**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 06 02:59:58 2012
Feb 06 03:42:14 <mranostay> evening
Feb 06 08:53:37 <carli2> hi
Feb 06 08:53:54 <carli2> ubuntu seems to use the software renderer for compositing
Feb 06 08:54:10 <carli2> is there a way to get the sgx drivers running with ubuntu on beagleboard?
Feb 06 08:56:14 <__av500__> sure
Feb 06 08:56:22 <__av500__> install the official ubuntu stuff
Feb 06 08:56:31 <__av500__> and then the omap add-ons
Feb 06 08:56:38 <__av500__> #ubuntu-arm knows more
Feb 06 09:47:15 <Pinku> Hi everyone....
Feb 06 09:48:15 <Pinku> can anybody tell me how can I load and debug a program from CCS on beaglebone board
Feb 06 09:48:59 <Pinku> I have blackhawk emulator but the interface for JTAG provided on beagle bone is mini USB
Feb 06 09:50:35 <Pinku> Can I directly connect mini USB port of beaglebone to PC and CCS can download the code through it without any additional hardware...
Feb 06 09:51:14 <Pinku> snowrichard and ChanServ...what do u say??
Feb 06 09:54:40 <Pinku> Hi Crisw957
Feb 06 09:55:06 <av500> Pinku: I dont think CCS has support for the bone jtag
Feb 06 09:55:53 <Pinku> OK then tell me how to do programing in CCS and run that on beagle bone
Feb 06 09:55:54 <av500> Pinku: you can solder a 20pin jtag to the bone and use that with your blackhawk I guess
Feb 06 09:56:14 <av500> Pinku: you can do programming in any editor
Feb 06 09:56:29 <snowrichard> Pinku, what do you mean ? hi
Feb 06 09:56:38 <Pinku> Yeah I was also thinking to solder that 20-pin header
Feb 06 09:56:54 <av500> why would you need CCS at all?
Feb 06 09:57:21 <Pinku> av how to compile the code ?
Feb 06 09:57:25 <av500> gcc
Feb 06 09:57:36 <snowrichard> gdb has a dissassembler in i
Feb 06 09:57:49 <snowrichard> s/i/it/
Feb 06 09:58:22 <Pinku> OK av....but I don't want to us Linux and any OS onboard
Feb 06 09:58:30 <snowrichard> that was valid input for a text editor i wrong years ago for KIM-1 that edited sequential tape files (cassette tape) 
Feb 06 09:58:36 <av500> ah
Feb 06 09:58:44 <av500> then solder the 20pin
Feb 06 09:59:17 <Pinku> <av500> will it work for sure?
Feb 06 09:59:30 <snowrichard> there is a prototyping cape for beagle that lets you put atmega avr chips on the cape 
Feb 06 10:01:34 <Pinku> <snowrichard> there is no such prototyping area on beagle bone...except for connecting 20-pin header....and that is not for prototyping but for JTAG
Feb 06 10:02:09 <snowrichard> it was an addon board
Feb 06 10:02:20 <snowrichard> plug into the expansion header i guess
Feb 06 10:02:29 <snowrichard> or gpio 
Feb 06 10:03:07 <snowrichard> how's things in .de av500
Feb 06 10:03:13 <snowrichard> cold?
Feb 06 10:03:13 <av500> cold
Feb 06 10:03:28 <av500> and it was cold in blegium over the weekend
Feb 06 10:03:37 <av500> bleh-gium :)
Feb 06 10:03:55 <snowrichard> put it the OED quick lol
Feb 06 10:04:05 <Pinku> OK snowrichard but my issue is not connecting any small controller to the board, I just want to download hex file etc via JTAG port of beagle bone
Feb 06 10:04:06 <dm8tbr> it was relatively warm in brussels ;)
Feb 06 10:04:22 <snowrichard> oh ok i see
Feb 06 10:04:44 <snowrichard> so you have a host system that does the debugging
Feb 06 10:05:02 <av500> Pinku: then solder jtag
Feb 06 10:05:46 <snowrichard> i had an odd idea
Feb 06 10:05:49 <snowrichard> silly
Feb 06 10:06:36 <snowrichard> write a virtual 6502 in C or C++ perhaps, have it capable of running networked virtual 6502 running parallel
Feb 06 10:08:02 <snowrichard> and actually the C emulation is already done
Feb 06 10:08:18 <snowrichard> would just have to modify it to handle timer interupts
Feb 06 10:08:58 <av500> snowrichard: there are a ton of C64 emulators
Feb 06 10:09:03 <snowrichard> yeah
Feb 06 10:09:14 <snowrichard> i never had a c64 i'd have to google up some books
Feb 06 10:10:00 <snowrichard> so i could have several virtualbox instances running basically just bash prompt and the virtual C64
Feb 06 10:10:39 <av500> and what for?
Feb 06 10:11:01 <snowrichard> to see if i could still program the machine in Hex like Woz did for the apple II rom lol
Feb 06 10:11:25 <snowrichard> a magical tour-de-force for no reason lol
Feb 06 10:11:38 <snowrichard> i'm a paranoid schizophrenic lol
Feb 06 10:11:47 <snowrichard> i'm not supposed to be able to work lol
Feb 06 10:14:40 <snowrichard> actually a Beagle Beowulf cluster with a video wall would be nice
Feb 06 10:14:43 <snowrichard> 9 monitors
Feb 06 10:14:50 <snowrichard> in tic tac toe board arrangement
Feb 06 10:15:29 <av500> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pwUdRKllo0
Feb 06 10:16:13 <av500> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz_FmQ_v7Uw
Feb 06 10:16:39 <av500> http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/sets/72157622794548090/
Feb 06 10:20:50 <Pinku> how can i connect jtag 
Feb 06 10:21:37 <av500> Pinku: scroll up
Feb 06 10:21:46 <av500> [10:56:38] <Pinku> Yeah I was also thinking to solder that 20-pin header
Feb 06 10:22:09 <Pinku> from where i can get starterware ...is it necessary??
Feb 06 10:22:20 <av500> nope
Feb 06 10:22:38 <av500> but you can get it from the internets
Feb 06 10:23:07 <Pinku> can u give some rough idea...plzz
Feb 06 10:23:36 <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=starterware
Feb 06 10:24:06 <Pinku> okkk
Feb 06 10:24:47 <av500> #1 irc rule: google it first
Feb 06 10:32:03 <Pinku> can u give me exact link to download starterware for windows plzz
Feb 06 10:32:17 <Pinku> i m not able to trace plzz
Feb 06 10:32:34 <av500> what?
Feb 06 10:33:03 <av500> www.ti.com/dsp-starterware-pr-lp
Feb 06 10:34:20 <Pinku> ok thanks but will it work for AM335X
Feb 06 10:34:47 <av500> Pinku: there are 3 (three) links on that page, trying all 3 wont take you longer than 30s
Feb 06 10:35:11 <Pinku> .OKK
Feb 06 11:02:19 <reuben> hello can anyone tell me how to control motors using beagle board...
Feb 06 12:33:41 <etheretic> hup.
Feb 06 12:34:07 <av500> ATH?
Feb 06 12:35:14 <etheretic> av500: wozzit?
Feb 06 12:44:33 <etheretic> bit.ly/xgko6d - something fishy there.
Feb 06 12:46:11 <av500> clever usage of old soviet desk lamp: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/03/article-2095193-11946D9B000005DC-871_634x993.jpg
Feb 06 12:46:25 <etheretic> Russian team drilling into Lake Vostok. DM article says "Conditions in lake similar to lakes on moons of Saturn and Jupiter". How can they know, having been to neither?
Feb 06 12:47:25 <av500> etheretic: maybe they trust other people who have been
Feb 06 12:48:45 <etheretic> ah, naturally. 
Feb 06 12:50:16 <etheretic> otherwise it could look like a blinkered attempt at hinting of a non-disclosed space program. imagine.
Feb 06 12:50:55 <av500> yes, maybe one using cold fusion :)
Feb 06 12:52:02 <etheretic> or not.
Feb 06 12:55:31 <etheretic> anyways. they haven't landed on Io, Europa, etc, so they can only speculate on the existence of alleged "underground lakes" there.
Feb 06 12:55:53 <etheretic> they (dm) state it as fact.
Feb 06 12:58:35 <av500> write a rebuttal
Feb 06 13:04:44 * koen can now crash the sgx by just using an usb keyboard
Feb 06 13:05:49 <ogra_> are you aware that you should better try to make it output to a monitor ?
Feb 06 13:05:57 <koen> rsalveti: if I finish this RT patch stuff in time I'll have time left to build an omap3 sgx sdk with eglimage and hardfp
Feb 06 13:06:21 <ogra_> \o/
Feb 06 13:08:55 * av500 imagines koen crashing a beagle by hitting it with an usb keyboard...
Feb 06 13:09:09 * koen has one with eglimage and softp already
Feb 06 13:09:32 <av500> koen: and the poor armv4t users?
Feb 06 13:10:20 * koen tries to locate a TI chip with sgx and an arm920t MPU
Feb 06 13:10:53 <ogra_> av500, you mean the ones that soldered an xscale into their beagle ?
Feb 06 13:11:03 <koen> xscale is armv5te
Feb 06 13:11:09 <ogra_> oh, indeed
Feb 06 13:11:16 <koen> intel didn't have an armv4t version
Feb 06 13:11:23 <koen> only armv4 and armv5te
Feb 06 13:12:31 * koen has had an arm cheatsheet next to his monitor since early 2004
Feb 06 13:13:29 <koen> LetoThe2nd: I confirmed my EW schedule, I'll be there from mon-fri
Feb 06 13:21:21 <av500> poor you
Feb 06 13:46:12 <etheretic> http://www.colorfly.eu/index_en.html - howsabout a Beaglefly?
