossam got 17mb/s doing what?
Dec 14 09:55:54 <[IDC]Dragon_> ah, amossam is back
Dec 14 09:56:07 <av500> [IDC]Dragon_: what what?
Dec 14 09:56:20 <[IDC]Dragon_> see 10:00
Dec 14 09:58:53 <dm8tbr> what is he going to say in 7 minutes?
Dec 14 10:00:08 * amossam read speed on class 10 microSD card
Dec 14 10:00:38 <[IDC]Dragon_> ok, thx
Dec 14 10:01:19 <[IDC]Dragon_> not my current field, i'm looking at my NAND read bandwidth, suspect it's too low
Dec 14 10:01:27 <amossam> but on 2.6.32 kernel, on 3.0.8 i got around 9 mb/s
Dec 14 10:02:20 <reisei> 2.6.32 Kernel hangs on "booting...." what can be the reason? 
Dec 14 10:02:35 <av500> dev/ttyO2
Dec 14 10:02:47 <reisei> av500: it's an old kernel...
Dec 14 10:02:58 <av500> S2 then
Dec 14 10:03:00 <reisei> av500: there're still ttyS2
Dec 14 10:04:11 <reisei> it's ok with that, I think... So, there is no other reasons?
Dec 14 10:09:16 <reisei> av500: it's ttyS2 in bootargs, so...
Dec 14 10:34:22 <av500> tomba: ping
Dec 14 10:34:32 <av500> mgr->apply can not be called from interrupt context any more?
Dec 14 10:39:23 <tomba> any more meaning the mainline or dss master branch?
Dec 14 10:39:38 <tomba> but for both cases, it can be called from interrupt context.
Dec 14 10:39:42 <av500> dispc_runtime_get
Dec 14 10:39:53 <av500> this takes a mutex
Dec 14 10:39:55 <av500> no?
Dec 14 10:40:55 <av500> tomba: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HFhauM8d
Dec 14 10:41:09 <av500> dsscomp_isr is an isr handler
Dec 14 10:41:14 <av500> that tries to update dss
Dec 14 10:41:20 <tomba> hmm right, there's that in mainline. yes, if it takes a mutex it doesn't work. so I stand corrected. apply can be called from interrupt context in dss master branch, not in mainline version.
Dec 14 10:41:41 <av500> ok, so we need to port some stuff
Dec 14 10:42:19 <tomba> hmm... that problem wasn't there before, as pm_runtime wasn't in use. so it's a regression. although as I said, will be fixed in next merge window
Dec 14 10:42:55 <av500> tomba: would you be able to point out what to pick?
Dec 14 10:43:16 <arc_mat> av500: maybe we can change that mutex to a spinlock
Dec 14 10:43:26 <arc_mat> av500: if it only protects that counter variable ...
Dec 14 10:44:27 <arc_mat> av500: looks like. 
Dec 14 10:44:36 <tomba> av500: hmm actually... pm_runtime_get_sync may be called from interrupt context if pm_runtime_irq_safe() is used. but it's currently not used.
Dec 14 10:45:08 <tomba> so perhaps you should try that first. it may be easier fix than taking ~60 patches from the dss tree...
Dec 14 10:45:10 <arc_mat> av500: it's only used in the dispc_runtime_get/put, and it only protects a counter. so a spinlock will do
Dec 14 10:45:58 <av500> arc_mat: right, save/restore is only around count 0
Dec 14 10:46:01 <mru> if it's just a simple counter, won't a simple atomic update on the counter work?
Dec 14 10:46:20 <arc_mat> exactly
Dec 14 10:46:31 <mru> so what's the lock for?
Dec 14 10:46:40 <tomba> using pm_runtime_irq_safe() somewhere in omap_dispchw_probe() should fix the problem
Dec 14 10:47:21 <tomba> I think the mutex also protects the pm callbacks, done from pm_runtime_get. (disclaimer: haven't read the code)
Dec 14 10:48:16 <tomba> or are we talking about something else? does your code have mutex in dispc_runtime_get?
Dec 14 10:48:56 <arc_mat> tomba: yes
Dec 14 10:49:15 <arc_mat> tomba: totally useless, an atomic_t counter would have been sufficient
Dec 14 10:49:17 <tomba> oh. well. then you're on your own =). what's counter for?
Dec 14 10:49:39 <av500> sec
Dec 14 10:49:43 <arc_mat> tomba: it just gates a call to a context save/restore function, if the module was in off
Dec 14 10:49:44 <tomba> but even without the mutex, you still have the problem of pm_runtime_get(). for that, the pm_runtime_irq_safe() should help.
Dec 14 10:50:06 <av500> tomba: http://pastebin.com/Z3SwCJdc
Dec 14 10:50:24 <av500> git blame blames it on you :)
Dec 14 10:50:58 <tomba> must be faked, the mainline doesn't have code like that... ;)
Dec 14 10:51:22 <av500> 12c7c091e92053f1dc84b059159a6f0b3fd9d82e
Dec 14 10:51:28 <av500> Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
Dec 14 10:51:32 <av500> Fri May 27 10:52:19 2011 +0300
Dec 14 10:51:58 <tomba> and it's not protecting just the counter. if you change it to an atomic, it may bug.
Dec 14 10:52:07 <av500> OMAP: DSS2: Use PM runtime & HWMOD support
Dec 14 10:53:02 <tomba> yes, yes, it was some old test version =). never in mainline, as it wasn't good.
Dec 14 10:53:14 <av500> ok ok
Dec 14 10:54:35 <tomba> but anyway, you can't use an atomic for that. if you use an atomic, the thread that is enabling the dispc could still be executing, while another thread comes by and thinks the dispc is already enabled. which it isn't. -> crash.
Dec 14 10:55:10 <arc_mat> tomba: but all the code that is executed in that function is conditional to runtime_count == 0...
Dec 14 10:56:26 <mru> yes, but all that code might have to appear to other threads to execute atomically
Dec 14 10:57:03 <tomba> arc_mat: thread 1 goes and increases the count, and starts enabling the dispc. but it yields right after, say, DSSDBG. then another thread comes, sees count > 0, and exits, presuming dispc is enabled. but it's not. and first register access crashes.
Dec 14 10:57:28 <arc_mat> tomba: ok, I understand...
Dec 14 10:58:01 <av500> arc_mat: the isr would be pretty sure that dss is enabled, no?
Dec 14 10:58:50 <arc_mat> av500: in our case, the occurrence of an irq would somehow grant that the dss is not off ;)
Dec 14 11:00:03 <av500> arc_mat: then lets just poke the BA0 value directly in the ISR :)
Dec 14 11:00:13 <arc_mat> av500: as always ;)
Dec 14 11:00:27 * av500 evil laugh
Dec 14 11:01:28 * arc_mat afraid of races and preemtions when dss turns off ...
Dec 14 11:05:31 <tomba> check if in atomic context, and if so, skip the dispc_runtime_get in apply...
Dec 14 11:06:54 <av500> arc_mat: ^^
Dec 14 11:07:41 <arc_mat> or a threaded isr ...
Dec 14 11:08:04 <av500> but I need my nanosecond video accuracy!!!!
Dec 14 11:08:55 <arc_mat> well, yes, but it's 40 million nanoseconds or so..
Dec 14 11:09:09 <av500> and not a single one more!!!
Dec 14 11:27:56 <arc_mat> tomba: mainline only has a pm_runtime_get/put in dispc_runtime_get/put. How is the context save/restore handled?
Dec 14 11:29:27 <arc_mat> tomba: nevermind, I spotted it. 
Dec 14 11:32:13 <arc_mat> tomba: hmm, pm_ops? wouldn't that also work on a 3.0 kernel?
Dec 14 11:34:03 <arc_mat> tomba: because it looks like a much saner approach than hacking around with "in_atomic()" and stuff...
Dec 14 11:35:28 <tomba> arc_mat: there are problems with how the hwmod is setup in the older kernels. that's why I made the version you are using now. but then we got the hwmod stuff fixed for mainline and I didn't have to push the hacky dss version to mainline at all.
Dec 14 12:04:17 <Crofton|work> awesome, this article has new life via twitter!
Dec 14 12:04:18 <Crofton|work> http://www.rimmell.com/bbc/news.htm
Dec 14 12:10:38 <ynezz> uh oh
Dec 14 12:12:01 <mru> good one
Dec 14 12:31:58 <Crofton|work> I retweeted it last week
Dec 14 12:32:05 <Crofton|work> and someone else retweeted this morning
Dec 14 12:32:37 <av500> the tweets are abounding
Dec 14 12:39:09 <Crofton|work> I do belie the US is going the way of Belgium
Dec 14 12:39:46 <av500> having good beer?
Dec 14 12:39:50 <Crofton|work> no
Dec 14 12:39:58 <av500> good fries?
Dec 14 12:40:13 <Crofton|work> no government dueto childish people who have to get their own way
Dec 14 12:41:26 <mru> doesn't that describe any govt?
Dec 14 12:42:31 <ynezz> just pick some random people on the streets, nobody will notice the change anyway...
Dec 14 12:42:47 <mru> ynezz: that's called an "election"
Dec 14 12:43:02 <ynezz> then make it random selection
Dec 14 12:43:10 <mru> I thought it already was
Dec 14 12:44:58 <arc_mat> Crofton|work: well, if you wanted to contact an alien species or make them know you are aware of them, and the only clue were tv broadcasts, maybe a good idea is to just replay the signal into their general direction ;)
Dec 14 12:46:52 <mru> and then there's http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/
Dec 14 12:47:23 <arc_mat> well I was more thinking about http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/
Dec 14 12:49:10 <av500> in fight between Jodie and Sigourney, who would win?
Dec 14 12:49:44 <mru> does it matter?
Dec 14 12:50:07 <av500> you just want to watch?
Dec 14 12:52:20 <LeslieLi> Hi, I'm trying rowboat android 4.0 on beagle xm, after I created system on sd card via the script and boot it, kernel always report Failed to execute /init.  Attempting defaults...
Dec 14 12:52:20 <LeslieLi> ??
Dec 14 12:52:27 <LeslieLi> any on knows this issue?
Dec 14 13:03:52 <av500> koen: ping
Dec 14 13:22:11 <njd> Hi - can anyone tell me what it means when an XM displays "60" on serial console rather than booting? I've tried different SD cards and pressing user button etc
Dec 14 13:27:13 <mru> it means it hates your sd card
Dec 14 13:27:53 <njd> it was working fine this morning up until it kernel panicked
Dec 14 13:28:14 <njd> and I've tried making a new SD card, which it doesn't like either
Dec 14 13:35:00 <njd> and oddly, it's only giving 1V rather than 1.8V on pin 1 of the expansion connector
Dec 14 13:36:31 <mru> do you have something connected?
Dec 14 13:36:34 <mru> try removing it
Dec 14 13:36:50 <njd> Not any more
Dec 14 13:37:18 <njd> I did have a test board hooked up via i2c
Dec 14 13:43:32 <av500> ...2.what are files we much boot
Dec 14 13:43:40 <av500> I boot linux much
Dec 14 14:35:44 <arcanescu_> whilst running a gstreamer pipeline with gst-launch how can i check the cpu usage?  or is this question more suited to #gstreamer?
Dec 14 14:35:50 <av500> top
Dec 14 14:36:07 <arcanescu_> top?
Dec 14 14:36:11 <av500> top
Dec 14 14:36:17 <arcanescu_> bottom?
Dec 14 14:36:29 <arcanescu_> explain top?
Dec 14 14:36:32 <av500> bash: bottom: command not found
Dec 14 14:37:07 <av500> man top
Dec 14 14:37:08 <arcanescu_> but the pipeline is already holding the terminal
Dec 14 14:37:19 <arcanescu_> this is a dm365 btw
Dec 14 14:37:32 <av500> start it with &
Dec 14 14:37:37 <av500> so it runs in background
Dec 14 14:37:50 <arcanescu_> so &gst-launch ? 
Dec 14 14:37:56 <av500> at the end
Dec 14 14:38:14 <arcanescu_> as much as i love the power of linux i hate that ive been confined to ctrl alt del all this time 
Dec 14 14:38:18 <arcanescu_> fml
Dec 14 14:38:20 <av500> ?
Dec 14 14:38:36 <arcanescu_> you know windows ctrl alt del -> task manager
Dec 14 14:38:41 <arcanescu_> cpu usage
Dec 14 14:39:02 <arcanescu_> so its very embarassing not knowing 'top'
Dec 14 14:40:20 <mru> you can also have more than one terminal...
Dec 14 14:40:35 <arcanescu_> on the 365?
Dec 14 14:40:39 <av500> on linux
Dec 14 14:40:39 <mru> on anything
Dec 14 14:40:50 <arcanescu_> that wud be nice
Dec 14 14:41:15 <mru> is that an arm926?
Dec 14 14:41:20 <av500> yes
Dec 14 14:41:26 <av500> +hw accels
Dec 14 14:41:30 <mru> so ~400MHz?
Dec 14 14:41:40 <av500> yes
Dec 14 14:41:51 <mru> and 128MB ram or so?
Dec 14 14:42:19 <av500> mru: that much? you are killing the company!
Dec 14 14:42:35 <arcanescu_> yes you are
Dec 14 14:42:39 <mru> 64?
Dec 14 14:42:45 <arcanescu_> 32
Dec 14 14:42:50 <mru> ok
Dec 14 14:42:57 <mru> still plenty for a dozen ssh sessions
Dec 14 14:43:02 <av500> arcanescu_: please come work here!!! :)
Dec 14 14:43:18 <arcanescu_> av500: sure where where?
Dec 14 14:43:40 <arcanescu_> at this rate ill soon be out a job so good on you
Dec 14 15:16:35 <amossam> does anyone have experince with crossdev in funtoo/gentoo? i'm having problems with TLS support...
Dec 14 15:18:20 <BlInK311> hey guys.  im making a converter board for the LI-VI365 which uses the TVP5146.  Could someone tell me which digital outputs I need to use?  C or Y?
Dec 14 15:21:05 <BlInK311> Im using the composite input that goes into VI_2_B if that helps
Dec 14 15:22:30 <BlInK311> I know im asking alot, but any help would be greatly appreciated
Dec 14 17:36:34 <tholm> beagleboard-xm recognizes 16GB microSD?
Dec 14 17:41:18 <tholm> beagleboard-xm recognizes 16GB microSD?
Dec 14 18:15:32 <BlInK311> are the digital input pins on the camera connector 1.8v or 3.3v?
Dec 14 18:16:52 <easyat> multimeter?
Dec 14 18:17:33 <easyat> Maybe its in the spec manual
Dec 14 18:19:58 <easyat> If I making my own Y-Cable to power the board, I would think I just wire the USB VCC and GND in parallell, right? and leave the data lines open?
Dec 14 18:45:27 <aholler> friday will become funny here, windspeeds up to 10.
Dec 14 18:50:54 <Crofton|work> any bets on this sd card booting and working well?
Dec 14 18:50:55 <Crofton|work> http://pastebin.com/AWyzKmFL
Dec 14 18:50:55 <djlewis> Crofton|work: is your balloon coming down in the Mediterranean today?
Dec 14 18:51:01 <Crofton|work> not mine
Dec 14 18:51:05 <Crofton|work> somone I know
Dec 14 18:51:05 <djlewis> oh
Dec 14 18:51:10 <Crofton|work> it came down this morning
Dec 14 18:55:15 <aholler> anyone with a battery tried 3.1.5?
Dec 14 18:55:17 <aholler> beagle ~ # hwclock -w
Dec 14 18:55:17 <aholler> select() to /dev/rtc0 to wait for clock tick timed out
Dec 14 18:57:56 <aholler> hmm, oh, I just see I have the same with 3.1.2 and haven't discovered it until now. ;)
Dec 14 18:58:36 <mru> yeah, it's been like that for a while
Dec 14 18:59:08 <aholler> maybe it's what I've already had some time ago, that one pin ...
Dec 14 18:59:54 <aholler> And I just discovered it, because the battery was empty
Dec 14 19:00:07 <mru> Crofton|work: that could work
Dec 14 19:00:17 <mru> provided you don't have a sector 63 mlo on there...
Dec 14 19:01:48 <Crofton|work> I bet those are getting harder to find ....
Dec 14 19:04:41 <aholler> hmm, the patch for msecure is still in omap3_beagle_init()
Dec 14 19:09:34 <arc_mat> msecure?
Dec 14 19:09:58 <aholler> yes, if the pin is not high, you can'tsettheclock
Dec 14 19:10:06 <arc_mat> aholler: yes, but what about it?
Dec 14 19:10:11 <aholler> uups, have to clean my keyboard ;)
Dec 14 19:10:47 <aholler> arc_mat: i'm getting an error trying to set the clock. and it behaves the same as when that pin is not set
Dec 14 19:10:57 <aholler> just digging through  debugfs
Dec 14 19:11:54 <arc_mat> aholler: well if that patch was removed, it'd have to be replaced by something inside the twl rtc driver itself. unless youre on a HS device
Dec 14 19:12:05 <aholler> the patch is still inside
Dec 14 19:12:39 <aholler> but maybe something switches the mux after the init
Dec 14 19:13:00 <aholler> have forgotten the number of the pin, have to search ;)
Dec 14 19:13:30 <arc_mat> maybe something switched the pad to the original function...
Dec 14 19:13:40 <arc_mat> that would be odd
Dec 14 19:13:47 <aholler> yes, and thats usb2 if I remember correctly
Dec 14 19:13:54 <aholler> no, usb1 
Dec 14 19:14:00 <aholler> if you start at 0
Dec 14 19:15:06 <arc_mat> but plausible, if some "default" multiplexing is being installed by the usb init...
Dec 14 19:16:09 <aholler> yes, I currently assume that. The problem with that stuff is, that you don't recognise it until the battery is empty
Dec 14 19:16:17 <arc_mat> ;)
Dec 14 19:16:22 <aholler> because you still can read the clock if it runs
Dec 14 19:16:39 <aholler> but when the battery is empty, it doesn't run and you can't start it
Dec 14 19:16:53 <aholler> (or set it)
Dec 14 19:17:02 <arc_mat> there should be something like /debug/omap_mux, no?
Dec 14 19:17:09 <arc_mat> depending on where you mount debugfs
Dec 14 19:17:26 <aholler> just found the number, 22 ;)
Dec 14 19:22:32 <aholler> that was the thread: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2011-June/052493.html
Dec 14 19:24:00 <aholler> maybe that gpio-request instead of change the mux is better. That might forbid to change the mux afterwards, don't know. ;)
Dec 14 19:24:14 <aholler> let me try it ;)
Dec 14 19:26:26 <arc_mat> aholler: hmm, as far as I know the gpio request is independent of pad muxing
Dec 14 19:26:56 <arc_mat> aholler: especially since some gpios can be on multiple pads
Dec 14 19:27:25 <aholler> I can't remember, testing it faster than reading the TRM (again) ;)
Dec 14 19:27:32 <aholler> +is
Dec 14 19:27:47 <arc_mat> yes, it takes some time to load into the viewer, indeed
Dec 14 19:30:26 <arc_mat> aholler: by the way the original patch using only the padmux was incorrect
Dec 14 19:31:31 <aholler> it worked here
Dec 14 19:32:00 <aholler> and it is still inside the kernel ;)
Dec 14 19:32:14 <arc_mat> PIN_OFF_OUTPUT_HIGH is an off-mode override.
Dec 14 19:32:56 <arc_mat> it's not active on normal operation, only when the chip goes into suspend.
Dec 14 19:34:12 <arc_mat> if you want it high, you switch the pad to safe mode and activate the internal pull up
Dec 14 19:35:04 <aholler> I've copied that that pin_off_output_high from somewhere else ;)
Dec 14 19:35:26 <arc_mat> well sometimes reading the TRM is a good thing...
Dec 14 19:35:38 <aholler> not sure where I've found that. but gpio_request_one(22, GPIOF_OUT_INIT_HIGH, "msecure");
Dec 14 19:35:45 <aholler> should set it to high
Dec 14 19:35:55 <aholler> regardless of the mux, or not?
Dec 14 19:35:56 <arc_mat> yup
Dec 14 19:36:03 <djlewis> Crofton|work: aced my tech and general tests recently and am now a general
Dec 14 19:36:06 <arc_mat> aeh, not regardless of the mux
Dec 14 19:36:30 <arc_mat> if the pad is not switched to gpio mode, that line does nothing
Dec 14 19:36:56 <aholler> I'm just rebooting ;)
Dec 14 19:37:02 <BlInK311> are the camera input pins 1.8v or 3.3v?  anyone know?
Dec 14 19:37:51 <ds2> put 3.3V and find out if smoke comes out?
Dec 14 19:38:06 <arc_mat> transistors die silently ...
Dec 14 19:38:10 <arc_mat> most of the time
Dec 14 19:38:57 <arc_mat> aholler: the omap_mux_init_signal("gpio_22"), are you sure it's correct?
Dec 14 19:39:01 <ds2> try it in case you got one that screams 
Dec 14 19:39:10 <djlewis> the reference manual on beagleboard.org knows
Dec 14 19:39:50 <aholler> arc_mat: using my second patch (in the url) instead doesn't help. and gpio in debugfs says now the following: gpio-22  (msecure             ) out hi
Dec 14 19:39:59 <aholler> don't know if I can trust that ;)
Dec 14 19:40:20 <arc_mat> aholler: at least the gpio believes that it's high
Dec 14 19:40:43 <arc_mat> what does omap_mux/board/core say?
Dec 14 19:41:11 <TheBurrito> Greetings all.
Dec 14 19:41:34 <aholler> just names, no numbers, have to look up which name that is :/
Dec 14 19:41:48 <TheBurrito> involuntary power cycling: pretty much only caused by voltage / power issue?
Dec 14 19:44:16 <arc_mat> aholler: omap_mux/etk_d8 ?
Dec 14 19:44:21 <djlewis> i'd say power issue, my dog has me in that mode lately, getting up all hours to go outside..
Dec 14 19:44:51 <NulL``> Whats your supply wattage?
Dec 14 19:44:55 <aholler> arc_mat: OMAP3_MUX(ETK_D8, OMAP_PIN_OUTPUT | OMAP_PIN_OFF_OUTPUT_HIGH | OMAP_MUX_MODE4)
Dec 14 19:45:05 <TheBurrito> 7volts 2A going through a 7805
Dec 14 19:45:20 <aholler> hmm now lets look whats mode4 ;)
Dec 14 19:45:27 <ds2> stock 7805's do not put out 2A
Dec 14 19:45:28 <arc_mat> aholler: gpio, so it's correct
Dec 14 19:45:32 <ds2> is this a TO-3 cased 7805?
Dec 14 19:45:34 <TheBurrito> but I was also having problems with a 5W plugged right into the board
Dec 14 19:45:41 <TheBurrito> indeed
Dec 14 19:45:48 <aholler> arc_mat: ah, ok, than something else killed the clock
Dec 14 19:46:16 <ds2> @2A, I'd check to see if you are having problem with the thermal limit going off
Dec 14 19:46:30 <TheBurrito> heh. yeah I just stuck my finger on the tab... ouch.
Dec 14 19:46:45 <ds2> tab?!
Dec 14 19:46:53 <TheBurrito> of the 7805
Dec 14 19:47:04 <ds2> if you are using a TO220 7805, that isn't going to give you 2A
Dec 14 19:47:07 <arc_mat> aholler: there is one thing I remember about gpios and debugfs, which is that you should always add OMAP_PIN_INPUT to the pad mux, because otherwise you cannot actually sense if the pin is going high or not
Dec 14 19:47:13 <TheBurrito> oh right. to220
Dec 14 19:47:24 <TheBurrito> I'm a CS guy, not a CE guy :)
Dec 14 19:47:31 <ds2> even with a  TO-3 cased one, you are going to need a huge heat sink to dissipiate 4W
Dec 14 19:47:45 <arc_mat> aholler: it just adds a little additional power consumption, because of enabling the input circuit of the iopad
Dec 14 19:48:13 <aholler> arc_mat: sorry, I don't understand, it's some time ago, I've last played with the beagle. ;)
Dec 14 19:48:19 <ds2> it is probally thermal limiting and dropping the voltage
Dec 14 19:48:28 <arc_mat> aholler: what if you just forgot to compile the driver? just a wild guess ...
Dec 14 19:48:43 <djlewis> ds2: happens to me at 4 in the morning :(
Dec 14 19:48:50 <TheBurrito> yeah. I didn't think to check the heat on it. The mark on my finger now cements that fact.
Dec 14 19:48:57 <ds2> djlewis: eh?
Dec 14 19:49:13 <djlewis> see my first response to TheBurrito
Dec 14 19:49:27 <ds2> TheBurrito: linear regulators are simple but burn power (changes it into heat)
Dec 14 19:49:36 <arc_mat> oh yes...
Dec 14 19:49:49 <aholler> arc_mat: http://fpaste.org/ooK4/
Dec 14 19:49:51 <ds2> switcher's are a little more complex but do not burn power except for parasitic resistances or switch resistance
Dec 14 19:49:57 <arc_mat> I wasted a number of 7505's until I understood that
Dec 14 19:49:58 <TheBurrito> ds2: I'm aware. With the BB running off a USB port, I didn't think a TO220 7805 would have an issue
Dec 14 19:50:02 * djlewis finds usb hub power wall warts work well with beagleboard
Dec 14 19:50:13 <ds2> TheBurrito: is this an xM?
Dec 14 19:50:21 <aholler> hmm, reading the dmesg it looks like chaos ;)
Dec 14 19:50:25 <TheBurrito> ds2: C4
Dec 14 19:50:27 <ds2> arc_mat: hehe... learn with a 78L05
Dec 14 19:50:41 <TheBurrito> djlewis: this is a mobile robot
Dec 14 19:50:46 <ds2> TheBurrito: that should top out at about 500mA unless you have an expansion board
Dec 14 19:50:57 <ds2> 0.500A is still 1W 
Dec 14 19:50:58 <djlewis> get a long extension cord ;)
Dec 14 19:51:18 <ds2> clipping a large heat sink on it with thermal goo should work
Dec 14 19:51:22 <djlewis> TheBurrito: even more important to not use the linear regulators then
Dec 14 19:51:24 <TheBurrito> djlewis: competition states no tethering :-P
Dec 14 19:51:30 <ds2> large is like a slab of 6x6 copper
Dec 14 19:51:36 <TheBurrito> djlewis: yeah, I'll see what else I can find
Dec 14 19:51:38 <arc_mat> aholler: whatever the problem, it's not msecure
Dec 14 19:51:48 <djlewis> Use voltage stepdown regulator, less wasted power
Dec 14 19:51:52 <aholler> seems the clock works but hwclock can't set it or whatever
Dec 14 19:52:04 <arc_mat> line 8
Dec 14 19:52:04 <ds2> bbl
Dec 14 19:52:04 <aholler> don't understand that currently
Dec 14 19:52:36 <arc_mat> I think hwclock has an issue, it waits for a clock tick and the driver doesn't seem to supply that
Dec 14 19:52:37 <TheBurrito> I should be fine if I get a second 7805 to separately power usb stuffs.
Dec 14 19:52:41 <djlewis> TheBurrito: all that heat is wasted power from your battery
Dec 14 19:53:09 <TheBurrito> djlewis: it was a matter of convenience of materials on hand
Dec 14 19:53:16 <mru> use to power a steam turbine and generate electricity
Dec 14 19:53:30 <djlewis> well, if you have power to spare then it is not relevant
Dec 14 19:53:48 <BlInK311> djlewis: ive looked through the bbxm reference manual as well as the dm3730 datasheet. Maybe I am missing it but I cant find it in either
Dec 14 19:54:07 <djlewis> all i/o to the processor is 1.8
Dec 14 19:54:29 <aholler> arc_mat: yes, I remember there were some changes in the clock-stuff when I've first searched for the bug with msecure beeing low. maybe they changed something more since then. ;)
Dec 14 19:54:31 <TheBurrito> mru: lawl
Dec 14 19:54:35 <BlInK311> ok. thank you.  
Dec 14 19:55:20 <mru> you'll have to pick a medium with a low boiling point of course
Dec 14 19:55:20 <arc_mat> aholler: well just downgrade the hwclock package ...
Dec 14 19:55:43 <arc_mat> aholler: or hack the driver into compliance with userspace
Dec 14 19:56:12 <arc_mat> aholler: strace hwclock -w to see what ioctls is does
Dec 14 19:56:49 <mru> pentane might do the trick
Dec 14 19:56:56 <mru> boiling point of 36 degrees
Dec 14 19:59:57 <arc_mat> aholler: I'm guessing that it tries to initiate a second-tick interrupt from the hwclock, which the twl rtc driver might not support
Dec 14 20:00:07 <aholler> arc_mat: not sure if I want to do that now, I already diged through that stuff half a year ago. ;)
Dec 14 20:00:53 <arc_mat> aholler: it might be as simple as returning the correct error code ;)
Dec 14 20:01:01 <aholler> and at least setting the clock seems to work, even if it complains about the select
Dec 14 20:02:24 <aholler> arc_mat: http://fpaste.org/47e2/
Dec 14 20:03:14 <arc_mat> aholler: RTC_UIE_ON
Dec 14 20:04:27 <arc_mat> it should return an error code on this one
Dec 14 20:04:39 <arc_mat> but it return 0, so hwclock believes that the function is available
Dec 14 20:04:48 <arc_mat> but the twl rtc doesn't feature update interrupts
Dec 14 20:04:51 <arc_mat> afaik
Dec 14 20:05:19 <arc_mat> aholler: gotta run, good luck with the stuff
Dec 14 20:05:42 <aholler> arc_mat: hmm, could be. maybe I will have a look at the code. thanks.
Dec 14 20:06:05 <aholler> I remember there was some emulation of that irq or similiar
Dec 14 20:06:17 <aholler> and they put it out, than in again
Dec 14 20:06:36 <aholler> and maybe now it's gone again and therefor it fails
Dec 14 20:08:39 <aholler> but at least it still works and just hwclock thinks it doesn't work ;)
Dec 14 20:09:46 <aholler> ah, and there are some patches for the rtc in the linux-omap-ml ;)
Dec 14 20:11:22 <aholler> hmm, dt-support
Dec 14 20:11:48 <tasslehoff> as rtc is a hot topic - anyone experienced it running too fast/slow? haven't looked into it yet, but got a bug report on it at work today.
Dec 14 20:12:54 <aholler> hmm, the rtc or the sysclock? I never checked if the rtc drifts.
Dec 14 20:13:14 <aholler> I've trusted the hw ;)
Dec 14 20:13:33 <mru> I had insane sysclock drift on a totally different machine once
Dec 14 20:13:38 <mru> never figured out what caused it
Dec 14 20:14:48 <aholler> had once such too on x86.
Dec 14 20:15:13 <tasslehoff> could be sysclock drift. isn't rtc set from the sysclock on shutdown (by default on angstrom)?
Dec 14 20:15:44 <aholler> I don't know, gentoo has a switch for that
Dec 14 20:15:48 <Nemesis][> To get a native build environment on the bb xM on Angstrom it's just you just need to intall the meta package task-native-sdk right?  Or am I missing something?  When I try to compile ld returns: /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s
Dec 14 20:16:28 <mru> shared libgcc is one of the worst ideas ever
Dec 14 20:21:35 <Nemesis][> Ok, just using -static-libgcc works..
Dec 14 20:25:06 <aholler> btw. does the tps on the beaglebone has an rtc so that one could use that with some small hw-changes?
Dec 14 20:26:15 <aholler> geralds answer was just a short no (in regard to rtc), no word if the tps has one ;)
Dec 14 20:46:23 <aholler> tasslehoff: in regard to drift, I've just have seen "rtc: Fix some bugs that allowed accumulating time drift in suspend/resume" in 3.1.5, maybe thats related
Dec 14 20:47:55 <_av500_> in suspend, time drifts you
Dec 14 20:48:26 <aholler> suspend can mean everthing ;)
Dec 14 20:48:55 <aholler> at least when reading the clockwork of an omap ;)
Dec 14 20:49:25 <tasslehoff> aholler: could be.
Dec 14 20:50:15 <aholler> but it's unlikely. I think a real suspend is meant.
Dec 14 20:52:54 <aholler> and at least my beagle never suspends ;)
Dec 14 20:53:19 <aholler> at least it never resumes ;)
Dec 14 20:54:36 <aholler> never played with that.
Dec 14 20:55:19 <tasslehoff> aholler: I have played with it, and mine never suspends, it only pretends to
Dec 14 20:56:43 <aholler> could be the same effect if (almost) all clocks are off
Dec 14 20:57:25 <aholler> I find that power-stuff still amazing
Dec 14 20:57:50 <aholler> a playground for years ;)
Dec 14 20:59:04 <mranostay> heh seems like linux on laptops circa ~2005 :)
Dec 14 20:59:25 <mranostay> which is why i started using a mac :)
Dec 14 21:01:03 <aholler> oh, that stuff where cupertino dictates what you have to use ;)
Dec 14 21:01:59 <mranostay> whatever man :)
Dec 14 21:02:16 <mranostay> as long as i can secure shell into my real build machines i don't care :)
Dec 14 21:02:20 * tasslehoff is also on a mac, and if someone tells him what to use they hide it well )
Dec 14 21:02:55 <tasslehoff> though, since my smiley didn't have eyes its possible I don't see everything..
Dec 14 21:03:09 <aholler> wait until you build a tablet with black borders ;)
Dec 14 21:05:44 <aholler> or you use an ir-led on your phone. I've read they now want a patent for ir-communication
Dec 14 21:07:07 <tasslehoff> I've been on the lookout for a new laptop for a long time, but can't find anything I want to replace my Mac with.
Dec 14 21:07:45 <aholler> I'm searching too and come to the conclusion I have to wait until april
Dec 14 21:08:24 <aholler> until the new chips from intel are available (inside some 15" laptop)
Dec 14 21:14:11 <aholler> and I don't understand why it's so hard for the rest of the world to build something > 13" without an optical drive and with a ssd.
Dec 14 21:14:23 <koen> av500: pong
Dec 14 21:14:56 <_av500_> koen: nvm, we got it
Dec 14 21:15:37 <_av500_> Mistral did your job while you were goofing off
Dec 14 21:15:50 <koen> heh
Dec 14 21:36:48 <easyat> Does anyone have a suggestion on a USB-wifi adapter to use along with Angstrom?
Dec 14 21:39:39 <djlewis> one that works :)
Dec 14 21:40:17 <djlewis> mine is so old i wont even suggest it. Besides, it was ripped from a hp chassis
Dec 14 21:41:18 <easyat> And you just ported the drivers?
Dec 14 22:00:30 <ds2> Hmmmm
Dec 14 22:05:38 <xxiao> Crofton|work: what's cloud9 there for then :)
Dec 14 22:06:02 <xxiao> t
Dec 14 22:06:17 <xxiao> tt
Dec 14 22:06:21 <xxiao> test
Dec 14 22:06:47 <mranostay> ah test it works
Dec 14 22:07:00 <xxiao> forgot to page down my irssi
Dec 14 22:11:23 <mranostay> heh
Dec 14 22:22:15 <easyat> Am I able to change res without serial input?
Dec 14 22:23:26 <easyat> I am reading about uenv.txt but after 'find . -type f | grep uenv' I get nothing
Dec 14 22:27:20 <easyat> too nub to elicit a response?
Dec 14 22:27:31 <Tartarus> uEnv.txt
Dec 14 22:28:06 <Tartarus> Well, rather, if there isn't one yet, it doesn't really matter what it's called but uEnv.txt is the convention
Dec 14 22:28:20 <Tartarus> and I forget if it exists by default or not, but if it doesn't just create one, root of your SD card
Dec 14 22:28:31 <Tartarus> variable=value syntax
Dec 14 22:28:52 <Tartarus> probably want to stick your new res into optargs=whatever.res=XxY
Dec 14 22:28:58 <easyat> ok ty
Dec 14 22:29:04 <easyat> not in /boot?
Dec 14 22:29:19 <Tartarus> But!  that might be overridden and you need to do a full bootargs=
Dec 14 22:29:22 <Tartarus> Ah, good question
Dec 14 22:29:32 <Tartarus> I forgot angstrom defaults to using ext2
Dec 14 22:29:37 <Tartarus> But yes, iirc, still /uEnv.txt
Dec 14 22:29:50 <koen> Tartarus: ext3 you mean :)
Dec 14 22:29:51 <Tartarus> Which is a heh, need to talk with koen about what to do in the future there
Dec 14 22:30:02 <easyat> ty :) I shall report back with results
Dec 14 22:30:44 <Tartarus> koen: heh, btw, I see ext4 patches but didn't wanna chime in asking about speed of reads
Dec 14 22:30:45 <easyat> Ah, one last thing.  I read something about having to enable the use of uEnv, is this true?
Dec 14 22:31:02 <Tartarus> easyat: What version of u-boot are you using?
Dec 14 22:31:24 <Tartarus> I wanna say that if you've got an xM the SD card shipped with a version that knows uEnv.txt
Dec 14 22:32:33 <easyat> r4 I think, the one that was last modified 02-Nov-2011 on the angstromg-demo page
Dec 14 22:32:40 <koen> Tartarus: I'm in the process of switching everything in meta-ti that uses block based storage to ext4
Dec 14 22:32:50 <koen> Tartarus: but since it requires actual testing progress is slow
Dec 14 22:32:50 <easyat> And no, I did not get an xm
Dec 14 22:33:14 <Tartarus> Fun.  I know the patches won't be in 2011.12 but hpoefully samsung cleans 'em up for 2012.03
Dec 14 22:33:21 <Tartarus> easyat: Ah, so a regular beagle
Dec 14 22:33:27 <easyat> yeppers
Dec 14 22:33:38 <Tartarus> OK, but what's the U-Boot version?  Or just the one that shipped with it?
Dec 14 22:34:23 <Tartarus> If the one it shipped with, no, you probably need to update
Dec 14 22:34:39 <easyat> Is uboot on NAND?
Dec 14 22:34:55 <easyat> I put a u-boot.bin file on the sd card
Dec 14 22:35:19 <easyat> 2011.09-r4
Dec 14 22:35:52 <Tartarus> ok
Dec 14 22:35:59 <Tartarus> Yeah, then it'll read uEnv.txt
Dec 14 22:36:03 <easyat> yay
Dec 14 22:57:59 <easyat> Should I use optargs or dvimode?
Dec 14 22:58:22 <easyat> for setting my res*
Dec 14 23:08:13 <easyat> or can someone cat a uEnv.txt so I can see an example.  I am not finding much online
Dec 14 23:11:31 <TheBurrito> anyone familiar with installing ROS over top of Ubuntu (Natty)?
Dec 14 23:11:55 <_av500_> apt-get
Dec 14 23:12:12 <_av500_> doesnt ROS offer readmes?
Dec 14 23:12:33 <TheBurrito> I'm following the install from source on their site. keeps failing on ros_comm.
Dec 14 23:12:49 <TheBurrito> I tried apt-get but it said it couldn't find the package ros-electric-ros-base
Dec 14 23:13:04 <TheBurrito> jsut seeing if anyone else had a similar situation :)
Dec 14 23:14:18 * djlewis doesn't see ros listed in angstrom dist
Dec 14 23:14:40 <TheBurrito> ubuntu natty
Dec 14 23:14:50 <djlewis> duh
Dec 14 23:14:52 <TheBurrito> I put the repo location into apt as per the instructions.
Dec 14 23:14:59 <TheBurrito> installed it on my netbook using apt-get.
Dec 14 23:15:56 <Tartarus> easyat: dvimode=newmode in uEnv.txt should work
Dec 14 23:16:06 <Tartarus> But, watch serial to see if it says loading uEnv.txt or not
Dec 14 23:16:35 <Tartarus> also note: omapfb.mode=dvi:${dvimode}
Dec 14 23:16:45 <easyat> Ok, sounds good
Dec 14 23:17:06 <easyat> AM I ok with just using those 2 lines? Or is more neccessary for a proper startup
Dec 14 23:17:42 <pfefferz> try this
Dec 14 23:17:52 <pfefferz> omapdss.def_disp=dvi omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-16@60
Dec 14 23:19:11 <easyat> cam my uEnv only contain that line?
Dec 14 23:19:41 <_av500_> no
Dec 14 23:19:44 <_av500_> many lines
Dec 14 23:20:03 <pfefferz> easyat, I've got a little script that can hack the bootline on an SD card
Dec 14 23:20:17 <pfefferz> easyat, got an email?
Dec 14 23:20:37 <pfefferz> easyat, send me a mail at zach.pfeffer@linaro.org
Dec 14 23:21:18 <TheBurrito> got it (ROS) apparently it doesn't like installing as root. gotta get back into ubuntu habits of not always being root >_<
Dec 14 23:31:36 <ds2> this is not a good sign when you can partition cards for these chips off the top of your head :(
Dec 14 23:40:51 <djlewis> later . . .
Dec 14 23:51:56 <TheBurrito> are there any known issues powering a BB C4 through a 7805? I keep getting power cycling. The 7805 is only luke-warm.
Dec 14 23:57:20 <awozniak> Anyone have clues on this error?
Dec 14 23:57:21 <awozniak> NOTE: package linux-omap-psp-2.6.32-r113b+gitr5fc29e7b2a76a64a739f857858ef0b98294aa155: task do_unpack: Started
Dec 14 23:57:21 <awozniak> ERROR: Function 'Unpack failure for URL: 'file://configs/*'
Dec 15 00:51:35 <TheBurrito> and now ubuntu is hanging after initializing i2c-2. I can't win.
Dec 15 01:06:52 <TheBurrito> anyone familiar with ubuntu on C4? Boot hangs after trying to itializing i2c-2 either saying arbitration lost or controller timed out.
Dec 15 01:06:58 <TheBurrito> I've booted several times fine.
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Dec 15 04:07:39 <mranostay> so how well does the JTAG over USB work on the Bone?
Dec 15 04:14:32 <mranostay> and also do i need to load a full GUI one if i just want to be able to RESET via JTAG?
Dec 15 04:23:38 <joelagnel> Can anyone recommend a game that is small display friendly and light weight, I'm doing a demo with this tiny display and would look to show off a couple of apps
Dec 15 04:24:40 <joelagnel> mranostay, JTAG over USB works well with CCS
Dec 15 04:25:01 <joelagnel> prpplague has got OpenOCD working too AIUI
Dec 15 04:29:38 <doublebeta> Run some gameboy emulation?
Dec 15 04:30:51 <mranostay> joelagnel: anything command line though? :)
Dec 15 04:35:56 <joelagnel> mranostay, openocd can reset from cmdline
Dec 15 04:36:40 <mranostay> ok cool (notes he has never used openocd)
Dec 15 04:36:59 <mranostay> i'm a fan of 'standalone' debuggers like a BDI
Dec 15 04:37:48 * mranostay pops that in his weekend project note
Dec 15 04:38:24 <joelagnel> but just not sure about its current state, remember prpplague saying the deltas are more or less finding board description from the ft2232 eeprom
Dec 15 04:38:38 <joelagnel> and configuring it accordingly
Dec 15 04:38:40 <joelagnel> cool
Dec 15 04:38:48 <doublebeta> Man chilli is the best decongestant!
Dec 15 04:41:50 <jay6981> is the flyswatter any good?
Dec 15 04:43:41 <joelagnel> think so
Dec 15 04:43:57 <joelagnel> bone has same chip for JTAG
Dec 15 04:44:01 <jay6981> seemed like the cheapest way to go
Dec 15 04:45:07 <jay6981> there's a chip for jtag? i thought the jtag signals went straight into the SoC
Dec 15 04:46:42 <doublebeta> The TRM sure made it seem that way
Dec 15 04:47:03 <Russ> anyone have experience with omap-u-boot-tools?
Dec 15 04:47:18 <Russ> I'm wondering if it is worth working with
Dec 15 04:47:40 <jay6981> i tried it… couldn't make pserial or pusb work
Dec 15 04:47:49 <joelagnel> jay6981, You'd need a JTAG emulator right, and a way to interface it to the host
Dec 15 04:50:40 <joelagnel> later
Dec 15 08:24:49 <tasslehoff> koen, this is the systemd-output I get on first boot (without any services of my own). do you have these errors? http://pastebin.com/M3dSvu7A
Dec 15 08:46:27 * koen looks
Dec 15 08:47:03 <koen> tasslehoff: that the opkg first boot stuff, harmless error
Dec 15 08:47:19 <koen> tasslehoff: althouth it should get fixed so that you don't see it :)
Dec 15 08:48:55 <tasslehoff> koen, :)
Dec 15 08:50:36 <tasslehoff> koen, than my only remaining issue to get oe-core up and running on my board is getting my frigging systemd-services enabled by default
Dec 15 08:53:53 <tasslehoff> koen, spot any badness here: http://pastebin.com/Nsu5Vhe4? I have those and inherit systemd in my recipe.
Dec 15 09:04:58 <ds2> Hmmm
Dec 15 11:17:31 <htns> does "mtest 0x80000000 0x90000000 0xdeadbeef 1" in u-boot pass on a beagleboard RevC5 pass? it seems to fail on my board
Dec 15 11:18:46 <snyp3r> would someone mind commenting on why commented out line in this paste http://pastebin.com/Z7punWHY fails to pass data back to the veriable it is pointing to? 
Dec 15 11:18:58 <av500> htns: the whole mem? doesnt uboot use sdram?
Dec 15 11:19:26 <av500> snyp3r: you cannot pass a pointer to a stack variable
Dec 15 11:20:36 <snyp3r> av500: thanks, is memset acceptable for what I am trying to achieve?
Dec 15 11:20:40 <av500> snyp3r: *data = ret
Dec 15 11:20:54 <av500> the memset is equally wrong
Dec 15 11:21:00 <av500> *data = ret
Dec 15 11:21:36 <mru> looks like someone is lacking a grasp of pointers
Dec 15 11:21:39 <snyp3r> av500: thanks, your method fixed it
Dec 15 11:22:08 <snyp3r> mru: true, learning by example
Dec 15 11:22:43 * av500 files a patent for his method
Dec 15 11:24:23 <snyp3r> sensing a hint of sarcasm
Dec 15 11:24:29 <snyp3r> :)
Dec 15 11:24:50 <av500> I guess the reverse italics did not get through irc....
Dec 15 11:27:25 <snyp3r> weechat doesn't take sarcasm too well
Dec 15 11:31:04 <htns> av500, C5 has 256MB of SDRAM right? 0x90000000 - 0x80000000 = 0x10000000 = 256MB right?
Dec 15 11:31:51 <av500> yes
Dec 15 11:31:59 <av500> but doesnt uboot use some of that?
Dec 15 11:32:22 <av500> so how does memtest over the full memory work?
Dec 15 11:32:35 <htns> av500, oh, now i understand what you mean
Dec 15 11:32:42 <av500> jo
Dec 15 11:37:26 <doublebeta> after uboot is done loading, why isn't the space uboot was using just nuked/
Dec 15 11:37:59 <av500> ?
Dec 15 11:38:06 <av500> the memtest is in uboot
Dec 15 11:38:57 <doublebeta> Ahh
Dec 15 11:39:00 <doublebeta> >_<
Dec 15 11:39:12 <doublebeta> derp, should have probably grabbed the context before posting >>_<
Dec 15 11:39:29 <av500> nah
Dec 15 11:39:35 <av500> just keep it coming :)
Dec 15 11:39:56 <doublebeta> Seriously, I wonder why uboot isn't kept in the 64k of local ram
Dec 15 11:40:20 <av500> doublebeta: because its HUGE
Dec 15 11:40:40 <doublebeta> 0_o
Dec 15 11:41:15 <doublebeta> Is that because it's got lots of device support linked in or something?
Dec 15 11:41:29 <doublebeta> I mean, it doesn't do a lot -- would it really... eh
Dec 15 11:41:51 <doublebeta> ('doesn't do a lot' doesn't mean 'insignificant'. u-boot is a fucking gem)
Dec 15 11:42:22 <av500> have a look at the source
Dec 15 11:44:22 <doublebeta> K
Dec 15 11:44:37 <doublebeta> Just wanted to flow ideas. Sorry :)
Dec 15 11:45:01 <av500> there are people that say uboot is bloated
Dec 15 11:45:10 <mru> memtest would probably fit in sram
Dec 15 11:45:56 <doublebeta> oh yeah, mru's right. memtest could be copied to sram and then you can rape sdram all you like
Dec 15 11:46:07 <av500> maybe
Dec 15 11:46:40 <doublebeta> But you'd have to make sure memtest knew where to find itself, just sayin. don't go doing a memcpy(memtest_func,sizeof(memtest_func) ...
Dec 15 11:47:06 <doublebeta> and hurp, dest comes before source and n
Dec 15 11:57:27 <hitlin37> i have confirmed five times from the morning...and found .... it is not friday today.
Dec 15 11:58:52 <doublebeta> hahah, damn.
Dec 15 11:58:58 <doublebeta> I know that feeling...
Dec 15 12:04:00 <tasslehoff> koen, are you sure the systemd-errors are harmless. I've managed to enable my services now, but they don't start on first boot after an upgrade.
Dec 15 12:05:30 <mdp> If you want "u-boot from sram" you just load a uImage directly from spl
Dec 15 12:05:55 <tasslehoff> perhaps the symlink is created (by S98configure) after the stuff wanted by multi-user.target should be started?
Dec 15 12:20:00 <sundar_> guys, a weird problem with a udp client/server app.
Dec 15 12:20:29 <sundar_> the app crashes when run from a serial console but doesn't when started from a telnet session
Dec 15 12:20:40 <sundar_> serial baud rate is 115200
Dec 15 12:21:15 <sundar_> the app doesn't print a lot of messages to stdout/stderr. just few once in a while
Dec 15 12:21:45 <sundar_> any pointers to where the problem might be
Dec 15 12:22:21 <hitlin37> add more print in your app
Dec 15 12:22:57 <sundar_> for crashing out sooner?
Dec 15 12:23:40 <hitlin37> no.to identify where it was last before crash
Dec 15 12:25:00 <sundar_> it was crashing while printfing 
Dec 15 12:25:25 <sundar_> the same app runs perfectly when started from telnet session
Dec 15 12:25:31 <sundar_> this is why am wondering
Dec 15 12:26:36 <doublebeta> Find out which printf, checck the arguments of printf
Dec 15 12:26:58 <doublebeta> By 'crashing', is it a hang, an infinite loop, or a segmentation fault/illegal instruction?
Dec 15 12:27:30 <doublebeta> It's possible the memory offsets as a result of environment variables lead to a crash as opposed to a silent issue
Dec 15 12:28:10 <sundar_> it is a seg fault
Dec 15 12:28:36 <sundar_> the arguments are the function name and file name
Dec 15 12:29:22 <doublebeta> Show me the line of code
Dec 15 12:29:24 <doublebeta> the printf
Dec 15 12:32:16 <sundar_> printf("%s(%d): starting packet xmit\n", __func__, __LINE__);  
Dec 15 12:32:38 <sundar_> there are no threads in the program
Dec 15 12:33:07 <doublebeta> 0_o. that's weird. Weird indeed.
Dec 15 12:33:23 <doublebeta> you've confirmed, via gdb, that this is where it happens?
Dec 15 12:33:50 <sundar_> yes i've had a core file generated and this is where gdb points to where it crashed
Dec 15 12:35:29 <doublebeta> What happens if you run this program on a conventional PC?
Dec 15 12:35:31 <sundar_> for the moment managing with telnet sessions.. just wanted to know what could be the reason
Dec 15 12:35:47 <sundar_> no problems at all on x86_64
Dec 15 12:35:50 <doublebeta> Yeah... I'm sorry I couldn't help you
Dec 15 12:35:58 <sundar_> no problem :)
Dec 15 12:38:11 <sundar_> another question on udp receive buffer. will there be any packet drop if the kernel's udp rx buffer is full? 
Dec 15 12:39:22 <doublebeta> Most likely. UDP is really really not designed to be reliable
Dec 15 12:39:29 <sundar_> netstat -s doesnt show RcvbufErrors positive but am getting packet losses in bursts
Dec 15 12:39:44 <sundar_> this is happening with TI's DM8168 EVM
Dec 15 12:40:37 <sundar_> suddenly about 5 to 15 packets doesn't reach the listener
Dec 15 12:41:20 <sundar_> tcpdump onboard shows that many packets lost.
Dec 15 12:42:27 <sundar_> from where tcpdump normally fetch the packet? after it reaches userspace?
Dec 15 12:48:04 <doublebeta> if tcpdump is only showing a statistic, the kernel may be aware that packets are betting dropped and so increments a small counter, but makes no attempt to store the actual data
Dec 15 13:04:04 <sundar_> so, if the packets are dropped (as seen from tcpdump), does it mean they might be lost in the network, or could be dropped in the kernel in some layer due to insufficient buffer?
Dec 15 13:04:43 <doublebeta> If you're getting stats, it's likely reaching the device
Dec 15 13:04:55 <doublebeta> I'm not much help, I'm sorry
Dec 15 13:04:58 <sundar_> no tcpdump see no packets 
Dec 15 13:05:50 <doublebeta> I wish you the best of luck; I'm going to bed. It's midnight here :<
Dec 15 13:11:03 <sundar_> thanks and gn
Dec 15 13:37:29 <LeslieLi> Hi, can setup-dvsdk-4-01-beaglexm-110126.sh work on dvsdk 4.02? any one has tried or there is a script for 4.02?
Dec 15 15:12:35 <BlInK311> If I connected the LI-VI365 to the beaglexm and powered it.  can i expect both to be damaged due to the incompatable pins?  And because of the 1.8v vs 3.3v io pin difference?
Dec 15 15:18:25 <mranostay> BlInK311: i'm sure you can expect something. and probably not good :)
Dec 15 15:22:15 <BlInK311> yeah... thought so.. 
Dec 15 16:42:56 <tholm> i'm try to use the hdmi connection but the tv says "mode not supported", I changed the uEnv.txt file, and i tried with hd720 and another mode, but nothing happened
Dec 15 16:43:37 <dm8tbr> which brand is the TV?
Dec 15 16:43:45 <tholm> samsung
Dec 15 16:43:47 <thurbad> do you have a dvi input on your monitor?
Dec 15 16:43:57 <tholm> nope
Dec 15 16:44:00 <mru> samsung TVs usually work fine
Dec 15 16:44:42 <tholm> actually works great with armstrong linux
Dec 15 16:44:42 <dm8tbr> LG is said to be problematic
Dec 15 16:45:01 <dm8tbr> it's called Angstrom, neither Arm, nor strong
Dec 15 16:45:15 <tholm> my bad :)
Dec 15 16:45:15 <av500> tholm: if it works, why do you complain?
Dec 15 16:45:21 <thurbad> it's been called worse :P
Dec 15 16:45:26 <av500> nagstorm!
Dec 15 16:45:34 <thurbad> ... see
Dec 15 16:45:35 <av500> gnasmort!
Dec 15 16:45:46 <tholm> im trying to use ubuntu distro
Dec 15 16:45:51 <av500> gantroms
Dec 15 16:46:08 <dm8tbr> tholm: which board? XM? non-XM?
Dec 15 16:46:15 <tholm> xm
Dec 15 16:47:31 <tholm> the console with serial port works fine
Dec 15 16:48:05 <av500> tholm: which ubuntu? the official one or from rcn-ee 
Dec 15 16:48:14 <tholm> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
Dec 15 16:48:42 <tholm> and i used this file http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/natty/ubuntu-11.04-r7-minimal-armel.tar.xz
Dec 15 16:48:54 <av500> so rcn-ee release
Dec 15 16:49:00 <tholm> yep
Dec 15 16:50:57 <tholm> if i change the option displaydefault=tv and i connect it with s-video works good
Dec 15 16:51:01 <rcn-ee> it should accept hd720 as a mode, i'm using one of sakoman's modes for that..
Dec 15 16:51:45 <tholm> yep i tried with that mode
Dec 15 16:51:54 <tholm> but it didint work
Dec 15 16:52:25 <rcn-ee> weird, works on my samsung.. do you have a model number?
Dec 15 16:52:38 <tholm> ln32r81b
Dec 15 16:54:14 <tholm> yes it weirds coz with the Angstrom distro works fine
Dec 15 16:54:48 <av500> tholm: same uboot?
Dec 15 16:55:08 <av500> tholm: pastebin a full boot log
Dec 15 16:55:24 <tholm> ok hold on
Dec 15 17:04:24 <arcanescu_> av500: what was the channel for av questions like dvb ... i cant remeber the name now
Dec 15 17:04:46 <jay6981> libav?
Dec 15 17:04:57 <arcanescu_> yes! jeez
Dec 15 17:07:19 <av500> #libav is the channel for using libav
Dec 15 17:08:15 <arcanescu_> yea.... but they seemed to helpout with the dvb stuff
Dec 15 17:08:30 <arcanescu_> i cant seem to find anyway to encode a mpegts stream suitable for dvb
Dec 15 17:09:03 <av500> ah
Dec 15 17:09:20 <av500> if you are using libav, then yes, ask there
Dec 15 17:10:04 <arcanescu_> well  im using gstreamer.... but there is nothing in there to do that... it has a mpegtsmux but its not the right format
Dec 15 17:10:24 <av500> the libav ts muxer is not the best either
Dec 15 17:11:05 <arcanescu_> .... yea.... so im running out of options
Dec 15 17:11:15 <av500> there commercial solutions :)
Dec 15 17:11:19 <av500> there are*
Dec 15 17:11:29 <av500> and there is do it yourself
Dec 15 17:12:11 <arcanescu_> commercial solutions explain?
Dec 15 17:12:16 <arcanescu_> which ones?
Dec 15 17:13:22 * av500 no broadcast expert
Dec 15 17:13:38 <av500> but I guess all the tv stations are not doing it with hexedit....
Dec 15 17:13:49 <vitruvo> hello people.
Dec 15 17:14:13 <arcanescu_> hmmmm
Dec 15 17:17:09 <vitruvo> anyone in the mood to help? i got some stupid newbie questions.
Dec 15 17:19:11 <jay6981> don't ask to ask. just ask.
Dec 15 17:29:46 <tholm> av500:  http://pastebin.com/1A8Hss1w
Dec 15 17:32:10 <tholm> i reinstalled the distro again
Dec 15 17:37:59 <tholm> idk if the issue is with uboot or ubuntu distro?
Dec 15 17:39:32 <rcn-ee> tholm, does it work with the other hdmi port?
Dec 15 17:40:26 <tholm> yeah
Dec 15 17:40:31 <av500> tholm: Kernel command line: console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 mpurate=auto buddy=none buddy2=none camera=none vram=12M omapfb.mode=dc
Dec 15 17:40:37 <av500> I see no 720p
Dec 15 17:40:55 <jay6981> it got changed later on
Dec 15 17:41:18 <tholm> console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 mpurate=auto buddy=none buddy2=none camera=none vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:hd720 omapdss.def_disp=dvi root=/d
Dec 15 17:41:19 <tholm> ev/mmcblk0p2 ro rootfstype=ext4 rootwait fixrtc
Dec 15 17:41:26 <rcn-ee> looks like it got cut off., (serial)
Dec 15 17:41:53 <av500> ah
Dec 15 17:44:48 <tholm> rcn-ee:  what do you think , that issue is with uboot?
Dec 15 17:45:21 <rcn-ee> tholm, what's the issue again?
Dec 15 17:45:39 <rcn-ee> (think i missed it earlier)
Dec 15 17:45:48 <tholm> when i connect the hdmi connection it doesnt work
Dec 15 17:45:58 <tholm> the s-video mode works fine
Dec 15 17:46:18 <rcn-ee> is the hdmi connected at boot?  There's two on that model# do either of them work?
Dec 15 17:46:23 <tholm> yes
Dec 15 17:46:25 <jay6981> why is the kernel cmdline different in line 73 and line 320
Dec 15 17:46:49 <tholm> nope only 1 port
Dec 15 17:46:59 <rcn-ee> jay6981, serial line wrap
Dec 15 17:47:30 <rcn-ee> tholm, so one hdmi port works fine but the other doesn't? what dvimode: do you have set for the one that works?
Dec 15 17:47:31 <av500> CTRL-A W
Dec 15 17:48:32 <tholm> actually Angstrom distro works fine
Dec 15 17:49:39 <rcn-ee> tholm "angstrom works fine" doesn't tell me anything.. 2.6.32-psp angstrom/ 3.0.x angstrom/ 3.1.x angstrom?
Dec 15 17:49:58 <rcn-ee> (uname -a_
Dec 15 17:50:26 <tholm> Angstrom distro that came with the board
Dec 15 17:51:14 <rcn-ee> okay, that's a the old stable 2.6.32-psp angstrom...
Dec 15 17:51:37 <rcn-ee> so your saying, neither hdmi connector works by default on your samsung tv/lcd with my latest image? correct?
Dec 15 17:53:05 <tholm> yep
Dec 15 17:53:37 <rcn-ee> okay, i was getting confused by your earlier "yeah" statment..
Dec 15 17:55:40 <rcn-ee> Can you test other modes for me: say:  dvimode=1024x768MR-16@60 ?
Dec 15 17:55:59 <av500> if its a TV, it might not take that
Dec 15 17:56:16 <tholm> yes tried that mode and nothing happened
Dec 15 17:56:41 <rcn-ee> yeah, we know it's not taking .. 1280x720MR-16@60
Dec 15 17:57:15 <av500> maybe without MR
Dec 15 17:57:25 <av500> is that the hdmi 270 mode with MR?
Dec 15 17:57:28 <av500> 720
Dec 15 17:57:58 <tholm>  hd720 mode it didnt work
Dec 15 17:58:11 <rcn-ee> default i have it set for: 1280x720MR-16@60... he could try dropping the "R"..
Dec 15 17:58:32 <tholm> ok let me try
Dec 15 18:03:02 <tholm> i tried with 1280x720M-16@60, and it didnt work
Dec 15 18:04:06 <av500> you might need to dump the dss timings and compare in mangrost and ubuntu
Dec 15 18:09:04 <rcn-ee> tholm, it's probally one of the kernel patches i've applied to fix one of my crappy lcd monitors.. I'd have you test a later rc, but the ehci is broke right now.. you can copy the angstrom uImage and it should boot fine..
Dec 15 18:09:41 <rcn-ee> (and copy the modules too)
Dec 15 18:10:57 <tholm> ok rcn-ee what are "the modules"?
Dec 15 18:11:20 <tholm> which files?
Dec 15 18:11:22 <av500> I, for one, welcome our jkridner overlord
Dec 15 18:11:23 <rcn-ee> "/lib/modules/2.6.32..../"
Dec 15 18:11:48 <tholm> understood
Dec 15 18:12:51 <jkridner> hi av500
Dec 15 18:12:57 <rcn-ee> tholm, otherwise if'd you like to rebuild and test, it's probally this patch: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/blob/master/patch.sh#L42  (i have one monitor that needs that)
Dec 15 18:13:43 <av500> rcn-ee: why not make a flag for dss for that?
Dec 15 18:17:51 <rcn-ee> av500, probally could, right now it's the only patch against mainline i'm using in my tree, so it's easy to blame..
Dec 15 18:32:01 <tholm> I copied the angstrom uImage and the modules, it didnt work, rcn-ee
Dec 15 18:32:03 <tholm> http://pastebin.com/Sp5Xh9Wx
Dec 15 18:32:42 <tholm> it stopped at Uncompressing  Linux............................................................................................................................ .................................................................................... done, booting the kernel.
Dec 15 18:33:00 <rcn-ee> tholm, oh yeah, change tty02 -> ttyS2 in uEnv.txt... 
Dec 15 18:33:09 <tholm> ok
Dec 15 19:02:55 <tholm> rcn-ee: now its working the hdmi connection, but.... on the tv it say " udevd[66]: unable to receive ctrl connection: Function not implemented" over and over again
Dec 15 19:05:06 <tholm> and over serial port, it says"EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode" and stopped it on that
Dec 15 19:09:26 <rcn-ee> tholm, to get serial back, you'll also have to edit : /etc/init/ttyO2.conf (change the internal reference to ttyS2).. 
Dec 15 20:22:17 <LetoThe2nd> beaglebone started successfully :)
Dec 15 20:23:23 <LetoThe2nd> but i wonder, isnt it meant to put a serial console onto the usb mini?
Dec 15 20:28:01 <LetoThe2nd> the ftdi seems to register two endpoints, but none is a serial port.
Dec 15 20:35:03 <_av500_> it is
Dec 15 20:35:31 <_av500_> you need ftdi_sio with the right vid/pid
Dec 15 20:35:37 <_av500_> its in the readme
Dec 15 20:37:48 <aholler_> oh, rumors about an hdmi-beaglebone. please don't forget to add an rtc and audio over hdmi ;)
Dec 15 20:38:45 <aholler_> and an omap5 ;)
Dec 15 20:40:28 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: ah. guess i need to remove the s/readme/ignoreme/ filters in my file browser.
Dec 15 20:41:01 <aholler_> is it called irc?
Dec 15 20:54:07 <Crofton|work> so if I have MLO in NAND, it checks nand and sd for u-boot?
Dec 15 20:54:27 <_av500_> not sure
Dec 15 20:54:38 <Crofton|work> I am tryin gto remember
Dec 15 20:54:46 <Crofton|work> I ahve an overo with nand again
Dec 15 20:54:54 <_av500_> I am trying to forget :)
Dec 15 20:56:44 <LetoThe2nd> bone is refusing to tell me whats on i2c:
Dec 15 20:56:44 <LetoThe2nd> root@beaglebone:/dev# i2cdetect 1 
Dec 15 20:56:45 <LetoThe2nd> Error: Can't use SMBus Quick Write command on this bus
Dec 15 21:17:54 <sakoman_> Crofton|work: yes, it checks mmc first, then nand, and if neither tries a serial boot
Dec 15 21:19:06 <tasslehoff> is sandisk the "recommended by #beagle"-uSD?
Dec 15 21:19:18 <_av500_> its recommend
Dec 15 21:19:37 <Crofton|work> cool
Dec 15 21:19:58 <_av500_> sakoman_: mmc first?
Dec 15 21:21:19 <Crofton|work> so you can override nand easily I think?
Dec 15 21:21:28 <_av500_> user button
Dec 15 21:23:06 <sakoman_> av500: yup, see line 100: http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=x-loader.git;a=blob;f=lib/board.c;h=0f6b960a923c38f184e2c9edba6828ded756154b;hb=HEAD
Dec 15 21:23:20 <Crofton|work> I do not think gumstix uses the user button
Dec 15 21:23:55 <sakoman_> user button is a beagle thing
Dec 15 21:24:50 <sakoman_> and iirc it is connected to one of the sysboot pins so it modifies where MLO is loaded from
Dec 15 21:25:27 <XorA> yes, it is
Dec 15 21:25:45 <XorA> then MLO shifts it to GPIO and reads it
Dec 15 21:25:53 <XorA> if I recall right
Dec 15 21:26:07 <jay6981> does that x-load set the SDRAM (L3) clock to 200mhz?
Dec 15 21:26:48 <_av500_> sakoman_: well, the channel name is #beagle :)
Dec 15 21:27:17 <Crofton|work> #beagle means the only useful omap3 support around :)
Dec 15 21:27:38 <sakoman_> av500: and Crofton's question specified overo
Dec 15 21:29:15 <_av500_> sakoman_: he, it was a joke :=
Dec 15 21:29:22 <_av500_> :)
Dec 15 21:30:50 <sakoman_> av500: I knew that!
Dec 15 21:31:40 <_av500_> ha
Dec 15 21:54:03 <LetoThe2nd> hm, whats the trick to access i2c-1 on the bone? i2cdetect refuses, i2cget says busy...
Dec 15 22:22:31 <TheBurrito> How bad is it when the heartbeat stops, but the board doesn't power cycle?
Dec 15 22:22:51 <djlewis> Oh.... not so good . . .
Dec 15 22:23:10 <TheBurrito> is there any way I can possibly look up what's causing that? (ubuntu)
Dec 15 22:33:41 <XorA> LetoThe2nd: its muxed as GPIO?
Dec 15 22:36:02 <LetoThe2nd> XorA: i didn't mux anything - i assumend the pinmapping would fit as i2c-1 is there on default bootup
Dec 15 22:36:43 * XorA doesnt know as he doesnt have a bone or schematics
Dec 15 22:36:51 <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: dont assume, blame koen instead
Dec 15 22:37:14 <XorA> but it sounds like i2c bus is not bit toggling as it should
Dec 15 22:38:26 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: good idea ;)
Dec 15 22:38:53 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: still trying to decide whether to fosdem or not to fosdem :/
Dec 15 22:39:58 <_av500_> go
Dec 15 22:40:47 <LetoThe2nd> oO( strange. now after power cycling, the i2c seems to be there. )
Dec 15 22:43:43 <LetoThe2nd> a last one on the bone: any ideas on how to access the adcs? are they coming out somewhere in /sys?
Dec 15 22:55:33 <LetoThe2nd> anways, g'night
Dec 15 23:04:33 <TheBurrito> My C4 has now power cycled many times (on its own). Can that cause any harm to the hardware?
Dec 15 23:15:30 <thurbad> probably depends on why it's power cycling on its own
Dec 15 23:16:59 <djlewis> TheBurrito: wern't / aren't you having power source issues?
Dec 15 23:17:18 <djlewis> i love the way I spelled weren't
Dec 15 23:17:27 <djlewis> still doesnt sound right
Dec 15 23:18:07 <TheBurrito> heh. Yes. Because of that I'm now resorting to having just the beagleboard itself running via a wall wart plugged directly into the BB until the switching regulators arrive.
Dec 15 23:18:47 <TheBurrito> and now I'm getting system lockups without the board power cycling like it was. The heartbeat LED will stop blinking on its own.
Dec 15 23:19:05 <jay6981> you check the serial console output?
Dec 15 23:19:14 <TheBurrito> there's nothing.
Dec 15 23:19:45 <djlewis> TheBurrito: did you measure the voltage of the walwart to see if it is correct?
Dec 15 23:19:56 <TheBurrito> completely frozen. Usually it eventually power cycles, and then has a tendency to hang after the line "Reading u-boot from NAND"
Dec 15 23:19:57 <TheBurrito> yes
Dec 15 23:20:40 <djlewis> TheBurrito: what of the walwart's output current rating?
Dec 15 23:20:45 <TheBurrito> 1A
Dec 15 23:20:53 <djlewis> seems marginal at best
Dec 15 23:21:08 <djlewis> if you have any devices on usb
Dec 15 23:21:13 <TheBurrito> none.
Dec 15 23:21:18 <TheBurrito> just the beagleboard itself.
Dec 15 23:21:24 <djlewis> should be ok
Dec 15 23:21:50 <TheBurrito> I know. which is concerning me.
Dec 15 23:22:48 <TheBurrito> aside from checking all the test points outlined in the SRM, is there anything else I can check to see if I've messed up the board?
Dec 15 23:27:43 <TheBurrito> same problem when powering via otg port from my laptop.
Dec 15 23:38:53 <TheBurrito> I've switched back to angstrom from ubuntu in case there was some sort of kernel issue, but to no avail. I'm not familiar enough with hardware/EE stuff to know where to start looking.
Dec 15 23:45:39 <djlewis> later . . .
Dec 15 23:47:41 <ds2> TheBurrito: what kind of wires are you using to connect the power?
Dec 15 23:48:00 <ds2> too thin of wires can cause that behavior (too much drop when it pulls a current pulse)
Dec 16 00:35:47 <TheBurrito> ds2: Barrel jack plug right into the power connector. I've been keeping track of the output voltage at the +5V on pin 2.
Dec 16 00:43:50 <TheBurrito> What could be the difference between cpu hang and power cycle? Is there a specific threshold that can hang the cpu but not reset the power controller?
Dec 16 00:46:32 <mru> TheBurrito: threshold of what?
Dec 16 00:46:42 <TheBurrito> voltage
Dec 16 00:46:55 <mru> undervoltage can cause any kind of misbehaviour
Dec 16 00:47:09 <mru> overvoltage can fry circuits
Dec 16 00:47:54 <TheBurrito> mru: With the wall wart it holds between 5.0 and 5.09V, but i still have probs where it either randomly resets, or it hangs to the point of the heartbeat trigger stopping
Dec 16 00:48:37 <mru> what is the rating of your power supply?
Dec 16 00:48:44 <TheBurrito> mru: I was having problems with supply from TO-220 7805 regulators and have since moved back to the wall supply until some switching regulators come in
Dec 16 00:48:49 <TheBurrito> 5.0v 1.0A
Dec 16 00:49:00 <mru> which board?
Dec 16 00:49:03 <TheBurrito> C4
Dec 16 00:49:14 <mru> anything connected to usb?
Dec 16 00:49:57 <TheBurrito> not right now
Dec 16 00:50:13 <mru> 1A should be enough for just the beagle
Dec 16 00:50:59 <TheBurrito> my setup previously was 7.2V battery going to two 7805's. One went to only the BB, the other went to the usb hub (and wifi)
Dec 16 00:51:22 <TheBurrito> can undervolting the BB cause any permanent damage/problems?
Dec 16 00:51:27 <mru> no
Dec 16 00:51:40 <mru> well, not easily at least
Dec 16 00:51:44 <TheBurrito> heh
Dec 16 00:51:53 <mru> not in the way overvoltage does harm
Dec 16 00:52:58 <mru> I can imagine undervoltage might be able to get the circuits into some weird state causing current to flow continuously in places it should only be for short periods
Dec 16 00:53:40 <mru> no idea if that can happen to this board specifically
Dec 16 00:56:08 <TheBurrito> yeah the only hole in that theory is that I'm now having intermittent problems.
Dec 16 00:58:04 <TheBurrito> just reset itself after being fine for 3 minutes. sometimes it doesn't even get through u-boot. (or into u-boot)
Dec 16 00:58:59 <mru> random resets during early booting usually indicate flaky power
Dec 16 00:59:19 <mru> do you have any other power supply you could try
Dec 16 00:59:19 <mru> ?
Dec 16 00:59:48 <mru> try powering over usb
Dec 16 00:59:49 <TheBurrito> I've tried via OTG with same results.
Dec 16 00:59:50 <mru> from a pc
Dec 16 00:59:55 <mru> hmm
Dec 16 01:00:03 <TheBurrito> power controller IC?
Dec 16 01:00:30 <mru> I don't suppose you have another beagle?
Dec 16 01:01:17 <TheBurrito> no
Dec 16 01:02:19 <TheBurrito> robotics club here at school got it last spring for me and I've only just started playing with it. Was looking promising for a while. Of course when I started trying to load ROS on it all hell broke loose.
Dec 16 01:06:46 <TheBurrito> BRB switching to desktop
Dec 16 01:11:05 <ds2> how thick of a wire?
Dec 16 01:11:07 <ds2> 30G?
Dec 16 01:13:26 <TheBurrito> 22G
Dec 16 01:14:48 <TheBurrito> the wall wart has 18G
Dec 16 01:15:00 <ds2> how long of a run?
Dec 16 01:15:03 <TheBurrito> (22 for when powering through expansion)
Dec 16 01:15:03 <ds2> 100ft? 200ft?
Dec 16 01:15:09 <TheBurrito> now I can't get more than a couple of minutes
Dec 16 01:15:10 <TheBurrito> oh
Dec 16 01:15:15 <ds2> uh...powering through the expansion?!
Dec 16 01:15:23 <ds2> do you have anything plugged into the OTG?
Dec 16 01:15:28 <TheBurrito> no
Dec 16 01:15:34 <TheBurrito> wasn't using the OTG at all
Dec 16 01:15:43 <ds2> did you ever powered the expansion with the OTG plugged in?
Dec 16 01:15:50 <TheBurrito> no
Dec 16 01:15:57 <TheBurrito> I used the HS port
Dec 16 01:16:14 <TheBurrito> going to a hub.
Dec 16 01:16:19 <TheBurrito> that was a bad idea huh?
Dec 16 01:16:26 <ds2> ok. (had to check as there is a switch that won't get triggered if you did it in that combo)
Dec 16 01:16:29 <ds2> could be
Dec 16 01:16:43 <ds2> which was a bad idea? 
Dec 16 01:16:53 <TheBurrito> powering through the expansion
Dec 16 01:17:38 <ds2> it is fine as long as you either manually trip the switch or never use OTG in a device mode.
Dec 16 01:17:58 <ds2> if you violate that rule, bad things can happen.
Dec 16 01:18:16 <ds2> I've personally powered it via the expansion many times
Dec 16 01:19:08 <TheBurrito> the setup I had for a while was two 7805s off of a 7.2v source. one 7805 going to the BB, one going to the usb hub connected to the HS usb port
Dec 16 01:19:18 <TheBurrito> in that case I was powering through the header
Dec 16 01:20:23 <ds2> should be fine unless you have heating issues on the 7805
Dec 16 01:20:28 <ds2> heat sink the hell out of them
Dec 16 01:21:48 <TheBurrito> yeah I did have heating issues, then heatsinked and didn't have a problem for about 2 days
Dec 16 01:28:24 <ds2> Oh, so you had it working for a short while then you ran into issues?
Dec 16 01:28:38 <ds2> (sorry if I am asking you to repeat things, I am in an out.)
Dec 16 01:31:26 <TheBurrito> haha no worries. Happy for any possible help I can get :)
Dec 16 01:32:29 <TheBurrito> yeah it was working great for a while. Got it online via usb wifi. Had an incident of poewr cycling once then and realized I was having heat issue with the 7805. So I added a separate 7805 and heatsinked them. (I've got to the effort of thermal pads now too)
Dec 16 01:33:02 <TheBurrito> switched over to ubuntu to have an easier time getting ROS running, and now the board resets within a few minutes of being on.
Dec 16 01:33:15 <TheBurrito> after it resets sometimes it wont even make it to loading the kernel.
Dec 16 01:33:27 <TheBurrito> sometimes it hangs after saying reading u-boot from nand
Dec 16 01:33:49 <TheBurrito> and sometimes it cycles so fast it doesn't even get all of the texas instruments line output to the terminal
Dec 16 01:36:20 <ds2> hmmmmm does it get better if you let it sit for a while turned off?
Dec 16 01:37:54 <TheBurrito2> yes. If I let it sit it will boot. Today the longest I've gotten on it has been about 10 minutes.
Dec 16 01:39:30 <ds2> sounds like a thermal problem somewhere
Dec 16 01:39:33 <TheBurrito2> but today was the first time where I've had even the heartbeat trigger hang
Dec 16 01:39:44 <ds2> and this is still off of the 7805's?
Dec 16 01:39:47 <TheBurrito2> nothing I can feel is getting warm anywhere
Dec 16 01:39:48 <TheBurrito2> no
Dec 16 01:40:08 <TheBurrito2> this is off of otg and barrel jack as well
Dec 16 01:40:58 <ds2> are you sure nothing is shorted on the expansion port?
Dec 16 01:41:13 <ds2> what is the current consumption off of the barrel jack?
Dec 16 01:42:22 <TheBurrito2> only thing on the expansion is the headers I put on and a bit of flux that's left.
Dec 16 01:42:47 <TheBurrito2> when I was powering through the expansion header (easy to measure) I was getting at most .46 amps during booting
Dec 16 01:43:12 <TheBurrito2> not sure about measuring when on barrel jack
Dec 16 01:44:01 <ds2> clean the flux, it can be conductive
Dec 16 01:44:30 <ds2> is the TPS65960 hot? I think that's the P/N
Dec 16 01:44:50 <TheBurrito2> it is the p/n. and no. it never even gets luke warm.
Dec 16 01:46:38 <ds2> very odd
Dec 16 01:48:52 <TheBurrito2> The processor can get warm enough to make the svid and dvi shields noticeable warm. But I expect that. Nothing else on the board gets warm
Dec 16 01:49:10 <ds2> I think you have a power supply problem
Dec 16 01:49:14 <ds2> that is the only thing that can make sense
Dec 16 01:49:34 <ds2> maybe somewhere along the wire, it got abaded so it is a thin, high resistance spot
Dec 16 01:49:53 <ds2> try it with a bench supply and nice thick (18G range) wires
Dec 16 01:50:31 <TheBurrito2> The wall wart has 18g. And I've checked the voltage, even with the oscope to see if I can pick out any rippling or drops
Dec 16 01:51:57 <TheBurrito2> I will try out the bench supply tho
Dec 16 01:53:26 <TheBurrito2> not sure if any of this will help as well, but in ubuntu after a while it would consistently hang after the i2c-2 arbitration lost notification on bootup
Dec 16 02:01:34 <ds2> from u-boot or from the kernel?
Dec 16 02:01:38 <TheBurrito2> kernel
Dec 16 02:01:52 <TheBurrito2> on ubuntu
Dec 16 02:01:58 <TheBurrito2> haven't had that issue with angstrom
Dec 16 02:02:06 <ds2> *shrug* I don't use ubuntu
Dec 16 02:02:14 <TheBurrito2> is there anyway to monitor voltage from /sys?
Dec 16 02:02:17 <ds2> if it works with Angstrom or stock kernels, I'd chase it down with those other folks
Dec 16 02:02:33 <TheBurrito2> it fails with angstrom too
Dec 16 02:02:38 <TheBurrito2> was just an additional note :)
Dec 16 02:03:14 <TheBurrito2> I see the sys fs has regulator devices, but when I cat microamps all I get is a perfectly even number of what it should be, so I doubt that it's correct
Dec 16 02:06:55 <TheBurrito2> right now it's running from 7805s. On long enough to get wifi up.
Dec 16 02:07:18 <TheBurrito2> I did resolder the header pins for 5v and gnd. see if this helps
Dec 16 02:07:58 <TheBurrito2> and voltage to the bb is holding steady at 4.98 - 4.99 V
Dec 16 02:15:55 <TheBurrito2> still going... if it was the flux/header pins I'm going to be rather irked.
Dec 16 02:17:51 <TheBurrito2> http://robot.student.rit.edu
Dec 16 02:26:04 <TheBurrito2> ds2: thanks for the suggestions :)
Dec 16 02:35:31 <ds2> always always clean flux off
Dec 16 02:35:41 <ds2> unless u are using the special no clean stuff
Dec 16 02:36:14 <mru> or flux capacitors
Dec 16 02:36:27 <ds2> :)
Dec 16 02:36:35 <TheBurrito2> yeah. I guess it's also a bigger deal with this lower voltage. I thought I was told flux wasn't a problem by someone. I will definitely keep that in mind.
Dec 16 02:36:53 <TheBurrito2> mru: I watch that trilogy wayyyyy too much, if that's even possible
Dec 16 02:37:46 <jay6981> the 1.21 jigawatt scene is classic
Dec 16 02:38:04 <TheBurrito2> Ben?! How could I have been so careless?!
Dec 16 02:38:16 <TheBurrito2> (or was it thomas?)
Dec 16 02:38:53 <jay6981> you'll have to excuse the crudity of the model. i didn't have time to paint it. 
Dec 16 02:39:15 <TheBurrito2> lol. oh humble doc
Dec 16 02:43:00 <jay6981> TheBurrito2: did you get it to work yet?
Dec 16 02:44:08 <TheBurrito2> jay6981: Yes. Now I get to put my robot all back together and rewire it heh. Gotta pack up to head home.
Dec 16 02:44:16 <jay6981> so it was excess flux?
Dec 16 02:44:28 <TheBurrito2> it appears as such
Dec 16 02:45:22 <jay6981> nice… you owe ds2 some snacky cakes
Dec 16 02:46:19 <TheBurrito2> I'll let him control my robot once I get all the ROV shit setup, how's that sound?
Dec 16 02:46:29 <jay6981> haha
Dec 16 02:51:11 <TheBurrito2> well time to go take care of the dog. have a good night all
Dec 16 02:55:51 <ds2> :D
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Dec 16 03:24:52 <mranostay> so openocd and the beaglebone. someone have that working and documented somewhere? :)
Dec 16 03:26:00 <prpplague> mranostay: working but not documented, too many other irons in the fire
Dec 16 03:26:34 <mranostay> heh great
Dec 16 03:27:03 <mranostay> i really don't want have to use CCS
Dec 16 03:27:40 * mranostay hates all IDEs except when coding Java
Dec 16 03:29:33 <jay6981> i found this: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardOpenOCD
Dec 16 03:30:47 <mranostay> bone would have a different config
Dec 16 03:31:01 <jay6981> oh bone
Dec 16 03:31:41 <jay6981> the beagleboard/beaglebone nomenclature is not convenient 
Dec 16 03:33:51 <mranostay> prpplague: know someone here i can bother with asking (i.e has used it)?
Dec 16 03:39:28 <prpplague> mranostay: sorry not atm
Dec 16 03:47:55 <mdp> prpplague, is the trick updating vendor/product id?
Dec 16 03:49:02 <prpplague> mdp: thats what i did for my testing, but you should be able to use the xds100 vid/pid as well
Dec 16 03:49:23 <prpplague> mdp: i had to generate a couple new config files as well
Dec 16 03:49:34 <prpplague> mdp: i have it on my todo list to document this weekend
Dec 16 03:50:29 <mdp> Ok, i failed using stock vid/pid and some of my own updated configs...but first time openocd user here
Dec 16 03:50:36 <mdp> Ok
Dec 16 03:51:14 <mdp> I really should ship my A1s back to the mothership for replacement
Dec 16 03:51:28 <mranostay> yeah ft2232_init_libftdi isn't even finding the interface
Dec 16 03:51:46 <mranostay> and yes i did update for the funky product id difference from the norm
Dec 16 04:01:39 <|Shay|> Hey all, is the BeagleXM's LAN MAC ID supposed to change on each reboot?
Dec 16 04:02:28 <|Shay|> Its pretty annoying, as that makes any static leasing impossible
Dec 16 04:04:27 <mranostay> |Shay|: yes
Dec 16 04:04:45 <mranostay> it is a USB device and has no actually MAC on eeprom
Dec 16 04:04:52 <mranostay> so it is totally random
Dec 16 04:05:03 <mranostay> you can set it with a custom bootargs in uboot
Dec 16 04:05:55 <TheBurrito> optargs=”ethaddr=00:11:22:33:44:66″
Dec 16 04:06:00 <aholler_> btw. does the beaglebone come with fixed MACs?
Dec 16 04:06:06 <|Shay|> TheBurrito: / mranostay Thank you
Dec 16 04:06:23 <|Shay|> Pointers on adding custom bootargs for newbs like myself?
Dec 16 04:06:50 <TheBurrito> U have a uEnv.txt on your boot card?
Dec 16 04:07:04 <|Shay|> I will look, hold on please.
Dec 16 04:07:32 <|Shay|> Yes
Dec 16 04:07:38 <|Shay|> Add it in there somewhere at the end?
Dec 16 04:07:40 <TheBurrito> you can set it in there
Dec 16 04:07:52 <|Shay|> Okay. 
Dec 16 04:08:06 <TheBurrito> if there's a line that says boot, it has to go before that
Dec 16 04:08:20 <TheBurrito> brb dog needs to go out
Dec 16 04:08:31 <|Shay|> *nods* note to self
Dec 16 04:11:35 <mranostay> aholler_: fixed?
Dec 16 04:12:01 <mranostay> er the BB not BBxM has no "on board" ethernet
Dec 16 04:12:20 <aholler_> I'm talking about the bone
Dec 16 04:12:36 <|Shay|> mranostay: the BBxM has builtin Lan o.O
Dec 16 04:12:47 <|Shay|> oops, misread
Dec 16 04:12:49 <mranostay> |Shay|: yes i know i have i one :)
Dec 16 04:12:49 <|Shay|> nvm
Dec 16 04:12:54 <|Shay|> Mah bad
Dec 16 04:13:23 <mranostay> aholler_: yeah it is fixed as it i "real" PHY not USB to ethernet 
Dec 16 04:13:37 <aholler_> and giving usb-eth's a fixed mac isn't a problem too
Dec 16 04:14:23 <mranostay> no hence the bootargs
Dec 16 04:14:26 <mdp> Yeah, that's a completely arbitrary driver author decision to default to a random mac
Dec 16 04:14:53 <aholler_> I assume it just was a managing or price factor that the xm doesn't come with fixed macs
Dec 16 04:14:58 <mranostay> on my setup i just set a static ip and not care about the MAC
Dec 16 04:15:00 <mdp> It's been common for years to save cost by not putting an eeprom on board
Dec 16 04:16:39 <mdp> aholler_, i had to go back and look at the i2c eeprom spec for bone, i see we don't have a field for mac address
Dec 16 04:16:53 <aholler_> adding a sticker with a (real) mac would have been enough ;)
Dec 16 04:17:29 <mranostay> mdp: can't use the iSerial to set a "non-random" mac?
Dec 16 04:17:40 <mranostay> or is that not unique on the SMSC part?
Dec 16 04:18:02 <mdp> Tell you what, i'll sell you de:ad:be:ef:00:00 for $5...paypal account incoming
Dec 16 04:18:13 <jay6981> heh
Dec 16 04:20:12 <mdp> mranostay, i just recall some arbitrary deision that usb macs didn't deserve real mac addresses.
Dec 16 04:20:28 <mranostay> heh i would love to see this thread :)
Dec 16 04:20:49 <mdp> When various patchez were under rev9ew...hopefully it was resolved after i quit reading
Dec 16 04:21:04 <aholler_> hmm, deadbe is yours?
Dec 16 04:22:57 <mdp> deadpork is better but is clearly only applicable in a different numbering xystem
Dec 16 04:24:04 <mranostay> er what base is that? :)
Dec 16 04:24:12 <jay6981> base26
Dec 16 04:24:18 <mdp> mranostay, when are you getting an adafruit 1.8" lcd? All the cool kids have them
Dec 16 04:24:47 <mranostay> heh
Dec 16 04:25:14 <mranostay> only $25?
Dec 16 04:26:03 <mranostay> jay6981: wouldn't that be base36?  26 letters + 10 digits?
Dec 16 04:26:37 <jay6981> well i didn't see any numbers in deadpork 
Dec 16 04:27:06 <mranostay> ok i'm reading the wiki page on hexavigesimal
Dec 16 04:27:57 <mdp> hexabaconable
Dec 16 04:28:57 <mdp> mranostay, i'm an underpaid adafruit marketing guy
Dec 16 04:29:53 <mranostay> mdp: trying to upsell this Bone? :)
Dec 16 04:30:39 <mdp> Heh
Dec 16 04:31:09 <mdp> Not even really my "product"...i just work nearby
Dec 16 04:32:19 <mranostay> heh if order $225 i get a free soldering badge?
Dec 16 04:32:37 <mranostay> i'l have to dig out my old BSA uniform in Ohio :P
Dec 16 04:33:21 <mdp> Heh
Dec 16 04:36:51 <mdp> Real beagles need attention...bbt
Dec 16 04:39:15 * mranostay check clock and is thinking that is good idea as well
Dec 16 04:59:58 <TheBurrito> Alright time to set the C4 back to Ubuntu and attempt the ROS install again
Dec 16 05:40:57 * Russ gets frustrated with having to deal with tarballs out of private git repos...
Dec 16 05:58:19 <TheBurrito> o.0
Dec 16 08:06:30 <ds2> hmmm looks like no SCALE for me
Dec 16 08:07:50 <av500> how 'bout RATE?
Dec 16 08:28:13 <LetoThe2nd> möin
Dec 16 08:51:46 <Patrick2011> hello, i have beagleboard xm rev c. I have installed angstrom on it but it couldn't detect my USB bluetooth dongle. Is there any suggestion to this issue? :)
Dec 16 08:54:10 <Patrick2011>  hello, i have beagleboard xm rev c. I have installed angstrom on it but it couldn't detect my USB bluetooth dongle. Is there any suggestion to this issue? :)
Dec 16 08:55:16 <LetoThe2nd> koen: peeeng
Dec 16 08:56:40 <av500> Patrick2011: which angstrom?
Dec 16 08:56:47 <av500> pastebin a full boot log
Dec 16 08:56:56 <av500> make sure you use latest MLO and uboot
Dec 16 08:57:58 <koen> LetoThe2nd: pöng
Dec 16 08:58:11 <av500> koen: fosdem?
Dec 16 08:58:52 <LetoThe2nd> koen: howdy. tried to poke i2c on the bone yesterday, but failed miserably :/
Dec 16 08:59:43 <av500> LetoThe2nd: its just 2 GPIOs and a few lines of code
Dec 16 08:59:56 <koen> av500: need to see if there's travel budget, it's crowded with linaro connect, elc, fosdem, etc
Dec 16 09:00:07 <LetoThe2nd> av500: its just a dev node i wanted to use with the i2cxyz tool family
Dec 16 09:00:15 <av500> koen: but bb has no booth ordered?
Dec 16 09:00:31 <amossam> good morning! to anyone usign beagleboard-xm rev. C; what kernel are you using? i find Angstrom 3.0.8+ to be unstable, and currently on 2.6.32 from angstrom.
Dec 16 09:00:32 <av500> LetoThe2nd: shall we apply for a "professionals" booth?
Dec 16 09:01:04 <LetoThe2nd> av500: totally yes. professional embedded development and trolling services. order three developers and get one troll free!
Dec 16 09:01:27 <Patrick2011> av500: okay sure. give me a minute. I prebuilt it from narciuss website, so it should be on the latest MLO and uboot.. 
Dec 16 09:01:47 <av500> Patrick2011: in that case, glare at koen
Dec 16 09:04:14 <Patrick2011> then can i ask if any USB bluetooth dongle would work on angstrom BB? 
Dec 16 09:04:17 <av500> LetoThe2nd: or we hang out at the embedded dev room and fire snide remarks from the balcony
Dec 16 09:04:47 <av500> waldorf and statler ftw
Dec 16 09:05:39 <LetoThe2nd> av500: yay!
Dec 16 09:06:20 <LetoThe2nd> koen: most, i found several stuff conencted to the bus labeled i2c-1, whereas on the schematics i only found one eeprom labeled MAC...
Dec 16 09:08:15 <doublebeta> Snide remarks?
Dec 16 09:08:20 <doublebeta> I'm liking where this is going
Dec 16 09:08:32 <LetoThe2nd> if you..., you are not an embedded developer ;)
Dec 16 09:09:04 <doublebeta> eh?
Dec 16 09:09:22 <LetoThe2nd> nevermind, running gag
Dec 16 09:09:29 <doublebeta> righto
Dec 16 09:09:37 <doublebeta> This channel sure has a lot of inside jokes
Dec 16 09:10:00 <LetoThe2nd> was absolutely not channel related, more like omap folks ;)
Dec 16 09:10:29 <doublebeta> ah, sorry.
Dec 16 09:11:19 <LetoThe2nd> hehe, no worries
Dec 16 09:12:51 <Patrick2011> then can i ask if any USB bluetooth dongle would work on angstrom BB? 
Dec 16 09:17:59 <Patrick2011> helllo?
Dec 16 09:18:22 <doublebeta> No, it would require an open source Linux driver.
Dec 16 09:18:31 <doublebeta> Or at least an ARM driver
Dec 16 09:18:39 <doublebeta> put simply, good luck
Dec 16 09:19:11 <Patrick2011> doublebeta: Thanks! I will try to look for the open source Linux Driver then... :) 
Dec 16 09:21:03 <koen> LetoThe2nd: try i2c2, iirc i2c1 is muxed to CAN
Dec 16 09:21:30 <koen> LetoThe2nd: and keep off-by-one errors in mind, linux and hw people count differently
Dec 16 09:21:46 <LetoThe2nd> koen: ah kay. need to patch the thing first then :( thought maybe the config shipped with it would be fine.
Dec 16 09:21:47 <koen> av500: I've been typing 'rats' a lot lately :)
Dec 16 09:22:45 <LetoThe2nd> koen: strange is, i found 2 24c256 eeproms on the bus, an rtc, and something i don't even remember anymore. (addresses were 0x0035, 0x0040, 0x0050, 0x0051)
Dec 16 09:23:16 <av500> koen: yeah, they are everywhere...
Dec 16 09:23:36 <koen> LetoThe2nd: isn't that i2c0 ?
Dec 16 09:25:07 <LetoThe2nd> koen: yeah, but where does the second 24c256 at 0x0051 come from?
Dec 16 09:26:08 <LetoThe2nd> (and the whole rest anyways... it that on-chip stuff?)
Dec 16 09:26:22 <LetoThe2nd> i admit i havent dived into the TRM yet.
Dec 16 11:07:32 <tsolov> hello
Dec 16 11:07:56 <tsolov> I'm new to beagle board
Dec 16 11:08:08 <tsolov> and I would like to ask a question
Dec 16 11:08:11 <av500> ask
Dec 16 11:09:09 <tsolov> I compiled linux 2.6.35 and saved it on MMC card with u-boot and MLO images
Dec 16 11:09:16 <tsolov> I created a root partion as well
Dec 16 11:09:20 <tsolov> using Angstrom
Dec 16 11:09:30 <tsolov> and I managed to boot from the MMC card
Dec 16 11:09:48 <tsolov> but when I type I got two symbols
Dec 16 11:09:54 <tsolov> eoh
Dec 16 11:10:02 <tsolov> I forgot to mention
Dec 16 11:10:10 <tsolov> that I connect through USB serial
Dec 16 11:10:28 <tsolov> that I connect through USB serial
Dec 16 11:10:39 <tsolov> sorry
Dec 16 11:10:45 <sundar> you need to setup your serial baud rate correctly
Dec 16 11:11:03 <sundar> 115200n8
Dec 16 11:11:08 <tsolov> fsorry connecting with ttyUSB0 is for my second question
Dec 16 11:11:15 <tsolov> so I connect with ttyS0
Dec 16 11:11:15 <sundar> from your console like minicom 
Dec 16 11:11:22 <tsolov> and when I type I get two symbols
Dec 16 11:11:52 <tsolov> yes
Dec 16 11:12:01 <tsolov> I tried minicom microcom gtkcom
Dec 16 11:12:01 <sundar> what console application are you using?
Dec 16 11:12:21 <sundar> with minicom, you can setup by starting "minicom -s"
Dec 16 11:12:26 <tsolov> I started to wonder whether does it matter that I'm using 64bit ubuntu 10.04
Dec 16 11:12:37 <sundar> and specify serial port settings in the menu
Dec 16 11:12:49 <tsolov> yes I do that
Dec 16 11:12:52 <sundar> no it shouldn't matter with the OS
Dec 16 11:12:58 <tsolov> I can see the kernel booting
Dec 16 11:13:03 <tsolov> and I can boot as root
Dec 16 11:13:20 <tsolov> but on screen I always see two character when I press 1
Dec 16 11:13:30 <av500> local echo?
Dec 16 11:13:34 <tsolov> if I enable echo i see 3 characters
Dec 16 11:13:34 <sundar> maybe echo
Dec 16 11:13:50 <av500> shaky fingers?
Dec 16 11:14:09 <tsolov> I don't know what that mean
Dec 16 11:14:16 <sundar> lol
Dec 16 11:14:19 <tsolov> if you mean little squears yes
Dec 16 11:14:32 <tsolov> but mostly symbols with question marks
Dec 16 11:14:36 <sundar> cos we all see two letters here for each of your key presses
Dec 16 11:15:10 <av500> maybe he is on a dual core?
Dec 16 11:15:15 <sundar> bbuutt mmoossttllyy << like this
Dec 16 11:15:19 <sundar> probably yes
Dec 16 11:15:46 <tsolov> yes I'm on dual core
Dec 16 11:15:58 <av500> ah, that explains it
Dec 16 11:16:28 <sundar> well my old pentium has only half
Dec 16 11:16:51 <sundar> now i know why i got half ascii symbols never appeared on screen
Dec 16 11:17:05 <tsolov> so does this that I'm using dual core messes with my serial output ?
Dec 16 11:18:21 <sundar> tsolov, there is something wrong with your console. try to fix it
Dec 16 11:18:37 <tsolov> how ?
Dec 16 11:19:26 <sundar> you have to figure that out
Dec 16 11:20:19 <tsolov> ok I'll try
Dec 16 11:20:20 <tsolov> second question
Dec 16 11:20:31 <tsolov> why when I connect with ttyUSB0
Dec 16 11:20:38 <tsolov> I can't send anything
Dec 16 11:20:49 <tsolov> I just stay at login prompt
Dec 16 11:20:57 <tsolov> and I can't login
Dec 16 11:20:58 <sundar> because your USB serial cable was not connected
Dec 16 11:21:07 <tsolov> I can't send any symbol
Dec 16 11:21:19 <av500> something is wrong with your serial connection
Dec 16 11:21:23 <sundar> maybe you are using a chinese keyboard?
Dec 16 11:21:35 <sundar> with chinese characters
Dec 16 11:21:40 <tsolov> no us
Dec 16 11:21:57 <tsolov> no it's connected
Dec 16 11:22:21 <tsolov> i get whats happening to beagelboard
Dec 16 11:22:34 <tsolov> and I see that it waits to login
Dec 16 11:22:34 <sundar> did you test your board with the demo image?
Dec 16 11:22:37 <tsolov> but I can't
Dec 16 11:23:16 <sundar> the image that came along with the board
Dec 16 11:23:22 <tsolov> the board was working for other of my colleges
Dec 16 11:23:42 <tsolov> the only difference between me and them is that I'm on 64bit Ubuntu
Dec 16 11:23:53 <av500> the board probably works, but your serial does not
Dec 16 11:24:24 <sundar> is that a different serial cable that you are using now?
Dec 16 11:24:34 <sundar> with the 64bit machine
Dec 16 11:24:41 <tsolov> I'm using the same equipment as them
Dec 16 11:26:06 <tsolov> and now I'm at dead end
Dec 16 11:27:33 <tsolov> do you have any other ideas ?
Dec 16 11:27:48 <av500> get the serial working
Dec 16 11:27:59 <av500> disconnect the beagle and connect pin 2 and 3
Dec 16 11:28:01 <tsolov> yes
Dec 16 11:28:09 <av500> then you should get an echo
Dec 16 11:28:21 <av500> what BB do you have?
Dec 16 11:28:27 <tsolov> with echo I see 3 symbols
Dec 16 11:28:31 <tsolov> 3530
Dec 16 11:29:14 <av500> tsolov: no, hardware echo
Dec 16 11:29:17 <av500> connect pin 2 and 3
Dec 16 11:29:47 <av500> you have a beagle with the 10pin connector for the serial?
Dec 16 11:29:54 <av500> in that case, also check the cabling
Dec 16 11:30:03 <av500> people love to get that wrong
Dec 16 11:30:11 <tsolov> yes I do
Dec 16 11:30:19 <av500> then you can only see the output, but not type
Dec 16 11:30:45 <tsolov> ok i'll try
Dec 16 11:31:09 <tsolov> but right now I don't have anything to connect them but later I will
Dec 16 11:31:41 <tsolov> any other suggestions why this happen
Dec 16 11:31:55 <av500> one suggestion is enough, your serial cabling is wrong
Dec 16 11:32:01 <av500> you dont have a paper clip?
Dec 16 11:32:12 <av500> you dont watch McGuyver?
Dec 16 11:32:15 <tsolov> no I don't
Dec 16 11:32:26 <tsolov> :D
Dec 16 11:32:38 <tsolov> I tried with 3 different serial cables
Dec 16 11:32:44 <tsolov> that worked for my coleges
Dec 16 11:33:03 <sundar> it worked even without a serial cable for me
Dec 16 11:33:40 <tsolov> sundar, just to be sure that I got you right
Dec 16 11:33:47 <tsolov> you see my typing doubled ?
Dec 16 11:33:51 <tsolov> even here ?
Dec 16 11:34:08 <sundar> you just need a virtual console onscreen
Dec 16 11:34:16 <av500> tsolov: no
Dec 16 11:34:21 <av500> that was a joke
Dec 16 11:34:44 <tsolov> ok
Dec 16 11:34:47 <sundar> :)
Dec 16 11:35:02 <tsolov> I believed you
Dec 16 11:35:06 <tsolov> got me there :D
Dec 16 11:35:25 <sundar> lol and there is nohting to do with the number of cores too
Dec 16 11:35:55 <tsolov> can it be that it have something to do that the kernel on beagel is 32bit and on my desktop is 64bit ?
Dec 16 11:36:05 <sundar> no doesnt matter
Dec 16 11:36:06 <av500> no
Dec 16 11:36:12 <av500> since the beagle does not know that
Dec 16 11:38:10 <sundar> it doesn't matter as in a male and female can talk to each other
Dec 16 11:40:10 <sundar> tsolov, if your desktop has a serial port, connect your USB serial converter, make a loopback test
Dec 16 11:40:43 <av500> connect pins 2+3
Dec 16 11:40:48 <av500> much easier
Dec 16 11:41:12 <sundar> yes if you have got a short paper clip
Dec 16 11:41:59 <sundar> beware it could generate a shock
Dec 16 11:42:17 <av500> culture shock?
Dec 16 11:42:25 <sundar> of 5 volts
Dec 16 11:43:04 <tsolov> that was odd
Dec 16 11:43:12 <tsolov> I had this problem yesterday
Dec 16 11:43:15 <tsolov> and today too
Dec 16 11:43:31 <sundar> well you will get it tomorrow too
Dec 16 11:43:47 <tsolov> and now I switched to serial connection to show one college this problem
Dec 16 11:43:52 <tsolov> and now it was ok
Dec 16 11:44:17 <tsolov> I did nothing
Dec 16 11:44:26 <sundar> lol 
Dec 16 11:44:28 <tsolov> but it fixed itself
Dec 16 11:44:31 <tsolov> why ???
Dec 16 11:45:16 <sundar> well it may happen again
Dec 16 11:45:20 <sundar> sometime later
Dec 16 11:45:25 <tsolov> I don't like it when it fixes itself
Dec 16 11:45:34 <tsolov> anyway
Dec 16 11:45:41 <tsolov> thanks for your help
Dec 16 11:45:56 <tsolov> if I have another problem I'll come back to ask again
Dec 16 11:46:01 <tsolov> thanks
Dec 16 11:46:04 <sundar> np
Dec 16 11:46:24 <sundar> thank your serial cable cos that is the one that fixed the problem :)
Dec 16 12:10:06 <koen> debian on beagleboard: U-Boot 1.3.3 (Jul 10 2008 - 16:33:09)
Dec 16 12:11:11 <ogra_> shudder
Dec 16 12:20:18 <av500> koen: at least they used the 16:33 version, the 12:09 was much worse
Dec 16 12:22:11 <ogra_> lol
Dec 16 12:22:45 <ogra_> a memory like an elephant ...
Dec 16 12:23:15 <ogra_> i bet you still remember what you had for lunch between the two builds, right ?
Dec 16 12:23:27 <av500> its in the release notes
Dec 16 12:24:20 <ynezz> stable is stable :p
Dec 16 12:28:16 <zumbi_> troll
Dec 16 12:28:34 <zumbi_>  u-boot | 2010.06-1 | squeeze | source, amd64, armel, i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc
Dec 16 12:28:37 <zumbi_>  u-boot | 2011.03-6 | wheezy  | source, amd64, armel, i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, sparc
Dec 16 12:28:40 <zumbi_>  u-boot | 2011.09-2 | sid     | source, amd64, armel, hurd-i386, i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, sparc
Dec 16 12:31:25 <koen> zumbi_: go tell the guy on the mailinglist that the output on his screen is wrong
Dec 16 12:32:25 <ogra_> or tell him to upgrade from woody ;)
Dec 16 14:31:39 <sakoman_> koen: any updates on SGX SDK for post 3.0 kernels?
Dec 16 14:32:05 <smithw101> Has anyone been able to build the cloud9 image for any beagle successfully?  (specifically beaglebone)
Dec 16 14:33:40 <koen> sakoman_: not much, we discovered other issues that we're going to fix in the existing recipes
Dec 16 14:34:55 <sakoman_> koen: will those fixes result in working sgx on 35xx?
Dec 16 14:39:37 <koen> sakoman_: for 3517 certainly, oterh 35xx is uncertain
Dec 16 14:40:48 <sakoman_> koen: let me know when the fix is in and I will test on the other 35XX variants (and 37XX too just to be sure it didn't break)
Dec 16 14:44:05 <koen> sakoman_: will do
Dec 16 14:51:12 * mdp wonders if a telephony cape would result in a beaglephone(tm)
Dec 16 14:52:06 <koen> heh
Dec 16 14:52:58 * mdp senses jkridner is bouncing with excitement at this awesome idea
Dec 16 14:53:03 <koen> mdp: I'm getting a few broken heartmonitors (well, the optic bloodflow ones that clip onto your earlobe) to repair and I am going to try hooking those up to the bone ADC
Dec 16 14:58:45 <mdp> very cool
Dec 16 15:02:13 <smithw101> NOTE package nodejs-native-0.4.12-r0: task do_populate_sysroot: Failed --  http://pastebin.com/fRJgx85C  any ideas?
Dec 16 15:02:28 <smithw101> I've had no luck in #oe, hoping someone here has seen it
Dec 16 15:07:38 <smithw101> koen: Saw your blog about i2c weather instruments … very interesting, I'm trying to get i2c-gpio
Dec 16 15:10:55 * jkridner has been bouncing for weeks.
Dec 16 15:10:56 <koen> hmmm
Dec 16 15:10:59 <koen> "/home/wsmith/Work/beaglebone/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2010_x-eglibc/work/x86_64-linux/nodejs-native-0.4.12-r0/sysroot-destdir///home/wsmith/Work/beaglebone/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2010_x-eglibc/sysroots/x86_64-linux:"
Dec 16 15:11:08 <koen> that looks like a concatenation problem
Dec 16 15:13:32 <mdp> jkridner, ok, then, my only requirement for use of the idea is that you look happy when you present it in the video :)
Dec 16 15:14:17 <jkridner> that's a tough one.  can I just bounce instead?
Dec 16 15:14:39 <jkridner> beagle is in a pretty nice shape for a phone. :)
Dec 16 15:15:32 <smithw101> Someone on #oe said the same thing, he had seen it but never been able to fix it
Dec 16 15:15:52 <smithw101> koen: Some variables that didn't expand
Dec 16 15:18:45 * jkridner sent a form to the mailing list requesting folks register their cape ideas.
Dec 16 15:20:46 * koen is a good boy and has filled it out
Dec 16 15:23:23 * jkridner forgot to say that the output URL will be made public.
Dec 16 15:23:36 * jkridner wonders if that is a problem with e-mail addresses.
Dec 16 15:28:29 <koen> jkridner: robotarm picture from roger is now up at g+
Dec 16 15:36:07 <jkridner> k, the bb.org RSS feed is down again because the guy that was doing the g+ --> RSS feed conversion app used up his free Google bandwidth and is pissed about how expensive it is.
Dec 16 15:36:20 <jkridner> I'm in the process of debugging my own version of the service.
Dec 16 16:01:48 <jkridner> has anyone here looked at the BeagleBone starter ware?
Dec 16 16:05:29 <av500> at the website, yes
Dec 16 16:07:19 <jkridner> :)
Dec 16 16:07:32 <jkridner> not so far as downloading it and trying to use it?
Dec 16 16:09:59 <av500> I could burn a CD and upload a picture of it on flickr :)
Dec 16 16:21:04 <smithw101> jkridner: By starterware you mean what's on the micro-SD cards?
Dec 16 16:21:47 <jkridner> no, http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/StarterWare
Dec 16 16:22:35 <jkridner> downloadable over the serial port w/o a microSD card required.
Dec 16 16:22:38 <jkridner> runs on-chip.
Dec 16 16:23:42 <koen> jkridner: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/TnU6fuuq6Uz
Dec 16 16:24:22 <av500> koen: so, you have been firmly pulled over to the dark side :)
Dec 16 16:24:40 <jkridner> cool.
Dec 16 16:25:43 <aholler> oh, something new, a no-OS ;)
Dec 16 16:25:59 <av500> and its not uboot :)
Dec 16 16:27:31 <aholler> I always wanted usable non-operating electronics
Dec 16 16:28:04 <av500> I did 6 generations of mp3 and pmp players without an OS
Dec 16 16:28:23 <aholler> so they were non-operating too?
Dec 16 16:28:30 <av500> mostly
Dec 16 16:30:54 <aholler> mini-os: int main(void) { for(;;) { task1(); task2(); } return 0; }
Dec 16 16:30:56 <aholler> ;)
Dec 16 16:31:19 <av500> nah, all tasks were in IRQs
Dec 16 16:32:10 <av500> with IRQ nesting for priorities :)=
Dec 16 16:32:13 <aholler> stack horror ;)
Dec 16 16:32:34 <av500> not really
Dec 16 16:32:56 <av500> I googled some nested IRQ handler for arm and that worked
Dec 16 16:33:46 <aholler> remembers me on my first thingy with an 6502 or similiar, had just 256byte and I needed 120 for functionality and had some problems to be sure the other 120bytes weren't eaten by stacked irqs
Dec 16 16:34:07 <aholler> s/stacked/nested/
Dec 16 16:34:08 <av500> well, this was a 32bit SH-1
Dec 16 16:34:21 <av500> with 256k at the start
Dec 16 16:35:25 <aholler> with those small avrs it's easy too to eat the available memory.
Dec 16 16:35:38 <av500> sure
Dec 16 16:36:10 <aholler> avrx as os is nice there
Dec 16 16:36:30 <aholler> but I assume it would be called no-os here ;)
Dec 16 16:38:12 <aholler> never heard 'no-os' before ;)
Dec 16 16:38:47 <av500> its like nosql
Dec 16 16:44:15 <smithw101> jkridner: You said in #beaglebone that you worked on the cloud9 recipe.  I'm having trouble getting it to complete, it's failing on nodejs
Dec 16 16:44:36 <smithw101> jkridner: NOTE package nodejs-native-0.4.12-r0: task do_populate_sysroot: Failed --  http://pastebin.com/fRJgx85C
Dec 16 16:44:39 <jkridner> k.
Dec 16 16:45:47 <smithw101> jkridner: Jin^eLD on #oe suggested adding the following file to the ./setup-scripts/sources/meta-openembedded/meta-oe/recipes-devtools/nodejs/ directory:  https://gitorious.digitalstrom.org/dss-oe/dss-oe/blobs/master/dS/meta-dss11-testing/recipes-devtools/nodejs/nodejs_0.4.12.bbappend
Dec 16 16:45:51 <aholler> maybe avrx would be nice for the bone too. it hasn't that much source.
Dec 16 16:46:00 <jkridner> hmmm.... seems that something is wrong with the tarball?
Dec 16 16:46:58 <jkridner> wouldn't you want to just patch the main .bb file?
Dec 16 16:48:07 <smithw101> jkridner: I'm a total noob with oe, I've moving off AVR32/buildroot to beaglebone/Angstrom/OE so I don't yet know what's best! 
Dec 16 16:48:34 <smithw101> jkridner: As far as I can tell, it just adds --destdir and PRINC=1
Dec 16 16:50:31 <jkridner> koen: you've built nodejs recently, yes?
Dec 16 16:50:41 <jkridner> my local linux machine where I did my builds is currently down.
Dec 16 16:51:14 * jkridner looks at the HDD, USB adapter and MacBook Air
Dec 16 16:51:24 * jkridner starts wiring.
Dec 16 16:55:09 <koen> jkridner: yes
Dec 16 16:55:24 <jkridner> 32-bit machine?
Dec 16 16:55:49 <jkridner> smithw101: are you using a 64-bit machine?  (not implying that could be the issue, just curious)
Dec 16 16:55:58 <koen> debian/64 fedora/64 and fedora/32
Dec 16 16:55:58 <jkridner> er, by machine, I mean OS.
Dec 16 16:56:02 <smithw101> I'm building on Ubuntu 11.10, 64-bit.  I reset my environment last night, so it's latest and greatest code
Dec 16 16:59:01 <smithw101> jkridner: The purpose of this is to enable i2c_gpio in the kernel via bitbake -c menuconfig
Dec 16 16:59:36 <smithw101> jkridner: otherwise, I'd stick with the stock distribution on the SD card which has worked very well aside from i2c issues
Dec 16 16:59:47 <jkridner> k.  you know, you could rebuild the kernel and just replace that on the SD card.
Dec 16 16:59:54 <jkridner> but, I agree that is only short-term.
Dec 16 17:04:03 <smithw101> jkridner: Good point!  Although my code that I'm porting from avr32 uses i2c-dev and needs the i2c-dev and i2c-gpio modules.  So I need to also move those
Dec 16 17:04:24 <smithw101> jkridner: I would like to get the whole cloud9/nodejs thing working though
Dec 16 17:05:12 <jkridner> right. just gives a bit of time to try to research the failure.
Dec 16 17:05:47 * jkridner is trying to get USB->HDD adapter to be recognized by VM.
Dec 16 17:06:02 <av500> you want to do a compile job over usb2hdd?
Dec 16 17:08:01 <LetoThe2nd> av500: you've been bored to death today's morning, right? ;)
Dec 16 17:15:17 <jkridner> just want to avoid downloading all the bits again.
Dec 16 17:16:37 <av500> LetoThe2nd: ?
Dec 16 17:17:24 <LetoThe2nd> av500: what else might be the reason to invent something like the invisicape?
Dec 16 17:17:51 <av500> I was working on that for a few months now...
Dec 16 17:19:01 <LetoThe2nd> av500: are you maybe confusing "work" with "poking koen for exact steps"?
Dec 16 17:19:59 <av500> LetoThe2nd: that bot that only says: go to angstrom website and follow 1,2,3?
Dec 16 17:20:34 <LetoThe2nd> av500: can you please show me the codes for "go to angstrom website2?
Dec 16 17:20:40 <aholler> armstrong
Dec 16 17:21:02 <LetoThe2nd> aholler: yay lets fork it!
Dec 16 17:21:13 <aholler> wasn't my idea ;)
Dec 16 17:21:24 <aholler> but I like that name
Dec 16 17:22:10 <av500> ramstrong
Dec 16 17:23:39 <XorA> we decided long ago its ANGST rom :-)
Dec 16 17:24:13 <LetoThe2nd> hrhr
Dec 16 17:24:32 <XorA> hence my Cacko ANGSTrom years ago for the Zaurus
Dec 16 17:47:37 <LetoThe2nd> are the adcs on the bone expansion headers enabled/accesible by default?
Dec 16 17:49:09 <koen> with the most recent kernel, yes
Dec 16 17:49:15 <koen> with the kernel on the SD card, no
Dec 16 17:50:10 <LetoThe2nd> koen: ah kay. atm the oebb with MACHINE=beaglebone is in progress, from a current clone. there things should be working then?
Dec 16 17:50:28 * av500 thinks the sdcard should only uboot and then get ALL SW from the intertubes
Dec 16 17:51:18 <LetoThe2nd> hrhr
Dec 16 17:51:51 <Tartarus> av500: Only because it'll be a while before there's better u-boot :(
Dec 16 17:58:57 <smithw101> jkridner:  BTW: retrying nodejs with nodejs_0.4.12.bbappend doesn't help (I didn't think it would)
Dec 16 18:21:32 <smithw101> jkridner,koen: Do you know where that /// in the sysroot-destdir path comes from?
Dec 16 18:25:29 <smithw101> I guess I mean where is that string constructed?  So I can find the missing values ...
Dec 16 18:27:56 <jkridner> I don't know, but I'd take a look at the directory that has all of the shell scripts that get output.
Dec 16 19:15:10 <ds2> Hmm
Dec 16 19:17:01 <woglinde> hm
Dec 16 19:26:06 * Russ throws the channel some more m's mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Dec 16 19:26:14 <ka6sox-away> mmmmmm
Dec 16 19:26:27 <Stormbytes> hello folks
Dec 16 19:28:56 <Stormbytes> just got the Bone
Dec 16 19:29:08 <Stormbytes> damn this thing's the size of an Arduino
Dec 16 19:30:02 <Stormbytes> ethernet cable plugged into the router, powered via USB, how do I get the demo/main page to load?
Dec 16 19:30:42 <woglinde> ?
Dec 16 19:30:58 <Stormbytes> docs say its running somekind of web server
Dec 16 19:31:13 <Stormbytes> and I'm guessing there's a utility screen or demo/welcome page of some sort
Dec 16 19:31:32 <woglinde> find out the webserver port
Dec 16 19:32:48 <Stormbytes> i have the IP address (just guessed it!) but all i see is this: http://imagebin.org/188906
Dec 16 19:33:18 <Stormbytes> docs say: bone101 (port 80) - small server written in node.js serving up an intro presentation
Dec 16 19:33:48 <woglinde> how about going to cgi-bin?
Dec 16 19:33:53 <Stormbytes> tried it
Dec 16 19:33:54 <Stormbytes> nada
Dec 16 19:34:07 <woglinde> than I guess its not there
Dec 16 19:34:16 <Stormbytes> hmm weird
Dec 16 19:34:27 <Stormbytes> is there a synaptic pkg man that comes with this thing?
Dec 16 19:34:32 <Stormbytes> no aptget
Dec 16 19:34:42 <woglinde> how about pkg?
Dec 16 19:34:44 <woglinde> ups opkg
Dec 16 19:35:02 <Stormbytes> ah
Dec 16 19:38:16 <Stormbytes> hehe ok
Dec 16 19:38:23 <Stormbytes> this thing's not quite the arduino :)
Dec 16 19:38:32 <jay6981> just a bit more complicated
Dec 16 19:38:45 <Stormbytes> yeah... just a tad
Dec 16 19:43:17 <Stormbytes> oh boy...
Dec 16 19:43:24 <Stormbytes> learning curve vertigo
Dec 16 19:44:25 <Stormbytes> the package insert (beaglebone) calls for connecting the board directly to a "Linux PC" via USB (for power) and to the ethernet port
Dec 16 19:44:43 <woglinde> ?
Dec 16 19:44:46 <Stormbytes> I'm on a Macbook, which sort of qualifies as a "Linux PC"
Dec 16 19:45:14 <aholler> never ;)
Dec 16 19:45:34 <ka6sox-away> for infantessimal values of "qualifies"
Dec 16 19:45:44 <Stormbytes> hehe
Dec 16 19:45:46 <jay6981> it's a unix machine at least
Dec 16 19:45:53 <Stormbytes> indeed
Dec 16 19:45:55 <jay6981> close enough for government work :P
Dec 16 19:52:33 <Stormbytes> wow.. the docs for the bb sucks pretty bad
Dec 16 19:57:31 <smithw101> Stormbytes: When you connect it via USB, one of the partitions shows up as a USB disk.  The docs are on that
Dec 16 19:57:59 <Stormbytes> I'm kind of getting that now
Dec 16 19:58:01 <smithw101> Stormbytes: You will also have issues with the Serial-over-USB with the drivers included in the package
Dec 16 19:58:06 <Stormbytes> installing FTDI drivers
Dec 16 19:58:15 <Stormbytes> i downloaded them off the site
Dec 16 19:58:24 <smithw101> Stormbytes: From FTDI?
Dec 16 19:58:30 <Stormbytes> bb.org
Dec 16 19:58:42 <smithw101> I don't know if they've been updated
Dec 16 19:58:54 <Stormbytes> ughh
Dec 16 19:59:03 <Stormbytes> i'll know in a minute
Dec 16 19:59:09 <smithw101> The first issue is if you're running a 64-bit kernel, it won't load them as they were only 32-bit i386 and ppc
Dec 16 19:59:27 <smithw101> The ones from FTDI are 64-bit, but don't have the right vendor/product ids
Dec 16 19:59:35 <smithw101> But that's easy enough to fix
Dec 16 19:59:50 <Stormbytes> i'm all ears :)
Dec 16 20:01:26 <smithw101> Stormbytes: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.beagleboard.user/25529
Dec 16 20:01:40 <Stormbytes> now we're getting somewhere :)
Dec 16 20:02:12 <smithw101> After you follow this, as this guy found, it didn't immediately work, but for me, I think I disconnected and reconnected the 'bone and it worked
Dec 16 20:03:12 <aholler> hmm, a justified mail, how ugly
Dec 16 20:03:41 <Stormbytes> how do you trash the old ftdi_ser drivers?
Dec 16 20:05:43 <Stormbytes> actually it doesn't appear to load the old drivers so probably irrelevant
Dec 16 20:15:55 <smithw101> Stormbytes: If you go into /System/Library/Extensions, you can just rm -rf the old ftdi_ser kext (with sudo)
Dec 16 20:17:48 <Stormbytes> ok this is really really weird
Dec 16 20:18:14 <Stormbytes> I installed the ftdi_ser drivers, then the new 64bit drivers from FTDI
Dec 16 20:18:28 <Stormbytes> plugged the board back into USB port (and ethernet port)
Dec 16 20:18:36 <Stormbytes> for like 5 minutes nothing happened
Dec 16 20:19:03 <Stormbytes> then I get a popup saying mac can't read the "attached device" (I'm paraphrasing)
Dec 16 20:19:12 <Stormbytes> then it appears in the finder
Dec 16 20:19:26 <Stormbytes> as "/boot"
Dec 16 20:19:41 <Stormbytes> with the u-boot.img file, and a bunch of pdf docs
Dec 16 20:20:05 <Stormbytes> still not recognizing the file system though (can' actually open/access any of the files)
Dec 16 20:22:22 <Stormbytes> and the only thing in /System/Library/Extensions that looks like the FTDI driver is called FTDIUSBSerialDriver.kext
Dec 16 20:22:33 <Stormbytes> and I'm hoping that's not Arduino's FTDI driver
Dec 16 20:22:54 <woglinde_> hi xora
Dec 16 20:23:25 <XorA> woglinde_: yo
Dec 16 20:23:46 <xxiao> who has quad-A9 these days? samsung?
Dec 16 20:24:56 <xxiao> tegra3
Dec 16 20:25:10 <woglinde_> tegra3 yes
Dec 16 20:26:29 <Stormbytes> smithw101 What exactly is the point of connecting to the bb via USB anyway?
Dec 16 20:26:51 <woglinde_> serial console?
Dec 16 20:26:57 <smithw101> Stormbytes: Depends on what you are doing.  For me, I need to see it booting up via the console etc.
Dec 16 20:27:27 <Stormbytes> well, i'm not doing anything at this point :)
Dec 16 20:27:31 <smithw101> Stormbytes: And if you have an errant board that won't connect to the network or something like that
Dec 16 20:27:41 <Stormbytes> oh i see
Dec 16 20:27:54 <Stormbytes> my board connected to the network just fine
Dec 16 20:28:00 <Stormbytes> i ssh'd into it right off the bat
Dec 16 20:28:04 <smithw101> Ah, well in that case!
Dec 16 20:28:13 <Stormbytes> hehe
Dec 16 20:29:04 <Stormbytes> and besides, won't someone will fix this whole mess in coming weeks?
Dec 16 20:30:27 <jkridner> well, that is my plan.  (to fix it early next week)
Dec 16 20:30:38 <jkridner> I've been on the road until yesterday.
Dec 16 20:31:03 <Stormbytes> jkridner are you officially affiliated?
Dec 16 20:31:08 <jkridner> I am back in front of the machine where I assembled the (incorrect) package before.
Dec 16 20:31:10 <jkridner> yeah.
Dec 16 20:31:30 <Stormbytes> oh i see
Dec 16 20:31:40 <Stormbytes> well i mean, i'm happy to wait a bit :)
Dec 16 20:31:57 <aholler> maybe enabling netconsole (or a documentation how to enable it through the kernel-cmdline) could be a good idea too.
Dec 16 20:31:57 <Stormbytes> though I still don't quite get why this whole thing is even necessary (outside of error trapping, debugging, etc)
Dec 16 20:32:21 <Stormbytes> I was under the impression that there was some low-level bios-type utility that could be accessed via USB
Dec 16 20:32:22 <smithw101> jkridner: Do you happen to know what the bitbake recipe is to build the kernel + mods only so I can patch the stock cloud9 image?
Dec 16 20:32:42 <smithw101> Stormbytes: that'd be u-boot
Dec 16 20:32:52 <Stormbytes> ah
Dec 16 20:32:56 <jkridner> the build command is 'bitbake virtual/kernel'
Dec 16 20:33:06 <xxiao> nvidia should release some beagleboard for its tegra3, otherwise it will disappear in a few years
Dec 16 20:33:09 <smithw101> jkridner: thanks
Dec 16 20:33:10 <jkridner> I'll get you a pointer to the recipe.
Dec 16 20:33:19 <xxiao> e.g. tegraboard
Dec 16 20:33:30 <jkridner> http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/tree/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp_3.1.bb
Dec 16 20:33:30 <Stormbytes> thanks for the info smithw101
Dec 16 20:34:15 <smithw101> Stormbytes: No problem!  Glad to be able to help!
Dec 16 20:34:28 <Stormbytes> hehe i hope to make heads or tails of this thing at some point :)
Dec 16 20:34:57 <Stormbytes> i picked up a PIC dev board about 2 years ago and, turns out it makes an awesome paperweight! :) (a bit pricey though..)
Dec 16 20:35:11 <mru> dev boards are funny things
Dec 16 20:35:32 <mru> the most impressive-looking of mine is also by far the least powerful
Dec 16 20:35:34 <Stormbytes> well the one i bought was proprietary so...
Dec 16 20:35:53 <Stormbytes> moved to Arduino, best thing ever :)
Dec 16 20:36:16 <Stormbytes> but ended up buying the bb (over the Phidgets) for more automomous functionality
Dec 16 20:45:26 <aholler> if you like it easy, get a lego nxt
Dec 16 20:48:10 * jkridner kicks beaglebot
Dec 16 20:48:14 <jkridner> :(
Dec 16 20:48:50 <aholler> the pc-sw of the nxt is based on labview and is really good to do basic things.
Dec 16 20:52:31 <aholler> ni could imho be a candidate to get bought by ti ;)
Dec 16 20:57:01 <aholler> but I assume that won't give us free versions of labview to use with one of the beagles ;)
Dec 16 20:57:06 <koen> ka6sox-away: do you know how I can enable cloudkick on emerald? I suspect it never got installed :)
Dec 16 20:57:56 <ka6sox-away> koen, I thought it was...let me find out now.
Dec 16 20:58:08 <ka6sox-away> do you want to be notified as well or just us?
Dec 16 20:58:57 <ka6sox-away> koen it is installed...let me make sure it comes up when the box does.
Dec 16 20:58:59 <koen> either option is fine
Dec 16 20:59:13 <ka6sox-away> kk...it used to come up automatically.
Dec 16 20:59:17 <ka6sox-away> dunno why it isn't now.
Dec 16 21:00:09 <ka6sox-away> ah, the notifications got turned off in the panel, back up now.
Dec 16 21:12:12 <Russ> I recall long ago testing the blob boot loader by running it from RAM before flashing it
Dec 16 21:12:27 <Russ> anyone know if u-boot has similar functionality?
Dec 16 21:13:07 <_av500_> xxiao: why would nv disappear?
Dec 16 21:23:49 <mru> Russ: sure
Dec 16 21:24:08 <mru> just load u-boot.bin at $addr and "go $addr"
Dec 16 21:24:22 <Russ> so it doesn't need to be compiled differently?
Dec 16 21:24:42 <_av500_> for that load adrr
Dec 16 21:25:23 <Russ> what about CONFIG_SYS_RAMBOOT?
Dec 16 21:25:37 <Stormbytes> is there a config utility (like uboot) that's accessible via terminal/ssh?
Dec 16 21:26:08 <Russ> you mean something to program the u-boot env?
Dec 16 21:26:53 <Stormbytes> my understanding (i just received my beagleboard) is that uboot is a bios-like config tool for beagleboard
Dec 16 21:27:13 <Stormbytes> I'm on OSX 10.7 and can't get the FTDI drivers working (waiting for the update)
Dec 16 21:27:20 <_av500_> no
Dec 16 21:27:23 <Stormbytes> so I was wondering if there was some way to get to the config tool via terminal
Dec 16 21:27:23 <Russ> what did you want to configure?
Dec 16 21:27:40 <Stormbytes> oh, well nothing specific, I"m just exploring the board/env
Dec 16 21:28:46 <Russ> u-boot has a set of tools for parsing the flash sector that contains the env
Dec 16 21:28:56 <Stormbytes> oh i see
Dec 16 21:29:11 <Stormbytes> tad over my head ;)
Dec 16 21:29:19 <jay6981> stormbytes: if you have vmware fusion you can install linux and use its FTDI driver
Dec 16 21:29:39 <Stormbytes> jay6981 now there's a thought ;)
Dec 16 21:29:52 <jay6981> that's how I do all my development
Dec 16 21:30:12 * Russ is confused why people don't just do development on linux
Dec 16 21:30:13 <Stormbytes> I was tinkering with Arduino thus far so... no real need
Dec 16 21:30:42 <koen> Russ: I do development on linux, but serial is connected to OSX boxes
Dec 16 21:30:49 <Stormbytes> i'm going to have to dip my feet back in Linux to learn how to develop for embedded
Dec 16 21:30:52 <_av500_> Russ: the novelty hype around it has worn off :)
Dec 16 21:31:05 <Russ> just a fad then?
Dec 16 21:31:11 <Stormbytes> is there some clear-and-simple way to read/write the pins on the bb?
Dec 16 21:31:12 <jay6981> linux sucks on laptops
Dec 16 21:31:29 * Russ stares at his vaio se and gets confused
Dec 16 21:31:44 <jay6981> imagine that… a world where people like different things
Dec 16 21:32:02 <_av500_> how boring :)
Dec 16 21:32:06 <Russ> jay6981, did you read wednesdays' basicinstructions?
Dec 16 21:32:07 <woglinde_> linux on quantum computer suckz too
Dec 16 21:32:29 <Russ> er, that's monday
Dec 16 21:32:30 * Stormbytes downloads Ubuntu 11
Dec 16 21:32:36 * Russ http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2011/12/11/how-to-give-someone-advice-about-a-major-purchase.html
Dec 16 21:33:54 <jay6981> Russ: lol
Dec 16 21:37:49 <Stormbytes> is there some quick-and-dirty way to read/write the beagleboard's pins?
Dec 16 21:37:57 <Stormbytes> just picked this up http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Channels-5V-Relay-Module-Arduino-ARM-PIC-AVR-DSP-/290645897569?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43abd87161#ht_2763wt_961
Dec 16 21:38:11 <Stormbytes> soon i won't have to get up to start a pot of coffee
Dec 16 21:38:13 <jay6981> you probably want to learn how GPIOs work
Dec 16 21:38:50 <Stormbytes> where might i do that (for this board) ?
Dec 16 21:39:36 <jay6981> maybe google for linux gpio howto 
Dec 16 21:39:41 <jay6981> someone here probably has a link
Dec 16 21:39:49 <Stormbytes> ah
Dec 16 21:40:03 <Stormbytes> progress...
Dec 16 21:40:28 <jay6981> learn unix, learn c
Dec 16 21:40:44 <Stormbytes> I was hoping for somekind of prefab API :)
Dec 16 21:40:53 <woglinde_> o.O
Dec 16 21:40:53 <Russ> ok, so whoever wrote omap-u-boot-utils was not familiar with posix...
Dec 16 21:41:06 <woglinde_> russ rewrite it
Dec 16 21:41:40 <Stormbytes> jay6981 unix=linux ?
Dec 16 21:41:47 <jay6981> sorta
Dec 16 21:42:05 <Stormbytes> close enough :)
Dec 16 21:42:08 <woglinde_> macosx is unix too under the hood
Dec 16 21:42:11 <Stormbytes> will have to hunt for some boox
Dec 16 21:42:11 <jay6981> kinda
Dec 16 21:42:26 <Stormbytes> it is but all of the *nix stuff is kind of done for you by the os
Dec 16 21:44:12 <jay6981> i'm sure there's some high level stuff… you can probably control the gpios from the command line
Dec 16 21:44:29 <woglinde_> jay6981 only if the kernel expose them
Dec 16 21:44:41 <jay6981> i think it does in sysfs
Dec 16 21:45:19 * Stormbytes reaches for the Arduino
Dec 16 21:51:23 <Stormbytes> Does the Angstrom distro that comes with the beaglebone expose the GPIO ?
Dec 16 21:51:50 <Stormbytes> I mean.. so as to read/write from the terminal
Dec 16 21:52:29 <woglinde_> look into the kernel-sources
Dec 16 21:52:38 <jay6981> heh
Dec 16 21:52:54 <koen> Stormbytes: short answer: yes
Dec 16 21:53:10 <koen> Stormbytes: jkridner can give you the longer answer involving debugfs and exports :)
Dec 16 21:53:12 * Stormbytes is thinking this is going to be a lot harder then Arduino
Dec 16 21:53:37 <XorA> you dont need debugfs to expose gpio to usespace
Dec 16 21:53:57 <koen> XorA: some gpios aren't muxed properly yet, so it depends on the pin you want to use
Dec 16 21:54:17 <Stormbytes> to dumb this down: What's the terminal command to send a given pin to DigitalHigh?
Dec 16 21:54:45 <Stormbytes> or to perform an analog-read on a pin?
Dec 16 21:54:58 <woglinde_> http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio.txt
Dec 16 21:55:04 <Stormbytes> there's gotta be some high level embedded linux api
Dec 16 21:55:24 <woglinde_> Paths in Sysfs
Dec 16 21:55:38 <XorA> echo XXX >/sys/class/gpio/export
Dec 16 21:55:40 <koen> echo 1 > /sys/class/gpio/gpio<number>/value
Dec 16 21:55:54 <XorA> echo out >/sys/class/gpio/gpioXXX/direction
Dec 16 21:56:00 <koen> digital read: cat /sys/class/gpio/gpio<number>/value
Dec 16 21:56:00 <XorA> then what koen said
Dec 16 21:56:01 <Stormbytes> enter rocket science :)
Dec 16 21:56:50 * XorA ins still a little confused about the role of the bone vs beagle, is it just smaller?
Dec 16 21:56:50 <_av500_> rocket surgery
Dec 16 21:56:59 <woglinde_> xora yes
Dec 16 21:57:07 <woglinde_> and no display-out
Dec 16 21:57:10 <_av500_> its also bonier
Dec 16 21:57:10 <woglinde_> by default
Dec 16 21:57:16 <Stormbytes> lol
Dec 16 21:57:17 <koen> XorA: smaller, cheaper, less stuff in the SoC
Dec 16 21:57:18 <LolOLOlo> the processor of the bone is only $5 :)
Dec 16 21:57:25 <Stormbytes> pretty sure they have a breakout board that allows for vga
Dec 16 21:57:28 <jay6981> rocket appliances
Dec 16 21:57:33 <XorA> so a throw away device then :-)
Dec 16 21:57:40 <koen> XorA: e.g. no DSP, overlays, accel
Dec 16 21:57:41 <woglinde_> like a bone for dog
Dec 16 21:57:42 <woglinde_> yes
Dec 16 21:57:49 <koen> XorA: a8 + sgx + ethernet
Dec 16 21:58:09 <XorA> never used the display part of my beagles yet :-)
Dec 16 21:58:54 <XorA> 80x25 green screen is good enough for me :-D
Dec 16 21:58:56 <Stormbytes> i admit i'm a bit surprised GPIO operations are so complicated
Dec 16 21:59:07 <woglinde_> o.O
Dec 16 21:59:11 <XorA> so in fact bone and raspberry PI are competitors
Dec 16 21:59:34 <XorA> with bone actually existing so more likely to win :-)
Dec 16 21:59:35 <_av500_> bone has no hdmi out
Dec 16 22:00:31 <koen> XorA: and bone isn't subsidized, pi is
Dec 16 22:00:40 <koen> the pi is at least getting the SoC for free
Dec 16 22:01:04 <XorA> PI has an ever expanding waistline :)
Dec 16 22:01:05 <koen> you can actually make a bone yourself and make a profit if you sell it for $79
Dec 16 22:01:49 * XorA should order a bone
Dec 16 22:01:57 <Stormbytes> they are backordered on most sites
Dec 16 22:02:05 <djlewis> what? to feed your rotwiler?
Dec 16 22:02:05 <Stormbytes> dkey should have some (as of yesterday)
Dec 16 22:02:30 <LolOLOlo> mouser should have it
Dec 16 22:02:47 <XorA> I can wait until next year, too many toys to play with at moment
Dec 16 22:05:14 <Stormbytes> wow ubuntu's so bloated
Dec 16 22:05:42 <jay6981> it's a desktop operating system
Dec 16 22:06:10 <woglinde_> you can get it down to 500 packages
Dec 16 22:06:31 <jay6981> build your own linux from scratch
Dec 16 22:06:49 <Stormbytes> jay6981 that requires some knowledge i'd think
Dec 16 22:07:13 <XorA> bitbake micro-image :-D
Dec 16 22:07:44 <jay6981> Stormbytes: so get some
Dec 16 22:07:56 <Stormbytes> jay6981 working on it..
Dec 16 22:09:21 <jay6981> you'd learn a lot building linux from scratch
Dec 16 22:09:33 <Stormbytes> i'm gonna have to pick up a book
Dec 16 22:09:53 <Stormbytes> i downloaded ubuntu but this things a behemoth
Dec 16 22:10:07 <woglinde_> .o(why he said ubuntu is bloated and uses macosx)
Dec 16 22:10:08 <Stormbytes> at least the v11 standard distribution they are offering
Dec 16 22:10:38 <Stormbytes> I chose OSX
Dec 16 22:11:17 <Stormbytes> which isn't to say OSX is perfect, but its comfy
Dec 16 22:14:00 <Stormbytes> What's a good linux distro for VM
Dec 16 22:14:05 <Stormbytes> for learning purposes
Dec 16 22:14:29 <woglinde_> depends what you want to learn
Dec 16 22:15:14 <Stormbytes> hmm
Dec 16 22:16:17 <Stormbytes> i'd like to learn how to interact with and develop interesting projects for embedded linux
Dec 16 22:16:21 <Stormbytes> in a nutshell.
Dec 16 22:16:59 <woglinde_> depends what you under of embedded
Dec 16 22:17:03 <woglinde_> and kernel or userland
Dec 16 22:17:16 <Stormbytes> what's kernel / userland?
Dec 16 22:17:41 <Russ> woglinde_, http://gitororious.org/omap-u-boot-utils
Dec 16 22:17:44 <Russ> er
Dec 16 22:17:50 <Russ> woglinde_, http://gitorious.org/omap-u-boot-utils
Dec 16 22:17:58 <woglinde_> Stormbytes find out that first
Dec 16 22:18:13 <Stormbytes> wow.. this really is a lot more then i bargained for
Dec 16 22:19:27 <jay6981> it's not realistic to expect something running a general purpose OS to be as simple as a microcontroller
Dec 16 22:20:54 <woglinde_> russ ieehks serial console handling under c
Dec 16 22:21:05 <woglinde_> in python its so much nicer
Dec 16 22:21:58 <Stormbytes> an mc isn't "simple" by any stretch
Dec 16 22:22:38 <XorA> especialls when he is a hammer :-D
Dec 16 22:22:48 <Stormbytes> the simplicity/complexity of interacting with any hardware platform is dictated by the available toolchain and documentation
Dec 16 22:22:48 <jay6981> it is compared to a 32bit processor with virtual memory
Dec 16 22:23:06 <woglinde_> o.O
Dec 16 22:24:17 <djlewis> Stormbytes: unless you started like a lot of us, got the uC with some docs and no toolchain.
Dec 16 22:24:18 <mru> serial port in C is fine
Dec 16 22:24:22 <mru> try java for a headache
Dec 16 22:24:28 <jay6981> so if there's no toolchain does that mean it is infinitely complex?
Dec 16 22:24:34 <djlewis> no
Dec 16 22:24:38 <mru> djlewis: you had docs? you lucky bastard!
Dec 16 22:24:50 <Stormbytes> and my grandfather walked 5 miles to school every day, in 3 feet of snow, uphill both ways, so what?
Dec 16 22:25:05 <Stormbytes> welcome to the 21st centurty
Dec 16 22:25:08 <djlewis> mru: yeah :) my 6502 Kim came with lots of "over my head" docs ;)
Dec 16 22:25:13 <Stormbytes> century
Dec 16 22:25:56 <XorA> 6502 was such a simple beast compared to z80 :-D
Dec 16 22:25:56 <woglinde_> mru java-rxtx works in some cases
Dec 16 22:26:01 <djlewis> yes, the 21st century where mom holds your hand everywhere you go and does your homework for you.
Dec 16 22:27:10 <woglinde_> djlewis your mom is google
Dec 16 22:27:24 <djlewis> lol
Dec 16 22:27:30 <woglinde_> good nite
Dec 16 22:27:40 <Stormbytes> no, the 21st century approach is based on communicating information and simplifying learning, rather then ego centric obscurity
Dec 16 22:32:39 <XorA> without giant egos we would never have had the zx spectrum and BBC micro :-D
Dec 16 22:33:38 * Stormbytes scratches his head..
Dec 16 22:33:48 <jay6981> If I have seen a little further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants
Dec 16 22:34:58 <Stormbytes> this is pretty frustrating
Dec 16 22:35:31 <Stormbytes> if the GPIO is so damn obscure, what's the point of developing a board like this
Dec 16 22:35:45 <jay6981> you should return it
Dec 16 22:36:07 <Stormbytes> good possibility at this point
Dec 16 22:36:08 <djlewis> give up on it
Dec 16 22:37:15 <djlewis> omap's and arduino's are not in the same category.
Dec 16 22:37:20 <Stormbytes> no docs, no high level API, no general direction, and a "bring your own giant" attitude...
Dec 16 22:37:43 <jay6981> clearly not for the entitlement generation
Dec 16 22:38:01 <Stormbytes> you don't have to use Arduino's prefab libs. You're free to write your own.. but at least they get you started
Dec 16 22:38:06 <djlewis> Stormbytes: if I may ask, what is your ultimate design goal? perhaps a arduino would be better suited to you?
Dec 16 22:38:18 <Stormbytes> there is no real "design goal"
Dec 16 22:38:28 <Stormbytes> I love to tinker with electronics, its fun :)
Dec 16 22:38:42 <Stormbytes> I built some home automation gadgets with arduino/ruby/sinatra
Dec 16 22:38:48 <djlewis> well, many tinkers have blown up beagleboards.
Dec 16 22:38:58 <Stormbytes> and this is bad?
Dec 16 22:39:09 <djlewis> the stm32 Discovery is a cool dev board
Dec 16 22:39:17 <Stormbytes> i was considering phidgets
Dec 16 22:39:23 <Stormbytes> but its too damned pricey
Dec 16 22:39:34 <djlewis> they do it for you, no learning there
Dec 16 22:39:36 <Stormbytes> i didn't realize this board would be a Linux-on-your-own space walk
Dec 16 22:39:58 <djlewis> even arduino mostly does it for you
Dec 16 22:40:12 <mdp> You might like mindstorms
Dec 16 22:40:19 <djlewis> rofl
Dec 16 22:41:42 <Stormbytes> if there was a GPIO API (which is kind of what I was hoping for) you can download the interpreter of your choice, write scripts, run servers, connect to peripheral hw and have a blast with this thing
Dec 16 22:41:53 <Stormbytes> the concept is terrific but the implementation gets an F
Dec 16 22:42:29 <djlewis> yeah, perhaps, a lot of engineers use it.
Dec 16 22:42:35 <jay6981> quite a few people manage
Dec 16 22:42:41 <Stormbytes> then it should be marketted as an engineering product
Dec 16 22:42:55 <Stormbytes> the presentation is very misleading
Dec 16 22:43:00 <djlewis> I disagree
Dec 16 22:43:14 <jay6981> it's not uncommon to know linux these days
Dec 16 22:43:23 <Stormbytes> define "know"
Dec 16 22:43:32 <Stormbytes> i "know" how to use the terminal
Dec 16 22:43:39 <Stormbytes> i "know" how to install/remove programs
Dec 16 22:43:42 <mru> jay6981: don't you know people like us were born with the knowledge?
Dec 16 22:43:54 <mru> never mind linux not being invented until much later
Dec 16 22:44:03 <Stormbytes> I don't "know" how to write my own GPIO (hw) interfacing routines
Dec 16 22:44:07 <jay6981> it's not uncommon to spend some time learning this stuff either
Dec 16 22:44:13 <jay6981> unix has been around for 40 years
Dec 16 22:44:18 <djlewis> and is healthy for you
Dec 16 22:44:22 <djlewis> learning that is
Dec 16 22:44:27 <Stormbytes> i'm down with a learning curve
Dec 16 22:44:36 <jay6981> no you're not… you're bitching about everything
Dec 16 22:45:38 <Stormbytes> i'm frustrated with the product. I expected a bit more guidance/documentation
Dec 16 22:45:46 <Stormbytes> i'm not "bitching about everything"
Dec 16 22:46:51 <djlewis> THis group is a very helpful group, but we all expect the person to make a good effort
Dec 16 22:47:00 <Stormbytes> and I'm glad to do that
Dec 16 22:47:04 <mru> or we'll mock you without mercy
Dec 16 22:47:04 <Stormbytes> where does one start exactly?
Dec 16 22:47:17 <djlewis> but we dont hand hold unless soeone here is drunk :)
Dec 16 22:47:23 <djlewis> someone
Dec 16 22:47:24 <jay6981> or you're paying me
Dec 16 22:47:30 * mru glances at beer glass
Dec 16 22:47:55 <ds2> I donno about even when drunk
Dec 16 22:48:12 <djlewis> Stormbytes: I just gotta ask. Are you from India?
Dec 16 22:48:26 <Stormbytes> ok anyways, enough bitching... what kind of book does one get to wrap one's head about htf to interract with this board?
Dec 16 22:48:31 <djlewis> nevermind
Dec 16 22:48:37 <ds2> read the source
Dec 16 22:48:40 <Stormbytes> If i was from India I'd probably know what i was talking about
Dec 16 22:48:43 <Stormbytes> I"m American
Dec 16 22:48:46 <Stormbytes> I'm entitled to be a dumbass
Dec 16 22:49:11 * djlewis bites his tonque and snarls
Dec 16 22:50:34 <Stormbytes> djlewis if it makes you feel any better, i wasn't born in the US
Dec 16 22:50:40 <jay6981> get a TRM, ARM ARM, cross assembler and write some code
Dec 16 22:50:45 <jay6981> you won't be an idiot anymore
Dec 16 22:51:09 <djlewis> even the SRM would be helpful
Dec 16 22:52:01 <Stormbytes> do you guys even use the GPIOs on your boards?
Dec 16 22:52:18 <djlewis> lots do
Dec 16 22:52:19 <Stormbytes> or are you just using it as a cheap computer?
Dec 16 22:52:34 <mru> cheap? I _make_ money with it
Dec 16 22:53:12 <Stormbytes> what are some applications for a beagle board?
Dec 16 22:55:07 <Russ> Stormbytes, are you aware of /sys/class/gpio?
Dec 16 22:55:33 <jay6981> that's way too esoteric
Dec 16 22:55:38 <mru> Stormbytes: some of us built http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprL3PtqDoM
Dec 16 22:56:19 <Stormbytes> Russ nope. like I said, I just got this board today from dkey
Dec 16 22:56:24 <Stormbytes> mru  - very cool!
Dec 16 22:59:52 <Russ> http://www.avrfreaks.net/wiki/index.php/Documentation:Linux/GPIO
Dec 16 23:01:06 <jay6981> shell might be too level
Dec 16 23:01:39 <Russ> level what?
Dec 16 23:01:56 <jay6981> err too low level
Dec 16 23:02:03 <Russ> shell? low level?
Dec 16 23:02:24 <jay6981> sacrasm does not come across well here
Dec 16 23:02:27 <jay6981> sarcasm even
Dec 16 23:03:07 <_av500_> sarcasm level
Dec 16 23:07:00 * mru levels some sarcasm at _av500_ 
Dec 16 23:15:17 <Stormbytes> Russ thanks... the light begins to shine
Dec 16 23:21:22 <djlewis> later . . .
Dec 16 23:26:17 <xxiao> _av500_: i think everyone is doing some cheap devkit these days, except for marvell/broadcom/nvidia
Dec 16 23:26:27 <xxiao> _av500_: not that nv will really disappear
Dec 16 23:26:51 <xxiao> had a peek into freescale's quad-core imx, looks awesome
Dec 16 23:27:17 <ds2> how well does that quad core fry eggs?
Dec 16 23:28:59 <xxiao> it did not hurt my fingers 
Dec 16 23:31:14 <xxiao> can't even find a basic spec on tegra3
Dec 16 23:31:26 <jay6981> nv is so secretive about everything
Dec 16 23:31:56 <xxiao> worse than broadcom and marvell it appears
Dec 16 23:32:17 <xxiao> ti is the most open
Dec 16 23:32:18 <_av500_> qc is too and they seem to do fine
Dec 16 23:32:24 <_av500_> as in closed
Dec 16 23:32:27 <xxiao> _av500_: qc is changing
Dec 16 23:32:34 <_av500_> ah
Dec 16 23:32:40 <_av500_> doubt that
Dec 16 23:32:46 <xxiao> _av500_: in both low price strategy and a board simiar to beagle
Dec 16 23:32:58 <_av500_> xxiao: lol, i have seen the board
Dec 16 23:33:04 <_av500_> do you see anybody talking about it?
Dec 16 23:33:08 <xxiao> how does it look like?
Dec 16 23:33:10 <jay6981> yeah, I can just download the TRM for the OMAP4460 in my phone
Dec 16 23:33:13 <_av500_> xxiao: green
Dec 16 23:33:32 <xxiao> i did not buy it...as felt qc is too closed, but does sense it's trying to change
Dec 16 23:33:36 <xxiao> or copying ti/etc
Dec 16 23:33:51 <_av500_> xxiao: well, I dont see them posting a TRM
Dec 16 23:34:08 <xxiao> _av500_: right, i just hope it's getting less evil
Dec 16 23:34:17 <_av500_> that board is a fig leaf
Dec 16 23:34:29 <xxiao> ti, freescale are both fairly open comparing to others
Dec 16 23:34:48 <xxiao> texans don't really care
Dec 16 23:35:20 <_av500_> qc does not need a community board, they have all the design-ins they need
Dec 16 23:37:45 <xxiao> imx6 has pcie x1 which is great
Dec 16 23:37:57 <xxiao> sata too
Dec 16 23:42:11 <Stormbytes> anyone know of a rubygem (or any other high level class) for interacing with Linux GPIO ?
Dec 16 23:42:34 <Stormbytes> lol hillarious... i might actually be the first to write one
Dec 16 23:43:09 <_av500_> anything that can open/read/write/close
Dec 16 23:43:18 <Stormbytes> sorry?
Dec 16 23:43:19 <_av500_> be it ruby or emerald
Dec 16 23:43:22 <jay6981> haha
Dec 16 23:43:24 <_av500_> its linux
Dec 16 23:43:32 <_av500_> you open files and read and write
Dec 16 23:43:37 <_av500_> maybe ruby can do that too
Dec 16 23:43:42 <jay6981> sorcery!
Dec 16 23:43:47 <Stormbytes> lol
Dec 16 23:43:57 <Stormbytes> ruby can access/execute shell commands
Dec 16 23:44:00 <_av500_> if it can, it can talk to a gpio
Dec 16 23:44:09 <_av500_> its not rocket surgery
Dec 16 23:45:09 <Stormbytes> yes, but it would be a *royal* pita to go through the whole /sys/class/gpio/ routine every time you wanted to read/write the gpio
Dec 16 23:45:29 <Stormbytes> objectifying the process (for ruby dev) makes life a lot easier
Dec 16 23:45:43 <Stormbytes> gpio.writeHigh(pin#)
Dec 16 23:45:53 <Stormbytes> gpio.read(pin#)
Dec 16 23:50:28 <Russ> Stormbytes, I once made a configuration file that specified what GPIOs should be exported and what their default direction/state was along with an init.d script to go with it. Something like that would probably help too
Dec 16 23:50:50 <Stormbytes> indeed
Dec 16 23:51:35 <Stormbytes> i'm going to have to read the manual for this board to try and get some of that
Dec 16 23:51:59 <Stormbytes> also, do the pins source (output) 5v or 1.8v ?
Dec 16 23:52:23 <Stormbytes> is there any other useful io hardware on this board? (pwm, adc, etc?)
Dec 16 23:58:16 <_av500_> Stormbytes: ok, so you just invented abstraction :)
Dec 16 23:58:34 <xxiao> Stormbytes: for gpio, echo will do it
Dec 16 23:58:50 <Stormbytes> _av500_ whoohoo :)
Dec 16 23:58:53 <_av500_> 1.8v, read the SRM
Dec 16 23:59:05 <Stormbytes> SMR ?
Dec 16 23:59:09 <Stormbytes> err SRM?
Dec 16 23:59:16 <Stormbytes> something...something...Manual
Dec 16 23:59:29 <jacekowski> system reference manual
Dec 16 23:59:42 <jacekowski> _av500_: it's not there
Dec 17 00:00:33 <Stormbytes> ah
Dec 17 00:00:50 <xxiao> what is the SOPA thing
Dec 17 00:01:01 <jacekowski> stop online piracy act
Dec 17 00:01:08 <jacekowski> censorship and invigilation
Dec 17 00:01:30 <xxiao> well i think they can just license GFW from china
Dec 17 00:05:33 * xxiao spent two weeks on fcoe and failed miserably
Dec 17 00:07:52 <Stormbytes> does the second micro-sd card that ships with the beaglebone have a designated purpose?
Dec 17 00:08:37 <xxiao> Stormbytes: i did not even bother to look into it before I wipe out it content
Dec 17 00:08:44 <xxiao> s/it/its/
Dec 17 00:08:47 <mru> second card?
Dec 17 00:09:05 <Stormbytes> yeah, it ships with 1 card that has the angstrom distro, and another card that has a blank white label on it
Dec 17 00:09:06 <xxiao> mru: i too saw two sd cards inside bone
Dec 17 00:09:50 <mru> hmm
Dec 17 00:10:04 <Stormbytes> i'm just wondering if i can use the second card to burn a ubuntu package
Dec 17 00:10:13 <xxiao> Stormbytes: go ahead
Dec 17 00:10:22 <Stormbytes> :)
Dec 17 00:10:27 <Stormbytes> i miss apt-get
Dec 17 00:10:32 <xxiao> Stormbytes: i got android on it without looking inside it
Dec 17 00:10:44 <Stormbytes> unless there's a way to install ruby onto Angstrom?
Dec 17 00:10:45 <xxiao> but it's too slow that i had to use a different sd card
Dec 17 00:10:59 <Stormbytes> tried opkg but cant' find any docs for that either
Dec 17 00:11:16 <xxiao> ruby + angstrom is a strange marriage to me
Dec 17 00:11:24 <xxiao> python or even js sound more sane
Dec 17 00:11:24 <Stormbytes> ok, here's a dumb question: what's the point of installing android on the beagle?
Dec 17 00:11:43 <mru> that's a very good question
Dec 17 00:11:51 <xxiao> Stormbytes: some HMI at industries might found that interface welcome
Dec 17 00:12:51 <Stormbytes> xxiao I don't know much about Linux (as was further reinforced today) but yeah... when I think Android, I think "UI" and "pretty", but seeing as the beagle isn't really an LCD-centric platform......
Dec 17 00:13:25 <xxiao> well it has GPU and lcd and touchscreen interface
Dec 17 00:13:40 <Stormbytes> not the Bone (i don't think...)
Dec 17 00:13:50 <xxiao> wait for the dvi board 
Dec 17 00:13:51 <mru> I use an android phone, but I wouldn't put android on a dev system
Dec 17 00:15:09 <xxiao> i'm puzzled why openfiler is the only option for SAN/NAS with linux....
Dec 17 00:15:23 <xxiao> where i had to use the rpath thing, don't really like it
Dec 17 00:15:57 <xxiao> angstrom/debian/ubuntu all should have some ready-to-go stacks...
Dec 17 00:16:36 <xxiao> NAS is everywhere, SAN is hard to come by
Dec 17 00:34:58 <jay6981> is there some secret to turning on the GPIO1 functional clock? i'm setting the enable bit, but it won't toggle
Dec 17 00:37:51 <Stormbytes> jay6981 are you setting the bit through  /sys/class/gpio/  ?
Dec 17 00:38:14 <jay6981> no, i'm poking the hardware directly
Dec 17 00:40:35 <Stormbytes> if you're being sarcastic, you probably want to wait until I'm literate enough to get it (might be a while)
Dec 17 00:41:12 <jay6981> no… serious this time
Dec 17 00:43:06 <jay6981> ah. it's on now. no secret btw… you just have to set the right bits :)
Dec 17 00:44:18 <Stormbytes> jumper?
Dec 17 00:44:54 <jay6981> no, writing into a memory mapped register
Dec 17 00:46:14 <Stormbytes> wow... I thought Linux abstracted stuff that low
Dec 17 00:46:25 <Stormbytes> last time I wrote register bits I was fiddling around with ASM & PIC
Dec 17 00:46:55 <jay6981> yeah, i'm not running linux
Dec 17 00:47:23 <Stormbytes> oh i see
Dec 17 00:47:27 <Stormbytes> which board?
Dec 17 00:47:41 <jay6981> beagle and overo 
Dec 17 00:48:04 <jay6981> beaglebone that is
Dec 17 00:48:42 <Stormbytes> what are you running (if not linux) if I might ask
Dec 17 00:48:56 <jay6981> i wrote my own simple monitor/loader
Dec 17 00:49:10 <Stormbytes> oh, wow.. neat :)
Dec 17 00:49:16 <jay6981> just goofing around trying to learn this embedded stuff too 
Dec 17 00:50:19 <Stormbytes> that's some pretty low-level goofing around (in a high level sort of way)
Dec 17 00:50:20 <Stormbytes> ;)
Dec 17 00:50:36 <jay6981> i figured might as well start with the fundamentals
Dec 17 01:50:05 <A2Sheds> referencing the beaglebone and Linux, outside of the PowerVR are there any sections of the AM335x that are binary only?
Dec 17 01:50:31 <A2Sheds> there is a discussion on arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk and debian-arm@lists.debian.org about spinning a beaglebone in the EOMA-PCMCIA format 
Dec 17 01:50:47 <A2Sheds> http://www.elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/PCMCIA
Dec 17 02:05:53 <Stormbytes> hmm can't get 'sudo' to work on Angstrom
Dec 17 02:07:37 <ds2> and why do you think you need sudo?
Dec 17 02:08:07 <Stormbytes> to install stuff
Dec 17 02:08:10 <Stormbytes> create users, etc
Dec 17 02:08:24 <ds2> again, I ask, why do you think you need sudo?
Dec 17 02:08:47 <Stormbytes> sudo = root priviledges
Dec 17 02:09:03 <mru> if you need to ask, you're not ready for it :)
Dec 17 02:09:20 <Stormbytes> not ready to install Vim?
Dec 17 02:09:27 <Stormbytes> should i do the rain dance?
Dec 17 02:10:09 <ds2> No. sudo != root privillages
Dec 17 02:10:16 <ds2> sudo is used to restrict and limit root privillages
Dec 17 02:10:18 <mru> pre-villages?
Dec 17 02:10:48 <mru> is that what they called suburbs in the 16th century?
Dec 17 02:11:02 <ds2> isn't it more like 9th?
Dec 17 02:11:14 <ds2> when richard and his pals ruled?
Dec 17 02:11:36 <mru> ds2: you're in america, anything before the 16th century is the same to you
Dec 17 02:11:45 <Stormbytes> well on OSX you'd use Sudo to install stuff (for the most part)
Dec 17 02:12:02 <ds2> mru: are you denying the tribes?
Dec 17 02:12:03 <mru> this is not your grandfathers macintosh
Dec 17 02:12:24 <ds2> normal sane systems use su... rotten fruits do not use su
Dec 17 02:12:50 <mru> most of my dev systems have blank root password
Dec 17 02:12:53 <Stormbytes> oh i'm getting that pretty quickly
Dec 17 02:13:11 <Stormbytes> i don't know much about linux
Dec 17 02:13:20 <ds2> sudo is used on system that are created by people who do not know what they are doing.
Dec 17 02:13:23 <Stormbytes> would be nice to get a webserver/ruby interpreter running on this thing
Dec 17 02:13:44 <mru> I thought you said you wanted to learn about embedded systems
Dec 17 02:13:49 <ds2> they think it is a safer, more secure system by giving any old user ability to get root privs using their personal password
Dec 17 02:13:50 <mru> any old pc can run ruby
Dec 17 02:14:09 <mru> it's a flawed understanding of sudo
Dec 17 02:14:15 <jay6981> there's nothing wrong with sudo
Dec 17 02:14:21 <jay6981> it does what it needs to do just fine
Dec 17 02:14:21 <Stormbytes> oh brother
Dec 17 02:14:41 <mru> sudo is very useful for giving certain users the right to run restricted commands with other other than their usual privileges
Dec 17 02:14:47 <ds2> sudo is just wrong except for the few cases of a multiuser system
Dec 17 02:14:47 <mru> not necessarily root
Dec 17 02:15:42 <ds2> no arguments on that assertion!
Dec 17 02:15:47 <mru> the commands thus authorised would of course be 'safe' ones unable to do anything unexpected
Dec 17 02:18:36 <Stormbytes> ruby *can* run on 'any old pc'
Dec 17 02:18:43 <Stormbytes> but that's not a flaw
Dec 17 02:18:49 <Stormbytes> its an advantage
Dec 17 02:18:54 <mru> I did not say it was either
Dec 17 02:19:15 <mru> but if all you want to do is run ruby, there are better solutions than a beagle
Dec 17 02:19:21 <Stormbytes> oh?
Dec 17 02:19:28 <mru> you obviously already own a pc
Dec 17 02:19:33 <mru> why not run ruby on that?
Dec 17 02:19:33 <Stormbytes> ahuh
Dec 17 02:20:18 <doublebeta> You do realise, whether you're running a public access shell system, or a tiny embedded device, that Linux IS a multiuser system?
Dec 17 02:20:20 <Stormbytes> well, the idea behind using ruby (or php, python, whatever) on an embeded system is that you can develop very smart applications and easily interface these with exteranl
Dec 17 02:20:24 <Stormbytes> external hardware
Dec 17 02:20:40 <doublebeta> That's all I'm going to say on this. Sudo is awesome, and running everything as root is for asshats.
Dec 17 02:20:43 <mru> doublebeta: your point?
Dec 17 02:20:52 <Stormbytes> asshats?
Dec 17 02:20:55 <doublebeta> I'm NOT saying anymore.
Dec 17 02:21:22 <jay6981> you can write very smart apps in any language
Dec 17 02:22:37 <mru> Stormbytes: http://digitalempire.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/asshat.jpg
Dec 17 02:23:36 <ds2> didn't say running everything as root.
Dec 17 02:23:47 <ds2> you open a root shell as needed. or use su -c 
Dec 17 02:24:00 <ds2> there is no reason to use sudo and compromise your system with your personal password
Dec 17 02:24:11 <mru> but if you have an unrestricted sudo, you *are* effectively running everythign as root
Dec 17 02:25:02 <mru> on some of my systems I don't have a personal password
Dec 17 02:25:18 <mru> access is by ssh with key authentication only
Dec 17 02:25:19 <Stormbytes> jay6981 yes - the inteligence of the app has little to do with the language in which its written, HOWEVER I doubt anyone can argue that, on the whole, Ruby is far less difficult/tedious then C
Dec 17 02:25:31 <doublebeta> Use a unique password everywhere.
Dec 17 02:25:41 <ds2> passwords are weak
Dec 17 02:25:49 <ds2> a nice 8192 bit key...
Dec 17 02:25:59 <jay6981> Stormbytes: that would depend on your relative skill level in said languages
Dec 17 02:26:03 <doublebeta> When they're larger than some keys... they're quite fine
Dec 17 02:26:17 <jay6981> but knock yourself out… run ruby
Dec 17 02:26:25 <jay6981> i don't see the problem
Dec 17 02:26:43 <doublebeta> I find scripting languages a pain in the ass tbh
Dec 17 02:26:51 <Stormbytes> ruby rocks :)
Dec 17 02:26:57 <mru> they have their place
Dec 17 02:27:07 <doublebeta> There is NO connection to the hardware, and it pisses me off. But that is my opinion
Dec 17 02:27:12 <mru> though I prefer shell scripts and perl
Dec 17 02:27:24 <mru> don't really touch python or ruby
Dec 17 02:27:30 <mru> or heaven forbid php
Dec 17 02:27:38 <doublebeta> oh god php
Dec 17 02:27:49 <Stormbytes> mru i mean, essentially you're doing the same thing just using a different tool - C on the other hand is compiled wich makes it a very different animal
Dec 17 02:27:58 <Stormbytes> hah php
Dec 17 02:28:10 <ds2> C is actually useable
Dec 17 02:28:11 <mru> I wasn't trying to argue over C vs ruby
Dec 17 02:28:28 <doublebeta> ds2: +1
Dec 17 02:28:29 <mru> and there are certainly things I'd never consider doing in C
Dec 17 02:28:36 <doublebeta> ehhh?
Dec 17 02:28:50 <mru> anything where a shell script is more suitable for instance
Dec 17 02:29:05 <doublebeta> ah good. Reasonable
Dec 17 02:29:30 * doublebeta shudders at having seen C programs that are just a series of system() calls
Dec 17 02:29:35 <Stormbytes> My impression is that C is only a factor where space/speed become an issue (complex math operations, etc)
Dec 17 02:29:45 <doublebeta> >_<
Dec 17 02:29:48 <doublebeta> Or power use.
Dec 17 02:29:52 <Stormbytes> true
Dec 17 02:29:54 <ds2> or sanity
Dec 17 02:30:00 <mru> or a host of other things
Dec 17 02:30:11 <mru> like low-level networking stuff
Dec 17 02:30:19 <doublebeta> Like low-level *
Dec 17 02:30:20 <ds2> all those vec() operators in perl has a huge toll on sanity
Dec 17 02:30:22 <Stormbytes> also true
Dec 17 02:30:47 <Stormbytes> but the moment you want to integrate your project with some external data service.......
Dec 17 02:30:56 <Stormbytes> or some other new technology
Dec 17 02:31:08 <Stormbytes> the support & available libraries for Ruby are unparalleled
Dec 17 02:31:17 <doublebeta> 5 minute hack job in C and you're in business :D
Dec 17 02:31:24 <Stormbytes> php is a white dwarf
Dec 17 02:31:33 <Stormbytes> Python is well... Python
Dec 17 02:31:40 <jay6981> we get it, you like ruby
Dec 17 02:31:45 <TheBurrito> lol
Dec 17 02:31:46 <Stormbytes> ;)
Dec 17 02:32:00 <mru> and there /might/ not even be anything wrong with that
Dec 17 02:32:01 <ds2> I like red dwarfs better
Dec 17 02:32:02 <jay6981> it's ok, realy
Dec 17 02:32:31 <jay6981> write code. be productive. use what you like.
Dec 17 02:32:36 <ds2> gotta keep down the smegheads
Dec 17 02:32:41 <Stormbytes> i wonder if there's a practical difference between Ruby interpreter and say... Bash scripts
Dec 17 02:33:05 <doublebeta> Not really.
Dec 17 02:33:16 <ds2> I wonder, has anyone written a backend synthesizer to get C out of VHDL?
Dec 17 02:33:19 <mru> what I take issue with is people buying nice hardware like beagles, then proceeding to squeeze them into the PC mould
Dec 17 02:33:25 <doublebeta> Perl apparently reads the whole file first and compiles it to a bytecode, but I didn't check that fact
Dec 17 02:33:34 <mru> doublebeta: it does
Dec 17 02:34:11 <doublebeta> Ah, so there IS a difference between Perl and a bash script, but I'm doubting the same with Ruby
Dec 17 02:34:19 <mru> if you want something that walks like a pc and talks like a pc, buy a friggin pc already
Dec 17 02:34:37 <mru> perl and shell are very different
Dec 17 02:36:26 <jay6981> you can run ruby on a jvm if you want
Dec 17 02:36:44 <mru> so?
Dec 17 02:36:48 <doublebeta> oh dear god
Dec 17 02:36:50 <jay6981> so what?
Dec 17 02:37:11 <jay6981> you wanna fight about it?
Dec 17 02:37:20 <mru> no, I don't want to fight
Dec 17 02:37:24 <doublebeta> It seems you are trying to start an argument here.
Dec 17 02:37:30 <jay6981> haha, it's a joke...
Dec 17 02:37:48 <doublebeta> Not sure if backing off, or was actually being sarcastic
Dec 17 02:38:14 <jay6981> i stand by the fact that you can run ruby on a JVM if you want
Dec 17 02:38:19 <jay6981> that's all
Dec 17 02:38:35 <mru> I've heard that elsewhere too
Dec 17 02:38:37 <doublebeta> ... this should not be a thing -- that's all
Dec 17 02:38:48 <doublebeta> Those poor seals.
Dec 17 02:39:05 <Stormbytes> hehe
Dec 17 02:39:28 <mru> seals? well, someone appears to have sprung a leak...
Dec 17 02:40:43 <mru> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
Dec 17 02:41:13 <Stormbytes> wow RIM is really tanking
Dec 17 02:42:08 <jay6981> so if you compile ruby to java byte code and run it with jazelle, is it native then?
Dec 17 02:42:51 <doublebeta> Well, iirc not everything is covered by ARM java extensions
Dec 17 02:43:03 <mru> jazelle is dead
Dec 17 02:43:11 <mru> if it ever was alive
Dec 17 02:43:20 <ds2> long live jazelle!
Dec 17 02:45:12 <doublebeta> mru: If that is the case, do you know why SoC vendors continue to waste die space with the java execution mode? This is not an argument, I'm just curious
Dec 17 02:45:30 <ds2> uh
Dec 17 02:45:33 <mru> have you read the specs of the recent cores carefully?
Dec 17 02:45:41 <doublebeta> Nope? :D
Dec 17 02:45:57 <ds2> which cores do you think has jazelle?
Dec 17 02:46:08 <mru> arm926
Dec 17 02:46:11 <doublebeta> I've seen the 'J' marking in the part nums
Dec 17 02:46:17 <ds2> arm1126 has it
Dec 17 02:46:23 <ds2> but recently? :D
Dec 17 02:46:23 <mru> ain't no such thing
Dec 17 02:46:31 <ds2> whatever the OMAP2430 is
Dec 17 02:46:33 <mru> you probably mean 1136 or 1156
Dec 17 02:46:37 <ds2> it is 11xx
Dec 17 02:46:45 <mru> 2430 is 1136
Dec 17 02:46:57 <ds2> my bad
Dec 17 02:47:10 <ds2> but find something newer with the full blow jazelle dbx
Dec 17 02:47:44 <mru> a8 and later have 'trivial' jazelle implementations
Dec 17 02:47:47 <mru> meaning all the opcodes trap
Dec 17 02:48:00 <ds2> heh, "trivial"... I like that name
Dec 17 02:48:03 <doublebeta> Ah
Dec 17 02:48:12 <ds2> bxj falls through
Dec 17 02:48:19 <ds2> or something along those lines
Dec 17 02:50:06 <doublebeta> AM/DM37x datasheet thing (sprugn4m) says 'Jazelle RCT Java accelerator' under 1.3.1 - MPU Subsystem; but this is likely the trap generating minimal thing mru mentioned.
Dec 17 02:50:19 <doublebeta> * certainly. mru doesn't lie
Dec 17 02:50:37 <mru> I don't lie, I just make stuff up
Dec 17 02:50:44 <doublebeta> :D
Dec 17 02:50:55 <mru> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0344k/Chdiciaj.html
Dec 17 02:51:13 <mru> "The Cortex-A8 processor provides a trivial implementation of the Jazelle Extension. This means that the processor does not accelerate the execution of any bytecodes, and all bytecodes are executed by software routines."
Dec 17 02:51:46 <doublebeta> heh, damn
Dec 17 02:52:00 <mru> you're better of with a jit-compiling jvm anyway
Dec 17 02:52:05 <doublebeta> 'The Cortex-A8 processor contains a method to further slow down the execution of Java.'
Dec 17 02:52:11 <doublebeta> Indeed
Dec 17 02:53:04 <ds2> RCT and DBX are 2 different things
Dec 17 02:53:24 <ds2> RCT is more or less JITing anyways
Dec 17 02:53:24 <doublebeta> Though you can probably do some leet hax to get the Jazelle extension working as a 'JIT accelerator' which creates code for another thread to execute
Dec 17 02:54:07 <ds2> doublebeta: look up what Jazelle RCT is.
Dec 17 02:54:13 <doublebeta> ... righto >_<
Dec 17 02:54:33 <mru> see also thumbee
Dec 17 02:54:45 <doublebeta> Oh there I go, reinventing the wheel again
Dec 17 02:56:24 <doublebeta> Well, now I understand. Thankyou :).
Dec 17 02:56:29 <jay6981> heh, i didn't realize how lame jazelle really is
Dec 17 02:58:27 * mranostay can't wait to get his cape
Dec 17 02:58:29 <mru> I'm sure someone, somewhere is embarrassed by it
Dec 17 02:58:38 <mru> jazelle, that is
Dec 17 02:58:45 <mru> not mranostay's cape
Dec 17 02:59:29 <doublebeta> Heheh, for a second I thought we were talking about like superman capes. I thought that was pretty cool. Then I realised you meant for the beaglebone :<
Dec 17 02:59:56 <jay6981> what is a cape? expansion board?
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Dec 17 03:00:44 <mranostay> yes
Dec 17 03:00:50 <mru> my beaglebone cape: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jEn066fvMw8/TutiDHo_IvI/AAAAAAAAAPU/Mqi0pzWAMCo/s800/IMG_20111216_152134.jpg
Dec 17 03:01:11 <mranostay> i'm in a group buy with a few people here and other chanenls
Dec 17 03:01:18 <doublebeta> not bad mru
Dec 17 03:01:22 <doublebeta> Excellent pic btw
Dec 17 03:01:35 <mranostay> *channels
Dec 17 03:01:45 <mranostay> damn beer mispelling my words
Dec 17 03:02:14 <mranostay> mru: smartass much ;) 
Dec 17 03:04:07 <jay6981> there ya go… Stormbytes should do the Ruby ThumbEE implementation
Dec 17 03:04:22 <Stormbytes> ;)
Dec 17 03:06:57 <mranostay> trys CCS and fails terriblely
Dec 17 03:07:09 * mranostay not a fan of a bloated IDE
Dec 17 03:08:44 <doublebeta> Geany ftw
Dec 17 03:11:24 <mru> ccs ugh
Dec 17 03:11:48 <mranostay> yeah unless someone has working OpenOCD config  they like to share :)
Dec 17 03:11:58 * mranostay notes he is horrible at debugger configs
Dec 17 03:12:09 <Stormbytes> seriously how is it that there's no sudo command on Angstrom
Dec 17 03:12:25 <Stormbytes> opkg_conf_load: Could not create lock file /usr/lib/opkg/lock: Permission denied.
Dec 17 03:12:28 <mranostay> Stormbytes: ahem i did opkg install sudo  20 minutes ago :)
Dec 17 03:12:53 <mranostay> <-- has a habit of typing sudo even as root
Dec 17 03:12:55 <Stormbytes> ah, missed that
Dec 17 03:13:25 <Stormbytes> Unknown package 'sudo'.
Dec 17 03:13:25 <Stormbytes> Collected errors:
Dec 17 03:13:26 <Stormbytes>  * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package sudo.
Dec 17 03:13:31 <TheBurrito> Perhaps cuz Angstrom starts you off as root?
Dec 17 03:13:45 <Stormbytes> nope, created a standard user account
Dec 17 03:14:00 <Stormbytes> had to log out & log back in as root to try the opkg install sudo
Dec 17 03:14:49 <mranostay> Stormbytes: opkg update work for you?
Dec 17 03:14:49 <TheBurrito> heh. Working on a mobile robot here. no need for other accounts. though now I'm running ubuntu.
Dec 17 03:15:00 <Stormbytes> mranostay tried that too, nada
Dec 17 03:15:36 <mranostay> TheBurrito: i thought of that as a hobby project
Dec 17 03:16:30 <TheBurrito> mranostay: making a robot as a hobby?
Dec 17 03:16:41 <Stormbytes> damn thing can't even install tree
Dec 17 03:16:51 <mranostay> er well small scale :P
Dec 17 03:16:56 <Stormbytes> this is so alpha-ware
Dec 17 03:17:04 <mranostay> Stormbytes: bone?
Dec 17 03:17:08 <Stormbytes> ahuh
Dec 17 03:17:16 <mranostay> you have networking working?
Dec 17 03:17:28 <TheBurrito> yeah, this is sized for a competition with size restrictions of 31cmx31cmx27xcm high
Dec 17 03:17:42 <Stormbytes> yeah
Dec 17 03:17:48 <Stormbytes> ssh'd into the board
Dec 17 03:17:57 <Stormbytes> just looked at "known issues" (near the bottom) http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/README.htm#before
Dec 17 03:18:16 <Stormbytes> man.. no wonder this board is so cheap
Dec 17 03:18:53 <doublebeta> yeaaah that was my reaction//
Dec 17 03:18:59 <mranostay> not cheaper than mine :P
Dec 17 03:19:38 <mranostay> Stormbytes: you are using usb to ethernet gadget device?
Dec 17 03:19:51 <Stormbytes> nope, ethernet (router)
Dec 17 03:20:08 <Stormbytes> it updates just fine
Dec 17 03:20:46 <Stormbytes> or looks the part
Dec 17 03:20:57 <Stormbytes> anyways... yeah, will give this another go in a couple of versions
Dec 17 03:21:22 <Stormbytes> its a terrific idea, but the implementation is just not where it needs to be at this point
Dec 17 03:23:48 <Stormbytes> night folks
Dec 17 03:24:31 <TheBurrito> anyone in here ever worked with ROS on a beagle?
Dec 17 03:41:01 <TheBurrito> Anywho, I've been having issues with ros package/stack dependencies and was wondering if anyone was able to circumvent them. For now I'm reverting back to a base and rolling my own "drivers" and nodes and just utilizing some message types and the underlying communication layer
Dec 17 03:50:47 <LeslieLi> Hi, any start guide for building/using gstreamer in beagle xm? 
Dec 17 04:59:27 <ka6sox-away> LeslieLi, I would start by using narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org  and creating 2 images for the beagleboard and diffing them.
Dec 17 04:59:37 <ka6sox-away> one with gstreamer and one without.
Dec 17 05:12:06 <LeslieLi> ka6sox-away: thanks for your information, I will try on that
Dec 17 05:15:04 <ds2> hmm
Dec 17 05:15:53 <ka6sox-away> ds2, I am beginning to think that "hmm" is hello in your language.
Dec 17 05:18:04 <ds2> =)
Dec 17 05:21:26 <LeslieLi> it seems directly build gstreamer-ti in oe will build all gstreamer, dsplink stuff working on beagleboard xm?
Dec 17 05:21:35 <ds2> the scalex is sure noisy this year
Dec 17 05:24:12 <ka6sox-away> ds2, how so?
Dec 17 05:25:48 <ds2> ka6sox-away: a lot more emails then prior years
Dec 17 05:25:57 <ds2> enough that I am ready to block it
Dec 17 05:29:49 <ka6sox-away> I thought it was less than before...
Dec 17 05:30:14 <ds2> probally 2-3x as much if not more
Dec 17 05:30:30 <ds2> but I am counting all mails relating to scale
Dec 17 08:07:23 <perter-jim> hi,DM3730 IBIS DDR driver model? what mean?
Dec 17 08:07:25 <perter-jim> thanks
Dec 17 08:07:43 <Russ_> you don't need it
Dec 17 08:07:54 <Russ_> Its for designing a board with those chips
Dec 17 12:11:32 <zakri> hi all. Ia have a question. It is possible to dump nand flash using flyswatter and openocd?
Dec 17 12:21:47 <woglinde> you can use u-boot to dump the nand
Dec 17 12:24:14 <zakri> yea, i know, but if u-boot not working?
Dec 17 12:24:51 <woglinde> boot from sd
Dec 17 12:27:24 <zakri> ok, but I am curious if its possible using flyswatter and openOCD
Dec 17 12:27:25 <zakri> ?
Dec 17 12:27:29 <aholler_> it is
Dec 17 12:28:56 <zakri> i have connection via flyswatter but I don't know how to do this
Dec 17 12:29:10 <woglinde> sd-card boot is easier
Dec 17 12:31:06 <woglinde> zakri do you really need the nand at all?
Dec 17 12:34:38 <zakri> i want to test openOCD and flaywatter on BeagleBoard to do the same on another board.
Dec 17 13:20:24 <Alistair> hey guys, a quick one, what's the correct way to obtain an up-to-date toolchain for cross-compiling on the BeagleBone?
Dec 17 13:23:01 <woglinde> cross compiling on the bone?
Dec 17 13:23:18 <woglinde> I mean compiling on the bone or beagle is insane
Dec 17 13:23:24 <woglinde> but crosscompile on it
Dec 17 13:23:34 <Alistair> ofc cross compile :P
Dec 17 13:24:13 <Alistair> but yes, I'm wondering how I obtain the toolchain
Dec 17 13:25:27 <koen> go to the angstrom website, click developers, follow the instructions
Dec 17 13:26:00 <ka6sox-away> morning Alistair 
Dec 17 13:26:25 <Alistair> ah I wasn't use if the setup-script would generate the toolchain
Dec 17 13:27:05 <ka6sox-away> Alistair, it sets up a lot...but you will find things your system needs and have to add those.
Dec 17 13:28:33 <Alistair> kool
Dec 17 13:42:02 <woglinde> ka6sox he wants a crosscompiler on the board
Dec 17 13:42:18 <woglinde> -> what's the correct way to obtain an up-to-date toolchain for cross-compiling on the  BeagleBone?
Dec 17 13:49:38 <mru> he wants to cross-compile *on* the bone?
Dec 17 13:49:48 <mru> to what target? mips?
Dec 17 13:59:16 <ka6sox-away> not fun to use the target to build itself (unless its a reprap)
Dec 17 14:11:57 <n1LS> hiya *
Dec 17 14:17:10 <n1LS> so I got my beaglebone all set up and got CCS up and running, added the target configuration and can connect to it as well
Dec 17 14:17:36 <n1LS> now I am trying to get a little hello world on the bone - any pointers?
Dec 17 14:50:06 <ogra_> mru, for intel indeed :P
Dec 17 15:01:11 <_av500_> cross compilinf for intel on the bone makes sense
Dec 17 15:02:41 * koen wtfs again at XBMC buildsystem
Dec 17 15:02:52 <woglinde> n1LS???? you dont need ccs vi and gcc is enough for helloWorld.c
Dec 17 15:03:01 <woglinde> koen yes
Dec 17 15:03:10 <woglinde> same for openbricks
Dec 17 15:03:43 <koen> woglinde: the makefile has a rule to build the .a for cpluff
Dec 17 15:03:55 <koen> woglinde: the next action is cp .libs/cpluff.so libcpluff-arm.so
Dec 17 15:03:59 <koen> gee
Dec 17 15:04:05 <koen> I wonder why that doesn't work
Dec 17 15:04:19 <woglinde> uhm
Dec 17 15:04:32 <woglinde> I thought .libs is used by libtool only
Dec 17 15:04:37 <n1LS> woglinde: I am aware of that, but I'd like to use CCS for more complex stuff in the long-run so I figured starting with that right away woudn't hurt
Dec 17 15:05:11 <woglinde> mils can you integrate linuxtools plugin in ccs?
Dec 17 15:05:16 <woglinde> otherwise forget it
Dec 17 15:06:28 <n1LS> I just followed the readme, which praised CCS as a " TI provided Eclipse-based integrated development environment that enables you to debug and develop C/C++ applications for your BeagleBone"
Dec 17 15:06:38 <n1LS> whic essentially is what I am looking for ;
Dec 17 15:06:44 <woglinde> koen who wrote this?
Dec 17 15:07:18 <koen> woglinde: xbmc people :)
Dec 17 15:07:26 <woglinde> no I meant the readme for bone
Dec 17 15:07:28 <koen> woglinde: I think I figured out what is happening
Dec 17 15:07:29 <woglinde> praising ccs
Dec 17 15:07:41 <koen> woglinde: it assumes arm == arm,osx
Dec 17 15:07:57 <woglinde> koen lol
Dec 17 15:08:03 <n1LS> "praising" was my choice of words ;)
Dec 17 15:08:36 <koen> woglinde: sadly I only managed to fix the makefile, but not the .am
Dec 17 15:08:47 <koen> woglinde: have you looked at my meta-java patch yet?
Dec 17 15:08:55 <woglinde> koen not yet
Dec 17 15:09:05 <woglinde> but I think I will find some time this weekend
Dec 17 15:09:55 <woglinde> n1ls do you have autotools support in ccs or the yocto plugin for bitbaking inside eclipse and derivats??
Dec 17 15:10:26 <woglinde> n1LS otherwise what do you want to make on the bone?
Dec 17 15:11:39 <n1LS> for now just getting a hello world running and debuggable would suffice, in the long run I am going to use the bone as a standalone synth
Dec 17 15:12:55 <n1LS> I have no idea what kinda tools CCS comes with, like I said, I just followed the instructions assuming they were correct :-)
Dec 17 15:13:10 <n1LS> or assuming that I read them correctly, rather
Dec 17 15:13:46 <woglinde> n1LS did you made any unix/c stuff before?
Dec 17 15:14:11 <woglinde> did you ever used eclipse?
Dec 17 15:14:31 <n1LS> yeh, I make a living with software development ;-)
Dec 17 15:14:44 <n1LS> not a lot of unix tough
Dec 17 15:14:50 <n1LS> though*
Dec 17 15:15:02 <woglinde> so you are stucked at visual studio
Dec 17 15:15:11 <n1LS> and xcode...
Dec 17 15:15:37 <n1LS> (I do a lot of iOS development)
Dec 17 15:15:41 <n1LS> so, the info in the readme is incorrect?
Dec 17 15:16:07 <woglinde> depends
Dec 17 15:16:29 <woglinde> you can develop with ccs, but you will stuck and some cornes
Dec 17 15:16:33 <woglinde> corners
Dec 17 15:16:37 <woglinde> args
Dec 17 15:16:43 <woglinde> at some corners
Dec 17 15:17:07 <n1LS> like what?
Dec 17 15:17:17 <woglinde> providing packages
Dec 17 15:18:43 <woglinde> koen we have no "or" in depends opkg right?
Dec 17 15:19:37 <koen> woglinde: if you mean virtuals, no
Dec 17 15:19:57 <woglinde> like debian has
Dec 17 15:19:58 <woglinde> hm
Dec 17 15:20:08 <woglinde> okay I will apply the patch
Dec 17 15:20:33 <woglinde> hi jkridner
Dec 17 15:21:04 <userx_> Hi people, I just got my brand new BBxM, managed to run the angstrom on the microsd that comes with the board, but now it won't boot
Dec 17 15:21:30 <woglinde> userx_ let me guess you did nothing
Dec 17 15:21:36 <userx_> whether i power it on, via usb Y-cable or 5v adaptor
Dec 17 15:21:48 <woglinde> it just stopped to boot
Dec 17 15:22:06 <userx_> woglinde: weeell, maybe i did 'something' that i'm not aware of?
Dec 17 15:22:42 <userx_> the green power led (d5) stays on, the red (d13?) flashes (i read in the srm that this indicates over-voltage)
Dec 17 15:22:43 <jkridner_> hi woglinde
Dec 17 15:22:52 <userx_> and the other green led (d14) flashes once as well
Dec 17 15:22:58 * jkridner_ needs to find the magic app needed for lzop to compile the kernel
Dec 17 15:23:25 <jkridner_> guess it is just lzop. :)
Dec 17 15:23:29 <userx_> d14 is the one between usb sockets
Dec 17 15:23:43 <woglinde> userx_ maybee it got broken
Dec 17 15:23:46 <woglinde> happens sometimes
Dec 17 15:23:49 <woglinde> because its hw
Dec 17 15:24:46 <n1LS> woglinde: I am not overly keen on working with eclipse, essentially any IDE is fine with me. I just need one that'll let me code and debug my code.
Dec 17 15:24:59 <userx_> woglinde: hmmm, anyone experienced that before ?
Dec 17 15:25:10 <mru> I've never seen an IDE that let me code
Dec 17 15:26:12 <woglinde> hm nearly every ide let you type #include <foomyass.h>
Dec 17 15:26:34 <woglinde> dont know it that is "let me code"
Dec 17 15:26:50 <n1LS> it is
Dec 17 15:27:19 * ogra_ thinks vim is a fine IDE
Dec 17 15:29:22 <mru> woglinde: ok, they can usually be bullied into letting you type something, eventually
Dec 17 15:29:29 <mru> but they try really hard to stop you
Dec 17 15:35:45 <woglinde> hm now trying openjdk shark with llvm 3.0
Dec 17 17:11:01 <koen> jkridner_: lzop patch is on the meta-ti list waiting for review
Dec 17 17:11:19 <jkridner_> would that provide lzop-native?
Dec 17 17:11:48 * jkridner_ already 'sudo apt-get install lzop` to move past the error.
Dec 17 18:26:12 <ETIT> I had an idea to make a script that starts a DHCP server on the beaglebone after 30 seconds of no DHCP message received on the ethernet port only. I want to ignore USB DHCP. I know there will be USB DHCP handshake when the USB cable is plugged in. my question is where do I start. my understanding of linux scripting is limited.
Dec 17 18:28:43 <aholler> maybe start with learning scripting.
Dec 17 18:30:19 <aholler> the next level would be to search and use tools which are providing the informations you need
Dec 17 18:32:25 <jay6981> ETIT: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
Dec 17 18:33:42 <ETIT> if I buy a beaglebone right now and use the linux that is loaded on it, how do I turn off the DHCP client that is running by default? is there any information that I should know that is specific to the hardware of the beaglebone. I'm just guessing that it has a DHCP client if it is plug and play over ethernet. I want to connect to my laptop directly with a crossover cable but I don't want to mess with setting up DHCP on the laptop if I 
Dec 17 18:34:42 <ETIT> thanks for the link I will read it all
Dec 17 18:35:58 <jay6981> ETIT: http://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/documentation
Dec 17 18:36:06 <ETIT> I also found linuxfromscratch.org useful for learning but the amount of material there is huge
Dec 17 18:36:20 <jay6981> yes, LFS is a great exercise
Dec 17 18:47:38 <aholler> ETIT: dhcp-clients usually have a timeout. so just starting a server after the client timed out seems to be the easiest solution
Dec 17 18:48:19 <ETIT> perfect answer! this is easy now
Dec 17 18:52:14 <ETIT> maybe someone can roll this into the official release? I don't know why people would not want that as a feature. it makes it easy to just plug in to cloud 9 with or without a router. no drivers needed. as long as the crossover cable is used when connecting to another arduino or a laptop it should be fine.
Dec 17 18:57:38 <aholler> I would not suggest such. starting a dhcp-server by default, even when it's only after a timeout is dangerous.
Dec 17 18:58:15 <jkridner_> aholler: he's gone, but this is a frequent request now....
Dec 17 18:58:36 <mru> I and a coworker once had a problem with a rogue dhcp server on a network
Dec 17 18:58:42 <mru> at the customer's office, no less
Dec 17 18:59:10 <mru> we noticed somehow (mac addr?) that it was a dlink gadget
Dec 17 18:59:20 <LolOLOlo> is there a way to directly connect the beaglebone to an android (like galaxy s2) via wifi direct (no router needed) ?
Dec 17 18:59:23 <mru> so we simply logged in with the default admin password and disabled it
Dec 17 18:59:33 <jkridner_> I'm not sure if the BeagleBone does any sort of auto address.  if so, the mDNS should allow discovery of the IP.
Dec 17 18:59:55 <jkridner_> LolOLOlo: yes, but it is an exercise for the reader.
Dec 17 19:00:09 <mru> the first thing I do is disable assigning link-local addresses
Dec 17 19:00:12 <mru> I hate those things
Dec 17 19:00:46 <LolOLOlo> jkridner_ wifi direct is just a software layer is it ? so all wifi USB dongles could support it and beaglebone could be seen as an AP ?
Dec 17 19:01:08 <mru> depends on the dongle
Dec 17 19:01:16 <jkridner_> no, AP requires some changes at the protocol layer.
Dec 17 19:01:32 <mru> it's up to the firmware to implement it
Dec 17 19:01:38 <jkridner_> the software vs. non-software was probably the wrong question...
Dec 17 19:01:43 <LolOLOlo> ah
Dec 17 19:01:53 <jkridner_> the better question is can you implement the AP protocol with a particular dongle.
Dec 17 19:02:06 <LolOLOlo> ok
Dec 17 19:02:26 <mru> some support it, some not
Dec 17 19:02:29 <LolOLOlo> i know some chipsets like BCM4330 that does wifi direct
Dec 17 19:02:30 <jkridner_> there are some Linux implementations with some dongles.
Dec 17 19:02:46 <jkridner_> mru knows better than I do.
Dec 17 19:02:50 <LolOLOlo> oh is there a list somewhere ?
Dec 17 19:03:03 <mru> I don't know anything about this, I'm just making stuff up
Dec 17 19:14:40 <ds2> most USB dongles won't do AP mode
Dec 17 19:15:11 <LolOLOlo> yes i remember that i did not find any that really worked in ad-hoc 2 years ago
Dec 17 19:15:26 <ds2> ad hoc != AP
Dec 17 19:15:32 <ds2> ad hoc should work with most dongles
Dec 17 19:22:51 <_av500_> ad block mode
Dec 17 19:29:58 <woglinde> use 802.11s
Dec 17 19:36:45 * koen looks for a rusty knife to stab libtool rpath handling
Dec 17 19:38:38 <aholler> I'll have a tp-link wl-wn722n with an atheros htc-chip which supports ap-mode.
Dec 17 19:39:31 <aholler> had to search some years until I finally found such a usb-dongle one still can buy ;)
Dec 17 19:44:16 <mru> koen: http://www.ebay.com/itm/150538570044
Dec 17 20:03:38 <ka6sox-away> mru, its a fake
Dec 17 20:04:03 <mru> of course it's fake, it's on ebay
Dec 17 20:04:13 <mru> in a dozen different sizes too
Dec 17 20:04:16 <ka6sox-away> 1st clue...."rusty"
Dec 17 20:06:51 <koen> but it has free shipping
Dec 17 20:07:40 <woglinde> thats the first clue that it is a fake
Dec 17 20:08:45 <ka6sox-away> PT Barnum was right..."There is a sucker born every minute"
Dec 17 20:14:19 <ds2> it is no worse then $1 "terracotta soldiers"
Dec 17 20:25:19 <aholler> LolOLOlo: no need for pm, that one: http://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN722N-150Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B002WBX9C6/
Dec 17 20:25:22 <_av500_> ds2: delivered?
Dec 17 20:28:10 <LolOLOlo> thanks
Dec 17 20:29:41 <aholler> but it has almost the size of the beagleboard ;)
Dec 17 20:30:25 <_av500_> but it has 150 of these mbits
Dec 17 20:31:11 <LolOLOlo> aholler you have successfully used it in AP mode ?
Dec 17 20:31:24 <aholler> yes
Dec 17 20:31:44 <LolOLOlo> neat :)
Dec 17 20:32:04 <aholler> (once)
Dec 17 20:32:18 <aholler> haven't had the time to really play with it until now
Dec 17 20:34:28 <aholler> can't remember if I tried wpa(2).
Dec 17 20:39:23 <aholler> but looking at hostapd.conf I see "wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK WPA-EAP" ;)
Dec 17 20:39:36 <woglinde> hm hm
Dec 17 20:40:19 <aholler> and "wpa=1", so wpa2
Dec 17 20:40:34 <aholler> uups, no, bit0 = wpa
Dec 17 20:41:23 <aholler> but as I said, I just have done a quick test to see if it works.
Dec 17 20:45:44 <aholler> and it did, out of the box with kernel 3.1.x
Dec 17 20:50:10 <ds2> _av500_: local store.
Dec 17 20:59:51 <koen> topfs2: Installing xbmc (11.0-r0+gitr1+379d13c8e9a0e64f1f36b3fb216e5caedb0df73e) to root...
Dec 17 21:01:30 <woglinde> koen hm
Dec 17 21:01:46 <woglinde> java -cacao is only working for me at the moment
Dec 17 21:01:55 <woglinde> -shark dont find some symbols
Dec 17 21:02:04 <woglinde> and -zero crash with uncaught signal
Dec 17 21:02:21 <woglinde> llvm 3.0 based
Dec 17 21:02:48 <koen> woglinde: that's why I want to add shark to BAD_RECOMMENDATIONS so it doesn't end up in the image
Dec 17 21:03:19 * koen also need to forwards port the rxtx recipes
Dec 17 21:04:00 <woglinde> hm -zero worked before
Dec 17 21:04:12 <woglinde> with 2.9 llvm compiled
Dec 17 21:04:17 <koen> yes
Dec 17 21:04:22 <woglinde> but that shouldnt interfere
Dec 17 21:04:33 <koen> zero doesn't use llvm, right?
Dec 17 21:04:56 <woglinde> right
Dec 17 21:05:12 <woglinde> zero is the standard jvm
Dec 17 21:06:16 <woglinde> hm ah looks like is thumbee problem
Dec 17 21:06:22 <woglinde> I updated kernel to 3.0 here
Dec 17 21:06:31 <woglinde> from 2.6.38
Dec 17 21:06:54 <woglinde> okay
Dec 17 21:06:57 <woglinde> than its clear
Dec 17 21:08:53 <woglinde> hm
Dec 17 21:08:58 <woglinde> its enabled
Dec 17 21:09:07 <woglinde> but maybee it changed in 3.0 kernel
Dec 17 21:09:54 <woglinde> koen does zero work at your side with zero?
Dec 17 21:09:58 <woglinde> args
Dec 17 21:10:36 <koen> it ran linpack
Dec 17 21:10:42 <koen> haven't tried anything else
Dec 17 21:10:45 <woglinde> with 3.0 kernel?
Dec 17 21:10:54 <woglinde> or 3.x kernel
Dec 17 21:12:01 <koen> 3.1.0
Dec 17 21:13:19 <woglinde> hm ah
Dec 17 21:13:21 <woglinde> http://old.nabble.com/-Bug-720--New%3A-Error%3A-caught-unhandled-signal-11,-tomcat6,-arm,-debian-linux,-td31604314.html
Dec 17 21:13:30 <woglinde> works here with the workaround
Dec 17 21:21:23 <koen> woglinde: time to upgrade icedtea?
Dec 17 21:23:45 <woglinde> koen xerces told me had some recipe ready
Dec 17 21:23:58 <woglinde> will try ask him tomorrow or next week
Dec 17 21:24:10 <woglinde> in past 10.1 thumbee got back
Dec 17 21:25:22 <woglinde> hm still wonder why thumbee worked with .38 kernel
Dec 17 22:00:51 <koen> there we go
Dec 17 22:00:53 <koen> topfs2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/6527657487
Dec 17 22:03:33 <koen> hmm, that scared him away
Dec 17 22:06:42 <woglinde> *g*
Dec 17 22:06:55 <woglinde> how do you fixed the build now?
Dec 17 22:08:29 <koen> selectively sedding out -rpath
Dec 17 22:09:23 <koen> woglinde: https://github.com/koenkooi/meta-oe/commit/12caa1228a915b70b2f87acd38c644fb4cc011c8
Dec 17 22:10:00 <woglinde> uhm rpath again
Dec 17 22:10:13 <koen> yes
Dec 17 22:10:32 <koen> I think my problem is related to RPs patches to libtool
Dec 17 22:10:49 <koen> I'm not saying that RPs patches are doing something bad, just that they are different from OE-classic
Dec 17 22:11:17 <mru> libtool certainly is something bad
Dec 17 22:11:30 <woglinde> hm why did xmbc does its own atomic stuff
Dec 17 22:11:42 <mru> NIH?
Dec 17 22:11:55 <mru> using __sync_* would be far too easy, right?
Dec 17 22:12:05 <mru> that might even do the right thing
Dec 17 22:12:25 <mru> think of all the fun you'd miss out finding subtle bugs
Dec 17 22:13:16 <woglinde> xmbc you looked at it too?
Dec 17 22:13:26 <woglinde> args
Dec 17 22:13:27 <woglinde> lol
Dec 17 22:13:30 <woglinde> mru I meant
Dec 17 22:13:40 <mru> no, just speculating
Dec 17 22:13:47 <mru> and extrapolating
Dec 17 22:14:05 <woglinde> click the link from koen
Dec 17 22:14:17 <woglinde> or better not
Dec 17 22:14:22 <woglinde> inline asm
Dec 17 22:15:13 <woglinde> hm dmb takes no argument
Dec 17 22:15:35 <mru> that's a binutils bug
Dec 17 22:15:40 <woglinde> ah
Dec 17 22:15:42 <woglinde> okay
Dec 17 22:15:51 <mru> official syntax most certainly takes an argument
Dec 17 22:16:08 <mru> although all current cores ignore it
Dec 17 22:16:22 <woglinde> hm intressting
Dec 17 22:16:37 <koen> I need to upgrade to a newer binutils
Dec 17 22:16:47 <koen> but AIUI iOS has an ancient binutils
Dec 17 22:17:01 <mru> ios has a fork of a 20-year old binutils
Dec 17 22:17:59 <mru> koen: you're not deleting the dmb are you?
Dec 17 22:18:01 <woglinde> mru hm whats the argument doing?
Dec 17 22:18:03 <mru> that is *broken*
Dec 17 22:18:16 <woglinde> mru look at the other patch down
Dec 17 22:18:21 <woglinde> 2 patches fixes atomics
Dec 17 22:18:22 <mru> woglinde: specifies which shareability domain to operate on
Dec 17 22:18:55 <woglinde> hm
Dec 17 22:18:58 <woglinde> only partly
Dec 17 22:19:13 <woglinde> they could even has used libatomic_ops
Dec 17 22:19:32 <mru> or pthread mutexes if that's what they meant
Dec 17 22:19:58 <mru> the barriers are not needed for simple counters
Dec 17 22:20:07 <mru> if the counters are protecting something else, they are needed
Dec 17 22:20:41 <koen> mru: I'm reverting the patches that introduced the iOS changes, I need to take a better look next week
Dec 17 22:20:58 <mru> it all depends on what they use those atomics for
Dec 17 22:20:59 <koen> (apart from upgrading beyond binutils 2.20)
Dec 17 22:23:20 <mru> but replacing the inline asm with __sync_foo() is probably a good idea
Dec 17 22:23:48 <woglinde> mru I suspect ios has a sucking old compiler
Dec 17 22:23:59 <woglinde> which dont have the __syncs
Dec 17 22:24:00 <mru> I know it has one of those
Dec 17 22:24:01 <woglinde> for arm
Dec 17 22:24:27 <mru> ios is close to the definition of suck
Dec 17 22:49:11 <xenland> Hey guys I got a LCD display to be powered up (by backlight woo). I'm use to Arduino mega's set up where they have analog and digital pins printed on the board. I'm looking through the beaglbone documentation and I see alot of randomly named pins like GPIO and I2C and stuff like that... Which ones are digital and which ones are analog?
Dec 17 22:50:51 <koen> you can view the GPIOs as digital pins
Dec 17 22:50:54 <koen> i2c is i2c
Dec 17 22:51:06 <koen> the AIN* pins are hooked up to the ADC
Dec 17 22:51:15 <koen> note that the analog pins are 1.8V
Dec 17 22:53:09 <XorA> that the ADC in the PMIC?
Dec 17 22:54:55 <xenland> wow thanks
Dec 17 22:54:57 <xenland> that helps alot
Dec 17 22:55:19 * xenland goes back to work on beaglebone
Dec 17 22:56:15 <koen> XorA: no, it has a tsc2007 builtin to the SoC
Dec 17 22:57:21 <XorA> sweet
Dec 17 22:57:27 <XorA> that explains the 1.8v limit
Dec 17 23:04:31 <koen> I would've like it to be 3.3v
Dec 17 23:04:42 <koen> if only to drive >7" LCDs with less noise
Dec 17 23:08:05 <XorA> increase you VIO to 3.3v :-D
Dec 17 23:10:28 <xenland> Whats UART pin?
Dec 17 23:10:54 <xenland> i've noticed they are many on the beaglebone
Dec 17 23:11:11 <xenland> didn't see any explanation on UART
Dec 17 23:18:12 <xenland> apparently UART is:  Universal asynchronous receiver/transmitter
Dec 17 23:18:32 <jay6981> serial port
Dec 17 23:19:01 <jay6981> RS-232 iirc
Dec 17 23:23:40 <xenland> So. How does one interface the Angstrom(or any other linux flavour) with these pins? Like for the arduino you just define pins in the programming language is this similar with the beaglebone?  
Dec 17 23:23:58 <jay6981> you just want to sent/receive from the serial port?
Dec 17 23:24:47 <xenland> it dosen't matter which pins i use. I just want for example make a LED blink if i were to plug it into the beaglebone. I think once i figure out how to interface with the beaglebone i can figure out the rest pretty well
Dec 17 23:25:29 <jay6981> well, beaglebone runs linux, so you interface with linux
Dec 17 23:25:47 <xenland> correct
Dec 17 23:26:04 <xenland> hmmm 
Dec 17 23:26:12 <xenland> So i should be asking linux programmers then?
Dec 17 23:26:32 <jay6981> a lot of us are linux programmers
Dec 17 23:26:50 <xenland> oh
Dec 17 23:26:57 <jay6981> you will become one, to an extent
Dec 17 23:27:19 <xenland> So assuming your linux programmer - what do i have to do to the linux kernel to interface with the pins?
Dec 17 23:27:31 <jay6981> you need to define your questions a bit better
Dec 17 23:27:50 <jay6981> it really depends on what you mean by "interface", and which pins
Dec 17 23:27:58 <jay6981> if you want to control an LED, use a GPIO
Dec 17 23:28:22 <jay6981> linux has support for controlling GPIOs from shell
Dec 17 23:28:35 <xenland> Okay see that helps clear up some issues in my mind
Dec 17 23:28:43 <xenland> i didn't know linux could do that from shell
Dec 17 23:28:47 <jay6981> good
Dec 17 23:29:08 <xenland> So how do I go about using the shell to control GPIO pins?
Dec 17 23:29:18 <jay6981> if you want to use the serial port, you have to write a program to write and receive characters from the port
Dec 17 23:29:34 <jay6981> there's a good document on the web about it
Dec 17 23:29:43 <xenland> okay i'll google thanks
Dec 17 23:30:09 <jay6981> somone just posted the link last night…. 
Dec 17 23:30:11 <jay6981> trying to find it
Dec 17 23:30:24 <jay6981> http://www.avrfreaks.net/wiki/index.php/Documentation:Linux/GPIO
Dec 17 23:30:28 <jay6981> close enough
Dec 17 23:30:44 <jay6981> tht's for avr32 though
Dec 17 23:32:30 <jay6981> so you should not have to do much kernel hacking, no
Dec 17 23:32:43 <xenland> awsome even more excited
Dec 17 23:33:08 <jay6981> do you know C and shell scripting?
Dec 17 23:33:53 <xenland> I got pretty good linux knowledge and a strong programming background(mostly PHP, As3 Mysql) but I'm fairly familiar with C and bash scripting yes.
Dec 17 23:34:20 <xenland> this link you provided is educating me alot too!
Dec 17 23:34:22 <jay6981> then you're all set
Dec 17 23:34:27 <jay6981> have fun!
Dec 17 23:34:34 <xenland> thanx buddy!
Dec 17 23:42:45 <wck> hello, can someone here help me get started with my BeagleBone?
Dec 17 23:45:57 <xenland> What did you need help with?
Dec 17 23:47:10 <thurbad> waited all of 2 minutes for a  response.. not very determined
Dec 18 00:27:49 <fumduq> hiyas
Dec 18 00:28:18 <fumduq> having problems with the resolver, anybody around?
Dec 18 00:31:31 <fumduq> watching tcpdump, nslookup isn't even sending the query to my dns server
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Dec 18 03:04:45 <xenland> fumduq: I couldn't get my beaglebone to work with networking until I ran their recommended shutdown and start up command. If your still online - respond and i'll go get it for you
Dec 18 03:05:10 <xenland> thurbad: I know right? People can't just be patient anymore
Dec 18 10:09:27 <aholler_> fumduq: check your resolv.conf
Dec 18 15:32:36 <Alistair> Hi guys, am attempting to build Angstrom for beaglebone all has gone well except for an error on the kernel, any ideas what may be wrong?
Dec 18 15:32:58 <mru> tell us the error
Dec 18 15:33:31 <Alistair> yeah sorry it's not copying over from the virtual client :P
Dec 18 15:36:11 <Alistair> ERROR: Function 'do_compile' failed (see /home/user/git/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2010_x-eglibc/work/beaglebone-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-ti33x-psp-3.1-r2f+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d/temp/log.do_compile.13349 for further information) | nel/config_data.h |   Kernel: arch/arm/boot/Image is ready |   LZO     arch/arm/boot/compressed/piggy.lzo |   CC      arch/arm/boot/compressed/decompress.o | /bin/sh: lzop:
Dec 18 15:44:16 <Alistair> hmm may be ok now
Dec 18 15:44:28 <Alistair> ZzZZzzZ whilst he waits to find out
Dec 18 15:44:52 <aholler> lz is nice, there authors do think all the ram they use has to be real ram ;)
Dec 18 15:44:59 <aholler> s/there/their/
Dec 18 15:46:10 <aholler> oops, replace lz with xz ;)
Dec 18 15:46:37 <Alistair> lol
Dec 18 16:01:15 <aholler> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303975
Dec 18 16:02:34 <LeslieLi> Hi, I'm trying camera on beagle, and I type gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src device=/dev/video8 ! 'video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480,framerate=30/1' ! autovideosink
Dec 18 16:03:02 <LeslieLi> it reports can't negociate format, /dev/video8 is my usb camera, I have load driver correctly
Dec 18 16:03:28 <LeslieLi> any one knows which video sink should I use to display camera in framebuffer mode?
Dec 18 16:11:09 <Alistair> Whooo! OK so built angstrom for Bone, question now is, which location contains the image and which the toolchain?
Dec 18 16:17:03 <Alistair> OK I see where the image is but am unsure where to find the toolchain, on a side note, if I were to add a package via opkg to the beaglebone, what's the most appropriate way to add it to the host toolchain?
Dec 18 17:23:15 <cyberstudent> hi, can i directly drive dc motors from beagle board or i have to use microcontrollers for this purpose?
Dec 18 17:24:16 <TheBurrito> you will have to use controllers
Dec 18 17:24:46 <TheBurrito> at the very least you can talk directly to an h-bridge with level shifting from the outputs
Dec 18 17:25:05 <cyberstudent> controllers connected via rs232?
Dec 18 17:25:18 <TheBurrito> via the expansion header
Dec 18 17:25:29 <TheBurrito> something else you can do is talk to uC over serial though.
Dec 18 17:25:45 <TheBurrito> until I get the level shifting chips I'm doing motor control via an arduino hooked up on usb
Dec 18 17:26:29 <cyberstudent> and if i want to attatch a gps reciever? should i go with usb reciever or rs232 reciever? any insight?
Dec 18 17:27:04 <dsoto> cyberstudent: depends on the interface of the gps
Dec 18 17:27:19 <TheBurrito> As long as the drivers are there for it, either route will not make much of a difference in software on the BB side.
Dec 18 17:27:58 <cyberstudent> wich arduino expansion are u using?
Dec 18 17:28:34 <TheBurrito> I'm using a duemilanove hooked up via a usb hub
Dec 18 17:28:56 <TheBurrito> dirving an L298N from it
Dec 18 17:31:06 <cyberstudent> what are you developing?
Dec 18 17:31:56 <TheBurrito> ultimately a robot for the trinity firefighting competition. But before that I'm just setting it up as a ROV
Dec 18 17:32:25 <cyberstudent> thats great :)
Dec 18 17:32:27 <TheBurrito> It has a wifi dongle and webcam that I'm going to read in and stream out
Dec 18 17:33:07 <TheBurrito> after I get the ROV stuff working it's getting an array of sonar rangefinders and I'll have it start doing autonomous stuff and then work on algorithms for the compeition
Dec 18 17:34:16 <cyberstudent> i am also doing same kind of stuff for my fyp...but never used beagleboard before
Dec 18 17:34:30 <cyberstudent> developing a teleoperated ugv in first phase
Dec 18 17:35:40 <aholler> in the first phase? ;)
Dec 18 17:36:23 <cyberstudent> yeah, if the time permits...then go for smthng else
Dec 18 17:36:26 <cyberstudent> else its enough
Dec 18 17:36:28 <cyberstudent> :)
Dec 18 20:21:10 <ka6sox> morning
Dec 18 20:21:18 <woglinde> hi ka6sox
Dec 18 20:21:34 <ka6sox> hiya woglinde when is fosdem?
Dec 18 20:21:45 <ka6sox> february?
Dec 18 20:22:35 <woglinde> yes
Dec 18 20:22:38 <woglinde> 4-5
Dec 18 20:22:46 <woglinde> so its the first weekend
Dec 18 20:23:57 <ka6sox> yikes....LCA then SCaLE then Fosdem all in 5weeks.
Dec 18 20:24:09 <woglinde> thats life
Dec 18 20:25:21 <ka6sox> true
Dec 18 20:25:54 <ka6sox> and now preempt_rt won't build for 3.2.1
Dec 18 20:26:06 <ka6sox> wonder what I am doing wrong
Dec 18 20:31:14 <xenland> Hey everyone - fried my beaglbone. Now when i plug in my beaglebone from the 5v power supply The only light that comes on is the tiny LED by the 5v power supply and it comes on for a brief second supply
Dec 18 20:36:33 <xenland> Should i RMA it or is there something I can check for it make sure its a dead dog?
Dec 18 20:38:08 <ka6sox> wiggle the connector see if its a loose connection and why do you think you "fried" it?
Dec 18 20:40:29 <xenland> Well for one reason is that when I had LCD screen hooked up into it everything was working great. then i must of moved something becuase everything turned off all of a sudden. Now I get no heartbeat LED blinks and the power LED dosen't turn on (only breifly when you plug it in)
Dec 18 20:40:56 <woglinde> hrms crappy dsl line again
Dec 18 20:41:12 <ka6sox> did you remove everything except the base 'Bone?
Dec 18 20:41:23 <ka6sox> and try to boot?
Dec 18 20:42:17 <xenland> Indeed I have I unplugged everything. then just plugged in the USB cable and i get a brief LED flash(thats it) and then so i try to connect through Linux terminal it says theres no such device
Dec 18 20:42:44 <ka6sox> reboot your computer and try again.
Dec 18 20:42:51 <ka6sox> especially if it was the power supply for this.
Dec 18 20:43:15 <ka6sox> the USB ports will act funny after an overload.
Dec 18 20:43:28 <xenland> hmm alright I will try that. 
Dec 18 20:44:28 <ka6sox> and if that doesn't work try hopping on your left foot...
Dec 18 20:44:42 <ka6sox> (sorry...migraine speaking)
Dec 18 20:48:57 <xenland> Okay nothing is plugged into the beaglebone. Now im plugginging in the USB cord
Dec 18 20:49:04 <xenland> (Just a flash LED)
Dec 18 20:49:11 <xenland> okay now pluggining in the 5v power
Dec 18 20:49:25 <xenland> (Just a flash of LED)
Dec 18 20:50:09 <xenland> I tried mod probe 
Dec 18 20:50:13 <xenland> and then i tried to screen into it
Dec 18 20:50:22 <xenland> "We can not find this device or directory"
Dec 18 20:50:28 <xenland> its fried huh?
Dec 18 20:50:44 <xenland> (Beaglebone LED lights don't heartbeat or flash after the inital plugin)
Dec 18 21:04:20 <ka6sox> xenland, the regulator is coming up, then shutting down.
Dec 18 21:04:46 <ka6sox> so either find the short or....declare it dead and buy another.
Dec 18 21:05:06 <xenland> You don't think RMA can cover this?
Dec 18 21:05:29 <ka6sox> you plugged it in, you shorted it, its not a material defect or a manufacturing defect
Dec 18 21:05:59 <ka6sox> if it is covered...then they are nice people.
Dec 18 21:06:13 <ka6sox> :D
Dec 18 21:06:47 <xenland> hehe. I litterly just bought the thing it would be cool if it could get fixed "magically" LOL Alright thanks mate
Dec 18 21:06:58 <xenland> Peace
Dec 18 21:07:01 <ka6sox> you too!
Dec 18 21:12:04 <ka6sox> I don't set policy on this or even know what it is...but being a board manuf myself its tough to say "no matter what you do to screw it up we cover it" :(
Dec 19 00:06:30 <rabarbarxxx> hi
Dec 19 00:08:30 <rabarbarxxx> does any of you have ever tried connecting usb disk drive to beagleboard?
Dec 19 00:10:49 <mru> I've heard of it being done
Dec 19 00:14:15 <rabarbarxxx> however only when connected to otg it might work doesnt it ?
Dec 19 00:14:30 <rabarbarxxx> coz there is host as well
Dec 19 00:14:35 <mru> which version of beagle?
Dec 19 00:16:45 <rabarbarxxx> rev C 4
Dec 19 00:22:12 <mru> the usb host port should work fine on that
Dec 19 00:23:38 <rabarbarxxx> hmm i ll try
Dec 19 00:24:19 <rabarbarxxx> so just after pluging it i should see it in /dev/ or it's more complicated
Dec 19 00:24:45 <mru> if your os has hotplugging all set up, that should be it
Dec 19 00:45:06 <InTheWorks> I'd like to use usb g_ether module on the beagleboard XM.  Sometimes I get kernel panics.  I read that there is a bug in the 2.6.32 kernel, but I need to use this kernel.  Can anyone point out to me what exactly the problem is and in which kernel version it was fixed?
Dec 19 00:54:36 <joelagnel> InTheWorks, g_ether would've had a lot of fixes since then, and most people here wouldn't use such an old kernel to answer that..
Dec 19 00:58:58 <InTheWorks> joelagnel, thanks for the reply.  According to the beagleboard faq, the problem is "a bug in the USB interrupt management".  So not restricted to g_ether, but I can't find a ticket or patch that identifies this particular issue.
Dec 19 01:01:43 <InTheWorks> I'm actually trying to modify an aptina camera driver and their drivers are based on 2.6.32 kernel.  It would be quite painful to port all that over to a new kernel.
Dec 19 01:12:09 <joelagnel> InTheWorks, the particular USB issue is fixed in recent kernels IIRC
Dec 19 01:21:56 <InTheWorks> Any idea how I might go about finding in which kernel the fix was introduced?
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Dec 19 04:20:56 <yaboo> to play mp4 video which beagleboard would be the best to buy
Dec 19 04:29:57 * TheBurrito cheers! His beagleboard is finally mobile.
Dec 19 05:21:39 * Russ pokes CodeWarrior with a pointy stick
Dec 19 06:00:58 <_av500_> that still exists?
Dec 19 06:06:05 <Russ> yes, and all I want to do is jtag u-boot
Dec 19 06:06:13 <Russ> but I have this huge ass IDE in the way
Dec 19 07:17:22 * Russ boggles
Dec 19 07:17:23 <Russ> -        timeout = timeout;
Dec 19 07:17:24 <Russ> +        //timeout = timeout;
Dec 19 07:19:07 <aholler> do you teach students?
Dec 19 07:35:14 <Russ> who, me?
Dec 19 07:35:26 <aholler> yes ;)
Dec 19 07:36:44 <aholler> anyway, replacing a comment with a comment isn't something to fear ;)
Dec 19 07:38:31 <Russ> no, these are vendors
Dec 19 07:38:42 <Russ> its always interesting seeing the difference from one drop to the next
Dec 19 07:39:01 <Russ> you can really tell when the person doing the work is either unfamiliar with source control or afraid of it
Dec 19 07:41:07 <Russ> a whole lot of '-    <some line>', '+    //<some line>', '+    <some line changed>'
Dec 19 07:58:47 <av500> Russ: it is called "in-file" source control
Dec 19 07:59:00 <av500> usually it also has dates and names of who changed that line and when
Dec 19 07:59:04 <Russ> looking deeper, they are actually keeping stuff in base clearcase
Dec 19 07:59:25 <av500> extra point for keeping older version of that file in the same folders as foo.c.10112011
Dec 19 07:59:42 <Russ> and every file they is -r-xr-xr-x and every directory drwxrwxrwx
Dec 19 07:59:53 <av500> of course
Dec 19 08:00:03 <aholler> uh, poisoned through fat
Dec 19 08:00:13 <av500> more bonus point for having the whole subfolder as working.zip inside itself
Dec 19 08:00:29 <av500> and voila, you have a chinese vendor kernel :)
Dec 19 08:01:00 <aholler> you forgot a the splitted rar inside a big rar
Dec 19 08:02:04 <Russ> oi, I need a fix exec bit script for git
Dec 19 08:04:32 <Russ> -	       " © 2001-2006 Red Hat, Inc.\n");
Dec 19 08:04:33 <Russ> +	       " (C) 2001-2006 Red Hat, Inc.\n");
Dec 19 08:08:54 * Russ wonders why they changed that one...in a file with no other changes, and no others
Dec 19 08:12:04 <aholler> something which complained about non-ascii-characters
Dec 19 08:16:19 <LetoThe2nd> möin
Dec 19 09:46:12 <Openfree`> hi, anyone knows is there any reason must use kernel 3.0.8 for android icecream ?
Dec 19 09:46:24 <Openfree`> or can I still use 2.6.35 kernel
Dec 19 09:46:48 <Openfree`> oops, wrong channel
Dec 19 09:46:50 <woglinde_> you might need to backport some stuff
Dec 19 09:48:11 <Openfree`> woglinde_, what's specific feature? I checked the google's tree, seems no new feature added
Dec 19 09:48:35 <woglinde_> hm did you compare kernel parts?
Dec 19 09:49:08 <Openfree`> woglinde_, hardly to compare, lot changes from upstream 
Dec 19 09:49:24 <woglinde_> o.O
Dec 19 09:49:31 <woglinde_> only the android parts of course
Dec 19 09:50:56 <Openfree`> woglinde_, oh, I checked the commits, not the code exactly
Dec 19 09:51:58 <av500> Openfree`: ICS with .35 is a challenge
Dec 19 09:52:17 <av500> maybe if you drop all accelerated GFX and video stuff....
Dec 19 09:52:58 <woglinde_> gm av500
Dec 19 09:57:00 <Openfree`> why video stuff? and GFX, those two parts should has less connection to kernel
Dec 19 09:57:18 <Openfree`> vendors will always have their own implementation
Dec 19 09:59:16 <av500> new ion memory manager
Dec 19 09:59:21 <av500> its tied deeply in sgx
Dec 19 10:02:31 <woglinde_> ion?
Dec 19 10:02:35 <woglinde_> what the hell
Dec 19 10:02:48 <av500> woglinde_: exactly
Dec 19 10:03:06 <av500> it's a NIH CMA
Dec 19 10:04:08 <Openfree`> av500, although I'm asking question here, but I didn't mean to use beagleboard/TI hardware
Dec 19 10:04:15 <Openfree`> so, not sgx driver
Dec 19 10:05:04 <woglinde_> av500 for ics only?
Dec 19 10:05:10 <woglinde_> or android at all
Dec 19 10:05:54 <av500> woglinde_: I dont think they will drop it for JB
Dec 19 10:07:14 <woglinde_> jb?
Dec 19 10:08:26 <av500> woglinde_: jelly bean
Dec 19 10:08:39 <av500> or whatever j-word they come up with
Dec 19 10:08:51 <av500> woglinde_: ION is there since ICS
Dec 19 10:09:08 <woglinde_> hm the next version okay
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Dec 19 15:42:31 <DavidS> How do I determine what error I have created with my Beagleboard-xM. It boot a couple of times and now it only comes up with the power LED, I have not checked any power levels, or signals as I am not certain what to check. I am using a Fit VGA adapter for video output.
Dec 19 15:42:48 <DavidS> The only mod made to the board is that I bypassed the Poly fuse at RT1.
Dec 19 16:43:33 <Russ> keeping kernel source in an scm that ignores case == FAIL
Dec 19 16:44:16 <prpplague> doh
Dec 19 16:44:42 <mru> I can do one better: scm that randomly alters case of filenames
Dec 19 16:45:29 * koen has developed a hatred for automatic line ending conversion
Dec 19 16:45:57 * mru has seen a cvs setup that added a \r at the end of every line on every checkin
Dec 19 16:46:06 <mru> those files had a lot of \r after a while
Dec 19 16:46:11 <koen> heh
Dec 19 16:46:35 <koen> in my bitkeeper days I had to checkin a patch that had cr/lf
Dec 19 16:46:39 <av500> koen: what about ASCII vs utf-8 source code? :)
Dec 19 16:46:58 <koen> you couldn't get it out of bitkeepr with cr/lf on unix machines
Dec 19 16:47:10 <Russ> I just like it when you get double or triple line conversion mangling
Dec 19 16:47:53 <mru> git is pretty good at sanitising whitespace in general
Dec 19 16:53:52 <DavidS> How do I determine what error I have created with my Beagleboard-xM. It boot a couple of times and now it only comes up with the power LED, I have not checked any power levels, or signals as I am not certain what to check. I am using a Fit VGA adapter for video output.
Dec 19 16:55:01 <mru> one of these? http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/accessories/fit-vga/
Dec 19 16:55:43 <av500> DavidS: no vga output on the BB
Dec 19 16:55:54 <DavidS> This modification was needed for the Fit VGA to work, And it was working well for some time after that.  I did redo the flash with angstram one boot before it failed. before 
Dec 19 16:56:00 <jkridner_> DavidS: do you have the serial cable hooked up to capture a boot log?  seems like something might have gone wrong with your microSD card if the hardware setup hasn't changed.
Dec 19 16:56:10 <DavidS> Yes one of those signal converters.
Dec 19 16:56:33 <DavidS> Unfortunately I do not have a serial cable or adaptor.
Dec 19 16:56:34 <av500> ah, fit vga is active...
Dec 19 16:57:59 <DavidS> I do have a scope and a passive MultiVolt-O-Meater
Dec 19 16:58:01 <jkridner_> why was it required to bypass the fuse?
Dec 19 16:58:24 <DavidS> The Fit-VGA draws 320ma
Dec 19 16:58:32 <av500> from hdmi?
Dec 19 16:58:38 <DavidS> yes
Dec 19 16:58:42 <jkridner_> yikes.
Dec 19 16:58:45 <av500> +1
Dec 19 16:58:48 <jkridner_> no external power supply?
Dec 19 16:59:03 <DavidS> nope all power provided by hdmi
Dec 19 16:59:12 * jkridner_ would not be surprised if something burned up.
Dec 19 16:59:23 <mru> HDMI provides 50mA max
Dec 19 16:59:30 <DavidS> What and how to repair?
Dec 19 16:59:38 <DavidS> Also how to check??
Dec 19 16:59:51 <jkridner_> you checked every voltage in the SRM?
Dec 19 17:00:06 <DavidS> Voltages yes, signals no.
Dec 19 17:00:08 <jkridner_> getting a serial cable would be a nice start as well.
