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Jan 28 03:44:10 <mranostay> heh a M68K talk at ELC?
Jan 28 03:44:40 <mranostay> what possibly can be 'new' with that platform?
Jan 28 03:46:57 <aholler> a working kernel? ;)
Jan 28 03:53:49 <mranostay> aholler: ok touche :)
Jan 28 03:54:13 <mranostay> aholler: going to ELC?
Jan 28 03:54:57 <aholler> no
Jan 28 03:57:58 <aholler> no sponsor and I'm unsure if I would want travel to the US ;)
Jan 28 03:59:12 <mranostay> aholler: oh we don't bite
Jan 28 03:59:30 <aholler> so says you
Jan 28 03:59:32 <mranostay> now TSA may be a little touchy feel-ly
Jan 28 04:00:05 <mranostay> now i wouldn't visit the place i live at for the next 3 days :)
Jan 28 04:00:25 <mranostay> <-- moving to the Bay Area finally
Jan 28 04:02:19 <aholler> besides that, i think I would need a visa because I'm a happy owner of a passport without electronic (no fingerprints)
Jan 28 04:03:06 <jay6981> mranostay: welcome
Jan 28 04:05:49 <mranostay> jay6981: thanks
Jan 28 04:06:30 <jay6981> where from?
Jan 28 04:10:00 <mranostay> well this last year AL (don't ask why :)), and other 20 odd in Ohio
Jan 28 04:11:33 <jay6981> that's going to be interesting :)
Jan 28 04:12:38 <mranostay> jay6981: also learned don't move to AL .... :)
Jan 28 04:14:02 <jay6981> i've never been to the american south
Jan 28 04:15:55 <mranostay> don't get wrong there are some cool people here. but it is still the South
Jan 28 04:16:18 <jay6981> i grew up in LA
Jan 28 04:16:25 <jay6981> people used to be more friendly here
Jan 28 04:17:49 <mranostay> jay6981: in LA or CA you mean?
Jan 28 04:18:50 <jay6981> i meant los angeles… sorry about the ambiguity
Jan 28 04:19:05 <mranostay> heh 
Jan 28 06:09:41 <aholler> omg, poettering is active again: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge
Jan 28 06:10:56 <aholler> reading the part with Myths and Facts, I wonder in which reality he lives
Jan 28 06:12:19 <aholler> must be different than mine, at least in regard to his "Facts"
Jan 28 06:53:37 <koen> aholler: it's not even lennart
Jan 28 06:53:50 <koen> aholler: it's harald and kay
Jan 28 07:08:20 * Russ reads rusty russell's kp post
Jan 28 07:34:09 <koen> Russ: http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=236 ?
Jan 28 07:34:17 <Russ> yup
Jan 28 07:34:31 <Russ> I read it expecting a serious post, and then got to the "anit" side
Jan 28 07:34:38 <Russ> er, "anti"
Jan 28 08:30:23 <_av500_> i wish instead of boot times or how folders are names somebody would start solving why a one year old linux install is "obsolete"
Jan 28 08:49:46 <jlopychoui> hi all
Jan 28 08:50:07 <jlopychoui> is there  any body r not
Jan 28 09:17:48 <_av500_> no
Jan 28 09:33:30 <Cookies> okay so...narcissus with xfce or gnome simple build on BBXM throws me a login incorrect when i'm using "root"
Jan 28 09:34:14 <Cookies> I can get in if i use a narcissus build with console only, googling it doesn't seem to help much regarding this
Jan 28 10:16:00 <aholler> av500: use debian for such
Jan 28 10:25:47 <aholler> koen: but the article is from poettering and I'm ranting about those "facts", not the merge itself.
Jan 28 10:26:46 <aholler> at least the bottom says he has touched that last
Jan 28 10:28:25 <aholler> the article at fedora doesn't have such stupid polemics
Jan 28 11:37:07 <etheretic1> what are the differences and similarities between the beagleboard/pandaboard?
Jan 28 11:41:16 <koen> both can be used as a paperweight
Jan 28 11:41:19 <koen> both obey gravity
Jan 28 11:41:23 <koen> both can be googled
Jan 28 11:51:12 <etheretic1> i have. this is last resort.
Jan 28 11:51:37 <mru> neither can run on sea water
Jan 28 11:56:06 <LetoThe2nd> mru: i really don't care who your daddy is, as long i'm fishing here, nobody's gonna walk on the water!!