Feb 06 13:47:12 <etheretic> (high-end media player)
Feb 06 13:51:03 <av500> where is the hard drive?
Feb 06 13:54:28 <av500> only 32GB
Feb 06 13:55:54 <etheretic> sd cards?
Feb 06 13:56:40 <etheretic> 32GB =~ 60-100 EAC/flac albums.
Feb 06 14:09:57 <rsalveti> koen: that would be awesome
Feb 06 14:22:54 <av500> etheretic: exaclty, thats nothing
Feb 06 14:23:13 <av500> dont forget its 24bit, 96khz
Feb 06 14:28:16 * etheretic is pinin' for holographic exa-byte storage devices.
Feb 06 14:41:17 <jsabeaudry> Is it possible to recompile angstrom kernel and replace it without wiping rootfs?
Feb 06 14:50:32 <arthurnn> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/b1bf0afa35458f97#
Feb 06 14:50:38 <arthurnn> anyone here?
Feb 06 16:59:26 <steve> Hey guys. I'm thinking about getting a BeagleBoard xM but I'm a bit worried about setting it up
Feb 06 16:59:45 <muriani> worried how?
Feb 06 16:59:51 <steve> does anyone know if I will just be able to follow the instructions for installing ubuntu on standard beagle?
Feb 06 17:00:07 <av500> we cannot answer that
Feb 06 17:00:18 <av500> how good are you at following instructions`
Feb 06 17:00:20 <av500> ?
Feb 06 17:00:26 <steve> :p
Feb 06 17:00:48 <steve> i.e since it has a different processor, will the set up be majorly different
Feb 06 17:01:08 <av500> get a recent ubuntu
Feb 06 17:01:11 <av500> that should just work
Feb 06 17:01:23 <steve> OK. What about using the DSP?
Feb 06 17:01:30 <av500> what about that?
Feb 06 17:01:45 <av500> stock ubuntu does not have support for the dsp afaik
Feb 06 17:01:48 <steve> would stuff that was created for OMAP3530 be usable on the xM?
Feb 06 17:02:11 <av500> it should
Feb 06 17:02:29 <av500> what have you created?
Feb 06 17:02:34 <emeb> Hmm... Looks like the IRC logbot is down again...
Feb 06 17:02:35 <steve> So I would be able to just follow the instruction here? http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#DSP
Feb 06 17:03:35 <steve> haven't created anything. Going to need to do image processing on DSP and hoping that I could use something like http://code.google.com/p/opencv-dsp-acceleration/ which was designed for the original beagle
Feb 06 17:05:21 <av500> the two above links are using 2 different dsp frameworks
Feb 06 17:05:30 <av500> gst-dsp on ubuntu is using bridge
Feb 06 17:05:43 <av500> the opencv stuff from 2010 gsco is using dsplink
Feb 06 17:05:54 <av500> there is no dsplink in ubuntu
Feb 06 17:16:22 <muriani> I need to find something to do with my beagle.
Feb 06 17:16:51 <muriani> last couple of projects I've had for it have kinda failed miserably.
Feb 06 17:17:07 <av500> you could make it detect "green"
Feb 06 17:17:22 <muriani> hah
Feb 06 17:18:16 <muriani> I dunno. Maybe I'll retry building a linux synth machine. My attempt at converting a Wyse thinclient to it sucked horribly.
Feb 06 17:18:40 <muriani> I'll need to do a lot of building.
Feb 06 17:19:35 <LetoThe2nd> oo( at least it only sucked. imagine what would have happened if it had ventilated.)
Feb 06 17:20:18 <emeb> "both sucks and blows"
Feb 06 17:22:30 <av500> muriani: BB as thinclient? or adding the client to a BB?
Feb 06 17:22:40 <av500> and why not use a BB for both
Feb 06 17:22:59 <LetoThe2nd> av500: sucking AND blowing?
Feb 06 17:26:34 <mru> isn't that one of newton's laws: for every suck, there is an equal and opposite blow
Feb 06 17:30:54 <av500> there is more suck in the universe than blow
Feb 06 17:34:57 <muriani> av500: I don't need a thinclient :P
Feb 06 17:39:40 <tholm> hi anyone knows how can i update only uImage file on rcn-ee?
Feb 06 17:40:47 <steve> av500: wrt the gsoc opencv stuff. Looks like they're using angstrom. Since the DSP37x is software compatible with OMAP35x, would I be able to use the opencv stuff on the xM?
Feb 06 17:40:56 <tholm> I downloaded  latest image but i dont wanna reinstall the whole system?
Feb 06 17:43:04 <av500> tholm: well, just update the uimage
Feb 06 17:43:20 <av500> steve: I'd say so
Feb 06 17:43:37 <steve> great. thanks
Feb 06 17:43:55 <tholm> this is the command, mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Linux" -d ./vmlinuz-* ./uImage
Feb 06 17:44:07 <tholm> ??
Feb 06 17:44:23 <av500> that creates an uimage
Feb 06 17:44:32 <av500> to update it you copy it to the sdcard
Feb 06 17:44:51 <av500> unless you are booting fully from nand on a non-XM
Feb 06 17:45:33 <tholm> great im confused 
Feb 06 17:47:04 <tholm> let see,  If i just wanna upgrade uImage on rcn-ee's distro, how can i do that?
Feb 06 17:47:48 <tholm> becouse i downloaded this file ubuntu-11.10-r5-minimal-armel.tar.xz
Feb 06 17:48:17 <tholm> and in that file isn't uImage file
Feb 06 17:55:17 <koen> https://github.com/hvaibhav/am335x-linux/commits/master
Feb 06 18:02:52 <av500> koen: somebody trolled bangalore into bone support?
Feb 06 18:03:32 <av500> if (cpu_is_am33xx()) l = OMAP44XX_GPMC_BASE;
Feb 06 18:03:35 <av500> yeah, right
Feb 06 18:03:47 <av500> messy mess is messy
Feb 06 18:04:51 <emeb> oh, isn't that lurvely. :P
Feb 06 18:05:17 <av500> so, the omap4 is a am33xx derivative?
Feb 06 18:06:54 <emeb> heh
Feb 06 18:07:15 <emeb> which came first - the chicken or the velociraptor?
Feb 06 18:07:31 <av500> velochicken
Feb 06 18:07:42 <emeb> good at crossing roads?
Feb 06 18:07:45 <av500> velochicken rapture
Feb 06 18:08:01 <emeb> the rapture of the velocichickens
Feb 06 18:22:45 <TheAlphaNerd> so I just finished installing an image of ubuntu from rcn-ee.com and the display is overscanning on my monitor… what's the best way to go about fixing the resolution?
Feb 06 18:23:33 <LetoThe2nd> getting a sane monitor that does not overscan?
Feb 06 18:24:17 <av500> or turning off overscan on your slightly sane monitor
Feb 06 18:28:31 <TheAlphaNerd> well here is the thing
Feb 06 18:28:36 <TheAlphaNerd> I have a build of debian
Feb 06 18:28:43 <TheAlphaNerd> from the same site… and it displays perfectly
Feb 06 18:29:26 <TheAlphaNerd> and the uEnv.txt files on both are pretty much identicle
Feb 06 18:31:47 <xxiao> mdp: ping
Feb 06 18:41:10 <av500> TheAlphaNerd: and you monitor can display the resolution used?
Feb 06 18:41:12 <TheAlphaNerd> fwiw I am only having the overscan issue on distros with a kernal > 3.0
Feb 06 18:41:16 <av500> if yes, compare it
Feb 06 18:43:17 <jsabeaudry> So I bitbake -c devshell virtual/kernel, I modify the board file, then I run bitbake virtual/kernel and it tells me there is nothing to be done? Which step is missing?
Feb 06 18:43:30 <mdp> xxiao, pong
Feb 06 18:44:54 <TheAlphaNerd> av500: as far as I can tell the resolution being use is the one listed in the uEnv.txt file in the boot partition (amIrite?) with this being the case the resolution is identicle between the debian distro (where it works) and the ubuntu (where it does not)
Feb 06 18:45:13 <av500> something is different
Feb 06 18:45:28 <av500> dump the omapdss display timing from sysfs and compare
Feb 06 18:45:37 <TheAlphaNerd> how would I do that?
Feb 06 18:46:57 <pratik> hello,anybody used media-ctl to get 2 diff resolutions?
Feb 06 18:47:09 <av500> cat /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/display0/timings
Feb 06 18:47:17 <av500> or maybe its display1
Feb 06 18:47:26 <pratik> of same video input source?
Feb 06 18:47:44 <av500> at the same time?
Feb 06 18:47:50 <pratik> yes
Feb 06 18:47:58 <av500> how is that supposed to work?
Feb 06 18:48:08 <pratik> ok I will explain
Feb 06 18:48:19 <av500> there is only one isp resizer
Feb 06 18:48:52 <pratik> i have to display video input on 4.3' lcd with 320x240 resolution
Feb 06 18:48:57 <av500> yes
Feb 06 18:49:06 <av500> and encode at VGA
Feb 06 18:49:22 <pratik> and stream over network with multiple dynamicaly adjusted resolutions?