Dec 19 17:00:50 <jkridner_> if the voltages are all right, that's a nice sign.  have you booted with a known-good SD card image lately?
Dec 19 17:01:20 <DavidS> I have a scope.  I guess I could use a breadboard to connect the serial port to one of my Propeller P8X32A boards.
Dec 19 17:02:48 <DavidS> Yes one boot before it stopped functioning, now the USB led flashes on and then it is only the Power LED the SD leds remain dormant.
Dec 19 17:03:35 <syrioosh> when i connect usb hdd  to beagleboard should i expect /dev/sda  without other dificulties ?
Dec 19 17:03:40 <syrioosh> using angstorm
Dec 19 17:04:24 <mru> DavidS: have you unplugged that horrible vga converter?
Dec 19 17:04:34 <DavidS> Yes
Dec 19 17:05:30 <av500> have you stomped on it too?
Dec 19 17:06:36 <DavidS> No :).  I did not see anything in the schematic that should not be able to handle the current.
Dec 19 17:09:41 <DavidS> What are the most likely problems so I can look up some data sheets and check the signals?  I just looked at some of the clock lines, I think that the CPU is functioning ????
Dec 19 17:09:47 <mru> how is the +5V pin supplied?
Dec 19 17:10:09 <DavidS> 1520ma
Dec 19 17:10:31 <mru> nevermind
Dec 19 17:10:36 <mru> I'll look it up myself
Dec 19 17:11:04 <DavidS> only other peripherals are USB KB/Mouse, and the sd.
Dec 19 17:11:20 <mru> which beagle is this?
Dec 19 17:11:46 <DavidS> Oh missunderstanding (oops).
Dec 19 17:12:15 <DavidS> This is a beagleboard-xM rev C
Dec 19 17:15:30 <mru> there's 100mA current limit on the HDMI +5V feed
Dec 19 17:17:26 <mru> specifically one of these: http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/707481-polyswitch-ptc-reset-0-1a-rxef010.html
Dec 19 17:17:48 <DavidS> Take some time to answer syrioosh's question, please ( do not wish to put any one out).      I no that that limit is imposed by the fuse.  I am can not find anything else in line that can not take this current.  If I am wrong pleas let me know where to look.
Dec 19 17:33:45 <DavidS> Ok now that time has been given in the hopes of syrioosh' question being answered.  What component may be a problem with the current limit (other than the POLYSWITCH)?  I would like to know where to look.  Also in the future I will not be using any adapter that is powered off of the hdmi port.
Dec 19 17:37:28 <syrioosh> is the usb hdd supported in beagleboard. 
Dec 19 17:37:28 <syrioosh> When i  plug device to bg nothing happens, 
Dec 19 17:37:28 <syrioosh> shall i expect sda in /dev or i need to configure it 
Dec 19 17:37:28 <syrioosh> I am using linux anrstorm
Dec 19 17:40:20 <DavidS> So long as the USB HDD is plugged in at power on I see no reason that Anrstrom should not support it.  I am not certain if there is any need to modify the devfs.  Also I am not completely certain what device Anstrom assigns to USB mass storage.
Dec 19 17:43:30 <koen> angstrom doesn't assign anything, that's the job of the kernel
Dec 19 17:44:57 <syrioosh> do you have any clues how to chcek wether the proper kernel modules are available 
Dec 19 17:45:13 <syrioosh> i havent been messing with kernel yet
Dec 19 17:52:22 <DavidS> Koen:  Yes though the kernel can be compiled to assign the devfs how ever the developer wishes (I have seen some strange ones in my time in linux).
Dec 19 17:53:04 <DavidS> Also it is often the choice of a loadable kernel module not the kernel itself.
Dec 19 17:53:19 <thurbad> is there any messages in dmesg when you plug in your usb hdd?
Dec 19 17:54:47 <thurbad> is it a flash drive or an external hdd that needs to be powered? and which beagleboard model is it?
Dec 19 18:05:38 <syrioosh> i tried both hdd and pendrive
Dec 19 18:05:49 <syrioosh> no new entry in dmesg
Dec 19 18:06:09 <syrioosh> doc says its host usb not a otg
Dec 19 18:06:22 <syrioosh> however it should work i quesss
Dec 19 18:07:46 <koen> DavidS: devfs hasn't been used in years
Dec 19 18:08:21 <koen> DavidS: the kernel doesn't have any compile switches anymore on how devtmpfs looks like
Dec 19 18:08:29 <koen> besides "on" and "off"
Dec 19 18:19:05 <DavidS> Oh, well that shows how long it has been since I have built a custom kernel.
Dec 19 18:21:47 <Russ> continued awesome, unix symlinks are replaced with a .lnk file, 'MS Windows shortcut'
Dec 19 18:26:43 <Russ> *sigh* 'int Snprint(char * buf, uint32_t size, const char *fmt, ...);'
Dec 19 18:27:04 <Russ> no wonder there is so much new code
Dec 19 18:27:16 <Russ> 'void * MemCpy32(void* pDst,void* pSrc, uint32_t size);'
Dec 19 18:33:56 <mru> Russ: and what do those do? call the real thing?
Dec 19 18:34:38 <Russ> thankfully the Snprintf calls vsnprintf
Dec 19 18:35:14 <Russ> but MemCpy32 is their own optimized memcpy
Dec 19 18:35:29 <koen> FastMemCpy32
Dec 19 18:35:36 <Russ> but they have wrappers for *everything*, so lucky for them they don't need to touch linux
Dec 19 18:44:19 <userx_> Hi again, I'm still having a prob with my BBxM - has anyone had this where the LEDs flash as described here: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/issues/detail?id=102
Dec 19 18:47:32 <userx_> The only other closest thing I got from a google search was this: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/1f0a5911a00bf208
Dec 19 18:47:52 <userx_> which has no solution as well
Dec 19 18:48:36 <userx_> any ideas/suggestions/pointers (and references :) welcome
Dec 19 18:49:17 <userx_> board is xM rev C
Dec 19 18:49:42 <jay6981> someone said that could be the regulators cutting out because of a short iirc
Dec 19 18:52:42 <userx_> also suspected a similar thing, coz it happens even with usb otg, with nothing else connected
Dec 19 19:50:40 <spacecolonyone> Has anyone had issues  and success with getting any of the applets in gnome-system-tools running?
Dec 19 19:51:20 <spacecolonyone> I've been looking at this and can't seem to pin down what the exact problem is.
Dec 19 19:57:53 <soranne> is there any forum for beaglebone?
Dec 19 20:42:50 <_av500_> forum, tsk
Dec 19 20:44:09 <spacecolonyone> av500 you even had any issues with gnome-system-tools? 
Dec 19 20:44:20 <spacecolonyone> ever*
Dec 19 20:53:04 * mru almost wrote he was planning a trip to the bat area...
Dec 19 20:58:45 <spacecolonyone> hmm, bat cave, perhaps?
Dec 19 21:00:10 <woglinde> why you need gnome?
Dec 19 21:00:12 <syrioosh> has any of you worked on devkit8000?
Dec 19 21:05:16 <spacecolonyone> I don't, but I'm more familiar with it than enlightenment, xfce, matchbox, & illume and the system I'm building needs a normal desktop GUI
Dec 19 21:05:20 <mru> spacecolonyone: well, it was supposed to be bay...
Dec 19 21:05:41 <spacecolonyone> I'm certainly open to another interface
Dec 19 21:05:43 <spacecolonyone> heh
Dec 19 21:30:57 <_av500_> spacecolonyone: i would not know a gnome from a small dwarf...
Dec 19 21:33:03 <woglinde> than use enlightment
Dec 19 21:33:29 * woglinde fights with crosscompiling llvm again
Dec 19 21:34:32 <mru> oh dear, that sounds painful
Dec 19 21:36:58 <woglinde> hm yes
Dec 19 21:37:10 <woglinde> both cmake and configure are borked
Dec 19 21:37:46 <woglinde> autotools more than cmake
Dec 19 21:38:05 <woglinde> but on cmake I cannt manifest the order of the libs to link
Dec 19 21:38:20 <woglinde> so one binary cannt compiled properly
Dec 19 21:38:40 <woglinde> mru and you were right arm llvm support is totally borked since 2.9
Dec 19 21:38:56 <woglinde> talked with xrandby about it today
Dec 19 21:39:43 <mru> actually it's almost partway half-decent on trunk
Dec 19 21:44:42 <mru> once I wrapped it up in enough scripts to make it cross-compile for arm, that is
Dec 19 21:58:49 <woglinde> hm I know now how to link llvm-mc but the stupid macros prevents me from doing, still sorts the .a files random
Dec 19 22:03:26 <spacecolonyone> thanks woglinde, I'll give it a try
Dec 19 22:51:10 <ds2> Hmmm
Dec 19 22:52:39 <woglinde> hmmms
Dec 19 23:08:30 <syrioosh> what else can i use instead opkg in angrstrom ?
Dec 19 23:09:34 <mranostay> syrioosh: er?
Dec 19 23:10:25 <aholler> ./configure;make;make install
Dec 19 23:10:44 <syrioosh> i am facing with illegal instruction error when trying opkg upgrade so i think about using diffrent package manager 
Dec 19 23:10:56 <woglinde> o.O
Dec 19 23:11:03 <woglinde> how old is your system?
Dec 19 23:11:38 <mranostay> syrioosh: build your own kernel?
Dec 19 23:11:59 <mranostay> you have NEON and VFP config options enabled?
Dec 19 23:12:42 <jay6981> or the userspace is compiled for the wrong cpu
Dec 19 23:12:43 <syrioosh> it s this Linux DevKit8000 2.6.28-rc9-omap1 #1 Wed Feb 24 15:49:35 CST 2010 armv7l 
Dec 19 23:13:06 <syrioosh> its what was on programmed on it
Dec 19 23:13:45 <aholler> omap1?
Dec 19 23:13:45 <syrioosh> just want to check a few things but all the time something goes wrong
Dec 19 23:15:07 <woglinde> oh my .28 kernel
Dec 19 23:15:09 <jay6981> maybe the opkg binary is corrupt
Dec 19 23:15:45 <woglinde> jay6981 there was some old rev which caused illegal ins
Dec 19 23:15:56 <woglinde> but thats fixed for over a year
Dec 19 23:16:00 <jay6981> k
Dec 19 23:16:12 <woglinde> anyway the kernel is stoneage too
Dec 19 23:16:38 <woglinde> syrioosh update your whole fs to some more recent one
Dec 19 23:16:48 <jay6981> and pray 
Dec 19 23:16:53 <syrioosh> ok so I will try 
Dec 19 23:17:28 <syrioosh> one more question... 
Dec 19 23:19:41 <syrioosh> coz actually im working on devkit8000   should i expect some difficulites porting beagle angstorm  to devkit ?
Dec 19 23:20:47 <aholler> maybe you might read about the differences between omap1 and omap3
Dec 19 23:21:07 <ds2> what instruction is it claiming to be illegal?
Dec 19 23:21:08 <syrioosh> here i have omap 3530
Dec 19 23:21:22 <syrioosh> opkg upgrade 
Dec 19 23:21:26 <ds2> swi? mrc? mcr?
Dec 19 23:21:29 <ds2> undefined?
Dec 19 23:22:29 <aholler> why are you using an kernel -omap1 if the chip is actual an omap3?
Dec 19 23:23:24 <syrioosh> it s flashed by producent 
Dec 19 23:24:01 <syrioosh> have no idea  why it is there ...  
Dec 19 23:24:23 <syrioosh> tomorow i will prepare sd card with newer version i guess
Dec 20 00:30:57 <ismarc_netbook> Hey folks, I'm hoping someone has a suggestion for me, but I've been digging through product page after product page and haven't been able to find what I'm looking for.  I'm looking for a beagleboard/beaglebone-like setup that has pcie/Mini-pcie onboard or available via expansion
Dec 20 00:31:49 <ismarc_netbook> Really looking for ARM A-8 based, but other chipsets could potentially work
Dec 20 00:34:32 <mru> arm with pcie is rare
Dec 20 00:37:02 <ismarc_netbook> yeah, I've been noticing that.  I may end up having to give up on using pcie, but I may be able to do it over serial
Dec 20 00:38:44 <ismarc_netbook> I had the crazy idea of doing hotpluggable CPUs so you could have a low-power/cheap device and attach to a SOC board
Dec 20 00:41:27 <mru> what were you planning on connecting with pcie?
Dec 20 00:43:12 <ismarc_netbook> a board with another arm processor on it
Dec 20 00:44:20 <mru> as a pcie slave device?
Dec 20 00:44:44 <ismarc_netbook> yup
Dec 20 00:45:53 <mru> how would they communicate?
Dec 20 00:48:31 <ismarc_netbook> the slave device doesn't have bootloader/etc. of its own, I hacked together a kernel module that should make pcie connected devices appear as if they're onboard
Dec 20 00:49:05 <mru> it must have its own local memory
Dec 20 00:49:34 <ismarc_netbook> only the cache
Dec 20 00:50:01 <mru> you'll need a lot of custom hardware for that
Dec 20 00:50:05 <ismarc_netbook> to the kernel it would be a multi-socket style setup
Dec 20 00:50:15 <mru> that's not how pcie works
Dec 20 00:51:58 <mru> what interface were you hoping to use on the slave chip?
Dec 20 00:52:14 <mru> you cant just take two pcie hosts and glue them together
Dec 20 00:52:53 <mru> even if you had a chip with a pcie host interface
Dec 20 00:53:00 <woglinde> tegra has pcie
Dec 20 00:53:27 <mru> you still can't just connect two hosts together
Dec 20 00:53:54 <mru> and the tegra very much needs its local ram
Dec 20 00:54:37 <mru> if you wanted something to access all ram through a pcie device interface, you'd need some rather special interface logic
Dec 20 00:56:05 <mru> your average soc has an arm core with an axi interface to the rest of the chip
Dec 20 01:20:18 <ismarc_netbook> (Sorry, had to order food)  there's no expectation of it working without a significant amount of development for the card or the kernel.  And there's already companies with AXI4 <-> PCIe bridges (Xilinx has pretty much the industry standard right now)
Dec 20 01:20:57 <mru> sure, with an fpga you can do anything you want
Dec 20 01:21:21 <mru> but running all memory accesses over pcie is going to suck performancewise if nothing else
Dec 20 01:23:16 <mru> oh, and are you expecting this thing to be coherent?
Dec 20 01:23:43 <ds2> Mmmmm serial memory
Dec 20 01:23:52 <ds2> we are booting off of serial flash, why not serial dram? ;)
Dec 20 01:24:41 <ismarc_netbook> memory access is going to suck, but figured I'd solve that once it was the actual problem, rather than just getting stuff to work
Dec 20 01:25:08 <mru> it will be a problem and you can't solve it
Dec 20 01:25:17 <mru> other than by adding local memory
Dec 20 01:25:19 <ismarc_netbook> something like ram on the chip and hack apart the memory allocator and process scheduler to keep them located on the right chip/ram combo
Dec 20 01:25:26 <mru> so you might as well put that in the design from the start
Dec 20 01:25:57 <mru> there's already numa support in linux
Dec 20 01:26:05 <mru> assuming you got the thing to work
Dec 20 01:26:47 <ds2> make your own arm chip
Dec 20 01:27:59 <mru> and use something like hypertransport or qpi
Dec 20 01:28:19 <mru> not necessarily those specifically, but that class of interfaces
Dec 20 01:28:48 <mru> pcie has far too high latency for a sharing memory
Dec 20 01:29:51 <mru> does pcie support any form of coherency?
Dec 20 01:30:21 <ismarc_netbook> nope
Dec 20 01:32:22 <mru> I'm a bit at a loss trying to understand what sort of system you're trying to build
Dec 20 01:33:27 <mru> running a single kernel and scheduling processes like you hint at is just not practical on a non-cache-coherent system
Dec 20 01:35:33 <ismarc_netbook> it's for proof of concept to get dollars for real board/connector/chip design, but the concept is basically given a small, low-powered device (say, credit card sized but a bit thicker), when inserted into an expansion device, display and processing power are a better fit for the form factor
Dec 20 01:36:07 <ismarc_netbook> so it's in your phone form factor, pop it out, move it to the tablet form factor and it's bigger screen, more processing, same data and applications
Dec 20 01:36:24 <ismarc_netbook> pop it in a netbook, same thing
Dec 20 01:37:19 <mru> cpu hotplug has certainly been done
Dec 20 01:37:31 <mru> but I really don't think pcie is the interface you should be looking at
Dec 20 01:38:36 <ds2> why PCIe? sounds like a bad idea
Dec 20 01:38:46 <ds2> why not something like GigE with a custom phy?
Dec 20 01:38:58 <ismarc_netbook> I started with pcie because it had a protocol I was familiar with, was generally cheap and before looking for cheap devices to work with thought it would be less complex to find
Dec 20 01:39:39 <mru> ds2: sounds to me like what he really wants is a cache-coherent numa system
Dec 20 01:39:45 <mru> with hotpluggable cpus
Dec 20 01:40:17 <ds2> the cache part is going to blow chunks
Dec 20 01:40:24 <ds2> unless you want to do a lot custom stuff
Dec 20 01:40:37 <ds2> a beowulf type cluster is easier to deal with
Dec 20 01:42:36 <jcrigby> koen, rsalveti pointed me to you
Dec 20 01:42:40 <mru> I don't know of any ARM soc with a coherent external interface
Dec 20 01:42:42 <jcrigby> koen, ping?
Dec 20 01:42:55 <mru> jcrigby: he ought to be asleep
Dec 20 01:43:14 <rsalveti> anyone else having issues with u-boot upstream?
Dec 20 01:43:20 <rsalveti> maybe jkridner should know
Dec 20 01:43:26 <mru> what kind of issues?
Dec 20 01:43:51 <mru> I guess I could just read the log in the other channel...
Dec 20 01:43:57 <jcrigby> we (linaro, rsalveti and I) have had issues booting beagle since aneesh did his cache changes awhile back
Dec 20 01:44:32 <jcrigby> for our linaro u-boot we have work around it in the past by reverting aneesh's cache patch
Dec 20 01:45:05 <mru> what does that patch do?
Dec 20 01:45:12 <jcrigby> but rebased to 2011.12-rc1 and the revert no longer fixes the issue
Dec 20 01:45:58 <jcrigby> his patch from back in sep/aug removes the old omap3/cache.s and replaces it with unified omap3/4 code
Dec 20 01:46:22 <jcrigby> it apparently works for everyone since no one has ever complained but me:)
Dec 20 01:46:37 <mru> I rarely update u-boot
Dec 20 01:46:40 <jcrigby> seems there must be something weird about linaro kernels
Dec 20 01:47:08 <jcrigby> ahh, so that is the other possibility
Dec 20 01:47:16 <mru> if it works, why update?
Dec 20 01:47:33 <jcrigby> since we produce complete sd card images we always use lates u-boot
Dec 20 01:47:38 <mru> when I get a new type of board, I usually put something recent on it
Dec 20 01:47:44 <jcrigby> mru, you have a very good point
Dec 20 01:47:46 <mru> and stick with what works until it doesn't
Dec 20 01:47:59 <rsalveti> jcrigby: that's probably because even upstream can be broken
Dec 20 01:48:11 <rsalveti> unless sakoman__ says otherwise 
Dec 20 01:48:12 <ds2> stop screwing with the bootloader!
Dec 20 01:48:15 <rsalveti> guess sakoman__ is always on ti
Dec 20 01:48:17 <rsalveti> tip
Dec 20 01:48:32 <mru> is this classic beagle or xm?
Dec 20 01:48:34 <mru> or both?
Dec 20 01:48:44 <jcrigby> I did ping sakoman and aneesh about this and they had not seen the problem
Dec 20 01:48:47 <jcrigby> xm
Dec 20 01:48:57 <jcrigby> likely both but not sure
Dec 20 01:49:17 <mru> my xm is runnin U-Boot 2011.06-rc2-00013-g3af7a5c (Jun 12 2011 - 15:48:46)
Dec 20 01:50:39 <jcrigby> rsalveti, well I know Toni Rini is running latest since he is the new ti u-boot maintainer
Dec 20 01:51:03 <mru> at what stage does it go wrong?
Dec 20 01:51:09 <jcrigby> and he had hanging issue that he fixed just last week on beagle (or maybe panda...)
Dec 20 01:51:16 <ds2> mru: ready for the flaming from Koen later tonight for using such an obsolete bootloader? ;)
Dec 20 01:51:51 <mru> ds2: it boots the 3.0.4-00810-gdd1dc40 kernel just fine
Dec 20 01:51:52 <jcrigby> mru, it can be random but usually one of two things, kernel crash while running fsck on fs on mmc partition
Dec 20 01:52:12 <mru> oh, the kernel boots all the way into userspace?
Dec 20 01:52:28 <jcrigby> well userspace in initramfs yes
Dec 20 01:52:32 <jcrigby> really weird
Dec 20 01:52:35 <mru> same thing
Dec 20 01:52:38 <jcrigby> yes
Dec 20 01:53:01 <jcrigby> the two cases I have seen are fsck and init crashing
Dec 20 01:53:03 <mru> if it gets that far any traces of the boot loader are usually long gone
Dec 20 01:53:11 <jcrigby> I know
Dec 20 01:53:23 <jcrigby> one would think
Dec 20 01:53:50 <mru> cache-related issues originating from the boot loader tend to look very different
Dec 20 01:54:30 <mru> things like boot loader enabling L2, doing some work, then disabling it without properly invalidating
Dec 20 01:54:39 <mru> then when the kernel enables it again, it gets stale data
Dec 20 01:55:43 <jcrigby> yes, aneesh fixed a bug for omap4 just a couple of weeks ago with l2 
Dec 20 01:56:07 <jcrigby> it was disabled but not invalicated so when the kernel turned it back on there was left over bad data in it
Dec 20 01:56:45 <mru> that's probably the most common error of that kind
Dec 20 01:59:24 <mru> have you tried booting the kernel with L2 disabled?
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Dec 20 04:45:07 <ds2> yet more chatter again with SCALE...grrrrrr
Dec 20 07:07:19 <LeslieLi> Hi, I have tried dvsdk 4.01 on beagleboard xm Rev. C, but failed on kernel booting, some guy said dvsdk 4.01 doesn't support the board, any one knows the issue?
Dec 20 07:27:02 <LeslieLi> How can I build ti hardware codec with gstreamer for beagleboard xm? I have build gstreamer-ti in oe, but there is no Ti codecs found ....
Dec 20 07:40:28 <LeslieLi> and I got failed building ti-codec-engine-test-image.bb in oe, it reports: requires the runtime entity 'ti-codec-engine-apps' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables
Dec 20 07:41:06 <LeslieLi> anything I miss?
Dec 20 07:58:32 <_av500_> \o/ snow
Dec 20 08:08:59 <aholler> cached forever: http://fpaste.org/LGN4/ ;)
Dec 20 08:26:37 <damir__> no tput in angstrom reps :/
Dec 20 08:28:38 <aholler> thats ncurses
Dec 20 08:28:49 <aholler> if I remember correct
Dec 20 08:30:07 <damir__> tput is actually ok, it complained about empty lines, probaby weird characters from pasting from fpaste :)
Dec 20 08:30:23 <aholler> or bin/bash instead of sh
Dec 20 08:30:32 <aholler> it isn't sh actually ;)
Dec 20 08:30:52 <aholler> wasn't bored enough to fix that ;)
Dec 20 08:34:01 <damir__> I have \r\n all over the code, which is messing with bash :D
Dec 20 08:34:54 <damir__> ok I tr -d it, and it werks! :)
Dec 20 08:36:23 <aholler> if you need a name, it's called snow.sh ;)
Dec 20 08:38:00 <damir__> snow on beagle
Dec 20 08:38:40 <damir__> I managed to enable gles on beagle some days ago, If I have too much time, I'll try myself at writing gl snow
Dec 20 08:57:12 <koen> jcrigby: tom asked me questions about uboot cache yesterday :)
Dec 20 08:59:41 <_av500_> unpossible
Dec 20 09:00:02 <_av500_> koen: will uboot also get the CFS?
Dec 20 09:03:47 <Anand> I am using angstrom demo image for beagleboard xM. How to get the wifi working on it. I have Asus n10 usb dongle and it needs r8712u kernel module which is not available with the angstrom image. how to get it working?.
Dec 20 09:12:51 <koen> _av500_: CFS?
Dec 20 10:31:45 <LeslieLi> Hi, I got an error using gstreamer: ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstTIViddec2:tividdec20: failed to open codec engine "codecServer"
Dec 20 10:31:51 <LeslieLi> what is codecServer?
Dec 20 10:32:54 <woglinde> hm not sure if it is the arm or dsp side of the codec-engine
Dec 20 10:33:24 <woglinde> make yure you have codec-engine installed
Dec 20 10:33:28 <woglinde> ups sure
Dec 20 10:35:00 <LeslieLi> I have insmod dsplink cmem ... drivers, I build them from oe, and seems all installed into rootfs
Dec 20 10:35:36 <LeslieLi> my board is beagleboard xm, and I built all stuff in oe with beagleboard, is it comptibale?
Dec 20 10:36:50 <woglinde> hm kernel differs in someparts
Dec 20 10:36:56 <woglinde> maybee codec-engine too
Dec 20 10:37:02 <woglinde> try to use narcissus
Dec 20 10:37:12 <woglinde> for quick test
Dec 20 10:37:43 <woglinde> http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/
Dec 20 10:39:55 <woglinde> hm intressting koen dont differs btw beagle and beagle-xm on narcissus
Dec 20 10:43:13 <LeslieLi> in error report,  it seems the codec is built for omap3530
Dec 20 10:43:23 <LeslieLi> http://pastebin.com/DtyyvxBM
Dec 20 10:43:38 <LeslieLi> here is the report and gstreamer cmd I input
Dec 20 10:45:59 <LeslieLi> I'm building codec test app in http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/, hope it works
Dec 20 10:47:18 <woglinde> Leslieli hm I think you have to setup oe-core
Dec 20 10:47:30 <woglinde> with angstroem and ti layer
Dec 20 10:47:41 <woglinde> but thats easy with koen's setup-scripts
Dec 20 10:47:58 <woglinde> and build all the stuff for beagle-xm
Dec 20 11:03:20 <LeslieLi> woglinde: rootfs build from http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/ can't bootup on beagle-xm...
Dec 20 11:03:27 <LeslieLi> I got kernel panic
Dec 20 11:04:05 <woglinde> yes
Dec 20 11:04:15 <woglinde> than no -xm from narcissus
Dec 20 11:04:21 <LeslieLi> hm...
Dec 20 11:04:31 <LeslieLi> why I bought xm board...
Dec 20 11:04:43 <woglinde> you need to setup oe-core with koen's setup-scripts
Dec 20 11:04:49 <woglinde> and build all stuff there
Dec 20 11:05:17 <LeslieLi> koen has a setup-scripts for -xm board?
Dec 20 11:06:42 <woglinde> noe
Dec 20 11:06:49 <woglinde> setup-scripts for oe-core
Dec 20 11:08:16 <woglinde> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Dec 20 11:53:33 <LeslieLi> woglinde: it seems I solved that codec problem, I change boot.scr to dvsdk 4.01 provided boot.scr, and now there is no error message output
Dec 20 11:54:02 <LeslieLi> but I got another error: ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstTIDmaiVideoSink:tidmaivideosink0: Unable to initialize display, anyone knonws this issue?
Dec 20 11:57:00 <koen> woglinde: there's no difference between xm and classic beagle, same binaries for both
Dec 20 11:59:10 <LeslieLi> koen: I have create an image from http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/, with ti test apps, but it even can't bootup my beagle-xm rev C, I just got a kernel panic
Dec 20 12:10:36 <doublebeta> http://imgur.com/Ahmrw
Dec 20 12:18:25 <woglinde> LeslieLi thats described on the ti-gst site
Dec 20 12:34:20 <harsh11109> Hi
Dec 20 13:30:33 <Nandu> quit
Dec 20 13:39:16 <ka6sox-away> koen, are the feeds still having issues?
Dec 20 13:41:38 <jkridner_> gm all
Dec 20 13:47:29 <koen> ka6sox-away: not that I know off
Dec 20 13:51:11 <Alistair> hey guys, when I generate the Angstrom SDK, what's the typical approach to take to add more packages to the SDK?
Dec 20 13:51:37 <koen> use the included opkg aliases
Dec 20 13:51:44 <koen> but if you need more packages, just use OE
Dec 20 13:51:54 <koen> and write a recipe for the thing you want to compile
Dec 20 13:54:11 <Alistair> ok, well if needs be I'll just compile all the program prerequisits into static libs and include the into the project, recipes still confuse me =P
Dec 20 13:55:03 <koen> heh, static libs
Dec 20 13:55:11 <koen> this isn't the 1960s, you know
Dec 20 13:55:53 <Alistair> well when you're talking about an embedded project with a single function, you don't really need anything else
Dec 20 13:56:09 * TheBurrito still doesn't use OE
Dec 20 13:56:16 <Alistair> + it's faster since as I say, recepies == confusing to me
Dec 20 13:56:46 <ka6sox-away> ewww...static libs
Dec 20 13:57:09 <Alistair> ewww...recepies lol
Dec 20 13:57:12 <ka6sox-away> next thing I'll have to work without an MMU.
Dec 20 13:59:17 <Alistair> I'm all for dynamic libs, it's all I use on Windows, but I find most linux package/build systems confusing like how do I write a recipe, bunch of commands to learn, how do I integrate it, how much I upload files ec
Dec 20 13:59:32 <Alistair> how must*
Dec 20 13:59:54 <Alistair> on the other hand for most libs these days just fire up cmake and build them myself in less time
Dec 20 14:00:08 <Alistair> so I've leaned towards this approach
Dec 20 14:01:59 <mru> for a one-off, just building it is usually quicker
Dec 20 14:02:26 <mru> if you're going to rebuild something many times, writing some kind of script for it tends to save time in the long run
Dec 20 14:02:36 <mru> be it OE recipes or something else
Dec 20 14:03:03 <Alistair> hmmmm, food for thought
Dec 20 15:17:31 <jcrigby> koen, about cache on omap3_beagle, we (linaro) have had trouble sinc aneesh did his cache changes sometime back.  The kernel crashes while mounting the fs in mmc.  If we revert the patch then it boots fine.  Here is the revert in our latest tree: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=boot/u-boot-linaro-stable.git;a=commit;h=537d985febd3b8bf1e5b17e4178903a799d23f18
Dec 20 15:23:01 <mdp> Tartarus, I thought you guys had the cache issues sorted out upstream now?
Dec 20 15:23:58 <Tartarus> Me too...
Dec 20 15:24:22 <mdp> granted, the patch jcrigby is referring to is 6 months old...
Dec 20 15:24:33 <Tartarus> jcrigby: Yeah, when did you guys last try mainline?
Dec 20 15:24:48 <Tartarus> iirc there's been a fix for what you're talking about done
Dec 20 15:25:11 <Tartarus> and I know we (TI) have done a lot of MMC boot testing on v2011.09 w/o that cache change reverted
Dec 20 15:27:27 <mru> that patch does change some behaviour
Dec 20 16:08:24 <Alistair> hey guys, the Angstrom SDK I built using meta-toolchain doesn't appear to have opkg symbols in the environment setup script, do I need to build a different bitbake package?
Dec 20 16:21:30 <beagle123> hi
Dec 20 16:23:29 <Alistair> no ideas why SDK may not include opkg aliases guys?
Dec 20 16:24:35 <beagle123> i maked the beagle validation but last my serial port do not read well
Dec 20 16:25:54 <beagle123> and minicom print strange char
Dec 20 16:30:12 <jcrigby> Tartarus, I have the same problem with mainline.  I have talked to sakoman and aneeshv about this in the past and they have not seen this issue.  So I have wondered if there is something about our kernel and/or config
Dec 20 16:30:57 <Tartarus> Yeah, I wonder about that too then
Dec 20 16:31:37 <Tartarus> We just put v2011.09 through a lot of testing, incl mmc root on BB xM, AM3517EVM, omap3evm and beaglebone
Dec 20 16:31:53 <Tartarus> Only mmc root problems we ran into were 'dto' related
Dec 20 16:32:31 <jcrigby> Tartarus, if I get a chance I will try some upstream kernels and see if the problem goes away.
Dec 20 16:36:15 * mranostay yawns
Dec 20 16:39:23 <mru> jcrigby: I noticed one possibly relevant difference introduced by the (forward) cache patch
Dec 20 16:39:38 <mru> the old code enables/disables L2 only in nonsecure mode
Dec 20 16:40:19 <mru> the new code does a rom call to do it in secure mode as well
Dec 20 16:40:48 <mru> and the auxcr setting code is "wrong"
Dec 20 16:40:55 <mru> it sets a few chicken bits unconditionally
Dec 20 16:41:02 <mru> the old code checks the chip revision
Dec 20 16:41:23 <jcrigby> hmm
Dec 20 16:41:41 <jcrigby> so mainline is wrong and revert is right?
Dec 20 16:41:50 <loxodes> .weather
Dec 20 16:42:01 <mru> the chicken bits are right after the revert
Dec 20 16:42:03 <jcrigby> mru, thanks for looking at this, it gives me some things to try
Dec 20 16:42:06 * mru wrote that code
Dec 20 16:42:32 <mru> I don't know the implications of the secure/nonsecure thing
Dec 20 16:42:34 <jcrigby> well I have found the right person to bug then
Dec 20 16:42:47 <mru> I wrote the *old*, working code
Dec 20 16:42:52 <jcrigby> ahh
Dec 20 16:57:43 <beagle123> i have boot problems
Dec 20 16:57:54 <beagle123> someone can help me
Dec 20 16:59:18 <beagle123> to start pls
Dec 20 17:05:56 <TheBurrito> what kind of boot problems? what board?
Dec 20 17:06:28 <mranostay> way to be vague...
Dec 20 17:07:10 <beagle123> minicom print strange char last validation
Dec 20 17:07:49 <beagle123> beagleboard original rev c4 used
Dec 20 17:10:28 <beagle123> serial ports of the PC does not read more
Dec 20 17:16:19 <beagle123> Now I can only boot in another PC
Dec 20 17:16:29 <beagle123> but they are terrified of doing validation
Dec 20 17:28:41 <TheBurrito> have you tried using the user button for boot order?
Dec 20 17:31:50 <LetoThe2nd> just updated beaglebone to latest angstrom... are the ADCs already somewhere availble there?
Dec 20 17:40:47 <koen> LetoThe2nd: in sysfs
Dec 20 17:43:22 <LetoThe2nd> koen: /sys/devices/platform/XYZ?
Dec 20 17:46:11 <koen> for adc in /sys/devices/platform/tsc/ain* ; do echo "$(basename $adc): $(cat $adc)" ; done
Dec 20 17:47:13 <koen> LetoThe2nd: one of the AINs is used for power measurement
Dec 20 17:48:43 <koen> LetoThe2nd: http://pastebin.com/JRhXJqcv
Dec 20 17:48:53 <koen> LetoThe2nd: and they are 1.8V, so take care
Dec 20 17:50:54 <LetoThe2nd> koen: ah thanks! well the headers provide a vdc_analog anyway, so i would have only used that one.
Dec 20 17:52:54 <nemik> koen: whoa nice! thank you for this info
Dec 20 17:57:20 <LetoThe2nd> connect playstation joystick to bone: check :)
Dec 20 17:59:52 <woglinde> and?
Dec 20 17:59:59 <woglinde> its an usb device
Dec 20 18:01:02 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: not really: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9032
Dec 20 18:36:08 <jkridner> rsalveti: Tartarus: I saw DMA breakage from the cache unification patch, but I haven't seen where it broke boots completely
Dec 20 18:36:21 <jkridner> I haven't rebased on the latest in about a month.
Dec 20 18:36:31 <rsalveti> jkridner: it breaks when mounting mmc here 
Dec 20 18:36:46 <rsalveti> and some random seg faults when running modprobe and a few other process
Dec 20 18:37:01 <jkridner> k.  and reverting the whole unification patch doesn't work?
Dec 20 18:37:05 <rsalveti> we reverted the new cache implementation for omap3 and it's working again
Dec 20 18:37:09 <jkridner> k.
Dec 20 18:38:10 <jkridner> hmmm... cache should be restarted at the beginning of the kernel, so really surprising that u-boot can break modprobe
Dec 20 19:08:42 <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: pong game?
Dec 20 19:09:14 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: nope, just random breadboarding at the moment.
Dec 20 19:14:12 <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: wahlloses Brotbtrettern...
Dec 20 19:23:48 <rmoriz> so… question ;)   where should i ask my BeagleBone related questions.  #beage #beagleboard #beaglebone? ;)
Dec 20 19:26:02 <easyat> Here i'd guess
Dec 20 19:27:12 <rmoriz> ok, so i'll repost my observation/question here.
Dec 20 19:27:20 <rmoriz> I got another BeagleBone today from a different distributor
Dec 20 19:27:49 <rmoriz> the PCB looks lighter, some minor label changes on the board etc. https://skitch.com/rmoriz/g14a5/all-sizes-beaglebone-comparison-flickr-photo-sharing
Dec 20 19:28:30 <rmoriz> I have huge problems with the right one. after approx 24hrs powered it went totally instable
Dec 20 19:28:50 <easyat> different revisions?
Dec 20 19:28:53 <rmoriz> ethernet doesn't work anymore
Dec 20 19:29:14 <rmoriz> both are labelled as A3
Dec 20 19:29:24 <rmoriz> (see ethernet)
Dec 20 19:29:29 <woglinde> rma it
Dec 20 19:30:09 <rmoriz> it's quite expensive to ship to the US I guess :/
Dec 20 19:30:31 <rmoriz> I'll ask the distributor after the holidays
Dec 20 19:30:51 <rmoriz> one user on the mailinglist seem to have the same issues.
Dec 20 19:31:34 <rmoriz> I guess he's not on irc...
Dec 20 19:33:48 <rmoriz> he're is a log of the serial console https://gist.github.com/1488243 — I thought the SD card might be the reason but I switched cards. did not help. the card shipped with BB nor works for nearly 2 days in a different board
Dec 20 19:34:05 <rmoriz> s/nor/now/
Dec 20 19:35:03 <djlewis> rmoriz: have you measured the DC voltage going into the board?
Dec 20 19:35:36 <rmoriz> there is no "validation image" available like as for the pandaboard?
Dec 20 19:36:20 <rmoriz> djlewis: i tried it with usb power and a 5v circuit
Dec 20 19:36:25 <rmoriz> adapter
Dec 20 19:36:35 <mru> should be one somewhere
Dec 20 19:36:38 <djlewis> adapters are not always as marked
Dec 20 19:37:03 <rmoriz> ok but let's say it deliveres 5.5 or 6V
Dec 20 19:37:13 <rmoriz> BB has a overvoltage has it?
Dec 20 19:37:18 <rmoriz> protection
Dec 20 19:37:35 <rmoriz> and it should at least boot underclocked via usb power
Dec 20 19:38:25 <djlewis> usb supply depends on load. about 500ma 
Dec 20 19:38:41 <djlewis> is to be provided
Dec 20 19:38:46 <easyat> it should run with 5v/.5 A
Dec 20 19:38:59 <rmoriz> i have tried it with a 5V/3A adapter I use for pandaboard ES
Dec 20 19:39:04 <rmoriz> didn't change anything
Dec 20 19:40:27 <rmoriz> i once accidently ejected the sd card while the board was powered on. but i can't imagine that this causes such malfunctions?!
Dec 20 19:40:44 <easyat> Someone else was on here who had done that
Dec 20 19:40:49 <easyat> and I believe they thought they had bricked it
Dec 20 19:40:53 <easyat> but that doesnt seem right
Dec 20 19:41:18 <rmoriz> i read sth on the mailinglist but that was regarding the xM?
Dec 20 19:41:40 <easyat> Yea, I think so
Dec 20 19:41:58 <rmoriz> i don't want to brick my new bone that just arrived
Dec 20 19:42:16 <rmoriz> that's why I ask. need some *working* toys for the xmas holidays :)
Dec 20 19:42:58 <easyat> heh
Dec 20 19:43:17 <easyat> beagle presents?
Dec 20 19:43:20 <LetoThe2nd> why does the bone not find any dhcp server when running latest angstrom?
Dec 20 19:43:52 <LetoThe2nd> ifup eth0 just gives "No lease, failing"
Dec 20 19:44:04 <rmoriz> easyat: for myself, yes :)
Dec 20 19:45:00 <easyat> rmoriz: How do you like the pandaboard?  I'm thinking about getting one to play with
Dec 20 19:45:22 <rmoriz> easyat: i got the ES. it's awesome but a different type of board.
Dec 20 19:45:43 <rmoriz> it's not a beagleboard or "arduino-type" thing
Dec 20 19:46:23 <rmoriz> it's quite fast if you use the right kernel
Dec 20 19:46:37 <easyat> What resembles Arduiononess about the Beagle?
Dec 20 19:47:01 <LetoThe2nd> the router says ok, though
Dec 20 19:47:04 <rmoriz> extension slots
Dec 20 19:47:22 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: physical connection there? ifconfig eth0 shows device?
Dec 20 19:47:49 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: yes and yes.
Dec 20 19:48:15 <rmoriz> easyat: beaglebone is made for extensionboards, clear and clean concept
Dec 20 19:48:44 <easyat> Ah
Dec 20 19:48:48 <rmoriz> easyat: PandaBoard is "just" a high power setup for developping android/linux low-level software or hardware
Dec 20 19:49:19 <rmoriz> easyat: one could say the PB ES is quite cheap compared to the specs of BB but it's subsidized by TI
Dec 20 19:49:23 <easyat> I was looking at the pandaboard site, and can't find the power requirments
Dec 20 19:49:43 <rmoriz> http://pandaboard.org/node/226/
Dec 20 19:50:02 <LetoThe2nd> easyat: roughly 1A/5VDC in normal operation, with peaks up to 2A
Dec 20 19:50:18 <rmoriz> they say it needs up to 4A. maybe if you use USB devices, BT, wifi, gpu
Dec 20 19:50:35 <easyat> Not too heavy
Dec 20 19:50:49 <rmoriz> one board is running on battery right now
Dec 20 19:50:53 <rmoriz> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmoriz/6539062691/in/photostream
Dec 20 19:50:58 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: board itself is as i said, the rest is kind of spare for usb devices.
Dec 20 19:51:57 <rmoriz> ES needs 6.9W when idle, and 9.9W with some cpu load (both with WIFI only)
Dec 20 19:52:06 <easyat> ooh
Dec 20 19:52:09 <easyat> I dont want that
Dec 20 19:52:10 <easyat> hah
Dec 20 19:52:25 <rmoriz> (numbers may be inaccurate due to my cheap measure device)
Dec 20 19:52:32 <rmoriz> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmoriz/6539062691/in/photostream
Dec 20 19:52:33 <LetoThe2nd> any ideas concerning the network problem?
Dec 20 19:52:55 <easyat> mm you can't bring your eth0 up?
Dec 20 19:53:34 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: tried udhcpc directrly or what the client is named?
Dec 20 19:54:16 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: not yet. what i don't get is why it seems to fall back to 169.254.79.239
Dec 20 19:54:16 <rmoriz> with angstrom i was not able to bring the eth0 up per default
Dec 20 19:55:10 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: avahi maybe? (zeroconf)
Dec 20 19:55:43 <LetoThe2nd> maybe
Dec 20 19:56:09 <rmoriz> can you assign an ip manually to verify the connection?
Dec 20 19:57:09 <LetoThe2nd> doesn't seem to work :/
Dec 20 19:57:37 <rmoriz> oh no
Dec 20 19:58:23 <rmoriz> but I was not even able to see the mac address with ifconfig anymore
Dec 20 19:58:26 <rmoriz> i got:
Dec 20 19:58:26 <rmoriz> [  647.703198] PHY 0:00 not found
Dec 20 19:58:27 <rmoriz> [  647.706556] PHY 0:01 not found
Dec 20 19:58:48 <rmoriz> (on boot)
Dec 20 20:00:39 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: yeah, i see the same here.
Dec 20 20:02:13 <rmoriz> can you do me a favour and look on your board: does the ethernet socket look like the left or the right? https://skitch.com/rmoriz/g14a5/all-sizes-beaglebone-comparison-flickr-photo-sharing
Dec 20 20:02:58 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: sure. right one.
Dec 20 20:03:06 <rmoriz> weird
Dec 20 20:03:29 <rmoriz> maybe jkridner can tell us if this small design changes have a reason
Dec 20 20:03:45 <rmoriz> and, maybe, if this may be related to some issues....
Dec 20 20:05:01 <LetoThe2nd> stupid question: how do you power your bone, respectively keep the serial alive?
Dec 20 20:05:01 <djlewis> the mail list is a good place to ask
Dec 20 20:05:41 <rmoriz> btw mailing list…i dont receive my own mails. that's a decision by the ml admin, isn't it?
Dec 20 20:06:01 <rmoriz> breaks threadview :(
Dec 20 20:06:05 <djlewis> viagra works
Dec 20 20:06:24 <rmoriz> ?
Dec 20 20:06:30 <djlewis> power your bone
Dec 20 20:06:49 <djlewis> no sense of humor today...
Dec 20 20:06:56 <rmoriz> spamfilter? gmail?
Dec 20 20:07:16 <LetoThe2nd> *facepalm*
Dec 20 20:08:07 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: found it?
Dec 20 20:08:13 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: nope.
Dec 20 20:08:42 <LetoThe2nd> i mean - do you power it over usb? which means breaking the serial connection on every power cycle?
Dec 20 20:15:03 <mru> reset button works
Dec 20 20:16:32 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: yes, that sucks
Dec 20 20:16:34 <LetoThe2nd> :/
Dec 20 20:16:51 <rmoriz> mru: sometimes it did not. I had to push a couple of times
Dec 20 20:17:08 <rmoriz> (ok maybe it worked but i didn't see something happening over serial)
Dec 20 20:17:14 <mru> but I agree it sucks
Dec 20 20:17:22 <rmoriz> neither a "C" nor the Firmware
Dec 20 20:18:07 <rmoriz> mru: besides that the usb solution is great. it took me some time to get serial+networking working on osx but in the end it worked for some hours :)
Dec 20 20:18:08 <LetoThe2nd> still not network.
Dec 20 20:18:44 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: what do the two LED of the ethernet jack show?
Dec 20 20:19:13 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: orange is on, link led on router is also on.
Dec 20 20:19:32 <rmoriz> great
Dec 20 20:19:56 <rmoriz> so it's probably just the nasty angstrom bug
Dec 20 20:19:57 <mru> one led on the eth jack is always on
Dec 20 20:20:08 <rmoriz> mru: if your board isn't broken, yes
Dec 20 20:20:15 <rmoriz> ;)
Dec 20 20:20:19 <LetoThe2nd> so what to do?
Dec 20 20:20:25 <rmoriz> ifup eth0
Dec 20 20:21:20 <LetoThe2nd> http://pastebin.com/UnAXasww
Dec 20 20:21:53 <rmoriz> boot log looks ok
Dec 20 20:22:13 <rmoriz> that PHY stuff is the second port. not sure if it's the gadget-link or what
Dec 20 20:22:34 <rmoriz> what's your router?
Dec 20 20:22:59 <LetoThe2nd> tp-link wr1043-nd, running openwrt.
Dec 20 20:23:23 <rmoriz> some MAC whitelisting?
Dec 20 20:23:43 <LetoThe2nd> none that i knew of
Dec 20 20:24:06 <LetoThe2nd> see also http://pastebin.com/VTDJVfGQ
Dec 20 20:24:06 <rmoriz> does this fail, too?:  udhcpc -i eth0 
Dec 20 20:24:15 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: yeah, fails too.
Dec 20 20:24:36 <rmoriz> RX 0 seems strange
Dec 20 20:24:54 <rmoriz> try another prot on the router?
Dec 20 20:24:58 <rmoriz> port
Dec 20 20:25:20 <rmoriz> maybe it's some DMZ/uplink port?
Dec 20 20:25:52 <LetoThe2nd> already switched ports, and its certainly a normal switched port.
Dec 20 20:32:43 <rmoriz> do you have a mac?
Dec 20 20:33:31 <rmoriz> or a crossover cable?
Dec 20 20:33:35 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: http://pastebin.com/VTDJVfGQ says it has one. no idea if its valid, though
Dec 20 20:33:57 <LetoThe2nd> nope, its a dead simple cable.
Dec 20 20:34:24 <rmoriz> sorry i meant a apple mac in this case ;)
Dec 20 20:34:33 <LetoThe2nd> nope.
Dec 20 20:34:54 <rmoriz> i have no idea about MDI-X on computer NICs
Dec 20 20:35:25 <rmoriz> oh wait. maybe you're using a crossover cable?
Dec 20 20:35:49 <rmoriz> tried another CAT cable?
Dec 20 20:38:06 <LetoThe2nd> kust tried the same cable on pandaboard. works.
Dec 20 20:39:01 <rmoriz> they have probably differnt NIC 
Dec 20 20:39:19 <rmoriz> but to be honest: i have no idea, too :/
Dec 20 20:41:05 <rmoriz> disable dhcp on your router, use whireshark to sniff dhcp request
Dec 20 20:41:20 <rmoriz> or just run a temporary dhcpd on your box
Dec 20 20:42:04 <rmoriz> or both
Dec 20 20:42:19 <LetoThe2nd> ok. good ideas, but not anymore for today ;)
Dec 20 20:42:32 <rmoriz> keep us updated
Dec 20 20:42:36 <aholler> LetoThe2nd: s:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:13279 (12.9 KiB)
Dec 20 20:42:50 <aholler> uups, RX byte is missing
Dec 20 20:42:59 <aholler> so no byte received
Dec 20 20:43:08 <rmoriz> aholler: something is going out but nothing comes back. 
Dec 20 20:43:20 <aholler> no, it thinks it has send something
Dec 20 20:43:29 <rmoriz> ok
Dec 20 20:43:34 <aholler> does mean nothing
Dec 20 20:44:40 <rmoriz> does "arp" show anything?
Dec 20 20:45:12 <aholler> a cross-cable or non-cross could be the reason
Dec 20 20:47:27 <aholler> maybe the panda has autodetection and the bone not, which would be reasonable regarding the price difference
Dec 20 20:48:21 <LetoThe2nd> cable is straight, just verified
Dec 20 20:49:00 <aholler> might be wrong, don't know. And I can't remember if the link goes on even when the cable is wrong ;)
Dec 20 20:49:48 <aholler> but you could use everything which has a gbit-if, e.g. a laptop to check it out
Dec 20 20:50:03 <aholler> gbit always has autodetection
Dec 20 20:50:08 <aholler> (mdi-foo)
Dec 20 20:51:06 <LetoThe2nd> just tried on another router, same result.
Dec 20 20:51:57 <aholler> or maybe just the driver is borked. ;)
Dec 20 20:52:16 <rmoriz> stock image from distributor or already upgraded/updated?
Dec 20 20:52:33 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: same with stock and a new one.
Dec 20 20:52:53 <rmoriz> did it work before?
Dec 20 20:53:15 <aholler> you could play a bit with ethtool
Dec 20 20:53:25 <LetoThe2nd> yes, it worked in the beginning.
Dec 20 20:53:31 <rmoriz> dmesg should show something, too
Dec 20 20:53:47 <rmoriz> when you plug/unplug the cable
Dec 20 20:54:08 <aholler> but dhcp will never work if no bytes got received ;)
Dec 20 20:54:16 <rmoriz> if nothing works, reboot and press a key immeditely to get into u-boot
Dec 20 20:54:26 <rmoriz> you can set an ipaddr there and ping (iirc)
Dec 20 20:54:37 <rmoriz> no idea if this works on BB ;)
Dec 20 20:57:07 <Alistair> hi guys, am I correct in saying that the Bone JTAG currently only works in code composer and that OCD i.e for eclipse is still in progress?
Dec 20 20:58:34 <LetoThe2nd> anyways, off to bed. seeya tomorrow.
Dec 20 20:58:39 <rmoriz> cu LetoThe2nd 
Dec 20 21:01:29 <aholler> maybe switch from polling to dma or vice versa. don't know which driver the bone uses
Dec 20 21:23:54 <mranostay> Alistair: yeah openocd is a wip
Dec 20 21:25:12 <Alistair> mranostay: cool, I've been able to get JTAG going in codestudio easy enough, won't connect to the PRUs though I'm guessing I need to wake them first?
Dec 20 21:26:45 <mranostay> no clue i had no luck with CCS
Dec 20 21:27:46 <Alistair> :(
Dec 20 21:27:47 <mru> if I ever get ccs to work, I'm going straight to vegas
Dec 20 21:27:52 <Alistair> lololol
Dec 20 21:28:02 <mranostay> mru: ok i wasn't going to say it :)
Dec 20 21:28:08 <Alistair> I'm running it in Windows, haven't dared try it on Linux yet
Dec 20 21:28:19 <Alistair> working fine though
Dec 20 21:29:11 * mranostay just soldered some wirewrap to the reset button and was happy
Dec 20 21:29:14 <_av500_> ccs works fine if you have the magic GEL file
Dec 20 21:29:25 <Alistair> lol
Dec 20 21:29:36 <mranostay> all i needed was the reset functionally and i'm lazy
Dec 20 21:29:41 <mru> I had one, but they didn't allow any gel on the plane
Dec 20 21:29:57 <Alistair> I just want to to be able to probe PRU register states :S
Dec 20 21:30:06 <Alistair> ironically the one thing that isn't working
Dec 20 21:30:41 <mru> if there's one thing not working, it's the one thing you need
Dec 20 21:31:27 <mranostay> heh
Dec 20 21:31:38 <jay6981> corollary of murphy's law
Dec 20 21:31:49 <mru> not really
Dec 20 21:31:52 <mru> it's a tautology
Dec 20 21:32:03 <mru> you wouldn't know it didn't work if you didn't need it
Dec 20 21:33:28 <jay6981> reminds me of another law. if you want an argument, go to irc
Dec 20 21:33:43 <_av500_> nonsense
Dec 20 21:35:10 <mru> if you want an argument you go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
Dec 20 21:36:13 <jay6981> haha, classic
Dec 20 21:36:47 <jay6981> not all that different than IRC actually
Dec 20 22:24:14 <ds2> Hmmmm
Dec 20 23:47:01 <syrioosh> how to check kernell flags
Dec 21 00:28:23 <zoot_> Got my bone today
Dec 21 00:33:08 <beagleboner> hi peoples
Dec 21 00:34:23 <beagleboner> any one here
Dec 21 00:35:50 <beagleboner> slow down I can't follow along
Dec 21 00:39:26 <thurbad> 2-minute man right there
Dec 21 00:42:39 <ZOOFDXP> hello
Dec 21 00:43:31 <ds2> sakoman: ping
Dec 21 00:43:43 <ZOOFDXP> why bother?
Dec 21 01:46:20 <mranostay> thurbad: i hate drive by IRC...
Dec 21 01:47:54 <thurbad> yeah...
Dec 21 01:52:22 <mranostay> gah rogue whitespace again...
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Dec 21 05:13:19 <sakoman__> ds2: pong
Dec 21 05:20:23 <ds2> sakoman: was wondering about a patch from you on the ads7846 driver - what was the reasoning for putting in a check for all 0's or all 1's?
Dec 21 05:22:02 <ds2> sakoman: I think it was about a year old. seems to have gotten sucked into other trees that is breaking HW 
Dec 21 05:36:35 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: ping
Dec 21 05:44:34 <sakoman__> ds2: It was an attempt to fail at loading the driver if no ads7846 was actually present
Dec 21 05:45:48 <sakoman__> iirc the register it is checking should never be all 0's or 1's
Dec 21 05:46:34 <sakoman__> and when no chip is present you will typically get all 0's or 1's 
Dec 21 05:56:58 <doublebeta> Uh, tbh I don't know what's going on, but if this is on a DIY board, hopefully there are pulldowns on the datalines
Dec 21 05:57:22 <doublebeta> otherwise, it's arbitrary
Dec 21 06:33:17 <snowrichard> hi
Dec 21 06:33:57 <snowrichard> just found web sites about this platform, i'm thinking of buying the beagle board.  It looks like the hdmi ouput would hook up to my hdtv
Dec 21 06:35:13 <perter-jim> hi , DM37x DSS How to calculate the transmission rate?
Dec 21 06:35:14 <perter-jim> thanks
Dec 21 06:36:00 <prpplague> snowrichard: just fyi, it isn't hdmi, it is DVI-D which is compatible with HDMI, but does not include audio
Dec 21 06:36:46 <snowrichard> all i'd really want is to use the tv as a display, it would not require sound for me
Dec 21 06:37:28 <snowrichard> it has an audio out on board as well
Dec 21 06:40:21 <snowrichard> then again the beagle bone doesn't have the tv out and i could just use my laptop as the display, and save a littl e money
Dec 21 06:41:23 <prpplague> snowrichard: there is a dvi-d board in the works for beaglebone
Dec 21 06:42:23 <perter-jim> datasheet DSS MIPI DSI Maximum data rate of up to 900 Mbps per data pair
Dec 21 06:43:06 <prpplague> perter-jim: i don't recall seeing DSI available on any of the beagle boards
Dec 21 06:43:16 <prpplague> perter-jim: it isn't brought out
Dec 21 06:43:45 <perter-jim> beagleboard dvi use DPI
Dec 21 06:44:31 <prpplague> perter-jim: indeed, you were just commenting on DSI though
Dec 21 06:44:56 <perter-jim> Data Rate (Mbps) = Pixel clock x Format?
Dec 21 06:46:13 <prpplague> perter-jim: slightly different because under DSI the data is serialized, which means the data rates on the serial lines have to be much higher than the pixel clock
Dec 21 06:46:30 <prpplague> perter-jim: plus there is package overhead
Dec 21 06:46:40 <prpplague> s/package/packet
Dec 21 06:48:06 <vidya> hi
Dec 21 07:05:32 <ds2> sakoman: I have hardware that returns 0's on that register and it is a stock chip
Dec 21 07:05:35 <ds2> hence the question
Dec 21 07:18:41 <vidya> i am looking for information about LVDS lcd
Dec 21 07:56:14 <LetoThe2nd> möin
Dec 21 08:53:58 <snowrichard> found a sale on beagle board for less than digi-keys price, bought one, they took paypal
Dec 21 08:55:35 * _av500_ wonders if one can buy BBs on Silk Road
Dec 21 08:56:18 <snowrichard> they had the beagle board C2 for 39.95 plus about 10 shipping to us
Dec 21 15:02:07 <koen> jkridner_: for testing: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.12-core-beaglebone-2011.12.21.img.gz
Dec 21 15:07:01 <jsabeaudry> Anyone has experience running a high-throughput web server on the beagle? I'm thinking of streaming 30 mbps
Dec 21 15:08:13 <woglinde> I would say
Dec 21 15:08:16 <woglinde> forget it
Dec 21 15:08:18 <mru> not possible
Dec 21 15:08:20 <mru> no way
Dec 21 15:08:33 <koen> everybody loves USB :)
Dec 21 15:08:57 <mru> there's always gpmc
Dec 21 15:09:02 <jsabeaudry> How come? I can reach 80+ mbps using netcat tcp
Dec 21 15:09:09 <mru> lol
Dec 21 15:09:16 <mru> on what interface?
Dec 21 15:09:23 <jsabeaudry> ethernet!
Dec 21 15:09:32 <mru> beagle does not have ethernet
Dec 21 15:09:34 <jsabeaudry> eth0
Dec 21 15:09:41 <jsabeaudry> oh beaglebone sorry
Dec 21 15:10:06 <mru> ok, there you have a real ethernet at least
Dec 21 15:10:37 <mru> but you'll probably hit cpu or memory bandwidth limits
Dec 21 15:12:45 <jsabeaudry> ok i see, I can forget about hosting that webserver in a jvm then ;)
Dec 21 15:22:31 <ogra_> you coudl use bonding across a bunch of USB NICs :P
Dec 21 15:25:38 <mru> ogra_: lol
Dec 21 15:26:23 <LetoThe2nd> now everybody, say: "ubuntu way of doing things"
Dec 21 15:30:39 <woglinde> ogra nice idea
Dec 21 15:30:43 <woglinde> I should try it
Dec 21 15:30:55 <_av500_> 30mbit/s?
Dec 21 15:30:58 <_av500_> thats not much
Dec 21 15:31:02 <ogra_> well, you will still hit CPU/RAM limits i guess
Dec 21 15:31:17 <_av500_> thats one blurry movie
Dec 21 15:31:41 <koen> the am335x has a gbit phy, so it should be able to do more than 100mbit/s in theory
Dec 21 15:32:24 <koen> the bone limits it with a 100Mbit phy attached to cpsw
Dec 21 15:33:14 <jsabeaudry> i've done tests using netcat and I can cap a 100mbps ethernet at around 30% cpu usage
Dec 21 15:34:01 <_av500_> so go ahead then
Dec 21 15:34:18 <Nemesis][> Now use the remaining 70% for DPI and yer golden. ;)
Dec 21 15:34:53 <jsabeaudry> I sure will, I was curious to know what http servers people use for high throughput applications
Dec 21 15:35:30 <jsabeaudry> And also, what is the fastest jvm, is it oracle's java embedded ?
Dec 21 15:35:52 <ogra_> i think its cacao on arm atm
Dec 21 15:36:57 <jsabeaudry> ogra_: thanks! I'll test it out
Dec 21 15:37:23 <jsabeaudry> my dream would be able to host all this stuff using clojure :)
Dec 21 15:37:30 <ogra_> talk to doko or xranby in #linaro or #ubuntu-arm for deeper info
Dec 21 15:38:12 <ogra_> they do excessive research for the ubuntu-server arm stuff atm
Dec 21 15:39:11 <woglinde> we will know when I finished my oe java benchmark image
Dec 21 15:39:13 <koen> cacao or zero, shark is currently broken
Dec 21 15:39:41 <_av500_> koen seems to be speaking in code
Dec 21 15:39:53 <koen> ogra_: it depends on the load, for repetitve tasks something like shark is best
Dec 21 15:40:10 <_av500_> not a for() loop?
Dec 21 15:40:18 <ogra_> well, iirc our server focus is on hadoop etc ... for the calxeda HP thingie 
Dec 21 15:40:25 <woglinde> koen I have nearly done icedteapre 1.11
Dec 21 15:40:33 <woglinde> fighting with jamvm
Dec 21 15:40:37 <ogra_> and yeah, shark would be better but nobody works on it
Dec 21 15:45:15 <koen> prpplague: I've worked a bit on your wing suggestion: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/weatherstationv3.jpg
Dec 21 15:45:29 * prpplague looks
Dec 21 15:46:15 <prpplague> koen: interesting, nice concept
Dec 21 15:46:48 <koen> according to my cardboard cutouts it only fits one way
Dec 21 15:47:10 <prpplague> koen: interesting
Dec 21 15:47:15 <prpplague> nice looking design
Dec 21 15:47:44 <koen> I stopped myself from making it cloudshaped :)
Dec 21 15:47:55 <prpplague> koen: maybe add some 50 mil holes on each quadrant of the temo sensor
Dec 21 15:47:59 <prpplague> koen: hehe
Dec 21 15:48:51 <prpplague> koen: gotta do that commute thing into TI offices now.... see ya in a few
Dec 21 15:49:14 * koen hopes prpplague doesn't spill his coffee
Dec 21 15:51:15 <ogra_> 50 million holes .... now thats a lot :P
Dec 21 15:52:49 <mru> for high-performance web serving, people use accelerators like varnish which are very much not java at all
Dec 21 15:55:57 <jsabeaudry> mru: yes very nice tool if the content you are serving benefits from caching/is cacheable
Dec 21 15:56:30 <mru> most things are at least partially cacheable
Dec 21 15:56:48 <mru> almost any website will have some static content
Dec 21 15:59:01 <mranostay> koen: what did you use to design the PCB?
Dec 21 15:59:43 <_av500_> eagle
Dec 21 15:59:49 <_av500_> and he loves it
Dec 21 16:00:09 <ogra_> wow, that still exists ?
Dec 21 16:00:26 * ogra_ used to design hifi components with it in the early 90s
Dec 21 16:00:26 <_av500_> sure does
Dec 21 16:00:39 <_av500_> ogra_: you will feel right at home
Dec 21 16:00:41 <ogra_> i bvet the UI didnt chage :)
Dec 21 16:00:48 <ogra_> -v
Dec 21 16:01:18 <mranostay> heh
Dec 21 16:05:44 <mru> ogra_: of course not, it's not a gnome project
Dec 21 16:05:50 <ogra_> hahahaha
Dec 21 16:06:29 <woglinde> *g*
Dec 21 16:49:06 <jkridner_> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/125911486/cloudftp-wirelessly-share-any-usb-storage-with-ipa is generating a bit of http://beagleboard.org/bone traffic
Dec 21 16:55:00 <koen> http://www.adafruit.com/products/397
Dec 21 16:55:08 <koen> serial port used to transfer jpegs
Dec 21 17:38:43 <TheBurrito2> it's so pretty
Dec 21 17:42:42 <syrioosh> what should I chceck to find out why booting freezes after decompressing kernel linux
Dec 21 17:46:15 <jay6981> syrioosh:  check console is correct
Dec 21 17:46:33 <TheBurrito2> do you eventually get a login prompt?
Dec 21 17:46:42 <syrioosh> nope
Dec 21 17:47:01 <syrioosh> if freezed soon after uncompressing is done
Dec 21 17:47:04 <syrioosh> *it
Dec 21 17:47:16 <TheBurrito2> oh so you do see some boot messages, but then it stops?
Dec 21 17:49:28 <syrioosh> yes... x loader loads uboot  then uImage
Dec 21 17:49:37 <syrioosh>  Verifying Checksum ... OK
Dec 21 17:49:37 <syrioosh>    Loading Kernel Image ... OK
Dec 21 17:49:37 <syrioosh> OK
Dec 21 17:49:37 <syrioosh> Starting kernel ...
Dec 21 17:49:37 <syrioosh> Uncompressing Linux.........
Dec 21 17:49:44 <syrioosh> then stops
Dec 21 17:49:48 <woglinde> pastebin please
Dec 21 17:49:57 <woglinde> use right console parameter
Dec 21 17:51:27 <syrioosh> pastebin ?
Dec 21 17:51:34 <woglinde> google?
Dec 21 17:52:13 <jay6981> syrioosh:  you've been told the answer twice now… time to pick it up and run
Dec 21 18:07:04 <TheBurrito2> if it never says it's finished uncompressing... it's getting stuck somewhere in that step. console parameter shouldn't be an issue yet.
Dec 21 18:14:20 <ynezz> hmpf [RFC PATCH] ARM: new architecture for Energy Micro's EFM32 Cortex-M3 SoCs
Dec 21 18:17:50 <syrioosh> frankly speakin i use devkit8000 which is clone of beagle board
Dec 21 18:18:24 <syrioosh> when i take MLO uboot and uimage from latest angstorym there is mentioned problem
Dec 21 18:18:52 <syrioosh> however when i change uimage to provided with board it runs
Dec 21 18:19:14 <syrioosh> but not everything works fine in system
Dec 21 18:45:01 <jay6981> syrioosh: sounds as if your hardware isn't a very good clone
Dec 21 18:46:50 <syrioosh> firstly i will recompile kernel to see more logs 
Dec 21 18:48:46 <thurbad> if the machine id between uboot and the kernel doesn't match the kernel will intentionally not start
Dec 21 19:29:28 <aholler_> hmm, there are beagles with 1gb mem around or what was that talk about a java-webserver? ;)
Dec 21 19:44:10 <thurbad> wishful thinking?
Dec 21 20:35:25 <syrioosh> is there u-boot.img the same as u-boot.bin ?
Dec 21 20:39:53 <koen> syrioosh: .img is the new .bin
Dec 21 20:40:08 <koen> older versions used .bin, newer versions .img
Dec 21 20:41:03 <syrioosh> so if i have a proper MLO  with .img should work shoudlnt it ?
Dec 21 20:41:27 <koen> yes
Dec 21 20:59:59 <mranostay> koen: is there some reason behind the name change from bin to img?
Dec 21 21:00:20 <koen> mranostay: I really have no idea
Dec 21 21:00:43 <koen> mranostay: but .img is in muscle memory now after typing it wrong a gazillion times
Dec 21 21:00:50 <mranostay> heh
Dec 21 21:00:55 <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: the first one reminded too many newbies of trashbins, so they dumped things.
Dec 21 21:01:11 <mranostay> oh i'm sure
Dec 21 21:01:31 <koen> it's where you can dump worn out shoeleathers
Dec 21 21:02:28 <aholler_> just discard the postfix completly
Dec 21 21:02:43 <koen> no, discard exim!
Dec 21 21:03:00 <aholler_> stupid ancient fat/dos-foo
Dec 21 21:03:54 <LetoThe2nd> short question by the way: how to change the package selection of an angstrom build and recreate the images the preferred way?
Dec 21 21:04:49 <aholler_> mlo has no postifx too (but a stupid name) ;)
Dec 21 21:04:56 <LetoThe2nd> this oebb.sh and bitbake thing kind of refuses to let my head get around it so far. :/
Dec 21 21:05:37 <jay6981> do a cross LFS then :)
Dec 21 21:06:14 <koen> LetoThe2nd: create your own image recipe
Dec 21 21:06:23 <LetoThe2nd> jay6981: not my cup of tea too. so far i've been a ptxdist man.
Dec 21 21:06:24 <koen> LetoThe2nd: IMAGE_INSTALL += "foo bar baz"
Dec 21 21:06:29 <koen> inherit image
Dec 21 21:07:17 <LetoThe2nd> koen: ah i see. deps are pulled in accordingly, i guess?
Dec 21 21:07:34 <jay6981> how many of these build systems are there?
Dec 21 21:07:48 <jay6981> first time i'd heard of ptxdist
Dec 21 21:08:05 <woglinde> thats from pengutronix
Dec 21 21:08:13 <LetoThe2nd> jay6981: well ptxdist is not really new, its even in karims book.
Dec 21 21:08:15 <woglinde> they sell it to there customers
Dec 21 21:08:43 <jay6981> i'm new so I don't know about ptxdist or karim's book
Dec 21 21:09:09 <LetoThe2nd> jay6981: google "karim yaghmour embedded linux" -> buy -> read ;)
Dec 21 21:09:31 <koen> LetoThe2nd: yes
Dec 21 21:09:37 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: just speaking for myself, i've never bought it ;)
Dec 21 21:09:53 <jay6981> my learning process was to buy a beagle and start writing software
Dec 21 21:10:29 <koen> LetoThe2nd: have a look at sources/meta-angstrom/recipes-images/angstrom for some examples
Dec 21 21:10:41 <jay6981> the book i used was the OMAP3 TRM and the ARM ARM
Dec 21 21:10:51 <LetoThe2nd> jay6981: well ptxdist is usually aimed at way smaller targets than the BB for example.
Dec 21 21:10:56 <jay6981> K&R'
Dec 21 21:11:07 <LetoThe2nd> koen: thx, will do
Dec 21 21:12:00 <woglinde> LetoThe2nd o.O
Dec 21 21:12:08 <woglinde> oe can do it small too
Dec 21 21:13:14 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: i *intentionally* left out the comparison (waiting for someone to emphazise it again, thanks), but i know. i never said other wise.
Dec 21 21:14:31 <jay6981> there's another one called buildroot i think?
Dec 21 21:14:33 <aholler_> wget busybox;make menuconfig; make install; echo "done" ;)
Dec 21 21:15:19 <LetoThe2nd> jay6981: yeah, buildroot and ptxdist resemble each other a bit in terms of how they are used.
Dec 21 21:15:43 <jay6981> will those build their own cross toolchain too?
Dec 21 21:16:08 <LetoThe2nd> jay6981: of course.
Dec 21 21:16:10 <woglinde> than you have openwrt buidsystem
Dec 21 21:16:13 <woglinde> openbricks
Dec 21 21:16:21 <woglinde> and the xbmc buildsystem
Dec 21 21:16:28 <jay6981> too many
Dec 21 21:18:27 <koen> woglinde added msp430 support to OE eons ago
Dec 21 21:18:38 <LetoThe2nd> "inherit image" means to inherit what specifically? (looking at systemd-image.bb right now)
Dec 21 21:19:02 <woglinde> koen uhm
Dec 21 21:19:03 <koen> it will use classes/image.bbclass
Dec 21 21:19:04 <woglinde> dont works
Dec 21 21:19:25 <koen> LetoThe2nd: sources/openembedded-core/meta/classes/image.bbclass
Dec 21 21:19:40 <LetoThe2nd> koen: ah ok.
Dec 21 21:20:21 <LetoThe2nd> so when i want to build upon systemd-image, i would do "inherit systemd-image" and IMAGE_INSTALL += $XYZ?
Dec 21 21:20:52 <koen> put a file in the same dir that says 'require systemd-image.bb'
Dec 21 21:21:06 <koen> and then IMAGE_INSTALL += foo bar baz
Dec 21 21:21:17 <LetoThe2nd> hmhm
Dec 21 21:21:47 <koen> LetoThe2nd: like http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-angstrom/tree/recipes-images/angstrom/console-image.bb
Dec 21 21:22:39 <koen> LetoThe2nd: or if you have your own layer: https://github.com/balister/meta-ettus/blob/master/recipes/images/gnome-qt-image.bb
Dec 21 21:23:12 <woglinde> lol
Dec 21 21:23:15 <woglinde> gnome-qt
Dec 21 21:23:48 <koen> don't mock Crofton|work, he will jam your gsm
Dec 21 21:23:56 <LetoThe2nd> koen: ah yes. one question on layers: do i get it right that a layer is basically a config/recipe tree adhering to some specific strucutre, and in my build configuration i list all those layers and give them some kind of "weight" or "priority"?
Dec 21 21:24:09 <LetoThe2nd> when i want to patch womething, for example
Dec 21 21:24:11 <koen> LetoThe2nd: pretty much
Dec 21 21:25:06 <LetoThe2nd> hmkay
Dec 21 21:25:40 <LetoThe2nd> so an obvious use for such a layer would be a specific board support package, right?
Dec 21 21:25:52 <koen> yes
Dec 21 21:26:04 <koen> if you look in sources/ most are BSPs
Dec 21 21:26:36 <koen> the odd ones out are oe-core (the base layer), meta-oe (extra recipes) and meta-angstrom (the distro configs)
Dec 21 21:26:49 <koen> LetoThe2nd: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html says mostly the right things
Dec 21 21:27:08 <koen> although take all that poky stuff with a grain of salt, intel folk are weir
Dec 21 21:27:09 <koen> d
Dec 21 21:27:46 <LetoThe2nd> koen: tried to get started on the yocto thing yesterday, and i so TOTALLY failed.
Dec 21 21:28:10 <mranostay> yet another OE repo
Dec 21 21:28:27 <koen> ignore all that yocto stuff
Dec 21 21:28:35 <koen> that's only for pointy haired people
Dec 21 21:28:35 <LetoThe2nd> i guess i just miss some essential piece of the puzzle.
Dec 21 21:29:23 <koen> yocto is just oe-core rebranded for pointy haired people
Dec 21 21:29:41 <koen> that's the line I give to engineers
Dec 21 21:30:26 <LetoThe2nd> so OE is the base thing, whereas angstrom (and yocto, and...) are "just" layer for it?
Dec 21 21:31:10 <koen> yes(*)
Dec 21 21:31:18 <LetoThe2nd> (not quite sure i get how things are interrelated there.)
Dec 21 21:31:23 <koen> the yocto people like to call everything yocto
Dec 21 21:31:39 <koen> in essence yocto is like freedesktop.org
Dec 21 21:31:47 <koen> and oe-core is a part of the yocto project
Dec 21 21:31:53 <LetoThe2nd> koen: my questions leave out politics, they just try to aim at technical facts ;)
Dec 21 21:32:33 <koen> "yocto" makes releases where it bundles oe-core + bitbake + meta-yocto into something called "poky"
Dec 21 21:32:47 <LetoThe2nd> ok.
Dec 21 21:32:47 <prpplague> koen: i had a bad case of yocto, but i went to the doctor and got a penicillin shot......
Dec 21 21:33:08 <djlewis> leggo my yocto, set it free da da da da ...
Dec 21 21:33:12 <koen> and yocto people call poky "the yocto buildsystem"
Dec 21 21:33:23 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: i've got a bad case of a cold, and doctor just told me to stay in bed.
Dec 21 21:33:55 <prpplague> doh
Dec 21 21:34:34 <LetoThe2nd> koen: not to be nagging now, but what is the *essential* benefit of the angstrom layer thing then anyway? why not just use oe-core and a bsp layer?
Dec 21 21:35:46 <koen> it sets policy like gcc versions, floating point options, etc
Dec 21 21:36:30 <koen> only untill very recently (the past few weeks) angstrom was the only layer using VFP and NEON for armv7a cpus
Dec 21 21:36:43 <koen> oe-core on its own would use fp emulation
Dec 21 21:36:58 <LetoThe2nd> koen: so hierarchy is A) oe-core gives you a sh**load of packages B) angstrom preconfigures building options into a known good way C) BSP makes things work on your hardware?
Dec 21 21:37:18 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: in very simplistic terms it is almost like having a "theme" for the build
Dec 21 21:37:43 <prpplague> (are atleast that is how i picture it)
Dec 21 21:37:58 <koen> LetoThe2nd: that sounds about right
Dec 21 21:38:11 <LetoThe2nd> koen: ah yes.
Dec 21 21:39:30 <koen> if you look at the meta-ti BSP you'll see teh usual suspects like uboot/kernel, but also tons of DSP stuff
Dec 21 21:39:43 <cjohnston> How do I set omapfb.mode?
Dec 21 21:39:56 <LetoThe2nd> so when talking about toolchains, for example, OE would be the layer providing all known versions, and angstrom would pick the wanted one and configure it needed the way, and then build it?
Dec 21 21:40:45 <LetoThe2nd> oO( why "sato", by the way?!? )
Dec 21 21:42:23 <koen> LetoThe2nd: mallum went thru a japanese phase
Dec 21 21:42:41 <koen> LetoThe2nd: it means "sugar" and is green
Dec 21 21:42:49 <koen> *cough* OLPC *cough*
Dec 21 21:42:50 <prpplague> koen: speaking of mallum, have you heard from him lately?
Dec 21 21:43:02 <koen> prpplague: I just friended him on G+
Dec 21 21:43:22 <prpplague> koen: oh! i hadn't heard from him in a few months
Dec 21 21:43:26 * prpplague looks
Dec 21 21:43:34 <LetoThe2nd> koen: *facepalm* just like me naming all kernel releases after scadinavian cities.
Dec 21 21:43:41 <koen> prpplague: but that's the first sign of life in months
Dec 21 21:44:04 <koen> LetoThe2nd: and you're pretty much right about the toolchains
Dec 21 21:44:42 <koen> LetoThe2nd: in this specific case angstrom is using gcc 4.5 from meta-oe since 4.6 in oe-core is not working 100% yet
Dec 21 21:45:42 <LetoThe2nd> koen: so the toolchain configuration is mostly depending on the angstrom state, respectively selected arch, but not on OE or the BSP?
Dec 21 21:47:44 <koen> LetoThe2nd: if you view layers as lego bricks you can freely stack meta-angstrom is the can of spray paint you use to paint it
Dec 21 21:48:02 <koen> it can affect any layer it wants
Dec 21 21:48:06 <LetoThe2nd> koen: you spray paint your legos?
Dec 21 21:48:13 <koen> hell no
Dec 21 21:48:17 <koen> but you get the idea :)
Dec 21 21:48:24 <LetoThe2nd> yeah
Dec 21 21:49:00 * koen needs to zzz now, too much hot chocolate with barbados extras
Dec 21 21:49:09 <prpplague> koen: hehe
Dec 21 21:49:11 <woglinde> nite koen
Dec 21 21:49:26 <LetoThe2nd> sorry for the newbies questions, but as i said - i'm kind of stuck in the ptxdist way of thinking, and to be honest, the OE/angstrom/yocto doc is not really full of clear words.
Dec 21 21:49:31 <LetoThe2nd> koen: gnight.
Dec 21 21:49:45 <prpplague> koen: i'm on my last bottle of the old , good thing Donna is bringing some back...
Dec 21 21:49:49 <woglinde> I hopefully fixed now the last problem with icedteag 1.11pre build
Dec 21 21:50:47 <LetoThe2nd> oO( koen and prpplague soon beginning to speak in pirrrrate tongues? )
Dec 21 21:51:13 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: argh
Dec 21 21:51:39 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: you mean ARRRRRR?
Dec 21 21:51:59 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: didn't say i could speak pirate properly.....
Dec 21 21:53:29 * LetoThe2nd is a big fan of alestorm (http://www.alestorm.net). if you are in the mood for some true scottish pirate metal, here's your chance. plus, they totally rock live ;)
Dec 21 21:54:09 * prpplague bookmarks for review at home
Dec 21 21:54:43 * mranostay waves to prpplague 
Dec 21 21:55:24 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: imagine 800 drunk people singing lyrical highlights like "nancy the tavern wench" or "flower of scotland" while headbanging.
Dec 21 21:55:24 <prpplague> mranostay: greetings
Dec 21 21:56:03 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: so it sounds like a celine dion concert eh?
Dec 21 21:56:10 <mranostay> prpplague: so i'm told you are the one to ask about OpenOCD + FTDI JTAG and the beaglebone
Dec 21 21:56:28 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: kind of. :P
Dec 21 21:56:57 <prpplague> mranostay: i haven't had time to work on it much since the original hacking about a month ago, it is on my todo list for this weekend
Dec 21 21:57:55 <prpplague> mranostay: i have my board modified some, so i suspect that there is a reset issue due to the way the hub and power are implement on the bone
Dec 21 21:58:15 <prpplague> oops wrong X
Dec 21 21:59:59 <ds2> prpplague: you haven't been drafted to go carolling or like this weekend?
Dec 21 22:00:01 <ds2> :)
Dec 21 22:00:15 <prpplague> ds2: not that i am aware of
Dec 21 22:00:29 <ds2> prpplague: wow... understanding 'generator of NMI's 
Dec 21 22:00:39 <rmoriz> hi :)
Dec 21 22:01:00 <prpplague> ds2: ??
Dec 21 22:01:19 <mranostay> prpplague: how so? (powering over usb)
Dec 21 22:04:09 <prpplague> mranostay: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/328a9c693b646816#
Dec 21 22:05:17 <prpplague> mranostay: the 3.3V for the ft2232 is generated from the TPS65217 which resets when Power-On-Reset is generated
Dec 21 22:05:39 <prpplague> mranostay: hence when the JTAG peforms a reset, the power for the ft2232 is reset
Dec 21 22:05:47 <mranostay> prpplague: nice :)
Dec 21 22:07:54 <ds2> see, putting that thing on there is a bad idea ;)
Dec 21 22:09:36 <prpplague> ds2: no, the bad idea is not working out the details before making a product
Dec 21 22:10:41 <prpplague> ds2: over all the beaglebone is great leap forward, imho, for this type of board
Dec 21 22:10:56 <prpplague> ds2: can't help be get a few tweaks that need to be done
Dec 21 22:12:08 <ds2> I am not convincinced having a USB xlator on there is a good idea
Dec 21 22:12:25 <ds2> expose a uart or a level translated one
Dec 21 22:13:34 <LolOLOlo> ft2232 is great :)
Dec 21 22:14:01 <mdp> some of us are in the hate ft2232 camp and some are in the love ft2232 camp
Dec 21 22:14:06 <LolOLOlo> without that most people without external hardware could not see a console coming directly from the AM335x's UART
Dec 21 22:14:47 <LolOLOlo> even if an RS232 jack was on the board, most people dont have RS232 on their laptop nowadays
Dec 21 22:14:55 <ds2> then fix the laptop
Dec 21 22:15:00 <mdp> the beaglebone deciders are in the love camp..because it's cheap cheap cheap and fits their high level vision for the bone
Dec 21 22:15:02 <ds2> stop burdening the poor board
Dec 21 22:15:10 <LetoThe2nd> don't use laptops, use a real box ;)
Dec 21 22:15:13 <woglinde> there are usbserial converters
Dec 21 22:15:24 <LolOLOlo> of course there are external solutions
Dec 21 22:15:28 <mdp> wait…not everybody has a console server?
Dec 21 22:15:33 <mdp> poor people
Dec 21 22:15:58 * djlewis keeps several dual port serial PCI boards on hand :)
Dec 21 22:16:06 <LolOLOlo> if this thing was a low-level MCU board, it would probably have UART exposed
Dec 21 22:16:10 <djlewis> laptops use a dongle
Dec 21 22:16:16 <mdp> mranostay, wrt our discussion about console servers heading down in usefulness :P
Dec 21 22:16:29 <LolOLOlo> i think their choice of making UART available thru USB for debug is just great
Dec 21 22:16:50 <prpplague> i personally like having the usb->uart onboard, but it has to be done RIGHT, and to do it right it takes planning
Dec 21 22:17:06 <ds2> and the fact that it uses a hub to combine things just cripples the board
Dec 21 22:17:09 <LetoThe2nd> LolOLOlo: i *suspect* they just copied it over from their lm3s eval kits.
Dec 21 22:17:30 <mdp> prpplague, and this was done in an insanely short cycle too
Dec 21 22:17:40 <prpplague> mdp: exactly
Dec 21 22:17:42 <LolOLOlo> ds2 right that i might agree with :)
Dec 21 22:17:44 <ds2> short is no excuse 
Dec 21 22:18:18 <mdp> let's just say that it was not opened to a wider audience until very late in that short cycle
Dec 21 22:18:46 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: what annoys me most is you just cannot do a power cycle of the board and watch bootmessages then, becaus you first need to reattach to the new-spawned ttyUSBx first.
Dec 21 22:18:59 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: indeed
Dec 21 22:19:17 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: you can make some changes to do that
Dec 21 22:19:32 <mdp> proper udev setup will fix that
Dec 21 22:19:54 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: powering the ftdi off usb and the rest off psu? ;)
Dec 21 22:20:05 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: yea
Dec 21 22:20:14 <ds2> cut the traces, pop that chip
Dec 21 22:20:24 <prpplague> mdp: udev won't fix this, you have to do some hardware mods
Dec 21 22:20:39 <mdp> I don't understand the use case then
Dec 21 22:20:49 <mdp> this is in the usb powered only mode?
Dec 21 22:20:53 <prpplague> mdp: the thing is, all of these exact issues were already discussed and done with sheeva plug
Dec 21 22:21:01 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: there some easy way to do? or need to scratch leads off the pcb again?
Dec 21 22:21:14 <ds2> the fact is that little detail was pointed out on the channel probally last year and just ignored
Dec 21 22:21:15 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: i am working on a procedure for it
Dec 21 22:21:23 <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: ah cool.
Dec 21 22:21:45 <mdp> ds2, I'm not sure the designers read this channel even if one camps on it
Dec 21 22:22:15 <ds2> mdp: it was in response to a question by a person of power, IIRC ;)
Dec 21 22:22:30 <ds2> it wasn't like it was the usual noise
Dec 21 22:22:40 <mdp> my working setup is to use external power…seems to solve all usability issues for me :)
Dec 21 22:23:16 <mdp> ds2, "person of power" :) hehe, I need to get to know these people
Dec 21 22:24:40 <jay6981> the overo stuff has a ft2232 that doesn't die when you hit reset
Dec 21 22:25:58 <prpplague> jay6981: implemented properly
Dec 21 22:26:19 <LetoThe2nd> jay6981: i wasn't talking about "hitting reset" (you can do that on the bone too AFAICS), but really wanting to powercycle the thing.
Dec 21 22:26:47 <prpplague> mdp: don't get me wrong, i have been on the same end of the schedule and marketing stuff, i know all too well
Dec 21 22:26:58 <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: yea you get it with a reset as well
Dec 21 22:27:04 <mdp> prpplague, I guess we all have
Dec 21 22:27:09 <jay6981> LetoThe2nd: i can do a prcm global reset and not lose the uart
Dec 21 22:28:16 <LetoThe2nd> FWIW, the uart stays alive when you press the reset button next to it, right?
Dec 21 22:28:27 <jay6981> that too
Dec 21 22:28:36 <mdp> LetoThe2nd: yes
Dec 21 22:29:04 <jay6981> all in all, it "just works"
Dec 21 22:29:12 <jay6981> except that there is no hardware flow control
Dec 21 22:29:29 <LetoThe2nd> kind of. hope that i get my ethernet problem sorted out once i'm back at the desk
Dec 21 22:29:30 <prpplague> jay6981: are you providing external power, or only via the usb port?
Dec 21 22:29:53 <jay6981> external power
Dec 21 22:30:21 <prpplague> jay6981: yea that is the catch, if you power completely from the usb, it doesn't work
Dec 21 22:30:38 <jay6981> there's a whole seperate port for the ft2232 though
Dec 21 22:30:46 <jay6981> i think you can power it through the host usb port?
Dec 21 22:35:13 <LolOLOlo> is AM335x's JTAG connected to one of the 2 channels of ft2232 ?
Dec 21 22:36:35 <mru> should be
Dec 21 22:36:39 <LetoThe2nd> AFAIK yes
Dec 21 22:36:55 <prpplague> LolOLOlo: yes
Dec 21 22:37:09 <LolOLOlo> ah so with openocd we can debug the AM335x via JTAG, neat 
Dec 21 22:37:33 <LolOLOlo> see, another good use of the ft2232 ;)
Dec 21 22:37:38 <LolOLOlo> haha
Dec 21 22:37:57 <LetoThe2nd> LolOLOlo: making it literally the 5th incarnation of that on my small desk.
Dec 21 22:38:16 <LolOLOlo> but i agree i would have prefered 2 mini usb ports on the beaglebone
Dec 21 22:38:47 <LolOLOlo> one for ft2232 (uart+ftag) that also powers the board, and one for AM335x
Dec 21 22:39:46 * prpplague decides to go home early to hack on bone......
Dec 21 22:41:33 * LetoThe2nd is also off to bed
Dec 21 23:22:48 <rmoriz> hi
Dec 21 23:23:56 <rmoriz> how does the firmware check if a sd is inserted? is there a special trigger/sensor or if it's ok when all 8 contacts are there?
Dec 21 23:27:01 <jacekowski> i wouldn't be surprised if it's done off write protect sensor
Dec 21 23:28:05 <jacekowski> hmm, there is separate switch for insertion detection
Dec 21 23:28:08 <rmoriz> sorry, on a BeagleBone (micro)
Dec 21 23:28:27 <rmoriz> i'm getting CCCCCCC...
Dec 21 23:28:46 <rmoriz> sd is new, tested with another beaglebone
Dec 21 23:31:15 <mru> it could also simple attempt to read it
Dec 21 23:31:22 <mru> if something can be read, there's a card there
Dec 21 23:32:18 <rmoriz> the slot looks mechanically okay to me :(
Dec 21 23:33:03 <rmoriz> there's no way to do sth in software, is it?
Dec 21 23:33:16 <rmoriz> if firmware throws "C" 
Dec 21 23:34:38 <rmoriz> hm. i should give up an RMA that one.
Dec 21 23:36:10 <rmoriz> back to good stuff (i bought another one that works) ;)
Dec 21 23:36:59 <rmoriz> so laser cutters got popular in hackerspaces and copyshops. is there already a repository or project that has vector files for our boards?
Dec 21 23:37:22 <rmoriz> e.g. for acrylix boxes
Dec 21 23:39:54 <rmoriz> or is that somehow a bad idea?
Dec 21 23:40:09 <ds2> isn't it easy enough to draw up?
Dec 21 23:42:03 <rmoriz> depens on the connectors/extensions i guess
Dec 21 23:43:15 <ds2> nothing a few minutes in a cad program can't fix
Dec 21 23:49:27 <mranostay> hmmm anyone know where the Beaglebone Cape  Eagle PCB files are?
Dec 22 00:07:41 <prpplague> ho ho ho. merry wednesday!
Dec 22 00:09:53 <syrioosh> i have a problem with usb, nothing happens when connect devices
Dec 22 00:09:54 <syrioosh> i enabled all usb devices in kernel configuration 
Dec 22 00:09:54 <syrioosh> but is there any other place  should i look for clues
Dec 22 00:09:54 <syrioosh> and on nand i actually have linux that usb work, 
Dec 22 00:09:54 <syrioosh> so do you know some interesting poins where to look for confiuration information ?
Dec 22 00:09:54 <syrioosh> in order to compare
Dec 22 00:22:15 <mranostay> syrioosh: er lsusb
Dec 22 00:23:24 <syrioosh> # lsusb
Dec 22 00:23:24 <syrioosh> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Dec 22 00:23:24 <syrioosh> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Dec 22 00:25:04 <ds2> something looks f'ed
Dec 22 00:25:33 <syrioosh> so it is
Dec 22 00:25:53 <mranostay> syrioosh: what kind of device and what rev beagleboard/bone/xm you have?
Dec 22 00:26:07 <syrioosh> devkit8000 ;/
Dec 22 00:26:49 <syrioosh> its clone of beagleboard
Dec 22 00:30:31 <aholler_> syrioosh: which usb?
Dec 22 00:30:45 <syrioosh> host 
Dec 22 00:31:00 <syrioosh> i attach pendrive and nothing happens
Dec 22 00:31:00 <aholler_> wrong answer
Dec 22 00:31:24 <aholler_> but I assume you mean the ehci
Dec 22 00:31:34 <syrioosh> yes
Dec 22 00:31:48 <aholler_> so you  kernel-config is mssing something
Dec 22 00:32:27 <aholler_> or you have something as module which doesn't work
Dec 22 00:33:17 <jay6981> he's running some really old kernel because he can't get the later ones working
Dec 22 00:34:05 <syrioosh> sort of true
Dec 22 00:34:49 <aholler_> dmesg doesn't give aclue?
Dec 22 00:36:02 <aholler_> no
Dec 22 00:36:55 <aholler_> you've got ignored
Dec 22 00:37:19 <aholler_> 1. no pm, 2. no logs through pm
Dec 22 00:37:29 <aholler_> n8
Dec 22 00:40:11 <syrioosh> ok
Dec 22 00:40:25 <syrioosh> http://pastebin.com/kVD5igBd 
Dec 22 00:40:51 <syrioosh> output for dmesg  | grep usb
Dec 22 00:49:21 <ds2> which board is this?
Dec 22 02:03:59 <mdp> mranostay, iirc, koen posted what he started with on another channel..I'll see if I can find that link
Dec 22 02:05:59 <rmoriz> hrm
Dec 22 02:06:09 <rmoriz> tried a class 6 sd-card from samsung
Dec 22 02:06:16 <rmoriz> after like 3 hrs starting already with:
Dec 22 02:06:17 <rmoriz>     3.403126] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 1657319
Dec 22 02:06:17 <rmoriz> [    3.409298] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 1657327
Dec 22 02:06:17 <rmoriz> [    3.415470] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 1657335
Dec 22 02:06:18 <rmoriz> [    3.421642] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 1657343
Dec 22 02:06:29 <rmoriz> :-(
Dec 22 02:08:32 <mranostay> rmoriz: that isn't terriblely atypical
Dec 22 02:09:08 <rmoriz> what do you mean? that message or crappy sd-cards? :)
Dec 22 02:09:27 <mranostay> both
Dec 22 02:09:37 <rmoriz> :(
Dec 22 02:13:54 <ds2> is this the card that came with the board?
Dec 22 02:14:00 <rmoriz> no
Dec 22 02:14:33 <rmoriz> i just bought spare cards to test different settings/distributions
Dec 22 02:14:45 <rmoriz> (only 2, no big issue)
Dec 22 02:18:54 <mdp> mranostay, koen's cape repo has the boardzoo.com eagle files
Dec 22 02:18:59 <mdp> https://github.com/koenkooi/beaglebone-capes
Dec 22 02:20:52 <mranostay> mdp: thought of getting one of those nuclear event detectors for my cape. then again i really don't have access to a Co-60 testing device :P
Dec 22 02:21:44 <mdp> http://beagleboardtoys.com/wiki/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Breadboard is the original source
Dec 22 02:21:54 <mdp> hehe
Dec 22 02:22:27 <mdp> are you planning to build a circuit to interface with the plain tube? that's a real project
Dec 22 02:22:46 <mdp> lots of examples from arduino crowd
Dec 22 02:23:37 <mranostay> maybe 
Dec 22 02:25:31 <mranostay> mdp: doesn't seem that hard to do in theory. hardest part is getting/building the 400v power supply to power the tube
Dec 22 02:25:40 <mdp> right
Dec 22 02:26:01 <mranostay> from the there is just really an volt-meter that have to calibrate 
Dec 22 02:26:09 <ds2> tube? what kind of tube?
Dec 22 02:26:18 <mdp> geiger-muller
Dec 22 02:26:27 <ds2> oh those
Dec 22 02:26:45 <ds2> why not get a kit with the booster and just wire the output?
Dec 22 02:27:07 * mranostay wonders if can use Americium-241 to test :P
Dec 22 02:27:30 <mdp> mranostay, it reminds me of the railroad restoration guys I visited saturday…everything is a pain as you head up that direction..reminds me of college high voltage classes
Dec 22 02:28:22 <ds2> if it is a small sensitive tube, just use a banana to test
Dec 22 02:28:23 <mdp> ds2, that's what I would do because I'm lazy
Dec 22 02:28:50 <mdp> mranostay, why don't you just buy a geiger counter in fact? :)
Dec 22 02:29:09 <ds2> mdp: those kits are easy...555 to boost and can drive a LED...use a phototransistor if you need galvanic isolation ;)
Dec 22 02:29:31 <mdp> cool, I knew I saw some stuff like that while I was skimming
Dec 22 02:29:46 <mdp> -ETOOMANYPROJECTS
Dec 22 02:31:38 <mdp> mranostay, another idea is to set your sights lower and do a typical hackaday project..like putting leds on your contacts
Dec 22 02:32:04 <ds2> mdp: electronics goldmine 
Dec 22 02:32:42 <mdp> heh
Dec 22 02:33:29 <mranostay> of course i need to get a tube with helium-3 gas to detect neutron decay :)
Dec 22 02:34:43 <ds2> you can make that out of lithium ;)
Dec 22 02:36:47 <mranostay> ds2: doesn't that burn if exposed to air? :)
Dec 22 02:37:52 <ds2> so don't expose it to air!
Dec 22 02:38:05 <ds2> it isn't like potassium or sodium
Dec 22 02:47:26 <mru> lithium oxidises rather quickly if exposed to air, but it won't spontaneously go up in flames
Dec 22 02:47:42 <mru> it's usually kept in some kind of oil
Dec 22 02:48:12 <prpplague> mdp: i did a fresh git pull on openocd, and now i am having trouble with bone
Dec 22 02:48:22 <mru> or was that sodium...
Dec 22 02:48:23 <prpplague> mdp: trying to find the difference now
Dec 22 02:48:35 <mranostay> mru: ok i think you are right
Dec 22 02:48:47 <mranostay> now i know both sodium and lithium hate water :)
Dec 22 02:49:26 <mru> lithium should be less reactive than sodium
Dec 22 02:58:02 <snowrichard> hi
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Dec 22 08:09:43 <schappi> Merry Christmas guys!
Dec 22 08:17:14 <aholler> /
Dec 22 08:20:11 <ds2> buenos dias!
Dec 22 08:23:27 <reisei> Добрый день!
Dec 22 08:23:55 <sundar> Buongiorno
Dec 22 09:19:34 <LetoThe2nd> möin
Dec 22 09:20:24 <koen> hey LetoThe2nd 
Dec 22 09:25:25 <LetoThe2nd> koen: howdy. back among the living again?
Dec 22 10:22:58 <koen> yes
Dec 22 10:33:34 <LetoThe2nd> \o/
Dec 22 10:43:52 * _av500_ thinks koen is overdoing on near-death experiences
Dec 22 11:03:11 <damir__> I know this isn't beagle-specific question, but anyhow, does anybody know how to unload or reload g_file_storage module with different parameters?
Dec 22 11:04:08 <damir__> if I do rmmod and then modprobe it again, it stops functioning
Dec 22 11:08:29 <sundar> damir__, you can ask this type of questions in other channels, like ##kernelnewbies
Dec 22 11:21:56 <hitlin37> damir__,read this http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
Dec 22 11:43:26 <koen> gah
Dec 22 11:43:30 <koen> missing pullups
Dec 22 11:44:00 <koen> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/weatherstationv3.jpg
Dec 22 11:44:22 <koen> now with pullups for the EEPROM address lines and a table for the settings
Dec 22 11:44:58 <LetoThe2nd> koen: a true classic
Dec 22 11:51:23 * koen realizes the outline is starting to resemble texas
Dec 22 12:11:16 <hitlin37> the weatherstation looks sweet in the pic
Dec 22 12:11:46 <_av500_> koen: I do not dare show the pcb to a hw designer here
Dec 22 12:11:57 <_av500_> 30% of it just to show off the name.....
Dec 22 12:18:33 <sam___> Hello BeagleBoard users... I am having an issue with my bbxm its d13 red led is always on .. what can i do ?
Dec 22 12:24:14 <mru> connect a proper power supply
Dec 22 12:35:05 <koen> _av500_: that actually to keep the 'key' shape
Dec 22 12:35:14 <koen> _av500_: it can only be plugged in one way now
Dec 22 12:35:25 <_av500_> ah
Dec 22 12:35:37 <_av500_> dont you guys know about "key" pins?
Dec 22 12:35:45 <koen> nope
Dec 22 12:37:54 <sam___> it worked on my previous experiments. Its glowing even i connect a usb cable to otg ..
Dec 22 15:33:30 <AlexanderCamargo> Good morning
Dec 22 15:49:59 <AlexanderCamargo> I need some help about connecting IOIO to BeagleBoard. Can someone help me?
Dec 22 15:57:15 <emeb> koen: ping
Dec 22 15:57:21 <koen> emeb: pong
Dec 22 15:57:54 <emeb> hey - question about the feeds for beaglebone: some packages mentioned in the feed browser are missing. What's up with that?
Dec 22 15:58:08 <emeb> stuff like xterm, libportaudio, etc.
Dec 22 15:58:53 <koen> missing how?
Dec 22 15:59:06 <koen> the feed browser shows you the releases they are present for
Dec 22 15:59:11 <emeb> as in when I do "opkg install xterm" it tells me no such package.
Dec 22 15:59:36 <koen> right
Dec 22 16:00:06 <koen> and if you search for xterm in the feedbrowser it will show no xterm for the angstrom release the bone is using
Dec 22 16:00:26 <emeb> OK - so I'm not looking at the full release data. 
Dec 22 16:00:51 <koen> you are
Dec 22 16:01:07 <sakoman__> koen: are you taking bug reports on the weather station board yet?
Dec 22 16:01:22 <emeb> Just thought that armv7a was all that I needed.
Dec 22 16:01:30 <emeb> but there's more to it than that apparently
Dec 22 16:01:57 <emeb> like eglibc too maybe.
Dec 22 16:06:17 <emeb> koen: something else: So I built portaudio on the 'bone and it needed the alsa-dev pkg to link in libasound
Dec 22 16:06:37 <emeb> but there's a lib link missing which caused the portaudio config to fail.
Dec 22 16:06:41 <koen> sakoman__: certainly!
Dec 22 16:06:54 <sakoman__> koen:  "temperateture" is misspelled :-)
Dec 22 16:07:31 <emeb> I had to add /usr/lib/libasound.so -> /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 by hand
Dec 22 16:12:10 <koen> weird, alsa-lib-dev is supposed to have that symlink
Dec 22 16:12:57 <Leo_> ;
Dec 22 16:13:35 <emeb> koen: what's the difference between alsa-dev and alsa-lib-dev?
Dec 22 16:14:23 <Leo_> Hello, I have an issue while installing ubuntu into my beagle board XM:  "Kernel panic: attempting to kill init", could someone help me ?
Dec 22 16:14:44 <koen> emeb: not sure
Dec 22 16:15:01 <emeb> koen: I installed alsa-dev, not alsa-lib-dev
Dec 22 16:15:04 <emeb> fwiw
Dec 22 16:15:05 <koen> emeb: one seems to have the headers, the other the symlink, which is weird
Dec 22 16:15:15 <emeb> heh.
Dec 22 16:17:20 <Leo_> ?
Dec 22 17:09:22 <koen> prpplague: if I say "blue bottles", do you know what I mean?
Dec 22 17:09:44 <emeb> flies?
Dec 22 17:15:26 <prpplague> koen: sorry not without some context
Dec 22 17:18:51 <koen> apparentlty mount gay has started using blue bottles for export
Dec 22 17:21:45 <xxiao> panda 4430 u-boot is upstreamed fully, anyone knows the status of spl?
Dec 22 17:21:57 <xxiao> could not find the 'right' git for it
Dec 22 17:22:22 <prpplague> koen: oh
Dec 22 17:22:25 <prpplague> koen: interesting
Dec 22 17:22:35 <prpplague> koen: of course i always get mine from the source
Dec 22 17:22:42 <prpplague> koen: so i would not know
Dec 22 17:26:59 <rmoriz> hi
Dec 22 17:34:48 <xxiao> found out upstream u-boot now builds both u-boot.bin and spl together, great
Dec 22 17:34:55 <xxiao> need test that tonight
Dec 22 17:52:15 <xxiao> systemd really likes long names, need type almost double to do the same sysv task
Dec 22 17:53:50 <ka6sox-away> double the length of name, half the time to do it.
Dec 22 17:56:56 <xxiao> opensuse is moving to systemd, ubuntu stuck with upstart, not sure debian
Dec 22 17:57:14 <koen> xxiao: the debian situation is funny
Dec 22 17:57:17 <ka6sox-away> debian will move when the cows come home.
Dec 22 17:57:25 <koen> debian wants to support HURD and *BSD kernels as well
Dec 22 17:57:38 <xxiao> debian is important to embedded space, ubuntu? i don't really care
Dec 22 17:58:01 <xxiao> debian should get rid of HURD long time back
Dec 22 17:58:33 <xxiao> anyway hate to learn multiple 'start' scripts
Dec 22 17:58:43 <koen> lennart said something like "If you want to stay behind to support toy OSes, go ahead"
Dec 22 17:58:57 <koen> if you are bored during the holidays, dig up that thread :)
Dec 22 17:59:13 <xxiao> while angstrom is using systemd, what about the yocto/oe-core?
Dec 22 17:59:21 <xxiao> will systemd be part of oe-core/meta-oe
Dec 22 17:59:30 <xxiao> i didnot really dig into systemd yet
Dec 22 17:59:33 <xxiao> but intend to do so
Dec 22 18:00:37 <xxiao> koen: the fast startup time brought by systemd, i.e. the presentation you did, is very impressive
Dec 22 18:01:44 <xxiao> koen: since angstrom is a distro, is it feasible to make it support other archs, say, ppc
Dec 22 18:02:14 <xxiao> system builder from mentor has very limited recipes, good for bsp, useless otherwise
Dec 22 18:02:17 * koen looks at angstrom running on a ppc450 and ppc603e on his desk
Dec 22 18:02:44 <xxiao> so it works already? 
Dec 22 18:03:45 <xxiao> saw a qemuppc options tehre
Dec 22 18:04:03 <xxiao> ok, let me see what can be done for e500 cores
Dec 22 18:04:48 <koen> it worked in oe classic, haven't tried oe-core
Dec 22 18:05:10 <xxiao> i noticed there is a fsl meta layer at yocto but had not played with it
Dec 22 18:05:47 <Russ> speaking of fsl, e500, and mentor, does anyone know if freescale's or mentors git trees are available somewhere?
Dec 22 18:06:16 <xxiao> Russ: it's not really about freescale, more of a mentor question
Dec 22 18:06:23 <xxiao> Russ: i could not find any
Dec 22 18:07:08 <xxiao> but i have access to system builder stuff though
Dec 22 18:09:27 <xxiao> Russ: for freescale side, try http://git.freescale.com (powerpc repo) and http://opensource.freescale.com (imx kerne)
Dec 22 18:09:52 <Russ> ah, "Kumar Gala", that name is really familiar
Dec 22 18:10:04 <xxiao> the imx repo is hosted on a 386 with dial-up modem, as it's super slow when you clone
Dec 22 18:10:15 <Russ> I don't think I'm dealing with anything imx
Dec 22 18:10:25 <xxiao> kumar gala, yeah, we're in the same team a while back
Dec 22 18:10:38 <xxiao> he does e500 kernel stuff
Dec 22 18:11:01 <xxiao> very smart guy
Dec 22 18:32:44 <Russ> odd, when I pull http://git.freescale.com/git/cgit.cgi/ppc/sdk/u-boot.git/ I don't get all the tags
Dec 22 18:48:16 <emeb> big fun trying to figure out why the beaglebone won't recognize a usb-midi controller.
Dec 22 18:49:06 <koen> MUSB
Dec 22 18:49:33 <emeb> I'm using the host port.
Dec 22 18:50:15 <emeb> the device is seen by the kernel & the VID/PID & id text is logged, but udev isn't creating the /dev nodes.
Dec 22 18:51:04 <emeb> same controller works fine on a C2 BB.
Dec 22 18:51:20 <koen> host port is still MUSB :(
Dec 22 18:51:25 <koen> there's 2 of them on bone
Dec 22 18:51:32 <emeb> OK.
Dec 22 18:51:55 <emeb> The host port works fine with a USB Audio device though.
Dec 22 18:52:05 <koen> iirc I enabled usb midi support, but have a look and /proc/config.gz
Dec 22 18:52:20 <emeb> will do.
Dec 22 18:52:49 <emeb> I've dumped a udev log for the working hookup on the BB for comparison too...
Dec 22 18:58:56 <emeb> I believe USB MIDI is part of SND_USB_AUDIO which is enabled (qed - the audio dongle works)
Dec 22 18:59:31 <emeb> but zcat of /proc/config.gz confirms CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO=y
Dec 22 19:05:04 <emeb> udev generates a lot of info!
Dec 22 19:10:14 <emeb> OK - looks like the usb midi is actually working, but the final link create /dev/midi1 -> /dev/snd/midiC1D0 isn't happening.
Dec 22 19:15:22 <LolOLOlo> emeb you make the BB appear as a midi device to the host computer ?
Dec 22 19:16:00 <emeb> LolOLOlo: no - making the BB act as a synth with an midi keyboard.
Dec 22 19:16:19 <LolOLOlo> oh that's really neat
Dec 22 19:16:55 <LolOLOlo> so BB is the host then ? i thought it could only be "device" because no OTG on it ?
Dec 22 19:17:11 <LolOLOlo> oh sorry
Dec 22 19:17:19 <LolOLOlo> mistake :D
Dec 22 19:17:24 <LolOLOlo> haha
Dec 22 19:17:37 <Russ> bb has otg...
Dec 22 19:17:46 <LolOLOlo> emeb is it your own synth or some opensource thing ?
Dec 22 19:18:15 <emeb> LolOLOlo: Working with some pro synth SW devs on a little project - code is proprietary.
Dec 22 19:18:50 <LolOLOlo> nice
Dec 22 19:18:59 <emeb> See here: http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.php?blogid=1316213971302
Dec 22 19:19:38 <emeb> now just working on getting it going on the beaglebone.
Dec 22 19:20:12 <LolOLOlo> interesting
Dec 22 19:21:16 * Russ notices youtube trying to get in on the x-mas thing with a "snow" button
Dec 22 19:21:29 <mru> at least it's off by default
Dec 22 19:21:47 <_av500_> lol snow
Dec 22 19:22:02 <_av500_> thats so last millenium
Dec 22 19:22:06 <mru> also https://www.google.com/search?q=let+it+snow
Dec 22 19:22:23 <mru> anyone remember xsnow?
Dec 22 19:22:23 <_av500_> booooooring
Dec 22 19:22:31 <_av500_> yes, xsnow
Dec 22 19:22:45 * mru made xsnowplow
Dec 22 19:22:55 <mru> to be run in parallel with xsnow
Dec 22 19:23:10 <mru> a little snowplow would clean the snow off the tops of windows
Dec 22 19:23:20 <koen> how does xsnow interact with xflame?
Dec 22 19:23:28 <_av500_> it xplodes
Dec 22 19:23:32 <mru> it produces xsteam
Dec 22 19:23:43 <_av500_> with xdrm?
Dec 22 19:24:41 * _av500_ is sitting in xice
Dec 22 19:25:16 <woglinde_> xsnow is cool
Dec 22 19:25:53 <koen> where did my recipe for that go?
Dec 22 19:26:01 <_av500_> most snow is
Dec 22 19:26:01 <koen> I remember running it on my ipaq h2200
Dec 22 19:29:16 <ds2> Mmmmmm ipaq
Dec 22 19:30:25 * Russ just remembers schmpoo
Dec 22 19:31:03 * Russ notices xsnow is broken under gnome3
Dec 22 19:32:52 <ds2> probally due to the poor gnomes being buried head deep?
Dec 22 19:33:27 <Russ> probably due to compositing
Dec 22 19:33:45 <Russ> 'Major opcode of failed request:  15 (X_QueryTree)'
Dec 22 19:38:19 <mru> that's pretty shit
Dec 22 19:38:38 <mru> did they somehow break traversing the window tree?
Dec 22 19:38:44 <mru> does xwininfo still work?
Dec 22 19:38:51 <mru> try running xwininfo -root -tree
Dec 22 19:40:01 <Russ> that works
Dec 22 19:54:32 <_av500_> I just got a handspring visor as a gift
Dec 22 19:54:34 <_av500_> is thta good?
Dec 22 19:55:04 <Russ> deluxe?
Dec 22 19:55:09 <_av500_> koen: btw, metawatch is a big fail I am told
Dec 22 19:55:16 <_av500_> Russ: its green transparent
Dec 22 20:02:03 <ds2> 9
Dec 22 20:02:21 <ds2> metawatch kind of works
Dec 22 20:02:30 <ds2> just fix the battery issue
Dec 22 20:09:44 * koen googles metawatch
Dec 22 20:12:44 <gte619n> Hey guys, I'm a software developer looking to get into embedded devices and such. 
Dec 22 20:13:13 <gte619n> I was wondering where would be the best place to go to ask some really rudimentry questions about the BeagleBoard and BeagleBone in particular?
Dec 22 20:13:47 <aholler> git ccheckout git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git
Dec 22 20:14:22 <aholler> enough stuff for the next weeks ;)
Dec 22 20:14:22 <jay6981> gte619n:  you'd think this would be the place… but good luck
Dec 22 20:15:01 <gte619n> Jay: How do you mean?
Dec 22 20:15:15 <jay6981> you may or may not get answers
Dec 22 20:15:26 <aholler> koen: you have to google that?
Dec 22 20:15:39 <gte619n> oh, okay... well I guess I'll just ask and see if anything comes up.
Dec 22 20:16:07 <gte619n> So, my goal would be to connect the Beagle to a computer over USB. I understand that this isn't exactly a trivial task.
Dec 22 20:16:25 <gte619n> Really, I'd just like to send messages back and forth from a Java app on my laptop to a Java app running on the BeagleBoard
Dec 22 20:16:30 <jay6981> those in the know are often lacking in the social graces department
Dec 22 20:16:34 <gte619n> Is this even the right approach?
Dec 22 20:16:49 <gte619n> HA! Well... I'm lacking in that department sometimes as well.
Dec 22 20:16:56 <jay6981> perfect :)
Dec 22 20:17:01 <aholler> how to you want to send messages?
Dec 22 20:17:14 <gte619n> The how is really what I'm wondering.
Dec 22 20:17:28 <jay6981> usb->ethernet?
Dec 22 20:17:32 <gte619n> The environment will not have any ethernet or wifi available, so I'm looking for a way to do it over the wire.
Dec 22 20:17:57 <woglinde_> gte619n you have to wait until we finish the java recipes for oe-core and koen packaged rtxt
Dec 22 20:18:12 <woglinde_> so now icedtea pre1.11 runtime tests
Dec 22 20:18:28 <gte619n> Speed really isn't a concern, as the messages are going to be very small. I was thinking even a COM port style simulation using USB?
Dec 22 20:18:41 <xxiao> looks like metawatch you can read emails?
Dec 22 20:18:56 <jay6981> gte619n:  sounds like a simple approach that would work
Dec 22 20:19:40 <aholler> or network through usb, or plain usb
Dec 22 20:19:51 <xxiao> so it gets updates via bluetooth on the phone?
Dec 22 20:20:05 <gte619n> I figured that might be the best. How would I go about doing that? Is it a standard Java thing? What I'd really like to do is start working between my workstation/laptop, then concentrate on getting it running on Beagle
Dec 22 20:20:34 <gte619n> xxiao, I had a Metawatch. Connects over bluetooth. The android implementation was pretty bad. Really finiky connectivity.
Dec 22 20:21:11 <aholler> gte619n: linux is linux, from the app side there is no difference between a linux on a beagel or one on your pc
Dec 22 20:21:23 <aholler> just forget the word embedded
Dec 22 20:21:36 <xxiao> gte619n: but...when you have a phone, why do you need a watch read emails etc?
Dec 22 20:21:55 <xxiao> the only app scenario i can think of is at meetings, 
Dec 22 20:22:11 <xxiao> then you can play with the watch instead of taking a nap, both quietly
Dec 22 20:22:15 <gte619n> xxiao, It was more useful for phone calls, music, text messages. It's easier to glance down at your watch instead of getting it out of your pocket. Not a powerful use case, but I wish it would've worked better.
Dec 22 20:23:31 <xxiao> but again, at meeting if i keep checking my watch it's impolite, the boss might think i want to end the meeting now
Dec 22 20:23:36 <gte619n> aholler, so where should I start? This is my first foray into device-to-device connectivity, so I'm a little lost.
Dec 22 20:23:43 <xxiao> gte619n: looks like a chronos to me, is it msp430?
Dec 22 20:24:28 <aholler> with two pc it's a bit difficult to play with usb because they usually don't have a client-port
Dec 22 20:24:39 <gte619n> xxiao, I had a MSP-WDS430BT2000D.
Dec 22 20:24:58 <gte619n> aholler, so the client port is available on the BeagleBoard?
Dec 22 20:25:15 <aholler> gte619n: start with checking what gadgets the kernel offers
Dec 22 20:25:24 <aholler> (usb-gadgets)
Dec 22 20:25:51 <woglinde> aholler multi
Dec 22 20:25:52 <aholler> than you can decide what way you want to use. or just stick to the serial
Dec 22 20:26:07 <_av500_> ds2: 2dy battery life, BT constantly desyncs and windw tool needed to talk to
Dec 22 20:27:05 <aholler> a metawatch has only two days battery life?
Dec 22 20:27:07 <xxiao> gte619n: so, metawatch is the same as the MSP-WDS430BT2000D? with some software work?
Dec 22 20:27:43 <aholler> hmm, just read some bt-keyboards with a battery life of two years will appear sometimes next year
Dec 22 20:27:53 * xxiao uses chronos with 433Mhz, not BT
Dec 22 20:28:49 <aholler> hmm, but keyboards have to send only. thats a whole different than being ready to receive
Dec 22 20:28:58 <gte619n> xxiao, the whole "Metawatch" thing is a spinoff project. Fossil started making the watches in association with TI. then, somehow the whole thing went sideways and Metawatch is no longer affilliated.
Dec 22 20:29:06 <gte619n> I believe they call the system Metawatch
Dec 22 20:29:17 <gte619n> being the watch itself and teh bluetooth stack to talk to it in Android
Dec 22 20:29:29 <xxiao> aholler: is it using the so-called BLE
Dec 22 20:30:09 <xxiao> even BLE is used, the duty cycle still rules the battery
Dec 22 20:30:23 <gte619n> aholler, the BeagleBoard page says that the board has "FTDI USB-to-serial interface" with windows, linux and mac drivers
Dec 22 20:31:16 <gte619n> Also, it has this: "Ethernet over USB ... the USB peripheral will enumerate to the host as an Ethernet device, using the "usbnet" driver with Linux hosts or Microsoft's RNDIS driver with Windows hosts"
Dec 22 20:31:23 <aholler> get two usb2serial 3 wires and play with your pc and the laptop
Dec 22 20:31:36 <gte619n> so, I mean... that's the way to go, right? Just address it like an IP device?
Dec 22 20:32:00 <woglinde> gte619n you can do what you need
Dec 22 20:32:12 <woglinde> gte619n you could even use the massdriver
Dec 22 20:32:24 <aholler> or libusb
Dec 22 20:32:25 <woglinde> and doing file operations
Dec 22 20:34:34 <gte619n> Guys, could you tell me a little more about Ethernet over USB? that Gadget?
Dec 22 20:35:02 <xxiao> google g_ether
Dec 22 20:35:28 <woglinde> or g_cdc driver
Dec 22 20:35:36 <woglinde> net and serial at the same time
Dec 22 20:36:12 <xxiao> yes the chronos dongle is a g_cdc device
Dec 22 20:36:20 <woglinde> hm or was your host windows?
Dec 22 20:36:28 <woglinde> than I fear cdc will not work
Dec 22 20:36:45 <gte619n> xxiao, so I go to search 'g_ether' and the first thing google pops up is "g_et her back"!!
Dec 22 20:37:07 <aholler> maybe start with learning how to use google ;)
Dec 22 20:38:10 <aholler> e.g. add linux to the entryfield
Dec 22 20:38:48 <xxiao> there are quite a few repo for mlo
Dec 22 20:39:05 <xxiao> denx's u-boot seems now builds for mlo/u-boot.bin at once
Dec 22 20:39:36 <xxiao> need try that and see if that boots
Dec 22 20:39:56 <gte619n> aholler, I found everything, just thought it was a funny suggestion. Looks like this Ethernet over USB is probably the easiest, most compatible solution.
Dec 22 20:40:07 <woglinde> yes
Dec 22 20:40:19 <woglinde> now all openjdk jvm works angain
Dec 22 20:48:09 <gte619n> Hey guys, so looking at this g_ether thing, how does it do DNS resolution? Does it just crawl up through the host as if it was a gateway?
Dec 22 20:48:47 <gte619n> Also, can it be accessed by other devices on the local network, or only through the host machine?
Dec 22 20:56:13 <aholler> you will have one interface on each side, the rest is networking as everywhere.
Dec 22 20:57:00 <gte619n> ah, great.
Dec 22 20:57:05 <mru> if you want it to appear on a local network, the simplest option is probably bridging the interfaces
Dec 22 20:57:34 <mru> otherwise you can configure the pc it's connected to for routing to and from the beagle/pc "network"
Dec 22 20:57:42 <mru> and set the pc as default gateway on the beagle
Dec 22 20:58:00 <gte619n> Ok one last question. Let's say I hook the BeagleBone up to a 3G modem in the USB. Then use the USB-Ethernet driver to connect to the PC
Dec 22 20:58:22 <gte619n> is there a way to automatically route all the traffic to the 3G Modem EXCEPT a specific port...
Dec 22 20:58:34 <gte619n> Just do it using the standard linux routing tables?
Dec 22 20:58:39 <mru> with iptables almost anything is possible
Dec 22 20:58:54 <gte619n> ok. perfect.
Dec 22 20:58:59 <mru> ip routing tables works on ip addresses only, not port level
Dec 22 20:59:16 <mru> for that you need to use iptables with a port match and suitable target
Dec 22 20:59:39 <gte619n> ok
Dec 22 21:00:08 <gte619n> is iptables already in the distro or will that be another module to install?
Dec 22 21:00:34 <koen> jkridner_: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/21/2650150/5-minutes-on-the-verge-robert-scoble
Dec 22 21:00:44 <koen> "One thing that's just getting hot is node.js"
Dec 22 21:01:11 <mdp> hot…like a meltdown?
Dec 22 21:01:13 <woglinde> hm I though node.js is hot since half a year
Dec 22 21:01:32 <gte619n> Scoble is the DEFINITION of "just enough knowledge to be dangerous"
Dec 22 21:08:34 <gte619n> Thanks for all your help guys! You've definitely pointed me in the right direction! Have a happy holiday!
Dec 22 21:09:09 <djlewis> you must have caught them in a generous mood ;)
Dec 22 21:09:13 <mru> node.js should be getting "old" soon
Dec 22 21:10:20 <koen> mould.js
Dec 22 21:10:56 <mranostay> heh
Dec 22 21:11:08 <woglinde> hm found a llvm bug
Dec 22 21:11:24 <_av500_>   not.js
Dec 22 21:11:25 <mru> woglinde: I find one every time I run it
Dec 22 21:11:34 <mru> I even fixed one the other day
Dec 22 21:11:59 <woglinde> unsupported perand type for movw
Dec 22 21:12:03 <woglinde> intressting
Dec 22 21:12:32 <mru> in what form are you using llvm?
Dec 22 21:13:16 <woglinde> libjvm.so
Dec 22 21:13:18 <dak58> Is there anyone willing to help a beagleboard/linux noob?
Dec 22 21:13:38 <koen> less than 2 hours left till friday
Dec 22 21:13:47 <mru> almost 3 here
Dec 22 21:13:51 <woglinde> koen and then?
Dec 22 21:14:30 <jkridner_> :) node.js
Dec 22 21:14:30 <mru> and I'm leaving for the airport early in the morning
Dec 22 21:14:43 <mru> jkridner_: btw, have you read the news about godaddy?
Dec 22 21:15:19 <dak58> I've got a beagleboard xm and a leopord imaging camera (LI-5M03). I just need to take a picture with the camera and do some really simple DSP type stuff in OpenCV. I can't get the camera drivers to work properly!
Dec 22 21:17:39 <dak58> The aptina site suggests that a build a kernel, but their instructions are vague. I found a site that had a prebuilt uImage, do I just need to replace the uImage with the old one and then I am done?
Dec 22 21:18:18 <jkridner_> mru: nope.
Dec 22 21:18:35 <mranostay> dak58: in theory
Dec 22 21:18:39 <dak58> heh
Dec 22 21:19:24 <jkridner_> mru: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/nmnie/godaddy_supports_sopa_im_transferring_51_domains/ ?
Dec 22 21:19:51 <koen> I thought sopa was you had before the main course in mexico
Dec 22 21:19:59 <koen> +what somewhere
Dec 22 21:20:03 <dak58> I'm currently trying to get the latest version of Angstrom running by using the cloud9 .img file here:http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beagleboard/index.html
Dec 22 21:20:21 <mru> "sopa" is the rarely used singular form of the swedish word for "garbage"
Dec 22 21:20:41 <dak58> lol
Dec 22 21:21:59 <dak58> mranostay: can you set me in the right direction to getting this working?
Dec 22 21:23:35 <koen> jkridner_: https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9/pull/726
Dec 22 21:23:39 <woglinde> hm I only heard about problems with the leopardcam
Dec 22 21:23:40 <woglinde> here
Dec 22 21:24:11 <jkridner_> koen: hurray!
Dec 22 21:24:40 <jkridner_> the "still not close" comment isn't reassuring.
Dec 22 21:26:20 <koen> jkridner_: yeah, but it's a start
Dec 22 21:26:42 <koen> the party line used to be "use 0.4.x or get lost"
Dec 22 21:27:20 <mranostay> koen: so is the weatherstation you have just in the PCB design form atm?
Dec 22 21:27:51 <koen> mranostay: yes
Dec 22 21:27:52 <dak58> This site: http://blog.galemin.com/2011/04/li-5m03-camera-on-beagleboard-xm/ says that they get everything working, but in the comments it stops with 'waiting for aptina to make the drivers'
Dec 22 21:28:10 <dak58> I don't really care if it works well. I don't need to capture video, just a picture.
Dec 22 21:28:14 <koen> mranostay: I'm working with circuitco to get it produced and on their website
Dec 22 21:28:40 <mranostay> koen: what the pricing on small scale?
Dec 22 21:28:43 <mranostay> *is
Dec 22 21:29:10 <koen> mranostay: the sparkfun version with the same sensors but with a microcontroller added sells for $125
Dec 22 21:29:24 <koen> that $*($*#(#( humidity sensors is ±$30 a piece
Dec 22 21:29:27 * mranostay plans to actually play with Eagle this weekend. hopefully the Mac version isn't a buggy as i remember
Dec 22 21:29:40 <koen> I'm using the mac version
Dec 22 21:29:47 <mranostay> koen: no crashes?
Dec 22 21:29:52 <koen> apart from eagle being stupid it hasn't crashed yet
Dec 22 21:30:13 <mru> koen: -$30? they pay you to take one?
Dec 22 21:30:20 <mranostay> heh
Dec 22 21:30:27 <koen> I wish
Dec 22 21:30:44 * koen should stop using that dutchism
Dec 22 21:30:57 <mru> I though a piece of string was a universal weather sensor
Dec 22 21:31:00 <mru> +t
Dec 22 21:31:01 <dak58> I've been using the mac version for a long time now. There are only a few bugs. AFIK, there is no way to 'snap' a component to the grid in OSX
Dec 22 21:31:21 <mranostay> koen: why are the humidity sensors so expensive?
Dec 22 21:31:43 <mranostay> does that just test the conductivity of the air?
Dec 22 21:31:44 <koen> mranostay: the calibrated temperature compensated i2c ones are $30
Dec 22 21:31:56 <koen> the calibrated temperature compensated serial ones are $25
Dec 22 21:32:16 <koen> the non calibrated non compensated analog readout ones are $8
Dec 22 21:32:54 <koen> (in single quantity)
Dec 22 21:33:07 <mranostay> heh the $8 seems worthless :)
Dec 22 21:33:10 <mranostay> *one
Dec 22 21:33:22 <koen> yeah
Dec 22 21:33:32 <koen> and the $25 is using a mock i2c protocol
Dec 22 21:33:44 <mranostay> heh
Dec 22 21:33:44 <mru> mranostay: someone apparently thinks it's worth precisely $8
Dec 22 21:33:46 <dak58> mranostay: really? for $20 less all you need is a little program on your uC and use on one Analog pin!
Dec 22 21:34:27 <koen> for $20 you can buy the arduino itself :)
Dec 22 21:34:53 <dak58> exactly!
Dec 22 21:36:11 <dak58> Is there a command for angstrom that brings up the gui if it only boots into command line, or should I assume that if it boots into the command line that there is no gui installed?
Dec 22 21:43:28 <xxiao> got this high end compaq pc, set its esata from 1.5g to 3.0g, bios hangs
Dec 22 21:43:53 <xxiao> only stupid company buys compaq these days, sigh
Dec 22 21:44:20 <woglinde> xxiao flash the bios
Dec 22 21:44:36 <woglinde> dak58 look at your packages
Dec 22 21:44:42 <woglinde> if there are no gui packages
Dec 22 21:44:46 <woglinde> no gui will be loaded
Dec 22 21:47:54 <xxiao> trying to see how fast my HDD runs, sdparm does not have those options as hdparm has
Dec 22 21:48:13 <xxiao> hdparm -t /dev/sda only returns 130MB/s for a supposedly 1.5Gbps SATA
Dec 22 21:48:35 <xxiao> and i could not set the DMA flag to it at all
Dec 22 21:48:49 <xxiao> it's 115MB/s for SATA-II
Dec 22 21:48:52 <mranostay> koen: have you used the ADC's on the Bone for anything yet? I saw your G+ post
Dec 22 21:49:00 <dak58> woglinde: thanks
Dec 22 21:50:02 <woglinde> xxiao flash bios
Dec 22 21:55:45 <mru> I updated my desktop bios hoping it might solve some ram issues (the release notes suggested it migh), only to have it hang when it saw my usb keyboard
Dec 22 21:58:19 <mranostay> *bang*
Dec 22 22:00:08 <djlewis> yeah, I was fighting with a home pc that I control a transceiver through usb.
Dec 22 22:00:24 <djlewis> Everytime a windows sound would play, it would transmit to the worls :(
Dec 22 22:00:29 <djlewis> world
Dec 22 22:02:28 <koen> mranostay: not yet, I need to figure out how AIN8 is hooked up, that is supposed to be able to do current sensing for the PMIC
Dec 22 22:03:02 <koen> mranostay: but I mostly lack 1.8V analog stuff to hookup
Dec 22 22:03:20 <koen> (too lazy to twist to resistors together for a voltage divider)
Dec 22 22:04:08 <dak58> can I install a gui to a current sd card witho no gui?
Dec 22 22:04:36 <koen> generic answer: using the package manager
Dec 22 22:04:54 <koen> mranostay: I'm toying with the idea of adding 2 RJ11 ports to the design for http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8942
Dec 22 22:05:10 <koen> mranostay: and/or opamps so you can use 5V analog sensors
Dec 22 22:05:30 <koen> mranostay: but first I want a quote from CCO for the current simple design
Dec 22 22:06:18 <dak58> koen: would you happen to know the command line to install like the basic x11 or someplace with a list of packages available?
Dec 22 22:07:45 <dak58> koen: nvm.. that was a dumb question
Dec 22 22:09:15 <mranostay> heh good old RJ11
Dec 22 22:33:44 * djlewis needs to redesign his auto rain gauge and get it back on line
Dec 22 22:35:43 <woglinde> koen I pushed my latest java stuff
Dec 22 22:35:50 <woglinde> happy testing
Dec 22 22:36:43 <woglinde> you need to set openjdk6 version to the hg version again
Dec 22 22:36:48 <woglinde> good nite
Dec 22 22:36:59 <mranostay> anyone use the PMIC on the Bone to use a battery for power?
Dec 22 22:37:15 * mranostay notes the docs make it seem possible to do 
Dec 22 22:55:31 <_av500_> home
Dec 22 22:56:36 * _av500_ wonders how oracle can claim that android is hurting java, they should hang out in #beagle....
Dec 22 22:57:26 <aholler> java is new cobol ;)
Dec 22 22:58:06 <_av500_> just less readable....
Dec 22 23:00:00 <ds2> they all suck
Dec 22 23:05:11 <aholler> at least cobol isn't patent infested
Dec 22 23:05:37 <ds2> wonder if they are going to go after the free java implementations next
Dec 22 23:06:37 <aholler> friday
Dec 22 23:09:11 <_av500_> ds2: not if they implement proper java
Dec 22 23:10:40 <_av500_> where every this has its that
Dec 22 23:10:50 * xxiao wants to learn java
Dec 22 23:11:13 <_av500_> its like c without the fun
Dec 22 23:11:28 <_av500_> and classes instead
Dec 22 23:11:36 <xxiao> if you mean fun by breaking things
Dec 22 23:12:16 <_av500_> in java you can have fun wrapping things
Dec 22 23:14:28 <xxiao> int array[10]; #define SIZEARRAY (sizeof(array/sizeof(array[0])); int d=-1; if(d <= SIZEARRAY) printf("something"; else printf("nothing");
Dec 22 23:14:32 <xxiao> what's on screen after it
Dec 22 23:14:49 <xxiao> ignore my typos
Dec 22 23:14:50 <aholler> nothing
Dec 22 23:15:05 <xxiao> why is that
Dec 22 23:15:12 <aholler> \n's are missing
Dec 22 23:15:13 <_av500_> FILE_NOT_FOUND
Dec 22 23:15:44 <xxiao> irc should support code pasting better
Dec 22 23:15:55 <_av500_> pastebin would go broke
Dec 22 23:16:53 <_av500_> are you sure you want to divide array by something?
Dec 22 23:18:48 <xxiao> http://pastebin.com/vUruzU7m
Dec 22 23:19:01 <xxiao> give me the answer and reason in 30 seconds
Dec 22 23:21:03 <xxiao> hmm time for home
Dec 22 23:21:08 <xxiao> 30 seconds passed
Dec 22 23:28:05 <tlab> once I get over usb setup on a beaglebone, how do I get the beaglebone to access the internet?
Dec 22 23:29:00 <ds2> anyone gotten audio going on the bone yet?
Dec 22 23:52:26 * djlewis thinks "The Bone" should play a harmonica
Dec 22 23:53:18 <rmoriz> why is systemd so unfriendly :(
Dec 22 23:53:29 <mru> why is lennart so unfriendly?
Dec 22 23:53:46 <djlewis> why did that girl slap my face ?
Dec 22 23:53:46 <rmoriz> why do people use stuff from lennart?
Dec 22 23:53:57 <mru> why do people use stuff from microsoft?
Dec 22 23:54:22 <rmoriz> why do many people not use stuff from microsoft? why do many people not use stuff from lennart?
Dec 22 23:54:37 <rmoriz> why the heck does angstrom use systemd?
Dec 22 23:55:23 <aholler> it's all in the cloud
Dec 22 23:55:59 <rmoriz> it's not web-scale!
Dec 22 23:56:00 <ds2> djlewis: in your case, it is probally because you are spending too much time on the bone ;)
Dec 22 23:56:00 <_av500_> es ist alles nur ge-cloud
Dec 22 23:56:16 <_av500_> the trombone?
Dec 22 23:56:48 <rmoriz> so does anyone got eth0 up by default with one of the angstrom-beaglebone images?
Dec 22 23:56:53 <rmoriz> eh has
Dec 23 00:03:25 <aholler> xxiao: if you would use puts, it would be a nice done question. ;)
Dec 23 00:12:23 <aholler> after having compiled it myself to see what you mean, it took me a while to understand it.
Dec 23 00:29:30 <aholler> so I killed the fun by accident ;)
Dec 23 00:43:14 <rmoriz> someone runs ubuntu on a beaglebone?
Dec 23 00:43:35 <rcn-ee> yeah. ;)
Dec 23 00:45:29 <rmoriz> ah nice. i've a question for you ;)
Dec 23 00:45:35 <rmoriz> i'm running your latest demo image
Dec 23 00:45:55 <rmoriz> and i received a edimax wifi adapter today that requires a custom module to build
Dec 23 00:46:21 <rcn-ee> realtek by chance?
Dec 23 00:46:43 <rmoriz> yes
Dec 23 00:46:45 <rmoriz> make: *** /lib/modules/3.1.0-psp2/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
Dec 23 00:47:05 <rmoriz> because:  /lib/modules/3.1.0-psp2/build -> /build/buildd/linux-3.1    ;)
Dec 23 00:47:58 <rcn-ee> easiest thing to do is clone a 3.1 tree at /build/buildd/linux-3.1 apply my patch and copy the defconfig in...
Dec 23 00:47:59 <rmoriz> looks like i need to compile a kernel myself to get the sources?
Dec 23 00:48:28 <rmoriz> from http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=summary ?
Dec 23 00:48:45 <rcn-ee> rmoriz, what's your lsusb with that adapter?
Dec 23 00:49:12 <rmoriz> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
Dec 23 00:49:41 <rmoriz> getting strange modprobe timeout with the installed driver :/
Dec 23 00:49:42 <rcn-ee> rmoriz, same exact one i just patched.. (they are nice small modules)
Dec 23 00:49:54 <rmoriz> yes they are.
Dec 23 00:49:55 <rcn-ee> rmoriz, https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/commit/1152689f691c1cd76d9bd54825d1145b77dd746b
Dec 23 00:50:41 <rmoriz> do you already have an updated kernel-image?
Dec 23 00:50:45 <rcn-ee> i backported the rtlwifi driver from v3.2-rc6 to get mine to work.. new images (psp3) should be out in a few hours, otherwise i'm planing to push new demo images tomorrrow..
Dec 23 00:51:22 <rmoriz> awesome :)
Dec 23 00:52:12 <rmoriz> wonder how good the reception is with those small adapters
Dec 23 00:52:25 <rcn-ee> rmoriz,  i do have a test image if you'd like to verify it works.. (you'd have to downlaod it first and copy to the sd card on the bone.. ) http://rcn-ee.net/deb/cross/v3.1.0-psp3/linux-image-3.1.0-psp3_1.0cross_armel.deb
Dec 23 00:53:43 <ds2> thought the RTL driver is in staging already?
Dec 23 00:53:47 <ds2> did that get removed?
Dec 23 00:54:11 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: downloading...
Dec 23 00:54:51 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: hm very low speed. 15kb/s or sth
Dec 23 00:56:56 <rcn-ee> it's dreamhost, it varires during the day...
Dec 23 00:57:30 <rmoriz> 5kb/s
Dec 23 00:57:35 <rmoriz> stalled… really bad hm
Dec 23 00:57:50 <rmoriz> tried it from 2 servers (US + Germany + my DSL at home)
Dec 23 00:59:05 <rmoriz> looks like dreamhost has issues/DoS https://gist.github.com/4b813d6027156a5ed4fc
Dec 23 00:59:08 <rcn-ee> yeah, it's getting hammered by something, only 80k here, usually it's 4/500..
Dec 23 01:07:19 <rmoriz> what does this psp mean btw?
Dec 23 01:08:27 <ds2> Platform Support Package
Dec 23 01:08:50 <rmoriz> ah. not playstation portable ;)
Dec 23 01:08:56 <ds2> alas, no.
Dec 23 01:09:16 <rmoriz> installed. rebooting
Dec 23 01:10:00 <rcn-ee> it's based of ti's "psp" tree, where i stole the patches from.. ;)
Dec 23 01:10:11 <rmoriz> a looks like i need to flask-kernel..
Dec 23 01:10:41 <rmoriz> "flash-kernel 3.1.0-psp3" => "Unsupported platform." :/
Dec 23 01:11:20 <rcn-ee> rmoriz, yeah... you need to:
Dec 23 01:11:29 <rcn-ee> sudo mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n 3.1-psp2 -d /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.0-psp2 /boot/uboot/uImage
Dec 23 01:11:39 <rcn-ee> (psp2 -> psp3 of course)
Dec 23 01:12:00 <rcn-ee> and: sudo mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -C none -a 0 -e 0 -n initramfs -d /boot/initrd.img-3.1.0-psp3 /boot/uboot/uInitrd
Dec 23 01:12:43 <rcn-ee> (it'll be awhile for upstream 'ubuntu' will understand what the beaglebone is..)
Dec 23 01:12:45 <rmoriz> ok. rebootet. now getting some ". FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/3.1.0-psp3/modules.dep: No such file or directory" erros on boot, but finishes
Dec 23 01:13:03 <rcn-ee> sudo depmod should take care of that..
Dec 23 01:14:51 <rmoriz> hm
Dec 23 01:15:01 <rcn-ee> better/worse?
Dec 23 01:15:18 <rmoriz> same actually. getting modprobe timeouts and can't find the device :/
Dec 23 01:16:31 <rmoriz> removed stick, now getting flodded with "rtlwifi" messages
Dec 23 01:19:12 <rcn-ee> that's disappointing as that's as bleeding edge as that driver gets..
Dec 23 01:22:10 <rmoriz> hm still complaining about missing /lib/modules/3.1.0-psp3/modules.dep when rebooting
Dec 23 01:22:24 <rmoriz> do i need to recreate an initrd?
Dec 23 01:22:55 <rcn-ee> do be safe i would.. i have a script under /boot/uboot/tools/update_boot(something..)...
Dec 23 01:23:30 <rmoriz> ah. i missed something. sorry :(
Dec 23 01:23:36 <rcn-ee> /bin/bash /boot/uboot/tools/update_boot_files.sh
Dec 23 01:24:05 <rmoriz> i think i forgot the initrd because i was too quick doing the first one and not reading your complete response ;)
Dec 23 01:24:25 <rcn-ee> normally it'd would work anyways...
Dec 23 01:25:36 <rmoriz> ok the modules.dep errors are fixed
Dec 23 01:27:38 <rmoriz> do you know what's the reason for "init: ureadahead main process (164) terminated with status 5" is? i got this with your psp2, too
Dec 23 01:28:07 <rcn-ee> ubuntu's looking for some secret sauce at boot in the kernel.. ;)
Dec 23 01:29:58 <rcn-ee> btw, if your annoyed with the 2min delay on startup, i just worked around that today.. (if you don't have a network cable connected to the bone)..
Dec 23 01:31:57 <rmoriz> https://gist.github.com/d15aa4f4f52222611781
Dec 23 01:32:31 <rmoriz> i had to wait because i've already auto-ed the wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces
Dec 23 01:32:47 <rmoriz> but i was already able to connect via ssh
Dec 23 01:32:52 <rmoriz> (over eth0)
Dec 23 01:33:11 <rcn-ee> that's better then it use to be.. still not good...
Dec 23 01:35:05 <rmoriz> with the old kernel i saw some info on dmesg
Dec 23 01:35:12 <rmoriz> that's gone now. like chipset + serial
Dec 23 01:35:35 <rmoriz> disregard
Dec 23 01:36:15 <rmoriz> https://gist.github.com/ce590629949446e8b6ca
Dec 23 01:38:57 * Russ is attempting to repurpose his beagleboard as a svideo mythfrontend
Dec 23 01:41:27 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: do you have such a wifi stick yourself?
Dec 23 01:41:33 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: does it work for you?
Dec 23 01:43:14 <tlab> my bone boots in like 5 secs, no delays at startup.. no network cable connected either
Dec 23 01:43:30 <rmoriz> tlab: angstrom or ubuntu?
Dec 23 01:43:36 <tlab> angstrom
Dec 23 01:43:39 <rmoriz> ;)
Dec 23 01:44:06 <rmoriz> i bet your eth0 won't get "upped" even if a  cable is present ;)
Dec 23 01:44:57 <tlab> what?
Dec 23 01:45:07 <tlab> I had it on the network just fine yesterday
Dec 23 01:46:02 <tlab> my bone came with 2 4G cards, did yours?
Dec 23 01:46:04 <rmoriz> interesting. i never got my interfaces activated on boot on angstrom
Dec 23 01:46:05 <rcn-ee> rmoriz, very limited testing: Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0846:9041 NetGear, Inc. WNA1000M 802.11bgn [Realtek RTL8188CUS] (only had enough time to make sure the modules loaded.. didnt' have any free time to test the wifi)
Dec 23 01:46:08 <rmoriz> tlab: yes
Dec 23 01:46:42 <rmoriz> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
Dec 23 01:46:57 <rmoriz> hm
Dec 23 01:47:13 <tlab> I'm just using the usb cable now, just trying to get the bone to network thru the usb
Dec 23 01:47:22 <tlab> I can ping it from my host pc
Dec 23 01:47:53 <tlab> but it can't get on the net, I think I need to bridge a connection on my host pc
Dec 23 01:48:36 <rmoriz> which os on the pc?
Dec 23 01:49:03 <tlab> ubuntu
Dec 23 01:49:18 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i'
Dec 23 01:49:24 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i'm seeing this https://gist.github.com/49e5db9ac10e36111151
Dec 23 01:51:22 <rmoriz> tlab: you read this already? http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/README.htm#g_ether
Dec 23 01:52:23 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: just found that via google: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg80370.html
Dec 23 01:53:14 <tlab> rmoriz, yea I've read that, i can ping the board, and the board can ping the host, but can't get to the internet
Dec 23 01:54:11 <rmoriz> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding          ?
Dec 23 01:54:43 <tlab> on host or bone?
Dec 23 01:54:45 <rmoriz> host
Dec 23 01:55:08 <rmoriz> i use osx as host (and a ubuntu vm to flash sd)
Dec 23 01:55:38 <rmoriz> i've a dhcpd running on osx (called "internet sharing" ;) and i changed the usb0 device on the bone to act as a dhcp client
Dec 23 01:56:18 <rmoriz> i probably want to ping 8.8.8.8 from the bone b/c maybe dns lookup is broken
Dec 23 01:56:21 <rmoriz> s/i/you/
Dec 23 01:56:25 <tlab> permission denied, even with sudo
Dec 23 01:57:03 <rmoriz> weird.
Dec 23 01:57:10 <tlab> sudo su
Dec 23 01:57:14 <tlab> that worked
Dec 23 01:57:42 <rmoriz> can you ping 8.8.8.8 from the bone?
Dec 23 01:58:50 <tlab> no
Dec 23 01:59:22 <rmoriz> hm you probably need some iptables/NAT settings on your host
Dec 23 01:59:41 <tlab> I can ping 192.168.7.2 and 192.168.7.1
Dec 23 01:59:56 <tlab> not sure where 8.8.8.8 comes in at
Dec 23 02:00:31 <rmoriz> 8.8.8.8 is google's public dns recurser
Dec 23 02:00:41 <rmoriz> ip is easy to remember, that's why ...
Dec 23 02:01:02 <tlab> oh
Dec 23 02:01:11 <tlab> well ya I can't access the internet from the bone
Dec 23 02:01:14 <rmoriz> sudo iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0  <= on host?
Dec 23 02:01:32 <rmoriz> if eth0 is your hosts' uplink
Dec 23 02:02:06 <rmoriz> but it seems i forgot how to configure NAT on linux after some years :-(
Dec 23 02:03:03 <rmoriz> ah there's a tutorial http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1582862.html
Dec 23 02:04:22 <rmoriz> hm isn't  iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE enough?
Dec 23 02:05:01 <rmoriz> you probably want to google how to configure NAT on ubuntu. it's nothing beaglebone specific
Dec 23 02:05:37 <tlab> so NAT will route from the eth1 to my wlan0 ?
Dec 23 02:06:29 <rmoriz> you said usb?
Dec 23 02:06:47 <rmoriz> your host is connected to the internet via …? wlan? usb?
Dec 23 02:06:51 <rmoriz> ethernet? ;)
Dec 23 02:07:12 <tlab> host is using wlan0
Dec 23 02:07:27 <tlab> eth1 is host to bone
Dec 23 02:07:31 <rmoriz> ok than you need to do a NAT between wlan0 and usb0 (or what the usb networking device on the host is called)
Dec 23 02:08:03 <rmoriz> so you have ethernet from bone to host, aswell?
Dec 23 02:08:13 <tlab> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr d4:94:a1:2b:93:99  
Dec 23 02:08:15 <tlab>           inet addr:192.168.7.1  Bcast:192.168.7.3  Mask:255.255.255.252
Dec 23 02:08:30 <tlab> no ethernet from bone to host
Dec 23 02:08:59 <tlab> when you eject the sd card on the host from the bone, a network over usb is created
Dec 23 02:09:08 <rmoriz> not sure how the host side interface is called. maybe it's eth1 ok
Dec 23 02:09:19 <rmoriz> yes. that's eth1?
Dec 23 02:09:24 <tlab> yup
Dec 23 02:09:27 <rmoriz> ok :)
Dec 23 02:09:47 <tlab> on the bone it says inet addr: 192.168.7.2 Bcast:192.168.7.3
Dec 23 02:10:04 <rmoriz> so you want to keep that  192.168.7.1/ 192.168.7.2 and NAT this network to your wlan0 network
Dec 23 02:10:30 <rmoriz> have you tried: sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE
Dec 23 02:10:50 <tlab> not yet
Dec 23 02:11:22 <rmoriz> do you have other iptables rules? firewall etc?
Dec 23 02:12:10 <rmoriz> iirc the default is empty/none
Dec 23 02:12:42 <tlab> this is a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04 LTS
Dec 23 02:13:24 * mranostay curses his neighbors' wifi
Dec 23 02:18:37 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: have you already included that patches?
Dec 23 02:20:00 <rcn-ee> yeah sorry, was on the phone..  just booting the psp3 with my wpa settings at the moment.. ;)
Dec 23 02:20:21 <rmoriz> :)
Dec 23 02:21:35 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i'm not sure about the endian issues…maybe they're related? http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg80370.html
Dec 23 02:25:24 <rcn-ee> weird, i got a ipv6 address, it's showing up on wifi router as a device.. no ipv4.. ;)
Dec 23 02:25:57 <rmoriz> does it show as an device on your beaglebone?
Dec 23 02:26:52 <rmoriz> did you have to download some binary firmware or sth?
Dec 23 02:27:40 <rcn-ee> rmoriz, this is what i'm seeing.. (just the same demo image, with psp3) http://pastebin.com/EetL8t2Q
Dec 23 02:28:21 <rmoriz> which wpa extension did you use? -D wext?
Dec 23 02:28:31 <rmoriz> wpa_supplicant ...
Dec 23 02:29:32 <rcn-ee> i'm useing wpa2 personal.. key_mgmt=WPA-PSK pairwise=CCMP TKIP group=CCMP TKIP in my wpa-conf..
Dec 23 02:30:49 <rmoriz> re
Dec 23 02:31:10 <rmoriz> i just copied the wpa_supplicant.conf from my ubuntu pandaboard
Dec 23 02:34:12 <rcn-ee> just ssh'ed over wifi, it's very slow..
Dec 23 02:35:06 <rmoriz> hm now it doesn't even load the modules
Dec 23 02:37:04 <rmoriz> manual modprobe loads it
Dec 23 02:37:40 <rcn-ee> and on the next reboot, no longer there.. ;)
Dec 23 02:37:42 <rmoriz> but no device available
Dec 23 02:39:26 <rmoriz> no wireless extensions. ...
Dec 23 02:39:27 <rcn-ee> and on the next reboot... it exist's.. and i get a ip.. ;)  talk about crap drivers.. ;)
Dec 23 02:40:05 <rmoriz> what do you have in your /etc/modules ?
Dec 23 02:40:17 <rmoriz> just rtl8192cu ?
Dec 23 02:40:50 <rcn-ee> i have: http://pastebin.com/peTMqWdD
Dec 23 02:41:56 <rmoriz> so you don't manually require them in /etc/modules ?
Dec 23 02:42:39 <rcn-ee> nope, didn't touch /etc/modules... just installed the *.deb, reloaded the uImage/uInitrd and rebooted (a few times, seems 50/50 weither it comes up or not)
Dec 23 02:47:59 <rmoriz> hm maybe it's about the vendor/product id?
Dec 23 02:48:11 <rmoriz> that the edimax vendor id is not known yet?
Dec 23 02:48:16 <rcn-ee> i checked your's it's on the list..
Dec 23 02:48:24 <rmoriz> ok
Dec 23 02:49:09 <rcn-ee> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi/rtl8192cu/sw.c;h=c244f2f1b83fb6658569cd545ac37ec3a2772a18;hb=HEAD#l321
Dec 23 02:49:09 <rmoriz> https://gist.github.com/76235e6cdd89606f9804
Dec 23 02:49:43 <rcn-ee> try reseting it again, that's what mine looks like when it doesn't come up on boot..
Dec 23 02:50:06 <rcn-ee> it may just be a crappy driver, we will just have to keep following their patch tree..
Dec 23 02:50:21 <rmoriz> 943e9b714a926e630b8152d7aad91d2e  /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
Dec 23 02:51:12 <rcn-ee> 943e9b714a926e630b8152d7aad91d2e  rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
Dec 23 02:52:12 <rmoriz> i power cycled + resettet serveral times
Dec 23 02:52:15 <rmoriz> disconnect otg usb
Dec 23 02:52:18 <rmoriz> nothing
Dec 23 02:52:28 <rmoriz> i'm running on a DC adapter
Dec 23 02:52:29 <rcn-ee> wonder if there is new version of the fw in the git tree...
Dec 23 02:52:35 <rmoriz> so power can't be an issue
Dec 23 02:52:41 <rcn-ee> i'm over usb..
Dec 23 02:56:46 <rmoriz> hm
Dec 23 02:57:19 <rcn-ee> nope same..
Dec 23 02:59:10 <rmoriz> you're booting with the adapter already plugged in, right?
Dec 23 02:59:38 <rcn-ee> correct
Dec 23 02:59:46 <rmoriz> and only otg usb?
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 23 02:59:56 2011

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 23 02:59:56 2011
Dec 23 03:00:43 <rcn-ee> correct...
Dec 23 03:00:54 <rcn-ee> weird on that reboot, i'm actually pinging google.com thru the wifi..
Dec 23 03:01:24 <rmoriz> it's not your usb over ethernet connection?
Dec 23 03:01:29 <rcn-ee> i had disconnected it, pluged into my x86, associated, removed, then put back in the bone, before i rebooted..
Dec 23 03:01:45 <rmoriz> mine is brand new
Dec 23 03:01:49 <rmoriz> out of the box hm
Dec 23 03:02:02 <rcn-ee> the usb is serial only.. (i don't have the ip sharing setup on this)..
Dec 23 03:02:07 <rmoriz> hm it hangs now after boot...
Dec 23 03:02:34 <rcn-ee> mine too..  i'm thinking it's just the driver, not enough people/bugs reports for the developers of this wifi adapter..
Dec 23 03:04:01 <rmoriz> ok. it's already 4am localtime :(
Dec 23 03:04:22 <rmoriz> i'll nuke the sd and try over
Dec 23 03:04:28 <rmoriz> but not now
Dec 23 03:06:07 <rcn-ee> rmoriz, i'm going to pull these too and give it some more go: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-next.git;a=history;f=drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi;hb=HEAD
Dec 23 03:07:34 <rmoriz> hm i've another zd12 based wifi
Dec 23 03:09:53 <rmoriz> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:11:e2:01:f6:73  … that one works with the identical config
Dec 23 03:09:54 <rmoriz> hrm
Dec 23 03:11:22 <rmoriz> ok. sorry. have to catch some short sleep
Dec 23 03:11:32 <rmoriz> thanks for your help. I'll try again later today
Dec 23 03:11:58 <rmoriz> cu
Dec 23 03:12:36 <rcn-ee> not a problem, laters..
Dec 23 11:04:59 <koen> GStreamer: Entire pipeline is appsrc caps="video/x-h264, width=(int)1280, height=(int)720, framerate=(fraction)1000000000/41708333, codec_data=(buffer)01640029ffe1001767640029acd9805005ba1000003e90000b
Dec 23 11:05:03 <koen> b808f18319a001000668e9787cf23c" name="AppSrc" ! decodebin2 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! appsink caps="video/x-raw-yuv,format=(fourcc)I420" name="AppSink"
Dec 23 11:05:19 <koen> I'm going to guess that this pipeline isn't going to make xbmc faster than ffmpeg + sgx shaders
Dec 23 11:06:24 <av500> ffmpegcolorspace, lol
Dec 23 11:07:29 <av500> h264 720p....
Dec 23 11:09:25 <koen> robclark has some patches to short circuit the decoder output into the sgx
Dec 23 11:09:37 <koen> but that needs some patches to the sgx libs
Dec 23 11:13:14 <av500> koen: that still does not help with "real" h264 720p
Dec 23 11:20:38 <koen> av500: right, I'm after smooth SD playback, that sample was the wrong one
Dec 23 11:21:04 <koen> but still, it illustrates that topfs2 needs some talking to about ffmpegcolourspace usage :)
Dec 23 11:24:04 <av500> koen: well, you can use cogcolorspace now, which has been proven to never be slower than ffmpegcolourspace 
Dec 23 11:24:37 <av500> koen: didnt topfs2 add overlay support?
Dec 23 11:24:51 <av500> so you can go libav->v4l2, done
Dec 23 11:27:40 <koen> av500: I haven't tried to forward port the overlay code from SoC branch to eden
Dec 23 11:27:57 <woglinde> hiho
Dec 23 11:28:40 <av500> koen: eden? the end is near?
Dec 23 11:29:09 <woglinde> apocalypse
Dec 23 11:30:02 <av500> with steel drums?
Dec 23 11:31:42 * LetoThe2nd would prefer meatl drums.
Dec 23 11:31:48 <LetoThe2nd> metal. even
Dec 23 11:31:56 <av500> apocalyptica then
Dec 23 11:32:25 <LetoThe2nd> heh yeah
Dec 23 11:36:48 <amossam> i currently have gcc flags set like this: -CFLAGS=”-O2 -pipe -march=armv7-a -mfpu=vfpv3-d16 -mfloat-abi=hard”  
Dec 23 11:37:09 <amossam> is it better to set -mfpu=neon or leave it like this!
Dec 23 11:37:14 <amossam> *?
Dec 23 11:37:30 <amossam> and any other optimization? thx
Dec 23 11:37:30 <woglinde> amossam if you have a neon device use neon
Dec 23 11:37:48 <amossam> beagleboard-xm is neon?
Dec 23 11:37:52 <woglinde> or use oe/angstroem which sets all the stuff for you
Dec 23 11:37:52 <av500> if you have a non-neon device, cry
Dec 23 11:38:03 <amossam> sorry for noob question...
Dec 23 11:38:23 <av500> np
Dec 23 11:39:21 <amossam> ok, so mfpu should be neon. and i saw on few examples the mcpu flag. is it need/usefull?
Dec 23 11:46:36 <amossam> woglinde: i dont want to use OE because i finnaly installed gentoo and have working croos compile...
Dec 23 11:47:20 <woglinde> ?
Dec 23 11:47:35 <woglinde> oe works too at crosscompiling
Dec 23 11:48:07 <amossam> yes, but i like to understand why is something working... :)
Dec 23 11:48:49 <amossam> and if something sets all the stuff for me, i wont learn...
Dec 23 11:54:22 <koen> woglinde: doing an openjdk build now
Dec 23 11:54:27 <woglinde> ;)
Dec 23 11:54:38 <koen> woglinde: if I manage to get rxtx working as well it can go into the default bone image
Dec 23 11:54:45 <koen> jkridner is fan of java*
Dec 23 11:54:58 <woglinde> koen *g*
Dec 23 11:55:04 <woglinde> next plans are
Dec 23 11:55:12 <woglinde> running jboss 7 for fun
Dec 23 11:55:27 * av500 wonders what rxtx is...
Dec 23 11:55:30 <woglinde> and make recipes for qt-jambi and update swt stuff
Dec 23 11:55:37 <koen> av500: JNI interface to serial
Dec 23 11:55:44 <woglinde> av500 the java serial-communication lib
Dec 23 11:55:53 * av500 checks the date
Dec 23 11:55:59 <koen> woglinde: ERROR: Function 'The URL: '${JAMVM_URI}' is invalid and cannot be interpreted' failed
Dec 23 11:56:04 <av500> and that is *news*?
Dec 23 11:56:36 <av500> you guys must be happy about the little things in life :)
Dec 23 11:56:51 <woglinde> koen uhm
Dec 23 11:57:36 <woglinde> koen did you update to the hg version?
Dec 23 11:57:46 <koen> no
Dec 23 11:57:50 <koen> I just did 'git pull'
Dec 23 11:58:04 <woglinde> PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk-6-jre = "6b24-1.10.4+1.11-devel+hg1+cf80d2049346"
Dec 23 11:58:06 <koen> woglinde: I suggest you rm openjdk-6_6b18-1.8.11.bb
Dec 23 11:58:15 <woglinde> I will
Dec 23 11:58:16 <koen> woglinde: since that's broken now
Dec 23 11:58:22 <woglinde> after you have test it
Dec 23 11:58:44 <koen> no need to test, openjdk-6_6b18-1.8.11.bb is unbuildable
Dec 23 11:58:48 <koen> since it lacks a SRC_URI
Dec 23 11:59:28 <woglinde> hm
Dec 23 12:01:39 <koen> WARNING: jamvm: No generic license file exists for: GPL in any provider
Dec 23 12:01:49 <woglinde> pushed
Dec 23 12:01:56 <woglinde> yes
Dec 23 12:02:07 <woglinde> there are some license stuff need to fix
Dec 23 12:03:32 <koen> | ERROR: classpath: Recipe file does not have license file information (LIC_FILES_CHKSUM)
Dec 23 12:03:55 <koen> I'll see if I can fix a few after I fix all this DSP crap at work
Dec 23 12:04:11 <woglinde> hrms
Dec 23 12:04:21 <woglinde> I run it yesterday from scratch
Dec 23 12:04:28 <woglinde> and had no license errors
Dec 23 12:04:30 <woglinde> only warnings
Dec 23 12:05:14 <av500> koen: can't we talk dsp crap here and you do java crap quietly at work?
Dec 23 12:05:35 <woglinde> lol
Dec 23 12:05:54 <av500> or rename the channel to #oracle
Dec 23 12:09:31 <koen> free ipods?
Dec 23 12:10:47 * koen eats another slice of stollen
Dec 23 12:13:38 * LetoThe2nd wonders how koen got into av500's office kitchen
Dec 23 12:29:09 <av500> LetoThe2nd: damn, a slice is missing indeed
Dec 23 12:29:46 <woglinde> I eat it
Dec 23 12:30:00 <LetoThe2nd> I KNEW IT!!!11!one!!!1!!ELEVEN
Dec 23 12:42:57 <wmat> wow, there's a hate on for Lennart P. this morning. His stuff isn't that bad.
Dec 23 12:43:59 <av500> where?
Dec 23 12:44:30 <woglinde> hm
Dec 23 12:44:48 <woglinde> he has sometimes poor Q.A.
Dec 23 12:44:58 <XorA> that the systemd/pulse guy?
Dec 23 12:45:02 <woglinde> yes
Dec 23 12:45:20 <woglinde> oh wife is calling for lunch
Dec 23 12:45:23 <woglinde> till later
Dec 23 12:45:31 <XorA> ah right yeah, an obsession with using the latest features in binutils/gcc when they are not needed :-D
Dec 23 12:45:48 <XorA> have a nice one
Dec 23 12:46:34 <koen> https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/Gxg1ZNzxku6
Dec 23 12:47:01 <koen> wmat: is that the one you meant?
Dec 23 12:49:03 * XorA laughs
Dec 23 12:49:54 <XorA> pulse is a truly horrendous bit of code which re-implements large chunks of posix API in an insane fashion, but at least it kinda works I guess :-D
Dec 23 12:50:13 <koen> jkridner: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2587572&cid=38468026
Dec 23 12:50:35 <koen> XorA: the funny thing is that lennart handed over maintainership of pulse and avahi to other people
Dec 23 12:51:15 <XorA> from what I remember the avahi code was ok, and readable
Dec 23 12:51:40 <XorA> pulse looks like a c64 program ported to OSX ported to BSD ported to windows ported to linux
Dec 23 12:52:02 <koen> plz send them the codes
Dec 23 12:58:04 <av500> koen: ncie out of context quote "I've seen a machine that does it"....
Dec 23 13:09:52 <koen> av500 knows IT
Dec 23 13:16:27 <wmat> koen: yeah, that one
Dec 23 13:23:00 * koen sifts through his git backlog and starts sending out patches
Dec 23 13:24:12 <dlewin> hi*
Dec 23 13:24:35 <XorA> koen: hoping to get stuff pushed when people are too drunk to notice?
Dec 23 13:24:54 <dlewin> is this the correct channel for question about starting with beagle ? 
Dec 23 13:25:08 <woglinde> dlewin yes
Dec 23 13:25:16 <dlewin> thank you
Dec 23 13:25:19 <koen> XorA: yes!
Dec 23 13:25:21 <koen> http://fabienne.us/2011/12/22/mate-cosies-warm-hands-cold-mate/
Dec 23 13:26:14 <woglinde> koen haha the perfect nerd chrismas gift
Dec 23 13:26:18 <XorA> hehe, those Mate addicts are totally hardcore :-D
Dec 23 13:26:35 <dlewin> I already had done some devs on arm boards (www.embeddedarm.com and FriendlyARM 2440) but I just discovered the Beagle board and would like some infos please
Dec 23 13:26:56 <woglinde> dlewin did you read the webpage?
Dec 23 13:27:15 <dlewin> yes for sure, and the doc (quickly I admit)
Dec 23 13:27:21 <woglinde> okay
Dec 23 13:27:36 <woglinde> hm now I know why the chromium stuff is this big
Dec 23 13:27:42 <woglinde> it has more tests than code
Dec 23 13:27:49 <dlewin> nevertheless I should have missed the LCD part of it
Dec 23 13:28:20 <dlewin> I didn't found what kind of LCD can be connected 
Dec 23 13:28:33 <woglinde> hm there are examples in the wiki
Dec 23 13:30:12 <woglinde> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
Dec 23 13:30:42 <dlewin> OK didn't saw a wiki on the website, Google helped me (http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard I assume)
Dec 23 13:31:09 <woglinde> beagle.org under Getting Started
Dec 23 13:31:22 <woglinde> looks like wiki nor?
Dec 23 13:31:50 <dlewin> yes was too obvious for me) )
Dec 23 13:37:43 <dlewin> well I only see Raw LCD, but what to have LCD < 10" ?
Dec 23 13:38:38 <dlewin> is there any possibility to have OTS LCD ?
Dec 23 13:39:09 <woglinde> sorry I dont know much about lcd
Dec 23 13:39:18 <dlewin> arg
Dec 23 13:41:02 <dlewin> I explain why : the A8 is something that is rock n roll, and I was looking for a board that can also have an embedded display like this : http://static3.watterott.com/2009718-1.jpg
Dec 23 13:42:27 <woglinde> embedded display?
Dec 23 13:42:36 <koen> http://boardzoo.com/product_info.php?products_id=1&osCsid=86c8ab1dcdb6be58fcee9565cecb8a37 ?
Dec 23 13:42:41 <dlewin> yes
Dec 23 13:43:18 <dlewin> ah nice
Dec 23 13:45:47 <dlewin> ok so as a start this could be fine   , elsewhere I go "raw" : is that right ?
Dec 23 13:59:21 <sakoman__> koen: any opinion on where gnupg recipe should go?  recipes-extended, recipes-support??
Dec 23 14:05:53 <mru> recipes-encrypted
Dec 23 14:06:37 <av500> in order to decrypt this recipe, use it to build gnupg....wait...
Dec 23 14:07:06 <sakoman__> :-)
Dec 23 14:53:41 <koen> sakoman__: extended would be mmy guess
Dec 23 14:54:19 <mru> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/technology-16316439
Dec 23 14:58:25 <wmat> mru: any idea when we can pre-order?
Dec 23 14:59:07 <wmat> oh, early Jan.
Dec 23 14:59:44 <koen> isn't it easier to just ask for $30 from broadcom directly?
Dec 23 15:20:33 <koen> woglinde: classpath pull request sent
Dec 23 15:20:59 <koen> I was too lazy to find the SPDX name for the license, so I just added a comment
Dec 23 15:23:11 <av500> YAAB
Dec 23 15:25:19 <koen> heh
Dec 23 15:25:19 <koen> http://spdx.org/licenses/
Dec 23 15:25:25 <koen> "GPL-2.0-with-classpath-exception"
Dec 23 15:26:54 <av500> mru: one has to acknowledge, they have a way more dramatic narrative compared to e.g. beagle....
Dec 23 15:27:37 <koen> how else are you going to sell and arm11 board running debian?
Dec 23 15:27:45 <koen> s/and/an/
Dec 23 15:30:16 <av500> koen: I am against arming boards
Dec 23 15:32:29 <koen> isn't that the second amendment?
Dec 23 15:32:53 <av500> ARMendment
Dec 23 15:33:08 <koen> "you have the right to arm bears and boards"?
Dec 23 15:33:45 <av500> that one
Dec 23 15:38:39 <mranostay> heh
Dec 23 15:58:26 <mru> https://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-stop-writing-useless-programs-systemd-journal
Dec 23 16:39:50 <av500> koen: you are a troll :)
Dec 23 16:40:01 <koen> yes
Dec 23 16:40:16 <koen> but what triggered you commenting on it this time?
Dec 23 16:40:19 <koen> the ubuntu thing?
Dec 23 16:43:53 <emeb> It was that whole "lives under a bridge" thing.
Dec 23 16:44:33 <koen> no, the netherlands is below sealevel, not under a bridge
Dec 23 16:45:30 <av500> koen: yeah
Dec 23 16:49:21 <A2Sheds> wmat: http://rhombus-tech.net//  http://rhombus-tech.net//allwinner_a10/  take a look a this open project instead of the Pi
Dec 23 16:50:17 <av500> this one is hilarious
Dec 23 16:50:28 <A2Sheds> wmat: there might also be a respin of the beaglebone in the same http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/PCMCIA  format 
Dec 23 16:51:32 <av500> its going to be a free/open/GPL project, but gee, no manual/documentation for the chip
Dec 23 16:51:47 <emeb> eh - details.
Dec 23 16:51:59 <A2Sheds> there are already docs
Dec 23 16:52:26 <emeb> and PCMCIA? Hello, the 90's called and want their format back.
Dec 23 16:52:51 <av500> A2Sheds: where?
Dec 23 16:53:39 <A2Sheds> emeb: try Google translate
Dec 23 16:54:01 <av500> emeb: pcmcia for the physical connector
Dec 23 16:54:13 <av500> not for plugging it into your laptop
Dec 23 16:55:24 <A2Sheds> allwinner docs are currently being translated to human readable English
Dec 23 16:55:43 <emeb> Ah. Well it is a dense connector. Still seems kinda retro to me.
Dec 23 16:56:15 <A2Sheds> I'm more interested in a Sitara on the same form factor with PCIe
Dec 23 16:58:58 <aholler> why pcie?
Dec 23 17:00:53 <av500> ISA?
Dec 23 17:01:22 <muriani> VESA?
Dec 23 17:01:38 <aholler> those are soc's, or not?
Dec 23 17:02:24 <A2Sheds> BYOB?
Dec 23 17:02:34 <aholler> so why care about a bus, they should contain everything which is needed
Dec 23 17:02:37 <emeb> NSFW
Dec 23 17:03:12 <A2Sheds> aholler: what "they" do you refer to?
Dec 23 17:03:22 <aholler> they = the soc.
Dec 23 17:03:29 <aholler> the chip
Dec 23 17:04:49 <A2Sheds> ok, lots of interest in an open ARM board with PCIe, there just aren't that many ARM soc's with PCIe
Dec 23 17:08:17 <jay6981> is there an axi to pcie bridge?
Dec 23 17:08:23 <jay6981> or an ocp to pcie bridge
Dec 23 17:08:44 <emeb> I want MIL-STD-1553 to Eurocard.
Dec 23 17:09:26 <emeb> or VME. Take your pick.
Dec 23 17:10:35 <A2Sheds> VME from the 80's?
Dec 23 17:11:01 <A2Sheds> add multibus and it's all covered
Dec 23 17:13:27 <A2Sheds> emeb: I guess PCMCIA tooling and connectors are in surplus all over China or they would have chosen cardbus or something else really low cost
Dec 23 17:13:47 <emeb> That's a good theory.
Dec 23 17:14:10 <emeb> I suppose then you'd need some sort of PCMCIA backplane.
Dec 23 17:14:19 <A2Sheds> what I heard from the devs
Dec 23 17:15:01 <A2Sheds> the plan is backplanes and a modular architecture for notebooks, tablets, set-top-boxes etc
Dec 23 17:16:03 <A2Sheds> netbook case retool was around $2k for the insert
Dec 23 17:17:18 <A2Sheds> somehow the light went on in China to exchange hardware NRE for Linux development and support from the community
Dec 23 17:25:37 <ConnectToFreenod> win64 beaglebone help requested
Dec 23 17:28:41 <ConnectToFreenod> ping
Dec 23 17:30:36 <mranostay> heh win64
Dec 23 17:30:41 <woglinde> koen did you now find the right license?
Dec 23 17:30:52 <ConnectToFreenod> pidgin
Dec 23 17:30:58 <ConnectToFreenod> who
Dec 23 17:35:28 <woglinde> koen btw. fix your git setup -> Signed-off-by: Your Name koen@dominion.thruhere.net
Dec 23 17:35:30 <ka6sox> I need an email to IRC nick translater.
Dec 23 17:36:06 <ka6sox> translator?
Dec 23 17:36:24 <ka6sox> probably the latter
Dec 23 17:38:34 <ConnectToFreenod> anyone try to bring up beaglebone on win64?
Dec 23 17:39:54 <ConnectToFreenod> vid pid for ti xds 100 v2 require driver..win64 won't allow installation due to driver signing how to get around?
Dec 23 17:44:47 <xxiao> anyone runs bitlbee
Dec 23 17:47:03 <Nemesis][> on the bb or in general?
Dec 23 17:48:44 <xxiao> in general
Dec 23 17:48:48 <koen> woglinde: pull request updated
Dec 23 17:49:09 <Nemesis][> xxiao: yeah; I use it everyday
Dec 23 17:49:40 <xxiao> Nemesis][: trying to set it up on my server, bitlbee+irssi
Dec 23 17:49:47 * Nemesis][ nods.
Dec 23 17:50:05 <Nemesis][> That's what I use. bitlbee + irssi + screen + ssh.
Dec 23 17:51:00 <xxiao> coold, setting it up now
Dec 23 17:51:05 <Nemesis][> I'd suggest using a few scripts w/irssi that work w/bitlbee (typing notices, etc.,..)
Dec 23 17:51:06 <xxiao> s/coold/cool
Dec 23 17:53:27 <Nemesis][> check out http://scripts.irssi.org/ - several scripts for it
Dec 23 17:57:49 <xxiao> Nemesis][: after i installed bitlbee on my server, is it by default open to other users to register? for this case I just want to do connect localhost
Dec 23 18:02:16 <woglinde> koen I pushed it, with the correction before ;)
Dec 23 18:03:03 <koen> thanks!
Dec 23 18:09:30 <Nemesis][> xxiao: I believe it only binds to localhost by default.
Dec 23 18:20:32 <woglinde> thats a funny nick now
Dec 23 18:44:04 <beaglebonedriver> beaglebones need an online forum...for obvious reasons
Dec 23 18:46:14 <rcn-ee> beaglebonedriver, and the "beagleboard google group" doesn't work for that?
Dec 23 18:46:15 <tlab> there is a google group started, but no one has joined it
Dec 23 18:46:15 <woglinde> lol
Dec 23 18:47:52 <beaglebonedriver> i'll join the google group then and go from there
Dec 23 18:48:52 <beaglebonedriver> in this linux dominated world..cross platform issues are not going to be well received
Dec 23 18:49:08 <beaglebonedriver> beaglebone is all about cross platform
Dec 23 18:49:41 <jkridner> koen: actually, I'm just a fan of JavaScript, not Java.  I like Rhino, thanks to access to Java libraries from JavaScript, but Rhino development isn't moving fast enough these days to keep up with environments like node.js.
Dec 23 18:51:45 <koen> heh, forums
Dec 23 18:52:22 <woglinde> *g*
Dec 23 18:52:58 * koen wonders what use the 'beaglebone' google group is when there already is a beaglebone one
Dec 23 18:52:58 <woglinde> jkridner but no rxtx without java or you rewrite in js
Dec 23 18:54:27 <beaglebonedriver> forums have history and threads, irc logs are insane to try and find out if someone has had a similar issue
Dec 23 18:54:57 <koen> forums are for people who think avatars are more important than substance
Dec 23 18:55:40 <rcn-ee> beaglebonedriver, the 'google group' has history and threads.. ;)
Dec 23 18:56:22 <beaglebonedriver> you are right..google group will work...
Dec 23 18:58:29 <koen> jkridner: did I show you http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/schmux/ already?
Dec 23 18:58:40 <johngalt> is the bone stuck with java or can that be stripped out pretty easily?  would rather just deal with shell access, scripting, and an occasional gcc cross compile.
Dec 23 18:58:53 <aholler> forums are for people which are in need of patience, especially when they ask in irc and leaving it again after two minutes without response
Dec 23 18:59:14 <jkridner> koen: nope.  is that a node.js app?
Dec 23 18:59:20 <johngalt> not to mention not having the webserver open as a potential hole.
Dec 23 18:59:35 <jkridner> what repo is that in/
Dec 23 18:59:35 <koen> jkridner: plain browser side js, but I want to hook it into bonescript later
Dec 23 18:59:38 <jkridner> k.
Dec 23 18:59:52 <jkridner> thanks!
Dec 23 19:00:10 <koen> jkridner: https://github.com/koenkooi/bonescript/tree/processing-dynamic-view-for-koen
Dec 23 19:00:35 <koen> johngalt: there is no java installed by default on the beaglebone
Dec 23 19:00:59 <_av500_> not even a small espresso shot?
Dec 23 19:01:38 <koen> not even a cuban coffee
Dec 23 19:01:43 <johngalt> so what is all the management and browser based programming I hear about?  what exactly is node.js?
Dec 23 19:01:50 <jay6981> javascript != java
Dec 23 19:02:02 <jkridner> johngalt: nodejs.org ...  
Dec 23 19:02:11 <aholler> hmm, time to eat one of those "pocket coffee" I've found in my calendar ;)
Dec 23 19:02:18 <jkridner> it is server-side javascript....
Dec 23 19:02:25 <xxiao> why a separate bone forum? i thought panda should be merged to beagle channel
Dec 23 19:02:31 <jkridner> event-based asynchronous programming model.
Dec 23 19:02:34 <xxiao> plus oe
Dec 23 19:02:34 <_av500_> aholler: they taste awful
Dec 23 19:02:39 <_av500_> l
Dec 23 19:02:40 <jkridner> panda is not beagle.
Dec 23 19:02:58 <_av500_> totally different anatomy
Dec 23 19:03:11 <xxiao> well to me it's all ti-oss irc
Dec 23 19:04:08 <EvanR> jkridner: more like javascript based model, the idea of all io being asynchronous could have been implemented without being atrocious for the programmer
Dec 23 19:04:17 <EvanR> unfortunately it uses javascript
Dec 23 19:04:27 <EvanR> not a very sophisticated runtime
Dec 23 19:04:34 <EvanR> as far as concurrency goes
Dec 23 19:04:51 <EvanR> has anyone seen Walt?
Dec 23 19:05:52 <jkridner> EvanR: sure, node.js just uses some particular C++ library choices to be asynchronous.  All could be done in C++.
Dec 23 19:06:00 <jkridner> I think it is a fairly clean implementation.
Dec 23 19:06:15 <EvanR> its not
Dec 23 19:06:29 <EvanR> and if it were 'all in c++' it would be even worse
Dec 23 19:06:30 <jkridner> JavaScript's closures make it relatively easy to program to me.
Dec 23 19:06:49 <EvanR> you mean sane support for functions
Dec 23 19:06:57 <jkridner> ?
Dec 23 19:07:20 <EvanR> lacking in most systems before and after javascript
Dec 23 19:07:27 <jkridner> I fall into the camp that likes 'fibers'.
Dec 23 19:07:34 <aholler> _av500_: they taste escpecially awfull if you think they are something else. when I've eaten the first one i expected something sweet, which resulted in poor horror. but now I like them ;)
Dec 23 19:07:44 <jkridner> how do you define "sane support for functions"?
Dec 23 19:08:03 <aholler> s/poor/pure/
Dec 23 19:08:06 <jay6981> first class?
Dec 23 19:08:08 <EvanR> lexical scope, first class
Dec 23 19:08:34 <EvanR> culture of higher order functions, which js doesnt have
Dec 23 19:08:46 <jay6981> scheme ftw
Dec 23 19:08:56 <EvanR> haskell ftw
Dec 23 19:09:53 <xxiao> while java is still probably the best for large enterprise depolyment, nodejs likely can take over the smaller server side apps
Dec 23 19:10:22 * jkridner will admit to a bit of hackery in JavaScript as a language.
Dec 23 19:10:43 <jkridner> still, it is pervasive.  scheme and haskell, not so much.
Dec 23 19:11:26 <EvanR> pervasive means interchangabibility of worker drones
Dec 23 19:11:33 <EvanR> you get what you pay for
Dec 23 19:13:03 <EvanR> 5 nested IO actions in node.js requires 5 nested callbacks, and like 5*n levels of indentation. hacky synchronous actions exported by modules are easier to use, and freeze up the runtime
Dec 23 19:13:12 <EvanR> no other threads can run
Dec 23 19:13:32 <EvanR> its not out of the realm of possibility to have both
Dec 23 19:13:36 <EvanR> just not in js
Dec 23 19:13:40 <xxiao> sadly no nodejs/v8 for mips and ppc
Dec 23 19:14:13 <aholler> learn c++ and everything will become good ;)
Dec 23 19:15:03 <EvanR> or you will end up committing suicide via garbage disposal
Dec 23 19:15:06 <EvanR> one of the two
Dec 23 19:16:56 <jay6981> lol c++ good
Dec 23 19:17:11 <xxiao> 0x11 looks promising
Dec 23 19:17:27 <aholler> it is
Dec 23 19:18:50 <xxiao> esp the new thread stuff, wish i could find a good book or blog on that
Dec 23 19:20:28 <aholler> I assume the best book currently available is the overview from scott meyers.
Dec 23 19:21:32 <aholler> or the standard itself ;)
Dec 23 19:23:41 <aholler> but hey it's friday, we should go back trying to use java ;)
Dec 23 19:25:04 <aholler> which runs fast, everywhere and with errors
Dec 23 19:25:07 <xxiao> c++ is still weak in UI comparing to java and js,
Dec 23 19:25:29 <xxiao> Qt/Gtk do not really cut it...
Dec 23 19:26:01 <EvanR> in what department is c++ not weak?
Dec 23 19:26:17 <aholler> ui in java?
Dec 23 19:26:40 <woglinde> qt is really nice in gui
Dec 23 19:26:57 <woglinde> and looks still like early 90ies
Dec 23 19:27:02 <woglinde> ups
Dec 23 19:27:04 <woglinde> +swing
Dec 23 19:27:24 <woglinde> fx is only available for x86
Dec 23 19:27:28 <woglinde> and windows
Dec 23 19:27:59 <xxiao> i guess...js-html5-based UI will rule inside/outside browser soon
Dec 23 19:28:17 <xxiao> yeah time to learn js all the way
Dec 23 19:29:13 * xxiao finds out all the software arch he mets are sort of java geeks in the past
Dec 23 19:29:42 <xxiao> it appears they have the _big_ picture, embedded c developers are just dirty hackers
Dec 23 19:29:58 <woglinde> xxiao my main job is doing java too
Dec 23 19:29:58 <jay6981> lol what?
Dec 23 19:30:04 <aholler> than you never meet a real architect
Dec 23 19:30:17 <xxiao> aholler: maybe, just speaking out of what i saw
Dec 23 19:30:21 <jay6981> how can you be some brilliant software architect and not know how to do embedded?
Dec 23 19:30:52 <aholler> architects don't write sw
Dec 23 19:31:11 <aholler> most of them can't
Dec 23 19:31:24 <xxiao> aholler: they did a lot in the past, until they began to arch
Dec 23 19:31:38 <aholler> no,not if they used java ;)
Dec 23 19:32:22 <EvanR> the pain
Dec 23 19:32:56 <EvanR> ui is in a pretty piss poor shape in the industry
Dec 23 19:32:56 <xxiao> nowadays it appears you have to know the front end, back end, and the devices to architect
Dec 23 19:33:05 <aholler> the java hype started when ibm got a lack of cobol programmers
Dec 23 19:33:50 <xxiao> and most architects were doing back-end, just what i saw
Dec 23 19:36:32 <xxiao> anyone uses bitbucket instead of the ever so popular github? 
Dec 23 19:36:41 <jay6981> aye
Dec 23 19:37:11 <xxiao> i found bitbucket is more permissive, 
Dec 23 19:37:25 <jay6981> i can make repos private
Dec 23 19:40:40 <xxiao> jay6981: right, i put my code snippets there to sync everywhere, they're not necessary oss projects, just personal notes stuff
Dec 23 19:40:45 <xxiao> can't do that on github
Dec 23 19:41:52 <jay6981> yeah, it's nice
Dec 23 19:50:07 <xxiao> https://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-stop-writing-useless-programs-systemd-journal
Dec 23 19:50:45 <aholler> you don't like a registry for linux? I'm sure thats his next project ;)
Dec 23 19:51:17 <xxiao> while trying to learn systemd just spotted that
Dec 23 19:51:51 <xxiao> aholler: well i think android is doing windows registry 
Dec 23 19:53:07 <aholler> handle plain text files isn't that comfortable using a phone or tablet ;)
Dec 23 19:54:16 <xxiao> just read some of the petitions, wow
Dec 23 19:54:40 <xxiao> i agree that guy should quit linux in general, and join M$ instead
Dec 23 19:56:30 <xxiao> he did a lot, but connect thos dots, he probably did more damage than good indeed, so it's better for him to just stop
Dec 23 20:01:36 <Russ> why the hate?
Dec 23 20:05:31 <xxiao> Russ: it appears he indeed is doing something against kiss
Dec 23 20:05:49 <xxiao> Russ: for me it's about if i should dig into systemd  for the holiday :)
Dec 23 20:07:47 <Russ> If someone designed sysvinit today, you would not be saying it was "kiss"
Dec 23 20:08:16 <xxiao> hmm maybe
Dec 23 20:08:22 <aholler> it's based on 'simple' shell scripts
Dec 23 20:08:36 <Russ> especially with the hack on dependancy based startup stuff they have right now
Dec 23 20:08:42 <Russ> metadata in the comments and all
Dec 23 20:08:43 <xxiao> i have yet to check into systemd to really comment
Dec 23 20:08:57 <xxiao> but the binary log seems like a no brainer
Dec 23 20:09:29 <Russ> it has the capability of logging binary data
Dec 23 20:10:38 <xxiao> is there is a use case why not just extends syslog/syslog-ng etc
Dec 23 20:10:42 <xxiao> s/is/if/
Dec 23 20:10:47 <Russ> btw, someone tell robert nelson not to do an apt-get install -y ia32-libs on my box, I don't appreciated it
Dec 23 20:12:34 <rcn-ee> Russ, which script? ;)
Dec 23 20:12:37 <aholler> I just read such in tegra-docs ;)
Dec 23 20:12:58 <woglinde> aholler what?
Dec 23 20:13:07 <aholler> installing ia32-libs
Dec 23 20:14:08 <aholler> reminds me on android.
Dec 23 20:14:17 <xxiao> aholler: lol same here
Dec 23 20:15:44 <xxiao> android is all about hw-accel, i.e. the closed binary blob stuff
Dec 23 20:15:54 <xxiao> which it hard to work with
Dec 23 20:16:19 <rcn-ee> Russ, missing context, which script where you running that installed that?
Dec 23 20:17:05 <xxiao> you can get a non-hw-accel running fairly easily, but pretty much useless
Dec 23 20:17:45 <woglinde> xxiao depends
Dec 23 20:18:54 <xxiao> woglinde: you mean?
Dec 23 20:19:10 <xxiao> panda runs 4.0.3 with hw-accle fine now though
Dec 23 20:19:46 <xxiao> i guess there is no such thing for bone, yet, not sure
Dec 23 20:21:49 <woglinde> if you need hw-accles
Dec 23 20:21:51 <woglinde> till later
Dec 23 20:48:46 <Russ> create_sgx_package.sh
Dec 23 20:49:02 <aholler> hmm, reading about all the senseless pain through asus usage of a secured boot-foo, I'm not sure, if it's good idea to buy a transformer prime. it's just stupid that all those companies are working against their users
Dec 23 20:50:43 <rcn-ee> Russ, fixed.. ;) https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/commit/c38fd03078bca8ed986c60128efb3182c3df9aa5  Alot of them were first set 2 years ago and never removed.. ;)
Dec 23 20:50:49 <Russ> thanks :)
Dec 23 20:50:56 <Russ> I'm multilib now, so no ia32-libs
Dec 23 20:52:20 <Russ> is that the best way for the ubuntu-11.04-r7-minimal-armel.tar.xz image?_
Dec 23 20:52:41 <rmoriz> re
Dec 23 20:52:50 * xxiao hates putty's color scheme that renders vim so hard to read
Dec 23 20:52:54 <rcn-ee> Yeah, i've moved off ubuntu, so i haven't ran into that yet.. but knew it's coming..
Dec 23 20:53:01 <rcn-ee> tar xJx...
Dec 23 20:53:10 <Russ> as long as it works
Dec 23 20:53:25 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i did a fresh install from your images, than psp3 kernel upgrade but that realtek/edimax does not work hrm...
Dec 23 20:53:38 <rcn-ee> rmoriz, yeah it's the same kernel we were playing with last night..
Dec 23 20:53:55 <rcn-ee> Russ, i just uploaded a precise-armhf image you might like over that armel 11.04...
Dec 23 20:54:09 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i had some linaro packages then so I started from scratch to have a clear foundation
Dec 23 20:54:18 <Russ> will dist-upgrading get me there?
Dec 23 20:54:34 <rcn-ee> it's actually an arch change.. maybe/maybe not.. ;)
Dec 23 20:54:47 <Russ> oh, hf
Dec 23 20:54:50 <rcn-ee> ;)
Dec 23 20:55:05 <Russ> that would probably be a big boost for what I'm doing
Dec 23 20:55:42 <rcn-ee> just finished upload: http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/precise/ubuntu-precise-alpha1-minimal-armhf.tar.xz (now just updating the wiki)
Dec 23 20:56:22 <Russ> down at the part where it talks about updating the uImage, you have a DIST=..., you need to add -armel or -armhf to the dist
Dec 23 20:57:18 <rcn-ee> yeah, on my server, i changed all "dist" -> "dist-arch" for directories, as for precise, we have an armel and armhf version..
Dec 23 21:02:26 <rcn-ee> rmoriz, i ended up finding a 2nd rtlwifi module today, that doesn't work at all.. So i have on that works 1/3 of time and the other none.. will keep watching out for patches..
Dec 23 21:03:27 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: that patches regarding endian-stuff. have you applied them?
Dec 23 21:04:07 <rcn-ee> i haven't tried that patch yet.. it's on my list..
Dec 23 21:05:23 <rmoriz> ok
Dec 23 21:05:51 <Russ> oh, also, my B7 doesn't seem to like the uEnv.txt, I had to make a boot.scr
Dec 23 21:06:19 <rcn-ee> ah, then you have an older x-loader/u-boot not really that big of deal..
Dec 23 21:06:54 <rcn-ee> i usually have people who get stuck at that point do: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Upgrade_X-loader_and_U-boot
Dec 23 21:07:56 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i plugged the edimax to a pandaboard ES running linaro with 3.1 kernel. lsusb shows a difference and detects the device as [Realtek RTL8188CUS] <= CUS not only CU
Dec 23 21:11:43 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,1598,6358,quote=1 hm
Dec 23 21:12:36 <Russ> so 'U-Boot 2011.09-rc2 (Oct 06 2011 - 17:47:10)' not new enough?
Dec 23 21:14:10 <rcn-ee> on an B7, it's probally just a nand enviroment setting that's looking for boot.scr's... that version of u-boot would probally default to reading uEnv.txt's by default.. (but nand enviroment comes first to u-boot)
Dec 23 21:14:50 <Russ> ah, 'bootcmd'
Dec 23 21:17:13 <rcn-ee> i believe "nand erase 260000 20000" would clear just the u-boot enviroment variables stored in nand, then'll it'll default to the u-boot.bin preprogramed boot script..
Dec 23 21:18:56 <Russ> ya, put that under 'Upgrade X-loader and U-boot '
Dec 23 21:19:03 <Russ> otherwise, it doesn't work
Dec 23 21:19:16 <Russ> oh, duh
Dec 23 21:19:18 <Russ> you do have it
Dec 23 21:19:28 <rcn-ee> (just not easy to see)
Dec 23 21:21:58 <Russ> any reason for gdm or lightdm or network-manager over connman?
Dec 23 21:22:37 <branek> Hi to all, I need help with u-boot on xM, rev C. I compiled u-boot from OE recepies and with arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi (think it's 2011.03, but gcc is 4.3.3) tool... Everthing was ok, compilation also, but when I copy u-boot.bin to FAT partition of MMC, I just get "Loading u-boot.bin from mmc" and nothing past that... Any helo, where to look?
Dec 23 21:22:51 <rcn-ee> last i tried, lightdm didn't work right with xfce on oneiric, so left it as is for now..
Dec 23 21:25:27 <branek> with u-boot.bin coming from esc image (to test ulcd7) all is ok, board boot without problem, but as soon as I change uboot.bin, no luck...
Dec 23 21:26:25 <koen> branek: uboot and mlo need to be of the same vintage
Dec 23 21:26:31 <Russ> hooray, /etc/init/ttyO2.conf by default
Dec 23 21:28:25 <branek> koen: thanks, I think I tried that, but no luck also.. will try again... can you get mi some light on MLO, for what is used? Just one sentence please...
Dec 23 21:29:43 <jay6981> its job is to initialize the sdram
Dec 23 21:29:54 <jay6981> sdram controller and load the 2nd stage loader
Dec 23 21:30:57 <branek> Aha, thanks, so u-boot and MLO must always be from same compilation? True?
Dec 23 21:31:33 <jay6981> it's a "good idea" but not sure its absolute requirement
Dec 23 21:33:30 <Russ> Package 'xserver-xorg-video-omap3' has no installation candidate :(
Dec 23 21:34:03 <branek> jay6981: thanks, going to try that now...
Dec 23 21:34:23 <jay6981> MLO (aka xloader) does setup the base system/ram clocks which are difficult to change afterwards
Dec 23 21:35:24 <rcn-ee> Russ, i think that got obsolete in favor of the omapdrm stuff (so needs a different userspace driver in ubuntu precise..)
Dec 23 21:35:33 <rcn-ee> for now fbdev..
Dec 23 21:35:42 <Russ> :(
Dec 23 21:35:50 <Russ> so I really did want oneric
Dec 23 21:37:46 <rcn-ee> actually might just have to build it....
Dec 23 21:37:46 <branek> jay6981: I have MLO after finished compiling u-boot, in same directory as u-boot.bin? is that right MLO? Or I have to download x-loader and compile also?
Dec 23 21:38:51 <jay6981> branek:  in my experience, they are different source packagaes
Dec 23 21:38:58 <jay6981> however they do share a lot of code
Dec 23 21:40:48 <rcn-ee> Russ, looks like it's broken: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=637269
Dec 23 21:41:31 <branek> jay6981: I understand... ah, we desingning system based on xM and we need some custom u-boot commands, it's soo complicated to find all info... (and this is my first contact with OMAP).. 
Dec 23 21:44:27 <jay6981> branek: i hear ya man… i just wrote my own loader :)
Dec 23 21:48:18 <aholler> using java?
Dec 23 21:49:02 <jay6981> hilarious
Dec 23 21:51:31 <Russ> rcn-ee, at 135 days old, its hard to say if its still current
Dec 23 21:52:12 <Russ> branek, its ok, I found grub2 to be seriously lacking in documentation
Dec 23 21:53:11 <Russ> experiment, and look at the source if all else fails
Dec 23 21:57:00 <branek> Russ: Sure, as always... :) Hard life of developers... I already looked at x-loader code and if we suppose that current MLO from demo image it's ok (and it is, proven with stock u-boot.bin), I am not sure why there is trouble to load just different u-boot.bin...
Dec 23 21:57:25 <jay6981> should be fine
Dec 23 21:58:52 <branek> I also think that... need to debug around u-boot to see if it's started anyway... maybe my build of u-boot is broken...
Dec 23 21:59:12 <mranostay> ah the weekend
Dec 23 21:59:17 * mranostay scrolls up
Dec 23 22:01:34 <Phosphate> I ran an opkg update & upgrade which seems to have killed at least networking. Anyone else seen the same thing?
Dec 23 22:01:55 <Phosphate> Oops sorry this is on a new BeagleBone
Dec 23 22:03:24 <Russ> rcn-ee, there is only one commit beyond what is in the debian repo, 'Prevents omapfb from from crashing when pixelclock of 0 is sent to it.'
Dec 23 22:03:58 <Russ> doesn't seem related looking at the backtrace, bummer
Dec 23 22:04:40 <rcn-ee> i can try rebuilding it in my precise-armhf sbuild... 
Dec 23 22:04:53 <Russ> it just doesn't seem related at all
Dec 23 22:05:06 <Russ> is there an upstream other than gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git
Dec 23 22:05:27 <rcn-ee> that's it for upstream of that driver.. it never reallly did much. .;)
Dec 23 22:06:23 <Russ> any clue what https://github.com/robclark/xf86-video-omap is?
Dec 23 22:06:58 <rcn-ee> that's for robclark's new omapdrm.. (first parts just started going into next for v3.3...)
Dec 23 22:07:18 <Russ> so it will replace xf86-video-omapfb
Dec 23 22:07:39 <rcn-ee> exactly... (and be more maintained)
Dec 23 22:07:51 <emeb> I think I figured out why /dev/midiX isn't created on Beaglebone - OSS emulation not enabled in the kernel config...
Dec 23 22:08:42 <woglinde> rcn-ee will it be better?
Dec 23 22:09:31 <rcn-ee> (fingers crossed/forward looking statement) yes... (haven't got it to work myself, tried backporting everything to v3.1...)
Dec 23 22:10:34 <rcn-ee> so, i'm just watching: https://github.com/robclark
Dec 23 22:18:58 <Russ> rcn-ee, unity-greeter doesn't work, lightdm-gtk-greeter does work
Dec 23 22:20:14 <Phosphate> Anyone know if a mirror for the BeagleBone Angstrom demo images? Looking for Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone-2011.11.16.img.gz  
Dec 23 22:25:16 <Russ> bummer, a whole bunch of packages aren't yet built for armhf
Dec 23 22:26:31 <rcn-ee> Russ, it's getting better.. https://launchpad.net/builders (on the right), it was 6k a few weeks ago..
Dec 23 22:26:38 <Russ> geez, or even armel
Dec 23 22:30:54 <Russ> er...a bunch of stuff isn't up to date
Dec 23 22:31:15 <Russ> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/armel/mythtv-frontend vs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/armel/mythtv-frontend/2:0.24.0+fixes.20110908.1de0431-0ubuntu1build1
Dec 23 22:31:30 <Russ> sorry, the first one should be https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/mythtv
Dec 23 22:36:22 <Russ> back to oneiric then
Dec 23 23:04:08 <djlewis> emeb: hi :)
Dec 23 23:04:23 <emeb> djlewis: hey how's it going?
Dec 23 23:04:28 <djlewis> hadn't seen you on in a while
Dec 23 23:04:43 <_av500_> gm djlewis 
Dec 23 23:04:44 <emeb> I've been lurking. Was away most of last week.
Dec 23 23:05:11 <djlewis> gm _av500_ 
Dec 23 23:05:35 <emeb> djlewis: how's the ham rig?
Dec 23 23:06:02 <djlewis> its a fine radio. I dont use it so much yet.
Dec 23 23:06:36 <djlewis> was trying tuse it with HamRadioDeluxe for logging mostly.
Dec 23 23:06:50 <djlewis> every pc cound caused the radio to xmit.
Dec 23 23:07:00 <djlewis> sound
Dec 23 23:07:07 <emeb> Ouch! 
Dec 23 23:07:16 <emeb> Broadcasing your error bells...
Dec 23 23:07:27 <emeb> casting..
Dec 23 23:07:41 <djlewis> turned out vista reset the default sound device to the transceivers usb codec.
Dec 23 23:07:56 <emeb> *eyeroll*
Dec 23 23:08:08 <djlewis> I wasnt using the speakers cause the xmit would come thru them.
Dec 23 23:09:13 <emeb> Audio routing is still a mess
Dec 23 23:10:41 <emeb> I've been futzing with the beaglebone for the last few days. Need to figure out how to build all the software.
Dec 23 23:10:57 <emeb> Been away from oe too long and forgot everything...
Dec 23 23:10:57 <djlewis> I argue that the xmitter requires a specific string of cmds to xmit so snds shouldnt activate it.
Dec 23 23:11:06 <djlewis> yeah, oe does that to me :(
Dec 23 23:11:44 <djlewis> Your young eager mind will sort through it in no time :)
Dec 23 23:11:59 <emeb> I've got a notebook with all the incantations written down as I find them. Doesn't help with a 6-month hiatus.
Dec 23 23:12:12 <emeb> Nice to hear someone thinks 48 is young...
Dec 23 23:12:32 <djlewis> My problem is "now where those damn notes?"
Dec 23 23:12:45 <djlewis> ten years younger than I
Dec 23 23:13:34 <djlewis> but again. . . I get in the Ham radio and most folk are ancient or barely alive . .
Dec 23 23:13:52 <mranostay> heh
Dec 23 23:14:05 <emeb> big hole in the middle, eh?
Dec 23 23:14:15 * mranostay cranks up the weekend jams
Dec 23 23:14:25 <djlewis> mranostay:  hi
Dec 23 23:15:19 * djlewis refuses to join the geratol net.
Dec 23 23:16:05 <djlewis> leaving early, see ya'll later, merry Christmas
Dec 23 23:16:17 <emeb> Happy Holidays. Stay warm.
Dec 23 23:45:53 <koen> \o/
Dec 23 23:45:58 <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/86669029@N00/6561498583
Dec 23 23:46:05 <koen> live readout of mux status
Dec 23 23:46:34 <emeb> kewl
Dec 23 23:47:15 <emeb> Safari browser?
Dec 23 23:47:51 <koen> yes
Dec 23 23:48:42 <emeb> Next trick is to allow it to change the mux state :)
Dec 23 23:48:54 <koen> yeah
Dec 23 23:49:06 <koen> I'll let someone else code that bit
Dec 23 23:49:29 <koen> so I have plausible denial when something goes up in smoke
Dec 23 23:49:48 <emeb> Yup - fiddling the mux w/o forethought could be... bad.
Dec 23 23:51:15 <emeb> koen: did I see you added AIN support to the beaglebone kernel?
Dec 23 23:51:27 <koen> joelagnel did
Dec 23 23:51:55 <emeb> Is that in the kernel that gets built when I use oe to build the cloud9-image?
Dec 23 23:52:01 <koen> yes
Dec 23 23:52:15 <emeb> nice. Starting a fresh OE build now.
Dec 23 23:52:30 <koen> you will notice a different mux, I disable the dvi one
Dec 23 23:52:49 <emeb> I will now. 
Dec 23 23:53:08 <koen> capital names are from the stuff jkridner typed in
Dec 23 23:53:13 <koen> lowercase names from debugfs
Dec 23 23:53:27 <koen> so if you see a uppercase one something is wrong
Dec 23 23:53:59 <emeb> OK.
Dec 23 23:54:24 <koen> AIN pins dont have a mux, so those are OK
Dec 23 23:54:44 <emeb> Yep - and the power pins, reset, etc.
Dec 23 23:55:20 <emeb> Slowly getting back up to speed on this stuff. Need my chops back for working on the FPGA board.
Dec 24 00:00:11 <koen> I like the graphics at http://beagleboardtoys.com/wiki/index.php?title=BeagleBone_DVID
Dec 24 00:00:55 <koen> emeb: apart from setting the mux we'd like it to be able to read and set the expansion EEPROMs as well
Dec 24 00:01:10 <emeb> koen: Indeed - that would be useful
Dec 24 00:01:46 <emeb> re: the DVI-D picture - looks like they did leave off the audio stuff.
Dec 24 00:02:13 <emeb> I'd seen the schematic and wondered.
Dec 24 00:02:23 <koen> yes
Dec 24 00:02:32 <koen> we couldn't get audio to work when we tried
Dec 24 00:02:44 <emeb> Any idea why?
Dec 24 00:02:54 <koen> not sure
Dec 24 00:02:56 <emeb> (After looking at schematic I have a few)
Dec 24 00:03:08 <koen> we're different from the EVM
Dec 24 00:03:20 <koen> both steve k and I didn't have time to fix it :(
Dec 24 00:03:45 <emeb> Hmm. Well, I suppose I'll have to figure it out for myself then.
Dec 24 00:04:02 <emeb> (working on a project with a codec)
Dec 24 00:06:46 <emeb> koen: looks like the DVI enable line that used to be on GPIO_12 got moved.
Dec 24 00:07:41 <koen> could be
Dec 24 00:07:53 <koen> I'm getting a new rev of the DVI board next week
Dec 24 00:08:12 <koen> mostly to work on the EEPROM stuff
Dec 24 00:08:30 <emeb> err - was on P8-4. GPIO1_7
Dec 24 00:08:44 <emeb> I was unhappy about that - interferes with using the GPMC.
Dec 24 00:08:58 <koen> ad7
Dec 24 00:09:33 <emeb> Wonder where it is now.
Dec 24 00:09:52 <emeb> Hopefully some random place on P9
Dec 24 00:12:34 <emeb> Ah - there it is on P9-42. Much better.
Dec 24 00:15:37 <emeb> koen: my concern w/ the audio circuit after looking at the old schematic was the codec was set up as a slave, but the MCLK appeared to come from a crystal on-board. Looked like potential for sync problems.
Dec 24 00:16:43 <ds2> isn't using a codec pin expensive?
Dec 24 00:18:39 <emeb> ds2: not sure what you mean.
Dec 24 00:18:57 <ds2> emeb: it uses a lot of pins... I2S is DIN, DOUT, FS, CLK at the least
Dec 24 00:19:41 <emeb> ds2: true. But unless the codec has an SRC inside the MCLK needs to be sychronous to the BCLK & FS
Dec 24 00:19:54 <emeb> Or else the Codec has to be the master.
Dec 24 00:20:00 <ds2> make the codec master
Dec 24 00:20:02 <ds2> yeah
Dec 24 00:20:08 <ds2> there is limited pins, hence...
Dec 24 00:20:11 <emeb> That's what I want to do on mine.
Dec 24 00:20:31 <emeb> That's the way the codec on the Beagleboard is set up too.
Dec 24 00:20:33 <ds2> I am looking at other audio options with fewer pins
Dec 24 00:20:40 <emeb> like...?
Dec 24 00:20:44 <ds2> PWM
Dec 24 00:21:01 <emeb> Ah. Not what you'd call audiophile though.
Dec 24 00:21:12 <ds2> why would you say that?
Dec 24 00:21:18 <emeb> and not much good for audio input.
Dec 24 00:21:40 <ds2> audio input? use the AIN lines
Dec 24 00:21:47 <emeb> 12-bit?
Dec 24 00:22:04 <ds2> are you thinking of line in or mic in?
Dec 24 00:22:45 <emeb> My app needs stereo in/out with 48kHz/16-bit
Dec 24 00:23:06 <ds2> 'k
Dec 24 00:23:33 <ds2> was thinking more along the lines of FM quality output and maybe a mic input
Dec 24 00:23:36 <emeb> If you're just doing phone/voice quality though PWM & on-chip ADC would probably be fine.
Dec 24 00:23:49 <ds2> the audio out on the beagle xm/classics aren't exactly audiophile quality either
Dec 24 00:24:03 <emeb> Yeah - FM (15kHz/50dB) is probably about right.
Dec 24 00:24:17 <ds2> PWM can get better then that
Dec 24 00:24:30 <ds2> isn't that otherwise know as a 1bit ADC?
Dec 24 00:24:33 <ds2> DAC I mean
Dec 24 00:24:41 <emeb> Weeeellll - sorta
Dec 24 00:24:53 <emeb> 1-bit DACs are really sigma-delta, not PWM
Dec 24 00:25:13 <ds2> I was hearing of high quality CD players with PWM outputs
Dec 24 00:25:29 <emeb> Interesting. That's new to me.
Dec 24 00:25:35 <ds2> this was back in the 90's
Dec 24 00:25:45 <ds2> but I donno how fast they run the clock at
Dec 24 00:25:46 <emeb> Hmmm. 
Dec 24 00:26:02 <emeb> Not really used these days. All sigma-delta.
Dec 24 00:26:03 <ds2> nor do I know off hand how fast the PWM clock can be on the AM33x
Dec 24 00:26:18 <emeb> good question.
Dec 24 00:26:34 <ds2> the hw is basically an emitter follower on the line
Dec 24 00:26:47 <ds2> clock at at like 200KHz and let the output element do the LPF
Dec 24 00:26:50 <emeb> Yep. Hopefully with a good, clean Vdd
Dec 24 00:27:24 <ds2> not sure if clean Vdd is that critical...just make sure any noise is really high up
Dec 24 00:27:36 <emeb> So if you clock PWM @ 200kHz and want 15kHz of BW, that allows you roughly 4-bits resolution.
Dec 24 00:27:53 <ds2> blah... make that 2MHz
Dec 24 00:27:56 <ds2> :)
Dec 24 00:28:14 <ds2> should give some telco quality audio ;)
Dec 24 00:28:37 <emeb> Yeah - about 7-bits then.
Dec 24 00:28:55 <emeb> roughly 42dB SNR
Dec 24 00:29:40 <ds2> Hmmmm
Dec 24 00:32:17 <emeb> re: clean Vdd - any supply noise/ripple/etc goes straight to  your audio output. Shades of the Beagleboard PMIC noise...
Dec 24 00:33:20 <ds2> yes but if it isn't audible, i.e. make sure the noise is > 100KHz
Dec 24 00:34:15 <emeb> Problem is that things happening in the rest of the system aren't always that fast.
Dec 24 00:34:47 <Alistair> Hey guys, need a little advice, have built meta-toolchain targeting beaglebone but environment setup script includes nothing for configuring opkg, any ideas why it may be missing?
Dec 24 00:34:53 <emeb> eg: on Beagleboard I can hear when the SD card is accessed.
Dec 24 00:35:15 <ds2> I am getting ahead of my self... the PMIC on the bone doesn't have enough capacity to handle everything so I have a local power source 
Dec 24 00:35:25 <ds2> that should be switching fast enough to not hear it
Dec 24 00:36:15 <emeb> ds2: Good start - the switcher is faster, but make sure that you don't have slower loads turning on/off, like other peripherals that could pull the supply.
Dec 24 00:36:57 <ds2> good point
Dec 24 00:37:05 <ds2> I suppose I could throw in a local LDO 
Dec 24 00:37:14 <ds2> trying to keep it simple
Dec 24 00:37:16 <emeb> ds2: that's what I would do.
Dec 24 00:37:31 <ds2> problem is those damn LDOs are $$$$$$$
Dec 24 00:37:36 <ds2> at least the ones I like ;)
Dec 24 00:38:00 <emeb> what do you prefer? I get STM LM1117 equivalents for a few cents...
Dec 24 00:38:12 <emeb> but they're not tiny...
Dec 24 00:38:14 <ds2> the ones that are unconditional stable
Dec 24 00:38:26 <ds2> I am tired of chasing down 1234132432432532542332124324 different caps in a design
Dec 24 00:38:33 <emeb> there's that.
Dec 24 00:39:51 <ds2> the power supply is turning out to be the most irksome part
Dec 24 00:40:00 <ds2> special inductors, special caps, etc
Dec 24 00:40:03 <emeb> I've heard that before.
Dec 24 00:40:46 <ds2> esp. the notes about using caps with the ESR in the right range...not too low, not too high
Dec 24 00:40:56 <emeb> Oh yeah. 
Dec 24 00:41:44 <emeb> spend a lot of time looking at cryptic passive part datasheets because of that.
Dec 24 00:42:41 <emeb> lordy - latest oe seems to install a lot more x86 stuff...
Dec 24 00:43:42 <ds2> for a while, using ceramics seems safe 
Dec 24 00:45:34 <emeb> big ceramics can be $$. Also, not good in the audio path - the materials are piezoelectric and can turn vibration into audio signal.
Dec 24 00:46:14 <ds2> how big is it before it gets piezoelectric sensitive?
Dec 24 00:46:35 <ds2> i remember articles on using old throughhole ceramic discs as drum sensors
Dec 24 00:46:49 <emeb> most all ceramics have this to some extent, not really dependent on cap value IIRC.
Dec 24 00:47:05 <emeb> but some dielectric types are better than others.
Dec 24 00:47:31 <emeb> some tantalums are pretty good alternatives.
Dec 24 00:47:52 <ds2> tantalums run the risk of the assembler f'ing it up
Dec 24 00:48:05 <emeb> getting 'em in backwards, etc?
Dec 24 00:48:13 <ds2> yep
Dec 24 00:48:31 <emeb> make unambiguous marks in the silkscreen?
Dec 24 00:48:41 <ds2> that assumes one have room to do so
Dec 24 00:48:58 <emeb> true. How do you handle same problem with diodes/leds, etc
Dec 24 00:49:08 <ds2> I guess in that case, I was inviting disaster with 2 oppositely oriented caps next to each other :)
Dec 24 00:49:21 <emeb> maybe.
Dec 24 00:49:22 <ds2> diodes are in SOT-23
Dec 24 00:49:28 <ds2> LEDs, I just avoid them when i can ;)
Dec 24 00:49:33 <emeb> hard to screw that up.
Dec 24 00:50:03 <ds2> and it depends on the person at the helm... sometimes, they stop it and call to verify polarity but others just install it
Dec 24 00:50:44 <emeb> Oy
Dec 24 00:51:13 <ds2> hence the desire for noncritical caps on the LDO
Dec 24 00:51:19 <emeb> yep
Dec 24 00:51:50 <ds2> but that is only 1 part of it
Dec 24 00:52:22 <ds2> the other is a potentially foolish trick of trying to do a 2 sided board for everything ;)
Dec 24 00:53:14 <emeb> "for everything" meaning multiple applications?
Dec 24 00:53:27 <ds2> I am trying to do a superbone carrier
Dec 24 00:53:34 <ds2> Display, network, audio, power, etc
Dec 24 00:53:46 <ds2> stacking is silly
Dec 24 00:53:54 <ds2> unless you are building the beagleskyscraper ;)
Dec 24 00:54:24 <emeb> Aha - kind of a motherboard with 1 beaglebone & lots of capes plugged in?
Dec 24 00:54:34 <ds2> yep
Dec 24 00:54:56 <ds2> that's why I also have to deal with a power situation
Dec 24 00:55:12 <ds2> it'll support battery operation
Dec 24 00:55:18 <emeb> no kidding.
Dec 24 00:55:36 <ds2> there is enough power for WiFi OR a LCD OR USB
Dec 24 00:55:40 <ds2> but not all 3
Dec 24 00:56:16 <emeb> what will the dimensions be? (how many cape "slots"?)
Dec 24 01:01:18 <ds2> around 4x7
Dec 24 01:02:55 <ds2> goal is to have it sized around a 7" LCD
Dec 24 01:05:01 <emeb> So you can get ~3 boards ('bone + 2) on that?
Dec 24 01:05:34 <ds2> it won't have free resources to do anything else
Dec 24 01:05:44 <ds2> but everything is on there already ;)
Dec 24 01:05:58 <ds2> what else would you want on there?
Dec 24 01:06:20 <emeb> ??
Dec 24 01:06:22 <ds2> there might be a few free GPIOs based on my allocation spreadsheet
Dec 24 01:06:34 <emeb> maybe some sort of sensors, interfaces, etc/
Dec 24 01:06:39 <ds2> sensors will be on there
Dec 24 01:06:56 <ds2> what kind of interfaces?
Dec 24 01:07:08 <emeb> nothing specific in mind...
Dec 24 01:07:37 <ds2> I'd put a CODEC on there but I don't have enough pins available
Dec 24 01:07:54 <ds2> goal is to support about 5 different screens
Dec 24 01:08:16 <emeb> already picked out which 5?
Dec 24 01:08:21 <ds2> yep
Dec 24 01:08:43 <emeb> What's the mfg life of a typical LCD these days? Seems so short to me.
Dec 24 01:09:00 <ds2> OLED (need to confirm with supplier), electronic paper, and 3 sizes of LCDs
Dec 24 01:09:15 <ds2> donno, I am specing long life ones
Dec 24 01:09:49 <emeb> E-ink. Does that use the same interface as LCD?
Dec 24 01:09:54 <ds2> nope.
Dec 24 01:10:01 <emeb> thought so.
Dec 24 01:10:10 <ds2> I need to settle on a flavor of the electronic paper displays
Dec 24 01:10:25 <ds2> some are SPI, others are nastier but can go through the LCD interface
Dec 24 01:11:02 <emeb> makes sense.
Dec 24 01:11:21 <emeb> accel/gyro/GPS?
Dec 24 01:11:29 <ds2> yep + compass
Dec 24 01:11:33 <ds2> + temp.
Dec 24 01:11:40 <emeb> all the important stuff.
Dec 24 01:12:40 <ds2> thought about slapping a FPGA on there but there are no good interfaces 
Dec 24 01:12:45 <ds2> and those things are a power hog
Dec 24 01:13:04 <emeb> Can hang FPGA on SPI if you've got a chip sel free...
Dec 24 01:13:47 <emeb> but if you don't have a specific need, why bother?
Dec 24 01:14:11 <ds2> I don't think there is a pinmux option that would free the CS
Dec 24 01:14:37 <ds2> if it was battery friendly, using one with a core on there can provide for an aux processor
Dec 24 01:14:56 <ds2> might put a MSP430 on there for some tiny tasks
Dec 24 01:15:04 <emeb> Most of the battery-friendly FPGAs are too small for much of a processor.
Dec 24 01:15:50 <ds2> yep
Dec 24 01:16:12 <ds2> or hard core but that leaves very few logic blocks
Dec 24 01:16:42 <emeb> how about a Cortex Mx? Those are pretty good on power, cheap, and ARM like the main MCU.
Dec 24 01:17:27 <ds2> putting a Cortex-M on there as an aux chip instead of a MSP430?
Dec 24 01:17:47 <emeb> yeah
Dec 24 01:18:45 <ds2> got a mfg in mind?
Dec 24 01:18:54 <ds2> the stelleris are a bit big
Dec 24 01:19:02 <emeb> I've been doing a lot with STM32 parts lately.
Dec 24 01:19:25 <emeb> really inexpensive, good selection of peripherals.
Dec 24 01:19:34 <ds2> do they have internal clocks?
Dec 24 01:19:37 <emeb> yep
Dec 24 01:19:56 <ds2> do they have cap sense libraries for all their chips? :D
Dec 24 01:20:11 <emeb> No idea about that.
Dec 24 01:21:09 <ds2> IIRC, the STM32 explorer kits won't let you reuse them as a programmer for your own boards whereas SpiBiWire will
Dec 24 01:21:36 <emeb> News to me. I've been using their Discovery boards as programmers.
Dec 24 01:22:05 <emeb> both the STM32F1xx and STM32F4xx Discovery boards have the SWD bus pinned out.
Dec 24 01:23:02 <ds2> I need to look carefully at the one I got
Dec 24 01:23:30 <ds2> if I can program them, then the only factor is cap sense libraries
Dec 24 01:23:54 <ds2> well, there is the question of do I have footprint already or not. hard to argue with SOIC-16's ;)
Dec 24 01:24:25 <emeb> true
Dec 24 01:24:55 <ds2> all the STM32 leaded parts are QFP, right?
Dec 24 01:27:34 <emeb> AFAIK
Dec 24 01:28:08 <ds2> i suppose the other argument is the MSP430 tools are more mature 
Dec 24 01:28:35 <emeb> I just use GCC + make. Mature enough for you?
Dec 24 01:28:46 <ds2> no, programmer tools
Dec 24 01:29:04 <emeb> Ah. 
Dec 24 01:29:11 <ds2> I will not use IAR. that stuff is miserable
Dec 24 01:29:29 <emeb> The OSS tools for STM32 programming are a bit rough.
Dec 24 01:29:40 <emeb> Their WinXX programming tool is fine though.
Dec 24 01:30:01 <ds2> whereas the MSP430 stuff is - mspdebug rf2500; prog foo.elf
Dec 24 01:30:04 <ds2> and I am done
Dec 24 01:30:16 <emeb> Nice
Dec 24 01:30:28 <emeb> MSP430 is a 16-bit machine, no?
Dec 24 01:30:33 <ds2> but let me see if I can get the board layed out first before worrying about aux processors
Dec 24 01:30:36 <ds2> yeah, it is 16bit
Dec 24 01:30:44 <ds2> but I been happy with using them in a design
Dec 24 01:30:47 <emeb> Good enough for the task at hand.
Dec 24 01:32:17 <emeb> Plus, not seeing any capsense stuff for STM32. 
Dec 24 01:32:30 <emeb> all seems to require external interface chips.
Dec 24 01:32:53 <ds2> they are easy enough to wire in if there is demand
Dec 24 01:33:12 <ds2> I do wish there was a more mature I2C slave library for the MSP430 
Dec 24 01:33:53 <emeb> I2C stuff always seems a bit raw to me.
Dec 24 01:34:12 <emeb> more of the protocol handled in code vs SPI.
Dec 24 01:34:45 <ds2> yes, I'd expect that... SPI is a shift register
Dec 24 01:34:55 <ds2> if it requires handling in SW, I might as well bit bang it
Dec 24 01:35:11 <emeb> true enough.
Dec 24 01:35:42 <ds2> a working I2C slave mode would cut down my need for pins
Dec 24 01:35:59 <ds2> OTH, mapping GPIOs lets me get away with GPIO keys ;)
Dec 24 01:36:32 <emeb> but if you freed up some GPIOs you might be able to afford a real codec. :P
Dec 24 01:36:40 <ds2> no chance
Dec 24 01:36:44 <emeb> heh
Dec 24 01:36:51 <ds2> the MCASP pins are needed in other modes
Dec 24 01:36:59 <emeb> ah
Dec 24 01:37:12 <ds2> have a spreadsheet of it already
Dec 24 01:38:01 <emeb> A matter of priority. Good codec is top priority for my app.
Dec 24 01:38:34 <emeb> Any experience with using the Linux kernel rotary encoder driver through GPIO?
Dec 24 01:38:46 <emeb> I may need to do that 8x.
Dec 24 01:45:10 <ds2> nope
Dec 24 01:45:23 <ds2> I am curious as to how fast it will work at
Dec 24 01:50:59 <emeb> last time I looked at it, it seemed to be IRQ driven - 
Dec 24 01:51:10 <emeb> needs interrupts on every pin it uses...
Dec 24 01:53:05 <emeb> (hmm... better check if AM33xx provides interrupts on arbitrary GPIO)
Dec 24 01:53:30 <ds2> it does but it has a rule about 1 interrupt per bank
Dec 24 01:53:59 <emeb> hmmm - so you have to poll from the bank to find out which pin I suppose...
Dec 24 01:54:25 <emeb> (digs around in TRM...)
Dec 24 01:55:04 <ds2> I think the Linux code takes care of it (I think, check)
Dec 24 01:57:38 <emeb> that would be nice, but need to make sure.
Dec 24 02:03:05 <ds2> I am guessing it won't be a popular thing to require people to remove the pesky RJ45 ;)
Dec 24 02:03:22 <emeb> That would probably be a showstopper.
Dec 24 02:03:43 <ds2> I hate the idea of having to do mouse bites to accomodate the RJ45
Dec 24 02:03:55 <emeb> It's a nuisance.
Dec 24 02:04:23 <emeb> When doing my board layout it seemed like the slot given in the recommended outline wasn't quite big enough either.
Dec 24 02:04:46 <ds2> I am not going with recommendations. I am going with board measurements and my 3D models :D
Dec 24 02:04:52 <emeb> I backed off another 0.025" on the lower edge.
Dec 24 02:05:10 <ds2> there are quite a few untennable things on the recommendations
Dec 24 02:05:18 <ds2> like eatting up all the I2C EEPROM address space
Dec 24 02:05:41 <emeb> Let's just say that I made use of the digital calipers and leave it at that. :)
Dec 24 02:05:52 <ds2> hehe
Dec 24 02:05:57 <ds2> no CMM handy?
Dec 24 02:06:06 <emeb> CMM?
Dec 24 02:06:57 <emeb> coordinate measuring machine...
Dec 24 02:07:02 <emeb> nope. 
Dec 24 02:07:03 <ds2> yep
Dec 24 02:07:18 <ds2> this is why we need a working PicoDLP based scanner 
Dec 24 02:07:27 <emeb> That would be fun.
Dec 24 02:07:42 <emeb> might not be great resolution tho.
Dec 24 02:08:00 <ds2> better then nothing
Dec 24 02:08:03 <Alistair> I'm looking at a simple laser scanner for a future bone project
Dec 24 02:08:19 <ds2> Alistair: what's the scanner for?
Dec 24 02:08:28 <ds2> bar code? digitizing?
Dec 24 02:08:33 <ds2> blinding an opponent? :D
Dec 24 02:08:39 <Alistair> ds2: At the moment general scanning of 3D objects
Dec 24 02:08:51 <ds2> Oh nice
Dec 24 02:08:56 <ds2> what are you using as the readback sensor?
Dec 24 02:10:04 <Alistair> ds2: looking to use a camera sensor, after studying it looks like a low-speed interface is possible on the PRU, with instruction perfect code possibly could handle upto 9mp
Dec 24 02:10:21 <ds2> Nice.
Dec 24 02:10:30 <ds2> got a source for the 9MP sensor?
Dec 24 02:11:40 <Alistair> ds2: I have access to a reseller for an omnivision 9mp sensor and have the docs (signed the NDA!), haven't purchased yet, going to test lower speed using an xmega first just to prove the concept
Dec 24 02:12:16 <ds2> Alistair: is this a personal project?
Dec 24 02:12:32 <Alistair> ds2: I'm considering using a mono sensor however, looking at comercial projects like NextEngine they've gone for this for high quality stills and improved quality laser tracking
Dec 24 02:13:08 <ds2> so you are going to use the dots for tracking/orienting?
Dec 24 02:13:09 <Alistair> ds2: yes, though I can likely get backing to make more of it once concept is proven
Dec 24 02:13:22 <emeb> sounds pretty serious.
Dec 24 02:14:05 <emeb> how do you steer the beam?
Dec 24 02:14:49 <Alistair> it'll be a line laser, if you know the properties of the lens, fixed distance scanning for centre point then it's not too difficult to generate point data, so it's not going to be a free handheld style scanner though there are approaches I could look into after step one
Dec 24 02:15:57 <ds2> does this mean you don't have to do the dots?
Dec 24 02:16:18 <Alistair> it's easier than it sounds, to be honest you could whack one together in a couple of days on a PC but I'm looking at a solution that's standalone networked whilst remaining affordable and a little more fine tuned than a typical hobbyist project, but it's early days
Dec 24 02:16:38 <ds2> it is all trig
Dec 24 02:16:49 <ds2> at least for the completely fixed versions
Dec 24 02:17:26 <Alistair> so I'm spending most of my time focusing on how to get motors driving from the bone + camera direct into bone to reduce component count as step one but early days
Dec 24 02:17:52 <ds2> Steppers?
Dec 24 02:18:11 <Alistair> ds2: initially, yes
Dec 24 02:18:16 <Alistair> ds2: may prove good enough
Dec 24 02:18:35 <ds2> you can generate the wave with a shell script
Dec 24 02:18:51 <ds2> use big resistor/diode/transistors for the driver if you want to be crude
Dec 24 02:19:26 <emeb> ka6sox is working on an FPGA design to drive steppers from a Beagle for a 3D printer. FPGA handles linear slewing in 3D.
Dec 24 02:20:03 <Alistair> aye I'll be interested, another project I'm looking into is an interesting take on affordable 3D sintering
Dec 24 02:20:08 <Alistair> but again, early days :P
Dec 24 02:20:37 <ds2> unless you are doing high speed stepping, chopper is overkill
Dec 24 02:20:40 <Alistair> only got my bone a few days ago, still trying to get the dev tools side all working smoothly so I can get cracking
Dec 24 02:21:01 <emeb> aye
Dec 24 02:21:02 <A2Sheds> affordable 3D sintering... like with a hair dryer??
Dec 24 02:21:08 <Alistair> hahaha
Dec 24 02:21:12 <emeb> hot glue.
Dec 24 02:22:28 <A2Sheds> emb: somebody has RTAI and EMC working with a s3c2440 board
Dec 24 02:22:34 <Alistair> step 1 for me is camera interface on PRU, I'll test first with signal from an xmega, if it works I'll see how far I can push with real sensor, I'll prove concept with i2c to arduino + motor shield for motor driving then if that works I'll look at cooking something up for driving a stepper direct from bone
Dec 24 02:22:35 <A2Sheds> emeb sorry
Dec 24 02:23:20 <A2Sheds> emeb:  http://code.google.com/p/miniemc2/  just FYI
Dec 24 02:24:40 <A2Sheds> is there any working RTAI patch for any beagle? I know somebody worked on RTAI and EMC for the original beagleboard a couple of years ago
Dec 24 02:25:04 <A2Sheds> they had issues with the GPIO hardware however
Dec 24 02:26:43 <emeb> aha - mini2440. I've done some work with that.