Jan 28 12:52:40 <etheretic1> mru> salt water has galvanic properties. using two different conducting metals yields a current (hence zinc anodes on boats). Mr. Le Floch has obviously stumbled upon a Columbus Egg. http://tinyurl.com/7q6lncd
Jan 28 12:53:36 <mru> yes, it's the principle in an ordinary battery as well
Jan 28 12:53:41 <mru> batteries eventually run out
Jan 28 12:53:57 <mru> when the electrodes are consumed
Jan 28 12:54:07 <etheretic1> except for mr. hutchison's.
Jan 28 12:54:18 <mru> it's basic chemistry
Jan 28 12:54:28 <mru> but I guess you don't believe in that either
Jan 28 12:54:40 <etheretic1> right.
Jan 28 12:54:49 <mru> so what _do_ you believe in?
Jan 28 12:55:14 <mru> any crackpot on the internet who disagrees with established science?
Jan 28 12:55:28 <mru> perhaps you find timecube.com insightful
Jan 28 12:55:40 <etheretic1> where does physics end, and chemistry begin? i believe the "cold fusion"/lenr brouhaha illustrates the confusion in the field.
Jan 28 12:56:02 <etheretic1> crackpot...
Jan 28 12:56:09 * etheretic1 tsks
Jan 28 12:56:11 <mru> chemistry is physics at a molecular level
Jan 28 12:56:28 <etheretic1> electron interactin.
Jan 28 12:56:42 <etheretic1> einteraction.
Jan 28 12:56:46 <etheretic1> erk
Jan 28 12:57:59 <_av500_> e
Jan 28 12:58:04 <_av500_> .
Jan 28 12:58:10 <etheretic1> mru: you appear to suffer from "pathological sceptisism", very well described @ http://amasci.com/pathsk2.txt
Jan 28 12:59:36 <mru> I can assure you I am not suffering
Jan 28 12:59:45 <mru> I'm quite enjoying myself, actually
Jan 28 12:59:54 <etheretic1> an affliction 99% of "mainstream scientists" are suffering from, apparently.
Jan 28 13:02:33 <etheretic1> orthodox science is a cul-de-sac (dead end). it's so full of falsified dogma, it's irreformable.
Jan 28 13:02:51 <mru> lol
Jan 28 13:05:00 <etheretic1> did you actually READ the above article?
Jan 28 13:05:28 <mru> did you ever READ a book about physics?
Jan 28 13:05:45 <etheretic1> 1. Belief that theories determine phenomena, rather than the reverse.
Jan 28 13:05:49 <_av500_> people READ?
Jan 28 13:06:02 <mru> I do not believe that
Jan 28 13:06:13 <mru> nor does any scientist
Jan 28 13:06:37 <mru> don't get me wrong, I have no doubt your version of physics would be more fun
Jan 28 13:06:45 <mru> it just happens to not be real
Jan 28 13:07:05 <mru> just like the tooth fairy and santa claus are not real
Jan 28 13:07:06 <etheretic1> 5.  Adopting a prejudiced stance against a theory or an observed phenomena without first investigating the details, then using this as justification for refusing to investigate the details.
Jan 28 13:07:26 <etheretic1> clown.
Jan 28 13:07:37 <mru> clowns can be fun too
Jan 28 13:08:07 <mru> I'd love to investigate, or better yet, have a proper physicist investigate, but mr rossi won't allow it
Jan 28 13:09:02 <etheretic1> have you contacted him?
Jan 28 13:09:12 <mru> no, but scientists have
Jan 28 13:11:14 <etheretic1> you mean like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8eIhth8Iw8 ?
Jan 28 13:12:46 <etheretic1> Brian Josephson may be disqualified in your book (although being a nobel laureate) since he's interested in "metaphysics".
Jan 28 13:13:28 <mru> now you're committing the fallacy of appeal to authority
Jan 28 13:14:22 <etheretic1> 2. Erecting barriers against new ideas by constantly altering the requirements for acceptance.  (A practice called "moving the goalposts.") 
Jan 28 13:14:42 <mru> where did I do that?
Jan 28 13:15:19 <etheretic1> (14:13:28)
Jan 28 13:15:36 <mru> wtf
Jan 28 13:15:46 <mru> even nobel prize winners can be wrong
Jan 28 13:16:55 <etheretic1> oh yes indeed. agreed.