Feb 06 18:49:34 <av500> same thing
Feb 06 18:50:07 <pratik> @ av500 _I could not understand pls explain
Feb 06 18:50:12 <av500> what you can do is to use the ISP resizer outside of v4l2
Feb 06 18:50:21 <av500> you capture the whole frame at full resolution
Feb 06 18:50:28 <pratik> yes
Feb 06 18:50:41 <av500> than, from userspace you resize once to QVGA and a 2nd time to whatever
Feb 06 18:50:43 <av500> then
Feb 06 18:50:52 <av500> that works
Feb 06 18:51:09 <prpplague> Crofton: you going to be at ELC?
Feb 06 18:51:34 <pratik> means by using ISP framework or soft encoding?
Feb 06 18:51:41 <av500> isp resizer
Feb 06 18:51:44 <pratik> ok
Feb 06 18:51:56 <Crofton> prpplague, Yes
Feb 06 18:52:15 <prpplague> Crofton: dandy
Feb 06 18:52:29 <pratik> av500 could give me flow to use configure this in media-ctl
Feb 06 18:52:39 * av500 never used media-ctl
Feb 06 18:52:47 <pratik> oh 
Feb 06 18:52:49 <av500> and as I said, I dont think you can tell v4l2 to do that
Feb 06 18:52:57 <av500> use v4l2 only to capture
Feb 06 18:52:59 <pratik> then other altenative?
Feb 06 18:53:03 <av500> then resize using the isp resizer
Feb 06 18:53:04 <pratik> ok
Feb 06 18:53:14 <av500> the alternative is what I said above
Feb 06 18:53:20 <pratik> ok
Feb 06 18:53:42 <av500> but I did that last time 2ys ago, so I dont know how it works on current kernel
Feb 06 18:54:01 <av500> omap3 is soo old ...
Feb 06 18:54:41 <pratik> what are you using now a days? omap4?
Feb 06 18:54:49 <av500> yes
Feb 06 18:55:07 <pratik> which processor?
Feb 06 18:55:12 <av500> omap4
Feb 06 18:55:20 <prpplague> <greek accent> You better get married soon. You're starting to look... old! </greek accent>
Feb 06 18:56:01 <TheAlphaNerd> hey av500: so there is a difference in the display0/timings between the debian and ubuntu builds… specifically ubuntu is "64000,1280/48/80/32,720/13/3/5" and debian is "61714,1280/48/80/32,720/13/3/5"
Feb 06 18:56:05 <TheAlphaNerd> now what can I do with this information
Feb 06 18:57:03 <pratik> thank you very much av500
Feb 06 18:58:00 <av500> TheAlphaNerd: which one is the working one?
Feb 06 18:58:25 <TheAlphaNerd> the debian one "61714,1280/48/80/32,720/13/3/5"
Feb 06 18:59:29 <av500> well, they are both strange as the official HDMI timing for 1280x720 is 74250 for pixel clock
Feb 06 18:59:42 <av500> what is your uenc.cfg?
Feb 06 19:00:11 <TheAlphaNerd> strange indeed…  one sec
Feb 06 19:00:33 <TheAlphaNerd> http://pastebin.com/ZXe5eH3z
Feb 06 19:00:47 <TheAlphaNerd> that's the uEnv from the ubuntu image (not working one)
Feb 06 19:00:49 <av500> ah, some reduced blanking mode
Feb 06 19:01:52 <TheAlphaNerd> I used this http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/oneiric/ubuntu-11.10-r5-minimal-armel.tar.xz and the included script to set everything up
Feb 06 19:02:43 <av500> well, so your 2 kernels have some differing logic to setup video timing
Feb 06 19:03:12 <TheAlphaNerd> the debian build is running a 2.6.x kernal
Feb 06 19:03:18 <TheAlphaNerd> the ubuntu build is on the latest 3.x kernal
Feb 06 19:03:39 <TheAlphaNerd> both are from the same site though...
Feb 06 19:16:13 <TheAlphaNerd> av500: do you know of any good documentation for me to read to get a firm understanding of the forces I'm working with here… I'm pretty new to linux in general, not just embedded systems, and I feel like there are some pretty big gaps in my knowledge base
Feb 06 19:16:37 <av500> read the DSS documentation in kernel source code
Feb 06 19:16:42 <av500> read the DSS part in the TRM
Feb 06 19:16:49 <av500> read the DSS driver source code
Feb 06 19:16:51 <av500> :)
Feb 06 19:17:02 <TheAlphaNerd> no easy way eh :p
Feb 06 19:17:13 <jay6981> TheAlphaNerd:  what are the gaps?
Feb 06 19:17:29 <TheAlphaNerd> well I have NO idea how one would even go about changing the default resolution
Feb 06 19:17:31 <av500> maybe you can echo the good timing into sysfs
Feb 06 19:17:47 <TheAlphaNerd> I tried changing it in uEnv.txt but that didn't work
Feb 06 19:18:25 <jay6981> you just have to program the display controller with the right timings
Feb 06 19:18:42 <av500> as said, you might be able to change the timings via sysfs
Feb 06 19:18:50 <av500> read the DSS documentation in kernel source code
Feb 06 19:19:07 <TheAlphaNerd> now sysfs… is that a command line tool?
Feb 06 19:19:18 <TheAlphaNerd> is it included in a repository?
Feb 06 19:19:22 <av500> no
Feb 06 19:19:24 <jay6981> sorta… it's a way to interact with the kernel
Feb 06 19:19:28 <jay6981> pseudo filesystem
Feb 06 19:19:30 <av500> #1 irc rule: google it first
Feb 06 19:19:39 <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=sysfs
Feb 06 19:19:45 <TheAlphaNerd> av500: I have been googling… doesn't help if you don't know what to google for
Feb 06 19:19:55 <av500> you google what you ask
Feb 06 19:20:13 <av500> "use XYZ" ->  https://www.google.com/search?q=XYZ
Feb 06 19:20:26 <av500> then en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ
Feb 06 19:20:30 <av500> etc..
Feb 06 19:21:11 <TheAlphaNerd> I have been… although you have to admit it can be way faster working out the problem with some help
Feb 06 19:21:14 <TheAlphaNerd> which I appreciate
Feb 06 19:21:27 <av500> yes
Feb 06 19:21:34 <av500> but you tie up other peoples time
Feb 06 19:21:52 <TheAlphaNerd> it's give and take… Ive given tons of my time to other people on other project
Feb 06 19:22:02 <av500> sure
Feb 06 19:22:09 <TheAlphaNerd> and as I dev with the beagle and learn I will hope to repay the favor to the community
Feb 06 19:22:09 <av500> so let them google too :)
Feb 06 19:22:53 <TheAlphaNerd> I personally think the "just google it" mentality is counter productive to the open source community
Feb 06 19:23:02 <jay6981> most people just ignore the really dumb questions
Feb 06 19:23:10 <av500> TheAlphaNerd: no
Feb 06 19:23:19 <aholler> koen: sorry for beeing short-worded on friday, but it was just too loud. btw. you have to show me the patch ;)
Feb 06 19:23:20 <av500> why should I type here what sysfs is?
Feb 06 19:23:28 <TheAlphaNerd> LOL… best answer
Feb 06 19:23:29 <av500> when it even has a wikipedia paga?
Feb 06 19:23:33 <TheAlphaNerd> I wasn't asking you to
Feb 06 19:23:34 <jay6981> TheAlphaNerd: i have a few moments to discuss if you want
Feb 06 19:23:39 <TheAlphaNerd> I was asking for good documentation
Feb 06 19:23:55 <av500> [20:16:37] <av500> read the DSS documentation in kernel source code
Feb 06 19:23:56 <av500> [20:16:42] <av500> read the DSS part in the TRM
Feb 06 19:23:58 <av500> [20:16:49] <av500> read the DSS driver source code
Feb 06 19:24:03 <TheAlphaNerd> didn't say you didn't give it to me
Feb 06 19:24:03 <TheAlphaNerd> :p
Feb 06 19:24:25 <TheAlphaNerd> but for example had I just "googled" it that could have taken me three hours to figure out...
Feb 06 19:24:34 <TheAlphaNerd> wheras it took you 2 minutes to point me in the right direction
Feb 06 19:25:17 <TheAlphaNerd> jay6981: thank you for the offer… I actually have to pop out for right now, but I'll try and hit you up when I get back
Feb 06 19:25:24 <koen> aholler: http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=27b8c8f267e260b10450a53b14843eed58cebeff
Feb 06 19:25:58 <koen> aholler: and http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=73ce5003734aae3a50e5429b404b5b8e00e5a98e
Feb 06 19:26:59 <TheAlphaNerd> av500: thank you for the help, and don't get me wrong… I totally understand and appreciate your view point… and I have gotten just as frustrated as you dealing with people asking the same question for the 90th time… but with that being said perhaps there is a general need for overhall on the beagleboard documentation if things like how to set resolution are not easily found on the wiki
Feb 06 19:27:39 <jay6981> what's funny is people are more than willing to bitch at you about not googling… which also takes time
Feb 06 19:28:10 <TheAlphaNerd> jay6981: amen… 
Feb 06 19:28:25 <TheAlphaNerd> but I guess the big difference is that many people come in asking for handholding through the entire process...