Dec 24 02:29:24 <Alistair> I'm lucky for projects I have access to a HP Designjet 3D printer and an industrial miller, things that are still too expensive are scanners and lasers so that's why I'm looking into cheap designs :P
Dec 24 02:30:09 <Alistair> ok I really am confussed, are there any other tasks other than meta-toolchain I should be running for a full SDK?
Dec 24 02:33:48 <jacekowski> i've seen new 3d scanner
Dec 24 02:33:50 <jacekowski> somewhere
Dec 24 02:33:54 <jacekowski> cheap 3d scanner
Dec 24 02:34:19 <jacekowski> made by hp i think
Dec 24 02:34:28 <jacekowski> just camera on movable arm + bit of software
Dec 24 02:34:59 <jacekowski> hp topshot
Dec 24 02:37:11 <Alistair> that's just to capture 2d images of 3d objects I think AKA a camera
Dec 24 02:37:20 <Alistair> no 3d data as such
Dec 24 02:37:46 <Alistair> something comparible to what I'm looking at is http://www.nextengine.com/
Dec 24 02:38:25 <Alistair> this Angstrom SDK business is driving me bonkers, I just can't get an environment script that includes setup of opkg
Dec 24 02:42:02 <Alistair> right must head off! Good chatting, see you guys
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Dec 24 03:20:08 <ds2> generating a point cloud is pretty easy. lots of trig
Dec 24 03:45:27 <Phosphate> has anyont tried an opkg update/upgrade on a beaglebone?
Dec 24 04:03:54 <ds2> ~.
Dec 24 04:21:17 <jkridner> koen: capital names are from the schematic.
Dec 24 04:26:20 <smithw101> Phosphate: I started by building the cloud9 image, but it fails on nodejs-native (building on 64-bit Ubuntu), I haven't been able to resolve it as yet
Dec 24 04:26:31 <smithw101> Have not tried opkg
Dec 24 05:34:27 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: ping
Dec 24 05:54:43 <ka6sox> emeb_mac, pong
Dec 24 05:55:00 <emeb_mac> got the board hooked up?
Dec 24 05:55:13 <ka6sox> yes, I do.
Dec 24 05:55:16 <emeb_mac> kewl
Dec 24 05:55:29 <ka6sox> I am using SPI to talk to it.
Dec 24 05:55:37 <emeb_mac> That's the way to do it.
Dec 24 05:55:57 <emeb_mac> Did you grab the userspace driver code from my git?
Dec 24 05:56:00 <ka6sox> yes, the PRU should be able to push that thing @ 5Mbps just fine
Dec 24 05:56:09 <ka6sox> I lost that link...need to find it again.
Dec 24 05:56:18 <emeb_mac> lemme get that for you...
Dec 24 05:56:30 <ka6sox> (not on github...gitorious?
Dec 24 05:56:53 <ka6sox> )
Dec 24 05:57:32 <emeb_mac> http://gitorious.org/bfpga_lib
Dec 24 05:57:56 <ka6sox> kewl...okay I will snag that now
Dec 24 05:58:24 <ka6sox> eventually I hope to hook up to the emc2 RT API and use the PRU to send data to the FPGA.
Dec 24 05:58:33 <emeb_mac> You'll want bfpga_lib, not bfpga2_lib which is for the newer design...
Dec 24 05:58:43 <ka6sox> got it.
Dec 24 05:59:29 <emeb_mac> PRU + FPGA should be interesting
Dec 24 05:59:46 <ka6sox> it should be fast and dependable.
Dec 24 06:00:09 <emeb_mac> Is EDMA still missing from the kernel?
Dec 24 06:00:20 <ka6sox> looks like someone is working on that bit now.
Dec 24 06:00:24 <emeb_mac> nice
Dec 24 06:00:27 <ka6sox> haven't seen UIO yet
Dec 24 06:01:07 <emeb_mac> I tried to build the oe angstrom cloud9 image this afternoon but it failed. Don't know enough about oe to figure out why.
Dec 24 06:01:22 <ka6sox> edma would make this pretty nice setup...setup a ring buffer and move the pointer around.
Dec 24 06:01:49 <emeb_mac> something about the autotools referencing the host machine during configure in swig...
Dec 24 06:01:49 <ka6sox> the PRU should be able to just use it.
Dec 24 06:02:08 <ka6sox> ugh...autotools and cross dev...bleh
Dec 24 06:02:23 <emeb_mac> sounds like a koen question...
Dec 24 06:02:40 <ka6sox> yes, it is
Dec 24 06:03:04 <emeb_mac> anyway, what I really need is the kernel and that appears to have built OK
Dec 24 06:03:18 <ka6sox> I should head home and download the 140 Macro shots I did today.
Dec 24 06:03:22 <emeb_mac> gotta disable the cleanup phase and rebuild
Dec 24 06:03:32 <emeb_mac> Still at work? dedicated.
Dec 24 06:03:36 <ka6sox> but I am having too much fun with adding new functionality
Dec 24 06:03:53 <ka6sox> I just stopped by here to pick up the C4 and FPGA board + another PS
Dec 24 06:04:10 <emeb_mac> cool - have fun w/ that.
Dec 24 06:04:35 <ka6sox> I just put all 5.5GB of Xilinx stuff on the netbook and will take that with me.
Dec 24 06:04:54 <ka6sox> also the pod.
Dec 24 06:05:26 <emeb_mac> handy for debug
Dec 24 06:05:53 <ka6sox> ya, when it doesnt' blinky the light right or something
Dec 24 06:08:01 <ka6sox> I have to make it modular to slip in the NURBS to Steps converters (4)
Dec 24 06:08:56 <emeb_mac> Ah - the 3D driver stuff?
Dec 24 06:09:13 <ka6sox> yes
Dec 24 06:09:39 <emeb_mac> will you be able to do your project with the Beagleboard + FPGA board I sent you?
Dec 24 06:10:08 <emeb_mac> looks like the Beaglebone FPGA board may be delayed a bit longer than your timeline...
Dec 24 06:11:12 <ka6sox> yes, but I can work on it with a "slower" system and see how resilient it is.
Dec 24 06:11:22 <ka6sox> (slower I/O)
Dec 24 06:12:13 <ka6sox> I am presenting a paper @ SCaLE on RT in linux for use in CNC stuffs.
Dec 24 06:12:31 <emeb_mac> ok. we're trying to get it going, but there have been a few board hiccups.
Dec 24 06:12:40 <ka6sox> problem is that the last real good RT mod was in 2.6.26
Dec 24 06:12:44 <emeb_mac> on the upside all the parts are in.
Dec 24 06:12:49 <ka6sox> :D
Dec 24 06:13:04 <emeb_mac> ah - RT patches not working on 3.1 I suppose
Dec 24 06:13:31 <ka6sox> I was building it for 3.1 but it didn't build...haven't had time to fix it yet.
Dec 24 06:13:37 <ka6sox> using PREEMPT_RT
Dec 24 06:13:53 <emeb_mac> Sounds like a fun bit of debugging ahead.
Dec 24 06:14:01 <ka6sox> using that on x86 it wasn't good at all....
Dec 24 06:14:05 <ka6sox> too much jitter.
Dec 24 06:14:34 <ka6sox> good enough for Stock Quotes...not good enough for .1mm prints.
Dec 24 06:14:49 <emeb_mac> Stock Quotes. meh.
Dec 24 06:15:13 <ka6sox> so that means Hardware Assist
Dec 24 06:15:24 <emeb_mac> and thus FPGA...
Dec 24 06:16:15 <ka6sox> ya, might see if PRU is able to use the GPIO well enough to create a way to synthesize a EPP port (several)
Dec 24 06:17:18 <emeb_mac> PRU sounds like an interesting gizmo
Dec 24 06:17:41 <ka6sox> that way I can make the Bone directly control the GPIO pins and get Step/Dir info for everything directly
Dec 24 06:17:52 <ka6sox> s/for/to
Dec 24 06:18:06 <emeb_mac> sounds workable
Dec 24 06:18:59 <ka6sox> I need to create some timing bits to make it work slow enough
Dec 24 06:19:10 <ka6sox> but precisely on time.
Dec 24 06:20:35 <ka6sox> someone suggested earlier that the PRU be used to interpret gcode...but it really doesn't have any text processing stuff.
Dec 24 06:20:45 <ka6sox> (well I guess you could contort it to do that)
Dec 24 06:20:53 <emeb_mac> I saw some discussion about that.
Dec 24 06:21:24 <emeb_mac> Maybe if you tokenize the gcode and hand it to the PRU?
Dec 24 06:21:35 <ka6sox> gcode is already tokenized.
Dec 24 06:21:39 <emeb_mac> at least eliminate the text processing.
Dec 24 06:21:49 <ka6sox> just strip out the M#
Dec 24 06:21:57 <ka6sox> but it shouldn't have to do that.
Dec 24 06:22:03 <ka6sox> the Bone can handle all that itself.
Dec 24 06:22:11 <ka6sox> emc2 can do a fine job.
Dec 24 06:22:55 <ka6sox> hence the mod to the RT API code to use the PRU + GPIO
Dec 24 06:23:40 <ka6sox> problem is that they currently use RTAI which doesnt' work on A8 or in kernels past 2.6.26
Dec 24 06:23:54 <emeb_mac> well - gotta go afk for a while. Let me know if you have any questions re fpga stuff.
Dec 24 06:24:16 <ka6sox> tyvm....will do so
Dec 24 06:24:18 <ka6sox> heading home
Dec 24 08:05:29 <snowrichard> hi
Dec 24 10:00:39 <aholler> /
Dec 24 10:02:59 <_av500_> \
Dec 24 10:16:58 <dm8tbr> _
Dec 24 10:21:36 <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/6563461589
Dec 24 10:21:50 * koen wonders if he should add async setting of the pins or not
Dec 24 10:23:28 <aholler> first add a search function
Dec 24 10:24:31 <aholler> and a reset-to-default button
Dec 24 10:25:49 <koen> burst-into-fire button
Dec 24 10:44:58 <ka6sox> "what does this button do"
Dec 24 10:46:29 <aholler> changing those vdd-pins ;)
Dec 24 10:47:23 <aholler> hmm, btw. I'm missing the 1.8. ;)
Dec 24 10:47:51 <koen> VDD_ADC is 1.8V :)
Dec 24 10:48:55 <aholler> ah, ok.
Dec 24 10:52:54 <_av500_> koen: add HCL
Dec 24 10:52:58 <_av500_> er, HCF
Dec 24 11:47:50 <jacekowski> there is HGF as well
Dec 24 15:04:41 <ngurus> hello
Dec 24 15:04:58 <ngurus> Can anyone help with a few queries regarding beagle board?
Dec 24 15:15:49 <dm8tbr> only if you actually ask them
Dec 24 15:17:45 <ngurus> Can we run Thirdy party applications in a Beagle Board?
Dec 24 15:18:19 <dm8tbr> sure, it can run ordinary linux distributions
Dec 24 15:19:08 <ngurus> Am a  newbie over here, can it run all apps suported by Linux?
Dec 24 15:19:40 <dm8tbr> as long as they compile for ARMv7, yes
Dec 24 15:20:46 <ngurus> Thanks for helping me out! Really appreciate it!
Dec 24 16:41:01 <dsoto> what angstrom package do i need to install to use fdti devices on a beagle bone?
Dec 24 16:41:48 <rlmccormick> hi all, anyone here have any success with any specific usb wifi dongles?
Dec 24 16:41:50 <dsoto> i'm trying to connect the beaglebone to a sparkfun gprs module
Dec 24 16:42:48 <rlmccormick> what kind of interface is on that?
Dec 24 16:47:12 <smithw101> emeb_mac: I saw last night you said your cloud9 build failed … what was the error?
Dec 24 16:55:28 <emeb_mac> smithw101: I don't have the specific error handy, but while building swig it complained that autoconf was referencing the local environment.
Dec 24 16:56:03 <smithw101> Ok, not the error I got stuck at (nodejs-native).
Dec 24 16:56:39 <smithw101> What platform are you building on?
Dec 24 17:03:16 <emeb> smithw101: (changing machines)
Dec 24 17:03:40 <smithw101> emeb: ok
Dec 24 17:03:44 <emeb> I'm building on a Fedora 13 x86_64 box
Dec 24 17:04:26 <smithw101> I'm building on Ubuntu 11.10 x64 VM
Dec 24 17:04:53 <smithw101> I was able to build systemd without a problem, although the image seemed to be missing stuff when I tried to boot it
Dec 24 17:05:27 <smithw101> It did boot, but there were a number of errors and things like networking had to be configured manually
Dec 24 17:06:39 <emeb> Specific error I got was this:
Dec 24 17:07:53 <emeb> http://pastebin.ca/2096169
Dec 24 17:09:26 <emeb> koen: ping
Dec 24 17:25:07 <dsoto> hi, i'm having ethernet issues on beagle bone
Dec 24 17:25:21 <dsoto> everything was working and then when i plugged in a USB device it stopped
Dec 24 17:25:25 <dsoto> now i get
Dec 24 17:25:26 <dsoto> ping: sendto: Network is unreachable
Dec 24 17:25:39 <dsoto> any hints on how to restart services?
Dec 24 17:26:05 <dsoto> i've tried a hardware restart but can't ping anything after restart
Dec 24 17:26:39 <dsoto> i can ping 127.0.0.1
Dec 24 17:33:13 <dsoto> nevermind, /etc/init.d/networking restart did the trick
Dec 24 17:55:16 <dsoto> can anyone help me find the right package to get python serial working?
Dec 24 17:55:50 <dsoto> on my beaglebone i get
Dec 24 17:55:53 <dsoto> Unknown package 'python-pyserial'.
Dec 24 17:55:59 <dsoto> also
Dec 24 17:56:11 <dsoto> Unknown package 'python-setuptools'.
Dec 24 17:56:29 <dsoto> i have installed both of these on my xm/angstrom
Dec 24 17:56:44 <dsoto> why is my bone/angstrom behaving differently?
Dec 24 18:09:58 <koen> emeb: rm /opt/oe_bone/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2010_x-eglibc/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/swig-2.0.0-r0.0/swig-2.0.0/config.log as a work around
Dec 24 18:17:41 <emeb> koen: thanks - I'll try it
Dec 24 18:19:22 <koen> emeb: I haven't seen that error myself yet on debian obsolete and fedora 16
Dec 24 18:20:25 <emeb> too much distro diverstity
Dec 24 18:20:51 <dsoto> koen: i saw your name in some old threads on pyserial, have you known anyone to install it on a beaglebone?
Dec 24 18:22:27 <emeb> koen: after removing the config.log, just rerun bitbake cloud9-image? Did that and it still bombs out.
Dec 24 18:24:54 <koen> emeb: on the same place?
Dec 24 18:25:03 <emeb> yep
Dec 24 18:26:06 <koen> emeb: ok, comment out source/openembedded-core/meta/classes/insane.bbclass:607:do_configure[postfuncs] += "do_qa_configure "
Dec 24 18:26:24 <koen> the big hammer approach
Dec 24 18:26:40 <anduck> soo uhh
Dec 24 18:26:42 <emeb> koen: heh...
Dec 24 18:26:46 <anduck> when do beaglebones ship?
Dec 24 18:27:00 <koen> but if you just want the kernel, bitbake virtual/kernel doesn't need swig
Dec 24 18:27:00 <anduck> anyone knows?
Dec 24 18:27:26 <emeb> koen: yes - already got the kernel built w/o rm_work.
Dec 24 18:27:39 <koen> emeb: for an up to date image: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.12-core-beaglebone-2011.12.22.img.gz
Dec 24 18:27:41 <dsoto> anduck: do you mean for the first time?  i already bought two
Dec 24 18:27:42 <emeb> just wanted to try the whole deal first
Dec 24 18:27:52 <emeb> koen: thanks for linky.
Dec 24 18:28:24 <koen> emeb: that dir will have a new image every day, we're preparing an update for CCO next week
Dec 24 18:28:34 <emeb> koen: kewl
Dec 24 18:28:52 <dsoto> anduck: but they are out of stock right now.  digikey has a ship date estimate of 1/31/2012
Dec 24 18:29:57 <prpplague> koen: i await your +1 
Dec 24 18:30:11 <koen> prpplague: already did
Dec 24 18:31:15 <prpplague> koen: hehe
Dec 24 18:32:14 <koen> dsoto: python-pyserial is on its way to the feeds, should hit all the mirrors in ~3 hours
Dec 24 18:32:54 <ka6sox-away> yay! (I need that one)
Dec 24 18:33:22 <koen> setuptools as well
Dec 24 18:33:49 <emeb> koen: that fixed swig.
Dec 24 18:34:31 <emeb> Oy - now getting: ERROR: Function 'Fetcher failure for URL: 'http://download.gnome.org/sources/gtk+/2.24/gtk+-2.24.8.tar.bz2'. Checksum mismatch!
Dec 24 18:35:39 <koen> rm sources/downloads/gtk+* and retry
Dec 24 18:36:14 <koen> dsoto, ka6sox-away: if you're in a hurry, change the url in /etc/opkg/python-feed.conf to eu.feeds.. and opkg update
Dec 24 18:36:42 <dsoto> koen: brilliant.  thanks for the great info.
Dec 24 18:36:47 <koen> anyway, frodo just got stabbed, so I'm going to pay attention to that now
Dec 24 18:36:57 <ka6sox-away> koen, naw...I can wait till it gets here...thats a tonight thing.
Dec 24 18:37:07 <emeb> koen: off to the races. Thanks.
Dec 24 18:38:29 <anduck> umm
Dec 24 18:38:56 <anduck> well tigal had ship date at 1/9/12 but now it's 1/31/12 :E
Dec 24 19:06:29 <tlab> anyone gotten the beaglebone to network thru the usb cable?
Dec 24 21:01:47 <dsoto> anyone know where to point opkg to install emacs on a beaglebone?
Dec 25 02:57:20 <emeb> w00t - a christmas miracle. Got SPI0 hooked to spidev.
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Dec 25 03:31:49 <leslie_> Hi, anybody have dvsdk 4.01 or 4.02 working on beagle-xm?
Dec 25 03:32:21 <leslie_> I got kernel panic when booting the device
Dec 25 09:12:45 <snowrichard> hi
Dec 25 09:12:58 <aholler> merry christmas
Dec 25 09:14:48 <snowrichard> i should get my beagle board this week
Dec 25 09:15:09 <snowrichard> only thing i don't have ordered yet is the serial cable assembly
Dec 25 09:15:36 <snowrichard> digi key had one that apparently is a null modem cable attaching to the board
Dec 25 09:15:57 <aholler> which beagle?
Dec 25 09:16:37 <snowrichard> i'm getting a rev c2 beagle i think it was, a revision or two behind the current one but it was only 40.00 plus ship
Dec 25 09:16:54 <snowrichard> beagle not bone or xm
Dec 25 09:17:44 <snowrichard> tonight i had to reinstall my linux desktop
Dec 25 09:17:54 <snowrichard> cats caused a power fail that killed my file system
Dec 25 09:18:23 <aholler> you 3 wires, gn, tx and rx. gnd is always correct. if your cable doesn't work, just exchange 2 and 3 .
Dec 25 09:18:42 <snowrichard> yeah i've wired up one by hand back in the day
Dec 25 09:18:48 <snowrichard> between a couple trs80s
Dec 25 09:19:31 <snowrichard> i've got a  breadboard and some hookup wire and soldering iron
Dec 25 09:19:36 <snowrichard> i can probably make my own
Dec 25 09:21:16 <snowrichard> after jan 1 could just buy the one from digi key i will get paid again
Dec 25 10:02:55 <leslie_> Hi, on my beagle-xm, I type in gst-launch -v videotestsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! TIDmaiVideoSink videoOutput=dvi accelFrameCopy=false, and it outputs: ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstTIDmaiVideoSink:tidmaivideosink0: Failed to get display buffer
Dec 25 10:03:05 <leslie_> any one knows this problem?
Dec 25 11:57:06 <Xenland> Hello, The datasheets for any Audio (female) connectors are uninformative - can someone maybe tell me really quick how I hook this up to beaglebone? 
Dec 25 11:57:13 <Xenland> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/SJ-3523-SMT/CP-3523SJCT-ND/669704
Dec 25 12:02:23 <aholler> take 3 wires connect them, done
Dec 25 12:05:27 <Xenland> Last time i tried that - I fried meh board....heh
Dec 25 12:06:24 <Xenland> I've noticed that the Beagle Bone has many types of pins ranging from LCD displays, UART, GPIOs. Im assuming I hook this up to a GPIO or a I2C pin header?
Dec 25 12:07:02 <aholler> no, audio is neiher gpio nor i2c
Dec 25 12:07:34 <Xenland> so PWM then?
Dec 25 12:07:48 <aholler> no, audio is usually labeled like gnd, left and right
Dec 25 12:08:00 <aholler> along with audio
Dec 25 12:08:49 <Xenland> Your sorta new at trolling arn't you?
Dec 25 12:09:17 <aholler> only if quick and not payed
Dec 25 12:09:59 <Xenland> I have some Bitcoins for a correct answer if thats the case
Dec 25 12:10:36 <dm8tbr> does the bone have a audio codec on board?
Dec 25 12:10:59 <Xenland> depends on what OS your running really
Dec 25 12:11:43 <aholler> he talks about hw, not sw
Dec 25 12:11:55 <aholler> don't know if the bone offers audio
Dec 25 12:11:59 * Xenland says the troll
Dec 25 12:12:02 <Xenland> lol
Dec 25 12:12:10 <Xenland> Yeah I don't think there is hardware audio either
Dec 25 12:12:23 <Xenland> hence why im trying to hook up a audio barrel i purchased from digikey
Dec 25 12:12:42 <aholler> than why you've posted just an audio connector?
Dec 25 12:13:20 <Xenland> for that very reason. to get my head phones to work with the beaglebone. All you have to do is interface with the pins and write a driver accordingly
Dec 25 12:13:35 <aholler> ah, if thats so, just do it
Dec 25 12:14:01 <Xenland> Well, I'm not a electronic expert I'm more of a programming expert.... Last time i fried my beaglebone and I bought another one
Dec 25 12:14:11 <Xenland> So I came for some guidance
Dec 25 12:14:33 <Xenland> I have alot of arduino experience
Dec 25 12:14:34 <dm8tbr> lovely the AM335x TRM link is dead 
Dec 25 12:15:51 <aholler> the troll taken it away
Dec 25 12:15:59 <Xenland> :/
Dec 25 12:16:05 <dm8tbr> Xenland: ok, so it seems we've got an XY-problem here. you're not looking at how to hook up those connectors to the bone, you're really trying to figure out what is necessary to get a proper sound output set up etc
Dec 25 12:16:43 <Xenland> dm8tbr: Yes I that sounds like the issue
Dec 25 12:17:29 <Xenland> I might have asked wierd, i didn't want anyone to think i wanted them to do ALL the work
Dec 25 12:17:32 <dm8tbr> Xenland: have you checked the proper documentation yet?
Dec 25 12:18:24 <Xenland> dm8tbr: yeah i've been memorizing the beaglebone header pins as well as the datasheets i got with the audio connectors. I'm not quite sure how i program the beaglebone to talk with the audio connector thats the confusing part really....
Dec 25 12:19:03 <dm8tbr> Xenland: I don't have the beaglebone reference manual at hand, do you have a link by chance?
Dec 25 12:19:16 <Xenland> Sure do take a gander: http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/Docs/Hardware/BONE_SRM.pdf
Dec 25 12:19:46 <Xenland> dm8tbr: pin headers are in the page 52 area
Dec 25 12:19:59 <dm8tbr> thanks, let's take a look...
Dec 25 12:20:20 <Xenland> actually it starts at page 48 and down
Dec 25 12:20:26 <Xenland> awsome mate.
Dec 25 12:20:31 <Xenland> appreciate it
Dec 25 12:20:40 <aholler> quick answer, noaudio
Dec 25 12:21:17 <Xenland> aholler: I didn't even state if i needed audio in or audio out... how can you answer?
Dec 25 12:21:34 <aholler> my pdf-reader has a search function
Dec 25 12:21:42 <dm8tbr> mine too
Dec 25 12:21:47 * dm8tbr concurs
Dec 25 12:22:00 <Xenland> and you searched what?
Dec 25 12:22:08 <dm8tbr> 'audio' 'sound'
Dec 25 12:22:24 <dm8tbr> Xenland: are you refering to 'mcasp0_...'?
Dec 25 12:23:01 <Xenland> not at all.
Dec 25 12:23:14 <Xenland> You guys been a help - I'll just plug it in and see what happens
Dec 25 12:23:30 <dm8tbr> o.O
Dec 25 12:23:48 <dm8tbr> so what on page 52 makes you think of audio?
Dec 25 12:24:10 <Xenland> I was just trying to help you find the pin outs
Dec 25 12:24:16 <Xenland> so you could see if it was compatible
Dec 25 12:24:44 <aholler> there aren't any pins where you can connect that audio plug
Dec 25 12:25:02 <dm8tbr> I'm sorry, but I agree with aholler that there is no audio output you could _directly_ interface
Dec 25 12:25:03 <Xenland> Its just a signal
Dec 25 12:25:17 <Xenland> theres gotta be a way to attach an input audio barrel on there
Dec 25 12:25:44 <aholler> just a signal is good ;)
Dec 25 12:26:05 <dm8tbr> you would need to put an audio chip inbetween the pin-header and the jack connector
Dec 25 12:26:42 <dm8tbr> it's like you can't plug in an audio jack into the PCI port with some bare wires, you have to use a sound card
Dec 25 12:27:30 <Xenland> Well normally the sound card is for analouge to digital conversions. In which the case of the arudino is has anlogue pins in it that you can interface directly - figured maybe the beaglebone was similar
Dec 25 12:28:06 <Xenland> besides the conversion the sound card to my knowledge dosen't do much processing
Dec 25 12:28:07 <dm8tbr> the AM335x doesn't seem to have an DAC/ADC build in
Dec 25 12:28:22 <dm8tbr> yes and you're missing exactly that, the 'conversion'
Dec 25 12:28:41 <Xenland> okay so i need a DAC/ADC for any type of sound to work
Dec 25 12:28:43 <Xenland> got it
Dec 25 12:28:51 <dm8tbr> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73c/spruh73c.pdf
Dec 25 12:29:03 <dm8tbr> pages 4246 ff
Dec 25 12:31:29 <Xenland> thanx mate
Dec 25 12:32:05 <dm8tbr> if you wanted a ready to use audio interface on board the beagleXM is probably a better choice
Dec 25 12:32:44 <Xenland> Exactly. I want to get my hands dirty and learn about electronics
Dec 25 12:36:35 <Xenland> I would like to familiarize my self so i can start writing libraries and tutorials
Dec 25 12:36:53 <Xenland> any ways - big help - peace mate 
Dec 25 12:40:30 <dm8tbr> rather check mate ;)
Dec 25 13:34:15 <jacekowski> dm8tbr: well, low pass filter + a lot of code and you would probably plug in jack into pci port directly
Dec 25 13:35:18 <jacekowski> with pcie you could do it with just resistor ladder
Dec 25 13:35:30 <jacekowski> and a lot of code
Dec 25 13:35:45 <jacekowski> but on most pci-e bridges you can control pins directly
Dec 25 13:37:40 <jacekowski> on pci it may be bit more complicated because pci works on reflected wave 
Dec 25 13:49:04 <bb> after a new build of angstrom build, the start of the user space demons/processes takes too long
Dec 25 13:49:05 <bb>  any idea why?
Dec 25 13:49:05 <bb>  there are too many lines that something is configuring: Configuring kernel-module-ircomm
Dec 25 13:58:23 <dm8tbr> jacekowski: sure, but would you do it? :)
Dec 25 13:59:10 <dm8tbr> jacekowski: I guess you could generate some sort of sound output using GPIO too on the AM335x, but would you do it? :)
Dec 25 14:03:07 <jacekowski> people did it
Dec 25 14:03:15 <jacekowski> before sound cards
Dec 25 14:03:25 <jacekowski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covox_Speech_Thing
Dec 25 14:03:38 <dm8tbr> sure, but that was prolly ISA 8bit or 16bit
Dec 25 14:03:59 <dm8tbr> oh LPT even funnier
Dec 25 14:27:31 <branek> Hello, I need help to understand x-loader on Beagleboard xM, rev C... Where is stored? I read about MLO, but even if I remove SD card, x-loader is started and it goes to serial download mode. So, xM rev C does not have nand, so where is this x-loader stored?
Dec 25 14:29:08 <dm8tbr> are you sure that's not ROMBL?
Dec 25 14:31:03 <branek> Not, so that is why I asked... :) I am reading all this guieds, and everywhere is mentioned that MLO is x-loader, but it not make any change if i copy my MLO to SD card? So I am guessing that it has to be stores somewhere else .. ROM? What is procedure to change it there? Is it possible at all?
Dec 25 14:32:09 <dm8tbr> no, ROM BL is something different
Dec 25 14:32:21 <dm8tbr> and yes you want to put MLO on your sd-card
Dec 25 14:37:28 <branek> Ok, i downloaded  ULCD7 angstrom demo image, and when I write it to SD card, on boot (FAT) partition there is only u-boot.bin, uEnv.txt, and userEnv.txt which is empty. No MLO there? And image boot ok, LCD, touch screen is working. How is that explained, when there is no MLO on FAT partition?
Dec 25 14:38:12 <koen> dm8tbr: there's an ADC builtin to the SoC
Dec 25 14:50:22 <Crofton|work> koen, get away from the computer!
Dec 25 14:50:29 <Crofton|work> and Merry CHristmas everyone
Dec 25 14:57:57 <dm8tbr> koen: interesting, but not a dac? and why doesn't the manual mention audio or sound then?
Dec 25 15:01:00 <xxiao> branek: there is a small boot code built in to the TI chip, it will fetch a file named MLO from the header of the first FAT on the SD card
Dec 25 15:01:56 <xxiao> the MLO is loaded to on-chip memory, it initializes DDR etc and then loads u-boot, u-boot does more and loads kernel,etc
Dec 25 15:13:36 <branek> xxiao: Thanks. Please, what happend if there is no anything on MMC? Just inserted? I always got same x-loader prompt no matter if MMC is empty, different MLO or no MLO (just u-boot.bin) on FAT partition of MMC at all?
Dec 25 15:14:29 <xxiao> i don't know all TI chips, which one is talked here
Dec 25 15:15:12 <branek> it's DM37xx, one on beagleboard xM
Dec 25 15:15:47 <xxiao> are u using something like usbboot?
Dec 25 15:16:11 <branek> no... nothing...
Dec 25 15:20:13 <xxiao> on the ti8168 I used if I'm booting from mmc and there is no mlo, i got nothing on serial
Dec 25 15:20:21 <xxiao> let me have a quick look at 3730's RM
Dec 25 15:28:55 <branek> What I want is to understand what is stored where? I had same perception as you, small ti code loads MLO from FAT partition of MMC, than MLO loads u-boot.bin from same partition, and them u-boot loads uImage. And that is ok, except when I put empty MMC, I still get x-loader prompt, and than because there is no u-boot.bin, on console I get that board is ready to accept kermit protocol over serial? So question is, from where is loaded t
Dec 25 15:30:21 <xxiao> this is different from the chip i used, the only explanation I can come up with is that ROM is pushing chars to serial port
Dec 25 15:31:22 <xxiao> i just power on a xm without sd-card inserted and saw some wierd string from serial port,1152008N1 supposed to work, not sure why I am getting garbage
Dec 25 15:31:28 <xxiao> let me burn a xm SD card
Dec 25 15:32:08 <branek> without SD I also get just "60" ant that is all...
Dec 25 15:32:38 <aholler> thats from the rom
Dec 25 15:32:53 <xxiao> branek: yes i saw 60
Dec 25 15:33:09 <xxiao> aholler: i c, that's the only possibility i think
Dec 25 15:33:27 <xxiao> it's not hard for any piece of code to push some chars to serial port
Dec 25 15:33:31 <branek> ok, that is same.. and what you gat when you inserted SD card with nothing on FAT partition?
Dec 25 15:33:39 <aholler> the same
Dec 25 15:34:06 <branek> strange... I get x-loader prompt?!
Dec 25 15:34:18 <aholler> than you sd-card isn't empty
Dec 25 15:34:59 <xxiao> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/your-first-mmc-partition, then it will be empty
Dec 25 15:35:45 <branek> well you right.. it's empty when I look from 
Dec 25 15:36:04 <branek> file explorer... but binary, MLO is still there
Dec 25 15:36:21 <branek> let me try with dd?
Dec 25 15:36:43 <xxiao> make sure you don't dd to your hard drive :)
Dec 25 15:36:52 <branek> ;)
Dec 25 15:37:27 <branek> I am not complete noob, just noob on TI cpu... :)
Dec 25 15:38:44 <branek> thanks guys... you were right... now I gat same as you.. just 60 with MMC there... so... TI code loads MLO binary from first sector of MMC...
Dec 25 15:38:57 <branek> sorry for typos...
Dec 25 15:41:03 <koen> dm8tbr: it's a TSC2007 so you can use it for a touchscreen or as adc
Dec 25 15:41:07 <koen> dm8tbr: but no audio
Dec 25 15:41:25 <koen> Crofton|work: I'm at the inlaws waiting for the food
Dec 25 15:41:34 <dm8tbr> koen: ah, ok :)
Dec 25 15:41:53 <branek> xxiao: aholler: yes... finally got prompt from my MLO.. thanks guys.. :)
Dec 25 15:42:01 <aholler> maybe we should have him pointed to the pc-speaker-driver
Dec 25 15:42:28 <aholler> but that's definitely not audio ;)
Dec 25 15:43:55 <aholler> but might a solution for those arduino folks
Dec 25 15:44:15 <aholler> they usually don't know mor than how to connect a beeper ;)
Dec 25 15:44:31 <koen> there's PWM pins
Dec 25 15:45:13 <aholler> 1.8v?
Dec 25 15:45:40 <koen> ADC is 1.8, pwc 3.3
Dec 25 15:45:44 <koen> pwm*
Dec 25 15:50:24 <aholler> and the possible power might be to less to drive a beeper or even speaker directly. don't know from memory what they need
Dec 25 15:50:58 <Crofton|work> koen, who was dinner last night?
Dec 25 15:51:02 <Crofton|work> You were cooking?
Dec 25 15:52:39 <koen> I cooked yesterday
Dec 25 15:52:42 <koen> today inlaws
Dec 25 15:52:45 <koen> tomorrow my parents
Dec 25 15:52:52 <koen> day after that grandma
Dec 25 15:53:17 <koen> and the day after that it's my birthday and the restaurant will cook 
Dec 25 15:53:21 <aholler> hmm, grandma is in conflict with 28c3
Dec 25 15:53:40 <koen> Crofton|work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdMYnjB7Uj4
Dec 25 16:19:10 <Sohua> Hi everyone, i'm very thankfull if you can answer me the following question
Dec 25 16:20:22 <Sohua> approx. how much time is the latency of the node.js script?
Dec 25 16:21:38 <koen> loaded or unloaded?
Dec 25 16:22:16 <Sohua> i need to know if i can attach a microcontroller for analog tasks
Dec 25 16:22:52 <Sohua> and i can program the microcontroller for send to the bone the values by I2C
Dec 25 16:22:58 <Sohua> or spi
Dec 25 16:23:19 <Sohua> and trigger an control loop with a interrupt pin
Dec 25 16:23:25 <Sohua> or this is not posible?
Dec 25 16:24:42 <koen> it's software, anything is possible
Dec 25 16:25:47 <Sohua> but, how fast could it be?
Dec 25 16:26:53 <Sohua> frequency range.... few kHz or one or two hundred kHz?
Dec 25 16:34:27 <ynezz> Hm, measuring bandwith in kHz?
Dec 25 16:43:19 <dsoto> a christmas question
Dec 25 16:43:40 <dsoto> how can i keep a process started in an ssh session running after i logout?
Dec 25 16:43:54 <dsoto> i tried using screen on my beaglebone but the process quits on logout
Dec 25 17:25:34 <snowrichard> hello
Dec 25 17:30:14 <Crofton> I really wish 28c3 was not right after Christmas
Dec 25 17:31:23 * Crofton is looking for the Queen's speech on youtube
Dec 25 18:00:59 <ngurus> Is there any type of simulators, where I can work before buying a beagle board? Anyone?
Dec 25 18:08:43 <Crofton|work> qemu?
Dec 25 18:12:10 <ngurus> Is qemu a simulator? 
Dec 25 18:12:28 <ka6sox-away> emulator
Dec 25 18:12:40 <ka6sox-away> with a console
Dec 25 18:13:04 <ngurus> Thanks!
Dec 25 18:13:23 <ngurus> I assume that you can only run it in a Linux distro, right?
Dec 25 19:28:09 <_av500_> ngurus: no simulator
Dec 25 19:28:48 <_av500_> but any linux pc is an as good simulator
Dec 25 21:31:20 <tlab> is just me or is the server the angstrom beaglebone img is on is slow as all out can be?
Dec 25 22:28:19 <dsoto> has anyone gotten git working on a beaglebone with dropbear ssh?
Dec 25 22:29:21 <dsoto> i'm getting 'No auth methods could be used." when trying ssh -T git@github.com
Dec 25 22:29:31 <dsoto> i have ssh keys copied to my .ssh directory
Dec 25 22:31:32 <dsoto> hmmm.... i tried to install openssh and it failed due to dropbear conflict
Dec 25 22:31:58 <dsoto> but now ssh seems to work
Dec 26 01:44:52 <johngalt> Just got a bone for christmas.  Where can I find info about making the hardware do simple stuff like toggle an io pin, communicate over serial or i2c, or blink one or more of the user led's on command?
Dec 26 01:52:14 <snowrichard> i just watched "Atlas Shrugged" recently
Dec 26 01:53:35 <johngalt> yes there is a semi pun in this nick
Dec 26 01:54:24 <snowrichard> i have a beagle board on order, might be here this week, but its not the bone
Dec 26 01:59:18 <johngalt> I didn't really need the extra stuff that the xm offered and the bone is easy to connect and interface to.  be interesting to see what capes cost.
Dec 26 02:05:29 <johngalt> A dvi/vga/svideo cape could be really nice at times though.
Dec 26 02:06:33 <snowrichard> i saw a vga one somewhere can't remember the link now
Dec 26 02:08:15 <snowrichard> there was also one with AVR chip on it and a prototyping area
Dec 26 02:33:26 <johngalt> a bunch seem to be in development but nothing yet
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Dec 26 03:09:50 <johngalt> anyone know how to get a simple usb serial port working on the bone?
Dec 26 03:49:23 <dsoto> johngalt: in our out?
Dec 26 04:02:12 <johngalt> dsoto: sorry, my net connection has been bouncing tonight...
Dec 26 04:02:38 <johngalt> not on the best wifi
Dec 26 04:41:48 <dsoto> johngalt: today i was logging into a beaglebone via the mini-usb and controlling a GPRS modem via the USB port
Dec 26 04:46:54 <johngalt> dsoto: nice, that's actually one of the things I'll likely connect to mine.  get a nice lcd touchscreen cape and you've got a nice cell phone
Dec 26 04:46:55 <johngalt> I was using usb as well. but couldn't seem to get usb serial to ennumerate on the dev host.  it set up as an ethernet gadget though
Dec 26 04:48:30 <dsoto> i saw some posts on doing a manual modprobe
Dec 26 04:49:01 <dsoto> i'm on os x and downloaded the ftdi driver from the beagleboard website to get it to show up.
Dec 26 04:49:36 <johngalt> yea, the module is loaded but the ports don't seem to show.  using debian.  generally linux just works
Dec 26 04:50:26 <johngalt> serial console would be nice though.  just seems simplest
Dec 26 04:50:27 <dsoto> i was able to see mine on ubuntu but now i can't remember if i used modprobe
Dec 26 04:50:47 <dsoto> actually, i think i did
Dec 26 04:52:07 <johngalt> really though I'm wanting to figure out how to do something interesting like speak i2c or even toggle the user led's on the board
Dec 26 07:26:35 <vasiliyk> Hello. Is this channel for BeagleBone too ?
Dec 26 07:26:51 <ka6sox-away> yes
Dec 26 07:27:09 <vasiliyk> great. thank you
Dec 26 09:19:34 <jmo_> Hi everybody
Dec 26 09:20:05 <jmo_> I was wonderin' if anybdy  had success startin' android on bbxM
Dec 26 09:22:06 <jmo_> hello 
Dec 26 09:22:11 <jmo_> any buddy there
Dec 26 09:25:11 <dm8tbr> look at rowboat or 0xdroid
Dec 26 10:09:29 <momo___> hi i'm running armstrong on beagleboard . Using apt-get gives command not found error. there no software sourc like synaptic.What should I do.Help is appreciated
Dec 26 10:11:12 <aholler_> opkg
Dec 26 10:11:34 <momo___> what opkg
Dec 26 10:12:05 <aholler> opkg install foo
Dec 26 10:13:04 <momo___> ok running that now.
Dec 26 10:13:15 <aholler> angstrom isn't neither debian nor ubuntu
Dec 26 10:13:16 <momo___> Says unkown package 'foo'
Dec 26 10:13:45 <momo___> So armstrong uses whose kernel
Dec 26 10:14:24 <knotty> linux
Dec 26 10:14:54 <momo___> ok it says cannot install package foo.
Dec 26 10:18:35 <aholler> maybe it's missing bar
Dec 26 10:21:32 <momo___> what is bar?
Dec 26 10:24:49 <momo___> after opkg commmand it saysopkg _install_cmd
Dec 26 10:25:11 <momo___> after opkg commmand it saysopkg _install_cmd: cannot install package foo
Dec 26 10:26:13 <knotty> ok, "foo" was an exemple
Dec 26 10:26:32 <momo___> so what should i do now?
Dec 26 10:27:11 <knotty> learn how to use opkg
Dec 26 10:30:00 <jmo_> I ve compiled the rowboat config eclair
Dec 26 10:30:07 <jmo_> the android is well installed 
Dec 26 10:30:23 <jmo_> But there is some pb 
Dec 26 10:30:43 <jmo_> I restarted the board I got the pretty screen of android
Dec 26 10:30:49 <jmo_> but it hangs up
Dec 26 10:31:18 <jmo_> I dont know 
Dec 26 10:31:38 <jmo_> but I ve put another patched uboot to get 24bits color
Dec 26 10:32:01 <jmo_> this is the only difference from the official trunk 
Dec 26 12:26:09 <armin76> koen: you don't manage http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone , right?
Dec 26 12:34:06 <mru> armin76: you're probably looking for jkridner 
Dec 26 12:34:18 <armin76> mru: nod, thanks
Dec 26 14:31:38 <leslie> Hi I failed running this command on beagle xm with dvsdk 4.01: gst-launch-0.10 videotestsrc ! TIDmaiVideoSink videoStd=720P_60 videoOutput=AUTO numBufs=5
Dec 26 14:34:44 <leslie> but matrix_guiE demo works ok on video decoding and show on dvi...
Dec 26 14:56:11 <koen> leslie: ask you TI rep, we don't support dvsdk in #beagle
Dec 26 14:56:39 <leslie> koen: oh, ok, thanks your reply
Dec 26 14:57:42 <aholler> support wars
Dec 26 15:05:48 <aholler> only armstrong is supported ;)
Dec 26 15:06:09 <leslie> hehe
Dec 26 15:08:02 <aholler> because strong arms are needed ;)
Dec 26 15:46:38 <Beginner> Hello
Dec 26 15:47:04 <Beginner> I just received my Beagleboard xM for christmas
Dec 26 15:54:51 <dsoto> Beginner: what's next?
Dec 26 15:55:30 <Viktator> getting flamed? :D
Dec 26 15:59:29 <vasiliyk> Hello. Anyone got a stable android on BeagleBone ? Mine keeps freezing every boot after few minutes in VNC. I can not even unlock the "lock" icon. Tried 1 image made by fosaio guy
Dec 26 16:01:01 <vasiliyk> Other images like Angstrom and Arago run fine. So it is not bad quality of hardware or SDCard or power or heat
Dec 26 16:02:23 <Anduck> soo uhh
Dec 26 16:02:28 <Anduck> when do beaglebones ship?
Dec 26 16:02:41 <Anduck> last time they said 9th in january
Dec 26 16:02:44 <Anduck> now it's 31th
Dec 26 16:02:47 <vasiliyk> They are available since November everywhere
Dec 26 16:02:53 <vasiliyk> in USA
Dec 26 16:04:01 <dsoto> Anduck: check the http://beagleboard.org/buy page, there are a few suppliers there with USA stock
Dec 26 16:04:34 <Anduck> umm ok ty
Dec 26 16:25:06 <Beginner> I was heartbroken
Dec 26 16:25:39 <Beginner> I had to pay 40€ towards customs charges
Dec 26 16:30:21 <dsoto> johngalt: did you get USB working on your beaglebone?
Dec 26 16:39:21 <momo___> how to install corkscrew in beagkeboard running angstrom
Dec 26 16:42:18 <momo___> hello
Dec 26 16:48:49 <momo___> corkscrew installation angstrom
Dec 26 18:10:49 <knotty> do the DM3730 enhancements are enable in the beagleboard-xM?
Dec 26 18:22:39 <Beginner> will a 5V 2.5A adapter work on my beagleboard xm?
Dec 26 18:23:33 <dsoto> Beginner: yes, if it is the right physical size
Dec 26 18:40:15 <Beginner> can i used HDMI to boot from the beagleboard instead of DB9?
Dec 26 19:12:35 <johngalt> dsoto: usb ethernet yes, usb serial not yet.  just got up - lazy day after christmas.
Dec 26 19:18:03 <vasiliyk> wow. Just finished pckg upgrade command on BeagleBone with Angstrom. It took about 3 hours
Dec 26 19:20:22 <_av500_> Beginner: you dont need either to boot
Dec 26 19:43:24 <vasiliyk> Anyone knows if there is ftp daemon included in angstrom ?
Dec 26 19:48:57 <nascentmind> hi. I have installed ubuntu arm server image on my beagle board xm. I am not able to get my networking up. I am not able to see usb0 or eth0. How can I fix this?
Dec 26 19:52:12 <nascentmind> anybody?
Dec 26 19:52:59 <vasiliyk> nascentmind: I am noob. But do you see /dev/eth0 ?
Dec 26 19:53:15 <nascentmind> no.
Dec 26 19:53:34 <nascentmind> it should not show ethernet as a device file.
Dec 26 19:55:01 <vasiliyk> Oh right. Just looked at some /dev true. It is no shown. Can you run ifconfig eth0 up ?
Dec 26 19:59:07 <nascentmind> vasiliyk, does not work.
Dec 26 20:17:01 <vasiliyk> Yay! I have Cloud9 running on my beaglebone!
Dec 27 02:55:06 <Beginner> how do i run the DSP module on the BB xm ?
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Dec 27 13:22:56 <ytsolov> hello
Dec 27 13:23:08 <ytsolov> can I ask someone for a little help
Dec 27 13:23:31 <ytsolov> with mounting a nfs with beagleboard 3530
Dec 27 13:23:33 <ytsolov> ?
Dec 27 13:34:33 <mru> just ask
Dec 27 13:34:54 <ytsolov> ok thanks
Dec 27 13:35:41 <ytsolov> I want to mount rootfs over nfs server that is hosting ubuntu 10.04
Dec 27 13:36:11 <ytsolov> I'm using USB to ethernet cable
Dec 27 13:36:14 <ytsolov> to do that
Dec 27 13:37:24 <ytsolov> I compiled my kernel 2.6.32.51 with CONFIG_USB_USBNET=y CONFIG_USB_NET_AX8817X CONFIG_USB_ETH=y CONFIG_USB_PEGASUS=y
Dec 27 13:38:12 <ytsolov> and when I connect the host server with the board and enter these command line args for the kernel:
Dec 27 13:38:28 <ytsolov> Kernel command line: root=/dev/nfs console=ttyS2,115200n8 ip=192.168.0.100 nfsroot=192.168.0.1:/nfsroot debug
Dec 27 13:38:49 <ytsolov> it can't connect
Dec 27 13:38:55 <ytsolov> it says:
Dec 27 13:39:22 <ytsolov> IP-Config: Complete:      device=usb0, addr=192.168.0.100, mask=255.255.255.0, gw=255.255.255.255,      host=192.168.0.100, domain=, nis-domain=(none),      bootserver=255.255.255.255, rootserver=192.168.0.1, rootpath= Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on 192.168.0.1 rpcbind: server 192.168.0.1 not responding, timed out Root-NFS: Unable to get nfsd port number from server, using default Looking up port of RPC 100005/1 on 192.168.0.1 rpcb
Dec 27 13:40:01 <av500> ytsolov: can you make nfs work if you boot from SD?
Dec 27 13:40:02 <ytsolov> my etc/exports on the ubuntu host is:
Dec 27 13:40:28 <av500> and your host is .0.1?
Dec 27 13:40:28 <reisei> ytsolov: did you reload your nfs-server?
Dec 27 13:40:40 <ytsolov> yes my host is 192.168.0.1
Dec 27 13:41:05 <ytsolov> well to boot them from the mmc card I have to compile nfs-utils for mount.nfs
Dec 27 13:41:16 <ytsolov> that's what I read in xconfig
Dec 27 13:41:20 <ytsolov> but I didn't do that
Dec 27 13:41:39 <ytsolov> because there are dependecies for libwrap which is from another packet
Dec 27 13:41:54 <ytsolov> yes I reloaded the server
Dec 27 13:42:22 <ytsolov> sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
Dec 27 13:42:49 <ytsolov> I'm wondering whether I have the correct drivers
Dec 27 13:42:57 <ytsolov> for my kernel on the beagle
Dec 27 13:43:13 <av500> thus boot from the sdcard and make sure that networking is OK
Dec 27 13:43:20 <av500> then move over to nfs
Dec 27 13:43:22 <ytsolov> because with when I connect this cable with both ends for my host it starts blinking
Dec 27 13:43:32 <ytsolov> but when I do that with my board it doesn't
Dec 27 13:44:45 <ytsolov> I tried pinging from the when I boot from the card
Dec 27 13:44:53 <ytsolov> but no sucess
Dec 27 13:46:08 <ytsolov> I don't know what else to do to test the network av500
Dec 27 13:46:21 <ytsolov> I gave them an ip
Dec 27 13:46:26 <ytsolov> and tried to ping them
Dec 27 13:46:49 <av500> what are you running? angstrom?
Dec 27 13:46:57 <ytsolov> yes
Dec 27 13:47:41 <ytsolov> could it be something with the network cards
Dec 27 13:47:47 <ytsolov> on my host I have two cars
Dec 27 13:48:10 <ytsolov> and if I connect the eth end to the first it blinks
Dec 27 13:48:19 <ytsolov> if I connect to the second it doesn't
Dec 27 13:48:44 <ytsolov> but both cards work with the company I work at network
Dec 27 13:51:16 <ytsolov> do you have anyother ideas ?
Dec 27 13:52:28 <woglinde> no
Dec 27 13:59:40 <ytsolov> i guess not
Dec 27 13:59:54 <ytsolov> ok thanks for your help
Dec 27 14:00:07 <ytsolov> and bye
Dec 27 14:13:30 <koen> jkridner_: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/6563461589/in/photostream
Dec 27 14:16:45 <av500> koen: is there a "generate 3rd year project source code" button?
Dec 27 14:19:35 <koen> not yet
Dec 27 14:30:10 <av500> koen: you saw they guys that want to cram bone into pcmcia?
Dec 27 14:33:15 <jkridner> how is it that people are ripping off the USB mini connector?  I mean, I can understand wanting a full-size A socket or a micro A socket, but ripping it off?  really?
Dec 27 14:33:24 <jkridner> it is on there pretty good.
Dec 27 14:33:44 <av500> not good enough it seems
Dec 27 14:34:11 <jkridner> do enough people still have computers with PCMCIA?
Dec 27 14:34:46 <av500> no
Dec 27 14:34:52 <av500> its not about pcmcia as the bus
Dec 27 14:34:58 <av500> its about using the form factor
Dec 27 14:35:11 <av500> seems pcmcia plugs and sockets are cheap in china
Dec 27 14:35:31 <av500> seems a cheap way to get 68 pins
Dec 27 14:37:22 <av500> jkridner: http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/PCMCIA
Dec 27 14:39:08 <jkridner> I don't know if the comments about being around for 10 years and on virtually all mass-produced powerful embedded CPUs applies to SATA-II.
Dec 27 14:39:20 <jkridner> I think you are pretty safe with the others.
Dec 27 14:39:33 <jkridner> I think SATA-II was added more for utility than pervasiveness.
Dec 27 14:39:48 <jkridner> ah, it admits as much if I read on.
Dec 27 14:43:26 * jkridner becomes interested enough to sign up for the mailing list.
Dec 27 14:44:17 <av500> jkridner: I am looking forwared for your trolling :)
Dec 27 14:44:21 <av500> -e
Dec 27 15:06:57 <koen> jkridner_: schmux running?
Dec 27 15:30:02 <sakoman__> koen: does psplash work with systemd images?
Dec 27 15:30:14 <koen> sakoman__: no
Dec 27 15:30:31 <sakoman__> koen: OK, good.  not "just me" :-)
Dec 27 15:30:33 <av500> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/110563-intel-medfield-32nm-atom-soc-power-consumption-specs-and-benchmarks-leak
Dec 27 15:31:04 <sakoman__> koen: do you know what the issue is?
Dec 27 15:40:38 * mranostay yawns
Dec 27 15:49:23 <beginner> where can i download codecomposer studio?
Dec 27 15:51:24 <av500> the internet?
Dec 27 15:52:07 <av500> for me its the 1st hit when googling for it
Dec 27 15:53:26 <beginner> i am looking for the crack version
Dec 27 15:53:42 <av500> lol
Dec 27 15:54:02 <av500> we don't do drugs here
Dec 27 15:54:12 <muriani> crack kills, man
Dec 27 15:54:31 <beginner> i meant pirated
Dec 27 15:54:49 <woglinde> lol
Dec 27 15:55:25 <woglinde> nice try
Dec 27 15:55:35 <woglinde> go back to your pro's
Dec 27 15:55:38 <beginner> this aint helping
Dec 27 15:55:46 <av500> http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/keira-knightley-pirates.jpg
Dec 27 15:56:18 <av500> beginner: would you please be so kind to post your credit card number here?
Dec 27 15:56:24 <muriani> beginner: you expected us to assist in the procurement of pirated material?
Dec 27 15:56:38 <av500> muriani: isnt that what the internet is for?
Dec 27 15:57:00 <muriani> av500: I mean, for all we know he's a feeb!
Dec 27 15:57:23 <beginner> i am a strugling student
Dec 27 15:57:29 <woglinde> oh my god
Dec 27 15:57:43 <woglinde> student and pirate
Dec 27 15:57:50 <woglinde> you wont get a sane job
Dec 27 15:58:35 <av500> beginner: yes, and? you steal textbooks too?
Dec 27 15:58:48 <muriani> beginner: Sorry, you're not gonna find help with illegally acquiring software here.
Dec 27 15:58:55 <muriani> av500: he probably would if he could.
Dec 27 15:59:29 <muriani> but then I probably would too.
Dec 27 15:59:33 <beginner> ok have u guys tried using the DSP module
Dec 27 15:59:48 <muriani> I just wouldn't go around asking folks for bookz
Dec 27 16:00:06 <av500> beginner: sure
Dec 27 16:00:13 <av500> dsp works fine
Dec 27 16:01:14 <woglinde> dsp works without ccs
Dec 27 16:01:15 <av500> even without CCS
Dec 27 16:01:20 <woglinde> *g*
Dec 27 16:01:48 <nick5000> Hi.... anybody here? :D
Dec 27 16:02:16 <nick5000> I have a (probably) quite easy question...
Dec 27 16:02:30 <beginner> can u give me the link on how to get the DSP module running
Dec 27 16:02:44 <beginner> a tutorial or something
Dec 27 16:02:50 <nick5000> me? no, sorry.
Dec 27 16:02:52 <woglinde> beginner ask your mentor how to research stuff
Dec 27 16:03:38 <av500> beginner: use angstrom, it comes with all the bits and pieces needed
Dec 27 16:03:39 <woglinde> beginner why did you take a course you dont have any clue about
Dec 27 16:03:42 <av500> look into dsplink examples
Dec 27 16:03:50 <av500> look into codec engine examples
Dec 27 16:04:07 <av500> look into c6run, c6accel and the other c6 stuff
Dec 27 16:04:16 <av500> use google
Dec 27 16:04:17 <nick5000> I got a beagle bone and am using osx10.6. hence, i cannot use ethernet over usb. so i used the rj45 connection. however, my router does not have a dhcp log and I am unable to figure out which IP the litte thing got :( any ideas?
Dec 27 16:04:25 <beginner> av500 thankyou
Dec 27 16:04:36 <av500> even the "free" version of google works fine
Dec 27 16:04:38 <jkridner> beginner: http://elinux.org/ECE497_Lab13_Using_the_DSP_via_c6run
Dec 27 16:04:48 <muriani> nick5000: nmap!
Dec 27 16:04:49 <woglinde> nick5000 edit the sdcard and set your self a ip
Dec 27 16:04:54 <av500> jkridner: that link has the hack?
Dec 27 16:05:02 <jkridner> of course, that is no substitute for learning to google.
Dec 27 16:05:04 <jkridner> hack?
Dec 27 16:05:11 * jkridner acts as random URL server.
Dec 27 16:05:14 <woglinde> he wants to hack ccs
Dec 27 16:05:14 <nick5000> muriani, nmap would be possible, but could take quite some time... hm?
Dec 27 16:05:17 <av500> nick5000: there are only ~250 ips to try :)=
Dec 27 16:05:29 <nick5000> knew it :( av500
Dec 27 16:05:38 <av500> jkridner: hack for ccs of course :)
Dec 27 16:05:51 <beginner> just what i needed
Dec 27 16:06:09 <nick5000> woglinde: where on the sdcard is it? the beginners guide says in the info.txt, but I could not find it there and I guess it got the address via DHCP
Dec 27 16:06:10 <av500> beginner: we still want your CC number! :)
Dec 27 16:06:37 <woglinde> nick500 hm I think koen used conman for the bone
Dec 27 16:06:45 <woglinde> so you need to edit conman configfiles
Dec 27 16:06:59 <beginner> what do u want it for?
Dec 27 16:07:47 <muriani> to buy more kit, of course!
Dec 27 16:07:50 <nick5000> woglinde: ouch. so that means I will have to get into conman before I can even do some beaglebone 101 :(
Dec 27 16:08:02 <woglinde> jkridner is there a class for opencv now too?
Dec 27 16:10:25 <beginner> i think i found the hack for ccs
Dec 27 16:10:53 <beginner> linux version
Dec 27 16:14:00 <beginner> anybody working with android here?
Dec 27 16:14:51 <av500> sure
Dec 27 16:16:20 <woglinde> lol
Dec 27 16:16:26 <woglinde> av500 thats was good
Dec 27 16:16:45 <koen> nick5000: ssh beaglebone.local. if you're on a mac
Dec 27 16:17:21 <koen> nick5000: and ethernet over usb works fine in 10.6
Dec 27 16:20:17 <nick5000> koen that works? cool! ethernet over usb does NOT work with the driver that is mentioned in the doc. there is a HUGE warning on top that the driver must not be used on 10.6!!
Dec 27 16:20:38 <nick5000> maybe it is even *HUGE* hehe
Dec 27 16:21:17 <koen> I was using the ajzaurus driver on 10.6
Dec 27 16:21:21 <nick5000> beaglebone.local did the job. yay! (nmap is still searching)
Dec 27 16:21:52 <nick5000> koen: phew, don't remember the name of the driver. I'll google for ajzaurus 
Dec 27 16:22:47 <koen> I've been using ethernet over usb on osx since 2004 :)
Dec 27 16:23:46 <nick5000> ethernet over usb would be cool because in my small apartment i do not have any router/dhcp server etc.
Dec 27 16:25:04 <nick5000> ajzaurus <-- is the spelling correct? google does find some pages with questions, but no official page as far as I can see :(
Dec 27 16:26:27 * koen is reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Mac_OS_X
Dec 27 16:26:38 <koen> apparently no driver is needed
Dec 27 16:27:07 <koen> which makes sense, since I didn't install anything yet on this macbook and tbe bone works :)
Dec 27 16:27:22 <nick5000> umm... so if you plug it into the usb port there should be a new adapter? not for me :(
Dec 27 16:27:33 <koen> jkridner: does the order of the pins in the expansion eeprom make sense to you?
Dec 27 16:27:50 <nick5000> the one suggested in the getting started doc is called USBCDC-G_ether driver btw.
Dec 27 16:27:53 <jkridner> order of the pins?
Dec 27 16:27:55 <koen> nick5000: I plug it in and eject the mass storage device
Dec 27 16:27:57 <jkridner> on what?
Dec 27 16:28:11 <nick5000> koen: let's see :)
Dec 27 16:28:14 <koen> jkridner: srm page 64
Dec 27 16:28:26 <koen> ehm, 63
Dec 27 16:29:32 <nick5000> umm... and then? just open beaglebone.local in the browser?
Dec 27 16:29:52 <koen> yes
Dec 27 16:29:59 <koen> that should work without ethernet plugged in
Dec 27 16:30:11 <nick5000> ok, that would be fairly easy (but the manual should be changed!)
Dec 27 16:30:18 <koen> you can check in network setting to see if an extra device is there
Dec 27 16:30:20 <nick5000> lets see
Dec 27 16:30:27 <nick5000> no extra device :(
Dec 27 16:32:26 <jkridner> no, it doesn't really make sense to me, but I guess it is what it is.
Dec 27 16:32:35 <jkridner> do you see any errors?
Dec 27 16:32:45 <koen> jkridner: haven't looked closely yet
Dec 27 16:32:56 <koen> jkridner: since I can't figure out how to reflash my DVI eeprom
Dec 27 16:33:36 <koen> jkridner: anyway, I redid my bonescript branches
Dec 27 16:33:42 <nick5000> yay. unplugging/replugging crashed finder somehow.
Dec 27 16:34:59 <nick5000> maybe because i installed the driver mentioned in the getting started guide. there seems to be no way to remove it. running the installer again does not give an uninstall option :(
Dec 27 16:36:31 <nick5000> but that you for the beaglebone.local tip anyway. that will keep me busy for a few days at least :)
Dec 27 16:45:06 <nick5000> bye @ all, thanks for your help
Dec 27 16:47:46 <jkridner> koen: you need to pull the WP up, not ground it.
Dec 27 16:48:12 <koen> ah, so it's !WP
Dec 27 16:48:21 <koen> so it was writable
Dec 27 16:48:34 <koen> I guess that means I'm too stupid to make i2cset work
Dec 27 16:49:57 * jkridner doesn't seem to have a kernel with the i2c device.
Dec 27 16:50:15 * jkridner is using default A3 kernel (2011-11-16)
Dec 27 16:50:48 <jkridner> I think it would be nice if that image was still on the demo page in case someone wants to get back to factory default.  It should still be on the mirror.
Dec 27 16:51:30 * koen looks at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Dec 27 16:51:34 <jkridner> I'm getting nothing but device or resource busy errors.
Dec 27 16:51:38 <koen> Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone-2011.11.16.img.gz 
Dec 27 16:51:40 <koen> is there
Dec 27 16:51:48 <jkridner> ah, so it is....
Dec 27 16:51:56 <jkridner> seems like it wasn't there a few days ago.
Dec 27 16:51:59 <koen> jkridner: bone eeprom on bus 1 is claimed by the eeprom driver
Dec 27 16:57:47 <koen> jkridner: i2cdetect will report it as 'UU" if it's claimed
Dec 27 17:03:46 <viewsonic> hallo
Dec 27 17:04:45 <av500> welt
Dec 27 17:05:13 <viewsonic> need help: "how to install windows EC7"
Dec 27 17:07:07 <viewsonic> Can someone help me please??
Dec 27 17:21:46 <jkridner> koen: what is the right way to get i2c-2 or i2c-3 to show up?
Dec 27 17:29:39 <armin76> jkridner: some files on http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html are broken
Dec 27 17:29:52 <armin76> jkridner: i'm unable to download the modules tarball, for example
Dec 27 17:30:08 <jkridner> k.  seems like it hasn't updated in a while...
Dec 27 17:30:13 * jkridner checks the cronjob.
Dec 27 17:31:39 <koen> jkridner: use a recent kernel
Dec 27 17:33:38 <jkridner> opkg update; opkg install kernel kernel-modules; cp /boot/uImage /mnt    ?
Dec 27 17:34:02 <koen> kernel-image
Dec 27 17:34:08 <jkridner> ah.
Dec 27 17:34:10 <koen> jkridner: it *is* a WP, not a !WP
Dec 27 17:34:18 <koen> jkridner: lifting the pin makes it work
Dec 27 17:34:34 <jkridner> hmmm... SRM has text that disconnecting would put it in WP mode.
Dec 27 17:34:52 <armin76> on the beaglebone i've noticed that the usb port only works the first time, if you replug anything it will stop working
Dec 27 17:34:59 <koen> jkridner: http://pastebin.com/QRznavD3
Dec 27 17:35:17 <armin76> on the demo image it doesn't happen, but it happens if i boot it with init=/bin/bash
Dec 27 17:35:19 <armin76> hows that?
Dec 27 17:35:53 <koen> armin76: the driver is broken, angstrom has a special workaround for it
Dec 27 17:36:07 <jkridner> armin76: there's a bug in the kernel that requires some hackery to get it to recognize new devices.
Dec 27 17:36:14 <koen> jkridner: I now have a /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/at24/3-0057/eeprom I can read/write to
Dec 27 17:36:28 <armin76> koen: where is the special workaround? :)
Dec 27 17:36:32 <armin76> i'd like to steal it :P
Dec 27 17:36:38 <jkridner> koen: write works now then?
Dec 27 17:36:47 <koen> armin76: it took me >3 weeks to explain to the driver guys that "plugging in a device" should work
Dec 27 17:37:11 <koen> armin76: I got too fed up with them to embark on a quest to explain that replugging should work as well
Dec 27 17:37:18 <armin76> :D
Dec 27 17:37:19 <jkridner> koen: kernel-image isn't a known package.
Dec 27 17:37:27 <koen> armin76: and I am not kidding
Dec 27 17:37:49 <koen> jkridner: kernel-image-3.1.0+ 
Dec 27 17:37:54 <armin76> koen: yeah well, some people lack open minds :)
Dec 27 17:38:10 <jkridner> opkg install kernel seemed to pull the right one.  is that bad for some reason?
Dec 27 17:38:12 <koen> armin76: it's a udev rule
Dec 27 17:38:20 <koen> jkridner: no
Dec 27 17:38:39 <jkridner> ah, it is bad in that it pulled an old kernel....
Dec 27 17:38:46 <jkridner> it pulled r2a, I think.
Dec 27 17:38:48 <armin76> koen: any special name for the rule?
Dec 27 17:38:56 <jkridner> very confusing to know what package to pull.
Dec 27 17:39:08 <koen> armin76: hokey-pokey
Dec 27 17:39:17 <armin76> koen: nod, thanks :)
Dec 27 17:40:03 <koen> it's in /etc/udev/rules.d
Dec 27 17:40:30 <jkridner> koen: I usually rely on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/, but it doesn't show up there.
Dec 27 17:43:18 * koen plays around with /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/at24/3-0057/eeprom
Dec 27 17:43:31 <koen> prpplague: thanks for showing me that driver!
Dec 27 17:44:19 * av500 proclaims 2012 to be the year of I2C....
Dec 27 17:44:29 <prpplague> i second that
Dec 27 17:44:42 <av500> let's keep SPI for 2020
Dec 27 17:45:05 <prpplague> koen: hehe, i am trying to recall which driver i showed you.....
Dec 27 17:45:18 <av500> prpplague: the one that jumped the toll booth
Dec 27 17:45:28 <prpplague> av500: ahh good driver
Dec 27 17:45:40 <av500> kinda one shot though
Dec 27 17:45:57 <prpplague> av500: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_O-czGj-Nq8/TqnsfAD8CqI/AAAAAAAAK6Q/n0w-uxzZi0s/s500/tumblr_ltor17NedB1r3caoco1_500.jpg
Dec 27 17:46:10 <av500> gareat!
Dec 27 17:48:09 <koen> prpplague: at24c
Dec 27 17:48:21 <prpplague> koen: ahh dandy
Dec 27 17:50:36 * prpplague is going to have to turn on some heat.... way too cold....
Dec 27 17:51:24 <woglinde_> sauna!
Dec 27 17:52:24 <dm8tbr> mhhh, good point, I might still make it home for the last sauna turn
Dec 27 17:53:03 <koen> jkridner: any suggestions for a js representation of the eeprom data?
Dec 27 17:53:21 <koen> jkridner: the interwebs suggest not doing it at all :)
Dec 27 17:53:23 <jkridner> I think it is fairly straight-forward.
Dec 27 17:53:26 <jkridner> oh?
Dec 27 17:53:34 <jkridner> where is that?
Dec 27 17:53:58 <koen> I search for binary array
Dec 27 17:54:03 <koen> searched*
Dec 27 17:54:19 * koen wtfs at the pinmux portion of geralds spec
Dec 27 17:54:41 <koen> it uses 8 bits for the 0-7 modes
Dec 27 17:54:51 <koen> and it's not byte aligned :(
Dec 27 18:11:06 <prpplague> koen: doh
Dec 27 18:11:39 * koen is tempted to use the utf16 javascript hack for this
Dec 27 18:34:56 <DSP__> i am having difficulties with running the dsp module
Dec 27 18:36:49 <av500> explain
Dec 27 18:37:43 <prpplague> av500: http://www.fastcompany.com/1801711/cand-you-learn-to-code-in-one-day-we-sent-a-non-nerd-to-find-out?partner=best_of_newsletter
Dec 27 18:41:39 <av500> prpplague: congrats
Dec 27 18:41:59 <av500> prpplague: I will watch the app stores closely for your app
Dec 27 18:42:53 <DSP__> av500: can u give me remote help
Dec 27 18:43:10 <av500> or you send a plane ticket
Dec 27 18:43:13 <av500> whereto?
Dec 27 18:43:28 <DSP__> tomy computer
Dec 27 18:43:35 <DSP__> teamviewer
Dec 27 18:43:59 * av500 prefers irc
Dec 27 18:44:35 <prpplague> av500: hehe
Dec 27 18:45:20 <DSP__> av500: what exactly do u do in DSP?
Dec 27 18:45:28 <prpplague> HA
Dec 27 18:45:39 <av500> mostly decode video
Dec 27 18:45:41 <DSP__> I am working on loop optimisation
Dec 27 18:49:18 <av500> DSP__: 1) ask here
Dec 27 18:49:22 <av500> 2) I need to go home
Dec 27 18:49:30 <av500> 3) still, ask herer
Dec 27 18:51:55 <DSP__> Je suis à la recherche d'un tutorial pour demarer mon mudule DSP
Dec 27 18:52:26 <av500> 4) ask in english
Dec 27 18:53:10 <DSP__> I need a step by step guide on how to run the DSP module
Dec 27 18:53:27 <woglinde_> lol
Dec 27 18:54:10 <woglinde_> -> http://elinux.org/ECE497_Lab13_Using_the_DSP_via_c6run
Dec 27 18:55:07 <DSP__>  This has been modified to add detail (4/27/2011) for the ECE4356 class.
Dec 27 19:00:32 <DSP__> can you make a video and put it on youtube
Dec 27 19:02:24 <woglinde_> I never uploaded a video to youtube yet
Dec 27 19:02:28 <woglinde_> why should I
Dec 27 19:02:55 <dm8tbr> the codes! the codes want to be seen!
Dec 27 19:03:57 <DSP__> dm8tbr has a point
Dec 27 19:04:40 <dm8tbr> yes, a pointy hat!
Dec 27 19:05:17 <DSP__> TMS320C64x/C64x+ DSP       
Dec 27 19:05:34 <woglinde_> and?
Dec 27 19:05:48 <woglinde_> what has the dsp in common with youtube?
Dec 27 19:06:58 <jkridner> koen: I was going to parse out the fields and store it that way, not as a binary structure.
Dec 27 19:07:13 * jkridner doesn't love the current format.
Dec 27 19:07:15 <DSP__> u will be helping thousands of people with DSP difficulties
Dec 27 19:07:23 <woglinde_> ?
Dec 27 19:07:39 <jkridner> armin76: seems the mirror script doesn't like '+' in the file names.
Dec 27 19:08:07 <jkridner> er, S3 doesn't like it.
Dec 27 19:08:28 <DSP__> DSP for beginers
Dec 27 19:09:30 <jkridner> hmm... no, it is worse than that.
Dec 27 19:10:11 <DSP__> a 10 min video should be fine
Dec 27 19:20:46 <DSP__> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Getting_Started_With_C6Run_On_Beagleboard
Dec 27 19:23:03 <koen> jkridner: "that way" being expanded or abusing UTF8/16 as bytearray?
Dec 27 19:23:48 <jkridner> no, as strings.
Dec 27 19:24:22 <jkridner> that need to be interpreted to bytes to be passed to i2c-tools on the command line.
Dec 27 19:26:14 <koen> so abusing utf8 :)
Dec 27 19:39:16 <koen> jkridner: https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/commit/9365085cbe7061760f8ca4916b88b3c9c625f265
Dec 27 19:47:35 * koen wishes he had a properly programmed EEPROM on a cape
Dec 27 19:48:27 <koen> jkridner: with that patch you can't really use i2c-tools anymore, just write the entire sysfs file
Dec 27 19:49:18 <jkridner> right
Dec 27 19:49:26 <jkridner> I guess the utility needs to work both ways.
Dec 27 19:50:37 <koen> you can use i2cset -f
Dec 27 19:50:41 <koen> but there be dragons
Dec 27 19:52:16 <aholler_> ah, now I know where those people come from, the u.k program Decoded sends them all to this channel ...
Dec 27 19:53:10 <woglinde_> aholler the dsp people?
Dec 27 19:53:55 <aholler_> all those "getting an embedded dev QUICK people"
Dec 27 19:58:21 <aholler_> for which the possible combinations which are offered through 3 cables are a mathematical challenge
Dec 27 20:00:21 <aholler_> sorry, had an exhausting day :)
Dec 27 20:01:26 <koen> jkridner: http://pastebin.com/ghC6wiWA
Dec 27 20:01:29 <koen> does that look OK?
Dec 27 20:12:02 <koen> jkridner: a few minutes with hexedit: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/eeprom-dump
Dec 27 20:18:48 <_av500_> aholler_: what program?
Dec 27 20:18:48 <armin76> jkridner: sounds fun :)
Dec 27 20:19:27 <_av500_> in fact nobody here can help with dsp because they are all busy programming eeproms...
Dec 27 20:19:36 <jkridner> koen: can you point me to specific messages about not doing binary so that I can best address those concerns?
Dec 27 20:20:15 <aholler_> _av500_: the link prpplague posted
Dec 27 20:21:44 <_av500_> ah
Dec 27 20:24:05 <beginner> what does the %02hX in  fprintf(pf,"%02hX",cle[i]); do?
Dec 27 20:25:43 <mru> it prints a short int in hex, zero-padded to 2 digits, uppercase A-F
Dec 27 20:26:00 <beginner> ok thaks
Dec 27 20:26:07 <aholler_> man scanf
Dec 27 20:26:13 <koen> jkridner: I googled for "javascript binary file read"
Dec 27 20:38:20 <mranostay> prpplague: so any updates with the old openocd + bone?
Dec 27 20:39:00 <prpplague> mranostay: i have the icepick talking but the cortex-a8 seems to be not mapping to the right location, going to hack on it some more today
Dec 27 20:40:47 <jkridner> koen: what about base64 encoding?  does that make more sense for binary fields?
Dec 27 20:41:11 <Crofton|work> you guys are working to hard!
Dec 27 20:41:13 <mranostay> prpplague: register mapping?
Dec 27 20:42:12 <prpplague> mranostay: more with the icepick tap routing
Dec 27 20:42:24 <koen> jkridner: I have no idea on that
Dec 27 20:42:36 <mranostay> ah nothing is ever easy 
Dec 27 20:43:10 <mranostay> what binary fields are we talking about?
Dec 27 20:44:47 <koen> mranostay: cape EEPROM format
Dec 27 20:45:04 <koen> mranostay: it looks like this: http://pastebin.com/ghC6wiWA
Dec 27 20:45:16 <koen> but some fields have a weird binary format
Dec 27 20:45:37 <woglinde_> hi crofton
Dec 27 20:46:17 <mranostay> koen: which kills the JS execution i assume/
Dec 27 20:46:19 <mranostay> ?
Dec 27 20:47:00 <koen> mranostay: we are debating the best way to read/write that using js
Dec 27 20:47:22 <koen> I bet we can hack it in half an hour, but we'd like to do it properly :)
Dec 27 20:47:55 <mranostay> never do a hack you wouldn't want to live forever with :)
Dec 27 20:48:18 <mranostay> famous last words: "i'll rewrite this cleaner later"
Dec 27 20:48:29 * koen isn't a coder
Dec 27 20:48:37 <koen> so I'm allowed to produce crap
Dec 27 20:48:47 <mranostay> hah
Dec 27 20:48:57 <mranostay> so which fields are binary?
Dec 27 20:49:18 <_av500_> koen: i think you need a byteReadFactoryPatternGeneratorTemplate
Dec 27 20:49:37 <_av500_> this way, if you switch to 7bits per bytes, it will be only a small change in the XML definition
Dec 27 20:50:21 <koen> mranostay: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/format.png
Dec 27 20:51:17 <prpplague> koen: funny how you guys are re-inventing ISA ......
Dec 27 20:51:42 <koen> heh, yeah
Dec 27 20:51:52 <koen> I hadn't realized that
Dec 27 20:52:16 * koen switches to very local bone
Dec 27 20:53:30 <_av500_> prpplague: plug and play!!!
Dec 27 20:54:50 <prpplague> _av500_: amen, and pass the plate
Dec 27 20:54:55 <_av500_> koen: APMU is crazy, it should by APURRRRRM
Dec 27 20:54:58 <_av500_> R=reserved bits
Dec 27 20:55:15 <koen> my thought exactly
Dec 27 20:55:41 <_av500_> you want to be able to "read" that in a hexdump
Dec 27 20:55:52 <_av500_> using "eyes"
Dec 27 20:56:12 <_av500_> who designed that?
Dec 27 20:56:28 <koen> not sure
Dec 27 20:56:40 <koen> I think it's derived from the "official format" for am335x
Dec 27 20:56:44 <koen> which is ehm
Dec 27 20:56:52 <koen> <censored>
Dec 27 20:58:59 <_av500_> official?
Dec 27 20:59:17 <_av500_> the CPU defines an eeprom format? for what?
Dec 27 21:00:34 <koen> _av500_: someone though SoMs are the only way to build a board, so the kernel and bootloader need an eeprom to work
Dec 27 21:00:51 <koen> _av500_: I bet you see the pattern there
Dec 27 21:01:08 <_av500_> wtf
Dec 27 21:01:31 <_av500_> to put a $5 part on a SoM?
Dec 27 21:01:39 <koen> no suprise it took >3 weeks to explain "plugging in a usb device need to work" and the end result is that only plugging in works and replugging is broken
Dec 27 21:02:12 <_av500_> in the meantime the chinese are eating your supermarket....
Dec 27 21:02:38 <koen> there is hope
Dec 27 21:02:46 <koen> north korea might invade india
Dec 27 21:06:43 <prpplague> koen: did you get your cape ordered?
Dec 27 21:12:37 <koen> prpplague: not yet
Dec 27 21:12:57 <koen> prpplague: I need to bite the bullet and send it to CCO for a prototype run
Dec 27 21:13:11 <prpplague> koen: why CCO?
Dec 27 21:13:19 <mranostay> koen: triple checked to be sure PCB diagram is correct? :)
Dec 27 21:13:49 <koen> prpplague: I'm getting a nice deal from them
Dec 27 21:13:52 <aholler_> plug and pray?
Dec 27 21:14:00 <prpplague> koen: ahh
Dec 27 21:14:03 <jkridner> koen: re: http://pastebin.com/ghC6wiWA, I think 'header' should be base64.  not sure what the "a53e" string is supposed to be.
Dec 27 21:14:11 <aholler_> about aht are you talking? the bone?
Dec 27 21:15:19 <koen> jkridner: a poor attempt at mapping AA 55 33 EE to ascii
Dec 27 21:15:48 <koen> jkridner: my plan was to repopulate it using the data read from the eeprom itself
Dec 27 21:18:12 <jkridner> I know I'm about 50 steps behind you, but ... http://pastebin.com/WRR99k2U
Dec 27 21:18:16 <jkridner> for the main eeprom.
Dec 27 21:19:43 * jkridner wonders why his serial number has "BB00" instead of "4P16".
Dec 27 21:19:56 <jkridner> anyway, matches what is written on the board.
Dec 27 21:20:13 <jkridner> er, the week code is off. :(
Dec 27 21:20:17 <jkridner> 43 vs 42.
Dec 27 21:23:05 <jkridner> anyway, I think the use of Buffer and toString is right.  thoughts on that?
Dec 27 21:23:29 <koen>   serialNumber: '4511BB000013',
Dec 27 21:23:46 <koen> it looks OK to me
Dec 27 21:23:55 <jkridner> I wonder why the SRM says "4P16"
Dec 27 21:35:43 <koen> no idea
Dec 27 21:41:18 <koen> jkridner: http://pastebin.com/AUJCGFFe
Dec 27 21:42:24 <jkridner> k, I'll merge that with http://pastebin.com/fR3yeBND
Dec 27 21:45:25 <jkridner> interesting how you interpreted the stop byte for the function as well...
Dec 27 21:46:00 <jkridner> I tried that at first, as it made sense, but I think the 'end' has to be the byte after the last byte for some weird reason. :(
Dec 27 21:53:50 <koen> jkridner: I share a google doc with you visualizing the format a bit better :)
Dec 27 21:57:17 <jkridner> an update: http://pastebin.com/PjDC8Y0S
Dec 27 21:58:42 * jkridner wonders what the number format is for http://pastebin.com/PjDC8Y0S
Dec 27 22:01:50 <beginner> hello
Dec 27 22:01:52 <jkridner> koen: can I assume little endian?
Dec 27 22:01:54 <beginner> Class CMotDePasse { 	bool vide; 	BYTE cle[CleSize]; 	virtual const BYTE* Crypter(const char* mdp)=0;
Dec 27 22:02:20 <beginner> is Crypter a constructor?
Dec 27 22:03:10 <koen> jkridner: well
Dec 27 22:03:15 <koen> jkridner: look at the header
Dec 27 22:03:35 <koen> isn't that suppose to be AM3355?
Dec 27 22:03:58 <jkridner> that doesn't tell me, because it is a string of bytes
Dec 27 22:04:32 <jkridner> I guess I should work with it as big endian, based on the revision strings?
Dec 27 22:05:12 <koen> that's the feeling I get
Dec 27 22:05:17 <jkridner> k
Dec 27 22:05:21 <jkridner> big endian it is.
Dec 27 22:05:41 <koen> not sure how married gerald is to this format
Dec 27 22:06:03 <koen> Unknown EEPROM format revision
Dec 27 22:06:11 <koen> looks like I messed up with hexedit
Dec 27 22:08:24 <koen> jkridner: console.error('Unknown EEPROM format revision: ' + data.formatRev);
Dec 27 22:11:32 <koen> jkridner: that gives the user some nicer debug
Dec 27 22:13:17 <jkridner> k
Dec 27 22:14:51 <jkridner> koen: can you try http://pastebin.com/cjPAvv9E ?
Dec 27 22:20:50 * jkridner tries to remember string to feed i2c-3/new_device
Dec 27 22:21:20 * jkridner reads http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/i2c/instantiating-devices
Dec 27 22:21:27 <koen> jkridner: line 69-71 need s/eepromdata/x/
Dec 27 22:22:18 <jkridner> thanks.
Dec 27 22:22:53 <jkridner> any useful output?  I'm trying to add support for my old kernel right now via 'echo eeprom 0x54 > /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-3/new_device'
Dec 27 22:22:59 <jkridner> seems that isn't enough.
Dec 27 22:23:04 <koen> commenting out the return(null): TypeError: Object �U3�
Dec 27 22:23:18 * koen zzz now
Dec 27 22:23:31 <jkridner> k.
Dec 27 22:23:37 <koen> jkridner: at24c, and you need platform data for 16 bit addresses
Dec 27 22:24:17 <jkridner> k.
Dec 27 22:24:40 <koen> jkridner: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/uImage.eeprom
Dec 27 22:25:19 <jkridner> guess we'll expect everyone to update kernel to use this feature?
Dec 27 22:25:29 * jkridner guesses it is reasonable.
Dec 27 22:25:55 <jkridner> bonescript isn't the most universally compatible software ever written. :)
Dec 28 02:38:10 <dsoto> hi
Dec 28 02:38:26 <dsoto> i'm having some problems getting an angstrom SD card for my second beaglebone
Dec 28 02:38:48 <dsoto> i'm using the instructions and images at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Dec 28 02:39:02 <dsoto> just like the first one but i'm getting some errors on boot
Dec 28 02:39:06 <dsoto> Wrong Image Format for bootm command
Dec 28 02:39:15 <dsoto> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
Dec 28 02:39:24 <dsoto> what am i likely doing wrong?
Dec 28 02:39:32 <tlab> sounds like the sd card didn't make it right
Dec 28 02:39:50 <tlab> what command are you using to create the card?
Dec 28 02:40:03 <dsoto> i'm using the mkcard.txt script
Dec 28 02:40:16 <dsoto> from the link above
Dec 28 02:40:34 <tlab> why don't you just use the zcat example?
Dec 28 02:40:48 <dsoto> that didn't work for me the first time
Dec 28 02:40:53 <dsoto> i'll try again now
Dec 28 02:41:27 <tlab> check your /dev to see what your sdcard is, you probably need to use /dev/mmcblk0
Dec 28 02:42:19 <dsoto> i thought it was /dev/sdb
Dec 28 02:42:29 <dsoto> what is the difference between sdb and mmcblk0?
Dec 28 02:43:41 <tlab> sdb is usually the 2nd hard drive in a system. sda being the first
Dec 28 02:44:13 <tlab> sda1 is partition 1
Dec 28 02:44:20 <tlab> sda2 being partition two, etc
Dec 28 02:44:36 <dsoto> how about mmcblk0?
Dec 28 02:45:39 <tlab> mmc is memory card
Dec 28 02:45:55 <tlab> blk is block, for a block device
Dec 28 02:46:37 <dsoto> thx tlab, i'm still learning here
Dec 28 02:47:38 <tlab> you should look into learning some basic linux 
Dec 28 02:48:10 <dsoto> i've got the basics, i'd say all this file mounting stuff is intermediate
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Dec 28 03:46:49 <dsoto> my beaglebone is stuck in U-Boot# with messages like 
Dec 28 03:46:57 <dsoto> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
Dec 28 03:47:27 <dsoto> do i have to do anything like mmc init or setenv bootargs like on the xM?
Dec 28 03:51:04 <dsoto> also getting ** Unable to read "uEnv.txt" from mmc 0:1 **
Dec 28 03:51:17 <dsoto> but there is no uEnv.txt file that i'm aware of
Dec 28 03:51:39 <dsoto> this is strange since i followed exactly the same procedure on another beaglebone that works great
Dec 28 03:53:19 <rlmccormick> anyone here have any luck with any particular usb wifi dongle?
Dec 28 04:08:47 <dsoto> ok, on my working beaglebone, after getting ** Unable to read "uEnv.txt" from mmc 0:1 **
Dec 28 04:09:03 <dsoto> it writes -  Loading file "/boot/uImage" from mmc device 0:2 (xxa2)
Dec 28 04:09:58 <dsoto> do i need to set a parameter to get it to load /boot/uImage?
Dec 28 04:29:34 <zandubalm123> Can someone fix the RSS on the beagleboard.org? I miss the latest updates of BB
Dec 28 04:58:35 <dsoto> anybody out there that can help with a u-boot problem on a beaglebone?
Dec 28 04:59:15 <aholler_> no
Dec 28 05:02:07 <aholler> if there is no uEnv.txt it can't load it. it isn't necessary. so what happens after that?
Dec 28 05:10:02 <dsoto> aholler: thx
Dec 28 05:10:04 <dsoto> ** Unable to read "uImage" from mmc 0:1 **
Dec 28 05:10:35 <dsoto> on my working beaglebone, i get
Dec 28 05:10:37 <dsoto> Loading file "/boot/uImage" from mmc device 0:2 (xxa2)
Dec 28 05:11:20 <aholler> and both are using the same MLO?
Dec 28 05:11:47 <dsoto> yes, i even checked the md5sums
Dec 28 05:12:35 <dsoto> i'm thinking that in the uboot environment variables, something might be different
Dec 28 05:13:24 <aholler> the env comes with uEnv.txt or from flash. I assume the bone doesn't have flash
Dec 28 05:14:52 <aholler> u-boot is the same too?
Dec 28 05:15:22 <dsoto> u-boot also the same
Dec 28 05:15:35 <aholler> to see the embedded env of u-boot, you could use strings u-boot.bin.
Dec 28 05:16:21 <aholler> I don't know what it does, so you need to look at the startup-script yourself
Dec 28 05:16:56 <aholler> there should be something like mmc init or mmc restart or similiar.
Dec 28 05:17:20 <dsoto> mmc init worked on my xM
Dec 28 05:17:32 <dsoto> but this u-boot doesn't have it
Dec 28 05:17:49 <aholler> that might have changed
Dec 28 05:17:53 <dsoto> i'm gonig to try to get a diff on the printenv from the two boards and see what's up
Dec 28 06:49:00 <LetoThe2nd> i slowly get the impression that the eth interface on my beaglebone is just physically damaged. a) it used to work once b) when i use an usb ethernet adapter, everything works out of the box. :(
Dec 28 06:50:38 <dm8tbr> did you try PoE with 230V or what? ;)
Dec 28 06:50:47 <LetoThe2nd> neither....
Dec 28 06:52:08 <dsoto> LetoThe2nd: are you sure it isn't the eth cable?  that happened to me once.
Dec 28 06:52:41 <LetoThe2nd> dsoto: 100% sure. triple checked, cable works fine when using the usb version or for the pandaboard.
Dec 28 06:53:03 <dsoto> LetoThe2nd: bummer
Dec 28 06:53:17 <LetoThe2nd> and no, its not a crossed cable, yes, i also tried another port at the switch, even another switch totally.
Dec 28 06:54:04 <dsoto> have you tried /etc/init.d/networking restart?  my bone ethernet doesn't always come up on boot and that fixes it.
Dec 28 06:55:01 <dsoto> or is that too obvious?
Dec 28 06:55:05 <LetoThe2nd> will happily retry. but the observation is that eth comes up, it just fails to receive anything. moment please, will provide paste shortly.
Dec 28 06:56:52 <dm8tbr> that could actually be interesting, sometimes you can see errors on the if etc
Dec 28 06:57:49 <LetoThe2nd> well 15sec or so after booting, some zeroconf thing finally sets the ip to 169.254.79.xyz
Dec 28 06:59:50 <LetoThe2nd> basically it always looks like: http://pastebin.com/0QM41Awx
Dec 28 06:59:51 <reisei> LetoThe2nd: that means that interface can't recive address from dhcp
Dec 28 07:00:08 <reisei> LetoThe2nd: try static address
Dec 28 07:00:20 <LetoThe2nd> reisei: already did. changes nothing.
Dec 28 07:00:47 <LetoThe2nd> RX bytes is and stays 0 for all time. hence the guess that its just b0rken.
Dec 28 07:02:08 <reisei> it's hard to broke ethernet without "trying PoE thing" :)
Dec 28 07:04:02 <LetoThe2nd> *should* be.
Dec 28 07:05:01 <j4son_> PoE ftw :>
Dec 28 07:05:28 <LetoThe2nd> is HWaddr D4:94:A1:2B:81:5A valid, anyway?
Dec 28 07:05:57 <LetoThe2nd> ... seems to
Dec 28 07:06:15 <reisei> it will say if mac is not valif
Dec 28 07:06:18 <reisei> *valid
Dec 28 07:07:29 <LetoThe2nd> hm, i've really run out of ideas.
Dec 28 07:08:16 <reisei> LetoThe2nd: are LEDs blinking?
Dec 28 07:08:46 <dsoto> does anyone know how to keep a process running on the beagle after ssh logout?  (i've tried screen)
Dec 28 07:09:00 <LetoThe2nd> reisei: the heartbeat LED is, both LEDs in the eth jack are constantly on.
Dec 28 07:09:48 <reisei> dsoto: screen is right thing for that
Dec 28 07:11:03 <reisei> LetoThe2nd: as I undestand, LED's the first thing that can show physical damage. may be i am wrong.
Dec 28 07:11:04 <dsoto> hmmm...after i logout, the process dies even using screen.
Dec 28 07:11:28 <dsoto> i'm detaching from the session, so the session should persist, 
Dec 28 07:11:39 <dsoto> but doesn't
Dec 28 07:12:01 <reisei> dsoto: yes, it should. So, something wrong with the process in the screen session.
Dec 28 07:12:32 <LetoThe2nd> i'd guess that this might be a side effect of the systemd/getty respawning.
Dec 28 07:13:19 <dsoto> reisei: thanks, i'll keep trying with screen
Dec 28 07:14:07 <LetoThe2nd> dsoto: the net effect should be the same, but what about first starting a kind-of detached screen (nohup screen &) and then connecting to it?
Dec 28 07:14:32 <dsoto> interesting idea, i'll try that
Dec 28 07:33:26 <dsoto> LetoThe2nd: thanks for the suggestion.  seems to be working, i think nohup is key.
Dec 28 07:33:57 <LetoThe2nd> dsoto: nice to hear, though it certainly shouldn't make a difference in this case.
Dec 28 07:34:41 <dsoto> LetoThe2nd: i'll try to be more systematic, maybe i was making a mistake before...
Dec 28 09:36:32 <LetoThe2nd> when poking kernel configuration with angstrom, whats the preferred way? manually editig the recipes/.../defconfig sounds rather irksomne
Dec 28 09:38:28 <reisei> LetoThe2nd: I cd in tmp/work/machine_name/linux_version/git and here editing the configuration and building the kernel.
Dec 28 09:42:35 <LetoThe2nd> reisei: and therefore bypassing the oe/angstrom mechanisms. doesn't sound convincing to me either.
Dec 28 09:47:21 <av500> LetoThe2nd: http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
Dec 28 09:47:45 <av500> http://openembedded.org/index.php/Kernel_Building
Dec 28 09:48:45 <LetoThe2nd> av500: hm....
Dec 28 09:49:01 <av500> LetoThe2nd: thats at least the official party line
Dec 28 09:49:18 <av500> as set down by predsednik koen
Dec 28 09:49:21 <LetoThe2nd> av500: thx, will see.
Dec 28 09:49:43 <av500> LetoThe2nd: not that I would follow it :)
Dec 28 09:49:51 <LetoThe2nd> av500: history doesnt mention koen.
Dec 28 09:50:07 <av500> LetoThe2nd: history is being written by the winners
Dec 28 09:50:22 <LetoThe2nd> av500: interesting implications.
Dec 28 09:50:52 <LetoThe2nd> i'm heavily tempted to go back to ptxdist.
Dec 28 09:51:04 <av500> I never left buildroot :)
Dec 28 09:51:22 <LetoThe2nd> not much of a difference there, AFAIK
Dec 28 09:57:58 <LetoThe2nd> is all that stuff under meta-ti/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp-3.1 really needed for the beaglebone?
Dec 28 10:09:49 <av500> LetoThe2nd: try and find out :)
Dec 28 10:40:17 <koen> av500: you pointed to a wiki, I never endorse those
Dec 28 10:41:57 <koen> LetoThe2nd: http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
Dec 28 10:42:09 <LetoThe2nd> koen: yeah, he also mentioned that one.
Dec 28 10:42:16 <av500> [10:40:40] <av500> LetoThe2nd: http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
Dec 28 11:18:05 <knotty> were crystal oscillator and body bias ldo enabled on xM?
Dec 28 11:23:59 <knotty> like it's write here: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP35x_To_AM37x_Hardware_Migration_Guide#Hardware_Migration
Dec 28 11:26:03 <koen> bone EEPROM format sample for simple minded people like me: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhgZ33Tf6eBldGxBcV9KYW1OWEFxS2hLNHJUNFp1a0E
Dec 28 11:28:04 <av500> knotty: checked the schematics?
Dec 28 11:28:21 <av500> koen: what an awful way to convey information
Dec 28 11:31:18 <koen> yes
Dec 28 11:32:45 <knotty> av500: i did with the pdf, but i cannot open the brd file
Dec 28 11:33:46 <knotty> av500: and from the pdf it seams that wasn't did
Dec 28 11:44:02 <knotty> koen: i did intall eagle (5.11.0) on my linuxmint12 for open the brd, but i get an error when i open it (invalid data)
Dec 28 11:46:31 <koen> I did it in eagle 6
Dec 28 11:48:02 <knotty> i tryed to install the 6, libpng14 missing on my box
Dec 28 11:49:21 <knotty> i also installed pcb gEDA and gerbv
Dec 28 11:49:56 <knotty> gerb file are the A Rev
Dec 28 11:53:00 <LetoThe2nd> whats the default console for the beaglebone? also ttyO2?
Dec 28 11:53:35 <LetoThe2nd> ah, ttyO2
Dec 28 11:54:54 <LetoThe2nd> s/ttyO2/ttyO0/
Dec 28 11:59:42 <leci> Hi. Is there any place where I can find a 3d model of the beagleboard xm? 
Dec 28 12:02:54 <sundar> not that i know of, but just curious why do you need a  3d model 
Dec 28 12:03:12 <leci> I want to design a case for the board and submit it to Thingverse.. 
Dec 28 12:03:33 <sundar> then you need the exact dimensions
Dec 28 12:03:48 <sundar> of all the components including
Dec 28 12:04:18 <leci> I'm just a bit lazy to model from zero, I thought I could speed the process skipping some steps, by having already the 3d model of the ref board
Dec 28 12:04:54 <sundar> dunno, there might be some mechanical design in user manual document
Dec 28 14:23:02 <jkridner> armin76: I updated the mirror, but the links are still broken if there are + signs.  You need to replace + with %2b.
Dec 28 14:23:33 <jkridner> I'm not sure why the cron job doesn't seem to be working, because the script is working fine.
Dec 28 14:24:35 <jkridner> I use curl to fetch index.html.  perhaps I could perform some substitution.  if anyone knows if that is possible in curl, let me know, otherwise it'll have to wait until I have a chance to write some sed/perl.
Dec 28 15:34:56 <aholler> jkridner: cron-jobs usually don't have all paths
Dec 28 15:35:15 <jkridner> how do you mean?
Dec 28 15:35:40 <jkridner> isn't it typical for a script in a cron job to have paths in it?
Dec 28 15:42:24 <aholler> not necessarily
Dec 28 15:43:14 <aholler> or some other environment-var is missing. set >/tmp/t.txt in the script might help
Dec 28 15:48:25 <woglinde> yes
Dec 28 15:48:33 <woglinde> often the env is cleaned for cronjobs
Dec 28 15:52:46 <A2Sheds> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pandaboard_es&num=1  also /. article  http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/12/28/1335214/pandaboard-es-benchmarked
Dec 28 15:54:18 <A2Sheds> it looks like they did not use any of the hardware accelerators in the omap for testing
Dec 28 16:06:07 <aholler> they used ubuntu and don't mentioning cflags, so you can assume no hardfp.
Dec 28 16:06:19 <woglinde> yes
Dec 28 16:06:25 <woglinde> armv4 code
Dec 28 16:06:30 <aholler> throw away that benchmark
Dec 28 16:12:08 <doublebeta> night all
Dec 28 16:15:23 <aholler> no neon, no vfp and I bet a stone old gcc was used ;)
Dec 28 16:16:00 <av500> aholler: is that phoronix fault?
Dec 28 16:17:07 <aholler> they have done the benchmark, and don't mentioning such circumstances, so yes.
Dec 28 16:17:47 <woglinde> aholler yes as most benchmarks on phoronix
Dec 28 16:17:55 <woglinde> you can use them as trends
Dec 28 16:17:58 <woglinde> nothing more
Dec 28 16:18:41 <av500> and I was about to sell my arm stock.....
Dec 28 16:19:57 <aholler> as long as dt isn't widely used and manufacturers still selling arm-tablets without root it might be a good idea ;)
Dec 28 16:21:20 <av500> dt?
Dec 28 16:22:05 <aholler> device tree, so you don't need the schematas or source for the bootloader
Dec 28 16:22:30 <av500> what?
Dec 28 16:24:15 <aholler> or get rid of netflix which seems to be the reason that the whole world is tortured through drm-foo
Dec 28 16:24:44 <av500> it is
Dec 28 16:29:52 <aholler> it's just a pain that most manufacturers want to get independent from intel through arm-hw but then they sell hw you can throw away in a year because everything is crippled and you won't get updates after half a year or such when new hw is available and the manufacturer lost interest.
Dec 28 16:31:41 <av500> welcome to the real life :)
Dec 28 16:33:01 <aholler> stupidy is endless ;)
Dec 28 16:37:49 <aholler> but I'm sure that will change after a critical mass of users had experiences with their first arm-tablet.
Dec 28 16:39:54 <aholler> spending endless hours searching for root-hacks ;)
Dec 28 16:40:49 <av500> why?
Dec 28 17:00:07 * av500 just SATA to a 12MHz SH-1
Dec 28 17:00:13 <av500> just added* :)
Dec 28 17:00:54 <av500> now I need to find the toolchain again....
Dec 28 17:05:09 <av500> maybe I should ask in #rockbox...
Dec 28 18:18:40 <nascentmind> hi. I am using bluez stack and have written a program to listen to a socket at channel 1 but I am not able to receive any data. I am able to do it on a pc. What am I doing wrong?
Dec 28 19:00:30 <koen> jkridner_: pull request for eeprom updated at github
Dec 28 19:00:39 <jkridner_> k.
Dec 28 19:01:03 <jkridner_> I have a bunch of data entry I did on the locations, but got stuck on the conflicts.
Dec 28 19:01:24 * koen has a 10 port USB hub now
Dec 28 19:01:39 <koen> so I can hook up all my beaglebones now
Dec 28 19:02:53 <jkridner_> I just pushed the IPv6 updates I merged and forgot to push.
Dec 28 19:04:10 <koen> with a bunch of other commits :)
Dec 28 19:06:59 <jkridner_> I think I'd like to make those functions if they don't exist to make upgrades work easier.
Dec 28 19:07:11 <jkridner_> your code would of course still work...
Dec 28 19:07:19 <jkridner_> but, it isn't as clean right in those regions.
Dec 28 19:08:30 <ds2> hmmm
Dec 28 19:08:37 <jkridner_> I pushed an eeprom branch for now.
Dec 28 19:08:47 <jkridner_> I'll merge it into master later today hopefully.
Dec 28 19:14:23 <koen> jkridner_: http://pastebin.com/YzfiPAWz
Dec 28 19:15:06 <koen> jkridner_: this file: https://github.com/koenkooi/bonescript/blob/weatherstation/weatherstation.js
Dec 28 19:15:43 <koen> jkridner_: same error on processing-dynamic-view.js in your tree
Dec 28 19:15:45 <jkridner_> hmmm…. thought that syntax was ok...
Dec 28 19:16:07 <jkridner_> which node version? 0.4.12?
Dec 28 19:17:35 <koen> yes
Dec 28 19:18:05 <jkridner_> maybe I was wrong that the same server could have 2 listeners.
Dec 28 19:18:16 <jkridner_> I thought I tested it, but it was a month ago.
Dec 28 19:18:31 * jkridner_ reads http://code.danyork.com/2011/01/21/how-to-use-node-js-with-ipv6/
Dec 28 19:25:17 <jkridner_> koen: can you try the latest off of the eeprom branch now?
Dec 28 19:33:33 <rmoriz> hi! any ideay why a 3.1.6-x6 kernel recognizes only 113 BogoMIPS ona a C5 BeagleBoard?
Dec 28 19:35:48 <rmoriz> cpufreq-info also shows: 125 MHz - 600 MHz
Dec 28 19:38:25 <koen> jkridner_: ipv4 works with that
Dec 28 19:38:49 <koen> jkridner_: if you reverse the listen calls I suspect both v6 and v4 will work
Dec 28 19:41:24 <jkridner_> odd.  OK.
Dec 28 19:42:34 <jkridner_> swapped.
Dec 28 19:56:54 <koen> jkridner_: do I need to redo the weatherstation pull request? Or do you want to cherrypick the one commit?
Dec 28 19:57:49 * jkridner_ looks for the pull request.
Dec 28 20:00:01 <jkridner_> did you want me to put that into master?
Dec 28 20:05:29 <jkridner_> koen: I rebased the patch against my master.  want to check out the weather station branch?
Dec 28 20:06:30 <jkridner_> hmmm… I think I did that wrong….  I'll rebase again.
Dec 28 20:07:28 <ds2> Hmmm
Dec 28 20:10:15 <jkridner_> koen: k, check the weather station branch now.
Dec 28 20:11:57 <koen> jkridner_: that works with ipv6
Dec 28 20:13:50 <jkridner_> great!
Dec 28 20:14:05 <jkridner_> weatherstation app works as well?
Dec 28 20:14:14 <koen> that's what I tested :)
Dec 28 20:14:22 <jkridner_> did you try eeprom.js?
Dec 28 20:16:07 <koen> works as well in that branch
Dec 28 20:16:26 <koen> http://pastebin.com/REDbFYr2
Dec 28 20:17:18 <koen> jkridner_: you can delete processing-dynamic-view* after merging the weatherstation branch
Dec 28 20:17:54 <_av500_> ds2: i think eeprom has definitely pushed nand from its throne here
Dec 28 20:29:36 <dsoto> LetoThe2nd: thanks for the help on screen and nohup last night, i think i came to a solution
Dec 28 20:30:07 <dsoto> create the screen session from the console, and then attach to that screen from ssh session
Dec 28 20:30:37 <dsoto> that way the screen session persists despite ssh logout
Dec 28 20:31:17 <LetoThe2nd> dsoto: ah yes. to me it sounds like a bug nevertheless. maybe you could contact the screen folks themselves.
Dec 28 20:32:54 <ds2> _av500_: that is going from bad to worse
Dec 28 20:33:11 <ds2> eatting up scarce I2C address space
Dec 28 20:37:02 <_av500_> ds2: i think I2Cv6 will fix that
Dec 28 20:37:19 <LetoThe2nd> LÖL
Dec 28 20:37:38 <ds2> :)
Dec 28 20:38:10 <mranostay> _av500_: nice :)
Dec 28 20:39:18 <_av500_> ds2: and you know that every pair of free GPIOs is an i2c bus in waiting...
Dec 28 20:40:12 <_av500_> hook up an 8bit i2c port expander and you get 4 more i2c busses
Dec 28 20:40:13 <ds2> :P
Dec 28 20:40:34 <LetoThe2nd> "honk up a 8bit controller"?!?
Dec 28 20:40:45 <ds2> BLAH
Dec 28 20:40:50 <_av500_> knock up
Dec 28 20:41:22 <_av500_> and there is always 1-wire
Dec 28 20:42:20 <LetoThe2nd> so you basically could make a one-wire to two-wire converter! yay!
Dec 28 20:43:51 <LetoThe2nd> whats the address space of 1-wire?
Dec 28 20:45:26 <_av500_> 64 bit
Dec 28 20:45:42 <_av500_> like I2Cv5
Dec 28 20:45:52 <LetoThe2nd> cool
Dec 28 20:46:11 <_av500_> ah no
Dec 28 20:46:11 * LetoThe2nd feels like PCTP. Post Christmas Trolling Party.
Dec 28 20:46:15 <_av500_> 64bit serial
Dec 28 20:46:21 <_av500_> but 8 bit device type
Dec 28 20:46:28 <_av500_> hmm
Dec 28 20:46:37 <_av500_> that still makes 64bit
Dec 28 20:47:41 <_av500_> ok, 56bit, the other 8 are CRC
Dec 28 20:47:52 <LetoThe2nd> i try really, really hard not to imagine a 64 bit cmos shift register.
Dec 28 20:48:46 <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: there are such with millions of bits
Dec 28 20:49:38 <LetoThe2nd> one pin per bit.
Dec 28 20:49:47 <_av500_> hmm, 1-wire can enum 75 devices/second
Dec 28 20:50:40 <mranostay> koen: so you have your weatherstation Eagle files posted somewhere?
Dec 28 20:51:11 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: what good does fast enumeration if data acquisition is slow then.
Dec 28 20:52:42 <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: i doubt koen has rapidly changing microweather in his trailer....
Dec 28 20:53:18 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: i'd guess that just depends on his habits of eating and showering.
Dec 28 20:54:04 <koen> mranostay: https://github.com/koenkooi/beaglebone-capes
Dec 28 20:55:17 <LetoThe2nd> idea: that thing should detect combustible atmospheres.
Dec 28 20:55:57 <koen> jkridner: let me know when all that stuff is in master, I will rebase the schmux stuff on top of that
Dec 28 21:00:23 <mranostay> koen: so what is the learning curve for Eagle?
Dec 28 21:03:58 <_av500_> steep as in fast
Dec 28 21:06:03 <syrioosh> fast question: should i sign uImage before trying using ?
Dec 28 21:08:36 <mranostay> syrioosh: sign?
Dec 28 21:10:05 <_av500_> a true artist signs his work
Dec 28 21:10:13 <_av500_> some even sing it
Dec 28 21:10:37 <LetoThe2nd> *METAL*
Dec 28 21:11:05 <syrioosh> eh :P nevermind i figured out that x-loader only should be signed
Dec 28 21:11:26 <syrioosh> there is signGP script provided with dev board
Dec 28 21:12:28 <jay6981> it's not much of a signature… just the length and 32bit PA to load it into 
Dec 28 21:12:40 <jay6981> you can make the linker script do that for you, instead of running some ridiculous binary
Dec 28 21:12:53 <jkridner_> koen: k, I'm happy with the weatherstation branch.  pulling now into master.  will need to add some content to the readme ahead of release.
Dec 28 21:15:01 <syrioosh> oh didnt know that thanks 
Dec 28 21:29:40 <Hacker> Hello folks
Dec 28 21:30:46 <Guest64942> i m having trouble connecting my XM to codecomposerv 4.2.1
Dec 28 21:31:37 <Guest64942> the question is how to configure the CCS projetc setting in order to controlmy
Dec 28 21:31:40 <Guest64942> XM
Dec 28 21:31:57 <koen> jkridner_: ok, pull request for schmux sent
Dec 28 21:35:02 <Guest64942> any help ?
Dec 28 21:36:54 <Guest64942> i think i should start speaking about marijuana in order to get your attention
Dec 28 21:41:56 <jkridner_> koen: thanks.
Dec 28 21:42:20 <jkridner_> koen: can you check branch 'eeprom2'?  I altered/fixed(?) the 16-bit integer parsing.
Dec 28 21:43:04 <Guest64942> u guys r useless!!!
Dec 28 21:43:09 <koen> jkridner_: TypeError: Object �U3�A0Beaglebone DVI adapter          
Dec 28 21:44:21 <jkridner_> Guest64942: please see section on asking questions at http://beagleboard.org/faq
Dec 28 21:44:59 <koen> jkridner_: try running your code on http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/eeprom-dump
Dec 28 21:45:04 <jkridner_> given that it is right now between Christmas and New Year's, not everyone has a lot of spare time.
Dec 28 21:45:09 <koen> jkridner_: that's a dump of the eeprom on my dvi cape
Dec 28 21:45:30 <jkridner_> koen: do you know where the TypeError shows up?
Dec 28 21:46:05 <jkridner_> koen: I have a couple of errands to run, but replacing the file with something static does sound like a nice way to test.
Dec 28 21:47:57 <koen> jkridner_: numpins
Dec 28 21:48:07 <koen> jkridner_: data.numPins = x.readUint16BE(74);
Dec 28 21:48:14 <koen> so it's still the uint method
Dec 28 21:48:55 <Crofton|work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq7kBhts9a8
Dec 28 21:56:49 <aholler> since when do credit cards have rfid?
Dec 28 21:57:58 <LoloLO> I would like to buy the cape that has the audio codecs, could someone tell me how ?
Dec 28 21:58:32 <jkridner_> koen: k, I'm able to reproduce it now with eeprom-dump
Dec 28 22:03:07 <koen> jkridner_: good :)
Dec 28 22:03:38 <koen> jkridner_: the eeprom is not 100% valid, but it's close
Dec 28 22:05:24 <jkridner_> I need to credit it, but I'm trying to pull code from https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/buffer.js
Dec 28 22:05:38 <ngurus> Can we run python programs in a BeagleBoard?
Dec 28 22:05:39 <jkridner_> not sure why the array stuff isn't working with it.
Dec 28 22:05:45 <jkridner_> ngurus: sure.
Dec 28 22:05:58 * jkridner_ is off yet again.
Dec 28 22:06:04 <jkridner_> back later. :(
Dec 28 22:06:09 <ngurus> And does it support the installation of Python 2.6?
Dec 28 22:06:36 <jkridner_> root@beaglebone:/var/lib/cloud9# python --version
Dec 28 22:06:37 <jkridner_> Python 2.7.2
Dec 28 22:07:01 <ngurus> jkridner: Thank you! Really appreciate your help!
Dec 28 22:09:07 * koen should automate setting the bone hostname based on rev and serial: root@beagleboneA3-88
Dec 28 22:10:16 * koen zzz now
Dec 28 22:10:44 <_av500_> bone-20, disarm yourself
Dec 28 22:12:34 <Crofton|work> must get rfid hw for my usrp
Dec 28 22:13:50 <_av500_> the brains the size of a planet and all it gets to read are some kHz RFIDs....
Dec 28 22:14:08 <Crofton|work> jebus, I just watched the rfid bit
Dec 28 22:14:40 <Crofton|work> I bet DEFCON has more rfid talks
Dec 28 22:14:50 <aholler> they should rename 2Nc3 to 2Nf3 because of all those (us-)speakers using f* all the time ;)
Dec 28 22:15:10 <Crofton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-JXDdzCko
Dec 28 22:15:33 <aholler> Crofton|work: last year there was a good talk from welte
Dec 28 22:16:06 <aholler> about the rfid-stuff used in taiwan puplic transports
Dec 28 22:18:15 <aholler> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4036.en.html
Dec 28 22:19:05 <Crofton|work> thanks
Dec 28 22:19:27 <aholler> video should be available elsewhere
Dec 28 22:19:37 <woglinde> ftp.ccc.de
Dec 28 22:48:15 <aholler> hmm, just seen a usrp2 in a talk ;)
Dec 28 23:34:51 <ngurus> can anyone help me out with this? Can I connect use a USB modem to a beagleboard and then connect it to the internet,  using it?
Dec 28 23:36:38 <LetoThe2nd> sure, why not?
Dec 28 23:38:20 <ngurus> LetoThe2nd : It'll work with Ubuntu on BeagleBoard, right?
Dec 28 23:39:10 <LetoThe2nd> ngurus: as long as you just ask such super-generic questions - yes, probably.
Dec 28 23:43:02 <ngurus> I have just ordered a Board and want to clear a few doubts about it. That's why my questions are vague. Will be more specific, once I start working on it.
Dec 28 23:47:13 <muriani> regular beagleboard or xM?
Dec 28 23:47:24 <muriani> are non-xM boards still sold?
Dec 28 23:47:43 <EasyAt> yep
Dec 28 23:52:49 <dn> quick question on format_sdcard.bash, anyone
Dec 28 23:53:39 <dn> There is a line in that script that says "Clearing MBR..." but does a dd of blocksize 532 instead of 512 bytes. Any idea why 532 instead of 512?
Dec 28 23:54:50 <dn> Wikipedia says MBR is 512 bytes long, so why go an extra 20 after that? typo?
Dec 28 23:57:28 <mru> for teh lulz
Dec 28 23:58:30 <dm8tbr> they wanted to be sure, so they took off and nuked it from orbit
Dec 29 00:02:11 <rlmccormick> hi all, anyone here have any luck with any specific usb wifi dongles?
Dec 29 00:02:27 <rlmccormick> and by any lucki mean reliably working
Dec 29 00:04:33 <dm8tbr> IIRC people used realtek chipsets, ymmv
Dec 29 00:04:50 <rlmccormick> thx
Dec 29 00:05:05 <mru> m always v with realtek
Dec 29 00:06:49 <djlewis> later :)
Dec 29 00:10:52 <tlab> why is it when I change something in /etc/resolv.conf and reboot it goes back to the default?  How can I make my changes stay
Dec 29 00:11:14 <tlab> I'm using a beaglebone
Dec 29 00:12:05 <Russ> do you have resolvconf installed?
Dec 29 00:12:08 <jay6981> dhcp?
Dec 29 00:12:56 <tlab> there is a resolv.conf file I edit it to what I need, but when I restart the beagle it goes back to the fault... I'm using an sd card for root
Dec 29 00:13:28 <tlab> df say /dev/root is mounted on /
Dec 29 00:21:17 <Russ> ...or just repeat your question
Dec 29 00:34:21 <tlab> I didn't realize resolvconf was a package, I thought you ment if the file existed
Dec 29 00:52:57 <tlab> seems resolvconf is looking in the wrong place for the interface file
Dec 29 00:53:32 <curious_> Wish to use wifi dongle or embeddedelectrons 1271 board with beagle xm.revc.is there a foolproof android project and obtainable specific hardware that can do this without a lot of malarky?  (not good enough in Linux to handle major obstacles :(  )
Dec 29 00:55:40 <curious_> also..will beaglebone handle a usb wifi dongle someday?
Dec 29 01:01:37 <aholler> get an android tablet
Dec 29 01:02:09 <Russ> tlab, lookup the documentation of resolvconf, it will give you what you need to know
Dec 29 01:02:13 <LoloLO> http://boardzoo.com/product_info.php?products_id=86
Dec 29 01:02:25 <LoloLO> is it already well supported by BeagleBone ?
Dec 29 01:08:53 <tlab> ugh why can't I just edit resolv.conf once and be done with it
Dec 29 01:09:55 <curious_> this is the problem of expandable systems...if beagle and beagle xm had wireless built in...
Dec 29 01:26:15 <rmoriz> curious_: you can get very small wifi usb sticks for ~10€
Dec 29 01:26:32 <rmoriz> curious_: and if you use ubuntu, they'll work ;-) (not a big fan of angstrom, sorry)
Dec 29 01:28:05 <curious_> i like ubuntu as well..i would like it to work in Android..everything I find on the web is no different than one year ago regarding wifi and beagle (on android, i know easier on linux)
Dec 29 01:28:54 <rmoriz> ok sorry, no idea about android
Dec 29 01:29:50 <rmoriz> I use an Edimax EW-7811Un with ubuntu from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
Dec 29 01:31:11 <rmoriz> curious_: have you tried a zydas based stick? they're quite "old" in terms of available
Dec 29 01:32:34 <Russ> I'd like to get a dual boot setup with android to try out netflix support
Dec 29 01:36:36 <rmoriz> here's a pic of the RTL8188CUS based Edimax EW-7811Un on a BeagleBoard C5 https://skitch.com/rmoriz/gwwam/edimax
Dec 29 01:38:15 <rmoriz> thy require the latest 3.2 drivers from realtek patched in (dkms maybe). 
Dec 29 01:39:12 <curious_> amazing how small they can make those
Dec 29 01:39:28 <rmoriz> yes. also how cheap
Dec 29 01:39:45 <rmoriz> a german electronic distributor sells "no-name" versions for <8€
Dec 29 01:40:04 <rmoriz> http://www.reichelt.de/WLAN-Adapter/JOY-IT-NET04M/index.html?;ACTION=3;LA=2;ARTICLE=107252;GROUPID=770;artnr=JOY-IT+NET04M
Dec 29 01:40:39 <rmoriz> but one downsite. driver hangs on hotplug. i had to rmmod/modprobe each time
Dec 29 01:40:46 <rmoriz> and no AP support working yet
Dec 29 01:40:53 <curious_> well thank you rmoriz..off on my quest
Dec 29 01:53:06 <blueintegral> I'm having trouble getting the serial console to work. I get garbled output in minicom, but I know all the settings (speed, parity, etc) are all correct. What else can I try?
Dec 29 01:54:51 <rmoriz> have you tried it with "screen" ?
Dec 29 01:55:18 <rmoriz> screen /dev/whatever 115200
Dec 29 01:55:48 <rmoriz> if that works it must be a minicom issue.
Dec 29 01:55:55 <blueintegral> yeah, I'm using a usb to serial cable and screen /dev/USB0 doesn't work
Dec 29 01:55:58 <rmoriz> if not, maybe something with your cable / remote side
Dec 29 01:56:11 <rmoriz> which OS?
Dec 29 01:56:34 <rlmccormick> /dev/ttyUSB0 is what I have to use
Dec 29 01:56:49 <blueintegral> sorry, that's what I meant
Dec 29 01:57:03 <rmoriz> on OSX /dev/tty.usbserial works for me ;)
Dec 29 01:58:00 <rmoriz> which device do you use in minicom? just use that
Dec 29 01:58:26 <rlmccormick> not sure there is any value in this, but you could open another terminal and push characters into /dev/ttyUSB0 to see if they appear in minicom
Dec 29 01:58:28 <tlab> I use /dev/ttyUSB1 sometimes ttyUSB2
Dec 29 01:59:07 <blueintegral> I've got rx, tx, and gnd going from the serial headers on the board to an FTDI cable and then into my laptop running ubuntu. Do I need to connect any more of the other serial pins?
Dec 29 01:59:09 <tlab> but I'm using a beaglebone
Dec 29 01:59:37 <rlmccormick> those three are all you need, you have hardware flow control off?
Dec 29 01:59:45 <blueintegral> in minicom, yeah
Dec 29 02:02:05 <rlmccormick> if you think it could be the cable you might short tx and rx and see if chars you type appear in minicom
Dec 29 02:08:23 <blueintegral> ok, shorting rx and tx on the cable echoed out what I typed
Dec 29 02:11:09 <rlmccormick> build the cable yourself? any chance rx and tx are swapped?
Dec 29 02:12:57 <blueintegral> yeah, I built the cable. When I hit reset on the board though, a bunch of gibberish shows up in minicom, which makes me think that rx and tx are right. I'll try swapping them though.
Dec 29 02:14:02 <thurbad> do you have flow control offf or on?
Dec 29 02:14:13 <rlmccormick> on the off chance that minicom isn't configured quite right perhaps you should give another tool like cutecom a shot...it is available in the ubuntu software center
Dec 29 02:14:40 <rlmccormick> not as nice as minicom but the configuration is in the gui and easy to see
Dec 29 02:16:03 <tlab> putty works, and so does picocom
Dec 29 02:25:41 <tlab> if I have a usb wifi that is a rtl8192cu, and I added rtl8192cu support in the kernel, what do I need beyond this for it to work?
Dec 29 02:29:24 <Russ> wpa-supplicant, connman, or network-manager
Dec 29 02:29:41 <tlab> if I do an ifconfig, there is no wlan0
Dec 29 02:29:47 <Russ> ifconfig -a
Dec 29 02:29:52 <Russ> you might need linux-firmware
Dec 29 02:30:28 <tlab> hrm, is that something I need to download, or select in the kernel config?
Dec 29 02:30:51 <rlmccormick> what toolchain are you using? 
Dec 29 02:31:35 <tlab> it's a beaglebone, so whatever it uses, arm-arago-linux-gnueabi ?
Dec 29 02:33:50 <rmoriz> tlab: is it a very small wifi dongle? like that one from this picture? https://skitch.com/rmoriz/gww21/foto-3
Dec 29 02:33:51 <Russ> linux-firmware is a package
Dec 29 02:34:17 <Russ> your kernel log will tell you if the module tried to load but didn't find firmware
Dec 29 02:34:53 <rmoriz> tlab: it may be a RTL8188CUS that gets recognized to a rtl8192cu in some cases
Dec 29 02:34:53 <Russ> /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
Dec 29 02:35:49 <tlab> it's a belkin n300 micro
Dec 29 02:36:51 <tlab> I don't have that file russ
Dec 29 02:37:00 <Russ> so you probably need the linux-firmware package
Dec 29 02:37:14 <tlab> so I install the linux-firmware package
Dec 29 02:37:53 <Russ> yup
Dec 29 02:38:03 <tlab> I have rtl8192defw.bin and rtl8192dsefw.bin
Dec 29 02:38:13 <tlab> no cufw
Dec 29 02:39:00 <rmoriz> i think you may have to build the kernel modules from realtek to get support for that recent chiptype
Dec 29 02:39:12 <Russ> I doubt it...
Dec 29 02:39:26 <Russ> did you look at your kernel messages yet?
Dec 29 02:40:06 <rmoriz> the CUS is just the small version of the CU and we had to. just sayin :)
Dec 29 02:40:18 <Russ> which kernel version though?
Dec 29 02:40:38 <tlab> messages? or dmesg ?
Dec 29 02:40:45 <Russ> dmesg
Dec 29 02:41:06 <tlab> [ 1611.314953] usb 1-1: new high speed USB device number 4 using musb-hdrc
Dec 29 02:41:07 <tlab> [ 1611.456304] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=050d, idProduct=2103
Dec 29 02:41:07 <tlab> [ 1611.456330] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Dec 29 02:41:07 <tlab> [ 1611.456349] usb 1-1: Product: Belkin Wireless Adapter
Dec 29 02:41:07 <tlab> [ 1611.456364] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: Realtek
Dec 29 02:41:07 <tlab> [ 1611.456377] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 00e04c000001
Dec 29 02:41:31 <rmoriz> "lsusb" may help, too
Dec 29 02:41:54 <tlab> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:5801 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 
Dec 29 02:42:18 <Russ> those don't match
Dec 29 02:42:22 <rmoriz> so it's not in your local usb-ids
Dec 29 02:42:28 <rmoriz> there a update-usbids or sth
Dec 29 02:42:35 <rmoriz> +is
Dec 29 02:42:44 <Russ> 'idVendor=050d, idProduct=2103' vs '0bda:5801'
Dec 29 02:43:21 <tlab> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 050d:2103 Belkin Components F7D2102 802.11n N300 Micro Wireless Adapter v3000 [Realtek RTL8192CU]
Dec 29 02:43:39 <rmoriz> that's better
Dec 29 02:44:00 * Russ sighs, 'USB_VENDER_ID_REALTEK'....
Dec 29 02:44:02 <tlab> so what do I need to do to get it to show up in ifconfig ?
Dec 29 02:44:30 <rmoriz> tlab: which kernel do you run?
Dec 29 02:44:37 <tlab> 3.1
Dec 29 02:44:49 <rmoriz> angstrom?
Dec 29 02:44:58 <tlab> angstrom yes
Dec 29 02:45:07 <rmoriz> sorry, no idea. switched to ubuntu
Dec 29 02:45:10 <Russ> modprobe rtl8192cu
Dec 29 02:45:17 <Russ> cd /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu
Dec 29 02:45:26 <rmoriz> that worked for me: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Oneiric_11.10
Dec 29 02:46:03 <Russ> echo 050d 2103 > new_id
Dec 29 02:46:05 <rmoriz> as I said, the kernel.org releases do not support newer realtek chips until 3.2
Dec 29 02:46:29 <Russ> git master doesn't have 050d:2103 anywhere
Dec 29 02:47:16 <tlab> it didn't like me echoing that lol
Dec 29 02:47:31 <Russ> what does it say?
Dec 29 02:47:48 <tlab> kernel crash maybe?
Dec 29 02:48:06 <tlab> unable to handle kernel null pointer dereference at virtual address
Dec 29 02:48:11 <Russ> bummer
Dec 29 02:48:14 <Russ> can you pastebin the backtrace?
Dec 29 02:48:18 <tlab> kernel: internal erro
Dec 29 02:48:59 <rlmccormick> ubuntu for beagle is on 3.x kernel?
Dec 29 02:49:02 <tlab> http://pastebin.com/3RUdEpsk
Dec 29 02:50:55 <rmoriz> rlmccormick: with the kernel from rcn-ee yes
Dec 29 02:51:18 <rmoriz> rlmccormick: Linux beagleboad 3.1.6-x6 #1 SMP Thu Dec 22 11:17:51 UTC 2011 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
Dec 29 02:51:36 <rmoriz> rlmccormick: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Oneiric_11.10
Dec 29 02:51:41 <rlmccormick> thx
Dec 29 02:52:03 <Russ> tlab, that is no joy
Dec 29 02:52:16 <Russ> tlab, you can try the same trick with a newer kernel or if you want try the oem driver
Dec 29 02:52:30 <rmoriz> rlmccormick: all credits to rcn => https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel
Dec 29 02:53:48 <Russ> http://lkml.org/lkml/2011/8/2/383
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Dec 29 03:04:29 <tlab> 2 day old rtl8192cu drivers woo
Dec 29 03:06:47 <rlmccormick> now that's fresh
Dec 29 03:13:59 <tlab> what is normally in dir /lib/modules/3.1.0+/build ?
Dec 29 03:18:55 <tlab> this angstrom does kinda suck, maybe I'll install ubuntu
Dec 29 03:22:49 <rlmccormick> what are the advantages of going to ubuntu?
Dec 29 03:22:59 <rlmccormick> better drivers in the kernel?
Dec 29 03:32:14 <mranostay> rlmccormick: i doubt that
Dec 29 03:32:59 <mranostay> angstrom guy works closely with TI
Dec 29 03:34:43 <rlmccormick> i see
Dec 29 03:35:36 <rlmccormick> anyone have a pointer to how to set the macc in the beagleboard? I have tried a method using ifconfig at command prompt but it doesn;t didn;t work
Dec 29 03:36:47 <rlmccormick> method was: ifconfig usb0 down, then ifconfig usb0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 up
Dec 29 03:37:20 <rlmccormick> the macc does change between the "down" and "up" but not to the value that was input
Dec 29 03:39:41 <Russ> what if you make the up a third step
Dec 29 03:39:47 <Russ> instead of combining it with hw ether
Dec 29 03:40:04 <rlmccormick> let me give that a shot
Dec 29 03:40:43 <rlmccormick> still comes back with something else after the ifconfig up
Dec 29 03:41:44 <rlmccormick> i even did the ifconfig usb0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 twice for good measure lol
Dec 29 04:22:06 <tlab> weird, couldn't get the ubuntu image to boot on the board, or atleast get anything on the serial port to show up
Dec 29 04:42:49 <Russ> tlab, it defaults to not output to serial
Dec 29 04:44:36 <tlab> well that doesn't make it easy for me to access lol
Dec 29 05:59:29 <ds2> wow, I managed to use up all the pins on the bone!
Dec 29 06:07:57 <ka6sox-away> ds2, want a medal?
Dec 29 06:11:12 <Russ_> crap, rcn-ee's stuff doesn't have # CONFIG_ATH9K is not set
Dec 29 06:11:46 <Russ_> or more specifically, ATH9K_HTC
Dec 29 06:16:18 <ds2> why not... can always use ballast :D
Dec 29 06:20:40 <Russ> friggin jerks
Dec 29 06:20:44 <Russ> '[103476.806148] ath: Country alpha2 being used: CN'
Dec 29 06:27:20 <ds2> Russ: I see you have relocated to another hemisphere 
Dec 29 06:29:44 <Russ> its a wireless dongle in english packaging
Dec 29 06:29:56 <Russ> it'd be nice if they region coded it properly so I didn't have to override it
Dec 29 06:37:31 <Russ> oi, you can't override it without much trouble , only intersect
Dec 29 06:51:03 <aholler_> hostapd runs with that
Dec 29 06:51:22 <ds2> there is probally a eeprom you can reprogram
Dec 29 06:51:40 <ds2> all that eeprom code float around might be leverageable
Dec 29 06:51:55 <aholler> I've wondered about that cn too ;)
Dec 29 06:56:30 <Russ> CN is mostly a superset of US at least, I think it has a lower power limit on 2.4GHz
Dec 29 06:56:33 <Russ> but I don't know what the columns mean
Dec 29 06:56:33 <aholler> country cn results in that channels 12, 13 and 14 are disabled.
Dec 29 06:57:07 <aholler> had to change this with some other early drivers too.
Dec 29 06:59:14 <aholler> and iw reg doesn't seem to work
Dec 29 07:03:51 <aholler> but having the source and beeing able to use a selfmade kernel helps a lot ;)
Dec 29 07:06:22 <perter-jim> hi, our DM37x product thought hdmi display,but test HDMI resolution compatible(720P), thw hsw from 40 to 0,  { 1280,  720,  74250,  40,  110,  220,  5,  5,  20 }, /*720P 60*/
Dec 29 07:06:28 <perter-jim> thanks
Dec 29 07:09:33 <perter-jim> DISPC_TIMING_H  reg write ok
Dec 29 07:20:04 <_av500_> what?
Dec 29 07:21:37 <_av500_> Russ: CN  has the most users, so it makes sense to default to .cn :)
Dec 29 07:21:51 <Russ> I feel so much better now
Dec 29 07:22:53 <_av500_> glad to have helped
Dec 29 07:56:27 <aholler> Russ__: http://www.fpaste.org/qU5w/
Dec 29 07:57:36 <aholler> the available codes are in regd.h:
Dec 29 08:00:38 <aholler> but iw list still shows channel 13 as disabled. need to have another look at it (later)
Dec 29 08:03:23 <aholler> iw reg doesn't change that too. I had such fun with a realtek-dongle too :/
Dec 29 08:03:44 <Russ__> iw reg just does an intersection of the two domains, not a change
Dec 29 08:03:48 <aholler> oh, and with an archos tablet, once ;)
Dec 29 08:10:02 <aholler> that rendered the tablet useless for a month until the next update because downgrades weren't possible ;)
Dec 29 08:18:22 <_av500_> how evil
Dec 29 08:26:15 <aholler> indeed
Dec 29 08:27:54 <pioj_> hi
Dec 29 08:29:30 <pioj_> could you recommend me a free hosting service? I have nowhere to host my project..
Dec 29 08:30:44 <aholler> isn't code.google.com free?
Dec 29 08:31:48 <aholler> http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/GettingStarted
Dec 29 08:32:05 <aholler> or good old sourceforge
Dec 29 08:33:45 <John> Hello, testing 1 2 3 ...
Dec 29 08:33:45 <pioj_> I'm not used to code.google yet. I was thinking more of a devlog for that..
Dec 29 08:36:44 <_av500_> github?
Dec 29 08:36:48 <_av500_> gitorious?
Dec 29 08:37:08 <_av500_> they have blag functions too
Dec 29 08:53:36 <John> Greetings, it is 3:34 AM in Michigan. This is my first time connecting on IRC and on beagle.
Dec 29 09:04:50 <_av500_> good
Dec 29 09:16:33 <LetoThe2nd> möin
Dec 29 09:17:16 <koen> moin moin
Dec 29 09:36:17 <fgau> moin moin from 28c3
Dec 29 09:39:46 <mru> møïn
Dec 29 09:43:27 <dm8tbr> moo
Dec 29 09:43:36 * dm8tbr didn't make it to c3, once again
Dec 29 09:47:22 <mru> their timing is the worst possible
Dec 29 09:49:29 <dm8tbr> but at least they're consistent, it's always like that
Dec 29 12:50:25 <l4> hey, is it actually "safe" to use rw rootfs from nand for an embedded device?
Dec 29 12:50:50 <l4> i've several common initscripts creating /etc/network/run/ifstate etc.
Dec 29 12:51:21 <woglinde> o.O
Dec 29 12:51:27 <woglinde> use a tmpfs for run stuff
Dec 29 12:51:32 <woglinde> inside ram
Dec 29 12:57:48 <l4> right, this is more of a general question though
Dec 29 12:58:15 <l4> does that mean such small things could possibly make problems sooner or later?
Dec 29 12:59:13 <rmoriz> re
Dec 29 12:59:35 <rmoriz> srsly people think about hosting an OSS project not with github? okay, if you hate contributors...
Dec 29 13:00:45 <rmoriz> i also second that angstrom vs ubuntu. why force people to investigate an obscure remix-distribution because they want to hack on nice boards?
Dec 29 13:01:09 <rmoriz> i think linaro did the right decision
Dec 29 13:02:06 <rmoriz> i had a lot of trouble with the systemd stuff of angstrom. all the documentation of that is hosted at lennarts server which was down last week for a couple of days. also it's like "distributed" over 20+ man pages
Dec 29 13:02:26 <rmoriz> sure it may be the future. but how is it relevant for beagleboard/bones at the moment?
Dec 29 13:03:28 <rmoriz> aren't the limited resources, the different cpu archichtecture and the hacking around the hardware enough "uncertancy"? why put another one on top that brings imho not many features
Dec 29 13:03:50 <mru> why force people to use a bloated osx-wannabe distro ill-suited to small dev boards?
Dec 29 13:04:21 <rmoriz> because most people know it already. use fedora if you hate ubuntu
Dec 29 13:04:41 <rmoriz> but angstrom is like a reinvented wheel that's square
Dec 29 13:05:20 <rmoriz> e.g. how many people asked about eth0 not coming up on the beaglebone image of november? how many people have serious problems compiling a driver for their wifi stick?
Dec 29 13:06:10 <mru> who are you trying to troll?
Dec 29 13:06:26 <rmoriz> why do u think i am?
Dec 29 13:06:36 <rmoriz> just read the mailinglist archive
Dec 29 13:06:44 <mru> fyi, you're not very good at it
Dec 29 13:06:54 <rmoriz> angstrom feels like familiar in 2001
Dec 29 13:07:02 <rmoriz> sorry to say that...
Dec 29 13:07:33 <mru> you'te free to have any opinion
Dec 29 13:07:52 <mru> but your attitude is unpleasant
Dec 29 13:08:20 <rmoriz> as far as i can see angstrom can be used with sysvinit so the systemd decision is not indispensable?
Dec 29 13:08:53 <rmoriz> also regarding osx-ish…. well. no. that would be trolling.
Dec 29 13:10:02 <mru> in attitude mote than actual imitation
Dec 29 13:10:16 <mru> *more
Dec 29 13:11:41 <rmoriz> they have a large and helpful community. and a big amount of tutorials
Dec 29 13:17:00 <jkridner_> koen: I just debugged readUint16BE on the eeprom2 branch.
Dec 29 13:19:16 <woglinde> rmoritz better you start your own project
Dec 29 13:19:21 <jkridner_> koen: http://pastebin.com/XZQ680e8
Dec 29 13:20:22 <woglinde> and build a large and hepful community around it with big ammount of tutorials 
Dec 29 13:21:34 <woglinde> rmoriz and you lack some knowledge of history
Dec 29 13:21:52 <woglinde> rmoriz first task would be since when oe can do crosscompiling and since when ubuntu
Dec 29 13:22:00 <woglinde> +to find out
Dec 29 13:22:33 <Crofton|work> woglinde, do not argue with the trolls :)
Dec 29 13:22:57 <woglinde> crofton am I am eating icecream
Dec 29 13:22:59 <woglinde> so its okay
Dec 29 13:23:07 <rmoriz> ok. please ignore all my opinions. just count the questions people ask on the mailinglist
Dec 29 13:24:07 <woglinde> dear sir, i am rukunushiki please teach me linux.
Dec 29 13:24:09 <rmoriz> if you think angstrom is better, than just make it clearer, deliver examples, point people to the right directions.
Dec 29 13:24:45 <woglinde> better than what?
Dec 29 13:24:55 <woglinde> better in which terms?
Dec 29 13:25:01 <woglinde> angstroem does what I want
Dec 29 13:26:38 <woglinde> but yeah it was poor try, at the end of the year
Dec 29 13:28:15 <dm8tbr> woglinde: angstrom clearly needs more youtube videos and more cowbell!
Dec 29 13:28:43 <woglinde> cowbell?
Dec 29 13:29:25 <dm8tbr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mie9hhQTUM - you asked for it :)
Dec 29 13:33:39 <Crofton|work> We trully need more youtubes videos and stuff
Dec 29 13:33:44 <Crofton|work> and a little more cowbell
Dec 29 13:36:59 <vhold> I think we're having really basic issues, like right now the latest OS image being hosted appears to be an incomplete  or corrupt file.
Dec 29 13:37:29 <vhold> and the other image has the eth0 problems.. so right now.. anybody coming in new to beaglebone is probably going to prolly experience significant pain
Dec 29 13:37:47 <vhold> and it's been that way for around a month
Dec 29 13:37:52 <vhold> unless I'm mistaken
Dec 29 13:38:34 <rmoriz> exact
Dec 29 13:48:27 <knotty> as newcomer i read with interest
Dec 29 13:49:19 <vhold> corrupt image discussion : http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/9cebaea1dbadc04e
Dec 29 13:51:02 <mru> the bone is a new board
Dec 29 13:51:04 <vhold> There is a person saying it worked for them : http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/9e5443c830eb4eb6/37afbf30b54c8e08?lnk=gst&q=eth0#37afbf30b54c8e08 at the bottom of that thread
Dec 29 13:52:00 <mru> it always takes a month or two for things to stabilise
Dec 29 13:53:06 <rmoriz> i'm still getting a different md5sum via s3
Dec 29 13:53:33 <vhold> yea I downloaded it from both places, got the wrong md5sum and the file won't decompress properly so I'm not going to install it 
Dec 29 13:55:17 <rmoriz> vhold: didn't another person also say, that he was not able to recreate the image file according to the commands that are specified on http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html ?
Dec 29 13:55:40 <vhold> I tried some time ago and failed as well
Dec 29 13:57:18 <vhold> I've mostly decided to shelf my beaglebone for now, I had ps3 eye working at one point and now that is broken too, so I think I'll try to let the dust clear a bit
Dec 29 13:58:42 <vhold> the best experience I had was using the image it shipped with, for about a week before an update broke things
Dec 29 14:01:35 <woglinde> .o(*g*)
Dec 29 14:02:54 <jkridner_> vhold: you can get back to the original by downloading that image.  there is a file that has the git commit IDs used to produce the image to make sure it is reproducible.
Dec 29 14:03:09 <jkridner_> I forget the name of the file right now.  something like /etc/angstrom-version
Dec 29 14:04:24 <jkridner_> found it: /etc/angstrom-build-info
Dec 29 14:04:33 <vhold> if I do that will I be able to use opkg to install anything new ?
Dec 29 14:04:39 <vhold> or will it require an update and break itself?
Dec 29 14:05:20 <jkridner_> sure, you would still be able to do 'opkg install XYZ' for new packages...
Dec 29 14:05:37 <woglinde> I still wonder what break
Dec 29 14:05:41 <jkridner_> of course, if you just want a working image where you can download prebuilt binaries, you should just download the prebuilt image....
Dec 29 14:06:06 <jkridner_> the tags are just useful if you want to rebuild from source and work from there.
Dec 29 14:06:39 <jkridner_> the mainline is known to have breakage that might last 3-4 days, so having tags of a known-working image is important.
Dec 29 14:07:31 <jkridner_> I'm not sure why 'opkg update; opkg upgrade' sometimes causes problems.  I've always avoided it and instead relied on new images when I want to do major updates (and opkg install when I just want to add a package).
Dec 29 14:08:11 <jkridner_> it would be nice to get more info on these 'opkg upgrade' breakages.
Dec 29 14:25:42 <rmoriz> is there a bugtracker? or some way to report this?
Dec 29 14:25:52 <rmoriz> should one edit a wiki page etc?
Dec 29 14:28:56 <jkridner_> rmoriz: the mailing lists are archived.  best to report issues there.
Dec 29 14:31:02 <rmoriz> jkridner_: i guess at the moment a couple of users try to download the image over and over because of the md5sum problem. maybe you can drop a short note about the issue and recommend using the older image?
Dec 29 14:31:37 * jkridner_ checks list for md5sum issues.
Dec 29 14:31:50 <rmoriz> also, the software-fix regarding the eth0… is there a workaround someone can easily apply on the old release? that would help users
Dec 29 14:33:53 <rmoriz> also, is there anything angstrom can do to fix their server latency? i know it's hosted at hetzner, as all my servers are. but it seems quite slow.
Dec 29 14:34:05 <rmoriz> unusual slow
Dec 29 14:37:03 <vhold> jkridner: that worked.  I reverted to the old image, and did only an opkg update, no upgrade, and now my ps3 eye and eth0 are working again. thanks
Dec 29 14:42:22 <tlab> I'm getting 3.5 kB/s downloading, this is stupid slow
Dec 29 14:42:41 <jkridner_> http://beagleboard.org/angstrom should point to a mirror.
Dec 29 14:43:40 <tlab> that just points to amazon s3 which is slow also
Dec 29 14:44:17 <vhold> s3 was really fast for me
Dec 29 14:44:47 <tlab> s3 isn't showing a full size image
Dec 29 14:45:05 <jkridner_> 176MB for the 12/26 image
Dec 29 14:45:09 <tlab> 176M
Dec 29 14:45:19 <vhold> The 12/26 image is bad everywhere as far as we can tell
Dec 29 14:45:23 <vhold> I downloaded it from both places, same thing 
Dec 29 14:45:24 <tlab> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ shows 192M
Dec 29 14:45:59 <jkridner_> jason@Jasons-MacBook-Air ~ $ md5sum ~/Downloads/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.12-core-beaglebone-2011.12.26.img.gz
Dec 29 14:46:00 <jkridner_> 3561f2a0c85c46c48151d6f13f33b392  /Users/jason/Downloads/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.12-core-beaglebone-2011.12.26.img.gz
Dec 29 14:46:15 <jkridner_> :(
Dec 29 14:46:27 <jkridner_> doesn't match http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/md5sums
Dec 29 14:47:47 <jkridner_> that md5sum matches what I have on the server.
Dec 29 14:47:54 <jkridner_> so, it wasn't a download problem.
Dec 29 14:48:18 <tlab> s3 image is smaller than the angstrom?
Dec 29 14:48:29 <jkridner_> jason@Jasons-MacBook-Air ~ $ md5sum ~/Downloads/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone-2011.11.16.img.gz 
Dec 29 14:48:29 <jkridner_> 6ee2047d360f32abfd88058c7a98b8d7  /Users/jason/Downloads/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone-2011.11.16.img.gz
Dec 29 14:49:29 * jkridner_ isn't getting www.angstrom-distribution.org to reply to check.
Dec 29 14:50:36 <tlab> need a torrent or better mirror of image
Dec 29 14:50:45 <vhold> hmm they do disagree now on size and timestamp
Dec 29 14:50:46 <tlab> 3.2 kB is a joke
Dec 29 14:51:17 <vhold> maybe that server -is- a beaglebone :)
Dec 29 14:51:39 <tlab> my download is getting slower and slower, it's probably dead
Dec 29 14:51:54 <jkridner_> k, I ssh'd into the server.  I confirm that the mirror'd image is busted.
Dec 29 14:52:11 * jkridner_ updates the mirror.
Dec 29 14:52:55 <tlab> ok 2.1MB/s is better on the nov image
Dec 29 14:56:17 <jkridner_> new mirror update ETA is about 7 hours. :(
Dec 29 14:56:33 * jkridner_ needs to find a way to get priority bandwidth to that server or something.
Dec 29 14:57:49 <vhold> is it really being slammed that hard right now?
Dec 29 14:58:09 <jkridner_> dunno.  just know it is slow.  the cpu load on the server isn't very high.
Dec 29 14:58:17 <rmoriz> i wonder why it's so slow…really…i know a lot of high-traffic/bandwidth sites at hetzner and they don't have a problem
Dec 29 14:58:25 <rmoriz> e.g. 28c3 livestreaming
Dec 29 14:58:43 <rmoriz> is it a buildbox, too?
Dec 29 14:58:51 <rmoriz> ok cpu load low.. hm..
Dec 29 14:59:22 <tlab> when I download the dec image it's slow
Dec 29 14:59:31 <tlab> when I download the nov image it's fast
Dec 29 15:00:13 <rmoriz> tlab: i cant even connect to www.angstrom-distribution.org right now :(
Dec 29 15:00:27 <rmoriz> max connection limit reached? httpd config?
Dec 29 15:01:14 <tlab> yea I can't reach it either now
Dec 29 15:02:08 <rmoriz> the provider may reduce the bandwidth to 10mbit/s if you reach 1.5TB traffic/month and don't opt to a per-TB pricing plan. but that does not explain the connection timeouts i guess
Dec 29 15:02:26 <tlab> I was getting mixed up
Dec 29 15:02:32 <tlab> s3 site is fast
Dec 29 15:03:03 <rmoriz> is the raid broken maybe? one disk failing?
Dec 29 15:03:06 <tlab> angstrom site is slow, but it had a full image size of 192M, but was super slow
Dec 29 15:04:41 <rmoriz> Server: Apache/2.2.9 probably not the best http for file delivery
Dec 29 15:06:12 <rmoriz> 2011-12-29 15:55:59 (11.0 MB/s) - `Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone-2011.11.16.img.gz' saved [201827350/201827350]
Dec 29 15:06:23 <rmoriz> from the same colo. after ~5mins waiting
Dec 29 15:06:34 <rmoriz> so i guess max connection limitation in apache
Dec 29 15:14:40 <vhold> if you have apache /server-status configured you might be able to check that to see if that's the case
Dec 29 15:16:01 <rmoriz> if you want to scale with money, they've recently introduced a new server line ;-) http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex
Dec 29 15:17:56 <rmoriz> for existing customers in good standing they deliver new servers in a couple of minutes (fully automated). shameless self-promo https://github.com/rmoriz/hetzner-bootstrap  https://github.com/rmoriz/hetzner-api ;)
Dec 29 15:26:11 <dv_> hello
Dec 29 15:26:37 <dv_> I am searching for some small hobbyist linux board like the beagleboard, I wanna use it as a print server, so I do not need something as full-featured as the beagleboard. just an RJ45 port and a USB-A port would be enough. any recommendations?
Dec 29 15:26:50 <dv_> it would feel like a waste to use a beagleboard-xm just for this
Dec 29 15:28:06 <rmoriz> dv_:  do you want to run your own software on it?
Dec 29 15:28:27 <dv_> well , yeah, I want to customize the rootfs
Dec 29 15:28:40 <dv_> but I do not want to run custom written stuff if thats what you mean
Dec 29 15:28:51 <rmoriz> dv_: e.g. there are some "black box" print servers on the market that are quite cheap but not if you want to run your own os/software
Dec 29 15:28:51 <dv_> a small rootfs + cups should do
Dec 29 15:29:22 <dv_> I already have one, and it is not working. the real problem is that I cannot look into any logfile etc. so it is not possible to pinpoint the exact cause of the error
Dec 29 15:29:31 <dv_> which is why I want something like the beagleboard instead
Dec 29 15:29:49 <dv_> fyi, i have been using a PSUS4
Dec 29 15:30:45 <rmoriz> i guess you could use a beaglebone but i also guess it's not designed for that ;)
Dec 29 15:31:14 <rmoriz> if it's just to become a "dumb box in a corner" it's a waste imho
Dec 29 15:31:21 <dv_> I agree
Dec 29 15:31:31 <dv_> I like the look of http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox , but it too is too powerful
Dec 29 15:32:42 <rmoriz> don't you have an old wifi-accesspoint that can be opened?
Dec 29 15:32:55 <dv_> picotux looks awesome, but it doesnt have usb :|
Dec 29 15:32:56 <rmoriz> WRT56G or something?
Dec 29 15:33:20 <dv_> hmm no
Dec 29 15:33:32 <dv_> and unfortunately, the psus4 hardware is too limited
Dec 29 15:33:48 <rmoriz> dv_: http://beagleboard.org/bone ?
Dec 29 15:34:40 <vhold> Is the sheevaplug still around?
Dec 29 15:34:51 <dv_> psus4 has 1MB RAM and 4MB flash
Dec 29 15:35:24 <rmoriz> vhold: afaik they would be lucky to have something like angstrom ;)
Dec 29 15:36:21 <rmoriz> i've a dreamplug but as it's ARMv5? v6? you're quit limited in distribution support. also it seemed to me that the community is …inactive…
Dec 29 15:36:31 <rmoriz> ah damn english. sorry
Dec 29 15:36:54 <dv_> oh yes, raspberry pi also looks nice
Dec 29 15:37:00 <dv_> if it comes out
Dec 29 15:37:22 <rmoriz> dv_: same thing as with sheeva-based plugs
Dec 29 15:37:34 <rmoriz> dv_: that's why the gonna use Fedora ARM iirc
Dec 29 15:37:38 <rmoriz> +y
Dec 29 15:37:59 <rmoriz> ok. for your limited use case no problem i guess
Dec 29 15:39:28 <rmoriz> dv_: but times will be interesting especially if http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ can be made
Dec 29 15:41:04 <rmoriz> <3 vapor ware ;)
Dec 29 15:43:46 <vhold> It would appear that beaglebone does have the advantage of existing 
Dec 29 15:45:21 <rmoriz> yes. sure. sorry i was talking about the allwinner + for some amount raspberry
Dec 29 15:46:17 <rmoriz> i have no idea about the solid-run thing. it's "sold out" for whatever that means?
Dec 29 15:46:38 <rmoriz> dv_:  get a BeagleBone :)
Dec 29 15:48:54 <tlab> beaglebone for a print server? why not just get a new printer
Dec 29 15:52:22 <rmoriz> tlab: hopefully no Xerox or everyone can memory-dump you printer's memory with a postscript request http://ondemand.28c3.fem-net.de/events/4871.html
Dec 29 15:54:24 <dv_> tlab: my hl1430 has been working fine, I do not throw away hardware unless I absolutely have to
Dec 29 15:54:35 <dv_> or until the hardware cannot fulfill my needs anymore
Dec 29 15:56:35 <tlab> the printer manufacture doesn't have a print server?
Dec 29 15:57:02 <John> Hello.
Dec 29 15:57:25 <rmoriz> hi
Dec 29 16:01:39 <JohnBabrick> anyone know if there is a problem with the Angstrom server?
Dec 29 16:03:41 * jkridner_ updated angstrom demo image mirror.
Dec 29 16:04:24 <tlab> the mirror is still only 176M instead of 192M?
Dec 29 16:08:03 <jkridner_> that is just the index.htm
Dec 29 16:08:08 <jkridner_> the file is actually 192M.
Dec 29 16:08:11 <tlab> oh
Dec 29 16:08:47 <rmoriz> jkridner_: do you also take care of angstrom-distribution.org?
Dec 29 16:15:34 <rmoriz> hello rcn-ee :)
Dec 29 16:15:55 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: with your latest image my Edimax wifi works!
Dec 29 16:16:06 <rcn-ee> hi rmoriz, cool? really? awesome
Dec 29 16:16:29 <rmoriz> yes. there are two minor issues
Dec 29 16:16:31 <rcn-ee> (but it didn't work last week with psp3 right?)
Dec 29 16:16:35 <rmoriz> (yes)
Dec 29 16:17:07 <rmoriz> if you take the interface down it will not come up again unless you rmmod rtl8192cu / modprobe rtl8192cu
Dec 29 16:17:27 <rmoriz> and AP mode seems not to work
Dec 29 16:18:07 <rmoriz> FYI i tried it this time on a BeagleBoard C5
Dec 29 16:18:39 <rcn-ee> ah, so it still might not work on the bone?
Dec 29 16:18:57 <rmoriz> let me try it
Dec 29 16:19:32 <rcn-ee> with my images, the beagle would actually be running mailine v3.1.6.. (different then the bone)
Dec 29 16:32:13 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: on the bone it's still not working… Linux omap 3.1.0-psp3 #1 SMP Fri Dec 23 10:44:55 UTC 2011 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
Dec 29 16:34:49 <vhold> writing 2011.12.26 image now.  http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html  is the direct link to the mirror if anybody is having trouble getting there
Dec 29 16:36:51 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: at least i can get networking to my BeagleBoard :)
Dec 29 16:38:24 <rmoriz> rcn-ee: dmesg output https://gist.github.com/1534857
Dec 29 16:41:19 <rmoriz> ok. i'm afk for today. see you tomorrow!
Dec 29 16:56:46 <vhold> Hmm, well, the new beaglebone image comes up for me, I had to reset it once for dropbear to come online.. but the ps3 eye is still busted.. the stock image I backed up from the stick does work
Dec 29 16:57:15 <vhold> this image loads the kernel module for it, recognizes it as a v4l2 device.. but when I attempt to read /dev/video0, it just hangs
Dec 29 16:59:03 <vhold> they both report the exact same thing with v4l2-ctl --all
Dec 29 17:45:20 <jmax_> hello everybody my name is maxime and I am french sorry for my poor english
Dec 29 17:46:38 <jmax_> my beagle board not booting 
Dec 29 17:46:47 <jmax_> and only led D14 are turn on 
Dec 29 17:49:03 <mranostay> jmax_: you have the SD card in right :)
Dec 29 17:52:57 <jmax_> Yes, i can't wrong no ? for plug SD card 
Dec 29 18:09:49 <huntedman> hi
Dec 29 18:18:03 <EasyAt> hullo
Dec 29 18:39:17 <emeb> OK, so here's a little bit of disappointment: serial MIDI won't work on the OMAP without writing a new kernel driver.
Dec 29 18:39:50 <emeb> ALSA serial MIDI depends on the snd-serial-16550 module which is exclusively tied to PC architecture machines.
Dec 29 18:40:27 <koen> gpio-midi?
Dec 29 18:40:42 <emeb> Such a thing exist?
Dec 29 18:40:53 <emeb> ie does ALSA support it out-of-box>
Dec 29 18:40:58 <emeb> s/>/?/
Dec 29 18:41:06 * koen doesn't know
Dec 29 18:41:41 <emeb> It's too bad that ALSA wants to talk directly to the UART hardware and can't just use the /dev/tty0x ports that OMAP provides.
Dec 29 18:47:23 <koen> I suspect a gpio-midi driver is easier to write than a generic uart one
Dec 29 18:47:29 <koen> but I'm no coder :)
Dec 29 18:47:40 <emeb> you keep saying that :)
Dec 29 18:49:10 <emeb> FWIW - managed to get SPI0 working. That means I'm set for when the FPGA cape shows up.
Dec 29 18:50:36 <emeb> oh wait - there's ttymidi.
Dec 29 18:51:31 <emeb> might be able to shim that into doing what I need...
Dec 29 18:51:37 <emeb> http://www.varal.org/ttymidi/
Dec 29 18:52:11 <emeb> looks like it works entirely in userland though.
Dec 29 18:54:41 <prpplague> koen: DiP minus the murders is basically my first year on the island, thanks again!
Dec 29 19:14:50 <nascentmind> Hi. I am having some problem with bluetooth. I have a written a small server program in bluez which accepts a connection and after that sends a data stream to a phone. When I connect the dongle to the pc it works but when I connect to a beagle board it doesn't and simply disconnects. I have paired successfully.  What seems to be the problem?
Dec 29 19:15:49 <woglinde> nascentmind try other bt services first
Dec 29 19:17:15 <nascentmind> woglinde, what bt services?  I am kind of a newbie in this.
Dec 29 19:17:55 <nascentmind> woglinde, I have tried transferring a file and it works. also a simple program which sends a string works too.
Dec 29 19:19:44 <woglinde> ah
Dec 29 19:19:52 <woglinde> so bt is working in general
Dec 29 19:22:42 <nascentmind> woglinde, yes. I am not sure if an rf channel is being occupied.
Dec 29 19:23:03 <nascentmind> woglinde, I cannot seem to connect to rfchannel 1. I can do from 2 onwards.
Dec 29 19:23:19 <nascentmind> woglinde, also I notice that the service class is different from my pc and beagle.
Dec 29 19:24:03 <nascentmind> woglinde, in beagle rf channel 1 is occupied by dial up networking. I removed it using sdptool del but still not able to connect.
Dec 29 19:25:16 <woglinde> hm sorry than I have no idea
Dec 29 19:26:33 <beagleboner> > C:\Windows\system32\mswinsck.ocx version: 6.0.89.88 : Installer Version is: 6.0.89.88
Dec 29 19:26:34 <beagleboner> > C:\Windows\system32\mscomctl.ocx version = 6.1.98.18 : Installer Version is: 6.1.97.86
Dec 29 19:26:34 <beagleboner> > C:\Windows\system32\msscript.ocx version = 1.0.7600.16385 : Installer Version is: 1.0.0.4615
Dec 29 19:26:34 <beagleboner> > C:\Windows\system32\msvbvm60.dll version = 6.0.98.15 : Installer Version is: 6.0.97.82
Dec 29 19:27:21 <mranostay> er ok :)
Dec 29 19:27:22 <aholler> nascentmind: git clone git://gitorious.org/bluez-tools/bluez-tools.git
Dec 29 19:27:42 <nascentmind> aholler, is that a known problem?
Dec 29 19:27:45 <aholler> bt-swiss-army-knife for the command-line
Dec 29 19:27:52 <mranostay> beagleboner: wtf is that?
Dec 29 19:28:10 <aholler> nascentmind: no, bt works without any problems
Dec 29 19:28:34 <aholler> at least here
Dec 29 19:28:43 <nascentmind> aholler, i am using bluez tools right now.  Why do I need to pick from git.
Dec 29 19:28:49 <beagleboner> sorry, using IceChat, I selected view dll versions and the program goes and spits out that info in the forum screen, i agree wtf
Dec 29 19:28:56 <nascentmind> aholler, I am using nelsons ubuntu.
Dec 29 19:29:01 <aholler> didn't know that you know them
Dec 29 19:35:15 <nascentmind> aholler, Does some other service occupying the channel cause problems?
Dec 29 19:43:39 <aholler> maybe that explains some of the problems: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/events/4680.en.html
Dec 29 19:44:05 <aholler> (web-server-problems)
Dec 29 19:44:40 <aholler> nascentmind: since when can serial lines be shared?
Dec 29 19:45:23 <nascentmind> aholler, no it cannot. so i removed the service using sdptool.
Dec 29 19:46:02 <koen> prpplague: heh, hard to picture you in a woolen suit :)
Dec 29 19:47:10 <prpplague> koen: well you know my affinity for dress shirt and pants, hehe
Dec 29 19:47:45 <prpplague> koen: and my mother-in-law is just like the other detectives mother
Dec 29 19:47:49 <mranostay> what is this suit thing people talk about? :)
Dec 29 19:47:50 <koen> I sure do
Dec 29 19:48:10 <prpplague> koen: and the birthday thing
Dec 29 19:48:20 <prpplague> koen: they take their birthday stuff seriously
Dec 29 19:48:26 <koen> heh
Dec 29 19:48:44 <koen> I stopped taking mine seriously when I was in primary school
Dec 29 19:48:51 <koen> FWIW, my birthday was yesterday
Dec 29 19:48:58 <koen> smack in the middle of xmas holidays
Dec 29 19:49:02 <prpplague> koen: hehe
Dec 29 19:49:32 <prpplague> koen: i had an incident with the "chicken soup" with my mother-in-law as well
Dec 29 19:49:37 <_av500_> koen: congrats on being close to retirement
Dec 29 19:49:45 <_av500_> closer
Dec 29 19:49:58 <mranostay> _av500_: only 30 years out? :)
Dec 29 19:50:02 <djlewis> koen: now only water might be older than you :)
Dec 29 19:50:22 <_av500_> mranostay: one has to plan in advance
Dec 29 19:50:35 * _av500_ registers #grumpyoldmen
Dec 29 19:51:31 <prpplague> _av500_: do i get to be an admin?
Dec 29 19:51:40 <koen> retirement age in .nl is getting bumped to 67
Dec 29 19:51:46 <mranostay> _av500_: don't forget to invite panto :P
Dec 29 19:51:47 <koen> so 38 years to go
Dec 29 19:52:22 <aholler> here too, that means getting rich or working until death
Dec 29 19:52:22 <prpplague> people keep using these words like vacation and retirement, i have no clue what those are......
Dec 29 19:52:32 * mranostay checks what the USA one is now
Dec 29 19:53:19 * panto kicks mr
Dec 29 19:53:22 * panto kicks mranostay 
Dec 29 19:53:23 <_av500_> prpplague: vacation is like working from home but you go to another place to do it
Dec 29 19:53:30 <koen> mranostay: death, most likely
Dec 29 19:53:34 <mranostay> 67 atm so i can expect that to be 87 by the time i'm 67 :)
Dec 29 19:53:46 <_av500_> mranostay: there will be pills
Dec 29 19:53:53 <koen> _av500_: like working from the local starbucks?
Dec 29 19:54:08 <_av500_> koen: has it been vacated?
Dec 29 19:54:14 * koen was tempted to say "local coffeeshop", but the germans will misinterpret that
Dec 29 19:54:34 <prpplague> _av500_: ahh
Dec 29 19:55:20 <_av500_> prpplague: or to put like that, after each weekend, i take a 5day vacation at the office :)
Dec 29 19:55:22 <aholler> there are normal coffee shops in the netherlands?
Dec 29 19:55:27 <aholler> ;)
Dec 29 19:55:49 <koen> aholler: a statistically insignificant number
Dec 29 19:56:03 <_av500_> koen: been to both?
Dec 29 19:56:08 <prpplague> _av500_: hehe
Dec 29 19:56:19 <koen> I know of 2 proper coffee shops in the city where I live (160k inhabitants)
Dec 29 19:56:48 <koen> I pass 10 coffeeshops for germans on the way there
Dec 29 19:57:17 * koen only visits downtown on saturday when it's being overrun by germans
Dec 29 19:57:45 <aholler> to be not seen by neighbors? ;)
Dec 29 19:57:50 <koen> parent drop kids at coffeeshop at arrival and pick them up when they leave
Dec 29 19:58:10 <_av500_> makes for a peaceful drive home
Dec 29 19:58:24 <koen> no economic downturn here as long as germany doesn't have one :)
Dec 29 19:59:09 <koen> our goverment figured out you can collect tax on softdrugs if you legalize them
Dec 29 19:59:23 <koen> like prostitution
Dec 29 19:59:43 <_av500_> ah, explains why they sell gasoline openly here
Dec 29 20:23:09 <AppleBone> hello, I have tried to google it, but i have no luck. .. I am working with the gcc on the beagle bone and I love to edit on TextMate. I want to transfer files simply and quickly. Is NFS a good choice? 
Dec 29 20:23:55 <AppleBone> (i am using snow leopard)
Dec 29 20:24:02 <aholler> git is better
Dec 29 20:25:23 <AppleBone> @aholer: where to install the server? Mac, Bone or elsewhere? 
Dec 29 20:25:28 <woglinde> use a cross compiler and you can quickly transfer binaries via scp
Dec 29 20:25:36 <jay6981> AppleBone: rsync
Dec 29 20:25:44 <aholler> enable ssh, edit and commit your changes to a local git, git push, go remote, compile
Dec 29 20:26:05 <woglinde> hm looks like bone draws a lot of people which aren't have low embedded knowledge
Dec 29 20:26:07 <aholler> or rsync, it's easy too
Dec 29 20:26:12 <woglinde> args
Dec 29 20:26:20 <woglinde> have low knowledge
Dec 29 20:26:31 <woglinde> ti should have selled it for 100 bucks
Dec 29 20:28:22 <emeb> anybody know why so many of the AM33XX GPIO names are missing from the list in arch/arm/mach-omap2/mux33xx.h?
Dec 29 20:28:28 <aholler> the topic should contain a pointer to linux tutorials along with a note that this channel isn't right place to ask basic linux stuff
Dec 29 20:28:55 <jay6981> cloud9's fault probably
Dec 29 20:31:34 <woglinde> and I really wonder what they do on it
Dec 29 20:31:43 <woglinde> it has no display out of the box
Dec 29 20:32:55 <AppleBone> @aholler thank you ... i have new keywords to search and learn. .. good bone tutorials would be great  ... bye 
Dec 29 20:34:58 <aholler> AppleBone: look at some linux tutorials, not bone tutorials
Dec 29 20:36:36 <jay6981> there was one guy on here bitching that there was no ruby gem for GPIO
Dec 29 20:37:00 <woglinde> lol
Dec 29 20:37:01 <jay6981> couldn't be bothered to learn shell or the sysfs interface either
Dec 29 20:39:05 <koen> AppleBone: I use macfuse + sshfs
Dec 29 20:42:44 <AppleBone> (the thing is .. that your are not knowing with general tutorial will pay of ... because you never can avoid hours of fiddling with flags ... but i guess the keywords will help ... thanks again)  
Dec 29 20:57:38 <djlewis> nobody sent me a free beaglebone :(
Dec 29 20:59:18 <dsoto> can anyone tell me the right way to read /sys/devices/platform/tsc/ain* in python?
Dec 29 20:59:57 <dsoto> when i try to use open('<analog port>'), sometimes i get \x00 bytes.  while cat in unix is fine.
Dec 29 21:00:15 <dsoto> should i be reading them as binary or text or other?
Dec 29 21:16:38 <dsoto> or where can i find out more information about how these ports are read by the unix system?
Dec 29 21:17:45 <tlab> ti sdk or psp for the am335x ?
Dec 29 21:26:29 <dsoto> tlab: great link.  thanks.
Dec 29 21:31:29 <emeb> building a kernel - why does it insist on running the config process even though I've already run make menuconfig, or make oldconfig?
Dec 29 21:32:54 <prpplague> emeb: generally it checks the checking, but usually it will do a complete config process if some of your envirnoment variables have changes, or the time/date stamps are incorrect
Dec 29 21:33:05 <prpplague> s/checking/config
Dec 29 21:35:22 <emeb> prpplague: thnx. Can't think why the env vars would change
Dec 29 21:35:40 <emeb> prpplague: and since I did a make menuconfig shouldn't that have covered it?
Dec 29 21:36:09 <emeb> always thought make config = make menuconfig as far as the build was concerned...
Dec 29 21:37:18 <prpplague> emeb: yes, basically they are the same, just the menuconfig has the option tree menus
Dec 29 21:37:58 <emeb> prpplague: well, I let it run the text config and answered defaults for everything. Fingers crossed...
Dec 29 21:38:10 <emeb> at least it's running now.
Dec 29 21:38:17 <emeb> s/running/compiling/
Dec 29 21:38:35 <djlewis> using cpu cycles is it ;)
Dec 29 21:39:03 <emeb> djlewis: heh - that's the only measure of success at this point in the process
Dec 29 21:39:39 <emeb> *BOOM* - no dice.
Dec 29 21:40:11 <emeb> probably have to let oe start from scratch on the kernel
Dec 29 21:40:47 <djlewis> well, i hear if you do a initial build all then it is far quicker down the line.
Dec 29 21:40:51 <emeb> any oe experts out there know what the approved method of rebuilding a kernel within oe is when you have to change the configs?
Dec 29 21:41:29 <emeb> I was relying on some notes from a year ago for a process that worked, but that doesn't seem to work now.
Dec 29 21:42:38 <emeb> djlewis: yes - I did an initial vanilla run via oe, then changed some code & rerun with bitbake -f -c compile virtual/kernel
Dec 29 21:42:48 <emeb> that works fine as long as the config doesn't change.
Dec 29 21:43:19 <emeb> if you change the config though, my understanding is that you need to do a make clean in the kernel dir and then the wheels come off oe
Dec 29 21:44:45 <prpplague> emeb: oh you are building from OE
Dec 29 21:44:50 <prpplague> emeb: you left that out
Dec 29 21:49:55 <djlewis> emeb: it as well as other things changes often just to keep me from ever getting a good grip it :P 
Dec 29 21:50:17 <djlewis> good grip of it
Dec 29 21:50:37 <emeb> djlewis: yep. lotsa new stuff in there since I last used it.
Dec 29 21:50:50 <emeb> prpplague: sorry - I guess that's important.
Dec 29 21:51:05 <prpplague> emeb: hehe indeed
Dec 29 21:51:44 <emeb> think I'll just blow away the linux* directory and let oe start over, then carefully roll my changes in from scratch.
Dec 29 21:52:34 <prpplague> emeb: as part of the of the compile part of the recipe, some builds will have a command to do a config with the specific config file used as part of the OE build
Dec 29 21:53:12 <koen> emeb: go to the angstrom website and read the news items
Dec 29 21:53:23 <koen> emeb: one is titled "kernel workflow" or something like that
Dec 29 21:53:47 <emeb> koen: thanks
Dec 29 21:54:06 <prpplague> emeb: hehe, when you get the url, paste it for me, i'd like to read it over myself
Dec 29 21:54:31 <koen> prpplague: Xora wrote it :)
Dec 29 21:54:46 <prpplague> ahh
Dec 29 21:54:55 <emeb> http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
Dec 29 21:54:55 <prpplague> seems like i recall seeing a post about it
Dec 29 21:55:07 <emeb> I worked from that last year
Dec 29 21:55:23 * prpplague bookmarks for testing
Dec 29 21:55:42 <emeb> There's my problem - doing a make clean instead for bitbake -c clean virtual/kernel.
Dec 29 21:56:56 <emeb> anyway - this is all towards trying to get rotary encoders working with the 'bone.
Dec 29 21:57:47 <koen> emeb: let us know if you have patches for that, I have support for matrix keypads on my TODO
Dec 29 21:58:21 <koen> e.g. https://www.adafruit.com/products/419
Dec 29 21:59:10 <emeb> koen: will do
Dec 29 21:59:55 <djlewis> ive got some of those keypads
Dec 29 22:00:41 <sakoman__> koen: any news on sgx sdk fixes?
Dec 29 22:02:28 <koen> sakoman__: nope, everything halted for the holidays
Dec 29 22:02:39 <sakoman__> ok, thanks
Dec 29 22:02:44 <koen> sakoman__: except griping about contracting services
Dec 29 22:03:02 <sakoman__> :-)
Dec 29 22:03:44 <koen> sakoman__: I did talk over a plan of attack while I was at the UK office 2 weeks ago
Dec 29 22:04:09 <emeb> prpplague: note of caution - Xora's kernel workflow is a bit out of date - some of the directory hierarchies aren't quite the same now.
Dec 29 22:04:20 <sakoman__> excellent, I have a couple of clients who are pestering me about it
Dec 29 22:05:00 <sakoman__> and a check that I can't collect until I deliver working sgx stuff :-(
Dec 29 22:47:56 <emeb> rotary encoder driver tries to start but can't get the GPIO pins I pointed it at.
Dec 29 23:05:20 <emeb> can anyone confirm: the AM335x kernel still relies on uboot to set up the GPIO it's allowed to use?
Dec 29 23:06:08 <jay6981> well the loaders do setup the pin muxing
Dec 29 23:06:29 <jay6981> dunno if linux ever changes that
Dec 29 23:06:49 <emeb> There is kernel control of pinmuxing now, but GPIO appears to be a special case.
Dec 29 23:07:19 <emeb> Previously, the GPIO data structure was initialized based on the state of the mux as set by the loader.
Dec 29 23:07:30 <emeb> That constrained what pins could be used by the GPIO driver.
Dec 29 23:07:47 <jay6981> ic
Dec 29 23:07:49 <emeb> Even though you could set the mux to the gpio function later in the kernel,you couldn't use it as such.
Dec 29 23:08:30 <emeb> conversely though, you can switch _away_ from GPIO to other functions w/o penalty.
Dec 29 23:17:36 <mranostay> welcome kergoth :)
Dec 29 23:17:40 <kergoth> hey
Dec 29 23:58:58 <djlewis> later . . . :)
Dec 30 01:19:08 <emeb> I've found some significant issues with the am33xx pin muxing code.
Dec 30 01:19:36 <emeb> the GPIO_TO_PIN() macro basically doesn't work - returns the wrong pin index.
Dec 30 01:20:37 <emeb> and the am33xx_muxmodes[] array leaves most GPIO pins undefined so you can access them by name.
Dec 30 01:21:28 <emeb> and the mux data structure doesn't initialize the GPIO indicies, do the kernel GPIO driver can never allocate pins.
Dec 30 01:50:39 <emeb> wow - lotta typos in the previous...
Dec 30 01:51:13 <emeb> Anyway - this is all with the ti33x-psp-3.1 that's currently in OE. 
Dec 30 01:51:27 <jay6981> that must be why you can't remux a pin?
Dec 30 01:51:35 <emeb> Yep.
Dec 30 01:52:20 <emeb> Could probably go a long way towards fixing this by filling in the null gpio values in the am33xx_muxmodes[] array though.
Dec 30 01:52:27 <emeb> No idea why that was left out.
Dec 30 01:56:53 <jay6981> the psp is just patches to vanilla kernel?
Dec 30 01:57:45 <emeb> Not sure.
Dec 30 01:57:59 <emeb> IIRC though it has some radical differences.
Dec 30 02:00:37 <jay6981> i'm curious about those differences… gotta dig into OE some I suppose
Dec 30 02:02:20 <emeb> It's actually pretty easy.
Dec 30 02:02:46 <emeb> pretty much plug n chug - just follow the directions. If all you want is the kernel it's even easier.
Dec 30 02:25:19 <zumi> good evening
Dec 30 02:25:37 <josephalevin> Hello. 
Dec 30 02:25:49 <josephalevin> Anyone know of docs on how to read/write to bone pins on ubuntu?
Dec 30 02:26:29 <zumi> for those who got a bone, did you get two different SD cards?
Dec 30 02:26:41 <josephalevin> Yes, I did.
Dec 30 02:27:27 <josephalevin> One with Angstrom, Cloud9ide, and gateone
Dec 30 02:27:43 <josephalevin> The other had the Texas Inst. sdk.
Dec 30 02:27:50 <josephalevin> Both were bootable on the bone.
Dec 30 02:27:53 <zumi> is the other just a base TI image? that is what I am assuming
Dec 30 02:28:44 <josephalevin> Yeah, I made the mistake of putting in the TI image and forgetting a few days later.  Couldn't figure out why nothing in the bone docs was showing up.
Dec 30 02:28:57 <jay6981> josephalevin: the gpio pins?
Dec 30 02:29:40 <zumi> ok, makes sense. I don't have a working linux build yet, so I am flying somewhat blind.
Dec 30 02:29:41 <josephalevin> jay6981: yes, I think so.  For starters I just want to blink an led in ubuntu.
Dec 30 02:29:51 <zumi> actually about to boot it for the first time now
Dec 30 02:30:09 <jay6981> josephalevin: this might help http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/gpio.txt
Dec 30 02:30:28 <josephalevin> zumi: good luck. 
Dec 30 02:30:35 <josephalevin> jay6981: thank you
Dec 30 02:30:44 <zumi> thanks :)
Dec 30 02:31:02 <jay6981> josephalevin: check the part starting at line 573
Dec 30 02:31:30 <jay6981> disclaimer - i don't know if it actually works, i don't have a beaglebone
Dec 30 02:33:00 <josephalevin> No worries.  I think that puts me down the right path.
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Dec 30 03:09:49 <zumi> success
Dec 30 03:12:54 <rlmccormick> you just make your greatest incention dexter?
Dec 30 03:13:00 <rlmccormick> *invention
Dec 30 03:13:23 <zumi> heh, almost. I was able to power it up and connect.
Dec 30 03:13:30 <rlmccormick> close enough
Dec 30 03:16:22 <zumi> doing this at work is turning out to be problematic though
Dec 30 04:04:53 <emeb> Patched up the muxmodes array and got a little further. Now I can setup the mux, but gpio_request() throws -EBUSY when rotary_encode tries to allocate it. 
Dec 30 04:05:34 <emeb> So between the time the boardfile executes and when the rotary_encoder initializes, something steps in and grabs the GPIO pins.
Dec 30 04:13:38 <mranostay> what is the mA the GPIO lines can pull?
Dec 30 04:13:58 <mranostay> not seeing it in the manual but i could be blind
Dec 30 04:14:59 <emeb> which device?
Dec 30 04:15:22 <mranostay> emeb: Beaglebone
Dec 30 04:15:35 <mranostay> d'oh way to be vague on my part :)
Dec 30 04:15:49 <emeb> mranostay: am3359 datasheet specs the VOH/VOL at +/-8ma
Dec 30 04:16:19 <emeb> which means you can probably get a bit more out if you don't care about meeting the voltage levels :)
Dec 30 04:27:42 <emeb> OK - found my bug: tried to use the same pin for both legs of the encoder :P
Dec 30 04:28:13 <emeb> device registers fine now. Next up - how to access it from userland?
Dec 30 04:28:59 <mranostay> emeb: so plus or minus 8mA or 8mA?
Dec 30 04:29:29 <emeb> mranostay: if it's outputting a 3.3V digital "1" you can pull 8ma from it 
Dec 30 04:29:46 <emeb> if it's outputting a 0V digital "0" you can dump 8mA into it.
Dec 30 04:30:35 <emeb> and in each case the pin will deviate from the rail by 0.4V according to the spec.
Dec 30 04:30:56 <emeb> so, with 3.3V rail, if you pull 8ma from it, it'll drop to 2.9V.
Dec 30 04:30:57 <emeb> etc.
Dec 30 04:59:36 <emeb> more re: encoders - using Evtest.c on the resulting /dev/input/event0 queue shows the proper type of device, but hooking an actual encoder to it results in no events. Bah - deal with that tomorrow.
Dec 30 05:01:48 <jay6981> sure the pinmux is good now?
Dec 30 05:23:46 <emeb> jay6981: pretty sure the pinmux is OK.
Dec 30 05:24:04 <emeb> not sure that the GPIO device is hooking to it correctly though 
Dec 30 05:24:41 <emeb> suspect that the GPIO<->IRQ mapping may be misbehaving.
Dec 30 05:25:03 <emeb> (since rotary encoder device is event driven & depends on IRQs)
Dec 30 08:53:20 <ant_work> koen: kernel.bbclass is hard to die! Do you keep a copy just for the uImage task?
Dec 30 09:09:31 <koen> ant_work: yes, read the email thread about dmitrys uimage changes
Dec 30 09:12:17 <ant_work> I see, I'll send you a patch for meta-oe in the meanwhile (postinst/postrm)
Dec 30 09:14:58 <ant_work> koen: apart this, in the sight of an unification, problematic to merge are udev and xserver-nodm-init (& rdependencies)
Dec 30 09:15:20 <ant_work> otavio is working on this
Dec 30 10:53:12 <bollocoksock> hey anyone here?
Dec 30 10:54:38 <bollocoksock> oh this channels as dead as the others
Dec 30 10:54:43 <bollocoksock> helpandsupport++
Dec 30 10:58:45 <LetoThe2nd> bollocoksock: please stop trolling and just ask if you have any sane and valid question ;)
Dec 30 11:31:30 <sundar> hi guys. i have the trainer xm board connected to the beagleboard xm. i just experimented with the blinking LED and it works. i would like to test input functionality as well. 
Dec 30 11:32:08 <sundar> i just found a post in the archive here: http://mailinglist-archive.com/beagleboard/2011-11/00380-Re+beagleboard+Unable+to+change+value+of+input+GPIO+on+BeagleboardxM+with+Tincantools+Trainer+board
Dec 30 11:33:00 <sundar> i am wondering how i can change the direction of the level translator so that connecting the GPIO pin to ground would work
Dec 30 11:55:57 <otavio> ant_work: I have xserver-nodm-init done
Dec 30 11:56:34 <otavio> ant_work: https://github.com/OSSystems/meta-oe/commit/2eaa23a3419bfd9b5aea6c1f059242a38eb03608
Dec 30 11:57:29 <otavio> ant_work: for udev, I have it mostly done
Dec 30 11:57:39 <otavio> ant_work: most of changes are ready for merging on oe-core
Dec 30 11:57:50 <otavio> ant_work: and I am working at 175 update now
Dec 30 12:04:39 <bollocoksock> letothe2nd: its not trolling, its a valid complaint :)
Dec 30 12:05:00 <bollocoksock> initial problem is: v4l2 doesnt work on the initial angstromcloud9 demo image
Dec 30 12:06:16 <bollocoksock> further problem: I cant get a narcissus built image to boot as its kernel modules are for 2.6 and the uImage is 3.1. The site never gives me the option to download the correct uImage
Dec 30 12:26:13 <rmoriz> bollocoksock: maybe http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu is an option for you...
Dec 30 16:24:52 <emeb> Good morning baglebearders!
Dec 30 16:26:28 <emeb> After yesterday's marathon kernel hacking session, my hat is off to whomever decided that the the Beaglebone boot partition should appear as a USB filesystem.
Dec 30 16:26:41 <nemik> beagleboarders and beagleboners
Dec 30 16:26:45 <nemik> wait....
Dec 30 16:27:23 <emeb> That's one huge timesaver - total edit/compile/update/reboot/test cycle time is down to just a few minutes. *happy sigh*
Dec 30 16:28:01 * koen will take credit for that
Dec 30 16:29:10 <emeb> koen: is owed a beer or two if ever we meet.
Dec 30 16:30:00 * koen needs to debug LCD board issue on the bone
Dec 30 16:30:12 <koen> it powers down when you connect it
Dec 30 16:30:19 <emeb> now, the folks who wrote the mux code for am335x on the other hand...
Dec 30 16:30:57 <emeb> koen: is it the DVI enable GPIO?
Dec 30 16:31:05 <koen> emeb: you might have noticed me despairing about the current kernel source
Dec 30 16:31:27 <emeb> koen: Yes, I had noticed, and I share your pain.
Dec 30 16:31:29 <koen> emeb: it looks like a short or overcurrent on the voltage rails
Dec 30 16:32:13 <koen> the schematics seem to do the right thing
Dec 30 16:32:49 <koen> since I have next week off as well, I ordered 100 extra jumper wires and will use those to see which pins are causing the shutdown
Dec 30 16:32:57 <emeb> koen: can you power it from a speparate supply?
Dec 30 16:33:19 <koen> yes
Dec 30 16:33:27 <koen> it breaks either way
Dec 30 16:33:45 <emeb> so it's not overloading the 'bone supply.
Dec 30 16:33:55 <emeb> just hating life all on its own
Dec 30 16:34:06 <koen> it might draw more than 800mA which will cause the pmic to shutdown
Dec 30 16:34:19 <emeb> that's kinda what I was getting at...
Dec 30 16:34:21 <koen> (or whatever the limit is)
Dec 30 16:34:35 <koen> even with 2 PSUs it doesn't work
Dec 30 16:35:00 <koen> the whole situation is complicated by the ethernet plug
Dec 30 16:35:26 <koen> it makes the connectors too short
Dec 30 16:35:33 <emeb> I've had some weird incompatibilities with some 5V wallwarts on my 'bone.
Dec 30 16:35:49 * koen has a big box of TI EVM PSUs
Dec 30 16:36:31 <emeb> Some supplies work OK, others cause the 'bone to cycle on/off at power up.
Dec 30 16:36:36 <koen> CCO tested the LCD, so my theories are:
Dec 30 16:36:43 <koen> 1) fedex broke it
Dec 30 16:37:01 <emeb> sneaky bastards.
Dec 30 16:37:01 <koen> 2) CCO tested with the bone only plugged in wrong
Dec 30 16:37:11 <koen> 3) CCO tested with an A1 or A2
Dec 30 16:37:35 <koen> if I plug it in "off by one" the backlight works
Dec 30 16:37:45 <koen> since it's hooked to the heartbeat gpio
Dec 30 16:38:32 <emeb> does it blink?
Dec 30 16:38:48 <koen> yes
Dec 30 16:38:55 <emeb> sweeeet!
Dec 30 16:39:03 <emeb> now if it would just work right.
Dec 30 16:39:17 <emeb> So, this LCD board is not the DVI board - something new.
Dec 30 16:39:29 <koen> next week I'll wire up the 100 jumper wires and report back :)
Dec 30 16:39:55 <koen> emeb: it's basically http://boardzoo.com/product_info.php?cPath=4&products_id=1http://boardzoo.com/redirect.php?action=banner&goto=2&osCsid=8b5733483749566650d94eede9243a2b
Dec 30 16:40:31 <emeb> just revised for the 'bone expansion presumably.
Dec 30 16:41:08 <koen> and for 4 buttons
Dec 30 16:41:15 <koen> for android
Dec 30 16:42:29 <koen> emeb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/6601050099/
Dec 30 16:42:52 <koen> the paper beneath has photos of the back
Dec 30 16:43:48 <koen> emeb: you might like http://boardzoo.com/product_info.php?products_id=87 for your FPGA debugging
Dec 30 16:44:58 <emeb> Bizarre!
Dec 30 16:46:58 <emeb> Will have to keep that in mind though.
Dec 30 16:55:26 <nemik> koen: running XBMC, very nice! is this working over DVI or HDMI?
Dec 30 16:57:05 <koen> neither, over the LCD header :)
Dec 30 16:57:35 <nemik> ah
Dec 30 17:05:37 <Jordan> hi
Dec 30 17:05:55 <Jordan> Does anyone know what's changed for the new angstrom distribution?
Dec 30 17:06:08 <emeb> since when?
Dec 30 17:06:42 <emeb> which platform?
Dec 30 17:07:54 <jay6981> well, first the earth cooled
Dec 30 17:07:59 <jay6981> then the dinosaurs came
Dec 30 17:08:04 <jay6981> but they got too big and fat
Dec 30 17:08:21 <koen> The autotropes began to drool
Dec 30 17:08:33 <koen>  Neanderthals developed tools
Dec 30 17:09:00 <Jordan> For the beaglebone...
Dec 30 17:09:00 <Jordan> Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.12-core-beaglebone-2011.12.26.img.gz
Dec 30 17:11:50 <emeb> Presumably it's newer, shinier, includes the latest fixes to everything and will make you happier and wealthier.
Dec 30 17:12:14 <emeb> specific details are left as an exercise for the user.
Dec 30 17:12:46 <jay6981> sounds like apple's release notes
Dec 30 17:12:49 <emeb> And please ignore/forgive any new or pre-existing bugs.
Dec 30 17:13:16 <jay6981> emeb: you get anywhere with your gpio interrupt issue?
Dec 30 17:13:36 <emeb> jay6981: just getting started again. Gotta relax sometime. :)
Dec 30 17:13:42 <jay6981> hehe
Dec 30 17:15:03 <Jordan> Thanks emeb...release notes would be nice, sigh
Dec 30 17:16:05 <emeb> Jordan: true, but we take what we get and are thankful!
Dec 30 17:16:46 <jay6981> and spend too much time with meld
Dec 30 17:17:23 * koen realizes release notes were only sent internally
Dec 30 17:17:45 <koen> Jordan: bugfixes and updates, nothing eath shattering
Dec 30 17:18:35 <Jordan> okay, thanks. I'm trying to get a wireless dongle working. Does anyone have any idea if this would be easier if I got an ubuntu distrib up and running on my Bone? Sorry if it's an overly general question
Dec 30 17:19:04 <Jordan> It seems like a lot of basic utils are missing from Angstrom...I just installed emacs (took an hour to build), and would like to get x11 stuff installed as well
Dec 30 17:19:06 <koen> nothing is easier with ubuntu
Dec 30 17:19:11 <koen> except being slow and bloated
Dec 30 17:19:12 * emeb had no trouble getting a USB wifi dongle working on Beagleboard w/ Angstrom a few years ago.
Dec 30 17:19:14 <jay6981> heh
Dec 30 17:19:39 <rcn-ee> koen, just 'bloated'.. the armhf image is out. .;)
Dec 30 17:19:41 <emeb> but then koen helped out on that
Dec 30 17:20:02 <Jordan> do you know if it's possible to get "apt-get" for angstrom? I'm new to linux...this looks like the easiest way to install a lot of packages
Dec 30 17:20:04 <koen> any problems will be kernel related and there are no ubuntu developers working on bone kernel, only rcn-ee
Dec 30 17:20:22 <koen> Jordan: ln -sf /usr/bin/opkg /usr/bin/apt-get
Dec 30 17:20:33 <emeb> lol
Dec 30 17:20:48 <jay6981> a new abi; yay!
Dec 30 17:21:13 <koen> rcn-ee: still slow, since you can't use sgx with hf currently
Dec 30 17:22:36 <rcn-ee> yeap, correct about no sgx..  and still lots of packages broken.. but for a minimal it's a nice bump over armel..
Dec 30 17:23:00 <jay6981> Jordan: compiling just too slow for you?
Dec 30 17:26:40 <koen> rcn-ee: I talked about hf problems during my job interview at TI
Dec 30 17:26:46 <koen> rcn-ee: that was almost 3 years ago
Dec 30 17:27:09 <koen> 2 weeks ago I get asked "what's that hf about?"
Dec 30 17:27:55 <rcn-ee> that's funny..
Dec 30 17:28:47 <rcn-ee> thinking about, it you could probally use the multarch stuff in precise, to let the sgx use softfp, 'armel' bits, so your sgx application would be as slow as armel, but the rest of the system would be armhf.. and more stuff to download/install..
Dec 30 17:29:01 <rcn-ee> so 2x bloated.. ;)
Dec 30 17:29:39 <koen> rcn-ee: there's pretty much no real difference between softp and hf
Dec 30 17:29:54 <koen> rcn-ee: unless you articificially cripple it, like ubuntu did
Dec 30 17:32:30 <jay6981> koen: how did ubuntu cripple it?
Dec 30 17:36:55 <koen> no neon, vfp16
Dec 30 17:37:25 <koen> it all boils down to dpkg not supporting freeform architecture fields
Dec 30 17:37:44 <koen> so ubuntu needs to pick the lowest common denominator
Dec 30 17:38:06 <jay6981> interesting
Dec 30 17:38:07 <koen> which suck, since marvell and nvidia were being stupid by not using NEON
Dec 30 17:38:11 <koen> +s somewhere
Dec 30 17:40:33 <rcn-ee> even with armhf, precise/sid is no neon , vfp16.. "--with-fpu=vfpv3-d16"...
Dec 30 17:40:56 <VIgnesh> hey
Dec 30 17:41:16 <VIgnesh> is anyone even active in this community>
Dec 30 17:41:18 <VIgnesh> ?
Dec 30 17:41:25 <VIgnesh> is anyone alive?
Dec 30 17:41:31 <rcn-ee> wait longer then 10 seconds?
Dec 30 17:41:31 <muriani> nope.
Dec 30 17:41:33 <Jordan> ow, wow...that "ln -sf" command is magic!
Dec 30 17:42:09 <jay6981> heh
Dec 30 17:42:47 <Jordan> jay6981... yes compling was pretty slow for me
Dec 30 17:51:20 <jay6981> Jordan: if you're compiling on the device, you may consider setting up a cross compile environment to speed things up
Dec 30 18:11:42 <Jordan> thanks jay6981...i'll look into that. hopefully not too difficult for this linux noob
Dec 30 18:11:50 <Jordan> (I'm just running cygwin on my PC too)
Dec 30 18:12:10 <muriani> oof, that's also pretty slow :P
Dec 30 18:12:40 <VIgnesh> hey?
Dec 30 18:12:52 <VIgnesh> guyz help here plz
Dec 30 18:12:56 <jay6981> lol
Dec 30 18:12:57 <dsoto> VIgnesh: ask a technical question
Dec 30 18:13:01 <VIgnesh> i am working on ECG
Dec 30 18:13:15 <VIgnesh> I read the elinux page
Dec 30 18:13:38 <VIgnesh> i cant really find a good tutorial for getting serial voltage out of beagleboard
Dec 30 18:14:03 <VIgnesh> i really dont know how to program it to accept the values and graph them?
Dec 30 18:14:07 <VIgnesh> how do i start?
Dec 30 18:14:25 <VIgnesh> any good publication that would be recommended fr me?
Dec 30 18:15:02 <Russ> rcn-ee, ath9k_htc would be a nice module to enable by default
Dec 30 18:15:31 <kergoth> koen, would you mind applying https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/meta-ti/2011-December/000270.html ? i'm not the only one who's hit this parse error, and whats worse, with the bitbake parsing appearing to hang rather than showing the error bug, its hard for the user to report it
Dec 30 18:15:34 <kergoth> heh
Dec 30 18:15:40 * kergoth needs to dig into that bug
Dec 30 18:15:42 <dsoto> VIgnesh: look in the beagleboard documentation and see if it mentions an ADC input
Dec 30 18:15:49 <VIgnesh> ok?
Dec 30 18:16:03 <dsoto> VIgnesh: the beaglebone has one but i'm not sure about the beagleboard
Dec 30 18:16:07 <VIgnesh> so can i make them talk thru SPI?
Dec 30 18:16:18 <VIgnesh> wow so the beaglebone has it?
Dec 30 18:16:27 <VIgnesh> i was thinking of getting one
Dec 30 18:16:49 <dsoto> VIgnesh: i'm using analog on the beaglebone right now, no experience with SPI but it has it.
Dec 30 18:17:07 <VIgnesh> awesom
Dec 30 18:17:15 <rcn-ee> Russ, did i forget that one?
Dec 30 18:17:21 <VIgnesh> so how is the beaglebone diff frm beagleboard?
Dec 30 18:17:33 <VIgnesh> does the programming language change?
Dec 30 18:17:51 <Russ> rcn-ee, yup, I enabled it on my side and it works
Dec 30 18:18:04 <rcn-ee> cool, thanks Russ, will enable it.. ;)
Dec 30 18:19:43 <koen> kergoth: it doesn't apply
Dec 30 18:19:48 <kergoth> gah
Dec 30 18:19:48 <kergoth> damnit
Dec 30 18:19:57 <kergoth> my send-email was acting up, had to use imap-send, mailer must have wrapped it
Dec 30 18:20:00 <kergoth> will resend, thanks
Dec 30 18:20:09 <koen> kergoth: feel free to point me to a github or something :)
Dec 30 18:20:53 * kergoth nods, will do
Dec 30 18:21:07 <kergoth> is there an official meta-ti mirror on github to fork?
Dec 30 18:27:32 <koen> kergoth: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti
Dec 30 18:27:43 <kergoth> thanks
Dec 30 18:32:56 <emeb> hmmm - wonder if it's kosher to call pr_info() from irq context?
Dec 30 18:33:52 <VIgnesh> Guyz wat is the Cloud 9 ide like
Dec 30 18:34:09 <VIgnesh> should i be connected to the netowrk to use it>
Dec 30 18:34:27 <VIgnesh> they say its aurduino ish
Dec 30 18:34:31 <kergoth> its a webapp, isn't it? I'm not sure what use it would be without a network connection
Dec 30 18:35:14 <emeb> it's basically java running on your browser, using the beagle as a peripheral, no?
Dec 30 18:35:30 <emeb> ^script 
Dec 30 18:37:15 <VIgnesh> so it wont work if i remove it frm the computer (even with a battery)
Dec 30 18:37:21 <VIgnesh> :(
Dec 30 18:39:36 <emeb> maybe cloud9 doesn't - there are many other ways to use the Beaglebone though.
Dec 30 18:40:33 <VIgnesh> yep :D
Dec 30 18:41:07 <VIgnesh> guyz any good publication on embeeded linux?
Dec 30 18:42:47 <mranostay> who needs an IDE if you have vim :)
Dec 30 18:42:55 <VIgnesh> vim?
Dec 30 18:47:39 <kergoth> koen, not really 100% on topic, but as an fyi, u-boot.inc in meta-ti is broken wrt sstate and do_deploy. it needs to install its files to DEPLOYDIR, see the oe-core u-boot.inc for details. want a patch? without the change, the files it deploys won't come back when built from sstate
Dec 30 18:49:05 <koen> kergoth: patches are always welcome
Dec 30 18:49:19 * koen still doesn't really understand sstate
Dec 30 18:49:37 <kergoth> okay, just wanted to make sure it wasn't different intentionally :)
Dec 30 18:49:39 <kergoth> thanks
Dec 30 18:49:46 <kergoth> (me neither, regarding sstate)
Dec 30 18:49:55 <kergoth> i do a lot of copying and pasting ;)
Dec 30 18:50:52 <koen> most of the duplicated stuff in meta-* is due to "I need this to work"
Dec 30 18:52:56 <VIgnesh> Good night guyz
Dec 30 18:53:02 <VIgnesh> thanks fir everything
Dec 30 18:53:03 <kergoth> night
Dec 30 18:53:13 <VIgnesh> i had a awesom learnin experience
Dec 30 18:53:15 <VIgnesh> :)
Dec 30 18:59:25 <emeb> Gentlemen, we have achieved rotary encoder!
Dec 30 18:59:30 <jay6981> nice
Dec 30 18:59:54 <jay6981> bbiab
Dec 30 19:00:09 <emeb> Just needed to get my head straight about the pin mapping.
Dec 30 19:00:28 <emeb> Event: time 1325271086.593719, -------------- Report Sync ------------
Dec 30 19:00:28 <emeb> Event: time 1325271086.635094, type 2 (Relative), code 7 (Dial), value 1
Dec 30 19:11:21 <djlewis> emeb: congrats :)
Dec 30 19:12:50 <emeb> djlewis: Thanks.
Dec 30 19:13:17 <emeb> Turned out to be a lot simpler than I thought. Mostly my own typos & misunderstandings.
Dec 30 19:13:30 <JohnBabrick_> 1 2 3
Dec 30 19:13:58 <emeb> which can take some time to clear up when working in-kernel with so much overhead and so little visibility.
Dec 30 19:15:13 <koen> emeb: my dry run of matrix-keypad stuff: http://pastebin.com/wnLXKgMD
Dec 30 19:17:49 <emeb> koen: do you have code to setup the muxing?
Dec 30 19:18:02 <emeb> I do but haven't checked if it's needed.
Dec 30 19:18:19 <emeb> I do enable the input pullups though, which may not be default.
Dec 30 19:19:53 <koen> no mux code yet
Dec 30 19:20:48 <koen> emeb: http://pastebin.com/fqUmcwEs
Dec 30 19:20:58 <koen> emeb: that's what jkridner__ and I are working on these days
Dec 30 19:21:25 <koen> once the js works we're going to add code to uboot and kernel to set muxing based on eeproms
Dec 30 19:21:57 <koen> and then try to gather input on making it easier to add things like platform devices
Dec 30 19:22:07 <koen> emeb: like your rotary encoder and my matrix keypad
Dec 30 19:22:25 <emeb> http://pastebin.ca/2097538
Dec 30 19:22:29 <koen> rebuilding a kernel isn't something an arduino user wants to do
Dec 30 19:22:40 <emeb> that's the main stuff I needed
Dec 30 19:23:39 <emeb> koen: re eeprom - yes that stood out as a big disconnect in the whole scheme so far. 
Dec 30 19:24:06 <koen> ideally we can construct a devicetree in uboot from info in the eeprom
Dec 30 19:24:31 <emeb> and hopefully the kernel will leave things alone...
Dec 30 19:24:35 <koen> then "working" is only a reboot away
Dec 30 19:29:21 <emeb> So next up on my list is a bunch of buttons hooked to GPIO. Looks like the input/keyboard/gpio_keys.c driver is the way to go...
Dec 30 19:30:26 <koen> yeah
Dec 30 19:30:43 <koen> that's easy to do, the hardest thing is picking the keycodes :)
Dec 30 19:31:12 <emeb> do those get merged in with normal keyboard stream?
Dec 30 19:33:37 <emeb> koen: big problem for the ard crowd is picking capes that don't interfere with eachother.
Dec 30 19:35:35 <ds2> stop the madness
Dec 30 19:35:44 <koen> emeb: gpio-key will show up as a new event device
Dec 30 19:36:08 <ds2> toss in a 430 on the I2C bus 
Dec 30 19:36:09 <koen> emeb: apart from battery or lcd capes I not much use for stacking
Dec 30 19:36:34 <ds2> use that for extra GPIOs, etc
Dec 30 19:37:07 <emeb> koen: separate event device is best.
Dec 30 19:37:17 <ds2> you can even use a launchpad as the carrier
Dec 30 19:37:40 <emeb> re - stacking. no arguments. 
Dec 30 19:38:20 <emeb> ds2: but for single-purpose expansion boards I'd rather keep things simple and just use GPIO + kernel code to do the work for me.
Dec 30 19:38:59 <emeb> ie - with the gpio-based encoders my hardware cost is just the encoder itself. Even the pullups are on-chip.
Dec 30 19:39:25 <ds2> emeb: there aren't enough GPIOs :(
Dec 30 19:39:39 <ds2> emeb: I am running out of GPIOs as I layout my board
Dec 30 19:40:08 <ds2> s/layout/design/
Dec 30 19:40:50 <emeb> ds2: but you're doing the ultracomplete maxi-megalon MID board that does everything conceivable. Me, not so much.
Dec 30 19:41:35 <ds2> emeb: it is becoming less and less complete due to limited resources :(
Dec 30 19:42:07 <ds2> emeb: aren't you running to a lack of pins due to the way the mux designed?
Dec 30 19:42:15 <emeb> The one I'm working on now has 8 buttons, 8 encoders, monochrome LCD & stereo audio I/O.
Dec 30 19:42:46 <ds2> monochrome LCD on the LCD interface or is it on I2C/SPI?
Dec 30 19:43:06 <emeb> the buttons/encoders need 32 bits GPIO. The LCD uses 4 bits for SPI. the audio uses ~6 bits for McASP
Dec 30 19:43:54 <ds2> Ohhhh SPI based LCD
Dec 30 19:44:02 <emeb> Yeah - nothing fancy.
Dec 30 19:44:06 <ds2> I am using a fullblown color parallel interface LCD
Dec 30 19:44:16 <emeb> That eats up bits quick
Dec 30 19:44:20 <ds2> so bye bye 30pins or so
Dec 30 19:44:48 <ds2> latest complain is the inconsistancy in what is provided with the backlight drive circuit
Dec 30 19:45:04 <ds2> wish they had a schottly in there for the boost
Dec 30 19:46:57 <ds2> emeb: any quirks noticed with the McASPs?
Dec 30 19:47:15 <emeb> ds2: not yet - haven't worked up the stones to attack it yet.
Dec 30 19:47:30 <emeb> ds2: that's next on the list though. 
Dec 30 19:48:07 <emeb> ds2: since koen already reported lack of success on his 1st attempt with a codec I'm not expecting it to be easy.
Dec 30 19:48:15 <ds2> emeb: heh, I see.
Dec 30 19:49:19 <jay6981> anyone familiar with puppybits?
Dec 30 19:49:32 <ds2> emeb: you are line powering it, right?
Dec 30 19:49:33 <emeb> ds2: first thing I want to try is just setting the mux, enabling the device and seeing if ALSA recognizes it.
Dec 30 19:49:49 <emeb> Then, send some data to it and see if the port bits toggle.
Dec 30 19:49:59 <ds2> emeb: I doubt it will be that simple
Dec 30 19:50:31 <ds2> esp. since bits of the code for some of these blocks are scattered in 2134920804832094182309423890482309 different trees
Dec 30 19:50:39 <ds2> most of which is not upstreamed :(
Dec 30 19:50:58 <emeb> ds2: me too. That's the strategy though, with the knowledge that no battle plan survives the first encounter with the enemy
Dec 30 19:53:00 <ds2> heh
Dec 30 19:54:17 <ds2> emeb: have you ever looked at measuring how busy a I2C bus is?
Dec 30 19:54:32 <emeb> ds2: never tried.
Dec 30 19:54:48 <emeb> Seems like it would be easy with a scope or logic analyzer though.
Dec 30 19:56:41 <emeb> or you could use a simple MCU (PIC/MSP/ARM) to build a sniffer that would drive a bargraph. :)
Dec 30 19:57:30 <ds2> those are shorter term sampling.
Dec 30 19:57:49 <emeb> integrating/averaging code is easy to do.
Dec 30 19:57:51 <ds2> trying to look at it over a longer term..say in the course of an hour
Dec 30 19:58:53 <emeb> Oh - then use a Beagle (or even a PC with a dongle) to log & compute stats.
Dec 30 19:58:55 <ds2> are you suggesting something like a multibin (5sec/10sec,30sec,...) average of the time the dataline goes low?
Dec 30 19:59:10 <emeb> That would be a simple approach.
Dec 30 19:59:29 <emeb> You could actually decode the bus and break it down further if that's helpful.
Dec 30 19:59:29 <ds2> what i am trying to find out is - do I have too much crap on the I2C bus
Dec 30 19:59:47 <emeb> That's really application dependent.
Dec 30 20:00:00 <emeb> Esp. if you've got bursty devices.
Dec 30 20:00:02 <ds2> I'd agree with your suggestions if it is shorter term... over an hour, I'd except a hella lot of data
Dec 30 20:00:09 <emeb> No telling when they'll start colliding.
Dec 30 20:00:16 <ds2> they are... sensors and buttons being polled
Dec 30 20:00:31 <ds2> running short on I2C addresses :(
Dec 30 20:00:32 <zumi> curious, I was showing my beaglebone to a colleague, and as I was handing it off, quite a hefty static discharge occured between our hands
Dec 30 20:00:48 <zumi> the board boots, but is there a good way to run a thorough diag to test?
Dec 30 20:04:16 <emeb> I'd guess that there is a mfg QA test somewhere. How to get it though?
Dec 30 20:04:29 <emeb> and what supporting test hardware is required?
Dec 30 20:05:39 <jay6981> those bed of nail testers
Dec 30 20:05:46 <jay6981> that stuff is probably only at the manufacturing line
Dec 30 20:06:16 <jay6981> terribly written software at that :)
Dec 30 20:08:52 <djlewis> always announce "nothing personal" then touch their hand first.
Dec 30 20:09:38 <djlewis> I walk around the office here, then touch metal and I get a burn shock.
Dec 30 20:17:46 <djlewis> it might be more fun to sneak up and touch tha back of their ears :)
Dec 30 20:20:19 <zumi> I have been getting some serious shocks this winter
Dec 30 20:20:44 <zumi> I am hoping that by holding it by the plastic headers that the board is fine
Dec 30 20:26:15 <ds2> install a humidifier
Dec 30 20:26:21 <ds2> wear ESD straps
Dec 30 20:26:28 <ds2> ESD coat the floor
Dec 30 20:27:20 <djlewis> best to hold by a good ground point like a ethernet shield or something.
Dec 30 20:27:32 <djlewis> I havent examined a beaglebone.
Dec 30 20:27:35 <emeb> +1 on the humidifier.
Dec 30 20:28:01 <emeb> we run one at night anyway just for comfort. Helps with the zaps all day though.
Dec 30 20:28:29 <djlewis> emeb: i need one, i get nose bleeds this time of year :(
Dec 30 20:28:50 <emeb> djlewis: that's exactly why we have it. Really helps.
Dec 30 20:29:07 <djlewis> yeah, the picture shows two good ground points on beaglebone, usb and ethernet
Dec 30 20:29:18 <emeb> Plus - acts as a broadband audio noise generator to block out annoying neighbor sounds.
Dec 30 20:29:20 <djlewis> emeb: and you are in a much drier climate
Dec 30 20:29:33 <emeb> although I'd guess that's not a big problem for you.
Dec 30 20:29:49 <djlewis> just so it does not make a broadband rf niose generator :) 
Dec 30 20:29:57 <emeb> Tell me about it.
Dec 30 20:30:17 <emeb> I used to work in a shop where they ran welder with an RF exciter.
Dec 30 20:30:22 <djlewis> I have to go around my home turning off dimmers to enjoy a quite noise level on my hf radio
Dec 30 20:30:38 <emeb> Could see that signal on everything I worked on.
Dec 30 20:30:45 <ds2> hahahahh
Dec 30 20:30:58 <djlewis> emeb: sounds nasty and intense
Dec 30 20:31:16 <djlewis> out in my parts it is more likely to be a electric fence
Dec 30 20:31:22 <emeb> brb...
Dec 30 20:36:24 <koen> djlewis: don't pee on those
Dec 30 20:37:27 <djlewis> koen: words of experience? ;)
Dec 30 20:38:27 <koen> yes
Dec 30 20:38:39 <djlewis> ooh. 
Dec 30 20:39:36 <koen> more than 20 years ago, though
Dec 30 20:42:16 <emeb> mmm... Death Star Cupcake!
Dec 30 20:49:20 * djlewis wonders if it would glow in the dark if done in darkness ;)
Dec 30 20:49:40 <djlewis> someone go test that for me :)
Dec 30 20:56:38 <jay6981> anyone familiar with http://code.google.com/p/puppybits/
Dec 30 21:02:38 <Jordan> hi, does anyone have any experience getting USB wifi's to work?
Dec 30 21:02:55 <Jordan> I keep getting a timeout on authenticating
Dec 30 21:06:59 <zumi> humidifier is a great idea, unlikely to get one at the office though
Dec 30 21:07:07 <zumi> this place is too large
Dec 30 21:09:34 <djlewis> i know better, but . . . Jordan , you can use the wifi tools to see whats up, iwconfig is one
Dec 30 21:11:28 <koen> iwconfig is obsolete, better use iw
Dec 30 21:12:00 <Jordan> I'm unable to assocaite, but I am getting output out of iwconfig (singal strength, etc)
Dec 30 21:12:16 <Jordan> Does this imply my USB device is indeed supported?
Dec 30 21:12:26 <Jordan> I just turned off encryption too, in case i had WPA setup incorrectly
Dec 30 21:12:37 <jay6981> can you associate to an open AP?
Dec 30 21:12:51 * djlewis always starts with an open AP
Dec 30 21:12:52 <JohnBabrick_> Hello all.
Dec 30 21:12:57 <djlewis> hi
Dec 30 21:13:09 <zumi> howdy
Dec 30 21:13:16 <Jordan> no
Dec 30 21:13:28 <Jordan> (i assume by open, you mean i've turned encrptyion off?)
Dec 30 21:13:29 <djlewis> Jordan: following koen's suggestion: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/replace-iwconfig
Dec 30 21:13:59 <jay6981> yes, no encryption
Dec 30 21:14:17 <djlewis> my access point can be "secured" with MAC address and encryption
Dec 30 21:14:43 <Jordan> well, i'm pretty sure this is open...just connected with my iphone without a password or MAC setup
Dec 30 21:14:57 <Jordan> is it a problem if I have an ethernet cable plugged into the beaglebone as well?
Dec 30 21:15:17 <Jordan> one of the guides said you should unplug the ethernet cable to setup a wifi dongle, but that seems like a catch-22
Dec 30 21:16:06 <rcn-ee> it's probally more for helping you debug that your wifi actually has a connection.. ;)
Dec 30 21:16:40 <JohnBabrick_> I am just starting out on Beagleboard and Angstrom. I have gotten the cross toolchain working on the host machine and a console only image running on the Beagle. I tried running Arora browser with the -qws option and it worked - sort of. The USB keyboard does not seem to operate - no way to enter text. Also, there is a black box across the menu bar - but moving the mouse over the menu items allows them to work. Any ideas on the keyboard?
Dec 30 21:16:53 <djlewis> rcn-ee: hi
Dec 30 21:17:02 <rcn-ee> hi djlewis, how's it going?
Dec 30 21:17:11 <djlewis> its the weekend :)
Dec 30 21:17:18 <rcn-ee> and news year. ;)
Dec 30 21:17:28 <djlewis> oh, i missed that one
Dec 30 21:18:04 <rcn-ee> really? where you going to head to work on monday too then? ;)
Dec 30 21:19:41 <djlewis> well, yes as that is the 2nd
Dec 30 21:20:39 <rcn-ee> bummer, figured most places would have that off since new years is on a sunday..
Dec 30 21:21:17 <Jordan> if I'm getting singal strength from iwconfig, does that mean I don't need to place aroudn with NDISWRAPPER at least, and that my USB dongle is supported at least?
Dec 30 21:21:33 <djlewis> I dont get paid holidays or vacation or sick days
Dec 30 21:22:08 <djlewis> Jordan: dmesg and iwconfig should tell you if your wifi dongle is working.
Dec 30 21:22:15 <djlewis> Sounds like a assoc problem
Dec 30 21:22:26 <djlewis> lsusb as well
Dec 30 21:26:41 <zumi> interesting that the Angstrom build for the beaglebone is 3.5GB small and doesn't include man
Dec 30 21:29:17 <koen> 3,5gb? what sounds a bit large
Dec 30 21:29:21 <rcn-ee> that's probally just the *.img file size right? df -h an actuall sd card should be a lot smaller...
Dec 30 21:29:35 <aholler_> Jordan: ip link set wlan0 up && iw dev wlan0 scan
Dec 30 21:31:21 <zumi> aha.... /var/lib/bone-tester/
Dec 30 21:31:49 <Jordan> okay, I just ran both of those commands..
Dec 30 21:31:51 <Jordan>  wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:"PoopNet"           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated           Tx-Power=20 dBm           Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off           Encryption key:off           Power Management:on  
Dec 30 21:33:48 <zumi> well, it would seem the core components survived the shock
Dec 30 21:33:55 <zumi> if these scripts are accurate
Dec 30 21:34:13 <aholler> Jordan: thats the output of iwconfig, does the scan worked?
Dec 30 21:37:34 <Jordan> aholler: Yes, that's the output.  
Dec 30 21:38:41 <Jordan> aholler: it still doesn't have an IP address if I run "ifconfig" and I don't see it in my router logs
Dec 30 21:39:48 <aholler> the ip doesn't come up by itself and I don't think that was the output of 'iw dev wlan0 scan'
Dec 30 21:43:52 <zumi> hmm, a few messages like this on boot:  omap2_set_init_voltage: unable to set vdd_core
Dec 30 21:45:16 <Jordan> 'iw dev wlan0 scan' didn't make any output
Dec 30 21:46:14 <aholler> check dmesg
Dec 30 21:46:51 <zumi> seems common though, anyone here with a 'bone want to check their dmesg log for me?
Dec 30 21:47:05 <zumi> aholler: heh, well that's where I found it
Dec 30 21:47:18 <zumi> wondering how common it is, though google seems to suggest not uncommon
Dec 30 21:47:31 <aholler> zumi: I meant Jordan 
Dec 30 21:47:45 <Jordan> yeah, dmesg...:
Dec 30 21:47:46 <Jordan> [ 3883.586748] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready [ 3884.772226] wlan0: direct probe to 00:22:3f:20:5b:b2 (try 1/3) [ 3884.970322] wlan0: direct probe to 00:22:3f:20:5b:b2 (try 2/3) [ 3885.170317] wlan0: direct probe to 00:22:3f:20:5b:b2 (try 3/3) [ 3885.370307] wlan0: direct probe to 00:22:3f:20:5b:b2 timed out 
Dec 30 21:48:12 <Jordan> I might run out to radioshack and just get a new USB dongle
Dec 30 21:48:25 <zumi> oh sorry
Dec 30 21:48:29 <Jordan> do you gusy have any suggestions of what brand might be easist?
Dec 30 21:48:50 <aholler> Jordan: i bet it isn't the dongle
Dec 30 21:49:53 <aholler> Jordan: I wonder why iwconfig shows already an essid.
Dec 30 21:50:19 <Jordan> yeah, that's what makes me think it's working
Dec 30 21:50:21 <aholler> do you have running something else or tried to associate before?
Dec 30 21:50:27 <Jordan> except it doesn't work
Dec 30 21:50:40 <Jordan> i've been running trying lots of stuff
Dec 30 21:50:46 <Jordan> kinda lost track
Dec 30 21:50:48 <zumi> does the router show the device as connected?
Dec 30 21:50:58 <Jordan> no, the router doesn't show it connected
Dec 30 21:51:22 <zumi> are you running anything on the router that would give a detailed association log?
Dec 30 21:51:36 <aholler> Jordan: try to startfrom the beginning with what I've type above
Dec 30 21:51:55 <aholler> +d
Dec 30 21:52:13 <aholler> just disconnect and reconnect the dongle
Dec 30 21:52:37 <Jordan> disconnected and reconnected
Dec 30 21:52:52 <aholler> zumi: read the output he pasted: Not-* ;)
Dec 30 21:55:22 <Jordan> aholler: okay, what's next?
Dec 30 21:55:36 <aholler> do you see your ap?
Dec 30 21:55:53 <Jordan> ow, I lost your instructions from above (had to restart my browser)
Dec 30 21:56:00 <Jordan> i set it under iwconfig
Dec 30 21:56:39 <aholler> Jordan: reconnect device, than do 'ip link set wlan0 up && iw dev wlan0 scan'
Dec 30 21:59:13 <Jordan> command failed: Network is down (-100) 
Dec 30 21:59:43 <Jordan> should I run an "ifconfig wlan0 up"?
Dec 30 22:00:16 <aholler> check dmesg
Dec 30 22:00:39 <Jordan> [ 7807.576828] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
Dec 30 22:00:51 <Jordan> i just ran " ifconifg wlna0 up, i 
Dec 30 22:01:09 <Jordan> and the scan gets me output:
Dec 30 22:01:10 <Jordan> root@beaglebone:~# iw dev wlan0 scan BSS 00:22:3f:20:5b:b2 (on wlan0)         TSF: 3788697985 usec (0d, 01:03:08)         freq: 2462         beacon interval: 100         capability: ESS ShortPreamble ShortSlotTime (0x0421)         signal: -46.00 dBm         last seen: 230 ms ago         SSID: PoopNet         Supported rates: 1.0* 2.0* 5.5* 11.0* 6.0 12.0 24.0 36.0         DS Parameter set: channel 11         TIM: DTIM Count 0 DTIM Per
Dec 30 22:01:51 <aholler> don't spam, use something like fpaste.org or similiar
Dec 30 22:02:24 <aholler> anyway you've found poopnet, if it's your app
Dec 30 22:03:08 <aholler> iwconfig wlan0 essid PoopNet
Dec 30 22:03:35 <Jordan> apologies for the spam...that's a good too
Dec 30 22:04:31 <Jordan> it still doesn't have an IP
Dec 30 22:04:33 <aholler> now check what 'iwconfig' says
Dec 30 22:04:54 <Jordan> http://fpaste.org/R8Nc/
Dec 30 22:05:19 <aholler> Not-Associated
Dec 30 22:05:57 <Jordan> yeah...i think this dongle is hosed. i just tried it in my PC and it couldn't find any access points (which is weird because on the Bone, it can find the APs, it just can't connect to them).
Dec 30 22:05:59 <Jordan> sems fishy
Dec 30 22:07:19 <aholler> try scanning again, depending on the dongle/sun/moon it might associate only after some combinations of scan/essid/channel
Dec 30 22:07:47 <aholler> and once it is associated you could start a dhcp-client.
Dec 30 22:08:04 <aholler> or just try to use wpa_supplicant
Dec 30 22:08:26 <aholler> it's easy to setup and does everything for you, it works without wpa too
Dec 30 22:08:55 <aholler> easy if you can read manuals or the comments in the config ;)
Dec 30 22:09:42 <Jordan> scan didn't seem to help (and I'm running an open AP now)
Dec 30 22:09:55 <Jordan> okay, i want to get this working tonight...gonna run out and get a new dongle
Dec 30 22:10:19 <aholler> you might also look out for a newer firmware: git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware.git
Dec 30 22:10:48 <aholler> sometimes old stuff is distributed
Dec 30 22:11:43 <Jordan> hmmm, okay
Dec 30 22:11:51 <Jordan> not sure how to use that....i'll play with it
Dec 30 22:13:14 <aholler> git clone will end in a directory full with firmwares
Dec 30 22:13:46 <aholler> you can download them here in pieces: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware.git;a=tree
Dec 30 22:15:18 <aholler> but when you have done the 'git clone' once, a 'git remote update' is enough to update the directory
Dec 30 22:16:20 <aholler> hmm, noyou have to fast forward. anyway, would be a good time to learn git too ;)
Dec 30 22:17:14 <Jordan> okay, so i need to upgrade the firmware on my dongle?
Dec 30 22:17:42 <aholler> don't know
Dec 30 22:19:09 <aholler> my crystal ball is broken
Dec 30 22:22:00 <Jordan> OKAY, THANKS
Dec 30 22:26:32 <wag> afternoon
Dec 30 22:26:57 <wag> i've run into a problem, and wonder if anyone can help.
Dec 30 22:27:10 <JohnBabrick_> hi
Dec 30 22:27:20 <wag> i've just gotten a beaglebone, and i did a software upgrade.
Dec 30 22:27:53 <wag> now i can no long access the beaglebone. not by the serial console nor ssh (no browser).
Dec 30 22:28:37 <wag> i was upgrading the stock angstrom that comes with the beaglebone.
Dec 30 22:29:03 <djlewis> was the "opkg upgrade" ever fixed?
Dec 30 22:29:11 <woglinde> djlewis no
Dec 30 22:29:21 <djlewis> it should be disabled
Dec 30 22:29:23 <woglinde> failing was a hot topic yesterday
Dec 30 22:29:45 <djlewis> it gets lots of newbies
Dec 30 22:30:02 <wag> mmm. well, i've gotten myself messed up trying "opkg upgrade"
Dec 30 22:30:12 <djlewis> I last tested it, on purpose, back in 2.6.29 days and it was broke.
Dec 30 22:30:21 <wag> can i reinstall an image on that sd card in a simple way?
Dec 30 22:30:56 * djlewis recommends keeping master card and purchasing fresh SD's for new testing
Dec 30 22:31:13 <djlewis> but it is irrelevant for you now :(
Dec 30 22:31:20 <wag> yeah.
Dec 30 22:31:56 <djlewis> woglinde: was disabling upgrade at the dnload site an option discussed?
Dec 30 22:32:41 <djlewis> wag: i am not familiar with the beaglebone requirements
Dec 30 22:32:47 <djlewis> for a new sd card
Dec 30 22:33:48 <djlewis> wag: start here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Dec 30 22:34:36 <wag> djlewis: thanks, i will look there.
Dec 30 22:34:48 <djlewis> looks like what you might need
Dec 30 22:44:30 <TheBurrito> anyone have any references to tricks for getting sound to work with C4?
Dec 30 22:45:07 <thurbad> what are you using that's not playing sound?
Dec 30 22:46:06 <TheBurrito> aplay
Dec 30 22:46:12 <TheBurrito> trying to play a wav file
Dec 30 22:46:32 <TheBurrito> also, trying to use festival crashes with a "close" message, but about 300 more e's
Dec 30 22:47:17 <TheBurrito> I have ubuntu natty on it, installed alsa, turned on the levels that the suggestions all over say to
Dec 30 22:47:52 <rcn-ee> TheBurrito, there was a couple things missing from Natty, which kernel (uname -a)
Dec 30 22:48:11 <TheBurrito> Linux omap 3.1.4-x6 #1 SMP Sun Dec 4 17:22:57 UTC 2011 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
Dec 30 22:48:50 <TheBurrito> in alsamixer I notice there's nothing listed next to Chip: 
Dec 30 22:49:24 <rcn-ee> that kernel should have working audio... it's just weither userspace's aplay knows how to set it up..
Dec 30 22:50:11 <rcn-ee> does: aplay --list-devices (show anything useful)
Dec 30 22:50:21 <TheBurrito> is there documentation somewhere I can pour through?
Dec 30 22:50:35 <TheBurrito> card 0: omap3beagle [omap3beagle], device 0: TWL4030 twl4030-hifi-0 []
Dec 30 22:50:35 <TheBurrito>   Subdevices: 0/1
Dec 30 22:50:35 <TheBurrito>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
Dec 30 22:52:11 <rcn-ee> that looks good so far...    i don't remember the trick in ubuntu, audio is something i never test..  
Dec 30 22:54:11 <rcn-ee> TheBurrito, alsa just might be broken in natty: looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/651302
Dec 30 22:54:43 <woglinde> TheBurrito is pulseaudio running?
Dec 30 22:54:50 <TheBurrito> yeah I looked through that one. Think it might work to get sources and compile myself?
Dec 30 22:54:54 <TheBurrito> no
Dec 30 22:55:00 <TheBurrito> haven't installed pa
Dec 30 22:55:06 <woglinde> okay
Dec 30 22:55:53 <woglinde> than try mplayer
Dec 30 22:57:11 <TheBurrito> ick. x11 dependencies
Dec 30 22:58:42 <rcn-ee> TheBurrito, found the fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+bug/760919  it goes back to fixes from mans that were ignored... (but shoudl have been applied)
Dec 30 23:03:42 <woglinde> so manually load the missing modules
Dec 30 23:06:49 <woglinde> hm looks like the patch was accepted upstream
Dec 30 23:07:08 <woglinde> but TheBurrito will get it work now
Dec 30 23:07:12 <thurbad> for aplay, on the beagle I had problems playing anything that wasn't  44.1kHz
Dec 30 23:08:29 <thurbad> and you need to specify -f cd or som such on the command line for aplay as well
Dec 30 23:13:39 <TheBurrito> >_< pebkac
Dec 30 23:19:20 <djlewis> all the bosses have left and its only me :(
Dec 30 23:20:27 <woglinde> haha
Dec 30 23:25:46 <nick5000> Same question here, maybe better here: (BeagleBone) Can I extract the update Angstrom image to the SD card if it is mounted via USB? Or do I need to get a SD card reader?
Dec 30 23:26:36 <nick5000> (with mounted I mean auto-mounted because the BeagleBone is connected via USB)
Dec 30 23:27:54 <djlewis> A SD card reader makes life so much easier
Dec 30 23:29:09 <nick5000> yeah, but is kinda hard to get at midnight ;)
Dec 30 23:30:31 <nick5000> the question is whether zcat .. >/dev/... works or will corrupt something... what do you think/know, djlewis ?  
Dec 30 23:31:28 <djlewis> if you are talking about replacing your file system on the SD while the bone is running, I dont think you can
Dec 30 23:32:03 <djlewis> most laptops and desktops since past several years have a SD reader built inl.
Dec 30 23:32:21 <nick5000> ok, that was what I thought as well. I don't think that the problem is the running system, but I don't know whether the usb connection gives a 1:1 access to the card.
Dec 30 23:33:00 <nick5000> unfortunately Apple decided in 2008 that SD cards are still meant to be "the future" but not "the present" ;)
Dec 30 23:33:09 <djlewis> oh.
Dec 30 23:33:48 <nick5000> but life does not depend on this update - for now ;)
Dec 30 23:34:57 <thurbad> the SD on my macbook is slower than hell
Dec 30 23:35:05 <djlewis> i'm leaving the office too due to a lack of interest..
Dec 30 23:36:12 <thurbad> have to use a external reader to get speeds beyond class 4
Dec 30 23:37:05 <nick5000> thx djlewis, bye
Dec 30 23:37:20 <nick5000> thurbad macbook? air? pro?
Dec 30 23:37:28 <thurbad> pro
Dec 30 23:37:42 <thurbad> early 2011 edition
Dec 30 23:38:36 <djlewis> later . . .
Dec 31 00:01:09 <TheBurrito> compiling festival from scratch to see if that helps the stupid audsp closeeeeeeeeeee problem
Dec 31 00:10:01 <muriani> aight folks
Dec 31 00:10:08 <muriani> Happy new year and all that jazz.