Jan 28 13:17:41 <mru> besides, for every nobel prize winner you present who backs this stuff, I can find you two who don't
Jan 28 13:18:39 <etheretic1> just don't think that "the laws of physics" are written in stone, or are able to survive new knowledge. can't explain "counciousness", for one thing.
Jan 28 13:23:03 <aholler> someone must have left food in the channel
Jan 28 13:24:12 <etheretic1> aholler: i just sprayed a solid dose troll-repellant in here - we should be safe. :D
Jan 28 13:28:59 <mru> etheretic1: didn't work, you're still here
Jan 28 13:30:09 <vsr> offtopic question here: does the value of interface clock matter?
Jan 28 13:30:22 <etheretic1> mru: so - either i'm not a troll or i'm immune. pick your poison.
Jan 28 13:30:34 <mru> vsr: please provide some context
Jan 28 13:31:00 <mru> etheretic1: or it wasn't scientifically proven troll-repellant
Jan 28 13:35:56 <_av500_> there is a very simple proof that mr rossis cold fusion does not work - he is still alive
Jan 28 13:36:32 <mru> yeah, if it really worked, the energy mafia would have assassinated him long ago
Jan 28 13:36:36 <etheretic1> _av500_: we never met. this conversation never took place.
Jan 28 13:36:57 <_av500_> etheretic1: dont worry, you are safe too
Jan 28 13:37:06 <etheretic1> )
Jan 28 13:39:07 <etheretic1> and here i was, just wondering if the bb may be the perfect "engine" in an open-source navigation system...
Jan 28 13:40:25 * etheretic1 ponders getting drunk as a skunk tonight
Jan 28 13:40:50 <etheretic1> three sheets to the wind.
Jan 28 13:40:55 <mru> that's probably a good idea
Jan 28 13:40:57 <mru> for you
Jan 28 13:41:18 <aholler> get a mobile with usb, attach a serial and go on. much easier than trying to use a bb without knowing the nedded basics
Jan 28 13:41:20 * _av500_ is reminded to put beer in the fridge
Jan 28 13:41:22 <etheretic1> singing out-of-season xmas songs...
Jan 28 13:43:46 <_av500_> done
Jan 28 13:44:54 * mru checks fridge, finds hobgoblin, black sheep, and some brewdog stuff :)
Jan 28 13:45:26 <etheretic1> how would one go about adding a rs422 port to the bb? is it doable if well paid?
Jan 28 13:45:55 <etheretic1> (for nmea connectivity)
Jan 28 13:46:31 <mru> add two rs232 ports and subtract 42
Jan 28 13:46:49 <aholler> http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=75&products_id=197&zenid=34119ac09de143ba04e5314d7f9607d0
Jan 28 13:47:13 <etheretic1> mru: tried http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/weltenburger-kloster-asam-bock/4025/ ?
Jan 28 13:47:42 <mru> don't think so
Jan 28 13:47:50 <mru> does it make you gullible?
Jan 28 13:48:26 <etheretic1> aholler: i know about that option - i'm thinking on-board, not dongle.
Jan 28 13:49:32 <etheretic1> mru: no - just means you have an experience to look forward to (asam bock is MEGOR!) :)
Jan 28 13:49:36 <aholler> define onboard
Jan 28 13:50:02 <etheretic1> like the usb ports, etc.
Jan 28 13:50:20 <etheretic1> integral to the bb itself.
Jan 28 13:51:38 <vsr> sorry, i got disconnected. 
Jan 28 13:51:52 <vsr> mru: i am porting a gpmc based ethernet driver, i see that on one which works, the gpmc_ick value is different from one it doesnt work. just wondering if that would matter
Jan 28 13:52:08 <mru> and what are the values?
Jan 28 13:52:23 <aholler> etheretic1: so you want to build a new board.
Jan 28 13:52:26 <etheretic1> aholler: i.e. add a CP2102 chip w. connector to the board.
Jan 28 13:52:47 <etheretic1> aholler: it'd have to be modified, yes.
Jan 28 13:52:57 <etheretic1> customised.
Jan 28 13:53:45 <vsr> working one is: 98304000 and non working one is 200000000
Jan 28 13:54:07 <vsr> this is on a omap4 board
Jan 28 14:00:37 <etheretic1> aholler: to the user it'd be an NMEA port for plugging in radar /echo sounder / engine sensors etc. 