Feb 06 19:28:45 <jay6981> it happens occasionally, but they usually get ignored for a while and get the point
Feb 06 19:28:50 <TheAlphaNerd> :D
Feb 06 19:29:14 <TheAlphaNerd> Sometimes I just get tired of googling for HOURS and getting nothing because all I see are forums of people being told to google it
Feb 06 19:29:20 <TheAlphaNerd> fucking recursive feedback loop
Feb 06 19:29:32 <wmat> I hope you guys update the wiki once you find your answer ;)
Feb 06 19:29:58 <aholler> koen: that one was not from me
Feb 06 19:30:01 <wmat> elinux.org wiki to be specific
Feb 06 19:30:18 <av500> TheAlphaNerd: I did not tell you to google for dss documentation
Feb 06 19:30:23 <av500> I told you to google for sysfs
Feb 06 19:30:31 <av500> which I assumed was a word you never heard
Feb 06 19:30:31 <TheAlphaNerd> av500: I'm not personally attacking you, just talking about in gernal
Feb 06 19:30:39 <TheAlphaNerd> I geniunely think you have been very hepful
Feb 06 19:30:54 <av500> TheAlphaNerd: nah, looks can be deceiving :)
Feb 06 19:30:56 <aholler> mine has had an O
Feb 06 19:31:08 <av500> aholler: you are still battling S vs O=
Feb 06 19:31:10 <av500> aholler: you are still battling S vs O?
Feb 06 19:31:24 <aholler> exactly
Feb 06 19:31:37 <av500> hurry, the world ends this year
Feb 06 19:31:45 <aholler> I'm battling for beeing famous for stuff I didn't have done
Feb 06 19:31:57 <av500> you dont want to miss the console log of that
Feb 06 19:31:59 <TheAlphaNerd> lets just all be thankful we are not being executed in iran for our code
Feb 06 19:32:01 <TheAlphaNerd> gotta run for now
Feb 06 19:32:09 <TheAlphaNerd> thanks for the help guys… will be back in an hour or so
Feb 06 19:32:19 * av500 hopes his code is not being executed in iran
Feb 06 19:33:22 <aholler> koen: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2011-February/087673.html
Feb 06 19:33:32 <TheAlphaNerd> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/18/iran-death-sentence-porn-programmer
Feb 06 19:33:35 <TheAlphaNerd> see ya in a bit
Feb 06 19:40:58 <aholler> koen: looking at the ml, it seems tom rini has tobe the famous one, not I: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2011-November/109248.html
Feb 06 19:41:15 <aholler> so actually TI has some gaps
Feb 06 19:41:22 <av500> some
Feb 06 19:43:55 <aholler> as often, externals are called the culprits ;)
Feb 06 19:44:39 <koen> aholler: I guess git got confused
Feb 06 19:44:47 <aholler> no
Feb 06 19:45:05 <aholler> I guess some has typed that zero without knowing it better ;)
Feb 06 19:45:55 <aholler> or just beeing tired
Feb 06 19:46:16 <aholler> or whatever, but I usually test my patches ;)
Feb 06 19:49:29 <av500> aholler: I bet the o2 patch compiled fine :)
Feb 06 19:50:12 <aholler> if you call such a test I can't help ;)
Feb 06 19:51:51 <av500> usually I only test if the git push worked :)
Feb 06 19:53:00 <aholler> hmm, seems like you visited china or india too often ;)
Feb 06 19:53:20 <aholler> sorry to people from there ;)
Feb 06 19:53:37 <av500> aholler: you mean, test if the mkzip command worked?
Feb 06 19:53:43 <av500> or the copy to shared ftp?
Feb 06 19:53:46 <av500> sorry to people from there ;)
Feb 06 19:53:56 <av500> ah no, CTRL-S :)
Feb 06 19:57:37 <aholler> hmm, mkzip must be something new ;)
Feb 06 19:58:03 <av500> sorry, winzip of course, trial version 
Feb 06 19:58:22 <av500> 1, 2 oder 3....
Feb 06 19:59:19 <aholler> hmm, m$ has a lottery and I'm a winner
Feb 06 20:07:05 <djlewis> whomever is near paris France, I got to talk to a ham there this morning, evening there with 100 watts ssb :)
Feb 06 20:07:19 <aholler> anyway, as a freelancer I'm used to be the culprit ;)
Feb 06 20:08:31 <aholler> it's like it is a part of my job description: be the culprit ;)
Feb 06 20:10:30 <mouser> So to have wireless working immediately after installing angstrom is there some additional packages I need to include in Angstrom after these:
Feb 06 20:10:36 <mouser> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/1ec0c6585a2141c8/19e6ac4bbdd4647f?show_docid=19e6ac4bbdd4647f
Feb 06 20:11:25 <xxiao> iran? just curious why can't it make nuclear bomb? is it a born right for certain players only
Feb 06 20:14:16 <mouser> more specifically, the RTL8188SU driver.
Feb 06 20:14:58 <emeb> djlewis: is on the air
Feb 06 20:16:25 <av500> xxiao: as usual, patents and royalties....
Feb 06 20:16:37 <xxiao> av500: that's a good one :)
Feb 06 20:17:15 <xxiao> based on gun law in usa, if everyone can carry a nuclear bomb while walking, the world will be the safest
Feb 06 20:18:40 <jsabeaudry> xxiao, safest from tyranny thats for sure
Feb 06 20:22:44 <xxiao> mouser: rtl8188 is used pretty widely, driver should be easy to find
Feb 06 20:22:55 <xxiao> mouser: i'm surprised if it's not in the kernel yet
Feb 06 20:24:37 <mouser> rcn-ee had me run "zcat /proc/config.gz | grep RTLWIFI" and it returned nothing.
Feb 06 20:25:06 <jay6981> how about just RTL
Feb 06 20:25:33 <mattzz> try grep -i
Feb 06 20:25:40 <av500> xxiao: with 6billion a-bombs, I hope they have a high MTBF.....
Feb 06 20:25:40 <jay6981> that too
Feb 06 20:26:13 <mouser> It's booting up now, i'll try those two out
Feb 06 20:26:46 <mattzz> well, I just see that it's CONFIG_RTLWIFI so forget about the -i...
Feb 06 20:28:25 <mouser> CONFIG_RTL8187=m                                                                 CONFIG_RTL8187_LEDS=y                                                            CONFIG_USB_RTL8150=y                                                             CONFIG_RTL8192SU=m 
Feb 06 20:28:46 <xxiao> it's the 8192SU one
Feb 06 20:29:16 <mouser> ok I replugged in the USB dongle and it says:
Feb 06 20:29:25 <mouser> usb 2-2.2: firmware: requesting RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin 
Feb 06 20:29:35 <mouser> That's good right?
Feb 06 20:29:40 <jay6981> yeah
Feb 06 20:29:46 <jay6981> does the file exist?
Feb 06 20:31:00 <xxiao> check /lib/firmware/RTL8192SE
Feb 06 20:31:10 <xxiao> there should be a file named rtl8192sfw.bin underneath
Feb 06 20:31:18 <mouser> it keeps requesting for that. Should I ctrl+c it?
Feb 06 20:31:28 <xxiao> yes
Feb 06 20:34:26 <mattzz> mouser: opkg update; opkg install linux-firmware-rtl8192su
Feb 06 20:34:45 <mouser> I don't see my last message, so in case it didn't go through:
Feb 06 20:35:08 <mouser> I hav ea rt73.bin in the firmware folder, but no RTL8192SE folder.
Feb 06 20:35:14 * xxiao wants to buy a $2 8188usb-wifi for playing soon
Feb 06 20:35:57 <mouser> ok mattzz I will try that
Feb 06 20:36:43 <mouser> I may disconnect momentarily
Feb 06 20:40:55 * mouser5 facepalms
Feb 06 20:41:07 <mouser5> I forgot to save the command after update
Feb 06 20:42:01 <mouser5> could somebody please copy paste that back 
Feb 06 20:42:09 <mouser5> opkg install linux-...
Feb 06 20:42:16 <jay6981> mouser5: 12:34:26 PM mattzz: mouser: opkg update; opkg install linux-firmware-rtl8192su
Feb 06 20:42:22 <mouser5> thank you
Feb 06 20:46:47 <mouser5> Unknown package 'linux-firmware-rtl8192su'.  
Feb 06 20:47:14 <mattzz> opkg list | grep firmware
Feb 06 20:48:14 <jay6981> try putting the firmware file in /lib/firmware/RTL8192SU 
Feb 06 20:48:46 <mattzz> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=linux-firmware-rtl8192su
Feb 06 20:49:57 <mouser5> jay6981: which file? the one from mattzz link?
Feb 06 20:50:06 <mouser5> that package does not show up in the opkg list
Feb 06 20:50:21 <mattzz> did you do a opkg update?
Feb 06 20:50:24 <jay6981> mouser5: no, the one the kernel was spamming you about 
Feb 06 20:50:39 <jay6981> you said it was on your disk in the wrong place maybe?
Feb 06 20:50:48 <mouser5> I don't think that is the correct one
Feb 06 20:50:55 <mouser5> there is the linux-firmware package
Feb 06 20:51:01 <mouser5> in the opkg list
Feb 06 20:51:04 <mouser5> and yes I did update
Feb 06 20:51:40 <mattzz> but no firmware-rtl8192su? strange, because it's on the angstrom repo site
Feb 06 20:52:13 <mattzz> did you ever do a opkg upgrade?
Feb 06 20:52:24 <mouser5> I believe I did it last week
Feb 06 20:52:28 <mouser5> I'll try it again
Feb 06 20:54:01 <mattzz> you can probably take the file from the link I posted. It's an ipkg file. Don't know much about angstrom but I think you will have to use ipkg install xyz.ipkg to install the firmware.
Feb 06 21:10:20 <mattzz> What is the recommended kernel source for am335x? is it git.kernel.org omap development tree or is it arago-project, am33x.git?
Feb 06 21:11:40 <jay6981> mattzz i think arago-project eventually gets merged into kernel.org
Feb 06 21:12:05 <denix> correct
Feb 06 21:12:22 <mattzz> jay6981: so for now arago is the one?