Dec 31 00:10:14 <muriani> see you guys on the flipside.
Dec 31 00:28:42 <nick5000> thurbad, too bad :(
Dec 31 00:28:49 <nick5000> gtg, cya
Dec 31 00:28:51 <johngalt> Where can I find pinmux drivers and info for setting up the bone?
Dec 31 00:34:29 <emeb> pinmux drivers?
Dec 31 00:36:16 <johngalt> yea, pinmux drivers
Dec 31 00:37:25 <johngalt> like it would be really nice to find a kernel module that would ease setting of the pinmux
Dec 31 00:38:29 <johngalt> ...or even good definitive info on getting the basic hardware configured with the peripherals one wants on the pisn they want.
Dec 31 00:39:14 <jay6981> the TRM has definitive info
Dec 31 00:41:05 <johngalt> trm?
Dec 31 00:41:56 <johngalt> you mean SRM?
Dec 31 00:42:20 <jay6981> no, the SoC TRM
Dec 31 00:43:04 <johngalt> not familiar with that, could you provide a pointer or link please?
Dec 31 00:43:50 <jay6981> johngalt: blacksun mean anything to you?
Dec 31 00:47:01 <johngalt> jay6981: no, why?  not sure what that has to do with TRM?
Dec 31 00:47:28 <jay6981> nothing. i thought you might be someone else.
Dec 31 00:48:20 <jay6981> bone trm: http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73c/spruh73c.pdf
Dec 31 00:57:31 <JohnBabrick_> do you mind if we call you "bruce"?
Dec 31 01:06:15 <johngalt> is there a linux abstraction to the bone pinmux.  The TRM is a bit low level to be helpful.
Dec 31 01:06:52 <Jordan> hi, I'm trying to get some wireless usb drivers setup
Dec 31 01:07:15 <Jordan> according to wireless.kernel.org, I need to get the carl9170 setup
Dec 31 01:07:23 <jay6981> i'm glad I spend the time to find it. you're welcome.
Dec 31 01:07:53 <Jordan> does that entail building the Compat-wireless tar? I'm running into some build errors early on in it
Dec 31 01:09:02 <johngalt> Jay6981:  it's appreciated, just looking to see if something a bit higher leve was available that's all.
Dec 31 01:12:34 <johngalt> trying to get hardware devices set up such that serial ports show up as /dev/tty and i2c shows up as /dev/I2Cx, and the gpio's can be written by userland code in some way.
Dec 31 01:40:37 <dsoto> how do i start the gateone service on my beaglebone?  
Dec 31 01:41:25 <dsoto> cloud9 came up automatically on my 2011.12 distro, do i need to start gateone?
Dec 31 01:52:06 <dsoto> i've looked through the gateone documentation and can't find the installation location to try and run it
Dec 31 01:53:47 <dsoto> when i try to open http://192.168.1.26:443/ on my browser, i get "The connection to 192.168.1.26 was interrupted."
Dec 31 01:54:45 <zumi> I had luck rebooting the 'bone a few times
Dec 31 01:55:07 <zumi> I still haven't been able to get an actual session going, but i got around some basic protocol errors with reboots
Dec 31 01:55:43 <zumi> I get the impression that things don't necessarily start cleanly all the time
Dec 31 01:59:01 <zumi> dsoto: does clound9 work?
Dec 31 01:59:46 <dsoto> zumi: cloud9 works just fine
Dec 31 01:59:51 <dsoto> i'll try a reboot
Dec 31 02:00:26 <Jordan> does anyone know how to get the new angstrom distrib onto an SD card, if I have a windows box?
Dec 31 02:00:48 <zumi> use the ubuntu win32imagewriter app
Dec 31 02:00:49 <Jordan> I'm running cygwin, but I don't see anything in /dev
Dec 31 02:00:52 <zumi> works like a treat
Dec 31 02:00:59 <zumi> even in win8
Dec 31 02:01:15 <dsoto> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager
Dec 31 02:01:20 <zumi> ^ +
Dec 31 02:01:41 <zumi> sorry, I had the name confused with a work tool >_>
Dec 31 02:03:17 <dsoto> zumi: i did a reboot, cloud9 works, port 80 works, gateone on 443 doesn't work
Dec 31 02:04:24 <zumi> I was getting an error about an endless loop in my browser at first
Dec 31 02:04:36 <Jordan> my LSUSB keeps freezing...hopefully the new distrib fixes it up...thanks for the win32DiskImageLink @dsoto
Dec 31 02:04:41 <zumi> without doing anything other than rebooting, it eventually brought up the UI
Dec 31 02:05:04 <zumi> now, I also ran opkg update; opkg upgrade too, though I am pretty sure I did that afterwards
Dec 31 02:06:21 <zumi> regardless, even though I get the GateOne UI, it isn't able to go anywhere; I am running off the FTDI interface though
Dec 31 02:07:03 <zumi> I was hoping to get further when I got home tonight
Dec 31 02:10:46 <dsoto> zumi: thanks for the info.  i don't need it, ssh works fine, but i was just curious
Dec 31 02:34:58 <qwebirc846948> I'm getting a kernel panic syncing VFS
Dec 31 02:35:10 <qwebirc846948> Any suggestions on troubleshooting this? 
Dec 31 02:35:38 <qwebirc846948> I tried this: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/1796d968087ef1f5
Dec 31 02:35:43 <qwebirc846948> But it didn't help
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Dec 31 03:37:02 <mranostay> another drive by irc :)
Dec 31 03:37:46 <jay6981> he stayed for over 10 minutes
Dec 31 03:39:13 <jay6981> has anyone ever noticed that exception vectors don't work in u-boot on boards without nand?
Dec 31 03:46:37 <TheBurrito> is there a log file of all of the output from sys v init bootup?
Dec 31 03:48:47 <mranostay> TheBurrito: log the console? :P
Dec 31 03:50:28 <jay6981> probably the easiest way actually
Dec 31 03:51:01 <jay6981> check where syslog logs too
Dec 31 03:55:01 <TheBurrito> I don't have a locally attached console
Dec 31 04:09:16 <mranostay> SOL? :)
Dec 31 04:10:28 <TheBurrito> guess I'll have to dig my serial cable back out to figure out why I can get roscore to start on boot >_< so archaic
Dec 31 04:28:15 <tlab> anyone compiled a kernel for beaglebone and got it to work?  I compiled the one in the sdk and I get a kernel panic
Dec 31 04:39:00 <tlab> hmm guess I should try this reproducing OE on the beaglebone download page
Dec 31 09:09:18 <Vignesh> hey
Dec 31 09:49:43 <Vignesh> ?
Dec 31 10:06:45 <_av500_> !
Dec 31 10:48:18 <JohnBabrick_> Hello
Dec 31 11:12:21 <knotty> Sunday, 1 January 2012, 01:04 LINT : so happy new year
Dec 31 11:12:22 <_av500_> World
Dec 31 11:12:39 <_av500_> knotty: same to you
Dec 31 18:18:22 <Jordan_> Hi y'all
Dec 31 18:18:40 <Jordan_> I am getting a weird error that is causing my USB devices to get screwed up
Dec 31 18:18:49 <Jordan_> From a dmesg, I am seeing, "ti81xx_interrupt 863: CAUTION: musb1: Babble Interrupt Occured"
Dec 31 18:19:03 <Jordan_> "ti81xx_interrupt 864: Please issue long reset to make usb functional !!"
Dec 31 18:19:28 <Jordan_> http://www.fpaste.org/Bsv1/
Dec 31 18:19:50 <dsoto> Jordan_: i was getting that exact message recently
Dec 31 18:20:10 <dsoto> what device are you sending to and how much data are you sending?
Dec 31 18:20:22 <Jordan_> i'm receiving...it's a gps dongle
Dec 31 18:20:54 <Jordan_> not sure how to quantify, but it's coming thorugh at 115200 and I run "stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw"
Dec 31 18:21:12 <Jordan_> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC
Dec 31 18:21:40 <dsoto> when i was sending to a GPRS modem and my stream was over 128 bytes, i would get the message
Dec 31 18:21:55 <dsoto> you might be overflowing the serial buffer or something like that
Dec 31 18:22:32 <dsoto> my workaround (again sending not receiving) was to put in small delays to break up the characters and give time for the buffer to flush
Dec 31 18:22:49 <Jordan_> hmmm, unfortunately I don't think that I can do that
Dec 31 18:22:55 <dsoto> i'm not sure you have that sort of control over your gps dongle, or if it is the problem
Dec 31 18:23:28 <Jordan_> i bet that is the problem
Dec 31 18:23:38 <Jordan_> I've been running a ping to the beaglebone continuoiusly
Dec 31 18:23:46 <Jordan_> and at that time, suddenly the ping time jumped..
Dec 31 18:23:46 <Jordan_> Reply from 192.168.1.6: bytes=32 time=2480ms TTL=64
Dec 31 18:24:22 <Jordan_> so something caused the bone to suddenly freeze for 2.5 seconds, and that would be consistent with your theory that a buffer is filling up
Dec 31 18:24:50 <dsoto> makes sense, good luck
Dec 31 18:27:02 <Jordan_> hmm, bummer
Dec 31 18:27:13 <Jordan_> is there anyway to tell what's making the bone suddenly freeze?
Dec 31 18:27:23 <Jordan_> or expand the size of the buffer
Dec 31 18:27:24 <Jordan_> ?
Dec 31 18:29:02 <dsoto> Jordan_: sorry, i'm not sure on either one.  
Dec 31 18:29:20 <Jordan_> okay, thanks. I guess maybe I should post something to the msg board
Dec 31 18:29:23 <dsoto> i got lucky since i could put delays in my serial output and fix it
Dec 31 20:13:27 <Jordan_> hi, i've been having a lot of difficulty getting a wifi usb dongle up and running
Dec 31 20:13:45 <Jordan_> i have the firmware and modules installed for my RTL8192cu device
Dec 31 20:13:55 <Jordan_> but "ifconfig wlan0 up" just freezes
Dec 31 20:33:29 <woglinde> use a better one
Dec 31 20:35:01 <mranostay> woglinde: heh beat me to it :)
Dec 31 20:35:15 * mranostay remembers wifi state in Linux in 2004-5
Dec 31 20:35:22 * mranostay shudders
Dec 31 22:02:33 <koen> woglinde: it might not be the fault of the wifi dongle, the usb driver is &$*(#*$( broken
Dec 31 22:02:48 <woglinde> koen ah hm
Dec 31 22:02:52 <koen> woglinde: it now has 2 MUSB controllers and the locking is largely missing
Dec 31 22:02:57 <woglinde> musb strikes back
Dec 31 22:03:33 <koen> I can make g_ether take 100% cpu by just connect it to my workstation
Dec 31 22:03:56 <woglinde> hm bone mx or all?
Dec 31 22:04:46 <koen> just the kernel on the bone
Dec 31 22:05:04 <woglinde> hm why did you choose musb again
Dec 31 22:05:13 <woglinde> or is it hard build in?
Dec 31 22:05:36 <koen> it's a piece of silicon
Dec 31 22:05:55 <woglinde> so indian devision should fix it
Dec 31 22:06:33 <koen> it took >3 weeks to get them to understand that plugging in a device into the host port should work
Dec 31 22:06:39 <koen> e.g. boot from usb mass storage
Dec 31 22:06:45 <woglinde> hm anyway
Dec 31 22:06:50 <woglinde> usb is always piece of shit
Jan 01 00:41:24 <STrRedWlf> Heya, all. I'm having problems with a SanDisk 16gb Class-4 SDHC on my BeagleBone Rev A3. The board (USB or DC powered) acts like there's no card inserted. PWR and Ethernet amber is on, but it stays there.
Jan 01 00:41:55 <STrRedWlf> I'm trying to boot Gentoo on it; Angstrom works ok on the Kingston 4gb.
Jan 01 00:59:48 * STrRedWlf waves...
Jan 01 01:21:16 <STrRedWlf> Hmmmm... looks like I need to come in the morning.
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Jan 01 05:06:17 <beagleboner> Happy New Years Everyone!
Jan 01 05:07:08 <mranostay> i got an hour to go :)
Jan 01 05:13:42 * mranostay thinks beagleboner may be a bot
Jan 01 05:14:03 <leslie_> any one succeed sending video via gstreamer rtp on beagle xm to pc vlc? I alwasy got main error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called in vlc
Jan 01 05:14:30 <leslie_> it seems encoding it too slow on beagle xm?
Jan 01 05:18:02 <mranostay> heh yeah that is going to be problem :)
Jan 01 05:18:21 <mranostay> esp over 10/100 even
Jan 01 05:20:05 <leslie_> any suggestion for how to solve it?
Jan 01 05:20:54 <mranostay> what are you encoding?
Jan 01 05:21:57 <leslie_> a v4l2src, encode to h264, by TIVidenc1 codecName=h264enc engineName=codecServer 
Jan 01 05:22:33 <leslie_> I have encoded and save it to an avi file, it is correct and can be play in vlc
Jan 01 05:40:44 <mranostay> who is johngalt?
Jan 01 05:41:27 <johngalt> long story  - with roots in irc itself...
Jan 01 05:42:59 <johngalt> when I first started on irc everyone kept /whois my nick.  so I changed my nic to johngalt...  and it stuck.
Jan 01 05:43:12 <johngalt> the rest is history
Jan 01 05:49:52 <leslie_> I just tried x264enc instead of TIVidenc1, I can see video shows in PC vlc, but very slow
Jan 01 05:50:13 <leslie_> why TIVidenc1 is slower than x264enc? 
Jan 01 05:50:49 <leslie_> I'm using image created from http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/
Jan 01 05:52:02 <mranostay> johngalt: good novel but 500 pages longer than it needer to be :P
Jan 01 05:52:32 <mranostay> leslie_: i don't think streaming from BBxM to PC is really going to be fast :)
Jan 01 05:53:31 <johngalt> mranostay: I didn't write it
Jan 01 05:54:15 <mranostay> johngalt: heh i know. geez :)
Jan 01 05:54:25 <leslie_> mranostay: for encoding will be slow? or some reason? I don't see the pipeline doing too many things...and cpu is 1GHz
Jan 01 05:54:58 <mranostay> leslie_: what are you encoding 1080p video?
Jan 01 05:55:20 <leslie_> mranostay: just a 320x240 30fps camera video
Jan 01 05:55:48 <leslie_> I got a regular uvc camera connected on bb xm
Jan 01 05:56:14 <mranostay> heh ok that shouldn't be an issue then
Jan 01 05:58:18 <leslie_> pipeline on bb xm: gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! TIVidenc1 codecName=h264enc engineName=codecServer ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host=192.168.0.1 port=5000 sync=false async=false
Jan 01 05:59:16 <leslie_> if I replace TIVidenc1 encoder to x264enc, I can see very slow video in vlc, but with TIVidenc1, there never shows any image
Jan 01 10:59:49 <aholler> happy new year.
Jan 01 11:03:42 <aholler> the one who had that idea to two musb for the bone must be an optimistic person living in a sunny world. ;)
Jan 01 11:06:43 <VIgnesh> hello guyz
Jan 01 11:07:00 <VIgnesh> Happy new year to all!
Jan 01 13:11:14 <STrRedWlf> Hmmm... not alot of activity...
Jan 01 13:40:12 <VIgnesh> hello
Jan 01 13:56:51 <STrRedWlf> Heya.
Jan 01 13:58:20 <STrRedWlf> Anyone know if the Beaglebone is sensitive to what type of card is used? I'm trying to boot Gentoo off a Sandisk 16gb Class 4 SDHC, and it's acting like the card isn't there.
Jan 01 14:02:51 <dm8tbr> most of those SoCs are picky as to formatting etc.
Jan 01 14:03:36 <STrRedWlf> Problem is, I used the script on armin76's Gentoo guide at            lwithers mrd Luca256_ bgamari nemik Matt_O2 zumipin ben_kludged 
Jan 01 14:03:36 <STrRedWlf>            sakoman ssvb cjohnston thurbad rsalveti signal11 javaJake Gareth 
Jan 01 14:03:36 <STrRedWlf>            ghoti ggreer mpr grey_wolf Zygo matt5 w|zzy RushPL mrshu cipher 
Jan 01 14:03:36 <STrRedWlf>            vhold myhrman j4son
Jan 01 14:03:36 <STrRedWlf> *#* Users on #beagle: openfree Phosphate jkridner mIKEjONES Oltsu_ mranostay 
Jan 01 14:04:20 <STrRedWlf> Sorry about that flood. 
Jan 01 14:05:01 <STrRedWlf> Anyway, as I was saying, I used the script pointed to by armin76's guide here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beaglebone/install.xml
Jan 01 14:13:07 <Jordan_> Happy new years!
Jan 01 14:13:41 <STrRedWlf> Is Sandisk SDHC's particuarly bad? I got the Beagleboard running of a Kingston 4gb Class-4.
Jan 01 14:16:38 <armin76> STrRedWlf: heh, that was fast :)
Jan 01 14:17:19 <armin76> STrRedWlf: i just made the guide public yesterday
Jan 01 14:18:08 <STrRedWlf> Ahhh.  Yeah, I'm using a Sandisk 16GB Class-4 SDHC, and it's acting like it's not there at all.
Jan 01 14:18:34 <armin76> can you try with another sd card?
Jan 01 14:19:54 <STrRedWlf> I'll check with another Sandisk 16GB and a Kingston 4GB. I doubt it's the laptop I'm using to put the image in.
Jan 01 14:20:42 <STrRedWlf> It's the same (Gentoo running) laptop I used to put Gentoo on a Kingston 4GB (different guide, though).
Jan 01 14:26:57 <STrRedWlf> Slapping it on another Kingston 4GB (which came w/the beaglebone).  I saved a "stage4" tarball from the old card.
Jan 01 14:28:22 <question> how do i connect my beagleboard xm to my VGA screen?
Jan 01 14:28:44 <STrRedWlf> It's just a straight VGA CRT?
Jan 01 14:29:25 <question> yes my desktop computer
Jan 01 14:29:59 <STrRedWlf> Your desktop computer's monitor? Or you want to feed it into the PC?
Jan 01 14:30:46 <question> desktop monitor for display
Jan 01 14:32:08 <dm8tbr> question: you can't
Jan 01 14:32:17 <dm8tbr> question: you need to use DVI
Jan 01 14:32:38 <STrRedWlf> Actually, the XM can support VGA with ether an add-on card, or a DVI-D to VGA converter.
Jan 01 14:32:45 <woglinde> dm8tbr wrong, he needs an usb-vga adapter
Jan 01 14:33:33 <dm8tbr> rrrrright...
Jan 01 14:33:34 <STrRedWlf> I haven't seen a card for the XM (only the regular bboard) but if you google "beagleboard XM VGA" you'll find some ways of getting DVI-D to VGA.
Jan 01 14:36:00 <armin76> and DVI -> VGA converters aren't cheap
Jan 01 14:36:43 <question> ok so whats the best solution? 
Jan 01 14:36:50 <dm8tbr> get a DVI screen
Jan 01 14:37:10 <STrRedWlf> armin76: $40 US?
Jan 01 14:38:09 <koen> STrRedWlf: you need an active converter
Jan 01 14:38:58 <STrRedWlf> Would this fit: http://blog.galemin.com/2011/03/dvi-d-to-vga-converter-for-beagleboard-xm/
Jan 01 14:42:51 <VIgnesh> hey?
Jan 01 14:43:59 <STrRedWlf> Oh hai
Jan 01 14:44:30 <VIgnesh> Beaglebone?
Jan 01 14:44:46 <dm8tbr> Beagleboard?
Jan 01 14:46:10 <STrRedWlf> Yes?
Jan 01 14:46:52 <question> ok so i will buy the beagle board converter
Jan 01 14:48:05 <STrRedWlf> question: If it was a regular BBoard I would point you to boardzoo's Beagle VGA Board.  I have that and it works beautifully.
Jan 01 14:48:59 <question> its a BB xm
Jan 01 14:49:34 <question> my roomate has a pandaboard and he has the same problem too
Jan 01 14:50:53 <STrRedWlf> Hmmm... you're best bet is to get a cheap, 15" DVI-D LCD.  They may be cheaper than that adapter I pointed to above.
Jan 01 14:53:07 <dm8tbr> they might be obtained from a dumpster near you
Jan 01 14:53:26 * dm8tbr sees old screens with dvi being thrown out all the time
Jan 01 14:53:35 <dm8tbr> 1024 or so, but hey...
Jan 01 14:54:52 <VIgnesh> how do u program in embedded system?
Jan 01 14:54:54 <VIgnesh> ??
Jan 01 14:55:11 <STrRedWlf> Which platform? On the Beagleboard?
Jan 01 14:55:19 <VIgnesh> *embedded linux in beaglebone
Jan 01 14:55:27 <VIgnesh> is der any good publication
Jan 01 14:55:55 <STrRedWlf> Know C?
Jan 01 14:56:01 <VIgnesh> little
Jan 01 14:56:08 <STrRedWlf> Know Perl?
Jan 01 14:56:33 <dm8tbr> know shell-scripting?
Jan 01 14:58:19 <STrRedWlf> The essence is, this is a pocket Linux system. So if you can write programs against Linux, you're good!
Jan 01 14:59:20 <question> ok...
Jan 01 15:02:33 <question> will the same program code run on a pandaboard?
Jan 01 15:02:49 <STrRedWlf> Should.  Same processor code.
Jan 01 15:02:58 <STrRedWlf> Worse comes to worse, it's a recompile.
Jan 01 15:03:49 <question> i mean give me a good reason why i  should not buy the pandaboard and stick to the xm,
Jan 01 15:03:50 <question> ?
Jan 01 15:04:52 <VIgnesh> cost
Jan 01 15:05:10 <STrRedWlf> And I think you loose Ethernet.
Jan 01 15:05:32 <STrRedWlf> nope, you still have Ethernet, but you loose two USB ports.
Jan 01 15:07:36 <question> I dont need the 2 USB ports
Jan 01 15:08:13 <question> so help me out here.......XM or Pandaboard?
Jan 01 15:09:09 <STrRedWlf> Hey Armin76, negative on the different make of card.  
Jan 01 15:10:55 <question> can i say the pandaboard replaces the beagle board xm +has additional features?
Jan 01 15:15:48 <armin76> STrRedWlf: maybe its the size?
Jan 01 15:16:18 <armin76> i only have a 8gb card as much i could try
Jan 01 15:16:29 <STrRedWlf> I doubt it. I used the same card that the Beaglebone's Angstrom demo image on it, and that worked.
Jan 01 15:16:41 <STrRedWlf> Let me see if it's MLO...
Jan 01 15:18:48 <question> have u tried installing a home server on the xM?
Jan 01 15:19:02 <armin76> STrRedWlf: that could be :)
Jan 01 15:19:10 <STrRedWlf> Worse. I've run Minecraft on the origional.
Jan 01 15:19:20 <STrRedWlf> Server version, mind you.
Jan 01 15:20:46 <armin76> STrRedWlf: i'll try with a 8gb card dd'ing /dev/zero first and see what happens
Jan 01 15:21:00 <question> ok i managed to install CCS
Jan 01 15:21:29 <question> but i am having problems connecting to the board
Jan 01 15:24:39 <STrRedWlf> Hmmm... nope... One last check... see if I can blow in the demo on the 16 gig...
Jan 01 15:28:30 <armin76> STrRedWlf: if you're bored try with http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/mkcard.txt
Jan 01 15:29:25 <STrRedWlf> I got that pulled.  I'm slapping the demo back on the 4 gig Kingston.
Jan 01 15:36:40 <STrRedWlf> Okay... BBoard still compiling updates. Demo image back on the 4gig... and 16 gig getting a reformat...
Jan 01 15:37:49 <STrRedWlf> Okay, demo image is working on the 4gb, so it's not the card...
Jan 01 15:50:46 <armin76> STrRedWlf: try using that script instead of mine
Jan 01 15:50:58 <armin76> i'll let you know what the results are with the zeroed sd card
Jan 01 15:52:29 <STrRedWlf> Doing that now. I'm blowing in my saved copy of the Gentoo install...
Jan 01 15:53:17 <woglinde> *sigh* ti should have made it 100 euros
Jan 01 16:00:24 <STrRedWlf> And to think the Raspberry Pi's beta boards are going for thousands of UK pounds...
Jan 01 16:05:08 <emeb> it's a fetish
Jan 01 16:05:41 <armin76> STrRedWlf: hrm...i forgot the 8gb card i have is sd, not micro :P
Jan 01 16:05:43 <armin76> stupid me :D
Jan 01 16:09:18 <STrRedWlf> Hehe... We'll work on that. 
Jan 01 16:09:50 <STrRedWlf> armin76: You're not on the US, are you?
Jan 01 16:18:45 <STrRedWlf> s/on/in/
Jan 01 16:19:13 <Jordan_> arrg...i am going crazy trying to get my wifi usb dongle to work
Jan 01 16:19:26 <Jordan_> lsusb keeps freezing now
Jan 01 16:21:12 <STrRedWlf> Did you just yank the USB dongle out?
Jan 01 16:21:30 <Jordan_> no, i kept it and rebotted via a pulling the power cord
Jan 01 16:21:34 <STrRedWlf> I heard that there's a bug in which if you unplug the USB, the USB system stops working.
Jan 01 16:21:50 <Jordan_> yes, I've definetly seen that bug. this was different
Jan 01 16:22:02 <Jordan_> okay, I just tried with the previous build (2011-11-16), and lsusb is working again
Jan 01 16:22:21 <STrRedWlf> Demo image build?
Jan 01 16:22:38 <Jordan_> Yes, i guess the demo image...the default angstrom build
Jan 01 16:22:44 <Jordan_> Now I run "ip link set wlan0 up" but this just hangs indefinetly
Jan 01 16:24:32 <dm8tbr> out of curiosity, which chipset is this?
Jan 01 16:24:47 <STrRedWlf> On the Beaglebone?
Jan 01 16:25:27 <dm8tbr> of his usb stick for wifi
Jan 01 16:26:43 <STrRedWlf> Oh yeah, you have to be picky about wifi dongles in general... 
Jan 01 16:27:18 <aholler> Jordan_: what usb you are using?
Jan 01 16:27:50 <Jordan_> a netgear dongle. WNA1000M
Jan 01 16:28:03 <Jordan_> Okay, I just restarted and it wasn't found this time. LSUSB freezes. Something is finiky
Jan 01 16:28:08 <aholler> usb, that means which beagle. I had big problems with devices which are resetting after loading a firmware
Jan 01 16:28:17 <aholler> with musb#
Jan 01 16:28:29 <aholler> that got never fixed as long as i know
Jan 01 16:29:03 <aholler> and most wifi-dongles are doing that
Jan 01 16:29:10 <Jordan_> any advice?
Jan 01 16:29:27 <dm8tbr> Jordan_: we need much more info, dmesg output to pastebin etc
Jan 01 16:29:30 <Jordan_> this actually worked one-time too, so somehow this gives me hope
Jan 01 16:29:32 <aholler> what board you are using?
Jan 01 16:30:24 <STrRedWlf> Can you plug the Wifi dongle into a Linux-running PC and get the vendor/product ID number off of that? Also, what kernel is being used on the board you're using?
Jan 01 16:32:15 <Jordan_> okay, I just pasted the output from dmesg here..
Jan 01 16:32:18 <Jordan_> http://www.fpaste.org/Cq0r/
Jan 01 16:32:52 <Jordan_> I'm running BeagleBone, linux 3.1.0+, and when lsusb works, it says ("Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0846:9041 NetGear, Inc. ")
Jan 01 16:34:19 <STrRedWlf> Going through the list now.  It's an rtlwificu device, driver in kernel 3.0.
Jan 01 16:37:11 <STrRedWlf> Hmmm... Although googling around... is there any files in /lib/firmware/rtlwifi?
Jan 01 16:38:27 <Jordan_> yes, i installed this package via opkg
Jan 01 16:38:58 <Jordan_> when i fun "ifup wlan0", i see this in dmesg, " rtl8192c_common: Loading firmware file rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin "
Jan 01 16:39:07 <Jordan_> but the "ifup wlan0" then never returns
Jan 01 16:40:16 <dm8tbr> I'd rather try step by step manually
Jan 01 16:40:36 <dm8tbr> is your network encrypted? WEP? WPA-PSK?
Jan 01 16:40:49 <Jordan_> nope, i unecryntped it to make it syimple
Jan 01 16:40:57 <Jordan_> sure, how can i do it step-by-step? this is all new to me
Jan 01 16:41:56 <STrRedWlf> good old iwconfig...
Jan 01 16:42:09 <dm8tbr> after inserting the dongle I'd start with 'iwconfig' and then 'ifconfig up 199.999.999.999' (hint use correct values)
Jan 01 16:43:36 <Jordan_> i'm using dhcp....should that be an ip address?
Jan 01 16:44:47 <STrRedWlf> I'd use: iwconfig wlan0 essid "My wifi network name here"
Jan 01 16:44:59 <STrRedWlf> Followed by: dhcpcd wlan0
Jan 01 16:45:14 <woglinde> jordan as koen sayed yesterday musb is fucked up, it eill not work until somefixed the bloody musb driver
Jan 01 16:45:15 <STrRedWlf> Although I think the beaglebone uses dhclient.
Jan 01 16:46:04 <STrRedWlf> Okay, that makes me look into a USB hub cape.
Jan 01 16:46:11 <Jordan_> okay, so i can't really use usb (or MUSB whatever that is?) until it's fixed? grrr. I can't imagine I'm the only one trying to use a wifi usb dongle
Jan 01 16:53:32 <STrRedWlf> armin: It may be a problem w/my built-in reader. I'm trying again with a USB adapter now.
Jan 01 16:54:14 <Jordan_> "dhcpcd wlan0" is not found
Jan 01 16:54:32 <STrRedWlf> Try dhclient instead.
Jan 01 16:54:45 <Jordan_> that's not found either
Jan 01 16:54:58 <STrRedWlf> udhcpcd?
Jan 01 16:55:02 <Jordan_> i can install the package for "dhcp-client"?
Jan 01 16:55:07 <STrRedWlf> Do that.
Jan 01 16:55:23 <aholler> don't try dhcp until your dongle is associated
Jan 01 16:55:33 <aholler> it doesn't make sense before
Jan 01 16:55:40 <Jordan_> associated with the access point? okay, i can't get that far
Jan 01 16:56:44 <STrRedWlf> Ahhh, in that case, "ifconfig wlan0 up" before you dhcpcd it.
Jan 01 16:57:12 <Jordan_> yup, freezes there. I guess nothing i can do?
Jan 01 16:57:20 <Jordan_> wait for someone to fix this musb thing?
Jan 01 16:58:29 <STrRedWlf> Hopefully in time for Linux 3.3
Jan 01 16:59:09 <Jordan_> i guess that's the risk of using new stuff...kinda useless for my app without wifi.  do you think i might have better luck with a different wifi dongle? 
Jan 01 16:59:15 <aholler> debug it, and send reports to the devs
Jan 01 16:59:20 <Jordan_> i have another one here, but the drivers look harder to use
Jan 01 16:59:43 <Jordan_> okay...i guess i can send to the devs by posting on the beagleboard group?
Jan 01 17:00:37 <aholler> could be a good start
Jan 01 17:01:38 <aholler> as long as you tell them something mor specific than just 'freezes'.
Jan 01 17:01:49 <Jordan_> It looks like some guys had some luck recompiling other USB drivers with smaller buffer sizes, which is probably beyond my expertise (http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/38bc72ddf999426d)
Jan 01 17:02:01 <Jordan_> sure, I can post the dmesg logs, but beyond that, not sure what else i can post
Jan 01 17:10:49 <aholler> koen: if the bone only has musb, I think that one might hit some more people: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=129476135123562&w=2
Jan 01 17:11:23 <aholler> looking at musb_dma_completion() in musb_core.c the problem still seems to exist
Jan 01 17:18:28 <STrRedWlf> armin: Negative.  Nothing is working, even using the Angstrom MLO/uboot isn't working ether.  
Jan 01 17:21:16 <armin76> STrRedWlf: nope i'm not in the us, i'm on spain
Jan 01 17:21:41 <armin76> STrRedWlf: so it didn't work with the other mkcard script? well, thats interesting...
Jan 01 17:22:09 <armin76> STrRedWlf: tell you what...i'll create an image and give you the dd img, okay?
Jan 01 17:22:40 <STrRedWlf> armin76: No prob.
Jan 01 17:25:13 <STrRedWlf> armin76: Reason I ask, because Radio Shack here in the US was doing a sale of the 16 gig Sandisk Class-4 uSDHC's, $20 US.
Jan 01 18:01:20 <tzafrir_laptop> Are questions regarding other OMAP3-based board off-topic here? Specifically the graphic adapter
Jan 01 18:01:27 <tzafrir_laptop> driver
Jan 01 18:02:12 <Jordan_> Hmm, this is weird but if I connect my dongle through a usb hub I have to my 'bone, I get a little further
Jan 01 18:03:06 <tzafrir_laptop> I try to use the omap3 xorg driver, and I get an error for "missing fbdev"
Jan 01 18:03:28 <Jordan_> lsusb now works, and i can set the ESSID in iwconfig. Alas, it's still not assocaited
Jan 01 18:03:30 <tzafrir_laptop> (I run Debian, using the original kernel from the devkit)
Jan 01 18:09:57 <dm8tbr> Jordan_: that might only happen once you set an ip on the interface and bring it up using ifconfig
Jan 01 18:10:52 <Jordan_> okay, i was hoping to use DHCP, but I can try setting a static IP
Jan 01 18:12:50 <dm8tbr> let's start with manual interface configuration
Jan 01 18:13:58 <aholler> Jordan_: setting up an ip, either manual or with dhcp doesn't make sense until you dongle is associated
Jan 01 18:15:47 <dm8tbr> aholler: I remember that sometimes drivers only associate if you 'ifconfig up' the interface
Jan 01 18:16:14 <Jordan_> thanks aholler   yes, that's what I thought
Jan 01 18:16:24 <Jordan_> I am getting this error on "ifup wlan0"   http://www.fpaste.org/iILN/
Jan 01 18:16:34 <Jordan_> Is that signficant?
Jan 01 18:17:07 <dm8tbr> I'd like to see the dmesg output too
Jan 01 18:21:29 <Jordan_> okay, some of the dmesg is here.. http://www.fpaste.org/kvNv/
Jan 01 18:21:32 <Jordan_> I'm getting a lot of weird messages
Jan 01 18:25:37 <dm8tbr> it looks like your usb bus gets reset a lot
Jan 01 18:26:25 <Jordan_> yeah, no idea what could be doing that
Jan 01 18:26:54 <dm8tbr> most likely the wifi device in connection with the musb core
Jan 01 18:27:55 <Jordan_> okay, it sounds like pretty much everyone is telling me that there's something wrong with musb
Jan 01 18:28:03 <Jordan_> i think this is a lost cause for me, so I'll just throw in the towel
Jan 01 18:28:26 <dm8tbr> musb is a harsh mistress
Jan 01 18:40:32 <Jordan_> indeed
Jan 01 18:40:45 <Jordan_> in another problem, I'm getting some trouble reading from my GPS device
Jan 01 18:40:56 <Jordan_> Some sort of bugger is getting overrun..."[  268.267521] ttyUSB0: 1 input overrun(s) "
Jan 01 18:41:10 <Jordan_> is there any sort of buffer that I can increase the size of?
Jan 01 19:08:18 <armin76> STrRedWlf: http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beaglebone/gentoo.img.xz
Jan 01 19:08:40 <armin76> STrRedWlf: sorry it took a while, had to compress it on my smartbook :)
Jan 01 19:08:47 <armin76> note its only the first partition
Jan 01 19:09:49 <armin76> well, its the entire sd card but with the 2nd partition empty
Jan 01 19:21:42 <leslie_> Hi, any element can use hardware to replace ffmpegcolorspace for color conversion?
Jan 01 19:22:04 <leslie_> it is very slow using ffmpegcolorspace on beagle xm
Jan 01 19:49:17 <le4thab> hey
Jan 01 19:49:49 <le4thab> can anyone offer me some guidence?
Jan 01 19:59:33 <ka6sox> 3 minutes, not a record yet...
Jan 01 20:09:40 <woglinde_> ka6sox he waited 14 minutes before
Jan 01 20:09:47 <woglinde_> but now I cannt help him
Jan 01 20:10:12 <ka6sox> woglinde_, they think that IRC is instant answers...
Jan 01 21:11:41 <STrRedWlf> armin: Okay, I can take that.
Jan 01 21:47:56 <STrRedWlf> armin: Let me know how you want to get the image to me.
Jan 01 22:21:25 <rmoriz> woglinde_: how long are you active on irc?
Jan 01 22:23:01 <armin76> STrRedWlf: i gave you a link :)
Jan 01 22:24:33 <STrRedWlf> Oh, there, in my scrollback. This is what I get for using a perl IRC client.
Jan 01 22:43:38 <STrRedWlf> Plugged in...
Jan 01 22:45:34 <woglinde_> rmoriz since 97?
Jan 01 22:46:13 <woglinde_> good nite
Jan 01 22:59:02 <STrRedWlf> armin76: Negative on that image.  No boot, no nothing. Not even a serial term opening up.
Jan 01 23:23:58 <defendguin1> has anyone got ICS working on a beagleboard?
Jan 02 00:46:55 <zumipin> anyone have a brand recommendation for a reasonably priced calipers?
Jan 02 00:50:19 <ka6sox> zumipin, where are you?
Jan 02 00:50:42 <zumipin> milwaukee
Jan 02 00:51:15 <ka6sox> I use the ones from *choke* harbor freight *choke*
Jan 02 00:51:20 <ka6sox> and they work okay.
Jan 02 00:51:25 <ka6sox> for what I use them for.
Jan 02 00:52:09 <zumipin> I keep seeing warnings about those
Jan 02 00:52:54 <zumipin> I was being impulsive and got one from menards...bad idea, horribly inaccurate 
Jan 02 00:53:03 <STrRedWlf> Have you checked Adafruit or Sparkfun?
Jan 02 00:53:39 <zumipin> not specifically, looking for stuff I could spend my amazon gift card on first
Jan 02 00:54:00 <zumipin> I could see what brands they use though, good idea
Jan 02 02:37:27 <Sohua> hi there
Jan 02 02:38:34 <Sohua> a question...what must i do (or install) to get the following folder in my BeagleBone:
Jan 02 02:39:01 <Sohua> ../sys/devices/platform/tsc...
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Jan 02 03:01:10 <zumipin> Sohua: those interfaces are generally "exported" in order to be manipulated
Jan 02 04:12:54 <STrRedWlf> Okay, time for me to get on out. catcha later.
Jan 02 10:45:30 <leslie_> Hi, are there any way to do ffmpegcolorspace in gstreamer with hardware accel?
Jan 02 10:46:23 <mru> what format conversion do you need?
Jan 02 10:48:52 <leslie_> a uvc camera, generate YUY2 video, I want to show it with TIDmaiVideosink and encode it with TIVidenc
Jan 02 10:49:18 <mru> what format does the camera provide?
Jan 02 10:52:31 <leslie_> it's YUY2
Jan 02 10:52:36 <leslie_> from camera
Jan 02 10:52:45 <mru> so what's to convert?
Jan 02 10:53:47 <leslie_> to a format that TIDmaivideosink support, like NV12, UYVY etc
Jan 02 10:56:19 <mru> the dss hardware supports yuy2 directly
Jan 02 10:57:27 <leslie_> I'm not familiar with beagleboard, so how to try dss hardware in gstreamer pipeline? is it a plugin?
Jan 02 10:58:36 <mru> dss is the display
Jan 02 10:58:48 <mru> you don't need any conversion
Jan 02 10:59:59 <leslie_> I'm using beagleboard xm, is it the same? sorry that I didn't mention this
Jan 02 11:01:04 <mru> same
Jan 02 11:01:13 <leslie_> I can only find TIDmaiVideosink and tidisplaysink2 for video display plugin, and neither of them support YUY2 format...
Jan 02 11:01:25 <mru> complain to ti
Jan 02 11:01:30 <mru> the hardware supports it
Jan 02 11:03:16 <leslie_> ok, thanks a lot for your help
Jan 02 11:54:12 <_av500_> there is always cogcolorspace, its almost never slower than ffmpegcolorspace
Jan 02 11:54:46 <mru> _av500_: seems to be what he needs is nocolorspace
Jan 02 11:54:56 <mru> *to me
Jan 02 11:58:36 <_av500_> in colorspace, nobody hears you cry
Jan 02 12:28:53 <Crofton|work> are we wroking yet?
Jan 02 12:29:07 <Crofton|work> certainly not spelling
Jan 02 12:37:28 * koen is still not working
Jan 02 12:40:25 <ynezz> hm, who would work in the last year?
Jan 02 12:41:21 <koen> I finally have some time to look into the sgx problems sakoman keeps running into
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Jan 02 15:29:39 <sgpu> Hi
Jan 02 15:34:40 <sgpu> I am in the conceptual staages on building a Cape for the BeagleBone that includes access to the McASP modules and HDMI.  Has anyone here had any experience with McASP DIT mode?
Jan 02 15:35:45 <sgpu> Something along these lines - http://www.lucidchart.com/publicSegments/view/4f00fb74-10d4-4f32-a4d7-3cf30a7911d6/image.png
Jan 02 15:41:38 <koen> proper HDMI with sound?
Jan 02 15:46:15 <sgpu> HDMI (video only) along with 7.1 output on four stereo PCM SPDIF headers.
Jan 02 16:21:03 <jacekowski> well, people would really like HDMI with audio
Jan 02 16:30:21 <sgpu> Koen, I had considered the AD9889B for HDMI (with 7.1 i2s) output.
Jan 02 16:31:59 <sgpu> The reason for SPDIF headers was to provide easy link up with Meridian DSP loudspeakers.
Jan 02 16:33:44 <emeb> sgpu: have you had any luck getting the McASP recognized by ALSA?
Jan 02 16:33:56 * emeb has been banging on that for a few days w/o success
Jan 02 16:36:47 <sgpu> emeb : no, not yet.  I have a friend looking at ALSA/McASP source codes from one of the DaVinci EVMs at the moment.  I'm not a software guy so I don't know if that will bear any fruit.
Jan 02 16:37:33 <emeb> sgpu: OK - just hoping to connect with someone who may have another perspective on this. 
Jan 02 16:38:34 <emeb> I've also been looking at the EVM codec stuff and I've tried the obvious stuff but it's still not showing up.
Jan 02 16:41:09 <sgpu> What kind of project are you working on?
Jan 02 16:42:46 <emeb> http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.php?blogid=1316213971302
Jan 02 16:44:44 <sgpu> Neat!
Jan 02 16:45:06 <emeb> Just substitute Beaglebone for Beagleboard in that description...
Jan 02 16:46:29 <emeb> that change allows significantly reduced costs due to the extra I/O available.
Jan 02 16:47:31 <emeb> I've got basically everything working except the codec interface, and that's been kicking my ass.
Jan 02 16:48:44 <sgpu> My task over the next week or so is to get one McASP outputting 24-bit 96khz PCM stereo in DIT mode and measure the performance. Unrealistic goal?
Jan 02 16:49:28 <emeb> Depends on your skill level.
Jan 02 16:49:55 <emeb> I'd settle to just see some bits coming out and I haven't gotten that far yet.
Jan 02 16:50:43 <emeb> Turned on all the existing codec interface code in the boardfile. I can see the init functions running but ALSA never probes the card.
Jan 02 17:04:43 <sgpu> jacekowski : HDMI with 7.1 i2s should be doable hardware wise with the pins avaialble on the BeagleBone.  As I ama bout to find, software and drivers may be the sticking point here.
Jan 02 17:12:29 <prakash__> I am using beagle -xM , and i have built GNOME image using narcissus , the network doesnot work when i use only console, while it works when i use GUI , 
Jan 02 17:13:02 <prakash__> can someone help me to get network while using console 
Jan 02 17:17:21 <sakoman> koen: glad to hear that :-)
Jan 02 17:17:25 <dm8tbr> if you're using network-manager then you might want to look at nm-cli
Jan 02 17:21:18 <prakash__> ifconfig doesnot show usb0 interface at all
Jan 02 17:21:27 <sgpu> Something like http://www.lucidchart.com/publicSegments/view/4f01e598-7ba4-4947-acca-62b60a491d62/image.png could workd for HDMI + 8-ch audio.
Jan 02 17:21:58 <defendguin> i'm looking to build an android beagleboard set top box for watching web videos and i'm trying to find a add on video component.  is anyone aware of one?
Jan 02 17:27:32 * prpplague wonders why colleges still make you mail in a request for transcripts
Jan 02 17:27:39 <prpplague> oops wrong channel
Jan 02 17:42:22 <sgpu> Does anyone know if four serializers are currently supported/working in McASP Tx mode?  I heard there were limitations in Rx mode..
Jan 02 17:44:50 <sgpu> Maybe I should direct those kind of questions to the Davinci mailing list...  :-)
Jan 02 17:45:26 <koen> sakoman: first commit is pushed to http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/log/?h=sgx-rework
Jan 02 17:49:18 <sakoman> koen: let me know when you are ready for me to test
Jan 02 17:49:54 <koen> sakoman: the safe commits are in the branch, the unsafe once local :)
Jan 02 17:49:59 <sakoman> I have a variety of Overo COMs with different ES versions of 35XX and 37XX
Jan 02 17:50:36 <koen> a new SDK was released today, I'm going to get that working on the bone and then on the xm and classic after that
Jan 02 18:41:17 <syrioosh> hi
Jan 02 18:41:18 <syrioosh> I   have serious problem with starting newer linux kernell than provided with demo on  DEVKIT800.
Jan 02 18:41:18 <syrioosh> can anybody tell me what is wrong 
Jan 02 18:41:41 <syrioosh> heres some specifics
Jan 02 18:45:04 <syrioosh> tried u-boot 2011.12 config sets for devki8000 
Jan 02 18:45:19 <syrioosh> then got linux kernell from http://gitorious.org/devkit8000/linux-omap-devkit8000 
Jan 02 18:45:37 <syrioosh> compiled with make ARCH=arm uImage
Jan 02 18:46:13 <syrioosh> uploded new MLO u-boot.img and uImage but it always stopos after uncompressing linux kernel
Jan 02 18:47:25 <syrioosh> any clues what to check or so
Jan 02 18:48:07 <syrioosh> or has anyone got a valid compiled and tested binaries  that could send to chcek the device 
Jan 02 19:25:01 * mranostay yawns
Jan 02 19:26:49 * emeb pokes mranostay in ribs
Jan 02 19:27:56 * mranostay calls HR :P
Jan 02 19:28:57 * emeb is escorted from the building
Jan 02 19:37:40 <aholler_> syrioosh: ttyS* changed to ttyO* with 2.6.35 or so, and it changed in u-boot too.
Jan 02 19:38:13 <aholler_> so check your terminal entries in u-boot, kernel and /etc
Jan 02 19:54:10 <djlewis> gm
Jan 02 19:54:49 <emeb> gm djlewis
Jan 02 20:00:00 <mranostay> blech Starbucks is the only coffee shop open here...
Jan 02 20:00:04 <djlewis> I arrive to work only to be told I coulda stayed home due to a lack of business.
Jan 02 20:00:25 <djlewis> Of course I woldnt get payed to stay home
Jan 02 20:00:32 <mranostay> djlewis: hourly?
Jan 02 20:00:38 <djlewis> part time
Jan 02 20:00:59 <djlewis> half days for the most part
Jan 02 20:08:05 <mranostay> djlewis: working retirement or something?
Jan 02 20:20:37 <djlewis> mranostay: working at pretending I am prat time retired. Cant really afford it :(
Jan 02 20:20:46 <djlewis> s/prat/part
Jan 02 20:34:17 <mranostay> djlewis: hey look at least i'll never to get retire :)
Jan 02 20:34:31 <mranostay> unless some stock options aren't worthless for a change :)
Jan 02 20:39:15 <_av500_> mranostay: i am sure they sell for small change :)
Jan 02 20:39:43 <mranostay> _av500_: oh nice enough for a beer :P
Jan 02 20:40:40 <mranostay> why does everytime i load MS Word on my Mac it has a 280MB critical update?
Jan 02 20:41:43 <thurbad> OSX isn't so good with patches, most of the time they just slam the entire application at you again
Jan 02 20:41:57 <mranostay> nice
Jan 02 20:42:22 <mranostay> also i hate how MS Word handles recent docs
Jan 02 20:42:36 <mranostay> I don't want my resume poppping up everytime I open Word :)
Jan 02 20:43:18 <_av500_> my word install got to the point where it starts, complain that the install is corrupt, starts the setup client to remedy that, this one fails then to do that and then it open the documents normally....
Jan 02 20:44:05 <mranostay> Only if plain text files were acceptable :)
Jan 02 20:44:48 <_av500_> i am sure word has critical issues with txt files too
Jan 02 20:45:14 <emeb> Just running Office 2010 on my WinXP machine will crash it.
Jan 02 20:46:45 <_av500_> i keep running office 2003 for the simple reason that i have a key for it
Jan 02 20:47:04 <_av500_> in one year, i will buy it a birthday cake
Jan 02 20:47:07 <mranostay> _av500_: plain text files i use vim :)
Jan 02 20:47:48 <mranostay> i use it because OO docs get mangled when someone else opens it in Word...
Jan 02 20:48:05 <beagleboner> 18WAALUCN
Jan 02 20:48:18 <beagleboner> Sorry
Jan 02 20:48:23 <mranostay> and i also learned never use "fancy" fonts in a pdf output 
Jan 02 20:48:45 <mranostay> nice trip report was blank for everyone using linux with a font pack :)
Jan 02 20:51:52 <djlewis> interesting passwd
Jan 02 20:52:43 <aholler_> beagleboner: np, we like other peoples password ;)
Jan 02 20:53:08 <beagleboner> :)
Jan 02 20:53:44 <aholler_> especially if it's that short
Jan 02 20:58:47 <syrioosh> after investigation linux starts booting but freezes
Jan 02 20:58:56 <syrioosh> last boot entry
Jan 02 20:58:59 <syrioosh> http://pastebin.com/8QMBh8bn
Jan 02 20:59:05 <syrioosh> nothing happens
Jan 02 21:00:05 <syrioosh> it respones when plug and unplug ethernet cable
Jan 02 21:06:04 <woglinde> syrioosh look the sd card errors
Jan 02 21:06:10 <woglinde> no wonder it crashes
Jan 02 21:06:18 <woglinde> args nand
Jan 02 21:06:20 <woglinde> anyway
Jan 02 21:07:00 <syrioosh> what do you suggest then
Jan 02 21:07:07 <syrioosh> reformat sd card or sth ?
Jan 02 21:07:23 <woglinde> use sd-card at all
Jan 02 21:15:26 <ka6sox> woglinde, hi
Jan 02 21:15:37 <ka6sox> got a minute to help a poor soul?
Jan 02 21:16:31 <woglinde> depens on the task
Jan 02 21:18:24 <ka6sox> information is all.
Jan 02 21:28:06 <syrioosh> you ment no to use sd card at all ?
Jan 02 21:29:53 <woglinde> I meant use the sdcard instead of nana
Jan 02 21:29:56 <woglinde> args nand
Jan 02 22:23:40 <defendguin> anyone have information about adding an hdmi output to a beagle board?
Jan 02 22:27:47 <mranostay> another drive by :)
Jan 02 22:28:14 <djlewis> mranostay: you dodging bullets?
Jan 02 22:29:57 <mranostay> heh no a drive by irc question above
Jan 02 22:30:33 <djlewis> :)
Jan 02 22:30:37 <mranostay> djlewis: i live in AL there would bullets flying back in a real one :P
Jan 02 22:31:10 <djlewis> we get them here in the city of Little Rock as well.
Jan 02 22:32:42 <mranostay> i pay a ton not to live in the bad part of Mobile...
Jan 02 23:13:23 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 03 00:57:33 <emeb> *crickets*
Jan 03 01:01:01 <tlab> hi emeb
Jan 03 01:01:08 <emeb> tlab: hey
Jan 03 01:01:28 <tlab> I take it you got your spi rotary encoder to work?
Jan 03 01:01:41 <emeb> tlab: yep - just peachy.
Jan 03 01:01:59 <emeb> On to the next challenge now - codec. 
Jan 03 01:02:04 <tlab> did you use spi0 or spi1, or both?
Jan 03 01:02:24 <emeb> Err - spi for what?
Jan 03 01:02:37 <emeb> I'm using spi0, but that's for a display interface
Jan 03 01:02:38 <tlab> rotary encoder?
Jan 03 01:02:41 <tlab> oh
Jan 03 01:02:45 <emeb> rotary encoder just uses GPIO
Jan 03 01:02:52 <tlab> so your just transmitting out only then?
Jan 03 01:03:26 <emeb> tlab: not sure what you mean
Jan 03 01:04:02 <tlab> your just sending the display info, your not reading from it
Jan 03 01:04:13 <emeb> tlab: that's correct.
Jan 03 01:04:28 <emeb> the display I'm using doesn't have serial readback 
Jan 03 01:04:53 <emeb> some may, and I'm also using spi0 for tx/rx with an FPGA on another project.
Jan 03 01:04:58 <tlab> I have an analog to digital chip I want to use, to learn with
Jan 03 01:05:24 <emeb> sounds fun. SPI?
Jan 03 01:05:51 <tlab> yea I've used SPI with a hc12 microcontroller in C
Jan 03 01:05:59 <tlab> but using linux is new
Jan 03 01:06:17 <emeb> spi in linux userland is very different from spi in a uC
Jan 03 01:06:42 <tlab> dwery showed me the /sys/kernel/debug folder
Jan 03 01:06:54 <emeb> I think dwery: published a patch for enabling both spi channels as spidev devices yesterday.
Jan 03 01:06:56 <tlab> emeb, I can tell
Jan 03 01:07:00 <jacekowski> emeb: SSI?
Jan 03 01:07:32 <emeb> jacekowski: not sure what you mean
Jan 03 01:07:44 <jacekowski> is that SSI encoder you've got
Jan 03 01:07:52 <jacekowski> or just normal incremental one?
Jan 03 01:08:11 <emeb> jacekowski: it's a passive quadrature encoder.
Jan 03 01:08:29 <emeb> basically two pulses 90deg out of phase from a wiper switch.
Jan 03 01:08:35 <tlab> emeb, I'm hoping to learn linux better using the beaglebone
Jan 03 01:08:40 <jacekowski> yeah i know
Jan 03 01:08:58 <jacekowski> you need some way to reset to 0 with those
Jan 03 01:09:25 <emeb> jacekowski: I'm just using it relative. driver returns +1/-1 messages
Jan 03 01:09:40 <tlab> like a radio volume knob
Jan 03 01:09:58 <emeb> yep - or the select wheel on an iPod.
Jan 03 01:10:32 <emeb> dinner - bbiab
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Jan 03 04:46:32 <doublebeta> http://i.imgur.com/Px7PE.jpg PMSL!!!
Jan 03 05:40:27 <emeb_mac> It's quiet here... too quiet.
Jan 03 05:42:09 <ds2> move west to the airbase
Jan 03 05:43:19 <emeb_mac> Wouldn't that be a treat.
Jan 03 05:48:42 <ka6sox> how far west?
Jan 03 05:51:47 <aholler> until it's getting wild
Jan 03 05:52:45 <ka6sox> I do not live in North America, I am on the Pacific Plate
Jan 03 06:04:51 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: Luke AFB is about 20 miles west of me.
Jan 03 06:05:11 <ka6sox> used to be a training base right?
Jan 03 06:05:20 <emeb_mac> Still is IIRC
Jan 03 06:05:53 <emeb_mac> Lotsa F16 traffic there. 
Jan 03 06:08:08 <ka6sox> I just have to watch for falling missles.
Jan 03 06:08:15 <ka6sox> boxed in by the Navy and USAF.
Jan 03 06:08:45 <emeb_mac> Point Mugu down south, Vandenberg up north?
Jan 03 06:08:55 <ka6sox> yup
Jan 03 06:09:36 <ka6sox> they have a 10m dish for telemetry up on a mountain I go to....its amazing.
Jan 03 06:09:47 <ka6sox> it moves almost silently.
Jan 03 06:09:58 <ka6sox> and you know its 100's of tons.
Jan 03 06:10:03 <emeb_mac> Now that's big iron!
Jan 03 06:10:09 <ka6sox> ooohyah
Jan 03 06:10:37 <emeb_mac> Went on the tour at VLA a few years back. Neat stuff.
Jan 03 07:12:16 <tasslehoff> good morning && happy new year
Jan 03 07:12:33 <ka6sox> tasslehoff, same to you.
Jan 03 07:14:52 <ds2> any new years day beagle projects?
Jan 03 07:15:03 <ds2> or maybe rose parade involvement?
Jan 03 07:15:28 <ka6sox> for me?
Jan 03 07:15:33 <ka6sox> I stayed away
Jan 03 07:19:20 <ds2> or anyone
Jan 03 07:19:28 <ds2> you didn't venture down?
Jan 03 07:23:03 <ka6sox> nope, I stayed safely 2hrs away.
Jan 03 07:23:19 <ka6sox> if it is on a saturday I like to go the day after.
Jan 03 07:32:15 <ds2> I see.
Jan 03 07:32:24 <ds2> Grrrrrrrr. the Linux foundation page is F'ed
Jan 03 07:32:47 <ka6sox> ds2, has been for several months...
Jan 03 07:33:21 <ds2> I see.
Jan 03 07:33:38 <ds2> so glad I pasted a copy of my submission into vi
Jan 03 07:33:49 <ka6sox> ya
Jan 03 07:34:24 <ds2> they need to stop using CSSs 
Jan 03 07:35:18 <ka6sox> go back to HTML3
Jan 03 07:36:10 <av500> HNY everyone...
Jan 03 07:36:19 <ka6sox> I just love it when I see a patch that starts with the word HACK
Jan 03 07:36:31 * koen yawns
Jan 03 07:37:13 <ka6sox> mawnin koen
Jan 03 07:39:27 <tasslehoff> koen, has 2011.03-maintenance previously used 2.6.39 but gone back to 2.6.37, or has it been on .37 all along?
Jan 03 07:39:41 <av500> 2011 is so 2011
Jan 03 07:40:27 <tasslehoff> 2011.03 is almost so 2010
Jan 03 07:40:43 <av500> tasslehoff: time to format c:
Jan 03 07:45:54 <koen> tasslehoff: .37
Jan 03 07:51:54 <tasslehoff> koen, ok. PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-omap_beagleboard seems to be relevant :)
Jan 03 07:52:30 <tasslehoff> I need something (seemingly) stable in march, so I have decided to go for the 2011.03 branch for now
Jan 03 07:54:21 <ds2> ka6sox: if you were to do a cape, would you bother with a library symbol for the connectors?
Jan 03 07:58:54 * koen drags himself to the coffee machine
Jan 03 08:12:37 <kaio> hi is beagle bone out of stock? when can I get it now?
Jan 03 08:13:35 <av500> make one out of the rib bone of a beagle XM
Jan 03 08:13:49 <av500> this has worked in the past for some
Jan 03 08:31:31 <ka6sox> ds2, yes
Jan 03 08:33:36 <kaio> I am XM owner, just my friend wanna join from bone.
Jan 03 09:23:50 <av500> open source infighting is so much fun
Jan 03 09:27:16 <ka6sox> what now?
Jan 03 09:35:05 <aholler> less trouble than company infightings
Jan 03 09:43:29 <aholler> fork, done ;)
Jan 03 09:52:57 <ka6sox> aholler, I used to remember when forking was the LAST option...now with github...its the first :p
Jan 03 09:54:19 <av500> ka6sox: I dont think much changed, its just that these so called "forks" are now public
Jan 03 09:54:30 <av500> before they were folders on peoples hard drives
Jan 03 09:54:40 <ka6sox> av500, true
Jan 03 09:55:06 <ka6sox> bleh...1GB of sources to download...
Jan 03 09:56:29 <aholler> githubs forks are dumb. you can't get rid of them or has this changed?
Jan 03 09:56:49 <ka6sox> what, can't trim a branch/
Jan 03 09:56:50 <ka6sox> ?
Jan 03 09:58:41 <koen> ka6sox: the big difference is that github has a ton of tools to make merging back easier
Jan 03 09:58:50 <koen> e.g. the huge "pull request" button
Jan 03 09:59:05 <ka6sox> yes, I agree its the right option.
Jan 03 10:10:00 <aholler> anyone already on friday at fosdem?
Jan 03 10:10:40 <aholler> http://fosdem.org/2012/beerevent
Jan 03 10:10:45 <av500> jup
Jan 03 10:10:57 <av500> why else would one go there?
Jan 03 10:11:55 <ka6sox> they need this @ SCaLE and we would get more folk there.
Jan 03 10:25:56 <aholler> av500: where do you stay?
Jan 03 10:30:07 <hitlin37> beagle-house
Jan 03 10:30:20 <LetoThe2nd> aholler: chack @ friday
Jan 03 10:30:47 <LetoThe2nd> s/chack/check/
Jan 03 10:40:57 <aholler> ok, planned, now I have to book.
Jan 03 11:01:11 <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/6627156905/
Jan 03 11:01:55 <LetoThe2nd> koen: you know the tripods from the war of worlds?
Jan 03 11:03:41 <koen> LetoThe2nd: I do
Jan 03 11:04:24 <koen> LetoThe2nd: if you have a lasercutter: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:14580
Jan 03 11:04:26 <LetoThe2nd> koen: make sure that evil aliens don't take over your bones software. the resemblance is striking.
Jan 03 11:05:11 <LetoThe2nd> koen: hehe
Jan 03 11:12:59 <aholler> hmm, ti should design something like that: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/02/hp-and-calxedas-moonshot-arm-servers-will-bring-all-the-boys-to/
Jan 03 11:14:27 <av500> yawn
Jan 03 11:14:37 <aholler> how much ram does a omap can have?
Jan 03 11:15:05 <av500> 2 at least
Jan 03 11:15:20 <av500> but for that you'd want omap5 that can use DDR3
Jan 03 11:15:31 <av500> dunno how much it will be able to run
Jan 03 11:15:55 <aholler> you would need something without a grpahics engine but with sata and embedded ethernet
Jan 03 11:16:30 <av500> you need the GPU for GPU computing, its hot
Jan 03 11:17:03 <koen> LetoThe2nd: it's trying to tell me something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNGNkQ0G0-w
Jan 03 11:17:14 <LetoThe2nd> av500: give it pcie lanes and stick teslas there :)
Jan 03 11:17:48 <LetoThe2nd> koen: hm. beep-beep. two short... whats that in morse?
Jan 03 11:17:53 <av500> teslas?
Jan 03 11:18:04 <av500> the castrated omap4 dsp?
Jan 03 11:18:21 <LetoThe2nd> av500: nope, the nvidia buzzword gpu computing thing.
Jan 03 11:18:28 <koen> I know there's a A8 + 8x DSP design coming
Jan 03 11:18:34 <koen> or 16x DSP, I forget
Jan 03 11:18:51 <av500> for xG basestations
Jan 03 11:18:54 <av500> as usual
Jan 03 11:19:13 * LetoThe2nd is more waiting for an A8 + general purpose M3.
Jan 03 11:19:17 <koen> LetoThe2nd: it's a heartbeat, the bone is configured for the DVI cape, which has 2 user LEDs
Jan 03 11:19:30 <koen> the beaglebone has 2 M3s
Jan 03 11:19:31 <LetoThe2nd> koen: sure ;)
Jan 03 11:19:45 <av500> LetoThe2nd: the omap4 has 2 m3s too
Jan 03 11:20:09 <LetoThe2nd> av500: koen: two M3 which AFAICS you cannot abuse for "real" process control things.. so both of no use :(
Jan 03 11:20:34 <av500> LetoThe2nd: why not?
Jan 03 11:20:49 <LetoThe2nd> av500: s/no use/no use for me/
Jan 03 11:20:50 <av500> LetoThe2nd: on omap4, the M3s can talk to all the io space afaik
Jan 03 11:21:50 <LetoThe2nd> av500: there was some reason why people said i can't use them as real process control coprocessors. i admit i already forget it again.
Jan 03 11:22:29 <av500> "the cargo cult is strong in this one"
Jan 03 11:22:54 <LetoThe2nd> av500: wasn't it you and the amnesia is strong in both of use?
Jan 03 11:23:01 <LetoThe2nd> s/use/us/
Jan 03 11:25:14 * av500 wonders how one sets up CVS
Jan 03 11:28:32 <LetoThe2nd> av500: need a link to linus' rant so the temptation of using CVS goes away?
Jan 03 11:29:14 <aholler> cvs is like svn, just painfull
Jan 03 11:31:10 <av500> I have a 10y old cvs repo I need to use
Jan 03 11:31:19 <av500> I think I will just convert it to git and be done
Jan 03 11:31:21 <aholler> import it
Jan 03 11:31:30 <av500> aholler: right
Jan 03 11:31:31 <LetoThe2nd> av500: resorting to transmeta you are? *SCNR*
Jan 03 11:31:58 <aholler> ou just need to setup a file to do user-mapping
Jan 03 11:32:11 <av500> easy, only 2 users :)
Jan 03 11:36:32 <aholler> have done that with all my stuff
Jan 03 11:36:53 <av500> aholler: with what tool?
Jan 03 11:39:37 <aholler> from my personal wiki (german): http://fpaste.org/5wf2/
Jan 03 11:46:27 <aholler> git has everything needed (besides some perl-stuff, but that usually is a dependency of git-cvs or however its named on your linux)
Jan 03 11:55:50 <av500> aholler: fatal: Needed a single revision; Branch 'origin' does not exist.
Jan 03 12:03:22 <av500> aholler: do I run that against a checkout or the CVS master folder?
Jan 03 12:11:41 <aholler> master
Jan 03 12:13:06 <aholler> the checkout only contains one revision
Jan 03 12:14:23 <av500> ok
Jan 03 12:14:29 <av500> and yet that fails somehow
Jan 03 12:14:58 <aholler> company/project in my example cvsroot should contain a directory Company/Project which contains all those ,v
Jan 03 12:15:39 <aholler> might be just foo for you
Jan 03 12:15:48 <av500> ah, there was a stray .git in the folder
Jan 03 12:15:58 <av500> its doing stuff now
Jan 03 12:16:56 <av500> it worked :)
Jan 03 12:20:05 <av500> aholler: any idea how it handles encoding? my precious umlauts are fubar
Jan 03 12:21:20 <aholler> it doesn't handle them at all ;)
Jan 03 12:21:45 <av500> nice
Jan 03 12:22:01 <aholler> the usual iso <-> utf horror
Jan 03 12:22:07 <av500> yes
Jan 03 12:24:04 <mru> that can be fixed
Jan 03 12:24:27 <mru> git filter-branch if nothing else
Jan 03 12:26:25 <av500> any good book about it? :)
Jan 03 12:27:37 <aholler> man iconv
Jan 03 12:28:11 <robin_sz> Hi, just looking at the beaglebone board ... does it run Linux? it mentions "Angstrom" as its primary boot image, but no clue as to whther thats a Linux distro or something else entirely
Jan 03 12:28:21 <av500> yes
Jan 03 12:28:25 <av500> angstrom is linux
Jan 03 12:28:26 <aholler> e.g. iconv -f iso-8859-15 -t utf-8 -c latin9.txt >utf8.txt
Jan 03 12:28:37 <av500> aholler: that much I can guess :)
Jan 03 12:28:39 <robin_sz> you dontthink it might be a good idea to mention that someplace in the docs?
Jan 03 12:29:11 <av500> ....the BeagleBone brings full-featured Linux to places it has never gone before.....
Jan 03 12:29:25 <av500> ....How does Linux make the BeagleBone easier to use than a microcontroller-based platform?....
Jan 03 12:29:56 <av500> I'd say it mentions linux more than once
Jan 03 12:30:04 <robin_sz> well, I cant see it on here
Jan 03 12:30:05 <robin_sz> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
Jan 03 12:31:05 <robin_sz> ok, well, whatever, take it from me, after 20 minutes of looking, it was not clear to me, so make of that what you will.
Jan 03 12:31:27 <aholler> never gone before sounds like the void ;)
Jan 03 12:31:42 <av500> void* ?
Jan 03 12:33:12 <robin_sz> so, while I am here, does anyone know of a cape that provides and RS232 conneciton?
Jan 03 12:33:35 <av500> isnt there rs232 on the bare bone?
Jan 03 12:34:45 <robin_sz> not as far as i can tell. its on the expansion headers as a mux signal, thats all
Jan 03 12:35:15 <av500> you have usb2serial on the bone
Jan 03 12:35:28 <robin_sz> usb2 != rs232
Jan 03 12:35:32 <av500> :)
Jan 03 12:36:31 <robin_sz> I guess we'll wait until someone does an RS232 cape
Jan 03 12:36:46 <av500> or you hook up a level shifter
Jan 03 12:36:52 <robin_sz> to what?
Jan 03 12:36:59 <av500> the expansion signals
Jan 03 12:37:07 <robin_sz> I thought they were mux'd
Jan 03 12:37:14 <av500> yes, and?
Jan 03 12:37:28 <aholler> it's like stone
Jan 03 12:37:31 <av500> the pins have different functions
Jan 03 12:37:31 <robin_sz> so theres a whole load of demux to do first
Jan 03 12:37:35 <av500> no
Jan 03 12:37:38 <av500> its pinmux
Jan 03 12:37:43 <av500> the muxing is inside the SOC
Jan 03 12:37:53 <av500> you select what is demuxed at the output
Jan 03 12:38:47 <robin_sz> I cant see a single mode that contains all the rts/cts/ttxd and rxd, it seems to be spread across several modes
Jan 03 12:39:15 <av500> every single pin can be muxed to any of its supported modes
Jan 03 12:39:27 <robin_sz> ah, pin by pin
Jan 03 12:39:30 <av500> ah yes
Jan 03 12:39:42 <av500> the mode # is just what to write into the register
Jan 03 12:39:53 <av500> 0=foo, 1=bar, 2=baz etc..
Jan 03 12:40:02 <robin_sz> I thought the mode was a block, but if its pin by pin, that might be doable
Jan 03 12:41:04 <robin_sz> ok, so then its just level shift (actually, i need to end up on 4 x RS485 half duplex) so thats easy enough
Jan 03 12:41:38 <robin_sz> looks like I shall be adding yet another embedded dev board to the pile then :)
Jan 03 12:43:10 <av500> pile 'em high
Jan 03 12:43:25 <robin_sz> got lots of Rabbit stuff
Jan 03 12:43:34 <av500> robin_sz: http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/5125778540/
Jan 03 12:44:00 * av500 needs to buy more standoffs
Jan 03 12:44:30 <robin_sz> thats a fair sized stack
Jan 03 12:44:58 <robin_sz> I just cant resist buying embedded dev kits, got Rabbit, Stallaris, Bluewater etc
Jan 03 12:45:30 <robin_sz> the bluewater stuff is lovely, but expensive compared to 'bone
Jan 03 12:47:11 <av500> aholler: fixed
Jan 03 12:47:13 <av500> mru: thx
Jan 03 12:47:35 <robin_sz> http://www.designarm.com/images/stories/da2/snapper9260.jpg   9260 or 9G20 on a SODIMM :)
Jan 03 13:04:51 <aholler> hmm unusable connectors ;)
Jan 03 13:07:07 <robin_sz> there is a dev board for it, with a SODIMM socket out to ether, serial, expansion etc, but whatever, beagle is much more cost effective :)
Jan 03 13:08:47 <koen> \o/
Jan 03 13:08:48 <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/6627674419
Jan 03 13:09:59 <robin_sz> im pretty sure we can use it to replace a $250 commercial embedded thign we have been buying for one product, so its quite a saving :)
Jan 03 13:14:09 <koen> jkridner_: the hacks can be found at https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/commits/beaglebone-lcdcape
Jan 03 13:14:39 * robin_sz looks puzzled
Jan 03 13:14:42 <robin_sz>                                             This evaluation board/kit does not fall within the scope of the
Jan 03 13:14:43 <robin_sz> European Union directives regarding electromagnetic compatibility, restricted substances (RoHS), recycling
Jan 03 13:14:43 <robin_sz> (WEEE), FCC, CE or UL, and therefore may not meet the technical requirements of these directives or other
Jan 03 13:14:43 <robin_sz> related directives.
Jan 03 13:14:56 <robin_sz> so its not available in the EU?
Jan 03 13:15:16 <robin_sz> thats a disappointemnt :(
Jan 03 13:16:45 <av500> robin_sz: it is
Jan 03 13:17:10 <robin_sz> is that documentation incorrect then?
Jan 03 13:18:12 <robin_sz> if its not CE marked, it can't be sold. period.  If its not RoHS, how did it get a CE mark?
Jan 03 13:20:42 <av500> robin_sz: its not sold as an end product
Jan 03 13:20:49 <av500> to end users
Jan 03 13:21:01 <av500> its sold as a part
Jan 03 13:23:14 <robin_sz> interesting angle on it
Jan 03 13:23:58 <av500> robin_sz: I dont know the details
Jan 03 13:25:08 <robin_sz> as a non RoHS part, we could not use it anyway
Jan 03 13:25:33 <av500> I guess its rohs
Jan 03 13:25:50 <av500> but I guess its not "certified" rohs
Jan 03 13:26:10 <av500> robin_sz: ask Gerald on the mailing list
Jan 03 13:26:17 <robin_sz> OK
Jan 03 13:26:19 <av500> he knows all the HW details
Jan 03 13:26:53 <robin_sz> we were looking at it for a replacement in a low run product (10/month) 
Jan 03 13:27:19 <robin_sz> its just not worth designing a custom board for those quaitities
Jan 03 13:28:13 <robin_sz> but a beagle with a custom cape would be perfect
Jan 03 18:36:31 <kapu_> hi fellas, have anyone lately purchaed and got beaglebone delivered in europe?
Jan 03 18:36:41 <Ozyus_> Hey, im new to this.. not to electronics perse, but to electronic project stuff and the BB.. anyone suggest a starting point? 
Jan 03 18:36:58 <djlewis> power it up :)
Jan 03 18:37:10 <kapu_> and load some code to run on it...
Jan 03 18:37:14 <kapu_> blink some leds
Jan 03 18:37:25 <djlewis> impress your friends
Jan 03 18:38:43 <mranostay> ...
Jan 03 18:38:52 <mranostay> profit
Jan 03 18:39:02 <Ozyus_> I dont have one yet.. but looking over the projects that ive seen people do .. its on the list of must have gadgets.. I guess im going to have to learn some code.. Is it like Assembly?
Jan 03 18:39:03 <djlewis> words of wisdom
Jan 03 18:39:19 <djlewis> its like linux
Jan 03 18:39:36 <Ozyus_> You caught my ear with the Profit statment.. 
Jan 03 18:39:50 <Ozyus_> oh .. linux.. hmm
Jan 03 18:40:08 <Ozyus_> then this will take longer than i thought.. 
Jan 03 18:40:50 <djlewis> the chipset is not so usable without the os
Jan 03 18:41:15 <djlewis> unlike those other guys
Jan 03 18:44:16 <Ozyus_> its been years since ive tinkered with this stuff.. I wasnt sure if it was like a basic chip or somthing altogether diff.. So does it run a Linux kern?
Jan 03 18:44:44 <djlewis> yep
Jan 03 18:45:28 <Ozyus_> would love to load up a VMDK of it to play before i buy. 
Jan 03 18:45:39 <djlewis> It can even be used as a desktop computer if ya want.
Jan 03 18:45:45 <Ozyus_> really
Jan 03 18:45:49 <Ozyus_> now thats interesting
Jan 03 18:46:16 <djlewis> Runs about like an old P-800 or there abouts
Jan 03 18:46:37 <djlewis> which with linux is pretty decent
Jan 03 18:47:00 <djlewis> I run the Gnome desktop and dev in C mostly with mine
Jan 03 18:47:01 <Ozyus_> what are its video out capabilities?
Jan 03 18:47:14 <djlewis> I run 1280x1024x16
Jan 03 18:47:51 <Ozyus_> nice
Jan 03 18:47:55 <ka6sox-away> Ozyus_, http://www.beagleboard.org has all the specs
Jan 03 18:48:04 <Ozyus_> Thanx
Jan 03 19:29:05 <Crofton> I have a question for the .eu people that order stuff from the US
Jan 03 19:29:52 <Crofton> if you were ordering something in the 2000 usd price range, would you rather order from the US direct and deal with shipping cost and customs yourself
Jan 03 19:30:04 <Crofton> or order from a .eu distributor, possibly at a higher price
Jan 03 19:31:40 <prpplague> Crofton: based on the feedback that TCT has gotten, many people prefer ordering from a .eu so all the customs paperwork and taxes are handled
Jan 03 19:32:23 <Crofton> this is what a guy in .eu told me, but he wanted to be a distributor :)
Jan 03 19:32:58 <prpplague> Crofton: TCT has setup a number of small distributors to handle that kind of stuff
Jan 03 19:33:49 <prpplague> Crofton: http://www.robotcraft.ca/webshop/  in canada basically does all of the canadian sales
Jan 03 19:33:57 <prpplague> Crofton: much easier for them
Jan 03 19:34:41 <Crofton> cool
Jan 03 19:34:56 <jhonnyboy> hello all
Jan 03 19:35:47 <jhonnyboy> new to beagleboards and robotics in general but I'm looking into purchasing a beagle board due to it's powerful sbc. I need something to process video and deliver it back to my machine via wifi 
Jan 03 19:35:54 <jhonnyboy> seems like the beagle can do it 
Jan 03 19:37:01 <djlewis> depends on how you define "process video"
Jan 03 19:38:29 <jhonnyboy> send the feed back to a computer wirelessly
Jan 03 19:38:34 <jhonnyboy> robot will have the webcam 
Jan 03 19:38:41 <jhonnyboy> i want to see it and drive it via wifi
Jan 03 19:39:23 <djlewis> with a usb webcam you might get by with a small window unless you dont run a gui on the BB then perhaps a 640x480
Jan 03 19:39:42 <jhonnyboy> yeah that works, i don't need anything big
Jan 03 19:39:49 <jhonnyboy> would it be possible to do 2 of them?
Jan 03 19:40:21 <djlewis> maybe
Jan 03 19:40:32 <djlewis> there are usb bandwidth issues on BB's
Jan 03 19:43:06 <prpplague> Crofton: we also use http://www.watterott-electronic.com/ for .eu 
Jan 03 19:43:45 <djlewis> jhonnyboy: another good video robot platform is http://www.surveyor.com/
Jan 03 19:44:08 <djlewis> get the cams and controller and use your own chassis
Jan 03 19:50:42 <kapu_> prpplague: do you have bone's available?
Jan 03 19:50:56 <kapu_> I managed to get visa credit balanced to make some orders
Jan 03 19:51:16 <kapu_> Now I'm looking for where to buy without waiting for century board to arrive :)
Jan 03 19:51:17 <prpplague> kapu_: only chicken bones and maybe some turkey
Jan 03 19:51:30 <kapu_> prpplague: you can make good soup of those
Jan 03 19:51:49 <kapu_> at least my wife could... 
Jan 03 20:00:21 <djlewis> umm, bone soup
Jan 03 20:01:14 <mranostay> djlewis: er?
Jan 03 20:01:31 <djlewis> mranostay: discussion above
Jan 03 22:06:32 <djlewis> Quick, say something intelligent!
Jan 03 22:12:20 <mranostay> djlewis: why?! :)
Jan 03 22:13:23 <emeb> something intelligent
Jan 03 22:27:19 <djlewis> ooh.. yuch... a client just brought a laptop in with kiddie juice drink all in it..
Jan 03 22:31:19 <ds2> djlewis: but is it a panasonic toughbook?
Jan 03 22:31:29 <mranostay> djlewis: what do you do again?
Jan 03 22:31:44 <mranostay> i don't think i've seen a toughbook
Jan 03 22:33:33 <EasyAt> Suck the juice out
Jan 03 22:34:26 <djlewis> mranostay: job title = and other tasks as deemed necessary
Jan 03 22:34:53 <prpplague> djlewis: i once had a customer bring in a 5.25" floppy drive that wasn't working, after disassembly i discovered the mummified remains of a hamster lodged in the main drive area......
Jan 03 22:35:51 <djlewis> Oh, one of those that has a wide door flap...
Jan 03 23:01:24 <mranostay> prpplague: his hampster i hope?
Jan 03 23:01:32 <mranostay> *hamster
Jan 03 23:01:33 <prpplague> mranostay: his daughters
Jan 03 23:01:45 <mranostay> it didn't have a rotting smell?
Jan 03 23:01:51 <ds2> could be worse - 8" drive with a rat ;)
Jan 03 23:01:51 <ka6sox> mranostay, any chance you will be @ SCaLE?
Jan 03 23:02:12 <prpplague> mranostay: no, it had been in there for some time
Jan 03 23:02:15 <ds2> ka6sox: need volunteers for scale?
Jan 03 23:02:36 <ka6sox> ds2, yup.
Jan 03 23:02:52 <ds2> ka6sox: what kind of jobs?
Jan 03 23:03:10 <ds2> might be willing to head south for a weekend
Jan 03 23:03:15 <ka6sox> many different...I have the A/V job (a thankless one)
Jan 03 23:03:36 <ds2> got a list?
Jan 03 23:03:52 <ka6sox> somewhere...let me look and i'll pm.
Jan 03 23:03:59 <ds2> 'k
Jan 03 23:07:43 <mranostay> nope..
Jan 03 23:07:59 <mranostay> pgp keysigning party seems interesting though :)
Jan 03 23:10:12 <prpplague> calculus: you headed to SCaLE right?
Jan 03 23:12:34 <djlewis> the mainbd and spkrs were spared the spill, but the kybd and pad might be gonners.
Jan 03 23:13:03 <calculus> prpplague: I am, but last I asked jkridner and jayabharath, they did not seem interested in a booth
Jan 03 23:13:20 <prpplague> calculus: oh, let me check in on that
Jan 03 23:15:21 <calculus> just re-reading jay's email, he offered a promo kit and some boards to give away
Jan 03 23:15:51 <calculus> but "no explicit plans" were his words
Jan 03 23:16:13 <ds2> SCaLe got scaled backed? 
Jan 03 23:16:46 <mranostay> ds2: i see what you did there :)
Jan 03 23:56:50 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 04 02:04:35 <sohua> hi there...a question
Jan 04 02:04:59 <sohua> how can i install the tsc interface in the beaglebone?
Jan 04 02:09:10 <prpplague> sohua: you can use something like the http://www.ti.com/product/tsc2007 via i2c
Jan 04 02:13:31 <sohua> thanks prpplague, but i want to use the beaglebone's ADCs
Jan 04 02:15:23 <prpplague> sohua: i'd have to look, but i didn't think the adc's on the beagle were configured with easy support for resistive touchscreen, it could be done, but you are looking at a lot of work
Jan 04 02:18:19 <sohua> i want to read the ADC inputs like Koen did there
Jan 04 02:18:26 <sohua> ..http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/using-the-analog-pins-on-a-beaglebone
Jan 04 02:19:24 <sohua> but my angstrom don't have the ../sys/devices/platform/tsc folder
Jan 04 02:20:48 <xenland> Hello there mates!
Jan 04 02:21:12 <xenland> Any idea on how to get Cloud9 IDE to display UART1_RXD pin in the console?
Jan 04 02:21:22 <xenland> I have a LCD display hooked up into it
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Jan 04 04:13:26 <emeb_mac> Nice night for a walk.
Jan 04 04:15:32 <jay6981> laundry day, nothin clean right?
Jan 04 04:17:39 <emeb_mac> Hah - my reference it has been caughted
Jan 04 04:18:14 <emeb_mac> YOUR CLOTHES - GIVE THEM TO ME. NOW.
Jan 04 04:18:39 <jay6981> those movies always started out good
Jan 04 04:20:47 <emeb_mac> IIRC those doofuses at the beginning were Anthony Michael Hall and Bill Paxton.
Jan 04 04:22:18 <emeb_mac> Nope - not AMH - Brian Thompson. Bill Paxton though.
Jan 04 06:24:54 * _av500_ will be back
Jan 04 07:36:05 <av500> http://imgur.com/gallery/pAy4z
Jan 04 07:36:20 <av500> I think he was here on irc once :)
Jan 04 07:39:56 * Russ wishes people would pay more attention to the registered nickname notice
Jan 04 07:40:01 <Russ> av500, notdumb?
Jan 04 07:40:58 <av500> Russ: you said that :)
Jan 04 07:42:40 * Russ thinks the amazon commenter is trolling
Jan 04 07:42:56 <Russ> 'I bought an ultralight helicopter and read this book so I would know how to operate it.'
Jan 04 07:44:36 <Russ> btw, I'd like to add that mjg59 is my favorite webcomic of all time
Jan 04 07:49:15 <ka6sox> ds2, you around?
Jan 04 07:50:15 <emeb_mac> just 'Hmmmm' and he will appear.
Jan 04 07:50:56 <Russ> he's probably still celebrating new years
Jan 04 07:53:14 * av500 shouts "NAND"
Jan 04 07:54:08 * emeb_mac shouts "XOR"
Jan 04 07:54:10 <ka6sox> emeb_mac, ya
Jan 04 07:54:31 <Russ> ...I think NAND was short for NAND flash
Jan 04 07:54:41 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: Hola
Jan 04 07:54:47 <ka6sox> hiya!
Jan 04 07:54:49 <av500> and I assumed ds2 would appear in a flash
Jan 04 07:54:56 <Russ> its scary, I actually have 'normal' people asking me what SLC and MLC is now
Jan 04 07:55:20 <av500> Russ: run!
Jan 04 07:56:04 <ka6sox> emeb_mac, do you load the FPGA via the BB or JTAG?
Jan 04 07:56:16 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: 
Jan 04 07:56:23 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: BB
Jan 04 07:56:41 <emeb_mac> through SPI port + I2C port expander to toggle the control bits.
Jan 04 07:59:02 <ka6sox> okay so SPI slave
Jan 04 07:59:27 <emeb_mac> kinda sorta
Jan 04 07:59:52 <ka6sox> I am using the JTAG for now...but will want to use SPI for the demo.
Jan 04 08:00:17 <emeb_mac> Did I send you the link to the userspace loader?
Jan 04 08:00:36 <av500> real men load in kernel space
Jan 04 08:01:11 <ka6sox> emeb_mac, I don't think so
Jan 04 08:01:22 <emeb_mac> http://gitorious.org/bfpga_lib
Jan 04 08:01:26 <ka6sox> av500, it doesn't help
Jan 04 08:01:30 <mIKEjONES> anyone know if the method in which the beaglebone board was laid out has been documented?
Jan 04 08:01:36 <Russ> real men use kernel mtd and filesystems to program via jtag
Jan 04 08:01:36 <ka6sox> its all userspace at tht point.
Jan 04 08:01:43 <emeb_mac> everything you need to load the FPGA
Jan 04 08:01:52 <mIKEjONES> the draughtsman has godly skills with cadence allegro
Jan 04 08:02:14 <emeb_mac> assuming you've got SPI0 and I2C2 working...
Jan 04 08:03:01 <ka6sox> SPI0 is...not checked I2C2
Jan 04 08:03:59 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: same I2C port that is used for the ID prom.
Jan 04 08:04:10 <ka6sox> that does not work yet
Jan 04 08:04:22 <ka6sox> (and I didn't try to look into that yet)
Jan 04 08:04:56 <emeb_mac> Need that to control the Done/Program etc bits
Jan 04 08:05:23 <mIKEjONES> anyone know who does the beagleboard layouts?
Jan 04 08:05:36 <emeb_mac> Doesn't Gerald do them?
Jan 04 08:05:40 <ka6sox> since I was using the JTAG and setting the mode to JTAG I didn't work on that.
Jan 04 08:05:47 <ka6sox> Gerald does
Jan 04 08:06:03 * Russ adds Gerald to his addressbook
Jan 04 08:07:14 * av500 once shook hands with Gerald, hasn't washed them since
Jan 04 08:07:41 <ka6sox> av500, wierd...just wierd.
Jan 04 08:07:45 <emeb_mac> eeww
Jan 04 08:07:55 <av500> :)
Jan 04 08:07:57 <mIKEjONES> hrm, if I have questions regarding this strategy should I ask him on IRC or go on the mailing list? is he even in this channel?
Jan 04 08:08:05 <av500> ML
Jan 04 08:08:07 <av500> not on irc
Jan 04 08:08:14 <emeb_mac> Gerald knows better than to hang out here.
Jan 04 08:08:20 <av500> in contrast to you all, he does work :)
Jan 04 08:08:29 <Russ> is it xilinx? because xilinx has a whole bunch of app notes and such on loading methods
Jan 04 08:08:36 <emeb_mac> I love work - could watch it for hours.
Jan 04 08:09:08 <emeb_mac> Russ:  Yep - Xilinx. Already have code to drive it.
Jan 04 08:09:33 <Russ> if you want to understand how or why the loading process is written/connected in a certain way, read the app note
Jan 04 08:09:35 <ka6sox> Russ, yes, I chose to use my JTAG.
Jan 04 08:09:44 <aholler_> can't have benn notdumb, he showed up for more than 6 month here
Jan 04 08:10:11 <ka6sox> since I am still in development mode.
Jan 04 08:10:19 <Russ> ug360
Jan 04 08:10:20 <ka6sox> not ready for the BB to upload it.
Jan 04 08:10:34 <Russ> er, that'd be for virtex6
Jan 04 08:10:38 <Russ> which fpga?
Jan 04 08:10:52 <ka6sox> XC3S200
Jan 04 08:11:22 <Russ> is that a spartan-3?
Jan 04 08:11:26 <ka6sox> yep
Jan 04 08:11:31 <emeb_mac>  3A
Jan 04 08:11:41 <Russ> http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/user_guides/ug332.pdf
Jan 04 08:11:41 <ka6sox> sorry 3A
Jan 04 08:11:45 <ka6sox> of courese
Jan 04 08:12:05 <ka6sox> its too cold here....34degrees.
Jan 04 08:12:17 <emeb_mac> Brrrr. Warmer here.
Jan 04 08:12:18 <Russ> I think its about 34 here too...34C
Jan 04 08:12:52 <ka6sox> the windmills have gone to bed it seems...so its quieter at least.
Jan 04 08:13:25 <emeb_mac> Warm your hands on the gas flares out in the channel.
Jan 04 08:13:50 <ka6sox> emeb_mac, I'm not there....
Jan 04 08:14:02 <ka6sox> I'm back in North America again...
Jan 04 08:14:56 * kapu_ finally got hist beaglebone ordered
Jan 04 08:15:03 <emeb_mac> Well - time for bed now...
Jan 04 08:15:10 <ka6sox> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehachapi_Pass_Wind_Farm
Jan 04 08:15:14 <ka6sox> nite emeb_mac 
Jan 04 08:15:20 <emeb_mac> l8r
Jan 04 08:16:45 <ka6sox> stick my hands in the transmitter...get them warmed up.
Jan 04 08:31:01 <jipi> hi guys, we have stock of the beaglebone.. do ping us if u want to have one. we'll include a 3d printed housing for it.
Jan 04 08:31:18 <jipi> http://romscraj.com/carttoo/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=104
Jan 04 08:34:11 <av500> jipi: pic of the housing?
Jan 04 08:39:01 <aholler_> Is this just a TI marketing gimmick?
Jan 04 08:39:11 <aholler_> ;) just read that faq-entry ;)
Jan 04 09:16:36 <Atul> Hi
Jan 04 09:37:55 <Atul> Hi all
Jan 04 09:53:14 <kaio> hi why digikey doesn't allow me to purchase from overseas for beaglebone?
Jan 04 09:53:19 <kaio> I am from Australia
Jan 04 09:53:32 <doublebeta> They do
Jan 04 09:53:33 <av500> us export control
Jan 04 09:53:41 <doublebeta> You just have to give lots of information
Jan 04 09:53:48 <doublebeta> (stupid-ass US)
Jan 04 09:54:07 <doublebeta> oh, beaglebone. Hm, I have a beagleBOARD, would be stupid for them to be tougher on the bones tho
Jan 04 09:54:26 <av500> we cant have australians have weapons of mass distraction....
Jan 04 09:54:45 * doublebeta just saw what you did there
Jan 04 10:04:42 <ka6sox> Yes, the Aussie's with the Bone would be dangerous.
Jan 04 10:06:30 <w|zzy> av500: Its not like the americans didnt want to test weapons off our coast or anything. :p
Jan 04 10:06:34 * w|zzy is australian
Jan 04 10:06:53 <w|zzy> kaio: A friend ordered his through adafruit.
Jan 04 10:07:14 * doublebeta wonders how much adafruit overcharge...and goes to look.
Jan 04 10:07:29 <av500> w|zzy: they just came for the barbie and the coldies
Jan 04 10:07:53 <w|zzy> Speaking of which i am well lubed on beer..
Jan 04 10:07:56 <w|zzy> Loving the holidays!
Jan 04 10:08:07 <doublebeta> $89 on the dot! Adafruit, I am not disappoint!
Jan 04 10:08:47 * doublebeta cringes at the beagle being promoted as 'open'...
Jan 04 10:09:29 <av500> open is the new closed
Jan 04 10:11:48 <kapu_> I paid total of 98,40 EUR from tigal from beaglebone
Jan 04 10:11:55 <doublebeta> well, 'closed is the new open' would be more accurate
Jan 04 10:12:23 <av500> old is the new new
Jan 04 10:12:56 <doublebeta> I wish
Jan 04 10:13:00 <doublebeta> Vintage gear ftw
Jan 04 10:13:44 <w|zzy> mm vintage
Jan 04 10:13:55 <doublebeta> People whinge about how their 1980s hardware was unreliable, well hey, I've got a 1983-manufactured Commodore 64 that is completely functional and stable, vs a 5 year old PC which is panicing all the damn time
Jan 04 10:14:23 <doublebeta> And, yeah, hard disks are more reliable than 5 1/2" floppies -- but not my HDDs :\
Jan 04 10:14:24 <av500> doublebeta: run only DOS and GWbasic on the PC and its rock stable too
Jan 04 10:14:35 <doublebeta> Not when the hardware's buggy
Jan 04 10:14:50 <doublebeta> Linux is not the fault in this case
Jan 04 10:15:20 * av500 is going to solder a serial connection to his OCX SSD
Jan 04 10:15:22 <doublebeta> I'm not making any serious argument here - I'm comparing 64k of static RAM to 2GB of DRAM
Jan 04 10:15:28 <w|zzy> :|
Jan 04 10:15:35 <doublebeta> how is that supposed to work?
Jan 04 10:15:49 <doublebeta> you just mean SATA, or UART somehow?
Jan 04 10:16:06 <av500> it has RX and TX
Jan 04 10:16:12 <av500> onthe PCB
Jan 04 10:16:14 <jipi> erm.. hi guys, if you have problems getting the beaglebone, let us know. we are in singapore. we have some stock
Jan 04 10:16:36 <av500> hmm, 3V
Jan 04 10:16:39 <doublebeta> av500: Very interesting, best of luck, and damn be careful
Jan 04 10:16:39 <av500> solder!
Jan 04 10:16:47 <av500> carefull?
Jan 04 10:16:51 <av500> me?
Jan 04 10:17:07 <doublebeta> Expensive SSDs + careless overvoltage = pissing away your wallet
Jan 04 10:17:23 <av500> its a spare/scrap one
Jan 04 10:17:29 <doublebeta> I know you'll be fine soldering
Jan 04 10:17:36 <av500> and Im not going to power it from there
Jan 04 10:18:06 <av500> lets see with the scope if it talks at all
Jan 04 10:19:00 <doublebeta> If that's a programming interface for onboard FPGAs that would be seriously sexy
Jan 04 10:19:08 <doublebeta> 'specially if you dump it
Jan 04 10:19:49 <av500> its a Sandfarce controller
Jan 04 10:23:28 <av500> ha, its spews out a lot
Jan 04 10:25:27 <doublebeta> av500: anything cool? Or have you only got the scope on it?
Jan 04 10:25:31 <av500> scope
Jan 04 10:26:22 <av500> and my binary language of moisture vaporators is rather rusty
Jan 04 10:27:02 <ka6sox> av500, you are dating yourself.
Jan 04 10:27:41 <doublebeta> Is that the extended way to say 'av500, you're a wanker.'?
Jan 04 10:27:50 <Kels> Hi, im new to this. does anybody know a lot of information about beagles? cause i need help :/
Jan 04 10:27:58 <av500> Kels: try asking
Jan 04 10:28:29 <Kels> Help me?
Jan 04 10:28:40 * av500 helps Kels
Jan 04 10:28:44 <av500> better?
Jan 04 10:29:05 <Kels> i do not understand this. 
Jan 04 10:29:19 <av500> Kels: how can we help you if you dont ask a question
Jan 04 10:29:25 <av500> or tell us about your problems
Jan 04 10:29:36 <av500> well, some of them that are beagle related at least
Jan 04 10:29:59 <Kels> Yes, why would i come onto a beagle chat site if it wasnt about a beagle.
Jan 04 10:30:06 <Kels> ok listen,
Jan 04 10:31:18 <Kels> i got a beagle puppy recently, and it chews everything, bites my ankles, goes to the toilet all over my floor in my house and i dont know what to do. It just doesnt listen to me. 
Jan 04 10:31:57 <doublebeta> Lol! Not sure if trolling or didn't read /topic
Jan 04 10:32:05 <av500> Kels: nice one
Jan 04 10:32:26 <doublebeta> av500: Actually I think he might be serious
Jan 04 10:32:27 <mru> try punishing it with 12V
Jan 04 10:32:28 <ka6sox> Kels +1
Jan 04 10:32:40 <Kels> whats that>
Jan 04 10:32:40 <av500> Kels: did you connect a serial?
Jan 04 10:32:49 <Kels> what?
Jan 04 10:33:00 <doublebeta> Kels: http://beagleboard.org/
Jan 04 10:33:08 <doublebeta> this is the focus of this channel.
Jan 04 10:33:12 * mru hopes for the sake of the puppy he's trolling
Jan 04 10:33:23 * doublebeta echos mru's hopes
Jan 04 10:33:29 <av500> the puppy seems fine to me
Jan 04 10:33:34 <av500> it does puppy things
Jan 04 10:33:48 <doublebeta> You will have to find another IRC channel to discuss your kanine woes.
Jan 04 10:33:56 <mru> sure, but will it learn to be a Dog?
Jan 04 10:34:29 <jipi> hahahaha..
Jan 04 10:35:23 <Kels> whats this chat site for then? i just thought if people knew things about beagles, then they'd help me! Sorry to waste your time.. i wasn't aware that it mattered what the site or the topic was about.
Jan 04 10:35:45 <av500> Kels: http://beagleboard.org/
Jan 04 10:35:59 <av500> its about electronics and linux
Jan 04 10:36:02 <av500> not dogs
Jan 04 10:36:18 <doublebeta> The unfortunate tragedy of animal mascots for electronics hardware.
Jan 04 10:36:34 <av500> hmm, we had no panda lovers in #pandaboard
Jan 04 10:36:53 <doublebeta> Kels: My apologies, but here we don't know much about dogs.
Jan 04 10:37:00 <av500> I know to avoid them
Jan 04 10:37:08 <ka6sox> don't you have to get a special permit to even *have* a panda?
Jan 04 10:37:13 <doublebeta> I know not to let them near my gear
Jan 04 10:37:24 <av500> ka6sox: yes, us export permit :)
Jan 04 10:37:34 <doublebeta> I think you'd need a hell of a lot of luck. They're rare
Jan 04 10:37:38 <doublebeta> av500: Well playes
Jan 04 10:37:39 <av500> or maybe chinese then
Jan 04 10:37:40 <doublebeta> *played
Jan 04 10:37:55 <Kels> Sorry i didn't realize this was an electronic chat log. Considering it has a beagle dog, as it's mascott. Then i shall be off to find another site.
Jan 04 10:38:11 <ka6sox> Kels, sorry we couldn't help.
Jan 04 10:38:28 <jipi> our beagles are electronic
Jan 04 10:39:17 <Kels> no worries, but their was a few people in here who didn't have to be smart asses. Bye guys.
Jan 04 10:39:54 * av500 decides to bring his beagle to the nearest dog owner meeting tonight
Jan 04 10:40:10 <doublebeta> av500: Shiiit, make a video
Jan 04 10:40:20 <doublebeta> That would be golden
Jan 04 10:40:52 <av500> doublebeta: http://pastebin.com/qy9mmahx
Jan 04 10:41:09 <av500> it spits a few lines in clear and then binary language of moisture vaporators
Jan 04 10:41:15 <doublebeta> Ooo
Jan 04 10:41:26 <doublebeta> 'moisture vaporators' ...LOL!
Jan 04 10:41:36 <doublebeta> that's a creative way to address them
Jan 04 10:42:14 <doublebeta> sec, imma pipe it into hexdump and see if it's familiar at all..
Jan 04 10:42:54 <av500> let me check if they switch the baud rate..,.
Jan 04 10:43:02 <doublebeta> oh, that's possible
Jan 04 10:43:10 <doublebeta> why didn't I think of that :s
Jan 04 10:43:49 <doublebeta> doublebeta@Unbihexium-316:~$ file /tmp/test
Jan 04 10:43:49 <doublebeta> /tmp/test: data
Jan 04 10:43:54 <doublebeta> Never is easy
Jan 04 10:44:37 <av500> seems not
Jan 04 10:44:55 <doublebeta> was that a prompt?
Jan 04 10:45:00 <doublebeta> CLI> PINRST
Jan 04 10:45:09 <doublebeta> 'CLI>' would imply a command line interface prompt
Jan 04 10:45:16 <doublebeta> did that all happen automagically?
Jan 04 10:46:11 <av500> yes
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Jan 04 10:57:26 <av500> doublebeta: I dont really care, I will stop now :)
Jan 04 11:00:06 <doublebeta> Ah. Sorry, if I bothered you
Jan 04 11:00:07 <doublebeta> :)
Jan 04 11:00:16 <doublebeta> Was kinda cool to poke around tho
Jan 04 11:03:40 <av500> no bother
Jan 04 12:35:40 <hitlin37> anyone face  a problem when booting u-boot from nand and nand has block size of 128kb and whatever the content of u-boot is beyond 128kb is not working?
Jan 04 12:36:02 <hitlin37> nand;samsung,plat-freescale
Jan 04 12:37:09 <koen> there's a beagleboard with a freescale SoC?!?!?
Jan 04 12:37:52 <hitlin37> nopes,i thought i someone faced a similar scenario
Jan 04 12:41:08 <av500> koen: yes, the Freegleboard
Jan 04 13:56:10 * av500 hugs libc5
Jan 04 16:08:08 <sakoman> koen: I noticed you did some sgx commits -- is it ready for me to start testing with?
Jan 04 16:12:38 <koen> sakoman: yes, I'm curious how the ES2 packages from the old sdk interact with the new kernel modules
Jan 04 16:12:59 <sakoman> koen: OK, will give them a try
Jan 04 16:13:03 <koen> I've only tested it on beaglebone
Jan 04 16:21:34 <stcuser> Anyone has ported Xenomai to Beaglebone?
Jan 04 16:27:15 <av500> stcuser: you will be the frist :)
Jan 04 16:27:17 <av500> first
Jan 04 16:32:55 <muriani> frist sounds more... exciting.
Jan 04 16:35:33 <ka6sox> stcuser, if you hear of anyone doing it I would be interested in hearing that too :D
Jan 04 16:36:06 <ka6sox> emeb, I did a little haxor to make the JTAG mode work on the 'Board one work.
Jan 04 16:36:16 <ka6sox> (hardware)
Jan 04 16:36:28 <ka6sox> as I didn't want to figure out the expander at the time.
Jan 04 16:36:39 <emeb> ka6sox: kewl. What'd you do?
Jan 04 16:36:51 <Mojito> Is there an inexpensive way to add WiFi and BT to a BeagleBone?
Jan 04 16:37:10 <ka6sox> removed the expander then set the mode pins explicitly
Jan 04 16:37:24 <ka6sox> Air Rework TTR.
Jan 04 16:37:42 <stcuser> ka6sox: will let u know for sure
Jan 04 16:37:44 <emeb> ka6sox: I didn't think setting mode pins was required for JTAG to work. I've never had to do it on these boards.
Jan 04 16:37:58 <ka6sox> oh, I just did that to make sure.
Jan 04 16:37:58 <emeb> ka6sox: ie - JTAG overrides the mode settings.
Jan 04 16:38:15 <ka6sox> I thought so too..but I jsut wanted to not have any worries.
Jan 04 16:38:29 <ka6sox> (I use jumper pins on my designs or solder pads.
Jan 04 16:38:31 <ka6sox> )
Jan 04 16:40:25 <emeb> ka6sox: so now you can't program it from the BB without putting the expander back...
Jan 04 16:41:32 <ka6sox> emeb, which I will do when I get back.
Jan 04 16:41:40 <stcuser> ka6sox: has the beaglebone tree included in the mainline kernel?
Jan 04 16:41:49 <ka6sox> stcuser, nope
Jan 04 16:42:05 <ka6sox> not that I've seen anyways
Jan 04 16:42:21 <emeb> Linus thinks there's too much churn in the ARM tree...
Jan 04 16:43:04 <stcuser> ka6sox: from where can i grab the board init files for BeagleBone
Jan 04 16:43:49 <ka6sox> stcuser, all on the beagleboard site where to get bits.
Jan 04 16:43:59 <ka6sox> start with www.beagleboard.org/bone
Jan 04 16:44:06 <ka6sox> and follow the links
Jan 04 16:44:09 <emeb> a lot of folks use the Angstrom OE recipe to build the kernel...
Jan 04 16:45:58 <ka6sox> emeb, that is what I am using too.
Jan 04 16:46:37 <emeb> ka6sox: it may not be the path of least resistance, but it's pretty close.
Jan 04 16:47:05 <stcuser> ka6sox: thanks
Jan 04 16:48:00 <ka6sox> for what I am doing I will need to look @ Crofton's patches and maybe tweaking the SMSC911X stuff to do what I want.
Jan 04 17:23:39 <koen> Präsidentenentschuldigungsfernsehansprachenbingo
Jan 04 17:23:47 <koen> german is such a nice language
Jan 04 17:24:11 <dm8tbr> compound nouns ftw! <3
Jan 04 17:24:49 * dm8tbr is learning Finnish and it also has those <3
Jan 04 17:26:34 <Mojito> "sprachenbingo"?
Jan 04 17:27:02 <Mojito> Ah, playing bingo based on appearance of certain words in a speech?
Jan 04 17:27:38 <mranostay> koen: ok i wouldn't even know how to say that in the little german i know :)
Jan 04 17:42:18 <vs> hi i am new to device driver.. i have a  written "LED" Driver by registering  "platform_driver_register" and using "led_classdev_register" in probe ,beagle_leds_brightnessset....and its working fine.......but i want to use this driver by other driver how can i do 
Jan 04 17:43:03 <vs> plz help
Jan 04 17:44:06 <vs> how can i acess the beagle_leds_brightnessset function ..........
Jan 04 17:44:17 <vs> from other driver
Jan 04 17:45:06 <thurbad> is there a minimum kernel version for bluez4?
Jan 04 17:50:58 <kl> hi i am new to device driver.. i have a  written "LED" Driver by registering  "platform_driver_register" and using "led_classdev_register" in probe ,leds_brightnessset....and its working fine.......but i want to use these LED function's by other driver how can i do
Jan 04 17:57:04 <kl> help please ....
Jan 04 18:00:44 <bbxm> does anyone know how to setenv automatically when booting Angstrom on the BeagleXM?
Jan 04 18:19:37 <EasyAt> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowToGetAngstromRunning
Jan 04 18:25:35 <thurbad> bbxm: depends on which version of u-boot you use
Jan 04 18:26:08 <thurbad> newer u-boot uses uEnv.txt older version uses boot.scr
Jan 04 18:29:24 <bbxm> thanks, thurbad. I tried to make a boot.scr file with the following content "setenv dvimode 640x480MR-16@60" by executing "mkimage -A arm -O linux -T script -C none -a 0 -e 0 -n  "Beagleboard-xM boot script" -d my_boot_cmd boot.scr"
Jan 04 18:30:28 <bbxm> I copied the resulting boot.scr into the FAT partition on the microSD card and boot, but it seems that the setenv didn't happen
Jan 04 18:30:40 <thurbad> bbxm: do you have a bootlog, it will tell if it is looking for boot.scr or uEnv.txt at the beginning
Jan 04 18:30:41 <snowrichard> my beagle arrived today
Jan 04 18:30:52 <snowrichard> still waiting on some other parts before i can set it up
Jan 04 18:31:03 <snowrichard> usb hub, card reader for the pc
Jan 04 18:31:28 <snowrichard> i powered it on and got green video on hdmi out though so i guess its good
Jan 04 18:31:38 <bbxm> where may I find the boot-log?
Jan 04 18:31:59 <thurbad> bbxm: do you have a serial console attached?
Jan 04 18:32:30 <bbxm> oh, ok let me check that log right quick
Jan 04 18:36:20 <snowrichard> i got a serial cable from Digi-Key its not obvious which way to plug it in
Jan 04 18:39:26 <thurbad> the xM has a serial header on it, it should only be able to plug in one way
Jan 04 18:39:43 <snowrichard> its a beagle c2
Jan 04 18:40:03 <thurbad> oh, I thought you were bbxm ... sorry
Jan 04 18:40:27 <thurbad> snowrichard pin 1 is the red striped side
Jan 04 18:40:44 <snowrichard> pin 1 marked on the board with a circle?
Jan 04 18:41:52 <bbxm> thurbad, it seems like the uboot is looking for uEnv.txt instead of boot.scr
Jan 04 18:41:57 <thurbad> I think so, I don't have my c4 board in front of me, plugging it in backwards won't hurt, it just won't work
Jan 04 18:42:25 <snowrichard> well ok if i don't get a connection i'll turn it around them
Jan 04 18:43:41 <sakoman> koen: the sgx modules fail to build for the 3.2 kernel
Jan 04 18:44:07 <snowrichard> got to wait for my sdcard reader before i can download an image and create the card
Jan 04 18:44:14 <sakoman> I'll fall back to 3.0 and see what happens
Jan 04 18:46:32 <thurbad> bbxm: with uEnv.txt you shouldn't need the setenv command, just use: dvimode=640x480MR-16@60
Jan 04 18:46:48 <thurbad> and leave it as plain text
Jan 04 18:52:09 <koen> sakoman: I only tried 3.1
Jan 04 18:52:28 <koen> sakoman: the releasenotes indicate our patches for .38 and 3.0 were applied, not sure what 3.2 changes
Jan 04 18:52:52 <sakoman> koen: OK, I''l keep investigating
Jan 04 18:53:06 <thurbad> does anyone know if there's a minimum kernel version requirement for bluez4?
Jan 04 18:53:49 <bbxm> thanks, thurbad. I was reading on the beagleboard googlegroups, someone suggests using dvimode="hd720 omapfb.vram=0:8M,1:4M,2:4M"
Jan 04 18:54:42 <bbxm> do you know what the stuff after the resolution (aka "omapfb...") mean?
Jan 04 18:55:29 <thurbad> omapfb.vram is the memory assignment to various omap frame buffers
Jan 04 18:56:47 <bbxm> so do I need to include it in the uEnv.txt file or just "dvimode=640x480MR-16@60" is enough?
Jan 04 18:57:20 <thurbad> do you want 640x480 for your resolution?
Jan 04 18:58:06 <bbxm> yes
Jan 04 18:58:26 <thurbad> then it should work ok
Jan 04 18:58:59 <thurbad> wasn't sure when you put the hd720 up there, that's 1280x720
Jan 04 19:00:03 <bbxm> ya, sorry I copied from the googlegroup post and didn't change it to 640x480
Jan 04 19:00:48 <bbxm> I just tried and it works perfectly. Thank u very much, thurbad
Jan 04 19:01:04 <thurbad> cool
Jan 04 19:38:40 <Tony_> Hello all.  I'm working with the Angstrom Kernel 2.6.32 that came on my BB XM.  Does s-video work on this kernel version?  I'm having trouble configuring it.  Thanks.
Jan 04 19:47:18 <jkridner> calculus: I waited too long to get my flight.  I can send boards.
Jan 04 19:48:57 <ka6sox> hi jkridner
Jan 04 19:49:05 <jkridner> hi ka6sox
Jan 04 19:49:17 <ka6sox> is this for SCaLE? or something else?
Jan 04 19:49:34 <jkridner> yes, SCaLE.
Jan 04 19:49:56 <ka6sox> sweet.
Jan 04 19:50:11 <ka6sox> I will be there (well...I have to be there)
Jan 04 19:50:34 <ka6sox> nice to see 3 talks using Beagle*
Jan 04 19:52:20 * mranostay waves
Jan 04 19:52:33 <ds2> *splat*
Jan 04 19:53:14 <ka6sox> ds2, khem is considering
Jan 04 19:53:25 <ds2> ka6sox: I see
Jan 04 19:54:07 <ds2> ka6sox: you rang last night?
Jan 04 19:55:47 <ka6sox> ya, that was 27 interrupts ago...popping the stack.
Jan 04 19:56:26 <ds2> high latency system here :D
Jan 04 19:56:49 <mranostay> heh dropping interrupts yet?
Jan 04 19:56:55 <ds2> just queued.
Jan 04 20:00:33 <Michael__> Hi, has anyone be able to get the camera working on the Angstrom system?
Jan 04 20:01:38 <mranostay> many i'm sure
Jan 04 20:06:11 <jkridner> Tartarus: are you headed to SCaLE?
Jan 04 20:10:16 <Michael__> i am able to detect /dev/video0, but it is showed not a video capture device when i run mplayer
Jan 04 20:11:23 <mranostay> welcome djlewis 
Jan 04 20:11:52 <djlewis> mranostay:  :)
Jan 04 20:17:45 <jkridner> calculus: Tartarus says I should send the boards to you to hand out.  ka6sox, if you want to hand some out, I can send them to you instead.  I'm thinking 3 boards?
Jan 04 20:18:16 <ka6sox> jkridner, sounds good.
Jan 04 20:18:17 <jkridner> should be to promote beagleboard.org, but I'd be fine with them at the OE booth if we don't get a beagleboard.org booth.
Jan 04 20:18:27 <ka6sox> I can take them...
Jan 04 20:18:37 <ka6sox> and make sure they promote beagleboard.org
Jan 04 20:18:53 <jkridner> ka6sox: k, fill out http://tinyurl.com/givebb and I'll ship 'em to ya.
Jan 04 20:19:05 <ka6sox> jkridner, will do
Jan 04 20:21:10 <ka6sox> jkridner done
Jan 04 20:22:25 <ka6sox> jkridner, do you  have a booth banner?
Jan 04 20:22:33 <thurbad> Tony_: did you change your u-boot environment variables? the u-boot environment is configured for DVI by default if you're using a modified version
Jan 04 20:22:45 <jkridner> yeah, we've got one I can send.
Jan 04 20:22:54 <jkridner> I think we have a tablecloth.
Jan 04 20:23:03 <jkridner> and a banner stand.
Jan 04 20:23:17 <ka6sox> kk.
Jan 04 20:23:26 <jkridner> is there a booth?
Jan 04 20:25:31 <aholler> hmm, btw. does the u-boot for the beagle/bone contain the win-cr/lf-patch I've send sometime through pm?
Jan 04 20:26:02 <aholler> I think that might help some new people
Jan 04 20:26:59 <ds2> table cloth? hehe
Jan 04 20:27:01 <aholler> at least those which never have seen a linux
Jan 04 20:27:32 <ds2> does a beagleboard.org table cloth exists?
Jan 04 20:28:12 <mdp> I hope so, seems like an ideal gift for the SO
Jan 04 20:29:10 <ka6sox> jkridner, quite possibly
Jan 04 20:29:14 <ka6sox> see PM
Jan 04 20:29:34 <aholler> will there also be some bones?
Jan 04 20:29:49 <smplman> im trying to disassemble the firmware on my tv, is there a way to do it? the reason i ask here is i think the hardware may be similar to the BB. http://mktg.sharpusa.com/newsletters/files/gpl.htm
Jan 04 20:30:58 <dm8tbr> which part of it sounds like omap3?
Jan 04 20:31:40 <smplman> none of that link, right now im just trying to get any useful info from the actual firmware file itself
Jan 04 20:31:50 <ds2> the presence of the common a?
Jan 04 20:34:16 <jkridner> ds2: there is a beagleboard.org table cloth.
Jan 04 20:34:35 <smplman> im pretty sure its an ARM but not sure about omap3, still looking
Jan 04 20:35:17 <dm8tbr> smplman: mtk could be mediatek, which would be interesting
Jan 04 20:36:44 <smplman> dm8tbr: guessing its for the built in wifi. 
Jan 04 20:38:59 <smplman> funny thing is my model is not listed on the page
Jan 04 20:41:26 <aholler> smplman: just compare the kernel-source with an stock kernel (e.g. with using git) and you will see what they have patched in
Jan 04 20:42:13 <smplman> aholler: you think the entire filesystem is contained within the firmware? the file size is 63MB
Jan 04 20:42:28 <aholler> sure
Jan 04 20:43:00 <dm8tbr> I'd bet a considerable sum, that the whole firmware can _not_ be built from those sources
Jan 04 20:43:08 <smplman> i agree
Jan 04 20:43:14 <dm8tbr> they only release what's covered by GPL et al.
Jan 04 20:43:27 <aholler> don'tconfuse firmware with source
Jan 04 20:43:32 <smplman> i also found this http://www.sharp.eu/cps/rde/xchg/eu/hs.xsl/-/html/gpl-lgpl-compliant-software.htm
Jan 04 20:43:53 <smplman> aholler: thats why i want to try and disassemble the firmware 
Jan 04 20:44:35 <dm8tbr> but it's interesting to see that there seems to be commercial support for linux on mediatek SoCs
Jan 04 20:50:04 <smplman> i wonder why sharp links to two kernel sources
Jan 04 20:52:04 <dm8tbr> probably vanilla+overlay/bsp
Jan 04 20:52:20 <dm8tbr> or something similar
Jan 04 21:05:41 <djlewis> jkridner: if I fill out the form will I get new beagles ;)
Jan 04 21:06:08 <jkridner> can't hurt.
Jan 04 21:06:59 * jkridner responds to promises to do good beagleboard.org deeds.
Jan 04 21:07:45 * jkridner is also lazy and cheap. :)
Jan 04 21:07:57 <amossam> did anyone tried to get analog (VGA) signals from lcd header on bb xm, c3? 
Jan 04 21:08:54 <aholler> any chance to buy a bone at the beer event to have something to play over night? ;)
Jan 04 21:09:37 <jkridner> amossam: there aren't any analog VGA signals on the LCD header.
Jan 04 21:09:41 <jkridner> they are all digital.
Jan 04 21:10:01 * djlewis likes the raining binary
Jan 04 21:10:19 <amossam> yes, but i found a project that converts then to analog. but it was for original bb if i remeber correctly
Jan 04 21:11:04 <jkridner> amossam: the same LCD signals are brought to both, xM just has a header for them.
Jan 04 21:11:54 <amossam> here is the link: http://www.linusakesson.net/hardware/beagleboard/vga.php
Jan 04 21:12:08 <amossam> so, it _should_ work?
Jan 04 21:13:48 <amossam> and original and xm have same pinout for LCD header?
Jan 04 21:16:38 * jkridner suggests you compare the schematics.
Jan 04 21:17:41 <amossam> ok, i hoped that i wouldnt need to digg throught manuals... :D
Jan 04 21:20:45 <snowrichard> got my beagle board fedex today
Jan 04 21:21:09 <snowrichard> had ordered it dec 21 from boardzoo.com but they didn't ship it till after new years
Jan 04 21:33:37 <djlewis> darn their onry hides!
Jan 04 21:44:04 <bbxm> Does anyone know how to output custom frame data on the hdmi/dvi port?
Jan 04 21:46:16 <calculus> jkridner: would there be a booth?
Jan 04 21:47:01 <calculus> ka6sox: I printed out a beagleboard banner with the dog for the last SCALE conference
Jan 04 21:47:15 <jkridner> I never made arrangements for one, but ka6sox seems to feel the OE table would be open for BeagleBoard.org materials, at least by my understanding.
Jan 04 21:47:26 <ka6sox> yes, and help :D
Jan 04 21:47:30 <jkridner> I had a table cloth made near the end of the year.
Jan 04 21:47:40 <calculus> it is about the same size as the default signs above the booths
Jan 04 21:50:35 <aholler> bbxm: gimp?
Jan 04 21:50:38 <aholler> ;)
Jan 04 21:50:48 <jkridner> the table cloth is 132" x 90"
Jan 04 21:51:56 <jkridner> bbxm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_framebuffer
Jan 04 21:55:05 <bbxm> aholler, sorry I should have explained better. I need to output a specified data pattern of 0's and 1's continuously (i.e. the hdmi/dvi port would not be sending the desktop screen or programs running on it)
Jan 04 21:56:30 <ds2> jkridner: had to ask given the last event I was at ;)
Jan 04 21:57:21 <aholler> bbxm: I don't think that is possible.
Jan 04 21:57:44 <bbxm> jkridner, I read that article but don't quite know how exactly the framebuffer mechanism works or how to send data to it
Jan 04 21:59:33 <aholler> the framebuffer is just a bitmap
Jan 04 22:00:25 <aholler> but what ends up on dvi/hdmi contains a lot more, those are protocols
Jan 04 22:00:29 <_av500_> one would need to have 0 h and v porches
Jan 04 22:00:42 <_av500_> one the parallel lcd port
Jan 04 22:00:54 <_av500_> on
Jan 04 22:01:14 <jkridner> ds2: http://flic.kr/p/b7vTRB
Jan 04 22:01:50 <thurbad> do you want just a console that you can stream binary output to?
Jan 04 22:03:55 <bbxm> I need a mechanism that reads from a file and send output to the framebuffer
Jan 04 22:04:04 <aholler> cat
Jan 04 22:04:16 <aholler> cat <file >/dev/fbN
Jan 04 22:05:00 <bbxm> aholler, will there be any type of optimization between the framebuffer and the actual output?
Jan 04 22:05:50 <bbxm> as you mentions earlier that "what ends up on dvi/hdmi contains a lot more"
Jan 04 22:07:06 <aholler> I never have read those specs but I would think so
Jan 04 22:07:23 <ds2> jkridner: is this newer then Jun 2011?
Jan 04 22:07:36 <jkridner> yes.
Jan 04 22:07:41 <ds2> Ohhhhh no wonder
Jan 04 22:07:43 <ds2> :)
Jan 04 22:08:52 <Mikkael-> hi all...i'm wondering: does a windows embedded compact 7 run on a BB out of the box? or does it need to be tweaked?
Jan 04 22:12:06 <aholler> m$ might have an answer for that, they sell it.
Jan 04 22:13:32 <smplman> Mikkael-: http://www.adeneo-embedded.com/en/Products/Board-Support-Packages/BeagleBoard
Jan 04 22:15:13 <bbxm> aholler, suppose cat gets the job done, how would I "turn off" the Linux desktop and let the hdmi/dvi port output only what the framebuffer receives from cat?
Jan 04 22:17:43 <aholler> don't start a desktop?
Jan 04 22:19:28 <bbxm> but will it still send the command prompt screen? How do I block everything else and let the framebuffer receives data only from cat?
Jan 04 22:19:45 <aholler> disable fbcon
Jan 04 22:20:13 <aholler> have a look at linux/Documentation
Jan 04 22:20:28 <Mikkael-> smplman: thanks for the info
Jan 04 22:20:41 <Mikkael-> looks like it needs tweaking :/
Jan 04 22:21:13 <Mikkael-> I have a license for win embedded compact 7, but I'm not sure it'll work with this modified install...
Jan 04 22:21:29 <Mikkael-> aholler: and no, m$ won't know the answer
Jan 04 22:22:08 <aholler> who else if you want to us a unmodifed version of that?
Jan 04 22:22:37 <bbxm> thanks, aholler, I'll look into that
Jan 04 22:23:24 <Mikkael-> i just mean that i think they won't bother to check whether it will work specifically with the BB, or any custom system
Jan 04 22:23:37 <Mikkael-> maybe i'm wrong, it was just my thought
Jan 04 22:27:50 <aholler> the standard is a pc, everything else is custom.
Jan 04 22:30:32 <bbxm> aholler, I was going to execute commands (e.g. cat) via VNC but it seems VNC sends data from the framebuffer. Is there anyway to isolate the hdmi/dvi port to use a separate buffer?
Jan 04 22:31:19 <aholler> yes
Jan 04 22:31:47 <bbxm> could you show me, please?
Jan 04 22:31:54 <aholler> no, sorry
Jan 04 22:32:20 <aholler> I don't know every manpage, have to read them too
Jan 04 22:36:59 <dalton> Hello... I am starting to study the development with beagleboard/angstrom and I would like to ask some tips/help about that... can anyone tell me the most used sdk/toolchain for develop to angstrom?
Jan 04 22:38:05 <Crofton|work> dalton, read http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Jan 04 22:38:14 <dalton> I will have to read data from some sensors, through the serial port... and send to a server...
Jan 04 22:38:32 <jay6981> dalton: GCC
Jan 04 22:41:43 <dalton> Crofton|work: doing that steps, I will have the environment to develop, right? I ask you that because I already search sdk (like the integrated eclipse/android), but I didnt find... and I dont have experience with embedded linux development...
Jan 04 22:42:02 <Crofton|work> you can get a simple toolchain for cross work via http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/simplified-development-setup
Jan 04 22:42:23 <Crofton|work> you might also install a toolchain on the beagle itself and compile there
Jan 04 22:43:45 <mru> what a crazy idea
Jan 04 22:43:58 <dalton> ok...
Jan 04 22:45:05 <dalton> so... please, can you tell me what do you think is better for me (beginner): the normal toolchain or that simplified development setup?
Jan 04 22:46:24 <Crofton|work> try simplified
Jan 04 22:46:55 <Crofton|work> also try install opkg install task-native-sdk on the beagle
Jan 04 22:47:28 <bbxm> aholler, thank you, you have clarified a lot of my confusion
Jan 04 23:04:16 <dalton> Crofton, thanks!
Jan 04 23:06:29 <Crofton|work> I htink I got the package name right
Jan 04 23:28:44 * Russ notes some rather horrible misunderstanding of xml in codewarrior...
Jan 04 23:29:43 <Russ> <TaskConfiguration File_Name_1=... File_Name_11=...  ...Restrict_Address_End_1=... Restrict_Address_End_11... >
Jan 04 23:29:44 <Russ> etc
Jan 04 23:30:00 <Russ> you wouldn't want to group each configuration together or anything
Jan 04 23:35:15 <aholler> xml isn't designed to be read by humans, so you shouldn't see that ;)
Jan 04 23:37:16 <Russ> It just amazes me that whoever wrote that piece didn't sit back and wonder if there was an easier way
Jan 04 23:37:43 <mru> had he, he would not have used xml
Jan 04 23:38:41 <Russ> It reminds me of mjg59's example of "...and then pushing all of these into a tool that only runs on Windows ME, before taking the resulting image and replacing chunks of it by hand..."
Jan 04 23:38:51 <djlewis> lovely idea
Jan 04 23:39:01 <Russ> and knowing that it isn't satire or exaggeration its probably a real world example
Jan 04 23:39:45 <mru> very enterprisey
Jan 04 23:41:12 <aholler> I have a very good example for intelligent use of xml too, done by our government: http://evatr.bff-online.de/eVatR/xmlrpc/beispiel
Jan 04 23:42:14 <Russ> oi....
Jan 04 23:43:52 <Russ> so letters dtd and the word 'schema' means nothing to them
Jan 04 23:44:21 <djlewis> the juiced laptop lives again :)
Jan 04 23:50:26 <Russ> did it blend?
Jan 04 23:52:01 <djlewis> added a little vodka and shook vigorously :)
Jan 04 23:53:53 <mru> good, we wouldn't want a stirred laptop
Jan 04 23:56:01 <djlewis> :) later . . .
Jan 05 00:01:39 <ds2> <binary data="0000ffe2fef......."> <-- that's a good example of xml? :D
Jan 05 00:04:38 <Russ> it really depends on what the binary data is, if it isn't parsed by the application that receives the xml, then it isn't horrible
Jan 05 00:05:21 <ds2> let's say that is an ini file saved out as a hex file ;)
Jan 05 00:13:43 <Russ> then you fail, or as is done in industry, you just ship it
Jan 05 00:14:18 <ds2> let's UUencode everything then stick them in XML ;)
Jan 05 01:31:09 * mranostay scrolls up
Jan 05 01:31:34 <mranostay> CW... *shudders*
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Jan 05 04:34:08 <emeb_mac> This town is becoming like a ghost town
Jan 05 04:46:43 <ds2> you moved down to tombstone?
Jan 05 04:48:12 <emeb_mac> heh, or Jerome
Jan 05 04:50:07 <jipi> ~~~~~
Jan 05 04:53:09 <rlmccormick> arizona?
Jan 05 05:07:28 <ka6sox> Jerome? oh my
Jan 05 05:07:37 <ka6sox> Apache Junction.
Jan 05 05:20:30 <emeb_mac> Apache Jct is hardly a ghost town.
Jan 05 05:20:58 <emeb_mac> for that matter neither are Tombstone or Jerome.
Jan 05 05:23:30 <ds2> Tombstone is a special case
Jan 05 05:24:25 <emeb_mac> more of a tourist trap
Jan 05 05:24:56 <ds2> yep. been there.
Jan 05 05:25:32 <emeb_mac> same here - actually sat through the OK Corral production. Cheeze!
Jan 05 05:27:42 <emeb_mac> So - how long until 3.2 propatges to the Angstrom kernel? ;)
Jan 05 05:27:56 <ds2> 4 scores and 7 years...
Jan 05 05:28:49 <emeb_mac> ds2: still running out of GPIO?
Jan 05 05:29:06 <ds2> got that mostly solved
Jan 05 05:29:09 <ds2> routing problems 
Jan 05 05:29:11 <emeb_mac> nice
Jan 05 05:29:21 <emeb_mac> how many layers?
Jan 05 05:29:25 <ds2> trying to do a clean routing in 2layers so... :D
Jan 05 05:29:35 <emeb_mac> that can be challenging
Jan 05 05:29:39 <ds2> 100 more air wires to take care of
Jan 05 05:30:09 <emeb_mac> what's the $$ penalty for 4 layers?
Jan 05 05:30:37 <ds2> for proto, about 4x the costs (the cheap guys are all 2layers)... for production, not too much
Jan 05 05:30:57 <emeb_mac> Yeah - that's the big problem.
Jan 05 05:31:22 <emeb_mac> makes proto unreasonably expensive.
Jan 05 05:31:51 <emeb_mac> Give it a few years and I'd imagine we'll see more parity.
Jan 05 05:32:15 <ds2> OTH, I already got mini bgas
Jan 05 05:32:37 <emeb_mac> yoiks!
Jan 05 05:32:45 <emeb_mac> bga on 2 layers!
Jan 05 05:33:07 <ds2> it is a MINI bga (single ring of balls)
Jan 05 05:33:23 <emeb_mac> Almost a QFN/CSP
Jan 05 05:33:39 <emeb_mac> not so bad for routing
Jan 05 05:33:40 <ds2> yep
Jan 05 05:33:55 <ds2> the tricky part there is this is a sensor chip so it has all sorts of routing rules
Jan 05 05:34:06 <ds2> even requires a ground ring around the BGA for signal quality
Jan 05 05:34:14 <emeb_mac> not uncommon
Jan 05 05:34:22 <emeb_mac> what's it sensing?
Jan 05 05:34:43 <ds2> FIR
Jan 05 05:34:52 <ds2> far infrared
Jan 05 05:35:12 <emeb_mac> hmmm - what's the application for that?
Jan 05 05:36:24 <ds2> non contact temperature sensing is one
Jan 05 05:36:37 <emeb_mac> that's what I was wondering.
Jan 05 05:37:45 <emeb_mac> motion sensing too I'd guess.
Jan 05 05:37:45 <ds2> that sensor is puny though
Jan 05 05:37:57 <ds2> you can motion sense but it is overkill for that
Jan 05 05:39:19 <emeb_mac> I2C?
Jan 05 05:39:40 <ds2> yep
Jan 05 05:41:07 <emeb_mac> Sounds like you're building a tricorder.
Jan 05 05:41:17 <snowrichard> i just looked at my beagle board with my glasses on and found the revision marking its a C3, so apparently got 256MB dram
Jan 05 05:41:30 <snowrichard> web site said they were shipping c2
Jan 05 05:41:50 <ds2> heheh, something like that :D
Jan 05 05:41:58 <emeb_mac> ;)
Jan 05 05:42:00 <ds2> the am33x is an industrial oriented processor
Jan 05 05:42:12 <emeb_mac> snowrichard: who'd you get it from?
Jan 05 05:42:41 <snowrichard> circuitco website boardzoo.com  39.95 plus 12.50 or so shipping
Jan 05 05:42:56 <ka6sox> evening
Jan 05 05:43:09 <emeb_mac> snowrichard: nice - didn't realize they were shipping the old ones again. Out of stock for a while.
Jan 05 05:43:10 <ds2> I'd avoid them and go with standard Digikey
Jan 05 05:44:00 <snowrichard> well i hooked it up to my hdmi input on my tv and applied the 5v wall wart power and got color on the video so it seems to be working
Jan 05 05:44:05 <emeb_mac> snowrichard: but I'm pretty sure the C2 had 256K also
Jan 05 05:44:13 <emeb_mac> at least mine does...
Jan 05 05:44:21 <Russ> M?
Jan 05 05:44:22 <ds2> I have a C4 with 128M ;)
Jan 05 05:44:26 <snowrichard> i don't have my sd card reader for the pc yet so can't make boot image
Jan 05 05:44:39 <Russ> My poor Bx only has 128M
Jan 05 05:44:42 <emeb_mac> ds2: how'd you manage that?
Jan 05 05:45:25 <snowrichard> those parts were in dallas yesterday morning
Jan 05 05:45:30 <snowrichard> 150 miles away
Jan 05 05:45:35 <ds2> emeb_mac: 128M chips are easier to get 
Jan 05 05:46:19 <emeb_mac> ds2: special build?
Jan 05 05:46:28 <ds2> *nod*
Jan 05 05:46:41 <ds2> rePOP'ing actually
Jan 05 05:47:29 <emeb_mac> sounds like a nuisance.
Jan 05 05:47:33 <snowrichard> getting a usb hub, usb - ethernet adapter, and pc sd card usb adapter in the mail in a few days
Jan 05 05:47:39 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: heya
Jan 05 05:48:35 <emeb_mac> snowrichard: good luck with that. I've had a lot of issues with the USB host port on my C2.
Jan 05 05:48:48 <emeb_mac> don't recall if the C3 fixed that or not.
Jan 05 05:49:09 <emeb_mac> I've got a wifi dongle that works in it OK, but hubs have caused a lot of problems.
Jan 05 05:49:30 <snowrichard> hopefully its powered hub
Jan 05 05:49:41 <snowrichard> have to go back on geeks.com and check
Jan 05 05:50:30 <emeb_mac> snowrichard:  wasn't so much the powered/unpowered as that the C2 had a power decoupling issue on the VCC line to the USB host PHY.
Jan 05 05:50:38 <ds2> beware of cheap hubs.
Jan 05 05:50:59 <emeb_mac> I think that in later spins they rerouted the power to the PHY and fixed that.
Jan 05 05:52:09 <ds2> they moved it to a seperate LDO
Jan 05 05:53:23 <snowrichard> even if this stuff comes in tommorrow i can't play with it till tommorrow evening cause i have an 11:30 drs appt
Jan 05 05:53:30 <snowrichard> out of town
Jan 05 05:53:38 <emeb_mac> toys must wait
Jan 05 05:53:54 <snowrichard> been waiting for this appointment since summer time
Jan 05 05:54:06 <snowrichard> VA is horrible in getting appointments schedules
Jan 05 05:55:51 <ka6sox> emeb_mac, boy is that the truth...
Jan 05 05:56:21 <snowrichard> my dad's uncle worked at TI for years, his name is on the calculator patent for the first calculator they had, jerry merryman
Jan 05 05:56:26 <emeb_mac> wow - $39.95 for a C3. boggles the mind.
Jan 05 05:56:34 <snowrichard> and an ink jet printer nozzle patent
Jan 05 05:57:07 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: still out amongst the windmill of Tehachapi?
Jan 05 05:59:02 <ka6sox> yes, unfortunately
Jan 05 05:59:19 <ka6sox> but at least I am back out of the cold boxes into something warm.
Jan 05 05:59:33 <snowrichard> i'm in a dead zone for internet, can't get cable or dsl here, so i'm on satellite
Jan 05 05:59:59 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: what you working on out there?
Jan 05 06:00:41 <ka6sox> DAB and DVB stuffs...
Jan 05 06:01:33 <ds2> ka6sox: how cold is tehachapi now?
Jan 05 06:01:52 <snowrichard> have no idea where that is
Jan 05 06:01:52 <ka6sox> 40's now
Jan 05 06:02:01 <_av500_> DAB?
Jan 05 06:02:22 <emeb_mac> snowrichard: east of Bakersfield CA
Jan 05 06:02:22 * ka6sox wonders if av500 ever sleeps.
Jan 05 06:02:30 <_av500_> ka6sox: just woke up
Jan 05 06:02:41 <dm8tbr> ka6sox: some say he's a bot and triggered by keywords
Jan 05 06:02:54 <ds2> 40's not bad
Jan 05 06:03:04 * emeb_mac woke up at 5:30 AM to check out the Quadrantids. No joy, but did see a polar satellite.
Jan 05 06:03:12 <ds2> lots of cheap places to stay out there
Jan 05 06:03:42 <snowrichard> real estate pretty cheap here
Jan 05 06:03:54 <snowrichard> can still get a decent house under 100K
Jan 05 06:04:17 <snowrichard> or a slum for 20K
Jan 05 06:04:19 <snowrichard> lol
Jan 05 06:04:29 <ka6sox> av500, yes, DAB and DVB
Jan 05 06:04:29 <_av500_> lolslum?
Jan 05 06:04:31 <emeb_mac> "fixer-upper"
Jan 05 06:04:56 <ka6sox> not nearly as well done on the audio side.
Jan 05 06:04:58 <_av500_> ka6sox: DAB being used in the US?
Jan 05 06:05:34 <_av500_> its dying a slow death over here in .de
Jan 05 06:05:52 <xenland> Any one have an Idea on how to use the uLCD-32PT with the Beaglebone? I have it powered up already, I'm curious as to what programming language and what commands should be involved when talking with one of these displays aswell.
Jan 05 06:05:57 <snowrichard> digital audio broadcast? just guessing
Jan 05 06:06:03 <_av500_> yes
Jan 05 06:06:30 <_av500_> xenland: C is a nice language
Jan 05 06:06:35 <dm8tbr> well there are some variants like DMB and DAB2 or so, but nothing seems to get traction
Jan 05 06:06:41 <ds2> uLCD-32PT? got a link?
Jan 05 06:06:45 <_av500_> they even wrote the kernel in C
Jan 05 06:06:49 <xenland> sure give me a minute
Jan 05 06:07:03 <snowrichard> some tiny bits in assembler
Jan 05 06:07:11 <_av500_> dm8tbr: FM shutoff was just postponed to 2025 :)
Jan 05 06:07:12 <xenland> I figured C would be good or the NodeJS that comes with the bealgebone using the Angstrom LInux
Jan 05 06:07:23 <ka6sox> av500, dm8tbr same here...no traction.
Jan 05 06:07:23 <dm8tbr> _av500_: haha :)
Jan 05 06:07:28 <xenland> I'm having issues figuring out how to send commmands back and forth
Jan 05 06:07:48 <ds2> C is always good
Jan 05 06:07:55 <xenland> http://www.4dsystems.com.au/prod.php?id=114
Jan 05 06:07:56 <emeb_mac> yay C
Jan 05 06:08:24 <ds2> Oh those 4D system things... 
Jan 05 06:08:33 <ds2> think they go through the UART, IIRC
Jan 05 06:08:35 <_av500_> ah, its smart
Jan 05 06:08:58 <xenland> i have the tx hooked up to the UART1_RX
Jan 05 06:08:59 <_av500_> teach it to do it by itself
Jan 05 06:09:03 <snowrichard> i'm gonna use my tv for display for the time being
Jan 05 06:09:06 <xenland> and then the rx hooked up to the UART1_TX
Jan 05 06:09:14 <_av500_> wrong
Jan 05 06:09:17 <_av500_> tx goes to rx
Jan 05 06:09:20 <_av500_> and rx to tx
Jan 05 06:09:28 <_av500_> tx not being texas :)
Jan 05 06:09:28 <ds2> is it 3.3V?
Jan 05 06:09:31 <xenland> thats what i said?
Jan 05 06:09:35 <ds2> _av500_: eh?
Jan 05 06:09:46 <_av500_> xenland: yes, but i am not awake :)
Jan 05 06:09:46 <emeb_mac> nothings sure but death in texas?
Jan 05 06:09:52 <xenland> ds2 the pins are 5v tolernt
Jan 05 06:10:21 <ds2> xenland: no, is the module running at 3.3V? the bone is _NOT_ 5V tolerant by itself
Jan 05 06:10:35 <_av500_> xenland: well, then open() the uart port and talk to it
Jan 05 06:10:52 <_av500_> usual linux serial stuff applies
Jan 05 06:11:20 <xenland> the LCD display says it can work up to 3.3v for the tx and rx pins but its power supply is 4v to 5.5v with a suggested rating of 5v
Jan 05 06:11:40 <xenland> the LCD display says it can work up to 5v pins *
Jan 05 06:11:52 * _av500_ goes for a wild tram ride
Jan 05 06:12:18 <xenland> I'm using an arduino mega to power the LCD display btw
Jan 05 06:12:26 <xenland> it has 5v on it
Jan 05 06:12:30 <ds2> xenland: be careful there.... it sounds like it will output 5V and fry stuff
Jan 05 06:12:59 <_av500_> ds2: but you can go to Fry's for more stuff then
Jan 05 06:13:01 <xenland> ds2: thanks for your concern - i've been running it for an hour now and nothing is hot
Jan 05 06:13:14 <snowrichard> i got a couple arduinos laying around, a mega and and an uno
Jan 05 06:13:31 <ds2> xenland: depends on duty cycle of the lines
Jan 05 06:13:43 <xenland> hmm duty cycles are new to me
Jan 05 06:14:01 <ds2> it might have protection diodes that are getting turned on so if you do that too much, it goes toasty
Jan 05 06:14:19 <_av500_> tasty
Jan 05 06:15:06 <xenland> So in C anyone have a clue on how to use UART1 pins as far as talking to this display? 
Jan 05 06:15:40 <dm8tbr> the display didn't come with example code?
Jan 05 06:15:40 <ds2> open( "/dev/ttyO0", O_RDWR ); write(fd, foo, count);?
Jan 05 06:16:57 <xenland> dm8tbr: It comes with an API and documention but only for the board it self. Nothing with Linux or beaglebone specific. I emailed them and asked on their forums they replied and said they don't know anything about the beaglebone and then asked me if i would like to write drivers for them - that just goes to show you they don't provide much
Jan 05 06:17:32 <xenland> thanks ds2 I'll try that. 
Jan 05 06:18:45 <ds2> you might have to set the baudrate, etc
Jan 05 06:18:59 <ds2> use stty on the command line before hand for a quick hack
Jan 05 06:20:10 <dm8tbr> xenland: generic linux code would be just fine
Jan 05 06:20:24 <dm8tbr> xenland: there is not much 'beagle(bone)' specific
Jan 05 06:20:33 <ds2> well.....
Jan 05 06:20:46 <ds2> ttyO0 is bone specific
Jan 05 06:21:27 <xenland> I guess i assume that because they are connected though pins 26 and 24 then linux wouldn't detect that or somthing - I grew up on windows 98 so its hard to remember that linux dosen't require drivers for things to connect to it right away
Jan 05 06:21:45 <ds2> windows does not need drivers either
Jan 05 06:21:57 <ds2> open("COM1:", O_RDWR )
Jan 05 06:24:49 <xenland> open( "/dev/ttyO0", O_RDWR ); write(fd, foo, count); <---- That code is C or BAsh? its not working in the Angstrom terminal
Jan 05 06:25:06 <ds2> sigh
Jan 05 06:25:08 <ds2> I give up.
Jan 05 06:25:24 <emeb_mac> what's bugging you?
Jan 05 06:25:28 <dm8tbr> well ttyO0 would typically be config and not code :)
Jan 05 06:26:42 <xenland> oh yeah that makes perfect sense! :D
Jan 05 06:30:25 <xenland> So you guys are ehh linux pros then ehh?
Jan 05 06:30:58 <ds2> no, we are rank amateurs
Jan 05 06:31:32 <ka6sox> I resemble that remark.
Jan 05 06:31:53 <Russ> I'm keeping my amateur status so I can linux in the olympics
Jan 05 06:32:19 <emeb_mac> I believe there was a big discussion of professionalism a while back :)
Jan 05 06:32:28 <ds2> hahahahahhaha
Jan 05 06:32:33 <ka6sox> thats an -ism
Jan 05 06:33:58 <xenland> heh
Jan 05 06:34:27 <emeb_mac> it was epic. doors slamming, epithets hurled.
Jan 05 06:47:31 <Russ> emeb_mac, I really need to switch jobs
Jan 05 06:47:51 <Russ> there was a guy who threw chairs at my last job though, that was awesome.
Jan 05 06:47:52 <emeb_mac> to what
Jan 05 06:48:08 <Russ> I job where people slam door, hurl epithets
Jan 05 06:48:24 <Russ> preferably about something like reproducibility
Jan 05 06:48:47 <emeb_mac> hah - but that was here on this channel.
Jan 05 06:49:24 <emeb_mac> some drive-by n00b who was displeased with the seriousness with which we took his questions.
Jan 05 06:49:44 <ka6sox> a driveby?
Jan 05 06:50:29 <emeb_mac> OK - a little longer. Actually lasted a good 1/2 hour or so IIRC
Jan 05 06:53:23 <Russ> wow, really professional sony store, I'm running firefox 10, but my web browser is outdated (Maybe it is sorting the version number lexographically)
Jan 05 06:58:41 <emeb_mac> g'nighty
Jan 05 07:05:06 <av500> pah, professionals
Jan 05 08:34:51 <av500> hmm, my 1999 embedded project builds in 0.974s these days :)
Jan 05 10:12:00 <[IDC]Dragon> hi there, does somebody know how to pair bluetooth devices from the (board) command line?
Jan 05 10:12:39 <[IDC]Dragon> google fails for me, I only find references to desktop tools
Jan 05 10:16:53 <dm8tbr> [IDC]Dragon: there are ways, yes, several IIRC. the gentoo wiki had some basic stuff. but there is also some gsoc project that produced some nice software for cli use
Jan 05 10:17:56 <[IDC]Dragon> or even file level would be fine
Jan 05 10:19:45 <aholler> [IDC]Dragon: install bluez-tools
Jan 05 10:20:24 <aholler> not sure which distributions already have a package for it
Jan 05 10:20:50 <[IDC]Dragon> what tool are you about to refer to?
Jan 05 10:21:36 <[IDC]Dragon> I have some bluez stuff compiled
Jan 05 10:21:46 <aholler> git clone git://gitorious.org/bluez-tools/bluez-tools.git
Jan 05 11:52:57 <FlameGod> Hello. Can somebody please give me a hint how to activate UART2 on beaglebone? I just can't find any documentation on that. Should i mess with the U-Boot for that?
Jan 05 12:11:45 <mdp> FlameGod: check that pinmux is configured for it. You can look at the example of uart3 being configured for the EVM that's in the board file.
Jan 05 12:13:59 <FlameGod> mdp: could u please give me some more info where i can get that example?
Jan 05 12:14:35 <mdp> kernel arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-am335xevm.c:uart3_init()
Jan 05 12:18:39 <FlameGod> thank's for the info, i will have a look at it
Jan 05 12:19:25 <mdp> FlameGod: try to ignore the fact that the EVM and code are woefully overcomplicated compared to the bone..but just look at the end point of having to set the pinmux correctly
Jan 05 12:19:53 <mdp> np, check the trm/datasheet versus the bone srm pinout and get the uart2 pins avaialble configured properly
Jan 05 12:22:23 <FlameGod> so actually i will have to do a patch for the actual beaglebone kernel and recompile it?
Jan 05 12:24:37 <mdp> yes
Jan 05 12:25:33 <FlameGod> ok, thx
Jan 05 12:25:48 <mdp> but that can be fun, fulfilling, and justify an early drink :)
Jan 05 12:26:06 <FlameGod> hehe :)
Jan 05 12:27:02 <FlameGod> i just need to understand that bitbake system ... atm it's just like magic for me
Jan 05 12:27:12 <FlameGod> i don't even know where i have to look for kernel sources 
Jan 05 12:27:43 <mdp> eventually it'll be possible to adjust most of these things by changing the DT blob and passing that in..but that's a ways off
Jan 05 12:28:48 <mdp> hrm, my recommendation is to pull out your kernel tree and build separately
Jan 05 12:29:15 <mdp> I don't know of anybody that does kernel devel inside of OE due to the needless overhead of bitbake scanning everything
Jan 05 12:32:58 <FlameGod> ok, i'm just a kinda new to embedded world, so i haven't done cross-compiling yet
Jan 05 12:33:42 <aholler> why use bitfoo at all to build a kernel?
Jan 05 12:33:49 <mdp> hrm, trying to think of the best starting resource for you then
Jan 05 12:34:08 <mdp> you want to grab an angstrom standalone cross toolchain..I'll grab you a link for that
Jan 05 12:34:26 <mdp> and I notice that the link on beagleboard.org/bone to kernel sources is woefully out of date
Jan 05 12:34:36 <mdp> I can berate jkridner about that
Jan 05 12:34:54 <mdp> aholler, yeah, that's what I'm trying to steer him away from atm :)
Jan 05 12:36:21 <mdp> I know koen seems to prefer just keeping the kernel current by slapping patches into meta-ti so there may not be a real git tree
Jan 05 12:36:38 <aholler> the topic sources for u-boot/kernel is hot since several years
Jan 05 12:37:01 <aholler> that will never change ;)
Jan 05 12:37:57 <mdp> well, and those of us that do kernel development mostly had a disagreement internally about this model of having an OE tree as "upstream" for kernel support
Jan 05 12:38:23 <mdp> fundamentally flawed
Jan 05 12:38:38 <aholler> beagleboard.org should point people to a git a the configs, job done ;)
Jan 05 12:38:43 <mdp> yep
Jan 05 12:39:08 <mdp> now FlameGod sits here with no good way to grab a kernel tree, recompile, and make progress
Jan 05 12:40:02 <FlameGod> so if u understood you right, the beagleboard linux tree at github isn't the actual one?
Jan 05 12:41:09 <mdp> FlameGod: I was just browsing the meta-ti branch commits for that tree and I see koen last pulled a commit from my github tree on december 11..I can't believe that's the latest stuff used to build those prebuilt images
Jan 05 12:41:57 <mdp> https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/tree/v3.1-meta-ti-r2f+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d
Jan 05 12:42:55 <mdp> maybe it is..looks like he populated a raft of patches on that branch
Jan 05 12:43:36 <av500> mdp: its like with the spoon, there is not git tree
Jan 05 12:43:43 <av500> no*
Jan 05 12:44:32 <mdp> heh
Jan 05 12:44:56 <mdp> FlameGod: so anyway, go read http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/, grab one of those to get your toolchain set up
Jan 05 12:45:19 <mdp> FlameGod: try cloning the branch I linked above and building that
Jan 05 12:45:24 <FlameGod> thx
Jan 05 12:45:58 <FlameGod> could you please point me to board-am335xevm.c? i couldn't find it
Jan 05 12:46:26 <mdp> I'll ask nicely around here if maybe somebody would consider updating that section to give a jumpstart of how to rebuild the kernel in this context…they should know lots of beginners will be grabbing this board
Jan 05 12:46:46 <mdp> althought interesting, I'm stuck working on an antique kernel driver atm :P
Jan 05 12:47:13 <av500> http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
Jan 05 12:47:22 <av500> koen would quote that link ^^^
Jan 05 12:48:16 <mdp> https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/blob/v3.1-meta-ti-r2f+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-am335xevm.c#L1001
Jan 05 12:49:00 <mdp> av500, lol..yes, there was time when Tartarus tried to convince me that was sane
Jan 05 12:49:17 <FlameGod> ok, now i have something to work with .. thanks a lot
Jan 05 12:49:53 <av500> mdp: newer argue with the Tatars!
Jan 05 12:50:14 <mdp> there's a number of generic guides for git and cross compiling kernels on The Google too if you get stuck with that stuff
Jan 05 12:50:17 <aholler> antique sounds like .32 or even .26
Jan 05 12:50:34 <mdp> .33rc4ish
Jan 05 12:50:38 <mdp> you're close
Jan 05 12:50:49 <aholler> I've just wondered about CONFIG_PHYS_OFFSET (3.2)
Jan 05 12:51:25 <mdp> av500, momma only told me not to argue with my taters
Jan 05 12:51:51 <FlameGod> but i find it kind of weird, why there is no UART activated on beaglebone by default ... that's the first thing newbies like me want to work with
Jan 05 12:52:29 <FlameGod> there is some guide in the mailing list only how to activate uart1
Jan 05 12:52:52 <FlameGod> but it does not work for uart2-5
Jan 05 12:53:50 <av500> mdp: I think like Facebook, Google dropped the "The" :)
Jan 05 12:54:48 <av500> FlameGod: there is a uart by default, the one that hooked up to the usb2serial
Jan 05 12:55:02 <mdp> av500, in my defense I'm getting old and behind the times :) perhaps I'm ready for politics
Jan 05 12:55:15 <FlameGod> but isn't it already used for the console?
Jan 05 12:55:16 <av500> mdp: can you see russia from your back porch?
Jan 05 12:55:21 <av500> FlameGod: it is
Jan 05 12:55:25 <av500> still its a uart
Jan 05 12:55:59 <mdp> av500, indeed…but it easier to see those commies in canadia from here :)
Jan 05 12:56:14 * av500 votes for mdp
Jan 05 12:56:35 <mdp> I can make inflammatory statements with the best of them
Jan 05 13:35:16 <sakoman> koen: the new sgx sdk kernel modules do not build for omap3 on Linux 3.0
Jan 05 13:35:31 <sakoman> http://build.sakoman.com/public/logs/task/58340.txt
Jan 05 13:36:25 <sakoman> the patch to fix that issue is fairly simple, but then it gets even worse
Jan 05 13:38:27 <sakoman> http://build.sakoman.com/public/logs/task/58349.txt
Jan 05 13:38:54 <sakoman> I find it amazing that the sdk has been broken for several releases and noone seems to care
Jan 05 13:39:47 <av500> sakoman: of course it works, but for android :)
Jan 05 13:40:40 <sakoman> av500: koen says it works for beaglebone too
Jan 05 13:40:50 <sakoman> so I suppose those are the only 2 things that matter
Jan 05 13:41:31 <av500> well, bone has no DSS
Jan 05 13:42:26 <av500> and the android SDK has no mention of any OMAP_DSS flags :)
Jan 05 13:43:02 <mdp> sakoman, c'mon…you care…you're someone :)
Jan 05 13:43:16 <av500> sakoman: in fact, the sgx linux driver we have are now in kernel
Jan 05 13:43:29 <av500> drivers/gpu/sgx
Jan 05 13:43:38 <av500> drivers/gpu/pvr
Jan 05 13:44:18 <av500> sakoman: your kernel has no OMAP_DSS_UPDATE_MANUAL?
Jan 05 13:44:24 <av500> or missing inlcude?
Jan 05 13:44:37 <sakoman> the header file moved in 3.0
Jan 05 13:44:50 <sakoman> (I think)
Jan 05 13:44:58 <sakoman> just starting to investigate
Jan 05 13:46:44 <sakoman> I'm just grumpy that sdk's get released that clearly don't work, and it seems to happen every release
Jan 05 13:47:10 <av500> sakoman: yes, but does the sdk mention any kernel rev?
Jan 05 13:47:26 <av500> what kernel was it released for?
Jan 05 13:47:43 * mdp lays his money on 2.6.37
Jan 05 13:48:00 * av500 folds
Jan 05 13:49:51 <sakoman> release notes state 3.1.0 arago kernel for am335x
Jan 05 13:50:13 <av500> yes, but since no DSS....
Jan 05 13:50:17 <sakoman> and 2.6.37 psp kernel for 35/37xx
Jan 05 13:50:24 * aholler wonders what does numbers in 4.05.00.03-r102a do stand for
Jan 05 13:51:22 <mdp> sakoman, right, the last and only fully functional kernel for 35/37xx is 2.6.37…coincidentally that's what the TI SDK releases with and what the graphics sdk team targets
Jan 05 13:51:33 <mdp> "fully"
Jan 05 13:51:53 <av500> so it all makes sense :)
Jan 05 13:52:35 * sakoman creates policy not to accept any further work that involves sgx
Jan 05 13:52:56 <mdp> av500, I don't agree with your conclusion
Jan 05 13:53:07 <av500> mdp: get in the line!
Jan 05 13:53:09 <mdp> but yes, there's a reason
Jan 05 13:53:14 <mdp> heh
Jan 05 13:53:38 <av500> sakoman: shuffle the few header files and it should be fine
Jan 05 13:54:05 <sakoman> av500: I did the header shuffle last release
Jan 05 13:54:34 <sakoman> it worked for 37xx, sort of for ES2.1 35xx, and not at all for ES3.1 35xx
Jan 05 13:56:28 <ant_work> doh, 3.2 is mainlined
Jan 05 13:58:03 <mdp> yeah, brace yourself for the merge window churn
Jan 05 14:23:38 <Evan_> Hey guys! I was wondering if anyone could help me out with getting my BeagleBone's USB-Ethernet working on Windows7?
Jan 05 14:23:59 <Evan_> I've tried installing all the necessary drivers, as well as attempted to manually use the FTDI ones, but I can't seem to get anything to behave.
Jan 05 14:34:26 <Evan_> Hey guys! Can anybody point me in the right direction?
Jan 05 14:47:46 <koen> sakoman: beagle is the only outsider user that actually tests the sdk
Jan 05 14:48:19 <koen> sakoman: so if the release isn't in angstrom it's unlikely to work :(
Jan 05 15:03:38 <av500> koen: the PRUSSians are enraged
Jan 05 15:05:04 <mdp> heh
Jan 05 15:09:26 <av500> ....Are TI frikin serious?!....
Jan 05 15:11:06 <mdp> always
Jan 05 15:11:15 <av500> http://www.tizenexperts.com/2012/01/tizen-association/
Jan 05 15:11:22 <av500> I wonder why intel is :)
Jan 05 15:11:55 <av500> ah intel needs to join Tizen 1st
Jan 05 15:12:31 <mdp> think of the commitment it requires to create one of these associations :)
Jan 05 15:12:54 <av500> mdp: you mean, all it needs it a cheap printer and a typist?
Jan 05 15:13:06 <av500>  /or a typist/
Jan 05 15:13:18 <mdp> yeah, you know the incredible investment required to put up a website..that's commitment
Jan 05 15:22:26 <[IDC]Dragon_> aholler: I have bluez-tools in place now
Jan 05 15:24:13 <av500> [IDC]Dragon_: HNY12
Jan 05 15:24:27 <[IDC]Dragon_> thx
Jan 05 15:25:05 <[IDC]Dragon_> u2
Jan 05 15:25:15 <av500> thx
Jan 05 15:25:49 <[IDC]Dragon_> (I know you like those leet nerdy abbreviations)
Jan 05 15:26:49 <av500> pah
Jan 05 15:33:53 <ka6sox> av500, "<av500>	[08:03:29] koen: the PRUSSians are enraged" LOL...good one
Jan 05 15:38:26 <mdp> av500, funny thing is that the exact conversation was held internally too about PRUSS…
Jan 05 15:40:01 <ka6sox> I guess I could get out my Torch and Pitchfork....but what good would that do me?
Jan 05 15:41:01 <mdp> the deciders have won this battle :)
Jan 05 15:46:29 * ka6sox rewrites his paper on how to do RT with linux...and scratches PRU off as an alternative.
Jan 05 15:47:04 <mdp> if somebody found it exciting to add pruss v2 support to gas that would be cool
Jan 05 15:47:34 <av500> arent the PRU opcodes known?
Jan 05 15:47:37 <mru> what happened to pruss?
Jan 05 15:47:51 <av500> mru: TI say we cannot play with it
Jan 05 15:47:55 <av500> and people are crying
Jan 05 15:47:57 <mdp> av500, it seems to be mostly documented
Jan 05 15:48:07 <av500> instead of just sitting down and writing an asm for it
Jan 05 15:48:21 <mdp> I'm not sure how much is incomplete in the public docs though
Jan 05 15:48:23 <mru> did they delete all the docs?
Jan 05 15:48:30 <mru> from my hd?
Jan 05 15:48:37 <av500> mru: you did not see the ninja?
Jan 05 15:48:42 <av500> well, of course not
Jan 05 15:48:56 <mdp> mru, they are just complaining about the TI stance not to release pasm v2
Jan 05 15:49:19 <ka6sox> its their perogative...I am not "crying"
Jan 05 15:49:23 <mdp> and the refusal of TI to support anybody programming the PRU v2
Jan 05 15:49:24 <av500> mdp: can't you dropbox it by accident?
Jan 05 15:49:34 <mru> so write i  hex
Jan 05 15:49:42 <mdp> lol
Jan 05 15:49:42 <mru> in
Jan 05 15:50:19 <ka6sox> oh gawd....back to 4040 days :P
Jan 05 15:50:25 <sakoman> koen: I hate being the one to tell clients (and TI customers) that they can't have a recent mainline Linux kernel *and* working SGX
Jan 05 15:50:29 <av500> not 4004?
Jan 05 15:50:33 <mru> that thing has less rhsn a dozen opcodes, can't be hard
Jan 05 15:50:45 <ka6sox> av500, nope...just 4040
Jan 05 15:50:50 <mru> *less
Jan 05 15:50:57 * av500 thinks mru has funny autocomplete
Jan 05 15:51:11 <mdp> sakoman, it's just another feature in a long list where they can't have a recent kernel…get in line behind PM
Jan 05 15:51:30 <av500> sakoman: you have strange customers
Jan 05 15:51:38 <av500> dont they want a working system?
Jan 05 15:51:38 <sakoman> mdp: I think from now on I will just say "I don't do sgx"
Jan 05 15:51:40 * mru now has incentive to play with pru...
Jan 05 15:51:53 <av500> mru, pru
Jan 05 15:51:58 <av500> mpru
Jan 05 15:52:03 * mdp sees that mru took the bait
Jan 05 15:52:12 <mdp> sakoman, a wise choice
Jan 05 15:57:30 <koen> sakoman: welcome to my world :(
Jan 05 15:59:29 <mdp> koen, you need to use your incredible influence on the graphics team
Jan 05 15:59:56 <koen> right
Jan 05 16:00:09 <koen> they usually fix things I report pretty quick
Jan 05 16:00:14 <koen> prabu is awesome
Jan 05 16:01:11 * mdp enables his sartalics font options
Jan 05 16:01:41 * av500 is prompted to download a font pack.... gee
Jan 05 16:03:14 <mdp> http://sartalics.com/
Jan 05 16:08:45 <xxiao> trustzone...anyone played with that
Jan 05 16:09:32 <koen> 3rd base?
Jan 05 16:09:55 <av500> xxiao: kind of
Jan 05 16:10:21 <av500> BN just demonstrated how not to do it :)
Jan 05 16:10:39 <av500> well, in fact, trustzone is still OK
Jan 05 16:12:17 <xxiao> av500: it's essentially a 33-bit system
Jan 05 16:12:28 <xxiao> will have meeting with TI on this in 20 minutes
Jan 05 16:12:44 <xxiao> it's pretty different from powerpc's secureboot method
Jan 05 16:12:51 * av500 thinks he had that meeting in the past
Jan 05 16:13:18 <av500> xxiao: ask them how to secure stage 2 using only the 30k or so RAM you have for stage 1
Jan 05 16:14:17 <xxiao> ROM-MLO-u-boot, by stage2 you mean u-boot or MLO here, if it's me i will call the full u-boot.bin stage3 and linux stage4
Jan 05 16:14:41 <av500> xxiao: well, the rom code loads "stage 1" and obviously checks that
Jan 05 16:14:47 <av500> then stage 2 needs to go on
Jan 05 16:15:01 <av500> er, stage 1 needs to go on and check stage 2
Jan 05 16:15:27 <av500> so, only ROM code trusts MLO, how does MLO trust uboot?
Jan 05 16:15:42 <av500> in the case of the Nook, the answer seems to be, there is no check
Jan 05 16:15:52 <xxiao> no surprise to me
Jan 05 16:16:14 <av500> when we asked that question to TI, the answer was "<crickets>"
Jan 05 16:16:42 <xxiao> that means you're beta-users as TI does not know much on that either
Jan 05 16:17:06 <av500> I cannot comment on that :)
Jan 05 16:18:10 <xxiao> trustzone is way more than just secureboot though
Jan 05 16:18:28 <av500> yes
Jan 05 16:18:51 <av500> drm keys are with stage 1, so should be still safe 
Jan 05 16:19:10 <av500> and if firewalls are setup correctly, rogue code cannot do much
Jan 05 16:19:20 <xxiao> yes i think i will focus on secure boot, no way we have time to do the whole trustzone, not even a subset
Jan 05 16:19:42 <xxiao> when you sell to Federal gov, they like all these shit
Jan 05 16:19:44 <av500> you have basically 2 use cases: 1) make sure only your code runs
Jan 05 16:19:47 <av500> 2) so DRM
Jan 05 16:19:55 <av500> do DRM
Jan 05 16:20:05 <av500> for 1) you dont need trustzone
Jan 05 16:20:15 <av500> you only need a full chain of trust
Jan 05 16:20:30 <av500> for 2) you need trustzone but might not care what user space runs
Jan 05 16:20:44 <av500> as long as DRM keys cannot be accessed from said user space
Jan 05 16:28:52 <xxiao> right...time for meeting
Jan 05 16:29:22 <av500> xxiao: have fun
Jan 05 16:32:53 <ka6sox> bleh...off to "work"
Jan 05 16:33:38 <emeb> work. meh
Jan 05 17:34:51 <aholler> the word trust lost everything it meant sometimes in the past
Jan 05 17:35:01 <aholler> at least in conjunction with it
Jan 05 17:35:12 <aholler> s/it/IT/
Jan 05 17:36:57 <emeb> true dat
Jan 05 17:42:30 <aholler> and the stable tree is missing a tag for 3.2 :/
Jan 05 17:46:26 <aholler> and finger_banner still tells me that the last stable kernel is 3.0.4
Jan 05 17:47:54 <aholler> rant a day ;)
Jan 05 18:33:40 <aholler> back to trust, I personaly think all those "trust"-mechanisms should get called antitrust-mechanisms
Jan 05 18:51:17 <Russ> aholler, you are just not looking at who the object and subject of the trust is
Jan 05 18:51:29 <Russ> and who is mistrusted
Jan 05 18:56:35 <aholler> true. but it ended such that 'trust' is now a word I imply something bad with.
Jan 05 18:56:47 <aholler> (in IT)
Jan 05 18:57:05 <aholler> because nobody trusts me anymore ;)
Jan 05 18:57:21 <aholler> s/nobody/nothing/
Jan 05 18:58:56 <Russ> Then its a mistrust mechanism :)
Jan 05 18:58:59 <aholler> I'm awating clocks which needs fingerprints before they tell you the time ;)
Jan 05 19:28:16 <aholler> hmm, are there dt's available for the beagle (classic)?
Jan 05 19:31:29 <aholler> ui, dss learned edid
Jan 05 19:33:18 <woglinde> aholler haha this dont prevent you from sucky panel manufactors
Jan 05 19:39:41 <aholler> it gives you someone to blame when it doesn't work
Jan 05 19:48:57 <Russ> aholler, you finally have your 3.2.y tag :p
Jan 05 19:51:58 <mdp> aholler, considering what's in an omap3 dts file today, it's pretty trivial to modify the memory property for a classic beagle
Jan 05 19:53:26 <aholler> Russ: hmm, not here, the branch is there, but no tag
Jan 05 19:53:44 <aholler> dockstar3 linux # uname -a
Jan 05 19:53:44 <aholler> Linux dockstar3 3.2.0-dockstar-01971-gd16b209 #22 PREEMPT Thu Jan 5 18:59:57 CET 2012 armv5tel Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l) Seagate FreeAgent DockStar GNU/Linux
Jan 05 19:54:42 <aholler> just done a fetch again and didn't receive the tag v3.2
Jan 05 19:55:22 <Russ> oh, duh, it is a branch
Jan 05 19:55:36 <aholler> yeah, they changed that after the hack
Jan 05 19:56:00 <aholler> the branch is there since rc1
Jan 05 19:56:40 <Russ> eh, just add the trorvalds remote to your stable repo
Jan 05 19:57:10 <aholler> don't want that stuff ;)
Jan 05 19:57:36 <Russ> ...but...but
Jan 05 19:57:49 <Russ> all the commits are in the stable repo anyway!
Jan 05 19:58:25 <aholler> but then "git remote update" connects two times. ;)
Jan 05 19:59:26 <aholler> I can wait, the stable repo always needed a day or two to realize that linus released a new version
Jan 05 19:59:45 <Russ> then make a torvalds clone on your fs, have all linux repos on your system reference that as shared objects
Jan 05 20:00:14 <aholler> clone linux is a pain on devices with only 128mb ram ;)
Jan 05 20:00:16 <Russ> and for some repos you can also add it as a remote
Jan 05 20:00:28 <Russ> aholler, that's why you do a clone -s
Jan 05 20:00:52 <aholler> and for a unknown reason I couldn't use a git-repo cloned on my pc on my arm-box
Jan 05 20:01:13 <aholler> have had bad experiences with clone -s
Jan 05 20:01:28 <Russ> as long as you use it wisely, clone -s is an excellent tool
Jan 05 20:01:46 <aholler> when you delete the origin, bad stuff happens
Jan 05 20:02:39 <aholler> if -s is what I think I've used sometimes ;)
Jan 05 20:04:33 <aholler> needed a hour or two to fix some repos which lost their base because I deleted an old tree which I thought is unused  :(
Jan 05 20:05:40 <aholler> mdp: where can I find that omap3 dts?
Jan 05 20:06:16 <Russ> aholler, ouch
Jan 05 20:06:18 <mdp> arch/arm/boot/dts/omap3*
Jan 05 20:06:25 <aholler> ah, thanks
Jan 05 20:07:22 <mdp> in real world DT use, the memory property populated by U-boot or chooseyourown2ndstagebootloader
Jan 05 20:07:54 <aholler> seems I should have a look at u-boot too. I'm still using one that is a year old or such
Jan 05 20:08:16 <woglinde> haha if ms really buys nokia phone devision
Jan 05 20:09:04 <mdp> aholler, if you want to see what "state of the art" DT use looks like, look at FDT handling for powerpc
Jan 05 20:09:18 <aholler> woglinde: ms wanted to do that since they send elop out ;)
Jan 05 20:09:22 <woglinde> but bad for qt
Jan 05 20:09:23 <woglinde> yes
Jan 05 20:09:48 <mdp> aholler, tons of spaghetti code in u-boot to runtime detect and append nodes, etc. etc. so the kernel code can be pretty
Jan 05 20:10:04 <woglinde> u-boot uses device tree
Jan 05 20:10:06 <woglinde> this day
Jan 05 20:10:11 <woglinde> I heard
Jan 05 20:11:03 <mdp> it would be tough to boot a ppc board from it otherwise :)
Jan 05 20:24:46 <djlewis> gm
Jan 05 20:26:17 <woglinde> hi djlewis
Jan 05 20:27:04 <djlewis> woglinde: hows AL.
Jan 05 20:28:43 <woglinde> Alemania?
Jan 05 20:28:48 <woglinde> stormy and rainy
Jan 05 20:30:16 <djlewis> Sunny and wrm here today :)
Jan 05 20:30:29 <woglinde> fine lets change
Jan 05 20:33:27 <aholler> hmm, not much in the dts for the beagle provided with linux ;)
Jan 05 20:48:12 <toofar> Is there a way to do something like "bitbake -c rm_work world" ?
Jan 05 20:49:07 <woglinde> toofar delete the tmp-build dir
Jan 05 20:50:25 <_av500_> all that work and then delete it...what a waste
Jan 05 20:50:42 <toofar> That's what I've done in the past, but it leaves some stuff in an unknown state since the timestamps say some steps have been completed and I just clobbered some more
Jan 05 21:48:39 <Tony__> Hi all, I'm trying to use S-Video out on my BB XM.  I modified the uEnv.txt file on the boot partition.  File can be seen at http://pastie.org/3133678  I see the display on my monitor, but the screen is unreadable.  The display keeps scrolling quickly.  Question is, can somebody please check my uEnv.txt file to make sure it is correct?  Is there a value I'm missing?  Thanks for the help.
Jan 05 22:08:48 * mranostay waves and yawns
Jan 05 22:12:22 <xxiao> i got the board that can see mmc under u-boot but not under linux
Jan 05 22:12:49 <xxiao> the hw designer told me he moved SD slot a little further, might be linux driver is sensitive to that
Jan 05 22:13:08 <djlewis> mranostay: been taking a nap ;)
Jan 05 22:13:10 <xxiao> anyone knows the HS mmc driver uses a higher speed comparing to its u-boot mmc initialization code?
Jan 05 22:17:52 <ds2> does it look different on the scope?
Jan 05 22:18:01 <ds2> is it ignoring/rejecting commands?
Jan 05 22:22:57 <mranostay> djlewis: not really
Jan 05 22:23:34 * djlewis used to work at a college, found many state employees sleeping on the payroll.
Jan 05 22:23:55 <mranostay> i was only resting my eyes :P
Jan 05 22:24:00 <djlewis> :)
Jan 05 22:24:18 <ds2> djlewis: do they outnumber the students sleeping in class?
Jan 05 22:24:26 <djlewis> 10:1
Jan 05 22:24:30 <ka6sox> In calfornia we have a saying: whats orange and sleeps 6....
Jan 05 22:24:44 <ka6sox> A CalTrans Truck.
Jan 05 22:24:57 <djlewis> I was gking for highway dept workers
Jan 05 22:25:10 <djlewis> s/gking/going
Jan 05 23:54:26 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 05 23:54:49 * Russ_ "The speed limit everywhere on the facility (except the dragstrip) is 5 mph."
Jan 05 23:55:05 <Russ_> good thing they remembered to add the subtext, otherwise, I totally wasn't going to go
Jan 06 00:02:17 <ds2> a 5mph drag strip? nice
Jan 06 00:05:16 <ds2> the guy that sends images on the mailing list will have their address blacklisted.
Jan 06 00:13:38 <snowrichard> no joy on serial output from the beagle board.  did a little research and just ordered a different cable setup
Jan 06 00:14:34 <snowrichard> idc-10 to db9, a null modem cable
Jan 06 00:16:22 <snowrichard> someone sent an ad about forex trading on one of the lists i am on
Jan 06 00:16:49 <snowrichard> and that was not the subject of the list
Jan 06 02:14:15 <xenland> Any good tuts on accessing GPIO pins?
Jan 06 02:29:30 <tlab0> russ, do you remember telling me to echo 050d 2103 > new_id ?
Jan 06 02:32:42 <Russ> ya
Jan 06 02:33:24 <tlab0> I did an opkg update; upgrade and it doesn't crash now, what do I need to do next?
Jan 06 02:34:28 <Russ> does dmesg tell you that stuff is detected?
Jan 06 02:35:04 <tlab0> usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8192cu
Jan 06 02:36:29 <tlab0> I think that's from the modprobe rtl8192cu
Jan 06 02:40:59 <Russ> did you reboot since your last oops?
Jan 06 02:41:20 <tlab0> since the kernel crash?
Jan 06 02:41:21 <tlab0> yes
Jan 06 02:45:14 <xenland> Any good GPIO pin tutorials recommendations?
Jan 06 02:45:45 <tlab0> russ, nevermind I still get a kernel crash
Jan 06 02:46:25 <ds2> datasheet?
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Jan 06 06:00:55 <_av500_> if you need a datasheet, you are not ...
Jan 06 06:42:40 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 06 06:43:17 <snowrichard> is there another mirror for the angstrom demo image for beagle board rev c3? I started the download and it said it would take 23 hrs
Jan 06 06:43:56 <snowrichard> it was reporting less than 1000 bytes / sec
Jan 06 06:44:46 <snowrichard> i got my board to boot with a file system that came from the angstrom online builder and it let me log in over ssh but xorg wasn't working
Jan 06 06:45:16 <snowrichard> still no serial console so i was flying blind so to speak
Jan 06 07:26:18 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 06 07:27:16 <snowrichard> i've got my beagle board c3 logged in an ssh session.  i've only got a very basic image and i'm looking for the documents on how to install packages such as Xorg to use my hdmi ouput
Jan 06 07:27:49 <snowrichard> ones i found seem to be kind of dated
Jan 06 07:28:51 <snowrichard> the opkg command is present in /usr/bin for example but i don't know which packages i need to get a desktop environment on the hdmi out
Jan 06 07:35:42 <snowrichard> never mind i found a full demo image on the beagleboard mirror
Jan 06 07:35:45 <snowrichard> thanks anyway
Jan 06 07:36:22 <snowrichard> i had the systemd one which was enough to bring the network and sshd up but not much else
Jan 06 07:58:11 <ka6sox> so how tough should it be to get i2s running on a 'bone.
Jan 06 07:58:14 <ka6sox> ?
Jan 06 07:58:39 <av500> NO hard
Jan 06 07:58:44 <av500> NP hard :)
Jan 06 07:59:38 <ka6sox> NOT Hard or VERY Hard?
Jan 06 08:01:07 <av500> I have no idea :)
Jan 06 08:35:22 <snowrichard> well i tried the full angstrom demo image file system, got no video out put
Jan 06 08:35:35 <snowrichard> downloading the ubuntu one now to try
Jan 06 08:36:09 <snowrichard> network was up, i could ssh in though
Jan 06 08:42:50 <snowrichard> hi jipi
Jan 06 09:03:52 <jipi> yes snowrichard?
Jan 06 09:06:36 <j4son> http://i.imgur.com/FUCD0.jpg
Jan 06 09:06:44 <j4son> 11.5 kWh of stored energy
Jan 06 09:06:51 <j4son> </tim allen muhahahahahahaha>
Jan 06 09:14:09 <damir__> what do you need all that tubes for?
Jan 06 09:38:50 <lundmar> hi guys, can anyone here confirm that the audio (codec TPS65950) is working on the beagleboard-xm with the latest mainline linux kernel?
Jan 06 09:42:06 <av500> it works with whatever angstrom uses atm
Jan 06 09:42:12 <av500> no idea about mainline
Jan 06 09:43:11 <aholler> the hesse, always working ;)
Jan 06 09:45:14 <av500> aholler: you call that working?
Jan 06 09:45:36 <aholler> not sure what else are you doing besides resting here ;)
Jan 06 09:46:12 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 06 09:46:27 <aholler> but the hesse don't have holiday today, or not?
Jan 06 09:46:43 <snowrichard> well i tried the ubuntu 11.10 image and got some file system errors but there was video out but it was flashing
Jan 06 09:46:53 <snowrichard> trying the next older release now
Jan 06 09:47:29 <aholler> snowrichard: you should change your problem resolving algorithm
Jan 06 09:47:49 <snowrichard> i didn't see an md5sum for the image file to check it
Jan 06 09:49:42 <snowrichard> found them
Jan 06 09:49:48 <snowrichard> link was at the bottom of the page
Jan 06 09:52:12 <snowrichard> i guess next step would be getting a new sdcard
Jan 06 09:52:41 <av500> aholler: no holdiday on christmas eve here
Jan 06 09:52:58 <aholler> av500: haven't had that too :(
Jan 06 09:53:38 <aholler> snowrichard: a new sd-card won't fix video flashing, whatever that should be
Jan 06 09:54:29 <av500> I would switch to different rated mains power
Jan 06 09:54:33 <av500> green energy or so
Jan 06 09:55:07 <snowrichard> well i could read it enough to see what it was saying and there were file system errors, the pc detected same errors when it remounted the card before i rewrote it
Jan 06 09:56:15 <snowrichard> i may have to buy a dvi lcd
Jan 06 09:56:15 <aholler> that happens everytime when you don't do a clean shut down
Jan 06 09:56:21 <snowrichard> was trying to use this tv
Jan 06 09:56:32 <aholler> than it will always flashing
Jan 06 09:56:39 <aholler> or do you use hdmi?
Jan 06 09:56:53 <snowrichard> hdmi tv
Jan 06 09:57:05 <snowrichard> would the s-video be better
Jan 06 09:57:17 <aholler> no, forget s-video, try to setup the correct frequency
Jan 06 09:57:30 <aholler> read about uEnv.txt or boot.scr
Jan 06 09:57:33 <snowrichard> problem is i have no serial console
Jan 06 09:57:40 <snowrichard> was trying to work around that
Jan 06 09:57:56 <snowrichard> ok i could modify those files on the pc first then
Jan 06 09:58:10 <aholler> exchange 2 and 3 on one side of the non-working cable if you are using a beagle classic
Jan 06 09:58:37 <snowrichard> i've tried the cable with and without null modem adapter in line
Jan 06 09:58:42 <snowrichard> i think they wired it wrong
Jan 06 09:58:57 <aholler> about what beagle we are talking?
Jan 06 09:59:22 <snowrichard> i either get the R on gtk-term flashing or the cd and dsr flashing but no text
Jan 06 10:00:29 <aholler> screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 # ctrl-a shift-k to quit
Jan 06 10:00:45 <snowrichard> it doesn't do anything either
Jan 06 10:00:58 <snowrichard> its not on usb 
Jan 06 10:01:07 <snowrichard> can i use the usb for serial then
Jan 06 10:01:21 <snowrichard> don't have that mini cable yet
Jan 06 10:01:24 <aholler> no
Jan 06 10:01:27 <snowrichard> but radio shack has them i think
Jan 06 10:01:40 <aholler> I assumed you have a pc which don't has a normal serial
Jan 06 10:01:51 <aholler> sorry, my crystal ball is broken
Jan 06 10:01:58 <snowrichard> it has one the bios says its 3f8
Jan 06 10:02:11 <snowrichard> which should be ttyS0
Jan 06 10:02:23 <snowrichard> but i tried all four
Jan 06 10:02:46 <aholler> with screen or some terminal-foo with lots of options?
Jan 06 10:03:23 <snowrichard> minicom and gtk-term, was set to the right baud 8n1 no flow control
Jan 06 10:04:50 <snowrichard> on us power 60 cycle the tv refresh rate should be 60 hz too
Jan 06 10:07:04 <snowrichard> beagle board and box is marked rev c3
Jan 06 10:07:50 <snowrichard> ok download done
Jan 06 10:07:55 <snowrichard> be back tommorrow 
Jan 06 10:23:00 <doublebeta> Bah. Anyone speaking of the 'elegance' of Linux is crazy. Though I must admit, it probably IS the most elegant operating system in use today.
Jan 06 10:24:06 <av500> it will be elegant once it power Vertu phones....
Jan 06 10:24:09 <av500> powers
Jan 06 10:24:16 <doublebeta> Uh.
Jan 06 10:24:20 <doublebeta> Nope.
Jan 06 10:24:40 <doublebeta> I've...no idea how that's relevant.
Jan 06 10:30:18 <lundmar> anyone running mainline linux one the xM?
Jan 06 10:30:29 <lundmar> on*
Jan 06 10:31:03 <lundmar> looking at mainline it seems to be supported?
Jan 06 10:31:59 <aholler> yes
Jan 06 10:32:45 <lundmar> aholler, you do? does audio work?
Jan 06 10:33:38 <aholler> don't know, last time I used audio, I used bluetooth for that
Jan 06 10:34:36 <aholler> my secret solution for everything with beagle, network, hid, audio ;)
Jan 06 10:34:54 <lundmar> ok. so, in general running up eg. linux 3.1/3.2 is no problem? :)
Jan 06 10:35:06 <lundmar> on the xM!
Jan 06 10:35:21 <aholler> I've yesterday booted 3.2
Jan 06 10:35:43 <aholler> on a classic, but the difference is minimal
Jan 06 10:35:44 <lundmar> ok, nice to know. it is hard to find confirmation of this stuff online.
Jan 06 10:36:08 <lundmar> but xM should work right?
Jan 06 10:37:44 <koen> lundmar: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
Jan 06 10:42:39 <av500> also: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/18
Jan 06 10:45:53 <lundmar> koen, great thank you for the non help! I'm trying to play nice here. I already did my research on the Linux kernel support for the xM but I can not find confirmation of anyone actually running mainline on the xM board. Apparently this is not the right place to seek this information.
Jan 06 10:46:32 <av500> lundmar: "running" linux is a vague term
Jan 06 10:46:43 <av500> booting into a serial console I am quite sure works
Jan 06 10:46:49 <av500> some people are happy with that
Jan 06 10:47:06 <aholler> as i am ;)
Jan 06 10:47:18 <_cjp> me too
Jan 06 10:47:28 <lundmar> good, that confirms it for me then :)
Jan 06 10:47:53 <_cjp> of course mainline is a little vague too
Jan 06 10:47:55 * av500 wonders what was confirmed
Jan 06 10:48:08 <av500> _cjp: vague * vague = ?
Jan 06 10:48:11 <lundmar> av500, and you do mean something more recent than eg. 2.6.37 right?
Jan 06 10:48:14 <_cjp> very latest?
Jan 06 10:48:19 <lundmar> cjp, yes
Jan 06 10:48:23 <av500> lundmar: you said mainline
Jan 06 10:48:32 <lundmar> eg. 3.1, 3.2
Jan 06 10:48:45 <lundmar> latest
Jan 06 10:48:56 <av500> nothing is as obsolete as yesterdays mainline linux....
Jan 06 10:49:18 <aholler> exactly, that was 3.1
Jan 06 10:49:19 <_cjp> can't say I've tried the very latest, but I'm certain we had 3.1.x up and running
Jan 06 10:50:06 <lundmar> cjp, ok good to know for me.
Jan 06 10:50:57 <lundmar> because working on old linux kernel is not preferable when doing drivers and pushing them upstream.
Jan 06 10:51:08 <aholler> we are not counting our secret dozens patches on top of mainline ;)
Jan 06 10:51:18 <_cjp> lundmar: most of the "fun" is getting your .config tuned. I'm afraid it's an iterative process to figure out what and does not work. I'd avoid going for the big bang and hoping it all suddenly falls into place.
Jan 06 10:51:37 <_cjp> aholler: you give the community a very bad name ;-)
Jan 06 10:51:37 <lundmar> so you see I can't be stuck on old kernel like 2.6.37 that many of the bloated embedded distributions are pushing.
Jan 06 10:51:52 <av500> yes, they are all evil
Jan 06 10:52:02 <av500> what driver would that be?
Jan 06 10:52:36 <lundmar> cjp, don't worry - thats what I do all the time. I just need to build some confidence here that latest actually works on the xM (I'm asking here since I don't even have HW yet!)
Jan 06 10:53:48 <lundmar> I'm about to do a audio codec driver and the beagleboard xM seems a good candidate for a prototype implementation.
Jan 06 10:54:02 <av500> for secret codec?
Jan 06 10:54:06 <lundmar> for now :)
Jan 06 10:55:22 <lundmar> ok great, so latest probably works with the xM. Now if someone could tell me if audio is working on that too that would be great :)
Jan 06 10:56:00 <lundmar> specifically if the TPS65950 works :)
Jan 06 10:56:23 <aholler> don't forget the mistrust mechanism, user are bad
Jan 06 10:57:14 <lundmar> aholler, sure - always assume people are lying ;)
Jan 06 10:58:18 <av500> I don't
Jan 06 13:48:00 <jwinnebeck> Hello has anyone seen problems with Linux kernel (not) detecting USB devices after the first plugin (i.e. not a udev issue -- actually no USB connection events in dmesg)?
Jan 06 13:48:24 <jwinnebeck> This is for Beaglebone
Jan 06 13:48:42 <av500> yes
Jan 06 13:48:47 <av500> i think thats a know issue
Jan 06 13:48:54 <av500> unplug/replug does not work atm
Jan 06 13:48:56 <av500> koen: ^^^^
Jan 06 13:49:10 <jwinnebeck> Oh really, I was not able to research it. Well I tried 3 kernels, plug/replug works on one but not others
Jan 06 13:49:33 <jwinnebeck> But on the kernel where it works, I am trying to use FTDI serial and it "craps out" constantly, but it works perfectly on the other kernels where I can't replug
Jan 06 13:49:58 <jwinnebeck> I don't know if anyone is knowing about it or working on it where that fact would help them
Jan 06 13:52:10 <jwinnebeck> TI SDK 5.03.00 kernel 3.1-rc8 works with replug but SDK 5.03.01 kernel 3.1.0 and the kernel I got from angstrom "3.1.0+-r2g" don't
Jan 06 13:52:55 <woglinde> jwinnebeck you can read nor? -> 14:48 < av500> unplug/replug does not work atm
Jan 06 13:53:36 <jwinnebeck> woglinde: TBH, I don't know what NOR is on the bone
Jan 06 13:54:16 <jwinnebeck> I didn't think the bone had any flash
Jan 06 13:54:24 <woglinde> nor is english slang
Jan 06 13:54:27 <woglinde> not or
Jan 06 13:54:51 * av500 pictures woglinde doing english slang in brixton
Jan 06 13:55:01 <av500> it would be a riot
Jan 06 13:55:13 <woglinde> cool
Jan 06 13:55:27 <jwinnebeck> I did read it, except that it works with one of the kernels, I thought maybe if it's a known issue someone is working on it and might want to know that
Jan 06 13:55:32 <jwinnebeck> It's not a hardware issue
Jan 06 13:55:39 <jwinnebeck> well it suggests that it's not
Jan 06 13:55:53 <woglinde> thats why usb suckz
Jan 06 13:55:59 <woglinde> only few doing it right
Jan 06 13:56:02 <woglinde> in software
Jan 06 13:56:09 <woglinde> and some suckz at hw
Jan 06 13:56:27 <jwinnebeck> I've worked on other systems and the USB does suck, but the problems I have there is EMI/power/signalling
Jan 06 13:56:51 <jwinnebeck> Until we build a cape the USB is the fastest way...
Jan 06 13:57:22 <woglinde> av500 why need android more diskspace than oe?
Jan 06 13:57:44 <woglinde> fastest way of what?
Jan 06 13:58:31 <jwinnebeck> Adding hardware like CAN, wifi, bluetooth, serial, etc
Jan 06 13:59:20 <jwinnebeck> there is no wifi/BT on the board, you can add a cape for it but obviously quickest way is plug in a wifi USB for prototyping
Jan 06 13:59:41 <av500> woglinde: what?
Jan 06 13:59:54 <av500> jwinnebeck: sure
Jan 06 13:59:59 <av500> jwinnebeck: as said, its a know bug
Jan 06 14:00:06 <av500> TI india is supposed to work on it
Jan 06 14:00:28 <woglinde> av500 *g* when they understand that replugging is a must
Jan 06 14:00:45 <av500> woglinde: what about "diskspace"?
Jan 06 14:01:00 <woglinde> 6 gig to download
Jan 06 14:01:08 <woglinde> up to 50 gig compiling
Jan 06 14:01:10 <av500> what?
Jan 06 14:01:12 <woglinde> I read
Jan 06 14:01:42 <av500> you read? awesome! :)
Jan 06 14:01:45 <woglinde> at least when you do cynagomod thiggy
Jan 06 14:02:01 <woglinde> 6 gig download was right so fat
Jan 06 14:02:04 <woglinde> far
Jan 06 14:02:43 <av500> 38gig here
Jan 06 14:02:45 <av500> compiled
Jan 06 14:17:07 <snowrichard> well i guess its too much trouble to get the dvi working unless i get a dvi monitor... so i'm just going to install the 11.10 server image and use it over the network only
Jan 06 14:18:33 <snowrichard> simpler anyway only 1 kb mouse and display
Jan 06 14:24:46 <av500> snowrichard: you dont need a dvi monitor
Jan 06 14:24:52 <av500> a TV with hdmi in works as well
Jan 06 14:35:58 <snowrichard> but the video flickers and i kept messing up the file system trying to change the mode
Jan 06 14:36:42 <snowrichard> its an old crt might be the problem not lcd tv
Jan 06 14:36:57 <snowrichard> sony Wega
Jan 06 14:37:04 <av500> but it has hdmi in?
Jan 06 14:37:09 <snowrichard> yes
Jan 06 14:37:20 <av500> and in what mode did you run it?
Jan 06 14:37:39 <snowrichard> tried the 720p60
Jan 06 14:37:55 <snowrichard> what is the p mean
Jan 06 14:38:28 <av500> progressive
Jan 06 14:39:07 <snowrichard> i'm almost done getting the server (headless) image, if that works i'll be happy for todya
Jan 06 14:39:10 <snowrichard> today even
Jan 06 14:39:13 <woglinde> p == better than i
Jan 06 14:39:42 <snowrichard> the minimal angstrom booted up and recognized my ethernet usb dongle so this one should too
Jan 06 14:40:10 <snowrichard> but the angstrom mirror was incredibly slow
Jan 06 14:40:24 <snowrichard> like less than dialup
Jan 06 14:40:54 <snowrichard> well its downloaded guess i'll write the card and try it again
Jan 06 14:40:56 <snowrichard> thanks
Jan 06 15:17:16 <woglinde> so lets see if ics finally builds
Jan 06 15:17:25 <av500> it does here :)
Jan 06 15:17:59 <muriani> I'm building an openembedded rootfs for a long-unsupported XScale-based netbook :D
Jan 06 15:18:16 <woglinde> muriani worng channel?
Jan 06 15:18:32 <muriani> woglinde: no :P
Jan 06 15:18:36 <av500> wrong netbook
Jan 06 15:18:50 <muriani> av500: IT'S THE ONLY NETBOOK!
Jan 06 15:18:53 <muriani> hahaha
Jan 06 15:19:13 <woglinde> muriani it is -> I'm building an openembedded rootfs
Jan 06 15:19:13 <muriani> (Psion Netbook Pro)
Jan 06 15:19:29 <woglinde>  -> #beagle
Jan 06 15:19:39 <muriani> woglinde: well you're talking about building ics
Jan 06 15:19:54 <woglinde> yes for beagle
Jan 06 15:19:57 <woglinde> okay no
Jan 06 15:19:59 <muriani> that's as applicable to #beagle as a generic statement about building an openembedded rootfs
Jan 06 15:20:18 <muriani> I could be building Angstrom for beagle with that statement.
Jan 06 15:20:25 <muriani> oh
Jan 06 15:20:27 <muriani> wait
Jan 06 15:20:31 <muriani> I re0-read that line.
Jan 06 15:20:36 <av500> guys, relax
Jan 06 15:20:38 <muriani> DISREGARD ME
Jan 06 15:20:45 <muriani> I'm still caffeining.
Jan 06 15:20:46 <av500> muriani: as usual?
Jan 06 15:20:49 <woglinde> but you are aware there are android images for beagle
Jan 06 15:20:55 <muriani> av500: Probably.
Jan 06 15:20:56 <woglinde> av500 I am calm
Jan 06 15:21:01 <woglinde> most of the time
Jan 06 15:21:07 <muriani> Oh, I'm just in a goofy mood.
Jan 06 15:21:08 <av500> woglinde: not good, get club mate!
Jan 06 15:21:49 <woglinde> I should go and eat lunch finally
Jan 06 15:21:54 <av500> me too!
Jan 06 15:22:10 <woglinde> hm what is llvm used for
Jan 06 15:22:13 <ka6sox> *yawn*
Jan 06 15:22:19 <woglinde> in android
Jan 06 15:22:26 <av500> stuff
Jan 06 15:22:26 <woglinde> hi ka6sox
Jan 06 15:22:32 <ka6sox> morning woglinde 
Jan 06 15:22:48 <woglinde> hm compiled for host
Jan 06 15:23:09 <av500> woglinde: maybe its only for the sdk/emulator
Jan 06 15:23:20 <av500> i forgot
Jan 06 15:24:19 <woglinde> av500 ah that could be
Jan 06 15:24:36 <av500> woglinde: maybe for renderscript or so
Jan 06 15:24:39 * woglinde wonders why the qemu needs the internal libpng
Jan 06 15:25:25 * av500 stopped wondering
Jan 06 15:25:57 <av500> woglinde: at the current pace, I guees google will soon add ubuntu to the android source code
Jan 06 15:26:23 <av500> and run the whole build system in a VM
Jan 06 15:26:24 <woglinde> yeah all in git
Jan 06 15:26:32 <av500> of course in git
Jan 06 15:32:01 * koen wonders why people don't get that revenue is not the same as profit
Jan 06 15:32:19 * koen stops reading charbax' drivel
Jan 06 15:38:13 <av500> koen: you read that?
Jan 06 15:38:41 <woglinde> whats that?
Jan 06 15:38:44 <av500> oh, you comment that
Jan 06 15:39:26 <av500> 1.1 Million Chinese slaves work like crazy with no healthcare, no holidays, no families allowed, bad food, bad sleep, no hobbies, no HSDPA+, a Firewall blocking YouTube/Facebook/Twitter
Jan 06 15:39:35 <av500> note: no HSDPA+
Jan 06 15:40:01 <woglinde> av500 ah that
Jan 06 15:40:16 <woglinde> read in the ieee about the mines in congo
Jan 06 15:40:22 <woglinde> ups ieee magazin
Jan 06 15:40:51 <av500> woglinde: let me guess, the miners dont have HSDPA+ either?
Jan 06 15:41:01 <woglinde> right
Jan 06 15:41:10 <woglinde> and no holidays and so on
Jan 06 15:41:16 <woglinde> and they are even kids
Jan 06 15:41:42 <woglinde> and you need the minerals for you tv flat screen
Jan 06 15:41:54 <koen> who would have thought, cheap crap depends on slave labour
Jan 06 15:42:14 <av500> woglinde: they are also killing mountain gorillas
Jan 06 15:42:26 <av500> woglinde: no, you need the coltan for your cell phones
Jan 06 15:42:51 <koen> didn't they make a movie about all that?
Jan 06 15:43:01 <koen> unobtanium, home tree, etc
Jan 06 15:43:17 * mranostay waves
Jan 06 15:43:23 <mranostay> happy friday everyone!
Jan 06 15:43:38 <jwinnebeck> OK maybe I am dumb but I am not finding a way to determine the default uboot environment. I'm looking around in the u-boot source (which I compiled). Seeing the default environment would help me make a uEnv.txt
Jan 06 15:44:13 <mranostay> jwinnebeck: the config include has it
Jan 06 15:44:42 <woglinde> koen yes could be, but the article was mainly about the us act that every manufactur needs to be sure not to get minierals from a supplier which get it from this mines
Jan 06 15:45:45 <mranostay> woglinde: how exactly?
Jan 06 15:45:57 <mranostay> i know they kinda have a system with diamonds for instance
Jan 06 15:46:29 <mranostay> of course don't tell anyone that compressed carbon isn't that rare :)
Jan 06 15:47:29 <woglinde> mranostay search for dood-frank-act
Jan 06 15:47:38 <jwinnebeck> mranostay: thanks, I foind it finally it's the am335x_evm.h
Jan 06 15:48:18 <mranostay> "Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act" i'm sure that is a misnomer :)
Jan 06 15:48:28 <av500> woglinde: I am soo confident that chinese manufs keep close tabs on where the minerals are from......
Jan 06 15:48:57 <av500> 1) from street corner 2) from recycled phone 3) from garbage pile
Jan 06 15:49:04 <mranostay> av500: right up there with them repecting copyrights :)
Jan 06 15:49:10 <av500> 4) all of the above
Jan 06 15:49:11 <woglinde> okay
Jan 06 15:49:14 <woglinde> need to go
Jan 06 15:49:20 <woglinde> till later
Jan 06 15:49:35 <koen> technically US corporations cannot buy anything due to FCPA
Jan 06 15:50:46 <koen> although FCPA seems to boil down to "don't ask, don't tell" in a lot of cases
Jan 06 15:51:05 <mranostay> business as usual
Jan 06 15:51:30 <av500> koen: do they have a DCPA too?
Jan 06 15:52:51 <koen> of course not
Jan 06 15:54:34 <jwinnebeck> Is there a reason why the beagle uses ext3 on the mmc instead of ext4?
Jan 06 15:54:49 <jwinnebeck> My experiences with ext3 in embedded have been very bad
Jan 06 15:54:50 <ka6sox> Ah Yes....Chris Dodd...who went from being a Senator to the head of the MPAA...
Jan 06 15:59:00 <mranostay> ka6sox: *blech*
Jan 06 16:00:15 <ka6sox> mranostay, yup
Jan 06 16:00:45 <ka6sox> but Woglinde had it right...its Dood not Dodd :D
Jan 06 16:01:00 <ka6sox> rhymes with Stooge
Jan 06 16:01:01 <av500> dude
Jan 06 16:01:07 <mranostay> semantics :)
Jan 06 16:01:36 <ka6sox> mranostay, coming out to ELC?
Jan 06 16:07:08 <mranostay> what days is that in February again?
Jan 06 16:07:51 <mdp> 15-17
Jan 06 16:10:34 * av500 breaks down and googles "skyrim"
Jan 06 16:10:40 <ShadowJK> jwinnebeck; it's fine as long as you don't run fsck
Jan 06 16:10:46 <ShadowJK> though slow
Jan 06 16:11:00 <muriani> av500: I googled skyrim, and then I took an arrow to the knee.
Jan 06 16:11:26 <av500> "...Dragons can be encountered at random throughout Skyrim...." aha
Jan 06 16:12:05 <av500> hmm, the bar maids are well "built"
Jan 06 16:13:01 <mdp> that must mean lots of polygons, I guess
Jan 06 16:13:10 <mdp> well built, indeed
Jan 06 16:13:48 <mdp> mranostay, I thought you would be in town in that timeframe already...
Jan 06 16:14:30 <mranostay> i will be. are there any hobbyist badges left?
Jan 06 16:14:45 * ka6sox checks...need one too!
Jan 06 16:15:08 <av500> one needs a badge now for doing a hobby?
Jan 06 16:15:31 * dm8tbr considers going to ELC 
Jan 06 16:15:51 <mdp> mranostay, hobbyist boy scout merit badget :)
Jan 06 16:16:57 <jwinnebeck> ShadowJK: Yeah the problem I had with ext3 is that the performance on SD/MMC was far far worse than ext2, because of journaling
Jan 06 16:17:20 <jwinnebeck> but I think it was more than that, IIRC in ext3 there is a sort of "global lock" when committing the journal that doesn't happen in ext4
Jan 06 16:17:28 <jwinnebeck> so there is this random blocking of things
Jan 06 16:17:31 <mranostay> jwinnebeck: just don't power down incorrectly :)
Jan 06 16:17:54 <jwinnebeck> Yeah in another embedded system we ran ext2 but we also had a UPS
Jan 06 16:18:02 <av500> keep the rootfs in read-only mode
Jan 06 16:18:04 <jwinnebeck> also other technique was to have OS on read-only partition and 
Jan 06 16:18:05 <jwinnebeck> yeah
Jan 06 16:18:09 <jwinnebeck> put var on rw
Jan 06 16:18:10 <ShadowJK> I've never seen any performance differencwe between ext2 and ext3, although I imagine if you had some really shitty card like Kingston there'd be difference between ext2 and ext3
Jan 06 16:18:17 <jwinnebeck> and if I HAVE to blow away var, I just do it
Jan 06 16:18:39 <jwinnebeck> Yeah maybe we did something wrong but it was horrible with ext3, we were using MySQL
Jan 06 16:18:46 <jwinnebeck> flush times were in like 30-60 seconds with ext3
Jan 06 16:18:48 <ShadowJK> Biggest issue is of course that a single 512byte write is just as expensive as a half megabyte write :)
Jan 06 16:18:52 <jwinnebeck> and less than 1 second with ext2
Jan 06 16:19:03 <jwinnebeck> We were on a compactflash card running UDMA
Jan 06 16:19:10 <jwinnebeck> it was about 10MB/sec write
Jan 06 16:19:20 <jwinnebeck> I have a feeling it was the way MySQL does fsyncs
Jan 06 16:19:36 <ShadowJK> Write speed is irrelevant
Jan 06 16:19:43 <jwinnebeck> Because "normal" bopping around of the system like sftp etc didn't really affect ext2 vs ext3
Jan 06 16:20:11 <jwinnebeck> Well what I mean is that the CF card was fastish but not extreme or anything
Jan 06 16:20:18 <jwinnebeck> But yeah there is some latency/blocking thing or something
Jan 06 16:20:24 <ShadowJK> Because it only applies to 100% pure sequential write. If your MySql is updating little things here and there it'll be slower than rewriting the entire file.
Jan 06 16:20:25 <jwinnebeck> I read up on it
Jan 06 16:20:30 <ka6sox> mranostay, there was at least 1 left :D
Jan 06 16:20:54 <mranostay> ah what the hell it is only $70
Jan 06 16:21:02 * mranostay pops out the credit card
Jan 06 16:21:04 <jwinnebeck> But I wish I remember all I read, but I think I figured that it was probably due to a global atomic lock with sync so the throughput became very very low with mysql
Jan 06 16:21:20 <ShadowJK> In fact, databases optimized for flash operate in something close to journal-only mode so that it only ever appends a file :)
Jan 06 16:21:24 <jwinnebeck> I think MySQL fsyncs after every insert
Jan 06 16:21:35 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I don't/didn't want to use MySQL at all
Jan 06 16:21:40 <jwinnebeck> but it was existing solution
Jan 06 16:21:49 <jwinnebeck> we actually didn't even need the DB, it was horrible
Jan 06 16:21:55 <jwinnebeck> we just needed the replication logs :)
Jan 06 16:21:58 <ShadowJK> It's not a lock. It's just the amount of random writes.
Jan 06 16:22:00 <jwinnebeck> it was a write-only database
Jan 06 16:22:20 <jwinnebeck> The replacement was using a flat file and appending to it
Jan 06 16:22:32 <jwinnebeck> that doesn't have problem in ext3
Jan 06 16:22:34 * ka6sox uses couchDB for most stuff stuff with nodeJS.
Jan 06 16:22:50 <mdp> mranostay, cool..see you there then
Jan 06 16:23:17 <ShadowJK> You get 4 IOPS on flash. A sync updates more than 4 things probably :)
Jan 06 16:23:19 <jwinnebeck> problem is customers used to SQL...
Jan 06 16:23:34 <jwinnebeck> so didn't switch to the flat file
Jan 06 16:23:42 <jwinnebeck> :\
Jan 06 16:23:54 <ShadowJK> (an SSD will give you about 40,000 IOPS)
Jan 06 16:24:07 <jwinnebeck> Yeah our original system was an msystems 1GB SSD
Jan 06 16:24:13 <jwinnebeck> but that system was from around 2003 or so
Jan 06 16:24:16 <jwinnebeck> it was a $800 drive
Jan 06 16:24:23 <jwinnebeck> it screamed
Jan 06 16:24:50 <jwinnebeck> TBH I haven't seen a 1GB flash drive that performs as well as those SSDs did
Jan 06 16:25:06 <jwinnebeck> real SSDs are big now in size and space
Jan 06 16:25:46 <ShadowJK> Because they're optimized for cameras. Cameras write a 12megapixel image in one huge chunk, then update the FAT. The card only needs to handle one datastream at once
Jan 06 16:25:47 <jwinnebeck> OK I'm getting off-topic, I was just curious why ext3 instead of 4
Jan 06 16:26:04 <jwinnebeck> I never tested ext4 but reading it, it sounded like it would have fixed the fsync problem with MySQL on flash
Jan 06 16:26:43 <jwinnebeck> We do data logging and I'm curious to use beaglebone for the same
Jan 06 16:26:51 <jwinnebeck> because it costs less than 10% of the current solution
Jan 06 16:27:01 <ShadowJK> I'm guessing because ext4 was too buggy at the time they made first image, and then it hasn't been updated since
Jan 06 16:27:36 <ShadowJK> honestly, the problem is MySQL. It rapes even proper harddrives. Sqllite too
Jan 06 16:27:57 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I just convinced myself I don't care because I remember the ext3 problem was with MySQL, and I have the power to finally kill MySQL from this thing once and for all
Jan 06 16:28:06 <jwinnebeck> MySQL is horrible if the power goes out the whole table is shit
Jan 06 16:28:17 <mranostay> ka6sox: ok 48 at most left now :)
Jan 06 16:28:26 <jwinnebeck> And we're running an embedded system, not a server
Jan 06 16:28:33 * ShadowJK remembers when firefox switched to sqlite, typing stuff into address bar caused a 2 second pause after each letter. Then they disabled fsync in sqlite and it became bearable
Jan 06 16:28:35 <jwinnebeck> So I agree re: MySQL
Jan 06 16:28:45 <ShadowJK> and that was on a proper fastc omputer with a proper harddrive
Jan 06 16:28:53 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I looked at sqllite I really like it, but it has that flush problem too
Jan 06 16:28:58 <jwinnebeck> And I remember that with firefox
Jan 06 16:29:19 <jwinnebeck> Actually what pissed me off is that I was running an old/slow/loud HD
Jan 06 16:29:27 <ShadowJK> Flat file, then convert to whatever customer wants somewhere else.
Jan 06 16:29:32 <jwinnebeck> and when they swithced it does commits every time you make ANY CLICK anywhere
Jan 06 16:30:13 <jwinnebeck> and so the HD I could hear it constantly thrashing whenever firefox was open
Jan 06 16:30:36 <jwinnebeck> My machine is SSD now thankfully, best upgrade I ever made to a desktop
Jan 06 16:31:26 <jwinnebeck> ShadowJK: yeah problem with customers is that when it's installed and alreayd working... which it was, it was slow but still fast enough to write data faster than it was coming it, so solutions like that tend to never change... if it ain't broke...
Jan 06 16:31:40 <jwinnebeck> So even though it was horrific, it was good enough
Jan 06 16:32:32 <jwinnebeck> Anyway, I've been absolutely impressed with the power and speed of the beaglebone for what it is
Jan 06 16:32:35 <jwinnebeck> as well as the features
Jan 06 16:32:42 <jwinnebeck> This is a game changer
Jan 06 16:33:09 <CanyonMan> The sitara line is wonderful so far, and it's so much more accessible than omap is
Jan 06 16:33:10 <av500> jwinnebeck: pah, it does not even decode HD
Jan 06 16:33:10 <Mojito> The BeagleBone looks easier to get started with
Jan 06 16:33:22 <jwinnebeck> av500: I'm running a headless data collection system
Jan 06 16:33:29 <jwinnebeck> av500: I don't care about video or graphics at all
Jan 06 16:33:39 <av500> jwinnebeck: I'm running around headless :)
Jan 06 16:33:58 <Mojito> For my project though I need Wifi and Audio, neither of which the BBone has
Jan 06 16:34:04 <jwinnebeck> Yeah but
Jan 06 16:34:08 <jwinnebeck> that's what we like about the bone
Jan 06 16:34:19 <jwinnebeck> we're not Intel here we can't build a massive board
Jan 06 16:34:29 <jwinnebeck> the ARM is simple enough to work with
Jan 06 16:34:36 <CanyonMan> I found a module that you can buy in single piece quantities that uses the wifi/bluetooth chipset that's intended to be used by T.I.
Jan 06 16:34:40 <jwinnebeck> simpler even than the OMAP as CanyonMan said
Jan 06 16:34:44 <CanyonMan> What you need is just for somebody to put it on a CAP.
Jan 06 16:34:46 <CanyonMan> CAPE.
Jan 06 16:34:50 <jwinnebeck> yeah it is only like $30!
Jan 06 16:34:53 <CanyonMan> I wonder how many people would be itnerested in that
Jan 06 16:34:58 <ShadowJK> even if it decodes hd, the drivers and setting up always seem impossibly complex compared to, say, nvidia vdpau over on desktop
Jan 06 16:35:05 <CanyonMan> because if enough people were itnerested I might start up a project on ....
Jan 06 16:35:11 <CanyonMan> why can I never remember the name of that site
Jan 06 16:35:17 <jwinnebeck> kickstarter?
Jan 06 16:35:22 <CanyonMan> *snap* that's it
Jan 06 16:35:25 <Mojito> CanyonMan, that sounds interesting
Jan 06 16:35:32 <CanyonMan> it's a perfect kickstarter project
Jan 06 16:35:55 <CanyonMan> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/LS-Research/450-0037/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuz9EkqwWgEDcRrleT5ZvLr
Jan 06 16:35:57 <CanyonMan> that's the module
Jan 06 16:35:58 <Mojito> considering how tiny a wifi and BT chip is....
Jan 06 16:36:25 <CanyonMan> or is it
Jan 06 16:36:28 <CanyonMan> yeah taht's the one.
Jan 06 16:36:40 <av500> thats the module on the panda
Jan 06 16:36:45 <CanyonMan> That one does synchronization between the bluetooth and the 802.11 radio as well, so you can operate both of them simultaneously without interfering.
Jan 06 16:36:45 <jwinnebeck> look at that, 32.55 in quantity 1
Jan 06 16:36:55 <jwinnebeck> A normal person can buy that
Jan 06 16:36:56 <CanyonMan> I don't know what a panda is, except the kind that eats bamboo
Jan 06 16:37:04 <av500> pandaboard.org
Jan 06 16:37:22 <CanyonMan> ah ok
Jan 06 16:37:27 <jwinnebeck> waho!
Jan 06 16:37:32 <jwinnebeck> there is an ICS build for panda
Jan 06 16:37:43 <jwinnebeck> "PandaBoard is the only open community board supported 'out of the box' by Android 4.0" -- http://pandaboard.org/
Jan 06 16:37:46 <av500> yes, since day one
Jan 06 16:37:54 <av500> since google developed on the panda :)
Jan 06 16:37:55 <CanyonMan> pandaboard = a lot for $179.
Jan 06 16:37:59 <CanyonMan> i mean, it's a nice board for that.
Jan 06 16:38:01 <jwinnebeck> wow it is $179
Jan 06 16:38:16 <jwinnebeck> the bone with a cape will get near that
Jan 06 16:38:26 <av500> panda is subsidized
Jan 06 16:38:32 <jwinnebeck> What about the bone?
Jan 06 16:38:33 <av500> the real BOM is more like $250
Jan 06 16:38:40 <av500> the bone is not
Jan 06 16:38:43 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 16:38:43 <CanyonMan> oh geeze
Jan 06 16:38:44 <av500> neither is the beagle
Jan 06 16:38:52 <CanyonMan> so an OMAP44X has M3s in it instead of PRUs ?
Jan 06 16:39:02 <av500> in a way yes
Jan 06 16:39:06 <jwinnebeck> Yeah if one makes a product out of this... one cannot buy the panda
Jan 06 16:39:14 <av500> the m3s are to handle the ISP and the IVAHD
Jan 06 16:39:38 <CanyonMan> oh so on that particular board they aren't really usable for other stuff
Jan 06 16:39:39 <CanyonMan> interesting.
Jan 06 16:39:54 <CanyonMan> I hope I'm not making a mistake doing PRU development.
Jan 06 16:40:02 <CanyonMan> In some ways I worry that I'm just locking myself into T.I.
Jan 06 16:40:16 <av500> I dont see a future for PRU
Jan 06 16:40:22 <CanyonMan> really
Jan 06 16:40:28 <CanyonMan> because?
Jan 06 16:40:35 <jwinnebeck> Is there a way to do real-time serial/gpio stuff without the PRUs?
Jan 06 16:40:36 <CanyonMan> it will be supplanted by M0/M3 ?
Jan 06 16:40:36 <av500> why not use some tiny arm core?
Jan 06 16:40:43 <CanyonMan> yeah
Jan 06 16:40:51 <av500> jwinnebeck: depends on your definition of realtime
Jan 06 16:41:14 <CanyonMan> I kind of know what you mean.  The PRU is pretty low power, and makes it easy to write extremely deterministic software
Jan 06 16:41:20 <av500> use neutrinos if you need surreal time
Jan 06 16:41:29 <jwinnebeck> protocol over RS485 where the framing is determined by the time between the bits
Jan 06 16:41:39 <CanyonMan> but you can accomplish the same thing in M0 or M3 if you're careful, and then you can transpose whatever you've developed to future platforms, if - as you say - PRU is kind of on its way out
Jan 06 16:42:24 <av500> CanyonMan: how did people handle that before PRU?
Jan 06 16:42:35 <Mojito> Maybe the PRU is there to compete with Arduino stuff
Jan 06 16:42:41 <av500> nah
Jan 06 16:42:45 <CanyonMan> no
Jan 06 16:42:51 <CanyonMan> the real reason the PRU is there is to reduce external hardware
Jan 06 16:43:17 <av500> PRU = probably reduce units 
Jan 06 16:43:39 <CanyonMan> i mean
Jan 06 16:43:56 <jwinnebeck> wait so if pandaboard does ICS
Jan 06 16:43:58 <jwinnebeck> and HDMI
Jan 06 16:44:06 <jwinnebeck> why should I not buy one and hook it up to my TV
Jan 06 16:44:10 <jwinnebeck> it has wifi too
Jan 06 16:44:12 <Mojito> If you start with a BeagleBone, then add all the extra stuff you need for wifi, etc, you may as well have started with a Panda in the first place
Jan 06 16:44:28 <jwinnebeck> and BT, maybe useful for keyboard...
Jan 06 16:44:34 <av500> yes
Jan 06 16:44:41 <av500> and it has XMBC starting to work
Jan 06 16:44:42 <CanyonMan> jwinnebeck: even at 9600bps, that's 104 uS per bit, if you need say 16x sampling then doing a software uart by bit banging with linux involved is not really practical in any sane way.   It's just too fast.
Jan 06 16:44:57 <CanyonMan> With the PRU you could do a bit banged UART at a few MHz fairly easily
Jan 06 16:44:59 <av500> why would you do a sw UART?
Jan 06 16:45:12 <CanyonMan> av500: specialized uarts
Jan 06 16:45:15 <jwinnebeck> CanyonMan: Linux can't service interrupts in 100uS?
Jan 06 16:45:29 <av500> who said linux btw?
Jan 06 16:45:34 <CanyonMan> I'm sure it can, but what's the latency
Jan 06 16:45:35 <av500> your M3 wont run linux
Jan 06 16:45:43 <CanyonMan> no no we're getting all confused here
Jan 06 16:45:43 <av500> or M0
Jan 06 16:45:53 <av500> CanyonMan: that can *never* happen :)
Jan 06 16:46:02 <CanyonMan> i thought he was asking about doing it in just the main CPU
Jan 06 16:46:09 <jwinnebeck> I mean I can use the panda as a settop box for browser and photos and crap
Jan 06 16:46:28 <av500> CanyonMan: even there you can do things, like use the FIQ outside of linux
Jan 06 16:46:30 <jwinnebeck> CanyonMan: yeah I meant using the sitara for it
Jan 06 16:46:38 <CanyonMan> I think an M0 or M3 core could do the same ething though.  You'll get more bang per MHz out of the PRU, but the PRU is limited to 200 MHz and it's its own screwy assembly language
Jan 06 16:46:48 <av500> its not set in stone that IRQs have to be handled by linux
Jan 06 16:46:56 <CanyonMan> yeah
Jan 06 16:47:17 <av500> we did IR receivers in linux by not handling it in linux
Jan 06 16:47:21 <CanyonMan> so I think the PRU is incredibly useful (if that wasn't clear).  I'm just bothered that it's really one-off
Jan 06 16:47:38 <CanyonMan> and any knowledge I gain doing things in PRU isn't very transferrable
Jan 06 16:48:03 <av500> well, since TI does not want people to use the PRU, it does not insprire confidence in its future
Jan 06 16:48:38 <CanyonMan> The other use case that T.I. advertizes for the PRU is to do power management functions... more sophisticated than just the PMIC.  But that's another job that could be handled easily by and m0 or m3 propertly tied into the main cpu
Jan 06 16:48:48 <CanyonMan> wel let me ask you this
Jan 06 16:48:53 <CanyonMan> PRUs came in with what, davinci right?
Jan 06 16:49:17 <CanyonMan> and all those application specific processors for things like cell phones.  So .... do OMAP based cell phones etc. make use of the PRU?  
Jan 06 16:49:39 <av500> ???
Jan 06 16:49:43 <av500> they dont have thr PRU
Jan 06 16:49:49 <av500> davinci has no PRU either
Jan 06 16:49:58 <CanyonMan> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jan 06 16:50:21 <av500> PRU was kept in a cellar in texas for most its life it seems to me
Jan 06 16:50:36 <CanyonMan> but this:  http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Programmable_Realtime_Unit_Subsystem     is not ...
Jan 06 16:50:40 <CanyonMan> that's not sitara specific
Jan 06 16:51:07 <av500> CanyonMan: I am sure TI had that on some CPUs...
Jan 06 16:51:07 <CanyonMan> and this would seem to indicate that at least some OMAPs had PRUs in them:  http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/PRU_Subsystem_Differences_Between_OMAPL1x8/AM18x_and_OMAP1x7/AM17x
Jan 06 16:51:14 <av500> ah these omaps
Jan 06 16:51:20 <av500> these are not OMAPs :)
Jan 06 16:51:34 <jwinnebeck> Well OK if you back up for a second, if you didn't use the PRU, what would you use to implement a custom UART?
Jan 06 16:51:44 <CanyonMan> I'd use external hardware
Jan 06 16:51:45 <av500> on a mobile phone?
Jan 06 16:51:56 <jwinnebeck> no on a sitara, like the beaglebone
Jan 06 16:52:06 <jwinnebeck> actually for development purposes, exactly the beaglebone
Jan 06 16:52:16 <av500> no idea
Jan 06 16:52:23 <av500> but: [17:49:00] <CanyonMan> and all those application specific processors for things like cell phones.  So .... do OMAP based cell phones etc. make use of the PRU?
Jan 06 16:52:30 <av500> is what I disputed
Jan 06 16:52:46 <CanyonMan> perhaps am OMAL-L1?? isn't a cell p hone omap, I dont' know hehe
Jan 06 16:52:58 <jwinnebeck> Well external hardware we have used in the past but it costs $200 just for that
Jan 06 16:53:04 <jwinnebeck> which is more than this whole system
Jan 06 16:53:11 <av500> CanyonMan: nope
Jan 06 16:53:23 <av500> CanyonMan: TI uses OMAP/DAVINCI as they see fit
Jan 06 16:53:32 <av500> there are davinci OMAPs and OMAP davincis
Jan 06 16:53:50 <CanyonMan> av500: is there some way that could be a little more confusing please
Jan 06 16:54:02 <av500> CanyonMan: ask TI, they have ways
Jan 06 17:05:56 <jwinnebeck> Man I can't believe I didn't know about that panda, av500, I have to seriously hold myself back from that one :)
Jan 06 17:06:08 <jwinnebeck> I just saw the video the guy is running ICS on his TV with it
Jan 06 17:06:41 <jwinnebeck> I've was looking at things a lot more expensive than this to do the same
Jan 06 17:06:59 <CanyonMan> av500: the thing about this uart is that it has to implement some funky timing requirements to detect message boundaries; on the transmit side it has to implement a collision avoidance and detection algorithm (multi-drop shared bus); and there's error detection that's beyond simple "framing error" type things
Jan 06 17:07:02 <jwinnebeck> I mean just to use, not just for dev
Jan 06 17:07:23 <CanyonMan> and since we can detect message boundaries, it's actually helpful to deliver complete messages to the main CPU rather than individual bytes (or blocks of bytes)
Jan 06 17:08:57 <CanyonMan> some fo their demos for pru are weird.  like building a delay line so you can make an audio reverb out of it
Jan 06 17:27:12 <_av500_> CanyonMan: im not saying pru is bad
Jan 06 17:27:33 <CanyonMan> are you saying it's a dead end?
Jan 06 17:40:13 <woglinde> hm hm why it builds stuff from qcom
Jan 06 18:04:15 <_av500_> woglinde: android is the new make world
Jan 06 18:06:24 <woglinde> yeah yeah older stuff
Jan 06 18:06:42 * woglinde wonders about the 445th libgrallocs
Jan 06 18:25:24 <jsabeaudry> I am having trouble deciding between TI SDK, Angstrom and Arago as I am not really familiar with any of them. Anyone aware of a resource comparing the most popular OSes on the beagle?
Jan 06 18:29:58 <mdp> Arago builds TI SDK…there are only two distros then in your list
Jan 06 18:30:01 <denix> jsabeaudry: TI SDK is what Arago produces, where beagle is not the main supported platform.
Jan 06 18:30:47 <mdp> beagleboard xm *is* an officially supported platform in the TI SDK
Jan 06 18:31:01 <mdp> whatever that means :)
Jan 06 18:31:40 <denix> I didn't say it's not supported, I said it's not a primary platform
Jan 06 18:31:55 <mdp> we have a primary platform?
Jan 06 18:32:46 <denix> I'd say beagle is a primary for angstrom :)
Jan 06 18:32:48 <woglinde_> lol how the hell somebody checks that unnoticed in
Jan 06 18:32:51 <woglinde_> 　　　　　　<intent-filter>
Jan 06 18:33:49 <woglinde_> all this nice android hackers
Jan 06 18:34:52 <mdp> denix, beagleboard xm gets the exact same testing as all the other platform…though it doesn't have to have working PM to be released
Jan 06 18:35:32 <denix> jsabeaudry: anyway, Arago serves needs of TI SDK, which has some specific requirements of being a showcase for TI EVM platforms
Jan 06 18:36:32 <mdp> and angstrom better serves the needs of community-oriented people
Jan 06 18:37:03 * woglinde_ wonders if mdp and denix works together
Jan 06 18:37:19 <denix> mdp: I am not arguing with you :) Yes, beagle is supported, among other platforms :)
Jan 06 18:37:27 <mdp> aha!!! :P
Jan 06 18:37:28 <denix> woglinde_: yes, we do
Jan 06 18:38:59 <vexorg> im trying to build an image on angstrom, but it is failing with this message:
Jan 06 18:39:04 <vexorg> ERROR: Function 'Fetcher failure for URL:
Jan 06 18:39:04 <vexorg> 'ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/ca-certificates/ca-certificates_20111025.tar.gz'.
Jan 06 18:39:04 <vexorg> Checksum mismatch!
Jan 06 18:39:12 <vexorg> however, if i go to ftp.debian.org
Jan 06 18:39:24 <vexorg> the ca-certificates in that dir is newer
Jan 06 18:39:35 <mdp> jsabeaudry, you should start with angstrom on beagle, imho
Jan 06 18:39:43 <vexorg> -rw-rw-r--    1 1176     1176       277937 Dec 14 19:47
Jan 06 18:39:43 <vexorg> ca-certificates_20111211.tar.gz
Jan 06 18:39:54 <vexorg> there isnt a ca-certificates_20111025.tar.gz in that dir
Jan 06 18:40:18 <vexorg> can i just use the newer one and change the md5sum in the .bb file?
Jan 06 18:40:29 <vexorg> im fairly new to angstrom and recipes
Jan 06 18:40:57 <woglinde_> vexorg yes thats the way to go
Jan 06 18:41:03 <vexorg> ok cool
Jan 06 18:41:07 <vexorg> thanks for the help
Jan 06 18:41:47 <woglinde_> hm or wait
Jan 06 18:41:53 <woglinde_> way to go is to upgrade the recipe
Jan 06 18:41:53 * vexorg waits
Jan 06 18:41:58 <woglinde_> ;)
Jan 06 18:42:04 <woglinde_> but thats straight forwared
Jan 06 18:42:17 <vexorg> how would i do that?
Jan 06 18:43:02 <woglinde_> copy the old recipe to the new recipe
Jan 06 18:43:12 <woglinde_> just change the ending to the right
Jan 06 18:43:19 <woglinde_> and update md5sums
Jan 06 18:44:28 <vexorg> is that so that it wont break builds when future updates come down?
Jan 06 18:51:01 <woglinde_> vexorg you should nicely subscripe to oe-dev or oe-core
Jan 06 18:51:05 <woglinde_> and post your patch
Jan 06 18:51:24 <woglinde_> and heck yes we need to trim bitbake to check if the file is still under the url
Jan 06 19:00:58 <vexorg> ok, ill subscribe and check them out
Jan 06 19:01:27 <vexorg> im just very tentative to post a patch, id be very nervous to make a mistake and cause others problems
Jan 06 19:17:20 <jsabeaudry> mdp, denix: Thanks for the input, I'll continue on Angstrom
Jan 06 19:22:59 <woglinde_> vexorg dont be shy patch will get review and usefull comments (I hope)
Jan 06 19:28:50 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: I had the same problem as you
Jan 06 19:29:06 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: I think I've settled on angstrom. I didn't get it at first because it didn't boot up for me with DHCP
Jan 06 19:29:19 <jwinnebeck> But it looked like the most recent of them
Jan 06 19:29:33 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: oh ya the bug from 12-13 to 12-26 approximately
Jan 06 19:29:41 <jwinnebeck> Although I have USB problems with that version that I didn't have with the older TI SDK 5.03.00 but 5.03.00 had more problems
Jan 06 19:30:38 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: What build are you using? I was using the TI SDK and what it built from source, but I found Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone.rootfs.tar.bz2                 16-Nov-2011 18:46   12M   to be better
Jan 06 19:30:48 <jwinnebeck> Which is what I am using now
Jan 06 19:31:04 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Have you given a run to Android or Ubuntu? So many distributions to choose from!
Jan 06 19:31:23 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: I'm running headless on beaglebone so I'm not interested in those
Jan 06 19:31:50 <jwinnebeck> ACtually I was trying to figure out how to get rid of all of the stuff from the full image, so I found that "rootfs"
Jan 06 19:32:05 <jwinnebeck> which has very similar functionality to the "rootfs" from the TI SDK
Jan 06 19:32:07 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Right now I'm using the cloud9 demo image from 12-26
Jan 06 19:32:19 <jwinnebeck> Yeah that one is called "2011.12" the rootfs is 2011.11
Jan 06 19:32:25 <jwinnebeck> Are you on bone or original beagle or XM?