Jan 28 14:01:57 <aholler> you've said that at least 10 times in the last days
Jan 28 14:03:08 <etheretic1> so it may begin to sink in... :D i need particulars; if, how, who, when, how much, etc.
Jan 28 14:09:14 <etheretic1> 1: is it expedient to a) use the bb as a starting point, or b) would it be best to make a board from scratch? I think a).
Jan 28 14:10:54 <aholler> don't talk in circles, if you want it on-board, you can't use a bb. if you want a starting point, use such an usb-dongle
Jan 28 14:11:58 <aholler> and if you have a prototype, you can ask around about the costs to build something real
Jan 28 14:13:32 <etheretic1> i.e. b)?
Jan 28 14:15:26 <aholler> sorry, food is empty
Jan 28 14:20:36 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 28 14:27:32 <etheretic1> snowrichard: ahoy.
Jan 28 14:47:30 <snowrichard> hi
Jan 28 14:47:35 <snowrichard> was getting a bath
Jan 28 14:55:38 <aholler> hmm, looks like kde on tablets is near: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html
Jan 28 15:14:49 <etheretic1> aholler: the spark looks very much like what i'm thinking of as to form factor, down to the 7" touchscreen.
Jan 28 15:36:28 <etheretic1> looks like it'd short-circuit if drenched by a wave, 'tho. not much Ip67-ness.
Jan 28 15:37:31 <etheretic1> http://bbcarputer.codeplex.com/ is interesting.
Jan 28 15:42:18 <snowrichard> :-*
Jan 28 15:59:45 <etheretic1> a snowjob.
Jan 28 17:28:54 <etheretic1> general observation: what's needed now is a convergence of "open source" sw/hw designers (nerds), maverick industrial designers, free factory capacity, and unwashed heathen users. 
Jan 28 17:32:48 <emeb> "free factory capacity" - interesting idea. Kinda like "spare money".
Jan 28 17:33:49 <mru> etheretic1: should be easy with that free energy you're promising
Jan 28 17:36:12 <etheretic1> mru: precisely. the mentality is the same. :)
Jan 28 17:36:59 <etheretic1> emeb> think "robotics".
Jan 28 17:39:19 <mru> and unicorns are real
Jan 28 17:39:32 <etheretic1> the primary role of school/academia is to remove the ability of people to question"authority" and think for themselves. they've been pretty successful. 
Jan 28 17:40:16 <etheretic1> unicorn?
Jan 28 17:40:25 <mru> I don't know what schools you've been to
Jan 28 17:40:42 <emeb> the wrong ones?
Jan 28 17:40:42 <etheretic1> brainwashing mahine.
Jan 28 17:40:59 <emeb> schools I went to encouraged thought/exploration.
Jan 28 17:41:16 <emeb> and if your school doesn't, do it on your own time.
Jan 28 17:41:23 <mru> as did mine
Jan 28 17:41:47 <mru> they also taught us to question wild claims like free energy
Jan 28 17:41:54 <emeb> heh
Jan 28 17:41:55 <mru> and demand scientific evidence
Jan 28 17:42:26 <emeb> the mind is a wonderful force against entropy - gather info/energy & rise above your environment.
Jan 28 17:42:32 <etheretic1> i make a distinction between "stupid" and "ignorant". the latter doesn't know; the former doesn't know and doesn't want to know (ignoramus et ignorabimus).
Jan 28 17:43:47 <etheretic1> entropy: if everything strives towards a lower state of energy - how come we're here? the universe?
Jan 28 17:44:22 <mru> energy isn't uniformly distributed (yet)
Jan 28 17:44:55 <emeb> The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed. —William Gibson
Jan 28 17:45:08 <etheretic1> obviously orwells warnings of "newspeak" and "groupthink" went straight past you.
Jan 28 17:45:31 <mru> I fail to see the connection to orwell
Jan 28 17:45:41 <etheretic1> 1984
Jan 28 17:45:50 <mru> yes, I've read the book
Jan 28 17:45:52 <mru> have you?
Jan 28 17:46:12 <etheretic1> it's all around us.
Jan 28 17:46:18 <mru> I take that as a no
Jan 28 17:46:30 <etheretic1> (read it in 7th class, afaicr)
Jan 28 17:47:56 <emeb> what's in room 101?