Feb 06 21:12:35 <denix> correct again
Feb 06 21:12:36 <jay6981> if you want the latest stuff, i think so
Feb 06 21:12:40 <mouser> installing that .ipk added a /lib/firmware/rtlwifi folder, but inside it is just rtl8712u.bin?
Feb 06 21:13:34 <denix> that's the staging tree on arago, which is meant to be upstreamed and eventually get into kernel.org
Feb 06 21:13:41 <mattzz> jay6981, denix , thanks!
Feb 06 21:14:00 <jay6981> denix: nice, thanks for clarifying
Feb 06 21:14:24 <mattzz> mouser: do you see the .bin file in /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/?
Feb 06 21:15:05 <mouser> just the 8712u.bin
Feb 06 21:16:07 <mattzz> mouser: maybe try it then. maybe your wifi dongle is ok with it, worth a try.
Feb 06 21:16:31 <mouser> how would i tell it to try that?
Feb 06 21:16:36 <mouser> <-- linux noob
Feb 06 21:16:48 <quantumi> mouser: any connection to mouser.com?
Feb 06 21:16:54 <mattzz> replug your dongle or reboot and waych dmesg
Feb 06 21:17:01 <mattzz> waytch=watch
Feb 06 21:17:06 <mouser> quantumi: no, surprisingly :P
Feb 06 21:17:14 <quantumi> :P
Feb 06 21:18:34 * carli2 copied the whole xpdf crap from debian packets to angstrom
Feb 06 21:18:53 <carli2> i hate dependencies
Feb 06 21:20:35 <mouser> mattzz: Is there anything in particular I'm looking for? Its still requesting RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin
Feb 06 21:23:39 <mattzz> mouser: Hm. You could try copying your firmware to RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin and see what happens.
Feb 06 21:24:06 <mattzz> or google for rtl8192sfw.bin and use that one :P
Feb 06 21:24:11 <jay6981> mouser: you could just google for the file name… try this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup#rtl8192s
Feb 06 21:25:08 <mattzz> http://www.google.de/search?q=rtl8192sfw.bin first link points to a .gz file
Feb 06 21:25:33 <mouser> hmm
Feb 06 21:25:39 <mouser> I probably should have thought of that
Feb 06 21:25:42 <mouser> thanks
Feb 06 21:26:08 <mattzz> np ;)
Feb 06 21:26:28 <mattzz> those firmware files can be a pita.
Feb 06 21:26:58 <mattzz> root@bone:~# git clone http://arago-project.org/git/projects/linux-am33x.git
Feb 06 21:26:58 <mattzz> Cloning into 'linux-am33x'...
Feb 06 21:27:10 <mattzz> it's gonna be a looong night.
Feb 06 21:27:48 <jay6981> you're compiling on the bone?
Feb 06 21:29:45 <mattzz> At least I want to play around with make menuconfig a bit. I need to set up a cross compiler at some point but using native gcc on the bone is my first step to put the cortex at work… stupid idea?
Feb 06 21:29:55 <jay6981> not stupid
Feb 06 21:30:04 <jay6981> you already know it's slow, so go for it :)
Feb 06 21:30:10 <mattzz> (it's been a long while since I compiled my last kernel, i need to get back to basics…)
Feb 06 21:30:25 <jay6981> as long as you have the time, it seems like a good plan
Feb 06 21:30:41 <mattzz> swapfile its probably also a good idea, right?
Feb 06 21:31:18 <jay6981> yeah, you might need it… but if it starts swapping a lot it may be a very long time indeed
Feb 06 21:31:45 <jay6981> i say give it a shot, and while you're waiting for it to finish, learn how to setup the cross environment
Feb 06 21:31:55 <mattzz> :P
Feb 06 21:32:01 <jay6981> see which one happens first :)
Feb 06 21:32:18 <mattzz> hehe...
Feb 06 21:33:12 <mattzz> If the compile is slower than the cloning process I'm doomed….
Feb 06 21:33:23 <jay6981> oh, much slower i think
Feb 06 21:41:53 * mouser rejoices.
Feb 06 21:47:08 <jay6981> mouser:  online?
Feb 06 21:48:05 <mouser> yep
Feb 06 21:48:09 <mouser> thanks a ton
Feb 06 21:48:15 <jay6981> very cool
Feb 06 21:48:24 <jay6981> which dongle are you using btw?
Feb 06 21:49:27 <mouser> jay6981:  This cool guy I found in my lab: http://inlandproduct.com/prominiusbtowifidongle.aspx
Feb 06 21:50:10 <jay6981> nice… i have some d-link thing I hope is the 8192SU also
Feb 06 21:50:23 <jay6981> been meaning to try that out
Feb 06 22:00:14 <peterwoo> where in the 'Building Angstrom' instructions can i insert a patch?
Feb 06 22:00:31 <peterwoo> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Feb 06 22:06:05 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, lucky you, I fought openembedded all day today and I think I finally found something that should work although I'm not finished testing
Feb 06 22:06:28 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, http://www.kosagi.com/blog/advanced-openembedded/#Patching+the+kernel+%28using+devshell+and+screen%29
Feb 06 22:08:38 <peterwoo> sonofa
Feb 06 22:09:19 <peterwoo> thank you jsabeaudry
Feb 06 22:09:52 <peterwoo> a little over my head but i guess i'll have to learn
Feb 06 22:10:55 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, Hang around here, we can collaborate, the OpenEmbedded beast is a tough one to wrap one's head around
Feb 06 22:11:33 <peterwoo> thank you
Feb 06 22:11:44 <peterwoo> what i'm trying to do is apply the patch described at
Feb 06 22:11:44 <peterwoo> http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-omap-2.6.39/sakoman/0024-omap-mmc-Adjust-dto-to-eliminate-timeout-errors.patch?h=org.openembedded.dev
Feb 06 22:13:06 <jsabeaudry> oh looks like I failed to patch it... at least I don't have the expected results
Feb 06 22:13:56 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, from what I can understand you just put the .patch file in the right directory and reference it from the receipe you are building
Feb 06 22:14:16 <etheretic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xN0254u56Mc#!
Feb 06 22:16:13 <peterwoo> could you be a tad more specific? i've never built a kernel
Feb 06 22:17:40 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, In the link I posted you start after "Create a patch"
Feb 06 22:18:17 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, I'm sorry I'm super new to that stuff too so I don't know much more than you do
Feb 06 22:18:25 * XorA loves the fact people like to jump in the middle of the pacific to learn to swim :-D
Feb 06 22:20:50 <TheBurrito> Howdy all. Long time no see.
Feb 06 22:21:06 <TheBurrito> Is there a recommended i2c PWM driver that many people have used with the BB?
Feb 06 22:23:10 <djlewis> XorA:  well spoken ;)
Feb 06 22:23:19 <peterwoo> jsabeaudry it's quite okay
Feb 06 22:23:54 <peterwoo> trying to work what's on that page around the steps described at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Feb 06 22:24:15 <djlewis> TheBurrito: i do know that there was a google or beagleboard project where a guy developed one
Feb 06 22:24:26 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, ah just do building-angstrom sutff alone first, it takes hours and hours
Feb 06 22:24:54 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, then it gives you time to study for the next steps
Feb 06 22:25:00 <TheAlphaNerd> peterwoo: I have some documentation for you
Feb 06 22:25:42 <TheAlphaNerd> although i had mixed feelings about angstrom
Feb 06 22:26:19 <arcanescu> is there a dvsdk for beagle.... or more specifically whats the best way to compile a kernel for beagle with some custom configs?
Feb 06 22:26:26 <peterwoo> i've chosen Angstrom simply by default
Feb 06 22:26:26 <TheAlphaNerd> http://treyweaver.blogspot.com/2010/10/installing-angstrom-on-beagleboard-xm.html
Feb 06 22:26:38 <TheAlphaNerd> http://www.gigamegablog.com/2010/12/09/beagleboard-xm-and-angstrom-getting-the-big-dog-to-run-at-full-speed/
Feb 06 22:26:43 <TheAlphaNerd> those are pretty accurate
Feb 06 22:27:04 <TheAlphaNerd> I suggest generating an image using narcissus
Feb 06 22:27:17 <TheAlphaNerd> that being said… depending on what you want to do it might now be the best choice
Feb 06 22:27:32 <TheAlphaNerd> opkg repository is limited compared to apt-get
Feb 06 22:27:38 <TheAlphaNerd> or other larger distro
Feb 06 22:27:45 <jsabeaudry> TheAlphaNerd, Ya if you nee to patch the kernel narcissus is not of much use from what I understand
Feb 06 22:27:47 <mranostay> hi
Feb 06 22:28:05 <djlewis> mranostay:  howdy
Feb 06 22:28:38 <mranostay> djlewis: hello central timer :P
Feb 06 22:28:40 <djlewis> emeb:  yeah seems ssb dx is best mornings for me from europe.
Feb 06 22:30:18 <TheAlphaNerd> peterwoo: I'm a beagle nooby too… been playing with angstrom / debian / ubuntu
Feb 06 22:30:34 <TheAlphaNerd> ubuntu has so far been the most forgiving
Feb 06 22:30:35 <peterwoo> i only *think* i need try the mmc driver patch because of I/O errors i'm seeing
Feb 06 22:31:14 <arcanescu> while we are at the nooby topic.... anyone care to shed some light on the kernel whats the best way to get custom configs?
Feb 06 22:31:45 <jay6981> arcanescu:  start with something that works, then start changing things one at a time
Feb 06 22:32:19 * XorA thought beagle kernel in Angstrom already had the timeouts patch
Feb 06 22:32:26 <arcanescu> jay6981: i already got the working version.... default with the sd card...