Jan 06 19:32:36 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: On the bone
Jan 06 19:32:49 <jwinnebeck> Yeah
Jan 06 19:33:05 <jwinnebeck> I'm using the u-boot and MLO from the TI SDK though I couldn't download them from the http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html page
Jan 06 19:33:12 <jwinnebeck> That might have been why DHCP didn't work
Jan 06 19:33:21 <jwinnebeck> I had to set up a uEnv.txt with ip_option=dhcp to get it
Jan 06 19:33:37 <jwinnebeck> I should quantify "didn't work" I mean that it didn't come up in boot I had to go in with serial console and do it
Jan 06 19:33:40 <jwinnebeck> dropbear still doesn't start
Jan 06 19:33:51 <jwinnebeck> But I haven't heard of systemd until 2 days ago
Jan 06 19:34:07 <jwinnebeck> And the TI SDK image was sysvinit
Jan 06 19:34:12 <jsabeaudry> I'm currently setting up my system to build angstrom so that I can configure everything. Even on the lastest image I found I2C1 is not enabled
Jan 06 19:34:36 <jwinnebeck> I haven't checked on hardware yet, do you know if dcan and such works on the angstrom kernel?
Jan 06 19:34:48 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Yes I encoutered the same dhcp problem as you did, basically the eth0 interface was not up
Jan 06 19:34:51 <jwinnebeck> It's the newest of the 3 I've tried though... except it's called "3.1.0+" whatever that means
Jan 06 19:35:10 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: Well mine comes up but there is a script busybox-udhcpc
Jan 06 19:35:20 <jwinnebeck> and for some reason it greps /proc/cmdline for "ip=dhcp"
Jan 06 19:35:27 <jwinnebeck> and if it doesn't see it, it doesn't run at all
Jan 06 19:35:40 <jwinnebeck> But ip=dhcp makes the kernel I'm using not boot until dhcp comes up
Jan 06 19:35:52 <jwinnebeck> So it's a stopgap measure for me until I can learn systemd enough to make my own scripts
Jan 06 19:37:16 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: hopefully in a few days I get learn enough to understand all that stuff, I played around with linux before but never so deep
Jan 06 19:37:17 <jwinnebeck> I mean obviously I can run dhcp manually when it boots but not very useful unless you have serial console :)
Jan 06 19:37:35 <jwinnebeck> I know more about Linux than I care to
Jan 06 19:37:47 <jwinnebeck> I've done a lot of embedded stuff, but with ubuntu
Jan 06 19:38:01 <jwinnebeck> queue the people who say it's not embedded because it's ubuntu and x86
Jan 06 19:38:07 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Have you written drivers?
Jan 06 19:38:10 <jwinnebeck> ... get over it everyone :)
Jan 06 19:38:27 <jwinnebeck> No that's the part I don't know, one of my co-workers knows that
Jan 06 19:38:47 <jwinnebeck> But I've built a few custom distributions from nothing
Jan 06 19:38:55 <jwinnebeck> and I know way more about dpkg/apt than I care to
Jan 06 19:39:14 <jwinnebeck> Since I ended up having to make something like 20+ debs
Jan 06 19:40:00 <jwinnebeck> But in that case we were using ubuntu-minimal as a base and built from there. The other systems I've worked with were just kernel + busybox, which is annoying
Jan 06 19:40:04 <jwinnebeck> because you have to build everything youself
Jan 06 19:40:24 <jwinnebeck> at least busybox gives you a ton of stuff, I mean try to find the source for "top" "ps"
Jan 06 19:40:56 <jwinnebeck> there's so many utilities when you think about it
Jan 06 19:41:39 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Do you think it would be easier for a beginner to start from some demo image and strip it down or build himself?
Jan 06 19:41:41 <CanyonMan> busybox's 'top' and 'ps' make me angry because they are so lame
Jan 06 19:41:43 <jwinnebeck> My goal with the angstrom is to start from a minimal thing and then get just the ipkgs I want then make my own for my own software
Jan 06 19:41:51 <CanyonMan> on that linuxsdk image i installed procps so I could have at least a top that doesn't suck
Jan 06 19:42:09 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: It depends on what you want to do, and what you care about (i..e space/boot time/etc)
Jan 06 19:42:23 <jwinnebeck> IF the Cloud9 is like the full TI SDK one...
Jan 06 19:42:27 <woglinde_> CanyonMan install htop
Jan 06 19:42:31 <jwinnebeck> I mean the full TI SDK one has PHP and it starts 2 web servers on it
Jan 06 19:42:32 <CanyonMan> busybox is a really great bundle of a lot of crappy applications
Jan 06 19:42:37 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: yeah we are using htop now
Jan 06 19:42:47 <jwinnebeck> CanyonMan: you are out of date, the angstrom has htop in it :)
Jan 06 19:42:49 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Same thing with Cloud9 except i think its 3 web servers
Jan 06 19:42:50 <CanyonMan> woglinde_: yeah?
Jan 06 19:42:50 <woglinde_> CanyonMan its small and does it think
Jan 06 19:42:54 <jwinnebeck> CanyonMan: if you haven't used it, it's awesome
Jan 06 19:43:01 <CanyonMan> i have NOT used it, but now I will
Jan 06 19:43:14 <jwinnebeck> CanyonMan: it's on our bone right now, SSH is up
Jan 06 19:43:36 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: Yeah that's why I started with the Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone.rootfs.tar.bz2
Jan 06 19:43:42 <woglinde_> hm looks like openjdk is not enough for android
Jan 06 19:43:44 <CanyonMan> oh HELLO color curses
Jan 06 19:43:45 <jwinnebeck> But even that has more things on it than I want
Jan 06 19:44:00 <jwinnebeck> However, it's not starting a zillion services
Jan 06 19:44:18 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: so I would start with that if you can. It has opkg set up so you can opkg install what you want
Jan 06 19:44:23 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck start gnome and you have zillion services
Jan 06 19:44:25 <CanyonMan> we can just superglue our usb device in so it can't be removed. ever.
Jan 06 19:44:54 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: well I don't have a display so I don't need gnome :)
Jan 06 19:45:03 <jwinnebeck> All I want is dropbear (or openssh)!
Jan 06 19:45:22 <woglinde_> dropbear is default
Jan 06 19:45:32 <woglinde_> nearly on all images and distro which uses oe
Jan 06 19:45:34 <jwinnebeck> But the rootfs isn't booting cleanly for me
Jan 06 19:45:42 <jwinnebeck> Well that's nice, dropbear doesn't come up for me right now
Jan 06 19:45:51 <woglinde_> hm why?
Jan 06 19:45:51 <jwinnebeck> I just need to learn systemd that's all
Jan 06 19:46:02 <woglinde_> its not hard
Jan 06 19:46:04 <woglinde_> systemd
Jan 06 19:46:15 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: I JUST learned about systemd's existance 2 days ago but I think it's because dropbear is not in multi-user.target.wants
Jan 06 19:46:23 <jwinnebeck> I have to systemctl start dropbear.socket
Jan 06 19:46:32 <jwinnebeck> then I can connect
Jan 06 19:46:36 <woglinde_> hm that makes me wonder
Jan 06 19:46:43 <jwinnebeck> But it complains
Jan 06 19:46:46 <jwinnebeck> about configure.service not existing
Jan 06 19:47:09 <woglinde_> does /etc/int.d/dropbear start not work?
Jan 06 19:47:22 <jwinnebeck> That does but it runs dropbear daemon
Jan 06 19:47:28 <jwinnebeck> it doesn't run it via systemd
Jan 06 19:47:31 <woglinde_> yes
Jan 06 19:47:31 <jwinnebeck> at least I don't think so
Jan 06 19:47:36 <jwinnebeck> and yes that does work
Jan 06 19:47:42 <jwinnebeck> that's what I did until I realized that's the wrong way
Jan 06 19:47:42 <woglinde_> you want dropbear
Jan 06 19:47:48 <woglinde_> no
Jan 06 19:47:51 <jwinnebeck> because systemd is The Way Of The Future so
Jan 06 19:47:55 <woglinde_> when no systemd file is there
Jan 06 19:47:56 <jwinnebeck> I wanted to start dropbear.socket
Jan 06 19:48:06 <woglinde_> it should use old sysv style
Jan 06 19:48:08 <woglinde_> hm hm
Jan 06 19:48:14 <jwinnebeck> systemd is on this image...
Jan 06 19:48:20 <jwinnebeck> I read about it, it sounds cool
Jan 06 19:48:25 <jwinnebeck> I have only worked with upstart and sysvinit
Jan 06 19:48:25 <woglinde_> o.O
Jan 06 19:48:31 <jwinnebeck> I didn't know there was something else
Jan 06 19:48:33 <vexorg> woglinde_, updated the recipe and it worked!  thanks for your help :)
Jan 06 19:48:42 <woglinde_> vexorg fine
Jan 06 19:48:55 <vexorg> also subscribed to oe-core, will lurk for a while to learn how others post first
Jan 06 19:49:25 <woglinde_> read the archive
Jan 06 19:49:31 <woglinde_> use proper git-format
Jan 06 19:49:40 <woglinde_> and dont forget signed-off
Jan 06 19:49:49 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: there is a file /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/dropbear.socket
Jan 06 19:49:53 <jwinnebeck> that's a symlink
Jan 06 19:49:58 <jwinnebeck> Not sure why that means dropbear doesn't start
Jan 06 19:50:26 <jwinnebeck> I haven't found what the "starting place" is for systemd
Jan 06 19:50:27 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck sure because koen made sure that a sshd is working
Jan 06 19:50:32 <jwinnebeck> like how do I know what target is run on boot?
Jan 06 19:50:42 <woglinde_> so I wonder why it dont start up
Jan 06 19:50:46 <jwinnebeck> Not sure
Jan 06 19:50:53 <woglinde_> try to remove this symlink
Jan 06 19:51:02 <woglinde_> and systemd will use the sysvinit script
Jan 06 19:51:05 <jwinnebeck> I see messages on serial console when I boot about dropbear
Jan 06 19:51:13 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 19:51:23 <jwinnebeck> I also had to run dropbearkey.service manuall ytoo
Jan 06 19:51:39 <jwinnebeck> But I am using rootfs 2011.11
Jan 06 19:51:43 <jwinnebeck> there is a Cloud9 2011.12
Jan 06 19:51:46 <jwinnebeck> is there a newer rootfs?
Jan 06 19:52:03 <jwinnebeck> If I "bitbake systemd-image" does that build me taht rootfs.tgz?
Jan 06 19:53:16 <woglinde_> for the bone?
Jan 06 19:53:26 <woglinde_> hi tartarus
Jan 06 19:53:29 <Tartarus> hey woglinde_
Jan 06 19:53:40 <Tartarus> forgot to jump back in here when znc died :)
Jan 06 19:53:41 <jwinnebeck> Yeah, like you asid you expected it to work, so do I... I wanted to double check that I'm using the latest image
Jan 06 19:54:56 <woglinde_> than use the cloud9 image
Jan 06 19:56:48 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: I could but I don't need to start 500 services, I suppose I could try it just for comparison purposes
Jan 06 19:57:19 <jwinnebeck> it looked like better to start with rootfs and build up than try to figure out how to remove a bunch of stuff
Jan 06 19:57:55 <jwinnebeck> I tried that on the TI SDK 5.03.01 image and opkg segfaulted on me then the opkg repository got corrupted and I was wedged; no install or uninstall
Jan 06 19:58:32 <jwinnebeck> Boot time is a important thing for me, if I can boot under 10 seconds it is good, under 5 and it is awesome
Jan 06 19:58:48 <jwinnebeck> it looks very possible, there are a few werid hangs in the boot process
Jan 06 19:59:05 <jwinnebeck> the rootfs takes sometimes over a minute to boot
Jan 06 19:59:06 <jwinnebeck> not sure why
Jan 06 19:59:40 <jwinnebeck> kernel boots in something like 1.5 seconds though which is awesome, I should need more than a few seconds past that
Jan 06 19:59:45 <jwinnebeck> shouldn't need more I mean
Jan 06 20:00:20 <dalton> Hello... I am trying to create a development environment for angstrom, in my ubuntu... so, I cloned: git clone git://git.angstrom-distribution.org/setup-scripts... and ran these commands: ./oebb.sh config beagleboard, ./oebb.sh update and ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel
Jan 06 20:00:49 <woglinde_> dalton yes
Jan 06 20:00:57 <dalton> does have any way of see if the installation is ok?
Jan 06 20:01:18 <Tartarus> jwinnebeck: probably takes long on an unclean restart and journal gets replayed, etc
Jan 06 20:01:19 <woglinde_> if no error occurs the final image should be okay
Jan 06 20:01:41 <woglinde_> its located under build/tmp-yourfooarch/deploy/images
Jan 06 20:01:48 <woglinde_> ah
Jan 06 20:01:50 <woglinde_> sorry
Jan 06 20:01:52 <woglinde_> only kernel
Jan 06 20:01:58 <woglinde_> but kernel will land there too
Jan 06 20:02:08 <woglinde_> hms
Jan 06 20:02:22 <woglinde_> how do I make clean for subfolder in android
Jan 06 20:04:52 <dalton> woglinde_, can you tell me, please, what I need to develop, in ubuntu, for angstrom in beagleboard, besides the commands I said/ran?
Jan 06 20:06:00 <woglinde_> dalton I can not tell you what to develop
Jan 06 20:06:18 <woglinde_> what you want to develop is your own ideas
Jan 06 20:06:30 <dalton> sorry
Jan 06 20:06:32 <woglinde_> I can help you when something dont works as expected
Jan 06 20:06:42 <dalton> I did not express me well
Jan 06 20:07:32 <jwinnebeck> Tartarus: there seems to be a 30 second pause after the rootfs is mounted and systemd is already running, but it's possible yes.
Jan 06 20:08:17 <dalton> I know what I have to develop... =) the right question was: can you tell me what is needed for development in that environments? did you understand me now? ( I was not clear before)
Jan 06 20:08:18 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck hm than read lennards blog posts about systemd
Jan 06 20:08:50 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck and watch koen's talk on booting under 2seconds to console with systemd from elce
Jan 06 20:09:02 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: Only I've read so far is http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html and also some of systemd man pages
Jan 06 20:09:38 <dalton> I will have to read some data from sensors, through serial or usb port, at beagleboard... but I dont know how to develop, because I dont have experience and I dont know some sdk (like adb for android and its plugin for eclipse)
Jan 06 20:09:41 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: I do want to see that talk... I don't know who koen is or elce but I will try google
Jan 06 20:09:51 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck -> http://free-electrons.com/blog/elce-2011-videos/
Jan 06 20:09:52 <jwinnebeck> dalton: what language?
Jan 06 20:09:55 <woglinde_> search for koen
Jan 06 20:10:10 <jwinnebeck> dalton: I'll probably be booted from this channel but I am using Java
Jan 06 20:10:13 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck without koen you proably wouldnt have systemd on your bone
Jan 06 20:10:28 <dalton> for angstrom?
Jan 06 20:10:36 <woglinde_> and without me you wouldnt have java for your bone
Jan 06 20:10:44 <jwinnebeck> Well I'm using Oracle Java
Jan 06 20:10:48 <jwinnebeck> is there working open source Java
Jan 06 20:10:56 <woglinde_> sure openjdk
Jan 06 20:11:07 <jwinnebeck> our software is Java which has restricted us for a long time to x86 "embedded"
Jan 06 20:11:31 <jwinnebeck> Well but we tried to get openjdk + zerovm working in ubuntu arm and it was a disaster
Jan 06 20:11:34 <jwinnebeck> just crashes
Jan 06 20:11:39 <woglinde_> hehe
Jan 06 20:11:44 <jwinnebeck> Without JIT, it is useless to run our software
Jan 06 20:11:49 <jwinnebeck> Is SharkVM working?
Jan 06 20:11:50 <woglinde_> hm
Jan 06 20:11:52 <dalton> the problem is that  my experience is in high level... so low level for me its complicated... I think that for development with angstrom I will use C, right?
Jan 06 20:12:05 <woglinde_> you could hire me over my company
Jan 06 20:12:06 <woglinde_> haha
Jan 06 20:12:09 <jwinnebeck> dalton: Well you can use just about anoything. Heck my bone came with friggin PHP on it
Jan 06 20:12:14 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Interesting, have you looked into faster load times for the JVM? I was interested in targetting it 
Jan 06 20:12:17 <jwinnebeck> I almost cried
Jan 06 20:12:28 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck I could help you getting it run to do some evals
Jan 06 20:12:34 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: We are thinking about adding some NVRAM so that it loads faster
Jan 06 20:12:35 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: unfortunately load times on Java is pointless
Jan 06 20:13:03 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: How is system boot time pointless?
Jan 06 20:13:15 <jwinnebeck> What I mean is that Java starts too slow without AOT and even then slow
Jan 06 20:13:17 <jwinnebeck> so my idea
Jan 06 20:13:19 <woglinde_> bah stupid android
Jan 06 20:13:20 <jwinnebeck> ARM is low power
Jan 06 20:13:30 <jwinnebeck> The best x86 system we've gotten is like 10W
Jan 06 20:13:32 <woglinde_> even with oracle jdk it dont get its right
Jan 06 20:13:42 <jwinnebeck> this bone it uses about 2.5-3W
Jan 06 20:13:52 <jwinnebeck> it may be low power enough to never shut it down ever
Jan 06 20:13:55 <jwinnebeck> then there is no boots
Jan 06 20:14:09 <jwinnebeck> but kernel for bone doesn't support CPU freq or suspend to RAM but TI says "planned"
Jan 06 20:14:21 <jwinnebeck> I hope it comes, becaue suspend to RAM is the holy grail for me
Jan 06 20:14:23 <jwinnebeck> I think
Jan 06 20:14:29 <mdp> RSN
Jan 06 20:14:35 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Yes but for development I still wait 50 seconds everytime I start a jvm....
Jan 06 20:14:46 <dalton> woglinde_, but... to read data from sensors through serial/usb port at beagleboard, maybe its better to program in low level with C (I dont have experience with this), right? Or do you suggest me another language?
Jan 06 20:14:46 <jwinnebeck> Well develop on desktop :)
Jan 06 20:14:57 <jwinnebeck> dalton: what sensors...?
Jan 06 20:15:15 <jwinnebeck> dalton: I do monitoring software in JAva
Jan 06 20:15:28 <woglinde_> dalton depends on the sensors
Jan 06 20:15:32 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: What do you use to call ioctl?
Jan 06 20:15:46 <woglinde_> koen and jkdridner even use javascript to do it
Jan 06 20:15:48 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: C code, but you can get around it
Jan 06 20:15:57 <jwinnebeck> I mean we know C, we can do C if we have to
Jan 06 20:16:02 <jwinnebeck> you might need C
Jan 06 20:16:03 <ds2> JNI baby
Jan 06 20:16:05 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: You call your C Libs using JNI?
Jan 06 20:16:20 <ds2> rub the java mug so you can make wishes to the JNI
Jan 06 20:16:27 <jwinnebeck> Well currently we have a daemon that runs in C that provides a socket
Jan 06 20:16:41 <jwinnebeck> also there are some drivers that have a /dev/ interface that is text
Jan 06 20:16:45 <woglinde_> jsabeaudry java can open files
Jan 06 20:16:45 <jwinnebeck> in that case you can use Java directly
Jan 06 20:16:48 <jwinnebeck> for example
Jan 06 20:16:53 <woglinde_> so you can open all files in /sys
Jan 06 20:16:57 <jsabeaudry> ah yes god bless sysfs drivers!
Jan 06 20:16:59 <woglinde_> and read stuff yourself
Jan 06 20:17:04 <jwinnebeck> Yeah you can do a lot with "text" files
Jan 06 20:17:05 <ds2> just have a JNI setup that loads a .so file and calls main ;)
Jan 06 20:17:20 <woglinde_> ds2 even use jna
Jan 06 20:17:22 <jwinnebeck> Or one can use JNA
Jan 06 20:17:22 <ds2> instant java program ;)
Jan 06 20:17:32 <woglinde_> good
Jan 06 20:17:42 <jwinnebeck> Anyway, yes we do native code but this program runs x86 embedded and x86 desktop and also hopefulyl arm
Jan 06 20:17:45 <jsabeaudry> But JNA is slow, or so I've heard?
Jan 06 20:17:47 <jwinnebeck> actually my program already is running on ARM now
Jan 06 20:17:51 <jwinnebeck> because java runs on bone
Jan 06 20:17:53 <jwinnebeck> so my program runs on bone
Jan 06 20:17:55 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck so are you intrested in getting your program run under bone?
Jan 06 20:17:59 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I am
Jan 06 20:18:04 <jwinnebeck> very much
Jan 06 20:18:20 <dalton> jwinnebeck: like density and acidity... I have to get the data and send them to a server... 
Jan 06 20:18:23 <woglinde_> okay dont know yet if koen builds packages for the bone too
Jan 06 20:18:35 <jwinnebeck> We've tried like every year to run on ARM and it hasn't worked
Jan 06 20:18:41 <jwinnebeck> but Oracle has J2SE now for ARM
Jan 06 20:18:47 <jwinnebeck> and it actually runs really well
Jan 06 20:18:52 <jwinnebeck> I'm running <10% CPU
Jan 06 20:18:54 <woglinde_> ah okay
Jan 06 20:18:54 <jwinnebeck> on the bone!
Jan 06 20:18:57 <jwinnebeck> But
Jan 06 20:19:04 <jwinnebeck> it costs $ of course
Jan 06 20:19:07 <woglinde_> how the hell it runs under bone
Jan 06 20:19:09 <jwinnebeck> But it's worth it
Jan 06 20:19:14 <jwinnebeck> what do you mean how does it run
Jan 06 20:19:18 <ds2> the j2se for ARM licensing from oracle blows
Jan 06 20:19:20 <jwinnebeck> it's a C program compiled for armv7a
Jan 06 20:19:35 <dalton> can you suggest me some tutorials about development (hands on) with angstrom? 
Jan 06 20:19:35 <jwinnebeck> Well we're about to talk to Oracle next week on that... maybe we find it is bad
Jan 06 20:19:37 <woglinde_> sure but not with the oe/angstroem toolchain
Jan 06 20:19:44 <jwinnebeck> Well it runs
Jan 06 20:19:49 <jwinnebeck> It was the first thing I did
Jan 06 20:19:50 <ds2> they want royalties for everything
Jan 06 20:19:52 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck okay try the following
Jan 06 20:20:00 <jwinnebeck> If this doesn't run Java, the bone is uselss to me
Jan 06 20:20:05 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck install the cloud9 image
Jan 06 20:20:07 <jwinnebeck> the ONLY thing I want to do is run a JVM
Jan 06 20:20:10 <woglinde_> opkg update
Jan 06 20:20:13 <ds2> jwinnebeck: consider gcj?
Jan 06 20:20:21 <woglinde_> opkg list | grep openjdk
Jan 06 20:20:35 <woglinde_> opkg install openjdk stuff
Jan 06 20:20:36 <jwinnebeck> gcj is classpath I was hoping when openjdk happened that they would get it with gcj
Jan 06 20:20:40 <jwinnebeck> gcj is good for nothing
Jan 06 20:20:46 <ds2> gcj compile to native code
Jan 06 20:20:48 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: I am running my own angstrom is that OK?
Jan 06 20:20:56 <jwinnebeck> I do have opkg working
Jan 06 20:21:08 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck you need the official angstroem mirrors
Jan 06 20:21:30 <woglinde_> but dont know if koen put the ipkg's already there
Jan 06 20:21:31 <jwinnebeck> I'm using http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/core/ipk/eglibc/armv7a/base for example
Jan 06 20:21:36 <jwinnebeck> I did opkg list
Jan 06 20:21:42 <jwinnebeck> no openjdk... but I forgot update!!!
Jan 06 20:21:43 <jwinnebeck> let me try
Jan 06 20:21:52 <jsabeaudry> ya its called openjdk6-jdk
Jan 06 20:22:05 <jwinnebeck> it is there!
Jan 06 20:22:05 <woglinde_> otherwise set up a devevn with setup-script
Jan 06 20:22:10 <woglinde_> okay try it
Jan 06 20:22:14 <jwinnebeck> Which VM?
Jan 06 20:22:17 <jwinnebeck> does shark actually work
Jan 06 20:22:19 <woglinde_> install all
Jan 06 20:22:20 <jwinnebeck> if it does, that's what I want
Jan 06 20:22:21 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 20:22:31 <woglinde_> proably not
Jan 06 20:22:38 <woglinde_> but we are working on it
Jan 06 20:22:45 <woglinde_> you can choose the vm
Jan 06 20:22:52 <jwinnebeck> OK
Jan 06 20:22:56 <jwinnebeck> I have run openjdk on android
Jan 06 20:22:58 <jwinnebeck> it didn't go well
Jan 06 20:23:10 <woglinde_> with java -server == zero , java -shark, java -cacao or java -jamvm
Jan 06 20:23:11 <jwinnebeck> that was from ubuntu chroot on android
Jan 06 20:23:15 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 20:23:45 <woglinde_>  cacao was fast
Jan 06 20:23:52 <jwinnebeck> I love Java
Jan 06 20:23:53 <woglinde_> but maybee works not with all apps
Jan 06 20:23:59 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I'll see
Jan 06 20:24:08 <woglinde_> haha and give me the money instead of oracle
Jan 06 20:24:21 <jwinnebeck> Yeah we're at the point we've given up and ready to pay $$$
Jan 06 20:24:27 <jwinnebeck> but we are a university
Jan 06 20:24:30 <woglinde_> oh
Jan 06 20:24:32 <woglinde_> okay
Jan 06 20:24:40 <woglinde_> thought was commercial
Jan 06 20:24:48 <jwinnebeck> But the product has been used in commerical and military
Jan 06 20:24:49 <woglinde_> okay bye me a beer
Jan 06 20:24:50 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: I hate java but I also want a JVM, before christmas I ran a complete clojure web stack on the bone, can't remember which vm it was
Jan 06 20:25:06 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck can you tell me what it is?
Jan 06 20:25:33 <woglinde_> a nice I get some feedback for my work
Jan 06 20:25:52 <jwinnebeck> http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/EmbeddedPlatformLogisticsSystem/index.html is older
Jan 06 20:26:04 <jsabeaudry> woglinde_: you are working on openjdk for arm?
Jan 06 20:26:36 <jwinnebeck> # java -version
Jan 06 20:26:36 <jwinnebeck> dl failure on line 696Error: failed /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/arm/shark/libjvm.so, because libLLVMARMCodeGen.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Jan 06 20:27:01 <jwinnebeck> java -version -zero works
Jan 06 20:27:10 <jwinnebeck> but I can't run just "java"
Jan 06 20:27:55 <jwinnebeck> Anyway we do research but the products get spun out
Jan 06 20:28:17 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck ah okay so its the older stuff
Jan 06 20:28:29 <woglinde_> I already fixed this in my overlay
Jan 06 20:28:32 <jwinnebeck> so it kind of sucks we have to pretend like we want to buy a million but don't actually have the power heh
Jan 06 20:28:47 <jwinnebeck> Well it's 6b18-1.8.11
Jan 06 20:29:06 <jwinnebeck> but I thknk opkg gave me the old one
Jan 06 20:29:12 <woglinde_> no
Jan 06 20:29:21 <woglinde_> koen didnt make newer packages yet
Jan 06 20:29:23 <jwinnebeck> I see 6b18-1.8.11-r11.0 and 6b18-1.8-r10.7.6
Jan 06 20:29:31 <jwinnebeck> but it didn't install the 1.8.11
Jan 06 20:29:40 <woglinde_> uhm
Jan 06 20:29:40 <jwinnebeck> is that the newer one?
Jan 06 20:29:43 <woglinde_> use the 1.8.11
Jan 06 20:29:49 <jwinnebeck> how? I did this:
Jan 06 20:29:53 <jwinnebeck> # opkg install openjdk-6-jre openjdk-6-vm-cacao openjdk-6-vm-shark openjdk-6-vm-zero
Jan 06 20:30:05 <jwinnebeck> when I did opkg list I saw 2 versions of each
Jan 06 20:30:19 <jwinnebeck> err wait a second let me double check
Jan 06 20:30:33 <jwinnebeck> I'm sorry I think I did get the 1.8.11
Jan 06 20:30:39 <woglinde_> yes
Jan 06 20:30:42 <woglinde_> try java -cacao
Jan 06 20:30:47 <woglinde_> and see if its working
Jan 06 20:30:57 <jwinnebeck> opkg list-installed | grep openjdk  ---> openjdk-6-jre - 6b18-1.8.11-r11.0 (and more)
Jan 06 20:31:08 <jwinnebeck> it does
Jan 06 20:31:12 <jwinnebeck> and so does java -zero
Jan 06 20:31:21 <jwinnebeck> cacao is JIT on some platforms?
Jan 06 20:31:42 <woglinde_> yes it has jit for arm
Jan 06 20:31:54 <jwinnebeck> I guess shark is default but is missing a so for some reason
Jan 06 20:32:00 <jwinnebeck> is that my fault or the package's?
Jan 06 20:32:04 <woglinde_> my fault
Jan 06 20:32:12 <jwinnebeck> let me try editing my launch script and run my app
Jan 06 20:32:18 <woglinde_> didnt fixed the linker option
Jan 06 20:32:22 <woglinde_> but its llvm2.9 anyway
Jan 06 20:32:25 <woglinde_> which dont works
Jan 06 20:32:57 <jwinnebeck> even if we run openjdk is it really possible to use it without paying to the Oracle overlords?
Jan 06 20:33:18 <woglinde_> yes
Jan 06 20:33:32 <woglinde_> look at the license
Jan 06 20:33:39 <jwinnebeck> Yeah it's GPL... But
Jan 06 20:33:47 <jwinnebeck> Oracle also says that the MySQL protocol is GPL
Jan 06 20:33:52 <woglinde_> oracle gave it out
Jan 06 20:33:55 <jwinnebeck> therefore it's not possible to build non-GPL software against it
Jan 06 20:34:04 <jwinnebeck> And they also sue Android
Jan 06 20:34:06 <jwinnebeck> which is BSD
Jan 06 20:34:09 <jwinnebeck> sorry
Jan 06 20:34:10 <jwinnebeck> Apache
Jan 06 20:34:26 <woglinde_> no the suit the java stuff google stole
Jan 06 20:34:37 <woglinde_> but I think oracle will not win
Jan 06 20:34:40 <jwinnebeck> Oracle says that a program that can use MySQL from Java must be GPL...
Jan 06 20:34:49 <jwinnebeck> so you have to pay them
Jan 06 20:34:56 <jwinnebeck> even though you don't even need mysql driver on classpath to compile
Jan 06 20:35:02 <woglinde_> whats wrong with GPL?
Jan 06 20:35:14 <jwinnebeck> We're not open source :\
Jan 06 20:35:21 <woglinde_> GPL dont says you have to give source everyone
Jan 06 20:35:30 <woglinde_> give the source to your customers and finde
Jan 06 20:35:33 <woglinde_> args fine
Jan 06 20:35:37 <jwinnebeck> just to people to who you distribute
Jan 06 20:35:37 <ds2> just avoid oracle stuff 
Jan 06 20:35:41 <ds2> easiest way
Jan 06 20:35:45 <jwinnebeck> I know
Jan 06 20:35:47 <jwinnebeck> well I'm not in charge
Jan 06 20:36:00 <ds2> or pay through the nose for one of the other independant vms
Jan 06 20:36:04 <jwinnebeck> personally I would rather be open source and sell our services
Jan 06 20:36:07 <jwinnebeck> but not my choice
Jan 06 20:36:23 <jwinnebeck> Yeah avoiding Oracle is what I want to do at all costs
Jan 06 20:36:32 <jwinnebeck> also why I want to ditch MySQL and never use it again
Jan 06 20:36:33 <ds2> the look at the other VMs
Jan 06 20:36:36 <jwinnebeck> Which I've already done
Jan 06 20:36:41 <jwinnebeck> Well I'm runnig zero now
Jan 06 20:36:43 <jwinnebeck> thanks to woglinde_
Jan 06 20:36:44 <woglinde_> I wouldnt use mysql at all
Jan 06 20:36:50 <jwinnebeck> I'm watching Java running now on bone
Jan 06 20:36:53 <jwinnebeck> with zero
Jan 06 20:36:58 <jwinnebeck> I am collecting data
Jan 06 20:36:59 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck I meant is your app running
Jan 06 20:37:03 <jwinnebeck> yes
Jan 06 20:37:05 <ds2> there is one that shows up at trade show for embedded stuff
Jan 06 20:37:05 <jwinnebeck> with zero
Jan 06 20:37:09 <woglinde_> thats what I am intressted in
Jan 06 20:37:10 <woglinde_> cool
Jan 06 20:37:12 <ds2> they give away orange pens but I can't remember their name
Jan 06 20:37:16 <woglinde_> and with cacao too?
Jan 06 20:37:21 <jwinnebeck> haven't tried cacao
Jan 06 20:37:27 <jwinnebeck> Do you need JSA with zero/caco?
Jan 06 20:37:35 <woglinde_> jsa?
Jan 06 20:37:37 <jwinnebeck> or is that hotspot only
Jan 06 20:37:54 <jwinnebeck> the classes.jsa you get from java -Xdump:shared
Jan 06 20:37:57 <woglinde_> zero is hotspot with java asm byte code
Jan 06 20:38:01 <jwinnebeck> it's like a precompiled rt.jar
Jan 06 20:38:07 <jwinnebeck> so you don't have to do classloading
Jan 06 20:38:10 <woglinde_> hm dont know offhand
Jan 06 20:38:14 <jwinnebeck> it was a feature in Sun Java 1.5+
Jan 06 20:38:25 <woglinde_> ah I think thats not working with cacao
Jan 06 20:38:32 <woglinde_> but I am not sure
Jan 06 20:38:35 <woglinde_> just measure
Jan 06 20:38:41 <jwinnebeck> 13% CPU
Jan 06 20:38:45 <woglinde_> but I bet oracle jdk will win
Jan 06 20:38:47 <jwinnebeck> that's not bad but slower than oracle
Jan 06 20:39:01 <jwinnebeck> hmm 24% now
Jan 06 20:39:05 <jwinnebeck> let me try cacao!
Jan 06 20:39:16 <jwinnebeck> still, look at the bone man 24% to run a Java program
Jan 06 20:39:29 <jwinnebeck> that's plenty fast enough
Jan 06 20:39:32 <woglinde_> thats not bad
Jan 06 20:40:30 <jwinnebeck> startup time 22s with zero
Jan 06 20:41:10 <woglinde_> hm thats not bad either for zero
Jan 06 20:41:21 <jwinnebeck> cacao crashes
Jan 06 20:41:36 <jwinnebeck> LOG: [0x454d2470] JVM_MaxObjectInspectionAge: IMPLEMENT ME!
Jan 06 20:41:44 <jwinnebeck> LOG: [0x4006a000] JVM_DumpThreads: IMPLEMENT ME!
Jan 06 20:41:54 <woglinde_> hm okay
Jan 06 20:41:58 <woglinde_> sorry
Jan 06 20:42:01 <jwinnebeck> yeah
Jan 06 20:42:03 <jwinnebeck> it's not your fault
Jan 06 20:42:09 <jwinnebeck> but it's similar to what I've seen before
Jan 06 20:42:13 <jwinnebeck> shark can't even run hello world
Jan 06 20:42:20 <woglinde_> it can
Jan 06 20:42:23 <woglinde_> with llvm 2.7
Jan 06 20:42:29 <jwinnebeck> zero runs but slowly... although this is a lot faster than I have seen in the past
Jan 06 20:42:34 <woglinde_> okay
Jan 06 20:42:37 <woglinde_> than try jamvm
Jan 06 20:42:38 <jwinnebeck> This is similar to what I saw in android
Jan 06 20:42:43 <jwinnebeck> Well zero might be good enough
Jan 06 20:43:03 <jwinnebeck> what is the story on jam
Jan 06 20:43:11 <woglinde_> I heard ubuntu choosed jamvm as vm on arm for next releases
Jan 06 20:43:43 <jwinnebeck> I don't see an openjdk-6-vm-jamvm
Jan 06 20:43:55 <jwinnebeck> oh I find it
Jan 06 20:44:02 <woglinde_> and there is some rumour google used a lot of stuff from jamvm in first android releases
Jan 06 20:44:15 <jwinnebeck> Well I've been wanting to try this program on android for a long time
Jan 06 20:44:19 <jwinnebeck> just no budget for me to do it
Jan 06 20:44:26 <jwinnebeck> and no motivation to do it on my own clock
Jan 06 20:44:35 <woglinde_> sure
Jan 06 20:44:35 <jwinnebeck> 95% of what I've written should run in android
Jan 06 20:44:39 <jwinnebeck> in dalvikvm
Jan 06 20:44:47 <jwinnebeck> But also openjdk runs on android too
Jan 06 20:45:05 <jwinnebeck> openjdk didn't exist when dalvik was started I wonder what android would hav ebeen like with openjdk
Jan 06 20:45:12 <jwinnebeck> google could have made that VM nice
Jan 06 20:45:21 <jwinnebeck> or use dalvik VM with openjdk classpath
Jan 06 20:46:40 <jwinnebeck> hmm so I tried my program with jamvm, I get error from SAX
Jan 06 20:46:51 <jwinnebeck> oh jamvm is using GNU classpath
Jan 06 20:46:59 <CanyonMan> boo
Jan 06 20:47:01 <jwinnebeck> that won't work that I'm pretty sure of I've tried classpath in the past
Jan 06 20:47:16 <jwinnebeck> Hi CanyonMan, woglinde_ has been helping me with Java stuff
Jan 06 20:47:22 <jwinnebeck> I didn't know openjdk is here
Jan 06 20:47:30 <jwinnebeck> zerovm is working but slower than snoracle VM
Jan 06 20:47:42 <CanyonMan> An embedded person who doesn't have java?  That doesn't sound right ...
Jan 06 20:47:50 * CanyonMan looks at woglinde_ suspiciously
Jan 06 20:47:54 <jwinnebeck> I know
Jan 06 20:48:07 <jwinnebeck> you meant hate not have
Jan 06 20:48:31 <jwinnebeck> Well I always say I work on "embedded" systems because what I am calling embedded is twice as powerful as my desktop in 1999
Jan 06 20:48:35 <jwinnebeck> so it still embedded?
Jan 06 20:48:38 <jwinnebeck> Dunno
Jan 06 20:49:10 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: So I guess the question is what is the story on shark?
Jan 06 20:49:39 <woglinde_> yeah I am in all
Jan 06 20:49:58 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck I will getting it run with xrandby together
Jan 06 20:50:08 <jwinnebeck> we meet with oracle bent over next week :(
Jan 06 20:50:10 <woglinde_> or maybe switching back to llvm2.7
Jan 06 20:50:13 <jwinnebeck> I mean I'm bent over
Jan 06 20:50:15 <jwinnebeck> oracle is not
Jan 06 20:50:21 <woglinde_> so whats with jamvm now?
Jan 06 20:50:39 <jwinnebeck> jamvm is it using GNU classpath or openjdk
Jan 06 20:50:41 <woglinde_> oh okay
Jan 06 20:50:42 <woglinde_> sax
Jan 06 20:50:53 <woglinde_> jamvm should use the openjdk
Jan 06 20:50:58 <woglinde_> in this setup
Jan 06 20:51:03 <jwinnebeck> org.jdom.JDOMException: http://apache.org/xml/features/validation/dynamic feature not supported for SAX driver gnu.xml.stream.SAXParser
Jan 06 20:51:03 <woglinde_> or do use jamvm
Jan 06 20:51:14 <woglinde_> directly
Jan 06 20:51:18 <jwinnebeck> I did directly
Jan 06 20:51:21 <woglinde_> no
Jan 06 20:51:22 <jwinnebeck> how do I use with openjdk
Jan 06 20:51:22 <woglinde_> as vm
Jan 06 20:51:27 <woglinde_> install the vm
Jan 06 20:51:40 <CanyonMan> haha #beagle is the wrong place to ask this, but then again, somebody else metnioned panda board earlier so .... does anybody know if there's  an inexpensive eval board for qcom snapdragons out there right now?
Jan 06 20:51:47 <jwinnebeck> I did opkg list | grep jamvm and saw only package "jamvm"
Jan 06 20:52:27 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck hm okay
Jan 06 20:52:36 <jwinnebeck> is there supposed to be an openjdk-6-vm-jamvm
Jan 06 20:52:38 <jwinnebeck> I did not see that
Jan 06 20:52:52 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck did you compiled already something for angstroem?
Jan 06 20:53:02 <woglinde_> with bitbake?
Jan 06 20:53:06 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: I haven't compiled anything other than what the TI SDK gave me
Jan 06 20:53:12 <woglinde_> hm okay
Jan 06 20:53:17 <jwinnebeck> oh I almost ran bitbake
Jan 06 20:53:20 <woglinde_> I could compile you something
Jan 06 20:53:24 <woglinde_> okay
Jan 06 20:53:36 <woglinde_> than you could use my meta-java layer
Jan 06 20:53:37 <jwinnebeck> I did the ./oebb.sh config beaglebone
Jan 06 20:53:44 <woglinde_> when you are using oe-core
Jan 06 20:54:07 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I don't know anything more than the script listed on this page: http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html
Jan 06 20:54:15 <CanyonMan> hm why did somebody from T.I. tech support just say this to me:  "Good luck on the Angstrom port there! That’s pretty an un chartered territory for us here."
Jan 06 20:54:30 <woglinde_> yeah thats funny
Jan 06 20:54:31 <jwinnebeck> bitbake didn't run because I was as root and the TI SDK screwed my perms
Jan 06 20:54:38 <jwinnebeck> I need to rerun git clone as my user
Jan 06 20:54:39 <woglinde_> with the diffrent devisions in TI
Jan 06 20:55:03 <CanyonMan> woglinde_: i was just asking if it's really the armv7a core ... The reason I asked is that the AM335x docs don't specifically say
Jan 06 20:55:20 <jwinnebeck> Ok let's say that I can bitbake then what are you saying I can get from that? I could build your openjdk packages or something?
Jan 06 20:55:27 <woglinde_> right
Jan 06 20:55:34 <CanyonMan> and the -A extensions are there to support very large memory ... yet the sitara can only address 1GB so I was curious is it REALLY v7a
Jan 06 20:55:37 <CanyonMan> but they say yes indeed it is.
Jan 06 20:56:05 <CanyonMan> Also, I don't like that name Sitara.  It reminds me of that guy from that awful band from the 70s.
Jan 06 20:56:06 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: what does your company offer, btw
Jan 06 20:56:07 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck you  need to add this layer
Jan 06 20:56:09 <woglinde_> https://github.com/woglinde/meta-java
Jan 06 20:56:30 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck support for openjdk inside openembedded
Jan 06 20:56:39 <jwinnebeck> oh ok
Jan 06 20:56:46 <woglinde_> but we are german based
Jan 06 20:56:54 <jwinnebeck> yeah I'm in the US
Jan 06 20:56:57 <woglinde_> but meta-java I did in my spare time
Jan 06 20:56:59 <jwinnebeck> but maybe it doesn't matter
Jan 06 20:57:00 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 20:57:23 <woglinde_> do you know how to add a layer?
Jan 06 20:57:33 <jwinnebeck> I bet if I open oebb.sh I will find out
Jan 06 20:57:39 <jwinnebeck> I need to do the git checkout properly
Jan 06 20:57:43 <jwinnebeck> let me get that started first
Jan 06 20:57:59 <woglinde_> no
Jan 06 20:58:03 <jwinnebeck> oh?
Jan 06 20:58:03 <woglinde_> edit conf/bblayers.conf
Jan 06 20:58:15 <woglinde_> setup-script will do this for you
Jan 06 20:58:20 <jwinnebeck> oh ok
Jan 06 20:58:55 <jwinnebeck> is it safe for me to remove the crap I don't care about, like meta-gpe and meta-intel?
Jan 06 20:58:58 <woglinde_> hm wait
Jan 06 20:59:04 <woglinde_> sure
Jan 06 20:59:44 <woglinde_> okay forgot how setup-scripts checkout the stuff
Jan 06 20:59:45 <jwinnebeck> ah screw it I don't need more stress I'll just add to EXTRALAYERS
Jan 06 20:59:50 <woglinde_> so do it manually
Jan 06 20:59:53 <jwinnebeck> oh?
Jan 06 20:59:59 <woglinde_> got to source
Jan 06 21:00:01 <woglinde_> and clone it
Jan 06 21:00:06 <woglinde_> and add it in the layer
Jan 06 21:00:10 <woglinde_> conf
Jan 06 21:00:17 <woglinde_> bitbake openjdk-6
Jan 06 21:00:35 <woglinde_> but you will have to set a few variables in local.conf
Jan 06 21:01:34 <jwinnebeck> ok give me a second to wrap my head around it, I'm a SVN guy this is my first thing here. So you are saying don't edit anymore the setup-scripts/conf/bblayers.conf?
Jan 06 21:01:37 <woglinde_> http://pastebin.com/xqJm1pYK
Jan 06 21:01:40 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 21:01:51 <jwinnebeck> :( pastebin is down, lol
Jan 06 21:01:52 <woglinde_> the variables you need to set
Jan 06 21:01:56 <woglinde_> ?
Jan 06 21:01:57 <jwinnebeck> there it does
Jan 06 21:02:00 <jwinnebeck> it gave me the lolcat
Jan 06 21:02:03 <jwinnebeck> it said "heavy load"
Jan 06 21:02:04 <jwinnebeck> haha
Jan 06 21:02:08 <jwinnebeck> but I refresh and got it
Jan 06 21:02:11 <woglinde_> okay
Jan 06 21:02:32 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck build will last around 2 hours or morw
Jan 06 21:02:40 <woglinde_> depending on your machine
Jan 06 21:02:41 <jwinnebeck> :( that's what I was afraid of ha
Jan 06 21:02:58 <jwinnebeck> That's why I didn't run the systemd-image
Jan 06 21:03:15 <woglinde_> yes makefiles inside openjdk arent prallel-make safe 
Jan 06 21:03:57 <CanyonMan> it'll last him a lot longer beacuse he's doing it in a vbox
Jan 06 21:04:07 <jwinnebeck> I do have a VM
Jan 06 21:04:24 <jwinnebeck> But first I need to grep all of this heh
Jan 06 21:05:58 <dalton> woglinde_, how can I use the "setup-scripts" (Angstrom) after installed?
Jan 06 21:07:10 <woglinde_> its in the little tutorial
Jan 06 21:07:24 <woglinde_> in two ways
Jan 06 21:07:36 <woglinde_> but I prefere the direct bitbake way
Jan 06 21:07:42 <woglinde_> so I source the env file
Jan 06 21:08:14 <woglinde_> than MACHINE=foomymachine bitbake package_image_or_what_ever I want
Jan 06 21:10:28 <woglinde_> hm looks like I need the genlock stuff for my android foo
Jan 06 21:10:54 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck when all is build copy over the ipk's or setup your own repo
Jan 06 21:11:26 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I haven't started it yet I think I screwed something up. Does it build its own cross-compiler (or get one)?
Jan 06 21:11:39 <jwinnebeck> I was doing a clean thing, starting over
Jan 06 21:11:40 <woglinde_> hm dont know what TI SDK does
Jan 06 21:11:48 <woglinde_> angstroem build its own
Jan 06 21:12:01 <jwinnebeck> and then it gives me errors about directories from where I tried to build it before, but that's in a different user's account so how the heck does it know about that
Jan 06 21:12:12 <jwinnebeck> paths in the TI SDK
Jan 06 21:12:25 <jwinnebeck> I don't see any vars except QMAKESPEC reference that
Jan 06 21:12:33 <jwinnebeck> I did this:
Jan 06 21:12:48 <jwinnebeck> git clone git://git.angstrom-distribution.org/setup-scripts; cd setup-scripts; git checkout origin/oe-core -b oe-core; /oebb.sh config beaglebone
Jan 06 21:12:58 <jwinnebeck> and the oebb failed
Jan 06 21:13:03 <jwinnebeck> I did edit the layers.txt first tho
Jan 06 21:13:22 <jwinnebeck> added meta-java,https://github.com/woglinde/meta-java,master,HEAD
Jan 06 21:13:37 <woglinde_> ah
Jan 06 21:13:40 <jwinnebeck> I should try really clean to make sure I didn't do something lame
Jan 06 21:13:45 <woglinde_> whats failing?
Jan 06 21:14:01 <jwinnebeck> Ok I rm -rf'd everything gonna try over
Jan 06 21:14:07 <woglinde_> ,)
Jan 06 21:14:50 <jwinnebeck> wow what the hello
Jan 06 21:14:57 <jwinnebeck> I dun get it man
Jan 06 21:15:05 <jwinnebeck> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/ti-sdk-am335x-evm/angstrom/setup-scripts': Permission denied
Jan 06 21:15:14 <jwinnebeck> that's the TI SDK I installed as root (beacsue you have to)
Jan 06 21:15:18 <jwinnebeck> I'm not running as root or anything
Jan 06 21:15:26 <jwinnebeck> how does it even KNOW about that path
Jan 06 21:15:53 <jwinnebeck> when I do the get checkout is it some kind of global thing that is being shared, I dunno
Jan 06 21:16:35 <woglinde_> lol
Jan 06 21:16:47 <jwinnebeck> looking at the script to see wher eit is getting these paths from
Jan 06 21:16:58 <jwinnebeck> oh what the hell
Jan 06 21:17:03 <jwinnebeck> it makes something called ~/.oe
Jan 06 21:17:23 <xenland> How do i make an LED light up with GPIO pins and Angstrom linux?
Jan 06 21:17:28 <jwinnebeck> So I will clear that out
Jan 06 21:18:09 <jsabeaudry> xenland: echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/beaglebone::usr3/brightness
Jan 06 21:18:32 <xenland> jsabeaudry: oh thanx
Jan 06 21:18:50 <xenland> How do i know which pin I'm talking to?
Jan 06 21:19:00 <xenland> echo 1 = pin 1?
Jan 06 21:19:02 <jwinnebeck> OK deleting that ~/.oe works
Jan 06 21:19:18 <woglinde_> no 1 is on or off
Jan 06 21:19:19 <woglinde_> ups
Jan 06 21:19:20 <jsabeaudry> xenland: Oh my bad I though you were talking about the user led
Jan 06 21:19:33 <woglinde_> 1 == on gpio 0 == gpio off
Jan 06 21:19:48 <jsabeaudry> xenland: look into /sys/class/gpio
Jan 06 21:19:48 <xenland> woglinde: gotcha
Jan 06 21:20:05 <jsabeaudry> xenland: to toggle gpio pins
Jan 06 21:21:11 <woglinde_> for other gpios read the kernel doku
Jan 06 21:21:19 <woglinde_> maybee for some you need to export them first
Jan 06 21:21:42 <xenland> jsabeaudry: that reminds me of this tutorial: http://bbfordummies.blogspot.com/2009/07/1.html I couldn't figure out how to select the pins i wanted tho
Jan 06 21:21:51 <xenland> scince that tut is for beagleboard
Jan 06 21:22:09 <xenland> (I'm using BeagleBone)
Jan 06 21:22:58 <xenland> jsabeaudry: hey your LED command worked!
Jan 06 21:23:04 <xenland> for the on board led anyways
Jan 06 21:23:10 <xenland> thats always nice to see something work for once
Jan 06 21:24:01 <xenland> :D Time to make a tut!
Jan 06 21:24:43 <mdp> yeah, for actual led class stuff you need to see the documentation in the s/w
Jan 06 21:24:49 <mdp> https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/blob/v3.1-meta-ti-r2f+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-am335xevm.c#L745
Jan 06 21:25:17 <jsabeaudry> xenland: great be sure to post a link here!
Jan 06 21:25:50 <xenland> Most definitely
Jan 06 21:30:31 <jwinnebeck> ok finally I think I am building something...
Jan 06 21:31:05 <woglinde_> cool
Jan 06 21:31:17 <jwinnebeck> It's building "pseudo" now
Jan 06 21:31:17 <woglinde_> now wait 5 hours
Jan 06 21:31:20 <woglinde_> yes
Jan 06 21:31:22 <muriani> haha
Jan 06 21:31:29 <muriani> always withthe pseudo building
Jan 06 21:31:42 <jwinnebeck> how much disk space will I need for this
Jan 06 21:31:45 <jwinnebeck> I hope my VM is not too small
Jan 06 21:31:46 <muriani> woglinde_: building for beagle now. We'll see how it goes.
Jan 06 21:32:08 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck hm around 20 gigs
Jan 06 21:32:12 <jwinnebeck> hahaha
Jan 06 21:32:17 <jwinnebeck> well then
Jan 06 21:32:20 <woglinde_> with rm_works inherit
Jan 06 21:32:21 <jwinnebeck> I better cancel this out
Jan 06 21:32:26 <muriani> lol
Jan 06 21:32:29 <jwinnebeck> I have 2 G free
Jan 06 21:32:32 <woglinde_> oh
Jan 06 21:32:39 <woglinde_> that will not work
Jan 06 21:32:44 <woglinde_> sorry
Jan 06 21:32:50 <jwinnebeck> wow I guess I need a real linux box
Jan 06 21:32:50 <woglinde_> make it 30 for safte
Jan 06 21:32:54 <woglinde_> safety
Jan 06 21:33:15 <jwinnebeck> I traded my life for an SSD here with this machine I got an SSD but it's only 120GB maybe that was a mistake
Jan 06 21:33:26 <jwinnebeck> of course it's OK for me to spend 20 hours working around a $50 problem here
Jan 06 21:33:33 <jwinnebeck> and we charge $100+ an hour
Jan 06 21:33:41 <muriani> yeah.. SSD is nice, but sometimes you need rooom
Jan 06 21:33:41 <jwinnebeck> but don't buy anything!
Jan 06 21:34:05 <jwinnebeck> So then can I ask what bitbake systemd-image would do?
Jan 06 21:34:08 <woglinde_> .o(100 at university)
Jan 06 21:34:15 <woglinde_> not possible in germany
Jan 06 21:34:23 <woglinde_> sure
Jan 06 21:34:29 <jwinnebeck> what does that build
Jan 06 21:34:36 <woglinde_> it is building a stock image with systemd included
Jan 06 21:34:45 <woglinde_> you can go to sources
Jan 06 21:34:50 <jwinnebeck> is it a replacement for the Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone.rootfs.tar.bz2 I got from beaglebone site?
Jan 06 21:35:01 <woglinde_> and do find -name "*systemd-image*"
Jan 06 21:35:02 <jwinnebeck> or does it make the cloud9?
Jan 06 21:35:06 <woglinde_> and look into that file
Jan 06 21:35:30 <woglinde_> I think that was build with systemd-image goal
Jan 06 21:35:38 <jwinnebeck> woglinde_: to build your openjdk-6 do I only need to add to sources/layers.txt?
Jan 06 21:35:49 <jwinnebeck> In the end I got Nothing PROVIDES 'openjdk-6'
Jan 06 21:35:53 <jwinnebeck> do I have to touch bblayers.txt?
Jan 06 21:36:16 <jsabeaudry> I beleive it is openjdk6-jdk
Jan 06 21:36:23 <jwinnebeck> crap I said MACHINE=beagleboard I wanted beaglebone
Jan 06 21:36:23 <jsabeaudry> no?
Jan 06 21:36:25 <jwinnebeck> what a dumbass
Jan 06 21:36:27 <woglinde_> yes you need add it
Jan 06 21:36:46 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck no problem the only differ in kernel
Jan 06 21:36:50 <woglinde_> userspace is the same
Jan 06 21:36:52 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 21:36:57 <woglinde_> so no other arch
Jan 06 21:37:29 <woglinde_> if you dont add the source-folder to the layers the file inside will not be parsed
Jan 06 21:37:52 <jwinnebeck> I put this to EXTRALAYERS: ${TOPDIR}/sources/meta-java
Jan 06 21:37:58 <jwinnebeck> wher eis where the git clone is
Jan 06 21:38:48 <woglinde_> that looks good
Jan 06 21:38:49 <jwinnebeck> I might need to build this on CanyonMan's monstrous machine later :)
Jan 06 21:39:01 <woglinde_> what does he has?
Jan 06 21:39:05 <jwinnebeck> I can at least watch this till my disk is full
Jan 06 21:39:12 <woglinde_> lol
Jan 06 21:39:12 <jwinnebeck> I think dual raid 1 1TB drives
Jan 06 21:39:20 <woglinde_> dont waste your time with watching
Jan 06 21:39:20 <jwinnebeck> and ubuntu as primary OS
Jan 06 21:39:40 <jwinnebeck> well pseudo build only took a little bit :)
Jan 06 21:39:51 <woglinde_> pseudo is fast
Jan 06 21:39:55 <woglinde_> to build yes
Jan 06 21:39:59 <woglinde_> gm djlewis
Jan 06 21:40:08 <jwinnebeck> ha OK
Jan 06 21:40:21 <djlewis> hello again ... having nameserver issues here :(
Jan 06 21:41:06 <muriani> that's fun.
Jan 06 21:41:16 <muriani> Had to deal with that with a client this morning
Jan 06 21:41:19 <djlewis> yeah, my irc was still working but that was it.
Jan 06 21:41:28 <muriani> "I can't access the internet!"
Jan 06 21:41:59 <jwinnebeck> I like it when they say "the internet is down" because they can't get to e-mail
Jan 06 21:42:04 <jwinnebeck> yes, the entire internet, it is down
Jan 06 21:42:08 <djlewis> major disaster whan that happens to people that dont need the internet for their work
Jan 06 21:42:30 <djlewis> s/whan/when
Jan 06 21:44:15 <djlewis> like, i am on dsl at home, my phone was dead for over  a week and I didnt know it cause my dsl was working fine :)
Jan 06 21:44:25 <djlewis> I dont get many calls
Jan 06 21:44:30 <woglinde_> djlewis ip-phone
Jan 06 21:44:30 <jwinnebeck> So basically is bitbake compiling all of the packages needed for openjdk to compile that's why it needs to compile openssl-native and more?
Jan 06 21:44:33 <woglinde_> and cellphone
Jan 06 21:44:34 <woglinde_> haha
Jan 06 21:44:45 <woglinde_> jwinnebeck yes
Jan 06 21:44:53 <woglinde_> around 2900 targets
Jan 06 21:44:59 <woglinde_> for openjdk-6
Jan 06 21:44:59 <djlewis> I ca see two cell towers east and west of me but is is very unreliable at my home
Jan 06 21:45:00 <jwinnebeck> well it's doing 3440 tasks
Jan 06 21:45:04 <woglinde_> hm okay
Jan 06 21:45:13 <jwinnebeck> that is crazy maybe I just use zero and go home
Jan 06 21:45:23 <woglinde_> djlewis wrong provider
Jan 06 21:45:31 <jwinnebeck> but really what am I getting in the end? Just the most recent version of your openjdk stuff?
Jan 06 21:45:37 <woglinde_> yes
Jan 06 21:45:39 <djlewis> not my phone, a freebie from the company
Jan 06 21:45:40 <woglinde_> and jamvm
Jan 06 21:45:42 <jwinnebeck> BTW good work on this though for what I've seen so far
Jan 06 21:45:55 <jwinnebeck> Maybe we can free ourselves from the oracle devil
Jan 06 21:46:02 <woglinde_> and shark with llvm 2.8
Jan 06 21:46:05 <woglinde_> which may work
Jan 06 21:46:07 <jwinnebeck> ohhhhh
Jan 06 21:46:11 <jwinnebeck> shark... yummy
Jan 06 21:46:13 <djlewis> I quit paying for apersonal cell phone years ago.
Jan 06 21:46:18 <woglinde_> for one floatingpoint example it didnt
Jan 06 21:46:19 <djlewis> dont want it
Jan 06 21:46:31 <woglinde_> but I will figure it out with xrandby next-week
Jan 06 21:46:34 <jwinnebeck> oh I use floating point a lot :\
Jan 06 21:46:44 <jwinnebeck> are you just a builder or are you actually hacking on the VM code?
Jan 06 21:46:51 <woglinde_> maybee its working with neon
Jan 06 21:46:58 <woglinde_> depends
Jan 06 21:47:03 <woglinde_> mostly builder
Jan 06 21:47:08 <jwinnebeck> well bone has neon
Jan 06 21:47:16 <woglinde_> but I made the whole stuff working under uclibc
Jan 06 21:47:27 <jwinnebeck> uclibc we used that once some years ago
Jan 06 21:47:30 <jwinnebeck> ended up just going to glibc
Jan 06 21:47:36 <jwinnebeck> because "embedded" isn't emebdded anymore
Jan 06 21:47:39 <woglinde_> uclibc is often faster
Jan 06 21:47:44 <jwinnebeck> our "embedded" system has 1GB of RAM in it
Jan 06 21:47:50 <jwinnebeck> Really, we didn't see that
Jan 06 21:47:53 <woglinde_> and build time is 5th of glibc
Jan 06 21:47:57 <jwinnebeck> if anything uclibc was slower
Jan 06 21:48:01 <jwinnebeck> build time, I can see that for sure
Jan 06 21:48:13 <woglinde_> than try to build all with uclibc
Jan 06 21:48:26 <jwinnebeck> is this going to build the eglibc chain or uclibc chain?
Jan 06 21:48:35 <jwinnebeck> how do I select that
Jan 06 21:48:50 <woglinde_> TCLIBC=uclibc in front of bitbake
Jan 06 21:48:56 <jwinnebeck> what's default?
Jan 06 21:48:59 <woglinde_> eglibc
Jan 06 21:49:01 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 21:49:14 <woglinde_> bah this stupid android stuff
Jan 06 21:49:25 <jwinnebeck> hey at least I'm not trying to compile ICS...
Jan 06 21:49:27 <jwinnebeck> :)
Jan 06 21:49:44 <jwinnebeck> I can't imagine a compiler taking 16GB
Jan 06 21:49:53 <jsabeaudry> Is there a way to specify MACHINE=beaglebone in one of the config files not to have to type it nefore every ./oebb command?
Jan 06 21:50:05 <jwinnebeck> Well I only had to run oebb once
Jan 06 21:50:15 <jwinnebeck> then it told me to source ~/.oe/...
Jan 06 21:50:21 <jwinnebeck> some file in there (I tab-complete it)
Jan 06 21:50:25 <jwinnebeck> then you can just run bitbake
Jan 06 21:50:34 <jwinnebeck> I bet you could put MACHINE in there too
Jan 06 21:50:39 <jwinnebeck> well I don't see why not
Jan 06 21:50:43 <jwinnebeck> it's just an env
Jan 06 21:50:47 <woglinde_> you can put MACHINE in local.conf too
Jan 06 21:50:52 <jwinnebeck> oh
Jan 06 21:51:01 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: I'm following http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Jan 06 21:51:19 <djlewis> OE, i have to re learn it every time i try to use it :(
Jan 06 21:51:24 <jwinnebeck> Yeah the oebb script output that message to me
Jan 06 21:51:26 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Perhaps there is a better resource I am not aware of?
Jan 06 21:51:26 <jwinnebeck> told me not to use it
Jan 06 21:51:31 <jwinnebeck> that's where I learned it from
Jan 06 21:51:48 <woglinde_> lol
Jan 06 21:51:55 <woglinde_> no
Jan 06 21:52:09 <jwinnebeck> well it gives a warning when you run oebb it says "btw you can source this script and just run bitbake directly"
Jan 06 21:52:16 <jsabeaudry> woglinde_: Ok I put MACHINE = "beaglebone" in local.conf
Jan 06 21:52:18 <jwinnebeck> Anyway, I ran out of disk space so I call this build a success
Jan 06 21:53:30 <jwinnebeck> I need to take a break anyway
Jan 06 21:53:42 <jwinnebeck> I was supposed to do something else thsi afternoon but the bone keeps drawing me in
Jan 06 21:53:44 <woglinde_> sure
Jan 06 21:53:48 <woglinde_> tell me on monday
Jan 06 21:53:53 <woglinde_> or sunday
Jan 06 21:53:54 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I will try to find a place to build this
Jan 06 21:53:58 <jwinnebeck> maybe my personal machine at home
Jan 06 21:54:16 <jwinnebeck> let it run overnight
Jan 06 21:54:25 <woglinde_> thats a good idea
Jan 06 21:54:32 <woglinde_> as long as it not fails somewhere
Jan 06 21:54:36 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I know
Jan 06 21:54:39 <jwinnebeck> that's always the fear
Jan 06 21:54:41 <woglinde_> do you have fast internet?
Jan 06 21:54:44 <woglinde_> at home
Jan 06 21:54:57 <jwinnebeck> 10mbit
Jan 06 21:54:58 <woglinde_> it needs to download some stuff
Jan 06 21:55:00 <jwinnebeck> cable model
Jan 06 21:55:01 <woglinde_> okay
Jan 06 21:55:09 <jwinnebeck> Yeah it downloads from the git clones
Jan 06 21:55:25 <woglinde_> no
Jan 06 21:55:27 <woglinde_> sources
Jan 06 21:55:38 <woglinde_> or depends
Jan 06 21:56:33 <jwinnebeck> sad when my home box > work box
Jan 06 21:57:36 <woglinde_> that shouldnt happen
Jan 06 21:57:38 <woglinde_> hw is cheap
Jan 06 21:57:43 <jwinnebeck> I know
Jan 06 21:57:55 <jwinnebeck> but it took us 2 years to convince our boss to let us buy beagle
Jan 06 21:58:01 <woglinde_> uhm
Jan 06 21:58:02 <jwinnebeck> I don't get it
Jan 06 21:58:21 <woglinde_> so he tooks all the money himself
Jan 06 21:58:38 <jwinnebeck> No, it's just a beaucratic nightmare to submit a purchase order sometimes
Jan 06 21:58:42 <jwinnebeck> beacuse it has to all be signed off
Jan 06 21:58:49 <jwinnebeck> I can go into a closet and nap for 2 hours and no one will notice
Jan 06 21:59:10 <jwinnebeck> if I want to by a hershey bar for $.50 watch out the president has to be involved and an act of congress
Jan 06 21:59:16 <jwinnebeck> Our server
Jan 06 21:59:24 <jwinnebeck> our server is from 2005 or so I think
Jan 06 21:59:28 <jwinnebeck> it's a dual core pentium 4
Jan 06 21:59:32 <jwinnebeck> yes a pentium 4
Jan 06 21:59:37 <jwinnebeck> it has 6GB of RAM
Jan 06 21:59:42 <jwinnebeck> because I begged for 4GB more
Jan 06 21:59:46 <jwinnebeck> it came with 2GB
Jan 06 21:59:58 <jwinnebeck> and it only has like 160GB of drive space
Jan 06 22:00:10 <jwinnebeck> this is our subversion server and bug tracker and IM server and web server and...
Jan 06 22:00:15 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: the joy of big organizations... I left one out of frustration at the end of the summer
Jan 06 22:00:28 <jwinnebeck> Actually as far as orgs go, except for the money, this one is GREAT
Jan 06 22:00:32 <jwinnebeck> I mean really great
Jan 06 22:00:38 <jwinnebeck> anything else I have carte blanche
Jan 06 22:00:45 <jwinnebeck> no firewalls, etc
Jan 06 22:00:49 <jwinnebeck> well what I mean is
Jan 06 22:00:52 <jwinnebeck> it's a university
Jan 06 22:01:01 <jwinnebeck> so it's not like there's crazy proxies and stuff
Jan 06 22:01:09 <jwinnebeck> we still have firewall like a normal person
Jan 06 22:01:23 <jwinnebeck> but it's not like I have to get an act of congress to get an SSH connection out
Jan 06 22:02:08 <jwinnebeck> if I feel like using git tomorrow instead of svn I can do it
Jan 06 22:02:13 <jwinnebeck> I also get to pretty much do what I want
Jan 06 22:02:18 <jwinnebeck> like this beaglebone thing
Jan 06 22:02:22 <koen> woglinde_: the rrecommends patch I sent is there so people can do 'opkg remove openjdk-something-shark' and get a working system
Jan 06 22:03:12 <jwinnebeck> OK my friend gave me space I will compile this weekend woglinde_ and let you know. People like you are a lifesaver, without the java stuff we can't get off the ground
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Jan 06 22:07:30 <woglinde_> which says which vm is default
Jan 06 22:07:32 <jwinnebeck> koen: if you missed the conversation I was working with oracle jvm, which works very well, but woglinde_ told me about his openjdk
Jan 06 22:07:41 <woglinde_> its not mine
Jan 06 22:07:49 <jwinnebeck> Well you set up the build
Jan 06 22:07:51 <jwinnebeck> right?
Jan 06 22:07:54 <woglinde_> only polished for use in oe
Jan 06 22:07:55 <woglinde_> ;)
Jan 06 22:08:01 <jwinnebeck> obviously you did not write all of open jdk :))!!!!
Jan 06 22:08:01 * koen used to have a job building sun cvm for arm
Jan 06 22:08:06 <jwinnebeck> OH MAN!
Jan 06 22:08:09 <jwinnebeck> we used cvm!
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Jan 06 22:08:42 <koen> had to get rid of a ton of gcc 2.95.3isms
Jan 06 22:08:51 <jwinnebeck> I keep on looking on jvm for arm only now with the bone I've found something
Jan 06 22:08:59 <jwinnebeck> My first attempt was on windows CE like 5 years ago
Jan 06 22:09:02 <jwinnebeck> with mysaifu
Jan 06 22:09:06 <jwinnebeck> which worked
Jan 06 22:09:12 <jwinnebeck> but it was SLLLLLLLLLOW
Jan 06 22:09:19 <jwinnebeck> this was on PXA something or other
Jan 06 22:09:31 <jwinnebeck> 600mhz strongarm thingy
Jan 06 22:09:36 <muriani> sounds like the platform I've been trying to build for all day
Jan 06 22:09:37 <woglinde_> hm tried once to port qt3 to qt4 with cdc 
Jan 06 22:09:40 <jsabeaudry> Anyone knows if narcissus will be updated to include beaglebone soon?
Jan 06 22:09:40 <jwinnebeck> still wasn't good enough yet so we stuck with geode x86
Jan 06 22:09:47 <koen> we ran it on strongarms and pxa machines
Jan 06 22:09:51 <koen> (HP iPAQs)
Jan 06 22:09:55 <woglinde_> jsabeaudry koen will know
Jan 06 22:09:56 <jwinnebeck> yeah
Jan 06 22:10:02 <jwinnebeck> we had switched to j2se linux x86 at that point
Jan 06 22:10:11 <jwinnebeck> beacuse the "embedded" geode 300mhz was enough to run it
Jan 06 22:10:31 <jwinnebeck> I don't know if to call it embedded anymore if the thing is running glibc and ubuntu and j2se :)
Jan 06 22:10:39 <koen> jsabeaudry: it's being planned
Jan 06 22:11:17 <woglinde> re
Jan 06 22:11:22 <woglinde> crappy dsl line
Jan 06 22:11:27 <woglinde> at home
Jan 06 22:11:48 <jsabeaudry> koen: ok, perhaps you are also the one to ask about emacs, the packages does not seem to be available on the bone although it is listed on the repo browser
Jan 06 22:15:29 <jsabeaudry> At which point of building angstrom do I choose which packages will be included?
Jan 06 22:15:59 <woglinde> jsabeaudry parsing
Jan 06 22:16:23 <sakoman_> koen: I got the .05 SGX SDK to build for linux 3.0
Jan 06 22:16:29 <woglinde> or the goal
Jan 06 22:16:54 <woglinde> jsabeaudry look at the existings images to make your own
Jan 06 22:16:59 <sakoman_> sadly still the same issues -- works on 37xx, sort of on 35xx ES2.1, hard crash on 35xx ES3.1
Jan 06 22:17:42 <jsabeaudry> woglinde: I'm not sure what you mean when you tell me to "look" at them
Jan 06 22:17:59 <woglinde> jsabeaudry go to sources 
Jan 06 22:18:21 <woglinde> find -name "*image*bb"
Jan 06 22:18:30 <woglinde> look into the files
Jan 06 22:19:05 <aholler> jwinnebeck: the problem with ext4 is that the official ti-sdk (like android) used a stone old kernel which didn't support ext4
Jan 06 22:19:17 <jwinnebeck> aholler: now it appears to use 3.1.0
Jan 06 22:19:43 <jwinnebeck> aholler: given that we are using 3.1.0+ do you suggest ext4? my intuition tells me yes
Jan 06 22:20:05 <woglinde> ext4 is good
Jan 06 22:20:52 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 22:21:11 <jwinnebeck> I was going to try that at some point but right now not trying to rock the boat and following the instructions online
Jan 06 22:21:28 <woglinde> iphone?
Jan 06 22:21:30 <woglinde> bot?
Jan 06 22:21:36 <jsabeaudry> woglinde: I see very interesting, thank you very much!
Jan 06 22:22:16 <aholler> ext3 was good too
Jan 06 22:22:17 <woglinde> jsabeaudry easiest way is to inherit some image and than us extra_install for the packages you want 
Jan 06 22:22:25 <woglinde> aholler not in all cases
Jan 06 22:23:33 <aholler> really? ;)
Jan 06 22:24:14 <woglinde> yes journaling
Jan 06 22:24:16 <woglinde> and speed
Jan 06 22:25:30 <aholler> i would say the sd-cards are the problem, but I don't want to discuss that here. just wanted to note why ext4 wasn't an option
Jan 06 22:25:36 <aholler> ;)
Jan 06 22:25:54 <woglinde> uhm ?
Jan 06 22:29:00 <jwinnebeck> tip of the day: use screen!
Jan 06 22:29:05 <woglinde> lol
Jan 06 22:29:13 <woglinde> I use screen since over 10 years
Jan 06 22:29:16 <jwinnebeck> CanyonMan gave me 70G to compile with
Jan 06 22:29:22 <woglinde> and sometimes I forget it
Jan 06 22:29:25 <jwinnebeck> I haven't used screen in lyaers
Jan 06 22:29:31 <jwinnebeck> But if this build is going to go all night
Jan 06 22:29:35 <jwinnebeck> I need to move my session around
Jan 06 22:29:39 <jwinnebeck> thankfully I remembered screen
Jan 06 22:29:49 <woglinde> ;)
Jan 06 22:29:53 <jwinnebeck> so public service announcement to everyone else out there who doesn't know screen :)
Jan 06 22:30:00 <woglinde> lol
Jan 06 22:30:01 <jwinnebeck> There was a day I didn't know any unix stuff
Jan 06 22:30:05 <jwinnebeck> now I know too much
Jan 06 22:30:09 <woglinde> yeah
Jan 06 22:30:13 <mdp> jwinnebeck: fwiw, ti sdk for am37x/am35x parts is still on a stone age kernel … only bone is recentish
Jan 06 22:30:15 <woglinde> but they day ended in 96
Jan 06 22:30:26 <woglinde> with irix 5.2
Jan 06 22:30:38 <jwinnebeck> mdp: well I'm starting to get the impression that I don't want to use the TI SDK anymore
Jan 06 22:30:49 <jwinnebeck> with this angstrom stuff it looks better than anything from TI
Jan 06 22:30:54 <jwinnebeck> so right now I'm not seeing the point anymore
Jan 06 22:30:59 <woglinde> jwinnebeck haha so koen win over denix again
Jan 06 22:31:02 <mdp> jwinnebeck: depends on the part is all
Jan 06 22:31:05 * woglinde runs
Jan 06 22:31:05 <ds2> there is nothing wrong with older kernels if it works.
Jan 06 22:31:16 <ds2> if you want the latest kernel, then you will never get anything done.
Jan 06 22:31:21 <jwinnebeck> Well the TI SDK kernel is 3.1.0 anyway
Jan 06 22:31:22 <jwinnebeck> I'm using bone
Jan 06 22:31:35 <jwinnebeck> but the angstrom setup seems a lot better
Jan 06 22:32:04 <mdp> exactly, because am35x/37x are a disaster in mainline, the only place to get mostly working system suspend is in those .32/.37 kernels
Jan 06 22:32:04 <jwinnebeck> Uhm does bitbake run jove
Jan 06 22:32:05 <CanyonMan> the one thing about the kernel though is that, sooner or later, we're going to need the DCAN driver and that wasn't in the 5.03 ti sdk
Jan 06 22:32:21 <jwinnebeck> Oh... maybe we do care then?
Jan 06 22:32:24 <mdp> so for many people they are stuck there
Jan 06 22:32:29 <CanyonMan> I'm not really sure.
Jan 06 22:32:33 <jwinnebeck> we care about dcan also suspend to RAM
Jan 06 22:32:37 <CanyonMan> But I don't realy want to have to personally splice dcan in
Jan 06 22:32:51 <jwinnebeck> my bitbake crashed... JOVE CRASH!! (code 1; last errno 10)
Jan 06 22:32:55 <jwinnebeck> why would it say that
Jan 06 22:33:00 <woglinde> uhm?
Jan 06 22:33:04 <CanyonMan> jove the editor?
Jan 06 22:33:05 <woglinde> where ?
Jan 06 22:33:06 <mdp> jwinnebeck: since you're on bone, PM isn't an issue since it doesn't exist at all yet.
Jan 06 22:33:23 <woglinde> poor ti india
Jan 06 22:33:26 <woglinde> no PM
Jan 06 22:33:33 <jwinnebeck> ERROR: Task 34 (......setup-scripts/sources/openembedded-core/meta/recipes-devtools/autoconf/autoconf_2.68.bb, do_compile) failed with exit code '1'
Jan 06 22:33:44 <jwinnebeck> so weird
Jan 06 22:33:45 <woglinde> what the hell
Jan 06 22:33:50 <woglinde> why is autoconf failing
Jan 06 22:33:53 <jwinnebeck> Yeah this didn't happen in my VM
Jan 06 22:33:58 <muriani> huh
Jan 06 22:33:59 <jwinnebeck> I'm running on a bit older Ubuntu
Jan 06 22:34:03 <CanyonMan> the safest thign is to just try it again
Jan 06 22:34:06 <CanyonMan> :)
Jan 06 22:34:07 <muriani> I had that one of my first runs
Jan 06 22:34:08 <jwinnebeck> I did twice
Jan 06 22:34:09 <muriani> yesterday I think
Jan 06 22:34:12 <CanyonMan> oh
Jan 06 22:34:13 <CanyonMan> huh.
Jan 06 22:34:14 <jwinnebeck> now 3x
Jan 06 22:34:18 <jsabeaudry> readline_6.2.bb fails here
Jan 06 22:34:23 <muriani> I don't remember what I did to fix it, haha
Jan 06 22:34:23 <woglinde> muriani you are on ubunto to?
Jan 06 22:34:31 <woglinde> today here nothing failed
Jan 06 22:34:33 <jwinnebeck> I'm on screen does that matter?
Jan 06 22:34:34 <woglinde> under debian sid
Jan 06 22:34:36 <jwinnebeck> hopefully not
Jan 06 22:34:40 <muriani> yeah, 11.10 on the machine I broke it on
Jan 06 22:34:40 <woglinde> jwinnebeck no
Jan 06 22:34:45 <muriani> or it was broken on
Jan 06 22:34:49 <mdp> woglinde: heh…poor TII indeed
Jan 06 22:35:05 <muriani> I think I just installed the latest autoconf from repos after that
Jan 06 22:35:08 <woglinde> hm yeah I read and heard of some problems with 11.10
Jan 06 22:35:12 <woglinde> but not for autoconf
Jan 06 22:35:13 <muriani> which is 2.68, iirc
Jan 06 22:35:15 <woglinde> or readline
Jan 06 22:35:17 <CanyonMan> I have a weird feeling tha tsuspend is going to be coding on our end anyway beacuse o fhow we want it to work
Jan 06 22:35:28 <muriani> I'm doing my builds on 10.04 at the momornt
Jan 06 22:35:29 <jwinnebeck> CanyonMan: what ubuntu is this?
Jan 06 22:35:31 <CanyonMan> we really want to have one of the PRUs take over and watch some I/o pins
Jan 06 22:35:45 <CanyonMan> it's 10.10
Jan 06 22:36:02 <CanyonMan> so we want the PRU to be alive, but the CPU to be off except for DRAM refreshing
Jan 06 22:36:08 <jwinnebeck> I just don't get why the heck it would be running jove
Jan 06 22:36:12 <jwinnebeck> and jove clears the screen
Jan 06 22:36:12 <CanyonMan> then the PRU will watch and run a program that decides when to wake up
Jan 06 22:36:16 <CanyonMan> oh try this
Jan 06 22:36:16 <jwinnebeck> so I can't see anything from before that
Jan 06 22:36:27 <CanyonMan> export VISUAL=/usr/bin/vi
Jan 06 22:36:31 <CanyonMan> export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi
Jan 06 22:37:01 <jwinnebeck> still jove crash :)
Jan 06 22:37:07 <jwinnebeck> what the hell jove from bitbake
Jan 06 22:38:04 <jwinnebeck> I think it tried to run emacs?
Jan 06 22:38:20 <woglinde> jwinnebeck does it work now?
Jan 06 22:38:23 <jwinnebeck> no
Jan 06 22:38:28 <woglinde> second run
Jan 06 22:38:29 <woglinde> hm
Jan 06 22:38:47 <woglinde> can you pastebin the output from the compile.log
Jan 06 22:39:01 <jwinnebeck> http://pastebin.com/YwXUbYVM
Jan 06 22:39:06 <jwinnebeck> Oh I was alreayd working on it
Jan 06 22:39:23 <woglinde> its under build/tmp_foo/work/hostarch/autoconf-version/tmp/do_log.compile
Jan 06 22:39:25 <jwinnebeck> that is a pastebin of me just doing "MACHINE=beaglebone bitbake openjdk-6 > tmp.log"
Jan 06 22:39:27 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 06 22:40:00 <woglinde> fuck
Jan 06 22:40:10 <woglinde> EMACS="emacs" /bin/bash ../../build-aux/elisp-comp "$@" || exit 1; \
Jan 06 22:40:13 <woglinde> damn bashism
Jan 06 22:40:24 <jwinnebeck> what happened
Jan 06 22:40:40 <woglinde> thats what the call inside autoconf
Jan 06 22:40:47 <woglinde> build
Jan 06 22:40:56 <woglinde> what the hell
Jan 06 22:41:05 <jwinnebeck> Yeah but why does that start jove
Jan 06 22:41:18 <woglinde> strange bash env file?
Jan 06 22:41:29 <woglinde> anyway that must be fixed
Jan 06 22:41:30 <jwinnebeck> and who can't build automake
Jan 06 22:41:37 <jwinnebeck> can I workaround that?
Jan 06 22:41:49 <woglinde> I am wondering why nobody stumbled over it before
Jan 06 22:42:07 <jwinnebeck> Well I'm glad to be service of the community by stepping on that mine
Jan 06 22:42:09 <woglinde> either cut the sucking emacs stuff complete
Jan 06 22:42:20 <woglinde> or try to edit it to use /bin/sh
Jan 06 22:42:33 <woglinde> I would rather say delete the emacs stuff out
Jan 06 22:42:44 <jwinnebeck> oh no code mods
Jan 06 22:42:48 <jwinnebeck> I don't even know where the code is
Jan 06 22:42:51 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Have you taken a look at the prerequisites here: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro
Jan 06 22:43:12 <woglinde> jsabeaudry the /bin/bash is definitly wrong there
Jan 06 22:44:24 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: do you think I'm missing something?
Jan 06 22:45:16 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Obscure problems like that often reside in a dependency that everyone assumes you have
Jan 06 22:45:23 <jwinnebeck> hmm well
Jan 06 22:45:25 <jwinnebeck> it says
Jan 06 22:45:33 <jwinnebeck> "Check that /bin/sh (ls -l /bin/sh) is not symbolically linked to dash." but it is
Jan 06 22:45:37 <jwinnebeck> I'll try changing that to bash
Jan 06 22:46:04 <jwinnebeck> nope that didn't work
Jan 06 22:46:11 <woglinde> hm I should switch it back to dash
Jan 06 22:46:16 <woglinde> and fix all the bashims stuff
Jan 06 22:46:41 <jwinnebeck> do I need /bin/sh as bash?
Jan 06 22:46:47 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: What is the package you are trying to bitbake again?
Jan 06 22:46:55 <jwinnebeck> openjdk-6
Jan 06 22:46:56 <jwinnebeck> but
Jan 06 22:47:01 <jwinnebeck> it is building automake at the point it fails
Jan 06 22:47:01 <woglinde> jwinnebeck there maybee still bashims  somewhere
Jan 06 22:47:21 <woglinde> jwinnebeck as I said edit Makefile
Jan 06 22:47:27 <woglinde> and remove the emcas crap
Jan 06 22:47:29 <jwinnebeck> Ok I will try to find it
Jan 06 22:49:41 <jwinnebeck> OK found it
Jan 06 22:49:43 <jwinnebeck> what is it supposed to be
Jan 06 22:50:13 <jwinnebeck> what part is the bashism
Jan 06 22:50:56 <jwinnebeck> yeah
Jan 06 22:50:58 <jwinnebeck> when I run emacs
Jan 06 22:51:00 <jwinnebeck> it runs jove
Jan 06 22:51:02 <jwinnebeck> that's odd
Jan 06 22:51:14 <woglinde> it runs the script
Jan 06 22:51:15 <jwinnebeck> but this isn't my machine :)
Jan 06 22:51:26 <woglinde> look what is happening in the script
Jan 06 22:51:27 <jwinnebeck> I mean that line it runs /bin/bash directly
Jan 06 22:51:34 <woglinde> yes
Jan 06 22:51:47 <woglinde> elisp-comp
Jan 06 22:51:56 <jwinnebeck> oh that script
Jan 06 22:51:59 <jwinnebeck> but if it has bashisms
Jan 06 22:52:05 <jwinnebeck> who cares it runs /bin/bash on the elisp-comp
Jan 06 22:52:10 <jwinnebeck> I think
Jan 06 22:52:16 <jwinnebeck> I think it's because emacs is symlinked to jove
Jan 06 22:53:15 <jwinnebeck> it runs this: $EMACS -batch -q -l script -f batch-byte-compile *.el || exit $?
Jan 06 22:53:22 <jwinnebeck> well $EMACS is emacs
Jan 06 22:53:28 <jwinnebeck> and emacs is jove
Jan 06 22:53:49 <jwinnebeck> but emacs isn't a dependency to compile, it can't be
Jan 06 22:54:43 <jwinnebeck> I remove the emacs command it just says emacs not found
Jan 06 22:54:45 <jwinnebeck> I better just install it
Jan 06 22:55:39 <jwinnebeck> the operating system formally known as the text editor emacs...
Jan 06 22:55:45 <CanyonMan> oh no
Jan 06 22:55:48 <CanyonMan> haha
Jan 06 22:55:52 <jwinnebeck> haha sorry chris
Jan 06 22:55:56 <CanyonMan> ah it's ok
Jan 06 22:55:57 <muriani> woglinde: bad news
Jan 06 22:56:01 <jwinnebeck> hey it works now!
Jan 06 22:56:02 <muriani> fails on beagle too.
Jan 06 22:56:04 <jwinnebeck> now I can go home!
Jan 06 22:56:09 <woglinde> jwinnebeck yeah
Jan 06 22:56:14 <woglinde> muriani shit
Jan 06 22:56:18 <jwinnebeck> woglinde: I don't think there was any bashism there just jove -> emacs
Jan 06 22:56:28 <CanyonMan> you realize next time I go to do something and it opens up emacs you're going to hear about it :-)
Jan 06 22:56:28 <woglinde> muriani write to oe-core ml
Jan 06 22:56:34 <muriani> will do.
Jan 06 22:56:36 <jwinnebeck> so blame debian for having /usr/bin/emacs point to jove when emacs is not installed but jove is
Jan 06 22:56:48 <jwinnebeck> CanyonMan: then you can uninstall it :)
Jan 06 22:56:56 <jwinnebeck> Ok I'm going home hopefully this builds
Jan 06 22:57:04 <jwinnebeck> it's way pay time
Jan 06 22:57:06 <jwinnebeck> past
Jan 06 22:59:05 <jwinnebeck> can't believe one needs emacs to compile
Jan 06 22:59:10 <jwinnebeck> also, I hate automake
Jan 06 22:59:12 <jwinnebeck> and make
Jan 06 22:59:25 <jwinnebeck> I switched one project to CMAke years ago I love that when I have to work with C
Jan 06 22:59:50 <woglinde> cmake sucks too
Jan 06 23:00:00 <mru> make is wonderful
Jan 06 23:00:04 <mru> cmakes sucks
Jan 06 23:00:10 <woglinde> gm mru
Jan 06 23:00:19 <jwinnebeck> haha
Jan 06 23:00:20 <jwinnebeck> well
Jan 06 23:00:22 <jwinnebeck> I'm a Java guy
Jan 06 23:00:33 <jwinnebeck> I did C++ for a number of years
Jan 06 23:00:43 <mru> my condolences
Jan 06 23:00:46 <jwinnebeck> haha
Jan 06 23:00:58 <jwinnebeck> I was wondering when I could get a response to that one :)
Jan 06 23:01:08 <jwinnebeck> I thought I was going to be booted just for mentioning it
Jan 06 23:01:24 <jwinnebeck> When the VM works it's very fast
Jan 06 23:01:29 <jwinnebeck> so I will see about shark...
Jan 06 23:01:31 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: I tried building openjdk-6 and I get a failure on readline-native in the install operation
Jan 06 23:01:51 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: well I'll see how far I get
Jan 06 23:01:57 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: do you think I'll get that too?
Jan 06 23:02:13 <woglinde> jsabeaudry ask muriani he hits it too
Jan 06 23:02:22 <jwinnebeck> OK well
Jan 06 23:02:24 <jwinnebeck> we'll see :(
Jan 06 23:03:04 <jwinnebeck> sorry but I gotta go, I'll pop in later or Monday if nothing else 1300-0100 GMT
Jan 06 23:03:14 <aholler> java is fast, runs everwhery and without any errors ;)
Jan 06 23:03:15 <jwinnebeck> err I can't do math
Jan 06 23:03:28 <jwinnebeck> 2200
Jan 06 23:32:56 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 06 23:35:42 <xenland> tutorial should be posted up very soon | bash script for dancing LEDs is almost up
Jan 06 23:57:37 <aholler> now we have tag v3.2 in the stable tree ;)
Jan 07 01:57:25 <ehgeekay> hey all, just got my first beaglebone today and i'm having a little problem connecting to it, anyone have a second?
Jan 07 02:10:21 * mru still hasn't got a second beaglebone
Jan 07 02:56:07 <CanyonMan> did you figure it out?
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Jan 07 03:05:02 <CanyonMan> hm is the default pinmux source file (for the tool) for the bone available somewhere?  it must be
Jan 07 03:32:01 * mranostay hates drive by IRC
Jan 07 03:32:51 <mranostay> CanyonMan: er you mean the kernel or u-boot?
Jan 07 03:33:06 <CanyonMan> Do they both set the pinmux? 
Jan 07 03:34:26 <mranostay> yeah they can
Jan 07 03:34:49 <CanyonMan> i want to do a bit banged uart on a pru
Jan 07 03:35:00 <CanyonMan> i'm trying to figure out what I need to do to get a couple of gpio pins routed there
Jan 07 03:36:25 <xenland> Here is a python script for making the BeagleBone on-board LEDs blink in a row if anyone is interested: http://pastebin.com/hwMfUEGh
Jan 07 03:36:30 <xenland> (You need python installed on the beaglebone)
Jan 07 03:37:20 <xenland> I also made a simpler python script that just blinks one onboard led : http://pastebin.com/US7UaD31
Jan 07 03:37:23 <CanyonMan> the power supply chip TPS65217 is pretty neat.
Jan 07 03:38:27 <xenland> Still trying to figure out how to do custom LED's tho..... 
Jan 07 03:40:35 <CanyonMan> mranostay: can the pinmux be changed on-the-fly ?  Is there a /sys interface or something?
Jan 07 03:41:01 <mranostay> i'm sure there is. i have just haven't run into the need to use it
Jan 07 03:47:41 <xenland> CanyonMan: I believe their what your looking for is the /sys/class/gpio/
Jan 07 03:47:42 <xenland> ?
Jan 07 03:48:19 <xenland> I dunno how to use it yet - let me know if you figure out how to talk to devices with it - much appreciated
Jan 07 03:48:36 <CanyonMan> no, i was looking for pinmux
Jan 07 03:48:42 <CanyonMan> s'ok though
Jan 07 03:48:42 <xenland> pinmux?
Jan 07 03:48:47 <CanyonMan> i'll get back to that later
Jan 07 03:50:37 <xenland> pinmux like turning on/off the pins on Expansion headers?
Jan 07 03:51:02 <xenland> (Im just throwing this out there just in case you haven't seen it yet: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux)
Jan 07 03:51:31 <CanyonMan> ah no i hadn't thanks
Jan 07 03:53:48 <CanyonMan> geeze i wonderif you can even buy the tps65217b in small quantities
Jan 07 04:16:30 <xenland> CanyonMan: is that the arm proccessor going for $5? cuz i've always wondered the same thing
Jan 07 04:16:47 <xenland> Any one know how to access pins 24 & 26 for sending/recieving values?
Jan 07 04:24:25 <ds2>  /sys/class/gpio is the wrong way to handle LEDs
Jan 07 04:24:50 <ds2> use the proper LED driver
Jan 07 04:53:24 <xenland> ds2: Idk if your reffering to me but I'm looking to connect this LCD http://www.4dsystems.com.au/prod.php?id=114 to work with the Beaglebone with pins 24 & 26 assuming UART1_TX and UART1_RX is for this module
Jan 07 04:54:20 <ds2> and?
Jan 07 04:55:46 <xenland> and I'm looking for sending commands to the LCD from the Beaglebone
Jan 07 04:56:25 <xenland> The issue is i can't figure out how to tell linux that i need to use those pins
Jan 07 04:56:40 <xenland> and then send/recieve with those pins
Jan 07 04:56:59 <ds2> did we not go through this a few days ago?
Jan 07 04:56:59 <mranostay> what LCD panel are you using?
Jan 07 04:57:14 <xenland> mranostay: http://www.4dsystems.com.au/prod.php?id=114
Jan 07 04:57:17 <mranostay> heh
Jan 07 04:57:18 <xenland> ds2: I don't think so?
Jan 07 04:58:30 <xenland> ds2: i vaugely remember you throwing out commands at me with little information as to where they go or what they do or how that command related with pin #'s
Jan 07 04:58:34 <ds2> I distinctly remember talking about this a few days ago
Jan 07 04:58:42 <xenland> I thought you were trolling me to be honest
Jan 07 04:58:49 <xenland> thats how vauge it was
Jan 07 05:00:15 <ds2> prehaps someone else can give you a non troll answer then.
Jan 07 05:00:36 <xenland> thats what i'm hoping for
Jan 07 05:01:34 <mranostay> don't look at me it is a Friday night :P
Jan 07 05:01:42 <xenland> lol
Jan 07 05:02:29 <mranostay> not completely sober and look at geiger counter supplies :P
Jan 07 05:03:07 <ds2> need a few kegs?
Jan 07 05:03:28 <mranostay> ds2: what beer? :)
Jan 07 05:06:30 * mranostay thinks he should wait to get a real Fry's to get these parts to build a GeigerBone
Jan 07 05:06:51 <ds2> mranostay: where are you?
Jan 07 05:08:20 <emeb_mac> who's that on my bridge?
Jan 07 05:09:32 <bones_was_here> why is buying a beaglebone subject to american export controls? i could just download the software that comes with it, how dumb can they be :/
Jan 07 05:10:04 <emeb_mac> mranostay: go here: http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/products.asp?dept=1468
Jan 07 05:10:07 <xenland> patents pending?
Jan 07 05:10:59 <bones_was_here> cryptography
Jan 07 05:11:34 <emeb_mac> bones_was_here: US still thinks that we're the only people with high-tech in the world.
Jan 07 05:12:02 <bones_was_here> do governments seriously expect people to take them seriously when they behave like this? do they not realise we can see that they're morons? :/
Jan 07 05:12:45 <emeb_mac> bones_was_here: doesn't matter what we think. They're the ones with the laws, badges & guns.
Jan 07 05:13:19 <bones_was_here> but they dont use them to stop me downloading the same software (yet, anyway)
Jan 07 05:13:41 <emeb_mac> "yet" - operative word. Just you wait.
Jan 07 05:14:19 <emeb_mac> With the ??AA writing the laws & quoting their effectiveness in places like Iran and Syria, we'll get there sooner or later.
Jan 07 05:14:54 <emeb_mac> let's get cynical, cynical...
Jan 07 05:14:55 <bones_was_here> of course mouser assumes i have microsoft word, a printer, and a scanner to fill out their stupid form
Jan 07 05:16:08 <mranostay> bones_was_here: i love my scanner does only JPGs so i did a 4MB scan today....
Jan 07 05:17:18 <bones_was_here> does anyone know a way i can get a beaglebone (australia) without this crap?
Jan 07 05:17:33 <mranostay> crap?
Jan 07 05:17:46 <bones_was_here> yes crap
Jan 07 05:17:49 <mranostay> you can buy mine for $500 :P
Jan 07 05:18:02 <bones_was_here> lol
Jan 07 05:18:43 <bones_was_here> can i buy it without the sd card somehow? i can get one of those and put linux on it locally
Jan 07 05:18:54 <emeb_mac> the free market in action.
Jan 07 05:19:09 <bones_was_here> haha yes, we even supposedly have a free trade agreement with american
Jan 07 05:19:12 <bones_was_here> govt
Jan 07 05:19:12 <mranostay> I toss that crappy Kingston card in trash the second i see it :)
Jan 07 05:19:26 <bones_was_here> which so far only seems to mean we're subject to american patent law and other bullshit
Jan 07 05:20:02 * mranostay is naive to this discussion being an american :P
Jan 07 05:20:33 * emeb_mac has a sister in OZ
Jan 07 05:26:04 <bones_was_here> i'd move overseas except that all the developed countries seem to be anti freedom and anti free software
Jan 07 05:28:26 <mranostay> bones_was_here: just remember it sucks everywhere just places less than others :)
Jan 07 05:28:44 <emeb_mac> better to stay home and try to make it better :)
Jan 07 05:29:05 <bones_was_here> lol i dont see how
Jan 07 05:29:11 <mranostay> yeah maybe i'll believe that when i move out of "Deep South" (tm)
Jan 07 05:29:27 <mranostay> btw a year in the "Deep South" is enough
Jan 07 05:29:43 <emeb_mac> mranostay: where from normally?
Jan 07 05:29:49 <ds2> enough to enjoy grits and greens?
Jan 07 05:29:50 <bones_was_here> a few european countries sound ok but can't really be sure without trying to live there for a while i guess
Jan 07 05:29:52 <mranostay> emeb_mac: Ohio
Jan 07 05:30:01 <mranostay> moving to CA next month
Jan 07 05:30:12 <emeb_mac> mranostay: w00t OH is my birthstate.
Jan 07 05:30:17 <emeb_mac> now in AZ
Jan 07 05:30:22 <mranostay> emeb_mac: cool. what part?
Jan 07 05:30:28 <emeb_mac> home of some craziness ;)
Jan 07 05:30:58 <emeb_mac> Born in Cincinnati. Now live near Phoenix.
Jan 07 05:31:14 <mranostay> i lived my first 24 years near Akron
Jan 07 05:31:28 <emeb_mac> Goodyear! Blimps!
Jan 07 05:31:52 <mranostay> and weirdly one embedded linux startup office :P
Jan 07 05:32:04 <ds2> where is Akron?
Jan 07 05:32:07 <ds2> by the lake?
Jan 07 05:32:07 <emeb_mac> we are legion
Jan 07 05:32:22 <emeb_mac> NE OH
Jan 07 05:32:32 <emeb_mac> almost on OH/PA line
Jan 07 05:32:42 <ds2> Ohhh.
Jan 07 05:32:48 <ds2> NE sounds like close to I90?
Jan 07 05:33:16 <mranostay> Ohio is weird state though
Jan 07 05:33:49 <mranostay> half rednecks and half not :)
Jan 07 05:34:01 <j4son> I went to Ohio once, and left
Jan 07 05:34:23 <emeb_mac> Oh why oh why oh why oh...
Jan 07 05:34:31 <ds2> OH is a nice state
Jan 07 05:34:41 <j4son> emeb_mac: near Nelson Ledges?
Jan 07 05:34:49 <mranostay> i would live in OH if i could be employed :)
Jan 07 05:35:06 <emeb_mac> Akron - original home of Devo!
Jan 07 05:35:07 <mranostay> and no working for insurance company doing .NET stuff doesnt' count
Jan 07 05:35:17 <emeb_mac> ugh!
Jan 07 05:35:21 <mranostay> emeb_mac: that is Kent sir :)
Jan 07 05:35:36 <emeb_mac> Kent St. Univ.
Jan 07 05:35:56 <mranostay> worst campus design ever
Jan 07 05:36:25 <emeb_mac> What's wrong with it?
Jan 07 05:36:25 <mranostay> right only lanes to building... yeah stop me from doing a left...
Jan 07 05:36:35 <mranostay> too spread out
Jan 07 05:36:48 <emeb_mac> Good for you - lots of exercise.
Jan 07 05:37:03 <mranostay> then again i only went to Akron for semester so I'm one to talk :P
Jan 07 05:38:23 <mranostay> funny thing is my company (well kinda) is basically on USA campus.
Jan 07 05:38:46 <emeb_mac> better than Kent?
Jan 07 05:39:25 <mranostay> well Kent is better party school
Jan 07 05:39:36 <mranostay> just watch for stray bullets i guess
Jan 07 05:39:50 <emeb_mac> To be fair that was 40 years ago...
Jan 07 05:40:02 <mranostay> yeah but don't tell Kent that :)
Jan 07 05:40:11 <emeb_mac> "Never Forget"?
Jan 07 05:40:16 <mranostay> pretty much
Jan 07 05:40:29 <mranostay> i can agree to a point....
Jan 07 05:40:36 <mranostay> but then geez 
Jan 07 05:40:39 <emeb_mac> Probably a good thing in the long run, but it can be taken too far.
Jan 07 05:42:42 <emeb_mac> ds2: hooking a SPI LCD to a beaglebone: would you write a kernel driver or just use SPIDEV from userspace?
Jan 07 05:44:20 <mranostay> emeb_mac: have you seen mdp's little demo?
Jan 07 05:44:34 <emeb_mac> mranostay: nope. linky?
Jan 07 05:44:43 <ds2> emeb_mac: definitely write a kernel driver
Jan 07 05:44:50 <ds2> SPI drivers are brain dead simple
Jan 07 05:44:51 <mranostay> https://plus.google.com/108244279740379322507/posts/ECUJg4n73Dj
Jan 07 05:44:59 <ds2> and exporting it as a fb device would let more apps use it
Jan 07 05:45:24 <emeb_mac> mranostay: ty
Jan 07 05:45:53 <emeb_mac> ds2: good point.
Jan 07 05:46:04 <ds2> emeb_mac: graphics?
Jan 07 05:46:10 * emeb_mac makes note to study fb
Jan 07 05:46:17 <emeb_mac> ds2: yes, but very low res
Jan 07 05:46:42 <emeb_mac> 128x64 monochrome.
Jan 07 05:46:48 <ds2> ah
Jan 07 05:46:52 <ds2> is that really a LCD?
Jan 07 05:46:58 <emeb_mac> ;)
Jan 07 05:47:27 <ds2> vs a OLED or electronic ink display
Jan 07 05:48:03 <emeb_mac> And it's probably slow enough that you'd want to carefully manage refreshing.
Jan 07 05:48:20 <ds2> they are painfully slow
Jan 07 05:48:24 <emeb_mac> rather than just propagating every bit set/reset.
Jan 07 05:48:42 <ds2> used something like that on an atmel before
Jan 07 05:49:49 <emeb_mac> yeah - the kind of thing you'd find in a low-end app. But it's what this customer wants...
Jan 07 05:50:05 <ds2> that stuff also appears in high end stuff
Jan 07 05:51:17 <mranostay> yeah iirc mdp said it was at 20fps
Jan 07 05:51:55 <emeb_mac> ds2: this display: http://www.adafruit.com/products/438
Jan 07 05:52:22 <emeb_mac> In living color, sorta.
Jan 07 05:52:42 <mranostay> haven't pulled the trigger on ordering from adafruit
Jan 07 05:52:49 <emeb_mac> ever?
Jan 07 05:53:04 <mranostay> how fast is the shipping?
Jan 07 05:53:13 <emeb_mac> I've bought from them - very responsive. Usually less than 1wk.
Jan 07 05:53:23 <mranostay> note my addres will probably changing in 3 weeks
Jan 07 05:53:32 <mranostay> oh well that isn't bad
Jan 07 05:54:39 <emeb_mac> lots of interesting stuff there, reasonable prices too.
Jan 07 05:55:39 <mranostay> yeah
Jan 07 05:56:32 <mranostay> just waiting for my group buy of capes and a local Fry's :P
Jan 07 05:58:55 <emeb_mac> Got Fry's in AL?
Jan 07 05:59:38 <mranostay> hahahahah :)
Jan 07 06:00:19 <emeb_mac> Furthest east one I know of is in Dallas.
Jan 07 06:00:21 <ds2> Hmmmm
Jan 07 06:00:30 <ds2> There is one in the Chicago area, AFAIK
Jan 07 06:00:38 <ds2> donno if that is further east then Dallas
Jan 07 06:00:42 <emeb_mac> prolly
Jan 07 06:01:21 <mranostay> i'm going to have a hell month coming up. so any little bone project will be backburnered  :)
Jan 07 06:01:24 <emeb_mac> Funny thing though - when you've got 'em in driving distance they aren't so special.
Jan 07 06:01:53 <mranostay> i've been told that :)
Jan 07 06:02:14 <mranostay> all i know is Radio Shack sucks
Jan 07 06:02:55 <mranostay> nothing like rude service when you get only $2 pack of overpriced resistors....
Jan 07 06:02:55 <emeb_mac> someone pointed out that RS now carries arduino shields.
Jan 07 06:03:02 <mranostay> really?
Jan 07 06:03:15 <emeb_mac> yeah - whoda thunk it?
Jan 07 06:03:33 <mranostay> haven't been in  RS in 3-4 years i
Jan 07 06:03:37 <mranostay> 'll admit
Jan 07 06:04:53 <bones_was_here> wtf the export control form even asks for my social security number. HAHAHAHAHAHA morons! only americans have SSNs, and if i was american, surely i wouldn't be requried to do this shit? FFFFFUUUUUUUU
Jan 07 06:05:44 <bones_was_here> repeat question: does anyone know a way i can get a beaglebone either without the software or from somewhere that isn't america?
Jan 07 06:05:44 <mranostay> 123-45-6789 :P
Jan 07 06:06:24 <mranostay> i'm sure there is a way
Jan 07 06:06:36 <mranostay> or may i'm a naive american :/
Jan 07 06:06:56 <emeb_mac> bones_was_here: this happened when original BB first came out. Eventually they got it sorted.
Jan 07 06:07:42 <emeb_mac> bones_was_here: you could also try ordering from Specialcomp.com - they might not have the same export issues.
Jan 07 06:07:54 <bones_was_here> i notice my credit card has already been charged, even though all they've sent me so far is this bullshit form
Jan 07 06:08:40 <bones_was_here> ah cheers site looks promising, ill try that next time
Jan 07 06:08:49 * emeb_mac notes a tenuous business relationship with specialcomp. FYI
Jan 07 06:10:11 <mranostay> heh of course they charge the  credit card first :)
Jan 07 06:10:30 <emeb_mac> mranostay: naive american vs native american. :P
Jan 07 06:11:02 <mranostay> (remebers an for an item that was 6 month backorder he had a precharge for the whole time)...
Jan 07 06:11:12 <bones_was_here> what is a federal ID or a Dun?
Jan 07 06:11:59 <mranostay> emeb_mac: naive unless their are native american from Slovakia or  Germany :P
Jan 07 06:12:17 <emeb_mac> bones_was_here: only applies to US businesses
Jan 07 06:12:34 <mranostay> bones_was_here: fly me out to .au i'll lose a Bone in your flat :P 
Jan 07 06:12:42 <bones_was_here> seriously? then wtf are they asking for it on an export form for, OBVIOUSLY im not american :(
Jan 07 06:13:01 <emeb_mac> Overseas US subsidiary?
Jan 07 06:13:11 <bones_was_here> every day i seem to find a new reason for hating humanity a little more :(
Jan 07 06:13:18 <mranostay> does the bone have some secret crypto chip?
Jan 07 06:13:32 <bones_was_here> i suspect all it has is openssl preinstalled :(
Jan 07 06:13:48 <emeb_mac> mranostay: there may be some crypto in there. Or it could just be concentrated evil.
Jan 07 06:14:15 <emeb_mac> fwiw - yes RS has Arduino: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12268262
Jan 07 06:16:31 <emeb_mac> mranostay: you with Mentor?
Jan 07 06:19:27 <mranostay> i cannot confirm or deny that in here :)
Jan 07 06:19:45 * emeb_mac just looked on g+
Jan 07 06:20:10 <mranostay> ah do'h :)
Jan 07 06:20:12 * emeb_mac uses Modelsim extensively.
Jan 07 06:20:59 <ds2> hahahahahahahahaahahahah
Jan 07 06:21:06 <mranostay> well in that case yes :)
Jan 07 06:21:15 <ds2> Modelsim?
Jan 07 06:21:29 <emeb_mac> yep. got a problem with that fella? :)
Jan 07 06:21:36 <ds2> I mean what is that
Jan 07 06:21:54 <emeb_mac> Oh - Verilog/VHDL simulator.
Jan 07 06:22:12 <ds2> ah
Jan 07 06:25:50 <emeb_mac> ds2: looking at putting an Actel Igloo FPGA on a cape...
Jan 07 06:43:57 <leslie__> Hi, how to set zorder of overlay0,overlay1 and overlay2 on beagle xm?
Jan 07 06:44:29 <leslie__> I want overlay0 on top of overlay1, but there is no 'zorder' property in /sys folder...
Jan 07 06:45:42 <ds2> emeb_mac: that might ne nice... put in pads for some DRAM too?
Jan 07 06:46:38 <emeb_mac> ds2: not that big - there's a low-end part in a 48-pin CSP. Good for simple stuff like routing & formatting.
Jan 07 06:46:57 <ds2> why not a bigger one to allow for uClinux?
Jan 07 06:48:20 <emeb_mac> put simply - not needed for this app, don't want the cost.
Jan 07 06:48:47 <perter-jim> hi 
Jan 07 06:48:49 <ds2> oh I see
Jan 07 06:49:26 <perter-jim> I hava a OMAP dss problem
Jan 07 06:49:37 <perter-jim> somebody help me
Jan 07 06:49:41 <perter-jim> thanks
Jan 07 06:49:50 <perter-jim> http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/447/t/31366.aspx
Jan 07 07:01:11 <mranostay> ok 1a probably should attempt  to sleep
Jan 07 07:57:45 <koen> sakoman_: please send patches to the meta-ti list :)
Jan 07 11:44:46 <Patrick2012> hi may I ask if there is any bluetooth/wifi module that is totally compatible with BeagleBoard-xM??
Jan 07 12:10:20 <joelagnel> Patrick2012, there is a Beagleboard wifi expansion module, http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/5370010264/
Jan 07 12:45:22 <xenland> Tutorial for playing with BeagleBones onboard LEDS with Python www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV9VToC2UhA
Jan 07 12:50:06 <zuh> Heh, always adds a pro-feeling when there's a messaging window in the video that contains the words like "dicking".
Jan 07 13:24:36 <mdp> lol, yes, nice candid screenshot
Jan 07 13:33:10 <mdp> mranostay, when you get back, I'm working on an ST7568 driver for a customer so I ordered one of those adafruit ST7564 displays too as they can live in the same driver..if you want something that works in that family
Jan 07 13:48:50 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 13:50:15 <Patrick2012> hello, is anyone there? :) 
Jan 07 13:51:49 <sakoman_> koen: I'll send patches after I get it building on 3.2 also
Jan 07 13:52:55 <sakoman_> koen: I suspect that 35XX will be broken there too since something seems flawed in the ES2.1 and ES3.1 customizations
Jan 07 13:53:28 <mdp> sakoman_, is this specific to sgx usage still?
Jan 07 13:53:40 <sakoman_> mdp: yes
Jan 07 13:54:02 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 13:54:55 <sakoman_> mdp: with recent SDKs I find 37XX support works, 35XX ES2.1 is unstable, and 35XX ES3.1 crashes on launch of any sgx demo
Jan 07 13:55:28 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 13:56:13 <mdp> sakoman_: I suspect that our team only has ES2.1 then..if that got through testing..since running those demos is a standard part of testing, of course
Jan 07 13:56:24 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 13:56:55 <mdp> sakoman_: I've learned that we often don't have the latest silicon :(
Jan 07 13:57:13 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 13:57:13 <mdp> as is the case with 180x atm
Jan 07 13:57:29 <sakoman_> mdp: If they tested on ES2.1 then it was only for a few seconds
Jan 07 13:57:47 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 13:57:48 <mdp> let me see what's in the bug db
Jan 07 13:57:50 <sakoman_> mdp: after a short while the rendering begins to stutter and then eventually freezes
Jan 07 13:57:53 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 13:58:03 <dm8tbr> Patrick2012: stfu
Jan 07 13:58:36 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 13:59:16 <dm8tbr> Patrick2012: you shutting up will be appreciated even more, thank you.
Jan 07 13:59:21 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 13:59:28 <mdp> sakoman_: interesting..yeah, I'm generally on customer specific stuffs so I didn't pay attention to all the sdk release excitement…need to dig
Jan 07 13:59:42 <koen> sakoman_: I fixed a bug for ES3 recently
Jan 07 13:59:51 <koen> (well chase fixed it, I rediffed the fix)
Jan 07 14:00:04 <koen> the sgx-rework branch has it
Jan 07 14:00:23 <sakoman_> koen: I used your latest recipe n the sgx-rework branch
Jan 07 14:00:30 <koen> sakoman_: x11 support is missing, I'll look into that next week
Jan 07 14:01:00 <sakoman_> koen: OK, ping me when you have something to test
Jan 07 14:01:04 <koen> will do
Jan 07 14:01:32 <sakoman_> I have a client that bought 1000 3530's and they are quite upset about sgx not working!
Jan 07 14:01:55 <mdp> sakoman_: some of the bug descriptions I'm seeing are not very detailed so far :) "soemtimes 3d demos fail to run on beagleboard and am37x-evm"
Jan 07 14:01:55 * koen is itching to reduce ES2, ES3, ES5, ES6 and ES8 to sgx530-103, sgx530-121, sgx530-125
Jan 07 14:02:21 <koen> since that's what it's about for userspace: sgx core revision
Jan 07 14:02:42 <koen> for kernel modules you need a different memorymap for virtually every ES revision
Jan 07 14:03:11 <mdp> sakoman_: what does the crash look like?
Jan 07 14:03:43 <sakoman_> instant, complete lockup of the processor requiring a hard reset
Jan 07 14:03:54 <mdp> ok, checking some more
Jan 07 14:03:57 <sakoman_> no messages on console
Jan 07 14:04:29 <sakoman_> that is ES3.1, ES2.1 behaves as I mentioned above
Jan 07 14:04:51 <koen> sakoman_: plan B is not using the SDK and doing a custom build from source
Jan 07 14:05:19 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 14:05:19 <Patrick2012> hi, does anyone knows how to install personal file sharing on angstrom?? Your help will be greatly appreciated! :) 
Jan 07 14:05:24 <aholler> is the channel still without an owner?
Jan 07 14:05:38 <koen> Patrick2012: dude, ask once, not 11 times
Jan 07 14:05:44 <sakoman_> Patrick2012: If someone knows the answer they will respond
Jan 07 14:06:03 <mdp> sakoman_: ok, somehow nothing like that is reported. since I do nothing even remotely related to sgx stuff..give me an example of a demo I can run on the SDK to reproduce..
Jan 07 14:06:03 <koen> aholler: yes, you know how much red tape freenode throws up
Jan 07 14:06:11 <sakoman_> Patrick2012: if you keep asking the same question you will anoy people and no on will respond
Jan 07 14:06:24 <mdp> sakoman_, I'll try here and file a critical bug…that might help to get the graphics team to do something
Jan 07 14:06:27 <aholler> I thought dm8tbr managed it to give jkridner ownership
Jan 07 14:06:35 <sakoman_> mdp: run ChameleonMan demo
Jan 07 14:06:40 <mdp> simple enough
Jan 07 14:06:53 <koen> blech
Jan 07 14:07:06 <koen> I wish I had time to sit down with Prabu and work through the list of issues
Jan 07 14:07:28 <koen> or Prathab
Jan 07 14:07:53 <mdp> koen, I figure if I can just put something in WEBS as critical for a hard failure like this, it'll generate pressure
Jan 07 14:08:12 <mdp> plus I can poke chalmers that it's serious stuff
Jan 07 14:08:15 <koen> right
Jan 07 14:08:27 <mdp> he cares when stuff doesn't work
Jan 07 14:08:47 <mdp> and has the ability to berate them in all those meetings
Jan 07 14:08:53 <koen> in the past my line always was "biggest EMEA customer needs..."
Jan 07 14:08:53 <aholler> who buys an omap to use the included graphics framework? ;)
Jan 07 14:09:07 <koen> being in the field has its perks
Jan 07 14:11:15 <dm8tbr> aholler: nope, I poked some opers but apparently nada
Jan 07 14:11:35 <aholler> dm8tbr: are they unable to do that or are they unwilling?
Jan 07 14:12:25 <dm8tbr> aholler: no idea, I have the feeling, that it's lost in the process somewhere
Jan 07 14:26:31 * mranostay waves
Jan 07 17:05:50 <sabesto> Hello, i'm looking to set up a wireless access point with a beagleboard, it would have to serve 60 clients, would this be possible?
Jan 07 17:12:16 <sabesto> back in 40 min
Jan 07 18:12:53 <dm8tbr> sabesto: no
Jan 07 18:17:19 <sabesto> dm8tbr: hehe, no as in no way? :P
Jan 07 18:17:50 <sabesto> it must run apache tomcat, and serve that locally, connection to the internet is not required
Jan 07 18:18:45 <dm8tbr> sabesto: AP requires good wifi chipset and with the only option being USB, that would suck beyond belief
Jan 07 18:18:58 <dm8tbr> tomcat? this stuff is memory hungry...
Jan 07 18:20:44 <dm8tbr> from my point of view: unlikely, even if you'd outsource the wifi to a real AP and just run the tomcat server
Jan 07 18:20:49 <dm8tbr> but you can ofc try
Jan 07 18:23:02 <sabesto> dm8tbr: to be honest, i dont know how or what tomcat is
Jan 07 18:23:21 <sabesto> ive been involved in a project where we need a mobile tomcat server
Jan 07 18:23:39 <sabesto> maybe a beagleboard with a router will to it
Jan 07 18:23:52 <sabesto> i doubt tomcat will run on a router
Jan 07 18:24:03 <dm8tbr> if you don't need blazing performance, you can try a BB
Jan 07 18:24:13 <unreal-dude> iirc tomcat loves gigs of ram
Jan 07 18:24:19 <sabesto> its a student response system
Jan 07 18:24:35 <sabesto> they connect with smartphones and aswer questions and such
Jan 07 18:24:58 <sabesto> this will be meant for schools that dont have proper internet
Jan 07 18:25:03 <unreal-dude> if you need tomcat, i would suggest a router with a laptop as the server
Jan 07 18:25:05 <sabesto> err, wify
Jan 07 18:25:21 <dm8tbr> yes, I'd probably go with such too
Jan 07 18:26:23 <sabesto> this will be sold for no profit, but it has to be simple and portable
Jan 07 18:26:48 <sabesto> and already set up to work
Jan 07 18:27:31 <dm8tbr> you could try a pandaboard, there you'd at least have about a gig of RAM
Jan 07 18:27:38 <dm8tbr> and a dual-core cpu
Jan 07 18:28:10 <dm8tbr> it also comes with wifi on board, but I don't know how well that works
Jan 07 18:28:46 <sabesto> hmm, i'll look into that
Jan 07 18:29:24 <sabesto> well, intel atom could be an option too
Jan 07 18:29:49 <sabesto> i was looking at the beagle for its size, the pandaboard looks bigger
Jan 07 18:30:27 <dm8tbr> not much really
Jan 07 18:31:36 <sabesto> god damn, someone forgot their dress and i need to bring it, afk again
Jan 07 19:02:48 <aholler> just forget tomcat
Jan 07 19:03:34 <aholler> or us a laptop, laptops are mobile too ;)
Jan 07 19:33:49 <delboy> brandnew beaglebone and all I'm getting is the power led and 'CCCCC' on /dev/ttyUSB1 any ideas ?
Jan 07 19:37:31 <mranostay> delboy: SD card in? :)
Jan 07 19:38:22 <delboy> yep - with latest Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.12-core-beaglebone-2011.12.26.img.gz
Jan 07 19:39:45 <sabesto> aholler: i cant forget tomcat :P
Jan 07 19:40:39 <sabesto> aholler: the server is being coded by a company as we speak. this is a side project.
Jan 07 19:41:21 <sabesto> i'm just checking whats possible, but i cant see why a pandaboard cant run tomcat
Jan 07 20:05:54 <aholler> sabesto: maybe you should ask the company in question what runtime requirements (cpu/ram) they have.
Jan 07 20:11:59 <sabesto> aholler: yes, there will be a meeting
Jan 07 20:13:24 <jay6981> the java developers will always tell you it needs a nahelem supercomputer with 128GB of RAM
Jan 07 20:13:38 <jay6981> they can't be bothered to think about things like memory management
Jan 07 20:13:55 <aholler> exactly thats the reason why he should ask them ;)
Jan 07 20:15:48 <aholler> And I'm sure they need, besides tomcat, a db in dimensions you will need to lift several kg for the hds ;)
Jan 07 20:17:31 <jay6981> of course. they have to have tables that contain the history of every attribute of every object they've ever instantiated :)
Jan 07 20:23:19 <aholler> but for the 60 clients, I think that could be possible, assuming the traffic they generate is just something like fetching a simple! web page, which is unlikely if they need tomcat ;)
Jan 07 21:27:39 <robin_sz> so when busybox/top report process size, is that in kilobytes?
Jan 07 21:29:22 <joel-afk> top displays everything in kb
Jan 07 21:30:19 <robin_sz> oh
Jan 07 21:30:47 <robin_sz> so 20072 is 20mb
Jan 07 21:31:19 <robin_sz> then how can Mem: 12756K used be right?
Jan 07 21:37:11 <robin_sz> 20mb seems an awful lot, I can see I will have to run some sort of profiler
Jan 07 21:43:50 <robin_sz> weird ... on a 386 I get VmData:      176 kB,  on arm9 VmSize:    20072 kB
Jan 07 21:44:14 <robin_sz> oops, VmData:    16576 kB
Jan 07 21:44:35 <robin_sz> I wonder where the extra 16mb came from?
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Jan 08 03:07:59 <rlmccormick> noob question: when you build the linux kernel using the instructions on the angstrom website is it downloading the sources as needed and then deleting them afterwards?
Jan 08 06:09:17 <doublebeta> Welp. My beagle refuses to do anything when powered via DC power jack.
Jan 08 06:09:22 <doublebeta> The USB light only glows
Jan 08 06:09:41 <doublebeta> Boots from miniUSB, but Linux draws too much power and it dies that way
Jan 08 06:09:48 <doublebeta> (runs DB/UX fine tho!)
Jan 08 06:10:24 <unreal-dude> maybe your not giving it enough current?
Jan 08 06:11:11 <doublebeta> 5V 3A adapter
Jan 08 06:11:25 <doublebeta> It used to work, so I bought a new adapter, but nope, still does nothing
Jan 08 06:11:35 <doublebeta> I tested the adapter
Jan 08 06:11:37 <unreal-dude> well, i would hope thats enough crrent :)
Jan 08 06:11:46 <unreal-dude> 5V on the old one?
Jan 08 06:11:58 <doublebeta> Yep, both 5V
Jan 08 06:12:02 <unreal-dude> odd
Jan 08 06:12:05 <doublebeta> and they're brand new switchmodes
Jan 08 06:12:15 <doublebeta> I checked they both put out 5V
Jan 08 06:12:25 <unreal-dude> does it run on the old one?
Jan 08 06:12:28 <doublebeta> And the new one puts out at least 2A, thru resistor+meter
Jan 08 06:12:30 <doublebeta> No
Jan 08 06:12:34 <doublebeta> Doesn't run on the old one
Jan 08 06:12:49 <doublebeta> The old adapter's voltage swings really low when it goes about 200mA or so
Jan 08 06:13:06 <doublebeta> It probably got powerspik'd :<
Jan 08 06:13:09 <doublebeta> *spike'd
Jan 08 06:13:24 <unreal-dude> think it was connected to the beagle when that happened?
Jan 08 06:13:35 <doublebeta> I haven't a clue
Jan 08 06:13:54 <doublebeta> It stopped working while I was devving, so it was always in and out of the beagle
Jan 08 06:13:55 <unreal-dude> does the regulator get hotter than normal?
Jan 08 06:13:59 <doublebeta> Nope
Jan 08 06:14:03 <doublebeta> no heat anywhere on board
Jan 08 06:14:08 <doublebeta> nor in the plugpack
Jan 08 06:14:15 <unreal-dude> i have no idear then
Jan 08 06:14:19 <unreal-dude> :(
Jan 08 06:14:22 <doublebeta> yeah ;_;
Jan 08 06:14:26 <doublebeta> Thanks unreal-dude <3
Jan 08 06:15:04 <doublebeta> Well, I can atleast execute my assembly OS, but I suppose if I reconf'd the clock to go higher even that wouldn't work
Jan 08 06:53:53 <_av500_> gm
Jan 08 08:19:14 <joelagnel> doublebeta, I've seen my beagle die as well with resister + meter, the voltage could possibly be too much across the resistor causing the PMIC to shutdown
Jan 08 08:20:00 <joelagnel> since you're saying it happens while booting, it makes sense that the high current draw would cause a high voltage drop enough to shut it down
Jan 08 08:20:37 <joelagnel> *resistor
Jan 08 08:22:28 <doublebeta> No no, I tested the power supply in another circuit
Jan 08 08:22:39 <doublebeta> The beagle didn't touch the resistor + meter thing
Jan 08 08:23:08 <doublebeta> Via power supply, the beagle does NOTHING
Jan 08 08:23:17 <doublebeta> using usb-otg for power, it partially boots :)
Jan 08 08:23:37 <doublebeta> But of course USB-otg can only supply 500mA, 750mA peak..
Jan 08 08:25:35 <dm8tbr> something in the path from the barrel connector got fried then?
Jan 08 08:46:40 <_av500_> seems so
Jan 08 08:46:53 <_av500_> multimeter and trace it
Jan 08 08:47:18 <_av500_> doublebeta: you can also power more over usb, inject 5V 1A on usb VBUS
Jan 08 08:47:37 <_av500_> and cut the VBUS line to the upstream hub port
Jan 08 08:54:03 <doublebeta> _av500_: :o that's an idea
Jan 08 08:54:06 <doublebeta> I'll try that tomorrow
Jan 08 08:54:13 <doublebeta> parents are asleep already >_<
Jan 08 09:01:56 <_av500_> party time!
Jan 08 09:07:43 <ds2> the switch on the connector might be AFU
Jan 08 09:07:56 <ds2> check that and the power path routing switch
Jan 08 09:56:28 <ds2> Hmmmm the bone isn't really ammendable to video and audio output
Jan 08 11:18:11 <_av500_> ds2: hint: use an XM
Jan 08 13:18:40 <manish> hi all
Jan 08 13:40:47 <truls> hey folks
Jan 08 13:42:21 <truls> just got my new beagle bone, and seem to have managed to break it already, it stopped powering up after playing with the user leds a bit
Jan 08 13:42:44 <truls> last thing i did was echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/beaglebone\:\:usr1/brightness
Jan 08 13:42:50 <truls> and then it died...
Jan 08 13:43:49 <truls> im so far assuming that it dying isn't related to the leds though... just seems to improbable
Jan 08 13:45:14 <truls> right now, if i connect to a usb power source, it blinks the power led once, and then goes dark. im pretty much a newb on the platform, so are there any debugging possibilities at a stage like this that anyone can recommend?
Jan 08 13:45:30 <truls> my current google-fu hasn't been good enough
Jan 08 13:53:23 <aholler> I don't know anything about the leds or the bone, but does the serial appear?
Jan 08 13:53:39 <truls> the device is completely dead
Jan 08 13:53:44 <truls> no leds are on
Jan 08 13:55:08 <truls> no communication via usb
Jan 08 13:56:38 <aholler> maybe you usb-port shut down because of overcurrent
Jan 08 13:57:27 <dm8tbr> I'd try powering it from a power supply instead
Jan 08 13:58:21 <aholler> truls: check the logs of the machine you connected the bone to
Jan 08 13:59:15 <truls> i tried powering it from a apple-style usb-charge block
Jan 08 13:59:35 <truls> that gives you a usb-plug to put straight into a powerstrip
Jan 08 14:00:32 <truls> seems final dmesg message on my macbook air is: USBF:56605.  1AppleUSBHubPort[0x6ecee00]::FatalError - Port 2 of Hub at 0x24100000 reported error 0xe00002ed while doing get status (first in port status change)
Jan 08 14:01:03 <rlmccormick> when you build the linux kernel using the instructions on the angstrom website is it downloading the sources as needed and then deleting them afterwards? i'm having some trouble locating where the kernel sources are after the build
Jan 08 14:01:58 <truls> aholler: yeah, that's what i first thought, but no warnings on the host computer (which it usually does in cases like that), and no problems when connecting straight to a power socket via a usb-block
Jan 08 14:02:09 <truls> (sorry, not sure what they're called)
Jan 08 14:07:53 <truls> i guess unless i can revive it with a direct 5V connection (assuming there is a problem in the usb-part of the power supply circuit), there's not much to do except try to return the device...
Jan 08 14:08:14 <truls> at least i had some fun playing with the user leds before it died ;)
Jan 08 14:08:35 <aholler> not sure if apple-usb-foo is std-compliant.
Jan 08 14:09:00 <truls> true
Jan 08 14:09:25 <aholler> I don't think so, they have a solution with more power or such
Jan 08 14:09:45 <zumipin> yeah they tend to provide more current on some ports than necessary
Jan 08 14:10:02 <aholler> anyway, you might ask later when the us awakes or tomorrow when people are working
Jan 08 14:11:02 <truls> tried connecting to usb port of a stationary pc with same result
Jan 08 14:11:17 <truls> aholler: thanks, will try, hard to align japanese time with us ;)
Jan 08 14:12:01 <dm8tbr> truls: I'd really recommend to use the barrel connector instead and a proper 5V power supply
Jan 08 14:12:51 <truls> dm8tbr: thanks, i'll try that
Jan 08 16:12:09 <jkridner> aholler: I own #beagleboard.  If we can all move over there, we'll have moderation when needed.
Jan 08 17:21:47 <tlab> jkridner, there is a beaglebone google group that's awaiting your invite to manage the group
Jan 08 17:23:18 <mranostay> morning everyone!
Jan 08 17:31:43 <aholler> jkridner: impossible ;)
Jan 08 17:47:22 <aholler> hmm, either I've made a mistake or CONFIG_ARM_PATCH_PHYS_VIRT doesn't work with the crap original-pathced-uboot of my dockstar
Jan 08 17:48:26 <aholler> hmm, no, it isn't the original, it's an oldone I've patched ;)
Jan 08 19:56:03 <jwinnebeck> hey woglinde are you around?
Jan 08 20:08:21 <woglinde> winnebeck now
Jan 08 20:08:24 <woglinde> but only short
Jan 08 20:08:34 <jwinnebeck> Oh hi. I tried to build openjdk-6
Jan 08 20:08:35 <woglinde> hm and I saw finally icedtea 1.11 was released
Jan 08 20:08:52 <jwinnebeck> I get an error about missing glibj.zip, let me run to get it
Jan 08 20:08:53 <woglinde> whats the problem?
Jan 08 20:09:00 <woglinde> thats fixed since today
Jan 08 20:09:01 <woglinde> pull
Jan 08 20:09:04 <jwinnebeck> I traced it to the makefile so...
Jan 08 20:09:06 <jwinnebeck> oh ok
Jan 08 20:09:30 <jwinnebeck> "No such file or directory" while trying to open /usr/share/classpath/glibj.zip. it's because the --with-classpath-install-root or whatever wasn't right but I wasn't sure how to fix
Jan 08 20:09:33 <jwinnebeck> I will try a pull
Jan 08 20:09:37 <woglinde> yes
Jan 08 20:09:50 <woglinde> I didnt saw, because I have classpath natively installed
Jan 08 20:10:04 <jwinnebeck> yeah it tried to go to my / and not the angrstrom root
Jan 08 20:10:10 <woglinde> and than I made some typos, why fixing it
Jan 08 20:10:14 <woglinde> but now all should be fine
Jan 08 20:10:50 <jwinnebeck> oh I see you edited jamvm.inc I did look at that file
Jan 08 20:11:36 <jwinnebeck> it looked reasonable to me at the time. I didn't know anything about bitbake to make it run configure again
Jan 08 20:11:47 <jwinnebeck> hey it appears to be running
Jan 08 20:11:59 <jwinnebeck> awesome it worked (is working still...)
Jan 08 20:12:29 <jwinnebeck> I realized until just now I forgot to put all of those env vars into local.conf you pastbin'd to me, I just added them I hope it didn't mess anything up before this point
Jan 08 20:12:29 <woglinde> jwinnebeck hm bitbake is nice tool
Jan 08 20:12:44 <woglinde> but needs some time to get common with all its featuers
Jan 08 20:12:46 <jwinnebeck> Yeah this is the first time ever for me to use git or bitbake
Jan 08 20:12:54 <woglinde> hehe
Jan 08 20:13:01 <jwinnebeck> I just rtfm'd on pull, I did it in sources/meta-java
Jan 08 20:13:06 <woglinde> use git pull --rebase
Jan 08 20:13:10 <woglinde> always
Jan 08 20:13:13 <jwinnebeck> I didn't do --rebase is that bad?
Jan 08 20:13:27 <woglinde> if you have local changes
Jan 08 20:13:33 <woglinde> they will get to the top
Jan 08 20:13:49 <jwinnebeck> what happens to my local mods if I don't --rebase
Jan 08 20:13:58 <jwinnebeck> Well
Jan 08 20:14:14 <jwinnebeck> Maybe I should just read up on all of git sometime, I've used svn/cvs/vss for years it can't be too far off
Jan 08 20:14:26 <woglinde> hehe
Jan 08 20:14:29 <jwinnebeck> I understand generally some of the git concepts
Jan 08 20:14:29 <woglinde> it differs
Jan 08 20:14:37 <woglinde> you branch locally
Jan 08 20:14:41 <woglinde> and thats really cool
Jan 08 20:14:44 <woglinde> you stash
Jan 08 20:14:46 <jwinnebeck> anyway, it is still building, thanks woglinde hopefully it works
Jan 08 20:14:55 <woglinde> to quick go back to your last commit
Jan 08 20:15:12 <jwinnebeck> yeah I saw that the instructions made me make a branch
Jan 08 20:15:21 <jwinnebeck> I know git lets you make branches on other people's repos
Jan 08 20:15:22 <woglinde> stash?
Jan 08 20:15:23 <woglinde> no
Jan 08 20:15:24 <jwinnebeck> so I can commit locally
Jan 08 20:15:43 <jwinnebeck> does that allow me to make changes then I pull but never push but it keeps my changes?
Jan 08 20:16:05 <jwinnebeck> of course if I did something good I should do a "push request" I've heard that term but don't know how to apply it :)
Jan 08 20:17:35 <woglinde> lol
Jan 08 20:17:43 <woglinde> better read some tutorials before
Jan 08 20:18:09 <jwinnebeck> yeah I've read before but it didn't stick since I never used git, I read them just to get the general ideas to see if I wanted to switch from svn at work
Jan 08 20:18:22 <jwinnebeck> it looks like git doesn't offer a bunch if you are on small team and not doing open source
Jan 08 20:18:37 <jwinnebeck> but git seems like you REALLY want it if you do open source and want others to contribute
Jan 08 20:18:47 <woglinde> ???
Jan 08 20:18:49 <jwinnebeck> so it seems awesome fit for kernel and exactly things like this
Jan 08 20:18:52 <jwinnebeck> like Angstrom
Jan 08 20:18:56 <woglinde> even for a small teams its okay
Jan 08 20:19:06 <woglinde> merging branches is super
Jan 08 20:19:06 <jwinnebeck> Yeah good, but I mean not worth the switch
Jan 08 20:19:19 <woglinde> on svn it suckz you have to commit every shit
Jan 08 20:19:21 <jwinnebeck> we don't branch often and we are always connected to server
Jan 08 20:19:35 <jwinnebeck> and normally not more than 1-2 work in the same project at the same time
Jan 08 20:19:35 <woglinde> if you dont want to loose it
Jan 08 20:19:54 <woglinde> on  git you can squash commits together and so on ..
Jan 08 20:20:11 <jwinnebeck> yeah and you can use git against a svn too
Jan 08 20:20:20 <woglinde> yes that too
Jan 08 20:20:26 <jwinnebeck> I just haven't hit the tipping point yet
Jan 08 20:20:44 <jwinnebeck> we have a lot of integration with svn with scripts and tools and also Trac (bugtracker/wiki/svn browser)
Jan 08 20:20:51 <jwinnebeck> yes I know Trac can work with git, too... etc
Jan 08 20:22:24 <jwinnebeck> when I get to the point that I want to make my own ipks, is it worthwhile to do anything with bitbake or should I just make my own
Jan 08 20:22:32 <jwinnebeck> afaic, ipk==deb
Jan 08 20:22:47 <jwinnebeck> The documentation says that deb > ipk, but nothing explaining what is missing and I've seen nothing missing yet
Jan 08 20:23:57 <jwinnebeck> most of the debs we make are Java and are built with Maven... So I'm thinking I can just rename deb to ipk and use opkg instead
Jan 08 20:24:06 <jwinnebeck> before we were using busybox dpkg, which is horrific
Jan 08 20:25:39 <woglinde> jwinnebeck you make debs?
Jan 08 20:25:40 <woglinde> hehe
Jan 08 20:25:50 <woglinde> my company makes a maven packaging plugin
Jan 08 20:25:54 <woglinde> opensource of course
Jan 08 20:26:14 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I first made debs with dpkg-deb
Jan 08 20:26:16 <woglinde> -> https://evolvis.org/projects/mvn-pkg-plugin/
Jan 08 20:26:18 <jwinnebeck> and other native tools
Jan 08 20:26:24 <jwinnebeck> then I tried pretty much every maven plugin
Jan 08 20:26:27 <jwinnebeck> in the end I made my own
Jan 08 20:26:37 <jwinnebeck> and implemented a pure-java deb/tar/ar
Jan 08 20:26:44 <woglinde> ouch
Jan 08 20:26:52 <jwinnebeck> well it only took me a couple days
Jan 08 20:26:58 <jwinnebeck> I used the tar/ar from ant
Jan 08 20:27:07 <jwinnebeck> and I knew deb very well
Jan 08 20:27:12 <woglinde> okay
Jan 08 20:27:19 <jwinnebeck> I can't remember if I tried this plugin you have
Jan 08 20:27:33 <woglinde> it still is not perfect
Jan 08 20:27:39 <woglinde> but works for most stuff
Jan 08 20:27:44 <jwinnebeck> yeah I didn't try to do the depends via map stuff like that does
Jan 08 20:27:47 <woglinde> and the clue is it resloves the deps
Jan 08 20:27:50 <jwinnebeck> we were building for custom linux
Jan 08 20:28:04 <jwinnebeck> so it was much simpler
Jan 08 20:28:05 <woglinde> rpm works now good too
Jan 08 20:28:19 <jwinnebeck> so what is the difference between ipk and deb?
Jan 08 20:28:27 <woglinde> hm project side needs some updates
Jan 08 20:28:29 <jwinnebeck> it looks like for simple debs I Can just rename .deb to .ipk and call it down
Jan 08 20:28:36 <jwinnebeck> down -> done
Jan 08 20:28:43 <woglinde> yes
Jan 08 20:28:46 <jwinnebeck> ok...
Jan 08 20:28:55 <jwinnebeck> I couldn't find any real reference on ipk
Jan 08 20:30:07 <jwinnebeck> ok unfortunately I have to go shortly, I will let you know when I see you again maybe Monday how the build went, and if it did, how shark runs
Jan 08 22:15:08 <Dhut> hi everybody
Jan 08 22:15:41 <Dhut> is anybody used opencv on Beagleboard xm?
Jan 08 22:41:24 <jwinnebeck> woglinde: if you're there; qemu-native failed to compile because it's missing libGL, libGLU and SDL.h, but it is looking for them in /usr not in a path in my build, which I find odd. It told me Ubuntu packages to install but wouldn't I want to compile against mesa from angstrom not whatever happens to be in my Ubuntu?
Jan 08 22:41:53 <jwinnebeck> I didn't find these files in my build root so it has not compiled them first for sure
Jan 08 22:42:26 <woglinde> jwinnebeck you need the dev packages
Jan 08 22:42:36 <jwinnebeck> Not that I can understand really why I care about qemu on the target though...
Jan 08 22:42:51 <jwinnebeck> yeah, I can install the dev packages of course to get those files... but that seems odd?
Jan 08 22:42:58 <woglinde> we need it to generate some files
Jan 08 22:42:58 <jwinnebeck> Wouldn't I want the files from the target?
Jan 08 22:43:08 <jwinnebeck> ok... I'll install them
Jan 08 22:43:41 <woglinde> in the build process of openjdk
Jan 08 22:43:42 <jwinnebeck> I figure it would have made it deal with it but it didn't seem right
Jan 08 22:43:54 <jwinnebeck> you'd think that you'd want to build your own mesa and SDL and use those
Jan 08 22:44:00 <Dhut> Opencv programs  on Beagle Board Xm is very slow, is anybody guide me/
Jan 08 22:44:02 <woglinde> no
Jan 08 22:44:04 <jwinnebeck> what if I wasn't on ubuntu
Jan 08 22:44:25 <woglinde> Dhut use the dsp
Jan 08 22:44:32 <Dhut> thanks
Jan 08 22:44:40 <woglinde> and bring down the fps
Jan 08 22:44:43 <woglinde> good nite
Jan 08 22:44:48 <Dhut> woglinde
Jan 08 22:47:39 <jkridner> tlab: I own #beaglebone as well
Jan 08 22:49:51 <chrisp_> on here?
Jan 08 22:52:15 <jwinnebeck> Hi CanyonMan
Jan 08 22:53:33 <CanyonMan> hi
Jan 08 22:54:29 <jwinnebeck> I'm still compiling the openjdk woglinde helped me past the last part
Jan 08 22:54:36 <jwinnebeck> it's 3390 of 3440
Jan 08 22:55:21 <CanyonMan> we should buy him a beer via paypal
Jan 08 23:12:01 <mranostay> koen: heh nice SGI graphics card
Jan 08 23:13:18 <mranostay> mid 90's?
Jan 08 23:32:02 <CanyonMan> does anybody here know about the way the TPS65217 battery charger is intended to be used on a AM335x design?
Jan 08 23:32:24 <CanyonMan> Does the TPS65217 have the ability to just charge ... but not actually switch to battery power?
Jan 08 23:39:29 <mranostay> CanyonMan: this for the Bone?
Jan 08 23:40:11 <CanyonMan> Well not exactly, but sort of.  The system reference manual for the bone says it can't actually run off the battery because of lack of a boost regulator
Jan 08 23:40:31 <CanyonMan> What I'm really trying to do is ascertain what that means.  And unfortunately, the documentation on the TPS6517 and family on ti.com is **very** sad
Jan 08 23:40:42 <CanyonMan> it's extremely incomplete
Jan 08 23:43:54 <CanyonMan> I couldn't even find a description of what messages you can send/receive to/from it form the I2C bus, which stinks beacuse I think that would have given me some better clues about what the thing does.
Jan 08 23:44:19 <CanyonMan> It's not even clear to me: if you DID have a boost converter where would you feed power back into the chip to make it run
Jan 08 23:44:24 <CanyonMan> it only has 2 power inputs
Jan 08 23:44:44 <CanyonMan> and if you have to do any kind of external sumnation then there'd be significant losses in that
Jan 08 23:45:11 <CanyonMan> based on that, I find it hard to believe the PMIC doesn't handle the whole job, which makes me wonder why the Bone can't.
Jan 08 23:45:11 <mranostay> yeah li-on batteries are only 3.7V
Jan 08 23:45:39 <mranostay> so with a boost regulator it isn't going to work without some secondary supply
Jan 08 23:45:53 <CanyonMan> right i get that much
Jan 08 23:46:06 <CanyonMan> so the PMIC needs they claim 400 mV of overhead on the LDOs
Jan 08 23:46:17 <CanyonMan> so to make 3.3V they say it needs 3.7V
Jan 08 23:46:22 <CanyonMan> but
Jan 08 23:46:34 <CanyonMan> if you do this:   PMIC --> battery --> boost convert -->  ?
Jan 08 23:46:44 <CanyonMan> It's not clear to me where you feed the power back in and how you swtich it
Jan 08 23:57:07 <mranostay> hmm not really sure
Jan 08 23:57:34 <mranostay> been like 2 years since i've done anything with battery chargers
Jan 09 02:46:24 <mranostay> koen: you using Eagle Lite or Hobbyist/Standard?
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Jan 09 05:40:52 <saysay> hello guys, I'm currently trying to learn how to use the I2C of beagleboard XM. Hence do anyone has any useful links/tutorial that can share with me? Thanks = )
Jan 09 05:42:37 <prpplague> saysay: check the elinux.org wiki pages
Jan 09 05:43:37 <saysay> okie thank you
Jan 09 07:16:59 * koen yawns
Jan 09 07:17:12 <koen> mranostay: the free one
Jan 09 07:18:23 <av500> free yawns? /me wants some
Jan 09 09:28:10 * koen yawns again
Jan 09 09:28:16 <koen> the coffee hasn't helped
Jan 09 09:32:51 <joelagnel> CanyonMan, About your question earlier, the switching of the power is automatic in the absence of AC and USB. They detect AC/USB level falls below threshold and switch to battery
Jan 09 09:33:36 <joelagnel> koen, hi :)
Jan 09 09:34:17 <koen> hey joelagnel 
Jan 09 09:34:28 <koen> joelagnel: already up, still up? Moved timezones?
Jan 09 09:35:47 <joelagnel> koen, Yeah I'm GMT+3 currently , for the next 1 week
Jan 09 09:36:01 <joelagnel> on this tiny island called Bahrain :-P
Jan 09 09:36:25 <joelagnel> which happens to be where I was born and brought up
Jan 09 09:37:51 <joelagnel> koen, jkridner is on holiday?
Jan 09 09:45:00 <koen> joelagnel: he should be back fulltime this week
Jan 09 10:39:56 <koen> joelagnel: https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/commit/e380209f3d24d3192e28491d08a71505c11b4de4
Jan 09 11:06:54 <joelagnel> koen, looks good, better than adding a new bone_tsc_init funciton; have you got a chance to test the TSC with this though?
Jan 09 11:34:59 <joelagnel> koen, I kind of enjoy this timezone more
Jan 09 12:33:52 <koen> joelagnel: tsc seems to work quite well now
Jan 09 12:56:00 <av500> koen: the 90'S called :)
Jan 09 12:56:41 <av500> koen: for fun, try to implement a touchscreen over SPI that shares the Wifi over the very same SPI :)
Jan 09 13:06:41 <koen> av500: heh, I'm trying framebuffer over SPI with a mmc slot on the second cs
Jan 09 13:09:22 <av500> koen: so, will MMC traffic degrade the framebuffer or the other way round?
Jan 09 13:36:20 <koen> av500: not sure, the comments in the sources aren't clear
Jan 09 13:36:55 <ant_work> koen: try on collie ;)
Jan 09 13:38:55 <koen> isn;t that using sa1100fb?
Jan 09 13:54:57 <ant_work> it took some times to get around timing issues using locom chip for SPI and other
Jan 09 14:39:06 <jsabeaudry> I'm trying to build Angstrom but bitbaking readline-native fails on the do_install operation? Anyone has encountered that problem? 
Jan 09 15:08:33 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Did it build?
Jan 09 15:08:40 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: yes
Jan 09 15:08:57 <jwinnebeck> But the result wasn't the best
Jan 09 15:09:12 <jwinnebeck> I did encounter one bug, the postinsts are busted for the VMs
Jan 09 15:09:21 <jwinnebeck> they are supposed to register themselves but they have an error in the sed script
Jan 09 15:09:29 <jwinnebeck> so I had to manually edit a text file to get openjdk to think they are present
Jan 09 15:09:53 <jwinnebeck> However, the VMs themselves... shark and zero and cacao all crashed or had some problems
Jan 09 15:10:07 <jwinnebeck> jamvm issued one warning I think and didn't crash, but performance was about 3x worse than oracle JVM
Jan 09 15:10:37 <jwinnebeck> There was a bug in the build that woglinde fixed this weekend, if you get an error about glibj.zip, you should do a git pull
Jan 09 15:11:06 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: I'll try git pulling, I'm having an error with readline-native
Jan 09 15:11:13 <jwinnebeck> yeah I never had that
Jan 09 15:11:23 <jwinnebeck> But I built with Friday's version same as you
Jan 09 15:11:37 <jwinnebeck> I did have to install some mesa packages on my Ubuntu though that I thought was odd
Jan 09 15:11:46 <jwinnebeck> but woglinde said that's how it is suppsoed to be
Jan 09 15:11:53 <jwinnebeck> What error do you get
Jan 09 15:12:23 <jwinnebeck> Woglinde told me to do a git pull --rebase though, I'm new to git so I don't know the impact of that. I did a git pull before he told me that and it still worked
Jan 09 15:12:44 <jwinnebeck> and the man page makes --rebase look scary
Jan 09 15:13:23 <jwinnebeck> BTW the checkout is a bunch of git checkouts, so I only did the git pull in the meta-java. If readline-native is in a different repository, you might need to do multiple get pulls
Jan 09 15:13:34 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Rebase only reapplies your changes on the most recent version
Jan 09 15:13:50 <jwinnebeck> so that means you lose old changes or?
Jan 09 15:13:55 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Ca you remember which mesa package you had to install?
Jan 09 15:14:00 <jwinnebeck> I'm just starting to read git-rebase man now
Jan 09 15:14:06 <jwinnebeck> Well it told me which to install
Jan 09 15:14:10 <jwinnebeck> let me check my history
Jan 09 15:14:11 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: No you dont lose them 
Jan 09 15:14:39 <jwinnebeck> sudo aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev and libsdl1.2-dev
Jan 09 15:14:40 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: You can see it a bit like a smart merge if you are coming from svn
Jan 09 15:14:41 <jwinnebeck> I ran that command
Jan 09 15:14:56 <jwinnebeck> But it was not an error with readline-native, it was compiling openjdk at that point
Jan 09 15:15:20 <jwinnebeck> haha look at that horrible paste job
Jan 09 15:15:26 <jwinnebeck> I got a comma and and
Jan 09 15:15:28 <jwinnebeck> you know what's funny
Jan 09 15:15:30 <jwinnebeck> that command worked
Jan 09 15:17:02 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Wierd that we need mesa and sdl for headless stuff... I'll try it anyway at this point I have no idea what might be the problem
Jan 09 15:17:16 <jwinnebeck> ok so rebase makes it look like you revert your changes, update to the latest tip of the branch, then re-applied all of your changes?
Jan 09 15:17:26 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: exactly
Jan 09 15:17:28 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: I assume the openjdk built by this is not headless
Jan 09 15:17:46 <jwinnebeck> It built a bunch of X and gtk/gnome stuff
Jan 09 15:17:48 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Ah yes! Of course!
Jan 09 15:18:51 <jwinnebeck> OK I didn't have any changes or commits... so rebase vs merge is irrelevant
Jan 09 15:19:23 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Probably that oebb script makes changes
Jan 09 15:19:50 <jsabeaudry> git status tells you if you do
Jan 09 15:20:05 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I'm used to svn. I know in git you can commit without pushing to the repo. But is there a difference between committed changes, and local modifications that are not committed?
Jan 09 15:20:17 <jwinnebeck> in SVN, your working copy is like a branch that has at most one "changeset" applied to it
Jan 09 15:20:19 <jwinnebeck> effectively
Jan 09 15:20:54 <jsabeaudry> Yes there is a difference between a change and a commit
Jan 09 15:21:26 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I do have some local mods, but this oebb thing really it made a bunch of git clones
Jan 09 15:21:30 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: It works now with the mesa stuff!
Jan 09 15:21:34 <jwinnebeck> so is there a way to run git status recursively
Jan 09 15:21:57 <jwinnebeck> oh wow, I got an error that explicitly said "you are missing mesa and SDL, please install XYZ"
Jan 09 15:22:12 <jwinnebeck> But what does SDL/mesa have to do with native-readline?
Jan 09 15:22:24 <jwinnebeck> I assume this is GNU readline? I dunno
Jan 09 15:22:33 <jwinnebeck> GNU readline is an ncurses thing I thought
Jan 09 15:24:16 <jsabeaudry> Might be a depenency of mesa...
Jan 09 15:24:25 <jsabeaudry> That fixed the problem
Jan 09 15:24:37 <jwinnebeck> nice
Jan 09 15:25:05 <jwinnebeck> What are you trying to do with Java, BTW, if I may ask
Jan 09 15:25:16 <jwinnebeck> and have you tried or are looking at oracle java?
Jan 09 15:26:15 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Yes I tried Embedded Java it worked fine, I wish to run a clojure web stack on the bone 
Jan 09 15:26:34 * jwinnebeck doesn't know clojure; googling
Jan 09 15:27:04 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: I'm hoping I can do with open-jdk cause I really dont want to get into the hassle of licensing with oracle
Jan 09 15:27:06 <jwinnebeck> oh it runs also on CLR and JS?
Jan 09 15:27:20 <jwinnebeck> If you don't care about performance, jamvm was the most stable for my application
Jan 09 15:27:35 <jwinnebeck> We run this app on x86 openjdk for a few years now with no problems
Jan 09 15:27:53 <jwinnebeck> But for the last 3-4 years I've looked at/tried ARM without success
Jan 09 15:28:04 <jsabeaudry> Well performance is somewhat important because I need to reach 35 mbps with some data processing
Jan 09 15:28:11 <jwinnebeck> oracle JVM was the first real success we've had and it's great, but it costs $, we don't know how much yeah
Jan 09 15:28:34 <jwinnebeck> 35mbps doesn't seem feasible on bone esp with a dynamic language like clojure...?
Jan 09 15:28:54 <jwinnebeck> I could be wrong, I've always been surprised with the performance of Java
Jan 09 15:29:19 <jwinnebeck> I started doing JAva embedded in 2003 and I have to always fight an uphill battle with people thinking Java can't work in embedded
Jan 09 15:29:21 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: It is, I've maxed out the 100 mbps port serving raw data from clojure
Jan 09 15:29:29 <jwinnebeck> oh you are just serving data?
Jan 09 15:29:38 <jwinnebeck> I thought maybe you were doing some kind of signal processing
Jan 09 15:29:39 <jsabeaudry> for now yes
Jan 09 15:29:44 <Tartarus> Joe Woodward in here by chance?  Or anyone that's running 3.2 on beagle?
Jan 09 15:29:50 <jwinnebeck> Yeah if you are serving data you should be able to push 35mbps
Jan 09 15:30:27 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: pushing 100 mbps had the 500 mhz cpu at roughly 40%
Jan 09 15:30:39 <jwinnebeck> Ok so see I shouldn't be so quick to judge :)
Jan 09 15:30:46 <jwinnebeck> just like people say with my app
Jan 09 15:30:59 <jwinnebeck> Oracle JVM runs my app in single digit CPUs
Jan 09 15:31:03 <jwinnebeck> on the beaglebone
Jan 09 15:31:36 <jsabeaudry> Heh, so you basically are just waiting for a deal with oracle? What is left to do?
Jan 09 15:31:38 <jwinnebeck> actually it is funny how I got into this. When I started this project years ago I was a C++ guy, I thought it was just going to be a prototype
Jan 09 15:31:55 <jwinnebeck> And we were having a lot of student labor at our uni
Jan 09 15:32:01 <jwinnebeck> and the students here all do JAva
Jan 09 15:32:04 <jwinnebeck> so we did Java
Jan 09 15:32:19 <jwinnebeck> At the time had I know it was going to go embedded I would have picked C++
Jan 09 15:32:24 <jwinnebeck> And I would have been horribly wrong
Jan 09 15:32:47 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: How so?
Jan 09 15:32:51 <jwinnebeck> The ability to handle errors/exceptions with Java on a headless system and deal with threads is 100000x better
Jan 09 15:33:03 <jwinnebeck> We run a whole bunch of loosely connected components
Jan 09 15:33:10 <jwinnebeck> each component gets a thread
Jan 09 15:33:14 <jwinnebeck> sometimes we have 50-75 threads
Jan 09 15:33:27 <jwinnebeck> components can be written by different people at different levels of quality
Jan 09 15:33:36 <jwinnebeck> If one crashes with NPE or whatever, it doesn't take out the system
Jan 09 15:33:44 <jwinnebeck> in a C++ program it would segfault and the whole process is gone
Jan 09 15:34:35 <panto> jwinnebeck, I'd like to live in your world where a system with 50-75 threads is acceptable 
Jan 09 15:34:37 <jwinnebeck> OK, so you can do some signal catching
Jan 09 15:34:51 <jwinnebeck> To be totally honest, we could do everything with a signle thread
Jan 09 15:34:53 <jwinnebeck> but
Jan 09 15:34:55 <jwinnebeck> the OS wins otu
Jan 09 15:34:59 <jwinnebeck> you think it would be horrible
Jan 09 15:35:02 <jwinnebeck> but it's not
Jan 09 15:35:13 <jwinnebeck> the OS does multiplexing of the threads better than you can write your own scheduler
Jan 09 15:35:27 <jwinnebeck> it's better to write 75 threads and have them sleep and poll than schedule them
Jan 09 15:35:38 <jwinnebeck> and we still are using like 10MB heap
Jan 09 15:35:47 <jwinnebeck> so we've run even on 64MB systems
Jan 09 15:35:55 <jwinnebeck> so it's not even like the memory is a problem
Jan 09 15:36:01 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Plus the 100 MB for the JVM :P
Jan 09 15:36:07 <jwinnebeck> Not for RAM, no
Jan 09 15:36:17 <jwinnebeck> The JVM memory usage is hard to measure
Jan 09 15:36:29 <jwinnebeck> on the beaglebone, top says the JVM uses about 350 MB of RAM
Jan 09 15:36:33 <panto> never seen an embedded system running java that didn't end horribly 
Jan 09 15:36:37 <jwinnebeck> the bone only has 256 and we don't have swap
Jan 09 15:36:39 <panto> and no android hardly counts
Jan 09 15:36:44 <jwinnebeck> panto: well I've been doing it since 2003
Jan 09 15:36:51 <jwinnebeck> and it's been deployed in government and commerical
Jan 09 15:36:52 <jsabeaudry> panto: Why does android hardly count?
Jan 09 15:37:03 <panto> it's not a javavm 
Jan 09 15:37:10 <av500> jwinnebeck: ah yes, I have a government like that too :)
Jan 09 15:37:11 <panto> it's something completely different 
Jan 09 15:37:32 <jwinnebeck> The JVM memory looks so bad because it relies heavily on mmap'd files, which expands the vram space
Jan 09 15:37:40 <jwinnebeck> but Linux doesn't actually allocate pages unless you touch them
Jan 09 15:37:50 <jwinnebeck> so in reality, oracle JVM was only using like 30MB RAM on the bone
Jan 09 15:38:02 <jwinnebeck> based on /proc/meminfo looking at free pages
Jan 09 15:38:11 <panto> 30MB of RAM day 1
Jan 09 15:38:15 <panto> 40MB of RAM day 2
Jan 09 15:38:19 <panto> 50MB of RAM day 3
Jan 09 15:38:20 <panto> ...
Jan 09 15:38:41 <jwinnebeck> no
Jan 09 15:38:43 <jwinnebeck> man I'm telling you
Jan 09 15:38:51 <jwinnebeck> I've run this system for weeks at a time
Jan 09 15:38:54 <av500> panto: does it reset to 30MB the next month? :)
Jan 09 15:38:57 <jwinnebeck> it's set up to run 24/7
Jan 09 15:39:04 <jwinnebeck> it is possible
Jan 09 15:39:20 <panto> yes, but you have to code your java like you would code a C program
Jan 09 15:39:23 <jwinnebeck> Oh well, I'm used to the response...
Jan 09 15:39:28 <mdp> weeks isn't very long
Jan 09 15:39:29 <jwinnebeck> Actually we write it a lot like Java
Jan 09 15:39:32 <panto> i.e. take good care of object lifetime
Jan 09 15:39:32 <jwinnebeck> not like C
Jan 09 15:39:49 <jwinnebeck> But we don't write it like you see J2EE apps, no
Jan 09 15:40:00 <jwinnebeck> but we don't restrict ourselves from any features
Jan 09 15:40:08 <jwinnebeck> i.e. we use array lists and such
Jan 09 15:40:48 <panto> same system written in C would an order of a magnitude more efficient in any metric 
Jan 09 15:41:08 <panto> and I'll stand by that statement any day of the week 
Jan 09 15:41:19 <jwinnebeck> First, I mostly disagree for runtime performance. Secondly, it doesn't matter
Jan 09 15:41:26 <jwinnebeck> I'm running single digit CPU use on bone
Jan 09 15:41:44 <jwinnebeck> so for a single purpose system it just has to be fast enough
Jan 09 15:42:03 <panto> then your app is not really needing such a powerful system like the bone since it's mostly waiting for I/O
Jan 09 15:42:03 <jwinnebeck> but originally it was running years ago on 300mhz geode or 266 pentium mobile
Jan 09 15:42:12 <panto> you could run it on a AVR
Jan 09 15:42:23 <panto> or something similarly cheap
Jan 09 15:42:32 <jwinnebeck> I don't know about that
Jan 09 15:42:34 <jwinnebeck> but we are looking at that
Jan 09 15:42:38 <jwinnebeck> I mean
Jan 09 15:42:44 <jwinnebeck> we ar elooking at cheaper things
Jan 09 15:42:46 * mranostay scrolls up
Jan 09 15:42:54 <mdp> panto, the only solutions allowed on this channel involve beagle* parts :)
Jan 09 15:43:00 <jwinnebeck> that's why I'm trying ARM, the problem is the JVMs on ARM
Jan 09 15:43:26 <jwinnebeck> The bone is less than 10% the cost of the current solution
Jan 09 15:43:36 <panto> the problem is you're expecting such an optimized VM as on the x86 after the millions that sun/oracle has poured into R&D
Jan 09 15:44:06 <jwinnebeck> Yeah so we are waiting but since J2SE embedded 6 has come out it's fine
Jan 09 15:44:22 <jwinnebeck> But no one believes us that we can run this on an ARM so finally we are allowed to try
Jan 09 15:44:22 <panto> do you see someone willing to spend that money on a JVM for ARM in 2012?
Jan 09 15:44:23 <panto> I do not
Jan 09 15:44:32 <jwinnebeck> How not??
Jan 09 15:44:34 <jwinnebeck> what do you mean
Jan 09 15:44:57 <panto> the only real user of java in embedded that's left is blackberry
Jan 09 15:45:03 <jwinnebeck> If we can buy a $200 ARM-based platform to replace a 1500-2200$ Atom-based one...
Jan 09 15:45:12 <panto> google only uses java tangentially 
Jan 09 15:46:19 <panto> only if the ARM servers catch on you'll see an ARM jvm that's comparable to x86 IMO
Jan 09 15:46:55 <jwinnebeck> it doesn't have to be comparable
Jan 09 15:46:58 <jwinnebeck> just have JIT
Jan 09 15:47:03 <jwinnebeck> and not crash
Jan 09 15:47:08 <jwinnebeck> actually it just has to not crash
Jan 09 15:47:11 <panto> JIT on ARM != JIT on x86 
Jan 09 15:47:15 <jwinnebeck> even JamVM is 3x slower, OK so I use 30% CPU now
Jan 09 15:47:38 <panto> x86 has tons of resources of doing crapilly optimized code run fast 
Jan 09 15:48:31 <panto> what I'm getting at is this:
Jan 09 15:48:49 <panto> if you have an app that's capable of running for weeks at a time in an embedded scenario
Jan 09 15:49:22 <panto> that means you handle correctly the embedded quirks that you have to take care
Jan 09 15:49:37 <panto> i.e. don't leak memory for starters
Jan 09 15:50:10 <panto> to do that, you can re-implement your app if your budget allows and have it run on a system that costs 1/10th of what you currently use
Jan 09 15:50:28 <panto> it's a matter if it makes sense financially to rewrite 
Jan 09 15:50:54 <panto> if it doesn't, then you can run it on ARM to be cheaper that the embedded x86 boxes around 
Jan 09 15:51:13 <panto> but bitting the bullet and doing it properly is the most efficient solution 
Jan 09 15:51:50 <jwinnebeck> maybe
Jan 09 15:52:41 <jsabeaudry> panto: Paying a dev to reimplement the app and save 50$ per device is not efficient if you have low volume
Jan 09 15:52:53 <panto> jsabeaudry, I agree
Jan 09 15:52:58 <mdp> panto, except there's a cost to reimplementing his application…to capture that even lower BOM cost
Jan 09 15:53:31 <panto> that's the magic sentence "it's a matter if it makes sense financially to rewrite"
Jan 09 15:53:36 <mdp> panto, never underestimate the power of "good enough"
Jan 09 15:53:39 <jsabeaudry> panto: I'd even put forward that for low volume if would be more efficient to hire a cheap java dev than a c dev even if that means paying 2-3x on the hardware
Jan 09 15:53:40 <panto> I don't 
Jan 09 15:53:55 <mdp> panto, that's why we have the omap s/w situation we have :)
Jan 09 15:54:03 <panto> but this is a nerd channel, not a bean-counter one
Jan 09 15:54:09 <jwinnebeck> panto: that statement is key, it's definitely not sound to rewrite now for sure. I think the argument is whether I would go that route if I was starting from scratch
Jan 09 15:54:24 <panto> jwinnebeck, right
Jan 09 15:54:44 <panto> and the question you must answer is: are there any competitors that are going that route _right now_?
Jan 09 15:54:45 <jsabeaudry> panto: But for the record I would never chose java for any software project
Jan 09 15:55:19 <panto> because if they do, you're going to find a way to compete real fast
Jan 09 15:55:46 <panto> java is fine for business logic apps
Jan 09 15:56:06 <panto> when you start pumping out little boxes, the logistic change 
Jan 09 16:01:45 <av500> java was made for coffee machines, no?
Jan 09 16:06:37 <mdp> even the coffee machines use an AVR :)
Jan 09 16:07:25 <panto> mdp, should you say MSP? :)
Jan 09 16:07:37 <av500> PIC
Jan 09 16:07:45 * mdp is reminded of the guy that hacked RFID reader support into his office keurig unit to keep tabs on consumers
Jan 09 16:08:05 <mdp> HC11
Jan 09 16:08:17 <panto> now we're talking old school 
Jan 09 16:08:19 <panto> HC05
Jan 09 16:08:32 <mru> HCF
Jan 09 16:08:46 * panto waits for someone to mention Z80 so the flame fest can begin 
Jan 09 16:08:46 <mdp> yes, before I was forced to work on 68k, that was embedded to me :P
Jan 09 16:11:15 <av500> 4004
Jan 09 16:11:59 <av500> mru: HCL!
Jan 09 16:12:15 <mru> HCl?
Jan 09 16:12:44 <panto> bitslices?
Jan 09 16:12:46 <av500> that too
Jan 09 18:53:49 <ds2> Good morning
Jan 09 18:54:00 <av500> hmm
Jan 09 19:25:50 <mranostay> hi ds2 
Jan 09 19:35:28 <djlewis> hi guys :)
Jan 09 19:59:29 <ds2> hello
Jan 09 19:59:31 <ds2> >
Jan 09 20:00:26 <mru> hi ds2 
Jan 09 20:00:43 <ds2> slow monday :)
Jan 09 20:02:22 * mranostay runs around in a circle
Jan 09 20:02:39 <mranostay> i forgot how much sugar iced tea in the South has..
Jan 09 20:02:54 <mranostay> about 3p i'm going to be passed out in my office
Jan 09 20:07:15 <ds2> need chocolate covered expresso beans?
Jan 09 20:07:24 <woglinde> no
Jan 09 20:08:40 <muriani> I do.
Jan 09 20:42:00 <Gaston|Home> omg, I've been idling for a while in here, its grown a bit !
Jan 09 20:42:42 <Gaston|Home> jkridner: do you know if there is a pin-compatble cpu that does floating point dsp that can be fitted on Beaglebone?
Jan 09 20:42:56 <Gaston|Home> and if, has it been done?
Jan 09 20:43:01 <jkridner> there is not.
Jan 09 20:43:10 <Gaston|Home> sad face
Jan 09 20:43:15 <jkridner> perhaps in the future, but not today.
Jan 09 20:43:24 <ds2> why not use the DM3730?
Jan 09 20:43:38 <ds2> so much easier to deal with then silly loose memory
Jan 09 20:43:38 <jkridner> The OMAP-L138 has a floating point DSP, but is only ARM9 and not pin compatible.
Jan 09 20:44:03 <jkridner> the DM8148 has some of the same peripherals, Cortex-A8 and a floating-point DSP, but again is not pin compatible.
Jan 09 20:44:13 <jkridner> DM3730 is fixed-point.
Jan 09 20:44:19 <jkridner> (for the DSP)
Jan 09 20:44:23 <ds2> oh right
Jan 09 20:44:24 <ds2> nevermind
Jan 09 20:44:34 <ds2> ETOOMANYCHIPS
Jan 09 20:44:41 <Gaston|Home> gahh, I just had this brilliant idea, and it fell to nothing
Jan 09 20:45:12 <woglinde> hehe
Jan 09 20:45:14 <woglinde> thats life
Jan 09 20:45:39 * Gaston|Home doesnt type what he is thinking
Jan 09 20:45:52 <Gaston|Home> Thats so unlucky!
Jan 09 20:46:37 <ds2> Ob complaint... wilink is such a non starter
Jan 09 20:47:19 <woglinde> ds2?
Jan 09 20:47:35 <ds2> which part?
Jan 09 20:48:16 <woglinde> -> wilink is such a non starter
Jan 09 20:48:32 <ds2> no one sells a useable module. and they won't sell the chips to fix that situation
Jan 09 20:49:18 <woglinde> Industry’s first true single-chip mobile WLAN, GPS, Bluetooth®, Bluetooth low energy, ANT and FM transmit/receive solution
Jan 09 20:49:21 <woglinde> hm okay
Jan 09 20:49:28 <ds2> useable == full docs exposing most of the functionality
Jan 09 20:49:59 <woglinde> abgn is nice
Jan 09 20:50:10 <ds2> and yes, this is coming from laying out pads for a workable WLAN, GPS, and BT module
Jan 09 20:57:18 <aholler_> hmm, reads like your holding it wrong ;)
Jan 09 21:36:41 <FlameGod> Hello, can somebody please tell me how to get the actual toolchain for beaglebone? I've downloaded one from angstrom site, but there is boost v1.45 and on the board there is already v1.47?
Jan 09 21:37:23 <FlameGod> i've tried to make one with bitbake meta-toolchain but i don't understand the directory structure and how to get opkg-target working :(
Jan 09 21:56:14 <stcuser> I am looking for a 2.6.38 kernel repo for beaglebone... can anyone point me the source?
Jan 09 22:01:07 <rcn-ee> stcuser, why? 
Jan 09 22:01:39 <stcuser> rcn-ee: looking to port xenomai
Jan 09 22:02:59 <rcn-ee> stcuser, port xenomai to mainline, as the bits for the am355x are just about to start going in.. ;)
Jan 09 22:04:10 <stcuser> rcn-ee: well we have one already running for the beagleboard. need to get the same going on the beaglebone
Jan 09 22:05:05 <aholler> the bone didn't exist when .38 has seen light.
Jan 09 22:06:32 <stcuser> rcn-ee: do we have any patches available for am335x that could be used with the .38
Jan 09 22:07:28 <rcn-ee> yeap..  first patch .38 to atleast v3.1.. ;)  For the amount of time it would take to backport the bone to .38 you could just push xenomia to mainline.. ;)
Jan 09 22:08:12 <ds2> backport things to .38
Jan 09 22:08:33 <ds2> it shouldn't be that hard to backport to .38
Jan 09 22:10:13 <stcuser> ds2: thanks will try that
Jan 09 22:10:54 <ds2> 335x is a hodgepodge of different chips
Jan 09 22:11:39 <mdp> I like that description
Jan 09 22:12:14 <mdp> almost like somebody needed a different set of functionality on one chip..hrm
Jan 09 22:12:52 <ds2> grab a tree with the support in it and goto town with git diff
Jan 09 23:09:51 <Dhut> Have anybody used on Chip DSP on Beagleboard/
Jan 09 23:10:42 <xxiao> http://eetimes.com/ContentEETimes/Images/Products/Processors_MCUs/2011_01_09_Freescale_CES_i.MX6.gif
Jan 09 23:11:53 <Dhut> whats this?
Jan 09 23:12:35 <xxiao> new A9s from CES
Jan 09 23:12:49 <mru> a9 is so last year
Jan 09 23:17:47 <ds2> where's the 1mm thick, 12" screen, 40hour life time A15 tablets?
Jan 09 23:21:40 * xxiao wants to build a cortex-M3 camera with uclinux...
Jan 09 23:51:04 <truls> hey folks
Jan 09 23:52:00 <truls> seems my new beaglebone just died and wondered if anyone has any tips on debugging it before i try shipping it back
Jan 09 23:52:20 <truls> essentially i was just playing around with the user leds, it suddenly died and now won't power up
Jan 09 23:53:05 <truls> i have power out from the initial NCP349, but the TPS65217 isn't sending anything to the SYS_5V rail
Jan 09 23:53:26 <truls> so if i connect it to power via usb or the 5V barrel it will just blink the power led once, then go all dark
Jan 09 23:53:29 <ds2> what exactly do you have plugged in.
Jan 09 23:54:07 <truls> a beaglebone plugged into usb power on my macbook air (also tried a stationary pc), or a 5V power supply
Jan 09 23:54:55 <ds2> anything else?
Jan 09 23:55:02 <ds2> USB? uSD card? expansion boards?
Jan 09 23:55:23 <truls> no expansion boards, no extras, i have the provided uSD card plugged in
Jan 09 23:56:21 <truls> nothing in the host usb port
Jan 09 23:56:48 <Dhut> Have anybody used on Chip DSP on Beagleboard ?
Jan 09 23:56:58 <truls> as far as i can guess, the TPS65217 seems fried...
Jan 09 23:57:23 <truls> unless there is something during the bootup process that would/could tell it to turn off the SYS_5V
Jan 09 23:57:25 <ds2> okay
Jan 09 23:57:33 <ds2> where are you measuring SYS_5V?
Jan 09 23:57:48 <truls> on the P9 pins 7 and 8
Jan 09 23:58:24 <ds2> what's the other rails on the connector measure?
Jan 09 23:58:34 <ds2> in particular the PWR_BUT signal?
Jan 09 23:58:36 <truls> also tried measuring C20 to check power from VLDO1, nothing there either
Jan 09 23:59:17 <truls> ds2: ill try checking that now
Jan 09 23:59:29 <ds2> it should be pulled up high, IIRC
Jan 10 00:01:57 <truls> ds2: it's at 3.5V
Jan 10 00:02:29 <ds2> a tiny bit high but that is coming from the PMIC
Jan 10 00:03:02 <ds2> what about the 3.3V rail from the pmic? VDD_3V3EXP
Jan 10 00:04:49 <truls> 18mV on that (pin 3,4 on P9)
Jan 10 00:04:57 <truls> which is essentially nothing i guess
Jan 10 00:06:20 <ds2> wonder if it is just turned off 
Jan 10 00:06:29 <ds2> have you done anything to the hardware?
Jan 10 00:07:19 <truls> nope, just played around with echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/beaglebone\:\:usr1/brightness via the ssh
Jan 10 00:07:35 <truls> just got the board, upgraded the angstrom distro, and was playing around on the commandline
Jan 10 00:08:47 <truls> (via ssh using the ethernet over usb)
Jan 10 00:09:07 <ds2> Hmmm
Jan 10 00:10:28 <ds2> you call on if you want to try this but -
Jan 10 00:10:54 <ds2> try shorting PWR_BUT to ground (be sure you get the right pins) briefly (i.e. 1-2 seconds)
Jan 10 00:11:07 <ds2> that is the power switch. see if it behaves any differently after this
Jan 10 00:11:10 <truls> ok
Jan 10 00:11:14 <ds2> also, are you monitoring the console?
Jan 10 00:11:41 <truls> no, no console to monitor, but i can hook it up
Jan 10 00:12:32 <truls> the ftdi doesn't activate, so even hooking it up would mean no new usb serial devices to hook my minicom up to
Jan 10 00:12:41 <ds2> there is one more test you can do but the design of it makes it a major acrobatics 
Jan 10 00:12:49 <ds2> Hmmm
Jan 10 00:13:12 <ds2> okay, if pwr_but doesn't do it, donno what else to try as it isn't worth depopulating parts to undo design flaws
Jan 10 00:14:39 <truls> nothing new happened after shorting pwr_but to ground
Jan 10 00:14:56 <truls> same single power blink, then "dead"
Jan 10 00:15:04 <ds2> it did blink?
Jan 10 00:15:18 <truls> it always blinks one time after plugging it in
Jan 10 00:15:31 <ds2> I mean, it did blink after you shorted the PWR_BUT signal?
Jan 10 00:15:36 <truls> no
Jan 10 00:15:41 <ds2> oh
Jan 10 00:16:08 <truls> actually yes, just tried it again
Jan 10 00:16:24 <truls> (it's a small led, so easy to miss it if it blinks fast)
Jan 10 00:16:41 <truls> it blinked just after i shorted, then stayed off
Jan 10 00:16:52 <truls> releasing the short didnt change anything
Jan 10 00:18:01 <ds2> ah
Jan 10 00:18:17 <ds2> that would almost suggests there is something it doesn't like
Jan 10 00:18:25 <ds2> prehaps a short or another fault somewhere
Jan 10 00:19:02 <jay6981> there have been a few others with the same symptom here
Jan 10 00:19:13 <ds2> did you ever plug anything into the expansion connectors at all?
Jan 10 00:19:34 <truls> no, first time was after it died to test the voltage on the rails
Jan 10 00:19:50 <truls> i just used the usb on my macbook air
Jan 10 00:20:10 <ds2> did you try the barrel connector?
Jan 10 00:20:13 <truls> (no warnings about pulling too much current on the mba either)
Jan 10 00:20:19 <truls> yes, that's what im using now
Jan 10 00:20:24 <truls> same result as usb
Jan 10 00:20:38 <ds2> are both of them plugged in at the same time?
Jan 10 00:20:42 <truls> no
Jan 10 00:20:55 <truls> just barrel now, never tried both of them
Jan 10 00:21:52 <ds2> I'd say return it
Jan 10 00:22:09 <ds2> more diag is going to get invasive and the RMA guys might not like people diag'ing it before they do ;)
Jan 10 00:22:16 <truls> heh, true
Jan 10 00:22:32 <truls> thanks for all the help though
Jan 10 00:22:35 <ds2> that PMIC has a power path management
Jan 10 00:22:55 <ds2> either the internal switch is foobared or there is a fault somewhere
Jan 10 00:23:16 <truls> the schematics says the reset is uncommected, which i find odd
Jan 10 00:23:25 <truls> but maybe that ic doesn't mind...
Jan 10 00:23:28 <truls> unconnected
Jan 10 00:23:30 <ds2> should be fine... internal pull ups, IIRC
Jan 10 00:23:34 <truls> ok
Jan 10 00:24:15 <truls> thanks for all the help though, makes me feel a bit better about returning it at least, knowing kinda where the problem is
Jan 10 00:24:43 <ds2> 'k
Jan 10 00:25:41 <djlewis> later . . .
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Jan 10 04:23:02 <xkenneth> Jello, anyone familiar with the RTC
Jan 10 04:23:02 <xkenneth> ?
Jan 10 05:40:43 <mranostay> another drive by IRC! :)
Jan 10 05:52:34 <_av500_> the Reading Tea Council?
Jan 10 05:59:31 <Russ> _av500_, real time club!
Jan 10 06:00:28 <ds2> Mmmm reading tea council
Jan 10 06:03:57 <mranostay> damn insomnia
Jan 10 06:04:03 <mranostay> may as well IRC
Jan 10 06:14:43 <reisei> mranostay: what time is on your side?
Jan 10 06:15:26 <mranostay> 12:14a
Jan 10 06:16:20 <mranostay> to be honest i'm naturally a night owl but day jobs kinda mess that up :)
Jan 10 06:18:27 <reisei> mranostay: you can talk to your employer about that. If you're not sysadmin :)
Jan 10 06:19:24 <reisei> We have first work day here :) after a long new year holidays... 
Jan 10 06:19:36 <mranostay> i'm short-timing atm :P
Jan 10 06:20:48 <reisei> good for you :)
Jan 10 13:37:04 <piezo> hi there
Jan 10 13:38:37 <piezo> just got my xM...playing a bit with that. used a prebuilt kernel from robert and tried to built a mainline 3.2 one. i noticed that in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c is no 1ghz patch yet. is there any stable version?
Jan 10 13:38:56 <piezo> or might i use an other kernel version (not the mainline one)
Jan 10 13:50:48 <piezo> and it detects my xM as this: OMAP3630 ES1.2 (l2cache neon isp 192mhz_clk ) ?! thats not right or?
Jan 10 13:51:51 <av500> 3630 is correct
Jan 10 13:51:57 <koen> 36xx vs 37xx is just marketing
Jan 10 13:52:44 <piezo> okay, i thought its a DM3730? so how to enable 1ghz point? only got 600mhz here. 
Jan 10 13:53:47 <piezo> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/blob/master/patches/beagle/0001-beagle-hack-enable-1Ghz.patch ?
Jan 10 13:58:42 <ril3y> hello everyone.  I was wondering if I could get in contact with the beagleboard google group admin.  I have been banned from the group however I am not sure why?  Or how for that case?  I just got a beaglebone and was trying to read though some of the google groups messages to get the "you are banned " message?  Any help would be great.
Jan 10 14:01:39 <av500> beagle is public, how can one be banned from reading the web interface?
Jan 10 14:01:57 <ril3y> Sorry...  The owner of this group has banned you from this group.
Jan 10 14:02:02 <ril3y> thats the message..
Jan 10 14:02:20 <ril3y> the google groups that is.
Jan 10 14:09:43 <CanyonMan> ril3y: were you trying to sell viagra?
Jan 10 14:10:05 <av500> do you have some left?
Jan 10 14:16:51 <fry__> Been using an XM with 2.6.38 and xenomai, just got a beaglebone.  Since there isn't any adeos support for the 3.x kernel yet, could I run a 2.6 kernel on the bone??
Jan 10 14:24:18 <jsabeaudry> I'm trying to add directory to my path on Angstrom, I tried ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile but they neighter of them as worked, in which file should i put the export directive
Jan 10 14:27:42 <maluta> jsabeaudry: after edit this files did you re-opened the shell session or update profile?
Jan 10 14:28:17 <jsabeaudry> maluta: I logged out of ssh and logged back in
Jan 10 14:28:52 <jsabeaudry> maluta: Are these the good files and I probably did a stupid mistake somewhere?
Jan 10 14:30:47 <ril3y> CanyonMan: LOL... No
Jan 10 14:41:08 <jsabeaudry> Ah somehow .profile is the file to use on Angstrom it seems.
Jan 10 14:44:39 <ril3y> So does anyone know any of the beagleboard google group's admins?  I would really like to try to clear up the issue of my account being banned.  
Jan 10 14:45:16 <av500> send jason kridner an email
Jan 10 14:52:09 <maluta> jsabeaudry: these are correct files.... usually my exports on .bashrc (did you certify that you really are using bash?)
Jan 10 14:54:13 <jsabeaudry> maluta: No I got schooled, this is actually sh. My bad.
Jan 10 14:55:04 <av500> being schooled is not so bad
Jan 10 14:57:57 <jsabeaudry> Anyone managed to get emacs on the beaglebone? Somehow opkg tells me emacs doesn't exist
Jan 10 14:59:29 <av500> opkg update
Jan 10 14:59:31 <av500> opkg list
Jan 10 14:59:52 <mru> that's not so bad, some program once told me *I* didn't exist
Jan 10 15:00:09 <av500> mru: was it emacs?
Jan 10 15:01:42 <mru> kerberos
Jan 10 15:01:54 <mru> it does that in some error situations
Jan 10 15:02:30 <av500> mru: you were trying to get in or out of hell?
Jan 10 15:03:13 <mru> given that it wasn't working, I suppose out
Jan 10 15:03:34 <ril3y> av500: thanks.
Jan 10 15:03:52 <av500> ril3y: np, now about that viagra....
Jan 10 15:04:02 <koen> mru: if you rm /etc/passwd* sh will also say "you don't exist, go away"
Jan 10 15:05:01 <mru> koen: I guess I never did anything quite that stupid
Jan 10 15:13:36 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Do you know how to change the default JVM from Zero to something else?
Jan 10 15:13:55 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: properly, no
Jan 10 15:14:04 <jsabeaudry> and unproperly?
Jan 10 15:14:10 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: there is a config file I forget where for openjdk that it uses with a list of VMs
Jan 10 15:14:20 <jwinnebeck> it selects the first one listed as KNOWN
Jan 10 15:14:28 <jwinnebeck> when you install a VM it changes its entry from UNKNOWN to KNOWN
Jan 10 15:14:36 <jwinnebeck> with sed
Jan 10 15:14:45 <jwinnebeck> so if you reorder that file it will change the order in which it looks for VMs
Jan 10 15:14:48 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Great, I'll look into that avenue
Jan 10 15:15:34 <jwinnebeck> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/arm/jvm.cfg
Jan 10 15:22:49 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Thank you very much, basically the zero vm crashes everytime with my application because of a known won't fix bug: http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=720
Jan 10 15:23:15 <jwinnebeck> oh yeah mine crashes with that too
Jan 10 15:23:20 <jwinnebeck> I didn't know that was a known bug
Jan 10 15:23:25 <jwinnebeck> and why is it wontfix?
Jan 10 15:23:44 <jwinnebeck> oh I see why
Jan 10 15:24:37 <jsabeaudry> Supposedly it would not be there with a more recent version of icedtea
Jan 10 15:24:48 <jwinnebeck> So really he's saying that there is some form of JIT in zero and it's not maintainable. I didn't think Zero had any form of JIT I thought that was the point of Zero vs Shark
Jan 10 15:25:14 <jwinnebeck> there was an option there to pass flags to stop having it run in mixed mode
Jan 10 15:26:02 <jwinnebeck> Well the ticket references 1.10.1
Jan 10 15:26:19 <jwinnebeck> the version on this openjdk woglinde had me build is 6b24-1.10.4+1.11-devel+hg1+cf80d2049346
Jan 10 15:26:22 <jwinnebeck> I see the 1.10.4 in there
Jan 10 15:26:30 <jwinnebeck> I don't know if that's the icedtea component
Jan 10 15:27:17 <jwinnebeck> I'm not sure how passing -XX:+PrintCommandLineFlags helps and it still prints mixed mode
Jan 10 15:50:04 <jsabeaudry> Anyone managed to install the openjdk-6-vm-jdk package? It fails for me with this: sed: -e expression #1, char 12: unknown command: `\'
Jan 10 15:50:27 <jwinnebeck> Yeah it doesn't install
Jan 10 15:50:35 <jsabeaudry> openjdk-6-vm-jamvm*
Jan 10 15:50:36 <jwinnebeck> that's why I know about that jvm conf file
Jan 10 15:50:47 <jwinnebeck> So the sed fails but it still installs the files
Jan 10 15:50:52 <jwinnebeck> it just fails to run postinst
Jan 10 15:51:00 <jwinnebeck> Well all postinst does is change the UNKNOWN to KNOWN in that file
Jan 10 15:51:03 <jwinnebeck> for the corresponding entry
Jan 10 15:51:10 <jwinnebeck> so if you manually edit that file to do the same, it will work
Jan 10 15:51:20 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: I see!
Jan 10 15:51:29 <jwinnebeck> If opkg is like dpkg though it will leave the package in the installed but unconfigured state unfortunately
Jan 10 15:51:49 <jwinnebeck> I don't know enough about bitbake to know how to adjust the postinst in the package
Jan 10 15:52:26 <jwinnebeck> And to be honest I didn't immediately see the problem with \ except that I'm thinking that maybe the \s are supposed to be escaped (meaning \\ )
Jan 10 15:52:43 <jwinnebeck> sed is the worst program and best program ever
Jan 10 15:52:58 <jwinnebeck> I've made several attempts to learn it and figured it out then proceeded to forget it all
Jan 10 15:53:04 <jwinnebeck> plus sed scripts are mostly "write-only"
Jan 10 16:07:33 <ril3y> Hello everyone,  I have a quick question.  I recently got a beagle bone.  I updated it to the latest angstrom  release with cloud9 ide.  It boots and I can get access to the ide.  However I am unable to see the serial port register on my mac or linux box.  Is there something that I need to be doing to get the serial port to "register" with the system?  I have installed the drivers for osx and did the mod probe command for linux.  Still nothing.  However I will 
Jan 10 16:07:34 <ril3y> that in OSX i get a beagle_bone usb drive that mounts.  Is this normal?  
Jan 10 16:08:07 <av500> you need to modprobe with the correct params
Jan 10 16:09:24 <ril3y> in osx?
Jan 10 16:11:31 <av500> in linux
Jan 10 16:11:37 <av500> no idea for osx
Jan 10 16:27:06 <ril3y> Yah, that is my issue.  I am not really sure whats going on as its not showing up in either os.  Configuration issue?  Its using the vanilla Angrstrom beagle bone image.
Jan 10 16:54:03 * av500 is bored by news of "$RANDOM_THING done in javascript"
Jan 10 16:54:49 <mru> not entirely random
Jan 10 16:55:04 <mru> it's "thing that should absolutely not be done anywhere near a browser"
Jan 10 16:59:50 <av500> mru: you mean like javascript?
Jan 10 17:00:19 <mru> have they done a js interpreter in js yet?
Jan 10 17:00:42 <mru> yes, I know about pypy and completely fail to see the point
Jan 10 17:17:19 <av500> http://imgur.com/enGEF
Jan 10 17:21:03 <mranostay> heh
Jan 10 18:01:18 <piezo> is this normal: [    0.000000] OMAP3630 ES1.2 (l2cache neon isp 192mhz_clk )
Jan 10 18:01:18 <piezo>  ?
Jan 10 18:09:15 <av500> piezo: amnesia?
Jan 10 18:55:16 <aholler> piezo: do you see ERROR or WARNING somewhere?
Jan 10 19:17:53 <jsabeaudry> Anyone got iptables working on the beaglebone?
Jan 10 19:20:20 <aholler> its a linux
Jan 10 19:21:09 <aholler> _normal_ no android without root
Jan 10 19:41:12 <_av500_> android has root just fine
Jan 10 19:46:07 <aholler> like the real ones, you never see them
Jan 10 19:47:25 <aholler> hidden like truffels
Jan 10 19:59:11 <_av500_> xactly
Jan 10 20:47:38 <xkenneth> Can anyone give me some quick pointers on getting the RTC working?
Jan 10 20:50:26 <mru> 1) build the driver
Jan 10 20:50:29 <mru> 2) set the time
Jan 10 20:50:31 <mru> 3) ???
Jan 10 20:52:45 <xkenneth> Any docs on this?
Jan 10 20:53:12 <mru> you're supposed to say "profit" :)
Jan 10 20:53:57 <mru> seriously though, all you need to do is select the driver in the kernel config
Jan 10 20:54:33 <mru> then use an app like hwclock to access it
Jan 10 20:54:57 <xkenneth> Well, unfortunately I'm a bit of a nooblet, can I add support without recompiling the Kernel? I'm running a prebuilt version of angstrom.
Jan 10 20:55:07 <mru> maybe it's already there
Jan 10 20:55:12 <xkenneth> I missed the south park reference ><
Jan 10 20:55:20 <xkenneth> well, hwclock returns an error and I don't see a dev entry
Jan 10 20:56:55 <xkenneth> there's no dev/misc or /dev/rtc*
Jan 10 21:02:19 <xkenneth> any thoughts mru?
Jan 10 21:02:44 <jay6981> xkenneth: you could check /proc/config.gz and see if the CONFIG option is there
Jan 10 21:03:25 <mru> maybe it's a module
Jan 10 21:03:31 <mru> don't know what it would be called
Jan 10 21:04:59 <xkenneth> I grepped proc/config for rtc or clock and it didn't turn up much
Jan 10 21:09:00 <xkenneth> It should be getting the RTC from the TPS, no? Which is I2C based?
Jan 10 21:09:07 <xkenneth> I made sure I had the I2C tools installed.
Jan 10 21:09:33 <xkenneth> This is what I get when I run hwclock
Jan 10 21:09:35 <xkenneth> root@beagleboard:~# hwclock hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory
Jan 10 21:10:50 <xkenneth> And there are no /dev entries anywhere in that heirarchy that have rtc in them
Jan 10 21:11:06 <_av500_> cat /proc/devices
Jan 10 21:17:06 <xkenneth> http://pastebin.com/nJBD236b
Jan 10 21:17:20 <xkenneth> That's proc/devices output
Jan 10 21:17:24 <xkenneth> I don't see anything related
Jan 10 21:23:17 <xkenneth> Was my kernel not built for the RTC module? CAn I add it?
Jan 10 21:41:49 <xkenneth> I guess I will roll my own kernel at some point in the future
Jan 10 22:43:35 <piezo> anybody here?
Jan 10 22:43:52 <thurbad> sort of
Jan 10 22:44:00 <piezo> which kernel is should use? mainline 3.1 or tmlind/linux-omap 3.2-rcX
Jan 10 22:44:25 <piezo> cause my mainline 3.1 with patches wont boot :|
Jan 10 22:44:34 <piezo> no output on dvi/hdmi (xM board)
Jan 10 22:46:21 <thurbad> do you have a usb-serial connector for a terminal?
Jan 10 22:46:56 <piezo> unfortunately i dont have any sort of serial connector here
Jan 10 22:47:05 <mru> get one
Jan 10 22:47:11 <thurbad> makes it hard to diagnose without that
Jan 10 22:47:14 <piezo> but w8, maybe... i think there can be one in my laptop :D
Jan 10 22:48:42 <piezo> just saw an tty0S in my /dev :)
Jan 10 22:49:09 <jayabharath> jkridner: ping
Jan 10 22:50:27 <piezo> i think i only have a nullmodem cable
Jan 10 22:51:03 <piezo> can i connect it via some wires
Jan 10 22:51:10 <thurbad> don't need null-modem on the xM
Jan 10 22:52:04 <piezo> thurbad i only have one, i just have the serial port on the computer and then..nothing ;)
Jan 10 22:57:36 <jkridner__> jayabharath: pong
Jan 10 22:57:50 <jkridner__> I've just got a minute.  have a dinner to go to.
Jan 10 23:05:13 <jayabharath> jkridner__ :Finally the PandaBoard Planet RSS feed on PandaBoard.org are back online (they died when Google decided to drop social sharing features from Google Reader).Thanks to : http://bit.ly/yBke5W
Jan 10 23:05:29 <jayabharath> jkridner__: wanted to let you incase you want to use the same setup
Jan 10 23:05:45 <jayabharath> jkridner__: will let you go for dinner? ciao
Jan 10 23:22:03 <piezo> how many pins do i need for serial?
Jan 10 23:22:20 <aholler> 3
Jan 10 23:23:06 <piezo> pin 5, 2, 3?
Jan 10 23:23:36 <aholler> tx, rx, gnd
Jan 10 23:27:54 <piezo> im getting no signal ;<
Jan 10 23:28:22 <piezo> only have a nullmodem cable, pinned out 2, 3, 5 on breadboard and then to the beagle with 2,3 swapped
Jan 10 23:28:46 <aholler> if iz doesn't work, exchange 2 and 3
Jan 10 23:29:28 <piezo> nothing, hmm
Jan 10 23:29:39 <piezo> 115200 baud, 8,N,1
Jan 10 23:30:12 <aholler> when you tunr the device on a 60 (xm) or 40 (classic) should appear
Jan 10 23:30:14 <thurbad> are you counting right on the header output?
Jan 10 23:30:31 <piezo> left side, argh !
Jan 10 23:31:17 <piezo> now its working, thanks
Jan 10 23:31:54 <piezo> i get some *** Warning - readenv() failed...bla bla
Jan 10 23:32:23 <piezo> "Loading file "/boot/uImage" from mmc device 0:2 (xxa2) then it hangs, no output on dvi nor serial
Jan 10 23:33:08 <thurbad> did you put your kernel in the /boot directory on the root partition?
Jan 10 23:33:44 <piezo> it is on the first partition from sdcard
Jan 10 23:37:17 <piezo> mhh prebuilt boots without any problem, i used the mainline 3.2 kernel with some patches
Jan 10 23:37:42 <piezo> built the uboot image (uimage) and copied it directly to the sdcard, did i miss something?
Jan 10 23:38:52 <aholler> some patches?
Jan 10 23:39:08 <piezo> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/tree/master/patches these
Jan 10 23:39:19 <aholler> modules?
Jan 10 23:39:27 <piezo> no modules at all
Jan 10 23:39:30 <aholler> correct config
Jan 10 23:39:33 <aholler> ?[5~
Jan 10 23:39:45 <piezo> dont want modules, or is the kernel size too big for that?
Jan 10 23:39:54 <aholler> no
Jan 10 23:39:59 <UNTEngineer> hello
Jan 10 23:40:20 <piezo> okay, i built it without modules, deleted the initrd from uEnv.txt (so no initrd loads)
Jan 10 23:40:50 <UNTEngineer> is it possible to load OpenCV on the Beaglebone in Angstrom?
Jan 10 23:41:07 <aholler> but you have changed the config, try the one you haven't changed (even with modules) and start changing stuff if that boots (even without modules the kernel should boot until some point)
Jan 10 23:41:42 <aholler> s/without modules(wothout installing modules/
Jan 10 23:42:35 <_av500_> UNTEngineer: sure, angstrom has opencv pacjages
Jan 10 23:42:53 <UNTEngineer> cool
Jan 10 23:43:19 <piezo> aholler: compiler problem?
Jan 10 23:43:38 <piezo> sourcery g++ lite 2011.03-41
Jan 10 23:43:52 <aholler> broken crystal ball, at least "starting..." should appear
Jan 10 23:44:01 <aholler> after loading
Jan 10 23:44:09 <piezo> it  boots with prebuilt kernel ;D
Jan 10 23:44:36 <piezo> aholler: switch to german? =)
Jan 10 23:44:41 <piezo> if you want
Jan 10 23:47:17 <UNTEngineer> is there a tutorial somewhere to walk me through installing opencv in angstrom? Im trying to get a cmos camera to give me live video feed
Jan 10 23:51:09 <piezo> building the kernel with defconfig now, testing this then...only have a limited machine here for that (dualcore 2ghz)
Jan 10 23:53:11 <piezo> so again, mainline (with patches if they are working) or linux-omap from git?
Jan 11 00:10:00 <aholler> start with mainline without patches
Jan 11 00:10:16 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 11 00:10:36 <mru> aholler: but everything is more fun with patches
Jan 11 00:15:53 <aholler> patch <$RANDOM ;)
Jan 11 00:18:52 <piezo> aholler: 1ghz clock isnt enabled on the most kernels, does the hack work
Jan 11 00:19:07 <piezo> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/blob/master/patches/beagle/0001-beagle-hack-enable-1Ghz.patch
Jan 11 00:19:19 <aholler> currently you have 0ghz
Jan 11 00:20:18 <mru> that hack works for me
Jan 11 00:20:18 <piezo> hrhr
Jan 11 00:20:32 <mru> but apparently it depends on the chip
Jan 11 00:20:43 <mru> some are more sensitive than others
Jan 11 00:21:27 <piezo> mh, 900 would be okay i think
Jan 11 00:29:06 <aholler> Premature optimization is the root of all evil.
Jan 11 00:37:37 <piezo> aholler: just a question... why are the repos from omapzoom, launchpad, etc... so outdated? are they moving on to directly upstream to linux kernel... i dont understand why so many people having so many different device trees and so on
Jan 11 00:38:57 <piezo> beagleboard validation, omapzoom, launchpad, linaro bla bla bla, ?!
Jan 11 00:39:08 <piezo> i am confused about this
Jan 11 00:39:12 <aholler> did you find a reference to a repo at beagleboard.org?
Jan 11 00:41:44 <piezo> mhh not really
Jan 11 00:42:28 <aholler> so thats the answer. second answer would be why you haven't used mainline
Jan 11 00:43:10 <aholler> and the third has already come from mru (see above)
Jan 11 00:45:28 <aholler> I assume everyone started with a beagle has had the same question, including me ;)
Jan 11 00:48:18 <aholler> beagleboard.org sells the hw, sw is excluded ;)
Jan 11 00:48:57 <piezo> haha =) okay
Jan 11 00:49:08 <piezo> in the meanwhile i made me some eggs and bacon, nice
Jan 11 00:54:11 <piezo> have you some exp. with pandaboard?
Jan 11 00:55:12 <aholler> no
Jan 11 00:59:06 <piezo> oh okay
Jan 11 01:05:53 <cwicks> good morning beaglers
Jan 11 01:10:08 <CanyonMan> I find it pecular that ti support directed me to the forums, saying "your question sounds very technical"
Jan 11 01:10:09 <CanyonMan> what the hll
Jan 11 01:12:04 <mru> CanyonMan: what was the question?
Jan 11 01:13:03 * ds2 throws morning bones around
Jan 11 01:14:06 <aholler> hmm, not far enough
Jan 11 01:14:54 <CanyonMan> It wasn't even a software question
Jan 11 01:15:04 <CanyonMan> I asked about the TPS65172B or whatever the heck that pmic chip is
Jan 11 01:15:15 <mru> we usually call it a twl4030
Jan 11 01:15:21 <mru> easier to remember
Jan 11 01:15:23 <ds2> mru: that sounds like the bone
Jan 11 01:15:29 <ds2> not the classic or xM
Jan 11 01:15:29 <mru> oh right
Jan 11 01:15:37 <mru> see what I mean?
Jan 11 01:15:44 <ds2> no twl mirrors :(
Jan 11 01:15:59 <CanyonMan> sorry I mean the one on the bone.  I was just trying to reconcile exactlyhow the battery charger would work if the bone supported it
Jan 11 01:16:31 <ds2> it would work by following appropriate chemistry rules to avoid any catastrophic sudden discharged of energy
Jan 11 01:16:35 <mru> that sounds very technical
Jan 11 01:16:51 <CanyonMan> The chip doesn't have the boost regulator necessary to make a complete system work on a 3.7V battery.  Fine.  I get that.
Jan 11 01:17:01 <mru> ds2: sudden exothermic reactions?
Jan 11 01:17:20 <CanyonMan> but if you add a boost regulator, I'm not precisely sure how to feed it back into the system.  Does the IC provide any kind of switching/failover at all?
Jan 11 01:17:21 <ds2> yes, that sort of things
Jan 11 01:17:37 <ds2> there is power path management within there.
Jan 11 01:17:43 <CanyonMan> I was surprised that this question got me directed to the foums.
Jan 11 01:18:10 <aholler> they don't want to do your homework
Jan 11 01:18:19 <CanyonMan> haha homework
Jan 11 01:20:56 <CanyonMan> That'd be some homework question
Jan 11 01:21:15 <CanyonMan> "figure out how to make this work, and by the way, the data sheet doesn't get released for 3-4 more weeks, and good luck!"
Jan 11 01:21:29 <mru> deadline in 2 weeks
Jan 11 01:21:38 <mru> welcome to the beagle academy
Jan 11 01:24:32 <aholler> http://www.ti.com/product/tps65217b#technicaldocuments
Jan 11 01:24:46 <aholler> that doesn't answer your questions?
Jan 11 01:26:09 <CanyonMan> no it really doesn't.  On page 3 you can see where the battery goes
Jan 11 01:26:31 <CanyonMan> but if you look through that data sheet, it doesn't even say it's supposed to be a 3.7V battery.  It just says "single cell."  The closest to a 'spec' is the bone system manual
Jan 11 01:26:46 <CanyonMan> there is a "power management path" there you see
Jan 11 01:27:36 <CanyonMan> but does that fet Q2 feed back in to power it ... or is Q2 merely there for charging
Jan 11 01:28:29 <CanyonMan> I'm thinking it does *not* feed it back, because the low dropout linear regulators won't have enough headroom to operate with a 3.7V battery without a boost converter (as the bone manual alludes)
Jan 11 01:29:58 <CanyonMan> well.  I can wait for the part to be formally released with docs
Jan 11 01:30:06 <CanyonMan> right now i'm just more curious than anything.
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Jan 11 05:37:26 <_av500_> CanyonMan: a single cell is a well defined term
Jan 11 05:37:36 <_av500_> andthe battery is not 3.7v anyway
Jan 11 05:37:45 <_av500_> its anything between 3.5 and 4.2v
Jan 11 05:38:10 <_av500_> 3.5 emptym 4.2 full
Jan 11 05:38:16 <_av500_> 4.3 exploded
Jan 11 06:17:02 <ds2> actually it can go down to like 2.7 on some
Jan 11 06:46:14 <dfsmith> Is there a canonical pinmux for the beaglebone?  I'm getting IO Set violations (in GEMAC) when I feed the schematic in to the TI AM335x pinmux utility.
Jan 11 06:47:57 <ds2> just do it by hand
Jan 11 06:50:32 <dfsmith> That's what I did!  Ball H18 from the schematic is not valid.
Jan 11 07:01:09 <ds2> eh?
Jan 11 07:01:39 <ds2> did you see the ball missing on the board or/
Jan 11 07:01:41 <ds2> ?
Jan 11 07:05:24 <dfsmith> On the schematic, page 4...
Jan 11 07:06:01 <dfsmith> The GMII1 pins are muxed to various RMII1 states.  However, that mux set is not valid for the AM3359.
Jan 11 07:06:27 <ds2> oh you want to use ethernet
Jan 11 07:07:14 <dfsmith> The beaglebone does... so I presume it's hardware mapped.  (And it does work!  So I suspect the schematic is incorrect.)
Jan 11 07:07:32 <ds2> how do you know that mux is invalid?
Jan 11 07:07:33 <dfsmith> Hence the desire to find a canonical pinmux...
Jan 11 07:07:44 <dfsmith> I think I'll have to read it out of the chip directly.
Jan 11 07:08:59 <dfsmith> (E.g., in the schematic ball H16 is shown as RMII1_COL; but there's no mux for that.)
Jan 11 07:09:13 <ds2> again, I ask, how do you know that?
Jan 11 07:09:31 <av500> canonical pinmux?
Jan 11 07:09:38 <av500> blessed by the pinpope?
Jan 11 07:09:50 <dfsmith> Blessed by hardware (hopefully)  B-)
Jan 11 07:10:21 <dfsmith> ds2: I "know" that from the TI pinmux program.  I.e., it's a vague definition of "know".
Jan 11 07:10:30 <ds2> again. I say do it by hand
Jan 11 07:10:34 <ds2> chuck that pinmux program
Jan 11 07:11:11 <dfsmith> ds2: Do you mean "read the registers" by "do it by hand"?
Jan 11 07:12:10 <ds2> No. RTFM + a spreadsheet
Jan 11 07:12:51 <dfsmith> Ah, so RTFM should be a tie-breaker between the conflicting pinmux program and the schematic?
Jan 11 07:13:04 <ds2> I'd trust the FM more then the pinmux program
Jan 11 07:13:14 <dfsmith> Good to know!
Jan 11 07:13:48 <dfsmith> (I usually trust the other way round... I.e., the engineers debug more than the documentation team.)
Jan 11 07:14:19 <ds2> yes
Jan 11 07:14:29 <ds2> but compared to a program written by who knows what?
Jan 11 07:14:42 <ds2> if I had a choice, I'd ask the guys writing the IP or debugging the chop
Jan 11 07:57:49 <dfsmith> dm2: (FYI) After RTFM (4500 pages of TRM!) again and the HRM, there's no register map for pin muxing.  Everthing points back to the utility program and the files it generates.  (Unless there's a third secret manual.)
Jan 11 07:58:13 <aholler_> read the source luke
Jan 11 07:58:19 <aholler_> hint: kernel.org
Jan 11 07:59:05 <aholler_> and I would wonder if the registers aren't described in the TRM
Jan 11 08:01:25 <aholler> maybe you missed the important pages while reading 4500 pages ;)
Jan 11 08:02:36 <dfsmith> The TRM descibes the pinmux register, but does not appear to list the map of ball ID -> register address.  I'll check the HRM again....
Jan 11 08:03:33 <dfsmith> (In case you missed the beginning of the conversation, there's a discrepancy between the Beaglebone schematic, and the pinmux utility IO sets.)
Jan 11 08:07:04 <aholler> there are many discrepancy, even the link to the TRM at beagleborg.org is 404
Jan 11 08:07:26 <aholler> uups, freud hit me while writing beagleborg.org ;)
Jan 11 08:09:09 <dfsmith> Tell me about the futility of your dog's mother's resistance.
Jan 11 08:11:02 <av500> a 10 Ohm dog?
Jan 11 08:12:27 <aholler> I've already replaced the 0ohm part with a cable to give the dog a sense
Jan 11 08:12:52 <av500> Ah, so it's not a leash, it's a sense wire
Jan 11 08:13:06 <av500> don't wont any voltage drop on my dog
Jan 11 08:19:56 <dfsmith> Ha! Found it!  Table 9-8 page 1219.
Jan 11 08:20:19 <dfsmith> (Cross referenced with the HRM to get the actual mux values.)
Jan 11 08:21:14 <av500> now the muxing can begin
Jan 11 08:21:21 <dfsmith> It doesn't have the IO violations that the pinmux utility (PU) spits out though.  Are they a figment of the PU's imagination?
Jan 11 08:22:38 <aholler> it might have a dream
Jan 11 08:23:20 <dfsmith> Last question before heading to bed...
Jan 11 08:23:54 <dfsmith> The stock beaglebone kernel lists the pin muxes in /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux...
Jan 11 08:24:16 <dfsmith> But I presume they're dubious, given that this in an AM335x, not an OMAP.
Jan 11 08:24:29 <av500> why?
Jan 11 08:24:49 <dfsmith> (E.g., it lists only AIN0-3, whereas BB should have AIN0-7; although they're not muxable.)
Jan 11 08:25:42 <av500> I dont think the kernel keeps a separate mux list only to show it in /sys/kernel/debug/...
Jan 11 08:25:43 <dfsmith> (It also spells uart0_ctsn incorrectly)
Jan 11 08:26:31 <aholler> hmm, we need a spell-checker in the kernel ;)
Jan 11 08:28:02 <aholler> ah, scripts/checkspell.pl is missing ;)
Jan 11 08:29:26 <dfsmith> av500: it may just be missing some entries.  I checked a few random entries, and the registers seem to match up.
Jan 11 08:31:14 <dfsmith> Now I just need the "do not touch" pinmux list (that I was trying to build earlier, but got trapped).  The discrepant pin in the schematic is tagged GPIO in the kernel, so hopefully it's irrelevant.
Jan 11 08:32:42 <aholler> looks like the bone is good starting point for an easy way to become called a kernel hacker;)
Jan 11 08:32:42 <dfsmith> Goodnight all, thanks for listening to me gripe.  B-)
Jan 11 08:33:44 <dfsmith> aholler: not really---many boards and configurations, all subtly different.  E.g., arago vs angstrom
Jan 11 08:34:25 <aholler> ? they are called bone too?
Jan 11 08:35:18 <aholler> hmm, looks like I haven't  understood that
Jan 11 08:36:39 <aholler> just had my first coffee for this day ;)
Jan 11 08:37:03 <dfsmith> aholler: just figuring out which code path is being compiled in is quite a challenge.  Ah, it's much simpler writing general purpose modules!  (Not to mention OpenEmbedded's approach to source code....)  Goodnight.
Jan 11 08:37:38 <aholler> oes approach is called patch
Jan 11 08:53:49 <ds2> I just checked, it is in the FMs
Jan 11 08:54:18 <av500> not the AMs?
Jan 11 11:51:36 <adam_> Hello
Jan 11 11:51:44 <adam_> I need some help about beaglebone
Jan 11 11:53:12 <adam_> Is there any one who can helpme
Jan 11 11:53:40 <av500> adam_: that question cannot be answered
Jan 11 11:54:30 <adam_> I need to use lcd on beaglebone
Jan 11 11:54:47 <adam_> I built new kernel and want to boot with it
Jan 11 11:54:59 <adam_> But on uboot tftp doesn't run
Jan 11 11:55:43 <adam_> I boot with active kernel check my cable and network there is no problem
Jan 11 11:56:02 <adam_> But on uboot I can't ping or tftp
Jan 11 11:56:09 <adam_> I set ipaddr and serverip
Jan 11 11:57:51 <adam_> hello... is there anyone
Jan 11 11:59:00 <koen> there's an hour of my I life I won't get back
Jan 11 11:59:20 <koen> but I do know the differences between awk/nawk/gawk now
Jan 11 11:59:33 <otavio> koen: so tell me heh
Jan 11 12:00:55 <adam_> On uboot tftp doen't work
Jan 11 12:02:57 <koen> otavio: plain awk lacks things like ARGV/ARGC
Jan 11 12:12:04 <nandbert> Hi, I just set up my brandnew beagleboard xM and have successfully installed debian. Now I would like to bake my own kernel. Which git repository do I clone best? So far I tried git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap.git, git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git, and git://github.com/beagleboard/linux, but none of them seems to contain...
Jan 11 12:12:06 <nandbert> ...the directory omap3_beagle_defconfig
Jan 11 12:29:31 <mik_> hi guys, silly question: I am a newbee with beagleboard xm. I used serial cable so far and log in as 'root' & empty password. Now I attached a DVI cable to get the GUI. Isn't the login supposed to be done in the same way? it complains about authorisation failed... any idea?
Jan 11 12:32:15 <nandbert> mik: Hi, I am also a xm newbee. When I booted mine with only HDMI cable attached (no keyboard etc), the login screen just vanished by itself and the angstom desktop appeared ...
Jan 11 12:33:01 <mik_> oh weird...
Jan 11 12:36:12 <mik_> I can log in with another user though... maybe it is not possible to log in as root in GUI mode? 
Jan 11 12:40:53 <nandbert> no idea :)
Jan 11 15:56:42 <xxiao> just checked node.js the default size is about 18MB
Jan 11 15:57:11 <xxiao> after 4 modules(express,sockiet.io.monogoose,backbone) now it's 32MB
Jan 11 15:57:18 <xxiao> pretty heavy
Jan 11 15:58:14 <xxiao> still don't know its memory usage profile
Jan 11 15:58:28 * av500 wonders what a monogoose is, a widowed goose? or gander?
Jan 11 15:58:43 <xxiao> mongoose
Jan 11 15:59:14 <xxiao> guess it's a mongolian goose?
Jan 11 15:59:35 <jsabeaudry> Anyone else is getting some garbage when reading /sys/devices/platform/tsc/ain8 ? I get 2 \x00 characters at the end, which I dont get when reading any other ain
Jan 11 16:02:10 <joelagnel> jsabeaudry, ain8 is connected to the PMIC and is not available on expansion
Jan 11 16:04:31 <jsabeaudry> joelagnel: Still it is the same driver right? Will the other ain also have \x00 characters at the end when the value is under 100 ?
Jan 11 16:05:16 <jsabeaudry> joelagnel: Perhaps a better question is given a driver like that, how do I determine where is the source?
Jan 11 16:05:34 <jsabeaudry> the source code that is
Jan 11 16:08:02 <joelagnel> jsabeaudry, it might be a bug, worked fine for me iirc
Jan 11 16:08:05 <joelagnel> drivers/input/touchscreen/ti_tscadc.c  I think
Jan 11 16:08:21 <joelagnel> night
Jan 11 16:10:23 <jsabeaudry> joelagnel: Ok, I just checked with ain1 by forcing it to GND and I get '1\x00\x00\x00' which means that driver seems to always return 4 characters and padding with \0
Jan 11 16:48:36 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 11 16:49:05 <snowrichard> got my serial cables in, angstrom demo image is letting me log in over ssh and also vnc view
Jan 11 17:19:29 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 11 17:19:40 <snowrichard> i'm on xchat on the beagleboard
Jan 11 17:20:31 <snowrichard> quit the xchat on ubuntu
Jan 11 17:44:09 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 11 18:57:00 <snowrichard> anybody still here/
Jan 11 18:57:39 <_av500_> everybody left
Jan 11 18:57:54 <snowrichard> yeah ok lol... 
Jan 11 18:58:06 <snowrichard> i got the demo image running now, i'm in xchat on it
Jan 11 18:59:00 <woglinde> hi
Jan 11 18:59:03 <snowrichard> Angstrom demo image
Jan 11 19:13:36 <siegen> hi
Jan 11 19:17:03 <djlewis> snowrichard: congrats :)
Jan 11 19:17:40 <snowrichard> got the idc-10 to db9 and null modem off amazon.com
Jan 11 19:27:28 <snowrichard> opkg update took a long time to download, now taking a while to gunzip
Jan 11 19:32:10 <jsabeaudry> Is there a way to make the beaglebone beep?
Jan 11 19:42:35 <Guest72033> hii..iam ashish..i want to ask that from where can i get the drivers for serial,usb for beagleboard xm
Jan 11 19:43:45 <woglinde> that was quikc
Jan 11 19:44:00 <dm8tbr> cops came for his hashish, so he had to run away?
Jan 11 19:44:07 <snowrichard> i ran out of space on my sdcard.... guess i need  a bigger one 
Jan 11 19:44:47 <snowrichard> its 4g
Jan 11 19:46:04 <snowrichard> was trying opkg update
Jan 11 19:48:31 <ash_> need help on drivers for beaglebrd xm
Jan 11 19:50:07 <woglinde> I need money for my xm help!
Jan 11 19:50:08 <snowrichard> http://pastebin.com/A45qu5i3
Jan 11 19:50:25 <snowrichard> shows angstrom partition full
Jan 11 19:51:50 <siegen> and just doing an opkg update?
Jan 11 19:51:56 <snowrichard> yeah
Jan 11 19:52:24 <ash_> from wer to get srial drivers for beaglebrd xm
Jan 11 19:52:29 <ash_> serial
Jan 11 19:52:34 <siegen> and what did you have in that partition
Jan 11 19:52:40 <siegen> just the angstrom fs?
Jan 11 19:52:45 <snowrichard> the angstrom demo image 
Jan 11 19:52:47 <snowrichard> rootfs
Jan 11 19:52:59 <siegen> buff for me sounds really strange
Jan 11 19:53:16 <dm8tbr> ash_: why would you need a usb driver for it?
Jan 11 19:53:36 <siegen> but bb is still operating
Jan 11 19:53:37 <siegen> ??
Jan 11 19:53:47 <snowrichard> yeah its running
Jan 11 19:54:27 <ash_> i wanna know that do i have to write drivers for each and every peripheral i m using wiht beaglebrd xm
Jan 11 19:54:30 <snowrichard> got a vnc open and the ssh to root
Jan 11 19:54:45 <siegen> ash_: no why
Jan 11 19:55:13 <siegen> there is a bunch of devices drivers supported in kernel 
Jan 11 19:55:18 <snowrichard> just killed the vnc
Jan 11 19:55:36 <ash_> coz vendor is not providing me with any BSP so how to interface the peripherals
Jan 11 19:56:33 <nandbert> hi folks, is the SPI slave mode supported by the linux driver? Anybody been using it?
Jan 11 19:58:22 <ash_> siegen: can u suggest some sites to get descent info about beaglebrd xm]
Jan 11 19:59:07 <siegen> siegen: sorry man i am dealing with previous version bb c4
Jan 11 19:59:31 <siegen> ash_: but what kind of peripherial you want to talk with
Jan 11 20:00:59 <siegen> nandbert: as far as i know i think was not supported
Jan 11 20:02:13 <ash_> i have used DEVKIT8000 clone of BB and it is providing with BSG for serial, usb OTG,nand flash boot...so i m confused about how to work in bb-xm as it is nt providing with BSG CD
Jan 11 20:04:12 <ash_> BSP
Jan 11 20:04:50 <woglinde> are you talking about windows drivers?
Jan 11 20:06:38 <ash_> no...i want to develop my application on UBUNTU on bb-xm..but do kernal image has all dis drivers by default
Jan 11 20:08:20 <woglinde> ?
Jan 11 20:08:35 <woglinde> I can not see your problem
Jan 11 20:08:56 <woglinde> und xm is never shipped with a BSP ubuntu cd
Jan 11 20:09:01 <woglinde> because there is none
Jan 11 20:10:19 <ash_> i have ordered bb-xm..after loading ubuntu on SDcard and operating on ubuntu..do i need to install serial, usb, lcd and other drivers??
Jan 11 20:12:07 <ash_> coz people told that i have to write driver code for each preiphrals being used
Jan 11 20:12:32 <siegen> that's not true
Jan 11 20:14:01 <ash_> so can u explain me d brief procedure of setting up an environment to be used for application dev. on bb-xm
Jan 11 20:14:19 <woglinde> ash did you ever installed and running a linux?
Jan 11 20:14:38 <siegen> good question
Jan 11 20:15:03 <ash_> nope
Jan 11 20:15:22 <ash_> im workin for d first time
Jan 11 20:17:10 <jwinnebeck> woglinde: Hi I see you're around, I got the openjdk to compile, BTW and I tried all 4 JVMs. There was an error in the postinsts with sed; I ran their tasks manually to edit the jvm.cfg file
Jan 11 20:17:58 <woglinde> yes
Jan 11 20:18:11 <woglinde> shame on me about the sed errors
Jan 11 20:18:17 <woglinde> I think I have them fixed
Jan 11 20:18:24 <woglinde> I compiling now too
Jan 11 20:18:25 <ash_> woglinde:can you tell me wer m i goin and how should i do it
Jan 11 20:18:41 <woglinde> ash only if you pay me
Jan 11 20:18:55 <woglinde> otherwise I cannt explain you linux on irc
Jan 11 20:18:55 <ash_> kk
Jan 11 20:19:26 <woglinde> jwinnebeck and what are the results besides not working shark
Jan 11 20:19:39 <jwinnebeck> All crash except for jamvm
Jan 11 20:19:50 <jwinnebeck> Zero crashes because it is compiled to run in mixed mode with JIT
Jan 11 20:19:52 <jwinnebeck> which is odd
Jan 11 20:19:57 <jwinnebeck> because I didn't think Zero supported JIT
Jan 11 20:20:17 <siegen> ash_: first install in your host a ubuntu linux 
Jan 11 20:20:33 <ash_> kk
Jan 11 20:20:33 <jwinnebeck> But apparently it does in some 16000 line hand-coded asm that they will no longer support and it causes signal 11 (segfault)
Jan 11 20:20:54 <jwinnebeck> But the bug report I read also said icedtea 1.10 wouldn't have it anymore, and I think you had 1.11 or something
Jan 11 20:21:09 <woglinde> jwinnebeck hm
Jan 11 20:21:25 <woglinde> its the thumbee support in zero
Jan 11 20:21:25 <jwinnebeck> Zero worked for me before with what is in the repos now, but also the zero from git ran for awhil ebefore it crashed, so it's not consistent
Jan 11 20:21:35 <woglinde> it was deactivated after 1.8
Jan 11 20:21:36 <siegen> ash_: it will make your live easier when developing on beagleboard
Jan 11 20:21:38 <jwinnebeck> yeah I do remember that
Jan 11 20:21:43 <woglinde> and reactivated for 1.11
Jan 11 20:21:52 <woglinde> which comes out on 18.1
Jan 11 20:21:58 <jwinnebeck> Maybe it's not... jsabeaudry is the one that found it, he has the same problem with the Zero in meta-java git
Jan 11 20:22:13 <ash_> kk..thanks
Jan 11 20:22:33 <siegen> ash_: i was in that situation time ago
Jan 11 20:22:42 <jwinnebeck> jamvm was about 3x slower than oracle jvm
Jan 11 20:22:48 <woglinde> okay
Jan 11 20:23:21 <woglinde> jwinnebeck can you report the zero crashes to the icedtea project?
Jan 11 20:23:21 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Did you decide on your vm?
Jan 11 20:23:48 <jsabeaudry> woglinde: It seems to be BUG 720 on the bugzilla
Jan 11 20:23:51 <jwinnebeck> woglinde: well if the bug report jsabeaudry is the same (at least the report I have would be the same; signal 11 on ARM), then it's already reported
Jan 11 20:24:00 <woglinde> hm
Jan 11 20:24:09 <woglinde> strange I thought they are fixed
Jan 11 20:24:50 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: for now we want to focus on functionality I've spent a lot of time on openjdk compiling again, so for now we will likely use the oracle JVM, the costs are not prohibitive and it is free for development, and jamvm works well enough that if the cost was an issue we can use it
Jan 11 20:25:08 <jwinnebeck> jamvm also supports JIT according to the website but it doesn't seem to perform like it
Jan 11 20:25:13 <woglinde> ah hm
Jan 11 20:25:14 <woglinde> http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea6/rev/57ae0e361acf
Jan 11 20:25:27 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: You had crashes on cacao also?
Jan 11 20:25:49 <woglinde> looks like I need to bump the hg version
Jan 11 20:26:00 <jwinnebeck> Right now it's sort of what we said before which is we poke our head up and look around and it still looks bad, we are months or more from deployment and we can reeval then but I want to write more Java and less makefiles :)
Jan 11 20:26:01 <woglinde> jwinnebeck you could try it yourself
Jan 11 20:26:14 <woglinde> bump the hg version to the latest
Jan 11 20:26:17 <woglinde> and rebuild
Jan 11 20:26:38 <jwinnebeck> hg oh no not another system I've never used I was just starting git :)
Jan 11 20:26:54 <jwinnebeck> wow that is only 2 days old
Jan 11 20:27:07 <jsabeaudry> speaking of building, could not figur out where the ouput of building console-image is....
Jan 11 20:27:10 <jwinnebeck> I thought zero discontinued this?
Jan 11 20:27:49 <woglinde> it's back
Jan 11 20:27:50 <jwinnebeck> oh wait or does the bitbake actually just check out the source from the upstream and all of this code isn't actually in the git?
Jan 11 20:27:58 <woglinde> aph got hired for it or so
Jan 11 20:28:06 <woglinde> no
Jan 11 20:28:12 <woglinde> version is pinned
Jan 11 20:28:35 <woglinde> otherwise its unpredictable
Jan 11 20:28:40 <jwinnebeck> but does the bitbake in meta-java actually just hg checkout and build it?
Jan 11 20:28:44 <woglinde> yes
Jan 11 20:28:45 <jwinnebeck> or is the code actually in the git meta-java
Jan 11 20:28:49 <jwinnebeck> ok, I didn't realize that
Jan 11 20:29:01 <jwinnebeck> so if I install/figure out hg I can figure out where that code is and update it?
Jan 11 20:29:21 <woglinde> openjdk-6_6b24_hg.bb
Jan 11 20:29:32 <woglinde> SRCREV = "cf80d2049346"
Jan 11 20:29:32 <jwinnebeck> Also when I installed this, it made every ipk on the planet, I only copied openjdk-*.ipk and installed
Jan 11 20:29:53 <jwinnebeck> I dunno if the openjdk has deps, if so I didn't update I don't know if that's a problem
Jan 11 20:30:03 <jwinnebeck> you weren't around so I wasn't sure what ipks to take
Jan 11 20:30:10 <woglinde> ah no
Jan 11 20:30:14 <woglinde> boomer
Jan 11 20:30:17 <woglinde> http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/release/icedtea6-1.11/rev/ad4d331b4cd0
Jan 11 20:30:27 <woglinde> args only shrak
Jan 11 20:30:36 <woglinde> damn I am confused again
Jan 11 20:30:39 <jwinnebeck> wow
Jan 11 20:30:49 <jwinnebeck> Well I've never seen shark work,.... so
Jan 11 20:30:57 <woglinde> hm
Jan 11 20:31:05 <woglinde> llvm 2.7 worked
Jan 11 20:31:06 <jwinnebeck> What JVM does Oracle use?
Jan 11 20:31:09 <jwinnebeck> I thought Oracle open sourced it
Jan 11 20:31:24 <woglinde> zero
Jan 11 20:31:29 <jwinnebeck> openjdk and Oracle Java don't share VMs apparently
Jan 11 20:31:30 <woglinde> the opensourced
Jan 11 20:31:44 <jwinnebeck> OK so what happened, oracle continued it as closed source then?
Jan 11 20:31:55 <woglinde> dont know for arm
Jan 11 20:31:56 <jwinnebeck> because the Oracle J2SE for ARM so far works very well
Jan 11 20:32:08 <woglinde> ask oracle
Jan 11 20:32:19 <jwinnebeck> ok I thought maybe you would know something more than I do
Jan 11 20:32:32 <jwinnebeck> Because I thought zero was a port of hotspot without the asm
Jan 11 20:32:46 <jwinnebeck> now I learn it's not hotspot and it apparently has ASM in it for thumbee at least
Jan 11 20:33:16 <jwinnebeck> When I update the bb file is there anything I have to tell bitbake to do to "start over" or will it figure it out?
Jan 11 20:36:34 <jwinnebeck> well trying anyway... bitbake openjdk-6 on ec36b4069f06
Jan 11 20:36:47 <jwinnebeck> I didn't take that shark one, they edited the makefile
Jan 11 20:36:57 <jwinnebeck> I was afraid that might break your build scripts if shark isn't set to compile
Jan 11 20:37:23 <jwinnebeck> hmm I must not understand hg, it gave me unknown revision ec36b4069f06
Jan 11 20:39:26 <jwinnebeck> woglinde: do I have to do an hg update manually?