Jan 28 17:48:01 <Guest57351> my 1st family name is "wittington" so that's apt.
Jan 28 17:48:26 <Guest57351> some crappers with ops having fun here...
Jan 28 17:48:51 <Guest57351> ...or a nick taken.
Jan 28 17:48:58 <Guest57351>  /nick winston
Jan 28 17:50:26 <etheretic1> emeb> gitmo.
Jan 28 17:53:39 <etheretic1> underpants of qe2
Jan 28 18:05:00 <etheretic1> 1st amendment is toast.
Jan 28 18:05:58 <etheretic1> enn-dee-ei-ei.
Jan 28 18:07:39 <etheretic1> orwell's doing 10000 rpm in his grave.
Jan 28 18:08:40 * mru hooks a generator to orwell and collects free energy
Jan 28 18:10:36 <etheretic1> waste not, want not.
Jan 28 18:11:40 <etheretic1> actually the boxen (lincruiser) can run over 100 hours on a 120 ah battery.
Jan 28 18:12:23 <etheretic1> gerrrr... beaglecruiser?
Jan 28 18:14:45 <etheretic1> going by http://beagleboard.org/project gps-oriented projects aren't too active.
Jan 28 18:15:39 <etheretic1> zzzzzzzzzzzzatttturrrrdaaaaaayyy niiiiight!
Jan 28 18:18:40 <etheretic1> <getting drunk(ish). whee. 8)
Jan 28 18:21:54 <emeb> suddenly much becomes clear.
Jan 28 18:23:42 <etheretic1> as crystal.
Jan 28 18:24:54 <etheretic1> emeb> share your revelation?
Jan 28 18:25:35 <etheretic1> <norwegian
Jan 28 18:25:52 <etheretic1> <tellurian
Jan 28 18:26:01 <etheretic1> <milkywayian
Jan 28 18:27:32 <etheretic1> s'amatter of perspective.
Jan 28 18:35:24 <etheretic1> the pertinent q is - what happens in suite 904?
Jan 28 18:36:00 <mru> why don't you go and find out, giving us some peace here while you're gone?
Jan 28 18:41:35 <etheretic1> on my way, on my way. 1 beer left until pubwards.
Jan 28 18:44:31 <etheretic1> it's not as if it's too much activity here now anyway, on topic or othervise.
Jan 28 18:45:10 * etheretic1 plays UKs 1st album
Jan 28 18:45:29 <etheretic1> day after day of night
Jan 28 18:54:27 <etheretic1> holdsworth/bruford/wetton/jobson can't go wrong.
Jan 28 18:59:45 <mrenouf> Is there a kernel which supports the BeagleBone well, which has CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT ?
Jan 28 19:01:58 <mru> if you build one, there will be
Jan 28 19:02:04 <mrenouf> :-)
Jan 28 19:03:13 <mrenouf> well I've got the armhf toolchain from debian, and I've built the am335x kernel from Arago. But it looks like the PREEMPT patches are for 3.0 and 3.2 (stable series?)
Jan 28 19:04:30 <mrenouf> I'm going to go through the patches this weekend and take inventory to whats in there to see what can be ported, maybe I can live without some of it, or it's been merged upstream.
Jan 28 19:28:48 <etheretic1> patience is a virtue. around here too.
Jan 28 19:31:35 * etheretic1 is patiently awaiting an opportunity to subcontract certain nerdy bb parties for a little (potentially) profitable project.
Jan 28 19:36:00 <Popeyes> so..BBXM, narcissus simple build with xfce throws me a "login failed" using root and no passwd.  I can log in when I use a simple build with console only
Jan 28 20:57:17 * _av500_ hates being covered in drywall dust
Jan 28 21:03:01 * mru points fire hose at _av500_'s wall; now it's not dry any more
Jan 28 21:04:06 <thurbad> better than insulation fibres
Jan 28 21:21:41 * _av500_ has outer cleaning cycle completed, proceeds to internal cleansing
Jan 28 22:54:47 <etheretic1> Aesop's fables are updated by Stanislsaw Lem through "The Cyberiad" (ref. http://www.amazon.com/Cyberiad-Stanislaw-Lem/dp/0156027593/readcircbook-20 )
Jan 29 02:58:36 <bgamari> How does one long jump in thumb-2?
Jan 29 02:59:06 <bgamari> mru: ping
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