Feb 06 22:32:33 <jay6981> that patch is pretty old… 
Feb 06 22:33:08 <XorA> I would suggest you SD card is probably busted
Feb 06 22:33:10 <arcanescu> jay6981: which dist to use? ... i specifically need to get the ftdi driver working on beagle
Feb 06 22:33:49 <jay6981> hasn't ftdi been in the kernel for some time now? 
Feb 06 22:34:37 <XorA> ftdi should just work (tm)
Feb 06 22:34:43 <peterwoo> XorA -- just unwrapped it
Feb 06 22:35:02 <peterwoo> class 4
Feb 06 22:35:04 <arcanescu> i tried it... it didnt load the driver
Feb 06 22:35:06 <XorA> peterwoo: respectable make, or one you bought on ebay for 2c
Feb 06 22:35:19 <arcanescu> it must be int he kernel but if it wasnt enabled in the config
Feb 06 22:35:22 <XorA> arcanescu: is your device now and ftdi just doesnt know the id?
Feb 06 22:35:22 <arcanescu> it wont be there?
Feb 06 22:35:25 <peterwoo> patriot from fry's
Feb 06 22:35:34 <XorA> new
Feb 06 22:35:36 <jay6981> arcanescu:  did you check the config yet?
Feb 06 22:36:04 <arcanescu> jay6981: i am using the kernel whcih came on the beagle xm sd card.
Feb 06 22:36:23 <XorA> arcanescu: ftdi might need a module to be installed
Feb 06 22:36:28 <XorA> opkg search ftdi
Feb 06 22:36:49 <arcanescu> XorA: tht cant be i just built a kernel for leopard board with the module loaded so atleast i know it works
Feb 06 22:36:51 <XorA> koen made pretty much every usb peripheral compile, but mostly as modules
Feb 06 22:37:14 <Crofton> mru, do you have cabcer yet?
Feb 06 22:37:18 <Crofton> cancer
Feb 06 22:37:23 <arcanescu> i can test that tommrow i dont have the board with me at the moment
Feb 06 22:37:31 <Crofton> XorA, where are you?
Feb 06 22:37:32 <arcanescu> so opkg search ftdi?
Feb 06 22:37:36 <XorA> Crofton: Sunnyvale
Feb 06 22:37:43 <TheAlphaNerd> peterwoo: I've read some bad stuff about the patriot sd
Feb 06 22:37:48 <XorA> Crofton: remeber you are coming for beers on sat?
Feb 06 22:37:55 <TheAlphaNerd> I wish I saved the article with the benchmarks
Feb 06 22:38:01 <Crofton> Yes
Feb 06 22:38:05 <Crofton> where are we going?
Feb 06 22:38:08 <Crofton> I hvae no car
Feb 06 22:38:14 <Crofton> so Mountain View is best for me
Feb 06 22:38:16 <XorA> Crofton: are you staying in ELC venue?
Feb 06 22:38:24 <Crofton> not until like Tuesday night
Feb 06 22:38:31 <XorA> Crofton: I have care
Feb 06 22:38:33 <XorA> car
Feb 06 22:38:33 <arcanescu> lets talk work and not play
Feb 06 22:38:40 <Crofton> we are working
Feb 06 22:38:42 <arcanescu> all play and no work makes jack a dull boy
Feb 06 22:38:45 <XorA> Crofton: koen is going to be in ELC hotel
Feb 06 22:38:49 <Crofton> ok
Feb 06 22:38:58 <XorA> Crofton: so I can drive us about
Feb 06 22:39:15 <XorA> Crofton: I wont be taking many beers anyway as flying next day
Feb 06 22:39:26 <Crofton> heh
Feb 06 22:39:29 <mranostay> did someone say beer? :)
Feb 06 22:39:37 * XorA points at prpplague 
Feb 06 22:40:11 * prpplague looks in to see who said beer
Feb 06 22:40:54 <mranostay> XorA: lightweight :)
Feb 06 22:40:55 * XorA are sure all beers said are just echos of prpplague primeval beer calling way back in history
Feb 06 22:41:24 <XorA> mranostay: if I get on plane drunk I cant take advantage of free beers on plane :-D
Feb 06 22:41:34 <peterwoo> bad enough that a patriot SD can't be used?
Feb 06 22:42:22 <arcanescu> dmesg | grep -i ftdi can someone tell me what ftdi driver they got.... on sourceforge the latest is 1.3.3 however ubuntu reports a greater version
Feb 06 22:42:27 <TheAlphaNerd> not bad enough that it can't be used… just that it was advised against
Feb 06 22:42:34 * XorA always pays the extra couple of cents for Sandisk cards
Feb 06 22:42:46 <mranostay> XorA: er get more drunk? :P
Feb 06 22:42:47 <peterwoo> hm
Feb 06 22:43:07 <TheAlphaNerd> arcanescu: http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm
Feb 06 22:43:08 <arcanescu> focus people focus... stop talking abt beeer
Feb 06 22:43:16 <XorA> Im from UK though, I dont think we have patriot, we have Kingston which are unusable
Feb 06 22:43:36 <TheAlphaNerd> peterwoo: I got transcend cards and they are working out great
Feb 06 22:43:40 <XorA> lates ftdi driver is on kernel.org these days I should think
Feb 06 22:43:42 <TheAlphaNerd> $10 for a 8 gb class 10
Feb 06 22:43:53 <XorA> transcend Ive had good experiences with as well
Feb 06 22:44:00 <arcanescu> XorA where in uk? im from manchester
Feb 06 22:44:02 <XorA> and in benchmarks a close second to Sandisk
Feb 06 22:44:06 <XorA> arcanescu: Edinburgh
Feb 06 22:44:15 <XorA> arcanescu: but Im in California this week
Feb 06 22:44:15 <arcanescu> nice n freezing
Feb 06 22:44:23 * XorA is toasty warm here
Feb 06 22:44:25 <arcanescu> u shud be glad
Feb 06 22:44:31 <XorA> I saw the news
Feb 06 22:44:34 <arcanescu> -.- these bastards cant even clear
Feb 06 22:44:36 <XorA> return of the last 2 years weather
Feb 06 22:44:44 <jay6981> it's always like this in sunnyvale
Feb 06 22:44:48 <arcanescu> the snow... my norwegian freinds are making a good laugh at me
Feb 06 22:44:59 * mattzz misses sunnyvale
Feb 06 22:45:15 <peterwoo> the bone boots in that the kernel loads -- once i even got to the login prompt -- but i'm getting flooded with 'mmcblk0: timed out sending r/w cmd' messages
Feb 06 22:45:21 * TheAlphaNerd misses sunnydale
Feb 06 22:45:33 <jay6981> sunnyvale trailer park?
Feb 06 22:45:38 <peterwoo> looked into it and thought i needed that patch, but if it's already been merged in...
Feb 06 22:45:39 <mdp> mranostay, are you settled?
Feb 06 22:45:46 <peterwoo> guess i'll try a different sd vendor
Feb 06 22:45:50 <XorA> CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_FTDI_SIO=m
Feb 06 22:45:59 <XorA> from beagleboard defconfig in Angstrom
Feb 06 22:46:09 <XorA> so its a module for sure
Feb 06 22:46:11 <arcanescu> so it is compiled
Feb 06 22:46:24 <arcanescu> as a module... how should i load it
Feb 06 22:47:01 <mranostay> mdp: stuff isn't here yet. so if sleeping bag on the floor counts as settled :)
Feb 06 22:47:09 <xxiao> mdp: one more ppc guy is joining arm 
Feb 06 22:47:09 <mdp> classy
Feb 06 22:47:19 <mdp> xxiao, yeah, I know :)
Feb 06 22:47:26 * mranostay remembers why he hated camping
Feb 06 22:47:40 <emeb> mranostay: at least you've got indoor plumbing.
Feb 06 22:47:47 * xxiao felt sad for ppc
Feb 06 22:47:49 <mranostay> touche
Feb 06 22:47:57 <XorA> arcanescu: make sure its installed, once installed it should autoload in insertion
Feb 06 22:48:03 <XorA> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=kernel-module-ftdi-sio
Feb 06 22:48:05 <mdp> xxiao, also panto..who hasn't done ppc8xx in years is doing work for us now
Feb 06 22:48:18 <XorA> arcanescu: opkg install kernel-module-ftdi-sio
Feb 06 22:48:23 <mdp> xxiao, don't be surprised if another defection occurs soon too
Feb 06 22:48:38 <arcanescu> XorA.... thats my point how do i install it... i dont want to recompile the kernel just for the FTDI
Feb 06 22:48:45 <xxiao> mdp: i saw that same hiring and was thinking about it for a few minutes, then gave up
Feb 06 22:48:57 <XorA> arcanescu: I dont get you, you are running standard Angstom?
Feb 06 22:49:12 <arcanescu> XorA: im running the image that came with beagleboard
Feb 06 22:49:33 <XorA> arcanescu: then connect network, opkg update; opkg install kernel-module-ftdi-sio
Feb 06 22:49:37 <mdp> xxiao, I made the transition while consulting…we had 10x the arm work than ppc and all the growth was there
Feb 06 22:49:45 <mdp> xxiao, still sux to deal with wrong endian
Feb 06 22:50:04 <XorA> although Ive no idea if TI made a special frozen repo for XM distribution or not
Feb 06 22:50:13 <xxiao> i had to deal with some 64bit ppc recently, the 10G driver is horribly complicated
Feb 06 22:50:16 <arcanescu> XorA: thanks i will try that tommrow in :)
Feb 06 22:50:21 <jsabeaudry> Oh wow, just figured why bitbake takes 20 secs to clean a package, it's written in python...