Jan 11 20:39:48 <jwinnebeck> I updated the SRCREV
Jan 11 20:40:57 <woglinde> jwinnebeck update only the SRCREV
Jan 11 20:41:14 <jwinnebeck> I did, I just modified that bb file for SRCREV to ec36b4069f06 then did bitbake openjdk-6
Jan 11 20:41:27 <jwinnebeck> after doing a git pull --rebase on meta-java but I got nothing there
Jan 11 20:41:33 <woglinde> args
Jan 11 20:41:37 <woglinde> bitbaek openjdk-6
Jan 11 20:41:48 <woglinde> bitbake sees the new hg version
Jan 11 20:41:52 <woglinde> and builds the packages
Jan 11 20:42:14 <jwinnebeck> Yeah and it starts but it fails the do_fetch due to unknown revision ec36b4069f06
Jan 11 20:42:28 <woglinde> jwinnebeck please join #jalimo
Jan 11 20:42:41 <jwinnebeck> wait this is odd
Jan 11 20:42:48 <jwinnebeck> your link is different
Jan 11 20:42:54 <jwinnebeck> http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea6/rev/57ae0e361acf that is not the ec one
Jan 11 20:43:15 <jwinnebeck> oh I was in release/icedtea6-1.11
Jan 11 20:43:20 <jwinnebeck> I took the wrong branch
Jan 11 20:43:25 <woglinde>  #jalimo
Jan 11 20:44:13 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 11 21:59:34 <xxiao> cortexM3 is more expensive than arm9? or mips
Jan 11 21:59:41 <xxiao> can't be true
Jan 11 21:59:55 <SilicaGel> hm
Jan 11 22:00:01 <SilicaGel> doesn't sound plausible
Jan 11 22:00:04 <SilicaGel> arm 9 is old though
Jan 11 22:00:19 <xxiao> arm9 is sold by truck load in some cases
Jan 11 22:00:29 <xxiao> they don't even count the numbers
Jan 11 22:00:57 <xxiao> for cortexM3, i have TI.NXP.ST
Jan 11 22:01:20 <SilicaGel> yeah
Jan 11 22:01:22 <xxiao> M4=M3+DSP
Jan 11 22:01:25 <SilicaGel> I use the NXP ones
Jan 11 22:01:35 <SilicaGel> in fact I just got an LPC1758 (maybe 58?) board
Jan 11 22:01:42 <xxiao> i need one with 2 USB hosts, or one USB/H + camera interface
Jan 11 22:01:54 <SilicaGel> my limitation was needing ones with can
Jan 11 22:02:06 <xxiao> why not 335x then?
Jan 11 22:02:22 <xxiao> the ST one with USB/Camera is $7 for 1k unit
Jan 11 22:02:30 <SilicaGel> that's nice
Jan 11 22:02:36 <SilicaGel> I just haven't used ST stuff is all
Jan 11 22:02:36 <xxiao> ?
Jan 11 22:02:44 <SilicaGel> i mean besides the core,
Jan 11 22:03:00 <SilicaGel> there's also familiarity with vendor peripherals and stuff...you know what i mean
Jan 11 22:03:18 <xxiao> arm9+USB+camera+codec(video,graphic) is $11 from Freescale/imx27
Jan 11 22:03:26 <SilicaGel> yeah
Jan 11 22:04:00 <xxiao> i would think M3 at $3-$4 for 2 USB Host port is reasonable, sigh
Jan 11 22:04:08 <xxiao> then i will run uclinux with it
Jan 11 22:04:26 <SilicaGel> really hrm.
Jan 11 22:04:32 <SilicaGel> Ever try FreeRTOS?
Jan 11 22:04:42 <xxiao> played it in the past
Jan 11 22:04:55 <xxiao> also the tinyos
Jan 11 22:05:02 <xxiao> which is a pain, the NesC?
Jan 11 22:05:12 <SilicaGel> oh
Jan 11 22:05:24 <xxiao> for really light weight, i think contiki is nice
Jan 11 22:05:24 <SilicaGel> I ported FreeRTOS to LPC2148 based on another LPC port that was close enough
Jan 11 22:05:34 <SilicaGel> i'm not familiar with that
Jan 11 22:05:57 <xxiao> contiki has the 6lowpan thing, how about freertos on that front?
Jan 11 22:06:08 <SilicaGel> http://www.contiki-os.org/ ??
Jan 11 22:06:44 <xxiao> yes
Jan 11 22:06:57 <SilicaGel> haha it has been ported to the game boy
Jan 11 22:06:59 <SilicaGel> that's nice.
Jan 11 22:07:03 <SilicaGel> and Apple II
Jan 11 22:07:04 <SilicaGel> also nice
Jan 11 22:07:09 <SilicaGel> :-D
Jan 11 22:07:11 <xxiao> for example, TI's newest zigbee stuff(6lowpan) is using that
Jan 11 22:07:23 <SilicaGel> oh is it?  neat.
Jan 11 22:07:34 <SilicaGel> do you work in this area (wireless sensors) ?
Jan 11 22:07:44 <xxiao> sort of at the side
Jan 11 22:08:05 <xxiao> mostly zigbee but the spec sucks
Jan 11 22:08:28 <xxiao> e.g. you can't run two profiles at the same time
Jan 11 22:08:30 <jwinnebeck> interesting http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org appears to be down, no opkg :(
Jan 11 22:08:59 <xxiao> say if you have a helloworld.elf and a hellomoon.elf you will need reprogram the board to run each
Jan 11 22:09:16 <xxiao> i mean reflash the whole board, not just replacing the two binaries
Jan 11 22:10:15 <xxiao> if you need monitor energy and home automation, you need two gateway devices, just because their source code is 10% different
Jan 11 22:11:01 <SilicaGel> yeah
Jan 11 22:11:10 <SilicaGel> I have done some things with 802.15.4 radios butn ever the actual zigbee stack
Jan 11 22:11:39 <xxiao> i feel zigbee spec is written by a marketing guy, as they're only good at that :)
Jan 11 22:11:47 <SilicaGel> it was written by a stupid consortium
Jan 11 22:11:55 <SilicaGel> most standards consortiums output poop
Jan 11 22:12:02 <jwinnebeck> is xbee related to zigbee?
Jan 11 22:12:06 <SilicaGel> no
Jan 11 22:12:16 <mdp> even better is looking at some zigbee implementations :)
Jan 11 22:12:18 <xxiao> i think xbee does sell some
Jan 11 22:12:23 <SilicaGel> well sort of
Jan 11 22:12:25 <xxiao> zigbee stuff
Jan 11 22:12:30 <mru> is either related to honeybee?
Jan 11 22:12:30 <SilicaGel> xbee i think is 802.15.4 with their own stack
Jan 11 22:12:52 <mru> and if there's zigbee, where's zagbee?
Jan 11 22:12:55 <xxiao> most of the time it's just wirelss uart modem
Jan 11 22:13:14 <xxiao> running 802.15.4 phy
Jan 11 22:13:24 <SilicaGel> yeah
Jan 11 22:13:43 <SilicaGel> which i have to give zigbee credit for at least causing manufacturers to make us nice cheap 802.15.4 chips
Jan 11 22:13:50 <mdp> xbee has their oem stack on top of 802.15.4…but they also have modules with a zigbee stack
Jan 11 22:14:00 <xxiao> mdp: right
Jan 11 22:14:45 <mdp> I hope people quit proliferating that closed zigbee crap
Jan 11 22:14:46 <xxiao> z-wave is another alternative, sold way more than zigbee esp on Home Automation market
Jan 11 22:14:54 <xxiao> zigbee now owns more on energy meters
Jan 11 22:15:00 <SilicaGel> have they?
Jan 11 22:15:09 <SilicaGel> z-wave is smarthome specific isn't it?
Jan 11 22:15:36 <xxiao> SilicaGel: well depends, believe it or not, it's also trying to do wireless surveillance
Jan 11 22:15:53 <mdp> xxiao, yep, even if my little town, the local electric company is deploying smart meters..standardized on the zigbee stuff this is has the app profiles for energy usage apps
Jan 11 22:16:04 <mdp> that's why the Nest thermostat also supports real zigbee
Jan 11 22:16:20 * xxiao was thinking if Nest uses zigbee
Jan 11 22:16:30 <mdp> I can confirm that :)
Jan 11 22:16:58 <xxiao> mdp: then further digging, is it TI CC chip?
Jan 11 22:17:02 <SilicaGel> if your town deployes zigbee meters what are the chances you will be able to read them directly from your computer
Jan 11 22:17:07 <mdp> xxiao, yes
Jan 11 22:17:19 <xxiao> mdp: one last digg :), which one is that
Jan 11 22:18:01 <xxiao> the smart meter should use PLC, it's getting better
Jan 11 22:18:03 <mdp> probably should direct you to the sparkfun teardown so I don't talk too much
Jan 11 22:18:22 <SilicaGel> I got in!  $100 !!!
Jan 11 22:18:54 <xxiao> the HA(home automation) should use sub-1Ghz PHY for penetration
Jan 11 22:19:03 <mdp> SilicaGel: you can read them, just like a dedicated device can…if you implement zigbee..but you're not allowed to unless you pay for membership in zigbee consortium
Jan 11 22:19:20 <mdp> again, die zigbee die
Jan 11 22:19:24 <xxiao> 2.4Ghz won't sell in Asia for example, where building is made by concrete with metal nest in
Jan 11 22:19:50 <xxiao> mdp: can't agree more
Jan 11 22:20:15 * xxiao is not sure how zigbee consortium is to charge for 6lowpan
Jan 11 22:21:12 <mdp> xxiao, http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/334, look at the photos..you'll see the chip
Jan 11 22:23:58 <xxiao> mdp: thanks!
Jan 11 22:24:09 <xxiao> for $250 they probably should put a low-power wifi module in
Jan 11 22:24:12 <tlab> angstrom is down?
Jan 11 22:24:29 <SilicaGel> they gave away the whole 200 grand now i see
Jan 11 22:24:42 <xxiao> SilicaGel: what grand?
Jan 11 22:24:52 <mdp> xxiao, CC2530, if you can't make it out from mr blurrycam
Jan 11 22:25:02 <xxiao> mdp: thanks, that helps
Jan 11 22:25:10 <SilicaGel> today was "free day" at sparkfun, they gave away $200,000 worth of $100 gift certificates
Jan 11 22:25:34 <xxiao> really, is it too late?
Jan 11 22:25:39 <SilicaGel> yep all gone
Jan 11 22:25:49 <SilicaGel> I am going to use mine to buy a bunch of E.L. wire, and a couple of ATMega boards with triacs on them to switch them
Jan 11 22:26:16 <SilicaGel> I have an artsy fartsy nerd project in mind similar to the Halloween House that sings Michael Jackson's "Thriller" ... but of a size that can fit on my wall
Jan 11 22:26:49 <xxiao> SilicaGel: i instead want to make a $15 wireless ipcam
Jan 11 22:26:59 <SilicaGel> nice
Jan 11 22:27:01 <SilicaGel> very nice
Jan 11 22:27:06 <xxiao> cortexM3+vga+usbwifi
Jan 11 22:27:21 <SilicaGel> seriously $15?
Jan 11 22:27:36 <xxiao> well you can buy it $50 retail
Jan 11 22:27:43 <xxiao> those are ARM7-based
Jan 11 22:27:44 <SilicaGel> maybe you should make it a little nicer, make it say $25, and do a kickstarter project
Jan 11 22:27:52 <SilicaGel> $50 hm
Jan 11 22:27:55 <SilicaGel> from whom
Jan 11 22:28:19 <xxiao> anywhere, but for a little better quality i'd say $60
Jan 11 22:28:44 <xxiao> foscam.com, this one is $80 or so
Jan 11 22:29:02 <SilicaGel> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16881618077  is that good or crap?
Jan 11 22:31:10 <xxiao> SilicaGel: yeah something like that
Jan 11 22:31:18 <xxiao> SilicaGel: it's not too bad
Jan 11 22:31:21 <SilicaGel> that foscam is on sale according to their web site
Jan 11 22:31:25 <xxiao> esp for indoor
Jan 11 22:31:32 <SilicaGel> My desktops are all linux though
Jan 11 22:31:40 <SilicaGel> wonder if that's well supported
Jan 11 22:31:41 <xxiao> by the way it's running uclinux, you many want to try freertos ono it
Jan 11 22:34:39 <SilicaGel> wow so these foscams are good? beacuse there's a deal on amazon
Jan 11 22:34:41 <SilicaGel> two for $155
Jan 11 22:34:52 <SilicaGel> free shipping with amazon prime
Jan 11 22:35:09 <jsabeaudry> Anyone has used the uarts on the beaglebone?
Jan 11 22:35:22 <jsabeaudry> Is there a sysfs driver?
Jan 11 22:35:27 <SilicaGel> i'm only using the one attached to the serial console
Jan 11 22:37:58 <xxiao> jsabeaudry: why do you need sysfs?
Jan 11 22:38:09 <xxiao> just stty to set it up, then echo stuff to it
Jan 11 22:39:01 <xxiao> sigh, back to my old complain, M3 is too expensive!!
Jan 11 22:39:30 <jsabeaudry> xxiao: I'm very new to all this low level linux stuff, I'm using sysfs for led, gpio, so I thought i would use it for uart too
Jan 11 22:40:03 <SilicaGel> i wouldn't do that
Jan 11 22:40:07 <xxiao> those are easy to do with sysfs, for UART it's a bit different
Jan 11 22:40:31 <xxiao> stty + echo should serve you well for playing with it
Jan 11 22:40:35 <SilicaGel> Even if you wanted to do it from C, the termios interface isn't all that bad
Jan 11 22:40:36 <SilicaGel> and what he said
Jan 11 22:40:40 <SilicaGel> in fact
Jan 11 22:40:49 <xxiao> but real use you may want to try a C program or some python/etc
Jan 11 22:41:21 <SilicaGel> from a number of high level languages, an easy thing to do is open the serial device /dev/ttyS1 as if it was just any old file, then exec or System.exec() or shell() or whatever to /bin/stty or /usr/bin/stty to set things up the way you want
Jan 11 22:41:23 <aholler> real use wouldn't use a serial
Jan 11 22:41:42 <jsabeaudry> Also, I'm wondering how come there are 64 tty in /dev/ is this normal?
Jan 11 22:41:43 <SilicaGel> From C, the real API is termios.  Termios seems complicated at first but it's NOT.
Jan 11 22:42:09 <xxiao> it's not complicated, it's just very very _old_
Jan 11 22:42:21 <SilicaGel> it's a little confusing if you have never looked at it
Jan 11 22:42:40 <SilicaGel> not so much if you don't need to worry about c_cc and the crazy VTIME/VMIN stuff
Jan 11 23:12:16 <jsabeaudry> Anyonw knows how to change pin from output to input using omap_mux ?
Jan 11 23:15:35 <ds2> a pin doing what?
Jan 11 23:16:08 <ds2> one way is to move it from a output only function to an input only function if those options are available
Jan 11 23:19:28 <ds2> but I suspect that is not your goal
Jan 11 23:22:28 <jsabeaudry> ds2: I'm just trying to get pins in the right configuration for uart1 and uart2
Jan 11 23:23:15 <jsabeaudry> ds2: I tested with a scope and the tx is fine but I'm unable to read (my guess is that because the pin is in output
Jan 11 23:24:29 <ds2> not likely
Jan 11 23:24:41 <ds2> if it is assigned to the UART, the TX/RX out/in senses are fixed
Jan 11 23:24:54 <ds2> more likely is you have multiple balls muxed to the same mode and they are conflicting
Jan 11 23:25:08 <ds2> check your pin mux and make user UART1 and UART2 isn't enabled elsewhere
Jan 11 23:30:53 <jsabeaudry> ds2: How do I check my pin mux ?
Jan 11 23:32:49 <ds2> check the sources... the kernel if it is enabled there. otherwise,check u-boot
Jan 11 23:32:56 <ds2> this is the bone or the xm or classic?
Jan 11 23:33:39 <jsabeaudry> ds2: the bone, I havent built it myself, this is the cloud9 demo image
Jan 11 23:34:47 <ds2> for the bone, try debugfs
Jan 11 23:35:49 <jsabeaudry> ds2: Ah yes, that is what I used to change the mode on the UART1_tx to get it working
Jan 11 23:36:10 <ds2> tx is driven so multiple balls having that is fine
Jan 11 23:36:22 <jsabeaudry> ds2: I'll check all the pins where UART2_RX can be and make sure they arent in that mode
Jan 11 23:36:23 <ds2> rx is an input. ifyou have more then one ball, it can get a conflict
Jan 11 23:36:53 <ds2> actually, the proper thing to do is to check to see that only the balls you are using have any references to UART2 (both TX and RX)
Jan 11 23:41:14 <jsabeaudry> ds2: I checked the 5 other places where it could be and the pin is not in that mode
Jan 11 23:41:39 <ds2> hmmm okay. 
Jan 11 23:41:41 <jsabeaudry> ds2: But when checking the mode of the pin that I want, it says output, 
Jan 11 23:42:09 <ds2> Oh... there is a bit to enable the input drivers (this is different from turning the pin into an input)... see if that is enabled
Jan 11 23:42:10 <jsabeaudry> ds2: I tried echo 41 > spi0_sclk but it stays in output...
Jan 11 23:42:26 <ds2> I would check that
Jan 11 23:42:37 <jsabeaudry> IEN ?
Jan 11 23:42:41 <ds2> yes
Jan 11 23:48:39 <jsabeaudry> ds2: Ah wow thanks for your help! It was a combination of two things, even if you set IEN the debugfs driver still says that the pin is in output mode
Jan 11 23:49:14 <jsabeaudry> ds2: and the second thing is that the debugfs always interprets what you echo to it as hex even without a 0x prefix
Jan 11 23:51:14 <ds2> the debugfs driver is only on the Bone so there might be kinks that needs to be worked out.
Jan 11 23:51:24 <ds2> jsabeaudry: so you have input and output working now?
Jan 12 00:40:48 <jsabeaudry> ds2: Yes! :D
Jan 12 00:45:39 <ds2> excellent
Jan 12 00:48:23 <jsabeaudry> Ill be back tomorrow
Jan 12 00:48:26 <jsabeaudry> Good night
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Jan 12 05:44:22 <ltn> Hi all, I have installed latest u-boot on beagle C4, but the message from serial port said I have 1GiB memory?
Jan 12 05:46:32 <aholler_> what eact is the msg?
Jan 12 05:46:36 <aholler_> exactly
Jan 12 05:51:16 <ltn> aholler: Thank you for replying! U-Boot 2011.12-dirty (Dec 30 2011 - 01:04:34)  OMAP3530-GP ES3.1, CPU-OPP2, L3-165MHz, Max CPU Clock 720 mHz OMAP3 Beagle board + LPDDR/NAND I2C:   ready DRAM:  1 GiB NAND:  256 MiB MMC:   OMAP SD/MMC: 0 *** Warning - bad CRC, using default environment 
Jan 12 05:52:23 <ltn> aholler: I think the problem is that the u-boot is a dirty version. I'm trying to reinstall the u-boot...
Jan 12 05:53:05 <aholler> dirty means uncommited changes were used while building it
Jan 12 05:53:59 <ltn> aholler: Does it mean that this version is buggy?
Jan 12 05:54:58 <aholler> my crystall ball is defect, I don't know what u-boot you are using and what these uncommited changes are. sorry.
Jan 12 05:56:04 <aholler> anyway, if the kernel reports the correct size of memory, just don't think about that msg. if not, you have to dig, why only 128mb ram got reported
Jan 12 05:57:11 <ltn> aholler: My kernel reports 1GiB memory, and then it crashed... The u-boot reports 1GiB memory, too. In fact the memory is 256MiB.
Jan 12 05:57:18 <ltn> aholler: Thank you for help!
Jan 12 08:27:38 <snowrichard> found some directions for cross-compiling and emerging rootfs and kernel for beagleboard gentoo
Jan 12 08:29:12 <snowrichard> http://gentooarm.powderluv.org/
Jan 12 08:36:49 <ds2> hmmm slow night
Jan 12 08:42:01 <av500> ds2: I found it passed too quickly
Jan 12 09:33:00 <adam_> hello all
Jan 12 09:33:22 <adam_> Is there anyone who used lcd on beaglebone
Jan 12 09:37:27 <adam_> can you see my messages?
Jan 12 09:57:00 <ant_work> koen: ping
Jan 12 10:39:33 <av500> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/allwinner_a10_gplcompliant_computer_15
Jan 12 10:39:37 <av500> beagle is sooo expensive
Jan 12 10:51:13 <hitlin37> and comparatively slower
Jan 12 11:28:38 <snowrichard> grrr  i was in the middle of cross-compiling toolchain and my old gentoo pc hard drive crashed.  now i'm installing gentoo in a virtualbox on this more modern phenom-2 x6
Jan 12 12:52:29 <snowrichard> cross compiling toolchain yet again 
Jan 12 12:58:50 <yiqien> Hi everyone, I update the linux kernel from https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/tree/v3.1-meta-ti-r1r+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d today
Jan 12 12:59:34 <yiqien> it seems the new kernel doesn't support beaglebone anymore
Jan 12 13:00:30 <snowrichard> i'm trying these directions at http://gentooarm.powderluv.org/
Jan 12 13:01:20 <snowrichard> but they mentioned beagleboard not bone
Jan 12 13:02:18 <snowrichard> i had trouble with the angstrom setup because of network errors
Jan 12 13:02:30 <snowrichard> so trying gentoo now
Jan 12 13:03:03 <yiqien> I know. it used to have options for am335x but it's gone
Jan 12 13:04:16 <snowrichard> angstrom update filled my file system up
Jan 12 13:04:26 <yiqien> do you have any problem with dhcp?
Jan 12 13:04:55 <snowrichard> no the angstrom and gentoo both worked with dhcp
Jan 12 13:05:21 <snowrichard> i've got a usb/ethernet adapter
Jan 12 13:06:23 <yiqien> in my beaglebone, dhcp fails with my compiled kernel but works with the shipped kernel
Jan 12 13:06:52 <snowrichard> well i've got a beagleboard c3
Jan 12 13:07:02 <yiqien> i see
Jan 12 13:07:11 <snowrichard> and these directions i'm trying say it will generate a kernel and rootfs for the beagleboard
Jan 12 13:08:09 <snowrichard> bu t if the shipped kernel works what do you need to change in it
Jan 12 13:10:42 <yiqien> the shipped kernel doesn't enable spi device, that is what i need
Jan 12 13:10:51 <snowrichard> i see
Jan 12 13:11:46 <snowrichard> i'm just trying to get a basic system up, won't be adding any peripherals anytime soon
Jan 12 13:12:51 <koen> snowrichard: what kind of network errors?
Jan 12 13:13:21 <snowrichard> things like rsync timeouts, or downloads just stopping
Jan 12 13:13:35 <snowrichard> or corrupted so that gunzip filled the file system
Jan 12 13:14:19 <nandbert> yiqien: Hi, I am also working towards a SPI connection with a periperal (currently stuck in other stuff), but on beagleboard-xM. Are you planning to use slave mode?
Jan 12 13:14:49 <snowrichard> got some symptoms of network problems with my normal pc but it usually recovers, download rate goes to 1kb/s then picks up again
Jan 12 13:16:28 <koen> snowrichard: so why do you expect that a different distro will magically fix your broken network?
Jan 12 13:17:20 <snowrichard> well i'm building the rootfs and kernel on the gentoo then going to boot from it
Jan 12 13:17:59 <snowrichard> as far as fixing the network i'm kind of stuck with the lousy hughes net
Jan 12 13:18:37 <snowrichard> i doubt there tech support will be of any help
Jan 12 13:19:31 <snowrichard> there is no cable or dsl available at this locatoin
Jan 12 13:20:10 <snowrichard> my parents have a different isp, i could carry the board over there and install the stuff if i have too
Jan 12 13:20:29 <snowrichard> its a fixed wireless system
Jan 12 13:20:43 <snowrichard> i had it here but they couldn't keep it running 
Jan 12 13:29:20 <snowrichard> about the only other alternative is add tethering to my phone plan and use the 3G network
Jan 12 13:43:11 <bones_was_here> hi guys, bone just arrived yay
Jan 12 13:44:07 <bones_was_here> i believe the ssh should work, right? it's listening on port 22 but it always does, ssh root@beaglebone.local
Jan 12 13:44:07 <bones_was_here> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
Jan 12 13:46:02 <jwinnebeck> bones_was_here: which of the cards are you using?
Jan 12 13:46:41 <jwinnebeck> I know on the latest bone image, I'm pretty sure it does DHCP on bootup then listens on port 22, but the TI image I don't think it does but it does listen on telnet
Jan 12 13:46:47 <jwinnebeck> I've screwed with it a lot
Jan 12 13:46:56 <jwinnebeck> The most reliable way is to use the serial console, though
Jan 12 13:47:02 <bones_was_here> it is listening on 22 and has an ip, responds to ping
Jan 12 13:47:25 <jwinnebeck> oh but you can't connect... Do you get that before or after password entry
Jan 12 13:47:37 <jwinnebeck> the error you listed
Jan 12 13:47:38 <bones_was_here> it doesnt prompt for anything, just closes the connection
Jan 12 13:47:55 <bones_was_here> it seems to have dropbear as ssh server, which isn't running and doesn't start for me
Jan 12 13:48:03 <jwinnebeck> hmm I'm not sure I didn't get that
Jan 12 13:48:15 <jwinnebeck> If you are running systemd based image dropbear won't be seen running
Jan 12 13:48:19 <jwinnebeck> it runs dropbear like inetd
Jan 12 13:48:23 <bones_was_here> hm
Jan 12 13:48:32 <jwinnebeck> so when you connect to port 22, it accepts it then starts dropbear and passes socket to it
Jan 12 13:48:33 <bones_was_here> i havn't used systemd before
Jan 12 13:48:40 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I only learned about it last week
Jan 12 13:48:49 <jwinnebeck> it sounds pretty nice
Jan 12 13:48:49 <bones_was_here> well some part of that seems to be not working
Jan 12 13:49:08 <bones_was_here> the old way of just having sshd running all the time worked pretty well ^_^
Jan 12 13:49:10 <jwinnebeck> Are you using the bone (Angstrom) SD card or the TI (Arago) card?
Jan 12 13:49:15 <jwinnebeck> or did your bone come with 2 SD cards?
Jan 12 13:49:29 <bones_was_here> it came with two but only one seems to have an os
Jan 12 13:49:32 <jwinnebeck> Well systemd's theory for embedded is not to start services you don't need, like dropbear
Jan 12 13:49:39 <jwinnebeck> what if no one ever connects to SSH
Jan 12 13:49:45 <jwinnebeck> then you didn't need to start dropbear at all
Jan 12 13:49:51 <bones_was_here> i was planning to always use ssh
Jan 12 13:50:26 <bones_was_here> opkg doesn't seem keen for me to remove dropbear and install openssh
Jan 12 13:50:46 <jwinnebeck> Yeah I haven't experiemented with that yet I planned on trying openssh but dropbear is working for me now
Jan 12 13:50:54 <jwinnebeck> But I have reflashed my SD card multiple times
Jan 12 13:51:03 <jwinnebeck> so I don't have the original
Jan 12 13:51:37 <bones_was_here> there's a newer version of the default angstrom but its downloading at 35kb/s so it'll be a while before i can try that
Jan 12 13:51:52 <jwinnebeck> if you can get to the serial console, and you're running a new (within the last few months) image with systemd you can do a "systemctl status dropbear.socket"
Jan 12 13:52:09 <jwinnebeck> bones_was_here: if you're on the beagle site, use their s3 mirror
Jan 12 13:52:14 <jwinnebeck> the beagle site is ridculously slow
Jan 12 13:52:22 <jwinnebeck> I wa sonly getting like 2 kb/s on it the other day
Jan 12 13:52:29 <jwinnebeck> http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html
Jan 12 13:52:36 <jkridner> do you mean the angstrom-distribution site is slow?
Jan 12 13:52:43 <jwinnebeck> Yeah
Jan 12 13:52:44 <bones_was_here> it says the socket is active and listening
Jan 12 13:52:46 <jwinnebeck> whatever site that isn't the s3
Jan 12 13:52:47 <jkridner> or do you really mean beagleboard.org is slow.
Jan 12 13:52:49 <jkridner> ok.
Jan 12 13:53:04 <bones_was_here> angstrom-distribution.org is slow
Jan 12 13:53:05 <jkridner> k.  just making sure my mirror is fast for you. :)
Jan 12 13:53:08 <snowrichard> yes angstrom distribution site only give me 2kb/s too
Jan 12 13:53:21 <jwinnebeck> bones_was_here: then I'm not sure why it wouldn't be working... but I am newbie
Jan 12 13:53:29 <jwinnebeck> my dropbear.service says it is masked and inactive
Jan 12 13:53:35 <jwinnebeck> But I'm obviously connected to dropbear
Jan 12 13:53:58 <jwinnebeck> But systemd also pumps errors out to me all the time about configure.service not existing
Jan 12 13:54:42 <jwinnebeck> Well when I had problems I just cheated once and did /etc/init.d/dropbear start
Jan 12 13:54:45 <snowrichard> well i just added the tehtering to my phone plan, so if i want to install stuff on the beagleboard i can try that network instead
Jan 12 13:54:48 <jwinnebeck> the original init script is still on my image at least
Jan 12 13:54:56 <jwinnebeck> which runs dropbear in daemon mode like you are used to
Jan 12 13:55:06 <snowrichard> hughes net seems to have problems
Jan 12 13:55:20 <snowrichard> 4GB / month
Jan 12 13:55:28 <snowrichard> $10 for 1gb overage
Jan 12 13:55:51 <snowrichard> cheaper than what hughes charges me for overages and their cap is daily
Jan 12 13:56:23 <bones_was_here> jwinnebeck: dropbear doesn't actually start when i try the init script
Jan 12 13:56:38 <jwinnebeck> I wonder if it's because the socket 22 is open by systemd
Jan 12 13:56:54 <jwinnebeck> But I was surprised when the init.d script worked for me
Jan 12 13:57:05 <jwinnebeck> you could try to stop the dropbear.socket
Jan 12 13:57:06 <jkridner> systemd has some ability to listen to ports and start services on-demand.
Jan 12 13:57:12 <jwinnebeck> Yes it does
Jan 12 13:57:31 <jwinnebeck> jkridner: but bones_was_here is saying that he can connect to port 22 but fails SSH negotiation
Jan 12 13:57:35 <jwinnebeck> OHHHHH
Jan 12 13:57:42 <jwinnebeck> I had to generate dropbearkey manually
Jan 12 13:57:47 <jwinnebeck> for some reason
Jan 12 13:57:50 <jwinnebeck> it's supposed to know
Jan 12 13:57:52 <jwinnebeck> try that
Jan 12 13:57:58 <jwinnebeck> systemctl start dropbearkey.service
Jan 12 13:58:52 <jkridner> the package init function is supposed to handle that at first boot.  perhaps the first boot didn't complete?
Jan 12 13:59:18 <jwinnebeck> I don't know I was using the Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone.rootfs.tar.bz2 and I had a horrible time with SSH
Jan 12 13:59:20 <jwinnebeck> and DHCP
Jan 12 13:59:23 <jwinnebeck> I had to modify my u-boot
Jan 12 13:59:40 <jwinnebeck> But I didn't use the u-boot.img from that site, I used the one from the TI SDK
Jan 12 13:59:53 <jwinnebeck> I had to put in a uEnv.txt to set ip_method=dhcp
Jan 12 14:00:10 <jwinnebeck> But now kernel blocks for DHCP on boot which isn't what I want but it works for now
Jan 12 14:00:29 <jwinnebeck> and I had to run dropbearkey manually that's for sure
Jan 12 14:01:01 <jwinnebeck> But there's also 2 "cloud9" images after mine and that's what people seem to be using normally?
Jan 12 14:01:23 <jwinnebeck> I should try to build systemd-image from git, maybe some of these issues are fixed, I dunno
Jan 12 14:02:03 <snowrichard> was wondering what the cloud9 image was for
Jan 12 14:02:41 <jwinnebeck> it's a full out system with a bunch of stuff in it... and I didn't want stuff :)
Jan 12 14:02:52 <jwinnebeck> I want dropbear and busybox and my app
Jan 12 14:03:01 <jwinnebeck> cloud9 is a javascript IDE though
Jan 12 14:03:05 <jwinnebeck> that runs in a browser
Jan 12 14:03:13 <jwinnebeck> so I think it runs node.js so you can do web apps on the bone
Jan 12 14:03:42 <snowrichard> oh well i don't even know javascript well so that would not help me much
Jan 12 14:07:41 <snowrichard> got an alternate network now , 3G thru phone tether, so I might have less problems than with my hughes net when i switch to that
Jan 12 14:08:35 <snowrichard> cost me $20 a month more on my phone
Jan 12 14:08:48 <snowrichard> double the data i had though
Jan 12 14:11:04 <snowrichard> just have to figure out a way to get my laptop to forward the packets to ethernet and plug that into the router i guess
Jan 12 14:11:53 <snowrichard> will need dhcp server on the laptop to give the router its inof
Jan 12 14:11:56 <snowrichard> inof
Jan 12 14:11:57 <snowrichard> info
Jan 12 14:20:49 <bones_was_here> jkridner: do you know how i can run the first boot script manually?
Jan 12 14:21:30 <jkridner> not per se, no.
Jan 12 14:23:58 <snowrichard> off topic but a ship is sinking off new zealand and dumping oil
Jan 12 14:26:43 <siegen> that's really bad
Jan 12 14:27:29 <siegen> i remember always the prestige's catastrophe in my city
Jan 12 14:27:36 <siegen> really shit
Jan 12 14:27:56 <snowrichard> here in texas we had the bp spill in the gulf
Jan 12 14:28:20 <av500> its sinking and dumping oil for weeks now
Jan 12 14:28:22 <siegen> ah ja i remember as wll
Jan 12 14:29:28 <siegen> I was scraping oil from the rocks on the beach, taugh work , as raising the road asphalt
Jan 12 14:32:37 <siegen> ey guys to emulate bb the best option is qemu?
Jan 12 14:34:09 <av500> or pen and paper
Jan 12 14:34:38 <siegen> :p
Jan 12 14:55:49 <jsabeaudry> Im desperately trying to install packages listed on the angstrom distribution website but opkg always tells me package not found. What is up with that?
Jan 12 14:56:39 <koen> is it listed for the release you are running?
Jan 12 14:57:12 <jsabeaudry> koen: How do I know which release I am running?
Jan 12 14:57:41 <siegen> uname -a     maybe?
Jan 12 14:57:53 <jwinnebeck> did you run opkg update first
Jan 12 14:58:00 <jwinnebeck> and does it hit the feeds?
Jan 12 14:58:08 <siegen> important
Jan 12 14:58:21 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Yes I did, it works
Jan 12 14:58:41 <jwinnebeck> so what command did you run taht failed
Jan 12 14:59:03 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: opkg install librxtx-dev
Jan 12 14:59:09 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: opkg install emacs
Jan 12 14:59:40 <jsabeaudry> koen: What I see listed on the site does not correspond with uname -a
Jan 12 14:59:42 <jwinnebeck> hmm
Jan 12 14:59:52 <jwinnebeck> I just get an error about missing dbus-1 though with librxtx
Jan 12 15:00:01 <jwinnebeck> which is odd why does librxtx care about dbus
Jan 12 15:01:02 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: What about emacs?
Jan 12 15:01:10 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: it's emacs you don't want that anyway
Jan 12 15:01:36 <jwinnebeck> I'm trying it...
Jan 12 15:01:43 <jwinnebeck> it's downloading it now
Jan 12 15:02:26 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: really? on the beaglebone? which image are you using?
Jan 12 15:02:45 <jwinnebeck> the one I got from here: http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone.rootfs.tar.bz2
Jan 12 15:03:19 <jwinnebeck> emacs just finished installing
Jan 12 15:03:22 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: I'll switch to that image right away
Jan 12 15:03:30 <jwinnebeck> what are you using
Jan 12 15:03:37 <jwinnebeck> rxtx didn't install tho
Jan 12 15:03:51 <jwinnebeck> But I suggest you avoid RXTX if you can
Jan 12 15:03:57 <jwinnebeck> at least, I do
Jan 12 15:04:09 <jwinnebeck> Then again I can't get my serial stuff working anyway
Jan 12 15:04:11 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: What do you use? JavaComm ?
Jan 12 15:04:17 <jwinnebeck> FileInputStream
Jan 12 15:04:37 <jwinnebeck> but the stuff I"m using doesn't need to set any lines like RTS/CTS/etc
Jan 12 15:04:47 <jwinnebeck> so I just use FileInputStream( "/dev/ttyUSB0" )
Jan 12 15:05:03 <jwinnebeck> I used RXTX for a long time, it's a pipe of poops
Jan 12 15:05:08 <jwinnebeck> pipe -> pile
Jan 12 15:05:24 <jwinnebeck> if I have to cheat I run stty before opening the file
Jan 12 15:05:37 <jwinnebeck> it sounds like a big hack but trust me it's a lot easier than dealing with rxtx native
Jan 12 15:06:01 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: I wasnt expecting to use rxtx only a library that depends on it
Jan 12 15:06:10 <jwinnebeck> but if you have to change bauds a lot or do anything but send/recv bytes, you'll need RXTX
Jan 12 15:06:13 <jwinnebeck> oh ok
Jan 12 15:06:17 <jwinnebeck> that's different then
Jan 12 15:06:59 <jwinnebeck> now I have emacs on my bone and it feels violated
Jan 12 15:07:18 <av500> emacs or the bone?
Jan 12 15:07:21 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: hahahah
Jan 12 15:07:33 <jwinnebeck> the bone
Jan 12 15:07:55 <jwinnebeck> the operating system formerly known as emacs
Jan 12 15:08:13 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: btw if your serial stuff isn't working take a look at the pin mux, it was a problem for me
Jan 12 15:08:21 <jwinnebeck> I'm using USB serial
Jan 12 15:08:39 <jwinnebeck> Of course the USB being broken on the bone is not helping either
Jan 12 15:09:02 <jwinnebeck> But the serial port keeps dying on me by that I mean I can't send any bytes and the TX/RX lights on the USB serial adapter don't light up anymore
Jan 12 15:09:09 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: the USB master of the usb slave?
Jan 12 15:09:15 <jsabeaudry> s/of/or
Jan 12 15:09:30 <jwinnebeck> USB host on the bone using a USB serial client
Jan 12 15:09:44 <jwinnebeck> I'm pluggin in a USB serial device into the bone
Jan 12 15:10:07 <jwinnebeck> I'm not talking about the USB guest port on the bone that you connect to PC
Jan 12 15:10:10 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Ok, can't help you there, I'm using the UARTs for serial comm
Jan 12 15:10:28 <jwinnebeck> Yeah that's my eventual goal but the device I have is either USB or bluetooth
Jan 12 15:11:15 <ynezz> USB is broken by design, real men use the UARTs
Jan 12 15:11:29 <av500> ynezz: *real* men use GPIOs
Jan 12 15:11:52 <jwinnebeck> Yes I know but I already have a USB device I bought and that's a lot faster than making a cape
Jan 12 15:12:10 <jwinnebeck> which is the eventual goal
Jan 12 15:12:32 <ynezz> cape?
Jan 12 15:12:48 <jwinnebeck> yeah addon board for bone
Jan 12 15:13:03 <ynezz> you don't need the cape for uart, do you?
Jan 12 15:13:20 <jwinnebeck> No I would want to put on chips that talk to the bone via the uart
Jan 12 15:13:29 <jwinnebeck> rather than buying the same chips in a USB dongle
Jan 12 15:19:23 <snowrichard> on gcc-stage2 cross toolchain build now
Jan 12 15:30:34 <snowrichard> toolchain done!
Jan 12 15:30:36 <snowrichard> bbl
Jan 12 18:53:21 <ka6sox-farfarawa> hmmm
Jan 12 19:01:07 <ds2> Hmmm
Jan 12 19:15:50 <jsabeaudry> Ok I built my own image for angstrom but when it boots I only get a U-boot prompt and nothing more, I followed the "hard-way" instructions http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Jan 12 19:16:07 <jsabeaudry> Anyone has an idea what could be missing?
Jan 12 19:18:17 <thurbad> pastebin your bootlog
Jan 12 19:18:21 <jsabeaudry> Could it be that the MLO has to be copied first?
Jan 12 19:18:57 <jay6981> no. you wouldn't get to uboot if MLO didn't run
Jan 12 19:19:16 <thurbad> if you get to uboot it likely has nothing to do with MLO
Jan 12 19:19:52 <jsabeaudry> thurbad: How do I access the bootlog?
Jan 12 19:21:07 <thurbad> just save the output of the serial console while it's booting, if you're using minicom you can turn capture on ... may want to turn on linewrap as well
Jan 12 19:21:39 <jsabeaudry> http://pastebin.com/kgXR8LB6
Jan 12 19:21:59 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: did you put kernel and MLO and u-boot.img and it is the first FAT-formatted partition?
Jan 12 19:22:06 <jwinnebeck> and a second partition which is formatted ext3
Jan 12 19:22:21 <jwinnebeck> and the kernel is called uImage
Jan 12 19:22:27 <jwinnebeck> it looks like it didn't find uImage from your pastebin
Jan 12 19:22:33 <jwinnebeck> you need the kernel there
Jan 12 19:22:36 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: I used mkcard.txt to format the sd card
Jan 12 19:22:43 <jsabeaudry> there are 2 partitions
Jan 12 19:22:47 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 12 19:22:54 <jwinnebeck> what is the result of ls on the first partition
Jan 12 19:22:56 <jsabeaudry> one called boot and the other Angstrom
Jan 12 19:23:43 <jwinnebeck> MLO         u-boot.img  uEnv.txt    uImage
Jan 12 19:23:46 <jwinnebeck> that is what my output is
Jan 12 19:23:51 <jwinnebeck> you don't need uEnv.txt though
Jan 12 19:23:51 <jsabeaudry> ahhhh
Jan 12 19:23:54 <jwinnebeck> it will still boot without it
Jan 12 19:24:18 <thurbad> you can call them whatever you want, but the new uboot looks in the second partition in the /boot folder
Jan 12 19:24:22 <jwinnebeck> The uImage I think is this file: http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/uImage-3.1-r2g+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d-beaglebone-20111221193521.bin
Jan 12 19:24:46 <jwinnebeck> it's not uboot, the way the uboot is set up is for linux kernel root=/dev/mmcblk0p2
Jan 12 19:24:52 <jsabeaudry> I only have two files in the boot partition
Jan 12 19:24:55 <jwinnebeck> uboot only looks for first partition, afaik
Jan 12 19:25:06 <jwinnebeck> Well at least whatever u-boot I am using
Jan 12 19:25:35 <jwinnebeck> If a new u-boot looks in /boot/uImage, maybe that is why I am seeing some script out there putting the kernel into the boot and some say put it on the FAT
Jan 12 19:25:38 <jwinnebeck> I put mine on the FAT
Jan 12 19:25:41 <thurbad> no, the newer uboot does not load the kernel from the first partition anymore, unless you give uboot commands to load it manually
Jan 12 19:25:47 <jwinnebeck> hmm ok
Jan 12 19:26:12 <jwinnebeck> but it looks for /boot/uImage on a second partition that is ext?
Jan 12 19:26:22 <thurbad> correct
Jan 12 19:26:41 <jwinnebeck> does it still check first for uImage in the FAT?
Jan 12 19:27:20 <jwinnebeck> My u-boot comes from the TI SDK because I couldn't get the one from beaglebone
Jan 12 19:27:24 <jwinnebeck> and I compiled that one
Jan 12 19:27:45 <jwinnebeck> so I guess I'm not totally sure how the beaglebone one is set up in the cloud9 image
Jan 12 19:27:47 <jsabeaudry> I only have MLO and u-boot.img in the FAT and the other one has a /boot/uImage file
Jan 12 19:28:15 <jwinnebeck> well your pastebin says "unable to read uImage from mmc 0:1"
Jan 12 19:28:22 <jwinnebeck> so that says it is looking on the FAT for uImage at least
Jan 12 19:29:20 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Indeed, I guess I'll try puttin uEnv.txt first since it is the first error
Jan 12 19:29:29 <jwinnebeck> uEnv is a warning
Jan 12 19:29:32 <jwinnebeck> that is not an error for sure
Jan 12 19:29:46 <jwinnebeck> uEnv just overrides or adds to the default environment
Jan 12 19:29:56 <jwinnebeck> I was booting without it for a long time
Jan 12 19:29:56 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: could it be that it is in uEnv that it says to look in the second partition
Jan 12 19:30:08 <jwinnebeck> Well uEnv can set any setting in u-boot
Jan 12 19:30:16 <thurbad> try putting uImage in both places if in doubt :P
Jan 12 19:30:21 <jwinnebeck> so u-boot has something that looks like an ini file in it with all of the settings
Jan 12 19:30:28 <jwinnebeck> uEnv can override/add to those
Jan 12 19:30:47 <jwinnebeck> when you boot to the uboot prompt you can get the list of vars I forget how
Jan 12 19:31:25 <thurbad> printenv
Jan 12 19:31:31 <jwinnebeck> that sounds right
Jan 12 19:34:45 <jsabeaudry> I copied /media/Angstrom/boot/uImage to /media/boot/ and it boots now
Jan 12 19:35:54 <jsabeaudry> I guess that most people who try to follow these instructions will end up with the same problem as I did
Jan 12 19:42:43 <thurbad> depends on their uboot version somewhat
Jan 12 19:44:21 <jsabeaudry> thurbad: Who are "they" ?
Jan 12 19:44:42 <thurbad> people following the instructions
Jan 12 19:45:26 <jsabeaudry> thurbad: Yes, although I don't think I've been give a choice of the uboot version 
Jan 12 19:45:48 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: So I'm now running from the systemd image and still can't opkg install emacs...
Jan 12 19:46:27 <jwinnebeck> can you opkg update?
Jan 12 19:47:23 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Yes, it downloads a bunch of Packages.gz files
Jan 12 19:47:40 <jwinnebeck> and what happens when you try to opkg install?
Jan 12 19:47:53 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: unknown package 'emacs'
Jan 12 19:48:03 <jwinnebeck> do you see emacs in `opkg list`?
Jan 12 19:48:09 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: in which feed is it supposed to be? base?
Jan 12 19:48:41 <jwinnebeck> Well the systemd image set it up http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/core/ipk/eglibc/armv7a/
Jan 12 19:48:44 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: It is not in opkg list
Jan 12 19:48:47 <jwinnebeck> I don't remember if emacs was in base or not
Jan 12 19:49:01 <jwinnebeck> I see emacs in there
Jan 12 19:49:10 <jwinnebeck> afaik, I did not modify anything in /etc/opkg
Jan 12 19:49:22 <jwinnebeck> in /etc/opkgs should be 9 files
Jan 12 19:49:40 <jwinnebeck> oh wait I did add something
Jan 12 19:49:45 <jsabeaudry> can you `cat /var/lib/opkg/lists/base | grep emacs`
Jan 12 19:49:54 <jwinnebeck> sorry I have more repos
Jan 12 19:50:04 <jwinnebeck> from unstable feed instead of core
Jan 12 19:50:13 <jwinnebeck> src/gz armv7a http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/unstable/ipk/glibc/armv7a/base
Jan 12 19:50:13 <jwinnebeck> src/gz all http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/unstable/ipk/glibc/all
Jan 12 19:50:23 <jwinnebeck> put those 2 lines into a .conf file in /etc/opkg
Jan 12 19:50:29 <jwinnebeck> then do opkg update again
Jan 12 19:50:52 <jwinnebeck> I forgot, I had that file from when I was using TI's image that didn't have opkg set up right
Jan 12 19:53:24 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: YAY! Thank you so much!
Jan 12 19:53:37 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: emacs is downloading now
Jan 12 19:53:42 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 12 19:53:50 <jwinnebeck> My sympathies for your bone
Jan 12 19:53:53 <jwinnebeck> :)
Jan 12 19:54:02 <jwinnebeck> I shouldn't say that I'm running cacao on the thing
Jan 12 19:54:34 <jsabeaudry> Is it stable and faster than jamvm ?
Jan 12 19:54:34 <jwinnebeck> oh btw I don't know if you heard I was in #jalimo when I was talking about it, I didn't try cacao from woglinde's most recent build
Jan 12 19:54:37 <jwinnebeck> it's a new cacao
Jan 12 19:54:44 <jwinnebeck> it works 2-3x faster than jam
Jan 12 19:54:46 <jwinnebeck> very close to oracle
Jan 12 19:54:50 <jwinnebeck> and it actually works
Jan 12 19:54:54 <jwinnebeck> the old cacao did not work for me
Jan 12 19:55:09 <jwinnebeck> so I am very happy I left it running for 18 hours
Jan 12 19:55:13 <jwinnebeck> no problems
Jan 12 19:55:21 <jsabeaudry> Interesting, I'll give it a run, where did you get it from ?
Jan 12 19:55:32 <jwinnebeck> I built from git same as you
Jan 12 19:55:37 <jwinnebeck> from bitbake openjdk-6
Jan 12 19:55:51 <jwinnebeck> That made ipk which I installed
Jan 12 19:56:09 <jsabeaudry> ah great I'll build it and install it then
Jan 12 19:56:16 <jwinnebeck> I thought you already did that?
Jan 12 19:56:31 <jwinnebeck> weren't you the same one I was talking to about the readline-native and installing mesa and SDL from aptitude
Jan 12 19:57:10 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Yes but that task had to be put on hold for more urgent stuff, I'm coming back to building this afternoon
Jan 12 19:57:28 <jwinnebeck> oh ok
Jan 12 19:57:41 <jwinnebeck> I thought you told me that it built once you did that aptititde install
Jan 12 19:58:23 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Yes it had built but never did anything with the image nor make my own receipe for an image with all the packages I want :)
Jan 12 19:58:39 <jwinnebeck> oh well after you build it, just pop the ipk on the bone and install them
Jan 12 19:58:42 <jwinnebeck> you don't need to make an iamge
Jan 12 19:58:46 <jwinnebeck> or anything fancy
Jan 12 19:59:01 <jwinnebeck> I just did a fine -name 'openjdk*.ipk' and copied them to bone and installed
Jan 12 19:59:13 <jwinnebeck> you don't need the -doc and -dbg and such so trim them out
Jan 12 19:59:38 <jwinnebeck> the bitbake openjdk-6 doesn't make any image or anything just a bunch of ipks
Jan 12 20:51:01 <jsabeaudry> koen: I would like to make a custom image of angstrom with exactly the packages I need, do you recommend using setup-scripts or setuping bitbake and oe myself ?
Jan 12 20:51:56 <jwinnebeck> hmm I have the same question too, or actually a correlary, which is how do I build a minimal booting angstrom
Jan 12 20:52:06 <jkridner> jsabeaudry: use setup-scripts and copy the cloud9-image.bb to your own recipe and customize it.
Jan 12 20:52:08 <jwinnebeck> I would make an image by starting with that and adding predefined ipk
Jan 12 20:52:33 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: the systemd-image is not minimal enough for you?
Jan 12 20:52:34 <jkridner> if you want a minimal booting angstrom, just build a smaller image than the cloud9 image.  I believe there is a minimal image.
Jan 12 20:52:42 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: no, it's not
Jan 12 20:52:50 <jwinnebeck> heh
Jan 12 20:52:56 <jwinnebeck> maybe I could make it though
Jan 12 20:53:18 <jsabeaudry> jkridner: Yes but then where do I put by bb files? It is causing problem from a source control point of view
Jan 12 20:53:22 <jwinnebeck> but with jkridner's suggestion I suspect there must be a systemd-image.bb
Jan 12 20:53:30 <jwinnebeck> I woner if it tells me how one makes an iamge
Jan 12 20:53:44 <jwinnebeck> Specifically I'm thinking about the items that are not in a package
Jan 12 20:53:45 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Yes there is I built it today I loaded it on the bb
Jan 12 20:54:09 <jwinnebeck> does it build the same thing that you get at Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone.rootfs.tar.bz2 ?
Jan 12 20:54:19 <jwinnebeck> Except I get the latest stuff frmo git?
Jan 12 20:54:27 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Well yes but a more recent version of it :)
Jan 12 20:54:37 <jwinnebeck> OK I wonder if it fixes the DHCP and dropbear issues
Jan 12 20:54:52 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: which DHCP issues?
Jan 12 20:55:06 <jwinnebeck> I am interested to automating an image creation/customization process so I can build arbitrary bone images
Jan 12 20:55:12 <jwinnebeck> I mean an arbitrary number of bone images
Jan 12 20:55:23 <jwinnebeck> Well DHCP doesn't come up on boot
Jan 12 20:55:30 <jwinnebeck> I had to add ip_method=dhcp to uEnv.txt
Jan 12 20:55:42 <jwinnebeck> but now kernel does DHCP on boot so now kernel boot is 60 seconds
Jan 12 20:55:52 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Ah yes, that one has been fixed, I think it was fixed since Dec 26
Jan 12 20:55:56 <jwinnebeck> ok
Jan 12 20:56:05 <jwinnebeck> I saw the busybox-udhcp script
Jan 12 20:56:13 <jwinnebeck> it greps /proc/cmdline for ip=dhcp
Jan 12 20:56:19 <jwinnebeck> if it's not there, it doesn't run
Jan 12 20:56:30 <jkridner> jsabeaudry: why not put it next to the other .bb files?  if you want your own repo, you can also add a layer, but I doubt that is necessary.
Jan 12 20:56:30 <jwinnebeck> what I want to happen is udhcpc runs on boot but kernel doesn't wait for network to start
Jan 12 20:57:00 <jkridner> jwinnebeck: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-angstrom/tree/recipes-images/angstrom/systemd-image.bb
Jan 12 20:57:34 <jwinnebeck> hmm there must be more to it
Jan 12 20:57:46 <jwinnebeck> maybe that's angstrom-task-boot ?
Jan 12 20:57:47 <jsabeaudry> jkridner: And oe would just get rebased everytime oebb.sh pulls it?
Jan 12 20:58:32 <jkridner> as long as you commit your patch without any conflicts, fast-forwards should re-apply it on every pull.
Jan 12 20:59:40 <jkridner> jwinnebeck: what is the extra junk you are looking to remove?
Jan 12 20:59:54 <jwinnebeck> I don't know now I've installed so much experiments into my image
Jan 12 20:59:56 <jkridner> angstrom-task-boot looks pretty light to me: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-angstrom/tree/recipes-angstrom/tasks/angstrom-task-boot.bb
Jan 12 21:00:17 <jwinnebeck> yeah, so systemd-image is task-boot and task-basic
Jan 12 21:00:26 <jkridner> http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone.rootfs.tar.bz2 is pretty small.  only 12MB.
Jan 12 21:00:32 <jwinnebeck> I'm really new to bitbake
Jan 12 21:00:40 <jwinnebeck> That's the one I am using now
Jan 12 21:01:19 <jkridner> it is going to be pretty close to a minimal system.
Jan 12 21:01:23 <jwinnebeck> well now that I am looking at this again, maybe I didn' tunderstand everything that is there
Jan 12 21:01:34 <jwinnebeck> I guess I don't see anything too crazy
Jan 12 21:01:36 <jkridner> if you are looking for sysvinit, it might require a bit of debug.
Jan 12 21:01:40 <jwinnebeck> I'm not
Jan 12 21:01:43 <jwinnebeck> I like systemd now
Jan 12 21:01:45 <jkridner> k.
Jan 12 21:01:54 <jkridner> not everyone does. :)
Jan 12 21:01:57 <jwinnebeck> avahi... I do want that I forget what it is now, something for udev maybe
Jan 12 21:02:01 <jwinnebeck> and I saw dbus and such
Jan 12 21:02:05 <jwinnebeck> but I've learned systemd uses dbus
Jan 12 21:02:12 <jkridner> avahi is mDNS.
Jan 12 21:02:21 <jwinnebeck> so I need it to do any lookups?
Jan 12 21:02:25 <jkridner> enables services on your device to be discovered on the network.
Jan 12 21:02:38 <jwinnebeck> ok so I don't need/want that but maybe it's not a deal
Jan 12 21:02:50 <jwinnebeck> I don't need/want alsa but that's not a huge thing to have it sit there either
Jan 12 21:02:59 <jwinnebeck> PAM...
Jan 12 21:03:12 <jwinnebeck> not sure why having pam
Jan 12 21:03:37 <jwinnebeck> And bluez and wpa-supplicant I will need later after cape building
Jan 12 21:03:59 <jwinnebeck> udev and systemd are a must
Jan 12 21:04:11 <jwinnebeck> Last system we moved from sysvinit to upstart, I only just leared about systemd
Jan 12 21:04:24 <jwinnebeck> so far I like the philosophy better but I spent time learning upstart now it is kind of wasted
Jan 12 21:04:40 <jwinnebeck> the upstart is because last embedded system was based on ubuntu-minimal on x86
Jan 12 21:05:23 <jwinnebeck> The only other experience we have is with a system we built was basically a kernel and busybox and just a couple utils
Jan 12 21:05:38 <jwinnebeck> udev >> hotplug tho
Jan 12 21:05:46 <jwinnebeck> and systemd >> sysvinit
Jan 12 21:06:03 <jay6981> udev right shift hotplug?
Jan 12 21:06:04 <jwinnebeck> OK I guess yes this systemd image it's actually good
Jan 12 21:06:14 <jwinnebeck> udev <much greater than> sysvinit
Jan 12 21:06:24 <jay6981> oh, i'm not familiar with that notation :)
Jan 12 21:06:30 <jwinnebeck> Yeah there are probably C coders in here :)
Jan 12 21:07:03 <jwinnebeck> or in C++, sysvinit is read from systemd (stream input operator)
Jan 12 21:07:21 <jay6981> i was trying to forget that one :)
Jan 12 21:07:24 <thurbad> or whatever you've overloadedtheoperator to do :P
Jan 12 21:07:26 <jwinnebeck> Actually I'm not concerned about image size really boot time
Jan 12 21:07:34 <jwinnebeck> Oh yes operator overloading
Jan 12 21:07:38 <jwinnebeck> possible but usually not recommended
Jan 12 21:08:04 <jwinnebeck> C/C++ have a lot of features that aren't advised to use except in special cases
Jan 12 21:08:28 <jay6981> which C features?
Jan 12 21:08:41 <jwinnebeck> longjmp
Jan 12 21:08:46 <jwinnebeck> goto typically
Jan 12 21:08:48 <thurbad> inline asm?
Jan 12 21:08:50 <jwinnebeck> although I like goto in C
Jan 12 21:08:54 <jwinnebeck> inline asm yeah
Jan 12 21:09:03 <jwinnebeck> goto is nice in C for "exception handling"
Jan 12 21:09:08 <jwinnebeck> where I would want to use a try/catch
Jan 12 21:09:35 <jay6981> inline asm is not ansi C iirc
Jan 12 21:09:42 <jwinnebeck> well that's also true
Jan 12 21:09:52 <jwinnebeck> There are fewer "bad" C features than "bad" C++ features
Jan 12 21:09:59 <jwinnebeck> mostly because there are fewer features
Jan 12 21:10:10 <jwinnebeck> In C++ you can go over the top with templates, operator overloads, and such
Jan 12 21:10:18 <jay6981> no kidding
Jan 12 21:10:24 <jwinnebeck> But c++ has the most fun features
Jan 12 21:10:27 <jwinnebeck> like placement new
Jan 12 21:10:32 <jwinnebeck> and templates
Jan 12 21:11:16 <jwinnebeck> The thing I miss the most in C++ when I do Java code is constuctor/destructor used for RAII pattern
Jan 12 21:11:40 <jay6981> my favorite C feature is Duff's device
Jan 12 21:11:47 <jwinnebeck> it's easier to make safe resource code in C++ than it is in Java with a succinct syntax
Jan 12 21:12:30 <jwinnebeck> Mutex m; function X { Lock l( m ); doSomething(); if (x) return else doSomethingElse(); return }
Jan 12 21:12:44 <jwinnebeck> the mutex is released even on early return or exception
Jan 12 21:13:04 <jwinnebeck> you can't do that in Java without overly verbose syntax and nested classes
Jan 12 21:13:58 <jwinnebeck> in C code you would need mutex_release() copy and pasted in 2 places
Jan 12 21:14:07 <jwinnebeck> every copy and paste represents a possible error
Jan 12 21:16:38 <jwinnebeck> I had forgotten about Duff's device, that looks pretty cool
Jan 12 21:16:53 <jay6981> you can really make some people angry with that stuff :)
Jan 12 21:17:10 <jwinnebeck> Yeah, will unrolling optimizer do that now anyway?
Jan 12 21:18:23 <jay6981> dunno… the application i'm familiar with is for coroutines in C
Jan 12 21:18:39 <jwinnebeck> but for the example I found on wikipedia, memcpy will do it better and also isn't there cmov and such in x86 and other arch to do that anyway
Jan 12 21:19:11 <jwinnebeck> maybe I have wrong instruction
Jan 12 21:19:38 <ds2> Hmmmm
Jan 12 21:28:16 * djlewis notes there once was a minimal / console image on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
Jan 12 21:28:52 <djlewis> Seems they it could be returned to both /demo/beagleboard and /demo/beaglebone
Jan 12 21:45:04 <jsabeaudry> jkridner: It would seem that the meta-angstrom layer does not contain packages from the unstable feeds, is there another layer for those packages?
Jan 12 21:45:20 <jsabeaudry> (or for those feeds)
Jan 12 21:46:15 <jkridner> if I understand what feed you are talking about, it is built from oe-classic.
Jan 12 21:46:50 <jkridner> you'd need to move the recipes over to oe-core and push them to the maintainer to get the output into the current feeds.
Jan 12 21:47:14 <jkridner> trying to mix the environments is risking a bit of trouble.
Jan 12 21:50:30 <jsabeaudry> jkridner: I think I probably did not express myself clearly, I'm really new to oe and bitbake, basically I want to build an image with emacs on it, but the package emacs is only available on the angstrom unstable feed, I'm wondering how I can access the oe/bb recipes for package 'emacs'
Jan 12 21:59:17 <jkridner> jsabeaudry: the oe-classic recipe is at http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded/tree/recipes/emacs/emacs_23.1.bb
Jan 12 22:00:28 <jsabeaudry> jkridner: Ah great! Thank you very much for your help!
Jan 12 22:00:45 <jkridner> it is an oe-classic recipe and would need to be moved to oe-core.
Jan 12 22:11:00 <jsabeaudry> jkridner: I'm really not sure what you mean by it needs to be moved? Shouldn't I just add that repo as another layer?
Jan 12 22:11:29 <jkridner> no.  oe-classic isn't compatible with layers.
Jan 12 22:12:32 <jkridner> http://www.mvista.com/blog/2011/11/28/montavistas-contribution-to-the-yocto-project/
Jan 12 22:12:51 <jsabeaudry> jkridner: There seems to be a conf/layer.conf file
Jan 12 22:13:02 <jkridner> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded-Core
Jan 12 22:14:03 <ds2> think the classic stuff did have a crude semblence of layers, IIRC
Jan 12 22:15:12 <jkridner> I think it was called overlays.
Jan 12 22:15:32 <tasslehoff> yup
Jan 12 22:15:34 <jkridner> anyway, they aren't the exact same and you can't just drop classic repos in as layers.
Jan 12 22:15:42 <ds2> it was functionally similar but you are probally right on the name
Jan 12 22:16:17 <ds2> just build it by hand ;)
Jan 12 22:16:19 <jkridner> you can try copying the recipes over, run the latest prettyfier/checker, debug and submit.
Jan 12 22:17:26 <jkridner> gentoo would probably build it pretty easy too.  so many ways to build it.  if you want to work in the oe world, then just start with the old recipe and migrate it.
Jan 12 22:17:41 <jsabeaudry> jkridner: Ok and once that is done I send a pull request to the oe-core maintainer is that it?
Jan 12 22:17:57 <jkridner> it should probably go into meta-oe, not oe-core.
Jan 12 23:17:48 <djlewis> so my land line and dsl are out since 18:15 UTC today
Jan 12 23:17:53 <djlewis> again
Jan 12 23:55:06 <djlewis> later . . .
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Jan 13 03:12:40 <vexorg> while building my own image, i get the following error:
Jan 13 03:12:42 <vexorg> | Collected errors:
Jan 13 03:12:42 <vexorg> |  * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gst-plugins-good-cairo:
Jan 13 03:12:42 <vexorg> |  *    libcairo-gobject (>= 1.10.2) *
Jan 13 03:12:42 <vexorg> |  * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package gst-plugins-good-cairo.
Jan 13 03:13:43 <vexorg> how do i build libcairo-gobject?  im still fairly new to this
Jan 13 03:51:53 <snowrichard> well i used the narcissus.angtrom.org to build a rootfs with C and Python and Perl and dropbear.  Programming is pretty much what I wanted anyway.  It didn't install the X server even though I selected X11, bu t that's not essential.
Jan 13 04:08:29 <snowrichard> also vim for editing
Jan 13 04:09:01 <mranostay> snowrichard: ok? :)
Jan 13 04:10:17 <snowrichard> yeah been awake way too long trying to get something that boots and has development
Jan 13 04:10:22 <snowrichard> so this works
Jan 13 04:12:19 <snowrichard> this beagleboard was discounted and didn't ship with any os 
Jan 13 04:15:55 <snowrichard> now i can sit in the living room and log into it with ssh on the laptop and write some code, even though the board is in the back room
Jan 13 04:20:23 <snowrichard> wb masterant
Jan 13 04:31:50 <snowrichard> irc.freenode.net seems to have gone down, ubuntu server works though
Jan 13 05:51:21 <snowrichard> wow just downloaded an armv7 reference, its over 2500 pages.... think I'll stick with C or Python code
Jan 13 05:54:25 <snowrichard> don't think i'll ever make a systems level programmer
Jan 13 07:19:48 <vsr> when i try to compile using code sourcery toolchain i get the error: /opt/arm-2009q1/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s i know i am missing to specify the path. can anyone help me which env variable i need to set. i tried providing in LDFLAGS and i still get the same error
Jan 13 07:21:57 <reisei> vsr: What exactly are you compile?
Jan 13 07:22:16 <vsr> i am trying to compile i2c-tools package
Jan 13 07:25:31 <reisei> vsr: I didn't compile that, but as an advice: try another compiler, later one
Jan 13 07:25:46 <reisei> vsr: 2010q1 for example
Jan 13 07:26:28 <vsr> reisei: i want to find out how to make it compile using 2009q1 so that when i face the same issue again somewhere i can fix it
Jan 13 07:27:17 <reisei> vsr: okay then. What's your make line?
Jan 13 07:29:02 <vsr> i set CC, LD and CROSS_COMPILE variable and just do a make
Jan 13 07:29:52 <aholler_> that error should not happen and is a problem of your toolchain
Jan 13 07:30:01 <ds2> *splat*
Jan 13 07:30:08 <reisei> vsr: just show it
Jan 13 07:31:03 <fiveofoh> Hey, possibly dumb question: is there a way to get analog values from the expansion header?  I figured the answer is probably no, but it would make my life easeir if it was yes :P
Jan 13 07:31:21 <fiveofoh> *easier
Jan 13 07:33:12 <vsr> reisei: http://pastebin.ca/2102773
Jan 13 07:34:04 <vsr> aholler_: why do you say that it is a problem of toolchain, i thought i am not specifying the location of libgcc correctly
Jan 13 07:34:56 <aholler_> you don't need to specify that path, it should be in your default linker-file
Jan 13 07:35:10 <reisei> vsr: as for me this line should look just like "make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/path/to/toolchain/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi- " and that's all
Jan 13 07:35:47 <vsr> reisei: i see that CROSS_COMPILE variable is not used in the makefile
Jan 13 07:36:17 <vsr> aholler_: where is this file specified in the toolchain directory
Jan 13 07:36:38 <aholler_> sorry, don't remember
Jan 13 07:36:45 <aholler_> grep is your friend
Jan 13 07:36:57 <aholler_> or one of the manpages ;)
Jan 13 07:38:06 <ds2> fiveofoh: which board?
Jan 13 07:39:22 <fiveofoh> xM rev c
Jan 13 07:39:27 <fiveofoh> Sorry, should have specified
Jan 13 07:39:44 <ds2> not directly... but my expansion board will provide something like that ;)
Jan 13 07:40:18 <fiveofoh> Heh well I'm already building an expansion board that's pretty minimal, so I might as well just add stuff to it
Jan 13 07:41:29 <fiveofoh> I want to get three, maybe four audio streams into the board, so I have to decide whether to add some kind of voltage-level-to-binary converter, or just do a mux into the Stereo In port
Jan 13 07:41:59 <fiveofoh> The former is cleaner, but more complicated, the latter being messier (an external cable - there aren't any headers for stereo in that I could find) but much easier
Jan 13 07:42:39 <ds2> or use a USB audio dongle
Jan 13 07:42:44 <ds2> quicker and cheaper
Jan 13 07:42:52 <fiveofoh> Because the former would be basically an ADC for each input
Jan 13 07:43:24 <vsr> thank you, ill try to find out where the linker file is
Jan 13 07:44:17 <fiveofoh> Cheaper than a few ADCs?
Jan 13 07:47:18 <ds2> you can get them for like $5
Jan 13 07:47:55 <fiveofoh> Hmm yeah.  This is for an EE school project though, so I should probably add some ADCs, this project is anemic enough on EE stuff as is :P
Jan 13 08:06:36 <ds2> have fun 
Jan 13 09:16:44 <jason12>  Hi,  I have experienced the following issue when trying to receive files via bluetooth on Angstrom. It shows Can not start "Personal File Sharing. " This program is not installed on "System / Preferences.  May I know how can I rectify this issue? Thanks for any help given!  
Jan 13 09:17:33 <jason1212>  Hi,  I have experienced the following issue when trying to receive files via bluetooth on Angstrom. It shows Can not start "Personal File Sharing. " This program is not installed on "System / Preferences.  May I know how can I rectify this issue? Thanks for any help given!  
Jan 13 09:18:16 <av500> find out what program is missing
Jan 13 09:18:24 <av500> then see if you can opkg install it
Jan 13 09:29:44 <jason1212> av500: Thanks for the prompt reply
Jan 13 09:30:11 <jason1212> but from the msg that the system gives, isn't the program 
Jan 13 09:30:18 <jason1212> "Personal File Sharing"?
Jan 13 09:32:08 <jason1212> however, I couldn't find the program via Google. Hence, would like to seek some advice from the experts over here. :) 
Jan 13 09:38:57 <av500> I doubt the name of the program is "Personal File Sharing"
Jan 13 09:40:12 <jason1212> oic.. thanks for the reply anyway! 
Jan 13 09:58:58 <vsr_> i2ctools write one byte command only, if i want to communicate 2 byte address, are there any tools for this
Jan 13 10:31:11 <koen> vsr_: use word mode
Jan 13 11:52:29 <vsr> koen: i want to use 16 bit addresses
Jan 13 11:56:28 * av500 wonders if bit banging I2C with 2 GPIOs has come out of fashion lately
Jan 13 12:00:43 <mru> av500: just after bit-banging dram did
Jan 13 12:03:12 <koen> av500: you should read the comments on the lwn pinctl article
Jan 13 12:03:24 <koen> av500: it's about a pinmux framework for the kernel
Jan 13 12:03:44 <koen> av500: and one guy starts confusing pinmuxing with i2c-gpio, w1-gpio, spi-gio, etc
Jan 13 12:04:52 <av500> koen: url
Jan 13 12:05:19 <av500> since I dont pay for open source news :)
Jan 13 12:06:14 <koen> http://lwn.net/Articles/468759/
Jan 13 12:06:25 <av500> ta
Jan 13 12:07:22 <av500> "As the SCSI storage subsystem has taught me: the kernel isn't necessarily the way, it often is in the way"
Jan 13 12:08:05 <av500> imagine Linus had got a violin for his birthday instead of that 386....
Jan 13 12:11:29 <av500> mru: bit banging NAND is en vogue on the ML atm
Jan 13 13:23:47 <jkridner> cwicks just sent out a reminder to anyone at CES for the meet-up today.  Anyone at CES?
Jan 13 13:25:53 <av500> not me
Jan 13 13:26:50 <av500> but I can run and get some cookies if somebody wants to meet here today
Jan 13 13:30:18 <jkridner> I can probably get a free cookie on the plane flight over the Atlantic too.
Jan 13 13:30:44 <av500> whereto?
Jan 13 13:42:14 <jkridner> av500: if you aren't at CES, I assumed you were in Germany or France this week.
Jan 13 13:43:24 <av500> ah yes
Jan 13 14:33:29 <Crofton|work> I think I am going to see the Fedora arm heretics at fudcon
Jan 13 14:33:35 <Crofton|work> It is across the street from me
Jan 13 14:33:53 <mru> troll 'em hard
Jan 13 14:34:22 <av500> Crofton|work: what dod they herete?
Jan 13 14:34:24 <av500> did
Jan 13 14:34:41 <Crofton|work> they are native build sultists
Jan 13 14:34:48 <Crofton|work> er cultists
Jan 13 14:35:03 <av500> ah, but then they need to wait in line to get trolled
Jan 13 14:35:11 <mru> Crofton|work: do you actually pronounce it like that?
Jan 13 14:35:17 <Crofton|work> android build cross right?
Jan 13 14:35:29 <Crofton|work> no s
Jan 13 14:35:33 <Crofton|work> that was a mistake
Jan 13 14:35:37 <av500> Crofton|work: nope, it took google 3month to compile the 1st android on the G1......
Jan 13 14:35:44 <Crofton|work> rofl
Jan 13 14:35:47 <av500> thats why it was so late to be released
Jan 13 14:36:01 <Crofton|work> is that true or are you trolling :)
Jan 13 14:36:12 <mru> obviously trolling
Jan 13 14:36:18 <av500> truelling
Jan 13 14:36:20 <mru> it would take 3 years to build android on a g1
Jan 13 14:36:26 <Crofton|work> rofl
Jan 13 14:39:08 <mru> gah, kernel.org is down
Jan 13 14:39:33 <av500> again?
Jan 13 14:39:43 <av500> at least my android is safe this time
Jan 13 14:42:10 <av500> mru: but I guess with the sale to sammy, kernel.kr will be better....
Jan 13 14:50:51 <jsabeaudry> How can I troubleshoot "Nothing PROVIDES: openjdk-6" ? I'm using the angstrom setup-scripts
Jan 13 14:52:07 <av500> usually I glare at koen
Jan 13 14:56:14 <koen> jsabeaudry: is you setupscript checkout up to date?
Jan 13 14:56:49 <jsabeaudry> koen: Yes but probably not on the good repository/mirror
Jan 13 14:57:04 <jsabeaudry> koen: Which one is the main one?
Jan 13 14:57:23 <jsabeaudry> koen: Because the gitorious one seems very out of date
Jan 13 14:58:20 * koen sighs
Jan 13 14:58:24 <koen> go to the angstrom website
Jan 13 14:58:30 <koen> click 'developers'
Jan 13 14:58:36 <koen> follow the instructions
Jan 13 14:59:00 <koen> that first step seems to be way too difficult for most people
Jan 13 15:00:09 <jsabeaudry> koen: Ok good, that's the one I'm using
Jan 13 15:01:07 <koen> so why are you using the gitorious one?
Jan 13 15:02:46 <jsabeaudry> koen: I'm not using it, its the first hit in google so I realized there was more than one mirror, so i doubted I used the right one
Jan 13 15:05:36 <jsabeaudry> koen: Ah ok, it seems the problem is that I am on branch oe-core of the repo, must have followed instructions somewhere that said to checkout that branch
Jan 13 15:05:55 <jsabeaudry> koen: And that branch has no meta-java layer in conf/layers.txt
Jan 13 15:07:15 <jsabeaudry> koen: Ah yes it's the instruction to build the angstrom demo image for the beaglebone... my bad, should have stayed on master
Jan 13 15:08:53 <koen> jsabeaudry: openjdk-6 is already in the feeds, so it's just a opkg install away
Jan 13 15:10:08 <jsabeaudry> koen: True but the version of the cacao vm is badly broken
Jan 13 15:10:41 <jsabeaudry> koen: Or so I've been told, I'm trying to verify that fact
Jan 13 15:11:11 <jsabeaudry> koen: It is true that the feed version is broken, now I want to see if the latest is good
Jan 13 15:11:25 <jsabeaudry> koen: jwinnebeck told me it was very good
Jan 13 15:18:06 <koen> jsabeaudry: it's the exact same as is in the current meta-java
Jan 13 16:03:11 <Sam_board> hello
Jan 13 16:03:16 <Sam_board> i have a problem
Jan 13 16:03:22 <Sam_board> with my beagleboard
Jan 13 16:03:34 <Sam_board> i try to conect a usb-serial port
Jan 13 16:03:55 <Sam_board> i compile the kernel with usb-serial port option
Jan 13 16:04:05 <Sam_board> but it's not work
Jan 13 16:14:42 <jwinnebeck> jsabeaudry: koen: whatever woglinde had me build worked with cacao very well
Jan 13 16:14:54 <jwinnebeck> from git meta-java
Jan 13 16:14:58 <jwinnebeck> whatever I got from opkg did not work
Jan 13 16:15:16 <jwinnebeck> But I don't recall from which feed I got the original openjdk
Jan 13 16:15:25 <jwinnebeck> but I know the one I built and the one I built works
Jan 13 16:19:37 <jwinnebeck> Sam_board: I got it to work by installing the kernel modules
Jan 13 16:20:01 <jwinnebeck> I used the kernel from beaglebone, then I opkg installed the usbserial module and ftdi_sio driver (in my case I am using ftdi)
Jan 13 16:20:23 <jwinnebeck> then when you plug in the device it will detect with udev
Jan 13 16:20:37 <jwinnebeck> I have the bone, you have original board, but if kernel is the same and packaging is the same, it should work the same
Jan 13 16:21:23 <jwinnebeck> or, I should say, there is a feed for whatever kernel you are using and that will have the modules in it that you need
Jan 13 18:04:59 <bbxm> does anyone know how to set input source for the HDMI/DVI port? For example, make it output only the content of a particular fb, say fb5
Jan 13 18:09:00 <_av500_> fb5?
Jan 13 18:09:07 <_av500_> you need that many?
Jan 13 18:09:16 <_av500_> read the DSS2 docs in kernel
Jan 13 18:09:27 <bbxm> I was just picking an arbitrary number
Jan 13 18:09:38 <_av500_> fb0 is mapped to GFX
Jan 13 18:09:49 <_av500_> you can have fb1 and fb2 on OVL0 and OVL1
Jan 13 18:09:51 <bbxm> I read the dss2 doc but I don't feel like I understand it very well
Jan 13 18:11:04 <_av500_> what do you want to do?
Jan 13 18:12:26 <Russ> w00t, irc at 30,000 feet
Jan 13 18:13:05 <bbxm> I want to send customized data out of the hdmi/dvi port without interfering with vnc which shares the fb
Jan 13 18:16:09 <_av500_> then use fb1
Jan 13 18:16:26 <_av500_> and do not show fb0 on dvi out
Jan 13 18:16:32 <_av500_> disable it in sysfs
Jan 13 18:17:11 <_av500_> with customized data you mean an image?
Jan 13 18:17:27 <bbxm> could you give me more details on sysfs?
Jan 13 18:17:57 <bbxm> by customized data, I means sequence of 0s and 1s
Jan 13 18:17:59 <_av500_> is explain in the dss2 docs
Jan 13 18:18:08 <_av500_> its explained
Jan 13 18:18:19 <_av500_>  sys/devices/system/omapdss etc..
Jan 13 18:18:35 <_av500_> bbxm: but you are aware that the dvi data is "encoded"?
Jan 13 18:19:12 <_av500_> what is receiving your data?
Jan 13 18:19:23 <bbxm> meaning the data will be changed between what I give the fb and what comes out of the port?
Jan 13 18:19:34 <bbxm> the picoprojector is receiving the data
Jan 13 18:19:54 <_av500_> so you are outputting an image
Jan 13 18:20:14 <_av500_> the pico will decode that then
Jan 13 18:20:18 <_av500_> thats fine
Jan 13 18:20:20 <bbxm> I am trying to use the external pattern output mode
Jan 13 18:20:25 <bbxm> In the external mode, the patterns are coming from an external source (in this case, the BeagleBoard) in the form of 60 fps 640x480 video over the Pico Kit v2's HDMI input port. The App Report referenced above also gives the steps needed to set up this mode. Notice that one of the steps sets the Pico Kit up to only use the upper left hand corner of the supplied video frame - or cropped VGA to HVGA (see figure 2). The pattern you want t
Jan 13 18:20:52 <bbxm> Also, there are several modes of external SL: see table 3. In each mode, the bits of the incoming video signal, which are formatted as RGB888, will be interpreted differently. In the 1 bit mode (the 1440 Hz mode) there are 24 equally timed binary frames during the period of each 60 Hz frame (24 x 60 = 1440).The RGB888 input (24 bits) will just be interpreted as a string of 24 bits for each pixel location. For each of the 24 "sub-frames
Jan 13 18:21:08 <bbxm> bit value (1/0) in the RGB pixel value. This allows 24 distinct binary pixel patterns in each 60 Hz frame, or 1440 binary frames per second.
Jan 13 18:22:07 <bbxm> That's the explanation of external pattern mode I got from TI's E2E forum
Jan 13 18:22:16 <_av500_> maybe
Jan 13 18:22:33 <_av500_> your data will make it to the pico
Jan 13 18:23:27 <bbxm> so is there any encoding or optimization process between what comes into the fb and what comes out of the port?
Jan 13 18:24:03 <_av500_> read the DSS section in the TRM
Jan 13 18:24:29 <_av500_> but a 1:1 output should be doable
Jan 13 18:26:16 <bbxm> TRM?
Jan 13 18:29:00 <spow> Hi. I'm wondering why some job offers in embedded systems usually list "C/C++" as requirements. I've never done any C++, but I don't understand why one would need that to work in this field. Gotta admit I've mostly studied aerodynamics and that I only recently moved to embedded development, but in my newbie's opinion real-time is either C or ADA. What are your thoughts on this ?
Jan 13 18:29:37 <Russ> userspace usually has a large number of c++ components
Jan 13 18:29:58 <woglinde> spow embedded gui stuff like qt
Jan 13 18:30:04 <bbxm> _av500_: I have been reading dss2 doc from http://gitorious.org/linux-omap-dss2/linux/blobs/master/Documentation/arm/OMAP/DSS
Jan 13 18:30:23 <bbxm> is that what u r refering to or am I missing something?
Jan 13 18:30:31 <_av500_> e.g. android is a lot of c++
Jan 13 18:30:38 <woglinde> _av500_ o.O
Jan 13 18:30:39 <_av500_> bbxm: google: omap3 trm
Jan 13 18:31:09 <woglinde> _av500_ I saw only the hw abstraction libs are c++
Jan 13 18:31:10 <smplman> has anyone had any luck booting up with a usb touchscreen?
Jan 13 18:31:10 <smplman> \
Jan 13 18:31:15 <woglinde> they other c++ stuff are all external libs
Jan 13 18:31:26 <woglinde> smplman sure
Jan 13 18:31:28 <spow> so do you think I'm going to have trouble finding a job in the embedded world if I don't know C++ ?
Jan 13 18:31:31 <_av500_> woglinde: and?
Jan 13 18:31:37 <woglinde> smplman on my atom for instance
Jan 13 18:31:45 <_av500_> spow: how good is your ADA? 
Jan 13 18:31:48 <woglinde> spow no
Jan 13 18:31:55 <woglinde> spow learn kernel coding
Jan 13 18:32:00 <woglinde> and you will find a job
Jan 13 18:32:03 <Russ> spow, if you know ADA, NEVER TELL ANYONE
Jan 13 18:32:07 <Russ> trust me
Jan 13 18:32:08 <spow> _av500_: just started ADA 95 in real-time courses
Jan 13 18:32:17 <smplman> woglinde: what about on a beagle?
Jan 13 18:32:22 <spow> Russ: tell me more ? :)
Jan 13 18:32:24 <_av500_> if you know ada, come here and explain to me :)
Jan 13 18:32:30 <woglinde> on linkedin I see 5 kernel dev job offers every day
Jan 13 18:32:35 <woglinde> but they are in india
Jan 13 18:32:41 <Russ> you might end up in a job where they want you to maintain some ADA code
Jan 13 18:32:57 <woglinde> russ haha lol
Jan 13 18:32:58 <spow> oh, legacy apps, not my favourites :p
Jan 13 18:33:34 <woglinde> spow just apply for some job offers
Jan 13 18:33:39 <woglinde> spow try linkedin
Jan 13 18:34:04 <spow> woglinde: i'm a little afraid of having my name on the internet tbh
Jan 13 18:34:19 <mdp> mm..I know ada83 and ada95
Jan 13 18:34:29 <mdp> even maintained ada code once upon a time
Jan 13 18:34:40 <Russ> mdp, SSHHHHH!
Jan 13 18:34:45 <mdp> I'm slightly embarassed about it :)
Jan 13 18:35:05 <woglinde> spow than just try
Jan 13 18:35:12 <woglinde> spow you have nothing to lose
Jan 13 18:35:24 <woglinde> spow try some interview training
Jan 13 18:35:34 <spow> I'd like to keep in touvh with embedded Linux, µCs like PICs and AVRs, but interviews I had want me to only make C dev
Jan 13 18:35:37 <mdp> in .us, most of the jobs with Ada exist at the whim of Congress, btw…not necessarily the most stable area to be an expert :)
Jan 13 18:36:06 <spow> and I'm not ready to specialize that quickly
Jan 13 18:36:32 <_av500_> these days I would bet on Adascript....
Jan 13 18:36:36 <mdp> spow, learn everything you can
Jan 13 18:37:40 <spow> mdp: honestly, it's what I've been doing, I changed schools 1 1/2 years ago (aerodynamics => embedded systems) and worked my ass off to catch up with the others
Jan 13 18:38:14 <_av500_> you streamlined it :)
Jan 13 18:38:16 <mdp> all the practical stuff I learned outside of class anyway, I think most will agree with that
Jan 13 18:39:22 <woglinde> spow where are you located us?
Jan 13 18:40:32 <spow> so far only companies of IT consulting (I do not know how that translates in english) have interesting internship offers but they want me to specialize very quickly, whereas I like to design my PCBs, drill them, solder, code, verify and document
Jan 13 18:40:41 <spow> i'm from france but currently in germany
Jan 13 18:41:08 <woglinde> spow there are plenty job offers for kernel coders
Jan 13 18:41:11 <woglinde> in germany
Jan 13 18:42:30 <woglinde> spow or try at linaro or canonical
Jan 13 18:43:26 <woglinde> hm okay
Jan 13 18:43:40 <woglinde> there arent this offers much anymore
Jan 13 18:45:07 <woglinde> spow -> https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=334
Jan 13 18:45:22 <ds2> Hmmmmm
Jan 13 18:45:27 <spow> ah thanks, couldn't find the jobs listing on their website :p
Jan 13 18:45:28 <woglinde> debian-packaging
Jan 13 18:45:36 <woglinde> that you can learn quickly
Jan 13 18:45:43 <woglinde> there are enough examples
Jan 13 18:46:12 <spow> ouch no homebased is a really bad idea for me
Jan 13 18:46:18 <woglinde> oh okay
Jan 13 18:46:20 <woglinde> sorry
Jan 13 18:47:17 <mdp> woglinde, now you'll get us all thinking about other jobs :)
Jan 13 18:47:28 <woglinde> mdp haha
Jan 13 18:47:33 <woglinde> noway I will apply for it
Jan 13 18:47:42 <woglinde> and I know some ubuntu guys
Jan 13 18:47:50 <woglinde> *only joking*
Jan 13 18:47:58 <mdp> hehe
Jan 13 18:48:39 <mdp> had an FSL for life friend leave for canonical 1+ years ago..she loves it there
Jan 13 18:49:01 <Russ> wonder what the canonical pay is like
Jan 13 18:49:09 <mdp> pay?
Jan 13 18:49:10 <Russ> I get spoiled working on military projects
Jan 13 18:49:19 <mdp> it's such cool stuff you can't be worried about being paid!
Jan 13 18:49:26 <spow> Russ: yeah, friends in military make 40-45k
Jan 13 18:49:29 <woglinde> russ hm I heard it is not this bad
Jan 13 18:49:47 <Russ> no, military contracts
Jan 13 18:50:03 <spow> defense systems you mean right ?
Jan 13 18:50:10 <mdp> Russ, my experience is only the consultants and contracted mil workers made good money :)
Jan 13 18:50:19 <Russ> ya
Jan 13 18:50:23 <Russ> and ya
Jan 13 18:50:31 <ds2> morning
Jan 13 18:50:33 <woglinde> hi djlewis
Jan 13 18:50:38 <mdp> which is fine, it is a lucrative business
Jan 13 18:50:42 <djlewis> gm all :)
Jan 13 18:51:24 <spow> I don't have (anymore) issues with working for defense contractors, except that my family will prob. get mad if I don't use them to "get inside easily" which I refuse to do
Jan 13 18:51:49 <mdp> Russ, mostly since the goal at big defense contractors is to load up junior engineers on deals to keep their margins..so they have an incentive to keep pay grades *low*
Jan 13 18:52:15 <Russ> sure, for employees
Jan 13 18:52:23 <mdp> right, directs only
Jan 13 18:52:24 <Russ> not for contractors
Jan 13 18:52:30 <woglinde> mdp haha look whats the finally end
Jan 13 18:52:34 <woglinde> viruses in the drones
Jan 13 18:52:51 <mdp> yeah, friends that stayed in that business as contractors or consultants do great
Jan 13 18:53:03 <Russ> course, once they get a direct, they seem to keep them no matter what
Jan 13 18:53:18 <mdp> yeah
Jan 13 18:53:41 <Russ> which can get really annoying working with some of them...
Jan 13 18:54:03 <mdp> prior to my division being sold to general dynamics, I had a few friends that walked out the door with their clearance…came in to another defense contractor as a contractor making 2.5x
Jan 13 18:54:12 <mdp> awesome business :)
Jan 13 18:56:21 <mdp> Russ, but that's a nice benefit when you can walk in the door as a contractor with a secret comsec clearance active..worth every penny to them
Jan 13 18:56:44 <Russ> which division
Jan 13 18:57:03 <djlewis> jkridner: seems irc log is frozen as of about 00:48:17] 
Jan 13 18:57:11 <mdp> motorola ged/geg/gstg/sstg..name changed *many* times
Jan 13 18:58:00 <woglinde> mdp where are you working now?
Jan 13 18:58:04 <mdp> that was back at the very beginning of motorola getting out of "non-core" businesses
Jan 13 18:58:27 <mdp> woglinde: TI…moto is several companies ago..dark ages
Jan 13 18:59:02 <woglinde> ah right you where at ti too
Jan 13 18:59:27 <mdp> TI is a very accepting refuge camp
Jan 13 19:00:01 <spow> anyone has experience in small companies ? what I don't really like in big ones is that there's a cap to hours a week. I don't really have leisure time or anyone to spend it with, so I don't mind spending my life at work, but it's harder to fin the job offers ...
Jan 13 19:00:12 <woglinde> hm audi is using tegra
Jan 13 19:01:07 <mdp> spow, if you come to .us, there's no cap in hours at any company :)
Jan 13 19:01:07 <spow> very few friends of mine made it in companies of 3-50 employees, but they seem to enjoy it
Jan 13 19:01:18 <woglinde> spow maybee you can ask florian personal when he is around
Jan 13 19:01:18 <mdp> spow, you would fit in our work culture very nicely :)
Jan 13 19:01:36 <woglinde> he may knew some offers in germany right now
Jan 13 19:01:59 <spow> woglinde: what is his exact irc name ?
Jan 13 19:02:34 <woglinde> spow -> florian
Jan 13 19:02:41 <woglinde> look at the channel list
Jan 13 19:02:48 <jkridner> djlewis: back up.
Jan 13 19:03:03 <woglinde> dont know if he will come here today, but when usally around 9 or 10
Jan 13 19:03:04 <spow> mdp: hehe, most of my friends graduating this year are thinking about it, but I'd like to stay in europe because of family ... for now
Jan 13 19:03:20 <spow> ok, will wait a little then
Jan 13 19:03:22 <mdp> family is a good priority
Jan 13 19:03:34 <jkridner> djlewis: fyi, there is a backup log at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/
Jan 13 19:04:23 <spow> just for knowledge, how much can an engineer expect to make in the US ?
Jan 13 19:04:52 <jsabeaudry> spow: 40-250k
Jan 13 19:05:01 <spow> 250 oO
Jan 13 19:05:06 <woglinde> sure
Jan 13 19:05:09 <woglinde> at ibm
Jan 13 19:05:19 <jsabeaudry> spow: In he financial sector mostly
Jan 13 19:05:23 <jsabeaudry> the*
Jan 13 19:05:30 <spow> ah ok, that's the drawback :p
Jan 13 19:05:49 <spow> nah, military is ok, finance I really have opinion issues with
Jan 13 19:06:02 <spow> high frequency trading :S
Jan 13 19:07:18 <Russ> "Responsible for automated kennel builds of the stable git tree"
Jan 13 19:07:32 <Russ> dude, that is an unacceptable work environment
Jan 13 19:07:44 <Russ> cubes are bad enough, I'm not working in a kennel
Jan 13 19:08:40 <mdp> lol
Jan 13 19:08:56 <spow> oh, this is actually something I meant to ask for a while : how much time a beginner engineer works in an open space ? I have real issues with ambiant noise
Jan 13 19:09:01 <ds2> but they are automatically built kennels!
Jan 13 19:09:17 <ds2> based on stable tree material
Jan 13 19:09:25 * mdp puts Russ on the prima donna list
Jan 13 19:10:02 <Russ> spow, beginning engineers?
Jan 13 19:10:17 <Russ> I think you mean MOST engineers, especially at large companies
Jan 13 19:10:18 <spow> engineers with no experience
Jan 13 19:10:21 <Russ> cube farms are the norm
Jan 13 19:10:43 <spow> sometimes I wish I was an electrician
Jan 13 19:10:45 <spow> ...
Jan 13 19:11:05 <Russ> why, so you can un-wire the lighting above your cube?
Jan 13 19:11:16 <spow> don't you sass me :p
Jan 13 19:11:19 <Russ> just unscrew the bulb a little
Jan 13 19:11:29 <woglinde> spow in germany openspace isnt this common
Jan 13 19:11:48 <woglinde> only some american inspired start ups does it
Jan 13 19:11:53 <mdp> spow, that leads to quality work experience like pulling new service into a building while standing hip deep in mud in <0C weather all day
Jan 13 19:12:28 <spow> I chuckled
Jan 13 19:13:16 <spow> woglinde: problem for me finding a job here (ger) is that my german is terrible
Jan 13 19:13:20 <spow> scholar at best
Jan 13 19:13:29 <mdp> spow, that's how my electrician father describes the negative side of a trade like that :)
Jan 13 19:13:47 <woglinde> spow and you are from france, so your english is proably not so good too
Jan 13 19:13:57 <woglinde> spow okay that might be a problem
Jan 13 19:14:15 <spow> hehe, I'm usually told that my english is pretty good for a frenchman
Jan 13 19:15:00 <spow> cannot stress the "for a frenchman" enough though
Jan 13 19:15:05 <mdp> hehe
Jan 13 19:15:24 <woglinde> spow than I see no problem finding a job
Jan 13 19:15:47 <mdp> but you might want to work on your Mandarin too
Jan 13 19:16:36 <spow> yeah, when they take over the world I'll prob. regret making fun of my friend who took chinese courses over english :(
Jan 13 19:17:29 <mdp> very likely
Jan 13 19:17:53 <spow> okay, imma follow your advice and create a linkedin account (against my best judgement). Anything I should do to attract recruitors ?
Jan 13 19:18:57 <spow> also, would it be suspiciours if I don't add anyone to my network ? I litterally get spammed by people joining this network
Jan 13 19:19:40 <mdp> spow, first put your location as bangalore,that will increase the number of recruiters
Jan 13 19:19:59 <spow> tbh I couldn't place this on a map :S
Jan 13 19:20:10 <mdp> it's over there
Jan 13 19:20:31 <spow> most prob in the east, south of china
Jan 13 19:20:42 <spow> but my divination stops there
Jan 13 19:20:43 <mdp> only .usians are permitted to be poor at geography…don't try to steal our thunder
Jan 13 19:21:19 <mdp> spow, most important location in .in after mumbai
Jan 13 19:21:48 <spow> oh ok, india related
Jan 13 19:22:07 <spow> shame on me, the one friend I made last year was an indian nerd
Jan 13 19:22:25 <woglinde> spow join the embedded groub
Jan 13 19:22:29 <woglinde> args group
Jan 13 19:23:07 <spow> on linkedin ? or arch.embedded ?
Jan 13 19:23:14 <woglinde> linkedin
Jan 13 19:23:22 <spow> k
Jan 13 19:23:29 <woglinde> for germany you could use www.xing.de too
Jan 13 19:23:50 <woglinde> but its mostly in german ;)
Jan 13 19:25:03 <spow> gimme a day or 2 to adjust to have my name on the internet first :p
Jan 13 19:25:22 <woglinde> commits to opensource projects?
Jan 13 19:25:35 <spow> i'm sorry ?
Jan 13 19:25:54 <woglinde> -> adjust to have my name on the internet first
Jan 13 19:26:42 <spow> I might have paranoiac issues, and I don't want people to be able to find me (no myspace, no facebook, no google stuff...)
Jan 13 19:27:03 <spow> is it actually ok to change my last name on linkedin ?
Jan 13 19:27:06 <woglinde> I dont have them too
Jan 13 19:27:14 <woglinde> spow dont ask me
Jan 13 19:34:02 <spow> whom should I discuss these whereabouts with ?
Jan 13 19:34:35 <woglinde> speak with linkedin
Jan 13 19:36:04 <spow> their general terms of agreement state you shouldn't use a fake name
Jan 13 19:36:45 <spow> in a double negative :p
Jan 13 20:12:24 <_av500_> if you end up working on open source it might be hard to keep you name off the internet
Jan 13 20:16:54 <SilicaGel> What you do is you develop it under a fake name, made by using the name of the street you grew up on concatonated with the name of your first pet.
Jan 13 20:17:45 <jwinnebeck> 97th puppy
Jan 13 20:17:51 <jwinnebeck> that would be mine
Jan 13 20:17:54 <jwinnebeck> how sad
Jan 13 20:18:04 <jwinnebeck> Yes my parents had a dog its name was puppy
Jan 13 20:18:15 <jwinnebeck> and my street only had a number not a name
Jan 13 20:18:52 <SilicaGel> I might have it backwards, it might be pet + street
Jan 13 20:18:55 <SilicaGel> in fact I think it is
Jan 13 20:19:02 <SilicaGel> that's how I ended up with J.R. Riley
Jan 13 20:19:31 <woglinde> hi jwinnebeck
Jan 13 20:19:36 <jwinnebeck> hi woglinde
Jan 13 20:20:55 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: My system just finished building openjdk-6, took around 6 hours! To top it off, opkg tells me the ipk is malformed!
Jan 13 20:21:10 <jwinnebeck> hmm I did not have that problem (obviously)
Jan 13 20:21:30 <jwinnebeck> check your transfer? also you could check it on host system
Jan 13 20:21:38 * woglinde hides
Jan 13 20:21:44 <jwinnebeck> ipks are debs, and as far as I know that means dpkg-deb would work on them
Jan 13 20:21:59 <woglinde> jwinnebeck it does
Jan 13 20:22:40 <jwinnebeck> ok so run dpkg-deb on them...
Jan 13 20:22:58 <jwinnebeck> if it tells you in what way it is malformed you can check for that on the host
Jan 13 20:24:44 <jsabeaudry> dpkg-deb can read it fine, -c and -I work without problem
Jan 13 20:25:17 <wanderer> Is anyone familiar with the DSP lurking, that can point me towards a capabilities doc for VoIP application?
Jan 13 20:25:44 <wanderer> The docs I've found list processer type, Mhz, video, etc.... but I'm looking for number of VoIP channels it could support
Jan 13 20:25:46 <woglinde> wanderer?
Jan 13 20:25:52 <jwinnebeck> Well I"m not sure what to say other than resend the file and check the md5sum or something
Jan 13 20:25:57 <wanderer> @woglinde That's me.
Jan 13 20:25:57 <jwinnebeck> make sure it didn't corrupt
Jan 13 20:26:01 <aholler_> voip channels?
Jan 13 20:26:16 <woglinde> wanderer what you want to do with the dsp and voip?
Jan 13 20:26:34 <wanderer> @Codec conversions for running Asterisk on a beagle, vs running all calls purely on the main CPU
Jan 13 20:27:15 <aholler_> why you need a codec for asterisk? do you want to decode stuff on the beagle?
Jan 13 20:27:31 <aholler_> normally asterisk just sends stuff somewhere else
Jan 13 20:27:57 <wanderer> @woglinde Can DSPlink/DSPbridge be used for codec conversions?  And, if I somehow add an fxs/fxo card, the RTP to analog conversion is best done with a DSP
Jan 13 20:28:17 <woglinde> you have usb
Jan 13 20:28:33 <jsabeaudry> jwinnebeck: Just checked md5sum and it is fine, I guess I'll try rebuilding over the weekend
Jan 13 20:28:51 <_av500_> wanderer: sure you can run codec und link and bridge
Jan 13 20:28:53 <wanderer> Or, better yet a T1, but not sure how to tie that in.  (still over my head on tying in the hardware)
Jan 13 20:28:55 <_av500_> codecs
Jan 13 20:29:06 <_av500_> undere
Jan 13 20:29:08 <_av500_> damn
Jan 13 20:29:15 <_av500_> wanderer: sure you can run codecs under link and bridge
Jan 13 20:29:17 <wanderer> :_av500_ I understood ;)
Jan 13 20:29:19 <_av500_> :)
Jan 13 20:29:51 <_av500_> wanderer: what codecs are involved?
Jan 13 20:30:11 <_av500_> and the arm is already powerfull
Jan 13 20:30:22 <wanderer> Assuming a worst case scenario, where every call is SIP to analog (or codec change), how many calls can the DSP handle?  
Jan 13 20:30:37 <woglinde> o.O
Jan 13 20:31:23 <_av500_> wanderer: depends :)
Jan 13 20:31:27 <_av500_> what codecs?
Jan 13 20:31:37 <aholler_> where do you want to store the analog stuff?
Jan 13 20:31:38 <_av500_> run them on the arm and benchmark
Jan 13 20:31:54 <aholler_> or from where should that come?
Jan 13 20:32:14 <woglinde> _av500_ is the stream switching this fast with the dsp?
Jan 13 20:32:17 <woglinde> I have my doubts
Jan 13 20:32:32 <wanderer> _av500_ All the specs/examples I've found through a day of googling and reading are for video.  I woudl assume that if a beagle can handle 720p, it can handle a lot... Let's assume G711u to GSM
Jan 13 20:32:57 <wanderer> Or, let's say I can somehow tie in a PRI via an expansion card
Jan 13 20:33:51 <wanderer> Just trying to get a very broad swag... if I can use the DSP, how many calls/codec conversions could I expect it handle?  10?  50?  100?
Jan 13 20:34:27 <aholler_> unlimited if you use /dev/null as destination ;)
Jan 13 20:34:28 <wanderer> Running Asterisk just with the basics will be my first test, but need to locate the beagle in my closet
Jan 13 20:34:30 <_av500_> woglinde: stream switching?
Jan 13 20:34:30 <wanderer> lol
Jan 13 20:35:08 <woglinde> av500 cannt you see a voip connection as stream?
Jan 13 20:35:34 <wanderer> Bandwidth for a voice call is (worst case) about 64k
Jan 13 20:35:49 <wanderer> smaller from a bps perspective with the codecs
Jan 13 20:36:24 <ds2> could be worse
Jan 13 20:36:30 <ds2> 64K assumes they been companded
Jan 13 20:37:10 <wanderer> 64k is bandwidth for an analog call, either DS0, with no codec.  I don't see it getting 'worse'
Jan 13 20:37:35 <ds2> 64K has a codec
Jan 13 20:38:11 <wanderer> G722,I think?
Jan 13 20:38:30 <ds2> uLaw/aLaw companding is still a codec
Jan 13 20:38:45 <ds2> either that or you compromise dynamic range with 8 bit linear
Jan 13 20:39:12 <ds2> isn't it 723?
Jan 13 20:39:23 * ds2 looks 
Jan 13 20:39:42 <ds2> oops...g.711 
Jan 13 20:40:11 <wanderer> I htink G722 has an uncompressed codec at full 64k
Jan 13 20:41:28 <wanderer> But to not confuse people with what I'm trying to ask... assuming a codec confersion (either digital to digital, or digital to analog interface TBD): How many calls (channels) can the TMS320C64x+ handle? 
Jan 13 20:44:11 <wanderer> I have no idea of what it's performance range is: other than knowing it can do HD TV at 720p
Jan 13 20:44:36 <wanderer> but say I can tie in a PRI somehow:  how big of a PBX could I make a beagle-sized box?
Jan 13 20:45:10 <wanderer> That's what I'm tinkering with.
Jan 13 20:46:13 <aholler_> 1, there is only one audio channel out
Jan 13 20:46:43 <aholler_> s/1/2/, its stereo
Jan 13 20:47:26 <wanderer> So DSP is intended for video applications, and not generic DSP crunching?
Jan 13 20:47:45 <aholler_> no
Jan 13 20:48:15 <woglinde> its for audio video and image
Jan 13 20:49:09 <bbxm> _av500_: earlier u mentioned changing sysfs to make the dvi-d port output only fb1, could u elaborate on that?
Jan 13 20:49:26 <wanderer> and if I have no need for video/image (well... maybe video calling later), I can't use those resources for..
Jan 13 20:49:29 <wanderer> I woudl say 'audio'
Jan 13 20:49:40 <wanderer> but it's not going to/from a speaker, or microphone
Jan 13 20:49:50 <wanderer> It's an audio stream, yes
Jan 13 20:51:05 <woglinde> not?
Jan 13 20:51:24 <wanderer> SO putting it together (sorry If I sound blond), the DSP is tailored to video/image/audio, and not a generic DSP that can be programmed to convert signal type A into signal type B , and do that about 50 times simultaneously?
Jan 13 20:52:15 <woglinde> right
Jan 13 20:52:26 <ds2> for a PRI, you would probally be limited by McBSP resources
Jan 13 20:52:50 <ds2> run them in TDM mode
Jan 13 20:53:15 <ds2> how complex of a codec are you thinking of?
Jan 13 20:54:26 <wanderer> Well, let's say G711u to that PRI, or FXS/FXO for emergency calls
Jan 13 20:54:44 <ds2> g.711u can be done by tablet look ups so you are HW limited
Jan 13 20:55:41 <ds2> table
Jan 13 20:55:43 <ds2> blah
Jan 13 20:56:00 <aholler_> hehe, tablets everywhere ;)
Jan 13 20:56:02 <ds2> no reason to use a DSP unless you really really want to
Jan 13 20:56:57 <wanderer> I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that a DSP is beneficial (if not required) for the PSTN connections
Jan 13 20:57:09 <ds2> for 711 there is no reason for a DSP
Jan 13 20:57:21 <ds2> 723, 721, GSM, etc, sure
Jan 13 20:58:11 <ds2> iirc right, there are folks running T1's off of a PPC core by itself
Jan 13 20:58:33 <ds2> and that includes running RBS and/or Q.931/Q.921
Jan 13 21:00:10 <wanderer> Hmm. Guess I'll try it with a generic compile and see what the performance is
Jan 13 21:00:42 <wanderer> With your VoIP familiarity :)  Don't suppose you have a reference for tying FXS/FXO ports, and/or PRI into a beagle?
Jan 13 21:00:50 <ds2> 711 is braindead simple
Jan 13 21:00:57 <wanderer> 711 is, yes
Jan 13 21:00:58 <wanderer> straight 64k
Jan 13 21:01:10 <wanderer> but I don't think most sip phones use that by default
Jan 13 21:01:10 <ds2> no... it is a straight forward TDM design
Jan 13 21:01:25 <ds2> it is a lot of bw
Jan 13 21:01:43 <ds2> you wind up burning like 128K on the wire...which blows if you are merely in EDGE or 1x territory
Jan 13 21:01:51 <ds2> forget GPRS
Jan 13 21:02:13 <wanderer> usecase is a mini-pbx hanging off the network router/switch
Jan 13 21:02:25 <ds2> pretty straight forward design
Jan 13 21:02:44 <ds2> IIRC, AMD used to make chips to do all that in hw
Jan 13 21:02:51 <ds2> TI probally did too
Jan 13 21:03:03 <wanderer> Just not sure what will give me the physical interface: tie in via expansion header (and my beagle knowledge is rusty.  Mine has been in the closet for a year)
Jan 13 21:03:19 <wanderer> or has some created a USB to T1 adapter already?
Jan 13 21:03:20 <ds2> that'll work a limited number of channels
Jan 13 21:03:44 <ds2> bbl, got to get food
Jan 13 21:03:55 <wanderer> Thanks for info, ds2.  I appreciate it.
Jan 13 21:09:20 <bbxm> does the beagleboard xm uses the same omap dss2 driver as the beagleboard (although it has a dm3730 processor instead of omap)?
Jan 13 21:10:07 <woglinde> omap they are all
Jan 13 21:20:49 <bbxm> what devices are fb0,1,2 mapped to?
Jan 13 21:25:54 <aholler> 42
Jan 13 21:28:59 <verygeeky> ..but what's the question?
Jan 13 21:33:45 <aholler> friday?
Jan 13 21:37:47 <verygeeky> Are there perl modules that expose the same GPIO etc. fundementals that bonescript does?
Jan 13 21:38:15 <woglinde>  /sysfs exposes GPIO's
Jan 13 21:38:18 <woglinde> not perl
Jan 13 21:38:23 <woglinde> perl may use /sysfs
Jan 13 21:40:00 <verygeeky> K.  Beaglebone arrived a day ago.  Fun stuff.
Jan 13 21:41:08 <_av500_> wanderer: sure you can make the dsp run audio codecs
Jan 13 21:41:10 <woglinde> hm sadly or not it attract more people not so firm with embedded at all
Jan 13 21:41:25 <_av500_> the 720p decode is irrelevant since the dsp has hw unit for part of that
Jan 13 21:41:42 <woglinde> hail av500
Jan 13 21:41:54 <_av500_> I suggest you start on the arm and only if you cannot meet your specs move stuff to the dsp
Jan 13 21:42:34 <woglinde> av500 I still dont know how the dsp can work with 2 or more streams at the same time
Jan 13 21:42:45 <woglinde> you need a muxer and demuxer in sw before right?
Jan 13 21:42:47 <verygeeky> woglinde I'm coming to it with enough arduino to feel spoiled by the userland toys.
Jan 13 21:43:07 <woglinde> verygeeky okay lets say embedded linux
Jan 13 21:43:23 <_av500_> woglinde: why should it not???
Jan 13 21:43:49 <_av500_> you can run as many codec instances as your heap and cpu power allows
Jan 13 21:44:51 <woglinde> av500 because I thought of the dsp as streaming enging
Jan 13 21:44:52 <woglinde> e
Jan 13 21:44:59 <woglinde> you put one in and get one out
Jan 13 21:45:10 <verygeeky> I'm certainly new to angstrom.  Not to busybox etc, tho.
Jan 13 21:45:21 <woglinde> so the muxing is done by the kernel modules already
Jan 13 21:45:49 <_av500_> woglinde: what muxing=
Jan 13 21:45:52 <_av500_> woglinde: what muxing?
Jan 13 21:46:00 <woglinde> data
Jan 13 21:46:19 <_av500_> sorry, i dont get it
Jan 13 21:46:49 <woglinde> av500 I have 2 audio streams
Jan 13 21:47:02 <_av500_> k
Jan 13 21:47:02 <woglinde> and now I want it to manipulate by the dsp at the same time
Jan 13 21:47:10 <_av500_> k
Jan 13 21:47:20 <_av500_> you open 2 codecs on the dsp
Jan 13 21:47:29 <_av500_> from e.g. 2 processes or threads
Jan 13 21:47:41 <_av500_> or you use the async api of CE
Jan 13 21:47:51 <woglinde> okay thats what I wanted to know
Jan 13 22:03:47 <spow> sooo I take it florian won't be here tonight ?
Jan 13 22:04:06 <woglinde> spow seems not
Jan 13 22:04:09 <woglinde> try it next week
Jan 13 22:04:14 <woglinde> or maybee tomorrow
Jan 13 22:05:14 <spow> nah tomorrow I gotta quit the grumpy end of crappy week mode and get some work done after I help random people I don't even know move stuff around
Jan 13 22:06:47 <spow> will try on monday
Jan 13 22:07:51 <woglinde> yes
Jan 13 22:07:59 <woglinde> I will ask him when I see him
Jan 13 22:08:10 <woglinde> if he knows about some offers
Jan 13 22:08:21 <woglinde> if not and you dont see him, I will tell you
Jan 13 22:08:29 <ds2>  
Jan 13 22:09:06 <_av500_> ds2:  
Jan 13 22:09:12 <ds2> indeed.
Jan 13 22:09:24 <_av500_> told ya
Jan 13 22:10:13 <spow> it's not so much about offers, rather how to actually find the interesting offers
Jan 13 22:10:29 <spow> since they're much less visible than that of big companies
Jan 13 22:10:36 <spow> thanks for the help though :)
Jan 13 23:46:59 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 14 02:25:49 <cwicks>   good morning beagleboard - just wanted you to know that the beagleboard + kinects demo is making alot of fun at ESP conference at CES!
Jan 14 02:28:14 <ds2> isn't CES over?
Jan 14 02:28:50 * mranostay waves
Jan 14 02:29:19 <mranostay> god i hate dealing with movers and their quotes
Jan 14 02:29:49 <ds2> don't. move it yourself
Jan 14 02:29:55 <ds2> drive an 18wheeler u-haul and... ;)
Jan 14 02:31:17 <ds2> ICS is such an example of a poorly managed project
Jan 14 02:33:09 <fumduq> hi
Jan 14 02:33:41 <fumduq> is anybody using the ftdi driver on osx lion?
Jan 14 02:34:12 <cwicks> ESPA - ieee emerging signal processing applications - new conference in conjunction w/ CES - fun!
Jan 14 02:36:51 <ds2> ah
Jan 14 02:37:53 <ds2> there are better modularized code written in basic then the stuff in ICS :(
Jan 14 02:44:50 <snowrichard> r5tffffffffffff
Jan 14 02:44:58 <snowrichard> t5r\kl
Jan 14 02:45:11 <snowrichard> sorry cat on keyboard
Jan 14 02:45:40 <ds2> need tuna?
Jan 14 02:46:38 <cwicks>   had dog on keyboard once
Jan 14 02:46:59 <cwicks> changed font sizes, took me a day to figure out how
Jan 14 02:47:12 <cwicks> goodnight - 
Jan 14 02:55:58 <mranostay> fumduq: having issues with it?
Jan 14 02:56:19 <fumduq> yep, I got it to work successfully for one day
Jan 14 02:56:26 <mranostay> honestly i've only used a Linux VM to talk to USB serial devices on a Mac
Jan 14 02:56:48 <mranostay> like any real development is in a VM or on my Linux system
Jan 14 02:57:22 <fumduq> I've got just this one machine right now, so that isn't an option
Jan 14 02:57:32 <fumduq> though I wonder if it would pass through vmware properly
Jan 14 02:57:38 <fumduq> let's see
Jan 14 02:58:29 <mranostay> works in Parallels 
Jan 14 02:59:09 <fumduq> it'll probably end up working
Jan 14 02:59:42 <fumduq> rather not do it that way though
Jan 14 02:59:42 <mranostay> 95% of the time USB works okay in a VM
Jan 14 02:59:54 <mranostay> that 5% just bugs the crap out of me
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Jan 14 03:00:27 <fumduq> I have my cross compile env set up on the linux box anyway
Jan 14 03:00:40 <fumduq> just a PITA to run in a VM
Jan 14 03:05:00 <mranostay> of course my laptop is a macbook air. it isn't a development box :)
Jan 14 03:10:37 <fumduq> man, this worked so well ONE TIME
Jan 14 03:15:03 <fumduq> not letting me connect it
Jan 14 03:15:24 <fumduq> if the ftdi ext would just work on osx, this wouldn't be an issue
Jan 14 03:18:27 <fumduq>        0        0 AppleUSBCDC: start - initDevice failed
Jan 14 03:18:27 <fumduq>        0        0 AppleUSBCDC: start - initDevice failed
Jan 14 03:36:37 <fumduq> mranostay: I hacked it up so the driver is more worky
Jan 14 03:36:50 <fumduq> FTDIUSBSerialDriver:        0  403a6d0 start - ok
Jan 14 03:37:18 <mranostay> fumduq: doesn't show up as a device node?
Jan 14 03:37:40 <fumduq> it does now
Jan 14 03:37:41 <fumduq> on osx
Jan 14 03:37:56 <fumduq> crw-rw-rw-  1 root  wheel   18,   8 Jan 13 19:36 /dev/tty.usbserial-411113FDA
Jan 14 03:51:19 <fumduq> ugh
Jan 14 03:51:48 <mranostay> fumduq: i can assume this is a Bone? :)
Jan 14 03:52:08 <fumduq> yep
Jan 14 03:52:54 <fumduq> I just want the usb->ethernet or even the usb->serial to work properly on osx
Jan 14 03:53:15 <fumduq> or if they're not gonna put any effort into it, at least open source the ftdi drivers
Jan 14 03:53:29 <fumduq> ftdi's last release was in 2/11
Jan 14 03:57:12 <mranostay> heh well it is all pretty generic 
Jan 14 03:57:36 <mranostay> although the Bone has different product id iirc than normal (maybe that is for the JTAG)
Jan 14 03:58:01 <fumduq> I had to hack the kext's plist to get it to recognize the bbone vid/pid
Jan 14 03:58:20 <fumduq> at least then it pretends tht it's creating a serial port
Jan 14 03:58:34 <fumduq> before that, it wouldn't even try to load the module
Jan 14 07:03:59 <_av500_> ds2: you know, its open source, so go rewrite ICS in basic :)
Jan 14 07:23:43 <ds2> _av500_: and it'd be better code
Jan 14 07:24:00 <ds2> that PoS has direct code references that go across completely unrelated directories
Jan 14 07:24:27 <ds2> I serious question the intelligence of code maintainers that allow that sort of crap in
Jan 14 07:25:08 <_av500_> i bet iOS and winphone are way better
Jan 14 07:26:00 <_av500_> and there is always open source web OS for you :)
Jan 14 07:47:00 <ds2> the linux kernel is better!
Jan 14 07:47:18 <ds2> crap like that is rejected
Jan 14 07:52:38 <_av500_> history is written by the winners :)
Jan 14 07:59:40 <ds2> if you say so
Jan 14 07:59:46 <ds2> doesn't change the fact that it is crap
Jan 14 08:00:02 <ds2> and it shows a lack of intelligence 
Jan 14 08:17:00 <_av500_> sadly its the only somewhat usable phone OS out there
Jan 14 08:31:32 <dm8tbr> and people start putting it into other HW too
Jan 14 08:31:46 <dm8tbr> http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/09/renault-debuts-r-link-an-in-dash-android-system-with-app-market/
Jan 14 09:16:14 <bones_was_here> is it possible to power an RTC in beaglebone with a battery? I believe the TI chip has one
Jan 14 09:18:10 <aholler_> it hasn't
Jan 14 09:20:06 <bones_was_here> ah, hopefully someone will make a cape with one
Jan 14 09:24:39 <aholler> it's called beagleboard ;)
Jan 14 09:48:15 <_av500_> aholler: using an XM as a cape for the bone?
Jan 14 09:52:17 <aholler> exactly
Jan 14 09:53:43 <aholler> bones_was_here: just get one of those sparkfun-ds1307-breakouts
Jan 14 09:55:30 <aholler> but then the price forboth will be like the price for a beagleboard classic
Jan 14 09:55:59 <_av500_> just buy a 1307 and solder the 6 wires
Jan 14 09:56:24 <aholler> you need a battery
Jan 14 09:58:23 <_av500_> cr2032
Jan 14 09:59:17 <aholler> i bought one of those sparkfun-modules to build me an usb-rtc with an attiny or similiar
Jan 14 09:59:40 <aholler> just haven't had the time to connect them together and write the sw ;)
Jan 14 10:01:30 * aholler hates hw with linux without rtc's
Jan 14 10:04:24 <_av500_> ds1307 was in my 1st embedded design >10ys ago
Jan 14 10:04:30 <_av500_> i should have some lying around
Jan 14 10:04:58 <_av500_> and a NO-OS driver...
Jan 14 10:07:53 <aholler> hmm, I should search my attiny-usb-source and put that stuff together ;)
Jan 14 10:56:31 <aholler> win on arm just killed itself, m$ wants a locked bootloader on arm-devices
Jan 14 10:56:51 <aholler> what a stupid world
Jan 14 10:57:17 <mru> just when _unlocked_ boot loaders are becoming the norm
Jan 14 10:57:48 <aholler> asus just got hit because of their locked bootloader on the transformers
Jan 14 10:58:20 <aholler> besides non-working hw ;)
Jan 14 10:59:12 <mru> I guess you didn't use "hit" in the mobster sense...
Jan 14 11:00:05 <aholler> in the sense like when you knock at someones head
Jan 14 11:48:47 <_av500_> aholler: killed? lol
Jan 14 11:48:58 <_av500_> do you think the the average joe cares for bootloaders?
Jan 14 12:02:55 <aholler> their facebook-page and some stuff mor got overflowed, so there seem too be some people which care for that
Jan 14 12:04:23 <aholler> especially when it goes toward something like a netbook (a tablet with a keyboard). When do archos offer such?
Jan 14 12:05:15 <aholler> and I didn't say killed
Jan 14 12:08:16 <aholler> the average joe just wants to use whatever he like and as long as he likes.
Jan 14 12:10:11 <aholler> and a locked tablet is dead after a year, when support from the manufacturer is gone
Jan 14 12:11:09 <aholler> not to speak about using a normal linux on such a thing with a keyboard
Jan 14 12:18:10 <aholler> people don't care much about the bootloader itself, but locking a bootloader doesn't make sense if people can boot whatever kernel they wish.
Jan 14 12:19:26 <aholler> in fact nobody wants to touch a bootloader, but currently they have, at least on almost every tablet which is not from archos
Jan 14 12:29:37 <aholler> too bad the omap5 will need another year to appear
Jan 14 12:46:01 <_av500_> why should M$ not support win8 after one year?
Jan 14 12:46:08 <_av500_> they supported xp for ten years
Jan 14 12:47:46 <aholler> that is not what m$ wants to do. they want control everything to catch the attraction of fanbois
Jan 14 12:48:08 <aholler> they seem to like big brothers ;)
Jan 14 12:48:14 <aholler> (the fanbois9
Jan 14 12:48:40 <_av500_> sorry, you dont make sense
Jan 14 12:49:04 <aholler> I didn't talk about windows
Jan 14 12:49:29 <aholler> but show me a android device you get update for more than  years
Jan 14 12:49:34 <aholler> 2 years
Jan 14 12:49:51 <_av500_> we discussed win on arm
Jan 14 12:50:01 <aholler> no,you did
Jan 14 12:50:07 <_av500_> and locked bootloaders, and I said M$ could not care less :)
Jan 14 12:50:23 <_av500_> for android, yes the fanbois will swamp the facebook pages
Jan 14 12:51:12 <aholler> m$ requires locked bootloaders for arm-devices. I've just read that again. they don't require them for x86-win, but they require them for arm-devices
Jan 14 12:51:30 <_av500_> yes
Jan 14 12:51:48 <_av500_> and?
Jan 14 12:52:14 <aholler> the hw will become unusable by something else.
Jan 14 12:52:21 <_av500_> yes
Jan 14 12:52:27 <_av500_> so dont buy it
Jan 14 12:52:42 <_av500_> its gonna be hell expensive anyway
Jan 14 12:52:45 <aholler> I already refuse to buy any arm-hw
Jan 14 12:53:18 <_av500_> your washing machine has x86?
Jan 14 12:53:48 <aholler> it just has to clean clothes.
Jan 14 12:54:41 <aholler> I don't want to use sw there I or someone else has written.
Jan 14 12:57:24 <aholler> and on arm devices (at least non-dev-stuff) you currently need the authorization from the manufacturer to run whatever you wish, just plain stupid.
Jan 14 12:59:10 <aholler> along with drivers and schematics, which are as hard to get as unlocked devices
Jan 14 13:02:36 <aholler> so my next device will be an (intel-)laptop again, where I can use linux and don't have to care about all those homemade problems of arm-devices
Jan 14 13:04:40 <aholler> and they are now able to work a whole day on batteries too. ;)
Jan 14 18:59:01 <UNTEngineer> hello...does anyone know where the Beaglebone drivers install to?
Jan 14 19:00:12 <UNTEngineer> cant get windows to recognize the beaglebone
Jan 14 19:02:08 <UNTEngineer> anyone?
Jan 14 19:04:47 <dm8tbr> well you just install them?
Jan 14 19:05:55 <UNTEngineer> thats what I did
Jan 14 19:06:08 <UNTEngineer> but my copy of windows is weird. I have to tell it where to look
Jan 14 19:06:26 <UNTEngineer> usually I tell it to look in System32
Jan 14 19:06:34 <UNTEngineer> but it seems the drivers didnt install there
Jan 14 19:08:32 <UNTEngineer> not sure where else to look
Jan 14 19:09:09 <UNTEngineer> but they show up in my program listings in control panel
Jan 14 19:14:11 <UNTEngineer> so nobody has a clue where these drivers install?
Jan 14 19:14:38 <dsoto> UNTEngineer: sorry, no windows experience
Jan 14 19:16:36 <UNTEngineer> lol
Jan 14 19:16:41 <UNTEngineer> thanks anyways
Jan 14 19:28:08 <UNTEngineer> hmm looks like Im gonna have to do this with ubuntu in a virtual machine...
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Jan 15 05:02:24 <perter-jim> hi , 
Jan 15 08:07:29 <xenland> Wassssuuuppppp!!????
Jan 15 10:48:18 <jegan> i m new this beagleboard
Jan 15 10:48:27 <jegan> can anyone help me 
Jan 15 10:49:32 <jegan> hello
Jan 15 10:56:16 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: as long as you dont state your question, probably nobody is going to say "yes, i can help you". so just ask, and wait for an eventual answer.
Jan 15 10:58:19 <jegan> thanks guys
Jan 15 10:58:40 <jegan> i am new to beagleboard and interested in to do something innovative 
Jan 15 10:59:03 <jegan> i am interested in smartphones and tablets 
Jan 15 10:59:24 <jegan> shall we design smartphones or tablets with the help of beageboard
Jan 15 11:00:35 <LetoThe2nd> oh yes! tablets and smartphones, the next big innovative thing in 2012;)
Jan 15 11:01:41 <jegan> its not innovative but if we make smartphones and tablets at a cheaper price it is 
Jan 15 11:02:02 <jegan> y dont u encourage
Jan 15 11:02:20 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: honestly, what answer is it you wish? like "sure, make your own tablet! it will be super cool ad awesome and only cost 25$!"?
Jan 15 11:02:46 <jegan> it is not possible
Jan 15 11:02:49 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: please use standard english if you are talking to me. "y" and "u" are single letters, not meaningful words.
Jan 15 11:03:06 <jegan> sorry
Jan 15 11:03:40 <jegan> do you have beagle baord
Jan 15 11:03:53 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: of course you can beat the beagleboard into something like a tablet as hobby project. but you certainly will not conquer the world with that.
Jan 15 11:04:20 <jegan> okey 
Jan 15 11:04:40 <jegan> will they provide schematics of beagebaord
Jan 15 11:04:52 <_av500_> sure
Jan 15 11:04:56 <jegan> do you aware of soc 
Jan 15 11:05:03 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: please see beagleboard.org for all provided documentation and resources.
Jan 15 11:05:08 <_av500_> why dont you read beagleboard.org?
Jan 15 11:05:22 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: and for the silicon, ask your trustworthy TI sales representative.
Jan 15 11:05:25 <jegan> with the schematic can we edit as per our requirement
Jan 15 11:05:39 <_av500_> sure
Jan 15 11:06:12 <jegan> can you help in electronics 
Jan 15 11:06:18 <jegan> i have one doubt
Jan 15 11:06:34 <_av500_> just ask, dont ask to ask
Jan 15 11:06:46 <jegan> sorry
Jan 15 11:07:10 <jegan> do you anything about mobile processorrs
Jan 15 11:07:18 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: omappedia.org provides a list of omap experts you can consult for hire. :)
Jan 15 11:07:33 <jegan> like samsung xysnos 4210 and snapdrogon
Jan 15 11:07:40 <_av500_> jegan: ask questions, not meta questions
Jan 15 11:07:48 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: yes, stop buzzwording.
Jan 15 11:08:10 <LetoThe2nd> and intel i7 is also way < 1 lbs, so its also certainly mobile.
Jan 15 11:08:57 <jegan> do u know how to use mobile processors in out design
Jan 15 11:09:13 <jegan> in our design
Jan 15 11:09:18 <_av500_> your?
Jan 15 11:09:42 <jegan> wait 
Jan 15 11:10:04 <jegan> visit the link http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors
Jan 15 11:10:13 <_av500_> and?
Jan 15 11:10:15 <LetoThe2nd> why should we.
Jan 15 11:10:23 <_av500_> ask a question
Jan 15 11:10:24 <jegan> please 
Jan 15 11:10:30 <jegan> http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors
Jan 15 11:10:41 <LetoThe2nd> and be aware that this is a channel focused on TI omap processors.
Jan 15 11:10:44 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: no.
Jan 15 11:10:47 <jegan> please visit the link
Jan 15 11:11:15 <jegan> i am not asking about that particular processors
Jan 15 11:11:39 <_av500_> so what are you asking?
Jan 15 11:11:43 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: please ask a meaningful question and i will eventually decide to do so. as long you do not, i will not open any links just for fun.
Jan 15 11:12:17 <jegan> just i want to know how to design a system like beagleboard with omap processor
Jan 15 11:12:40 <jegan> okey sorry 
Jan 15 11:12:56 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: you go read the TRM of the processor and have a good look at exaple schematics. next question?
Jan 15 11:12:58 <_av500_> how to desing it?
Jan 15 11:13:05 <_av500_> easy, get loads of experience
Jan 15 11:13:11 <jegan> hence i am new to this embedded computing i am totally confused 
Jan 15 11:13:25 <_av500_> well, then stick around and laern
Jan 15 11:13:28 <_av500_> laern
Jan 15 11:13:34 <jegan> thank u 
Jan 15 11:13:38 <jegan> trm means
Jan 15 11:14:08 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: Technical Reference Manual. Kind of the full length datasheet.
Jan 15 11:14:14 <jegan> have you developed any projects with ti or beagleboard please share with me 
Jan 15 11:14:25 <jegan> thank you very much 
Jan 15 11:15:20 <jegan> how can beagleboard help in getting knowlege in embedded computing 
Jan 15 11:16:20 <jegan> i am basically a electronics and communication engineer
Jan 15 11:16:36 <jegan> but i dont know much about embedded 
Jan 15 11:16:43 <jegan> system design
Jan 15 11:17:00 <jegan> i want to know system design with processors
Jan 15 11:17:26 <jegan> hello are you there
Jan 15 11:17:29 <LetoThe2nd> i think you might be better off with an arduino or something for a start.
Jan 15 11:18:01 <jegan> arduino ?
Jan 15 11:18:37 <jegan> its interesting 
Jan 15 11:18:52 <jegan> will can i get your mail id?
Jan 15 11:19:07 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: "arduino" as a "basically electonics and communications engineer" you should be able to find out what it is, what it does and how you can benefit from it yourself.
Jan 15 11:19:14 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: no you will not.
Jan 15 11:19:41 <jegan> ya i am doing that 
Jan 15 11:20:00 <jegan> where are you working 
Jan 15 11:20:17 <jegan> anyway thanks for your worhtful answers
Jan 15 11:21:15 <jegan> do you anything about ti's moibile processors
Jan 15 11:23:02 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: do not get me wrong please. but i personally see no use in throwing around buzzwords. if i read a question i see worth in answering, i will do so. if not, i will just remain silent from now on.
Jan 15 11:23:57 <jegan> cool down
Jan 15 11:24:17 <jegan> why dont you understand my curiasity
Jan 15 11:24:48 <jegan> you have given me lot of resources
Jan 15 11:25:10 <jegan> my roll model is steve jobs 
Jan 15 11:25:20 <jegan> i want become like him
Jan 15 11:25:44 <jegan> i am not kidding 
Jan 15 11:26:01 <jegan> okey i ask meaning ful questions 
Jan 15 11:26:45 <jegan> can we install desktop linus versions into beaglebaord
Jan 15 11:28:13 <jegan> anyway thanks for your answers bye
Jan 15 11:30:26 <LetoThe2nd> jegan: if the "desktop linux" you desire provides an ARM port and supports the beagleboard as target you can. it will of course not run standard x86 distributions. you might read up on processor architectures for a deeper understanding.
Jan 15 13:06:07 <koen> more bitbanging fun: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/QWu3wW9AfRz
Jan 15 13:29:26 <_av500_> koen: too many wires!
Jan 15 13:53:07 <koen> _av500_: it's funny how 1-wire requires at least 2 wires
Jan 15 13:54:18 <mru> we were taught in electronics class that anything with truly only one wire is a fraud
Jan 15 13:55:27 <mru> since with only one wire you can't have useful things like currents or voltage differentials
Jan 15 13:56:16 <koen> right
Jan 15 13:56:35 <koen> 2-wire requires 4 wires
Jan 15 13:56:47 <koen> (aka "too cheap to buy a proper i2c license")
Jan 15 13:56:49 <mru> we were shown some silly gadget with a single wire
Jan 15 13:56:59 <mru> a "water purifier" or some such thing
Jan 15 13:59:37 <_av500_> mru: with 1-wire you can make stuff not "get lost"
Jan 15 14:00:00 <_av500_> koen: does 4-wire need 8 wires then?
Jan 15 14:00:24 * _av500_ is sensing a pattern
Jan 15 14:00:33 <mru> using a wire as a piece of string doesn't count
Jan 15 14:00:59 <_av500_> using it as an antenna then...
Jan 15 14:01:13 <Crofton|work> antennas have two terminals
Jan 15 14:01:24 * _av500_ invents the 0.5wire protocol
Jan 15 14:01:39 <_av500_> a wire, soldered only on one end
Jan 15 14:01:42 <mru> antennas require a ground connection
Jan 15 14:02:13 <mru> one-terminal antennas
Jan 15 14:02:14 <_av500_> mru: but I wear shoes with rubber soles!
Jan 15 14:02:46 <mru> _av500_: you're so large you provide your own ground plane
Jan 15 14:03:17 <_av500_> I have my own timezone too
Jan 15 14:04:00 <mru> hmm, that makes a good insult: you're so fat you have your own timezone
Jan 15 14:05:00 <_av500_> mru: thx :)
Jan 15 14:05:39 <mru> the next step up is someone having his own atmosphere
Jan 15 15:05:56 <koen> mdp: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/14/2705794/texas-instruments-mavrk-module-development-platform-demo
Jan 15 18:27:28 <lalaland1125> I need to connect a USB webcam to a board and run OpenCV to process an image at about 3 FPS. Which board should I buy?
Jan 15 20:53:52 <bbstin> on beaglebone....can anyone help me to read gpio IN values....they always return 0
Jan 15 20:54:25 <dsoto> bbstin: what method are you using to read?
Jan 15 20:54:55 <bbstin> cat /sys/class/gpio/gpio34/value
Jan 15 20:55:18 <bbstin> I can flash a connected led to this port if set to output, but can't read 3.3V applied when set to IN
Jan 15 20:55:30 <dsoto> how are you setting to IN?
Jan 15 20:55:46 <bbstin> echo "in" > /sys/class/gpio/gpio34/direction
Jan 15 20:56:44 <dsoto> seems right to me, i don't think i can help beyond that
Jan 15 20:57:11 <bbstin> thanks, yes I've hit a bit of roadblock as it doesn't seem logical
Jan 15 20:58:19 <dsoto> do you need quotes on the "in"
Jan 15 20:59:53 <bbstin> I've tried both ways....cat /sys/class/gpio/gpio34/direction will correctly return in either way. 
Jan 15 21:00:10 <mru> dsoto: the quotes obviously make no difference there
Jan 15 21:00:24 <bbstin> Additionally, /sys/kernel/debug/gpio shows this pin as set to in as well 
Jan 15 21:01:08 <bbstin> Additionally the cloud9 library only has digialWrite defined (no way to read pins), I wonder if they haven't completed this yet for beaglebone....
Jan 15 21:03:07 <dsoto> mru: not obvious to noobs but thanks for the smackdown
Jan 15 21:04:10 <mru> quotes just stop the shell doing certain things to the contents
Jan 15 21:04:45 <mru> you need them if the string contains spaces or something the shell would treat specially
Jan 15 21:04:50 <mru> like redirections and such
Jan 16 01:53:13 <Shay|SSH> Question: Has anyone played with Ubuntu 11.10 and Xrdp on the Beagleboard?
Jan 16 01:53:30 <Shay|SSH> Pardon: BeagleXM
Jan 16 02:40:27 <rlmccormick> anyone here use 64-bit ubuntu for building angstrom?
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Jan 16 03:36:14 <perter-jim> hi All
Jan 16 03:36:26 <perter-jim> I hava a DM37 board
Jan 16 03:36:32 <perter-jim> use micron mcp
Jan 16 03:36:53 <perter-jim> Micron MT29C4G96MAZAPCJA-5
Jan 16 03:37:22 <perter-jim> now some board memory test is ok, but some board memory is bad
Jan 16 03:37:32 <perter-jim> bit stuck error
Jan 16 03:37:50 <perter-jim> somebody help me
Jan 16 04:02:27 <Ajju> Hello everyone
Jan 16 04:02:43 <Ajju> any beaglebone enthusiasts out here?
Jan 16 07:48:30 <rmoriz_> hi
Jan 16 07:49:55 <rmoriz_> i've a serial gsm modem that I want to connect to one of the UART pins on the BeagleBone extension rows. iirc RS-232 defines voltages up to 25V so I probably need additional circuits to handle this?
Jan 16 07:51:37 <ds2> yes.
Jan 16 07:53:22 <dm8tbr> aka level-shifter
Jan 16 07:53:52 <dm8tbr> look at max3232 and the likes, consult the TRM about the required reference level on the OMAP3 side
Jan 16 07:54:22 <rmoriz_> ok. thank you! :)
Jan 16 07:54:27 <av500> I doubt that serial modem outputs 25V though....
Jan 16 07:54:40 <rmoriz_> av500: but probably more than 3.3v
Jan 16 07:54:56 <av500> what is the supply voltage?
Jan 16 07:55:30 <rmoriz_> of the modem? 12v iirc
Jan 16 07:56:25 <rmoriz_> http://gsm.contrel.ru/files/136/mc35i_datasheet.pdf 
Jan 16 07:58:23 <av500> condoms? Siemens has a nice sense of humour....
Jan 16 07:59:02 <rmoriz_> had...
Jan 16 07:59:11 <rmoriz_> it's from 2003
Jan 16 07:59:40 <rmoriz_> they sold of the unit later to gemalto an it's currently called Cinterion
Jan 16 07:59:49 <rmoriz_> s/of/off/
Jan 16 08:00:02 <rmoriz_> oh well. typo monday nevermind ;)
Jan 16 08:00:56 <rmoriz_> there are plenty of different used gsm modules available on ebay, starting at 20€ for example: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Siemens-MC55-Funkmodul-GSM-GPRS-S30880-S8362-Wireless-Tri-Band-Modem-Modul-Funk-/360394297144?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item53e92c8f38#ht_3633wt_1002
Jan 16 08:01:25 <ds2> why bother ?
Jan 16 08:01:43 <av500> Seeing how most of the 2003 Siemens mobile phones are still in working condition, I guess their modules are built as sturdy
Jan 16 08:01:55 <av500> built like a tank and looked likt sh*t
Jan 16 08:02:10 <rmoriz_> yes. undestroyable as far as it looks
Jan 16 08:14:37 <dm8tbr> yeah, the siemens GSM modules are well regarded, if you can live with the limitations of hardware from a bygone era ;)
Jan 16 08:15:11 <rmoriz_> i got one for free, so... ;)
Jan 16 08:27:26 <perter-jim> hi av500
Jan 16 08:27:37 <av500> gm
Jan 16 08:27:43 <perter-jim> I hava a DDR question
Jan 16 08:27:54 <av500> I'm more a BRD type of guys :)
Jan 16 08:27:56 <av500> -s
Jan 16 08:28:11 <perter-jim> we are use micron mcp
Jan 16 08:28:27 <perter-jim> DM3730 CUS package
Jan 16 08:28:57 <perter-jim> someboard test memory is ok, some board test memory is ba
Jan 16 08:28:58 <perter-jim> d
Jan 16 08:29:04 <perter-jim> one bit error
Jan 16 08:35:08 <aholler_> change the test to puts("OK");
Jan 16 08:35:54 <av500> or dont use that one bit
Jan 16 08:50:07 <nandbert> Hi, has anyone used SPI slave mode on a BeagleBoard? Is it supported at all?
Jan 16 09:21:50 <adj> nandbert: I'd assume that SPI slave mode is supported on OMAP, but Linux supports only master mode
Jan 16 09:22:17 <adj> if you're using linux, see kernel docs, Documentation/spi/spi-summary
Jan 16 09:22:50 <nandbert> adj: yea, standard linux seems to have only master support
Jan 16 09:23:21 <nandbert> while googling i found "rumours" of patches for slave mode, but I have no idea where to get them
Jan 16 09:25:28 <av500> the OMAP hardware does support slave mode
Jan 16 10:31:53 <koen> av500: bitbang SPI slave with some GPIOs :)
Jan 16 10:36:47 <nandbert> koen: not at 10Mbit :-)
Jan 16 13:50:53 <bones_was_here> how does one use the gpio on the bone with the kernel driver? if i set gpio53 high in /sys/class/gpio (GPIO1_21) the user 0 led comes on
Jan 16 13:50:53 <bones_was_here> but if i set gpio32 (GPIO1_0) high in /sys/class/gpio, pin 25 on P8 stays at 0V
Jan 16 13:58:05 <av500> is it muxed correctly?
Jan 16 14:02:56 <bones_was_here> i dont know how to mux it so i looked at the default pinout table in the SRM
Jan 16 14:04:35 <bones_was_here> i tried Angstrom v2012.01-core-beaglebone-2012.01.11 and Debian, both using kernel 3.1.0
Jan 16 15:20:54 <rmoriz> re
Jan 16 15:21:21 <rmoriz> i plan to demonstrate the beaglebone at a local hacker community tonight and just flashed the latest demo image
Jan 16 15:21:35 <rmoriz> i'm still running into "Error: Cannot find module '/var/lib/cloud9'" when clicking "run" in cloud9
Jan 16 15:22:55 <av500> rmoriz: demo where?
Jan 16 15:23:44 <rmoriz> sort of community workshop
Jan 16 15:24:14 <rmoriz> they do ardunio and bonescript could be a great way to step into more advanced projects
Jan 16 15:25:36 <av500> rmoriz: somewhere in munich?
Jan 16 15:26:03 <rmoriz> yes
Jan 16 15:26:11 <av500> open to the public?
Jan 16 15:26:16 <rmoriz> nope
Jan 16 15:26:19 <av500> ah
Jan 16 15:26:58 <rmoriz> they had a demo-day recently and i talked to the master of electronics ;)
Jan 16 15:27:17 <rmoriz> and to the guys doing 3d-printer things
Jan 16 15:27:56 <rmoriz> but i didn't bring the board with me, didn't know that there might be some interest
Jan 16 15:28:57 <av500> rmoriz: "they" have a name?
Jan 16 15:29:20 <rmoriz> sure
Jan 16 15:31:53 <koen> rmoriz: use the dropdown triangle next to the run button to create a new config
Jan 16 15:33:27 <rmoriz> koen: thanks. almost forgot this from the last time ;)
Jan 16 15:34:56 <av500> koen: [16:31:52] <HcE> anybody ever heard about forwarding a USB device connected to a USB host, to the USB device on the same MCU? E.g. bridge certain USB devices.
Jan 16 15:35:05 <av500> koen: we got us a customer!
Jan 16 15:45:05 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: ah, you're munich-based?
Jan 16 16:40:12 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: yes
Jan 16 16:40:30 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: but ¼-⅓ of the year in Berlin
Jan 16 16:41:15 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: ah kay. i'm just a couplen of minutes north of munich, thats why i asked :) 
Jan 16 16:41:49 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: let me guess, TI @ Freising? ;)
Jan 16 16:43:30 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: nope. not ti at all. area of pfaffenhofen, that is.
Jan 16 16:45:09 <LetoThe2nd> oO( this masterant guy should definitely fix his connection )
Jan 16 16:48:01 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: ah :)
Jan 16 16:48:16 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: munich is a bit sleepy compared to berlin
Jan 16 16:48:41 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: in terms of user groups, hackerspaces etc.
Jan 16 16:49:03 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: yeah, i've already heard that.
Jan 16 16:50:03 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: is the presentation tonight some wellknown group? or rather not? given the hint it's non-public :P
Jan 16 16:51:37 <rmoriz> well.  it's a members-only meeting of the regional fablab. I'm not yet a member and they're quite "closed" to outsiders :(
Jan 16 16:52:42 <rmoriz> membership is 28€/month + 100€ signup
Jan 16 16:53:03 * mranostay eyes bleed from all the unicode
Jan 16 16:54:25 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: ah, i see. one of the kind of groups i never felt like dealing with ;)
Jan 16 16:54:55 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: fablab-muenchen.de
Jan 16 16:55:12 <rmoriz> they've makerbots + a lasercutter too
Jan 16 16:55:41 <rmoriz> very interesting stuff which is way to expensive to buy for one person (well, as a toy)
Jan 16 16:55:52 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: yeah, checked it. not quite my cup of tea, all this 3d printing, making, $insert2010ish buzzword things
Jan 16 16:56:47 <rmoriz> ah… it's not a hipster club 
Jan 16 16:56:54 <rmoriz> quite normal people imho
Jan 16 16:57:09 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: nah, thats not what i meant. its jsut the topic i do not care about. :)
Jan 16 16:57:14 <rmoriz> ok
Jan 16 16:59:45 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: you know the r0cket-project from CCC Muenchen?
Jan 16 17:00:13 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: nope
Jan 16 17:01:52 <rmoriz> http://r0ket.badge.events.ccc.de/manual  and http://r0ket.soup.io/
Jan 16 17:03:25 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: hehe, funny idea
Jan 16 17:11:58 <rmoriz> they have a nice video of their first batch (3000, sold out one one day) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9lqpZozgAk
Jan 16 17:16:24 <LetoThe2nd> heads up for a short RMA question?
Jan 16 17:17:37 <LetoThe2nd> on my bone, i think the ethernet part is broken. vendor tells me i should check with beagleboard support, but as i bought it here in germany, at a german shop i think i just don't need to care. local law says 6months guarantee.
Jan 16 17:17:51 <LetoThe2nd> masterant: sorry, but would you mind fixing your conenction?
Jan 16 17:18:13 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: watterott?
Jan 16 17:18:20 <LetoThe2nd> masterant: you are constantly joining/parting, making the channel scroll without reason.
Jan 16 17:18:23 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: yep.
Jan 16 17:18:39 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: he just wants the ok from beaglehospital
Jan 16 17:19:15 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: you print the "ok" and send it with your board to watterott
Jan 16 17:19:28 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: he can get what ever ok he wants, but i think its not my job to get it. they sold it, they earn the money. i do not.
Jan 16 17:19:31 <rmoriz> unless you want to spend 30€+ for shipping to the us :(
Jan 16 17:20:10 <rmoriz> not sure if he makes money with that. it's not amazon or conrad elektronik
Jan 16 17:20:49 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: just fill out http://beagleboard.org/support/rma including a short description of your defect
Jan 16 17:21:18 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: i know i might sound like a**holing now, but thats exactly why i picked a german distributor and not ordered at digikey or something....
Jan 16 17:21:40 <rmoriz> you just ship it within germany
Jan 16 17:21:48 <rmoriz> 6€ postage and you're done
Jan 16 17:22:13 <rmoriz> that's imho acceptable. I'm not an asshole except on systemd
Jan 16 17:22:22 <rmoriz> ;)
Jan 16 17:22:28 <LetoThe2nd> hehe
Jan 16 17:22:34 <jay6981> forget gettting any work done this morning apparently
Jan 16 17:22:56 <jay6981> i bet i have to listen to all my colleagues drone on about the 49ers all week now
Jan 16 17:23:31 <jay6981> s/49ers/<local sports team> 
Jan 16 17:23:31 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: makes me reconsider watterott anyway. if i have to do the paperwork myself then, i can also order directly.
Jan 16 17:23:56 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: https://skitch.com/rmoriz/g3r19  — today I received another mail with a refund. Guess the demand is way to high or they temp. stopped until they have the reason of the problem
Jan 16 17:25:09 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: that's my RMA https://skitch.com/rmoriz/g3ru2/re-beagleboard-rma-request-for-serial-number-4811bb000862-posteingang-roland-moriz.de
Jan 16 17:25:13 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: what was bad on yours?
Jan 16 17:25:36 <rmoriz> see 2nd link
Jan 16 17:25:43 <LetoThe2nd> yeah, just did.
Jan 16 17:26:24 <LetoThe2nd> not impressed at the moment.
Jan 16 17:26:53 <Guest44786> what's the difference between fb and v4l?
Jan 16 17:26:54 <koen> doesn't general warranty kick in?
Jan 16 17:26:58 <jay6981> lot of people complaining about beaglebone hardware defects here
Jan 16 17:27:07 <koen> in .nl I don't have to care about RMA, I just get a new unit
Jan 16 17:27:08 <rmoriz> koen: from § perspective of course
Jan 16 17:27:33 <koen> the store where I bought it can then do an RMA if they want
Jan 16 17:27:55 <rmoriz> hm. ok. so i'm maybe too polite
Jan 16 17:28:00 <LetoThe2nd> koen: thats what i suspect from a german retailer too. i don't care how they handle it, § says they have to reapair/change.
Jan 16 17:28:20 <LetoThe2nd> guess i should be more bitching.
Jan 16 17:28:42 <rmoriz> it seems watterott is a small one-person shop from an enthusiast. not some ebay asshat we all know
Jan 16 17:29:01 <LetoThe2nd> i mean, if they're not prepared to handle the RMA process or if they think they earn too little on the units, well, they they shouldn't sell them.
Jan 16 17:29:33 <koen> they earn a lot more on bones than on regular beagles
Jan 16 17:29:37 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: then you would have to pay 34€ and return it directly. Digikey, Mouse will not pay shipping, will they?
Jan 16 17:30:19 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: i wouldn't care, because my company would handle it. watteroot told the office here i have whatever, and i have the work now.
Jan 16 17:30:34 <rmoriz> i got one bone from tigal but shipping notification came in 3-4 days before the tracking id hm...
Jan 16 17:31:03 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: ok :(
Jan 16 17:31:04 <LetoThe2nd> rmoriz: its not about the money, i'm just annoyed because it is not my job to do that. its RMA, not some legal wonderland.
Jan 16 17:32:08 <rmoriz> i hope my pandaboard will not die soon. read something about reboots every couple of days…. got them from digikey….which means horrible shipping fees an no german/EU return policy, I guess.
Jan 16 17:32:14 <LetoThe2nd> well we'll see. i'm really tempted to send it to them like "do whatever you want".
Jan 16 17:32:29 <rmoriz> well. a single line of the problem is enough
Jan 16 17:32:40 <rmoriz> i didn't write much more
Jan 16 17:32:55 <rmoriz> i have no skills or tools to "debug" it myself
Jan 16 17:33:36 <rmoriz> ok. have to go. see you!
Jan 16 17:35:06 * LetoThe2nd runs off to post office, find the package, does the stupid rma thing...
Jan 16 17:56:00 <cocos> Could someone explain how the framebuffer work?
Jan 16 19:27:04 <spow> florian: ping
Jan 16 19:27:13 <bonebone> hi, i'm a noob with a beaglebone, i'm trying to recreate openembedded but bitbake cannot fetch the git referenced by linux-ti33x-psp_3.1.bb, is it a known bug?
Jan 16 19:27:18 <florian> spow: pong
Jan 16 19:27:50 <spow> you ok with pms ? it's job-related, I think ahol ler told me to talk to you
Jan 16 19:28:06 <bonebone> the error is in the fech proccess and the error is:  fatal: Refusing to fetch into current branch refs/heads/master of non-bare repository
Jan 16 19:28:17 <bonebone> :-?
Jan 16 19:29:30 <bonebone> i have been trying all kind of things but i'm stuck
Jan 16 19:30:22 <bonebone> it must be a bug in bitbake in the fetching of git repositories
Jan 16 19:31:33 <ds2> clean your temp
Jan 16 19:31:42 <ds2> or whatever they call it these days and try again
Jan 16 19:35:39 <bonebone> ds2: but it's in the fetch process, i remove the linux-ti33x-psp-3.1-r2h+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d folder, then when i run bitbake again, the folder is recreated but the error remains, and nothing is fetched
Jan 16 19:36:28 <bonebone> ds2: I can make the git command by hand and it's ok, so it's not git
Jan 16 19:42:07 <ds2> what exactly does the logs say?
Jan 16 19:43:59 <bonebone> fatal: Refusing to fetch into current branch refs/heads/master of non-bare repository
Jan 16 19:44:06 <bonebone> ds2:
Jan 16 19:55:29 <ds2> i still think it is your setup
Jan 16 19:58:36 <bonebone> ds2: everything was going well until that linux-ti33x-psp-3.1.bb
Jan 16 22:28:43 <calculus> ka6sox: is this where I will find you and help out, http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/openembedded ?
Jan 16 22:34:58 <Tartarus> calculus: Yeah, looks right
Jan 16 22:38:43 <calculus> Tartarus: ok, thanks
Jan 16 22:48:39 <calculus> ka6sox: I found you... you are giving a talk :)
Jan 16 22:54:03 * mranostay yawns
Jan 16 22:54:33 <Uhmazin> Hi
Jan 16 22:55:11 * mranostay hides
Jan 16 22:55:40 <Uhmazin> Hey
Jan 16 22:55:41 <Uhmazin> Mr
Jan 16 22:58:33 <Uhmazin> Hello
Jan 16 22:58:36 <Uhmazin> Anyone hear?
Jan 16 22:59:09 <jay6981> most hear
Jan 16 22:59:49 <calculus> WHAT?!?
Jan 16 22:59:52 <Uhmazin> Hey guys
Jan 16 22:59:55 <Uhmazin> who have a beagle?
Jan 16 23:00:21 <Uhmazin> Hello
Jan 16 23:00:22 <Uhmazin> gUYS
Jan 16 23:00:33 <Uhmazin> GUYS
Jan 16 23:00:40 <jay6981> settle down beavis
Jan 16 23:00:40 <LetoThe2nd> Uhmazin: please stop spamming and just ask a valid question.
Jan 16 23:00:53 <Uhmazin> Leto do you have a Beagle?
Jan 16 23:01:11 <LetoThe2nd> invalid and irrelevant question.
Jan 16 23:01:33 <Uhmazin> LetoThe2nd: Do you have a beagle, and if you do have it ever gave birth
Jan 16 23:01:50 <ds2> Got a mutt
Jan 16 23:01:58 <jay6981> haha
Jan 16 23:01:59 <LetoThe2nd> Uhmazin: please see the topic. and stop spamming/trolling.
Jan 16 23:02:04 <Uhmazin> ds2 you do does it need a male and a female to give birth?
Jan 16 23:02:14 <ds2> neither, it is a clone.
Jan 16 23:02:22 <calculus> Darwin had a Beagle and so did Captain Archer
Jan 16 23:02:22 <ds2> a test tube mutt
Jan 16 23:02:43 <Uhmazin> Does dog need a male to give birth?
Jan 16 23:02:48 * LetoThe2nd is out again. i would feed the troll, but my supply of fish is gone for today.
Jan 16 23:03:22 <Uhmazin> Does dog need a male to give birth?
Jan 16 23:04:08 <Uhmazin> Does dog need a male to give birth?
Jan 16 23:11:46 <Uhmazin> Does dog need a male to give birth?
Jan 16 23:11:47 <Uhmazin> Does dog need a male to give birth?
Jan 16 23:11:47 <Uhmazin> Does dog need a male to give birth?
Jan 16 23:11:48 <Uhmazin> Does dog need a male to give birth?
Jan 16 23:14:47 * snaakje caught loads a fish today
Jan 16 23:31:28 <snaakje> beagleboard makes a great fishfinder.
Jan 16 23:34:37 <Uhmazin> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120116153116AAE39NR
Jan 16 23:34:37 <Uhmazin> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120116153116AAE39NR
Jan 16 23:34:38 <Uhmazin> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120116153116AAE39NR
Jan 16 23:34:38 <Uhmazin> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120116153116AAE39NR
Jan 16 23:34:39 <Uhmazin> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120116153116AAE39NR
Jan 16 23:35:31 <ds2> WTF
Jan 16 23:35:45 <djlewis> we have a child onboard
Jan 16 23:36:14 <Uhmazin> anyone could help me?
Jan 16 23:40:42 <prpplague> Uhmazin: as you have been already today, this channel is NOT about raising beagles
Jan 16 23:41:43 <djlewis> (02:12:16 PM) The topic for #beagle is: "Welcome to #Beagle | Discussion about the OMAP3 Beagle Board - http://beagleboard.org | Beagle search tools
Jan 16 23:44:43 <av500> finally
Jan 16 23:44:49 <djlewis> what a relief
Jan 16 23:55:09 <mranostay> hahaha
Jan 16 23:55:28 <mranostay> ok that was way odd
Jan 16 23:56:33 <djlewis> yeah, he jumped on both our "Beagle Hardware" channels
Jan 17 00:00:19 * emeb hasn't been paying attention. 
Jan 17 00:00:37 <mouser> was that guy asking about he dog?
Jan 17 00:00:44 <mouser> the*
Jan 17 00:00:51 <av500> yes
Jan 17 00:01:00 <djlewis> emeb: it was difficult to tell if he was truely confused about our purpose or if he really was a troll
Jan 17 00:01:22 <jay6981> seemed like a child who hasn't been told about the birds and the bees yet
Jan 17 00:01:25 <emeb> All the repetition seemed like the latter.
Jan 17 00:01:30 <djlewis> yes
Jan 17 00:02:11 <emeb> djlewis: has beagles and dogs too.
Jan 17 00:02:38 <djlewis> yeah :) last night my big dog gets in a fight with a racoon
Jan 17 00:02:48 <emeb> djlewis: who won?
Jan 17 00:02:51 <djlewis> I had to go out and shoot the darn racoon
Jan 17 00:03:01 <djlewis> the coon was going for the eyes
Jan 17 00:03:05 <emeb> owche!
Jan 17 00:03:23 <djlewis> this morning the big dawg is sniffing my truck.
Jan 17 00:03:35 <djlewis> I open the hood and the engine compartment is full of rats nest
Jan 17 00:03:41 <emeb> oh joy.
Jan 17 00:03:50 <emeb> hopefully  not chewing the wiring...
Jan 17 00:04:00 <djlewis> 2 hours later i get it cleaned out and wires and vacuum lines patched.
Jan 17 00:04:14 <djlewis> Then the dawg starts sniffing the chassis.
Jan 17 00:04:17 <mranostay> djlewis: going through that user's questions (classic) -- > "Can my Beabull give birth without male?"
Jan 17 00:04:38 <mranostay> i think someone needs a little biology lesson :)
Jan 17 00:04:43 <emeb> someone needs to invent rat repellant for cars.
Jan 17 00:04:58 <djlewis>  So i look and see the rat hiding on the chassis.
Jan 17 00:05:11 <emeb> waiting to return when you're not looking.
Jan 17 00:05:12 * djlewis goes gets rifle and makes mess of rat :)
Jan 17 00:05:25 <djlewis> big dawg eats rat :)
Jan 17 00:05:29 <mranostay> djlewis: be sure it is out of the car first :)
Jan 17 00:05:33 <emeb> reward!
Jan 17 00:05:35 <djlewis> that was not a plesant sight
Jan 17 00:05:45 <mranostay> insurance is not covering gunshots to your car :)
Jan 17 00:06:10 <emeb> those are a badge of honor in some places!
Jan 17 00:06:22 <djlewis> my pickup has these hollow stell tube joiners between the main chassis. Rat was in a tube.
Jan 17 00:06:32 <djlewis> steel
Jan 17 00:06:49 <djlewis> easy pickins
Jan 17 00:07:06 <mranostay> emeb: yeah i've lived in those areas a few times in my life
Jan 17 00:07:22 <mranostay> you zone out the gunfire after awhile
Jan 17 00:07:23 <djlewis> Yeah, I decided to let him bask in his reward. though last night he had no interest in disposing of the racoon
Jan 17 00:07:50 <mranostay> djlewis: where you live again? AR?
Jan 17 00:08:09 <djlewis> It was cool to watch him after I shot the coon, it fell and he pounced on it trying to break its dead neck.
Jan 17 00:08:16 <emeb> mranostay: hope you don't have to go back to those places.
Jan 17 00:08:32 * djlewis lives in the mtns of rural arkansas
Jan 17 00:08:44 <emeb> djlewis: had pent-up aggressions to release. 
Jan 17 00:08:57 * djlewis loves going rat hunting :)
Jan 17 00:09:12 <djlewis> they are distructive or I might leave them alone.
Jan 17 00:09:28 <djlewis> I had to replace all the wiring in my riding mower.
Jan 17 00:09:35 <djlewis> and a fuel line
Jan 17 00:09:52 <djlewis> half the wiring under the truck hood is patched
Jan 17 00:10:31 <djlewis> They have eaten insulation off the main electrical wires in homes.
Jan 17 00:10:36 <djlewis> not mine yet
Jan 17 00:11:02 <ds2> so you will be walking around with a coon hat soon?
Jan 17 00:11:33 <djlewis> was that davey crockett?
Jan 17 00:12:43 <mranostay> i think boone
Jan 17 00:18:43 <mranostay> emeb: yeah well i'm about to move out of one of those cities. (although my area is mostly safe)
Jan 17 00:19:13 <emeb> mranostay: go west young man!
Jan 17 00:20:03 <mranostay> emeb: yeah i'm going to the bay area :)
Jan 17 00:20:22 <jay6981> stay away from east palo alto
Jan 17 00:20:42 <emeb> heh - too much like the places you're trying to avoid.
Jan 17 00:20:52 <mranostay> heh yeah i know and Oakland
Jan 17 00:22:02 <ds2> emeb: what's the city frys is in? mesa?
Jan 17 00:22:47 <_av500_> freedom fry's?
Jan 17 00:22:53 <djlewis> french fries
Jan 17 00:23:03 <mranostay> the french don't even want them :P
Jan 17 00:23:34 <emeb> ds2: both Fry's are in Phoenix. One in North Phoenix near I-17 and Thunderbird, one in south near I-10 and Baseline.
Jan 17 00:24:39 <ds2> emeb: really? thought the one near the mall in the south part is in another city
Jan 17 00:24:48 <ds2> the I10/baseline one
Jan 17 00:25:01 <emeb> ds2: It's close to the Phoenix/Tempe border.
Jan 17 00:25:13 <emeb> It might actually be Tempe...
Jan 17 00:26:18 * djlewis dislikes large gaterings of people like cities.
Jan 17 00:26:42 <emeb> benefits & hazards. "If it's a benefit, it's not my problem"
Jan 17 00:26:56 <ds2> emeb: was trying to find out if that is as ghetto as it gets w/o actually being in PHX
Jan 17 00:27:21 <emeb> ds2: you mean Tempe? Hmmm.
Jan 17 00:27:35 <ds2> emeb: that area around I10/baseline
Jan 17 00:27:41 <emeb> ds2: The area along Apache Blvd east of the University has a bit of a reputation too.
Jan 17 00:27:55 <ds2> like outside of the AZ Mills (I think that's the mall around there)
Jan 17 00:28:40 <emeb> South of AZ Mills is the small town of Guadalupe which is wedged in between Tempe and Phoenix. Also not a great place to hang out.
Jan 17 00:29:27 <ds2> Hmm
Jan 17 00:29:50 <djlewis> little Guadalupe . . .
Jan 17 00:30:36 <ds2> IIRC, Guadalupe didn't look as bad as the area around the Frys
Jan 17 00:31:23 <emeb> You must not have seen much of Guadalupe then. Dirt roads, burned out shacks, etc.
Jan 17 00:33:01 <emeb> Your basic Mexican Pueblo transported ~150mi north.
Jan 17 00:33:09 <ds2> I guess not.
Jan 17 00:33:22 <ds2> pass through it on the way back from the zoo
Jan 17 00:33:40 <emeb> Actually, they're doing a lot to improve it lately. I'm mostly remembering what it was like 20 years ago...
Jan 17 00:34:31 <emeb> ds2: you go Priest to the Zoo?
Jan 17 00:34:56 <emeb> aka "Avenida Del Yaqui"
Jan 17 00:35:02 <ds2> emeb: i was staying in tempe at that time. not sure the exact street as I was following someone
Jan 17 00:44:05 <djlewis> later guys . . .
Jan 17 00:44:06 <jkridner> ka6sox: calculus: if you have blogs or mailing lists you frequent, please let it be known you'll be giving away a BeagleBone or two at SCaLE.
Jan 17 00:44:52 <jkridner> I'm not too concerned how you do the give-away.  Please try to make it "fair" (ie., don't play favorites to the point where it irritates someone).
Jan 17 00:45:10 <jkridner> I'm fine with them going towards real projects or simply randomly.
Jan 17 00:45:44 <jkridner> you are fully deputized representatives of beagleboard.org, so represent!
Jan 17 00:45:47 <jkridner> :)
Jan 17 00:47:32 <ds2> hehe
Jan 17 00:51:58 <Tartarus> Little late, but yes, AZ Mills is the mall
Jan 17 00:52:20 <Tartarus> They've got a rain forest cafe so we stop in when we're in the area, heh
Jan 17 00:52:27 <tlab> everytime I try to zcat the new angstrom image to an sd card it locks up ubuntu after a min or two
Jan 17 00:53:39 <Tartarus> right size sd card?
Jan 17 00:53:46 <tlab> 4gb card
Jan 17 00:54:09 <tlab> I'm zcat'in the image before it and so far so good
Jan 17 00:54:27 <ds2> as long as it recovers
Jan 17 00:54:34 <ds2> that is probally it sync'ing out to the real media
Jan 17 00:54:48 <tlab> recovers? it locks it up hard
Jan 17 00:55:03 <tlab> can't move mouse, no lights blink
Jan 17 00:55:09 <jay6981> unlikely that has anything to do with the image
Jan 17 00:55:11 <tlab> keyboard doesn't work
Jan 17 00:55:46 <tlab> tried two sd cards
Jan 17 00:56:19 <tlab> this older image is still zcating so it's got to be further than the newest image
Jan 17 00:56:36 <tlab> ls
Jan 17 00:57:04 <ds2> you did unmount it before doing, right?
Jan 17 00:57:26 <tlab> yes
Jan 17 00:57:42 <ds2> just as a sanitycheck, how did you do that?
Jan 17 00:58:00 <tlab> right click on it on the desktop and hit eject
Jan 17 00:58:17 <ds2> hmmm
Jan 17 00:58:23 <ds2> try this just in case -
Jan 17 00:58:48 <ds2> before doing the zcat (do everything the same up to that point), type "mount" and see if it has any reference to the device
Jan 17 00:58:54 <ds2> maybe there is another partition?
Jan 17 00:59:06 <ds2> Ubuntu's braindeadness changes from version to version
Jan 17 00:59:10 <tlab> well I'm zcat the older image atm
Jan 17 00:59:24 <tlab> takes awhile to zcat
Jan 17 01:00:19 <ds2> *nod*
Jan 17 01:01:32 <tlab> well that zcat went ok
Jan 17 01:04:28 <tlab> ok well here goes
Jan 17 01:04:40 <tlab> if I disconnect it's probably from a lock up
Jan 17 01:04:52 <tlab> anyway to tell ubuntu to get out of a total lock up?
Jan 17 01:05:05 <jay6981> what you describe sounds like a hardware problem
Jan 17 01:05:33 <tlab> I guess it could be
Jan 17 01:06:05 <jay6981> it shouldn't lock up, ever
Jan 17 01:06:39 <tlab> have you zcat the image successfully?
Jan 17 01:07:53 <jay6981> never tried
Jan 17 01:09:19 <thurbad> tlab you can't even get into a virtual terminal?
Jan 17 01:09:57 <ds2> tlab: what is the exact commandline you are using?
Jan 17 01:10:03 <tlab> no, it locks up.. doesn't respond to anything.. sd card light even stops flashing
Jan 17 01:11:42 <tlab> it's still going so maybe it will go thru this time
Jan 17 01:11:53 <tlab> it was a new 4gb card
Jan 17 01:12:21 <jay6981> your entire machine locks up, right?
Jan 17 01:13:43 <ds2> what is the exact command you are using?
Jan 17 01:16:01 <tlab> locked up 8(
Jan 17 01:20:01 <tlab> not sure why I would have a hardware issue that only shows up when I zcat a certain image file
Jan 17 01:20:36 <jay6981> the entire machine locks up?
Jan 17 01:21:17 <tlab> the host machine yes.  no mouse, no keyboard and the video is doesn't move
Jan 17 01:21:39 <tlab> sd card light stops flashing
Jan 17 01:21:41 <jay6981> that shouldn't happen, regardless of what/where you zcat
Jan 17 01:22:10 <tlab> only locks up when I zcat that file
Jan 17 01:22:21 <tlab> kinda weird
Jan 17 01:22:27 <jay6981> indeed peculiar
Jan 17 01:22:50 <tlab> could be something in the ubuntu
Jan 17 01:23:13 <tlab> I do have this weird thing when I unplug the cord it says I only have 4 mins of battery left
Jan 17 01:23:36 <tlab> on a full battery, but I know the battery is good because it works just fine in windows
Jan 17 02:12:52 <mouser> So, I'm starting as a TA and my first task is to come up with 2 labs for an embedded systems class using one of the beagle boards.
Jan 17 02:13:18 <mouser> My first idea was using the beaglebone, connect a USB webcam and light up an LED when motion is detected.
Jan 17 02:13:33 <mouser> Does that seem like it would be fairly simple? I'll take whatever advice i can get
Jan 17 02:16:27 <thurbad> dpends on the level of the users
Jan 17 02:17:13 <thurbad> just getting a webcam connected to a running beagle is a lot for some that have never tried inn linux
Jan 17 02:32:28 <mouser> im not very experienced in linux  unfortunately
Jan 17 02:33:16 <mouser> i mean ive used ubuntu but thats about it
Jan 17 02:49:56 <mouser> has anyone gotten OpenCV or a similar package to work with beaglebone?
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Jan 17 03:05:56 <mranostay> mouser: er i don't think the bone has a DSP
Jan 17 03:08:36 <prpplague> mouser: http://imakethin.gs/blog/?p=2613
Jan 17 03:10:51 <mranostay> prpplague: interesting
Jan 17 03:11:21 <mranostay> and i read that as OpenCL
Jan 17 03:11:23 <mranostay> ....
Jan 17 03:51:22 <mouser> sorry i was scrimming counter-strike
Jan 17 03:51:26 <mouser> thanks for the link
Jan 17 03:55:23 <mouser> have you guys done any cool projects that would make a good 2nd lab?
Jan 17 04:38:32 <mranostay> mouser: 2nd lab?
Jan 17 05:42:22 <mouser> yeah, I'm supposed to come up with 2 labs for a class
Jan 17 05:42:31 <mouser> sorry for the delay
Jan 17 05:48:18 <jvcleave> hello - anyone around to possibly answer a beaglebone question?
Jan 17 05:48:32 <_av500_> ask, dont ask to ask
Jan 17 05:49:46 <jvcleave> trying to revert a beaglebone back to factory settings on a mac
Jan 17 05:50:11 <jvcleave> is there a good reference in doing so?
Jan 17 05:52:54 <_av500_> since there is nothing on a beaglebone that can store information, you already succeeded
Jan 17 05:54:53 <jvcleave> I guess I mean the SD image
Jan 17 05:55:08 <_av500_> as for the contents of the sdcard, there should be a downloadble image
Jan 17 05:57:52 <jvcleave> When I plug it in I can see the drive and contents but when I eject it I can't get to the web interface
Jan 17 06:02:54 <truls> jvcleave: try upgrading to the latest angstrom
Jan 17 06:03:12 <jvcleave> I get a response when try ssh root@192.168.7.1
Jan 17 06:03:28 <jvcleave> but it doesn't take a password
Jan 17 06:03:35 <truls> it shouldnt
Jan 17 06:03:55 <truls> there's no password set
Jan 17 06:04:28 <truls> and the ip should be 192.167.7.2
Jan 17 06:04:40 <jvcleave> ok that worked - thanks!
Jan 17 06:04:46 <truls> http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/README.htm
Jan 17 06:05:00 <truls> follow this if you aren't already
Jan 17 06:05:18 <truls> it covers all this
Jan 17 06:05:56 <truls> i typo'd the ip though, should be: 192.168.7.2 ;)
Jan 17 06:05:59 <jvcleave> yeah - was referencing that but got hung up when the preso links didn't work
Jan 17 06:06:09 <truls> preso links?
Jan 17 06:06:45 <jvcleave> yeah - i actually was try .2 as you were typing that
Jan 17 06:06:48 <jvcleave> BeagleBone 101 presentation - http://192.168.7.2
Jan 17 06:06:51 <truls> ah
Jan 17 06:07:21 <truls> yeah, that bit's a bit confusing
Jan 17 06:07:39 <mouser> how do you ssh if there is no password?
Jan 17 06:07:42 <mouser> just leave it blank?
Jan 17 06:08:25 <jvcleave> I had set a password previously
Jan 17 06:08:47 <truls> mouser: blank is default
Jan 17 06:09:59 <jvcleave> I was having an issue with using the ethernet on it before and I updated some files (didn't work) so I was trying to start again from scratch
Jan 17 06:14:46 <jvcleave> so looking at http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beagleboard/index.html
Jan 17 06:15:26 <jvcleave> I don't have an /dev/sdX for this part of the instructions "sh mkcard.txt /dev/sdX"
Jan 17 06:15:52 <truls> probably because you ejected the memory card
Jan 17 06:16:01 <truls> my workaroudn for this was using disk utility
Jan 17 06:16:21 <truls> so i could unmount the filesystems on the memory card without ejecting the whole device
Jan 17 06:17:12 <jvcleave> I'll look again with it mounted
Jan 17 06:17:25 <truls> just be careful when you do this, so you don't fry the wrong system ;)
Jan 17 06:18:09 <truls> there should be easier instructions than this actually...
Jan 17 06:18:41 <truls> you have a beaglebone, right?
Jan 17 06:18:45 <truls> so use http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Jan 17 06:18:53 <truls> don't use the beagleboard stuff
Jan 17 06:19:47 <truls> if you look on the beaglebone page, all you do is zcat the image to the device
Jan 17 06:20:09 <jhulten> truls You know of any mirrors? angstrom-distribution is really slow...
Jan 17 06:20:11 <truls> you still need to unmount the filesystems without ejecting the card first
Jan 17 06:20:15 <truls> jhulten: no idea, sorry
Jan 17 06:21:06 <jvcleave> yeah - beaglebone - no /dev/sdX
Jan 17 06:21:19 <jvcleave> mounted diskutil sees /dev/disk8
Jan 17 06:21:21 <jhulten> ah. the amazons3 version is way better.
Jan 17 06:21:26 <jhulten> http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html
Jan 17 06:21:31 <jvcleave> yeah - i'm there
Jan 17 06:21:32 <truls> good good
Jan 17 06:21:39 <truls> jvcleave: you changed from the beagleboard page?
Jan 17 06:21:46 <truls> just make sure you have the right iamge
Jan 17 06:21:48 <truls> image
Jan 17 06:22:21 <jvcleave> What I did originally is try to update with opm via SSH on the board
Jan 17 06:23:10 <truls> jvcleave: did you sort out the device problem? should be easy enough with disk utility, or manually umounting in Terminal
Jan 17 06:23:24 <truls> (after connecting memory card and having them automount)
Jan 17 06:23:31 <jvcleave> yeah - this is what I am wondering 
Jan 17 06:23:48 <truls> i used disk utility, you can do it however you prefer ;)
Jan 17 06:24:55 <jvcleave> nevermind - yeah - I can go either way
Jan 17 06:25:04 <jvcleave> let do disk utility
Jan 17 06:44:07 <jvcleave> tried zcat which gave me a "device busy"
Jan 17 06:44:56 <jvcleave> so I should use "Restore" in Disk Utility and the Angstrom sd.img?
Jan 17 07:00:08 <jvcleave> didn't work :/   going to try a linux machine
Jan 17 07:19:36 <truls> jvcleave: device busy is because it's still mounted
Jan 17 07:19:45 <truls> you need to do unmount on each partition in disk utility
Jan 17 07:19:52 <truls> but not on the main device
Jan 17 07:20:27 <truls> and then you use zcat to apply it to the device
Jan 17 07:20:57 <jvcleave> should I be seeing more than one partition?
Jan 17 07:21:44 <truls> depends on the version of angstrom i think
Jan 17 07:22:02 <truls> so anyway there should be your memory card device, with at least one partition inside
Jan 17 07:22:14 <truls> and you unmount only the partition, and leave the device
Jan 17 07:27:44 <jvcleave> hmm zcat failed
Jan 17 07:27:53 <jvcleave> bash-3.2# pwd
Jan 17 07:27:53 <jvcleave> bash-3.2# ls
Jan 17 07:27:53 <jvcleave> Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beaglebone-2012.01.11.img.gz
Jan 17 07:27:54 <jvcleave> bash-3.2# zcat Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beaglebone-2012.01.11.img.gz > /dev/disk8
Jan 17 07:27:54 <jvcleave> zcat: Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beaglebone-2012.01.11.img.gz.Z: No such file or directory
Jan 17 07:30:03 <jvcleave> wonder what *.img.gz.Z is?
Jan 17 07:31:16 <truls> did you get the entire file?
Jan 17 07:31:40 <truls> and do you have enough space to unpack temporary data?
Jan 17 07:32:59 <truls> and you are doing this in terminal on your mac right?
Jan 17 07:33:10 <jvcleave> got the entire file i suppose (it's actually larger than the page says 201.7MB vs 192MB
Jan 17 07:33:33 <truls> /dev/disk8 sounds strange 
Jan 17 07:33:36 <jvcleave> enough space on my system or the SD card?
Jan 17 07:33:39 <truls> system
Jan 17 07:33:47 <truls> where are you doing this?
Jan 17 07:33:57 <jvcleave> yeah 44GB
Jan 17 07:34:13 <jvcleave> I am root on my Desktop
Jan 17 07:34:27 <truls> why root?
Jan 17 07:34:41 <truls> anyway...
Jan 17 07:34:56 <jvcleave> I thought sudo -s made me root
Jan 17 07:35:07 <jvcleave> I can try it without
Jan 17 07:35:18 <truls> sorry, probably does, but shouldn't be necessary
Jan 17 07:35:42 <truls> just make sure in disk utility that /dev/disk8 is the correct device
Jan 17 07:36:00 <truls> not sure what happened regarding .gz.Z not being found though...
Jan 17 07:37:18 <jvcleave> this is diskutility http://i.imgur.com/dpy8d.png
Jan 17 07:37:50 <truls> looks good!
Jan 17 07:37:57 <truls> /dev/disk8 is fine then
Jan 17 07:38:14 <truls> ehm
Jan 17 07:38:15 <truls> no
Jan 17 07:38:18 <truls> 74 MB?
Jan 17 07:38:28 <truls> way too small
Jan 17 07:38:39 <truls> should be a 4GB device
Jan 17 07:40:58 <jvcleave> :(
Jan 17 07:42:41 <jvcleave> i have another micro sd card
Jan 17 07:45:31 <jvcleave> When I try the second micro SD card no device or BEAGLE_BONE drive shows up
Jan 17 07:53:51 <jvcleave> tried using an SD Card reader with the 4GB card and getting same error with the file
Jan 17 07:54:23 <jvcleave> the file is able to decompress using stuffit
Jan 17 07:54:46 <aholler> first, be sure /dev/disk8 is your sd-card, second be sure the card is not mounted
Jan 17 08:04:22 <jvcleave> thanks aholler - did that
Jan 17 08:06:17 <jvcleave> going to try the linux machine/SD card reader
Jan 17 09:27:10 <jvcleave> so for the record - deleted partitions in windows, Formatted the SD card using mkcard.txt in Mint 11 and then zcat worked
Jan 17 10:17:45 <hitlin37> 1024*768M...what is M here?
Jan 17 10:27:35 <hitlin37> got it
Jan 17 10:27:47 <hitlin37>  M indicates the kernel will calculate a VESA mode on-the-fly
Jan 17 11:32:37 <matheiu> hello, I have a problem of language system on windows when I want to install BONE_DRV.exe.? Have you some suggestion?
Jan 17 11:37:57 <sphere00> hi
Jan 17 11:38:16 <sphere00> i have the problem my beagle board
Jan 17 11:38:57 <sphere00> when i power on my beagle board 
Jan 17 11:39:16 <sphere00> there is no prompt
Jan 17 11:39:21 <sphere00> hi
Jan 17 11:39:40 <sphere00> hi
Jan 17 11:40:15 <rmoriz> hi!
Jan 17 12:08:43 <LetoThe2nd> i'm slowly getting really annoyed with watterott. yesterday they told me off to beagleboard.org RMA in just a couple of minutes. this morning i forwarded theok to them, and now they don't respond again. sorry folks, but thats just not how this is meant to work.
Jan 17 12:11:37 <LetoThe2nd> and can't someone here silence this join/part spam which is getting really ridiculous slowly?
Jan 17 12:15:33 <av500> LetoThe2nd: you irc client
Jan 17 12:15:35 <av500> your
Jan 17 12:15:48 <LetoThe2nd> av500: thats the last resort indeed
Jan 17 12:16:32 <av500> I dont think it can be silenced on the server
Jan 17 12:16:46 <av500> I mean it could, but it would break things for users
Jan 17 12:21:15 <thurbad> your client can probably hide the join/part messages
Jan 17 12:21:40 <av500> yes
Jan 17 12:21:50 <av500> but he wants Al Gore to fix it for him
Jan 17 12:22:29 <LetoThe2nd> av500: nah, in some channels i know people with broken conenctions and not responding when asked to fix it are jsut banned.
Jan 17 12:23:00 <thurbad> there's no mods in this room
Jan 17 12:23:01 <av500> yes, but this channel as no op
Jan 17 12:23:24 <LetoThe2nd> ah, so anarchy? ;)
Jan 17 12:23:40 <av500> yes
Jan 17 12:23:46 <LetoThe2nd> why, by the way?
Jan 17 12:23:53 <thurbad> also it's kinda lame to ban people for having bad connections
Jan 17 12:24:09 <av500> LetoThe2nd: because nobody bothered to reg it
Jan 17 12:24:13 <av500> 3ys ago
Jan 17 12:24:59 <LetoThe2nd> thurbad: i personally find it just annoying when people are kindly asked to fix their connections, and are totally unresponsive. instead of maybe just disabling their autojoin or something.
Jan 17 12:25:16 <LetoThe2nd> av500: i see room for improvement ther.
Jan 17 12:25:34 <thurbad> it's all subjective I quess
Jan 17 12:25:34 <av500> LetoThe2nd: feel free to try
Jan 17 12:25:45 <av500> jkridner spend days with the freenode ops and got nowhere
Jan 17 12:25:57 <LetoThe2nd> masterant: once again - would you please kindly fix your connection or take this channel out of your autojoin list?
Jan 17 12:26:22 <LetoThe2nd> av500: ah why is that?
Jan 17 12:26:37 <av500> LetoThe2nd: yes, the answer to that question is what we seek
Jan 17 12:27:02 <LetoThe2nd> who set the topic then? ;)
Jan 17 12:27:27 <av500> somebody why was OP back them
Jan 17 12:27:39 <av500> but a simple leave/join and op is gone
Jan 17 12:27:45 <av500> why->who
Jan 17 12:28:08 <av500> as there was no Chanserv or so
Jan 17 12:28:09 <koen> LetoThe2nd: freenode is terribly bureaucratic
Jan 17 12:28:26 <koen> LetoThe2nd: iirc kridner gave up after being on the "waiting list" for > 1 year
Jan 17 12:28:37 <LetoThe2nd> av500: i mean, was staff unresponsive, just ignoring, did they decline, or what?
Jan 17 12:29:08 <thurbad> yeah we thought about registering a channel here a while ago, but the process is such a pain in the ass on freenode
Jan 17 12:40:21 <bones_was_here> hai, is there a driver for the analog signals on the beaglebone?
Jan 17 12:41:48 <koen> bones_was_here: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/using-the-analog-pins-on-a-beaglebone
Jan 17 12:41:48 <av500> which ones?
Jan 17 12:43:29 <bones_was_here> which kernel module or option do i need for /sys/devices/platform/tsc/ain* to be available?
Jan 17 12:51:50 <koen> bones_was_here: none, just use an up to date angstrom image
Jan 17 12:52:46 <bones_was_here> hm, ok
Jan 17 13:11:52 <rmoriz> so as you may remember I demoed the bone to the fablab audience. seems javascript is not yet popular, but people were interested in the hardware (also showed the -xM and a PandaBoard). Most are interested in the "raspberry" and have not heard much about linux capable ARM boards yet (but they knew that there's something like "BeagleBoard"). Arduino is there "native environment". 
Jan 17 13:13:22 <koen> I know I'm biased, the but raspberry fails to excite me
Jan 17 13:13:28 <rmoriz> but it's a very nice, friendly group with a very good toolset. So I'll probably join and build "my own" project :)
Jan 17 13:13:28 <koen> underpower oversubsidized
Jan 17 13:14:26 <rmoriz> yes
Jan 17 13:14:38 <rmoriz> the intention behind it is the usage in school classes
Jan 17 13:14:57 <rmoriz> also the fablab has some cooperation with schools so that's probably the reason they know about it
Jan 17 13:16:37 <rmoriz> some of them are focussed on doing art-projects, that's why they have a lot of arduino knowhow
Jan 17 13:17:25 <DJWillis> Yep, Raspberry has a lot of pull in the education markets but considering the hertige and the strong ties (in the UK) to education that is not a supprise. It does seem very oversubsidized for what it is. I guess it's about gaining hearts and minds with cash ;).
Jan 17 13:18:18 <rmoriz> i wonder what the device will run. i think a good, easy to use software foundation is the key
Jan 17 13:18:44 <rmoriz> that's why the cloud9+node combo is awesome, imho
Jan 17 13:19:51 <rmoriz> from what i read they (raspberry) still have not decided which distribution to use. that probably means they will not have resources to build something like that on top of it soon
Jan 17 13:20:35 <DJWillis> rmoriz: I also think they are hoping for a groundswell of support a'la Beagle to get it going.
Jan 17 13:20:40 <rmoriz> ok. compiling node/v8 + cloud9 is not a big deal but someone has to write an interface mapping like bonescript
Jan 17 13:21:06 <DJWillis> rmoriz: also reminds me that I need to look more at the node, bonescript and cloud9 stuff.
Jan 17 13:21:09 <rmoriz> DJWillis: yes. the drive of momentum. 
Jan 17 13:21:34 <DJWillis> rmoriz: hardware out there does help ;)
Jan 17 13:23:18 <rmoriz> from a "commercial" perspective it's a good plan to keep the price low for the moment. if it gets a approved in country-wide education, you can sell lots of the devices over the next couple of years ;-) 
Jan 17 13:24:29 <rmoriz> this is not bad at all for other similar projects. people will want to use wifi, do more (or easier/more abstracted) stuff and look for more-powerful devices.
Jan 17 13:25:01 <mru> koen: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro/+spec/linaro-toolchain-q112-open-embedded-core-support
Jan 17 13:25:22 <DJWillis> rmoriz: yep, just like the old BBC/Acorn stuff in the day, break into the education sector and you have it over a chair and can up the costs a little as many courses become tied to it ;)
Jan 17 13:26:13 <rmoriz> LetoThe2nd: i just received another mail from watterott. first the mail was about a refunding but later they wrote it's just a "default" mail and they'll replace the Bone….. 
Jan 17 13:28:14 <rmoriz> have to go. bbl
Jan 17 13:42:48 <Kate123> hey i unpack the newest demo image of angstrom on the beaglebone micro sd card then i put the sd card in the beaglebone and connect the beaglebone with my pc but no ttyUSB* appears. ps i'm using ubuntu+
Jan 17 13:48:58 <Kate123> clear
Jan 17 13:50:17 <bonebone> it's impossible for me to fetch and compile the kernel for beaglebone with bitbake, anyone know if it's possible?
Jan 17 13:51:11 <bonebone> bitbake gets stuck with linux-ti33x-psp_3.1.bb
Jan 17 13:51:18 <koen> bonebone: it's impossible
Jan 17 13:51:32 <bonebone> it seems the git fetch part is broken
Jan 17 13:51:34 <koen> the sd card in the bone was created from pixydust
Jan 17 13:51:58 <mru> koen: the sd card in the bone jkridner sent me was blank
Jan 17 13:52:12 <mru> pixiedust must have fallen off in the mail
Jan 17 13:52:38 <bonebone> koen: perhaps last bitbake version is broken
Jan 17 13:53:07 <bonebone> but it only fails with linux-ti33x-psp_3.1.bb
Jan 17 13:53:29 <bonebone> it doesn't fetch, it says it's not a bare git repository
Jan 17 13:53:32 <mru> try something without psp or bsp in the name
Jan 17 13:53:45 <mru> nor sdk
Jan 17 13:54:32 <bonebone> mru: i do bitbake virtual/kernel
Jan 17 13:56:52 <koen> mru: did the 2nd bone arrive yet?
Jan 17 13:57:12 <mru> nope
Jan 17 13:57:25 <mru> it might have arrived today, I'm not home
Jan 17 13:57:30 <mru> when and how did you send it?
Jan 17 13:57:55 <rsalveti> koen: hey, do you know if we have sgx drivers for omap3 built for armhf?
Jan 17 13:58:56 <bonebone> if i add the line GITDIR="${WORKDIR}/git" in linux-ti33x-psp_3.1.bb then it starts fetch from github, else it tries to download git2_github.com.beagleboard.linux.git.tar.gz from angstrom-distribution.org
Jan 17 13:59:23 <bonebone> but it's incredibly slow and the connection stops after few minutes
Jan 17 13:59:29 <koen> rsalveti: not publically :(
Jan 17 13:59:39 <rsalveti> koen: :-(
Jan 17 14:00:11 <koen> rsalveti: true story: I have been campaining for hf sgx builds since I joined TI 2.5 years ago
Jan 17 14:00:42 <rsalveti> koen: yeah, I imagined that
Jan 17 14:01:45 <sakoman_> koen: speaking of sgx . . .
Jan 17 14:01:50 <sakoman_> anything new to test?
Jan 17 14:01:54 <koen> sakoman_: nothing yet
Jan 17 14:02:08 <koen> sakoman_: I did confirm that the time to make feature request to the sgx team is now
Jan 17 14:02:21 <koen> all the deadlines for new SoCs are gone :)
Jan 17 14:03:13 <mru> koen: rsalveti: so let's make some wrappers
Jan 17 14:03:17 <mru> it's not that hard
Jan 17 14:03:39 * koen wtfs
Jan 17 14:03:48 <koen> linaro-media-create needs qemu?!?!?!
Jan 17 14:04:14 <mru> guess my choice to not look at that thing was a wise one
Jan 17 14:05:07 <reisei> \quit
Jan 17 14:05:11 <bonebone> well, anyway, i go on telling my adventures, i clone the kernel repository manually the linux-ti33x-psp-3.1-r2h+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d branch in setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2010_x-eglibc/work/beaglebone-angstrom-linux-gnueabi, if then i do a bitbake virtual/kernel the fetch process pass but it gets stuck in the patch task, can anyone tell me what is the directory structure in setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom
Jan 17 14:05:44 <bonebone> can anyone tell me so i can reproduce it by hand?
Jan 17 14:06:06 <koen> bitbake virtual/kernel -c cleanall
Jan 17 14:07:13 <bonebone> i want to know where the patches folder is in the kernel so i can do a bitbake -c patch -b linux-ti33x-psp_3.1.bb
Jan 17 14:08:21 <bonebone> i try the cleanall now, that is the only thing i haven't tried X-D
Jan 17 14:11:19 <rsalveti> koen: don't blame me on that one :-)
Jan 17 14:12:52 <av500> rsalveti: nokla has hf drivers for you, ask the maemo, er meego, er mer people
Jan 17 14:13:27 <rsalveti> av500: yeah, I just wonder if that works fine with beagle, I believe it should but you never know 
Jan 17 14:13:41 <av500> rsalveti: why should it not work with the beagle?
Jan 17 14:13:56 <av500> of course you are stukc with whatever x11 interface nokia was using
Jan 17 14:17:00 <bonebone> koen: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! it's working
Jan 17 14:18:47 <bonebone> euge@tera:~/datos/angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/downloads$ cat /proc/20959/cmdline 
Jan 17 14:19:28 <bonebone> home/euge/datos/angstrom/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2010_x-eglibc/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/git.realclone--bare--mirrorgit://github.com/beagleboard/linux.git/home/euge/datos/angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/downloads/git2/github.com.beagleboard.linux.git
Jan 17 14:20:05 <bonebone> now it's fetching ok, amazing 
Jan 17 14:24:50 <bonebone> well, another question, i'm a beagle noob, this is my first card, yerterday i did a pcb with a 7 inch lcd, i have connected it to the beaglebone, i turn on the backlight but nothing in the screen appears, i suppose i have to change the kernel and define a panel in there and activate the framebuffer, also the lcd doesn't work with vsync/hsync but only with den, anyone knows if there is a problem with this??? thx
Jan 17 14:38:37 <koen> now thast linaro thing is running gcc under qemu
Jan 17 14:38:40 <koen> -s
Jan 17 14:40:20 <mru> fun
Jan 17 15:32:59 <mranostay> morning
Jan 17 15:33:07 <av500> has broken
Jan 17 15:33:53 <mranostay> hmmm seems although i had everything on the UPS except the powered hub...
Jan 17 15:34:09 <mranostay> always the small things
Jan 17 15:34:48 <mranostay> i can be only guy here with a home lab that is basically a coffee table :)
Jan 17 15:35:25 <mru> meaning?
Jan 17 15:36:07 <av500> he has a cup of coffee on his desk
Jan 17 15:37:53 <mranostay> speaking of which that is a good idea
Jan 17 15:41:26 <jsabeaudry> I'm looking to use a couple of devices plugged in through the I2C bus. I'm wondering whether or not there is already a driver written for that particular chip. Where would be the right place to look?
Jan 17 15:42:51 <koen> I usually google it
Jan 17 15:43:18 <mdp> google will even look in the kernel source for you
Jan 17 15:43:47 <mdp> or bing it
Jan 17 15:44:08 <av500> lycos!
Jan 17 15:44:26 <mdp> gopher fetch
Jan 17 15:45:52 <jsabeaudry> You append "linux driver" to the search or perhaps "site:kernel.org" ?
Jan 17 15:46:14 <av500> $device linux
Jan 17 15:47:12 * mdp tried askjeeves.com in natural language mode
Jan 17 15:47:46 <av500> jsabeaudry: what devices?
Jan 17 15:50:04 <jsabeaudry> av500: LTC2607 (DAC), LTC2301 (ADC), PCA9557 (IO), and CAT24C256W (eeprom), so far the PCA seems to have a driver already written
Jan 17 15:50:47 <av500> jsabeaudry: you are going to use them from user space, no?
Jan 17 15:50:53 <jsabeaudry> av500: and the eeprom because it's the same as the one on the beaglebone
Jan 17 15:50:59 <jsabeaudry> av500: yes
Jan 17 15:51:00 <av500> drivers should be a few lines of code
Jan 17 15:51:08 <av500> write your own, learn a thing :)
Jan 17 15:52:06 <jsabeaudry> av500: Oh don't worry I'll have to write one for a custom communication protocol with an FPGA :)
Jan 17 15:52:45 <jsabeaudry> av500: A few lines being what? <100 ?
Jan 17 15:53:48 <mranostay> mdp: you use bing? 
Jan 17 15:53:59 <mdp> mranostay, no :P
Jan 17 15:54:06 <mdp> just askjeeves.com
Jan 17 15:54:17 <mranostay> oh god :)
Jan 17 15:54:29 * mranostay shuns mdp 
Jan 17 15:54:55 * mdp stops shipment on mranostay's capes
Jan 17 15:55:06 <av500> mdp: send em to me!
Jan 17 15:55:25 <mdp> av500, they're boring..just flyingbone pcbs
Jan 17 15:55:31 <mdp> group buy :)
Jan 17 15:56:36 <mdp> mranostay, in the spirit of never finishing a project, I started yet another…now working on total dissolved solids monitor for our well water filtration system
Jan 17 15:57:03 <mru> mdp: oh, you also do nested projects
Jan 17 15:57:11 <mdp> LOL
Jan 17 15:57:21 <mdp> I'll have to borrow that term now :)
Jan 17 16:00:18 <mdp> mranostay, started a teardown of one of these inline TDS digital monitors this weekend..I'd like to have something to send us a dumbphone notification
Jan 17 16:00:25 <mru> credit goes to http://wondermark.com/c/2011-05-06-tink-rules.jpg
Jan 17 16:01:33 <mranostay> nested projects? *makes note of that term*
Jan 17 16:02:52 <mdp> nice
Jan 17 16:03:15 <mdp> more justification for my overflowing cabinet of crap
Jan 17 16:04:08 <av500> ratsnested
Jan 17 16:04:17 <bonebone> well, another question, i'm a beagle noob, this is my first card, yerterday i did a pcb with a 7 inch lcd, i have connected it to the beaglebone, i turn on the backlight but nothing in the screen appears, i suppose i have to change the kernel and define a panel in there and activate the framebuffer, also the lcd doesn't work with vsync/hsync but only with den, anyone knows if there is a problem with this??? thx
Jan 17 16:04:40 <av500> why would anything appear unless you talk to that LCD?
Jan 17 16:05:04 <bonebone> i expect the penguin in the console
Jan 17 16:05:29 <av500> just by connecting wires?
Jan 17 16:05:36 <av500> with no SW changes?
Jan 17 16:05:59 <bonebone> i'm with menuconfig now with the kernel
Jan 17 16:06:08 <bonebone> what do i have to activate?
Jan 17 16:07:17 * av500 will also try to make hardware work by sheer willpower and unbroken optimism
Jan 17 16:07:39 <mdp> mru, ahh, it appears that one isn't available as a nice poster
Jan 17 16:08:05 <av500> mdp: that ex PC company sells printers too....
Jan 17 16:08:14 <mdp> what?!??
Jan 17 16:08:44 <mdp> I would like that in a tin sign format, actually
Jan 17 16:08:49 <mdp> but, that can all be done locally
Jan 17 16:08:49 <bonebone> i see that da8xx/omapl1 framebuffer support is already activated in the vanilla beaglebone
Jan 17 16:09:26 <av500> a framebuffer is a piece of linux memory
Jan 17 16:10:09 <mru> mdp: http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=WON-RULESPOSTER&Category_Code=WON
Jan 17 16:11:05 <mdp> mru, :)
Jan 17 16:11:30 <bonebone> av500: ok, i see what you mean, there is also generic dpi panel activated
Jan 17 16:13:00 <bonebone> are not the timings configured with fbset? or do i have to do it in a kernel module?
Jan 17 16:13:25 <av500> bonebone: what display do you have?
Jan 17 16:13:25 <mru> depends on the driver
Jan 17 16:14:27 <bonebone> av500: it's a 7 inch lcd-tft 800x450
Jan 17 16:14:45 <av500> I have 9 questions left?
Jan 17 16:14:50 <bonebone> av500: it doesn't have vsync/hsync it goes with den
Jan 17 16:15:39 <bonebone> crystalclear is the branch
Jan 17 16:17:04 <mdp> av500, 8, you just expended one question
Jan 17 16:17:46 <bonebone> mmmm, i just discovered that "map the console to the primary display device" is off, perhaps that's why there was nothing put on the screen, not even noise
Jan 17 16:18:05 <av500> mdp: I opt for the olive branch
Jan 17 16:41:15 <Mark__> Hi Cathy
Jan 17 16:41:49 <cwicks> Good morning beagleboard - welcome beagleboard academic meeting
Jan 17 16:41:52 <cwicks> hi Mark
Jan 17 16:42:10 * av500 forgot to bring his diploma
Jan 17 16:42:40 * mru is technically still a student
Jan 17 16:42:52 * av500 too
Jan 17 16:44:24 * mdp hopes for a certified beagleboard technician rating
Jan 17 16:45:25 <cwicks> www.omekinteractive.com/solutions.html
Jan 17 16:45:55 <jkridner> mdp: I can give you a rating and send you an Adafruit badge. :)
Jan 17 16:46:08 <av500> jkridner: AAA?
Jan 17 16:46:14 <jkridner> :)
Jan 17 16:47:30 <mru> so we have A..Z, AA..AZ, BA..ZZ, AAA, right?
Jan 17 16:47:48 <mdp> jkridner, hehe..I just feel like you need an institute and board that administers a course in it
Jan 17 16:48:12 <mdp> that way everybody knows who these capable beagleboard technicians are to hire :)
Jan 17 16:48:20 <jkridner> don't forget AA+
Jan 17 16:48:40 <mdp> but I'll settle for an Adafruit badge in the meantime
Jan 17 16:48:48 <jkridner> I'm planning on trying to develop some additional coursework in conjunction with i3-detroit.
Jan 17 16:49:19 <mdp> yes, underneath the subtle jabs lies some truth :)
Jan 17 16:49:20 <mru> jkridner: is + a half? so that's AA.N then?
Jan 17 16:49:31 <jkridner> ask S&P.
Jan 17 17:07:54 <jsabeaudry> Anyone has had problems with mkcard.txt? When I run it the SD card ends without a valid partition table...
Jan 17 17:15:20 <cwicks> SOPA and PIPA protest information http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout
Jan 17 17:17:29 <av500> not here too please
Jan 17 17:23:19 <mranostay> heh
Jan 17 17:23:32 <mranostay> yes we all know it is bad and such
Jan 17 17:24:24 <jkridner> jsabeaudry: you'll need to provide your log.  it has worked for me in the past.
Jan 17 17:25:55 <jkridner> cwicks: here is an intro to bonescript: http://www.hive76.org/beagle-bone
Jan 17 17:26:42 <jkridner> cwicks: here more of an intro: http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/01/05/beaglebone-coding-101-blinking-an-led/
Jan 17 17:30:37 <jkridner> cwicks: another beaglebone project to think about: http://imakethin.gs/blog/?p=2613
Jan 17 17:35:08 <jay6981> jkridner: neat!
Jan 17 17:35:37 <jkridner> jay6981: I share those links on G+ and the BeagleBoard.org RSS feed.
Jan 17 17:35:51 <jkridner> probably another thing av500 is getting sick of (besides SOPA).
Jan 17 17:35:59 <jkridner> cwicks: did you get the above links?
Jan 17 17:36:02 <jay6981> heh, i will check it out
Jan 17 17:39:46 <cwicks> jkridner - yes thanks - 
Jan 17 17:54:03 <smplman> Im trying to use qemu to build out my system, i have it booting the nano images. How would i create an empty sd card image to build the system then transfer it over the the BB?
Jan 17 17:55:33 <jay6981> smplman: create an empty file with dd of appropriate size
Jan 17 17:55:52 <jay6981> run fdisk on it to create a partition table
Jan 17 17:56:07 <jay6981> mount the partitions you create with dev loop
Jan 17 17:56:21 <jay6981> copy files into mounted partitions
Jan 17 17:56:53 <jay6981> unmount partitions and dd image to actual SD device
Jan 17 17:57:06 <smplman> jay6981: thx, just found some info on it
Jan 17 18:36:31 <smplman> jay6981: how do i mount the file using dev loop? i have the partition table created
Jan 17 18:39:21 <jay6981> smplman: man losetup
Jan 17 18:39:46 <smplman> its asking me to specify a filesystem when mounting but i have two setup
Jan 17 18:40:00 <jay6981> oh. i forgot the step where you initialize the filesystems
Jan 17 18:40:16 <jay6981> you did that?
Jan 17 18:40:21 <smplman> dont i need to mount the partitions to create the filesystems?
Jan 17 18:40:26 <jay6981> no
Jan 17 18:40:37 <smplman> i have the partitions, no filesystems
Jan 17 18:40:39 <jay6981> you do need to create the loop devices
Jan 17 18:40:54 <smplman> for each partition?
Jan 17 18:41:17 <smplman> im just not sure how to reference the patitions of the file
Jan 17 18:41:23 <jay6981> losetup will do that when you attach to the image; it reads the partition table out of the image file you created
Jan 17 18:41:42 <jay6981> it'll create something like /dev/loop0p1
Jan 17 18:41:54 <jay6981> one for each of the partitions you created
Jan 17 18:41:56 <smplman> so i setup /dev/loop0, what would the first partiton be?
Jan 17 18:42:00 <smplman> ahh
Jan 17 18:42:10 <smplman> will try, thx
Jan 17 18:43:48 <smplman> jay6981: im getting no such file or directory /dev/loop0p0 or p1
Jan 17 18:44:00 <jay6981> losetup -a
Jan 17 18:44:02 <smplman> after running losetup ofcourse
Jan 17 18:44:39 <smplman> a is not a param
Jan 17 18:44:49 <smplman> nvrmnd
Jan 17 18:45:07 <jay6981> hm… you might need to use kpartx to do it
Jan 17 18:45:54 <smplman> yea i see i /dev/loop pointing correctly just not the partitions 
Jan 17 18:46:32 <jay6981> ok, try something like:  kpartx -a /dev/loop0
Jan 17 18:47:29 <smplman> no response, just retuned to the shell
Jan 17 18:47:36 <jay6981> kpartx -l
Jan 17 18:47:52 <jay6981> you gotta work the tools… it's unix :)
Jan 17 18:48:38 <smplman> lol yep
Jan 17 18:48:43 <smplman> i see two partitions now
Jan 17 18:48:51 <smplman> let me try to create the filsystems
Jan 17 18:48:57 <jay6981> should be like a normal disk now
Jan 17 18:49:13 <jay6981> just make sure you sync/unmount before you do anything with the img file
Jan 17 18:49:57 <smplman> mkfs is telling me that /dev/loop0p1 no such file or directory
Jan 17 18:50:52 <smplman> actually looking in /dev there are no loop*
Jan 17 18:51:31 <jay6981> that sounds like a problem with your setup… maybe not running udev or something?
Jan 17 18:52:24 <smplman> not sure, there has to be an easier way to create an mount a disk image
Jan 17 18:52:47 <jay6981> heh, probably. i'm showing you how it actually works.
Jan 17 18:53:02 <smplman> it makes sense
Jan 17 18:53:13 <smplman> just a small error probably
Jan 17 18:53:25 <jay6981> something should create the block device nodes on the filesystem. you can create them manually if you find out the major/minor numbers
Jan 17 18:53:33 <jay6981> usually udev handles it, afaik
Jan 17 18:55:14 <smplman> im going to try again from the start
Jan 17 19:06:04 <mouser58907> For an embedded systems class labs, do you think beaglebone or beagleboard would be easier for the students to use/learn?
Jan 17 19:07:32 <prpplague> mouser58907: bone
Jan 17 19:07:57 <jay6981> with bone you have the cloud9/node.js stuff which makes it like arduino
Jan 17 19:11:02 * djlewis hasn't had to kill any nuisance critters in past 24 hours :)
Jan 17 19:12:30 <prpplague> djlewis: ??
Jan 17 19:13:28 <djlewis> prpplague: hi :) , killed a coon in the yard my dog got in a fight with Sunday night and a rat monday morning
Jan 17 19:13:37 <djlewis> that was ruining my truck.
Jan 17 19:13:39 <prpplague> djlewis: doh
Jan 17 19:14:15 <prpplague> djlewis: we've been having troubles with feral pigs and possums lately 
Jan 17 19:18:11 <jsabeaudry> The beagleboard.org mirror of angstrom beaglebone demo image is badly broken: http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html
Jan 17 19:18:13 <jay6981> feral pigs are supposed to be pretty fierce
Jan 17 19:18:32 <jsabeaudry> The MLO file is a great example
Jan 17 19:22:40 <bonebone> mmmm, i'm stuck again :)  I compiled the stock kernel ok, then I made my own .config but now I do bitbake -c clean virtual/kernel ; bitbake virtual/kernel but it doesn't want to recompile, do i have to delete anything more?
Jan 17 19:24:46 <bonebone> do i have to do a cleanall?
Jan 17 19:41:51 <mdp> prpplague, we are totally overrun with coyotes in this area
Jan 17 19:47:21 <djlewis> mdp: what area is that? I hear same for some of missouri and kansas
Jan 17 19:47:51 <mdp> most/all of ohio
Jan 17 19:50:01 <djlewis> hmmm. I hear packs of them in north Arkansas at my mom's home sometimes too.
Jan 17 19:55:00 <thurbad> bonebone: use bitbake -fc compile virtual/kernel
Jan 17 20:32:07 <ash_> any1 workin on beagleboard xm with lcd expansion board v2
Jan 17 20:36:39 <mouser58907> I keep forgetting about this tab. Any suggestions for beaglebone projects for their lab? I only need to come up with 2 of them.
Jan 17 20:37:08 <mouser58907> prpplague: ^^
Jan 17 20:38:32 <prpplague> mouser58907: no clue what your goals are
Jan 17 20:49:16 <mouser58907> It's a 2 hour lab, probably 2 weeks to work on it, so basically two 4 hour labs being walked through step by step. The rest of the labs are not using an OS so this is intended to give them some ideas about using an OS in embedded systems
Jan 17 20:49:52 <bonebone> thurbad: thx
Jan 17 20:50:13 <mouser58907> I guess, what makes the bone easier to learn?
Jan 17 20:50:19 <djlewis> mouser58907: you might follow the howto in the bone srm
Jan 17 21:09:27 <djlewis> if it weren't for malware, trojans, virus etc i'd have no work at all . . . hmmm along :)
Jan 17 21:10:22 <mranostay> what are those? :)
Jan 17 21:10:48 <djlewis> someone once said " Baseball has been very very good to me"
Jan 17 21:11:24 * djlewis has always said microsoft product support has always been very very good to me.
Jan 17 21:12:08 <mranostay> there is no money in the cure i guess :)
Jan 17 21:13:14 <djlewis> i should thank the deranged folk writing this virus stuff :)
Jan 17 21:15:09 <mouser58907> djlewis: What exactly is the howto in the bone srm? I'm not seeing a how to section. Unless I'm looking at the wrong document.
Jan 17 21:15:21 <mranostay> djlewis: 13 year old kids :)
Jan 17 21:16:02 <djlewis> mouser58907: seems as I was looking thru it the other day I saw some talk thru on using the included software.
Jan 17 21:16:21 * djlewis dbl checks
Jan 17 21:16:55 <mouser58907> Unfortunately I've got ot leave for class now, I'll check back when I get home to see.
Jan 17 21:17:09 <djlewis> section 9.0 maybe
Jan 17 21:17:33 <mranostay> speaking of malware. Words With Friends drains way too much battery..
Jan 17 21:18:45 <jay6981> your screen drains too much battery
Jan 17 21:40:12 <xxiao> why can't ti just kill msp430 the 16-bit and fully embrace cortexM3? 
Jan 17 21:40:42 <xxiao> evermthing /me sees ti-deals it's a msp430 device
Jan 17 21:41:08 <djlewis> oh.. thats it... you want cheap heavy processor deals ;)
Jan 17 21:41:14 <ds2> cuz the msp430 is better
Jan 17 21:41:53 <djlewis> yeah, a $4.30 with free shipping cortexM3 dev kit would be cool :)
Jan 17 21:43:30 <ds2> the cortices have their place
Jan 17 21:43:47 <ds2> when they work for a few years with a single CR2032...
Jan 17 21:43:58 * djlewis keeps his cortex in his brain
Jan 17 21:46:26 <djlewis> but i keep my brain under the house in a bucket buried underground
Jan 17 21:46:45 <ds2> just one brain? no redundancies?
Jan 17 21:47:21 <djlewis> I send the dog out to dig it up when it is needed :)
Jan 17 21:58:00 * xxiao is comparing ti stellaris to nxp/stm32 now
Jan 17 21:59:04 <xxiao> stm32 seems to have the broadest M3/M4 line
Jan 17 21:59:31 <xxiao> $13 for devkit
Jan 17 22:00:52 <djlewis> yeah, the Discovery stm32 launchpad?
Jan 17 22:01:05 <xxiao> right
Jan 17 22:04:01 <ds2> the stm32 seems overkill for a lot of apps
Jan 17 22:06:42 <xxiao> ds2: you can use stm32f1 
Jan 17 22:07:48 <emeb> and stm32f1xx is _cheap_
Jan 17 22:08:01 <emeb> (<$3/qty100)
Jan 17 22:08:25 * xxiao received a 8148 from mistral yesterday, too lazy to boot it up
Jan 17 22:08:42 <emeb> 8148 - how ancient is that?
Jan 17 22:08:44 <xxiao> emeb: its F2xx and F4xx is not cheap though
Jan 17 22:08:49 <djlewis> xxiao:  is the thrill gone?
Jan 17 22:09:14 <emeb> xxiao: true. But considering what they provide the cost isn't unreasonable.
Jan 17 22:09:20 <xxiao> djlewis: played with 8168 for more than a year, 8148 is less exciting
Jan 17 22:09:33 <djlewis> ;0)
Jan 17 22:09:45 <xxiao> we want to use 8148 as a audio dsp
Jan 17 22:10:43 <ds2> xxiao: that is overkill
Jan 17 22:11:02 <xxiao> ds2: not really in our case
Jan 17 22:11:26 <ds2> xxiao: I am thinking apps were the 16 or 14 pin packages will do quite nicely
Jan 17 22:11:48 <xxiao> put another way we need an overkill dsp to sell higher margin
Jan 17 22:11:56 <ds2> way too much IO, if you do need that much IO, then maybe the 430's are too small for you
Jan 17 22:12:02 <xxiao> i believe human ear can't tell the difference tough
Jan 17 22:12:04 <emeb> more MHz = happier customers?
Jan 17 22:12:31 <djlewis> shiny new is good 
Jan 17 22:12:31 <xxiao> STM just confused me, what's its high-end cpu?
Jan 17 22:12:38 <emeb> sounds like audiophile marketing 
Jan 17 22:12:50 <ds2> more MHz == richer test labs ;)
Jan 17 22:13:07 <xxiao> ST-Ericsson vs ST-NXP wireless vs .ST's own cpu line
Jan 17 22:13:16 <emeb> "our processors are made with oxygen-free silicon"
Jan 17 22:13:39 <ds2> emeb: so they must be bipolar processors ;
Jan 17 22:13:40 <ds2> )
Jan 17 22:13:57 <emeb> ds2: yep - no SiO2 means no mosfets.
Jan 17 22:14:02 <xxiao> emeb: i was looking at stm32f207, it has camera interface
Jan 17 22:14:22 <djlewis> yeah, thats a good audio feature
Jan 17 22:14:24 <xxiao> but then, i could use gpio or whatever ports left to hook 8/10 data lines for camera
Jan 17 22:14:35 <emeb> xxiao: neat. I've got a product in early dev that'll use the stm32f407
Jan 17 22:15:00 <xxiao> most cheap mcu/camera are using F103, leveraging its GPIO for camera interface
Jan 17 22:15:09 <xxiao> F103 is way cheaper
Jan 17 22:15:15 <emeb> true
Jan 17 22:15:36 <emeb> but GPIO won't give you a screaming frame rate on the camera.
Jan 17 22:15:50 <xxiao> emeb: for 640x480x30fps might be ok?
Jan 17 22:16:00 <xxiao> actually 15fps is ok 
Jan 17 22:16:08 <emeb> probably work
Jan 17 22:17:53 <xxiao> i want to hack a $15 ipcam 
Jan 17 22:18:36 <xxiao> $3 for usb-wifi module, $3 for vga-module, $6 for main board, $3 for the rest
Jan 18 00:00:27 * ds2 tosses scooby snacks around
Jan 18 00:04:03 * djlewis is less aggravated with this computer now.
Jan 18 00:04:47 <Tartarus> roh-roy!
Jan 18 00:06:23 <mranostay> djlewis: did you chuck it out the window? :)
Jan 18 00:08:11 <djlewis> not mine to chuck. customer might want it working ;)
Jan 18 00:11:32 <ds2> djlewis: "Sorry madam/sir, your computer came with a self destruct virus that could not be disabled."
Jan 18 00:11:33 <ds2> :)
Jan 18 00:12:08 <djlewis> it vaporized on the workbench :)
Jan 18 00:12:46 <aholler> protected through a key
Jan 18 00:14:03 <aholler> that will be the new type of virus, get into, change bootloader-key, done, no one can remove the virus ;)
Jan 18 00:18:36 <mranostay> aholler: side project?
Jan 18 00:19:18 <aholler> i don't work in the field of drm
Jan 18 00:22:53 <aholler> but I wonder when the first virus will come, which protects himself through mechanism someone told us are there to protect us against a virus.
Jan 18 00:29:39 <mranostay> skynet?
Jan 18 00:33:19 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 18 01:10:22 <dfsmith> Hi.  Does anyone here know why the Control_Module memory area appears read-only on the Beaglebone?  (I note that the kernel does an ioremap() there, and hangs on: does that do strange cache things?)
Jan 18 01:18:49 <smp4488> how would i go about changing the boot video param from hdmi to usb?
Jan 18 01:22:11 <smp4488> "omapfb.mode=usb" ?
Jan 18 01:24:18 <aholler> video over usb?
Jan 18 01:26:30 <mru> aholler: with enough force you might be able to squeeze an hdmi plug into a usb socket
Jan 18 01:26:58 <aholler> some people achieved that with firewire ;)
Jan 18 01:27:18 <smp4488> i have a usb monitor with a displaylink controller
Jan 18 01:27:28 <smp4488> i did find this http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/arm/OMAP/DSS
Jan 18 01:27:43 <aholler> dss can't talk with displaylink
Jan 18 01:27:56 <aholler> use a displaylink-driver
Jan 18 01:28:49 <aholler> the kernel contains such a driver
Jan 18 01:29:04 <smp4488> i have the touchscreen working, but im gettting a green screen. hdmi loads fine
Jan 18 01:29:30 <smp4488> so the driver is loaded, i jest need to set the usb monitor as the default somehow
Jan 18 01:29:46 <aholler> in your xorg.conf
Jan 18 01:30:16 <aholler> just use a framebuffer-driver
Jan 18 01:30:29 <smp4488> will that enable the framebuffer on boot though?
Jan 18 01:30:57 <aholler> read about fbcon
Jan 18 01:31:28 <smp4488> saw that somewhere, going to look
Jan 18 01:33:12 <aholler> sorry, wrong time, my beagle is offline, as I am. otherwise I could have a look ;)
Jan 18 01:36:24 <aholler> but there are some tutorials foruisng displaylink out in the wild. every one of them (for linux) works as it isn't special for the beagleboard
Jan 18 01:45:08 <ds2> fitting a HDMI signal carrying connector into a USB socket doesn't require much force
Jan 18 01:47:36 <aholler> I think I've read that there is now a usb-standard for video.
Jan 18 01:49:00 <aholler> will just need some years until it reaches endusers ;)
Jan 18 01:52:31 <aholler> or everything (including trojans and viruses) will use thunderbold until then ;)
Jan 18 01:56:47 <ds2> look at the sizes of the microUSB and the microHDMI connectors
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Jan 18 03:14:09 <jvcleave> hello. Is the easiest way to set a DNS for a Beaglebone to edit /etc/resolv.conf ?
Jan 18 03:51:36 <rlmccormick> On the OE website they show a "supplementary package" for debian of apr.  Does anyone know what this is? I can't seem to apt-get it
Jan 18 03:51:54 <rlmccormick> i also don;t know if it even matters
Jan 18 05:50:27 <Bibi_> PWM = pulse width modulation? anyone a ref to more documentation on this?
Jan 18 05:56:35 <_av500_> Bibi_: google maybe?
Jan 18 05:56:47 <jay6981> wikipedia is usually ok too
Jan 18 05:57:29 <_av500_> well, not today :)
Jan 18 05:58:01 <jay6981> they haven't blacked out here yet
Jan 18 06:03:30 <jay6981> it's supposed to not work right?
Jan 18 06:04:47 <_av500_> only in the us
Jan 18 06:04:52 <Bibi_> yeah I know, hoped for some more keywords or a good link
Jan 18 06:05:04 <jay6981> odd.. i'm in the US and it still seems to work
Jan 18 06:11:50 <Russ> Bibi_, pulse width modulation powers something with a certain amount of average power by modifying the duration and spacing of digital pulses
Jan 18 06:12:04 <Russ> turn an led on and off a bunch of times and it appears dim
Jan 18 06:13:23 <Russ> Bibi_, also, if you turn off wikimedia.org scripting, and block the sopa overlay, wikipedia works
Jan 18 06:13:44 <_av500_> Russ: you are a strike breaker, this will be reported!
Jan 18 06:13:46 <Russ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PWM,_3-level.svg
Jan 18 06:13:51 <Russ> can you see that?
Jan 18 06:13:58 <Russ> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/PWM%2C_3-level.svg or this?
Jan 18 06:15:04 <jay6981> oh, that's why it works for me… noscript
Jan 18 06:21:36 <Russ> ya, all the extra wikipedia stuff always bugs me, I love the abp element hiding rule
Jan 18 06:21:47 <Russ> er, tool
Jan 18 06:32:13 <Bibi_> Russ, tnx!
Jan 18 06:32:18 <Bibi_> bye
Jan 18 07:56:54 <av500> I threw out all of the SOAP in protest, family not happy
Jan 18 07:58:00 <aholler_> soap?
Jan 18 07:58:16 <tomba> I don't see why we would need SOAP. the romans did just fine without.
Jan 18 07:58:58 <av500> aholler_: dontcha read the interwebs, SOAP is evil!
Jan 18 07:59:47 <av500> I like how engadget does it, they only show black products today....
Jan 18 08:00:11 <aholler_> ah, us-stuff
Jan 18 08:00:40 <aholler_> terror
Jan 18 08:00:56 <aholler_> everywhere
Jan 18 08:02:13 <aholler_> maybe a law from the islam would help, cut hands 
Jan 18 08:03:24 <tomba> yes, I agree. the government should be allowed to cut people's hands if they suspect the individual to be pirating.
Jan 18 08:03:25 <av500> they prefer to cut wires
Jan 18 08:03:39 <aholler_> sorry for beeing cynical, not my week
Jan 18 08:03:52 <av500> tomba: useless, people can still click with their noses
Jan 18 08:04:47 <tomba> yes, nosy people are a problem too
Jan 18 08:11:31 <aholler_> hmm, need $125,000 for my next tablet
Jan 18 08:11:50 <aholler_> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/17/hp_hawks_monster_multi_touch_display/
Jan 18 08:12:35 <reisei> aholler_: I thought it includes car or something
Jan 18 08:13:03 <aholler_> no arm => usable ;)
Jan 18 08:14:33 <aholler_> just be sure nobody stands aside when you switch the desktop ;)
Jan 18 08:17:20 <reisei> we can use it instead of white boards! 
Jan 18 08:17:28 <Russ> I think one of my friends might be involved in SOAP somehow
Jan 18 08:18:10 <ggreer> aholler_: put it on the floor and play twister
Jan 18 08:18:12 <Russ> I think there might he's working on other bills too, somethiTTP and stuff
Jan 18 08:18:32 <Russ> er, something about MEP, XML, HTTP, and stuff
Jan 18 08:19:01 <aholler_> did he look monthy pthons ritter
Jan 18 08:19:24 <aholler_> uups, monthy pythons knight
Jan 18 08:19:45 <aholler_> without arms and legs ;)
Jan 18 08:20:36 <aholler_> could be an idea, as cutting hands doesn't work ;)
Jan 18 08:20:49 <Russ> No, but then he started about parsing his "yaml" and I told him look, what you do in your own home is your own business
Jan 18 08:48:29 <aholler_> I had to learn json recently. must be hip somewhere to invent new formats
Jan 18 08:49:49 <aholler_> at least yaml knows comments ;)
Jan 18 08:50:10 <av500> I met json kridner once
Jan 18 08:51:00 <aholler_> a man without comments ;)
Jan 18 10:16:03 <koen> sakoman_: we're talking about sgx stuff and 35xx now, send your complaints to kridner :)
Jan 18 10:16:29 <av500> 35xx? is that a new chip?
Jan 18 10:24:16 <koen> av500: it must be, TI says it doesn't know about it
Jan 18 10:25:47 <reisei> koen: do you know why in later SGX where is no driver for omap44xx?
Jan 18 10:26:03 <av500> maybe that one also does not exist?
Jan 18 10:26:19 <av500> 4430 at least does not
Jan 18 10:27:06 <reisei> av500: also as 4460... but why?!
Jan 18 10:27:31 <reisei> I need RAW sgx driver T__T
Jan 18 10:31:23 <reisei> av500: what was that? :)
Jan 18 10:31:47 <av500> got temporarily instable
Jan 18 12:52:51 <glooser> hello? anyone around?
Jan 18 12:56:13 <av500> no, we are on SOAP strike
Jan 18 12:59:16 <glooser> to bad :(
Jan 18 13:00:05 <glooser> my beagleboard won't boot angstrom
Jan 18 13:00:12 <av500> but if you disable javascript, we might be there
Jan 18 13:04:28 <glooser> no idea where to do that
Jan 18 13:05:12 <av500> that was a joke wrt SOAP
Jan 18 13:05:34 <glooser> SOAP
Jan 18 13:05:41 <glooser> still confused
Jan 18 13:06:24 <av500> glooser: there is a simple but yet effective trick to get help on IRC: ask a question
Jan 18 13:06:52 <glooser> sry, i'm new to ask for help on irc
Jan 18 13:06:59 <av500> just ask
Jan 18 13:07:38 <glooser> i followed the elinux beginners guide
Jan 18 13:08:21 <glooser> download everything, formatted my sd card, copied files (in the order toled), extracted the tarballs
Jan 18 13:08:40 <glooser> set bootargs and bootcmd
Jan 18 13:08:49 <glooser> restarted my board, and it won't work
Jan 18 13:09:08 <av500> you have a serail connection?
Jan 18 13:09:11 <av500> serial
Jan 18 13:09:12 <glooser> yes
Jan 18 13:09:18 <av500> what board?
Jan 18 13:09:46 <glooser> beagleboard rev C4
Jan 18 13:10:25 <av500> revC have a high chance of getting the serial wrong
Jan 18 13:10:26 <glooser> i have an output in my serial com but it only shows
Jan 18 13:10:31 <av500> ah
Jan 18 13:10:36 <av500> good
Jan 18 13:10:38 <glooser> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.2 (Feb 19 2009 - 12:01:24)
Jan 18 13:10:39 <glooser> Reading boot sector
Jan 18 13:10:39 <glooser> Loading u-boot.bin from mmc
Jan 18 13:10:47 <av500> pastebin.com
Jan 18 13:10:50 <glooser> and then is stuck there
Jan 18 13:11:19 <glooser> ah ok
Jan 18 13:11:49 <glooser> but anyway those 3 lines is everything i get
Jan 18 13:13:07 <glooser> do i need a display connected to the dvi-d?
Jan 18 13:13:12 <av500> no
Jan 18 13:17:36 <glooser> no i got this
Jan 18 13:17:36 <glooser> http://pastebin.com/YAErWY8M
Jan 18 13:18:10 <av500> good
Jan 18 13:18:13 <av500> so it boots
Jan 18 13:18:22 <glooser> yes but its stuck aat the end
Jan 18 13:18:57 <av500> ah, that's easy, you glare at koen 
Jan 18 13:19:26 <glooser> what?
Jan 18 13:19:38 <av500> but it looks to me like your kernel and you userspace do not match
Jan 18 13:20:25 <glooser> anyway to resolve that problem?
Jan 18 13:20:48 <av500> yes, use kernel and matching userspace aka rootfs
Jan 18 13:21:53 <glooser> so the script i used to format my sd card was wrong?
Jan 18 13:22:09 <av500> that is not what I said
Jan 18 13:22:18 <glooser> then i dont understand
Jan 18 13:32:06 <glooser> how can i get a matching kernel and userspace?
Jan 18 13:33:08 <av500> where did you get yours from?
Jan 18 13:33:27 <glooser> my what?
Jan 18 13:33:49 <av500> kernel and userspace
Jan 18 13:34:42 <glooser> Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2011.1-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 -> thats my user space?
Jan 18 13:51:31 <hitlin37> what is a FX2 device in USB testing scenario?
Jan 18 13:51:53 <hitlin37> is it some kind of testing device?
Jan 18 13:53:08 <av500> http://www.keil.com/dd/chip/3205.htm
Jan 18 13:53:26 <av500> thats the FX2 I know
Jan 18 13:56:24 <hitlin37> so..this keil board can be connected to any embedded board or PC....and when running code on embedded board..it will give some kind of response to commands...this is what i understood
Jan 18 13:56:50 <av500> the FX2 is a usb device chip
Jan 18 13:57:02 <av500> an 8051 with usb phy and fifos
Jan 18 13:57:27 <av500> we used that in the past to add usb2 device to SOCs that did not have USB
Jan 18 13:57:34 <hitlin37> oh
Jan 18 13:58:34 <av500> e.g. the AV500 has such a chip inside :)
Jan 18 13:59:47 <hitlin37> hmmm.....i think something like this can be used to test a usb functionality on any board....say a bb connected to it.there's a testusb program...which looks for FX2 kind of device connected ...to test read/write speed and all
Jan 18 13:59:53 <hitlin37> :)
Jan 18 14:00:15 <av500> where?
Jan 18 14:00:29 <av500> I guess the FX was popular 5ys ago for doing usb stuff
Jan 18 14:00:32 <av500> FX2
Jan 18 14:01:20 <hitlin37> http://www.linux-usb.org/usbtest/
Jan 18 14:02:35 <av500> and it even mentions "Cypress EZ-USB"
Jan 18 14:02:35 <hitlin37> basically,i want to do something like this:echo "test packet" > /sys/kernel/debug/testmode
Jan 18 14:02:40 <hitlin37> yup
Jan 18 14:02:44 <hitlin37> i saw it
Jan 18 14:03:20 <av500> the real fun is the Net2280EVB card
Jan 18 14:03:29 <av500> that makes a PC a usb device
Jan 18 14:07:25 <hitlin37> i played a lot with a usb board.....i'm not able to recall the name....some uk based....they had a good IDE with all the usb to ethernet developemt type of thing.