Feb 06 22:50:46 <XorA> jsabeaudry: its because unlink is a really slow operation on ext* file systems
Feb 06 22:51:34 <mranostay> mdp: i still find it terribly ironic i had FTTP in AL, but in Silicon Valley I have crappy old DSL :)...
Feb 06 22:51:38 <xxiao> jsabeaudry: i'm teaching my 8 years python daily, it's not that bad :)
Feb 06 22:51:41 <arcanescu> XorA: special frozen repo? meaning?
Feb 06 22:51:46 <xxiao> s/years/year-old
Feb 06 22:52:04 <XorA> arcanescu: Im not 100% sure when Angstrom came on XM, I never ever loaded it from the card :-D
Feb 06 22:52:07 <jsabeaudry> XorA, suggestion on which type of fs would drastically improve the performance?
Feb 06 22:52:25 <arcanescu> XorA: hmmm how do i check if its angstrom or not :D ? 
Feb 06 22:52:28 <XorA> jsabeaudry: no idea, I just suffer
Feb 06 22:52:28 <_av500_> ssd
Feb 06 22:52:35 <arcanescu> XorA: and where can i get a angstrom dist for beagle?
Feb 06 22:52:43 <jay6981> SV has pretty shitty telecom infrastructure for such a hotbed of innovation
Feb 06 22:52:48 <XorA> arcanescu: its Angstrom of some form or other, you can get modern version from www.angstrom-distribution.org
Feb 06 22:53:12 <XorA> jay6981: better than japan :-D
Feb 06 22:53:25 <XorA> its like being in 1970s UK there
Feb 06 22:53:29 <jay6981> really? i thought japan was a leader in broadband deployment
Feb 06 22:53:38 <jsabeaudry> xxiao, Well, for the build tools used on non embedded development such as scons, cmake, autotools, etc, scons is the slowest and it's also written in python so I see a trend
Feb 06 22:53:58 <jay6981> the VZW LTE network is pretty damned fast here though
Feb 06 22:54:12 <XorA> jay6981: looking at those cables slung around the poles, I think fibre runs will be real difficult in Japan :-D
Feb 06 22:54:14 <arcanescu> XorA: okay :) 
Feb 06 22:54:28 <jay6981> heh
Feb 06 22:54:44 <mranostay> XorA: can't be worst than DSL in the midwest though :)
Feb 06 22:55:00 <XorA> although the cheap crappy hotel I used had amazing ADSL2+ link to every room. Hilton has a totally shitty internet connection
Feb 06 22:55:51 <mranostay> XorA: so bedbugs and good internet, or clean sheets and bad internet  ?
Feb 06 22:56:07 <XorA> mranostay: hehe, not quite that bad
Feb 06 22:56:17 <jay6981> get a 4g mifi and have your cake and eat it too
Feb 06 22:56:26 <XorA> no 4g in UK :-(
Feb 06 22:56:39 <xxiao> mranostay: i thought bedbugs is only for new yorkers?
Feb 06 22:56:40 <mdp> mranostay, don't need DSL here :)
Feb 06 22:56:54 <mranostay> mdp: true
Feb 06 22:56:58 * XorA hopes BT hurry up with the fibre rollout in UK
Feb 06 22:57:04 <mdp> 50/5 docsis 3 works just fine
Feb 06 22:57:41 <jsabeaudry> same goes for 120/20, except the price
Feb 06 22:57:54 <mdp> true that
Feb 06 22:58:16 <mdp> I'm pretty happy that we have 50/5 away from the urban areas
Feb 06 22:58:43 <emeb> Wow - DRC queue @ BatchPCB is deep. Been in line for 3 hours w/o getting results back.
Feb 06 22:59:11 <jay6981> how about 40/15 wireless?
Feb 06 22:59:15 <mdp> the at&t uverse folks in the urban centers seem to have reliability problems :(
Feb 06 22:59:33 <mdp> at least in this area
Feb 06 22:59:52 <mranostay> AT&T sucks. Film at 11
Feb 06 23:00:22 <mranostay> Sprint is probably the only one that is worse
Feb 06 23:00:48 <peterwoo> mmok. what's the easiest distro to test out on beaglebone, not including (if applicable) Angstrom?
Feb 06 23:01:03 <mdp> jay6981, I carry a 4g mifi for working out of the house
Feb 06 23:01:20 <mranostay> peterwoo: Angstrom is pretty simple to get running
Feb 06 23:01:22 <mdp> a nice upgrade from my 3g one
Feb 06 23:01:32 <mranostay> mdp: 5gb limit?
Feb 06 23:01:44 <mdp> yeah, but it's not my primary connection
Feb 06 23:02:09 <jay6981> i allegedly have unlimited 4g tethering 
Feb 06 23:02:17 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, ya angstrom is pretty easy to test especially a demo image
Feb 06 23:02:35 <mranostay> mdp: somehow i managed to upgrade to the unlimited 3G plan before they discontinued it
Feb 06 23:02:43 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, I'd go with TI's image in close second
Feb 06 23:02:58 <mranostay> was handy for a few days when i was near crappy wifi points and etc
Feb 06 23:03:07 <jsabeaudry> peterwoo, probably arago too
Feb 06 23:03:27 <mdp> mranostay, yeah, public wifi can suck…especially there with 10 zillion people hanging off of it
Feb 06 23:03:36 <mdp> actually, anywhere these days
Feb 06 23:04:10 <peterwoo> i've tried Angstrom without complete success (it was easy though) -- just need another distro to check, see if i'm doing something wrong or this SD card is whack
Feb 06 23:04:26 <jay6981> you really should try another card before you drive yourself nuts
Feb 06 23:04:27 <djlewis> and 2 or 3 of those 10 zillion people trying to hack into others
Feb 06 23:07:11 <peterwoo> yeeah.. good advice
Feb 06 23:09:53 <jsabeaudry> So I bitbake -c clean, -c patch, -c compile and finally bitbake, it deploys a file over 1 hour old... :S
Feb 06 23:13:00 <jsabeaudry> that OE thing is killing me
Feb 06 23:13:29 <jay6981> is it possible to do it without OE?
Feb 06 23:17:36 <ds2> it is always possible to do things without OE
Feb 06 23:18:02 <jsabeaudry> What the heck does clean mean in bitbake, LMAO, -c clean, then I -c deploy and it just copies files over from somewhere no need to build....
Feb 06 23:18:34 <jay6981> i realize that… to clarify, I meant is it possible for him to do it without OE
Feb 06 23:21:46 <XorA> jsabeaudry: if you compiling a proper makefile application then you can cut that time considerably
Feb 06 23:21:58 <XorA> jsabeaudry: bitbake -c compile -f (to force re-run)
Feb 06 23:22:05 <XorA> bitbake -c install -f
Feb 06 23:22:26 <XorA> bitbake -c package_ipk -f (I think thats the right name)
Feb 06 23:22:32 <XorA> and loop those threee
Feb 06 23:22:54 <jsabeaudry> XorA, I'm compiling the kernel (linux-ti33x-3.1), I'll try the -f it might work
Feb 06 23:23:15 <XorA> jsabeaudry: thats how I used to do kernel dev work without clean step
Feb 06 23:23:22 <XorA> jsabeaudry: but I dont use OE everyday now
Feb 06 23:24:19 <XorA> jsabeaudry: I wrote an article once http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
Feb 06 23:25:43 <jay6981> nice!
Feb 06 23:26:11 <jsabeaudry> XorA, Ah interesting so you don't call the -c patch explicitely
Feb 06 23:26:38 <XorA> jsabeaudry: I use quilt to play with the patches until Im happy enough to put them in recipe
Feb 06 23:28:27 <jsabeaudry> XorA, Thanks for the write-up btw, great resource
Feb 06 23:29:32 <XorA> jsabeaudry: luckilly Elphel paid me to write it
Feb 06 23:32:17 * jay6981 bookmarks for the day he eventually uses OE
Feb 06 23:56:26 <jsabeaudry> XorA, Wow, even with the -f -c compile and the -f -c install, it still gave me a uImage which is 2 hours old
Feb 06 23:56:36 <jsabeaudry> XorA, I'm speechless
Feb 07 00:07:38 <peterwoo> hmm so i've potentially made progress on my sd card problem. now when i boot i don't get i/o errors, just a load of 'checksum for group N failed'
Feb 07 00:26:21 <thurbad> did you try -c deploy?
Feb 07 00:26:56 <thurbad> after -f -c compile
Feb 07 00:27:12 <thurbad> d'oh missed him by a few secs
Feb 07 00:34:14 <etheretic> has anyone investigated the DAC (audio) possibilities in the bb?
Feb 07 00:35:27 <peterwoo> my beaglebone is hanging on boot after uncompressing linux (http://pastebin.com/davzdW5r) -- any suggestions?
Feb 07 00:37:38 <XorA> etheretic: you can play mp3s quite well :_D
Feb 07 00:38:01 <thurbad> peterwoo, which serial port are you outputting to?
Feb 07 00:38:32 <XorA> bone by default has serial console disbaled to speed up boot
Feb 07 00:38:45 <XorA> check the SD activity light, it might be fscking the card
Feb 07 00:39:08 <etheretic> XorA: my toothbrush can do that. not in hifi, 'tho. .(
Feb 07 00:39:23 <XorA> etheretic: bb can play 48k stereo in 16 bits
Feb 07 00:39:32 <etheretic> 24?