Jan 18 14:10:09 <hitlin37> this one.....http://uk.farnell.com/cyan/devkit1x-usb-ethernet/kit-evaluation-usb-enet/dp/1630913
Jan 18 14:27:44 <av500> hitlin37: that ecog CPU seems obsolete?
Jan 18 14:29:36 <hitlin37> yes...it was in 2009....
Jan 18 14:30:40 <hitlin37> 16-bit one....they stopped selling this board after recession.
Jan 18 14:35:19 <glooser> can someone tell me whats the userspace and whats the kernel?
Jan 18 14:36:03 <av500> userspace = root filesystem
Jan 18 14:37:38 <glooser> so thats the Angstrom image i downloaded?
Jan 18 14:41:01 <av500> we dont know what you downloaded
Jan 18 14:41:17 <glooser> Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2011.1-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
Jan 18 14:41:50 <glooser> it says rootfs in its name so i figure
Jan 18 14:42:27 <av500> yes
Jan 18 14:44:26 <glooser> and the uImage file is usaly the kernel?
Jan 18 14:45:32 <av500> yes
Jan 18 14:45:45 <av500> but the mismatch was just a guess
Jan 18 14:46:15 <av500> but since so did not state what you downloaded from where, there is no way to tell
Jan 18 14:46:20 <av500> since so far
Jan 18 14:46:54 <glooser> i downloaded from the baegleboard angstrom mirror @ http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beagleboard/index.html
Jan 18 14:48:23 <av500> glooser: you downloaded what from there?
Jan 18 14:49:40 <glooser> Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2011.1-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2, MLO, modules-3.0.17+-r115a-beagleboard.tgz, u-boot-beagleboard-2011.12-r2.img and uImage-3.0.17-r115a-beagleboard-20120113135318.bin 
Jan 18 14:50:02 <glooser> and I renamed u-boot* -> u-boot.img and uImage-* -> uimage
Jan 18 14:50:06 <glooser> *uImage
Jan 18 14:51:43 <glooser> and i forgot, mkcard.txt to format the sd card
Jan 18 14:52:07 <av500> I would say that -ipk-2011.1-beagleboard.rootfs does not go well with a kernel that says beagleboard-201201
Jan 18 14:52:29 <av500> there is like 12 month between these 2
Jan 18 14:53:07 <av500> not that I defend the mess on that download page
Jan 18 14:53:21 <av500> glooser: try  Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 
Jan 18 14:54:13 <glooser> gonne try that, thx
Jan 18 14:55:41 <glooser> the image is only 12MB, is that correct?
Jan 18 14:56:35 <av500> hmm
Jan 18 14:56:40 <av500> koen: ^^^ 
Jan 18 14:56:43 <av500> koen: wake up
Jan 18 14:57:05 <av500> glooser: there is also Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz 
Jan 18 14:58:12 <glooser> i will try both
Jan 18 15:12:20 <glooser> sweet it works
Jan 18 15:12:24 <glooser> thx :)
Jan 18 15:12:57 <av500> with which user space?
Jan 18 15:13:10 <glooser> Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 
Jan 18 15:13:55 <glooser> gonne try the otherone tomorrow
Jan 18 15:14:25 * koen wishes he had customers that can actually parse text
Jan 18 15:16:05 <jsabeaudry> glooser: You cannot download the MLO and u-boot from there
Jan 18 15:16:11 <jsabeaudry> glooser: It's not working
Jan 18 15:16:29 <glooser> because?
Jan 18 15:16:51 <glooser> i'm quite sure i did, and its working
Jan 18 15:17:05 <jsabeaudry> glooser: Because the mirror is screwed up, open the MLO file you downloaded to see it's content
Jan 18 15:17:31 <jsabeaudry> glooser: Get the MLO and u-boot.img from here instead : http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Jan 18 15:18:04 <av500> jsabeaudry: I strongly suspect he boots from NAND on the C4
Jan 18 15:18:23 <av500> U-Boot 2009.11-rc1-00601-g3aa4b51 (Jan 05 2010 - 20:56:38)
Jan 18 15:18:29 <jsabeaudry> av500: Oops my bad, I only read part of the conversation :)
Jan 18 15:19:12 <glooser> so i dont even need the MLO and u-boot files when i boot from nand?
Jan 18 15:19:16 <jsabeaudry> av500: But the MLO from the beagleboard mirror he linked is still bad
Jan 18 15:19:28 <av500> jsabeaudry: mightbe
Jan 18 15:19:43 <av500> I think it more bad that all these files are spread out all over the internet
Jan 18 15:19:52 <glooser> jsabeaudry: what happens when i use it? my bb boots and i would even say boots fine
Jan 18 15:19:53 <jsabeaudry> av500: Any idea who is the maintainer for that mirror?
Jan 18 15:20:06 <av500> jkridner i guess
Jan 18 15:20:28 <jkridner___> yeah, i maintain the angstrom mirror.
Jan 18 15:20:32 <av500> I dont understand why these files cannot be on beagleboard.org
Jan 18 15:20:36 <glooser> but i will replace the MLO file
Jan 18 15:20:40 <av500> and why that cannot be the only place
Jan 18 15:20:47 <jsabeaudry> glooser: You can boot with this MLO?! http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beagleboard/MLO
Jan 18 15:20:55 <glooser> yes
Jan 18 15:21:11 <jsabeaudry> glooser: It's just a text file containing the name of another file when I get it
Jan 18 15:21:17 <av500> jsabeaudry: as I said, I suspect he boots from NAND
Jan 18 15:21:38 <jsabeaudry> av500: Most probably indeed
Jan 18 15:22:18 <jsabeaudry> jkridner___: All the files that are symlinks in the angstrom site are broken on the beagleboard.org mirror
Jan 18 15:22:20 <glooser> jsabeaudry: ah well no, i saw the text and got the MLO-beagleboard-2011.12 
Jan 18 15:23:39 <glooser> jsabeaudry: i had to use that mirror, speed on the angstrom site was very low
Jan 18 15:24:18 <jsabeaudry> glooser: Ah good, cause I've been wget'ing the files and took me a while to figure out that I wasn't getting what I was supposed to :)
Jan 18 15:33:27 <wmat> Crofton|work: http://meld.org/blog/spotlight/philip-balister
Jan 18 15:34:31 <Crofton|work> rofl
Jan 18 15:34:38 <Crofton|work> I'd forgot about that :)
Jan 18 15:34:58 <wmat> heehee
Jan 18 16:09:04 <bonebone> hello, i'm still trying to work a lcd on a beaglebone, is the dss2 support integrated in the stock kernel of beaglebone? I only see dss
Jan 18 16:09:29 <bonebone> is the name of the module omapdss or omapdss2?
Jan 18 16:10:07 <bonebone> i always have the message omapfb omapfb: no displays
Jan 18 16:17:52 <av500> bonebone: the bone has no dss
Jan 18 16:18:00 <av500> neither dss1, nor dss2
Jan 18 16:19:56 <bonebone> av500: so what i need to drive the lcd lines?
Jan 18 16:20:18 <bonebone> i need to make a kernel driver myself?
Jan 18 16:20:32 <av500> I suspect there is one, but its not called dss for sure
Jan 18 16:21:27 <bonebone> root@beaglebone:/# cat /proc/fb 
Jan 18 16:21:28 <bonebone> 0 DA8xx FB Drv
Jan 18 16:21:48 <bonebone> and do you know what this da8xx is?
Jan 18 16:22:12 <av500> I assume its some TI part that has the same LCD driver as the bone cpu
Jan 18 16:22:52 <bonebone> i have attached a lcd to the bone but nothing displays even noise
Jan 18 16:23:42 <bonebone> i suppose there must be a kernel module available, i think that ti sells a board with the am3359 and a lcd attached
Jan 18 16:23:44 <av500> yes, but what lcd?
Jan 18 16:23:53 <av500> and what lcd did you attach?
Jan 18 16:24:13 <bonebone> a 7 inch lcd crystalclear with vsync/hsync/den
Jan 18 16:24:24 <av500> data sheet?
Jan 18 16:24:38 <av500> and you verifed that such an lcd is supported by the LCD controller?
Jan 18 16:24:53 <bonebone> no, this lcd is a sample
Jan 18 16:25:25 <bonebone> but i thought it was a solution of changing timings
Jan 18 16:26:06 <bonebone> now i see it's going to be much more difficult if dss is not there
Jan 18 16:26:57 <av500> this has got nothing to do with DSS or not
Jan 18 16:27:05 <av500> the bone cpu has an LCD controller block
Jan 18 16:27:13 <av500> and you LCD has to work with this block
Jan 18 16:27:24 <av500> connecting a random LCD might not work
Jan 18 16:28:04 <bonebone> but, the interface is similar in all lcd's, don't they? rgb and vsync/hsync/den
Jan 18 16:28:25 <jay6981> there's some polarity crap, how many data lines, etc
Jan 18 16:29:43 <bonebone> but what is the linux driver that drives the lcd controller block of am3359?
Jan 18 16:29:55 <LetoThe2nd> different numbers/kinds of control signals ;)
Jan 18 16:29:56 <bonebone> i need to start with something
Jan 18 16:30:04 <panto> hi ram_dam 
Jan 18 16:30:08 <av500> well, DA8xx is a good start
Jan 18 16:30:13 <av500> grep is your friend
Jan 18 16:30:24 <jay6981> CPU TRM?
Jan 18 16:30:35 <jay6981> er SoC TRM
Jan 18 16:30:40 <bonebone> ok, so modifying da8xx kernel module i can drive my lcd?
Jan 18 16:30:43 <LetoThe2nd> av500: he, from where do you know Gerhard 'grep' Westenheimer?
Jan 18 16:31:00 * emeb believes in hooking random hardware together and hoping for a miracle. 
Jan 18 16:31:08 <ram_dam> hi panto, so it seems everything went well :-)
Jan 18 16:31:20 <jay6981> that miracle would sure save you some effort :)
Jan 18 16:31:21 <panto> ram_dam, yes
Jan 18 16:31:44 <emeb> jay6981: that's the way it works in the movies!
Jan 18 16:32:06 <jay6981> don't forget to make it beep every time the console scrolls to a new line :)
Jan 18 16:32:19 <emeb> and periodically shout "We're In!"
Jan 18 16:32:45 * av500 hacks into the mainframe
Jan 18 16:32:58 <LetoThe2nd> av500: the gibson?
Jan 18 16:33:24 <jay6981> av500: psst… the password is 'joshua'
Jan 18 16:33:26 * emeb wonders why his LCD monitor makes TTY noises.
Jan 18 16:34:14 <bonebone> is there any lcd working kernel modules to look at with beaglebone, it must not be too different of what i need
Jan 18 16:35:14 <emeb> bonebone: look at this - http://boardzoo.com/product_info.php?products_id=86&osCsid=3aaa16da306452f22f9017a2f917c30c
Jan 18 16:35:22 <bonebone> thx emeb
Jan 18 16:35:24 <emeb> might give you some ideas
Jan 18 16:36:36 <av500> linux/include/video/da8xx-fb.h:2: * Header file for TI DA8XX LCD controller platform data.
Jan 18 16:36:39 <bonebone> mmm, my lcd doesn't have dvi, it has rgb interface
Jan 18 16:37:48 <av500> linux/drivers/video/Makefile:158:obj-$(CONFIG_FB_DA8XX)                 += da8xx-fb.o
Jan 18 16:38:08 <av500> bonebone: of course, but the DVI cape has a chip that takes RGB and makes DVI out of it
Jan 18 16:38:32 <emeb> bonebone: to use the LCD interface lines you'll probably need to modify the kernel to enable those pins.
Jan 18 16:38:50 <emeb> Chances are good that interface is disabled in the default kernel.
Jan 18 16:39:44 * emeb was hoping the DVI cape pages would have info on software changes.
Jan 18 16:39:57 * emeb was hoping in vain.
Jan 18 16:40:35 <bonebone> ahap, i'm going to inspect the kernel, thx guys, i will post here my progressions
Jan 18 16:42:44 <av500> bonebone: linux/drivers/video/da8xx-fb.c
Jan 18 16:42:52 <av500> there are some panels defined there already
Jan 18 16:44:46 <woglinde_> hi av500
Jan 18 16:48:35 <bonebone> av500: yes, i see there are 4 panels defined, the TFC_S9700RTWV35TR_01B has the same resolution as mine, :) thx 
Jan 18 16:48:55 <av500> resolution is easy, how it is connected is the hard part
Jan 18 16:49:37 <emeb> OMG! cuteoverload.com is offline today.
Jan 18 16:50:02 <woglinde_> SOPA for the win
Jan 18 16:51:56 <koen> emeb: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/tree/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp-3.1/0003-ARM-OMAP2-beaglebone-add-DVI-support-needs-cleanup.patch
Jan 18 16:52:38 <emeb> bonebone: ^^^^
Jan 18 16:53:02 <emeb> koen: any news on audio support for the beaglebone?
Jan 18 16:53:15 <emeb> I hacked on that for a while w/o success. Will try again soon.
Jan 18 16:54:35 <koen> emeb: nope
Jan 18 16:54:46 <emeb> koen: bummer. 
Jan 18 16:54:48 <woglinde_> so lets fix my java stuff a bit
Jan 18 16:54:58 * emeb is frustrated with ALSA SoC
Jan 18 16:56:07 <woglinde_> emeb why?
Jan 18 16:57:26 <emeb> woglinde: Turning on devices is mysterious - very little feedback from ALSA on what's going on.
Jan 18 16:57:51 <Mojito> I'd settle to WiFi+Bluetooth on the BeagleBone, and get at audio that way
Jan 18 16:58:00 <av500> koen: 1024x768@60 is WVGA?
Jan 18 16:58:09 <woglinde> wiki knows
Jan 18 16:58:35 <jay6981> W is for the wide modes (16:10), no? 
Jan 18 16:59:19 <av500> yes, but VGA is still 640x480
Jan 18 16:59:25 <av500> so WVGA is 800x480
Jan 18 16:59:31 <emeb> woglinde: which wiki?
Jan 18 16:59:32 <jay6981> 1024x768 is 'XGA'
Jan 18 16:59:41 <av500> jay6981: I know
Jan 18 16:59:55 <av500> but koens lcd driver uses "1024x768@60" and WVGA
Jan 18 17:00:05 <woglinde> emeb the SOPA wiki
Jan 18 17:00:40 <av500> woglinde: SOPA con pollo?
Jan 18 17:01:21 <emeb> sopapilla
Jan 18 17:01:46 <woglinde> hm oh
Jan 18 17:01:59 <woglinde> I thought wikipedia wanted to go down too
Jan 18 17:03:29 <jay6981> wikipedia is still up. they just did a javascript block… noscript ftw
Jan 18 17:03:46 <av500> or m.wikipedia
Jan 18 17:03:54 <woglinde> lol
Jan 18 17:03:59 <woglinde> thats stupid
Jan 18 17:04:22 <av500> no
Jan 18 17:04:22 <jay6981> it gets the point across to the unsophisticated i suppose
Jan 18 17:04:40 <av500> woglinde: fun: https://twitter.com/#!/herpderpedia
Jan 18 17:04:48 <woglinde> ieekks twitter
Jan 18 17:04:52 <woglinde> I avoid it
Jan 18 17:05:21 <av500> sure
Jan 18 17:05:30 <av500> but stupid ppl dont
Jan 18 17:05:39 <av500> and they get the soap effect
Jan 18 17:10:50 <bonebone> av500: hablas espanyol?
Jan 18 17:11:08 <av500> una cerveza mas por favor
Jan 18 17:11:16 <bonebone> jaja
Jan 18 17:11:37 <emeb> donde esta el bano?
Jan 18 17:11:46 <av500> I can do a passable mock spanish
Jan 18 17:12:01 <bonebone> you read spanish for dummies eh?
Jan 18 17:12:13 <emeb> aye caramba - el candelabra muy peligrosa.
Jan 18 17:12:16 <av500> no, I extrapolate from french
Jan 18 17:12:49 <emeb> lo siento, tu tienes un numero equivocado.
Jan 18 17:13:20 <av500> yes, I like avocado!
Jan 18 17:13:36 <bonebone> que te den por culo
Jan 18 17:13:43 <jsabeaudry> oye gringo!
Jan 18 17:13:56 * emeb contemplates the equivalence of errors and avocados.
Jan 18 17:14:24 <emeb> I don't que what you call your pasa.
Jan 18 17:16:20 <ogra_> yummy, pasta !
Jan 18 17:17:49 <emeb> I think we've established that many words in spanish sound like food.
Jan 18 17:18:00 <ogra_> :)
Jan 18 17:18:25 <av500> main usage of spanish for non-spanish people is to order food
Jan 18 17:18:31 <av500> so it makes sense
Jan 18 17:21:46 * emeb wonders what german sounds like to non-german speakers...
Jan 18 17:22:14 <av500> like blitzkrig!
Jan 18 17:22:18 <av500> +e
Jan 18 17:22:20 <av500> like blitzkrieg!
Jan 18 17:22:26 <Russ> I'll take 2!
Jan 18 17:22:40 <emeb> that sounds like food too.
Jan 18 17:22:56 <jay6981> dutch is the most frustrating for me to listen to
Jan 18 17:23:03 <jay6981> sounds like a very disabled person trying to speak english or something
Jan 18 17:23:15 <jack5> Somehow I have managed to get my beagle into a state where it spits out garbage over the serial port like this "

40W



40W
"
Jan 18 17:23:22 <jack5> can someone help?
Jan 18 17:23:27 <emeb> heh - with a big plegmwad in their throat. 
Jan 18 17:23:32 <jay6981> yes
Jan 18 17:23:53 <jay6981> jack5: you broke the bootloader somehow
Jan 18 17:24:08 <Mojito> Wrong terminal baudrate?
Jan 18 17:24:17 <jack5> hmm...any tips on how to fix this...I should mention this is at boot...
Jan 18 17:25:00 <jack5> Mojito: baud is default which worked before i.e. E -    Bps/Par/Bits       : 115200 8N1 
Jan 18 17:26:45 <jack5> I was actually running android earlier and then tried switch to Angstrom when this happened...its frustrating :(
Jan 18 17:29:05 <jack5> jay6981: do you mean the bootloader in the nand flash is broken? if so how can I fix it?
Jan 18 17:32:11 <jay6981> jack5: google searching helps here….. http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleNANDFlashing
Jan 18 17:40:15 <jack5> jay6981: Thanks..Thats what I was looking for...if you please I have a follow up question which comes from my lack of understanding here...isnt uboot the bootloader?
Jan 18 17:41:17 <jay6981> jack5: there's two parts to the "bootloader", stage1 is MLO, stage2 is uboot
Jan 18 17:41:26 <jay6981> MLO aka x-load
Jan 18 17:42:01 <jack5> then why do we need another bootloader in the nand flash?
Jan 18 17:42:38 <woglinde> jay6981 you forgot the part which loads x-load
Jan 18 17:42:58 <woglinde> jack5 btw. you dont need nand at all
Jan 18 17:42:59 <jay6981> well yes… the stage0 soc mask rom
Jan 18 17:43:01 <woglinde> boot from sdcard
Jan 18 17:43:22 <jay6981> jack5: i'm not sure about that. i'm familiar with working on a board without nand. i boot off the MMC/SD entirely
Jan 18 17:43:56 <woglinde> nand is so early 2000
Jan 18 17:43:57 <jay6981> beagle can probably boot off MMC if your card is setup right
Jan 18 17:43:59 * woglinde runs
Jan 18 17:44:11 <prpplague> hehe
Jan 18 17:45:12 <woglinde> till later
Jan 18 17:45:52 <jack5> Yes I was always booting from Sd card for the last year, the problem happened when I started seeing garbage on the serial terminal and my sd card was not working...
Jan 18 17:46:16 <jay6981> jack5: so maybe something messed around with the partition table or boot partiion of that SD card
Jan 18 17:46:26 <jay6981> if things aren't "just right" it won't work
Jan 18 17:47:28 <jack5> jay6981 are you saying that even if my sd card setup is perfect then irrespective of the state of the nand flash the board will boot from sd card? 
Jan 18 17:47:28 <jay6981> but you may have been using a bootloader in nand and not knowing it. i'm not familiar with your skill level
Jan 18 17:47:46 <jay6981> jack5: yes, that is my understanding.
Jan 18 17:48:29 <jay6981> jack5: it fact that you get those characters on the serial says to me that the boot rom failed to boot off every source it knows and is now trying to boot from UART
Jan 18 17:49:30 <jack5> jay6981: thanks. that helps...do I, through bootargs, need to tell the beagleboard about my boot preferences?
Jan 18 17:49:45 <jay6981> yes, but that is a function of u-boot and you're not even getting u-boot up
Jan 18 17:50:20 <jay6981> jack5: your board is missing a stage1 "MLO" somehow
Jan 18 17:51:11 <jack5> ok, I will try to setup my sd card properly, give it another try and come back with results...it will not be before tonight...I did load MLO from the angstrom image ..I also made sure I loaded the MLO first before uboot and uImage...I guess I will format the sd card once again and do the whole run.
Jan 18 17:51:43 <jay6981> jack5: don't forget to check that the #1 FAT partition is marked "active" and/or "bootable"
Jan 18 17:52:36 <jay6981> jack5: good luck
Jan 18 17:58:26 <bonebone> is the ti's linux kernel of am3358/9 more developed than the angstrom-distribution one for beaglebone?
Jan 18 18:00:00 <jay6981> bonebone: i'd like to know the answer to that myself
Jan 18 18:03:36 <Rickey> hi
Jan 18 18:03:56 <Rickey> i need some help on BB ubuntu 
Jan 18 18:04:02 <bonebone> jay6981: but the ti people is mantaining the beaglebone angstrom distribution too, arent they?
Jan 18 18:04:14 <bonebone> it's not clear to me
Jan 18 18:04:43 <jay6981> bonebone: i'd like to know as well
Jan 18 18:04:56 <jay6981> i'm just as confused
Jan 18 18:06:13 <Tartarus> Well, what do you mean by maintaining?
Jan 18 18:06:30 <Tartarus> Koen is employed by TI, and does a lot of work on Angstrom :)
Jan 18 18:07:48 <jay6981> Tartarus: how does stuff eventually end up in the vanilla kernel source? is there a diagram of the "stream"?
Jan 18 18:07:58 <jay6981> (specifically the arm branch)
Jan 18 18:08:17 <Tartarus> jay6981: There is not a diagram, but there are folks working on upstreaming features to both the kernel and u-boot
Jan 18 18:08:19 <bonebone> mmm, i want to know if there is anything missing in angstrom that exists in ti-sdk-am335x-evm-05.03.01.00
Jan 18 18:08:27 <Tartarus> If you checkout linux-omap you'll see some stuff being posted
Jan 18 18:08:37 <Tartarus> bonebone: There is not
Jan 18 18:08:49 <Tartarus> Angstrom uses the TI kernel and then some patches on top for various features they want
Jan 18 18:09:18 <jay6981> Tartarus:  linux-omap where? do you have a link?
Jan 18 18:09:34 <Tartarus> jay6981: The linux-omap ML
Jan 18 18:09:42 <Tartarus> Hit up google or gmane :)
Jan 18 18:09:55 <jay6981> Tartarus:  thx
Jan 18 18:10:04 <Tartarus> But you can't do much/anything with vanilla kernel on bone
Jan 18 18:10:08 <bonebone> thx tartarus
Jan 18 18:10:15 <Tartarus> Next u-boot release will at least boot on bone
Jan 18 18:10:18 <jay6981> it's often difficult to figure out the canonical sources of stuff for us newbies :)
Jan 18 18:10:20 <Tartarus> But not at 720MHz, just 500
Jan 18 18:10:50 <mru> from canonical you'll only get ubuntu...
Jan 18 18:11:03 <Tartarus> hi-o!
Jan 18 18:11:10 <jay6981> i didn't use a capital C 
Jan 18 18:11:18 <bonebone> at least if i have to hack the da8xx-fb.c file, i want it to be the latest and greatest :D
Jan 18 18:11:51 <Tartarus> bonebone: Depends on what you mean there
Jan 18 18:12:05 <Tartarus> Upstream efforts will take a while to have all the functionality the TI stuff does
Jan 18 18:13:02 <rickey> I have installed ubuntu-desktop on my BB
Jan 18 18:13:06 <rickey> its running too slow
Jan 18 18:13:26 <bonebone> i want to put a lcd screen in the bone, so i didn't know if i had to touch angstrom kernel or ti's kernel
Jan 18 18:13:36 <Tartarus> rickey: Do you have it plugged into the wall for power?  Or just USB
Jan 18 18:14:40 <rickey> wall power
Jan 18 18:14:53 <rickey> its running fine.. but too slow
Jan 18 18:15:25 <rickey> kswapd0 is taking too much cpu
Jan 18 18:15:26 <rickey> :/
Jan 18 18:15:46 <Tartarus> Right, I was asking since USB only gives you 500MHz
Jan 18 18:15:48 <Tartarus> Wall gives you 720
Jan 18 18:15:53 <Mojito> Isn't Ubuntu kinda bloated for a BBone?
Jan 18 18:16:08 <jsabeaudry_> rickey: Have you tried running without swap?
Jan 18 18:16:10 <rickey> I am having BB rev c3
Jan 18 18:16:17 <rickey> how to run it without swap?
Jan 18 18:16:19 <Tartarus> rickey: Recompile the kernel, turn off swap support?
Jan 18 18:16:40 <rickey> ok
Jan 18 18:16:41 <jsabeaudry_> rickey: swap on a class 4 microsd card has got to be super slow
Jan 18 18:16:55 <Tartarus> What jsabeaudry_ said too
Jan 18 18:17:03 <rickey> yeah I am having class 4 microSD
Jan 18 18:17:14 <rickey> should i upgrade ?
Jan 18 18:17:21 <Tartarus> No, just don't swap
Jan 18 18:17:34 <Tartarus> Don't add a swap partition
Jan 18 18:17:41 <Tartarus> And disable support in the kernel too
Jan 18 18:17:53 <jsabeaudry_> rickey: You should upgrade and also not have swap, the upgrade will reduce your boot time
Jan 18 18:18:59 <rickey> i mention that i am using BB rev C3
Jan 18 18:19:05 <jay6981> bonebone: well tartarus told us that angstrom kernel is based off TI, plus patches
Jan 18 18:19:08 <rickey> is it capable of ubuntu-desktop?
Jan 18 18:19:18 <jay6981> bonebone: so you have to make a decision as to what you want to start from
Jan 18 18:19:48 <Tartarus> rickey: You'll have to decide for yourself, but start by doing a swapoff on the swap partition
Jan 18 18:20:11 <rickey> i dont have swap partition on SD
Jan 18 19:11:02 <djlewis> gm :)
Jan 18 19:12:19 <woglinde> hi djlewis
Jan 18 19:12:22 <woglinde> pizza again?
Jan 18 19:12:45 <djlewis> yesterday.. today i brought my lunch
Jan 18 19:32:22 <djlewis> i got it wrong yesterday, its stm32 Discovery, not launchpad which is msp430 TI
Jan 18 20:06:32 <djlewis> ds2: here is your small version:
Jan 18 20:06:33 <djlewis> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM8SVLDISCOVERY/?qs=x4mIqYqgIIcjKIKQb8UZhQ%3d%3d
Jan 18 20:09:55 <jay6981> so is this where angstrom gets kernel? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap.git;a=summary
Jan 18 20:10:11 <woglinde> look at the recipe
Jan 18 20:13:48 <Tartarus> jay6981: What woglinde said, and no, it's on the arago-project git server
Jan 18 20:14:02 <Tartarus> That is the main linux-omap tree
Jan 18 20:14:21 <Tartarus> But as I was saying earlier, there's lots of work to get am33xx (beaglebone) support into shape for that
Jan 18 20:14:55 <jay6981> so arago-project/linux-omap will eventually end up in kernel.org linux-omap?
Jan 18 20:15:15 <denix> ideally :)
Jan 18 20:15:59 <denix> super-ideally is even in torvalds main kernel :)
Jan 18 20:16:29 <jay6981> nice… makes more sense to me now
Jan 18 20:23:18 <piezo> what is arago now? can someone make it clear a little bit, linaro (using now for panda?), linus main kernel and now arago
Jan 18 20:24:14 <denix> http://arago-project.org
Jan 18 20:25:14 <piezo> all people say they are dedicated to somewhat... now a new thing appeared, openembedded...whats their role
Jan 18 20:25:52 <Tartarus> openembedded is older than linaro I think :)
Jan 18 20:26:53 <piezo> main thing for me is to have a working kernel, all other should be my decision...which is have...but what are they trying to do
Jan 18 20:26:54 <denix> much older
Jan 18 20:28:01 <piezo> cant find any kernel on arago project (source)
Jan 18 20:28:45 <denix> http://arago-project.org/git/projects/
Jan 18 20:30:12 <piezo> 2.6.37?
Jan 18 20:31:32 <piezo> no 3.x.x kernel around
Jan 18 20:31:32 <piezo> ?
Jan 18 20:31:52 <Tartarus> for beaglebone?  There's 3.something
Jan 18 20:32:13 <Tartarus> http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=summary
Jan 18 20:32:18 <denix> 335 is on 3.1 kernel
Jan 18 20:32:26 <Tartarus> again, see the kernel recipe in angstrom, that's what it uses iirc
Jan 18 20:33:11 <piezo> whats bb-xm?
Jan 18 20:33:13 <piezo> denix
Jan 18 20:33:20 <denix> beagleboard-xm
Jan 18 20:33:49 <denix> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
Jan 18 20:33:50 <jay6981> that's omap35xx 
Jan 18 20:34:05 <piezo> denix: is this a 335? i just wanted to ask, sorry... got panda-es and bb-xm for a day and im learning and penetrating a lot of people atm :D
Jan 18 20:34:19 <denix> BeagleBone is 335
Jan 18 20:34:45 <piezo> and bb-xm just omap3?
Jan 18 20:35:04 <piezo> "just", i mean the repo
Jan 18 20:35:15 <denix> btw, arago is not about kernels, it's about linux distro/SDK, where kernel is just a small part :)
Jan 18 20:35:50 <denix> piezo: majority of bb-xm kernel support is already upstream, so you don't need linux-omap3 from arago
Jan 18 20:36:15 <piezo> ah okay, its in linus's kernel? i dont see to have full cpu speed for example
Jan 18 20:36:22 <denix> several people already said, check the recipe to see which kernel it uses
Jan 18 20:36:31 <piezo> (i dont use angstrom)
Jan 18 20:36:40 <piezo> armhf is in favour
Jan 18 20:38:37 <denix> for 1GHz support on bb-xm you need a separate patch anyway
Jan 18 20:38:40 <denix> http://arago-project.org/git/?p=arago.git;a=tree;f=recipes/linux/linux-3.0/beagle;hb=HEAD
Jan 18 20:39:06 <denix> all that is also available in angstrom, of course
Jan 18 20:44:57 <piezo> okay, i got these patches from robertcnelson already (its in his stable-kernel script)
Jan 18 20:59:47 <movi> anyone here running gentoo on the beagleboard ?
Jan 18 21:01:10 * dm8tbr has a space-heater instead
Jan 18 21:02:08 <movi> very funny. actually i'm crosscompiling a gentoo system to a beagleboard. however i'm having problems with python
Jan 18 21:02:55 <movi> i have a nice wrapper for emerge for cross-compiling to arm, thanks to crossdev. however when compiling python, it selects my x86_64 compiler, and i don't know why :/
Jan 18 21:03:01 <movi> every other package behaves
Jan 18 21:05:49 <djlewis> be careful of snakes, they can't be trusted ;)
Jan 18 21:22:02 <aholler> movi: sure
Jan 18 21:22:51 <ds2> ka6sox: ready for the weekend?
Jan 18 21:24:39 <movi> aholler : nvrmnd, got it to work :)
Jan 18 21:25:08 <ka6sox> ds2, I hope!
Jan 18 21:25:12 <ka6sox> you gonna make it down?
Jan 18 21:28:09 <ds2> ka6sox: no. :( I am about eyeball deepin stuff. too many things too early this year 
Jan 18 21:28:41 <Russ> where are we going?
Jan 18 21:28:50 <ka6sox> socallinuxexpo.org
Jan 18 21:29:14 <ka6sox> ds2, okay let me catch up with you during or after SCaLE...we should talk :D
Jan 18 21:29:28 <Russ> bummer, I'll be in LA the weekend *after* that
Jan 18 21:29:54 <Russ> and anyway, this weekend is http://www.azwags4wishes.com/
Jan 18 21:30:41 <ds2> ka6sox: after is probally best. (this is also Lunar New Years weekend so traffic could be nuts)
Jan 18 21:31:19 <ka6sox> of course....several folks I would normally see have obligations :D
Jan 18 21:32:43 <ds2> wanted to get away for the weekend but things are just not lining up :(
Jan 18 21:32:45 <jsabeaudry_> Is it normal that lsmod only lists one module loaded (ipv6) on the beaglebone systemd image? I would have expected to have a bunch of stuff in there such as drivers, etc.
Jan 18 21:35:57 <Tartarus> jsabeaudry_: more stuff compiled in, iirc
Jan 18 21:36:21 <mru> if you get far enough to run lsmod, your kernel is clearly good
Jan 18 21:41:13 <jsabeaudry_> Tartarus: Ok, interesting, I guess that is done to reduce boot time, is that correct?
Jan 18 21:44:07 <mru> or for simplicity
Jan 18 21:44:23 <_av500_> or for becauseIcouldness
Jan 18 21:44:39 <mru> building essential drivers as modules is pointless
Jan 18 21:45:41 <_av500_> ah right
Jan 18 21:45:47 <_av500_> i read just systemd :)
Jan 18 22:17:36 <jsabeaudry_> Do many people that recompile their bb kernel themselves use OpenEmbedded?
Jan 18 22:18:19 <jsabeaudry_> A wiki page on eLinux.org suggest that it can be tricky
Jan 18 22:19:23 <ds2> it is trivial
Jan 18 22:23:29 <djlewis> jsabeaudry_: someone made comments recently on some minor changes to OE setup
Jan 18 22:24:42 <ka6sox> jsabeaudry_, if you follow the directions you can quite easily
Jan 18 22:25:25 <woglinde> and ask the pro's
Jan 18 22:25:51 <xxiao> anyone knows cc3300 from ti
Jan 18 22:26:24 <xxiao> how much is it...if it's low-power enough we can get rid of zigbee all together
Jan 18 22:41:43 <mouser58907> When I try to connect to GateOne on my beagle bone it says I'm being redirected in a way that will not stop.
Jan 18 22:48:10 <mouser58907> I'm using https://192.168.7.2
Jan 18 22:48:19 <mouser58907> and I can access cloudnine fine
Jan 18 23:10:35 <mouser> I'm back
Jan 18 23:20:15 <djlewis> mouser: you didnt miss anything. .
Jan 18 23:22:49 <thurbad> mouser: what's 192.168.7.2... looks like a local ip address
Jan 18 23:23:05 <mouser> well, i'm able to ssh using putty, so that is good enough
Jan 18 23:23:15 <mouser> it's the beaglebone's IP
Jan 18 23:23:22 <thurbad> ah, 'k
Jan 18 23:27:21 <mouser> Does Angstrom have a change log? There was a new release it looks like, and I'm trying to decide if it is worth upgrading
Jan 18 23:30:56 <ds2> git?
Jan 18 23:31:05 <ds2> prehaps -- git log --oneline
Jan 18 23:31:09 <emeb> git along little dogies?
Jan 18 23:32:58 <ds2> hey emeb, what do you think about emitter followers as a "amp" for PWM out?
Jan 18 23:33:19 <emeb> ds2: seems OK to me. Kinda depends on what the load is.
Jan 18 23:34:08 <ds2> 32ohm, inductive (mini spkr)
Jan 18 23:35:05 <emeb> ds2: just looking to make a noise, or actually trying for reasonable audio fidelity?
Jan 18 23:35:24 <ds2> trying to have some semblence of fidelity
Jan 18 23:35:37 <ds2> Spice suggests it will work electrically
Jan 18 23:36:11 <ds2> better then a collector load arrangement which makes sense given the low Z
Jan 18 23:37:08 <emeb> ds2: about the only issue I'd see is that the speaker will see a strong DC component. Not sure how the voicecoil/PM reacts to that.
Jan 18 23:37:42 <emeb> Normally there's a DC blocking cap in speakers, or else an H-bridge arrangement.
Jan 18 23:38:14 <emeb> I assume the PWM freq is above audible.
Jan 18 23:39:07 <ds2> yes, well above audible
Jan 18 23:39:20 <ds2> I could toss in a 10uF DC blocker
Jan 18 23:40:07 <emeb> Won't work with emitter-follower unless you've got a load resistor for DC bias of the xtr.
Jan 18 23:40:12 <ds2> spice shows it somewhat touchy on the caps
Jan 18 23:40:28 <ds2> no, it would be in series with the spkr
Jan 18 23:40:56 <emeb> hmm. I'd have to think about that. 
Jan 18 23:40:57 <ds2> the cap/spkr would parallel the emitter follower load resistor
Jan 18 23:41:06 <emeb> Yes - that's right.
Jan 18 23:42:30 <emeb> Probably worth breadboarding, but sounds generally OK.
Jan 18 23:43:57 <ds2> real breadboarding? any reason to suggest SPICE isn't good enough?
Jan 18 23:44:19 <emeb> heh - that's just me.
Jan 18 23:44:42 <emeb> Real test of something like that is what it _sounds_ like. Spice can't really tell you that.
Jan 18 23:44:56 <Russ> it can when you output to wav :)
Jan 18 23:45:45 <ds2> fair enough
Jan 18 23:45:54 <Russ> it can just take a really long time
Jan 18 23:46:04 <ds2> Russ: what spice do you use?
Jan 18 23:46:31 <Russ> ngspice
Jan 18 23:47:08 <ds2> what is the reasoning for picking that over the others?
Jan 18 23:47:32 <Russ> it "worked"
Jan 18 23:47:40 <Russ> for certain meanings of the word
Jan 18 23:47:53 <Russ> I found this too, which helps http://www.h-renrew.de/h/python_spice/spicedata.html
Jan 18 23:48:37 <ds2> does ngspice have schematic capture?
Jan 18 23:48:44 <Russ> through gschem
Jan 18 23:49:00 <Russ> its not quite what you'd call "intuitive" though
Jan 18 23:49:05 <Russ> for most meanings of the word
Jan 18 23:49:10 <emeb> I've done that before. Works ok, but I usually just write the decks by hand.
Jan 18 23:50:44 <ds2> how do they compare with the "high end" stuff like psice?
Jan 18 23:50:49 <Russ> ngspice provides handly things like dac_bridge, adc_bridge, binary logic, pwl's, etc
Jan 18 23:51:12 <Russ> ngspice isn't very friendly when it tells you that it doesn't understand what it wants
Jan 18 23:51:16 <Russ> er, what you want
Jan 18 23:51:37 <Russ> consume memory endlessly, or segfault are pretty typical responses
Jan 18 23:52:18 <ds2> sounds like things the LTspice guy was saying
Jan 18 23:52:40 <Russ> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/russell_dill/darter.html
Jan 18 23:53:56 <Russ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/31208937@N06/6068852314/
Jan 18 23:54:16 <emeb> purty!
Jan 18 23:55:15 <Russ> someone really needs to take gnucap and ngspice, splice them up, and make a verilog-ams tool
Jan 18 23:55:27 <Russ> oh, and icarus
Jan 18 23:55:33 <ds2> that'd be nice
Jan 18 23:56:14 <Russ> and using that as a smoke screen, go in and destroy vhdl while no one is watching
Jan 18 23:56:41 <ds2> more fun to have competing languages
Jan 18 23:56:53 <ds2> but isn't VHDL more 'standardized'?
Jan 18 23:57:27 <Russ> vhdl is ada like, verilog is c like
Jan 18 23:58:19 <ds2> didn't vhdl also shared some roots with ada like DoD or gov't related?
Jan 18 23:58:33 <Russ> yes
Jan 19 00:00:57 <Russ> in fact, it was a requirement for the syntax to be as similar as possible to ada
Jan 19 00:01:06 <Russ> to save money see
Jan 19 00:01:26 <Russ> because then you don't have to reinvent all these concepts that have been thought out and tested in ada
Jan 19 00:02:29 <ds2> heheh
Jan 19 00:02:46 <Russ> its funny because I see the argument used on so many DoD projects
Jan 19 00:03:55 <Russ> its sad because the reuse concepts never have any basis in engineering, so actual engineering always starts from scratch anyway
Jan 19 00:05:30 <ds2> but then you see the same argument with C++ or Java ;)
Jan 19 00:06:07 <Russ> ok, so ltspice doesn't have all the same features of ngspice, and pspice isn't free
Jan 19 00:07:09 <ds2> you seem to be looking at it on a chip level?
Jan 19 00:08:07 <Russ> well, simulating buffers and transmission lines. d2a and a2d stuff is important for stimulation and measurement
Jan 19 00:08:20 <Russ> eg, a chip that clocks out data in response to an input clock signal
Jan 19 00:09:10 <ds2> different goals. I just want to do a quick check of analog circuits on a board level
Jan 19 00:10:29 <Russ> ltspice is probably a pretty good way to go then
Jan 19 00:11:04 <ds2> always looking for something better
Jan 19 00:16:39 <ka6sox> Russ, both Verilog and VHDL work well...and code reuse @ the level of either is a Myth.
Jan 19 00:17:02 <ka6sox> unless its a matlab algo that has been run thru the creator.
Jan 19 00:17:27 <Russ> I just don't understand why anyone would choose VHDL if they were starting on a blank slate
Jan 19 00:17:52 <Russ> I know it works, and there isn't anything you can't do with it
Jan 19 00:17:59 <Russ> just so much extra typing and formalism
Jan 19 00:20:49 <Crofton|work> verilog is a west coast langauge, vhdl east coast
Jan 19 00:20:56 <Crofton|work> that is how it was explained to me
Jan 19 00:25:16 <Russ> end process some_process_name;
Jan 19 00:25:20 <Russ> gah, shoot me now
Jan 19 00:27:19 <Russ> hooray asu
Jan 19 00:27:23 <Russ> "The ASURITE system may have been compromised."
Jan 19 00:28:02 <Russ> "see emergencyinfo.asu.edu for updates"...."Site off-line | Drupal"
Jan 19 00:29:48 <ds2> hahah
Jan 19 01:05:45 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 19 01:41:23 <mranostay> Russ: someone's head is going to roll :)
Jan 19 01:43:10 <mranostay> panto: hey california dude
Jan 19 01:43:20 <panto> hi mranostay 
Jan 19 01:43:38 <panto> you'll be one of those pretty soon 
Jan 19 01:43:46 <panto> maybe you should take up surfing too
Jan 19 01:43:59 <panto> learn to use expressions like 'tubular' 
Jan 19 01:44:04 <panto> you know, blend in
Jan 19 01:44:15 <mranostay> oh god
Jan 19 01:46:02 <panto> don't fight it
Jan 19 01:46:05 <panto> you know you want to
Jan 19 01:53:40 <mdp> mranostay, I have to thank you for helping to depopulate this area…the lack of people is what makes it nice here :)
Jan 19 01:53:52 <mranostay> cute
Jan 19 01:55:09 <mdp> mranostay, I keep thinking of that cleveland tourism video on youtube :)
Jan 19 01:56:14 <mdp> panto, you working thurs and fri while in SD?
Jan 19 01:56:24 <mdp> er, CA
Jan 19 01:56:45 <mranostay> cleveland has tourism?
Jan 19 01:56:48 <panto> mdp, I will work a little bit yes
Jan 19 01:56:58 <mdp> mranostay, you'll remember it when you see it
Jan 19 01:57:07 <mdp> panto, bah
Jan 19 01:57:19 <mranostay> mdp: btw people ask me if i've been to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Jan 19 01:57:27 <mranostay> 24 years in Ohio never went once :)
Jan 19 01:57:28 <mdp> panto, I'll call my buddy and have him take you out on the sub :)
Jan 19 01:57:34 <panto> hehe
Jan 19 01:57:39 <panto> who's your buddy?
Jan 19 01:57:57 <mdp> just a friend that's a sonar instructor at the base there
Jan 19 01:58:27 <panto> I'd love to, but I'm just too beat up 
Jan 19 01:58:33 <mdp> :)
Jan 19 01:58:40 <mranostay> panto: god you are old :)
Jan 19 01:58:50 * panto 's internal clock is now somewhere in the middle of the atlantic 
Jan 19 01:58:57 <mdp> he could teach you the chinese contact signatures…then kill you
Jan 19 01:59:48 <mdp> panto, wuss…how many times did I fly in to .fr, cab to that building and walk into an all day meeting…man up
Jan 19 02:00:33 <panto> mdp, hehe, actually why not
Jan 19 02:00:34 <mdp> you pretty much just to ride a scooter up from .gr :)
Jan 19 02:00:38 <panto> give him a call 
Jan 19 02:00:56 <panto> we can hang out nearby 
Jan 19 02:01:06 <panto> in the naval base :)
Jan 19 02:01:16 <mdp> nice
Jan 19 02:01:37 <panto> hehe, a buddy of mine just did a sonar project too 
Jan 19 02:01:38 <mdp> he's near retirement now with them..off-base..the good life..getting ready to go into private industry
Jan 19 02:02:11 <mdp> not bad for a guy that realized a little too late he had to actually go to some engr classes at the uni else you flunk out :)
Jan 19 02:02:53 <mdp> panto, really? that's cool, interesting stuff
Jan 19 02:03:12 <panto> they mostly did integration
Jan 19 02:03:25 <mdp> ahh, well, it's just like OSS then :)
Jan 19 02:03:28 <panto> and to be frank I don't think that their methodology/technology was that sound 
Jan 19 02:03:36 <mdp> "everything is done, you just integrate to have a product!"
Jan 19 02:03:37 <mdp> lol
Jan 19 02:03:40 <panto> but yeah, they got paid :)
Jan 19 02:03:46 <mdp> yeah :)
Jan 19 02:03:54 <panto> did you get the pun? :)
Jan 19 02:04:07 <mdp> heh
Jan 19 02:05:56 <mdp> mranostay, I'm sure you saw this before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
Jan 19 02:06:27 <mranostay> heh
Jan 19 02:07:18 <mdp> I like the subtle choice of using a typical gray overcast day to film :)
Jan 19 02:07:33 <ds2> mdp: so he will be the focus of the new Hunt For Red October II film? ;)
Jan 19 02:07:45 <mdp> ds2, right :) technical advisor :)
Jan 19 02:09:34 <mdp> so back on topic...
Jan 19 02:10:22 <mdp> I'm sitting here wishing there was a breakout board for a female FDC connector..could take this spi lcd off of a POS customer board and hook to the bone
Jan 19 02:11:00 * mdp wants for the days of mega sized IDC connectors and big 'ol ribbon cables
Jan 19 02:11:07 * mdp becomes misty-eyed
Jan 19 02:13:11 <mdp> *sigh*
Jan 19 02:13:15 <ds2> FDC?
Jan 19 02:13:16 <mdp> s/FDC/FPC :)
Jan 19 02:13:26 <ds2> fpc's are easy
Jan 19 02:13:29 <ds2> what pitch?
Jan 19 02:14:25 <mdp> very fine pitched..I don't have the mechanicals drawing to identify this one available
Jan 19 02:14:35 <ds2> 0.000000001um?
Jan 19 02:14:36 <ds2> :D
Jan 19 02:14:50 <ds2> some folks call 0.050" fine pitched
Jan 19 02:17:13 <mdp> hehe
Jan 19 02:17:32 <mdp> probably "only" .4mm or so
Jan 19 02:17:49 <ds2> that isn't horrible...got a microscope? 
Jan 19 02:17:56 <ds2> 0.5mm is a common size 
Jan 19 02:19:22 <mdp> yeah, I do…I've considered just taking another socket and wiring that up…but, tbh, being a bit lazy and trying to work around these board limitations atm
Jan 19 02:40:14 <panto> s
Jan 19 02:45:08 <mranostay> panto: ah?
Jan 19 02:47:14 <panto> wrong window typing 
Jan 19 02:47:25 <mranostay> irc skills are the first to go
Jan 19 02:55:02 <mdp> mranostay, do anything with the geiger tube yet or are you too excited about your short-timer status?
Jan 19 02:55:30 <mranostay> well i need to have an address to ship stuff too :)
Jan 19 02:55:41 <mranostay> and with my luck it would be backordered :)
Jan 19 02:55:54 <mdp> ahh, yes
Jan 19 02:56:07 <mranostay> also need to get a real soldering station
Jan 19 02:56:33 <mranostay> my $20 Radio Hack pencil irons can only do so much
Jan 19 02:57:14 <mdp> I've been real happy with my hakko unit versus the weller ones..even though I always used high-end weller stations back when I did more of that
Jan 19 02:58:16 <mranostay> anyone know if OpenOCD support for the bone is any further along?
Jan 19 02:58:20 <mdp> yeah, it's problematic to do many things when you don't properly control the heat or a selection of tips
Jan 19 02:59:18 <mranostay> yeah the one in the office is nice
Jan 19 02:59:23 <mranostay> only $150 iirc
Jan 19 02:59:30 <mranostay> don't remember the brand
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Jan 19 03:01:07 <mdp> $85 for the hakko 888
Jan 19 03:01:34 <mranostay> i assume i can pick that up a Fry's anywhere? :)
Jan 19 03:01:44 <mdp> yeah, but frys is more expensive
Jan 19 03:01:56 <mranostay> ok i can window shop there :)
Jan 19 03:02:32 <mdp> I happened by it at both the phx/tempe one and the palo alto frys and noticed it was 10-20% more than amazon
Jan 19 03:02:59 <mdp> apparently when I travel I somehow stop in frys to relive the good 'ol days :)
Jan 19 03:05:38 <mdp> mranostay, by the time you make your move the republic of ca will probably be directly collecting "use tax" anyway :P
Jan 19 03:05:51 <mranostay> ah crap forgot about that :)
Jan 19 05:53:18 <jvcleave> I have a decent configuration on the Beaglebone going - what is the best way to back it up to an image?
Jan 19 05:54:02 <_av500_> dd
Jan 19 05:54:35 <jvcleave> over a network or can it run locally?
Jan 19 05:55:42 <jvcleave> nm - can just use a card reader - duh
Jan 19 05:56:24 <aholler_> tar
Jan 19 06:02:08 <photex> hi folks, new beaglebone owner. I haven't used angstrom or any embedded linux for that matter. Is the documentation about service control on the beagle site or the angstrom site?
Jan 19 06:02:29 <photex> my usual /sbin/service and /sbin/chkconfig combo are not available :)
Jan 19 06:04:42 <photex> I'm having a hard time finding information on some of the basics. Or perhaps I'm just going about it from the wrong point of view
Jan 19 06:05:14 <jay6981> photex: angstrom uses something called systemd. i am otherwise unfamiliar. 
Jan 19 06:05:33 <photex> thanks jay6981 that will help 
Jan 19 06:07:53 <photex> wow, systemd looks great actually! LEARNING GET :)
Jan 19 06:08:02 <jvcleave> phototex - I am trying the armhf Debian where it appears service is available http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#armhf_Demo_Image
Jan 19 06:19:02 <_av500_> armVHF ftw
Jan 19 06:19:32 <SirDerigo> hello people! just got a beagleboard and, i am trying to install debian to it
Jan 19 06:20:33 <SirDerigo> the installation script dies in running rcn-omap
Jan 19 06:20:35 <SirDerigo> (freezes)
Jan 19 07:24:24 <jasonli> Hi, I have a problem with my beagleboard-xm. The board keeps having problem to boot up usb0 and eth0. May I know if there is any way to solve this issue or to test if the USB port is working properly? Thanks! :) 
Jan 19 07:30:06 <jasonli> Hi, I have a problem with my beagleboard-xm. The board keeps having problem to boot up usb0 and eth0. May I know if there is any way to solve this issue or to test if the USB port is working properly? Thanks! :) if anyone of you know the answer, please kindly email to jason__job@hotmail.com. Thank you! 
Jan 19 07:31:44 <hitlin37> jasonli..the usb ports works fine on bb-xm
Jan 19 07:32:03 <hitlin37> what problem are you facing on your end?
Jan 19 07:33:16 <jasonli> all the USB devices that I connect to the board is not powered
Jan 19 07:33:24 <jasonli> inclusive of my ethernet cable.. 
Jan 19 07:34:06 <jasonli> The board is able to boot up as per normal
Jan 19 07:34:27 <jasonli> however, the USB port seems to have problem booting up my USB devices and ethernet 
Jan 19 07:34:39 <jasonli> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.5.0 (Jun 14 2011 - 22:04:07)                        Beagle xM                                                                        Reading boot sector                                                              Loading u-boot.bin from mmc                                                                                                                                                                        
Jan 19 07:35:10 <jasonli> sorry, tried to copy and paste the log here but it doesn't look as what it is supposed to be. 
Jan 19 07:36:48 <hitlin37> for logs,use pastebin
Jan 19 07:38:07 <hitlin37> You can also use  a powered USB hub
Jan 19 07:38:13 <jasonli> http://pastebin.com/TMAmAZ0C
Jan 19 07:39:08 <jasonli> Hope you can spend some time looking through the log. Thanks! 
Jan 19 07:40:45 <av500> jasonli: 1) your logs are truncated
Jan 19 07:41:37 <av500> 2) there was a change in how the usb hub is powered, I guess your kernel might be from before that change 
Jan 19 07:43:03 <jasonli> oic
Jan 19 07:43:22 <jasonli> if thats the case, may i know where can I get a newer version of the kernel/
Jan 19 07:44:05 <jasonli> to verify, my logs are not truncated as thats the exact thing that is shown on my terminal.. :) 
Jan 19 07:45:22 <hitlin37> older kernel works fine with a externally powered usb hub connected to bb-xm
Jan 19 07:45:31 <av500> jasonli: yes, your terminal truncates the logs then
Jan 19 07:45:39 <av500> hitlin37: nope
Jan 19 07:45:57 <av500> hitlin37: some XM revision changed the hub power polarity or so
Jan 19 07:46:04 <av500> or started to use it
Jan 19 07:46:06 <jasonli> hmm, so based on your expertise, what would you suggest me to do? :) 
Jan 19 07:46:16 <av500> 2.6.32 seems old
Jan 19 07:46:24 <hitlin37> hmmm
Jan 19 07:47:36 <jasonli> so may I know what is the latest version?
Jan 19 07:51:13 <jasonli> hello? :) 
Jan 19 07:51:40 <av500> something 3.x based I guess
Jan 19 07:51:57 <hitlin37> is there a good doc for understanding musb?
Jan 19 07:52:09 <av500> hitlin37: yes, but its secret
Jan 19 07:52:29 <jasonli> thanks! I will go and look for newer kernel version. :) 
Jan 19 07:55:12 <tasslehoff> av500: I just want to point out that I am still at 2.6.39. to repair my reputation ;)
Jan 19 07:55:53 <aholler_> so someone could kill your kernel over the network
Jan 19 07:57:57 <av500> tasslehoff: Linux (none) 2.6.29-omap1 #43 PREEMPT Mon May 9 11:51:21 CEST 2011 armv7l unknown
Jan 19 08:01:48 <tasslehoff> av500: heh. you've probably never been called a kernel chaser then, unless you chased your way to 2.6.29 back in the days
Jan 19 08:02:11 <av500> tasslehoff: given that I coined the term here, probably not :)
Jan 19 08:05:04 <tasslehoff> av500: ah, so I'm maybe the only one with the title? now I almost feel a responsibility to chase on :)
Jan 19 08:09:22 <av500> tasslehoff: you are far from the only one
Jan 19 08:09:27 <av500> *from being
Jan 19 08:12:49 <tasslehoff> av500: then I'll stay at .39 and struggle more with power management instead.
Jan 19 08:13:11 <av500> a worthy struggle!
Jan 19 08:30:54 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 19 09:54:31 <hitlin37> http://planet.linaro.org/
Jan 19 09:54:34 <hitlin37> ARMv7 compatibility, with a slight twist of replacing NEON extensions with iWMMX extensions
Jan 19 09:54:44 <hitlin37> this looks first of its kind
Jan 19 09:55:42 <av500> marvell has been touting wmmx for years
Jan 19 09:56:15 <av500> and other boards are unbrickable too
Jan 19 09:58:30 <hitlin37> hmm.....ARMv7 with wmmx.....this already exists?
Jan 19 09:59:02 <snowrichard> put in about a 1 hr call to my isp for problems connecting to www.angstrom-distribution.org 
Jan 19 09:59:55 <snowrichard> i keep getting connection reset while page is loading when i try to hit it with the browser
Jan 19 10:00:07 <av500> yes, the page is slow
Jan 19 10:00:14 <av500> its hosted on some warez site I have been told
Jan 19 10:00:55 <snowrichard> wonder if they could put up a mirror on amazon or something
Jan 19 10:01:22 <snowrichard> i would like to use the distro but if i can never update package list its useless
Jan 19 10:01:38 <av500> yes, there is a mirror, but that has other issues
Jan 19 10:01:46 <av500> like broken symlinks
Jan 19 10:03:11 <snowrichard> well if my isp can fix my modem at least i could get my email without connection reset message lol
Jan 19 10:04:31 <hitlin37> the page also says "Unbrickable for Developers (**)"..even if bootloader is completly wiped out.nice.
Jan 19 10:05:21 <av500> hitlin37: yes, and?
Jan 19 10:06:49 <hitlin37> old for you,new for me.
Jan 19 10:08:45 <av500> I mean, other SoC had that for years
Jan 19 10:11:10 <hitlin37> hmmm
Jan 19 10:13:12 <hitlin37> i thought one can't run mmx intrinsics on arm.may be it's common.
Jan 19 10:13:52 <hitlin37> actually ,i used mmx on x86 only.
Jan 19 10:14:49 <snowrichard> get tired after an hour of listening to some person telling me reboot the router, connect pc directly to modem, boot windows just to run ping lol
Jan 19 10:16:26 <snowrichard> and after all that we'll get back to you in two days
Jan 19 10:27:01 * koen wonders why people keep repeating the myth that the main angstrom package repository lives on www.angstrom-distribution.org 
Jan 19 10:27:21 <koen> it lives on feeds.angstrom-distribution.org which has bandwidth to spare
Jan 19 10:28:48 <ant_work> koen: too many outdated links appear googling for 'angstrom linux'
Jan 19 10:30:11 <av500> koen: so why dont you switch www.angstrom-distribution.org  to that server too?
Jan 19 10:30:27 <ant_work> "Current production Angstrom release is 2007.12"
Jan 19 10:30:39 <av500> sounds about right
Jan 19 10:48:53 <ka6sox> koen, is www on Emerald?
Jan 19 10:49:52 <ka6sox> dig says not...
Jan 19 11:00:47 <koen> ka6sox: www -> ltg, feeds -> emearald
Jan 19 11:04:58 <ka6sox> koen, thats good...we will be moving feeds to milla as we go forward, it has better thruput.
Jan 19 12:51:44 <bonebone> hi
Jan 19 12:54:05 <mru> lo
Jan 19 12:56:14 <bonebone> mmm...i compile the kernel with bitbake -c compile -f virtual/kernel and the vmlinux is created, how do i make the zImage from bitbake?
Jan 19 13:05:07 <bonebone> another doubt i have with beagle, when i have the new kernel in uImage, if i overwrite it the sd card, will the u-boot find it, or do i have to hack anything in uboot
Jan 19 13:05:15 <bonebone> beaglebone
Jan 19 13:07:25 <koen> doubt or question?
Jan 19 13:25:20 <bonebone> koen: question if anyone answers, jeje
Jan 19 13:30:01 <bonebone> koen: questions i have a lot, this is one for you, i modified board-am335xevm.c, removed the initiation of dvi and added the initiation of lcd, but looking at the kernel source of ti i saw that they have defined a clock that is not in angstrom, the line is this  
Jan 19 13:30:06 <bonebone> clock33xx_data.c:       CLK("da8xx_lcdc.0",     "lcdc_ick",     &lcdc_ick,      CK_AM33XX),
Jan 19 13:31:45 <bonebone> i thought the kernel were the same
Jan 19 13:44:36 <ofog> i can't seem to be able to change the resolution to 800x600
Jan 19 14:07:56 <bonebone> mmm..i missed the devshell part of bitbake, this is what i needed
Jan 19 15:10:25 <ofog> Where does screen resolution get set  ?
Jan 19 15:14:10 <thurbad> in uboot
Jan 19 15:14:24 <thurbad> the kernel bootargs need to be set
Jan 19 15:26:55 <ofog> thaytan:  so i should at an env like "video=omapfb:mode:800x600@60" ?
Jan 19 16:19:20 <ggty> hii .. if i want to build a new kernel 3.0 for omap beagle board then do i have to create a new file system for this kernel?
Jan 19 16:21:34 <av500> no
Jan 19 16:22:21 <mru> if you need to ask that question, perhaps you shouldn't be building kernels
Jan 19 16:22:34 <mru> oh, and 3.0 isn't exactly new
Jan 19 16:24:40 <snowrichard> still got connectivity problems to angstrom-distribution sites.  If i do traceroute and get only my router and 29 lines of **** what does that mean if anything
Jan 19 16:25:20 <mru> it means you're not getting any replies from beyond your router
Jan 19 16:26:25 <av500> maybe the router is still doing SOPA blackouts....
Jan 19 16:26:30 <koen> snowrichard: I don't understand why you are trying to download packages from www.angstrom
Jan 19 16:26:32 <av500> might have missed a leap second
Jan 19 16:26:34 <snowrichard> in the firefox browser if i go to the www.angstrom-distribution.org/index.html i get either connection to server reset while page was loading, or get transferring data for a long time and no content
Jan 19 16:26:40 <koen> snowrichard: the main repo is at feeds.angstrom
Jan 19 16:26:52 <av500> snowrichard: fix your router
Jan 19 16:27:05 <snowrichard> yeah the feeds.angstrom one gives the traceroute like that
Jan 19 16:27:18 <mru> works from here
Jan 19 16:27:44 <snowrichard> i spent several hours on phone with my isp, they say they can get back to me in two days
Jan 19 16:28:17 <snowrichard> that the modem must be misconfigured
Jan 19 16:28:23 <ggty> actually i have build a kernel 3.0.17 for OMAP, previously it has 2.6 now the problem is that as soon as it mount file system it gives mtd oops
Jan 19 16:28:34 <av500> koen: you never answer my question, why dont you move angstrom.org onto some other server?
Jan 19 16:29:02 <snowrichard> i got a hosting account at site5 that i could empty out and donate
Jan 19 16:29:11 <snowrichard> seriously
Jan 19 16:29:32 <av500> and wtf is linuxtogo.org?
Jan 19 16:30:04 <snowrichard> i don't have a site on it now just a rails code demo
Jan 19 16:30:35 <av500> omg http://projects.linuxtogo.org/top/mostactive.php?type=week
Jan 19 16:30:59 <av500> what is that, archive.org clone?
Jan 19 16:33:10 <snowrichard> i'm doing an opkg install vim right now, the opkg update completed ok apparently, but the vim doesn't seem to be downloading
Jan 19 16:33:16 <mru> snowrichard: you seem to have some packet loss somewhere
Jan 19 16:33:43 <snowrichard> Installing vim (7.2.446-r10.3) to root...
Jan 19 16:33:44 <snowrichard> Downloading http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/core/ipk/eglibc/armv7a/base/vim_7.2.446-r10.3_armv7a.ipk.
Jan 19 16:34:16 <snowrichard> but its out of my control i have to wait for hughes net engineering to call me back in two days
Jan 19 16:34:34 <snowrichard> i got pings to the satellite and back ok
Jan 19 16:36:22 <snowrichard> not meaning to sound angry and complain so much but i'm paying 100 bucks a month for this internet connection and it should work lol
Jan 19 16:37:12 <av500> snowrichard: you can complain here all you want
Jan 19 16:37:24 <jsabeaudry> Anyone aware of a generic i2c sysfs driver that would simply allow to write/read values from specific addresses?
Jan 19 16:37:36 <av500> aint there one?
Jan 19 16:38:04 <av500> koen: what is "tiblt"?
Jan 19 16:38:27 <snowrichard> i switched to the satellite because my fixed wireless provider i had gozoe.com could not keep their system up at this location
Jan 19 16:38:50 <jsabeaudry> snowrichard, where are you located?
Jan 19 16:38:59 <av500> in the outback
Jan 19 16:39:00 <snowrichard> they said trees in line of site, metal roof , stuff like that
Jan 19 16:39:18 <snowrichard> marshall tx, outside of range of cable or dsl
Jan 19 16:39:45 <snowrichard> the cable line crosses our driveway but they wont run it the 500 ft or so to the trailer
Jan 19 16:40:02 <koen> av500: you dont want to know about tiblt
Jan 19 16:40:23 <av500> http://graphics.github.com/bltsville/
Jan 19 16:40:34 <av500> koen: tell me please
Jan 19 16:40:45 <snowrichard> so close and yet so far
Jan 19 16:40:53 <snowrichard> the last 1000 ft problem lol
Jan 19 16:40:58 <av500> snowrichard: marshall tx, lol
Jan 19 16:41:08 <av500> snowrichard: you are a lawyer?
Jan 19 16:41:29 <snowrichard> no i'm a schizophrenic disabled Navy veteran
Jan 19 16:41:51 <av500> why dont you ask for internet at the driveway and bridge the 500feet yourself?
Jan 19 16:42:10 <koen> av500: iirc tiblt is blitrix in C
Jan 19 16:42:36 <snowrichard> well i'd have to put some kind of structure there to house it, and get power to it, then probably an ayrstone wifi repeater
Jan 19 16:42:47 <av500> run a cable
Jan 19 16:42:51 <av500> no need for wifi
Jan 19 16:43:07 <snowrichard> cat 5 do the 500+ ft ok
Jan 19 16:43:07 <snowrichard> ?
Jan 19 16:43:36 <av500> koen: http://www.symbio.com/knowledge-center/technology-demos/blitrix-arm-neon-optimized-2d-blitting-engine/
Jan 19 16:44:05 <snowrichard> if i spent that kind of money we got two other buildings that need a decent connection too so we'd run cat5 or wifi to them too
Jan 19 16:44:22 <av500> see, shared cost
Jan 19 16:44:43 <av500> and as for your structure, get some used switching box
Jan 19 16:44:48 <snowrichard> would eliminate two 85.00 gozoe.com bills and put it all on my bill
Jan 19 16:44:58 <av500> yep
Jan 19 16:45:07 <snowrichard> they would share the monthly though
Jan 19 16:45:14 <jay6981> satellite internet sounds like torture
Jan 19 16:46:14 <snowrichard> so was the gozoe.com lol
Jan 19 16:46:17 <woglinde_> jay6981 imagine there are landscape with no umts / cdma at all
Jan 19 16:46:51 <jay6981> yeah… having to route all your packets to geosync orbit and back really sucks
Jan 19 16:47:11 <woglinde_> but works
Jan 19 16:47:16 <woglinde_> and fast enough
Jan 19 16:47:20 <woglinde_> slotted aloha
Jan 19 16:47:20 <snowrichard> i can connect fairly decently using my android phone's 3G, but there's a 4G /month cap
Jan 19 16:47:34 <jay6981> if you can tolerate 500ms+ latency
Jan 19 16:47:52 <woglinde_> you dont want to play cs in the jungle
Jan 19 16:48:05 <woglinde_> only live
Jan 19 16:48:06 <woglinde_> haha
Jan 19 16:48:16 <snowrichard> I once got a quote on a 3G setup for a lan with out a cap, it was only 149 a month
Jan 19 16:48:16 <jay6981> or make a voice call without having to say over at the end of each transmission
Jan 19 16:48:53 <av500> roger that
Jan 19 16:48:57 <woglinde_> hm never used a sattelite phone
Jan 19 16:49:11 <av500> woglinde_: never called the US in the 80s?
Jan 19 16:49:18 <av500> ah yes, you were too young :)
Jan 19 16:49:22 <woglinde_> av500 I was on the other side
Jan 19 16:49:25 <snowrichard> voip applications like paltalk.exe have annoying pauses in the audio, for video forget it
Jan 19 16:49:26 <jay6981> the dedicated sat phones (iridium) use a satellite constellation that's in low earth orbit, so the latency isn't as bad
Jan 19 16:49:58 <woglinde_> hm I wonder how long gps now will live
Jan 19 16:50:09 <snowrichard> sat com on the aircraft carrier i was on they called the bubble phone cause the sound was so bad
Jan 19 16:50:20 <woglinde_> it is past his estimated life
Jan 19 16:50:21 <snowrichard> don't know if that was because of the encryption or not
Jan 19 16:50:43 <av500> woglinde_: you mean it can black out?
Jan 19 16:51:14 <jay6981> there's a big fight right now with GPS because of a satellite broadband company called Lightsquared
Jan 19 16:51:34 <av500> I trust the US army will win that fight
Jan 19 16:51:39 <jay6981> i think so too
Jan 19 16:52:09 <av500> we dont want all the drones to hit something by accident...
Jan 19 16:52:11 <jay6981> too bad they already launched that satellite
Jan 19 16:52:17 <snowrichard> i hope the army's stuff works, my nephew is going to Afghanistan in about two months, one month stateside training first
Jan 19 16:52:37 <snowrichard> and my brother runs some of the drones in Sicily, he's with Raytheon
Jan 19 16:52:45 <woglinde_> av500 It will blackout
Jan 19 16:52:50 <woglinde_> in next 5 years or so
Jan 19 16:53:24 <av500> woglinde_: that will teach SOPA
Jan 19 16:53:32 <woglinde_> snowrichard why he does it? money?
Jan 19 16:53:33 <av500> 5ys? we need it NOW
Jan 19 16:53:45 <snowrichard> my nephew?
Jan 19 16:53:45 <woglinde_> or does he still believe there is somthing to win there
Jan 19 16:53:50 <woglinde_> snowrichard yes
Jan 19 16:53:56 <av500> I guess Raytheon pays nicely
Jan 19 16:54:05 <av500> and Sicily is a blamy place
Jan 19 16:54:09 <av500> balmy :)
Jan 19 16:54:16 <snowrichard> he can make $50K a year on deployment, here he can get about 10.00 an hour parttime
Jan 19 16:54:38 <woglinde_> there he can hm lose is life at higher chance
Jan 19 16:55:09 <snowrichard> yeah but he's decided its worth the risk, i guess he has some patriotism too
Jan 19 16:55:58 <snowrichard> i had  a head injury in the navy that could have kiled me and we were not even in combat zone at the time, we were off the coast of virginial
Jan 19 16:56:01 <snowrichard> virginia
Jan 19 16:56:43 <snowrichard> they were doing propulsion tests, flank reverse, hard right rudder, slammed my head into a metal locker
Jan 19 16:57:05 <av500> ouch
Jan 19 16:57:10 <snowrichard> that's what caused the schizophrenia
Jan 19 16:57:15 <snowrichard> 6 months in mental ward
Jan 19 16:57:24 <jay6981> have they washed their hands of you yet?
Jan 19 16:57:52 <snowrichard> well yeah they got rid of i get 100 percent VA disability payments now
Jan 19 16:58:21 <snowrichard> 2700 a month or so
Jan 19 16:58:45 <snowrichard> free medical
Jan 19 17:00:19 <snowrichard> the carrier could do over 35 knots even in reverse so it was moving when they did that little maneuver
Jan 19 17:00:30 <av500> snowrichard: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luckable-Key-ENCLOSURE-W-B-PLATE-500x400x200-20X16X8-/130507527893?pt=BI_Electrical_Equipment_Tools&hash=item1e62dad6d5
Jan 19 17:00:48 <av500> zip tie it to a lamp post :)
Jan 19 17:00:57 <snowrichard> that's the little house for the router?
Jan 19 17:01:08 <av500> and put a biohazard sticker on it ....
Jan 19 17:01:14 <av500> snowrichard: might get too hot in summer
Jan 19 17:01:31 <av500> http://www.ebay.com/sch/Boxes-Enclosures-/42886/i.html
Jan 19 17:03:45 <av500> koen: rtillery is a cool nick :)
Jan 19 17:03:48 <jsabeaudry> Why not just run a coax and put the modem/router in the trailer?
Jan 19 17:04:04 <av500> jsabeaudry: I guess the cable co does not like that
Jan 19 17:04:10 <snowrichard> cable company says it wont' work
Jan 19 17:04:15 <snowrichard> distance or something
Jan 19 17:04:39 <woglinde> hm poor kodak
Jan 19 17:05:02 <jsabeaudry> I don't know about 500 ft but I've had coax run in my house at least 100 ft
Jan 19 17:05:24 <jay6981> yeah, sad how they just watched their industry run away from them and did nothing
Jan 19 17:05:39 <jay6981> their executives clearly deserved the bonuses they got
Jan 19 17:05:41 <snowrichard> there's a local company that says they can deliver fiber to the door but they are only targeting businesses, asked about residential and they said no
Jan 19 17:05:57 <jay6981> just tell them you're a business. you get better service anyways
Jan 19 17:06:32 <snowrichard> i got a website but it doesn't make any money lol
Jan 19 17:06:52 <jay6981> don't think it matters… most businesses lose money
Jan 19 17:06:53 <snowrichard> can't even host it here on the satellite hookup
Jan 19 17:07:40 <snowrichard> then they said if the phone company dsl doesn't reach here they couldn't either
Jan 19 17:08:12 <snowrichard> i think they only way i could get a straight answer is to go talk to one of the execs instead of their phone sales
Jan 19 17:08:34 <av500> i'd ask cable co for that street side access
Jan 19 17:08:38 <jay6981> the telcos/isps clearly aren't interested in serving rural customers
Jan 19 17:09:08 <bonebone> i made a little change in the beaglebone kernel i made uImage and overwrite the kernel in the sd, now the board doesn't boot, but i didn't touch uboot, i don't understand why the ftddi usb doesn't show in the computer now
Jan 19 17:09:54 <snowrichard> i'm just barely out side the city limit, the mailbox/cable line is inside the limit, it crosses our driveway about 350 ft in
Jan 19 17:10:20 <snowrichard> so if we need police we have to call county, not city 
Jan 19 17:10:31 <mranostay> snowrichard: in your little enclave? :)
Jan 19 17:10:53 <snowrichard> we have a few acres here
Jan 19 17:11:09 <mranostay> mdp: you enjoy township life right? mainly since no city income tax :) 
Jan 19 17:11:12 <snowrichard> two homes, and a homeless shelter
Jan 19 17:11:24 <snowrichard> texas has no income tax
Jan 19 17:11:40 <snowrichard> just sales taxes
Jan 19 17:11:49 <snowrichard> and property taxes
Jan 19 17:11:57 <av500> snowrichard: so not being city, I guess you are not asked to sit as juror on patent cases? :)
Jan 19 17:12:05 <mranostay> heh
Jan 19 17:12:15 <woglinde> av500 haha
Jan 19 17:12:23 <mranostay> all those empty offices :)
Jan 19 17:12:31 <mranostay> so you can apply TX law :)
Jan 19 17:12:49 <snowrichard> well i could be called to jury duty but i can get out of it by claiming mental illness, they want you to be of "sound mind' lol
Jan 19 17:12:50 <mdp> mranostay, yes, insignificant next to my property tax though
Jan 19 17:13:03 <jsabeaudry> bonebone, you get nothing on the serial console when you boot?
Jan 19 17:13:39 * mranostay looks up mdp's property tax :)
Jan 19 17:13:42 <snowrichard> and the mental illness is well documented by the fed. gov.
Jan 19 17:14:08 <mdp> mranostay, it's "positive big" in math terms :)
Jan 19 17:14:09 <snowrichard> so i don't think they'd want me on federal court either lol\
Jan 19 17:14:51 <snowrichard> the federal district court here does a lot of big cases they call it the rocket docket
Jan 19 17:15:20 <mranostay> mdp: heh that is a nice amount of taxes :)
Jan 19 17:15:31 <mdp> snowrichard, we're fortunate here to have cable service outside of the city areas…not sure why time warner services these areas that are so spread out, but no complaints
Jan 19 17:15:38 <mranostay> i paid that in rent in ohio :)
Jan 19 17:15:50 <av500> snowrichard: yes, thats why I asked 
Jan 19 17:15:56 <mdp> mranostay, google map stalk me too!!!
Jan 19 17:15:57 <snowrichard> i must say rent is inexpensive here
Jan 19 17:16:09 <snowrichard> i'm paying what is considered fair and its 450 a month
Jan 19 17:16:38 <mranostay> snowrichard: i remember those days :)
Jan 19 17:16:47 <snowrichard> if you want to see the trailer and how far it is from the road google earth 2608 elysian fields ave marshal tx
Jan 19 17:16:57 <snowrichard> marshall
Jan 19 17:17:02 <mranostay> sure why not
Jan 19 17:17:07 * mranostay puts on short timer hat
Jan 19 17:17:28 <jay6981> i didn't know they had trees in texas
Jan 19 17:17:36 <jay6981> TIL
Jan 19 17:17:44 <snowrichard> we are in the middle of the piney woods
Jan 19 17:17:45 <woglinde> lol
Jan 19 17:17:57 <snowrichard> west texas is the flat land with no vegetation
Jan 19 17:18:12 <mranostay> jay6981: reddit that
Jan 19 17:18:15 <jay6981> yeah, i've only been to el paso
Jan 19 17:18:26 <mranostay> yeah that is a bit of a distance
Jan 19 17:18:39 <jay6981> probably been to dallas airport a few times
Jan 19 17:18:41 <snowrichard> west texas has an 85 mph speed limit on the interstate to lol
Jan 19 17:18:44 <jay6981> they didn't seem to have many trees there
Jan 19 17:19:31 <mdp> mranostay, the other building I put up kinda bumped up the taxes too
Jan 19 17:20:02 <woglinde> hm the airport is rather big
Jan 19 17:20:11 <mranostay> mdp: small price to pay for a compound i guess :)
Jan 19 17:20:21 <mranostay> how much did the watchtower add? :P
Jan 19 17:20:25 <mdp> lol
Jan 19 17:20:40 <snowrichard> near the airport is Six Flags over texas, the parking lots are bigger than the actual park
Jan 19 17:21:24 <mdp> mranostay, only thing missing is a road warrior gate made from an old school bus
Jan 19 17:21:32 <jay6981> at disneyland they turned the parking lot into an entire new park
Jan 19 17:23:19 <snowrichard> i wrote my first program in Fortran IV on an IBM 360 mainframe.  the first computer i owned was a KIM-1 board, 1.1K ram, cassette tape i/o, tty interface
Jan 19 17:23:33 <snowrichard> back mid 70's
Jan 19 17:23:46 <jay6981> nice. we were talking about KIM-1's the other day
Jan 19 17:24:19 <snowrichard> i sold an assembler program to wozniak and jobs
Jan 19 17:24:48 <snowrichard> they decided not to used it for whatever reason, i asked woz about it via email recently his memory was not too clear on it
Jan 19 17:24:51 <jay6981> i figured woz for the type who would write his own assembler
Jan 19 17:25:14 <snowrichard> he said he wrote the apple II roms in hex, without an assembler
Jan 19 17:25:34 <snowrichard> but they used someones assembler to generate the listing for the manual
Jan 19 17:25:38 <jay6981> and debugged them on paper because he couldn't afford CPU time on the mainframe that ran the 6502 sim
Jan 19 17:25:53 <snowrichard> probably so
Jan 19 17:26:13 <snowrichard> some timesharing outfit had the 6502 development stuff but they charged by the minute
Jan 19 17:27:45 <snowrichard> our company was called microsoftware specialists, inc you can still find a few documents online that had our address in commerce tx in it
Jan 19 17:28:09 <snowrichard> i was 17 yrs old when we did that assembler
Jan 19 17:30:00 <mdp> I was a vic-20 baby…right at the beginning of the home computer wave
Jan 19 17:30:14 <mdp> miss that 5K of ram and cassette tape now
Jan 19 17:30:43 * av500 looks at the VIC20 in his office
Jan 19 17:30:53 <snowrichard> i can say one thing for those old systems they were small enough one person could understand what was going on 
Jan 19 17:31:03 <snowrichard> the arm7a reference is 2500+ pages lol
Jan 19 17:31:12 <jay6981> my parents bought a ti-994/a but I lusted after my friends' C64
Jan 19 17:31:13 <mdp> av500, certain things I feel bad about giving up
Jan 19 17:31:25 <av500> mdp: mine is from some trash dump
Jan 19 17:31:33 <av500> I had c64s but threw them away :)
Jan 19 17:31:37 <mdp> I want my Intellivision back too :)
Jan 19 17:32:08 <jay6981> the TI99 floppy disk drive cost more than the computer
Jan 19 17:32:15 <snowrichard> i have a great uncle named Jerry Merryman, he worked for TI for years, his name is on the patent for the first calculator they did.  
Jan 19 17:32:56 <mdp> it was kinda cool back then, because everybody was a programmer more or less
Jan 19 17:33:15 <jay6981> they tried to teach us LOGO in public school
Jan 19 17:33:16 <snowrichard> he built a prototype of the circuit on breadboard that took several large tables
Jan 19 17:33:29 <mdp> friend had that timex sinclair unit with the membrane keyboards…others had the atari 400/800 units with same that could run 2600 games
Jan 19 17:33:33 <mdp> good times :)
Jan 19 17:34:25 <snowrichard> he's got an altair 8080 in mint condition in his living room that he built
Jan 19 17:34:43 <mdp> nice
Jan 19 17:34:45 <snowrichard> bet he could get some bucks on Ebay for that if he ever decided to 
Jan 19 17:35:38 <snowrichard> he'll probably will it to some museum lol
Jan 19 17:35:46 <jay6981> i had a friend in 1989 that bought a Dell 386/16 running AT&T system V
Jan 19 17:35:51 <jay6981> he paid $10k for it
Jan 19 17:36:12 <jay6981> half that price was the unix license, iirc
Jan 19 17:36:23 <snowrichard> i built a 386 in 1990, cost me about $1200
Jan 19 17:37:25 <jay6981> that system was like the holy grail to my 12 year old self
Jan 19 17:37:39 <snowrichard> hard drive never worked right, i had to run a batch  file every night at midnite that backed it up to a second drive (20MB on both), and ran Spinrite to reformat the primary
Jan 19 17:37:41 <jay6981> he had it networked with uucp
Jan 19 17:37:50 <jay6981> back when email addresess had the host names first
Jan 19 17:38:04 <mdp> hehe..in '91 I recall I didn't get a 386DX/33..instead got a 386SX/16 w/ 3MB RAM for huge cost savings
Jan 19 17:38:23 <snowrichard> i ran a GTPOWER bbs on it with a 2400 baud modem
Jan 19 17:38:26 <mdp> and it ran linux fine in early 92
Jan 19 17:38:36 <av500> around 90 I spent like 3ys with my dad to decide on a 386
Jan 19 17:38:45 <av500> finally settled on a 486 
Jan 19 17:40:12 <jay6981> i eventually managed to get a bootleg copy of Xenix/286 running on my system… it was neat to be able to do floppy IO and download a file via BBS at the same time
Jan 19 17:40:28 <snowrichard> i guess reminiscing about the old days and other random chatter ok if no one has pressing support questions huhj
Jan 19 17:40:44 <jay6981> it's loosely related to the topic :)
Jan 19 17:41:16 <mdp> the idea is to suppress any support questions
Jan 19 17:41:16 <av500> snowrichard: dont worry
Jan 19 17:41:21 <jay6981> haha
Jan 19 17:41:26 <av500> and its almost friday anyway
Jan 19 17:42:11 <snowrichard> i think i have all the prerequisites for open embedded builds downloaded except the bit back git clone
Jan 19 17:42:34 <av500> "get your bits back with BitBack"
Jan 19 17:42:41 <av500> or money back
Jan 19 17:42:49 <snowrichard> bit bake i meant
Jan 19 17:44:10 <snowrichard> i got a terabyte on here so keeping lots of source trees around is not a problem
Jan 19 17:45:49 <snowrichard> be back in a few
Jan 19 17:46:16 <snowrichard> i'm hoping to recieve an lcd monitor fedex today that has dvi input
Jan 19 17:47:36 <snowrichard> tried with my hdmi tv (sony wega crt) and the video flashes
Jan 19 17:47:53 <jay6981> you have a CRT with HDMI in? 
Jan 19 17:48:32 <snowrichard> yeah  its old, bought it a sears a few years ago, it was about 600 bucks when the flat panels were at least 1200
Jan 19 17:49:25 <snowrichard> it took 3 people to get it inside the house big and heavy
Jan 19 17:50:36 <snowrichard> may take a few more days to get the dvi cable bought them on amazone
Jan 19 17:52:28 <snowrichard> my nephew has a 52 inch that would make a killer monitor lol
Jan 19 17:52:35 <thurbad> lol
Jan 19 17:52:37 <snowrichard> but he aint about to give it up
Jan 19 17:52:43 <av500> only if you have bad eyesight
Jan 19 17:52:54 <av500> unless it has 4k resolution
Jan 19 17:53:04 <jay6981> i had a 42" LCD on my desk for a few weeks. it wasn't really possible to use it as a desktop monitor
Jan 19 17:53:06 <jay6981> too bright for one
Jan 19 17:53:11 <thurbad> you'd haveto sit about 7 feet away fromit
Jan 19 17:53:14 <av500> bright you can darken
Jan 19 17:53:17 <av500> no?
Jan 19 17:53:20 <snowrichard> it is a little fuzzy on his tv picture yeah
Jan 19 17:53:24 <jay6981> i had it at the lowest setting and my eyes were still bleeding
Jan 19 17:53:27 <av500> ah
Jan 19 17:53:34 <av500> increase the room lights then
Jan 19 17:54:04 <jay6981> it's one of those "commercial displays" for digital signage, etc
Jan 19 17:54:33 <snowrichard> our grocery store down the road has a big sign like that
Jan 19 17:56:42 <snowrichard> i got the s-video hooked up just to see what it would do and it can't keep vertical sync
Jan 19 17:57:01 <snowrichard> but that might be the omapfb setting
Jan 19 17:57:42 <snowrichard> the color bars are ok
Jan 19 17:58:00 <snowrichard> i guess, i'm color blind
Jan 19 17:59:03 <jay6981> snowrichard: maybe you just need to tweak the timings/modeline a bit
Jan 19 17:59:41 <av500> there is no modeline for svideo
Jan 19 17:59:46 <snowrichard> i'll have the dvi monitor and cables within a week
Jan 19 17:59:47 <av500> PAL and NTSC are standards
Jan 19 18:00:15 <snowrichard> i though i had it set to tv:ntsc but it could have been pal accidentally
Jan 19 18:00:31 <snowrichard> i did get it set right once 
Jan 19 18:00:45 <snowrichard> but the overscan made it hard to see all the text
Jan 19 18:02:12 <av500> yes, dont use all the pixels for PAL/NTSC
Jan 19 18:02:19 <snowrichard> being out in the sticks here have to mailorder everything
Jan 19 18:02:34 <snowrichard> no Fryes or anything
Jan 19 18:02:54 <jay6981> we have fry's here and i still mail order everything
Jan 19 18:03:35 <av500> we have mail order and I deep fry everything
Jan 19 18:03:58 <snowrichard> when i go to geeks.com to look up an order tracking number they have my complete purchase history pop up its amazing how much i've spent with them
Jan 19 18:04:01 <mdp> jay6981, hope you still stop in at fry's to see who the "person in charge" of the day is :)
Jan 19 18:04:25 <av500> mdp: you?
Jan 19 18:04:25 <woglinde> lol 18 to 24 euros license for windows phone
Jan 19 18:04:32 <woglinde> so android is still cheaper
Jan 19 18:04:34 <av500> woglinde: bs
Jan 19 18:04:42 <jay6981> mdp: heh, it's been a while since I've been there
Jan 19 18:04:48 <mdp> av500, I shun responsibility like that
Jan 19 18:04:57 <jay6981> "person in charge" is a heck of a title though
Jan 19 18:05:01 <av500> woglinde: you are naive :)
Jan 19 18:05:10 <woglinde> av500 I know
Jan 19 18:05:12 <mdp> jay6981, indeed
Jan 19 18:05:13 <snowrichard> once i get a decent display i may try the android builds out too
Jan 19 18:05:26 <av500> woglinde: sammy, htc and lg pay M$ nothing for android
Jan 19 18:05:43 <av500> instead they make win7 phones that the pay nothing either for
Jan 19 18:05:49 <woglinde> av500 dont care what contract they made
Jan 19 18:05:54 <av500> and m4 then pay 100$ for every phone sold
Jan 19 18:05:58 <av500> m$
Jan 19 18:07:04 <snowrichard> i was the poic in my workcenter on that aircraft carrier.  there were only the two of us and the other guy outranked me so he was wcs
Jan 19 18:08:11 <woglinde> wcs?
Jan 19 18:08:23 <snowrichard> petty officer in charge and work center supervisor
Jan 19 18:08:52 * koen wtfs at git
Jan 19 18:09:19 <koen> git init . ; git remote add foo foo.com ; git fetch foo ; git checkout foo/bar -b bar
Jan 19 18:09:23 <snowrichard> but he was an idiot.  one day he erased all the backup tapes by running them through a tape cleaner that did read-after-write verify to check for dropouts
Jan 19 18:09:37 <koen> git diff | wc -l 1651
Jan 19 18:09:44 <woglinde> snowrichard nice
Jan 19 18:10:02 <woglinde> snowrichard didn run all the navy ships with windows nt?
Jan 19 18:10:17 <snowrichard> windows? lol
Jan 19 18:10:30 <jay6981> i remember that news story. 
Jan 19 18:10:33 <snowrichard> we had AN/UYK-7 from Univac
Jan 19 18:10:43 <snowrichard> and AN/UYK-20
Jan 19 18:10:43 <woglinde> jay6981 ;)
Jan 19 18:10:49 <jay6981> some AEGIS cruiser was dead in water because of NT BSOD?
Jan 19 18:10:49 <snowrichard> ran a system called CMS
Jan 19 18:11:04 * koen stabs git
Jan 19 18:11:08 <snowrichard> this was back in 1980
Jan 19 18:11:59 <jay6981> the CMS from VM/370?
Jan 19 18:12:05 <snowrichard> no
Jan 19 18:12:38 <snowrichard> navy stuff
Jan 19 18:13:15 <snowrichard> i think i read somewhere on a mil site they have done some emulation of the an/uyk-7 on pc hardware to replace them
Jan 19 18:14:44 <snowrichard> i can emulate vm/370 r6 nicely on this pc though, runs faster than the original
Jan 19 18:14:46 <woglinde> snowrichard sounds logical
Jan 19 18:14:58 <woglinde> hercules
Jan 19 18:14:59 <snowrichard> herculews
Jan 19 18:15:01 <snowrichard> hercules
Jan 19 18:15:22 <snowrichard> and mvs 3.8j
Jan 19 18:15:47 <jay6981> i did the mvs sysgen on herculues… that was painful
Jan 19 18:15:47 <snowrichard> but why i'd want to torture myself by going back to cobol or 370 asm not sure lol
Jan 19 18:16:53 <snowrichard> i did write one cobol program on the mvs just to see if i remembered any.  it read a card image file and did a bank balance
Jan 19 18:17:44 <jay6981> snowrichard:  found this: http://www.kh6bb.org/photos1.html
Jan 19 18:18:06 <jay6981> look familiar?
Jan 19 18:21:36 <snowrichard> sorry had a little excitment here
Jan 19 18:22:23 <snowrichard> my dad had gotten out of his car to give me some mail and he didn't get it in park and it started backing up. my mom managed to get over from the other seat and get it stopped, but he ended up getting knocked down by the door
Jan 19 18:23:48 <snowrichard> yeah an/uyk-20 and teletypes look familiar. 
Jan 19 18:24:45 <jay6981> I like the red "secure" telephone
Jan 19 18:25:02 <jay6981> aka "Coke machine"
Jan 19 18:25:02 <snowrichard> the radio gear i never saw
Jan 19 18:25:12 <av500> jay6981: only you and the pizza man will know what toppings you had...
Jan 19 18:25:13 <snowrichard> never went into radio room
Jan 19 18:25:56 <snowrichard> we booted the 7 and 20 from mag tape though
Jan 19 18:26:09 <jay6981> high tech :)
Jan 19 18:26:23 <snowrichard> and only if the ibm disk drive had hiccupped
Jan 19 18:26:40 <snowrichard> ibm rd-281 i think was the model
Jan 19 18:26:45 <snowrichard> two platters
Jan 19 18:26:51 <snowrichard> hydraulic actuators
Jan 19 18:27:05 <snowrichard> sometimes oil would get on the disk surfaces and cause errors
Jan 19 18:27:35 <jay6981> wow, hydraulic
Jan 19 18:27:44 <snowrichard> they cleaned them with drinkable 100 proof alcohol
Jan 19 18:27:54 <jay6981> haha
Jan 19 18:28:40 <jay6981> i should probably go to work
Jan 19 18:54:11 <snowrichard> hmm seemed to have lost net momentarily while i was gone
Jan 19 18:54:35 <av500> nuthin' much happened
Jan 19 18:55:34 <snowrichard> the VA pays me mileage reimbursment for medical appointments.  last year the amount for here to shreveport was $23.80, i was shocked to see this check $36.48
Jan 19 18:55:48 <snowrichard> that more than pays for my gas
Jan 19 18:55:58 <av500> continental drift.....
Jan 19 18:56:34 <snowrichard> i can fill my tank and get 300 miles for just under $50
Jan 19 18:56:47 <snowrichard> rt shreveport takes at most 1/4 tank
Jan 19 18:57:01 <woglinde> what do you drive?
Jan 19 18:57:19 <snowrichard> its a kia sportage, has a six
Jan 19 18:57:31 <woglinde> lol
Jan 19 18:57:33 <woglinde> kia
Jan 19 18:57:39 <av500> lol?
Jan 19 18:58:00 <snowrichard> its a lot better car than the last one i had, a chevy cavalier
Jan 19 18:58:23 <snowrichard> ended up replacing the engine in that one and it never did work right after
Jan 19 19:00:02 <snowrichard> the fuel pump would die randomly they said it would be 700 to replace the fuel pump
Jan 19 19:00:24 <woglinde> no lpg?
Jan 19 19:00:36 <snowrichard> lpg?
Jan 19 19:01:05 <woglinde> gas fuel
Jan 19 19:01:31 <snowrichard> you mean like butane? propane? not many cars run on that here
Jan 19 19:01:49 <snowrichard> some bus do
Jan 19 19:02:47 <snowrichard> i would like to see one set up for natural gas, we are producing a lot of that now in texas out of the haynesville shale formation
Jan 19 19:08:24 <snowrichard> wow vim finally finished installing
Jan 19 19:08:37 <snowrichard> only 3 hrs or so lol
Jan 19 19:09:12 <snowrichard> i wonder if i can ssh to the board now
Jan 19 19:09:12 <av500> snowrichard: lpg is liquid gas
Jan 19 19:09:33 <snowrichard> yeah was not that familiar with it,
Jan 19 19:09:51 <mru> uh, matter can be liquid *or* gas (or solid)
Jan 19 19:10:23 <woglinde> or plasma
Jan 19 19:10:28 <av500> or gone
Jan 19 19:11:41 <snowrichard> cool i ran /etc/init.d/dropbear init and now i can ssh in
Jan 19 19:12:08 <snowrichard> dropbear start  
Jan 19 19:14:08 <snowrichard> i'm on a minimal angstrom image, i guess i'd like to find out what config changes to make to start the network and dropbear automatically now
Jan 19 19:21:45 <mranostay> JDmgc: yes i'm here
Jan 19 19:21:54 <JDmgc> mranostay:  LOL
Jan 19 19:24:18 <thurbad> snowrichard: you need to put dropbear into your the runlevel you're using
Jan 19 19:25:25 <thurbad> and tell your network connection to be auto in /etc/network/interfaces if it isn't already
Jan 19 19:26:09 <xxiao> the low-power wifi from TI is too expensive, the module is sold at $29 for 1k unit
Jan 19 19:26:24 <av500> which one?
Jan 19 19:26:29 <xxiao> cc3000
Jan 19 19:26:34 <xxiao> the new kid
Jan 19 19:26:44 <av500> well, buy more
Jan 19 19:26:50 <xxiao> microchip's similar one is sold at $12 at 5k
Jan 19 19:27:14 <xxiao> i hope TI will release some reference degin for that wifi module, just as it did to zigbee modules
Jan 19 19:27:35 <snowrichard> ok how to do that.  The two commands on serial console /etc/init.d/networking start ; /etc/init.d/dropbear start  work
Jan 19 19:27:38 <xxiao> without reference from chip vendor there is no way you can get wireless right
Jan 19 19:27:47 <thurbad> buy the competitor's chip then?
Jan 19 19:27:57 <xxiao> thurbad: it's still too expensive
Jan 19 19:28:14 <xxiao> a not-so-expensive usb-wifi is like <$3 in low volume
Jan 19 19:28:25 <xxiao> not-so-low-power i mean
Jan 19 19:28:45 <thurbad> for g or n?
Jan 19 19:28:47 <xxiao> if the price is competitive, why bother with all those zigbee/z-wave shit
Jan 19 19:28:52 <xxiao> thurbad: b/g
Jan 19 19:29:02 <xxiao> extreme low-power rarely does n
Jan 19 19:29:42 * xxiao can't wait to dump zigbee
Jan 19 19:30:09 <snowrichard> i'm using a 50 ft cat 5 to my router and a usb/ethernet, works fine
Jan 19 19:30:23 <mdp> xxiao, TI one is more better…buy it
Jan 19 19:30:55 <av500> mdp: the betterest?
Jan 19 19:31:14 <xxiao> mdp: my issue is that i don't want the msp430 kit bundled with it
Jan 19 19:31:15 <snowrichard> i'll look at /etc/network/interfaces
Jan 19 19:31:19 <mdp> better butter
Jan 19 19:31:30 <xxiao> mdp: a stellaris board will make me feel better though
Jan 19 19:32:00 <thurbad> snowrichard, first off what runlevel are you at?
Jan 19 19:32:01 <mdp> xxiao, PR on it says it's revolutionary so I don't understand how anything else can be similar :)
Jan 19 19:33:00 <ds2> @!$!@$#!@#!@ namings
Jan 19 19:33:16 <xxiao> mdp: well, PR is shit
Jan 19 19:33:31 <ds2> did TI change the memory controller from the 3530 to the other 35xx chips? EMIF vs SDRC or is that another terminology change?
Jan 19 19:33:50 <xxiao> i listed a few known low-power-mcu-wifi here: http://fosiao.com/node/25
Jan 19 19:34:07 <xxiao> all are _too_ expensive
Jan 19 19:34:23 <snowrichard> how to set a runlevel?
Jan 19 19:34:25 <snowrichard> i didn't 
Jan 19 19:34:39 <snowrichard> its booting into the serial console login 
Jan 19 19:35:01 <snowrichard> there are files for rc0.d thru rc5.d in /etc
Jan 19 19:37:45 <mru> ds2: EMIF is a different beast entirely
Jan 19 19:37:59 <SilicaGel> Does NEON include its OWN floating point processor, or is what I'm reading about here trying to tell me that the VFP is actually PART of NEON?
Jan 19 19:38:08 <snowrichard> there's an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 says auto and dhcp which does work if it gets started
Jan 19 19:38:23 <mru> SilicaGel: that's not an easy question to answer
Jan 19 19:38:42 <SilicaGel> hm
Jan 19 19:38:44 <SilicaGel> like for instance
Jan 19 19:38:44 <mru> the simple answer is that neon and vfp share some things
Jan 19 19:38:53 <SilicaGel> there's an instruction VMUL that's listed in the "Advanced SIMD Floating-point instructions" 
Jan 19 19:39:07 <SilicaGel> mru: oh!
Jan 19 19:39:12 <ds2> mru: that's what I suspected. and the 35x's designation is jsut misleading
Jan 19 19:39:26 <mru> ds2: misleading?
Jan 19 19:39:27 <snowrichard> i downloaded that armv7a reference its over 2500 pages i don't think i'll be reading all of it anytime soon
Jan 19 19:39:57 <mdp> xxiao, :)
Jan 19 19:40:03 <av500> snowrichard: you dont have to, mru did and can recite from it :)
Jan 19 19:40:06 <SilicaGel> mru what confused me is that in the ... whatever document I'm in ... Technical Reference Manual ... there's 2 separate sections for "NEON" and "Cortex-A9 Floating Point Unit"
Jan 19 19:40:18 <ds2> mru: omap3530 has no EMIF AFAIK, but the am3517/am3503 has it. all have used '35x' as the family name at one point
Jan 19 19:40:21 <SilicaGel> but both of them describe "VFP"
Jan 19 19:40:29 <mru> SilicaGel: the a9 comes in two versions, one with full neon and one with only vfp
Jan 19 19:40:56 <SilicaGel> hm are the two versiosn called v7 core and v7a core ?
Jan 19 19:40:57 <mru> SilicaGel: if you have neon, you also have vfp
Jan 19 19:41:08 <SilicaGel> ..or is that something different
Jan 19 19:41:09 <mru> no, they are both v7-a
Jan 19 19:41:52 <mru> at the architectural level, you have a bunch of registers and a bunch of instructions that operate on those registers
Jan 19 19:42:03 <mru> the registers are shared between vfp and neon
Jan 19 19:42:12 <snowrichard> i might eventually read enough of the user space instructions to code somthing like a small forth...
Jan 19 19:42:38 <mru> vfp instructions do single or double precision floating-point operations on scalars
Jan 19 19:42:53 <mru> neon instructions do integer or single-precision float operations on vectors
Jan 19 19:43:10 <jay6981> the V in VFP seems something of a misnomer
Jan 19 19:43:35 <mru> in actual hardware, the float operations are largely performed by the same execution units
Jan 19 19:44:35 <mru> so the neon-enabled a9 has two single-precision floating-point arithmetic units
Jan 19 19:44:51 <mru> a neon instruction operating on a vector of two floats uses both of these
Jan 19 19:44:54 <thurbad> snowrichard: you can find your runlevel in /etc/inittab
Jan 19 19:45:02 <snowrichard> amd_64 docs were a little overwhelming too though, 5 or 6 volumes
Jan 19 19:45:04 <mru> a vfp instruction operating on a single float value uses only one of them
Jan 19 19:45:07 <snowrichard> ok 
Jan 19 19:45:23 <snowrichard> so is the normal one 3
Jan 19 19:45:32 <snowrichard> and 0 for shutdown reboot
Jan 19 19:46:37 <av500> xxiao: so the CC3000 has no MCU of its own to be used?
Jan 19 19:46:41 <av500> how lame is that?
Jan 19 19:46:56 <snowrichard> ok the /etc/inittab appears not to exist at the moment
Jan 19 19:47:36 <snowrichard> googling
Jan 19 19:47:47 <mru> your system is probably infested with systemd
Jan 19 19:48:00 <av500> latest angstrom, yes
Jan 19 19:48:44 <xxiao> av500: yes
Jan 19 19:49:14 <xxiao> it should have some ASIC inside to run wifi MAC , or a small cpu
Jan 19 19:49:31 <xxiao> externally it's a spi device acting like a wireless modem
Jan 19 19:49:32 <av500> xxiao: well, it had a cpu inside for sure
Jan 19 19:49:43 <av500> i assumed I could use that
Jan 19 19:50:31 <xxiao> gainspan, which provides a similar product, uses 2 ARM7 inside, one for wifi, one for general purpose
Jan 19 19:51:06 <Guest27665> having error in booting ubuntu on bb xmc
Jan 19 19:51:09 <xxiao> zerog which was acquired by microchip, use a proprietary core for low-power wifi
Jan 19 19:51:31 <Guest27665> got syuck up in initramfs
Jan 19 19:51:37 <Guest27665> stuck
Jan 19 19:51:38 <xxiao> maybe there is a little msp430 or M3 inside cc3000, who knows
Jan 19 19:52:41 <jay6981> the marvell wifi chip i played with had an ARM core in there to do encryption
Jan 19 19:53:08 <xxiao> those should be done by hardware instead of sw?
Jan 19 19:54:33 <jay6981> the AES block cypher? dunno enough about it
Jan 19 19:59:50 <snowrichard> it was the systemd image yes
Jan 19 20:00:12 <snowrichard> the demo image never gave me a serial console or let me log in ssh
Jan 19 20:00:26 <snowrichard> my monitor just came
Jan 19 20:01:16 <snowrichard> i can reflash the demo image and try again later 
Jan 19 20:01:49 <av500> the demo image did not match your kernel
Jan 19 20:02:21 <av500> but there was another large image from 12th jan, that might be non-systemd
Jan 19 20:02:24 <av500> koen: ??
Jan 19 20:06:31 <snowrichard> monitor is here but as i expected only VGA cable, so i have to wait for my hdmi-dvi cable set to come in
Jan 19 20:07:48 <snowrichard> ok i'll go look at the mirror again, check that other image
Jan 19 20:07:57 <snowrichard> later
Jan 19 20:08:44 <SilicaGel> mru: thanks very much for that description, that really does help clear some things up in my mind.
Jan 19 20:19:51 <SilicaGel> It should be pretty easy to route a hardware timer in the am3359 to a PRU shoudln't it?
Jan 19 20:20:13 <SilicaGel> I guess I don't even really need interrupts, if I can just look for an output state of the timer, I can just poll.  I'm making a specialized UART
Jan 19 20:34:22 <snowrichard> found a 12 jan ti gnome img.gz i guess that is the one you were looking at av500?
Jan 19 20:36:47 <snowrichard> 120Kb/sec from the amazon mirror, 2Kb/sec from the angstrom one
Jan 19 20:43:01 <_av500_> yes
Jan 19 20:44:26 <snowrichard> so i guess this is a zcat ... | dd kind of thing i'll look up the instructions again
Jan 19 20:56:03 <viggi> hey
Jan 19 20:56:06 <viggi> i need a help
Jan 19 20:56:21 <viggi> i got by beaglebone today
Jan 19 20:56:28 <SilicaGel> ok
Jan 19 20:56:31 <Guest43132> i installed linux
Jan 19 20:56:32 <woglinde> and?
Jan 19 20:56:37 <Guest43132> into my PC
Jan 19 20:56:40 <woglinde> I got non
Jan 19 20:56:44 <SilicaGel> do you mean you stuck the sdhc card that came with it into the slot?
Jan 19 20:56:49 <SilicaGel> oh
Jan 19 20:56:56 <woglinde> why you bought a bone when you have no clue about linux?
Jan 19 20:56:58 <Guest43132> no i connected my board to the PC
Jan 19 20:57:10 <Guest43132> *learning*
Jan 19 20:57:10 <SilicaGel> and now you don't know how to talk to it?
Jan 19 20:57:25 <Guest43132> yep
Jan 19 20:57:37 <Guest43132> i installed CCS and other files in the start here
Jan 19 20:57:40 <SilicaGel> yeah
Jan 19 20:57:46 <SilicaGel> what linux dist did you isntall
Jan 19 20:57:47 <woglinde> oh no ccs again
Jan 19 20:58:05 <Guest43132> im searching for the setup.sh i am supposed to open
Jan 19 20:58:19 <Guest43132> how do i kind of find it?
Jan 19 20:58:23 <SilicaGel> yeah you can do that to isntall all their tools if you really want to
Jan 19 20:58:34 <woglinde> you need dhcp server and ssh client
Jan 19 20:58:41 <woglinde> than you can ssh into the bone
Jan 19 20:58:42 <Guest43132> kk?
Jan 19 20:58:57 <woglinde> or use a serial cable to connect
Jan 19 20:59:00 <Guest43132> mmm i wish ter was some good book for it
Jan 19 20:59:04 <SilicaGel> is that easier than just making sure the ftdi driver is attached to the bone's vid:pid and then install picocom 
Jan 19 20:59:09 <SilicaGel> That's where I started.
Jan 19 20:59:28 <woglinde> book is to old when it is getting printed
Jan 19 20:59:42 <Guest43132> ok so how do i see my Board's angstrom?
Jan 19 20:59:49 <Guest43132> from ubuntu?
Jan 19 21:00:04 <woglinde> serial console
Jan 19 21:00:07 <woglinde> via usb
Jan 19 21:00:16 <woglinde> or ssh
Jan 19 21:00:21 <woglinde> when it got an ip
Jan 19 21:00:37 <Guest43132> how do i see it thru USB?
Jan 19 21:00:43 <Guest43132> sorry if i am a noob
Jan 19 21:00:48 <Guest43132> i am exited abt it
Jan 19 21:01:04 <woglinde> hm didnt we give you enough hints
Jan 19 21:01:15 <woglinde> to figure it our yourself
Jan 19 21:01:45 <Guest43132> sorry but i cant understand yet
Jan 19 21:01:49 <woglinde> maybee you want start here -> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
Jan 19 21:01:53 <Guest43132> how do i access thru USB:?
Jan 19 21:02:01 <Guest43132> kk
Jan 19 21:02:05 <woglinde> via terminal programm
Jan 19 21:02:10 <Guest43132> but aint beaglebone diff?
Jan 19 21:02:11 <woglinde> like minicom cutecom
Jan 19 21:02:17 <woglinde> or screen
Jan 19 21:03:33 <Guest43132> kk
Jan 19 21:03:37 <Guest43132> got it :D
Jan 19 21:03:42 <Guest43132> thanks
Jan 19 21:03:52 <woglinde> hm your are right
Jan 19 21:04:03 <woglinde> search didnt reveal a site dedictaed to the bone
Jan 19 21:04:05 <woglinde> intressting
Jan 19 21:04:34 <woglinde> here is something to read
Jan 19 21:04:36 <woglinde> http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=Hitchhikers_Guide_to_the_BeagleBone_(and_ARMv7a)
Jan 19 21:04:40 <woglinde> start at tips and tricks
Jan 19 21:04:43 <Guest43132> :F
Jan 19 21:04:45 <Guest43132> :D
Jan 19 21:04:46 <Guest43132> :D
Jan 19 21:04:49 <Guest43132> thanks 
Jan 19 21:04:51 <woglinde> ignore the stuff at the beginning for now
Jan 19 21:05:07 <woglinde> How to connect to the BeagleBone via mini-USB
Jan 19 21:05:09 <SilicaGel> or picocom
Jan 19 21:05:12 <SilicaGel> aptitude install picocom
Jan 19 21:05:20 <SilicaGel> or wahtever your flavor dictates
Jan 19 21:05:58 <Guest43132> wat am i supposed to read in hitch hikker's guide?
Jan 19 21:06:14 <woglinde> how to get gentoo on bone
Jan 19 21:10:19 <Guest43132> mmmm
Jan 19 21:10:28 <Guest43132> im a 11th grader
Jan 19 21:10:36 <Guest43132> by the way
Jan 19 21:15:52 <woglinde> and?
Jan 19 21:16:00 <Guest43132> its commin "Sorry Cannot find PTY"
Jan 19 21:16:04 <Guest43132> ;/
Jan 19 21:16:21 <Guest43132> im totally new to linux stuff
Jan 19 21:16:24 <woglinde> did you run the modprobe command?
Jan 19 21:16:30 <Guest43132> ?
Jan 19 21:16:37 <Guest43132> i ran screen /dev/ttyS0 115200"
Jan 19 21:16:39 <woglinde> than you have to to learn much
Jan 19 21:16:46 <Guest43132> mmmm]
Jan 19 21:16:48 <woglinde> and?
Jan 19 21:16:59 <Guest43132> the error came up
Jan 19 21:17:07 <Guest43132> :/
Jan 19 21:17:38 <woglinde> you can read nor?
Jan 19 21:17:42 <entropia_> salut, I would like to ask about any way of getting connected with my BeagleBoard. I started with tutorials saying that you can power your BB with usb, so i did so, but nothing happened. I had no response via terminal. Then I read somewhere that I definitely shouldn't use it this way, cause the bootloader may not work and I should use a power adaptor. Right now I'm having a 5V power adaptor plugged and stil can't get any response 
Jan 19 21:17:44 <woglinde> modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x0403 product=0xa6d0
Jan 19 21:18:05 <woglinde> entropia_ whats the ampere?
Jan 19 21:18:14 <woglinde> you need 1200 mA at least
Jan 19 21:18:26 <woglinde> maybee 1000 works too
Jan 19 21:18:35 <_av500_> and a working serial setuo
Jan 19 21:18:37 <woglinde> otherwise consider your board broken
Jan 19 21:18:49 <xxiao> SilicaGel: is picocom really smaller than microcom?
Jan 19 21:18:49 <woglinde> av500 I think he doesnt see the lights
Jan 19 21:19:00 <xxiao> pico vs micro, that is
Jan 19 21:19:07 <entropia_> Thanks for response, I'lll check it all.
Jan 19 21:19:11 <xxiao> minicom -- microcom -- picocom, good names
Jan 19 21:19:19 <woglinde> xxiao is not relevant, features  and linebreakstuff and such matters
Jan 19 21:19:33 <Guest43132> hey and by the way can i devlop on windows also?
Jan 19 21:19:40 <SilicaGel> i think so.   picocom is sorta crappy.  but it's smallish 
Jan 19 21:19:43 <xxiao> woglinde: most of the time i just need a dumb one for input/output though
Jan 19 21:19:44 <Guest43132> or is it only linux to linux?
Jan 19 21:19:58 <woglinde> Guest43132 there is something called crosscompiler
Jan 19 21:20:05 <woglinde> which even works on windows
Jan 19 21:20:08 <woglinde> under cygwin
Jan 19 21:20:12 <Guest43132> kk :D
Jan 19 21:20:14 <Guest43132> putty:?
Jan 19 21:20:22 <woglinde> putty is for ssh dude
Jan 19 21:20:30 <Guest43132> kk
Jan 19 21:20:37 <Guest43132>  i used it on zigbee
Jan 19 21:20:38 <xxiao> also for serial port(putty),
Jan 19 21:20:48 <xxiao> way better than hyperterminal, of course
Jan 19 21:20:49 <woglinde> zibee is a standard
Jan 19 21:20:53 <woglinde> not a device
Jan 19 21:21:14 <Guest43132> ok a xbee module to be specific
Jan 19 21:21:18 <woglinde> xxiao hm right always forget this
Jan 19 21:23:38 <woglinde> xxiao in latest beta you even get kerberos support
Jan 19 21:23:40 <xxiao> woglinde: i used teraterm on window$ but it's not supported on window$7, so putty become the next option now
Jan 19 21:23:41 <entropia_> woglinde, i checked it, its 3A. Also I'm using an RS232 to USB converter and when i used it to work on qwerk, it was good.
Jan 19 21:23:49 <Guest43132> ok so hey so wat do i do?
Jan 19 21:23:57 <Guest43132> i tried out the method u told
Jan 19 21:24:07 <Guest43132> and i cant get it working
Jan 19 21:24:08 <woglinde> did you made the modprobe?
Jan 19 21:24:27 <woglinde> than run the command dmesg
Jan 19 21:24:46 <woglinde> at look on which device the serial line is connected
Jan 19 21:24:57 <woglinde>  its something like /dev/ttyUSB0
Jan 19 21:25:04 <woglinde> use screen on this device
Jan 19 21:40:53 <Guest43132> ok now my beaglebone is connected to my PC
Jan 19 21:41:01 <Guest43132> and i can find its network
Jan 19 21:41:07 <Guest43132> how do i find the IP
Jan 19 21:41:14 <Guest43132> in ubuntu/
Jan 19 21:42:20 <thurbad> ifconfig
Jan 19 21:45:22 <woglinde> ip show link
Jan 19 21:46:56 <aholler> ip addr
Jan 19 21:47:13 <Guest43132> kk
Jan 19 21:47:47 <Guest43132> done
Jan 19 21:48:17 <Guest43132> thanks
Jan 19 21:48:20 <Guest43132> and bye 
Jan 19 21:48:31 <Guest43132> ill learn i lot i guess
Jan 19 21:48:34 <Guest43132> :D
Jan 19 21:48:41 <woglinde> yes
Jan 19 21:48:49 <woglinde> or you will give up
Jan 19 21:48:52 <Guest43132> special thanks to woglinde
Jan 19 21:49:16 <Guest43132> so hey wer do i go and read abt beaglebone?
Jan 19 21:58:29 <spacecolonyone> can anyone offer a few sentence summary of the reorganization of bitbake and open embedded? I've been fighting with it trying to get newer kernel (e.g.>=39) to develop a driver for new camera board I'm building without any success. 
Jan 19 22:00:25 <spacecolonyone> So I finally say screw it, rm -r and reclone the angstrom git repo. Now it is actually building console-image with 2.6.39 (I'll have to see if it works), but Im noticing the the entire openembedded structure has changed.
Jan 19 22:00:43 <spacecolonyone> meta-this and meta-that, etc.
Jan 19 22:04:33 <snowrichard> success! the ti gnome image booted almost immediately, got serial console, net up and dropbear started automatically thanks _av500_
Jan 19 22:04:41 <woglinde> spacecolonyone yes we have now real layers
Jan 19 22:05:14 <woglinde> and therefor bitbake parses a lot faster
Jan 19 22:05:53 <spacecolonyone> I suspected it might relate to layers. 
Jan 19 22:06:37 <snowrichard> so gnome and X appear to be installed i could use ssh -X and run some X app with display on my pc hopefully
Jan 19 22:08:07 <snowrichard> i can see the X display on the svideo but its rolling i suspect i need to fix uEnv.txt
Jan 19 22:08:29 <snowrichard> or boot environment variables
Jan 19 22:09:09 <xxiao> initial conclusion: cloud9 is painfully slow, and it sucks
Jan 19 22:09:15 <spacecolonyone> does this alter how I go about setting which kernel I want it to compile for when I do bitbake virtual/kernel? Though, for that matter, I was never really clear on how to do that previously. I'd tried creating a local overlay with an angstrom beagleboard config file that had the preferred provider set to linux-omap-2.6.39 but wasn't getting anywhere with it.
Jan 19 22:09:46 * xxiao went back to stone age vi 
Jan 19 22:09:58 <woglinde> spacecolonyone go to the meta-ti layer
Jan 19 22:10:06 <woglinde> and look at the machine config
Jan 19 22:10:22 <woglinde> the kernel is normaly defined there
Jan 19 22:10:23 <spacecolonyone> yea, I'm slowing going through each of the files in there that have beagleboard in the name
Jan 19 22:10:27 <spacecolonyone> slowly*
Jan 19 22:10:38 <woglinde> spacecolonyone but you can define it in local.conf too if you want
Jan 19 22:12:01 <spacecolonyone> so setting PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel in local.conf overrides... I guess that makes sense. Right now it is set to simply "linux" so I am trying to track down what "linux" means
Jan 19 22:14:26 <spacecolonyone> 490 of 3387, ugh
Jan 19 22:22:57 <woglinde> spacecolonyone have fun
Jan 19 22:23:32 <spacecolonyone> woglinde when you say "we" have layers to whom do you refer? the angstom distribution, oe, arago, ?
Jan 19 22:23:35 <spacecolonyone> Hah!
Jan 19 22:24:23 <spacecolonyone> I've got 12 days to get media-ctl and yavta up and running with a crude custom driver!
Jan 19 22:24:48 <woglinde> spacecolonyone whole oe community
Jan 19 22:25:09 <woglinde> dont know what arago now uses
Jan 19 22:25:20 <xxiao> legacy stuff
Jan 19 22:25:50 <SilicaGel> yeah, things have actually gone more smooth for us on angstrom than when we were tryign to stick with arago
Jan 19 22:26:13 <SilicaGel> ... just because things are more up-to-date
Jan 19 22:26:20 <spacecolonyone> yea, I git the impression that arago is a bit too slow to update
Jan 19 22:26:31 <SilicaGel> Yeah and I was waiting for things like DCAN drivers
Jan 19 22:26:38 <xxiao> SilicaGel: TI's build system is heavily depending on arago, i guess it's hard for them to upgrade
Jan 19 22:26:46 <SilicaGel> ahh
Jan 19 22:27:08 <spacecolonyone> I need the working ispvideo code and it looks like that wasn't merged in until 2.6.39
Jan 19 22:27:26 <denix> spacecolonyone: that's because there are several productions releases behind arago. it's not meant to be cutting edge
Jan 19 22:27:26 <xxiao> spacecolonyone: what is ispvideo?
Jan 19 22:27:40 <SilicaGel> well jwinnebeck got our project to the point (thanks to woglinde's help,  as I understand) where he can use bitbake and build the whole darned thing from source
Jan 19 22:27:44 <SilicaGel> it's very very nice
Jan 19 22:27:59 <denix> xxiao: btw, arago is now being switched to oe-core/meta-ti...
Jan 19 22:28:01 <SilicaGel> some time soon I need to figure out the proper way to patch a few things, like opkg
Jan 19 22:28:04 <spacecolonyone> the ccdc subsystem that Laurent hase been developing
Jan 19 22:28:24 <SilicaGel> I actually reached out to the opkg project and offered to help with development ... but they haven't responded to me
Jan 19 22:28:26 <denix> either way, I keep saying arago is not meant for #beagle crowd, no matter what mdp says
Jan 19 22:29:22 <xxiao> denix: from when? 5.03 SDK is still with the 'old' arago at least
Jan 19 22:29:36 <spacecolonyone> xxiao: my bad omap3isp
Jan 19 22:29:40 <woglinde> SilicaGel hm better write to the oe-core ml
Jan 19 22:29:41 <xxiao> denix: i have not updated my arago for a few weeks
Jan 19 22:29:54 <SilicaGel> Really?  Hmm.I had to dig through opkg' s source to realy understand what it does and doesn't do compared to debian specs.  And that struck me as bad when there's a wiki associated with the project (with very limited info on it).  So I offered
Jan 19 22:30:01 <woglinde> opkg upstream is dead I think
Jan 19 22:30:28 <SilicaGel> sorry, ended sentence too earlier.  I offered to write wiki pages explaining things, particularly in the area of control files and package maintenance scripts
Jan 19 22:30:30 <xxiao> spacecolonyone: googled it, thanks
Jan 19 22:30:34 <SilicaGel> s/earlier/erly/
Jan 19 22:30:43 <SilicaGel> man i don't want to join another mailing list though, I'm at brain capacity now!!!
Jan 19 22:31:03 <xxiao> SilicaGel: that do it, if you don't have write permission, then host it somewhere else and just ask someone to add a link at oe
Jan 19 22:31:06 <denix> xxiao: true, 5.03 was released in december. the product cycle is usually few months...
Jan 19 22:31:07 <xxiao> s/that/then
Jan 19 22:31:37 <SilicaGel> woah, there's an #oe  .....  why the crap didn't I think of that before now
Jan 19 22:31:58 <woglinde> lol
Jan 19 22:31:58 <xxiao> denix: are you saying furture sdk are going to based on oe-core / meta-oe ? gradually? which chip will hit it first?
Jan 19 22:32:07 <woglinde> SilicaGel asked me first next time
Jan 19 22:32:10 <denix> xxiao: btw, you want see changes in the same repository. the work on yocto-fying arago has been going for a while, but not at full speed yet.
Jan 19 22:32:26 <woglinde> okay
Jan 19 22:32:30 <denix> s/want/won't
Jan 19 22:32:32 <woglinde> time to say good nite
Jan 19 22:32:39 <djlewis> gn
Jan 19 22:32:51 * xxiao went to check on yocto-frying
Jan 19 22:33:06 <djlewis> is that deepfried in peanut oil?
Jan 19 22:33:47 <xxiao> denix: where is it?
Jan 19 22:33:59 <xxiao> failed to find it at arago/people
Jan 19 22:34:08 <spacecolonyone> so when a machine conf file says PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = linux how does one go about finding where that maps to a particular git source tree?
Jan 19 22:34:39 <denix> xxiao: not published yet
Jan 19 22:34:51 <xxiao> denix: ok, thanks for the heads up
Jan 19 22:34:55 <xxiao> looking forward to it
Jan 19 22:36:30 <denix> djlewis: deep fried yoctopus sounds delicious! :)
Jan 19 22:38:37 <entropia_> gn everyone, ty for your help
Jan 19 23:04:19 <snowrichard> amazingly warm weather today
Jan 19 23:06:08 <dfsmith> Hi all.  Is there an "official" way to update the Control_Module status on the Beaglebone?  I've modified u-Boot to set up ePWM1, but I'd prefer user-space control.  The Control_Module memory appears to be locked in a read only state.
Jan 19 23:08:33 <djlewis> snowrichard: where?
Jan 19 23:08:45 <snowrichard> here in east texas
Jan 19 23:08:56 <snowrichard> had to turn on ac for a while
Jan 19 23:09:06 <djlewis> yep, same here in central Arkansas, not AC warm though
Jan 19 23:09:09 <djlewis> doors are open
Jan 19 23:09:19 <snowrichard> last night i was freezing even with blankets
Jan 19 23:09:32 <djlewis> I was under about 6 inches of covers
Jan 19 23:10:34 <snowrichard> thermometer on the wall says 72 now
Jan 19 23:10:47 <snowrichard> i turned on the ac for a while when it was 79
Jan 19 23:11:17 <snowrichard> one of the first arduino projects i built was a temp sensor
Jan 19 23:12:13 <snowrichard> or actually it wasn't even arduino it was nerdkit bare controller on a breadboard
Jan 19 23:14:45 <snowrichard> i got this ti gnome image up, have a serial console, but can't install any packages cause of problems connecting to feeds.angstrom
Jan 19 23:15:11 <snowrichard> my isp said they'd get back to me in 2 days
Jan 19 23:17:00 <snowrichard> angstrom site says there is a us mirror i may try configureing  that next
Jan 19 23:19:27 <djlewis> snowrichard: yesterday people reported problems with angstrom feed
Jan 19 23:21:09 <snowrichard> black for sopa right lol
Jan 19 23:21:25 <thurbad> stupid sopa
Jan 19 23:21:38 <thurbad> stupid reps
Jan 19 23:21:58 <snowrichard> i'm sure the media will have an ongoing sopa opera
Jan 19 23:22:55 <calculus> is it just me or does http://beagleboard.org/static/flyer_latest.pdf say "Speci  cations" under BeagleBone and BeagleBoard-xM?
Jan 19 23:24:33 <snowrichard> unbuntu pdf reader has the whole word for me
Jan 19 23:26:48 <snowrichard> there i'm feeling a bit better.  been a while since i ate, just got some ham
Jan 19 23:27:35 <djlewis> its all there in bold for me using and OLD ubuntu and doc reader
Jan 19 23:28:56 <snowrichard> got to lay down a bit getting legs cramped from sitting on the floor here all night
Jan 19 23:31:25 <calculus> OS X Preview is being naughty then
Jan 19 23:40:58 <snowrichard> you got a mac? intel or power pc
Jan 19 23:41:55 <snowrichard> last mac's i used were those ones with the 12" b/w screen
Jan 19 23:42:16 <snowrichard> 20mb hard drive and lots of floppy disks in file boxes
Jan 19 23:43:11 <snowrichard> great laser printer on the appletalk net though 
Jan 19 23:59:33 <calculus> intel
Jan 20 00:00:51 <snowrichard> i just got x11vnc up and connected to from my ubuntu desktop
Jan 20 00:01:08 <snowrichard> had to find the -auth string in the ps output
Jan 20 00:01:34 <snowrichard> i knew it was hidden somewhere lol
Jan 20 00:04:09 <snowrichard> the window is tiny but its there
Jan 20 00:04:43 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 20 00:12:39 <snowrichard> firefox starts... with the window so small i'd be scrolling a lot
Jan 20 02:25:43 <thomas__> hi
Jan 20 02:49:51 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 20 02:50:09 * snowrichard listens to my Bob Marley Jango station
Jan 20 02:52:56 <snowrichard> microSDHC card did not work well standard SDHC is holding up well, no fs error anymore
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Jan 20 03:05:20 <mranostay> snowrichard: BB or Pandaboard?
Jan 20 03:08:24 <thurbad> I think he's got a classic C2 BB?
Jan 20 03:10:46 * mranostay opens a next-to-last-day pint
Jan 20 03:11:00 <mranostay> heh that is so old
Jan 20 03:20:49 <snowrichard> beagle C3 actually 
Jan 20 03:21:01 <snowrichard> they shipped a c3 even though site said c2
Jan 20 03:23:20 <snowrichard> my mom's setting aside about 125 a month for me in a savings account -- at some point after i get a real project in mind i'll get an Xm
Jan 20 03:23:35 <snowrichard> get some experience with the tools first
Jan 20 04:22:54 <ds2> Hmmmm
Jan 20 05:21:10 <zzing> I have a project that I want to essentially implement computer software from scratch (no linux underneath), I have been looking at the various hardware options and beagle seems to have pretty good memory (>128k). I was wondering how easy it is to just make software without the linux underpinning. The technical details of how to do advanced things are not needed, just how easy it is to start out.
Jan 20 05:22:27 <Russ> oh geez
Jan 20 05:22:32 <Russ> an omap is a rather complex beast
Jan 20 05:22:38 <Russ> perhaps you want a uC
Jan 20 05:23:16 <jay6981> zzing: what are you already familiar with?
Jan 20 05:23:38 <zzing> Russ: In my search, I have seen two things: a uC that has severe memory restrictions (think <32kb ram), or much more powerful machines like here with plenty of all resources.
Jan 20 05:24:07 <zzing> jay6981: I have used atmega chips, did 8086 assembly a two decades ago.
Jan 20 05:24:08 <Russ> there are plenty of 32 bit uC's out there with more that 128kB RAm
Jan 20 05:24:09 <jay6981> zzing: i wanted to learn about bare metal stuff myself, so I picked an omap and wrote a relatively simple boot loader from scratch
Jan 20 05:24:24 <jay6981> i had no prior embedded/assembly programming skills
Jan 20 05:25:04 <zzing> I would essentially like to to implement something similar in capability to the early MS-DOS - just to give an idea of what my expectations are.
Jan 20 05:25:13 <jay6981> zzing: you ought to be fine
Jan 20 05:25:31 <jay6981> the hardest part for me so far was programming the SDRAM controller so I could get out of SRAM
Jan 20 05:25:52 <jay6981> you'll spend a lot of time in the TRM learning all the SoC components
Jan 20 05:26:02 <zzing> How much SRAM is available on these boards? (I am thinking the bone...)
Jan 20 05:26:04 <zzing> TRM?
Jan 20 05:26:08 <jay6981> 64k
Jan 20 05:26:15 <jay6981> technical reference manual
Jan 20 05:26:43 <mdp> as opposed to the marketing reference manual
Jan 20 05:26:49 <zzing> heh
Jan 20 05:27:01 <jay6981> if you could write DOS on a 8086 you could do it for the ARM
Jan 20 05:27:27 <zzing> jay6981: With Ralph Brown's Interrupt List (and associated lists) I could write it.
Jan 20 05:27:39 <jay6981> oh, well you won't have any help from a BIOS on the OMAP :)
Jan 20 05:27:45 <jay6981> that's all you :)
Jan 20 05:27:56 <zzing> By mentioning Ralph Brown, I have dated myself.
Jan 20 05:28:52 <zzing> Now out of curiosity, are there any other boards similar to the beagle that run cheaper?
Jan 20 05:28:59 <jay6981> if you're comfortable studying at least 6k pages of reference docs, you can totally do it
Jan 20 05:29:10 <jay6981> the raspberry pi is coming allegedly
Jan 20 05:29:17 <zzing> I had considered that
Jan 20 05:29:36 <jay6981> it's still vapor
Jan 20 05:29:57 <jay6981> unless you want to pay $10k on ebay
Jan 20 05:30:06 <zzing> Something betweeen $50 and $100 is decent, so the bone is not a bad deal.
Jan 20 05:30:12 <jay6981> bone is great
Jan 20 05:30:18 <jay6981> panda is nice too
Jan 20 05:30:21 <zzing> panda?
Jan 20 05:30:25 <jay6981> that's more money though
Jan 20 05:30:41 <jay6981> pandaboard
Jan 20 05:30:56 <zzing> The main thing I want to be able to do create something that I can communicate over usb with - in a similar fashion to how the arduino has a sort of console output
Jan 20 05:31:16 <jay6981> the bone has a uart to usb bridge chip
Jan 20 05:31:33 <jay6981> and it's pretty simple to program the uart on the omap3. i assume it's similar to the bone.
Jan 20 05:31:45 <zzing> That sounds very nice
Jan 20 05:31:55 <zzing> Panda is too complicated i think
Jan 20 05:31:56 <jay6981> there is a caveat to bone serial->usb though i think
Jan 20 05:32:13 <zzing> What is that
Jan 20 05:32:15 <jay6981> maybe when you reset the board, the usb resets 
Jan 20 05:32:21 <jay6981> which annoys people
Jan 20 05:32:37 <jay6981> the board I work with doesn't have that issue
Jan 20 05:32:44 <jay6981> so it's a stable console link
Jan 20 05:33:13 <bones_was_here> the serial console isn't available until the board has booted, so one can't watch it booting
Jan 20 05:33:13 <bones_was_here> one can reboot the system once it's up and the link stays up and the boot can be watched, but not if it just powered on
Jan 20 05:33:46 <jay6981> odd
Jan 20 05:34:11 <jay6981> when you say "reboot" you don't mean press the "reset" button right?
Jan 20 05:34:11 <zzing> okay
Jan 20 05:34:25 <jay6981> zzing will be pressing the reset button a lot at first
Jan 20 05:34:28 <bones_was_here> no, i mean log in over serial or ssh and tell the os to reboot
Jan 20 05:34:36 <jay6981> if that resets the bridge chip, it's annoying
Jan 20 05:34:56 <bones_was_here> i'm not sure if it happens when pressin the reset switch
Jan 20 05:35:09 <zzing> Now, is there anything that exists that can be a good base for what I want to do? 
Jan 20 05:35:23 <jay6981> u-boot
Jan 20 05:35:29 <jay6981> x-loader
Jan 20 05:35:34 <zzing> What are they capable of?
Jan 20 05:35:51 <zzing> At any point are they are able to output any kind of feedback?
Jan 20 05:35:55 <jay6981> loading a linux kernel into sdram from mmc, serial, etc
Jan 20 05:36:04 <jay6981> u-boot has a cli
Jan 20 05:36:17 <jay6981> basic scripting language
Jan 20 05:36:27 <zzing> That is pretty sweet
Jan 20 05:37:34 <jay6981> the first thing I did was write a super short asm program init and to write characters to the uart
Jan 20 05:37:44 <jay6981> once I got that to work, i knew the rest would follow
Jan 20 05:38:11 <zzing> jay6981: Is that without any uboot?
Jan 20 05:38:22 <jay6981> yeah, i did it from scratch
Jan 20 05:38:34 <jay6981> the only thing that runs before my code is the mask rom
Jan 20 05:39:04 <zzing> jay6981: Is that code available by chance?
Jan 20 05:39:30 <jay6981> not yet
Jan 20 05:40:03 <zzing> uboot is at the stage where it can take some study to understand the basic part of it based on what it does
Jan 20 05:40:20 <jay6981> you know how to make a cross toolchain?
Jan 20 05:40:43 <zzing> jay6981: I did it for avr using gcc 4.7 just the other day :P
Jan 20 05:40:45 <jay6981> u-boot is bloated because it runs on a lot of stuff, but it's not something you can't understand after a few weeks of study
Jan 20 05:41:41 <jay6981> zzing: well you obviously want to learn ARM, so you'll need to get the ARM ARM
Jan 20 05:42:08 <jay6981> and the AM335x TRM
Jan 20 05:42:11 <jay6981> if you're going with bone
Jan 20 05:42:15 <zzing> Is there a (open source) simulator for arm?
Jan 20 05:42:23 <jay6981> yes, qemu-system-arm
Jan 20 05:42:27 <zzing> sweet
Jan 20 05:42:42 <jay6981> i will work for you to get something like u-boot running
Jan 20 05:42:58 <zzing> I appreciate that
Jan 20 05:43:22 <jay6981> i don't know if qemu-system-arm emulates bone yet but it does a passable job on beagle
Jan 20 05:43:32 <jay6981> it can run angstrom
Jan 20 05:43:38 <zzing> Would it be correct to say that binutils and gcc both support this target out of the box?
Jan 20 05:43:52 <jay6981> well, it's cortex a8 so sure
Jan 20 05:44:20 <jay6981> armv7a is the instruction set
Jan 20 05:44:55 <zzing> ok, lets see first if I can figure out how to get the binutils for this going :-)
Jan 20 05:45:16 <jay6981> zzing: if you get into and you want to work together on something, look for me here
Jan 20 05:45:32 <jay6981> i want to make something a bit nicer than MS-DOS but that's a good start
Jan 20 05:45:44 <zzing> jay6981: Xenix then :P
Jan 20 05:49:08 <zzing> jay6981: I think this cross compiler might be a little bit different than the one I did yesterday. The targets for gcc seem to include elf, which is not exactly what I want (afaik)
Jan 20 05:49:49 <jay6981> you can't not use elf
Jan 20 05:49:59 <jay6981> you will convert it to a raw binary with objcopy
Jan 20 05:50:30 <zzing> ok, so it will be elf until the I fix it 
Jan 20 05:51:09 <jay6981> at least I don't know how to make the assembler not output elf
Jan 20 05:51:42 <jay6981> you know how to make a linker script?
Jan 20 05:52:54 <zzing> jay6981: I suspect the answer is no.
Jan 20 05:53:05 <jay6981> that's something you'll have to deal with
Jan 20 05:54:27 <jay6981> you know the arm7 is a 32bit address space, so you'll spend some time studying the memory map
Jan 20 05:54:49 <zzing> Can't be any worse than a PIC16
Jan 20 05:55:04 <jay6981> there's a lot of stuff on the omap SoC
Jan 20 05:55:10 <jay6981> way more than a pic :)
Jan 20 05:55:27 <zzing> Somebody just pointed this out: http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/10/28/st-micro-15-usd-stm32f4-discovery-cortex-m-development-kit/
Jan 20 05:55:42 <zzing> I am surprised to see somebody make a board that cheap
Jan 20 05:55:47 <jay6981> cortex m would be fun
Jan 20 05:56:01 <jay6981> i probably started with something a bit too powerful :)
Jan 20 05:56:05 <Russ> like I said, 32 bit uC
Jan 20 05:56:46 <zzing> Well there aren't exactly any middle of the road systems that still support the memory sizes I want
Jan 20 05:56:49 <ds2> Hmmmm... the EMIF seems to have more intelligence then the SDRC
Jan 20 05:57:04 <jay6981> the bone isn't going to be all that fast until you get the mmu and caches going so maybe you do want the M3
Jan 20 05:57:09 <jay6981> i dunno much about cortex m yet though
Jan 20 05:57:23 <jay6981> i figured it would be easy to learn after learning the A8
Jan 20 06:00:06 <jay6981> what I want to know is how you know what numbers to plug into the DPLLs… seems like magic to me
Jan 20 06:00:16 <Russ> trm?
Jan 20 06:00:24 <jay6981> some combinations work, some don't
Jan 20 06:00:32 <zzing> So just so I get this striaght, what is the difference between this stm32 cortex-m board and a full beagle board from a CPU perspective
Jan 20 06:00:33 <jay6981> TRM tells you the formulas. not what works and what doesn't
Jan 20 06:01:12 <jay6981> zzing: probably the virtual memory architecture mainly
Jan 20 06:02:17 <zzing> I suspect the beagle would have advantages from community that that evaluation board would have none of
Jan 20 06:02:31 <jay6981> well you have the full linux stack for reference
Jan 20 06:02:50 <zzing> true, but getting through it would be a nightmare :P
Jan 20 06:03:07 <jay6981> i find it amusing/enlightening
Jan 20 06:03:45 <jay6981> there are probably some more simple RTOS things to stufy
Jan 20 06:03:47 <jay6981> study
Jan 20 06:03:57 <zzing> That I would not be surprised by
Jan 20 06:04:00 <jay6981> i looked at one called FreeRTOS but they want you to pay for docs
Jan 20 06:04:05 <jay6981> so f that
Jan 20 06:04:16 <zzing> yeah :P
Jan 20 06:05:34 <jay6981> building a general purpose OS is a pretty daunting task
Jan 20 06:06:13 <jay6981> i specifically wanted to learn about the VM architecture, so i picked something with a full mmu
Jan 20 06:06:50 <zzing> heh
Jan 20 06:08:53 <zzing> Have you ever seen this? http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10106
Jan 20 06:09:09 <Russ> ya
Jan 20 06:09:12 <jay6981> no, but i heard of the chumby
Jan 20 06:10:07 <Russ> or you could just buy a chumby one
Jan 20 06:11:38 <jay6981> one plus for the TI stuff is that the docs are readily available
Jan 20 06:11:50 <jay6981> i don't know if freescale is that way as well
Jan 20 06:13:57 <zzing> They are the same cost at least
Jan 20 06:14:29 <jay6981> the bone is more powerful
Jan 20 06:14:54 <zzing> Are there any displays available that are compatible with the bone?
Jan 20 06:15:36 <jay6981> i think that jkridner had some 7" panel going
Jan 20 06:15:47 <jay6981> i don't know if that's available off the shell or what
Jan 20 06:17:35 <jay6981> there's a dvi "cape" for it 
Jan 20 06:20:49 <zzing> I have just started binutils compiling with a target of arm
Jan 20 06:21:17 <zzing> ok, that won't work :-)
Jan 20 06:21:47 <jay6981> try arm-none-eabi if you want C 
Jan 20 06:22:19 <jay6981> btw, there is no documentation for those target triples
Jan 20 06:22:27 <jay6981> you just have to know. so you're welcome :)
Jan 20 06:22:56 <zzing> :-)
Jan 20 06:30:41 <Russ> I really need a little 8 inch or so USB monitor for IRC and what not
Jan 20 06:30:50 <zzing> binutils!
Jan 20 06:31:35 <zzing> sweet: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/7834
Jan 20 06:32:00 <jay6981> there's another called flyswatter that looks good. 
Jan 20 06:32:02 <zzing> Surprises me how cheap it is
Jan 20 06:32:15 <Russ> for that much, I might try for one of the xilinx ones on e-bay..
Jan 20 06:32:17 <jay6981> don't know if anyone has a jtag debugger for bone yet
Jan 20 06:33:10 <jay6981> i did all my bootstrap work without the jtag, which might have sped things up
Jan 20 06:33:53 <Russ> although it is cool it has a serial port too
Jan 20 06:36:11 <zzing> That maple board looks nice for a 'raw' arm experience, too bad it has much less ram than I need :P
Jan 20 06:38:40 <zzing> Hmm, apparently it does exist: http://leaflabs.com/store/#Maple-Native
Jan 20 06:39:34 <zzing> "Maple Native, currently in beta, features similar hardware as the Maple, but diverges from the Arduino form factor and circuit board layout. ..."   Beware of the hardware called beta?
Jan 20 06:41:07 <jay6981> the bone is 5 bucks more and has a lot more ram
Jan 20 06:41:11 <jay6981> what's the problem? :)
Jan 20 06:41:20 <zzing> I am compiling gcc right now
Jan 20 06:41:38 <zzing> meaning not much else to do
Jan 20 06:41:52 <zzing> Although I am downloading qemu
Jan 20 06:42:23 <jay6981> the stm32 might be a bit more efficient though if you care about power
Jan 20 06:43:06 * Russ curses places that require password reset questions
Jan 20 06:43:25 <zzing> The main thing I am concerned about is ease of doing what I want to do.
Jan 20 06:43:33 <_av500_> Russ: your mothers sisters nephews maiden name?
Jan 20 06:43:46 <zzing> But I imagine that if I eventually get something I want going, 1MB might limit in the future
Jan 20 06:43:54 <Russ> its all stuff that is easily found, and gives full access to whoever answers them
Jan 20 06:44:03 <jay6981> you can run the bone without the mmu. it'll be slow, but it'll work like a uc
Jan 20 06:44:08 <Russ> I'll have to use pwgen for my mother's maiden name
Jan 20 06:44:22 <zzing> jay6981: How much ram without the mmu?
Jan 20 06:44:27 <jay6981> all of it
Jan 20 06:44:34 <zzing> Why would it be slow?
Jan 20 06:44:39 <jay6981> because no data cache
Jan 20 06:45:10 <jay6981> you have a massive cpu stall on every memory access
Jan 20 06:45:14 <jay6981> but you may not care
Jan 20 06:45:43 <Russ> yup, I was born in ohv7Xaew
Jan 20 06:45:50 <jay6981> heh
Jan 20 06:45:53 <zzing> jay6981: I bet it is faster than my 8086 was
Jan 20 06:45:58 <jay6981> indeed
Jan 20 06:46:48 <Russ> ooh, nice job pwgen, 'Shoomo6A', and 'zuDieL0W'
Jan 20 06:46:55 <zzing> Just remember what I am doing this for :-)
Jan 20 06:47:06 <jay6981> i forgot already
Jan 20 06:47:11 <zzing> By the way, what simple file systems exist that are better than FAT*?
Jan 20 06:47:20 <jay6981> define better
Jan 20 06:47:21 <Russ> romfs
Jan 20 06:47:34 <bones_was_here> ext2
Jan 20 06:48:07 <jay6981> the mask roms understand fat though :)
Jan 20 06:48:15 <jay6981> not romfs or ext2
Jan 20 06:48:26 <zzing> I was consideringt hat about fat
Jan 20 06:48:50 <zzing> So I go to compile omnet++, and the first file fails with... abspath.cc:62:38: error: ‘getcwd’ was not declared in this scope
Jan 20 06:50:20 <zzing> inserting #include <unistd.h> ...
Jan 20 06:50:36 <zzing> and fixed
Jan 20 06:51:01 <zzing> jay6981: Anything I should know about configuring qemu?
Jan 20 06:51:25 <jay6981> building it is not tricky
Jan 20 06:51:38 <jay6981> i used the linaro version
Jan 20 06:52:15 <zzing> linaro?
Jan 20 06:52:20 <zzing> Is that platform specific?
Jan 20 06:52:36 <jay6981> they had some more arm board emulation, iirc
Jan 20 06:52:42 <jay6981> specifically the overo i'm using
Jan 20 06:52:55 <zzing> hmm, this thing needs glib :P
Jan 20 06:53:25 <zzing> I am trying to compile three things at once, all big
Jan 20 06:53:41 <jay6981> you don't have a supercomputer?
Jan 20 06:54:19 <Russ> we all have supercomputers
Jan 20 06:54:21 <jay6981> even my laptop is nahalem quad core… that qualifies as a supercomputer in my book
Jan 20 06:54:27 <zzing> i5
Jan 20 06:54:45 <zzing> supercomputer is very generally above mainstream computers :P
Jan 20 06:55:52 <zzing> nice board: http://www.origenboard.org/
Jan 20 06:56:21 <jay6981> $200!
Jan 20 06:56:29 <jay6981> might as well get a panda
Jan 20 06:57:08 <zzing> ok, qemu-linaro - found it
Jan 20 06:57:30 <jay6981> ok. i need to go pay attention to my wife. ttyl. 
Jan 20 06:58:37 <zzing> ok :-)
Jan 20 07:00:50 <zzing> What does IGEP  mean?
Jan 20 07:01:04 <zzing> oh a specific board
Jan 20 07:22:27 <Russ> can someone do me a huge favor and give me a sanity check on a résumé?
Jan 20 07:31:33 <ds2> looking for a sanitorim in AZ? 
Jan 20 07:35:18 <tomba> suspend needs to be sanity checked first
Jan 20 07:36:18 <Russ> see, I put the accents there because I knew that everytime I see resume, I think suspend
Jan 20 07:36:40 <zzing> I can do it if you like
Jan 20 07:36:43 <tomba> I guessed that, but I tried to be funny nevertheless... I failed =(
Jan 20 07:41:00 <zzing> Russ: DCC will not work
Jan 20 07:41:16 <zzing> Should use dropbox or something for easier use
Jan 20 07:51:20 <zzing> hmm, building gcc.. checking for shl_load... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES. <-- this is in libstc++. But for a raw target, libstc++ would not want building correct?
Jan 20 08:01:44 <Russ> ya, I would just disable the build of all languages except c
Jan 20 08:02:53 <av500> Russ: nah, binutils is enough :)
Jan 20 08:03:10 <Russ> I suppose, if you want to be a "man" about it
Jan 20 08:03:29 <Russ> or more accurately, a "real man"
Jan 20 08:03:30 <zzing> Russ: i want c++ for its stronger type checking at the very least if I can get it
Jan 20 08:03:53 <Russ> you can get c to check pretty strongly
Jan 20 08:04:40 * av500 hands zzing a "cast"
Jan 20 08:05:12 <zzing> EEK
Jan 20 08:05:22 <zzing> casts are the devil's work!
Jan 20 08:05:28 <Russ> or are you talking about the extensive use of 'void *' in typical c designs
Jan 20 08:06:27 <av500> (void*)this
Jan 20 08:08:57 <zzing> C++ does make that mostly unnecessary
Jan 20 08:09:07 <zzing> But not necessarily on this level
Jan 20 08:09:12 <zzing> av500: static_cast!
Jan 20 08:09:29 <Russ> the linux kernel does a pretty good job of strongly typing things that most people just use void * for
Jan 20 08:09:30 * av500 kindly reminds zzing that it is the day after thursday
Jan 20 08:09:54 <ds2> C++ is a poor excuse for using dumb programmers
Jan 20 08:10:08 <zzing> ds2: ?
Jan 20 08:10:19 <Russ> ds2, what do you use them for?
Jan 20 08:10:25 <av500> quick, somebody get some NAND
Jan 20 08:10:26 <ds2> Russ: ballast
Jan 20 08:11:16 <Russ> Is that another word for "body for cost plus contract"
Jan 20 08:17:05 <ds2> whore?
Jan 20 08:18:52 <zzing> I hate qemu right now
Jan 20 08:19:09 <zzing> What is an int_t supposed to be??
Jan 20 08:19:21 <av500> typedef int int_t;
Jan 20 08:19:22 <ds2> zzing: typing is not a substitute for proper programmer discipline and skill
Jan 20 08:19:49 <av500> typedef int TIMM_OSAL_BOOL;
Jan 20 08:19:49 <ds2> more fun to have typedef char int_t; ;)
Jan 20 08:20:13 <av500> now imagine all the code full of TIMM_OSAL_ prefixes ....
Jan 20 08:20:24 <zzing> ds2: typing is an additional calculation aid.
Jan 20 08:20:32 <reisei> it's friday, do you remember?
Jan 20 08:20:36 <Russ> all you need is another shim and a compatibility layer
Jan 20 08:20:42 <Russ> then you never have to rewrite anything
Jan 20 08:20:58 <ds2> write once, debug many. 
Jan 20 08:21:54 <zzing> Friday means nothing to me
Jan 20 08:22:13 <Russ> who is ksrini
Jan 20 08:22:57 <Russ> #define SUCCESS 0, #define NO_SUCCESS -1, #define ERROR 1, #define TRUE 0, #define FALSE 1, #define URGENT_MESSAGE 2, #define NORMAL_MESSAGE 1
Jan 20 08:23:11 <zzing> Those are best as const 
Jan 20 08:23:38 <ds2> sounds perfectly normal defines
Jan 20 08:23:45 <ds2> blah
Jan 20 08:24:10 <av500> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/What_Is_Truth_0x3f_.aspx
Jan 20 08:24:13 <zzing> C preprocessor is not a substitute for good typed constant 
Jan 20 08:24:31 <Russ> wtf is the difference between NO_SUCCESS and ERROR
Jan 20 08:25:02 <tomba> speaking of defines, I remember the best gems from symbian code: #define K_ONE 1   #define K_TWO 2  and so on, up to 31
Jan 20 08:25:18 <av500> Russ: NO_SUCCESS  is when she declines, ERROR is when she hits you too
Jan 20 08:25:56 <Russ> not to mention that to use them, you have to know what the function returns on error, defeating the whole purpose of the define in the first place
Jan 20 08:26:26 <reisei> zzing: it's the day of the week, dude :)
Jan 20 08:26:59 <Russ> arghhh!! redefines of everything in errno, 'TIMM_OSAL_ERR_TIMEOUT'
Jan 20 08:27:33 <Russ> and really, "#define SWITCH_CASE(_Case, _ErrCode, _ErrMsg)"?
Jan 20 08:27:48 <Russ> is writing c so hard that we have to make a language on top of it?
Jan 20 08:27:57 <zzing> qemu: error: global register variables are not      supported  WTF!!!
Jan 20 08:29:45 <Russ> what does mm_osal do anyway?
Jan 20 08:30:50 <av500> TI = TI MM = multimedia OSAL = OS abstraction layer
Jan 20 08:30:53 <av500> fun, eh?
Jan 20 08:31:04 <av500> because I guess the non-MM OSAL is totally different
Jan 20 08:31:16 <av500> for MM, BOOLs are painted in fancy colors....
Jan 20 08:31:18 <Russ> I figured it must be one of those pieces of code that actually does nothing
Jan 20 08:49:11 <zzing> I BUILT QEMU !!
Jan 20 08:49:45 <Russ> neato, I apt-get installed it so I could watch netflix
Jan 20 08:50:24 <zzing> haha
Jan 20 08:50:30 <zzing> Gcc isn't quite done yet
Jan 20 08:52:05 <Russ> openembedded?
Jan 20 08:52:13 <zzing> eh?
Jan 20 08:53:09 <Russ> ah, so you aren't using openembedded
Jan 20 08:54:36 <zzing> not anything linux no
Jan 20 08:55:19 <zzing> The idea is to have a toolchain for beagle (bone) and emulate uboot on qemu
Jan 20 08:57:18 <zzing> I do have to give up c++ though :-(
Jan 20 09:00:00 <av500> why?
Jan 20 09:01:48 <zzing> The standard library seems to fail to link, something about no post link tests allowed
Jan 20 09:02:01 <zzing> right now I just want this thing to have some compiler
Jan 20 09:03:06 <zzing> I will look into it tomorrow likelty
Jan 20 09:05:11 <Russ> Its been a long time since I've built directly from source (no openembedded, no crosstool)
Jan 20 09:05:25 <Russ> but I remember to get all the other languages was a 2 stage process
Jan 20 09:05:31 <Russ> build a gcc that has c support
Jan 20 09:05:44 <Russ> and use that to build a gcc that has wider language support
Jan 20 09:16:53 <zzing>  I have built more gccs in the last week than any other time :P
Jan 20 09:28:28 <zzing> hmm, not even plain C compiles
Jan 20 09:28:50 <zzing> This thing I think is trying to build a standard library
Jan 20 09:33:34 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: ping
Jan 20 09:51:13 <koen> Crofton|work: checksums match for qmake2 here, but it's inserting the -m64 again :(
Jan 20 10:04:14 <tasslehoffwrk> I need to make an almost-off mode. Shutting down everything(?) except VIO_18V which is used to charge external equipment. In that mode I must read some I2C registers to figure out when the charging is done, and then trigger a shutdown. Does that sound doable? Perhaps by writing a clever TWL4030_SLEEP_SCRIPT?
Jan 20 10:06:11 <zzing> This is a very interesting project: http://www.olimex.com/dev/duinomite-mega.html
Jan 20 10:09:25 <av500> zzing: why?
Jan 20 10:09:51 <zzing> av500: Because they basically created a computer
Jan 20 10:10:08 * av500 sits down
Jan 20 10:10:48 <zzing> Something like I would like to do actually.
Jan 20 12:29:20 <Crofton|work> koen, the checksums I saw matched the 4.4.3 recipe
Jan 20 12:29:49 <Crofton|work> hopefully bluelightening can sort out the qt build process so the recipe can go awya
Jan 20 12:33:30 <koen> Crofton|work: you broke angstrom in meta-ettus, so I removed the layer from setupscripts
Jan 20 12:42:50 <Crofton|work> ok
Jan 20 12:43:04 <Crofton|work> so, how do bsps have their own u-boot?
Jan 20 12:43:22 <koen> Crofton|work: I BCC:'d you on my proposal for meta-ti :)
Jan 20 12:43:31 <Crofton|work> ok
Jan 20 12:43:48 <koen> Crofton|work: I think the party line is "bbappend", but that's not going to work for uboot
Jan 20 12:43:54 <Crofton|work> u-boot is farily sensitive, since regressions creep in, so I need to have an iron fist over what ships
Jan 20 12:44:19 * Crofton|work notes that 2011.12 leads to no l2 cache on omap3
Jan 20 12:44:35 <koen> yeah, I need to fix that in meta-ti :)
Jan 20 12:44:37 <Crofton|work> due to omap4 guy sending in pacth and not checking what happens on omap3
Jan 20 12:44:42 * koen fires up git rebase
Jan 20 12:48:53 <vsr> why is the flag I2C_CLIENT_WAKE used in i2c board info structure?
Jan 20 12:50:21 <sakoman_> tasslehoffwrk: pong
Jan 20 12:56:26 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: hi. I'm revisiting PM/suspend stuff for our board, and thought I'd ask you which kernel you would recommend. I've started using omap-2.6.39-pm from your repo.
Jan 20 12:57:23 <sakoman_> tasslehoffwrk: the 3.0-pm is perhaps a bit better
Jan 20 12:58:30 <sakoman_> but IMHO omap pm in upstream is still far from "done" or even "good enough"
Jan 20 13:01:16 <av500> isnt it that time of the year where PM is being rewritten?
Jan 20 13:02:21 <koen> omap PM is a leapfrog effort
Jan 20 13:02:41 <koen> when a patchset is nearly working it gets rebased/rewritten/forward ported
Jan 20 13:04:03 <av500> just use wakelocks
Jan 20 13:04:48 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: ok. perhaps I should test that one as well.
Jan 20 13:05:40 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: not good enough means that it doesn't use little enough power, or that it just doesn't work?
Jan 20 13:05:57 <sakoman_> tasslehoffwrk: yes, both
Jan 20 13:06:31 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: if I can only get the stuff you mentioned in your article working, that would be enough for me.
Jan 20 13:06:50 <sakoman_> do you use musb on your board?
Jan 20 13:08:12 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: kind of. we have an sms95xx onboard that is the sole user of musb
Jan 20 13:08:41 <sakoman_> you are likely to have issues getting into full supend then
Jan 20 13:10:27 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: I believe either musb or ehci was what stopped me the last time, but don't remember which. was just about to start removing stuff now. I get: Powerdomain (core_pwrdm) didn't enter target state 1
Jan 20 13:11:08 <sakoman_> disable musb and ehci and see if that works
Jan 20 13:11:49 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: yes. my suspend will actually always lead to a shutdown, so I hope I can work my way around issues.
Jan 20 13:12:01 <tasslehoffwrk> that sounded odd :)
Jan 20 13:12:27 <sakoman_> yeah, if so just go right to shutdown :-)
Jan 20 13:15:52 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: I need to go to a low power mode where the VIO_18V is still working, since it will be charging external equipment. When charging is done I will shut down.
Jan 20 13:16:18 <sakoman_> tasslehoffwrk: ah, makes sense
Jan 20 13:18:25 <Crofton|work> koen, I am subscribed to meta-ti
Jan 20 13:20:24 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: my hope is that since I don't need to recover from suspend I can hack my way to low power :)
Jan 20 13:21:03 <av500> Crofton|work: meta-subscribed?
Jan 20 13:21:04 <sakoman_> usb is likely to be your biggest challenge
Jan 20 13:21:19 * av500 does not have fond memories of usb suspend
Jan 20 13:21:48 * av500 is amazed that EHCI can be broken for 4ys straight and across 2 major CPU archs
Jan 20 13:22:03 <av500> and across 4 actual parts
Jan 20 13:23:32 * sakoman_ is no longer amazed
Jan 20 13:23:45 <sakoman_> just annoyed
Jan 20 13:23:57 <av500> oh, we are pretty pissed of
Jan 20 13:24:02 <av500> off
Jan 20 13:25:21 <av500> tasslehoffwrk: if everything else fails, you can just power down the sms95xx and stop EHCI
Jan 20 13:25:32 <av500> and then set it back up upon resume
Jan 20 13:25:39 <koen> it took 3 weeks to get them to understand that plugging in a device into a host port port is supposed to work 
Jan 20 13:25:49 <av500> but its ugly if you want to keep devices enumerated 
Jan 20 13:26:07 <koen> and at the end only that works, replugging it is broken
Jan 20 13:26:23 <av500> koen: but yours is not EHIC
Jan 20 13:26:28 <av500> so, get back in line
Jan 20 13:26:43 <av500> who cares for your arduinomap :)
Jan 20 13:27:12 <sakoman_> av500: I've stopped taking pm jobs, too much aggravation
Jan 20 13:27:37 <av500> sakoman_: usb, pm, sgx, soon you will be out of possible jobs :)
Jan 20 13:28:17 <sakoman_> av500: this is a big wide world of embedded out there -- even a whole non-omap world!
Jan 20 13:28:24 <av500> thats ture
Jan 20 13:28:25 <av500> true
Jan 20 13:28:29 <sakoman_> s/this/there/
Jan 20 13:28:44 <av500> sakoman_: let me forward you some RockChip contacts
Jan 20 13:36:15 <sakoman_> av500: are you attending ELC next month?
Jan 20 13:36:53 <av500> sakoman_: found nobody to pay my a plane
Jan 20 13:36:56 <av500> me
Jan 20 13:37:04 <sakoman_> :-(
Jan 20 13:37:10 * mru did
Jan 20 13:37:29 * av500 buries mur under some blueprints
Jan 20 13:37:31 <av500> mru too
Jan 20 13:39:02 <koen> sakoman_: will you be attending elc?
Jan 20 13:39:20 <sakoman_> koen: yes
Jan 20 13:40:33 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: if that works, I'm happy :)
Jan 20 13:40:56 <av500> but its ugly if you want to keep devices enumerated 
Jan 20 13:41:26 <av500> like we did to have the hdd all the time
Jan 20 13:41:59 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: I don't have to
Jan 20 13:44:52 <tasslehoffwrk> removing all usb support I can suspend. now I just need to convince management that we don't need usb and networking
Jan 20 13:45:46 <koen> tasslehoffwrk: does rmmod'ing the usb drivers work as well?
Jan 20 13:46:38 <tasslehoffwrk> koen: I hope so, but they are not modules by default I think, so I must menuconfig a bit.
Jan 20 13:47:40 <sakoman_> tasslehoffwrk: there is some fundamental breakage in musb pm, so unloading modules is unlikely to help
Jan 20 13:48:39 <sakoman_> I've had some discussions with khillman about this, and he sees the same
Jan 20 13:48:51 <sakoman_> he made a few attempts to get it working
Jan 20 13:49:03 <sakoman_> see http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/khilman/linux-omap-pm.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/backports/v3.0/musb
Jan 20 13:49:16 <sakoman_> but that didn't work for me either
Jan 20 13:49:40 <bonebone> hi
Jan 20 13:55:00 <bonebone> i modified the beaglebone kernel to activate the lcd, now i can see with the scope that clk,vsync,hsync and den are working, but the lcd doesn't display anything , is it normal when the timing is wrong or i should have some noise in the lcd, it's the first time i work with a lcd-tft, thx
Jan 20 13:56:02 <bonebone> perhaps it's the dfp connector, it's tinny with its 0.5 mm pitch, and perhaps it's not arriving the signals to the lcd
Jan 20 13:56:23 <bonebone> anyone can help?
Jan 20 13:57:37 <av500> did you check the signals against the LCD data sheet?
Jan 20 13:58:02 <bonebone> no
Jan 20 13:58:08 <av500> then do that
Jan 20 13:58:15 <bonebone> i only see the clock is 30Mhz ,it's ok
Jan 20 13:58:28 <bonebone> i only want to know if i should see noise
Jan 20 13:58:49 <av500> unless you make the LCD like you, you wont see anything
Jan 20 13:59:13 <bonebone> ahaps, thx av500
Jan 20 13:59:34 <bonebone> if i get this thing working is because your help ;)
Jan 20 13:59:44 <av500> as said before, check the LCD data sheet vs what you have set up
Jan 20 14:00:43 <bonebone> time to go to the scope then
Jan 20 14:01:05 <bonebone> the signals are look like the datasheet but i didn't analize 
Jan 20 14:01:11 <bonebone> them
Jan 20 14:01:58 <bonebone> av500: did you ever listen about the tft-lcd that don't use hsync and vsync?
Jan 20 14:02:23 <av500> sure
Jan 20 14:02:37 <av500> e.g. the ones that have their own framebuffer
Jan 20 14:03:06 <bonebone> but my lcd doesn't have framebuffer
Jan 20 14:03:49 <bonebone> its interface is rgb,den,clk, it's like it syntethize hsync and vsync with den
Jan 20 14:04:25 <bonebone> it's a very cheap lcd, i don't think it has memory
Jan 20 14:08:00 <bonebone> and another question, but don't laugh loudly :) , the bus cable that goes to the dfp connector can be put upwards and downwards?, that little bastard is getting me crazy
Jan 20 14:08:25 <av500> ?
Jan 20 14:09:53 <bonebone> i don't know if the flat cable that goes to the dfp connector the metal pins stripped in the plastic goes upward or downwards
Jan 20 14:10:53 <bonebone> i have broken one connector putting the flat cable, now i must make another pcb
Jan 20 14:10:55 <bonebone> :(
Jan 20 14:11:02 <av500> use less force
Jan 20 14:14:34 <bonebone> and i forgot, the last question av500, is it normal that the clock signal (aprox 30 Mhz) is almost triangular? perhaps it's an effect of the scope probe?
Jan 20 14:15:13 <av500> could be
Jan 20 14:16:01 <bonebone> ok then, going to the scope, thanks a lot
Jan 20 14:21:08 <VIggi> hello
Jan 20 14:21:09 <VIggi> "D
Jan 20 14:24:54 <vig> hey
Jan 20 14:25:11 <vig> i got my beaglebone jst nw
Jan 20 14:25:14 <vig> :D
Jan 20 14:25:20 <vig> and well i unboxed it
Jan 20 14:25:28 <vig> i am totally a noob to this
Jan 20 14:25:40 <vig> how do i get started on windows?
Jan 20 14:26:07 <vig> ?
Jan 20 14:26:24 <av500> read
Jan 20 14:26:25 <av500> a lot
Jan 20 14:27:00 <vig> ?
Jan 20 14:27:02 <vig> wer?
Jan 20 14:27:09 <mru> ubuntu.com
Jan 20 14:27:39 <vig> well so can i get started on windows>
Jan 20 14:27:56 <vig> the cloud 9 IDE and stuff
Jan 20 14:28:18 <mru> isn't that javascript in a browser?
Jan 20 14:30:00 <vig> ?
Jan 20 14:30:07 <vig> guyz plz explain
Jan 20 14:30:39 <av500> vig: 1) find a computer
Jan 20 14:30:42 <av500> 2) find google
Jan 20 14:30:47 <av500> 3) enter: beaglebone
Jan 20 14:30:50 <av500> 4) press search
Jan 20 14:30:56 <av500> 5) see the result and read a few
Jan 20 14:31:21 <vig> thanks i never knew these :D
Jan 20 14:31:28 <av500> apparently
Jan 20 14:33:58 <bonebone> vig: http://beagleboard.org/static/BONESRM_latest.pdf
Jan 20 14:35:22 <bonebone> the cloud9 stuff i think you can download from ti, but i don't know anything of making it work from windoze
Jan 20 14:35:24 <vig> kk :D
Jan 20 14:37:14 <bonebone> then if you are going to try the angstrom distribution read about openembedded and bitbake, i have been reading and playing four days, the information is fragmentated but everything is there
Jan 20 14:37:18 <av500> bonebone: it runs in a browser
Jan 20 14:37:23 <av500> windows can browse
Jan 20 14:37:32 <bonebone> jajajjaja
Jan 20 14:38:07 <bonebone> javascript rules
Jan 20 14:40:00 <bonebone> i am from old school
Jan 20 14:40:33 <vig> geez i just wish there was a book abt these
Jan 20 14:40:33 <vig> im 11th grade 
Jan 20 14:42:40 <av500> soon there will be iBook
Jan 20 14:43:23 <bonebone> av500: do you work for ti?
Jan 20 14:43:24 <av500> vig: insert the sdcard into the bone and power it up
Jan 20 14:43:34 <vig> done
Jan 20 14:43:35 <av500> then connect the ethernet to your home router
Jan 20 14:43:46 <vig> im working wid Hyperterminal
Jan 20 14:43:49 <vig> :D
Jan 20 14:43:52 <av500> bonebone: no
Jan 20 14:43:53 <mru> uh oh
Jan 20 14:44:21 <vig> av500 thanks chum
Jan 20 14:46:22 <vig> got hyperterminal connected to beagle
Jan 20 14:46:25 <vig> now wat?
Jan 20 14:46:25 <bonebone> av500: i see plenty of beagle boards in your flickr account, jaja
Jan 20 14:46:50 <av500> vig: you see anything on hyperterm?
Jan 20 14:46:56 <vig> nope
Jan 20 14:47:05 <vig> i setup baud rate and all stuff
Jan 20 14:47:12 <vig> i get a blank page
Jan 20 14:47:18 <av500> press a key
Jan 20 14:47:39 <bonebone> av500: and a lot of lcd's, now i understand you know a little about these, jeje
Jan 20 14:48:49 <vig> jeez i dont understand the hyperterminal
Jan 20 14:48:55 <vig> wat do u do wid it?
Jan 20 14:48:55 * LetoThe2nd thinks everything one says to av500 should endwith j$VOWELj$VOWEL.
Jan 20 14:49:10 <LetoThe2nd> av500: how are you today? juju
Jan 20 14:52:59 <vig> how do i get started wid hyperterminal?
Jan 20 14:53:22 * mru things vig should learn to spell before doing anything else
Jan 20 14:53:31 <mru> *thinks
Jan 20 14:54:16 <LetoThe2nd> mru: i resisted the urge this time ;)
Jan 20 14:54:56 <mru> I resisted it for a full half hour
Jan 20 14:55:40 <bonebone> LetoThe2nd: nice to meet you, i can see you are so helpful
Jan 20 14:55:40 <aholler> it's freedai
Jan 20 14:57:10 <LetoThe2nd> bonebone: sorry, i really didn't mean to.
Jan 20 14:57:29 <vig> ?
Jan 20 14:57:38 <vig> help here?
Jan 20 14:58:19 <av500> vig: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Jan 20 14:58:32 <vig> thanks
Jan 20 14:58:51 <vig> :/
Jan 20 14:58:58 <LetoThe2nd> vig: and http://en.spellcheck.cc/
Jan 20 14:59:18 <vig> i thought it was tut on beaglebone and hyperterminal
Jan 20 14:59:31 <vig> rude of you folks :P
Jan 20 15:00:20 <LetoThe2nd> i actually think i have some old "rude boys" tape here. time to listen to it :)
Jan 20 15:00:27 <av500> tut tut tut, die Eisenbahn......
Jan 20 15:01:16 <LetoThe2nd> sry, german: "du hast doch von tuten und blasen keine ahnung." - "wie geht denn tuten?"
Jan 20 15:01:23 <vig> hmm but hey i am really caught up with the hyper terminal
Jan 20 15:01:56 <LetoThe2nd> vig: use sane software. hyperterminal does _NOT_ count as "sane"
Jan 20 15:02:22 <vig> the readme suggested Hyperterminal
Jan 20 15:03:08 <LetoThe2nd> i do not
Jan 20 15:03:12 <vig> kk
Jan 20 15:03:26 <vig> be kind enough to suggest me one
Jan 20 15:03:36 <av500> HT is fine for a start
Jan 20 15:03:53 <av500> you installed the ftdi drivers?
Jan 20 15:04:02 <av500> press the RESET button on the bone
Jan 20 15:04:08 <av500> you should see stuff in hyperterm
Jan 20 15:04:14 <LetoThe2nd> if it hast to be windows, use at least putty.
Jan 20 15:04:21 <vig> kk
Jan 20 15:05:05 <LetoThe2nd> vig: is your 'k'-key broken? it seems to bounce.
Jan 20 15:05:49 <vig> nah its my habit "okay okay"
Jan 20 15:08:05 <av500> your okay key is bouncing too
Jan 20 15:08:16 <LetoThe2nd> av500: heheh jöjö
Jan 20 15:09:06 <vig> so hey i wanted to ask this also 
Jan 20 15:09:26 <vig> can i run both a CCS code and linux in the beagle at same time
Jan 20 15:09:36 <av500> what is a CCS code?
Jan 20 15:10:01 <vig> Code Composer Studio?
Jan 20 15:10:40 <av500> I know what CCS is
Jan 20 15:10:57 <koen> CasCading Sheet?
Jan 20 15:12:03 <LetoThe2nd> Concentrated Corn Schnapps
Jan 20 15:14:22 <av500> Carneval Club Sachsen
Jan 20 15:15:55 <mru> Continental Chef Supplies
Jan 20 15:15:56 <LetoThe2nd> those last to might go very well together ;)
Jan 20 15:16:53 <vig> Carbon capture and storage
Jan 20 15:17:27 <vig> Coded Character Set
Jan 20 15:18:23 <av500> Carefully Crafted Sarcasm
Jan 20 15:18:45 <LetoThe2nd> av500: good one jeje
Jan 20 15:18:56 <av500> jöjö
Jan 20 15:25:34 <mdp> sakoman_: I take it from your g+ comment that you'll be at elc
Jan 20 15:37:33 <vig> hey
Jan 20 15:47:50 <vig> av500 ?
Jan 20 15:47:52 <vig> der?
Jan 20 15:58:08 <vig> hi
Jan 20 15:58:26 <vig> i am working on windows i need help to program my beaglebone
Jan 20 16:08:37 <vig> ?
Jan 20 16:09:48 <LetoThe2nd> vig: sorry, but in the linux and community world, it doesn't work like that. you don't go somewhere and say "hey i use windows, i have no clue, now help me everybody."
Jan 20 16:10:58 <LetoThe2nd> vig: it works like this: you read up on the thing yourself. you use adequate tools/software (e.g. preferably linux). when you are stuck, you ask a precise question, showing that you have done your homework and asking for some hints where to proceed, but not for a babysitter.
Jan 20 16:11:00 <vig> i tried out the instrucion given in Readme for windows
Jan 20 16:11:59 <vig> Well ok here's the precise question 
Jan 20 16:13:21 <vig> I used Hyper terminal and set up a COM port with the right baudrate 
Jan 20 16:13:22 <vig> and set up a connection
Jan 20 16:13:35 <vig> i dont see anything in the screen of the terminal
Jan 20 16:14:05 <vig> so well i am confused here help me *IF* u can
Jan 20 16:15:27 <LetoThe2nd> vig: i already told you i do no recommend hyperterminal. i do not know much about it and i cannot support it. use sane software, like putty. besides that, you have already been asked if you have installed the drivers properly, and you have been told a procedure. have you tried and verified that?
Jan 20 16:16:13 <vig> i installed all driver which came with the SD card
Jan 20 16:16:15 <vig> *drivers
Jan 20 16:17:19 <vig> and im gettin putty now
Jan 20 16:17:49 <LetoThe2nd> vig: does the com device show up correctly?
Jan 20 16:18:17 <vig> yep
Jan 20 16:18:49 <vig> Linux File-CD Gadget USB Device
Jan 20 16:18:57 <vig> tats its name
Jan 20 16:24:53 <LetoThe2nd> then i'd suggest again like said before. get putty, open the port, press reset.
Jan 20 16:26:32 <vig> LetoThe2nd : got putty
Jan 20 16:32:42 <vig> LetoThe2nd : wat now
Jan 20 16:32:56 <vig> i connected it with the com port and reset
Jan 20 16:33:10 <vig> and it still has a blank terminal
Jan 20 16:34:04 <LetoThe2nd> vig: then you are doing something wrong.
Jan 20 16:34:19 <LetoThe2nd> vig: the sd card it was delivered with is inserted?
Jan 20 16:34:51 <vig> yep
Jan 20 16:35:17 <vig> it reads as BEAGLE_BONE
Jan 20 16:35:23 <vig> when i connect it to my PC
Jan 20 16:37:21 <LetoThe2nd> vig: any lights blinking on the bone after you press reset?
Jan 20 16:37:41 <vig> after 2secs
Jan 20 16:37:49 <vig> and my PC goes beep
Jan 20 16:38:01 <vig> and the SD card gets detected
Jan 20 16:38:23 <LetoThe2nd> vig: tell me the com port settings please
Jan 20 16:39:13 <LetoThe2nd> vig: you mean when the sd card is in the beaglebone, you reset it, and some seconds later it show up as a removable storage on your system?
Jan 20 16:39:40 <vig> COM port settings?
Jan 20 16:39:46 <vig> ok baud rate 115200
Jan 20 16:40:59 <vig> i reset with the SD card in the board
Jan 20 16:41:14 <vig> and it shows up as removable disk
Jan 20 16:41:19 <vig> after reset
Jan 20 16:41:34 <vig> my COM port is 3
Jan 20 16:41:51 <LetoThe2nd> vig: then your board is functional, because the storage gadget driver is loaded.
Jan 20 16:42:07 <vig> hmmm so wat shud i do?
Jan 20 16:42:27 <vig> i am trying to reset my COM settings
Jan 20 16:42:31 <LetoThe2nd> vig: i have no idea where you messed up on the console, but i also have no idea about debugging that on windows, and remotely, and without proper tools.
Jan 20 16:42:33 <vig> hope it works
Jan 20 16:42:59 <vig> hmmmm cygin is good?
Jan 20 16:43:11 <vig> *cwygin
Jan 20 16:43:38 <vig> i heard its linus emulator
Jan 20 16:43:43 <vig> *linux
Jan 20 16:44:19 <LetoThe2nd> it is not.
Jan 20 16:44:41 <vig> ok i am going to try frm my laptop having ubuntu
Jan 20 16:45:01 <vig> wats the procedure for linux?
Jan 20 16:45:08 <vig> geez i wish if i can do it with my phone
Jan 20 16:45:10 <vig> :/
Jan 20 16:45:29 <vig> its a dev phone (Nexus 1)
Jan 20 16:50:51 <vig> ?
Jan 20 16:50:56 <vig> DER bro?
Jan 20 16:59:40 * mranostay scrolls up
Jan 20 17:00:41 <bonebone> vig: in linux there are many ways, one using the usbnet driver that is in the bone is, eject /dev/sdb <--depends on your hardware, then you will have a new ethernet port in linux, then ifconfig eth1 192.168.7.1 <---eth1 depends on hardware, then ssh -l root 192.168.7.2 , then intro, and you are in
Jan 20 17:01:33 <bonebone> another is with minicom or gtkterm, put 115200 bauds,and ttyUSB1 and you are in
Jan 20 17:01:50 <sabesto> hm, just booted my xM for the first time, but it doesnt recognice "sudo" as a command, what do?
Jan 20 17:02:04 <jay6981> su -?
Jan 20 17:02:20 <LetoThe2nd> sabesto: coming from ubuntu you are, young padawan?
Jan 20 17:02:30 <sabesto> yes
Jan 20 17:02:42 <LetoThe2nd> sabesto: running what distribution you are?
Jan 20 17:03:00 <sabesto> i'm just looking at examples with the angstrom distr, and they use both sudo and apt-get
Jan 20 17:03:25 <sabesto> angstrom
Jan 20 17:03:35 <sabesto> what came with it on the SD card
Jan 20 17:07:34 <sabesto> guess i need to make my own distro anyway
Jan 20 17:09:27 <Mojito> There is an Angstrom IRC channel.  Maybe ask there
Jan 20 17:12:29 <sabesto> i found the opkg command, now i can tinker around a bit
Jan 20 17:15:40 <aholler> hmm, someone has many brothers ;)
Jan 20 17:22:18 <JT_> I have tried 3 beaglebones via a network cable and none will connect to my computer.  I have tried it with Ubunut 10 and 11, WinXP pro, and Windows 7
Jan 20 17:23:23 <JT_> I have also tried to connect via USB with the supplied drivers for windows to no avail.
Jan 20 17:24:11 <thurbad> you're connecting directly between computers with a ethernet cable... patch or crossover?
Jan 20 17:25:13 <jay6981> most computers have AutoMDI phys that can deal with either type of cable
Jan 20 17:25:45 <prpplague> anyone using a trainer board with beagleboard?
Jan 20 18:45:41 <spacecolonyone> woot, finally up with a console image and it just so happens it is linux 3.0.17 which is > 2.6.38. Now on to basic utilities and toolchain
Jan 20 18:53:42 * Crofton|work is going skiing
Jan 20 18:53:47 <Crofton|work> in the rain apparently .....
Jan 20 19:16:20 <koen> mru: did the bone already arrive?
Jan 20 19:34:31 <mru> koen: yeah, got it today
Jan 20 19:35:02 <mranostay> TMI
Jan 20 19:35:39 <JDmgc> Oh dear...
Jan 20 19:36:38 <mru> koen: now I wouldn't call a week after sending "already"
Jan 20 19:36:38 <mdp> heh
Jan 20 19:37:20 <mranostay> mdp: guess who JDmgc is :)
Jan 20 19:37:51 <Russ> mentor graphics?
Jan 20 19:37:59 <mdp> hi JDmgc, long time no see
Jan 20 19:38:16 <JDmgc> mdp: Yeah, mranostay brought me in to corrupt the channel.   :-)
Jan 20 19:38:21 <Russ> I'm guessing its not Korn
Jan 20 19:38:57 <JDmgc> Russ:   Nah.   If I sang even the roaches wouldn't survive...
Jan 20 19:39:04 <mranostay> hahaha
Jan 20 19:39:08 <mdp> JDmgc, best of luck with that :)
Jan 20 19:39:21 <mranostay> Russ: he hates that btw :)
Jan 20 19:39:25 <mdp> JDmgc, though I believe you could be a contributor
Jan 20 19:39:55 <mdp> I will continue to be the corruptee
Jan 20 19:39:59 <Russ> its like office space all over again
Jan 20 19:40:33 <mru> one more troll will hardly make much of a dent in this channel
Jan 20 19:41:11 * mdp cradles his red swingline lovingly
Jan 20 19:41:42 <mdp> for some reason the thing is loaded with staples…yet I never have a use for it…except as a reminder of my role in the company
Jan 20 19:48:07 <jay6981> you work in the basement and aren't getting paid?
Jan 20 19:49:11 <mdp> I do work in the basement :)
Jan 20 19:52:06 <nbAppareo> I'm having trouble with the BeagleBone's FTDI interface. I've tried the drivers included on the SD card, the drivers on BeagleBone.org, and the FTDI drivers. Nothing works in Windows. I then tried on a Linux machine and tried to connect to ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 with screen and minicom with no luck. Does anyone have a link describing how to get this working? Thanks.
Jan 20 19:52:12 <mranostay> mdp: Storage Room B?
Jan 20 20:08:58 * mranostay scrolls through the ELC talk list
Jan 20 20:09:21 <mru> find anything trollable?
Jan 20 20:10:03 <_av500_> or anything tollerable
Jan 20 20:10:18 <Russ> mru, anything systemd or journal
Jan 20 20:11:15 <mranostay> mru: would i troll? :)
Jan 20 20:12:01 <_av500_> Russ: i heard after systemd and journald, the next thing to go binary blob is the console
Jan 20 20:12:32 <Russ> ?
Jan 20 20:12:48 <_av500_> all that human readable text must go
Jan 20 20:13:03 <_av500_> skynetd
Jan 20 20:13:04 <mranostay> heh
Jan 20 20:13:18 <Russ> there is talk about gutting a lot of the console subsystem in the kernel
Jan 20 20:13:25 <_av500_> see
Jan 20 20:13:34 <Russ> _av500_, really, you'd need the falling matrix characters
Jan 20 20:13:37 <_av500_> but i warned ya!
Jan 20 20:13:56 <_av500_> oh, and registryd
Jan 20 20:16:33 <Russ> is TI going to scale 10x?
Jan 20 20:30:07 <jt_> I am having a hard time getting my beaglebone ethernet connection to work
Jan 20 20:33:04 <jt_> I can access the mass storage gadget and load the drivers, but my computer does not recognize the USB/Ethernet gadget
Jan 20 20:34:29 <jt_> I have tried using just the ethernet cable as well
Jan 20 20:37:18 <djlewis> hmmm
Jan 20 21:20:00 * jkridner_ wonders how things are shaping up for SCaLE
Jan 20 21:20:20 <jkridner_> hi Russ.  Tartarus is going to be there.
Jan 20 21:20:55 <jkridner_> calculus and ka6sox-away should have a couple of BeagleBones for give-aways at the show.  I'm letting them work out the details.
Jan 20 21:21:18 <Russ> cool, I'll be there
Jan 20 21:29:05 <ds2> Russ: thought you were going to LA the following week?
Jan 20 21:29:42 <mru> ds2: jkridner_: either of you coming to elc btw?
Jan 20 21:30:07 <jkridner_> mru: yup, I'll be at ELC.
Jan 20 21:30:46 <mru> seems like it'll be as big a gathering of trolls as always
Jan 20 21:31:00 <ds2> I'll be at ELC
Jan 20 21:31:01 <Russ> ds2, ya, decided I need to make it out to scale
Jan 20 21:31:02 <jkridner_> just booked my tickets.  needs to be confirmed, but I suspect koen will be there as well.
Jan 20 21:31:11 <jkridner_> I see ds2 has a session.
Jan 20 21:31:16 <ds2> schedule is up?
Jan 20 21:31:20 <jkridner_> yu[
Jan 20 21:31:21 <mru> koen says he's giving a talk
Jan 20 21:31:22 <jkridner_> er, yup.
Jan 20 21:31:26 <mru> guess that means he'll be there
Jan 20 21:31:43 <Russ> ds2, its not a bad drive
Jan 20 21:31:43 <Russ> elc is a bad drive...
Jan 20 21:31:59 <ds2> Russ: parking stinks at scale
Jan 20 21:32:10 <ds2> Russ: you staying at the Scale hotel?
Jan 20 21:32:14 <mru> why drive when you can fly?
Jan 20 21:32:26 <Russ> ds2, brother in-law's house in irvine
Jan 20 21:32:31 <mru> also, driving across the atlantic isn't much fun
Jan 20 21:32:55 <ds2> Russ: heh, nice... I'd be staying in OC myself if I went
Jan 20 21:33:10 <woglinde> hm fosdem is in 3 weeks
Jan 20 21:33:12 <ds2> mru: you drive north til it can't get anymore north and then come down south ;)
Jan 20 21:33:17 <mru> woglinde: 2 weeks
Jan 20 21:33:29 <ds2> everything in Feb/Jan is so F'ed
Jan 20 21:33:51 <mru> woglinde: you coming?
Jan 20 21:33:55 <woglinde> yes
Jan 20 21:34:05 <woglinde> flying satuarday in
Jan 20 21:34:11 <woglinde> and sunday back
Jan 20 21:34:19 <mru> you're skipping the friday beer?
Jan 20 21:34:23 <woglinde> yes
Jan 20 21:34:24 <mru> are you mad?
Jan 20 21:34:26 <woglinde> no
Jan 20 21:34:31 <woglinde> wasnt fun for me
Jan 20 21:34:35 <woglinde> smoke everywhere
Jan 20 21:34:40 <woglinde> and overcrowded
Jan 20 21:34:45 <ds2> woglinde: you coming to ELC?
Jan 20 21:34:49 <woglinde> no
Jan 20 21:34:50 <mru> there is a bit of a crowding problem, yes
Jan 20 21:35:20 <woglinde> ds2 change the attitude of your politcans that everybody is a potential terrorist
Jan 20 21:35:25 <woglinde> than I might visit the us
Jan 20 21:36:00 <woglinde> meanwhile I am fine travelling europe without singing stupid papers
Jan 20 21:36:19 <ds2> woglinde: better to move ELC to a floating platform 
Jan 20 21:36:25 <mru> do like me, get a US passport
Jan 20 21:36:32 <woglinde> no
Jan 20 21:37:09 <jay6981> as if the politicians listen to coporeal individuals
Jan 20 21:37:40 <ds2> maybe cruise ships will be cheap enough to rent out for a few days ;)
Jan 20 21:37:54 <woglinde> ds2 I will be probably at elce in barcelona
Jan 20 21:37:58 <Russ> hmmm..sfo flight rt is only $180 right now
Jan 20 21:37:59 <woglinde> ole!
Jan 20 21:38:19 <ds2> Russ: PHX-SJC drive isn't that bad
Jan 20 21:38:26 <Russ> I did that once
Jan 20 21:38:27 <ds2> just avoid LA
Jan 20 21:38:41 <ds2> I10-US95-I40-CA58-I5
Jan 20 21:38:47 <Russ> no, the real trick is don't stay overnight in bakersfield and sleep on some dude's floor
Jan 20 21:39:00 <ds2> bakersfield?! cheaper to stay out in Barstow
Jan 20 21:39:06 <ds2> used to have rooms for like $19
Jan 20 21:39:24 <jay6981> good ole barstool
Jan 20 21:39:34 <Russ> some dude's floor had a special offer of free, plus they threw in a free sinus infection
Jan 20 21:40:48 * mru prefers to stay in a nice hotel at $company's expense
Jan 20 21:42:07 <Russ> mru, can you recommend a company that will cover that for me?
Jan 20 21:42:22 <Russ> although I've found you usually have to be working for said company
Jan 20 21:43:24 <mru> working for them helps indeed
Jan 20 21:46:17 <zzing> Gutentag
Jan 20 21:46:49 <woglinde> zzing hello
Jan 20 21:46:58 <zzing> jay6981: arm-none-eabi failed to compile gcc
Jan 20 21:47:05 <zzing> woglinde: How are you?
Jan 20 21:47:36 <woglinde> zzing use a sane toolchain
Jan 20 21:47:38 <jay6981> zzing: works for me… what configure options are you using?
Jan 20 21:47:50 <zzing> woglinde: explain
Jan 20 21:48:12 <zzing> jay6981: From gcc/build: ../configure --prefix=/opt/arm --target=arm-none-linux-gnueabi --enable-languages="c"
Jan 20 21:48:17 <zzing> oops not that one
Jan 20 21:48:23 <zzing> replace it with arm-none-eabi
Jan 20 21:48:34 <zzing> That other target string came from some instructions for uboot
Jan 20 21:48:37 <jay6981> and what error?
Jan 20 21:48:40 <zzing> (i.e. I am trying things)
Jan 20 21:48:46 <zzing> jay6981: Let me see if it is still here
Jan 20 21:48:54 <jay6981> i usually find you need at least —with-newlib to make it work
Jan 20 21:49:16 <zzing> https://gist.github.com/1649773
Jan 20 21:49:36 <jay6981> what's libssp? 
Jan 20 21:49:42 <zzing> So you are proposing that I just add that one extra option?
Jan 20 21:49:46 <zzing> jay6981: I have no idea :-)
Jan 20 21:49:51 <jay6981> i disable all that crap… —disable-mudflap, etc.
Jan 20 21:50:04 <zzing> What would arm-none-linux-eabi differ from what i am doing?
Jan 20 21:50:19 <zzing> jay6981: Can you do gcc -v and give me your configure string?
Jan 20 21:50:43 <jay6981> yeah, i suppose
Jan 20 21:51:00 <zzing> It is at least something to try :P
Jan 20 21:51:09 <zzing> I did manage to compile qemu
Jan 20 21:51:19 <woglinde> arm-none-linux-gnueabi defines the toolchain beiing used
Jan 20 21:51:41 <woglinde> it will envolve in arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc nm objdump and so on
Jan 20 21:51:56 <zzing> Now I am not using linux at all
Jan 20 21:52:23 <woglinde> than why you are here?
Jan 20 21:52:27 <jay6981> i use --disable-libssp
Jan 20 21:52:42 <zzing> woglinde: Because I want the board to do raw dev on
Jan 20 21:52:48 <jay6981> woglinde: are people who don't run linux not allowed to be here or something?
Jan 20 21:52:50 <jay6981> wtf?
Jan 20 21:55:39 <woglinde> jay6981 jay6981 he said, he is not using linux
Jan 20 21:55:54 <jay6981> zzing: https://gist.github.com/1649796
Jan 20 21:55:58 <woglinde> so I am courious
Jan 20 21:57:11 <jay6981> make all-gcc all-target-libgcc after that
Jan 20 21:58:18 <ds2> why are you staying at bakersfield anyways?
Jan 20 21:58:26 <ds2> I usually do PHX-SJC in one shot
Jan 20 21:59:12 <zzing> Once I get a uboot.bin,will arm qemu be able to load it?
Jan 20 21:59:33 <jay6981> that can get tricky. depends on the board you're emulating.
Jan 20 21:59:42 <zzing> Well the bone would be handy :P
Jan 20 21:59:46 <xxiao> anyone had experiene with TI's omap_hsmmc.c
Jan 20 21:59:57 <zzing> I want to know how to get from boot src to emu
Jan 20 22:00:04 <xxiao> after upgrading the kernel we have 50% of our cards failed at io/mmc errors
Jan 20 22:00:05 <jay6981> does bone have nand or does it boot off mmc?
Jan 20 22:00:10 <_av500_> mmc
Jan 20 22:00:23 <xxiao> the only change in that hsmmc file is how to calculuate DTO
Jan 20 22:00:32 <jay6981> k, so you will probably need to make an proper bootable image and pass that to qemu
Jan 20 22:00:53 <ds2> undo that change then
Jan 20 22:01:00 <jay6981> i have no experience with qemu emulating bone so I am not sure of details. I can speak to overo and beagle though.
Jan 20 22:01:06 <jay6981> beagleboard that is
Jan 20 22:01:40 <zzing> jay6981: What would be the best thing for me to try to emulate?
Jan 20 22:02:13 <jay6981> bone makes sense, i just don't know if there's support for that in qemu-linaro yet
Jan 20 22:02:25 <xxiao> ds2: ds2 the new hsmmc driver is strange, with dynamic dto each time it access sd card it has to calculuate again, the value varies
Jan 20 22:02:51 * xxiao wonders why TI's mmc speed sucks, calculate dto for each access is not right
Jan 20 22:03:39 <xxiao> oh we just found another TI issue, one developer hard-coded hdmi setting only for his home TV
Jan 20 22:04:03 <mru> sounds reasonable
Jan 20 22:04:03 <ds2> stop mixing code if you donno how to fix it. pick a entire tree and stick with it
Jan 20 22:04:04 <aholler> you mean that MR? ;)
Jan 20 22:04:06 <xxiao> so that TI developer though everyone else should use his hard-coded home tv settings
Jan 20 22:04:28 <xxiao> it took us a while to find that out
Jan 20 22:04:39 <woglinde> xxiao he leaked fun code
Jan 20 22:05:43 <xxiao> woglinde: the developer is named #!@*/\|*, believe it or not
Jan 20 22:06:15 <_av500_> xxiao: be lucky he had a tv
Jan 20 22:06:17 <zzing> This is a start: https://wiki.linaro.org/Resources/HowTo/Qemu-beagleboard
Jan 20 22:06:33 <woglinde> xxiao hm tv means he is not from india
Jan 20 22:06:37 * woglinde runs
Jan 20 22:07:09 * xxiao does not really know where he is from, just know that he is indeed part of texas-india
Jan 20 23:17:37 <Sohua> Hi there, i have a question.
Jan 20 23:18:22 <Sohua> i can't connect to Cloud9 in linux
Jan 20 23:18:43 <mru> that's a statement, not a questions
Jan 20 23:18:50 <Sohua> but i can connect under windows
Jan 20 23:19:27 <Sohua> it is with the usb-ethernet adapter
Jan 20 23:19:32 <mru> it's still not a question
Jan 20 23:20:27 <Sohua> sure, i want to give you the details before
Jan 20 23:23:14 <Sohua> my question is what could be wrong ?
Jan 20 23:24:24 <Sohua> or what could i be forgetting?
Jan 20 23:33:18 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 20 23:35:58 <Sohua> when i try to connect to 192.168.7.2:3000 chrome gives the connection timeout error 
Jan 20 23:36:54 <Sohua> it only happens on linux
Jan 20 23:39:58 <woglinde> check your fw
Jan 20 23:46:55 <Sohua> with ifconfig,  usb0 appears but it doesn't have any packet received or transmitted
Jan 21 00:03:06 <Sohua> someone can give me a clue for what could be the problem?
Jan 21 01:31:27 <mranostay> another drive by irc :)
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Jan 21 03:24:02 <snowrichard> hello
Jan 21 04:36:08 <Guest12488> hey
Jan 21 04:39:05 <Guest12488> i need help with the beaglebone
Jan 21 04:39:20 <Guest12488> cant get it working wid Putty or hyperterminal on windows
Jan 21 04:39:29 <Guest12488> the heartbeat LED glows
Jan 21 04:39:39 <Guest12488> but how do i devlop it>?
Jan 21 04:39:45 <Guest12488> help here plz
Jan 21 06:37:50 <viggi> hello
Jan 21 06:38:05 <viggi> got the Cloud 9 ide on the bone workin at last
Jan 21 06:38:07 <viggi> :D
Jan 21 06:38:47 <Guest26272> i have some doubts
Jan 21 06:38:53 <Guest26272> i work on windows
Jan 21 06:39:11 <Guest26272> so how do i see the GUI OS of the bone?
Jan 21 06:39:17 <Guest26272> please explain
Jan 21 06:44:10 <Guest26272> anyone?
Jan 21 11:30:18 <Falcon> hi
Jan 21 12:47:02 <bonebone> hi
Jan 21 13:52:41 <Jack5> Getting garbage like "

40" from my beagleboard serial terminal..this happened while switching from Android to Angstrom when I may have messed around with boot args. Loaded Angstrom in the correct format onto the SD card but it still wont boot can someone help?
Jan 21 13:57:54 <mru> that means your card isn't properly formatted
Jan 21 14:09:17 <snowrichard> took several tries but i finally got task-sdk-target installed into the ti gnome image last night
Jan 21 14:11:14 <snowrichard> switched to the  us feed
Jan 21 14:12:52 <koen> the us feed is the default one
Jan 21 14:13:18 <snowrichard> well if it is the performance is appreciably better now
Jan 21 14:13:32 <snowrichard> kept getting kicked  off the other night
Jan 21 14:16:05 <snowrichard> I'm still waiting to hear from my isp about the "connection to server was interrupted" I get frequently 
Jan 21 15:52:34 <viggi_> hello
Jan 21 15:53:00 <Guest83961> hey folks
Jan 21 15:57:58 <noBoner> helo!
Jan 21 16:01:57 <mru> helo is a bit old, ehlo is preferred nowadays
Jan 21 16:04:54 <snowrichard> koen 100 packets transmitted, 80 packets received, 20% packet loss                   
Jan 21 16:04:55 <snowrichard> round-trip min/avg/max = 657.013/918.891/1217.712 ms  
Jan 21 16:05:16 <snowrichard> to us.feeds.angstrom-distribution.org
Jan 21 16:05:32 <noBoner> i need ur help folks
Jan 21 16:05:41 <noBoner> i got my beaglebone its damn awesom
Jan 21 16:05:49 <noBoner> with the cloud 9 ide and stuff
Jan 21 16:06:13 <noBoner> i need to access the GUI angstrom from my windows PC
Jan 21 16:06:23 <noBoner> and even program it
Jan 21 16:06:30 <noBoner> how do i do it?
Jan 21 16:06:40 <mru> snowrichard: I get packet loss pinging you from anywhere
Jan 21 16:07:09 <snowrichard> yeah i still got call to hughes net engineering in
Jan 21 16:07:22 <snowrichard> my modem responds to ping?
Jan 21 16:07:42 <mru> snowrichard: sometimes at least
Jan 21 16:08:00 <mru> there's 20-40% loss and huge delay
Jan 21 16:08:17 <mru> where are you?
Jan 21 16:08:40 <snowrichard> i'm in east texas, but the latency is because its a satellite modem
Jan 21 16:08:51 <mru> right, hughes...
Jan 21 16:09:01 <mru> no dsl in texas?
Jan 21 16:09:12 <snowrichard> not in the location i'm at
Jan 21 16:09:24 <noBoner> > i need to access the GUI angstrom from my windows PC  and even program it  how do i do it?
Jan 21 16:09:25 <mru> middle of nowhere?
Jan 21 16:09:33 <snowrichard> they have it in parts of town but not here
Jan 21 16:09:53 <snowrichard> its about 17,000 cable feet to the phone company co
Jan 21 16:10:27 <mru> that's a bit far for dsl
Jan 21 16:10:39 <snowrichard> the cable internet feed crosses our driveway bu tthey say its too far from the road to hook up cable
Jan 21 16:11:00 <woglinde> mru missed the discussion some days ago
Jan 21 16:11:21 <noBoner> help here plz?
Jan 21 16:11:30 <mru> snowrichard: is your satellite dish misaligned?
Jan 21 16:11:49 <woglinde> noBoner install cygwin and use ssh -X
Jan 21 16:11:56 <noBoner> kk
Jan 21 16:12:04 <noBoner> can u walk me thru it?
Jan 21 16:12:06 <woglinde> maybee putty runs
Jan 21 16:12:08 <woglinde> no
Jan 21 16:12:23 <noBoner> npz
Jan 21 16:12:26 <noBoner> thanks anyway
Jan 21 16:12:27 <woglinde> no
Jan 21 16:12:44 <noBoner> can putty do it?
Jan 21 16:12:47 <snowrichard> like i said i got call to hughes net top level support in i'm supposed to hear from them by monday
Jan 21 16:13:19 <woglinde> noBoner didnt yet tried putty with xforwarding
Jan 21 16:13:32 <noBoner> kk
Jan 21 16:13:45 <mru> and debounce that k key
Jan 21 16:14:03 <snowrichard> is there a vnc viewer for windows? on my bb i start x11vnc then use gtkviewer to connect to it
Jan 21 16:14:15 <woglinde> snowrichard ah yes
Jan 21 16:14:19 <mru> at least a dozen
Jan 21 16:24:58 <snowrichard> mru you get my ip address from /whois?
Jan 21 16:25:27 <mru> my irc client showed it when you joined
Jan 21 16:35:17 <snowrichard> maybe in 10 years we get ATT fiber service lol
Jan 21 16:35:33 <woglinde> dont think so
Jan 21 16:44:05 <snowrichard> my email is on their notify list for it....
Jan 21 18:24:17 <aholler> can someone here teach me linux and how to write software?
Jan 21 18:27:43 <aholler> or how to tie my shoes?
Jan 21 18:51:01 <snowrichard> grr
Jan 21 18:51:10 <snowrichard> iD10ts at hughes net
Jan 21 18:52:23 <snowrichard> i tell them i'm losing 20 - 30 percent of packets pinging google and they say well you can bring up web sites so its not broken 
Jan 21 18:52:59 * mranostay wave from PNS...
Jan 21 18:53:06 <mranostay> *waves
Jan 21 18:53:32 <Russ> jkridner, so no actual booth here at scale 10x?
Jan 21 18:54:06 <snowrichard> you at a convention / show Russ?
Jan 21 18:54:14 <Russ> ya
Jan 21 18:56:15 <snowrichard> they say i'm using the wrong dns provider, but the ones i'm getting are from their modem
Jan 21 18:56:46 * Russ assumes the statement is not directed at him, but to some previous channel message...
Jan 21 18:56:57 <koen> Russ: Tartarus should be around to wave the magic TI wand
Jan 21 18:57:11 <snowrichard> oh sorry Russ on going network problems here
Jan 21 18:57:26 <Russ> SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!
Jan 21 18:57:27 <snowrichard> hughes net satellite losing packets
Jan 21 19:10:27 <jay69811> snowrichard can you escalate the issue to a higher tier?
Jan 21 19:28:08 <jay69811> snowrichard: can you escalate to a higher tier?
Jan 21 20:20:08 <hairymnstr_> good evening.  I'm looking for some serial port help on a beaglebone, anyone about?
Jan 21 20:31:30 <hairymnstr_> basically I'm trying to use /dev/ttyO1, I've set the pinmux entry to output but still nothing going on at P9 pin 24
Jan 21 21:10:46 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 21 21:11:00 <jay69811> snowrichard:  back on the air?
Jan 21 21:12:24 <snowrichard> marginally
Jan 21 21:12:40 <snowrichard> still get 20 to 30 percent package loss ping to www.google.com
Jan 21 21:12:53 <jay69811> snowrichard:  have to tried "escalating" your issue
Jan 21 21:12:59 <snowrichard> packet not package lol
Jan 21 21:13:12 <snowrichard> supposedly it was but they not called me yet
Jan 21 21:13:41 <jay69811> unfortunately the squeaky wheel seems to get the oil but the rest just get ignored
Jan 21 21:13:59 <snowrichard> called back and got a different foreign tech
Jan 21 21:14:12 <snowrichard> the first one referred me to some other company
Jan 21 21:14:28 <snowrichard> he just had me reset the modem and check again
Jan 21 21:14:53 <snowrichard> he said i should get a service call that its their equipment either the dish or modem
Jan 21 21:15:02 <jay69811> ask for tier 3 or "esclation supervisor" or customer support manager
Jan 21 21:15:29 <jay69811> you may also be able to find the names of the CEO/COO types and deduce their email addresses and send them email directly
Jan 21 21:15:45 <jay69811> the latter technique works very well for the customers who use it at my outfit :)
Jan 21 21:15:47 <snowrichard> second one said i had the wrong dns settings but they were the ones linux pulled from my modem
Jan 21 21:16:11 <snowrichard> but dns was working so that wasn't the problem
Jan 21 21:17:17 <snowrichard> he said if i can pull up web pages i should be happy
Jan 21 21:17:21 <snowrichard> lol
Jan 21 21:17:32 <jay69811> so just tell them you can't
Jan 21 21:18:02 <snowrichard> on the first call i could not get www.angstrom-distribution.org
Jan 21 21:20:30 <snowrichard> Hughes Net Corporate Phone Number:1-866-774-6580 
Jan 21 21:20:41 <snowrichard> google
Jan 21 21:28:18 <snowrichard> that one didn't help its a pre-install number
Jan 21 21:37:44 <snowrichard> finally got transferred to some different tech support told them right out i'd called several times already and wanted a technician visit
Jan 21 21:37:50 <snowrichard> got it started 
Jan 21 21:44:29 <snowrichard> when i googled hughes net i found a complaint page about lousy service.  not surprising 
Jan 21 21:49:24 <snowrichard> it had another number for executive customer care 
Jan 21 22:17:28 <snowrichard> am i still here i had to run out a minute
Jan 21 22:23:04 <Russ> oi, some dork always has to ask chris mason, fsck?
Jan 21 22:44:05 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 21 23:26:08 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 21 23:26:52 <snowrichard> http://pastebin.com/2GBiy0YZ pings to google.com
Jan 21 23:27:47 <mru> fun
Jan 21 23:28:15 <snowrichard> 20 to 30 percent packet loss still
Jan 21 23:28:20 <mru> looks like your reverse dns is failing occasionally too
Jan 21 23:28:25 <snowrichard> i finally got a work order
Jan 21 23:28:30 <mru> I'd suggest setting up some kind of dns cache locally
Jan 21 23:28:50 <mru> that might actually help a little until you get the connection fixed
Jan 21 23:29:27 <snowrichard> they told me i was using the wrong dns servers but the numbers came from their modem
Jan 21 23:32:18 <snowrichard> reverse dns give me a hostname? i don't see it here
Jan 21 23:33:00 <snowrichard>  [snowrichard] asimov.freenode.net :TX, USA
Jan 21 23:33:00 <snowrichard> * [snowrichard] is connecting from *@184.52.149.149 184.52.149.149
Jan 21 23:33:07 <mru> in your ping log some of the replies are missing a reverse hostname
Jan 21 23:33:41 <snowrichard> oh yeah
Jan 21 23:34:07 <snowrichard> i thought you meant for my IP
Jan 21 23:34:17 <mru> no, you don't have a reverse dns set up
Jan 21 23:37:41 <snowrichard_> tried p‌ing myself i get no responses at all
Jan 21 23:42:58 <snowrichard_> what's odd is i don't think google servers are in dallas TX
Jan 21 23:43:14 <snowrichard_> and host name says dfw something
Jan 21 23:43:43 <mru> it's quite possible they do have a frontend there
Jan 21 23:44:32 <mru> or those letters mean something else
Jan 21 23:48:49 <snowrichard_> oops looks like i lost connection and reconnected again
Jan 21 23:49:09 <Russ> oh geez, ka6sox's and Tartarus's are that the same time
Jan 21 23:49:20 <snowrichard_> i looked up the ip range with google and a page from hurricane electric says that ip range is owned by google
Jan 21 23:49:49 <snowrichard_> maybe they do have a server farm in dalls
Jan 21 23:49:52 <snowrichard_> dallas
Jan 21 23:51:47 <snowrichard> why am i in here twice.....
Jan 21 23:53:08 <snowrichard> apparently had two xchat running sorry
Jan 22 00:35:56 <Russ> prpplague, I *just* found out the prp stands for purple
Jan 22 00:36:09 <prpplague> Russ: hehe
Jan 22 00:36:31 <prpplague> Russ: and do you know what "purple plague" is?
Jan 22 00:36:45 <Russ> never even thought about it
Jan 22 00:37:13 <prpplague> Russ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_plague
Jan 22 00:37:37 <Russ> ah
Jan 22 00:37:47 * Russ goes off to register tinwskrs
Jan 22 00:38:05 <prpplague> Russ: it cost TI about  $10M back in the early 80's
Jan 22 00:41:04 * prpplague goes for some coffeeeeeee
Jan 22 00:55:27 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 22 00:55:30 <snowrichard> http://pastebin.com/0Wnk9fju
Jan 22 00:55:43 <snowrichard> connecting over 3G network get no packet loss
Jan 22 00:56:09 <snowrichard> but I can't connect to freenode on 3G network says I need to authenicate via SASL
Jan 22 00:59:13 <Russ> pandaboard giveaway...get here quick or miss out
Jan 22 00:59:23 <jacekowski> snaakje: you have to authenticate via sasl
Jan 22 00:59:24 <Russ> ya, the SASL thing is a freenode thing
Jan 22 00:59:43 <Russ> sometimes when my phone gets an IP, freenode wants SASL, sometimes it doesn't
Jan 22 00:59:53 <Russ> so if it asks for SASL, I toggle airplane mode
Jan 22 01:00:08 <jacekowski> i'm using irssi-proxy
Jan 22 01:00:25 <jacekowski> so irssi on my server is running 24/7 and i just connect to that
Jan 22 01:00:36 <jacekowski> 01:59 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 69d 1h 27m 33s
Jan 22 01:06:49 <Russ> prpplague, bamboo enclosure looks cool
Jan 22 01:07:14 <Russ> bryan smith is up there pimping it
Jan 22 01:07:30 <prpplague> Russ: thanks, customer was pretty happy with it, just wish they'd sign off on selling it retail
Jan 22 01:07:43 <prpplague> Russ: oh you are scale?
Jan 22 01:08:12 <Russ> ya
Jan 22 01:08:22 <prpplague> Russ: ah dandy
Jan 22 01:08:25 <Russ> I'm sorry av500, everyone is laughing at your cardboard panda box
Jan 22 01:08:40 <prpplague> Russ: guess that is where you heard, purple-plague for the first time, hehe
Jan 22 01:08:49 <Russ> yup
Jan 22 01:18:33 <donovan> why is my beagle board xm so slow with the default ubuntu installation?
Jan 22 01:18:45 <Russ> prpplague, sending him a free case by chance?
Jan 22 01:19:03 <prpplague> Russ: yea, when the customer signs off
Jan 22 01:19:12 <Russ> cool
Jan 22 01:20:38 <donovan> when using ssh remote connect even the 5y old ngw100 is faster :-(
Jan 22 01:24:36 <Russ> prpplague, hmmm..on tincantools, is it supposed to be "BeagleBoard Ad-ons", or "BeagleBoard Add-ons"?
Jan 22 01:24:53 <prpplague> add-ons hehe
Jan 22 01:25:00 <prpplague> what url is the mistake on?
Jan 22 01:25:11 <Russ> all, its in the "CATEGORIES" side-bar
Jan 22 01:25:31 <Russ> so nothing beaglebone or pandaboard on there yet?
Jan 22 01:27:10 <prpplague> Russ: we have no plans for any beaglebone accessories 
Jan 22 01:27:29 <prpplague> Russ: we have a panda trainer and some lvds boards that will be up at the end of feb
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Jan 22 03:52:07 <xenland> Reading analog data from BeagleBone headers?
Jan 22 03:53:37 <xenland> How do i do this? 
Jan 22 05:40:28 <emeb_mac> And you may ask yourself, "How do I work this?"
Jan 22 08:01:01 <photex> hello! I've been experimenting with development workflow for the beaglebone and created a repo https://bitbucket.org/photex/hellobeagle
Jan 22 08:01:07 <photex> uses Waf and Fabric
Jan 22 08:30:04 <_av500_> it has a high WAF?
Jan 22 08:34:34 <dm8tbr> :D
Jan 22 11:12:46 <Rickey> hi
Jan 22 11:50:01 <Rickey> i want to overclock my BB C3 can anyone help me?
Jan 22 11:50:09 <Rickey> 720Mhz on BB C3?
Jan 22 12:41:03 <mru> Rickey: with some kernel hacking you can force it to 720MHz, but it might not work reliably if you do
Jan 22 12:41:08 <mru> in fact, it probably wont
Jan 22 13:53:01 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 22 13:54:15 <mru> hi snowrichard 
Jan 22 13:54:18 <mru> how's the net today?
Jan 22 13:55:09 <snowrichard> still about 15 percent loss to google
Jan 22 13:55:13 <snowrichard> :) 
Jan 22 13:56:25 <snowrichard> i tried it over my 3G phone tether connection and 0% loss there
Jan 22 13:56:46 <mru> of course
Jan 22 13:57:54 <snowrichard> technician visit could take up to 5 days to schedule they said
Jan 22 13:58:16 <mru> so he'll be there some time mid-May then
Jan 22 13:59:35 <snowrichard> said 5 days not 5 months I hope :) 
Jan 22 13:59:49 <mru> they *said* 5 days
Jan 22 14:02:48 <bonebone> hi
Jan 22 14:03:13 <snowrichard> probably not a good idea to be running irc as root
Jan 22 14:09:29 <_troll_> no, I'm not running irc as root
Jan 22 14:12:36 <bonebone> snowrichard: yes, i know, but it's too late for me 
Jan 22 14:14:34 <snowrichard> getting some coffee
Jan 22 14:21:40 <snowrichard> this TI angstrom image only used about 4GB on my 8GB card, i made another partition in the extra space.  the angstrom image didn't seem to have mkfs in it though, i did in on the pc
Jan 22 16:38:34 <mcobby> hey, has anybody got the Ubuntu 11.10 pre-installed desktop image working on the xM rev c?
Jan 22 16:47:12 <h3n> hi there, I have a beagleboard-xM running with Angstrom Linux having a bluetooth usb stick up and running (via hci_tool). I want to write a program to communicate with other bluetooth devices. I tried Java + Bluecove but failed to cross-compile Bluecove. Is there any programming language/library combination thats easy to use? 
Jan 22 17:36:08 <koen> h3n: C
Jan 22 18:01:54 <_av500_> koen: easy to use!
Jan 22 18:14:29 <tholm> somebody tried to use  image's rcn-ee on lcd tv(hdmi)?
Jan 22 18:14:35 <tholm> cuz doesnt work
Jan 22 18:15:06 <tholm> i think that image have an issue
Jan 22 18:59:48 <STrRedWlf> Heya.  Anyone got tips on hooking up the second/third MMC ports on the BeagleBone, and getting them recognized in the kernel?
Jan 22 19:30:21 * Russ liveblogs Tartarus's talk
Jan 22 19:39:00 <sol0invictus> hello
Jan 22 19:39:06 <sol0invictus> i need help
Jan 22 19:39:13 <sol0invictus> any1 here ??
Jan 22 19:39:46 <sol0invictus> any1 online
Jan 22 19:39:51 <sol0invictus> i need help ASAP
Jan 22 19:40:16 <mru> then pay someone for support
Jan 22 19:40:25 <sol0invictus> plz
Jan 22 19:40:28 <sol0invictus> a simple query
Jan 22 19:40:45 <sol0invictus> i am a newbie to Beagle
Jan 22 19:40:56 <sol0invictus> i want to interface a touchscreen with the bone
Jan 22 19:41:00 <sol0invictus> how do i do it ?
Jan 22 19:41:40 * Russ briefly considers raising his hand and asking Tartarus
Jan 22 19:41:57 <STrRedWlf> Is the touchscreen using SPI?
Jan 22 19:42:17 <sol0invictus> 1
Jan 22 19:42:23 <sol0invictus> yes and no
Jan 22 19:42:31 <sol0invictus> i havent decided which touch to use
Jan 22 19:43:08 <STrRedWlf> I think the SPI version will be easier to use, but check the pinouts.
Jan 22 19:43:27 <sol0invictus> do i need a cape ?
Jan 22 19:43:30 <sol0invictus> can i build my own
Jan 22 19:46:01 <adj> of course, nobody will stop you
Jan 22 19:46:39 <sol0invictus> how do i buld one
Jan 22 19:46:43 <sol0invictus> i have no idea
Jan 22 19:46:49 <sol0invictus> can you guide me to some tut site
Jan 22 19:46:50 <sol0invictus> ?
Jan 22 19:46:54 <adj> then you can't build your own
Jan 22 19:47:59 <sol0invictus> is board better than bone for touch ?
Jan 22 19:48:20 <STrRedWlf> I think you need to start out with an Arduino instead of the 'bone first, to get the basics down.
Jan 22 19:50:00 <sol0invictus> i have worked on AVR and ARDUINO
Jan 22 19:50:56 <STrRedWlf> Doen LCD to Arduino?
Jan 22 19:51:45 <sol0invictus> 1
Jan 22 19:51:54 <sol0invictus> in AVR
Jan 22 19:51:58 <sol0invictus> not in Arduino
Jan 22 19:52:59 <STrRedWlf> Okay, read the System docs on the 'bone?  You may need to bug Koen about his work on a SPI-driven LCD.
Jan 22 19:53:06 <Russ> aren't there already lcd stuff you can buy for beaglebone, did you try googling sol0invictus?
Jan 22 19:53:44 <sol0invictus> there is only one available Beagletouch and it cost double the board
Jan 22 19:53:44 <STrRedWlf> There's a 800x480 screen being done by CircuitCo that Koen's working on.
Jan 22 19:54:10 <STrRedWlf> But that uses the LCD/DVI lines.
Jan 22 19:55:03 <sol0invictus> so . .. ?
Jan 22 19:56:45 <adj> USB touch screen controllers are available from ebay for ~15 USD but drivers for ARM might cause some difficulties
Jan 22 19:57:45 <STrRedWlf> Check with Koen Kooi, though, off of Google+.
Jan 22 20:01:34 <STrRedWlf> Also check here: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/blog/koen
Jan 22 20:09:54 <Russ> demo time
Jan 22 20:13:37 <tholm> hi all, anyone used image's rcn-ee with a lcd tv?
Jan 22 20:15:58 <tholm> im using a beagleboard-xm
Jan 22 20:21:10 <tholm> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/8c158ee281971618
Jan 22 20:21:16 <tholm> i think that's a bug
Jan 22 20:21:42 <tholm> but rcn-ee didn't fix it yet
Jan 22 20:21:50 <Russ> any questions for Tom Rini?
Jan 22 20:22:49 <tholm> ok i think imma install the ubuntu images
Jan 22 20:23:05 <tholm> how can i do that?
Jan 22 20:24:27 <tholm> hello
Jan 22 20:26:44 <STrRedWlf> Does the LCD TV have HDMI digital IN?
Jan 22 20:26:52 <tholm> yes
Jan 22 20:27:19 <STrRedWlf> Hmmm... let me check here...
Jan 22 20:28:32 <tholm> i downloaded this image http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/oneiric/ubuntu-11.10-r3-minimal-armel.tar.xz
Jan 22 20:28:55 <STrRedWlf> Try dropping down to 800x480 in the boot command line if it doesn't work.
Jan 22 20:29:13 <tholm> i tried with all modes
Jan 22 20:29:24 <tholm> nothing happened
Jan 22 20:29:50 <STrRedWlf> Hmmm... must be the old kernel.
Jan 22 20:29:56 <STrRedWlf> Try building Gentoo on it.
Jan 22 20:30:25 <tholm> haha that is not the easy way
Jan 22 20:30:35 <STrRedWlf> nothing ever is.
Jan 22 20:31:07 <STrRedWlf> But I do have a classic BB image I'm running off of with a 3.2 kernel.
Jan 22 20:31:59 <tholm> but do you think the issue is the kernel version?
Jan 22 20:32:26 <STrRedWlf> I think so.  I'm not sure what kernel Ubuntu uses, but I know there's been problems with too-old kernels at times.
Jan 22 20:32:52 <STrRedWlf> For instance, never go below 2.6.32. udev doesn't like them at all.
Jan 22 20:34:55 <tholm> i tried with Angstrom's uImage/modules and i can see something on the lcd tv, but i got several error and crash
Jan 22 20:35:37 <STrRedWlf> Angstrom's rather old to boot. 
Jan 22 20:35:49 <STrRedWlf> I'd rather have a more modern kernel.
Jan 22 20:36:48 <STrRedWlf> That reminds me....
Jan 22 20:37:10 * STrRedWlf fires off an update to his classic BB.
Jan 22 20:38:18 <tholm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP did you try that image?
Jan 22 20:39:54 <STrRedWlf> Nah, I went Debian first before going Ubuntu.
Jan 22 20:40:20 <STrRedWlf> Correction: went Debian first before going Gentoo.
Jan 22 20:41:16 <ynezz> well, then I would try OpenSUSE and then Fedora, maybe ArchLinux, Mint...
Jan 22 20:47:57 <_av500_> Slackware
Jan 22 20:50:48 <tholm> armhf is supported by BB?
Jan 22 20:51:00 <tholm> debian*
Jan 22 20:51:53 <squeamish> My beaglebone is in the mail, I'm trying to figure out if it can tftpboot without the SD card (ie using boot rom)
Jan 22 20:52:08 <squeamish> If my reading of SYSBOOT is correct it can't out of the box, is that correct?
Jan 22 20:53:40 <STrRedWlf> It can't netboot.
Jan 22 20:54:23 <STrRedWlf> It needs a uboot on a SD card.
Jan 22 20:54:36 <STrRedWlf> Even then, it's kinda picky about cards.
Jan 22 20:56:34 <STrRedWlf> It won't boot off of a Sandisc 16gb MicroSDHC class 4.  just sits there.
Jan 22 21:10:06 <_av500_> sure it will
Jan 22 21:11:19 <_av500_> assuming it has no issues to read the card, it should boot from it
Jan 22 21:11:52 <STrRedWlf> There's been documented reports on the BB list about some cards taking too long to respond.
Jan 22 21:12:25 <STrRedWlf> I think the bootrom on the 'bone times out long enough.  It works on the Kingston but not the Sandisk.
Jan 22 21:13:00 <_av500_> even if you dd the image from the kingston to the sandisk?
Jan 22 21:14:15 <STrRedWlf> Yes.
Jan 22 21:14:37 <_av500_> ic
Jan 22 21:14:41 <STrRedWlf> Even the fresh downloaded image fails.  just sits there.
Jan 22 21:15:40 <_av500_> I guess ti is busy analyzing what goes wrong there, right koen + jkridner ?
Jan 22 21:16:45 <STrRedWlf> So short of googling around (and finding the oddity of cards), I'm pondering building a dual-MicroSD shield.
Jan 22 21:18:13 <STrRedWlf> Doing a 4GB main and two 16GB mounted.
Jan 22 21:18:48 <sabesto> where would dmsg/messages be in angstrom?
Jan 22 21:19:18 <STrRedWlf> dmesg command at least, unless they're saving the /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages
Jan 22 21:19:52 <sabesto> no such file there
Jan 22 21:20:26 <sabesto> oh, i wrote dmsg instead of dmesg
Jan 22 21:20:53 <STrRedWlf> Missing an E there. :)
Jan 22 21:22:15 <sabesto> new full speed USB device using ehci-omap and address 6
Jan 22 21:22:32 <sabesto> anyone know where i would find that? FTDI 
Jan 22 21:23:25 <STrRedWlf> The FTDI?
Jan 22 21:23:47 <sabesto> yeah, the file where i write to it, doesnt mention it in dmesg
Jan 22 21:24:20 <STrRedWlf> I think you need to modprobe it with some options to get it to say "OH HAI THARE SERIAL PRRT!" Google around.
Jan 22 21:24:59 <STrRedWlf> Although if you're looking for the built-in serial port, ls /dev/ttyS* or .../ttyO*. I forget witch.
Jan 22 21:25:12 <STrRedWlf> It comes up as a regular serial port, not as USB.
Jan 22 21:25:18 <STrRedWlf> That's on the BB.
Jan 22 21:25:46 <sabesto> is there any TTL ports on it?
Jan 22 21:26:13 <STrRedWlf> I think they're all TTL. 
Jan 22 21:26:14 <sabesto> i just want to talk to a serial lcd display
Jan 22 21:26:26 <STrRedWlf> Check the System docs on beagleboard.org
Jan 22 21:26:30 <sabesto> there is a rs232 converter on the comport
Jan 22 21:26:43 <sabesto> guessing its +/- 12v or whatever
Jan 22 21:26:51 <STrRedWlf> Yeah, but I think there's moer than one 
Jan 22 21:27:19 <STrRedWlf> The header is 3.3v
Jan 22 21:27:23 <sabesto> but those headers is so small anyway, i got a bunch of ftdi chips...
Jan 22 21:27:32 <sabesto> yeah, i need 5v for this
Jan 22 21:27:41 <STrRedWlf> Adafruit has a breakout board and level converter.
Jan 22 21:28:01 <sabesto> i got a breakout with usb
Jan 22 21:28:20 <sabesto> so i'm all set if i can find what file it appeared as
Jan 22 21:29:58 <sabesto> i'm more of an AVR guy, not linux dev. never used a comport in linux
Jan 22 21:30:52 <STrRedWlf> You got the breakout cape?
Jan 22 21:31:04 <sabesto> what?
Jan 22 21:31:39 <STrRedWlf> http://www.adafruit.com/products/572
Jan 22 21:31:50 <sabesto> i got this: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9716
Jan 22 21:32:08 <sabesto> i got the -xM
Jan 22 21:32:18 <STrRedWlf> Ahhh, I thought you had the 'bone.
Jan 22 21:32:54 <sabesto> yeah, the -xM has so small headers, and the comport on it is rs232 i belive
Jan 22 21:33:25 <STrRedWlf> Yes, that it does.
Jan 22 21:33:51 <STrRedWlf> The classic had a RS232 header on it instead of the actual port.
Jan 22 21:44:24 <sabesto> found some ftdi drivers
Jan 22 21:44:56 <sabesto> kernel-module-ftdi-sio might do it
Jan 22 21:45:34 <sabesto> yup, now dmesg says ttyUSB0
Jan 22 21:50:59 <sabesto> now it works
Jan 22 23:06:05 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 23 00:09:20 <STrRedWlf> Heya Koen.  Maybe you'll know about this question.  I want to hook up the remaining MMC ports to MicroSD breakout boards. 
Jan 23 00:10:18 <STrRedWlf> If I set up the pin muxes for it on boot, will the kernel's driver for the MMC ports notice the extra boards & cards?
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Jan 23 05:18:45 <hitlin37> good morning guys
Jan 23 05:21:18 <_av500_> gm
Jan 23 05:21:59 <mranostay_sfo> whatever time it is
Jan 23 05:22:16 <_av500_> hammer tie
Jan 23 05:22:52 <mranostay_sfo> sound like that would be rough on the neck
Jan 23 05:42:22 <emeb_mac> mranostay_sfo: in CA now?
Jan 23 05:47:56 <mranostay_sfo> emeb_mac: looking for apartments this week
Jan 23 05:48:27 <emeb_mac> mranostay_sfo: ka-ching!
Jan 23 05:48:52 <mranostay_sfo> emeb_mac: yes i know :)
Jan 23 05:49:19 <mranostay_sfo> esp for a midwestern boy like myself
Jan 23 09:01:32 <rickey> is it possible to overclock OMAP in BB?
Jan 23 09:02:18 <av500> sure
Jan 23 09:03:10 <rickey> I am having rev c3 board
Jan 23 09:03:22 <rickey> how can i run OMAP at 720Mhz?
Jan 23 09:03:39 <rickey> max is said to be 600 only :/
Jan 23 09:04:50 <rickey> can you point me to files where cpu setup is done?
Jan 23 09:06:07 <av500> I can't, but the internet can
Jan 23 09:06:39 <rickey> i searched a lot but i couldn't find.. thats why i came here
Jan 23 09:13:55 <av500> perserverant you are not
Jan 23 09:33:56 <Russ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8659143@N08/6737964987/
Jan 23 10:26:09 <ant_work> koen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pteHg54WBbQ
Jan 23 10:52:44 <alinrus> hey, I've just started my beagleboard xM rev C, and got a kernel panic http://paste.ubuntu.com/814158/
Jan 23 10:54:54 <av500> alinrus: power it from DC-in and not usb
Jan 23 10:54:58 <av500> this is a know issue
Jan 23 10:55:03 <av500> booting from a PC hangs it
Jan 23 10:55:06 <av500> known
Jan 23 10:56:19 <alinrus> ok, now if only I had received a power cord
Jan 23 10:58:30 <av500> alinrus: you can also try to unplug the usb cable slighty so that only 5V is connected but not the data lines
Jan 23 10:58:50 <av500> or you get a $5 usb charger at the corner shop
Jan 23 11:07:49 <alinrus> yup unpluging the cable slightly did the trick 
Jan 23 11:07:55 <alinrus> it'll have to do, for the moment
Jan 23 11:45:17 <adge> hello everyone
Jan 23 11:45:35 <adge> Is there anyone who tried audio on beaglebont?
Jan 23 11:46:02 <adge> I think beaglebone has not support auido
Jan 23 11:47:50 <adge> Does anybody hear me?
Jan 23 13:46:25 <juhsis> hi guys how can i install gstreamer 0.10.35 to my beagle b7 with angstrom os?
Jan 23 13:46:35 <juhsis> 0.10.32 exists..
Jan 23 13:47:53 <av500> edit the recipe to use a newer version
Jan 23 13:47:56 <av500> and handle the fallout
Jan 23 13:48:10 <juhsis> recipe?
Jan 23 13:48:18 <juhsis> in beagleboard?
Jan 23 13:48:35 <av500> in angstrom
Jan 23 13:48:54 <juhsis> can you give me more hint pls?
Jan 23 13:49:29 <juhsis> do you mean like "opkg update" ?
Jan 23 13:53:12 <juhsis> av500 : is that recipe at angstrom or openembedded? 
Jan 23 13:53:28 <av500> angstrom uses openembedded as a build system
Jan 23 13:53:35 <av500> openembedded uses bitbake
Jan 23 13:53:40 <av500> bitbake uses "recipes"
Jan 23 13:53:52 <bonebone> hi
Jan 23 13:56:18 <juhsis> av500 : "find -name 'recipes'" no result
Jan 23 13:56:37 <av500> juhsis: bitbake recipes have the suffix .bb 
Jan 23 13:56:51 <av500> </googleforyou>
Jan 23 14:02:39 <juhsis> pff i really dont understand... i couldnt find anything named recipe or the file finishes with .bb
Jan 23 14:03:10 <av500> where did you look?
Jan 23 14:03:18 <juhsis> in angstrom in beagle
Jan 23 14:03:26 <av500> thats the wrong place
Jan 23 14:03:33 <av500> angstrom is not compiled on the beagle
Jan 23 14:03:43 <juhsis> so i will look at oe
Jan 23 14:03:44 <juhsis> ?
Jan 23 14:04:01 <av500> you compile angstrom on your PC
Jan 23 14:04:11 <av500> [14:52:02] <av500> angstrom uses openembedded as a build system
Jan 23 14:04:13 <av500> [14:52:09] <av500> openembedded uses bitbake
Jan 23 14:04:14 <av500> [14:52:14] <av500> bitbake uses "recipes
Jan 23 14:04:17 <juhsis> nope downloaded from narcissus
Jan 23 14:04:27 <av500> then you wont find a .bb file
Jan 23 14:18:55 <juhsis> av500 : i found smt. like this: "http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpatches.openembedded.org%2Fpatch%2F12551%2Fmbox%2F&ei=-modT6zOCYzR4QSettGsDA&usg=AFQjCNEf1xlOoDRdaYRDx0PPaGjiwhUwYg&sig2=qasTW-AipbV6X9sjiiBHdg"
Jan 23 14:19:13 <juhsis> or exatcly that :)
Jan 23 14:19:32 <juhsis> but should i execute it in beagle, or doing smt. else?
Jan 23 14:21:37 <bonebone> av500: i have the lcd working fine in 16 bits, in 24 bits the blue pins are swapped, but it's ok, thx for guiding to the da8xx driver
Jan 23 14:22:57 <koen> bonebone: look at the am335x TRM, is should how messed up the 16bpp vs 24bpp situation is
Jan 23 14:22:57 <bonebone> now i'm going to try to get the touchpad work
Jan 23 14:22:58 <juhsis> is there anyone else, who really knows how to install gstreamer 0.10.35 to beagle?
Jan 23 14:23:08 <koen> the evm has a cpld to work around it
Jan 23 14:24:23 <koen> root@beagleboard:~# opkg list | grep  "gstreamer - 0.10.35"
Jan 23 14:24:23 <koen> gstreamer - 0.10.35-r1 - GStreamer multimedia framework
Jan 23 14:24:27 <bonebone> koen: yes, i read it, i choosed to put the 16 bit mode, and never switch to 24 bit. it's a pitty though
Jan 23 14:24:59 <bonebone> koen: i only see the solution of swapping the colors in software
Jan 23 14:25:03 <juhsis> koen: opkg list | grep  "gstreamer - 0.10.35"
Jan 23 14:25:08 <av500> juhsis: that is a patch to update gst in openembedded-core
Jan 23 14:25:12 <juhsis> # 
Jan 23 14:25:14 <juhsis> :)
Jan 23 14:26:24 <juhsis> av500 , koen : so what should i do?
Jan 23 14:26:25 <bonebone> koen: is this color swapping a mistake of the chip engineers?
Jan 23 14:33:48 <bonebone> is it needed to put 1.8 volts in VDD_ADC and GND_ADC to get the touch panel working? Or the am3359 drives them internally with its 1.8 ??
Jan 23 14:33:57 <juhsis> koen: how did you upgrade your version to 0.10.35?
Jan 23 14:34:03 <juhsis> mine is 0.10.32
Jan 23 14:35:10 <juhsis> root@beagleboard:/# opkg list | grep  "gstreamer - 0.10.35"                                                                         
Jan 23 14:35:11 <juhsis> root@beagleboard:/# opkg list | grep  "gstreamer - 0.10.32"                                                                         
Jan 23 14:35:11 <juhsis> gstreamer - 0.10.32-r0.6 - GStreamer is a multimedia framework
Jan 23 14:36:44 <bonebone> gstreamer - 0.10.35-r1 - GStreamer multimedia framework
Jan 23 14:36:54 <bonebone> juhsis: i have this
Jan 23 14:37:01 <bonebone> try opkg update
Jan 23 14:37:10 <juhsis> i tried
Jan 23 14:37:15 <juhsis> nothing happens
Jan 23 14:37:31 <bonebone> but does it have internet connection?
Jan 23 14:37:35 <juhsis> yes
Jan 23 14:37:54 <bonebone> can you ping outside?
Jan 23 14:37:57 <juhsis> downloads some packages and nothing happens to gstreamer
Jan 23 14:37:59 <juhsis> yes
Jan 23 14:38:03 <koen> juhsis: I just run a recent angstrom
Jan 23 14:38:06 <juhsis> internet connection works
Jan 23 14:38:26 <juhsis> koen: i installed this angstrom 1.5 mount ago
Jan 23 14:38:26 <bonebone> juhsis: :-?
Jan 23 14:39:35 <juhsis> http://pastebin.com/FyUHu2xa
Jan 23 14:42:28 <koen> root@beagleboard:~# lsb_release  -d
Jan 23 14:42:28 <koen> Description:    Angstrom GNU/Linux v2012.01-core (Core edition)
Jan 23 14:42:39 <koen> you'll likely have a different release
Jan 23 14:42:45 <juhsis> Description:    Angstrom GNU/Linux 2011.03 (Dureza)
Jan 23 14:43:28 <reisei> koen: how can I read the omap serial number?
Jan 23 14:43:38 <juhsis> koen: how did you get this version?
Jan 23 14:44:42 <juhsis> bonebone: where did you download angstrom?
Jan 23 14:44:53 <bonebone> uau, the video playback in the framebuffer is very smooth, the am3359 is a beast
Jan 23 14:45:07 <bonebone> juhsis: in angstrom-distribution.org i think
Jan 23 14:45:37 <juhsis> do you have x11 visual package?
Jan 23 14:45:44 <juhsis> or just command line?
Jan 23 14:45:57 <bonebone> commandline
Jan 23 14:46:18 <juhsis> sooo can you give me a link?
Jan 23 14:47:30 <juhsis> koen: is it possible to update my gstreamer in this condition? or am i have to reinstall my OS?
Jan 23 14:47:57 <bonebone> juhsis: ot@beaglebone:/usr/bin/qtopia/examples/qws/framebuffer# cat /etc/opkg/beaglebone-feed.conf 
Jan 23 14:47:58 <bonebone> src/gz beaglebone http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/core/ipk/eglibc/armv7a/machine/beaglebone
Jan 23 14:48:18 <koen> juhsis: reinstall
Jan 23 14:48:30 <juhsis> ok
Jan 23 14:49:42 <juhsis> bonebone :which one?
Jan 23 14:55:02 <juhsis> bonbone :^?
Jan 23 14:56:16 <juhsis> bonebone :^?
Jan 23 14:59:19 <juhsis> koen: where did you download your agstrom?
Jan 23 14:59:54 <snowrichard> isn't koen one of the angstrom developers?
Jan 23 15:00:07 <tasslehoffwrk> ask where he uploaded it :)
Jan 23 15:00:28 <juhsis> :)))
Jan 23 15:00:45 <juhsis> soo koen: where did you uploaded it?
Jan 23 15:05:37 <snowrichard> http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beagleboard/index.html
Jan 23 15:05:48 <snowrichard> I'm using the TI gnome image on this pae
Jan 23 15:05:50 <snowrichard> page
Jan 23 15:12:19 <koen> juhsis: to the angstrom beagleboard demo page
Jan 23 15:25:01 <jsabeaudry> Is there a fixdep that should be fetched by the setup-scripts or am I supposed to get that tool elsewhere?
Jan 23 15:26:01 <juhsis> snowrichard : what is the result of opkg list | grep  "gstreamer - 0.10.35"   ?
Jan 23 15:26:41 <juhsis> jsabeaudry: trying to setup openembedded?
Jan 23 15:27:50 <jsabeaudry> juhsis, Well I set it up and I built packages and images, but now I'm trying to build a kernel module and it is whining about "fixdep"
Jan 23 15:28:59 <juhsis> here is a working guide : http://code.google.com/p/opencv-dsp-acceleration/wiki/Instruction_For_Building_Examples
Jan 23 15:29:11 <juhsis> i am not the experienced developer
Jan 23 15:29:25 <juhsis> but i used that and it was worked for me
Jan 23 15:32:56 <jsabeaudry> juhsis, Have you built drivers/kernel modules?
Jan 23 15:33:26 <juhsis> nope, i just use openembedded for compiling my own project
Jan 23 15:34:27 <koen> jsabeaudry: does your recipe inherit the module class?
Jan 23 15:38:10 <jsabeaudry> koen, I've been tryting to do it manually without a recipe using http://pastebin.com/q7SEbMUx perhaps I would be better using a recipe?
Jan 23 15:41:10 <koen> yes
Jan 23 16:09:27 <jsabeaudry> koen, Wow, that was easier than I though, thanks for the pointer
Jan 23 16:10:42 <mru> koen: handing out null pointers again?
Jan 23 16:12:58 <koen> mru: yes, training for fosdem
Jan 23 16:20:53 <jsabeaudry> Is there a good rss feed (or something similar) to follow news about the kernel for the beaglebone (when the spidev patch will reach angstrom for example)?
Jan 23 16:50:10 <bonebone> is there one movie player that use gstreamer in angstrom? i'm using mplayer and it's great, but i want to see if there is any acceleration in gstreamer
Jan 23 16:50:23 <XorA> totem
Jan 23 16:50:33 <bonebone> thx xora
Jan 23 16:50:44 <av500> bonebone: on what hardware?
Jan 23 16:50:49 <av500> beagle or bone?
Jan 23 16:51:51 <bonebone> beaglebone
Jan 23 16:52:08 <bonebone> i need gstreamer in framebuffer
Jan 23 16:52:15 <bonebone> is it possible?
Jan 23 16:52:20 <av500> sure
Jan 23 16:52:32 <av500> but no hw acceleration
Jan 23 16:52:36 <av500> bone has no dsp
Jan 23 16:52:43 <av500> gst is as fast to decode as mplayer
Jan 23 16:53:00 <av500> the only speedup you can get is to use the sgx to render
Jan 23 16:53:09 <av500> and do e.g. the resize
Jan 23 16:53:26 <bonebone> ahm, ok, the speed is great but there are slowdowns in rescalings
Jan 23 16:53:29 <bonebone> yes
Jan 23 16:53:38 <av500> rescaling is in SW
Jan 23 16:53:43 <av500> so is color conversion
Jan 23 16:53:49 <av500> sgx could do that
Jan 23 16:54:22 <bonebone> any software ready made that use sgx?
Jan 23 16:54:34 <av500> dont think so
Jan 23 16:54:51 <av500> there is a gst2pvrsink for panda
Jan 23 16:55:09 <av500> but thats far from simple and also relies on X and DRM
Jan 23 16:55:13 <av500> afaik
Jan 23 16:55:48 <bonebone> ok, thx a lot
Jan 23 17:11:33 <neels> hi, I need (native) gcc 4.5 on beagleboard -- someone recommended to use ubuntu 11.04, so installed that (headless), and everything looks ok just USB and ethernet aren't working...
Jan 23 17:11:43 * neels beagleboard xM rev C
Jan 23 17:12:16 <neels> there are numerous posts around on this, but no-one seems to know how to get usb working. any hints?
Jan 23 17:12:36 <av500> did you try 11.10?
Jan 23 17:12:41 <av500> that should be new enough
Jan 23 17:12:54 <neels> no. ok, worth a shot
Jan 23 17:13:28 <neels> just this other guy says 11.04 "works so great"... so I'm confused now that it doesn't.
Jan 23 17:14:53 <mru> maybe his definition of great is smaller than yours
Jan 23 17:14:58 <neels> ...for headless, I take the 'server' image, right?
Jan 23 17:15:17 <neels> I'd assume 'great' at least entails that the usb has power ;)
Jan 23 17:15:25 <av500> yes, a server must not have a head
Jan 23 17:15:53 <neels> 'must not have' or 'can go without' a head?
Jan 23 17:16:09 <neels> * a screen
Jan 23 17:19:05 <neels> actually, I liked angstrom (probably because the preinstalled angstrom that came with the board has everything working) -- only that it has gcc 4.3.3 and not gcc 4.5.
Jan 23 17:19:39 <neels> which other distributions could be worthwhile to try on the xM rev C?
Jan 23 17:20:16 <neels> or should I try compiling gcc 4.5 for the angstrom myself?
Jan 23 17:20:26 <mru> are there no packages available?
Jan 23 17:20:37 <neels> I see only 4.3.3...
Jan 23 17:22:10 * neels just found a post: "angstrom has gcc-4.5" / "it is in next/ipk/eglibc/armv7a"
Jan 23 17:24:59 <koen> root@beagleboneA3-0013:~# gcc --version
Jan 23 17:24:59 <koen> gcc (GCC) 4.5.4 20111126 (prerelease)
Jan 23 17:25:51 <neels> koen, please instruct :)
Jan 23 17:29:02 <neels> root@beagleboard:/etc/opkg# cat base-feed.conf 
Jan 23 17:29:02 <neels> src/gz base http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/unstable/ipk/glibc/armv7a/base
Jan 23 17:29:32 <neels> ...so I just change 'unstable' to 'next' and 'opkg update'?
Jan 23 17:30:41 <koen> no
Jan 23 17:30:49 <koen> install a newer angstrom release
Jan 23 17:31:01 <neels> from scratch? using narcissus online build?
Jan 23 17:33:24 <koen> or a prebuilt image or using the angstrom buildsystem
Jan 23 17:43:24 <neels> could someone recommend a specific prebuilt image?
Jan 23 17:43:38 <neels> Is http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/  a good place to try one from?
Jan 23 17:52:06 <neels> (curious how the angstrom server seems to have trouble resolving half the time)
Jan 23 17:58:27 <jay69811> yeah, the angstrom-distribution.org nameservers have some config issues. they're reporting different SOA serials
Jan 23 18:21:46 <neels> av500, it looks like ubuntu 11.10 has the same problem...
Jan 23 18:22:01 <neels> (no ethernet on xM rev C)
Jan 23 18:22:05 <neels> (and no usb)
Jan 23 18:22:16 <av500> no usb means no eth
Jan 23 18:22:24 <av500> since eth is on usb
Jan 23 18:22:25 <neels> exactly
Jan 23 18:22:41 <av500> its that change in revC4 that needs a GPIO to power usb
Jan 23 18:22:48 <av500> and I thought ubuntu had that by now
Jan 23 18:23:02 <av500> ogra_: ^^^^^^^ (assume being glared at)
Jan 23 18:23:14 <neels> heh so if I just power one GPIO and it'll work?
Jan 23 18:23:28 <neels> s/and//
Jan 23 18:25:29 <av500> basically yes
Jan 23 18:25:55 <av500> assuming that is the issue
Jan 23 18:27:39 <neels> would explain why someone said updating uBoot solved it. (but he suggested a uboot.img image and I have uboot.bin -- now XLoader can't find a .img -- and I'm too noob to handle that)
Jan 23 18:29:19 <av500> the file name is uboot.bin
Jan 23 18:29:22 <av500> so rename it
Jan 23 18:29:51 <neels> is that all? why did the suffix change if they're compatible?
Jan 23 18:30:02 <av500> nothing changed
Jan 23 18:30:08 <av500> also, why not just try it
Jan 23 18:30:12 <av500> it wont explode
Jan 23 18:30:20 <neels> rub it in ;)
Jan 23 18:30:36 * neels following so many paths, loses head
Jan 23 18:30:39 <av500> there: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
Jan 23 18:32:10 <neels> not helpful.
Jan 23 18:32:52 <av500> [19:26:12] <neels> would explain why someone said updating uBoot solved it. 
Jan 23 18:32:57 <av500> did you try that?
Jan 23 18:34:16 <neels> no, I was too mixed up to think of that...
Jan 23 18:34:26 <neels> but am gonna any minute now
Jan 23 18:34:35 <neels> actually
Jan 23 18:34:38 <neels> I mean I tried that
Jan 23 18:34:43 <neels> but then the filename difference
Jan 23 18:34:53 <neels> and then me too mixed up to think of rename
Jan 23 18:35:07 <neels> ...and I have no idea (yet) how to upgrade uboot
Jan 23 18:35:16 <av500> you lose you car keys, somebody tells you he saw then next to the blue car in the parking lot, you go down there and only see a red car, what do you do?
Jan 23 18:35:24 <neels> thanks, av500 
Jan 23 18:35:47 <av500> upgrade uboot is as easy a copying a new file
Jan 23 18:36:09 * neels shoves stacks of documentation aside
Jan 23 18:36:24 * av500 gives neels a match
Jan 23 18:36:42 <neels> yeah babeh!!
Jan 23 18:36:48 <neels> <flames>
Jan 23 18:37:30 * neels gotta re-connect
Jan 23 18:39:38 <snowrichard> i've talked to the satellite technician...be few days before i'm on the schedule
Jan 23 18:40:08 * neels back soon
Jan 23 18:40:42 <av500> snowrichard: what about DSL to the curb?
Jan 23 18:41:05 <snowrichard> the dsl won't reach this address
Jan 23 18:41:11 <snowrichard> the cable is on the street though
Jan 23 18:41:14 <av500> snowrichard: yes
Jan 23 18:41:26 <av500> what I said :)
Jan 23 18:43:08 <snowrichard> i'd imagine they'd want it in a building not a box on a pole lol
Jan 23 18:44:50 <av500> in a country that considers "trailers" buildings :)
Jan 23 18:45:16 <snowrichard> yeah i'm spam sucking trailer trash lol
Jan 23 18:49:20 <snowrichard> there is no curb or sidewalk though ;)
Jan 23 18:49:29 <snowrichard> just a ditch
Jan 23 18:49:41 <jacekowski> it's called a pavement
Jan 23 18:49:56 <av500> snowrichard: DSL to the ditch then
Jan 23 18:50:11 <av500> ditch satellite for the ditch
Jan 23 18:50:12 <snowrichard> no dsl its too far
Jan 23 18:50:34 <bonebone> i can't see any message from the beaglebone touch driver from dmesg, and i see it's enabled in board-am335xevm.c, anyone knows what is required to do to activate it?
Jan 23 18:53:50 <bonebone> the adc's are in mode TI_TSCADC_GENMODE,perhaps i need to change this mode
Jan 23 19:02:45 <neels> av500, re u-boot.img --> u-boot.bin: this is all I get and then it halts: http://codepad.org/I42JwtBr
Jan 23 19:03:23 <av500> then that file is not OK
Jan 23 19:03:46 <av500> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
Jan 23 19:03:52 <neels> it's from wget http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/u-boot.img
Jan 23 19:03:55 <av500> and it should be u-boot.img anyway
Jan 23 19:04:09 <av500> so, put that MLO and that u-boot
Jan 23 19:04:11 <neels> my board will only boot with a file named 'u-boot.bin'
Jan 23 19:04:21 <neels> ok MLO as well, wasn't aware
Jan 23 19:05:32 <neels> you said "as easy as copying a new file" -- *a* new file, right? :P
Jan 23 19:09:14 <neels> btw, when u-boot.img is there but no u-boot.bin, I get http://codepad.org/JM4tJAxx  (that was with ubuntu 11.04)
Jan 23 19:10:02 <av500> what BB do you have?
Jan 23 19:10:09 <av500> do you hold down the user button while booting?
Jan 23 19:10:11 <neels> xM rev C
Jan 23 19:10:16 <av500> ok
Jan 23 19:10:18 <neels> (that's what it says on the box)
Jan 23 19:10:22 <av500> ok
Jan 23 19:10:22 <neels> no
Jan 23 19:10:28 <neels> (no user button i mean)
Jan 23 19:10:30 <av500> should be OK
Jan 23 19:12:36 <neels> av500, I'm beginning to doubt the rename theory: http://codepad.org/stH7iszc
Jan 23 19:12:58 <neels> argh!
Jan 23 19:13:00 <neels> sorry
Jan 23 19:13:15 <neels> the MLO wants an .img now, not a .bin
Jan 23 19:13:22 <neels> stuff begins to make sense......
Jan 23 19:14:50 <av500> neels: well, since .img is what is on the website....
Jan 23 19:16:42 <neels> yeah, I really really lack the deep insight into the effects of the files. 1st I didn't know about the MLO, then I thought the part that wants an .bin sits in a eeprom somewhere or something...
Jan 23 19:17:09 <jay6981> it's tough. different boards do things differently.
Jan 23 19:17:14 <mru> rom loads mlo
Jan 23 19:17:21 <neels> (and now apparently I need uEnv.txt and boot.scr no longer suffices)
Jan 23 19:17:31 <mru> mlo does whatever it wants
Jan 23 19:17:47 <jay6981> then they change the filenames the loaders look for on a whim
Jan 23 19:18:07 <neels> (would be really nice if I could mount the SD card via that special USB slot, but that didn't work last time I checked)
Jan 23 19:18:10 <tasslehoff> it's not just the name, but the format, isn't it?
Jan 23 19:18:19 <neels> thanks for the support, I feel a lot better already :)
Jan 23 19:19:03 <mru> special usb?
Jan 23 19:25:33 <neels> yes! "Starting kernel ..."
Jan 23 19:25:59 <av500> mru: mini usb I guess
Jan 23 19:27:30 <tasslehoff> I'm gonna try modularizing usb in my kernel to make suspend/resume work. Is there an easy way to figure out what the modules are called? I believe OTG gives a couple of alternatives, omap2430.ko being on. But what about ehci?
Jan 23 19:30:13 <av500> musb_hdrc
Jan 23 19:30:35 <av500> ah, ehci
Jan 23 19:30:38 <av500> no idea
Jan 23 19:30:43 <av500> sec
Jan 23 19:32:34 <av500> tasslehoff: hmm, could be that I was wrong, maybe we did not rmmod ehci after all
Jan 23 19:33:00 <av500> I think what we did was to power cycle the phy and whack ehci over the head
Jan 23 19:34:38 <tasslehoff> av500: was it ehci that gave you a hard time?
Jan 23 19:34:54 <av500> ehci suspend was broken
Jan 23 19:34:57 <av500> maybe still is
Jan 23 19:35:11 <av500> ehci and the phy would get out of sync when resuming
Jan 23 19:35:15 <av500> so usb suspend did not work
Jan 23 19:36:09 <tasslehoff> av500: something in usb is, at least. I'll try removing only otg tomorrow to see if its ehci that's broken for me as well
Jan 23 19:36:55 <tasslehoff> if so I'll have to figure out where to whack
Jan 23 19:38:33 <mru> echi-hcd
Jan 23 19:40:31 <tasslehoff> thanks. never worked with kernel modules before, and 'make modules' made a lot of them :)
Jan 23 19:42:52 * neels still no usb
Jan 23 19:43:30 <av500> pastebin boot log
Jan 23 19:44:07 <neels> hmm probably need a term with more scrollback for that -- since no ethernet
Jan 23 19:44:43 <neels> av500, you mean /var/log/boot.log specifically?
Jan 23 19:45:27 <neels> boot.log has absolutely nothing interesting btw.
Jan 23 19:46:28 <av500> no
Jan 23 19:46:32 <av500> the log on your terminal
Jan 23 19:46:46 <av500> but as it does not work, I guees uboot was not enough
Jan 23 19:46:55 <av500> did you ask in #ubuntu-arm?
Jan 23 19:47:08 <neels> no, good idea
Jan 23 19:47:12 <av500> and where is ogra_ when one needs him to glare at
Jan 23 20:02:18 <neels> in the boot I get [    8.114105] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 -- full file in a sec
Jan 23 20:04:12 <neels> av500, http://codepad.org/rjecVs0S
Jan 23 20:04:21 <neels> sorry for the control chars...
Jan 23 20:06:14 <av500> this log is useless
Jan 23 20:06:24 <neels> yeah
Jan 23 20:06:29 <neels> you want dmesg?
Jan 23 20:09:02 <neels> dmesg is http://codepad.org/dJaGq9JY
Jan 23 20:29:31 <djlewis> neels: what is plugged into usb port 2?
Jan 23 20:29:48 <neels> nothing :)
Jan 23 20:30:01 <neels> afaik there's only the internal ethernet device on the usb?
Jan 23 20:52:28 <SIrDerigo> Good Afternoon!!
Jan 23 20:52:34 <SIrDerigo> ¿how are you people doing?
Jan 23 20:53:16 <djlewis> without
Jan 23 21:16:41 <snowrichard> i'm without an upside down question mark
Jan 23 21:21:25 <tasslehoff> it's the inventra I must make a module, while the transceiver driver can stay built in?
Jan 23 21:26:13 <snowrichard> got a power fail from my housekeeper
Jan 23 21:28:50 <neels> FYI, http://releases.linaro.org/images/11.12/oneiric/nano/beagle-nano.img.gz made my day. it just works! :D
Jan 23 21:34:42 <snowrichard> neels what's in that image
Jan 23 21:35:11 <snowrichard> 111mb
Jan 23 21:36:35 <snowrichard> is it ubuntu
Jan 23 21:38:11 <mru> presumably
Jan 23 21:38:22 <mru> the url mentions one-eye rick
Jan 23 21:38:41 <tasslehoff> snowrichard: yep. oneiric is ubuntu 11.10
Jan 23 21:39:00 <snowrichard> yeah i'm using 11.10 on the desktop here
Jan 23 22:09:55 <djlewis> in file path is 11.12
Jan 23 22:15:53 <snowrichard> the 11.12 is the linaro release i belive
Jan 23 22:25:57 <mranostay_sfo> JDmgc: quiet there?
Jan 23 22:30:19 <snowrichard> still waiting on my dvi monitor cables
Jan 23 22:37:03 <djlewis> Hey people! give him his cables!!
Jan 23 22:40:51 * djlewis recalls ordering the dvi cable separetely but it arrived before the BB.
Jan 23 23:01:52 <SirDerigo> Hello!! im trying to install Debian in the beagleboard, the installation worked so far but the gpu is not working, in this wiki: elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
Jan 23 23:03:13 <SirDerigo> is a way to install the graphic driver But, only till 2.6.38 kernel and, the kernel debian is installing is 3.0.1
Jan 23 23:05:41 <SirDerigo> are**
Jan 23 23:15:37 <thurbad> SirDerigo: what is happening with the graphics? what mode are you trying to use?
Jan 23 23:32:23 <mru> http://nodebits.org/wiki-challenge
Jan 23 23:32:27 <SirDerigo> thurbad, when i type glxinfo inside debian
Jan 23 23:32:51 <SirDerigo> it shows is not rendering and, the graphical interface (LXDE) is performing poorly... very slow
Jan 23 23:37:58 <SirDerigo> maybe enabling the gpu i can get a better performance in the UI
Jan 23 23:52:45 <djlewis> later . . .
Jan 24 00:33:08 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 24 00:34:52 * mru thought it was customary to say hi when arriving, not when leaving
Jan 24 00:57:10 <hen> I use angstrom on my beagleboard-xm. is there any way to setup a service discovery protocol server to tell other bluetooth devices where to find a specific rfcomm-server? I cant find a package containing sdpd.
Jan 24 01:26:46 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 24 01:41:23 <snowrichard> wb thurbad
Jan 24 01:41:38 <snowrichard> you in Austin TX? i'm in Marshall tx
Jan 24 01:42:18 <thurbad> yeah
Jan 24 01:43:01 <thurbad> not sure where marshall is...just moved hereabout 6 months ago and rarely get out outside of work
Jan 24 01:43:28 <snowrichard> its far eastern texas i'm 35 miles from downtown shreveport Louisiana
Jan 24 01:46:45 <snowrichard> i go to the VA hospital in Shreveport, our local TV comes from Shreveport
Jan 24 01:49:26 <snowrichard> i went to Austin for an interview to work in AMD's chip fab, but they wouldn't hire me
Jan 24 01:51:43 * mranostay_sfo waves
Jan 24 01:51:52 * SirDerigo waves back
Jan 24 01:52:11 <snowrichard> speak of the Debil
Jan 24 01:52:33 <SirDerigo> thurbad, reinstalled, by now seems OK
Jan 24 01:53:28 <mranostay_sfo> who is the devil?
Jan 24 01:53:45 <snowrichard> elDebil
Jan 24 01:53:46 <thurbad> elDebil... I asume
Jan 24 01:54:35 * mranostay_sfo had a fun day of SF traffic :)
Jan 24 01:55:08 <snowrichard> i've driven in Houston and Dallas, never on west coast
Jan 24 01:55:17 <snowrichard> i don't miss the big city for that
Jan 24 01:56:04 <thurbad> I've been to dallas acouple of times.. too much concrete for me
Jan 24 01:57:57 <snowrichard> grew up near dallas, went to school in Plano in first grade
Jan 24 01:58:35 <snowrichard> a suburb called Wylie for a while
Jan 24 01:58:45 <snowrichard> then commerce which was 70 miles away
Jan 24 01:59:44 <thurbad> plano.. that's where the frys is up there :P
Jan 24 02:01:02 <snowrichard> that was years ago... i'm 54
Jan 24 02:01:13 <snowrichard> i don't know if fry's existed back then
Jan 24 02:01:43 <snowrichard> i know there were no PC's and no smartphones for sure lol
Jan 24 02:01:46 <thurbad> ah, yeah I've only known of frys for maybe 15 years
Jan 24 02:03:07 <snowrichard> my grandmother is 99, she remembers the first cars 
Jan 24 02:54:14 <nemik> have any of you used gzcat on and SD card from OS X? how long does it take? been over 15 minutes now, doesn't seem normal
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Jan 24 04:00:40 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 24 04:06:54 <snowrichard> alancam you work for texas instruments
Jan 24 04:06:55 <snowrichard> ?
Jan 24 04:09:54 <snowrichard> got a relative that worked there for many years, retired now, Jerry Merryman
Jan 24 04:16:09 <ds2> Hmmmm
Jan 24 05:41:38 <_av500_> +1
Jan 24 06:10:51 <champ> hey
Jan 24 06:14:23 <champ> hey
Jan 24 06:14:42 <champ> khasim r u der?
Jan 24 06:32:08 <champ> hey
Jan 24 06:33:17 <champ> can anyone tell me how to send MMS using at commands?
Jan 24 08:57:43 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: fyi: seems its musb and not ehci that's causing my problems (on 2.6.39). 
Jan 24 08:57:58 <tasslehoffwrk> not sure if you need/want the fyi, but now you have it
Jan 24 08:58:27 * av500 files the fyi away
Jan 24 08:58:51 <av500> tasslehoffwrk: well, musb you can easily unload (unless its broken, then you need to fix that first)
Jan 24 08:59:23 <av500> tasslehoffwrk: it seems that TI has big problems understanding: 1) people might want to use usb
Jan 24 08:59:31 <av500> 2) might want to plug usb other than boot time
Jan 24 08:59:36 <av500> 3) might want to unplug
Jan 24 08:59:42 <av500> 4) might want to replug
Jan 24 08:59:50 <av500> 5) might want to switch host/device
Jan 24 08:59:55 <av500> 6) combinations of the above
Jan 24 09:00:42 <av500> how much of that is Mentor's fault I cannot say
Jan 24 09:02:23 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: promising :)
Jan 24 09:03:08 <ynezz> just solder that damn USB device on board! (fixed)
Jan 24 09:03:18 <av500> ynezz: you wish
Jan 24 09:03:27 <tasslehoffwrk> ynezz: we have!
Jan 24 09:03:59 <tasslehoffwrk> we have soldered an smsc95xx onboard on musb, so I hope this should be doable now
Jan 24 09:04:15 <tasslehoffwrk> making musb and sms95xx into modules
Jan 24 09:04:36 <av500> with a hacksaw?
Jan 24 09:08:17 <tasslehoffwrk> I'll try that first
Jan 24 09:11:37 <tasslehoffwrk> hm. maybe I will have to do that, since menuconfig won't let me make it a module on 2.6.39
Jan 24 09:16:09 <koen> av500: depending on you SoC, the DMA is broken as well
Jan 24 09:16:17 <koen> e.g. CPPI on am18x and am335x
Jan 24 09:20:01 <av500> koen: I can accept stuff being broken
Jan 24 09:20:23 <av500> but I have a hard time to swallow EHCI being broken on 3430, 3440, 3630, 4430 and 4460
Jan 24 09:25:44 <tasslehoffwrk> hm. 2.6.39 won't let me make musb a module, and in 3.0 the wakeup_timer_seconds stuff is removed. I'm beginning to understand to see PM a moving target as well...
Jan 24 09:26:49 <av500> tasslehoffwrk: of course
Jan 24 09:26:56 <av500> 3 major rewrites in 2 years :)
Jan 24 09:31:07 <tasslehoffwrk> I
Jan 24 09:31:27 <av500> II
Jan 24 09:31:36 <tasslehoffwrk> gah. I'm so flustered that both grammar and typing skills are gone
Jan 24 09:35:41 <aholler> they changed everything but the bugs
Jan 24 09:40:18 <av500> pm is not so much about bugs, but rather about being complete
Jan 24 09:41:15 <tasslehoffwrk> time to think more on a way to solve this without using suspend...
Jan 24 09:41:16 <av500> I remember that windows NT or XP actually forced every driver into a suspend/resume cycle upon load in order to make sure that they conform, even if the system would then never go to suspend...
Jan 24 09:41:31 <av500> tasslehoffwrk: solve what?
Jan 24 09:42:33 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: we have external devices connected to the vio_18v, and on shutdown I need to go to a low-power mode until they are fully charged, and then shut down.
Jan 24 09:42:52 <tasslehoffwrk> checking periodically over i2c if they are done
Jan 24 09:43:20 <aholler> av500: I thought you are talking about musb
Jan 24 09:43:26 <av500> aholler: ah
Jan 24 09:43:43 <tasslehoffwrk> thought was to go into suspend with a wakeuptimer
Jan 24 09:45:09 <av500> yes
Jan 24 09:45:18 <av500> so unload musb and suspend
Jan 24 09:45:37 <av500> that worked back in .22 :)
Jan 24 09:46:35 <aholler> for that unloading has to work ;)
Jan 24 09:46:41 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: yeah. I'll need to figure out how to make musb a module in .39 for that.
Jan 24 09:47:25 <av500> I have it as a module in .35 too
Jan 24 09:48:23 <av500> have yet to try on 0.8
Jan 24 09:54:46 <tasslehoffwrk> thought about doing the job in u-boot, but that sounds ugly, and u-boot probably doesn't save much power :)
Jan 24 09:55:51 <av500> do it in MLO
Jan 24 09:56:04 <av500> make that peice of code do something usefull for a change
Jan 24 09:56:07 <av500> piece
Jan 24 10:25:21 <tasslehoffwrk> aholler: http://www.mentby.com/alexander-holler/musb-as-module-broken-in-2638.html <- did you find an easy fix for this?
Jan 24 10:27:19 <tasslehoffwrk> I just copied the missing stuff to omap2430.c. Wonder how hard stuff breaks :)
Jan 24 10:30:14 <parana> koen : which one should i choose to install here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ in installation guide , installing .tar.bz2 is told  but 01.2012 version's tar.bz2 is 12mb...
Jan 24 10:30:50 <parana> koen : which one should i choose to install here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ in installation guide , installing .tar.bz2 is told but 01.2012 version's tar.bz2 is 12mb...
Jan 24 10:31:11 <parana> koen : which one should i choose to install here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ in installation guide , installing .tar.bz2 is told but 01.2012 version's tar.bz2 is 12mb...
Jan 24 10:31:18 <parana> koen : which one should i choose to install here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ in installation guide , installing .tar.bz2 is told but 01.2012 version's tar.bz2 is 12mb...
Jan 24 10:32:19 <parana> koen : which one should i choose to install here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ in installation guide , installing .tar.bz2 is told but 01.2012 version's tar.bz2 is 12mb...
Jan 24 10:33:05 <parana> koen : which one should i choose to install here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ in installation guide , installing .tar.bz2 is told but 01.2012 version's tar.bz2 is 12mb...
Jan 24 10:33:28 <av500> tasslehoffwrk: you might also ping felipebalbi in #linux-omap directly
Jan 24 10:33:42 <dm8tbr> parana: stop this, please.
Jan 24 10:34:53 <parana> koen : which one should i choose to install here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ in installation guide , installing .tar.bz2 is told but 01.2012 version's tar.bz2 is 12mb...
Jan 24 10:36:40 <parana> koen : which one should i choose to install here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ in installation guide , installing .tar.bz2 is told but 01.2012 version's tar.bz2 is 12mb...
Jan 24 10:37:19 <Russ__> geez, anybody have ops?
Jan 24 10:38:09 <parana> koen : which one should i choose to install here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ in installation guide , installing .tar.bz2 is told but 01.2012 version's tar.bz2 is 12mb...
Jan 24 10:38:50 <koen> parana: since you are rude enough to keep asking: get lost
Jan 24 10:39:13 <juhsis> koen: i am sorry
Jan 24 10:39:18 <juhsis> i am also parana
Jan 24 10:39:30 <sundar__> lol
Jan 24 10:39:31 <juhsis> but i have problem in my irc client
Jan 24 10:39:52 <juhsis> so i connected with webpage of beagleboard
Jan 24 10:42:45 * LetoThe2nd hand koen some cookies.
Jan 24 10:43:11 <av500> juhsis: irc problems are not an excuse
Jan 24 10:43:29 <av500> for asking 9x the same thing
Jan 24 10:43:39 <av500> fix irc first, then ask
Jan 24 10:43:58 <juhsis> koen: it doest not show anything and i tried if i connected or not by writing..
Jan 24 10:44:22 <av500> juhsis: there are test channels for that
Jan 24 10:44:34 * LetoThe2nd also hands av500 a cookie
Jan 24 10:44:36 <juhsis> av500: first time happening..
Jan 24 10:49:14 <reisei> I think it's time to create #koen channel
Jan 24 10:50:33 <av500> done
Jan 24 10:50:56 <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
Jan 24 10:51:09 <LetoThe2nd> is it official? did you start a koen project?
Jan 24 10:51:21 <av500> yes
Jan 24 10:51:45 <LetoThe2nd> wahts project goal? i might be interested :)
Jan 24 10:52:01 <av500> LetoThe2nd: well, to koen
Jan 24 10:52:21 <LetoThe2nd> av500: ah ok.
Jan 24 10:52:35 <LetoThe2nd> av500: i guess that includes caffeine?
Jan 24 10:52:50 <juhsis> :)
Jan 24 11:00:57 <parana> koen: i solved my irc problem. Sorry again for inconvenience
Jan 24 11:02:20 <parana> now can you pls tell me which one is the correct image?
Jan 24 11:04:01 <aholler> tasslehoffwrk: the easy fix is to not use it as a module. that hasn't worked some time before, so they just changed logic ;)
Jan 24 11:05:58 <tasslehoffwrk> aholler: hum. if I don't have it as a module I can't unload it and suspend.
Jan 24 11:07:03 <tasslehoffwrk> unless maybe I can power it down or mistreat it in some other way..
Jan 24 11:26:51 <bonebone> hi
Jan 24 11:32:47 <aholler> mistreating it sounds useless. how to break something broken?
Jan 24 11:34:25 <aholler> what I've found most astonishing is that now more companies seemed to usemusb ;)
Jan 24 11:34:34 <tasslehoffwrk> :)
Jan 24 11:34:48 <av500> aholler: is it working for any of them?
Jan 24 11:35:03 <aholler> can't as it's at least the same driver ;)
Jan 24 11:35:15 <av500> the tI glue is different
Jan 24 11:36:07 <aholler> but there are still problems outside the glue.
Jan 24 11:37:14 <aholler> maybe it works for them as a module, I don't know
Jan 24 11:41:33 <tasslehoffwrk> perhaps I can power off / disable the inventra + smsc95xx when hitting suspend and power them back up on resume. my last hope :)
Jan 24 11:58:22 <koen> mru: you were right
Jan 24 11:58:33 <koen> mru: "we patch the sync calls out the -native version" <- about rpm being slow
Jan 24 12:20:31 <bonebone> a video i made with beaglebone and a 7 inch lcd
Jan 24 12:20:34 <bonebone> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Te4B59a5w
Jan 24 12:20:46 <bonebone> today, touchscreen mission
Jan 24 12:21:12 <av500> you video would be better with the backlight on
Jan 24 12:21:15 <av500> your
Jan 24 12:21:25 <av500> or take the lens cap off
Jan 24 12:22:14 <bonebone> yes, the camera is crap
Jan 24 12:28:58 <bonebone> i think i'm going to bridge 1.8 volts of ddr to the adc_vdd in the beaglebone, and adc_gnd to dgnd. It's a pitty the 1,8 volts is not exposed in the beaglebone headers
Jan 24 12:30:01 <hitlin37> i don't know about musb,but i have been trying to understand freescale EHCI driver...but there's no herarchy or doc..it looks like a complete mess
Jan 24 12:31:12 <hitlin37> rarely updated
Jan 24 12:33:10 <aholler> freescale ehci?
Jan 24 12:33:17 <hitlin37> yup
Jan 24 12:33:19 <aholler> which beagle uses that?
Jan 24 12:34:11 <hitlin37> no...it s cortex-a8 proprietary board
Jan 24 12:46:43 <bonebone> av500: i have another lcd 7 inch sample, this is more standard, the interface is rgb,hsync,vsync, but this lcd has a lot of powers, Avdd (10 volts), Dvdd(3.3), Vgh (20 volt), Vgl (-15 volt), Vcom (8) and of course the Backlight, if that's not enough the datasheet says that it must be powered in a deterministic order, first avdd, then vgl then vgh.
Jan 24 12:47:48 <bonebone> av500: i have made a board that more or less brings all the tensions with 3 switched regulators, but it's a mess. Do you know the canonical method of doing this?
Jan 24 12:47:59 <parana> koen : can you pls tell me which file should i choose to install from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ i have been trying since this morning..
Jan 24 12:48:03 <bonebone> any chip?
Jan 24 12:48:52 <koen> parana: it's up to you which you choose
Jan 24 12:49:05 <koen> SGX doing scaling and yuv2rgb: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/HBAosQobzJ9
Jan 24 12:51:32 <parana> koen: i want to install the latest one, the 01.2012 img.gz file but when i write "gunzip Angstrom....01.2012.img.gz" and "sudo dd if=./Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img of=/dev/sde" and start beagle, it says cant get kernel image
Jan 24 12:51:36 <bonebone> koen: it looks great!!
Jan 24 12:55:26 <koen> parana: check if the kernel is present in /boot
Jan 24 12:56:00 <parana> it says unable to mount Angstrom
Jan 24 12:56:24 <bonebone> koen: for the lcd touch, do you take the 1.8 volts for ADC_VDD from the beaglebone?
Jan 24 13:04:51 <koen> bonebone: not sure
Jan 24 13:10:25 <parana> koen: when i copy MLO and u-boot.img to first partition. it prints smt. in chinese. But when i copy my old MLO and u-boot.bin it works. But 01.2012.tar.bz2 which is 12mb works.. And i cant event use my keyboard with it..
Jan 24 13:12:21 <parana> can you tell me how to set my sd card correctly?
Jan 24 13:12:22 <bonebone> koen: ok
Jan 24 13:13:32 <aholler> i18n-u-boot and/or kernel, interesting
Jan 24 13:17:37 <tasslehoffwrk> koen: I've created a kernel recipe and changed defconfig to contain CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC=m. anything else I must do in oe-classic to make sure that kernel module is built for my angstrom image?
Jan 24 13:18:35 <parana> guys anyone knows how to install new version of command-line-angstrom ?
Jan 24 13:20:31 <koen> tasslehoffwrk: bump PR, rebuild, check rootfs
Jan 24 13:20:50 <koen> parana: the instructions are on the download page
Jan 24 13:21:10 <parana> nope they are not working..
Jan 24 13:21:48 <tasslehoffwrk> koen: gah. I had a typo in SRC_URI_append_beagleboard so my patches didn't make it
Jan 24 13:25:29 <thurbad> parana have you post your boot log to pastebin?
Jan 24 13:25:41 <parana> which one?
Jan 24 13:26:42 <parana> thurbad : pls read [15:08:52]
Jan 24 13:27:02 <av500> thats 30min into the future
Jan 24 13:27:17 <parana> ups wrong time zones :)
Jan 24 13:27:24 <parana> <parana> koen: when i copy MLO and u-boot.img to first partition. it prints smt. in chinese. But when i copy my old MLO and u-boot.bin it works. But 01.2012.tar.bz2 which is 12mb works.. And i cant event use my keyboard with it..
Jan 24 13:27:24 <av500> what are you going to write then?
Jan 24 13:28:51 <thurbad> so make sure to put the uImage you need in the /boot directory after extracting the rootfs
Jan 24 13:28:58 <parana> and koen: i want to install the latest one, the 01.2012 img.gz file but when i write "gunzip Angstrom....01.2012.img.gz" and "sudo dd if=./Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img of=/dev/sde" and start beagle, it says cant get kernel image
Jan 24 13:34:06 <parana> thurbad : can you tell me how to setup with img.gz pls?
Jan 24 13:47:48 <santhosh_> Hi all
Jan 24 13:48:12 <santhosh_> Getting an error while cross compiling MTD-utils on am335x? 
Jan 24 13:48:53 <santhosh_> I am getting this error "arm-arago-linux-gnueabi-gcc: ftl_format.o: No such file or directory make: *** [ftl_format] Error 1"
Jan 24 13:49:37 <parana> anyone can explain pls how to set up 01.2012 ? But pls dont ask what happened and go away..
Jan 24 13:54:42 <parana> koen : are you still here ?
Jan 24 13:57:01 <snowrichard> parana is it the img.gz marked TI Gnome?
Jan 24 13:57:19 <parana> yes
Jan 24 13:57:29 <parana> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ here
Jan 24 13:57:41 <parana> Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz 
Jan 24 13:58:36 <snowrichard> you can use:  gunzip to uncompress it then dd to copy it to your sd card.  then sync and unmount the card then put it in your beagle and boot
Jan 24 13:59:42 <parana> ok. can you check it out with me?
Jan 24 14:01:41 <snowrichard> would be    gunzip Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz
Jan 24 14:01:56 <parana> i wrote "gunzip Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz" than a .img file with 3.4gb size appeared.
Jan 24 14:02:06 <snowrichard> right
Jan 24 14:02:25 <parana> then should i format sd card?
Jan 24 14:02:38 <parana> with "./mkcard /dev/sde"
Jan 24 14:02:41 <parana> or smt. similar?
Jan 24 14:03:05 <snowrichard> dmesg should tell you what the device is
Jan 24 14:03:14 <snowrichard> on mine its /dev/sdb
Jan 24 14:03:22 <snowrichard> only have 1 hard drive
Jan 24 14:03:22 <parana> mine is /dev/sde
Jan 24 14:03:41 <parana> but my sd card has 2 drives
Jan 24 14:03:47 <parana> should i format then?
Jan 24 14:04:09 <snowrichard> then dd if=Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img of=/dev/sde bs=512M 
Jan 24 14:04:28 <parana> my sd card is 4gb
Jan 24 14:04:29 <snowrichard> then sync
Jan 24 14:04:33 <snowrichard> and eject
Jan 24 14:04:52 <snowrichard> yeah the image will fit on 4GB
Jan 24 14:05:01 <snowrichard> i have an 8GB so i had about 4gb free
Jan 24 14:05:36 <snowrichard> the bs is blocksize using a large size makes it run a little faster
Jan 24 14:07:33 <parana> ok working..
Jan 24 14:32:02 <parana> snowrichard : it said finished, now "sync" and eject?
Jan 24 14:32:48 <snowrichard> yes
Jan 24 14:32:56 <parana> cant get kernel image
Jan 24 14:33:12 <parana> ok i think it is better to download this image again
Jan 24 14:44:42 <alinrus_> might seem retarded as I have no experience with HDMI. I have a HDMI port on my laptop, is it possible to connect the beagleboard to output video on HDMI and to read that from the laptop and maybe use something la xrandr(?) to read that?
Jan 24 14:45:19 <LetoThe2nd> alinrus_: no.
Jan 24 14:45:57 <av500> HDMI out != HDMI in
Jan 24 14:46:36 <alinrus_> x11 over ssh it is
Jan 24 15:03:20 <JDmgc> mranostay_sfo:  mediawiki
Jan 24 15:03:41 <parana> snowrichard : ok now it works
Jan 24 15:03:45 <parana> thx
Jan 24 15:03:48 <mranostay_sfo> JDmgc: er? :)
Jan 24 15:03:54 <parana> but my screen flickers now
Jan 24 15:04:31 <JDmgc> mranostay_sfo:   Getting all the LDAP fields into it and working correctly.  Bit of a trial and error thing -- more error atm.
Jan 24 15:04:47 <JDmgc> mranostay_sfo:  How's the search going?
Jan 24 15:05:32 <mranostay_sfo> ok. sticker shock of course
Jan 24 15:05:46 <JDmgc> mranostay_sfo:   I'll bet.
Jan 24 15:06:12 <mranostay_sfo> JDmgc: probably more than you pay on your mortgage :)
Jan 24 15:06:36 <av500> cozy garage can't be too expensive....
Jan 24 15:07:41 <JDmgc>  /me chuckles.
Jan 24 15:08:00 * JDmgc chuckles without a space this time.
Jan 24 15:08:25 <JDmgc> mranostay_sfo:  Don't forget what part of the city I live in.   :-)
Jan 24 15:08:28 <mdp>  mranostay_sfo, you might split a place with 11 H1B workers :)
Jan 24 15:09:14 <parana> koen : i have installed that img. but my screen flickers now. And It doesnt see usb ports..
Jan 24 15:10:40 <mdp> mranostay_sfo: too bad tlbmiss has so many cars in his car condo space…that place is nicer than most people's homes in the bay area
Jan 24 15:19:23 <mranostay_sfo> JDmgc: ok maybe not :)
Jan 24 15:19:39 <mranostay_sfo> it just isn't the 3500 sq ft mansion you have :P
Jan 24 15:20:37 <parana> Is there anyone had screen flickering problem before?
Jan 24 15:24:17 <koen> mdp: this makes adding wires and changing bones a lot easier: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/6755185019
Jan 24 15:24:38 <av500> koen: lol, Innovator II
Jan 24 15:25:23 <mdp> heh
Jan 24 15:25:38 <av500> http://omappedia.org/images/4/44/Omap1510_innovator_breakout.gif
Jan 24 15:25:39 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 24 15:25:47 <av500> koen: but you steal from the best
Jan 24 15:29:47 <parana> snowrichard : hi
Jan 24 15:29:52 <parana> thx for you help
Jan 24 15:30:07 <snowrichard> did you get it to boot parana
Jan 24 15:30:14 <parana> yeap
Jan 24 15:30:20 <parana> but 2 problems left 
Jan 24 15:30:27 <parana> 1- screen is flickering
Jan 24 15:30:36 <parana> 2- usb ports unvisible
Jan 24 15:31:32 <snowrichard> my usb ok, but the video flashing i had too , thought it was because its a crt tv
Jan 24 15:32:03 <parana> video flashing or completely LCD flashing?
Jan 24 15:32:33 <snowrichard> looks like only part of the screen updated at a time
Jan 24 15:32:44 <snowrichard> on my hdmi tv
Jan 24 15:33:06 <parana> my lcd is 10seconds closed
Jan 24 15:33:13 <snowrichard> i'm getting dvi lcd hooked up in a few days when i get cables
Jan 24 15:33:13 <parana> than started to flickering
Jan 24 15:33:28 <parana> after 2 seconds, again black screen
Jan 24 15:33:47 <parana> mine is dvi-lcd
Jan 24 15:41:07 <snowrichard> you should be able to set the resolution in uEnv.txt
Jan 24 15:44:12 <parana> what to set? and how to set?
Jan 24 15:44:59 <parana> is it ok : omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60
Jan 24 15:48:44 <parana> snowrichard : ^?
Jan 24 15:49:07 <snowrichard> found a forum post -- http://osdir.com/ml/beagleboard/2011-11/msg00714.html
Jan 24 15:49:34 <snowrichard> there was some more info on elinux wiki
Jan 24 15:52:05 <parana> snowrichard: you are the one :)
Jan 24 15:52:13 <parana> solved
Jan 24 15:52:27 <parana> and last problem: when i write lsusb:
Jan 24 15:52:37 <aholler> the one whoc can use google?
Jan 24 15:52:43 <parana> i get this : Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Jan 24 15:53:19 <snowrichard> yeah so your usb root hub is active
Jan 24 15:53:30 <parana> aholler: i suppose i cant because all the webpages in google said setting bootargs to "omapfb.mode=dvi:480x272-16@60"
Jan 24 15:54:01 <parana> snowrichard: but i have 5 different devices connected to hub
Jan 24 15:54:10 <parana> which is externally supported
Jan 24 15:54:26 <parana> in my old angstrom i can use all of them at same time
Jan 24 15:55:20 <snowrichard> i have a unpowered usb hub with a keyboard, mouse, and ethernet adapter
Jan 24 15:55:33 <snowrichard> the bb is powered with the 5v wall wart
Jan 24 15:55:56 <parana> my bb is version b7
Jan 24 15:56:12 <parana> so it has usb otg
Jan 24 15:58:29 <snowrichard> http://pastebin.com/4WqYaC4i
Jan 24 15:59:55 <parana> http://pastebin.com/80rqKj46
Jan 24 16:02:52 <parana> snowrichard : adding this line to uenv.txt solved : "g_ether.host_addr=16:0F:15:5A:E1:21  g_ether.dev_addr=16:0F:15:5A:E1:20'"
Jan 24 16:03:02 <parana> thx for all helps :)
Jan 24 16:03:24 <snowrichard> oh ok
Jan 24 16:03:53 <parana> but not exactly that solved.. Still "modprobe g_ether" needed
Jan 24 16:06:40 <snowrichard> there is a directory /etc/modutiles with a file for each module to be loaded
Jan 24 16:06:48 <snowrichard> /etc/modutils sorr
Jan 24 16:07:10 <parana> ok thx, i was searching for it now :)
Jan 24 16:07:37 <snowrichard> then it says read man page for update-modules
Jan 24 16:42:48 <felipealmeida> hello. How do I use the IVA subsystem?
Jan 24 16:43:59 <av500> depends
Jan 24 16:44:12 <felipealmeida> on what?
Jan 24 16:44:28 <av500> you mean the DSP or the HW accelerators for video decoding
Jan 24 16:44:31 <av500> ?
Jan 24 16:45:06 <felipealmeida> HW accelerators. IIUC on OMAP4 the DSP is weaker, and most of the processing is done only in the IVA
Jan 24 16:45:15 <av500> yes
Jan 24 16:45:48 <felipealmeida> the linux kernel has drivers for the IVA, or is it used some other way?
Jan 24 16:46:04 <av500> no
Jan 24 16:46:12 <av500> you have dsplink or dspbridge to talk to the dsp
Jan 24 16:46:52 <av500> then dsp codecs can use the HW accelerators
Jan 24 16:46:52 <felipealmeida> yes, and syslink for omap4 (I only have a beagle right now)
Jan 24 16:46:58 <av500> yes
Jan 24 16:47:08 <av500> but omap3 IVA != omap4 IVA
Jan 24 16:47:18 <av500> omap3 IVA = dsp + HW accels
Jan 24 16:47:35 <av500> omap4 IVS = 2x M3 + HW accels that do a lot more
Jan 24 16:47:43 <av500> + a useless DSP
Jan 24 16:47:46 <felipealmeida> oh
Jan 24 16:47:51 <felipealmeida> I see
Jan 24 16:48:10 <felipealmeida> these HW accels for beagle are what? instructions? or just the DSP code that runs on the dsp?
Jan 24 16:48:20 <av500> no
Jan 24 16:48:26 <av500> real hw accelerators
Jan 24 16:48:40 <av500> hw units that do stuff
Jan 24 16:48:46 <av500> like DCT/IDCT
Jan 24 16:48:50 <av500> VLC/VLD
Jan 24 16:48:59 <av500> motion estimation
Jan 24 16:49:18 <felipealmeida> I see. And this is called from kernel, dsp or userland?
Jan 24 16:49:22 <av500> dsp
Jan 24 16:49:52 <felipealmeida> are these specified somewhere?
Jan 24 16:50:11 <av500> yes
Jan 24 16:50:17 <av500> but not publicly
Jan 24 16:50:58 <felipealmeida> thanks. That was really englightening
Jan 24 16:53:20 <aholler> so the dsp in omap4 is just there emit calls to iva?
Jan 24 16:53:45 <av500> no
Jan 24 16:53:49 <av500> its there to do nothing
Jan 24 16:54:19 <aholler> but you just wrote the hw-stuff is called from the dsp
Jan 24 16:54:38 <av500> yes, on omap3
Jan 24 16:54:56 <av500> and no, it's not "just", it also does stuff
Jan 24 16:56:29 <aholler> ah, ok. misunderstood that. so the hw-accels in omap4 are not called using the dsp.
Jan 24 16:57:44 <av500> on omap4, the M3s call them
Jan 24 17:00:55 <aholler> just thought they are only callable from the dsp to give that thing a reason. ;)
Jan 24 17:05:40 <felipealmeida> av500: Is it possible to create code to run on the M3's?
Jan 24 17:05:47 <av500> sure
Jan 24 17:06:04 <felipealmeida> that would be using syslink?
Jan 24 17:06:19 <av500> http://omappedia.org/wiki/DistributedCodecEngine
Jan 24 17:06:30 <av500> that is outdated, but has a lot about the build tools
Jan 24 17:06:40 <av500> thats on syslink 2, now syslink 3 is there
Jan 24 17:06:54 <mru> isn't that being replaced or renamed too?
Jan 24 17:07:31 <av500> all the time
Jan 24 17:07:45 <felipealmeida> I see, so I would be able to use four cores at the same time on a OMAP4
Jan 24 17:07:57 <felipealmeida> with two cores, running at 200mhz only
Jan 24 17:07:57 <av500> there are not consecutive commits in linus kernel git that have a common set of TI apis.....
Jan 24 17:08:07 <av500> and no MMU
Jan 24 17:08:17 <av500> ah no
Jan 24 17:08:22 <av500> there is a MMU
Jan 24 17:08:31 <av500> so you, go for linux on 4 cores
Jan 24 17:08:50 <felipealmeida> and plus the DSP
Jan 24 17:09:38 <mru> aholler: nobody has yet figured out the reason for the (half) dsp on omap4 existing at all
Jan 24 17:09:49 <av500> quarter
Jan 24 17:09:51 <mru> it's probably there because TI makes dsps
Jan 24 17:09:57 <felipealmeida> quarter?
Jan 24 17:09:59 <mdp> heh
Jan 24 17:10:07 <mru> felipealmeida: half dsp, half clock
Jan 24 17:10:16 <mdp> mru, when you have a hammer...
Jan 24 17:10:22 <felipealmeida> that's bad
Jan 24 17:10:28 <mru> mdp: everything looks like a thumb
Jan 24 17:10:34 <mdp> mmmhmm
Jan 24 17:10:36 <av500> rumour has it it was a mistake in an excel sheet, it has half the SIMD width and should have had 2x the speed, but it got /2 instead
Jan 24 17:10:42 <felipealmeida> a dsp could prove useful for TS filtering I think
Jan 24 17:10:49 <av500> TS?
Jan 24 17:10:57 <felipealmeida> mpeg2 transport stream
Jan 24 17:11:02 <mru> uh?
Jan 24 17:11:02 <av500> on a dsp?
Jan 24 17:11:09 <felipealmeida> for filtering tables, etc
Jan 24 17:11:14 <mru> on a dsp?
Jan 24 17:11:18 <av500> uh?
Jan 24 17:11:34 <felipealmeida> well, I heard it is not uncommon (from working in a TV middleware company)
Jan 24 17:11:52 <mru> why would you use a dsp for that
Jan 24 17:12:01 <av500> well, if you only have a dsp....
Jan 24 17:12:05 <jay69811> uh oh… you've angered them
Jan 24 17:12:11 <mru> if you don't have dedicated hardware, any old arm will do it just fine
Jan 24 17:12:27 <felipealmeida> yeah, they usually have a MIPS and a very good DSP
Jan 24 17:12:30 <mdp> let's say I only have a 6502..can I use that?
Jan 24 17:12:35 <av500> mdp: sure
Jan 24 17:12:42 <mdp> ok, good
Jan 24 17:12:43 <felipealmeida> I think the video/audio streams don't even get out of the dsp
Jan 24 17:12:44 <mdp> *whew*
Jan 24 17:12:47 <av500> all it needs to process are 188bytes at a time
Jan 24 17:12:59 <av500> or 192
Jan 24 17:13:14 <mru> or 204
Jan 24 17:13:33 <felipealmeida> it was ISDB-T there, so 188
Jan 24 17:13:59 <mru> I know a thing or two about tv chips
Jan 24 17:14:21 * av500 should hand mru the 7109 at Fosdem :)
Jan 24 17:14:24 <mdp> can you be more exact? one or two things?
Jan 24 17:14:24 <mru> and they don't have what you'd normally call a dsp for transport stream filtering
Jan 24 17:14:34 <felipealmeida> about chips I know next to nothing. But I know a little more about TS/DSMCC standards
Jan 24 17:14:57 <mru> I know enough about dsmcc to go nowhere near it
Jan 24 17:15:05 * av500 knows nothing much, but loves to be on IRC...
Jan 24 17:15:09 <aholler> ti is _the_ dsp company, so they just can't go without ;)
Jan 24 17:15:22 <av500> aholler: too bad the bone has none....
Jan 24 17:15:27 <av500> its a doomed product
Jan 24 17:15:33 <felipealmeida> mru: I see, they usually had a few "filters" which they let us use for middleware
Jan 24 17:15:49 <aholler> oh, I already thought that, doesn't it have two musb?
Jan 24 17:15:59 <mru> felipealmeida: yes, and those filters are dedicated hardware
Jan 24 17:16:12 <mru> special hardware that filters ts streams and does nothing else
Jan 24 17:16:13 <mdp> sadly, the group that makes the chip doesn't have any dsps…like an anti-ti org
Jan 24 17:16:27 <mdp> but you can have all the prus you want
Jan 24 17:16:29 <felipealmeida> mru: I see. That's probably cheaper too
Jan 24 17:16:43 <av500> mdp: do you think the level shifters have DSPs? judging from the price, they might....
Jan 24 17:16:54 <mdp> lol
Jan 24 17:17:18 <mru> for (;;) { int val = read(); val *= 3.3/1.8; write(val); }
Jan 24 17:17:36 <av500> mru: now do it in 16x SIMD
Jan 24 17:17:52 <av500> #pragma paralalalalize
Jan 24 17:19:36 <koen> mru: the libav upgrade from 0.6.3 to 0.7.4 seems to have given me a nice speedup
Jan 24 17:19:50 <mru> koen: now go try 0.8
Jan 24 17:20:26 <koen> baby steps :)
Jan 24 17:22:55 <av500> omg: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/372385/ubuntu-rips-up-drop-down-menus
Jan 24 17:23:39 <av500> ubuntu is not going windows, its going emacs
Jan 24 17:23:40 <prpplague> koen: http://imagebin.org/195278
Jan 24 17:23:44 <mru> so it's a poor imitation of emacs M-x
Jan 24 17:24:12 <av500> as if "standard" users even know what to type into that search field
Jan 24 17:24:26 <mru> av500: have you not noticed that windows7 has a text entry box in the start menu?
Jan 24 17:24:39 <av500> hunting though drop downs lets you at least see possible commands
Jan 24 17:24:48 <av500> with no menu, people will be just lost
Jan 24 17:24:53 <mru> tab completion?
Jan 24 17:25:10 <av500> mru: sure....
Jan 24 17:25:26 <mouser> Hi, I'm trying to install Angstrom to my SD card, can someone give me some help?
Jan 24 17:25:39 <mru> a command box of sorts is actually common in older software
Jan 24 17:25:42 <mru> like autocad
Jan 24 17:25:53 <mru> or lauterbach trace32
Jan 24 17:26:04 <av500> mru: just what MMe Michu is used to
Jan 24 17:26:12 <mouser> I just ran mkcard.txt, but I don't think I have a /media/rootfs
Jan 24 17:26:38 <koen> prpplague: I'm affraid I have asked this before: what kind of connector for the lvds?
Jan 24 17:26:52 <av500> some flex usually
Jan 24 17:27:09 <aholler> reminds me of zork i-iii
Jan 24 17:27:24 <aholler> gimp as textadventure ;)
Jan 24 17:27:28 <prpplague> koen: the animal-lvds mini just uses 0.1" 2x20 header, more for prototyping
Jan 24 17:27:44 <prpplague> koen: the full size animal-lvds has the ipex 20455 connector
Jan 24 17:31:18 <aholler> so 12.4 should become the nickname "the resurrection of infocom" ;)
Jan 24 17:31:57 <prpplague> koen: i'll get you a set of animal boards as soon as i can 
Jan 24 17:31:59 <felipealmeida> koen: are you koen from angstrom?
Jan 24 17:32:28 <prpplague> koen da angstrom 
Jan 24 17:32:59 <aholler> btw. someone seems to have compiled suse for arm
Jan 24 17:33:50 <felipealmeida> koen: I'm seeing something strange between unpack and prepsources for ti-dmai for beagleboard (omap3530)
Jan 24 17:33:56 <felipealmeida> in angstrom from git master
Jan 24 17:34:38 <felipealmeida> it generates dmai_2_10_00_01+svnr642.tar.gz but all files are inside dmai/ inside the tar.gz
Jan 24 17:35:00 <felipealmeida> so it doesn't find Makefile because it is in a sub-directory
Jan 24 17:36:29 <sre-su> Hello! Is this the right place to get help on UniBoard?
Jan 24 17:37:46 <koen> felipealmeida: weird
Jan 24 17:38:05 <koen> mru: another reason to vomit on opencv: they picked ffmpeg
Jan 24 17:38:33 <felipealmeida> it doesn't happen in maintenance-2011.03
Jan 24 17:38:57 <felipealmeida> and it happens even if I change the revision to 570 (what was on 2011.03 for beagleboard)
Jan 24 17:39:22 <av500> sre-su: what board?
Jan 24 17:40:53 * av500 thinks alancam must have sensed that todays topic is DSP
Jan 24 17:40:59 <sre-su> av500: uniboard - http://code.google.com/p/uniboard/
Jan 24 17:41:21 <av500> and what makes you think this is the right place?
Jan 24 17:41:41 <av500> you want to run beagle desktop search on it?
Jan 24 17:42:07 <jay69811> sre-nu, not the right place for atmel
Jan 24 17:42:24 <sre-su> av500: I asked if it is. 
Jan 24 17:42:28 <sre-su> Ok thanks jay69811
Jan 24 17:42:41 <av500> sre-su: sorry, no
Jan 24 17:43:04 <sre-su> Ok
Jan 24 17:43:32 <jay69811> if you want to talk ARM however :)
Jan 24 17:44:04 <felipealmeida> koen: it seems that -c unpack already creates dmai_2_10_00_01+svnr642 directory
Jan 24 17:44:43 <mouser> Ok, I ran mkcard.txt and now I have 2 partitions, boot and Angstrom.
Jan 24 17:44:48 <felipealmeida> so when release.sh executes mv dmai dmai_$1
Jan 24 17:44:49 <sre-su> jay69811: Could you guide me to atmel channel, please?
Jan 24 17:45:01 <felipealmeida> it moves dmai inside dmai_2_10_00_01+svnr642
Jan 24 17:45:03 <mouser> do I copy MLO and uboot.img to the boot partition?
Jan 24 17:45:26 <jay69811> sre-su, i couldn't make a recommendation, sorry
Jan 24 17:46:01 <sre-su> jay69811: Ok, I'll find it. Thanks
Jan 24 17:47:26 <jsabeaudry> mouser, Are you on beagleboard or beaglebone?
Jan 24 17:47:52 <mouser> jsabeaudry: beagleboard xm
Jan 24 17:48:29 <jsabeaudry> mouser, Sorry I only know beaglebone stuff.
Jan 24 17:49:08 <jsabeaudry> mouser, If you were on the bone, yes you would need to copy these two files to the boot partition
Jan 24 17:49:11 <jay69811> mouser: yeah, you probably want MLO and uboot.img on the boot/fat partition
Jan 24 17:49:54 <mouser> then I unpack to /media/Angstrom instead of /media/rootfs as it says in the directions I'm guessing?
Jan 24 17:49:59 <mouser> well, I'll try it
Jan 24 17:50:10 <jay69811> wherever the ext2 partition is mounted
Jan 24 17:50:52 <mouser> this seems to be going much better haha
Jan 24 17:51:57 <felipealmeida> koen: I think openembedded creates the directory because it is specified in ${S}
Jan 24 17:55:45 <av500> http://www.gnublin.org/index.php?title=Hauptseite
Jan 24 17:55:47 <mouser> well I'm going to try this out, thanks for your help
Jan 24 18:54:28 <Giovanni_> sorry someone know what set static ip on beagleboard xm
Jan 24 18:54:58 <Giovanni_> I try to set by file /etc/network/interfaces
Jan 24 18:55:02 <Giovanni_> but nothing
Jan 24 18:55:14 <Giovanni_> the ip is for ever 192.168.1.1
Jan 24 19:02:21 <koen> av500: st nicks is on the chickenmarket, right?
Jan 24 19:02:38 <Crnkoj_> hey guys i was told i shoudl ask here about cflags for arm cpus, i have a pandaboard with omap4460 and gentoo on it, what cflags woudl be suggested ?
Jan 24 19:03:46 <mru> koen: yes
Jan 24 19:03:53 <Crnkoj_> specifically im wondering about -mfpu=neon -mtune=cortex-a9 -march=armv7-a -mthumb 
Jan 24 19:04:08 <Crnkoj_> im using a -mfloat-abi=hard with chost hardfloat
Jan 24 19:04:13 <jay6981> well do you want thumb code?
Jan 24 19:04:24 <Crnkoj_> ye but i hear its buggy at times
Jan 24 19:04:24 <mru> why not ask on #pandaboard?
Jan 24 19:04:29 <Crnkoj_> people dont know there
Jan 24 19:04:41 <Crnkoj_> asked #gentoo-embedded and got a suggestion to go here and ask you mru  :)
Jan 24 19:04:45 <mru> same people here
Jan 24 19:05:05 <Crnkoj_> well asked on pandaboard a few times, noone responded :(
Jan 24 19:06:01 <jay6981> the flags aren't very well documented… 
Jan 24 19:06:16 <jay6981> doesn't mtune=cortex-a9 imply arch v7a?
Jan 24 19:06:22 <Crnkoj_> ye i googled around quite a lot cant really find somethign satisfying
Jan 24 19:06:28 <Crnkoj_> i assume it does
Jan 24 19:06:34 <Crnkoj_> thats why im asking i dont know
Jan 24 19:06:36 <jay6981> probably depends on which gcc you use also
Jan 24 19:06:47 <Crnkoj_> just got the board today, read a bit on this aroudn but havent found this
Jan 24 19:06:49 <mru> it does not
Jan 24 19:07:10 <mru> -mcpu does
Jan 24 19:07:11 <Crnkoj_> 4.5.3 gcc
Jan 24 19:07:38 <jay6981> why not?
Jan 24 19:09:31 <mru> that's the whole point
Jan 24 19:10:15 <Crnkoj_> uhm
Jan 24 19:10:23 <Crnkoj_> so any suggiestions as to that ?
Jan 24 19:11:02 <koen> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.5.3/gcc/ARM-Options.html
Jan 24 19:11:38 <Crnkoj_> ye thanks willlook through it
Jan 24 19:12:08 <jay6981> Crnkoj_:  so i guess it matters on what cores your binaries will need to run on
Jan 24 19:46:20 <_av500__> -O7
Jan 24 19:57:43 <Crnkoj_> jay6981,  yes for now theyll jsut have to run on omap 4460
Jan 24 20:27:52 <mouser> I was unsuccessful installing angstrom :(
Jan 24 20:30:57 <Crofton|work> http://pastebin.com/aBBkrtCT
Jan 24 20:31:15 <Crofton|work> anyone see any reason this partition table would not resutl in an MLO that loads
Jan 24 20:37:42 <_av500__> Crofton|work: i wrote a nice test tool
Jan 24 20:38:00 <Crofton|work> ok
Jan 24 20:38:06 <Crofton|work> what does that mean?
Jan 24 20:38:38 <snowrichard> waiting for Godot
Jan 24 20:38:44 <_av500__> google "solving omap3 boot mystery"
Jan 24 20:39:12 <_av500__> Crofton|work: and make sure you have no 63 hardcoded mlo
Jan 24 20:39:13 <snowrichard> satellite tech laptop died so he went and bought another one, will arrive around 5
Jan 24 20:39:37 <Crofton|work> mlo is 1.4.4ss from around OCt 24 last year
Jan 24 20:39:41 <Crofton|work> so should be ok
Jan 24 20:39:47 <_av500__> yes
Jan 24 20:44:37 <Crofton|work> so it passes the test program also
Jan 24 20:44:48 <Crofton|work> but I get garbage when it tries to boot
Jan 24 20:44:56 <Crofton|work> [balister@moose ~]$ sudo ./omap3-boot /dev/sdf
Jan 24 20:44:56 <Crofton|work> start: 128  mbr: 130944  bpb: 130944 -> PASS
Jan 24 21:04:06 <Crofton|work> _av500__, so the other detail is the cards that do not boot were duplicated in one of these duplicating machines from a working master
Jan 24 21:08:39 <mouser> so I ran the mkcard.txt and now I can't get ubuntu to recognize the sd card
Jan 24 21:27:34 <ssh_> does anyone know how to use the beagleboard to output the pattern described in (http://e2e.ti.com/support/dlp__mems_micro-electro-mechanical_systems/f/94/t/138021.aspx?PageIndex=2) 
Jan 24 21:30:23 <prpplague> ssh_: not sure i understand your post
Jan 24 21:31:51 <prpplague> ssh_: if you are using linux, and you have the framebuffer configured you simply write the pixel value to the framebuffer memory location
Jan 24 21:33:31 <ssh_> prpplague: wouldn't the desktop manager interfere?
Jan 24 21:34:01 <ds2> then get rid of the desktopmanager
Jan 24 21:34:04 <prpplague> ssh_: well yea, if you have something already accessing the framebuffer
Jan 24 21:34:59 <ssh_> how would I get rid of the desktop manager? (btw that's only 1 thing I can think of, is there any other program that access the framebuffer?)
Jan 24 21:35:48 <prpplague> ssh_: yes there are many other programs that can access the framebuffer, but i am not sure that is the actual question you are wanting to ask
Jan 24 21:37:25 <ssh_> prpplague: suppose I have the data described in that forum post in a file, how would I output that data to the hdmi/dvi port without interference from any other programs?
Jan 24 21:38:31 <prpplague> ssh_: i don't understand your post, but as far as the other applications, do not have them running....
Jan 24 21:39:11 <Russ> oi, instills so much trust, "The passwords were protected by an industry standard strong encryption mechanism.  Beyond that, I am not at liberty to say. (Besides which, publicizing the specific encryption mechanism might also provide valuable information to a potential attacker.)"
Jan 24 21:39:32 <Russ> aka, we stored the passwords in a password protected excel spreadsheet, or maybe a password protected zip file
Jan 24 21:40:25 <ssh_> prpplague: how would I know which programs access the fb, and how would I disable sth like the desktop manager?
Jan 24 21:41:36 <prpplague> ssh_: sorry there are too many variables and options for me to advise you on that, you should at least know what programs you have running on your root filesystem
Jan 24 21:41:56 <prpplague> ssh_: a simple command: ps -ef 
Jan 24 21:42:03 <prpplague> ssh_: will show you all programs running
Jan 24 21:42:24 <prpplague> ssh_: i suspect x windows is probably the only application accessing framebuffer
Jan 24 21:43:00 <prpplague> ssh_: you need to understand how framebuffer works and how programs use framebuffer before you can start thinking about accessing a single pixel
Jan 24 21:43:17 <ssh_> prpplague: is there a way to check which programs are accessing the fb?
Jan 24 21:45:10 <ssh_> prpplague: for the desktop manager, I read about using "/etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop" but that doesn't seem to work (gpe-dm not found)
Jan 24 21:45:41 <ssh_> prpplague: I have also tried "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" but that doesn't seem to have any effect
Jan 24 21:45:44 <prpplague> ssh_: i have no clue what rootfs you are using, you probably need to read the documenation of whatever you are using for a rootfs
Jan 24 21:46:40 <Mojito1> Or never start the display manager at all if you want complete control of the screen
Jan 24 21:49:28 <ssh_> prpplague: I use the files from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
Jan 24 21:50:13 <prpplague> ssh_: then an easy way would be to use the angstrom console image, that should have all the basics without the x running
Jan 24 21:51:23 <ssh_> prpplague: but wouldn't that mean the console is accessing the fb?
Jan 24 21:52:00 <prpplague> ssh_: console allows for switching between virtual consoles
Jan 24 21:55:09 <ssh_> prpplague: would there be a program that output the console text to the screen regarless of which console I'm in
Jan 24 21:56:02 <prpplague> ssh_: sorry i can;t hold your hand on this, gotta get back to work, please google: framebuffer howto
Jan 24 21:57:34 <ssh_> thanks
Jan 24 21:57:54 <thurbad> are you trying to use pixels or text?
Jan 24 21:58:54 <ssh_> thurbad: I'm trying to use pixel
Jan 24 22:00:30 <ssh_> thurbad: I'm trying to output to the hdmi/dvi port the data described by Pascal in the last post of http://e2e.ti.com/support/dlp__mems_micro-electro-mechanical_systems/f/94/t/138021.aspx?PageIndex=2
Jan 24 22:02:42 <thurbad> you may want to look into a library that will handle the framebuffers for you if you don't want to handle them manually
Jan 24 22:06:06 <ssh_> thurbad: I thought the only thing I need to do with the fb is to write to the appropriate fbN file
Jan 24 22:06:46 <ssh_> thurbad: my issue is dealing with other programs that share/access the fb
Jan 24 22:07:58 <_av500__> Crofton|work: no idea then
Jan 24 22:08:22 <Russ> ssh_, fuser /dev/fb0
Jan 24 22:11:06 <ssh_> Russ: what does that supposed to do? I didn't notice any change after executing it
Jan 24 22:12:02 <ssh_> nothing is printed in return
Jan 24 22:12:56 <tasslehoff> ssh_: shows you who (if anyone) is using /dev/fb0
Jan 24 22:14:15 <Russ> (run it under sudo or root)
Jan 24 22:15:36 <ssh_> Russ: I did, but it didn't print anything
Jan 24 22:15:52 <ssh_> I have also tried fb, fb1, fb2, none of them give me anything
Jan 24 22:16:17 <Russ> /dev/dri/card0?
Jan 24 22:17:03 <ssh_> Russ: not found
Jan 24 22:19:34 <Russ> /dev/<tty you want to draw to>
Jan 24 22:21:25 <ssh_> could you explain what u mean by "tty you want to draw to"
Jan 24 22:23:11 <ds2> Russ: ROT26 encryption.
Jan 24 22:23:53 <thurbad> tty would be a terminal window, not a framebuffer
Jan 24 22:24:07 <Russ> thurbad, eh, that's what X has open for me
Jan 24 22:24:11 <Russ> tty7
Jan 24 22:24:51 <thurbad> I thought tty's were character devices
Jan 24 22:25:12 <Russ> dunno, it also has /dev/dri/card1 open
Jan 24 22:26:11 <ds2> so are /dev/fb devices
Jan 24 22:27:06 <thurbad> hmm, all I know is I'm using the slow sdl, for handling framebuffers, it works but is pretty slow
Jan 24 22:28:07 <ssh_> Russ: I'm not sure if this is what you were asking me to do but I use "who" to find the tty I'm using (tty3) and "fuser /dev/tty3" prints nothing
Jan 24 22:28:59 <Russ> ssh_, if you want to just draw stuff, why not just use pygtk or something
Jan 24 22:34:25 <ssh_> Russ: I not drawing stuff on the Linux screen, though. The data sent out of the hdmi/dvi port will be interpreted by a picoprojector for a high freq output mode
Jan 24 22:35:06 <ds2> ssh_: have you tried it using normal modes?
Jan 24 22:35:27 <Russ> ssh_, I'm confused, do you want to draw things on the framebuffer or not/
Jan 24 22:36:18 <ssh_> ds2: you mean does the picoproj display the linux desktop?
Jan 24 22:36:22 <_av500_> ssh_: why dont you just write your data to /dev/fb0?
Jan 24 22:36:42 <ds2> ssh_: no, I mean for your app
Jan 24 22:37:05 <ds2> it is a 320x480 sensor, IIRC
Jan 24 22:37:09 <ds2> so...
Jan 24 22:37:29 <ssh_> Russ: the data I need to output to the hdmi/dvi is described in Pascal's last post here: http://e2e.ti.com/support/dlp__mems_micro-electro-mechanical_systems/f/94/t/138021.aspx?PageIndex=2
Jan 24 22:38:09 <ssh_> _av500_: other programs (desktop manager, console) may be accessing the fb too
Jan 24 22:38:53 <Russ> so...640x480@60Hz
Jan 24 22:39:00 <_av500_> ssh_: so disable x11
Jan 24 22:39:04 <_av500_> and the console
Jan 24 22:39:15 <Russ> I fail to see why drawing with pygtk on X would not work
Jan 24 22:39:36 <_av500_> anything that fills the screen will work
Jan 24 22:39:47 <Russ> right
Jan 24 22:40:44 <Russ> why do you want to use the "1440Hz" mode anyway?
Jan 24 22:41:04 <_av500_> ssh_: i dont get your problem
Jan 24 22:41:14 <_av500_> just output stuff on fb0 and be happy
Jan 24 22:41:29 <ssh_> I need the 1440Hz for a lab project
Jan 24 22:42:12 <Russ> what does 1440Hz mode do?
Jan 24 22:42:25 <_av500_> toggle each mirror at 1440hz
Jan 24 22:42:36 <Russ> so its just a test pattern?
Jan 24 22:42:42 <_av500_> something like that
Jan 24 22:42:57 <_av500_> structured light
Jan 24 22:43:03 <_av500_> for stuff like 3d capture
Jan 24 22:43:14 <ds2> if you are fighting the desktop, you are not ready to do those modes
Jan 24 22:43:15 <Russ> ya, if ssh_ has no clue what he is doing, and it just wants to output a static pattern to the pico projector
Jan 24 22:43:18 <_av500_> project a regular pattern and obseve how it is distracted
Jan 24 22:43:27 <ds2> get it to work first then worry about the extra modes
Jan 24 22:43:29 <Russ> just make an image or use pygtk and display it full screen
Jan 24 22:43:43 <_av500_> or dd it to /dev/fb0
Jan 24 22:43:52 <ds2> or cat it to /dev/fb0
Jan 24 22:44:05 <Russ> or cat /dev/dsp > /dev/fb0
Jan 24 22:44:09 <Russ> and make a really strange noise
Jan 24 22:44:45 <_av500_> strange light
Jan 24 22:45:32 <ds2> it worked for my degenerate structured lighting experiments
Jan 24 22:51:28 <ssh_> wouldn't drawing on the screen generate data that is not binary frames?
Jan 24 22:52:51 <ssh_> ds2: u sounds like u have got the external pattern to work with pygtk?
Jan 24 22:53:18 <Russ> ssh_, pixel data is pixel data
Jan 24 22:53:32 <Russ> ssh_, the projector is just reinterpeting rgb888 data
Jan 24 22:53:41 <Russ> its still just receiving rgb888 data
Jan 24 22:54:03 <Russ> oi, to go to elc, to not go to elc
Jan 24 22:54:11 <mru> go to elc!
Jan 24 22:54:38 <ds2> ssh_: didn't bother. I use something simplier
Jan 24 22:54:45 <ds2> pygtk is overkill. plain old C will work
Jan 24 22:54:54 <ssh_> Russ:  I think I see what u r saying now
Jan 24 22:54:59 <ds2> goto ELC!
Jan 24 22:55:12 <Russ> does the airport have an SFO shuttle service or something?
Jan 24 22:55:27 <ds2> ssh_: concentrate on the math. don't worry about resolution as a first pass. those advance modes are for refining things
Jan 24 22:55:39 <ds2> Russ: I think supershutter runs 
Jan 24 22:55:43 <ds2> or taxi
Jan 24 22:55:50 <ds2> and maybe even caltrain 
Jan 24 22:56:37 <mru> the hotel has airport shuttle
Jan 24 22:56:46 <Russ> is there anything going on outside of the 15-17th date range of elc/
Jan 24 22:57:09 <mru> there's some android thing earlier in the week
Jan 24 22:57:09 <ds2> Android Builder thingie
Jan 24 22:57:16 <mru> and another one I forget the name of
Jan 24 22:57:23 <mru> week before is linaro connect
Jan 24 22:58:48 <ds2> and probally a wacking or two given that it si right after 2/14
Jan 24 22:59:02 <Russ> si?
Jan 24 22:59:18 <ds2> s/si/is/
Jan 24 22:59:30 <Russ> hmm...I chose hobbyist registration but it still wants "job title" and "company/organization". Trick question?
Jan 24 22:59:36 <_av500_> nah
Jan 24 22:59:55 <_av500_> put "irc troll"
Jan 24 23:00:11 <ds2> hobbiest can be for if companyu is a cheap skate and wants you to pay out of pocket
Jan 24 23:00:23 <Russ> Hmm..They probably print whatever is there under your name on the badge
Jan 24 23:00:30 <_av500_> yes
Jan 24 23:00:40 <mru> all the more reason to write troll
Jan 24 23:00:54 <mru> actually, they don't write job title on the badge
Jan 24 23:00:58 <mru> only company
Jan 24 23:01:05 <_av500_> TrollCo.
Jan 24 23:01:16 <Russ> "ARM Enthusiast" it is
Jan 24 23:01:24 <ds2> residing at 1 Troll Bridge Way
Jan 24 23:01:36 <_av500_> "LEG Admirer"
Jan 24 23:01:43 <mru> :)
Jan 24 23:01:47 <ds2> or use "Acorn Risk Machines"
Jan 24 23:05:43 <Russ> is the "reception dinner" worth it/
Jan 24 23:06:05 <ds2> isn't it included?
Jan 24 23:06:05 <mru> isn't that included?
Jan 24 23:06:11 <Russ> oh, so it is
Jan 24 23:06:13 <mru> you can pay to take a guest
Jan 24 23:08:32 <Russ> mru, stop fishing for invites
Jan 24 23:09:14 <mru> my friendly employer is paying my ticket
Jan 24 23:14:39 <_av500_> FriendlyARM?
Jan 24 23:17:50 <ds2> heheh
Jan 24 23:28:21 <snowrichard> waited for satellite tech to show till 5 PM, and it starts raining the minute he gets here
Jan 24 23:28:35 <snowrichard> said he can come back friday if weather improves
Jan 24 23:28:38 <djlewis> so work indoors 
Jan 24 23:31:10 <snowrichard> the dish is outside
Jan 24 23:32:55 <Russ> snowrichard: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2035#comic
Jan 24 23:34:20 <snowrichard> lol
Jan 24 23:35:42 <djlewis> bummer :)
Jan 24 23:37:27 <djlewis> snowrichard: so your tv satellite dish is wacked?
Jan 24 23:37:40 <snowrichard> no its my internet dish
Jan 24 23:38:17 <snowrichard> working partially but the tranmit error count goes up steadily, i lose about 20 percent of the packets on ping www.google.com
Jan 24 23:41:52 <djlewis> sounds of alignment
Jan 24 23:42:13 <Russ> have you tried moving the satellite?
Jan 24 23:42:59 <djlewis> yeah, any good hacker should be able to.
Jan 24 23:43:06 <snowrichard> i don't have the equipment to align it. guy said he can come back when its not raining
Jan 24 23:43:18 <snowrichard> he didn't charge me for showing up today
Jan 24 23:46:47 <djlewis> rain sets in for forty days and nights. . .
Jan 24 23:47:25 <snowrichard> i typed MOSES at the IEHGOD prompt and the system went down for forty days and forty nights
Jan 24 23:47:55 <Russ> let me guess, no backup
Jan 24 23:48:00 <snowrichard> old ibm joke
Jan 24 23:53:47 <snowrichard> http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Marshall+TX+75672
Jan 25 00:03:42 <djlewis> later . . .
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Jan 25 04:17:35 <toobluesc> Does anyone know what mcspi dma doesn't work on the beaglebone?
Jan 25 05:06:43 <smp4488> im trying to compile my kernel, wehn i run make i get an error with scripts/mod/sumversion.c  its sayin number of operands mismatch for 'bswap'
Jan 25 05:06:48 <smp4488> anyone have any ideas?
Jan 25 05:14:58 <Russ> first thing that comes to mind is binutils version
Jan 25 05:15:25 <Russ> or gcc
Jan 25 05:17:18 <smp4488> Russ: i have tried two different compilers with the same error
Jan 25 05:18:01 <Russ> are you aware that scripts/mod/sumversion.c compiles with HOSTCC?
Jan 25 05:18:49 <htns> is there anyway i can read the dm3730 cpu temperature on beagle-xm?
Jan 25 05:19:08 <htns> i'm using 2.6.37 from rowboat
Jan 25 05:19:14 <smp4488> Russ: honestly i dont know what that means
Jan 25 05:19:46 <Russ> what target are you compiling for?
Jan 25 05:19:54 <smp4488> x86
Jan 25 05:20:00 <smp4488> no
Jan 25 05:20:01 <smp4488> sry
Jan 25 05:20:05 <smp4488> arm
Jan 25 05:20:14 <smp4488> host is x86
Jan 25 05:21:03 <smp4488> i have all my cross compile env parameters  set correctly
Jan 25 05:21:29 <Russ> hostcc is the non cross compiling version
Jan 25 05:22:15 <Russ> so unless you are using something that is selecting something different, just 'gcc' 
Jan 25 05:22:23 <smp4488> Russ: i think i need a "apt-get install build-essential"
Jan 25 05:22:44 <smp4488> i have my cross tool chain but not my local
Jan 25 05:23:10 <Russ> thats no good
Jan 25 05:23:16 <smp4488> no gcc is installed
Jan 25 05:23:42 <smp4488> could i be a version mismatch between my CC and native compiler?
Jan 25 05:23:45 <smp4488> could it*
Jan 25 05:24:07 <Russ> no
Jan 25 05:25:42 <smp4488> hmm, so you think it might be an env var not set correctly?
Jan 25 05:26:05 <Russ> I thought we determined that you were missing your host gcc
Jan 25 05:26:21 <smp4488> make shows some other HOSTCC scripts before the sumversion.c
Jan 25 05:26:28 <smp4488> no gcc is installed on the host
Jan 25 05:27:10 <Russ> HOSTCC is a var that should point to your host  copy of gcc
Jan 25 05:28:37 <smp4488> looking at env HOSTCC is no where to be found
Jan 25 05:28:44 <smp4488> should i export it?
Jan 25 05:28:57 <Russ> no, its not an environment variable
Jan 25 05:29:02 <Russ> why are you setting environment variables
Jan 25 05:29:35 <smp4488> ahh, i misread
Jan 25 05:29:36 <Russ> and if you don't have a host gcc, what would you set it to anyway
Jan 25 05:30:40 <smp4488> i have my host gcc
Jan 25 05:30:52 <Russ> you said you don't have gcc installed
Jan 25 05:30:58 <smp4488> version 4.6.1
Jan 25 05:31:13 <smp4488> i thought i didn't but i did
Jan 25 05:31:40 <Russ> ok, then forget all the stuff I said
Jan 25 05:31:41 <Russ> what env vars are you setting
Jan 25 05:32:27 <smp4488> Russ: http://pastebin.com/r9Ej93GH thats the error
Jan 25 05:32:45 <Russ> what env vars are you setting
Jan 25 05:33:07 <smp4488> CROSS_COMPILE=/home/smplman/projects/android-ndk-r7/toolchains/arm-linux-androideabi-4.4.3/prebuilt/linux-x86/bin/arm-linux-androideabi-
Jan 25 05:33:16 <smp4488> INSTALL_PATH=/home/smplman/projects/xoom-ubuntu/boot
Jan 25 05:33:26 <smp4488> and INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/home/smplman/projects/xoom-ubuntu
Jan 25 05:33:49 <Russ> what about ARCH?
Jan 25 05:33:56 <Russ> oh, its x86 already
Jan 25 05:34:02 <Russ> er, no, it should be arm
Jan 25 05:34:12 <smp4488> yea, sry thats set also
Jan 25 05:34:31 <Russ> can you add a V=1 to your make line and repost
Jan 25 05:35:18 <smp4488> http://pastebin.com/P9a2uKwM
Jan 25 05:35:46 <Russ> which gcc
Jan 25 05:36:04 <smp4488> for?
Jan 25 05:36:17 <Russ> just type that
Jan 25 05:36:49 <smp4488> "/usr/bin/gcc"
Jan 25 05:37:04 <Russ> where are you getting your kernel source?
Jan 25 05:37:30 <smp4488> git hub
Jan 25 05:37:39 <smp4488> you want the link?
Jan 25 05:37:57 <smp4488> there are two that i am trying to build, but they have the same exact error
Jan 25 05:42:16 <smp4488> hostcc is set to gcc in the make file
Jan 25 05:44:11 <Russ> do a test program on your box that uses ntohl from netint/in.h
Jan 25 05:45:43 <smp4488> i dont know c all that well
Jan 25 05:45:49 <smp4488> i can try though
Jan 25 05:58:14 <smp4488> Russ: wrote the test program and it compiled and ran fine
Jan 25 06:04:18 <sundar> hi guys, i am getting mutex_lock assertion in a multithreaded application
Jan 25 06:05:11 <sundar> it says that a different thread tries to unlock the mutex. i.e. which is not the owner of the mutex 
Jan 25 06:06:23 <sundar> it doesn't seem to be like that for me. 
Jan 25 06:06:45 <sundar> i have properly unlocked the mutex before returning due to errors
Jan 25 06:07:09 <sundar> strange is that the issue happens only in ARM 
Jan 25 06:07:26 <sundar> on my x86 machine the app runs just fine
Jan 25 06:08:01 <sundar> using code sourcery 2009q1-203 arm toolchain 
Jan 25 06:08:21 <aholler_> you think you have unlocked the mutex correctly
Jan 25 06:09:11 <sundar> yes i think because i check the return value of mutex_unlock
Jan 25 06:10:01 <hitlin37> check the thread id where you lock and unlock
Jan 25 06:11:02 <sundar> ok i'll check it. i was wondering why this issue didn't happen on x86 machine.
Jan 25 06:11:08 <hitlin37> You have multiple threads doing lock and unlock?
Jan 25 06:11:15 <aholler> because it't another machine
Jan 25 06:11:16 <hitlin37> x86 is forgiving
Jan 25 06:12:05 <sundar> yes i have 2 threads, one filling incoming rtp packets to buffer, the other retrieving from the buffer
Jan 25 06:12:08 <aholler> even enabling debug can hide such bugs
Jan 25 06:12:33 <sundar> yes i have enabled debugging 
Jan 25 06:12:47 <_av500_> on x86 the timing is different
Jan 25 06:12:55 <sundar> timing?
Jan 25 06:13:03 <_av500_> yes
Jan 25 06:13:09 <hitlin37> you have two threads.look closely in the filling and retrieving part.
Jan 25 06:13:10 <_av500_> thread scheduling
Jan 25 06:14:33 <sundar> hmm, ok i'll look into it with thread id printed before locking/unlocking. 
Jan 25 06:14:53 <sundar> hope it wont choke if i print every 20 milli seconds
Jan 25 06:16:23 <hitlin37> don't hold lock for too long....while filling and retreiving
Jan 25 06:17:24 <sundar> ok but shouldn't the other thread get blocked on mutex_lock if this thread holds mutex, even for long times
Jan 25 06:24:11 <hitlin37> yes.but there can be many different behaviors.in this kind of scenario,i have used pthread cond wait and signal.signal when u have the  data ready in the buffer.
Jan 25 06:31:06 <sundar> ok, cond wait seems to be a good choice. let me try that later
Jan 25 06:44:37 <Russ> smp4488, odd, there is something very strange going on in your environment
Jan 25 07:18:20 <Russ> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2160
Jan 25 07:19:38 <blueintegral> The Beaglebone: does it rock or suck at running openCV?
Jan 25 07:57:09 <tasslehoffwrk> aholler: morning. did you manage to build musb-hdrc as a module eventually?
Jan 25 08:00:08 <tasslehoffwrk> my brave attempts have so far led me to http://pastebin.com/huT1Kj8W
Jan 25 08:04:39 <av500> tasslehoffwrk: is there debug in musb to be enabled?
Jan 25 08:04:55 <av500> otherwise, sprinkle printks and find where it errors out
Jan 25 08:07:53 <tasslehoffwrk> aha. there's debug to be enabled.
Jan 25 08:09:32 <av500> tasslehoffwrk: somebody once wrote that driver :)
Jan 25 08:10:06 <av500> or maybe it was "found" on a usb stick on a church doorstep?
Jan 25 08:12:50 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: I bet someone tried to carry it into the church, but caught fire when they tried to cross the doorstep.
Jan 25 08:13:27 <dm8tbr> doorstep triggered the HCF instruction?
Jan 25 08:20:12 * tasslehoffwrk just learned about the HCF instruction
Jan 25 08:21:04 <Russ> is it closely related to SDR?
Jan 25 08:22:36 <Russ> stop, drop, and roll. I think it halts cpu execution, increments the stack counter, and does a bit shift on acc
Jan 25 08:34:37 <tasslehoffwrk> :)
Jan 25 09:06:34 * av500 looks at a french speaking Handspring Visor
Jan 25 09:09:12 <av500> c'est possible d'installer android dedans?
Jan 25 09:09:36 <ynezz> nein
Jan 25 09:09:48 <av500> domage
Jan 25 09:17:43 <Russ> arigato gozaimasu
Jan 25 09:27:48 <av500> tasslehoffwrk: the thing is, our 3630 based gen8 suspends just fine on musb
Jan 25 09:29:46 <ynezz> but hey, you're running 2.4.31 kernel...
Jan 25 09:30:13 <av500> 2.4? thats too risky
Jan 25 09:30:26 <Russ> 2.4 for life!
Jan 25 09:35:14 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: hm. I'll start by making the smsc95xx a module and never load it. perhaps that's the culprit
Jan 25 09:44:36 <aholler> tasslehoffwrk: I haven't touched that since. in 3.2.1 it's even possible to configure the glur
Jan 25 09:44:57 <aholler> glue as a module but musb linked in ;)
Jan 25 09:45:42 <aholler> someone must have missed to take a logic curse
Jan 25 09:46:08 * av500 curses logic
Jan 25 09:46:53 <aholler> freud was here ;)
Jan 25 09:47:42 <av500> and then timed out?
Jan 25 09:48:24 <aholler> entered a race condition
Jan 25 09:57:20 * aholler wonders if netgears readynas duo v2 has a looked bootloader ;)
Jan 25 09:59:37 <av500> is it any good?
Jan 25 10:00:33 <aholler> don't knowm just read in a review that it has a kirkwood with 1.6 ghz and usb 3.0
Jan 25 10:00:34 * dm8tbr wondered if it runs openwrt
Jan 25 10:00:43 <av500> aholler: well, they all have that
Jan 25 10:00:48 <av500> qnap, synology
Jan 25 10:00:57 * dm8tbr recently bought their 802.11n dualband router. nice piece of kit, runs openwrt
Jan 25 10:01:14 <av500> but usb3.0 is new it seems
Jan 25 11:37:12 <aholler> btw. what I've never understood is why it is so hard to test if something works as module and linked in. the omap-kernel was or is full of such stuff ;)
Jan 25 11:37:51 <entropia_> hi, I am trying to boot an ubuntu 10.10 on my beagleboard-xm. Monitor, keyboard and mouse are connected, also the BB is connected to my pc. When I am using a console on my pc, after inserting the microsd card with U10.10 and turning it on, I see a typical output that stops with line "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." 
Jan 25 11:38:11 <entropia_> And that is all unfortunately, is there anything more I can check to see what I did wrong?
Jan 25 11:39:26 <aholler> I assume nothing, if I remember correct, in ubuntu just the console isn't enabled.
Jan 25 11:39:27 <entropia_> I was trying to find solutions in the internet, but the only thing I found, were some topics, where people asked about the same stuff, but they had a problem with mouse and keyboard detection.
Jan 25 11:39:40 <entropia_> on the internet*
Jan 25 11:40:12 <entropia_> Hm, is there anything I can do to make it work?
Jan 25 11:41:55 <aholler> asking in #ubuntu-arm
Jan 25 11:42:13 <entropia_> Ok, thank you.
Jan 25 11:52:55 <mdp> aholler, maybe it's not difficult but just nobody else cares to test it :)
Jan 25 11:54:01 <aholler> which isn't a good sign for the quality of the arm-kernel when such ends in the stable tree
Jan 25 11:55:34 <aholler> I think at least such compile-time errors should be detected.
Jan 25 11:57:03 <aholler> I thought the devs have magic scripts which are testing such.
Jan 25 11:57:50 <aholler> but I assume not for arm
Jan 25 12:00:07 <aholler> might be to difficult for the arm-maintainers to automate that
Jan 25 12:00:52 <aholler> (for every arm- and soc-variant)
Jan 25 12:02:12 <koen> we have module vs builtin tests at TI
Jan 25 12:02:16 <koen> but not modules are covered
Jan 25 12:02:28 <koen> bug carlosH to get more tests included :)
Jan 25 12:02:56 <aholler> must be something new ;)
Jan 25 12:03:41 <koen> I suspect the PSP team said USB cannot be a module -> no tests run
Jan 25 12:04:04 <aholler> I've struggled with other omap-stuff to (in the past)
Jan 25 12:04:28 <aholler> but once you know it, it's easy to solve. ;)
Jan 25 12:08:20 <tasslehoffwrk> Ok. 1.5 day spent trying to get an overview of suspend issues. Conclusion: I'll avoid it if I can.
Jan 25 12:09:09 <aholler> like emeb? I think he already has a list of 4 or5 things to avoid ;)
Jan 25 12:10:08 <tasslehoffwrk> aholler: I have only one omap-related entry so far :)
Jan 25 12:32:46 <aholler> hmpf, need add bandwidth limiting to my bt-connection. rsync always kills usb :/
Jan 25 12:35:43 <_av500_> tasslehoffwrk: as said, resume on musb is doable
Jan 25 12:46:11 <tasslehoffwrk> _av500_: yeah, but if I could go low enough without suspending I would go for that, since suspend seems so fragile.
Jan 25 12:46:36 <tasslehoffwrk> (and since I have very little time to get something working)
Jan 25 15:56:27 <snowrichard> flood of join messages
Jan 25 15:58:31 <mru> must be netsplit day
Jan 25 16:59:03 * xxiao finally fixed sd issue, turns out our board is violating sd spec, sigh
Jan 25 16:59:23 <xxiao> had to change sd driver clock to cope with that
Jan 25 16:59:33 <Mojito> BeagleBoard violates the SD spec?  O.O
Jan 25 17:00:00 <_av500_> xxiao: sd police has been informed!
Jan 25 17:00:43 <aholler> punishment is 1x speed ;)
Jan 25 17:01:35 <Mojito> xxiao or was this some board of your own?
Jan 25 17:08:11 <xxiao> Mojito: yes
Jan 25 17:08:26 <xxiao> we run 48Mhz instead of 50Mhz for highspeed, and some cards hate it
Jan 25 17:20:37 <emeb> cards fail when run @ 48MHz instead of 50MHz? Bizarre.
Jan 25 17:21:11 <mru> do they contain some kind of tuning circuit or what?
Jan 25 17:21:18 <mru> or how else do they even know the difference?
Jan 25 17:21:40 <emeb> my thoughts as well.
Jan 25 17:22:00 * emeb once designed a speed sense circuit in an ASIC. Not easy to do with any accuracy.
Jan 25 17:22:15 <aholler> physics
Jan 25 17:22:30 <emeb> fsking physics - how does it work?
Jan 25 17:25:15 <aholler> I don't know for what the clock is used for in such cards. maybe they get a refresh-rate from that ;)
Jan 25 17:26:13 <emeb> Maybe. 48 vs 50 = 4% which isn't much margin for safety.
Jan 25 17:26:56 <aholler> or they calculate a programming cycle and already are operating some bad nand at margins
Jan 25 17:27:57 <mru> but usually running a little slower than spec works fine
Jan 25 17:28:05 <mru> this is not dram
Jan 25 17:28:59 <prpplague> anyone using openocd with beagle-xm currently?
Jan 25 17:29:25 <koen> jkridner__: beagle and bone patches sent to meta-ti
Jan 25 17:30:21 <aholler> hmm, something I could look out for at fosdem ti<->arm-jtag-adaptor ;)
Jan 25 17:30:47 <prpplague> aholler: just purchase one from TCT, hehe
Jan 25 17:31:53 <aholler> tct?
Jan 25 17:32:08 <prpplague> tincantools
Jan 25 17:32:14 <prpplague> http://www.tincantools.com
Jan 25 17:32:20 <aholler> do they have stand there?
Jan 25 17:32:45 <prpplague> aholler: no
Jan 25 17:34:29 <aholler> prpplague: maybe watterott is there, don't even know if there are any stands at fosdem which are selling stuff ;)
Jan 25 17:35:23 <prpplague> aholler: watterott is a TCT distributor
Jan 25 17:35:33 <prpplague> aholler: but i don't know if they carry the adapters
Jan 25 17:35:35 <aholler> i know ;)
Jan 25 17:38:09 <prpplague> koen: know anyone that is using openocd with beaglexm? i don't have one to test with and a couple of people are reporting problems with openocd 0.5.0 with the latest beagle-xm's that have been shipping
Jan 25 17:39:46 <koen> prpplague: crazies like mdp might
Jan 25 17:39:55 <prpplague> koen: ahh
Jan 25 17:40:10 <xxiao> mru: when you look at the sd/mmc driver, they somehow hard-coded 50Mhz when it's in highspeed mode
Jan 25 17:40:40 <xxiao> and that somehow impacts the paramters to work with the card, e.g. dto value etc
Jan 25 17:40:44 <xxiao> and that could cause issues
Jan 25 17:43:49 <emeb> stupid driver
Jan 25 18:11:37 <mdp> koen, mmhmm..crazy…haven't touched my xMs in a long while :-/
Jan 25 18:20:39 <emeb> they're feeling neglected.
Jan 25 18:21:23 <mdp> I closed the cabinet doors to shut them up
Jan 25 19:25:35 <_av500_> xxiao: and why not ue 50? where is that clock sourced from?
Jan 25 19:25:38 <_av500_> use
Jan 25 19:49:06 <_av500_> koen: I have an idea, I will start a blog with an entry each time we change a pinmux
Jan 25 19:50:53 <mdp> that would be especially cool with some runtime pinmuxing action..active blog
Jan 25 19:56:54 <ynezz> indeed, another handy rss feed!
Jan 25 20:02:32 <xxiao> _av500_: i don't know why our hw designer did that, guess he got too many stuff in his head
Jan 25 20:13:53 <snowrichard> got my bb set up with its own dvi monitor now -- the little hdmi - dvi adapter came this morning
Jan 25 20:35:32 <djlewis> gm :)
Jan 25 20:35:54 <aholler> audi
Jan 25 20:39:59 <mouser> I've been trying to get Angstrom running on my Beagleboard xM for over 24 hours now with now luck. Can anyone help me out?
Jan 25 20:44:00 <jay6981> be specific; don't ask to ask
Jan 25 20:45:16 <mouser> Well, 1st, I don't have a serial cable, so I'm just trying to boot the first time and see an output via HDMI. Is that okay?
Jan 25 20:45:34 <mru> if nothing goes wrong, sure
Jan 25 20:45:36 <jay6981> not really… you need the serial console to diagnose problems
Jan 25 20:46:15 <mouser> If I follow the instructions off of the angstrom-distribution site, I just get a black screen and one LED on.
Jan 25 20:46:22 <djlewis> your monitor and beagle might not be matched up
Jan 25 20:46:45 <mru> there was a time when even a single LED was considered a luxury
Jan 25 20:46:50 <mouser> If I follow Trey Weaver's blog instructions I get a beagleboard logo that disappears after about 5 minutes. But a lot of LEDs on and one flashing.
Jan 25 20:46:50 <mru> be thankful for what you get
Jan 25 20:47:09 <jay6981> flashing is probably a good sign
Jan 25 20:47:21 <djlewis> and dometimes be thankful for things you dont have.
Jan 25 20:47:30 <djlewis> s/dometomes/sometimes
Jan 25 20:48:21 <mouser> Ok, I blatantly lied
Jan 25 20:48:25 <mouser> I found a serial cable
Jan 25 20:48:28 <mouser> let me test it out
Jan 25 20:48:47 <jay6981> lying implies intent to decieve
Jan 25 20:48:53 <jay6981> are you trying to deceive us?
Jan 25 20:48:56 <jay6981> :)
Jan 25 20:49:10 <mouser> quick question, does the Angstrom image from the beagleboard demo's include the GUI
Jan 25 20:49:32 <jay6981> yeah, but it may not start automatically
Jan 25 20:49:48 <jay6981> iirc you need to login and run startx
Jan 25 20:50:01 <aholler> someone should invite a bot which triggers a kick on 'quick' ;)
Jan 25 20:59:44 <djlewis> or force all replies to be slow
Jan 25 21:18:00 <beagle> Hi.  Does anyone know what the data bandwidth is on the camera interface on the beagleboard-xm is?
Jan 25 21:19:50 <mouser> So as of right now, I am getting nothing on the serail port. If I mash the two buttons I get "60" every once in a while.
Jan 25 21:22:57 <mouser> according to a post "That happens when the bootrom can't find the mlo/u-boot on your boot fat file system"
Jan 25 21:23:44 <mru> yep
Jan 25 21:24:41 <mouser> is u-boot supposed to be .img or .bin?
Jan 25 21:25:02 <mru> whatever mlo looks for
Jan 25 21:25:20 <mru> if in doubt, you can always put two copies of it there
Jan 25 21:25:20 <jay6981> thought you said you got a penguin image on hdmi during boot
Jan 25 21:26:08 <mouser> that was with the narcissus image, right now I'm just using the angstrom demo
Jan 25 21:26:25 <mouser> and it was a beagleboard logo, not a penguin :P
Jan 25 22:05:21 <mouser> I'm geting serial output!
Jan 25 22:05:27 * mouser highfive
Jan 25 22:06:13 <mouser> I got a "***Warning - readenv() failed, using default environment" but it seems to be continuing okay
Jan 25 22:07:21 <aholler> no nand, no env
Jan 25 22:07:59 <mouser> what exactly does that mean? I got logged in and am in a terminal now
Jan 25 22:08:28 <aholler> that means you can ignore that message
Jan 25 22:08:55 <mouser> excellent
Jan 25 22:09:28 <mouser> well time to give hdmi a test
Jan 25 22:16:39 <mouser> well I got the video, just no usb mouse/keyboard, or ethernet.
Jan 25 22:19:25 <djlewis> baby steps ;)
Jan 25 22:20:52 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 25 22:21:02 <mouser> Is that intentional, and now I need to set it up, or did I do something wrong to cause that?
Jan 25 22:21:29 <aholler> dmesg
Jan 25 22:21:32 <djlewis> mouser: i have heard others having initial usb issues
Jan 25 22:26:42 <felipealmeida> Hello,
Jan 25 22:27:01 <felipealmeida> I'm running a recently built image of angstrom
Jan 25 22:27:11 <felipealmeida> and I noticed it uses systemd now. Which is great news
Jan 25 22:27:29 <felipealmeida> But it doesn't seem to run rcS scripts. For example init.d/networking
Jan 25 22:27:46 <felipealmeida> and doesn't seem to exist any configuration in systemd to do so too. So, how should I do it?
Jan 25 22:37:24 <felipealmeida> well, it seems connman might do the trick
Jan 25 22:37:32 <felipealmeida> systemctl enable connman.service
Jan 25 22:56:44 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 25 22:57:56 <djlewis> howdy
Jan 25 22:58:00 * mouser rages
Jan 25 23:13:56 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 25 23:14:19 <snowrichard> i'm on the beagleboard in firefox webchat.freenode.net 
Jan 25 23:17:32 <Russ> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20120109 Firefox/3.6.8
Jan 25 23:17:33 <Russ> :)
Jan 25 23:18:39 <snowrichard> hmm it tells you what browser i'm using
Jan 25 23:23:34 <Russ> and what timezone you are in 'Wed Jan 25 17:19:45 2012'
Jan 25 23:23:34 <Russ> that'd be central
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Jan 26 02:33:02 <rlrosa>  hi
Jan 26 02:33:02 <rlrosa>  i'm working with a beagleboard. the default SD card comes with i2c-2 enabled. i've managed to bitbake console-image, and get another functional SD card, but it doesn't have i2c-2 in /dev
Jan 26 02:33:02 <rlrosa>  it *does* have /dev/i2c-1 and 3, but 2 is missing (it's the one i need, since it's the one accessible on the expansion header
Jan 26 02:33:02 <rlrosa>  how/what do i configure stuff to get i2c-2?
Jan 26 02:44:51 <rlrosa> anybody around?
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Jan 26 03:11:11 <Russ> odd
Jan 26 03:11:22 <mru> even
Jan 26 03:11:51 <Russ> I just got an email for "Embedded Linux Conference 2012 Schedule Now Available; Register Now to Attend" "Space is running out. Register today to secure your spot"
Jan 26 03:12:47 <Russ> maybe I registered for some different embedded linux conference...
Jan 26 03:13:51 <mru> was this sent to the same email address as your elc registration?
Jan 26 03:14:22 <Russ> yu
Jan 26 03:14:24 <Russ> er, yup
Jan 26 03:14:37 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 26 03:19:05 <snowrichard> got the dvi monitor up
Jan 26 03:19:47 <snowrichard> i'm on the beagleboard now
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Jan 26 04:04:21 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 26 04:04:28 <snowrichard> on the beagle board in pidgin
Jan 26 04:09:11 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 26 04:09:46 <snowrichard> now i'm not root
Jan 26 04:12:59 <aholler> already infected, too late ;)
Jan 26 04:16:38 <snowrichard> got pidgin client installed
Jan 26 04:35:27 <snowrichard> apparently lost my connection
Jan 26 04:51:32 <ds2> Hmmm
Jan 26 05:01:01 <Russ> ds2, finish your slides yet?
Jan 26 05:02:51 <prpplague> because they have to be pre-approved!
Jan 26 05:03:06 <prpplague> no slides with pictures of steve ballmer
Jan 26 05:03:33 <Russ> prpplague, is that seriously a rule?
Jan 26 05:03:43 <aholler_> no chairs?
Jan 26 05:03:55 <Russ> is that why at scale10x, he was only referenced instead of just named?
Jan 26 05:04:32 <prpplague> Russ: the pre-approved part yes, apparently someone did something naughty at linuxcon-eu, not sure who or what
Jan 26 05:14:00 <ds2> Russ: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
Jan 26 05:14:30 <Russ> I think that's a 'no'
Jan 26 05:14:49 <ds2> :)
Jan 26 05:15:02 <ds2> Russ: booked your room yet?
Jan 26 05:15:14 <Russ> its not till the last day of elc, you can always work on them while sitting in other sessions
Jan 26 05:15:18 <Russ> ya, I booked it
Jan 26 05:15:41 <ds2> staying at the officially recommended place?
Jan 26 05:15:46 <ds2> or did you find a cheaper place?
Jan 26 05:16:15 <Russ> I'm staying and the sofitel or whatever
Jan 26 05:16:45 <Russ> I think the only cheaper place is a motel 8 with some very choice reviews on tripadvisor
Jan 26 05:16:50 <ds2> when you leaving?
Jan 26 05:17:00 <Russ> 15th, 7am
Jan 26 05:17:04 <ds2> if you drove, there are places further away
Jan 26 05:17:14 <Russ> flying
Jan 26 05:17:20 <ds2> leaving the bay area
Jan 26 05:17:32 <ds2> not leaving AZ
Jan 26 05:17:50 <Russ> ah, around 11pm, 17th
Jan 26 05:18:16 <ds2> not staying around to tour the bay area? :D
Jan 26 05:18:25 <Russ> I was there last week
Jan 26 05:18:43 <ds2> oh 
Jan 26 05:21:01 <Russ> http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g32060-d75998-Reviews-Motel_6_San_Francisco_Belmont-Belmont_California.html
Jan 26 05:21:52 <Russ> 'One of them had a huge, what looked like, blood-stain on the rug plus stains on the sheets. The other one had rips in the sheets.'
Jan 26 05:22:04 <Russ> so stick with the hotel they recommend
Jan 26 05:23:43 <Russ> 'Vergleiche lohnen sich zu Filmen, in denen billige Motels auch für außereheliche Treffen genutzt werden.'
Jan 26 05:57:02 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 26 07:18:46 <Russ> so is there an expo at elc?
Jan 26 07:33:34 <koen> Russ: it's likely
Jan 26 07:37:23 <Russ> maybe its just the tech showcase
Jan 26 09:14:53 <Amin> Hellow. I have a BeagleBoard-xM which worked fine for over two months. And suddenly after that it stopped working. The support says it could be because of ESD which damaged the boot. They say it is possible to connect a J-TAG and download a loader again, or run software. Anyone familiar with this issue? Thanks
Jan 26 09:23:49 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: on the systems where you suspend musb, is it a module or compiled in?
Jan 26 09:59:18 <_av500_> tasslehoffwrk: a module
Jan 26 09:59:45 <nerxgas> how do i access i/o pins on the beagleboard?
Jan 26 09:59:47 <_av500_> mmm
Jan 26 09:59:49 <_av500_> oops
Jan 26 10:05:14 <koen> C and me will never be friends
Jan 26 10:05:48 <koen> my latest failure in attempting to write C:
Jan 26 10:05:48 <koen> -	if (!strncmp("BB-BONE-DVID-01", cape_config.partnumber, 5)) {
Jan 26 10:05:49 <koen> +	if (!strncmp("BB-BONE-DVID-01", cape_config.partnumber, 15)) {
Jan 26 10:06:07 * _av500_ tells koen about strlen
Jan 26 10:06:28 <_av500_> and/or sizeof
Jan 26 10:07:00 <koen> which one gets eaten by the wolf again?
Jan 26 10:07:59 <parana> i have installed 01.2012 angstrom image and i have 3.0.14+ kernel now, my old kernel was 2.6.32. And one of my old module ov511.ko, cant be installed. Where to find that module?
Jan 26 10:08:16 <ant_work> koen: generally people say "Always use strncmp instead of strcmp"
Jan 26 10:08:56 <parana> http://pastebin.com/NFSdYvx9
Jan 26 10:09:31 <koen> parana: stop using insmod and use modprobe
Jan 26 10:09:41 <koen> parana: and also use the module angstrom provides
Jan 26 10:11:02 <parana> which module, angstrom provides for webcam
Jan 26 10:11:26 <_av500_> tasslehoffwrk: the last kernel where we use it as a module is the ti android .35
Jan 26 10:11:35 <_av500_> i dont think we unload it there though
Jan 26 10:11:50 <_av500_> since musb support improved a bit so suspend seems to work now
Jan 26 10:14:15 <koen> parana: in recent kernels ov511 support is in gspca-ov519
Jan 26 10:15:04 <parana> koen: ok thx..
Jan 26 10:22:13 <tasslehoffwrk> _av500_: have the changes in that tree made it to any non-android-kernels?
Jan 26 10:23:23 <_av500_> tasslehoffwrk: i haz no idea
Jan 26 11:13:37 <aholler> koen: stop using C and use C++ ;)
Jan 26 11:15:11 <parana> koen: how can i install gcc without having gcc for compiling gcc ?
Jan 26 11:36:18 <koen> aholler: in the kernel?
Jan 26 11:36:26 <koen> parana: opkg
Jan 26 11:37:06 <parana> i dont have internet connection, if i want to have connection i need to first install usbmodswitch first
Jan 26 11:37:20 <parana> for installing usbmodswitch i also need gcc :)
Jan 26 11:45:14 <aholler> koen: that wasn't written above, but there are attempts to make this possible ;)
Jan 26 11:45:25 <parana> koen: there is release option in narcissus : what is core-eglibc for ? is it also have the latest kernel?
Jan 26 11:49:58 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: with felipebalbi's patch I can make musb a module, but on 3.0 ehci does not suspend :)
Jan 26 11:53:47 <mdp> koen, is this the usb hoky poky thing?
Jan 26 11:56:03 <parana> Noone knows how to install gcc, without internet connection?
Jan 26 11:57:32 <aholler> get an image which already contains it
Jan 26 11:58:15 <parana> aholler : i cant find!
Jan 26 11:58:59 <parana> i need gstreamer 0.10.35 in kernel, but in old images there is 0.10.32
Jan 26 11:59:31 <parana> new kernel which is 01.2012 has 0.10.35 but it has no internet connection
Jan 26 12:00:03 <aholler> you are speaking in questions ;)
Jan 26 12:00:36 <parana> ups sorry it has no gcc 
Jan 26 12:01:01 <parana> i have to install usbmodswtich for internetconnection
Jan 26 12:01:22 <parana> and since i dont have gcc i cant compile usbmodswitch
Jan 26 12:01:58 <parana> no i cant have internet, and cant have gcc with "opkg install gcc"
Jan 26 12:02:02 <parana> dead lock..
Jan 26 12:02:05 <aholler> you know about that: http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/
Jan 26 12:02:18 <parana> yes there is 03.2011 version
Jan 26 12:02:24 <parana> generated..
Jan 26 12:02:38 <parana> with old packages
Jan 26 12:02:47 <aholler> and gcc
Jan 26 12:02:56 <parana> yes with gcc
Jan 26 12:04:01 <parana> i had a kernel which generated by narcissus and so i had internet connection, everything was working except gstreamer version..
Jan 26 12:04:49 <aholler> usbmodeswitch is just one binary
Jan 26 12:04:58 <parana> when i searched opkg in that kernel, it says gstremer 0.10.32 is the newest version.
Jan 26 12:05:14 <parana> http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/#download
Jan 26 12:05:42 <aholler> do you've tried to use usbmodeswitch from the working image in the one without?
Jan 26 12:06:10 <parana> in my old version of angstrom i used..
Jan 26 12:06:27 <parana> and i compiled usbmodswitch with make..
Jan 26 12:07:13 <aholler> and the result was a binary which should work on the new image too
Jan 26 12:07:24 <parana> it was not binary..
Jan 26 12:07:55 <aholler> than for what is gcc used? ;)
Jan 26 12:08:27 <parana> i mean when i downloaded it was src files
Jan 26 12:08:39 <parana> than i made "make " and "make install"
Jan 26 12:08:47 <aholler> and I've talked about the result
Jan 26 12:09:06 <parana> i still dont understand..
Jan 26 12:09:28 <parana> after installation i had internet connection in old system
Jan 26 12:09:47 <parana> now i cant type "make" "gcc" for installation
Jan 26 12:10:06 <koen> mdp: no just cape detection
Jan 26 12:10:35 <aholler> parana: make builds a binary (called usb*) and make install copies that to /usr/bin along with a config in /etc
Jan 26 12:11:23 <parana> so ?
Jan 26 12:11:59 <aholler> sorry, I don't want to talk in circles
Jan 26 12:13:05 <parana> so i have sources, and i dont have a system which can build binaries..
Jan 26 12:21:37 <parana> ok, i gave up.. I will install my old system again. new system = new troubles..
Jan 26 13:13:48 <bonebone> hi
Jan 26 13:13:56 <tasslehoffwrk> sakoman_: are you using suspend on you omap-3.0-pm kernel? ehci suspend is broken for me. fyi.
Jan 26 13:23:15 <bonebone> i have my second lcd working for the beaglebone, this was harder with all the bizarre bias tensions
Jan 26 13:23:57 <bonebone> which is the player that had the sgx scaling support for the bone?
Jan 26 13:24:31 <bonebone> and yuv-rgb iirc
Jan 26 13:25:10 <_av500_> tasslehoffwrk: welcome to the future
Jan 26 13:25:31 <_av500_> bonebone: the one you write?
Jan 26 13:26:44 <bonebone> av500: two days before someone posted a video of xbmc video player for the bone with sgx support, but i don't know if it's public
Jan 26 13:27:09 <_av500_> bonebone: that was koen
Jan 26 13:27:19 <bonebone> yes, it was koen
Jan 26 13:32:41 <bonebone> av500: and if i build android for the bone the 3d support is already there?
Jan 26 13:33:23 <_av500_> i dont know
Jan 26 13:33:31 <_av500_> is there an android build for the bone?
Jan 26 13:33:59 <bonebone> i think so, http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/BeagleBone-Android-DevKit_Guide
Jan 26 13:34:09 <parana> Now i use kernel 2.6.32 on b7, i set bootargs with: "setenv bootargs g_ether.host_addr=16:0F:15:5A:E1:21" and "setenv bootargs g_ether.dev_addr=16:0F:15:5A:E1:20"; but enev though i start g_ether module, when i write lsusb i couldnt see usb devices that connected to beagle. Is there a solution for this problem, or i have to reinstall another image for this again..
Jan 26 13:35:44 <aholler> try modprobe g_zero
Jan 26 13:36:19 <parana> FATAL: Error inserting g_zero (/lib/modules/2.6.32/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_zero.ko): Device or resource busy
Jan 26 13:37:09 <aholler> where are the devices connected? ehci or musb?
Jan 26 13:37:21 <parana> usb otg
Jan 26 13:37:34 <tasslehoffwrk> _av500_: thanks. I don't like it here.
Jan 26 13:37:56 <aholler> parana: dmesg and check if the musb driver is loaded
Jan 26 13:38:42 <aholler> that msg doesn't look so
Jan 26 13:39:02 <aholler> or unload g_ether
Jan 26 13:39:11 <aholler> and than use g_zero
Jan 26 13:39:44 <aholler> (instead of g_ether)
Jan 26 13:39:51 <parana> ok trying
Jan 26 13:41:12 <parana> aholler: installed but still cant see 
Jan 26 14:09:48 <tasslehoffwrk> av500: downloaded the 2.6.37 android kernel for TI, and it seems to have some "fix suspend for musb" commits that's not in my current kernel.
Jan 26 14:09:58 <tasslehoffwrk> _av500_: ^
Jan 26 14:11:38 <_av500_> tasslehoffwrk: nice
Jan 26 14:11:41 <parana> Now i use kernel 2.6.32 on b7, i set bootargs with: "setenv bootargs g_ether.host_addr=16:0F:15:5A:E1:21" and "setenv bootargs g_ether.dev_addr=16:0F:15:5A:E1:20"; but enev though i start g_ether module, when i write lsusb i couldnt see usb devices that connected to beagle. Is there a solution for this problem, or i have to reinstall another image for this again..
Jan 26 14:12:55 <aholler> parana: repeating your questions doesn't help
Jan 26 14:13:09 <aholler> pastebin dmesg somewhere
Jan 26 14:13:14 <parana> but there is no reply..
Jan 26 14:13:34 <aholler> maybe it's because of your questions
Jan 26 14:13:45 <parana> http://pastebin.com/SkEbXdgG
Jan 26 14:14:04 <_av500_> nice: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4858236/beaglecase.jpg
Jan 26 14:14:55 <parana> what my questions' problem? 
Jan 26 14:16:26 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 26 14:20:40 <aholler> parana: what does /sys/devices/platform/omap/musb-omap2430/musb-hdrc/mode says? (the path after omap is different on your .32 kernel, search the correct one through tab)
Jan 26 14:27:38 <parana> aholler : it says b_idle
Jan 26 14:29:01 <aholler> try echo b_host to it (or a_host, have forgotten it)
Jan 26 14:29:01 <parana> but the musb-hdrc file was at /sys/devices/platform/
Jan 26 14:29:37 <parana> aholler : i didnt understand that
Jan 26 14:30:00 <aholler> echo b_host >foo/mode
Jan 26 14:30:20 <parana> should i delete inside mode and write "echo b_host" in mode file?
Jan 26 14:31:14 <aholler> no, "echo b_host >mode_file"
Jan 26 14:31:34 <parana> ok. I wrote "# echo b_host > mode" this
Jan 26 14:31:40 <parana> but nothing changed
Jan 26 14:31:51 <parana> # cat /sys/devices/platform/musb
Jan 26 14:31:51 <parana> _hdrc/mode                                                                      
Jan 26 14:31:51 <parana> b_idle 
Jan 26 14:32:27 <aholler> echo a_host >/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode
Jan 26 14:33:03 <parana> still b_idle ..
Jan 26 14:33:48 <aholler> and with b_host too?
Jan 26 14:33:54 <parana> yes
Jan 26 14:34:03 <parana> should it change?
Jan 26 14:34:31 <aholler> if something is connected with the correct cable it should be host
Jan 26 14:34:38 <Jack5_> I am having difficulty in cross compile some libraries e.g. libgpg-error etc using arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi toolchain. I configured it using --prefix=<arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi toolchain directory>, assuming that when I run make install all binaries will be copied there and all will be good. But when I try to use this library while compiling libgcrypt, the libgcrypt's make complains it cant find the library libgpg-error.so. 
Jan 26 14:34:46 <Jack5_> Further investigation reveals that its looking for it at /usr/local/lib/ instead of <arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi toolchain directory> which is in the PATH. Am I doign something wrong?
Jan 26 14:35:03 <parana> aholler when i plug out and plug in usb otg cable it is connecting
Jan 26 14:35:49 <parana> so before last shutdown it was working, it means cables are connected well..
Jan 26 14:36:34 <aholler> parana: you've done that echo as root, did you?
Jan 26 14:36:42 <parana> yes
Jan 26 14:37:28 <parana> aholler: there is another musb file at: /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/driver/musb_hdrc
Jan 26 14:38:23 <parana> it also not works..
Jan 26 14:39:07 <aholler> parana: you just said it is connecting
Jan 26 14:39:40 <parana> yes when i plug out and then plug in, it is
Jan 26 14:42:29 <parana> aholler : but i need it to be connected at startup, it will be a autonomius system..
Jan 26 14:46:56 <aholler> sorry, can't help more, besides wondering why you now are using .32 kernel.
Jan 26 14:47:59 <aholler> you might now build usbmodeswitch and copy the binary to somewhere for usage with whatever image you need it
Jan 26 14:49:00 <aholler> and try to use g_zero instead of g_ether, I already said that ;)
Jan 26 14:49:19 <parana> aholler : ok i will.
Jan 26 14:49:56 <parana> i actually use .32 kernel because my system works fine here..
Jan 26 15:08:42 <Dracos-Carazza> hey does someone know, if there is a beagleboard board support package for the L4 fiasco kernel? the only thing I could find are the drivers for the l4linux implementation
Jan 26 15:27:16 <_av500_> google might know as much as we do
Jan 26 16:07:47 <jsabeaudry> Anyone knows if this is outdated: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Getting_started (It does not seem to mention layers)
Jan 26 16:08:18 <_av500_> and lawyers?
Jan 26 16:15:30 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 26 16:15:51 <aholler> adding layers always helps ;)
Jan 26 16:16:13 <aholler> in contrast to adding lawyers
Jan 26 16:17:14 <_av500_> adding lawyers to the foundation of a big building always helps
Jan 26 16:17:36 <aholler> called italian building ;)
Jan 26 16:20:43 <aholler> I wonder how many pf them are resting in peace under las vegas ;)
Jan 26 16:21:47 <aholler> maybe 0 they rest in war ;)
Jan 26 16:41:06 <hieuletrung> Jack5_, --prefix is location to install your library, you should use PKG_CONFIG_PATH parameter
Jan 26 16:46:08 <aholler> parana: just seen it here on an old image, try echo host >foo instead of b_host or a_host with that old kernel
Jan 26 17:16:03 <Jack5_> hieuletrung, tried pointing PKG_CONFIG_PATH  to a staging directory where my library was installed but still get error from libgcrypt 's make is still looking for it at /usr/local/lib/ adn complaining...
Jan 26 17:23:37 <aholler> the beauties of cross-compiling ;)
Jan 26 17:33:08 <koen> Crofton|work: I think I just fixed an RMA with the dto = 14 patch :)
Jan 26 17:33:17 <Crofton|work> rofl
Jan 26 17:33:28 <Crofton|work> beaglebone?
Jan 26 17:33:32 <koen> yes
Jan 26 17:33:46 <Crofton|work> excellent
Jan 26 17:33:59 <Crofton|work> Can you report this to your bosses
Jan 26 17:34:19 <Crofton|work> and what kind of card?
Jan 26 17:39:54 <koen> Crofton|work: the bossed know already
Jan 26 17:40:02 <koen> Crofton|work: stock kingston card
Jan 26 17:42:37 <Crofton|work> good
Jan 26 17:43:21 <Crofton|work> Steve and I have been chasing things around
Jan 26 17:43:34 <Crofton|work> I got fed up and gave the Ettus guys a dto=14 kernel :)
Jan 26 17:43:35 <koen> Crofton|work: see the patch I just sent to meta-ti :)
Jan 26 17:43:48 <Crofton|work> They would be happy if we turned off the time out :)
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Jan 26 18:44:49 <Needhelp_urgent> Hello
Jan 26 18:45:22 <Needhelp_urgent> I recently bough a beagle board xm, what r the essentiel accessories i need to but ?
Jan 26 18:45:30 <Needhelp_urgent> buy
Jan 26 18:45:39 <jay6981> buy all the things!!
Jan 26 18:45:48 <Needhelp_urgent> can u please be specifique
Jan 26 18:45:57 <Needhelp_urgent> 5V adapteur
Jan 26 18:45:57 <aholler> a book about linux
Jan 26 18:46:03 <Needhelp_urgent> what eles
Jan 26 18:46:04 <jay6981> not really… sorry
Jan 26 18:46:04 <Needhelp_urgent> ?
Jan 26 18:46:49 <Needhelp_urgent> when using SSH will any RJ45 work?
Jan 26 18:47:06 <Needhelp_urgent> or do i need a special null modem RJ45?
Jan 26 18:48:28 <mouser> Has anyone successfully gotten a USB Webcam to work in Angstrom? And if so, how did you install the drivers
Jan 26 18:49:41 <aholler> usually the kernel provides them
Jan 26 18:53:36 <thurbad> if you have the modules installed
Jan 26 18:53:40 <mouser> I'm using openCV and it runs as if there is a camera, but it does not dsplay correctly
Jan 26 18:54:58 <Needhelp_urgent> what accessories do i need ????????
Jan 26 18:55:23 <thurbad> there's probably an all modules package on the demo site if that's where you got the kernel
Jan 26 18:55:51 <mouser> I used the narcissus site to create an image.
Jan 26 18:57:39 <mouser> nvm
Jan 26 18:57:52 <mouser> I changed a parameter in the call and it just started showing up :D
Jan 26 18:57:58 <thurbad> cool
Jan 26 18:59:55 <lukike> While booting my beagleboard I get this in the log:
Jan 26 19:00:08 <lukike> No SGX hardware, not starting PVR
Jan 26 19:00:31 <mouser> I guess it's just running very slowly, about 0.1 fps or less 
Jan 26 19:00:33 <lukike> In other beagleboards this is not the case.
Jan 26 19:01:15 <lukike> Is this a know issue?
Jan 26 19:23:16 <ds2> morning
Jan 26 19:56:02 <alper_> hi are there anyone to help me ?
Jan 26 19:56:17 <_av500_> depends
Jan 26 19:56:31 <alper_> i just wonder how can i set my beagleboard to factory settings
Jan 26 19:57:15 <djlewis> there are no settings on beagleboard
Jan 26 19:57:21 <alper_> 5 min ago i could connect it via terminal (rs 232 ) but now i can not connect 
Jan 26 19:57:27 <djlewis> Only with the software
Jan 26 19:57:30 <_av500_> which version?
Jan 26 19:57:33 <alper_> cv4
Jan 26 19:58:17 <alper_> 5 min ago there are three leds are flashing but now only power led is on and i can not connect to my board 
Jan 26 19:59:18 <alper_> what can i do ?
Jan 26 20:10:53 <badZeppelin> alper_: did you try these? http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery
Jan 26 20:11:11 <badZeppelin> and did you try reflashing nand?
Jan 26 20:11:16 <badZeppelin> whois alper_ 
Jan 26 20:11:32 <_av500_> not you
Jan 26 20:11:55 <badZeppelin> ups
Jan 26 20:12:09 <etheretic1> oi - populous. 
Jan 26 20:12:57 <etheretic1> the factory which manufactures beagletech - what else do they make?
Jan 26 20:22:03 <etheretic1> badZeppelin: more populous, but not much different activity level.
Jan 26 20:24:14 <georg> hey there, does anybody of you have a beaglebone revA4 successfully using its eth0?
Jan 26 20:25:01 <georg> I'm asking because of this thread on the group: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/9f45d774cf2321dd#
Jan 26 20:25:11 <georg> since I'm seeing exactly the same issue on my revA4...
Jan 26 20:27:40 <aholler> tcpdump on the same segment?
Jan 26 20:28:12 <aholler> ah, ok, the broadcast should be seen
Jan 26 20:28:39 <georg> yep, tried it, but doesn't see anything at all.
Jan 26 20:30:40 <aholler> do you have tried to switch to 10mb or halfduplex? had such problemes about 10a ago ;)
Jan 26 20:31:11 <Jack5_> I am having difficulty in cross compile some libraries e.g. libgpg-error etc using arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi toolchain. I configured it using --prefix=<arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi toolchain directory>, assuming that when I run make install all binaries will be copied there and all will be good. But when I try to use this library while compiling libgcrypt, the libgcrypt's make complains it cant find the library libgpg-error.so.
Jan 26 20:31:12 <Jack5_> Further investigation reveals that its looking for it at /usr/local/lib/ instead of <arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi toolchain directory> which is in the PATH. Am I doign something wrong?
Jan 26 20:31:39 <georg> yeah, I tried 10mb, no difference...
Jan 26 20:34:37 <georg> I've tried a crossover cable now, but same result – link status recognized correctly, but no data on the wire...
Jan 26 20:35:08 <georg> does anybody have a revA4 bone? I wonder if it has something to do with this revision, or if it's a "known problem" of sorts...
Jan 26 20:36:20 <aholler> I would think too that it is a sw problem if the link-status is on
Jan 26 20:36:44 <jay6981> georg: others have reported bad ethernet ports here
Jan 26 20:37:07 <georg> bad ethernet ports?
Jan 26 20:37:40 <georg> link status detection works, so I don't think that the port could be physically defective...
Jan 26 20:38:08 <georg> I can't seem to find a changelog between revA3 and revA4... This might help figuring this out...
Jan 26 20:38:22 <georg> aholler: yeah, it doesn't feel like a HW issue to me either...
Jan 26 20:38:55 <georg> btw, link status led also blinks correctly when the board claims to send packets. they just don't appear on the wire.
Jan 26 20:39:14 <georg> and the 10/100mb led is correctly enabled, too.
Jan 26 20:39:58 <aholler> is that a hw-toggled led?
Jan 26 20:41:04 <georg> I do not know. I mean the one built into the ethernet jack, so I pretty much think it must be hw-enabled.
Jan 26 21:08:13 <djlewis> the reported beaglebone ethernet probs are starts to work and quits after time for the most part
Jan 26 21:08:41 <djlewis> some say ethernet worked fine until they got away from the supplied fs
Jan 26 21:12:47 <aholler> maybe they played with iptables ;)
Jan 26 21:15:10 <smplman> i played beer pong on an iptable once upon a time
Jan 26 21:15:11 <etheretic1> add an eprom chip to the bb? 
Jan 26 21:15:33 <etheretic1> or are those out of fashion?
Jan 26 21:16:13 <smplman> the bb has it i think, you talkin about the xm?
Jan 26 21:16:22 <aholler> eprom?
Jan 26 21:16:32 <etheretic1> Acorn's "risc os" came on ROMs. Uncorruptible.
Jan 26 21:16:49 <jay6981> haha
Jan 26 21:16:49 <etheretic1> aholler: erasable/programmable.
Jan 26 21:16:57 <aholler> eproms got destroyed two days before through the sun storm
Jan 26 21:17:15 <etheretic1> jay6981: u beg to differ? 8)
Jan 26 21:17:33 <jay6981> a lot of these boards have nand, which is kinda like your old roms but better :)
Jan 26 21:17:45 <etheretic1> oh.
Jan 26 21:18:25 * etheretic1 mumbles some thing about being considered a time traveller from the 80's 8)
Jan 26 21:18:48 <jay6981> could you upgrade the OS without removing the ROMs?
Jan 26 21:18:55 <etheretic1> no.
Jan 26 21:19:16 <jay6981> and then you bend the pins when you're trying to put them in because they're nof ZIF sockets
Jan 26 21:19:18 <etheretic1> they weren't eproms - standard roms
Jan 26 21:19:28 <aholler> and erasing needed time. so you've handled them in dozens ;)
Jan 26 21:19:39 <etheretic1> or insert them the wrong way.
Jan 26 21:20:47 <jay6981> or zap them with static electricity … or could the real ROMs survive it? 
Jan 26 21:21:20 <etheretic1> they were vulnerable to s.e, afaicr.
Jan 26 21:22:07 <jay6981> amiga put the kernel in rom, but all the user programs were still on a normal disk, iirc
Jan 26 21:22:40 <etheretic1> would it be hard to add nmea ports to the bb? without sacrificing usb.
Jan 26 21:23:03 <felipealmeida> Hi
Jan 26 21:23:14 <etheretic1> jay6981: same system on the Archimedes/Risc PC.
Jan 26 21:23:53 <jay6981> i think amiga eventually devised a system that loaded the kernel from disk too, can't remember
Jan 26 21:24:03 <aholler> yes
Jan 26 21:24:27 <jay6981> i don't think i've even seen an acorn PC… not many made it over to the states
Jan 26 21:24:28 <etheretic1> aholler: nmea - hard?
Jan 26 21:24:48 <aholler> ?
Jan 26 21:25:11 <etheretic1> jay6981: guess so. for ubernerds only. 8)
Jan 26 21:25:36 <etheretic1> (22:24:03) aholler: yes
Jan 26 21:25:49 <etheretic1> thought you answered my q.
Jan 26 21:26:23 <aholler> ah, no, that yes was about the amiga - kickstart
Jan 26 21:26:27 <etheretic1> jay6981: you may know they made the 1st arm chip.
Jan 26 21:26:49 <jay6981> yep… ARM = Acorn RISC Machine :)
Jan 26 21:27:09 <aholler> kickstart is now abrevatived MLO, for whatever reason ;)
Jan 26 21:27:20 <jay6981> my theory is that MLO is "memory loader"
Jan 26 21:27:40 <etheretic1> aholler: ah, good. have an opinion on the nmea question? "beagleboard goes to sea" sounds nice, yes? :)
Jan 26 21:28:32 <aholler> I don't know what nmea is ;)
Jan 26 21:28:59 <jay6981> rs-422?
Jan 26 21:29:37 <etheretic1> aholler: National Marine Electronics Association - inter-device comms standard.
Jan 26 21:30:02 <aholler> that national is national ;)
Jan 26 21:30:03 <etheretic1> jay6981: you know, it may be...
Jan 26 21:31:13 <jay6981> can the bb uart drive rs-422? i don't think so
Jan 26 21:31:32 <etheretic1> jay6981: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f13/nmea-0183-and-rs-422-vs-rs-232-a-12967.html
Jan 26 21:34:26 <etheretic1> jay6981: is it a hw or a sw issue?
Jan 26 21:34:37 <jay6981> well your article makes it sound like it'll work
Jan 26 21:34:53 <etheretic1> good...
Jan 26 21:34:54 <etheretic1> +
Jan 26 21:34:56 <jay6981> maybe you can just hook it up to the normal uart/rs232 port
Jan 26 21:40:12 <etheretic1> should, if the uart is really u(niversal).
Jan 26 21:40:27 <jay6981> heh
Jan 26 21:41:29 <etheretic1> http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm#nmea (data structure)
Jan 26 21:43:25 <etheretic1> i believe there are some (linux) nmea libraries at sourceforge.
Jan 26 21:48:26 <djlewis> altair basic come on rom :)
Jan 26 21:48:42 <etheretic1> imagine a beagleboard running OpenCPN in fluxbox, built into a IP67 box w. LED screen, gps/ais, nmea/usb - a linux-based navscomp++ for less than 1000$. 
Jan 26 21:48:44 <snowrichard> jjjjj
Jan 26 21:49:08 <snowrichard> hmmm.... irc channel stayed connected overnight on beagle
Jan 26 21:50:02 <etheretic1> snowrichard: flying pigs etc? ;)
Jan 26 21:50:04 <snowrichard> holy cow batman, I slept most of the day
Jan 26 21:50:38 <etheretic1> jay6981: interested in boats?
Jan 26 21:50:44 <etheretic1> (sail)
Jan 26 21:51:24 <Russ> why in the world would you want to speak nmea?
Jan 26 21:52:02 <djlewis> so you dont have to speak nema
Jan 26 21:52:28 <Russ> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=801
Jan 26 21:52:30 <etheretic1> Russ: to contol/monitor radar, echo sounder, engine, etc. from a linux desktop.
Jan 26 21:52:47 <Russ> nmea as an interchange format should die
Jan 26 21:53:44 <etheretic1> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openmecs/?source=directory then?
Jan 26 21:54:22 <Russ> why not start with gpsd?
Jan 26 21:55:02 <Russ> the main problem with speaking nmea is no such standard seems to exist. everyone seems to do their own thing
Jan 26 21:55:12 <snowrichard> i'm in pidgin on the beagle board
Jan 26 21:55:24 <snowrichard> and it had been dropping out of the channel quite often
Jan 26 21:56:46 <etheretic1> Russ: boats usually don't need altitude data... (maybe least important objection to nmea in above rant, but...;)
Jan 26 22:00:08 <etheretic1> Russ: what you're saying, if i hear you correctly, is that open source communities are more competent at defining/implementing such standards than megacorp-appointed pinheads?
Jan 26 22:00:29 <etheretic1> s/pinheads/committees
Jan 26 22:01:05 * etheretic1 is all for that.
Jan 26 22:01:51 <snowrichard> looks like there were 5 rejoins while i was asleep
Jan 26 22:02:24 <Russ> etheretic1, no, but there are a lot of standards that are so poorly specified, that it is a major major pain
Jan 26 22:03:24 <aholler> like ip(v6) ;)
Jan 26 22:04:22 <Russ> etheretic1, gpsd parses nmea and has a large number of heuristics for handling the different ways nmea has been implemented
Jan 26 22:04:56 <etheretic1> Russ: little one can do about it. what i'm saying is, it'd be nice to see the diesel tank volume displayed on m'desktop. for starters.
Jan 26 22:05:11 <Russ> ah
Jan 26 22:05:58 <etheretic1> Russ: are you in linuxland, btw?
Jan 26 22:06:02 <snowrichard> if i made a mobile computer it'd have to be in a car....after 4  1/2 years in the navy i'm never going on a large boat again
Jan 26 22:07:00 <etheretic1> snowrichard: the box i'm thinking of is mainly for the <30' sailboAT MARKET.
Jan 26 22:07:35 <etheretic1> smallish boat)
Jan 26 22:08:10 <Russ> etheretic1, I'm in a place called "Mesa"
Jan 26 22:08:31 <snowrichard> quite tiny compared the aircraft carrier i was on (Nimitz class, cvn 69) (the nimitz was cvn 68)
Jan 26 22:09:14 <etheretic1> Russ: i meant os-wise. not to waste anyone's time. :)
Jan 26 22:09:25 <Russ> of course I run linux
Jan 26 22:10:26 <etheretic1> snowrichard: so what is the class^H^H^H^H^Hunofficial top speed for an a.c.?
Jan 26 22:11:15 <etheretic1> Russ: assumptions are the mother etc.
Jan 26 22:12:47 <Russ> snowrichard, my grandpa took a big ship from camp tarawa for a tour of the japanese islands. He said he's done with big boats
Jan 26 22:12:53 <etheretic1> mesa/az? oslo here.
Jan 26 22:13:32 <djlewis> etheretic1: say hi to my ex sister and brother-in-law
Jan 26 22:13:34 <djlewis> ;)
Jan 26 22:13:34 <Russ> yup, az
Jan 26 22:13:50 <mru> djlewis: you have an ex-sister?
Jan 26 22:13:52 <etheretic1> djlewis: where do they hang out?
Jan 26 22:13:53 <mru> how does that work?
Jan 26 22:13:58 <snowrichard> i got a sister and niece live in apache jct, another niece in Tuscon
Jan 26 22:14:22 <djlewis> ex+sister inlaw...
Jan 26 22:14:48 <ds2> how about a smallboat like a personal sub? 
Jan 26 22:14:54 <djlewis> isn't a sister in law what you get when you marry a girl with a sister?
Jan 26 22:15:23 <djlewis> hell, its been 22 years back.. nm
Jan 26 22:15:31 <mru> your sister was married to another girl?
Jan 26 22:15:40 <djlewis> argh!
Jan 26 22:15:48 <mru> it's ok, we're open-minded here
Jan 26 22:15:53 <djlewis> lol
Jan 26 22:16:05 <ds2> I see the EUness is rubbing off
Jan 26 22:17:28 <etheretic1> ds2: if ip67 is good enogh, ...
Jan 26 22:18:19 <snowrichard> well i need to go check my mailbox before the bank closes i'm still waiting on 1 check
Jan 26 22:18:31 <ds2> encapsulate in epoxy
Jan 26 22:18:54 <djlewis> did your dish man return?
Jan 26 22:20:30 <etheretic1> ds2: as anti corrosion treatment goes, maybe that's a good idea. or.
Jan 26 22:21:43 <jay6981> etheretic1: yeah, sailboats are cool
Jan 26 22:22:56 <jay6981> snow richard said the carrier can do at least 35 knots in reverse
Jan 26 22:22:59 <etheretic1> jay6981: and they deserve open source h/w - s/w navs/control systems, yes?
Jan 26 22:23:06 <jay6981> etheretic1: sure, why not?
Jan 26 22:23:38 <etheretic1> jay6981: seen OpenCPN?
Jan 26 22:23:42 <jay6981> nope
Jan 26 22:24:26 <etheretic1> http://opencpn.org/ocpn/
Jan 26 22:24:50 <jay6981> looks cool… i only know how to sail dinghys on a calm lake though :)
Jan 26 22:24:55 <etheretic1> it's getting really neat.
Jan 26 22:26:28 <etheretic1> it needs some decent hardware to run on (low W). one can always use a vanilla notebook, but they are relatively power hungry and usually not watertight.
Jan 26 22:26:37 <jay6981> i daydream about sailing to hawaii or something though
Jan 26 22:26:40 <jay6981> one of these days...
Jan 26 22:26:52 <etheretic1> go for it!
Jan 26 22:27:23 <jay6981> lack of time, money and crew… usually bs, ya know?
Jan 26 22:27:29 <jay6981> usual
Jan 26 22:27:55 <etheretic1> it can change.
Jan 26 22:28:52 <ds2> toughbook
Jan 26 22:37:55 <etheretic1> oh yes. but they are pricey.
Jan 26 22:38:46 <ds2> I do wonder how well would a beagle LCD + C4 + inductive power coil work encased in lucite
Jan 26 22:38:56 <etheretic1> thinking of something with a 7" widescreen LED.
Jan 26 22:39:13 <jay6981> etheretic1: sounds like an interesting project
Jan 26 22:39:30 <etheretic1> jay6981: it is.
Jan 26 22:39:44 <etheretic1> big market.
Jan 26 22:40:08 <ds2> LED sucks. too much burn in
Jan 26 22:41:10 <ds2> prehaps 7" epaper ?
Jan 26 22:41:11 <etheretic1> low power consumption is imperative. hence led, maybe.
Jan 26 22:41:22 <ds2> LCDs don't burn that much power
Jan 26 22:41:28 <ds2> disable backlight
Jan 26 22:41:48 <etheretic1> it'd need to be sunlight readable.
Jan 26 22:41:57 <jay6981> how about one of those fancy super amoleds?
Jan 26 22:42:14 <ds2> LCDs can be sunlight readable
Jan 26 22:42:17 <etheretic1> sounds expensive?
Jan 26 22:42:24 <ds2> it is a must if you want to not use a backlight
Jan 26 22:42:26 <jay6981> probably… my mobile decide has one though
Jan 26 22:42:32 <etheretic1> ds2: yeah. toughbook.
Jan 26 22:42:43 <jay6981> device
Jan 26 22:44:32 <ds2> sun light able LCDs aren't that rare or expensive
Jan 26 22:44:46 <jay6981> pixel qi?
Jan 26 22:44:56 <ds2> lots of mfgs have them
Jan 26 22:45:03 <ds2> don't have to be pixelqi
Jan 26 22:45:55 <etheretic1> jay6981: like http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/263041310/C0240QGLA_T_AMOLED_display.html ?
Jan 26 22:46:46 <Russ> my olpc has a nice sun lightable lcd
Jan 26 22:46:52 <jay6981> that one is a little small, but yeah… those do alright in the sun i think
Jan 26 22:46:53 <Russ> its mono when sunlit though
Jan 26 22:47:50 <etheretic1> mono(crome)?
Jan 26 22:47:55 <Russ> yes
Jan 26 22:48:15 <etheretic1> that's a no-go.
Jan 26 22:48:34 <Russ> http://wowio.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/xo-sunlight-big.jpg
Jan 26 22:49:28 <etheretic1> http://lintechco-dg.en.made-in-china.com/product/MqwnlhgvkyVH/China-7-Inch-Waterproof-LCD-Monitor.html (sans visor)
Jan 26 22:50:17 <Russ> just remember, waterproof/water resistant isn't the same thing as sea spray proof
Jan 26 22:50:21 <etheretic1> got a quote from them - 120-150$/psc if 100 ordered.
Jan 26 22:51:32 <mru> oh, the joys a little salt on your circuits can bring
Jan 26 22:54:00 <etheretic1> think rugged.
Jan 26 22:54:55 <Russ> I think I've seen water tight containers for projects with connector ports with gaskets and such
Jan 26 22:55:47 <etheretic1> that's why i asked who manufactures the bb way back. could they be anti-corrosion-treated without sending the price through the roof?
Jan 26 22:56:11 <_av500_> seal it in epoxy
Jan 26 22:56:29 <Russ> _av500_, he could just the same case you used for your beagleboard
Jan 26 22:57:09 <etheretic1> Russ: sounds interesting. but it needs to be custom. recognisable, not vanilla. fluorescent.
Jan 26 22:59:33 <etheretic1> eminently conspiquous & desirable :)
Jan 26 23:00:51 <etheretic1> "hip".
Jan 26 23:03:57 <bigm> hello everyone 
Jan 26 23:04:12 <etheretic1> bigm.
Jan 26 23:10:25 <jno> So I have compiled a kernel as described here http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Building_Kernel now what's the next step? How do I make a rootfs and make the whole thing bootable?
Jan 26 23:11:29 <dwery> hello, anyone has I2C2 (i2c.3) working on the bone?
Jan 26 23:14:26 <rcn-ee> jno, depends, is there a specific rootfs, you'd like ubuntu/debian/fedora/angstrom etc..
Jan 26 23:15:28 <jno> ok, I want to use ubuntu. I've gotten the demo versions running, as well as a custom u-boot. I get "loading kernel..." and nothing happens
Jan 26 23:15:42 <rcn-ee> jno, what board?
Jan 26 23:15:54 <jno> beagleboardxm c
Jan 26 23:16:28 <rcn-ee> that should work as is...  did you use any special bootargs in your uEnv.txt
Jan 26 23:18:42 <jno> I haven't changed the uEnv.txt. To clarify I've gotten Ubuntu loaded and running using demo images, but I need to eventually build a custom kernel.
Jan 26 23:18:49 <jno> bootfile=uImage bootinitrd=uInitrd address_uimage=0x80300000 address_uinitrd=0x81600000  console=ttyO2,115200n8  defaultdisplay=dvi dvimode=1280x720MR-16@60  mmcroot=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ro mmcrootfstype=ext4 rootwait fixrtc optargs=console=tty0  mmc_load_uimage=fatload mmc 0:1 ${address_uimage} ${bootfile} mmc_load_uinitrd=fatload mmc 0:1 ${address_uinitrd} ${bootinitrd}  #dvi->defaultdisplay mmcargs=setenv bootargs console=${console} ${opta
Jan 26 23:20:04 <rcn-ee> so it just a the 'custom u-boot' that you only get "loading kernel..." and my demo image works fine?
Jan 26 23:21:01 <jno> so I used the script for: Demo Ubuntu-precise-alpha1 
Jan 26 23:21:06 <jno> that worked fine
Jan 26 23:21:21 <rcn-ee> okay... so what did you change in 'u-boot'..
Jan 26 23:23:04 <rcn-ee> for reference, the version of u-boot that script pulls in is.. mainline u-boot v2011.12 with 3 specific patches listed here: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/Bootloader-Builder/blob/master/build.sh#L172
Jan 26 23:23:58 <jno> then I compiled mainline u-boot as described in the wikis http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
Jan 26 23:24:12 <jno> this worked fine
Jan 26 23:24:43 <jno> the goal was to be able to change the GPIO settings
Jan 26 23:24:56 <jno> in the beagle.h file
Jan 26 23:24:58 <rcn-ee> 'worked fine' but no longer boots a the kernel....  or did you change something else and then it stopped..
Jan 26 23:25:20 <jno> it at all works up to here
Jan 26 23:25:32 <jno> now I want to build a custom kernel
Jan 26 23:25:36 <rcn-ee> with the way "http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#U-Boot" is written, right now is kinda a bad time, since they are in the middle of a merge..
Jan 26 23:26:34 <calculus> ooo, adafruit has a case for the bone, http://www.adafruit.com/products/699
Jan 26 23:26:39 <emeb> dwery: I've got I2C2 going on the bone.
Jan 26 23:27:01 <jno> well it all appears to work as written, should I roll back to the mainline source you linked?
Jan 26 23:27:03 <_av500_> IICC?
Jan 26 23:27:33 <emeb> sounds like some sort of government agency
Jan 26 23:27:34 <rcn-ee> jno, i'd really do  " git checkout v2011.12 -b jno-working-tree" and patch the files there..
Jan 26 23:27:50 <rcn-ee> then you atleast have a decent base of things..
Jan 26 23:27:59 <ds2> stop f'ing with u-boot
Jan 26 23:28:07 <Russ> I think it also fits in an altoid case
Jan 26 23:28:18 <rcn-ee> sweet, ds2 here, take over. ;) i'm heading home.. ;)
Jan 26 23:28:27 <jno> ok thanks for your help
Jan 26 23:28:41 <emeb> get rid of u-boot altogether
Jan 26 23:28:45 <ds2> rcn-ee: :)
Jan 26 23:28:53 <ds2> do the muxing in the kernel where it belongs
Jan 26 23:28:59 <emeb> hear hear
Jan 26 23:29:02 <ds2> if the bootloader loads the kernel, it is done.
Jan 26 23:29:25 <rcn-ee> ds2, kidding..  btw, do you have an updated muxing guide or the same one on  elinux.. 
Jan 26 23:30:03 <ds2> rcn-ee: no updates for the new code. but I tried 3.0 on the l-o tree and it works as advertised
Jan 26 23:30:08 <jno> well that's my next question, I've built a kernel and I have a uImage... but I have no idea what to do with it
Jan 26 23:30:12 <ds2> that was a while a go, of course.
Jan 26 23:30:54 <rcn-ee> jno, copy the uImage to the boot fat partition and the modules to the ext rootfs partition..
Jan 26 23:31:11 <ds2> I'd do more stuff if they weren't conspiring to put all the shows in the first 6 months of the year into the first 2 months @#$#$@!$!$%@!#@
Jan 26 23:31:17 <jno> ok that could be the problem. I had no idea with to do with the modules or headers
Jan 26 23:31:27 <rcn-ee> you don't need the headers
Jan 26 23:31:45 <jno> also is this the full command line to get the u-boot? git checkout v2011.12 -b jno-working-tree
Jan 26 23:32:24 <rcn-ee> jno, based on the elinux directions, you cloned the git u-boot tree from denx right?
Jan 26 23:33:13 <jno> at some point I probably did, I'll rerun through the elinux directions
Jan 26 23:50:44 <bigm> anyone know what the fs.mkdir and fs.mkdirSync commands do in Cloud9?
Jan 26 23:50:54 <bigm> or how to use them?
Jan 26 23:55:13 <jay6981> i'd have to guess they make a directory
Jan 26 23:55:53 <bigm> yeah, that's my thinking, but i have been trying to get them to run and i keep getting errors 
Jan 26 23:56:20 <bigm> wondering if anyone has had success and can point me in the right direction 
Jan 26 23:56:44 <jay6981> what kind of errors?
Jan 26 23:58:01 <bigm> TypeError: Bad Argument at Object.mkdir
Jan 26 23:58:59 <jay6981> so what arguments are you passing"?
Jan 27 00:00:52 <bigm> nevermind i figured it out 
Jan 27 00:01:07 <bigm> copied the wrong argument string 
Jan 27 00:01:15 <bigm> huzzah! i can now make directories. 
Jan 27 00:02:21 <bigm> now to figure out how to send shell commands 
Jan 27 00:04:40 <squeamish> do you need the 5v power supply for the ethernet to work on a beaglebone?
Jan 27 00:04:58 <squeamish> I see the link light on my switch but no packets seem to be escaping the bone
Jan 27 00:05:18 <jno> anybody have any problems in on a beagleboardxm revC with ethernet out of the box? I have one board which ethernet works on, and the other it doesn't. Same SD card.
Jan 27 00:05:50 <bigm> squeamish, yes you'll need a 5V power supply
Jan 27 00:06:43 <squeamish> bigm, it thinks it is receiving packets without out errors, but I'm not seeing them (and no tcpdump in the dist)
Jan 27 00:08:38 <squeamish> And no arp either :-(
Jan 27 00:17:28 <jno> is there any instructions out there on how to build a custom Ubuntu rootfs? Or is there at least a source for a vanilla rootfs on the beagleboardxm?
Jan 27 00:35:16 <jno> answered my own question https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
Jan 27 00:44:24 <etheretic1> Someone thinks a Panasonic Toughpad will be cheaper than an IP67-compliant OpenCPN/Linux/Beaglebone-based navigation system with 7" LCD touchscreen, GPS/AIS, NMEA-ports, rechargeable battery etc. Any takers? :)
Jan 27 00:45:10 <etheretic1> (latter = 800-1000$)
Jan 27 00:46:09 <ds2> I have seen touchbooks for as little as $500
Jan 27 00:46:42 <jay6981> what about power budget?
Jan 27 00:48:07 <etheretic1> hopefully <10W.
Jan 27 00:48:54 <etheretic1> certainly less than 20W.
Jan 27 00:49:08 <etheretic1> peak
Jan 27 00:50:48 <etheretic1> ds2: yes - but if you add gps, ais(receive), usb>nmea box...?
Jan 27 00:52:07 <ds2> ais?
Jan 27 00:53:26 <etheretic1> Automatic Identifications System.
Jan 27 00:53:37 <etheretic1> for ships.
Jan 27 00:54:08 <etheretic1> primarily.
Jan 27 00:55:59 <etheretic1> plots ships' position, speed, heading etc. in your navs software (such as OpenCPN).
Jan 27 00:56:25 <ds2> ah
Jan 27 01:00:05 <ds2> APRS for ships?
Jan 27 01:01:07 <etheretic1> basically.
Jan 27 01:01:33 <jacekowski> ds2: not many ships have transponders
Jan 27 01:01:49 <jacekowski> well, not many smaller ships
Jan 27 01:01:50 * etheretic1 isn't a radiohead, but wouldn't mind being one.
Jan 27 01:02:32 <etheretic1> jacekowski: true. it's the biggies which can be worrisome. 8-)
Jan 27 01:02:53 <ds2> surely, ships can turn on a pinhead regardless of size...
Jan 27 01:03:03 <etheretic1> no.
Jan 27 01:03:42 <tlab> I put dataloggers on engine, along with cell modem with gps
Jan 27 01:03:49 <tlab> engines
Jan 27 01:04:26 <tlab> large engines, like some that go on boats/ships
Jan 27 01:04:34 <etheretic1> tlab: that's what the nmea ports are for, amongst other things.
Jan 27 01:04:40 <jacekowski> shame that not many people now can navigate without gp
Jan 27 01:04:42 <jacekowski> gps
Jan 27 01:04:56 <jay6981> those building size engines that power supertankers?
Jan 27 01:05:16 <jacekowski> like for example with sextant
Jan 27 01:05:20 <tlab> yea I log nema, run the a python script against the log file and create a kml file for google
Jan 27 01:06:18 <tlab> jay6981, not quite that big; but engine is about the size of a large pickup truck
Jan 27 01:06:31 <tlab> piston is bigger than your head
Jan 27 01:06:41 <jacekowski> i used to work with 100kW-5MW diesels
Jan 27 01:06:52 <jay6981> those big diesels are cool… two stroke?
Jan 27 01:06:56 <jacekowski> 4
Jan 27 01:06:59 <tlab> nice
Jan 27 01:07:10 <jacekowski> now biggest diesel engine i work with is 100kW engine in my car
Jan 27 01:07:15 <tlab> we have a few 2MW running at work
Jan 27 01:07:22 <jay6981> i thought the big locomotives were two stroke diesel
Jan 27 01:07:31 <jacekowski> it's going to be fun starting it tomorrow
Jan 27 01:07:32 <etheretic1> jacekowski: handy having a sextant (and know how to use it) in case of a carrington event.
Jan 27 01:07:42 <jacekowski> as i have now 90% mix of veg oil in the tank
Jan 27 01:07:54 <jacekowski> i've never tried starting it with so much veg oil 
Jan 27 01:08:08 <tlab> natural gas is really kicking off now
Jan 27 01:08:10 <jacekowski> most i've tried before was 70% of veg in summer
Jan 27 01:08:40 <snowrichard> we've got natural gas wells going in next door my parents getting royalties
Jan 27 01:08:42 <tlab> we have engines that run on natural gas
Jan 27 01:09:04 <tlab> snowrichard, frac wells?
Jan 27 01:09:09 <jacekowski> any petrol engine will run on natural gas
Jan 27 01:09:13 <snowrichard> yeah horizontal
Jan 27 01:09:19 <jacekowski> it's just matter of delivering it into the engine
Jan 27 01:09:27 <jacekowski> but it's not much different to LPG
Jan 27 01:11:37 <etheretic1> www.pesn.com
Jan 27 01:11:41 <tlab> yea, I need to learn more about gas engine/engines in general
Jan 27 01:12:33 <jacekowski> it's all very similiar in principle
Jan 27 01:12:40 <jacekowski> burn fuel inside combustion chamber
Jan 27 01:12:46 <tlab> I thought the engines at work were big, but then someone showed me some 80MW engines
Jan 27 01:12:46 <jacekowski> that then expands and moves piston
Jan 27 01:13:02 <jacekowski> fuel changes, and delivery method
Jan 27 01:13:04 <jacekowski> but that's all
Jan 27 01:13:19 <etheretic1> infernal combustion engines...
Jan 27 01:13:41 <tlab> yea but the electrical side is what I'm more concerned with
Jan 27 01:13:44 <jacekowski> i'm just wondering if anybody tried running diesel engine on petrol
Jan 27 01:13:49 <tlab> sensors
Jan 27 01:14:01 <ds2> jacekowski: wanna write a celestrial nav package for the N900? :D
Jan 27 01:14:13 <jacekowski> ds2: i don't have n900 anymore
Jan 27 01:14:46 <ds2> oh
Jan 27 01:14:47 <ds2> :(
Jan 27 01:14:57 <ds2> jacekowski: what do you replace it with?
Jan 27 01:15:06 <etheretic1> jacekowski: stellarium?
Jan 27 01:15:12 <jacekowski> well nokia replaced it with n8
Jan 27 01:15:22 <jacekowski> and i've replaced it with samsung galaxy nexus
Jan 27 01:15:23 <ds2> so you left maemo land 
Jan 27 01:15:40 <ds2> fine, for android then :P
Jan 27 01:15:47 <jacekowski> anyways
Jan 27 01:15:49 <jay6981> you can't run a diesel engine on petrol
Jan 27 01:15:49 <jacekowski> sleep time for me
Jan 27 01:15:51 <jay6981> no spark plugs
Jan 27 01:15:56 <jacekowski> jay6981: doesn't matter
Jan 27 01:16:08 <jacekowski> jay6981: diesel engine will work on petrol
Jan 27 01:16:31 <jacekowski> but typical car engine isn't strong enough to take explosion caused by petrol
Jan 27 01:16:36 <jacekowski> as it burns much faster than diesel
Jan 27 01:17:03 <jacekowski> but i'm wondering if modern common rail type engine could be made to work with petrol 
Jan 27 01:17:10 <jacekowski> as those inject smaller doses of fuel more often
Jan 27 01:17:16 <etheretic1> jacekowski: bukh/sabb?
Jan 27 01:17:41 <jacekowski> etheretic1: ?
Jan 27 01:18:02 <etheretic1> work on petrol.
Jan 27 01:18:36 <jacekowski> and other thing is, if car manufacturers are going to start making their cars to work on veg oil out of the box
Jan 27 01:18:37 <etheretic1> thought they'd either refuse to start, or explode.
Jan 27 01:20:17 <jacekowski> i bought veg oil for £15 for 20l and diesel costs now around 1.40/liter
Jan 27 01:20:56 <etheretic1> over 2 in .no
Jan 27 01:23:25 <jay6981> don't think the diesel fuel pumps will tolerate petrol much… afaik they rely on the lubricating properties of diesel
Jan 27 01:23:57 <jay6981> a mixture is probably fine
Jan 27 01:24:20 <jacekowski> yes
Jan 27 01:24:47 <jacekowski> that's why i'm wondering if anybody is making diesel engines that can run on petrol
Jan 27 01:25:09 <jacekowski> i know that some make diesel engines running on gas
Jan 27 01:26:09 <jacekowski> there is nothing making that impossible
Jan 27 01:26:23 <jacekowski> but, is it cost effective
Jan 27 01:26:36 <mru> a bit of petrol in a diesel engine is mostly harmless
Jan 27 01:27:01 <mru> my sister once made the mistake
Jan 27 01:27:24 <jacekowski> my mother managed to do the opposite
Jan 27 01:27:44 <mru> from what I've heard, that's worse
Jan 27 01:27:49 <jacekowski> no
Jan 27 01:28:02 <jacekowski> diesel won't ignite from spark 
Jan 27 01:28:10 <jacekowski> and that's all
Jan 27 01:29:02 <mru> it takes less diesel in a petrol engine to make it stop than petrol in a diesel engine
Jan 27 01:29:35 <jacekowski> but it doesn't take a lot of petrol in diesel engine to damage it
Jan 27 01:29:43 <ds2> won't the gas in a diesel fail to ignite given the high octane?
Jan 27 01:29:51 <jacekowski> because everything relies on diesel lubrication
Jan 27 01:29:59 <jacekowski> ds2: rotfl
Jan 27 01:30:11 <jacekowski> ds2: diesel engines run on like 1:20 compression
Jan 27 01:30:20 <mru> a 50/50 mix won't cause immediate catastrophic damage
Jan 27 01:30:31 <jacekowski> ds2: 1:14 is enough to ignite pretty much any kind of petrol
Jan 27 01:31:13 <mru> if you run on such a mix for an extended period, it's probably not so good
Jan 27 01:31:26 <jacekowski> mru: well, i've read that diesel creates film on all elements and petrol dissolves it and increases wear of components a lot
Jan 27 01:31:50 <ds2> Hmmm
Jan 27 01:31:55 <mru> well, my sister did it and the engine is still fine
Jan 27 01:32:12 <jacekowski> but i'm just wondering why they made it that way
Jan 27 01:32:24 <jacekowski> i mean, petrol engines don't rely on fuel for lubrication
Jan 27 01:32:25 <mru> made?
Jan 27 01:32:38 <mru> of course not, since petrol doesn't lubricate
Jan 27 01:32:58 <jacekowski> or is it just higher pressure that requires better lubrication and using fuel was easiest choice
Jan 27 01:33:08 <etheretic1> http://luxury-sea.com/
Jan 27 01:35:37 <mru> diesel happens to provide some lubrication, so why not use what you're given?
Jan 27 01:36:00 <jacekowski> mru: so you can run it on petrol or other kind of shit 
Jan 27 01:36:23 <mru> what would be the point in that?
Jan 27 01:36:24 <jacekowski> petrol is cheaper
Jan 27 01:36:33 <mru> only because of stupid taxes
Jan 27 01:36:40 <mru> it's cheaper to make
Jan 27 01:36:46 <jacekowski> and has more energy per unit of mass and volume
Jan 27 01:36:52 <mru> diesel is cheaper
Jan 27 01:37:01 <jacekowski> and energy to price is better for petrol
Jan 27 01:37:10 <jacekowski> mru: i don't care if it's cheaper to make
Jan 27 01:37:18 <jacekowski> i care about how much i have to pay
Jan 27 01:37:28 <thurbad> diesel is about 10% more expensive in the US
Jan 27 01:37:30 <mru> think about that next election
Jan 27 01:37:46 <thurbad> than the highest grade gasoline
Jan 27 01:37:55 <jacekowski> mru: have you ever seen any government that reduced taxes?
Jan 27 01:38:01 <mru> thurbad: even your best petrol stinks
Jan 27 01:38:16 <mru> jacekowski: no, so think about in the previous election
Jan 27 01:38:32 <etheretic1> http://luxury-sea.com/ - what does seawater cost?
Jan 27 01:38:49 <mru> etheretic1: if you're on a boat at sea, nothing
Jan 27 01:39:21 <etheretic1> mru: right.
Jan 27 01:40:09 <mru> but water doesn't make very good fuel
Jan 27 01:40:33 <thurbad> you have to collect hydrogen to use it :P
Jan 27 01:40:57 <mru> split water?
Jan 27 01:41:02 <mru> that's rather costly
Jan 27 01:41:45 <etheretic1> the mig 675 uses the galvanic properties between two different metals to generate 50000 volts to split h2o into h h o.
Jan 27 01:42:02 <etheretic1> free.
Jan 27 01:42:10 <ds2> isn't that a battery?
Jan 27 01:42:11 <thurbad> and how much does the material that it's eroding cost?
Jan 27 01:42:38 <mru> nothing is free
Jan 27 01:42:53 <etheretic1> get used to it - the "laws of physics" are ripe for revision.
Jan 27 01:42:56 <mru> to split water you need to add at least as much energy as you gain by burning the resulting hydrogen
Jan 27 01:43:30 <mru> I think I'll stick to the good old laws of thermodynamics for yet a while
Jan 27 01:43:35 <etheretic1> that's old orthodox physics.
Jan 27 01:43:44 <mru> tried and trusted
Jan 27 01:43:55 <mru> it *works*, dammit
Jan 27 01:43:56 <etheretic1> lot are falsified.
Jan 27 01:44:15 <mru> nobody has yet proven thermodynamics wrong
Jan 27 01:44:29 <mru> you can't just make energy out of nothing
Jan 27 01:44:43 <etheretic1> www.ecat.lcom
Jan 27 01:44:47 <mru> lol
Jan 27 01:44:55 <mru> another cold fusion hoax
Jan 27 01:45:00 <etheretic1> nothing is nothing.
Jan 27 01:45:16 <etheretic1> supported by nasa.
Jan 27 01:45:22 <mru> rotfl
Jan 27 01:45:27 <mru> you really believe that crap?
Jan 27 01:46:04 <thurbad> I'll drive a car powered by water if you give me one :P
Jan 27 01:46:07 <mru> just because someone from nasa mentioned lenr in a video doesn't make it "sponsored by nasa" and certainly not true
Jan 27 01:46:25 <etheretic1> i've followed "that crap" for longer than the 2 seconds it took you to reject it out of hand.
Jan 27 01:46:44 <mru> I've been laughing at it for a couple of years now
Jan 27 01:47:20 <etheretic1> read e. mallowe's story about what happened at mit.
Jan 27 01:48:35 <mru> the evil, conspiring scientists refused to believe a fairy tale?
Jan 27 01:48:37 <etheretic1> fine, laugh all you want. rossi has sold 14 1mw generators to an undisclosed us customer (navy?).
Jan 27 01:48:56 <mru> you're just taking his word for it?
Jan 27 01:49:00 <thurbad> navy doesn't need them they use nuclear :P
Jan 27 01:49:11 <etheretic1> the hot fusion "scientists", certainly.
Jan 27 01:49:24 <mru> "this machine is great, but I won't let you look at it"
Jan 27 01:49:43 <mru> "I've sold the machine, so it's got to be good, but I won't tell you to whom"
Jan 27 01:49:49 <mru> sorry, that just doesn't fly
Jan 27 01:50:22 <etheretic1> lie. lots of ppl have seen it. he hasn't revealed the catalyst.
Jan 27 01:50:38 <etheretic1> for patent reasons.
Jan 27 01:50:45 <thurbad> pure unobtainium :P
Jan 27 01:51:01 <thurbad> sorry couldn't resist
Jan 27 01:51:05 <mru> he hasn't revealed how it "works", nor allowed unbiased scientists to make accurate measurements
Jan 27 01:51:12 <mru> thurbad: +1
Jan 27 01:51:55 <etheretic1> mru: ppl from uppsala uni seemed satisfied.
Jan 27 01:52:13 <mru> _one_ crackpot from a swedish uni seems to believe in it
Jan 27 01:52:42 <thurbad> patents are easy to come by I think I have 2 that have been granted and I really didn't do anything like come up with cold fusion's secret
Jan 27 01:53:05 <mru> thurbad: british rail got a patent for a flying saucer
Jan 27 01:53:10 <etheretic1> i don't waste time with detractors who have made up their mind in a pathologically sceptical fashion. :/
Jan 27 01:53:12 <thurbad> sweet
Jan 27 01:53:39 <mru> I'll believe it when independent scientists are able to repeat the feat in a controlled lab setting
Jan 27 01:53:41 <thurbad> I frankly hope you're right
Jan 27 01:53:56 <mru> of course it would be great if it works
Jan 27 01:54:27 <etheretic1> mru: scientists are paid to (re)search, not find.
Jan 27 01:55:07 <thurbad> depends where they work
Jan 27 01:55:39 <etheretic1> all serious research happens in black budget sap's.
Jan 27 01:56:58 <mru> I don't care how it's paid for
Jan 27 01:57:17 <mru> I just want a detailed, public paper so someone else can reproduce it
Jan 27 01:57:31 <mru> preferably one that explains the physics involved
Jan 27 01:58:02 <thurbad> I don't even care about that... power my car cheaply and I'll drink some coolaid :P
Jan 27 01:59:29 <waylandsmith> hey, I have kind of a newbish question
Jan 27 01:59:38 <etheretic1> watch http://www.archive.org/details/EvidenceOfRevision and say there is no conspiracy to keep the status quo.
Jan 27 01:59:43 <waylandsmith> but research hasn't been very productive
Jan 27 01:59:48 <mru> waylandsmith: great, anything is better than etheretic1's ramblings
Jan 27 01:59:56 <waylandsmith> k
Jan 27 02:00:32 <waylandsmith> so I have a surplus of VGA monitors and I've been using analog monitors exclusively for years.  I'm interested in buying a BeagleBoard-XM,
Jan 27 02:00:32 * etheretic1 handwaviums
Jan 27 02:00:45 <waylandsmith> but I don't really have money to spring on a digital monitor
Jan 27 02:01:12 <snowrichard> i got this dvi lcd panel on Ebay for $50.00 arrived next day
Jan 27 02:01:24 <waylandsmith> really?  That's awesome
Jan 27 02:01:31 <waylandsmith> I have not been so fortunate
Jan 27 02:01:36 <waylandsmith> in my searches on Ebay
Jan 27 02:01:39 <waylandsmith> and the general web
Jan 27 02:01:42 <waylandsmith> A.) am I correct in assuming that my DVI-A to VGA adapter won't work, and 
Jan 27 02:01:59 <thurbad> you can buy a 19 inch new for around $100
Jan 27 02:02:05 <waylandsmith> B.) is there any comparably priced way (less the $50.00) to make a VGA monitor work?
Jan 27 02:02:18 <thurbad> beagleboard is dvi-d
Jan 27 02:02:24 <waylandsmith> mhm
Jan 27 02:02:28 <waylandsmith> which is purely digital
Jan 27 02:02:32 <thurbad> yup
Jan 27 02:03:03 <waylandsmith> and I should explain some context:
Jan 27 02:03:22 <waylandsmith> I'm trying to build a custom 'briefcase laptop',
Jan 27 02:03:30 <waylandsmith> so the monitor has to be small
Jan 27 02:05:17 <waylandsmith> are there any good converter boards/boxes out there, or some other way of approaching this?
Jan 27 02:06:00 <ds2> you can get dvi monitors for sub $100 w/o going to ebay
Jan 27 02:06:16 <waylandsmith> really?  I have not been able to find any
Jan 27 02:06:18 <ds2> yes, slap on a LCD directly
Jan 27 02:06:26 <ds2> easier and less trouble then a silly monitor
Jan 27 02:06:40 <ds2> but then I am a bit bias ;)
Jan 27 02:08:10 <etheretic1> http://www.alibaba.com/products/lcd_monitor/--7080401.html - one can order samples.
Jan 27 02:08:23 <ds2> this is odd... did someone actually make a armv5T w/VFP?
Jan 27 02:08:39 <mru> ds2: I think it's been done
Jan 27 02:08:59 <ds2> thought vfp's are newer then armv5? like neon is newer then armv6
Jan 27 02:10:34 <waylandsmith> ok.  Would it be difficult to convert, say, http://www.evertek.com/viewpart.asp?auto=73122&cat=39 this monitor to DVI or HDMI? 
Jan 27 02:15:54 <waylandsmith> or really any LVDS panel
Jan 27 02:15:58 <mru> ds2: there is a vfp9-s coprocessor that can be bolted to any arm9e core
Jan 27 02:16:14 <waylandsmith> (I'm pretty sure this is LVDS, and some of the others I've found definitely are)
Jan 27 02:16:25 <ds2> waylandsmith: just put in a parallel LCD.
Jan 27 02:16:29 <ds2> simple and easy
Jan 27 02:17:12 <ds2> mru: I see. (Context - apparently android's buildsystem knows about that but not armv6's)
Jan 27 02:17:18 <waylandsmith> what's a parellel lcd?
Jan 27 02:17:24 <mru> ds2: weird
Jan 27 02:17:44 <mru> I've never seen an arm9 with vfp
Jan 27 02:17:49 <mru> but arm11 usually has it
Jan 27 02:17:52 <waylandsmith> (sorry.....as I stated, display tech is totally alien to me)
Jan 27 02:18:59 <ds2> the choices are armv5te-vfp, armv5te, armv4t, armv7-a-neon, armv7-a... very wierd
Jan 27 02:19:18 <ds2> waylandsmith: just that. 
Jan 27 02:19:25 <ds2> LVDS is serial
Jan 27 02:21:27 <waylandsmith> so the RS-232 serial port on the XM would connect to an LVDS?
Jan 27 02:23:37 <ds2> eh?
Jan 27 02:23:59 <ds2> isn't that like saying you can put the wheel from you car on your bike?
Jan 27 02:24:05 <waylandsmith> I guess I'm having trouble following.
Jan 27 02:24:07 <waylandsmith> like I said
Jan 27 02:24:20 <waylandsmith> I know nothing about display technology whatsoever
Jan 27 02:24:34 <ds2> serial means just that... one thing after another
Jan 27 02:24:41 <ds2> parallel means many things at the same time
Jan 27 02:25:03 <waylandsmith> ok, seems logical enough
Jan 27 02:25:34 <waylandsmith> but how does this relate to my objective:  eiter use an existing VGA or a cheap LVDS on the xM?
Jan 27 02:25:51 <ds2> the native interface on the SoC in question is a parallel interface
Jan 27 02:26:03 <ds2> to use VGA requires a ADC. 
Jan 27 02:26:07 <ds2> to use LVDS requires a serializer
Jan 27 02:26:26 <ds2> to use a parallel LCD requires hooking it up and meeting electrical requirements.
Jan 27 02:26:45 <waylandsmith> instead of providing power seperately
Jan 27 02:27:17 <ds2> you can do that with any display
Jan 27 02:27:17 <waylandsmith> eek.  I was kinda hoping to avoid that, partially out of laziness and partially out of desire to not fry equipment
Jan 27 02:27:37 <ds2> you can buy prebuilt boards for any of those
Jan 27 02:28:32 <waylandsmith> what's the average cost range?  at this point, I don't even know what to search for
Jan 27 02:30:22 <ds2> average... maybe a few hundred if not thousands
Jan 27 02:30:29 <ds2> average is a funny thing 
Jan 27 02:30:36 <waylandsmith> um
Jan 27 02:30:42 <waylandsmith> so really bad option, then
Jan 27 02:30:47 <ds2> didn't say that
Jan 27 02:30:54 <ds2> just answering what you asked
Jan 27 02:30:54 <waylandsmith> seeing as I might as well buy a new monitor for less
Jan 27 02:30:57 <waylandsmith> mhm
Jan 27 02:31:29 <ds2> average of 2 things... one for $0.50, the other for $100 means a average of $50.25
Jan 27 02:31:43 <ds2> yet that isn't a representive price
Jan 27 02:32:52 <ds2> prehaps starting from the begining is the most useful
Jan 27 02:32:58 <ds2> what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Jan 27 02:33:12 <waylandsmith> I guess I'm understating my ineptitude.  I'm a novice hacker/tinkerer, but I have no real knowledge of electronics or hardware hacking beyond basic electrical soldering and a budget of at most $200
Jan 27 02:33:31 <ds2> so you want a board + display for at most $200?
Jan 27 02:33:42 <ds2> and you blew $150 of that on the board, is that right?
Jan 27 02:33:46 <waylandsmith> not yet
Jan 27 02:33:50 <waylandsmith> haven't bought anything
Jan 27 02:33:53 <waylandsmith> and no
Jan 27 02:34:29 <ds2> unless you have a common/typical setup, it isn't do able...however, there is a lot you can do w/o a display
Jan 27 02:34:31 <waylandsmith> I'm not done...basically the idea is this.  build a custom briefcase, display on one half, device on the other.  USB mouse + keyboard in the bottom half
Jan 27 02:34:46 <waylandsmith> I want to use this as a custom, lightweight laptop
Jan 27 02:34:52 <waylandsmith> idk about batteries
Jan 27 02:34:53 <ds2> what size screen?
Jan 27 02:34:58 <waylandsmith> no preferences
Jan 27 02:35:08 <ds2> well, I have seen NTSC displays go for $20-$30
Jan 27 02:35:22 <ds2> but those are like 2.5"
Jan 27 02:35:22 <waylandsmith> huh.
Jan 27 02:35:23 <waylandsmith> also
Jan 27 02:35:29 <waylandsmith> if I build it in pieces
Jan 27 02:35:44 <waylandsmith> IE the briefcase + monitor first, and use a different computer as the device for a time,
Jan 27 02:35:45 <ds2> the board supports DVI-D, Parallel video, and S-Video
Jan 27 02:35:48 <waylandsmith> my budget opens up
Jan 27 02:38:33 <waylandsmith> doesn't it also have an HDMI port?
Jan 27 02:39:00 <ds2> it is strictly speaking a DVI-D port
Jan 27 02:39:10 <ds2> no audio, no DRM, no HDCP, etc
Jan 27 02:39:32 <waylandsmith> ah.   Ok.  I see that on the board
Jan 27 02:39:58 <ds2> for low budget and no electronic skills, the S-Video port is probally the easiest
Jan 27 02:40:24 <ds2> there should be used Composite or S-Video monitors all over the place for cheap
Jan 27 02:40:39 <waylandsmith> hmm
Jan 27 02:40:44 <waylandsmith> okay, I'll try that
Jan 27 02:41:00 <ds2> be creative in what you look for
Jan 27 02:41:15 <ds2> they made them to pair up with video game systems for portable use
Jan 27 02:41:41 <waylandsmith> anyway, you guys have been helpful.  I'll search for S-video monitors, but if my budget can't support it I'll just buy the best value DVI monitor now, use it with an existing mobile device I have, and buy a BeagleBoard at a later date.
Jan 27 02:41:42 <waylandsmith> or
Jan 27 02:41:44 <waylandsmith> wait
Jan 27 02:41:47 <waylandsmith> back to one point
Jan 27 02:42:14 <ds2> the xM is a nicer processor
Jan 27 02:42:18 <waylandsmith> I have spare VGA monitors.  I know that it'd require a special converter,
Jan 27 02:42:34 <waylandsmith> but would such a converter be cheap enough to make the budget work?
Jan 27 02:42:36 <ds2> the beagle board classic is cheaper and more 'useful'
Jan 27 02:42:44 <waylandsmith> I mean xM
Jan 27 02:42:44 <ds2> only if you design it yourself
Jan 27 02:42:57 <waylandsmith> hmm
Jan 27 02:43:17 <ds2> classic and a new 15" monitor might be doable
Jan 27 02:43:21 <ds2> I am curious...let me look
Jan 27 02:45:00 <thurbad> if you get a classic there are existing vga converters in the $30 range
Jan 27 02:45:03 <ds2> $65 for a 17" monitor, free shipping
Jan 27 02:45:13 <ds2> a BB classic is like $120
Jan 27 02:45:23 <waylandsmith> S-video?
Jan 27 02:45:26 <ds2> so there... with room to spare for a hub
Jan 27 02:45:28 <ds2> no, DVI-D
Jan 27 02:45:41 <waylandsmith> oh
Jan 27 02:45:54 <waylandsmith> oh I see what you were doing
Jan 27 02:46:01 <waylandsmith> no, I misspoke when I said BeagleBoard
Jan 27 02:46:02 <ds2> sorry, $69.99
Jan 27 02:46:12 <waylandsmith> I know that I am def. only interested in xM
Jan 27 02:46:35 <ds2> so that is $20 over your budget if you need the xM
Jan 27 02:46:43 <waylandsmith> but what do you think is the cheapest I could get a reliable VGA - DVI-D converter?
Jan 27 02:47:56 <ds2> donno... they aren't that common
Jan 27 02:48:16 <waylandsmith> :/ so I gathered from my earlier searches
Jan 27 02:50:29 <waylandsmith> can you explain to me again why an  LVDS panel wouldn't be possible/would be prohibitavely pricey?
Jan 27 02:51:42 <ds2> you need to design a board with a LVDS transmitter and a mating connector for the panel
Jan 27 02:51:48 * prpplague waits for ds2 to answer
Jan 27 02:51:51 <ds2> if you knew how to do that, it might be possible to do cheap
Jan 27 02:51:59 <ds2> if you don't...
Jan 27 02:52:16 <ds2> for $50, there isn't much room to design boards
Jan 27 02:52:32 <ds2> you could try mod'ing boards as a certain person here is hinting
Jan 27 02:52:33 <waylandsmith> I don't...I imagine it's not easy to learn?  I have basic electrical soldering skills but that's pretty much it
Jan 27 02:52:47 <waylandsmith> hmm
Jan 27 02:52:54 <waylandsmith> that could be interesting
Jan 27 02:57:08 <ds2> vmla.i16 <--- that is a neon instruction, right?
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Jan 27 03:07:11 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 27 03:15:00 <mranostay> back finally
Jan 27 08:44:54 <aj2903> hii
Jan 27 08:45:20 <aj2903> i have doubt regarding beaglebone board
Jan 27 08:46:15 <aj2903> the board is not having nand/nor flash memory. does this will affect the performance
Jan 27 08:46:27 <aj2903> of the linux
Jan 27 08:47:32 <aj2903> can someone help me to clarify my doubt
Jan 27 08:48:12 <aj2903> help !!!!
Jan 27 09:06:00 <hitlin37> aj2903,linux is not dependent on nand
Jan 27 09:06:56 <hitlin37> linux works fine from sd-card too....
Jan 27 09:39:05 <etheretic1> 'morning snaakje.
Jan 27 09:40:07 <snaakje> mornin', eth.
Jan 27 09:42:58 <etheretic1> had a little "free energy" (cold fusion) discussion earlier on. most were on the "the Physical Laws cannot be broken"-tack.
Jan 27 09:44:32 <av500> there are enough non-physical laws to be broken out there
Jan 27 09:44:57 <etheretic1> don't know your take on that (physical "laws hewn in stone).
Jan 27 09:45:12 <etheretic1> heh.
Jan 27 09:46:16 <etheretic1> need a power source on our hypothetical boxen. rechargeable at least.
Jan 27 09:51:42 <etheretic1> snaakje: is a 9 volt li-ion battery appropriate? in lieu of a micro-ecat or such. 
Jan 27 09:51:58 <snaakje> Dunno.
Jan 27 09:52:11 * snaakje isn't considering an internal battery.
Jan 27 09:58:05 <etheretic1> sort of cumbersome and cluttery with a lead to the cabin.
Jan 27 10:01:10 <parana> which package do i need to install for making "make install" work? PS: i've installed gcc and make, so "make" works..
Jan 27 10:08:01 <av500> if you have make, you can make
Jan 27 10:11:48 <av500> DJW|Home: wtf, pandora will go into production?
Jan 27 10:21:57 <parana> av500: i can make, but for installation i need "make install" but when i write make install it says "make: install: Command not found"
Jan 27 10:22:26 <av500> install is a target in your makefile
Jan 27 10:22:47 <av500> but install is also a binary
Jan 27 10:22:50 <av500> so install install
Jan 27 10:23:03 <av500> coz you make with make and you install with install
Jan 27 10:23:22 <av500> more can give you less and less can be more
Jan 27 10:23:28 <parana> "-sh: install: command not found"
Jan 27 10:23:41 <av500> install install
Jan 27 10:23:51 <parana> where can i find install?
Jan 27 10:23:56 <parana> i dont have internet
Jan 27 10:24:02 <av500> where did you find make?
Jan 27 10:24:07 <av500> or gcc
Jan 27 10:24:09 <parana> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/unstable/ipk/glibc/armv7a/base/
Jan 27 10:24:29 <parana> is it libsub-install?
Jan 27 10:24:58 <av500> doubt it
Jan 27 10:26:08 <av500> try coreutils
Jan 27 10:26:39 <parana> coreutils or coreutils-dev?
Jan 27 10:27:07 <av500> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
Jan 27 10:27:50 <parana> ok :)
Jan 27 10:33:34 <bonebone> hi
Jan 27 10:52:50 <parana> av500 i've installed both and worked..
Jan 27 10:52:52 <parana> thx
Jan 27 11:25:16 <parana> av500: and installing which package for making "gcc" command work? PS: i have allready installed gcc and gcc-dev
Jan 27 11:46:09 <adge> hello all
Jan 27 11:46:41 <adge> Is there anyone who used android on beaglebone?
Jan 27 11:46:55 <av500> is there android for the bone to be used?
Jan 27 11:48:28 <adge> yes 
Jan 27 11:49:04 <adge> It is usable but I have some problems about audio
Jan 27 11:51:08 <parana>  which package should i install for making "gcc" command work? PS: i have allready installed gcc, gcc-dev, libgcc, libgcc-dev from http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/core/ipk/eglibc/armv7a/base/
Jan 27 11:52:20 <av500> you might want to explain what does not "work"
Jan 27 11:52:48 <parana> # gcc                                                                                           
Jan 27 11:52:49 <parana> -sh: gcc: command not found
Jan 27 11:53:19 <dwery> etheretic1: I cast a vote for the ecat :D
Jan 27 11:53:43 <aholler_> parana: opkg install task-native-sdk
Jan 27 11:54:25 <parana> aholler i dont have internet still :) but i will find it and will install as .ipk
Jan 27 11:55:19 * av500 hopes parana will find the internet
Jan 27 11:56:36 <ka6sox> did it get lost?
Jan 27 11:56:39 <koen> I wonder how IRC works without internet
Jan 27 11:56:45 <mru> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg
Jan 27 11:57:21 <adge> parana: Do you have toolchain, if so you need to export PATH with toolchin, else should install sdk
Jan 27 11:57:29 <parana> koen: this is my host machine.. I dont have internet at beagle..
Jan 27 11:58:17 <parana> aholler : is it task-core-standalone-sdk-target_1.0-r6_armv7a.ipk ?
Jan 27 12:00:29 <aholler> I don't know
Jan 27 12:00:58 <parana> ok find it..
Jan 27 12:01:06 <parana> i mean i find it..
Jan 27 12:03:07 <aholler> I assume it's a meta-package, so you won't find an ipk
Jan 27 12:03:54 <aholler> http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/usb_modeswitch-1.1.9-arm-static.bz2
Jan 27 12:04:31 <aholler> if you still usb_modeswitch to get the internet
Jan 27 12:04:36 <aholler> +need
Jan 27 12:04:48 <koen> why not install the angstorm package for it?
Jan 27 12:04:58 <aholler> ask him ;)
Jan 27 12:43:37 <Carim> hello, can anyone tell me something about serial ports on beagleboard-xm in linux/android?
Jan 27 12:44:55 <aholler> they exist
Jan 27 12:51:07 <Carim> i know
Jan 27 12:51:38 <Carim> but when I type ls /dev/tty* i see 3 devices
Jan 27 12:52:16 <Carim> and I don't know what device is phisical port on board
Jan 27 12:54:57 <av500> why not read the manual?
Jan 27 12:55:22 <LetoThe2nd> ... especially the pinout of the expansion headers ;)
Jan 27 12:55:50 <koen> bone update: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beaglebone-2012.01.27.img.xz
Jan 27 13:03:17 <felipealmeida> koen: Hi, why was boost-jam-native removed from Angstrom?
Jan 27 13:04:44 <koen> felipealmeida: dunno, I don't use boost
Jan 27 13:05:01 <felipealmeida> ah, it was removed from openembedded actually right?
Jan 27 13:05:25 <koen> again, dunno
Jan 27 13:05:37 <felipealmeida> ok. thanks
Jan 27 13:05:54 <felipealmeida> koen: I've fixed in my local copy a error I was having with ti-dmai
Jan 27 13:06:01 <felipealmeida> would you like patches?
Jan 27 13:08:02 <koen> send them to the meta-ti list
Jan 27 13:08:23 <koen> (provided you're using the oe-core workflow, if not, switch to the oe-core workflow)
Jan 27 13:09:11 <felipealmeida> I'm using the instructions in the angstrom page to download and build from master with setup-scripts
Jan 27 13:09:45 <felipealmeida> setup-scripts master branch and ./oebb.sh
Jan 27 13:11:02 <koen> that's the oe-core flow
Jan 27 13:11:26 <felipealmeida> ok. thanks. Will do later today
Jan 27 13:54:00 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 27 13:55:41 <bonebone> strange behavior of touchpad core of beaglebone, i can see in the scope the bone making pulses for Y+ and Y-, and no pulses in X+ nor X-. The pulses should be in x+ and y+, it's like two ainX are swapped.
Jan 27 14:02:10 <aholler> thats a usual problem with touchpads
Jan 27 14:02:45 <aholler> but the drivers usually have options for such
Jan 27 14:35:53 <kapinter> Hi guys! Trying to run opengl examples on beagleboard with 4.8 QWS and I'm getting the following error : EGL_BAD_NATIVE_WINDOW . Anyone any ideas?
Jan 27 14:51:21 <etheretic1> kapinter: maybe try http://bit.ly/z0GJDa
Jan 27 14:52:27 <etheretic1> lists 3 hits on opengl errors.
Jan 27 14:56:55 <kapinter> thanks! I managed to solve that one with fbset.real, but I still don't get any picture :-(
Jan 27 14:58:17 <etheretic1> i don't have a bb and i'm not a coder. the bb may be useful for a project i'm thinking of, to be made by 3rd parties.
Jan 27 15:00:17 <etheretic1> methinks most ppl here are in the .us, and their workday is just beginning.
Jan 27 15:07:46 <aholler> etheretic1: I doubt that ;)
Jan 27 15:08:24 <K-4U> So, does anybody know if i can use lm-sensors on the beagleboard running the latest ubuntu?
Jan 27 15:08:44 <K-4U> Not sure if there are any sensors attached to the beagleboard though...
Jan 27 15:08:45 <etheretic1> aholler: hope you're right. an assumption since it's a ti-associated product.
Jan 27 15:10:25 <aholler> K-4U: there isn't something interesting to measure
Jan 27 15:11:10 <K-4U> okay, thnx :P
Jan 27 15:11:25 <aholler> no fans, no heat and if the voltage is wrong the system halts or burns
Jan 27 15:12:33 * etheretic1 wonders if bit.ly/whJqti could be a fine powersource for a (rugged) bb-based system?
Jan 27 15:15:43 <av500> etheretic1: why not
Jan 27 15:16:10 <K-4U> So, what did you all do with the beagleboard? :)
Jan 27 15:17:56 <aholler> looking at the heard-beat of the linux kernel
Jan 27 15:19:52 <K-4U> aholler: hm.. interesting
Jan 27 15:21:24 <etheretic1> av500: it's for an OpenCPN linux-based navscomp ++ w. 7" LED screen, GPS, AIS and NMEA port(s).
Jan 27 15:25:11 <av500> etheretic1: yes, and?
Jan 27 15:26:25 <etheretic1> av500: looking for suitable bits and bobs (elements, like gps/ais receiver, led screen, battery, etc.)
Jan 27 15:28:47 <etheretic1> av500: http://bit.ly/zHd4JH may be a fine screen, for instance. ~120$/pcs if 100 ordered.
Jan 27 15:31:10 <av500> etheretic1: yes, I do rwad IRC here :)
Jan 27 15:31:12 <av500> read
Jan 27 15:33:19 <etheretic1> ?
Jan 27 15:33:54 <av500> etheretic1: you dont have to explain what you are up to :)
Jan 27 15:34:00 <av500> I know it
Jan 27 15:34:19 <etheretic1> oh right. :)
Jan 27 15:34:24 <av500> and I said, why not use that battery
Jan 27 15:36:39 <etheretic1> depends. it should be able to run the system for 12hrs+ on one charge.
Jan 27 15:37:23 <etheretic1> and the power consumption of the whole shebang isn't known yet.
Jan 27 15:38:11 <mru> what do you care, you claimm to have free energy
Jan 27 15:39:03 <Lahar> Hi All, I am looking for some help on beagleboard VGA
Jan 27 15:39:07 <bonebone> i have the touch controller working in the beaglebone, i swapped ain1 with ain2, really strange
Jan 27 15:39:23 <mru> Lahar: beagleboard doesn't have vga
Jan 27 15:39:42 <Lahar> Yes, I have the daughterboard attached with it
Jan 27 15:40:16 <Lahar> I have beagleboard C4 and daughterboard vga attached with it
Jan 27 15:40:50 <Lahar> According to the postings that I read so far online...this daughterboard should just work with the old software
Jan 27 15:41:18 <Lahar> meaning if we attach vga daughterboard to C4, we don't need any new software
Jan 27 15:41:25 <Lahar> but it doesn't work....
Jan 27 15:42:31 <Lahar> mru: Do you have any idea what could be the problem?
Jan 27 15:44:20 <Lahar> mru: Is it ok to ask questions related to beagleboard vga daughterboard here?
Jan 27 15:44:34 <etheretic1> mru: it's not on the shelves - yet.
Jan 27 15:44:58 <mru> Lahar: which addon board do you have?
Jan 27 15:45:32 <Lahar> mru: I have this - http://boardzoo.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=2
Jan 27 15:45:53 <mru> now explain what you did and what errors you got
Jan 27 15:45:58 <mru> then maybe someone will be able to help you
Jan 27 15:49:33 <Lahar> mru: I am trying to find a picture to show you how I connected this board to C4
Jan 27 15:49:45 <Lahar> mru: please give me some time
Jan 27 15:50:52 <K-4U> Anybody of you ordered the LCD from malaysia?
Jan 27 15:52:15 <av500> *the* LCD?
Jan 27 15:53:04 <av500> etheretic1: btw, what makes you think the above is a *fine* screen?
Jan 27 15:53:42 <Lahar> mru: If you see the third picture on this link you will see exactly that's how I connected beagle vga board to C4 http://boardzoo.com/product_info12.php
Jan 27 15:53:42 <av500> other than for watching 80's style grainy video?
Jan 27 15:54:01 <av500> Lahar: yes, sure, now else would you connect it?
Jan 27 15:54:17 <etheretic1> av500: suitable as to size, resolution, power consumption, IPness plus i've had confirmed it's salt water proof).
Jan 27 15:54:29 <K-4U> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#ecwid:category=0&mode=product&product=7703686 <-- sorry, this one :P
Jan 27 15:54:42 <av500> resolution? you find 133x234 pixels suitable?
Jan 27 15:54:54 <Lahar> mru: and it's not working at all
Jan 27 15:55:08 <etheretic1> av500: let me check the link...
Jan 27 15:55:42 <Lahar> av500: thanks for your input
Jan 27 15:57:35 <Lahar> mru: I wasn't even able to find any reference manual or datasheet of beagle vga board, do you know where can i find one?
Jan 27 15:57:55 <av500> Lahar: asked to manufacturer/seller?
Jan 27 15:57:58 <av500> to->the
Jan 27 15:58:25 <Lahar> av500: allright Thanks!
Jan 27 15:58:45 <Lahar> av500: I will ask manufacturer
Jan 27 15:59:36 <etheretic1> av500: http://tinyurl.com/85fwkv5 is maybe closer.
Jan 27 16:00:12 <av500> its still analog
Jan 27 16:01:40 <etheretic1> "7 inches Digital stand alone LCD monitor "
Jan 27 16:02:01 <av500> --System: PAL&NTSC automatic switch 
Jan 27 16:02:31 <av500> last time I checked, pal and ntsc were analog
Jan 27 16:02:56 <etheretic1> i'm learning.
Jan 27 16:03:15 <mru> good, try learning some physics too
Jan 27 16:03:30 <etheretic1> mru: P
Jan 27 16:05:34 <etheretic1> remarkable how well the "Laws of Physics" entrench the energy monopoly..
Jan 27 16:07:14 <mru> remarkable how the laws of physics govern the _ENTIRE UNIVERSE_
Jan 27 16:07:57 <av500> mru: cosmic conspiracy
Jan 27 16:08:06 <av500> maybe even, HE is involved
Jan 27 16:10:36 <mru> etheretic1: you are committing a logical fallacy known as "appeal to consequences of a belief"
Jan 27 16:11:40 <Mojito> Just because we don't know (yet) what "dark energy" is does not mean there is not some physical law that governs it.
Jan 27 16:12:11 <mru> there are almost certainly physical laws we have yet to discover
Jan 27 16:12:23 <etheretic1> mru: i'm stating a fact. as for astrophysics - how o earth do you get magnetic field without an electric current?
Jan 27 16:12:49 <av500> who says there is no current?
Jan 27 16:12:51 <mru> but they are extremely unlikely to contradict the well-established ones in the domains these have been tested
Jan 27 16:13:38 <Mojito> The needle in a compass does not seem to have a 'current' running in it, yet it has a magnetic field
Jan 27 16:13:57 <mru> it doesn't have a macroscopic current
Jan 27 16:14:10 <etheretic1> "dark matter/energy" is a mathematical fudge factor of huge proportions to save the Newtonian/gravity model.
Jan 27 16:15:28 <mru> newtonian physics works perfectly at macroscopic scales at "normal" energy levels
Jan 27 16:15:47 <mru> at extreme energies you need to take relativity into account
Jan 27 16:16:03 <etheretic1> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374 (doubt you bother to see through it)
Jan 27 16:16:09 <mru> and at atomic scale quantum effects show up
Jan 27 16:16:26 <etheretic1> so you've been told.
Jan 27 16:16:46 <mru> I have observed it myself
Jan 27 16:19:32 <etheretic1> an observation relies on interpretations with underlying assumptions (axioms). if those are wrong, most often anomalies are ignored or explained away. example: x-rays from comet tails. cause?
Jan 27 16:21:06 <mru> so you don't believe in, say, gravity?
Jan 27 16:21:14 <etheretic1> the above video buries orthodox cosmology, proves that plasma/electricity is the primary/formative/energizing force in the physical universe.
Jan 27 16:21:16 <mru> or newtonian physics in general
Jan 27 16:21:23 <av500> "proves"
Jan 27 16:21:31 <mru> have you ever flown in an airplane?
Jan 27 16:21:35 <av500> "as proved on utube"
Jan 27 16:21:50 <mru> av500: and it's not even youtube
Jan 27 16:22:07 <etheretic1> what is gravity, apart from a force 10^39 times weaker than the electro-magnetic force?
Jan 27 16:22:10 <av500> then I dont believe it
Jan 27 16:22:39 <mru> "the electro-magnetic force"?
Jan 27 16:23:05 <etheretic1> you know and i know that ortho physics is totally disjointed.
Jan 27 16:23:56 <mru> airplanes are designed based entirely on newtonian physics
Jan 27 16:24:06 <etheretic1> yes. electric currents create, and are shaped by, magnetic fields. basic plasma physics.
Jan 27 16:24:08 <av500> and reverse ergonomics
Jan 27 16:24:08 <mru> how do you suppose they fly if that physics is flawed?
Jan 27 16:24:13 <av500> at least economy class
Jan 27 16:24:26 <mru> av500: does that generate lift?
Jan 27 16:24:35 <av500> mru: maybe all the hate?
Jan 27 16:25:10 <mru> ah, angry, hating people heat up the air, thus providing some lift
Jan 27 16:25:16 <av500> mru: so thats the reason that business is so expensive, does not generate enough hate....
Jan 27 16:25:55 <av500> it makes sense, its alway too cold in planes since the use the angry hot air to drive the turbines
Jan 27 16:44:40 <jno> would anybody point me to where the PINMUX settings are in the kernel tree? Or a tutorial that explains how do change the PINMUX settings in the Kernel?
Jan 27 17:18:41 <DJW|Home> av500: DJW|Home: wtf, pandora will go into production? << That is the ones with boards populated in Germany not US. There has been a few 1,000 units shipped with the old US manufacturing arrangement but I lost track/will to care ;).
Jan 27 17:20:38 <mru> people still talk about the pandora?
Jan 27 17:21:01 <mru> or is it the pandodo now?
Jan 27 17:21:14 <mdp> it's only permitted to speak of RPi right now
Jan 27 17:21:41 <DJW|Home> mru: no idea, it's a handy OMAP dev platform for me ;) - With a lot of others ones.
Jan 27 17:21:43 <mru> right, there's a new vapourboard
Jan 27 17:22:03 <mdp> mru, apparently you missed the last meeting where the talking points memo was distributed
Jan 27 17:22:10 <thurbad> the raspberry?
Jan 27 17:22:12 <mru> DJW|Home: nothing wrong with the beagle as dev platform
Jan 27 17:22:32 <DJW|Home> mru: I know, I have more OP's ;)
Jan 27 17:23:12 <jno> has anybody been able to get the user-button working on beagleboardxm revC? I haven't been able to get any inputs working for that matter.
Jan 27 17:24:29 <jno> running Ubuntu Oneiric btw
Jan 27 17:48:58 <jno> Does anybody know where I enable CONFIG_OMAP_MUX?
Jan 27 17:49:55 <prpplague> in your kernel config
Jan 27 17:50:26 <jno> ok, it pops a gui-like interface in the command line? Where in there is it set? I can't find it
Jan 27 17:50:58 <prpplague> jno: press the / key and enter omap_mux 
Jan 27 17:54:28 <jno> found it, thanks. Defaulted to YES so I have a different GPIO problem...
Jan 27 17:55:58 <prpplague> jno: well just because omap_mux is set doesn't mean you have the correct pin mux setting...
Jan 27 18:44:40 <aholler> hmm, freuday
Jan 27 18:47:35 <emeb> why are people so excited about RPi?
Jan 27 18:47:51 <aholler> $25
Jan 27 18:48:10 <aholler> and no one tried to used it until now ;)
Jan 27 18:48:13 <emeb> I await concrete results showing that price point is sustainable.
Jan 27 18:48:26 <thurbad> heh
Jan 27 18:49:01 <emeb> but yeah - vapourware always performs better than hardware.
Jan 27 18:49:43 <jay6981> is there any tech docs for their GPU? it sounds proprietary
Jan 27 18:51:09 <_av500_> they all are
Jan 27 18:51:18 <emeb> I've heard various (horror) stories about trying to get dox from Broadcom.
Jan 27 18:53:05 <aholler> what is interesting is that the gpu-sw is actually the bootloader
Jan 27 18:53:22 <emeb> exsqueeze me?
Jan 27 18:53:40 <Tartarus> RPi does exist, saw 'em at SCaLE
Jan 27 18:54:06 <aholler> emeb: the gpu loads the firmware and starts the arm
Jan 27 18:54:20 <emeb> aholler: truth is stranger than fiction.
Jan 27 18:54:26 <emeb> fiction has to make sense.
Jan 27 18:54:27 <aholler> at least that is what I've read yesterday
Jan 27 18:54:29 <thurbad> I don't think the question is do they exist so much as can they maintain a $25 price point
Jan 27 18:54:39 <emeb> 'zactly
Jan 27 18:55:03 <aholler> emeb: might make sense, if the gpu has it's own ram where the first blob is loaded into
Jan 27 18:56:01 <emeb> aholler: but still - that the GPU has access to the peripherals like flash/SD is... out there.
Jan 27 18:56:38 <jay6981> aholler: yeah, that's actually what I was wondering about. are we going to be able to make it load our own sofware?
Jan 27 18:59:43 <aholler> whos else sw shoudl run there?
Jan 27 19:01:52 <ds2> it is a ARM11
Jan 27 19:02:02 <aholler> maybe the rpi is drm'ed and you have to pay a fee to get a signature for your kernel ;)
Jan 27 19:02:17 <aholler> that would explain the price ;)
Jan 27 19:02:49 <SilicaGel> I'm not so excited about that $25 board.  And you woudlnt' want the $25 one.  The most you'd want is the $35 one.
Jan 27 19:02:52 <ds2> you can get CortexA8's for as little as $5 a piece in quantities
Jan 27 19:03:14 <ds2> so $25 for an assembled ARM11 just isn't that interesting
Jan 27 19:04:11 <jay6981> i figure there's some DRM and it will only boot something signed
Jan 27 19:05:31 <aholler> anyway, I don't care
Jan 27 19:05:36 <thurbad> what version of the kernel is in the latest angstrom setup script repo? if anyone happens to know
Jan 27 19:06:22 <jay6981> why do you talk about it then?
Jan 27 19:07:23 <aholler> I'm learned from the politicans
Jan 27 19:07:41 <aholler> s/'m/'ve/
Jan 27 19:08:18 <SilicaGel> also: I don't know if you guys have done much work with OpenWRT, but the Broadcom based units had MANY problems with lack of any help whatsoever from bcom (including documentation) ... a lot of the concern/resentment over them stems from those attempts, to do open source type stuff on bcom hardware
Jan 27 19:08:22 <SilicaGel> bcom are kind of dicks
Jan 27 19:08:42 <SilicaGel> Back in the 1990s I dialed into one of their quarterly meetings
Jan 27 19:08:51 <SilicaGel> the CEO said, quote, "If in ten years we're not bigger than Cisco, we really F***ED UP"
Jan 27 19:09:07 <SilicaGel> The dude dropped an F-bomb on an investor conference call
Jan 27 19:09:11 <jay6981> weren't they the ones that got busted for having big coke parties?
Jan 27 19:09:18 <SilicaGel> Were they?????
Jan 27 19:10:11 <jay6981> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/16/broadcom_ceo_charges/
Jan 27 19:10:34 * emeb liked the stories about the "sex dungeon" under his house.
Jan 27 19:10:57 <emeb> (the ceos, not emeb's!)
Jan 27 19:12:18 <ds2> heheh
Jan 27 19:12:25 <ds2> so THAT is what happens in the desert
Jan 27 19:13:25 <emeb> what happens in PHX...
Jan 27 19:14:05 <aholler> never seen hamsters? ;)
Jan 27 19:14:58 <emeb> http://www.hampsterdance.com/classics/originaldance.htm
Jan 27 19:15:45 <SilicaGel> jay6981: it sounds like he got off
Jan 27 19:15:49 <SilicaGel> jay6981:  ... I mean, legally
Jan 27 19:15:57 <jay6981> i guess just allegations
Jan 27 19:18:05 * emeb eyerolls
Jan 27 19:18:35 <jay6981> the scummy reputation seems justified
Jan 27 19:21:38 <djlewis> reply to old.. didnt display technology begin with charcoal on stone?
Jan 27 19:22:27 <emeb> finger in sand?
Jan 27 19:23:11 <ds2> circles in the sand
Jan 27 19:23:53 <emeb> Belinda Carlisle?
Jan 27 19:24:53 <djlewis> i see she had good display tech at one time but i dunno....
Jan 27 19:28:13 <SilicaGel> don't even talk to me about fingers in places today
Jan 27 19:28:53 <SilicaGel> I was kind of underwhelmed by that RPI thing or whatever the hell it is.
Jan 27 19:30:29 <koen> aholler: FWIW on hawkboard the DSP boots the ARM
Jan 27 19:30:43 <SilicaGel> That's neat.
Jan 27 19:31:09 <SilicaGel> I have one of those friendlyarm mini2440s do you know what that is?
Jan 27 19:31:30 <SilicaGel> it boots to NOR, which boots to NAND (into which you can put u-boot) which boots to linux.
Jan 27 19:31:44 <SilicaGel> It'd be nice if they could get three or four additional bootloaders chained in there somewhere.
Jan 27 19:32:19 <SilicaGel> then again, bone is cpu -> mlo -> uboot -> linux so maybe what the mini2440 is doing isn't really all that awful.
Jan 27 19:32:43 <_av500_> add boot from usb and tickertape
Jan 27 19:32:55 <koen> SilicaGel: mini2440 is an s3c2440
Jan 27 19:32:58 <koen> SilicaGel: arm920t
Jan 27 19:33:12 <SilicaGel> yeah
Jan 27 19:33:12 <SilicaGel> ARM920T
Jan 27 19:33:12 <SilicaGel> it's kind of poo
Jan 27 19:33:16 <ds2> 2440's are armv4 arm9's
Jan 27 19:33:22 <SilicaGel> WHAT
Jan 27 19:33:31 <SilicaGel> I didn't know that, I thought all arm9 were armv5
Jan 27 19:33:32 <_av500_> in fact, with 8dip switch on GPMC and /WAIT asserted on should be able to key in boot code by hand
Jan 27 19:33:39 <ds2> arm9s are both armv5 and armv4 depending on which one
Jan 27 19:33:53 * SilicaGel did not know this
Jan 27 19:34:04 <koen> armv4t
Jan 27 19:34:15 <SilicaGel> the lack of hardware floating point makes the thing a whole lot less useful to me, anyway
Jan 27 19:34:21 <SilicaGel> I mostly play minesweeper on  it
Jan 27 19:34:24 <SilicaGel> sad but not a joke
Jan 27 19:34:26 <ds2> so koen is giving us the thumb...
Jan 27 19:35:51 * emeb built an I/O board for the mini2440. 
Jan 27 19:36:06 * _av500_ ignored the mini2440
Jan 27 19:36:08 <emeb> speed suffers due to no DMA on the SPI port though.
Jan 27 19:36:33 <koen> just like the bone
Jan 27 19:36:51 * koen hides before he makes even more fun of the driver "support" delivered by TI
Jan 27 19:36:59 <ds2> heheh
Jan 27 19:37:01 <SilicaGel> if i had an app I cared about this is somethign I'd attack with the PRU
Jan 27 19:37:13 <ds2> koen: aren't YOU the driver support ;)
Jan 27 19:37:23 <_av500_> koen: singly byte buffered SPI DMA rings a bell
Jan 27 19:37:31 <emeb> "If you need any support, you know where to go"
Jan 27 19:37:39 <_av500_> i think davinci suffered from that
Jan 27 19:37:45 <koen> ds2: for the bone, sadly, yes
Jan 27 19:38:01 <_av500_> modprobe koen.ko
Jan 27 19:38:10 <aholler> doesn't work
Jan 27 19:38:16 <aholler> thats insmod syntax
Jan 27 19:38:21 <ds2> koen: I should be able to help out post ELC
Jan 27 19:38:32 <ds2> got to get a board made first ;)
Jan 27 19:39:21 <aholler> the next funny thing will be the omap5 with his n cpu's ;)
Jan 27 19:39:33 <emeb> and no DMA...
Jan 27 19:39:56 <aholler> devs lost inbetween booting various cpus ;)
Jan 27 19:40:16 <koen> _av500_: big endian, en.ko
Jan 27 19:40:46 <_av500_> aholler: omap5 has as many cpus as omap4
Jan 27 19:40:50 <_av500_> arm wise
Jan 27 19:41:04 <_av500_> aholler: ti spins it as a quadcore
Jan 27 19:41:19 <aholler> aren't there some other cpus too?
Jan 27 19:41:27 <_av500_> 2x a15
Jan 27 19:41:30 <_av500_> 2x m4
Jan 27 19:41:38 <_av500_> omap4: 2x a9, 2x m3
Jan 27 19:41:42 <_av500_> you do the math
Jan 27 19:41:44 <aholler> ah, ok
Jan 27 19:42:22 <aholler> counting bits as bytes
Jan 27 19:43:48 <_av500_> its not like they will run linux on one m4 and sleep the rest
Jan 27 19:45:03 <aholler> why has the a15 a 15 if it's next to a9?
Jan 27 19:45:58 * aholler is lost inbetween arms numberings
Jan 27 19:46:02 <_av500_> ask ti
Jan 27 19:46:06 <_av500_> or rather arm
Jan 27 19:46:27 <_av500_> or their worldly representative here
Jan 27 19:46:31 <ds2> Oh no... the PentaCore will bet it quadcores
Jan 27 19:46:31 <_av500_> aka mru 
Jan 27 19:46:32 <aholler> I never understood whe armv5 is an arm9 ;)
Jan 27 19:46:33 <ds2> ;)
Jan 27 19:49:14 <SilicaGel> aholler: they did it to confuse us
Jan 27 19:49:23 <SilicaGel> they broke it twon umbers, "core" and "family"
Jan 27 19:49:28 <koen> it gets more fun with the eagle/kingfisher combo
Jan 27 19:49:30 <SilicaGel> then they designed them to overlap in unnerving ways
Jan 27 19:49:32 <koen> a15 + a5
Jan 27 19:49:41 <SilicaGel> like an arm9 is apparently an armv5, unless it's an armv4
Jan 27 19:49:49 <SilicaGel> and an arm11 is an armv6
Jan 27 19:49:56 <SilicaGel> but an A8 or A9 is an armv7
Jan 27 19:50:01 <koen> SilicaGel: it's instruction set vs architecture
Jan 27 19:50:04 <SilicaGel> I know
Jan 27 19:50:11 <SilicaGel> I mean
Jan 27 19:50:12 <SilicaGel> oh 
Jan 27 19:50:14 <aholler> but I have to admit that intels cpu-"names" are actually more confusing
Jan 27 19:50:19 <SilicaGel> yeah, you say it better
Jan 27 19:50:22 <ds2> Xscale is ARMv5 (just to add to the mix)
Jan 27 19:50:24 <koen> arm7 can be armv5te as well
Jan 27 19:50:24 <ds2> ;)
Jan 27 19:50:28 <aholler> there you can't even bet that higher numbers are newer
Jan 27 19:50:33 <SilicaGel> yeah i agree on THAT too but that's beacuse of friggin lawsuits that said intel can't patent numbers any more
Jan 27 19:51:08 <ds2> cortex is fun... some cortex can't even run ARM instructions
Jan 27 19:51:10 <ds2> ;)
Jan 27 19:52:42 <koen> prpplague: I'm starting to warm up to http://www.rndrumreviews.com/RnDRumReviews/Pyrat_XO.html
Jan 27 19:53:03 <SilicaGel> I don't like the name
Jan 27 19:53:11 <SilicaGel> it sounds like the town that chernobyl made uninhabitable.
Jan 27 19:53:59 <jay6981> pripyat
Jan 27 19:54:54 <SilicaGel> exactly
Jan 27 19:55:13 <djlewis> mmMMmm sounds good.
Jan 27 19:56:46 * aholler now installs u-boot on his n900 ;)
Jan 27 20:09:02 <aholler> av500: btw, I'm taking ic 2312 and ice 14 on friday
Jan 27 20:10:01 <aholler> eta 17:35 in brussel
Jan 27 21:21:55 <SilicaGel> if I start blathering on about PRU programming, would anybody here care?
Jan 27 21:22:46 <jay6981> i would
Jan 27 21:23:00 <SilicaGel> I'm looking at the CAN demonstration:  https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/pru_sw/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fkernel_loader%2Fcan%2Ffirmware%2FPRU_CAN_Emulation_Tx.p&view=markup
Jan 27 21:23:11 <jay6981> in a "gee whiz" kinda way, at least :)
Jan 27 21:23:13 <SilicaGel> specifically, i'm looking at how they do timers. 
Jan 27 21:23:42 <SilicaGel> There's a timer event that gets fired into this thing, and there's a label TIMER_EVENT_WAIT that waits for this event to fire
Jan 27 21:24:02 <SilicaGel> i'm just wondering about doing it a different way
Jan 27 21:24:21 <SilicaGel> What I'm thinking is to just have the PRU directly observe the timer
Jan 27 21:24:55 <SilicaGel> The timers in the sitara must be lik etimers in any other microcontroller, with a flag that says the timer tripped, and a way to clear that flag
Jan 27 21:25:13 <SilicaGel> so I'm wondernig: why do I need events at all, why can't I just have the PRU directly access the timer registers?
Jan 27 21:25:23 <SilicaGel> Since "events" with the PRU ultimately involve polling anyway
Jan 27 21:25:32 <jay6981> no interrupts?
Jan 27 21:25:42 <SilicaGel> HMM
Jan 27 21:25:56 <SilicaGel> but does the PRU *really* have interrupts?  I don't think it does
Jan 27 21:26:07 <jay6981> i am not familiar with it
Jan 27 21:26:27 <SilicaGel> My maybe narrow minded view of what it does is that an "interrupt" sets a flag in one of the PRU registers, and the PRU code you write has to poll for that flag 
Jan 27 21:27:35 <SilicaGel>     QBBS   	 	TIMER_EVENT_HANDLER, r31, #30
Jan 27 21:27:35 <SilicaGel>     JMP    	 	TIMER_EVENT_WAIT_LOOP
Jan 27 21:27:41 <SilicaGel> that basically polls for the bit to be set
Jan 27 21:27:50 <SilicaGel>     MOV32     	r0, (0x00000000 | TIMER_SYS_EVT)
Jan 27 21:27:58 <SilicaGel> that says: once the event happens, clear it
Jan 27 21:28:00 <SilicaGel> ya?
Jan 27 21:28:04 <jay6981> yeah, looks that way
Jan 27 21:28:12 <SilicaGel> I don't totally know pru assembly yet but that's kind of what I figure is going on
Jan 27 21:28:44 <SilicaGel> #define TIMER_SYS_EVT         18    // T64P0_TINT12_SYS_EVT
Jan 27 21:29:52 <SilicaGel> oh
Jan 27 21:29:55 <SilicaGel> hrm
Jan 27 21:30:22 <SilicaGel> in that same code they do actually seem to reload the timer
Jan 27 21:30:46 <SilicaGel> (maybe)
Jan 27 21:31:15 <SilicaGel> you know, maybe the best thing is I shut the hell up until I learn PRU assembly, which i can make good steps toward by taking this listing and the assembly reference side by side
Jan 27 21:31:39 <jay6981> at least lookup the qbbs instruction :)
Jan 27 21:32:45 <SilicaGel> Quick Branch if Bit Set!
Jan 27 21:33:29 <SilicaGel> so those two lines are "wait for this bit to be set"
Jan 27 21:33:35 <emeb> Branch on Burned Out Indicator!
Jan 27 21:33:50 <SilicaGel> you made that up, I hope
Jan 27 21:34:12 <SilicaGel> though my favorite instruction of all time is from the PowerPC instruction set: enforce in-order execution of I/O ... the instruction is  EIEIO
Jan 27 21:34:13 <emeb> not me - it's an old joke.
Jan 27 21:34:16 <SilicaGel> I call it old mcdonald
Jan 27 21:34:46 <emeb> http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~bcd/humor/instruction.set.html
Jan 27 21:35:45 <SilicaGel> The SBBO instruction is used to write a block of data from the register file into memory.    Store Byte Burst.
Jan 27 21:35:47 <SilicaGel> yuck.
Jan 27 21:37:18 <mdp> yeah, that's a special one
Jan 27 21:38:13 <SilicaGel> this is pretty awful.   sbbo     r2, r1, 5, 8 and   sbbo     &r2, r1, 5, 8  have the exact same comment in the examples.
Jan 27 21:38:13 <SilicaGel> Leaving me with no clue what the & does.
Jan 27 21:38:51 <jay6981> alias?
Jan 27 21:40:07 <snowrichard> running pidgin over ssh
Jan 27 21:40:16 <SilicaGel> when writing the expression as ’*&R1’, the size of the move is determined by the instruction, as opposed to when writing ’R1’, where the size of the move is determined by the register field.
Jan 27 22:07:42 <djlewis> interestingly BB googlegroups summary sometimes hits my spam filter.
Jan 27 23:17:27 <ds2> it is a comment on the contents of the list? :D
Jan 27 23:19:14 <_av500_> which one?
Jan 27 23:19:28 <_av500_> the beagle only, the bone only, or the combined one? or the forum?
Jan 27 23:19:55 <ds2> =)
Jan 27 23:21:14 <emeb> do you have something without so much spam in it?
Jan 27 23:22:14 <_av500_> yes, hawkboard-announce
Jan 27 23:22:31 <emeb> doesn't have much of _anything_ in it.
Jan 27 23:35:37 <ds2> people that complain there is too much traffic on the beagle list needs to be subscribed to LKML
Jan 27 23:37:13 <emeb> get some perspective
Jan 27 23:37:40 <emeb> and a good mail filter...
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