Feb 07 00:39:35 <peterwoo> ttyUSB1 -- could have disabled printing, but after 5-10min i was still unable to ssh in
Feb 07 00:39:51 <XorA> etheretic: I could be wrong but I dont think the audio chip on there does 24bit
Feb 07 00:40:07 <XorA> etheretic: but its a a standard i2s so you can add a second audio chip
Feb 07 00:40:58 <etheretic> XorA: have a hegel hd2 dac - there's a very noticeable diff. between say a 128kbs mp3 and a >600kbs flac/ape.
Feb 07 00:41:22 <XorA> beagle can play flac as well
Feb 07 00:41:57 <XorA> if you want more advanced audio hardware youd need to hack it onto the board though
Feb 07 00:42:11 <XorA> best bet is probably an expansion PCB
Feb 07 00:42:16 <etheretic> XorA: thinking of ouput resolution. being able to play it by downsampling isn't w. impressive.
Feb 07 00:42:19 <XorA> i2s is available on the expansion port
Feb 07 00:42:46 <XorA> I think in can play 96Khz audio, but thats the limit
Feb 07 00:43:02 <etheretic> u mean put it on a daughterboard?
Feb 07 00:43:32 <XorA> although your mixing up the stream bitrate and the playback frequency
Feb 07 00:43:39 <etheretic> beaglepuppy! 8)
Feb 07 00:44:12 * etheretic used to be a vinyl fanatic...
Feb 07 00:44:36 <XorA> 20.5Khz at 8 bits logarithmic for you then :-D
Feb 07 00:45:25 <etheretic> XorA: daft. analogue = infinite. digital isn't.
Feb 07 00:46:35 <XorA> years of doing audio work has indicated to me that most audiophiles are actually pretty deaf :-D
Feb 07 00:46:56 <XorA> the only sound they here is the russle of dollar bills
Feb 07 00:46:59 <XorA> hear
Feb 07 00:47:21 <etheretic> i have some ancient amplifiers to ameliorate the digitalness of the sound from digital files to the preamp. 
Feb 07 00:47:47 <XorA> one of my friends restores old marshal valve amps
Feb 07 00:47:50 <XorA> they sound gorgeous
Feb 07 00:48:24 <XorA> she also rebuilds guitars
Feb 07 00:48:51 <etheretic> dollar's toast. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pay+mortgage+bank+amertica+cash&oq=pay+mortgage+bank+amertica+cash&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=7990l26629l0l27122l42l36l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0
Feb 07 00:49:07 <XorA> anyway I think its time to give up for the day
Feb 07 00:49:15 <ka6sox> Good Plan(tm)
Feb 07 00:49:26 <XorA> hey ka6sox same timezone :-D
Feb 07 00:49:30 <etheretic> h'm.
Feb 07 00:49:40 <ka6sox> XorA, yep, finally!
Feb 07 00:49:42 <peterwoo> the system is hanging after a series of messages, 'omap2_set_init_voltage: unable to set vdd_core' is the last one
Feb 07 00:49:47 <ka6sox> its beer:30 someplace
Feb 07 00:49:47 <etheretic> soon 2am here.
Feb 07 00:50:02 <XorA> ka6sox: I shall find my GF eat and beer :-D
Feb 07 00:50:29 <ka6sox> excellent
Feb 07 00:50:29 <etheretic> can-ibalism?
Feb 07 00:50:33 <ka6sox> she will like that
Feb 07 00:51:30 <XorA> hehe
Feb 07 00:53:16 <etheretic> boa doesn't take "cash" (fed res notes) - what does that tell u?
Feb 07 00:54:22 <etheretic> ah - the fiat has exited the currrrrency!
Feb 07 00:54:31 * etheretic beams :D
Feb 07 01:18:18 <peterwoo> so i can see that user led #1, which i gather is SD access, is perma-on -- so potentially the system is doing a fsck
Feb 07 01:18:55 <peterwoo> but the terminal stopped updating after the omap2_set_init_voltage messages, so i dont know
Feb 07 01:22:01 <peterwoo> how long might a fsck take on a 32GB card?
Feb 07 01:47:55 <etheretic> done?
Feb 07 02:19:38 <mrenouf> whats new?
Feb 07 02:21:25 <mrenouf> what the hell is up with the moderation on the Google group??
Feb 07 02:21:34 <mrenouf> two days and my post still hasn't been let through
Feb 07 02:25:52 <peterwoo> whoohoo! fsck say's the card is clean
Feb 07 02:25:59 <peterwoo> gah
Feb 07 02:26:23 <peterwoo> but now boot progress has seemed to stop again
Feb 07 02:28:21 <TheAlphaNerd> peterwoo: how are you setting the card up?
Feb 07 02:28:23 <TheAlphaNerd> scripts?
Feb 07 02:28:55 <peterwoo> i've downloaded Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beaglebone-2012.01.27.img.xz
Feb 07 02:29:12 <TheAlphaNerd> you have the beaglebone?
Feb 07 02:29:16 <peterwoo> then xz -dkc [that file] >/dev/mmcblk0
Feb 07 02:29:18 <peterwoo> yes
Feb 07 02:29:34 <TheAlphaNerd> word
Feb 07 02:29:44 <TheAlphaNerd> and won't boot?
Feb 07 02:30:54 <TheAlphaNerd> have you tried using dd?
Feb 07 02:31:03 <peterwoo> it seems to halt after an fsck message saying the dev is clean
Feb 07 02:31:08 <peterwoo> no
Feb 07 02:31:15 <TheAlphaNerd> I've been using dd for my images
Feb 07 02:31:27 <TheAlphaNerd> that and the images that have a full scripted installer
Feb 07 02:31:41 <TheAlphaNerd> do you need the cloud9 ide?
Feb 07 02:32:09 <peterwoo> mm i'd like nodejs, but don't need cloud9
Feb 07 02:32:47 <TheAlphaNerd> well one thing to know off the bat… angstrom may be a bit faster… but won't have the support or packages of debian / ubuntu
Feb 07 02:33:02 <TheAlphaNerd> although it is nice to hae things configured
Feb 07 02:33:37 <TheAlphaNerd> is your main computer linux based?
Feb 07 02:33:58 <peterwoo> yep
Feb 07 02:34:41 <TheAlphaNerd> http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/oneiric/ubuntu-11.10-r5-minimal-armel.tar.xz
Feb 07 02:34:46 <TheAlphaNerd> this  demo image is really nice
Feb 07 02:34:56 <TheAlphaNerd> has a setup_sdcard.sh shell script
Feb 07 02:35:09 <TheAlphaNerd> sudo ./setup_sdcard.sh --mmc /dev/sdX --uboot "board"
Feb 07 02:35:11 <TheAlphaNerd> and that's it
Feb 07 02:35:16 <TheAlphaNerd> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Demo_Image
Feb 07 02:36:10 <peterwoo> sweet i'll give that a try
Feb 07 02:36:23 <TheAlphaNerd> it will be up and running in less than 30 minutes
Feb 07 02:36:30 <TheAlphaNerd> (assuming you can download quickly)
Feb 07 02:36:38 <TheAlphaNerd> that distro was just updated yesterday too
Feb 07 02:37:36 <militarybeagle> i was wondering if someone could help me with some questions
Feb 07 02:38:05 <TheAlphaNerd> I can try… but I've only been at this for about a couple weeks :D
Feb 07 02:38:21 <militarybeagle> oh ok. well i just got a two yr old beagle.
Feb 07 02:38:39 <militarybeagle> and since we have got him home he is not eating that much. and he seems depressed.
Feb 07 02:38:47 <militarybeagle> any thoughts
Feb 07 02:40:48 <thurbad> this is actually a channel dedicated to computer hardware called a beagleboard...
Feb 07 02:40:57 <TheAlphaNerd> HAHAHHAHA
Feb 07 02:41:22 <thurbad> wow, what a bummer
Feb 07 02:41:38 <TheAlphaNerd> I wish he stuck around… I actually know a bunch about beagle dogs
Feb 07 02:41:40 <TheAlphaNerd> j/k
Feb 07 02:47:49 <etheretic> google = evil.
Feb 07 02:48:05 <etheretic> sp00ks.
Feb 07 02:50:40 <mrenouf> :-(
Feb 07 02:51:03 <mrenouf> what is it /this/ time?
Feb 07 02:52:00 <etheretic> g00gle censorship.
Feb 07 02:52:13 <etheretic> awe look
Feb 07 02:54:32 <etheretic> the us sherrifs are p1$$3d.
Feb 07 02:55:38 <etheretic> http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-02-2012/120412-america_sheriffs_obama-0/
Feb 07 02:56:18 <jay6981> you get your news from pravda?
Feb 07 02:56:38 <scromp> Given the importance of the convention, it is curious to say the least that the media have chosen to totally ignore it. Curious, too, is the fact that I scoured the Internet yesterday but could find scant news on the convention, much less a report - not even on the website of the County Sheriff Project.
Feb 07 02:56:40 <scromp> HINTS
Feb 07 02:57:07 <etheretic> the us media doesn't behoove themslves to report such important news...
Feb 07 02:57:55 <etheretic> scromp: http://ww2.blogtalkradio.com/drkate/2012/01/31/revolution-radio-constitutional-sheriffs-conference-live
Feb 07 02:58:31 <scromp> while I agree with opposition to NDAA I find right wing crank sites a little tiring at this point
Feb 07 02:59:00 <etheretic> forget wings. they're part of the same bird.
Feb 07 02:59:06 <scromp> and anyone who's serious about NDAA should know that it was little more than icing on the cake, the meat of that law was passed in 2006 with no outcry
Feb 07 02:59:07 <jay6981> pravda isn't exactly a beacon of independent journalism 
Feb 07 02:59:45 <etheretic> and foc/cnn/bbc is?
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