**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 13 02:59:58 2012 Feb 13 05:23:16 Hi Can I ask my questino here? Feb 13 05:26:44 Hi Again I changed nicknames, Where can I ask my question? Feb 13 05:29:48 just ask your question!Don't ask to ask Feb 13 05:30:50 Sorry I was asking since some IRCs don't allow wall question. ok, Can I use angstrom toolchain to build a C++ project in eclipse to target an angstrom distrubution running on beagleboard? Feb 13 05:31:30 or is angstrom toolchain only build C projects? Feb 13 05:32:19 it can build c++ Feb 13 05:32:47 this is possible, bu tI do not know much about eclipse Feb 13 05:37:57 hello Feb 13 07:26:45 morning folks Feb 13 07:35:17 <_av500_> gm Feb 13 07:44:51 ok, funny thing going on with my xm. I can load xloader, uboot and uImage from sd card just fine. once the kernel starts, it gives an error message that it can't find the mmc card Feb 13 07:45:08 if I replug the card, the kernel's happy and continues booting Feb 13 07:46:56 any idea what could be the problem there? Feb 13 07:47:46 if I reboot without disconnecting the power, the boot works as expected Feb 13 07:50:52 <_av500_> recent kernel? Feb 13 07:51:03 <_av500_> there were some mmc fixes wrt some timing or voltage... Feb 13 07:51:25 it's a 3.1.6 kernel iirc Feb 13 07:51:33 <_av500_> ok Feb 13 07:54:37 what is the exact error message, and do you have the root dev wait option enabled? Feb 13 07:55:49 (rootwait) Feb 13 07:59:53 mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card Feb 13 08:01:04 I've just upgraded to kernel 3.2.1 and I can't reproduce the error when unlugging power Feb 13 08:01:30 and yes, I've got the rootwait option specified Feb 13 08:08:30 oh well, got to get myself to work Feb 13 09:30:53 * av500 has a new battery in his ipaq, still does not know what to use it for... Feb 13 09:49:44 https://twitter.com/#!/FOSSNewsChannel/status/167313782832513024 Feb 13 10:59:51 I'm looking to run a program automatically on boot (but before login). I was think to add this to rc.local but it would appear that this file doesn't exist in Angstrom. Where should I put my script? Feb 13 11:04:38 interesting, I hope someone has a good answer. Feb 13 11:11:09 quantumi: i have the problem tat i want a static ip address i change the /etc/network/interface but when i reboot the system nothing happend i don't get my static ip adress. but when i restart the /etc/init.d/network i get my static ip and can login via ssh now i thoght i can write a startup script and restart the network automatically but i don't find a good solution i the internet Feb 13 11:14:13 kate123: I'm afraid I have no working copy of Angstrom or experience, but it does sound like you should find out why the static ip isn't set on startup and fix that instead of creating a workaround solution Feb 13 11:18:13 quantumi: i'searching for a solution i found that the rc5.d haven't a symlink to the networking so i creat a symlink for this but the problem is the same after reboot Feb 13 11:18:54 so i thought it was easier to create a work around solution Feb 13 11:19:19 ah, well, can you find out what the default runlevel (or rc level) is? Feb 13 11:24:39 quantumi: the problem is i don't get a inittab where i can see it Feb 13 11:37:21 root Feb 13 11:37:36 i think rc5.d Feb 13 13:03:04 <[IDC]Dragon> hi, is there a recommendation for a 3.x kernel? Feb 13 13:04:24 <[IDC]Dragon> i.e., was anything OMAP-useful been upstreamed since 2.6.39? Feb 13 13:06:30 ubuntu uses plain mainline for its omap3 images since a few releases, 3.2 works just fine Feb 13 13:07:06 nah, absolutely nothing has been done upstream for OMAP since May of 2011 Feb 13 13:17:41 <[IDC]Dragon> hm, thanks Feb 13 13:21:24 <[IDC]Dragon> mdp: what happened on May 2011? Feb 13 13:21:43 [IDC]Dragon: you missed the sarcasm Feb 13 13:23:07 <[IDC]Dragon> no, just curious what the last contribution was Feb 13 13:23:43 <[IDC]Dragon> (ok, I missed it) Feb 13 13:24:16 <[IDC]Dragon> was it TI to contribute further? Feb 13 13:25:06 [IDC]Dragon: omap stuff is constantly being upstreamed Feb 13 13:25:15 thats what linux-omap is for Feb 13 13:26:45 <[IDC]Dragon> is there such a thing as a longterm kernel? Feb 13 13:34:34 long term or long running kernel? Feb 13 13:34:57 <[IDC]Dragon> long term supported Feb 13 13:35:20 <[IDC]Dragon> (not long term outdated ;-) Feb 13 13:37:20 there was something announced on ELCE I think, but I don't know much about the details Feb 13 13:40:02 [IDC]Dragon, there are so many contributions you'll have to read linux-omap to follow them. Feb 13 13:40:25 mdp: when do you get into SFO? Feb 13 13:41:31 koen, 20:15 Feb 13 13:41:43 I dont think there are arm specific LTS kernels Feb 13 13:41:47 only LTS kernels per se Feb 13 13:42:02 up to arm people to push patches into that Feb 13 13:43:03 <[IDC]Dragon> I didn't mean ARM-specific Feb 13 13:43:46 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/10/linux-foundation-announces-long-term-support-kernel-tree-for-ce-vendors.ars Feb 13 13:44:17 that seems to provide the best of Meego, TIzen AND Yocto... Feb 13 13:45:01 <[IDC]Dragon> is there a "current" LTS kernel? Feb 13 13:46:14 I haz no idea Feb 13 13:46:14 <[IDC]Dragon> a while ago I read about discussions to nominate one, but am not aware of an outcome Feb 13 13:46:28 * av500 keeps kernels stable by *not* touching them Feb 13 13:46:56 koen, that's tuesday..what about you? Feb 13 13:48:00 * dm8tbr saw him in the lobby yesterday Feb 13 13:51:14 av500, we have some .32 kernels here that fail that method, cause they were never stable to start Feb 13 13:52:27 mdp: method: receive random kernel, teach it stability at gun point, leave the gun glued to it's forehead just in case, ship Feb 13 13:52:54 hehe Feb 13 13:53:51 [IDC]Dragon: I dont really get the point of stable kernels, you have to decide when to ship a product with the kernel you have at that time Feb 13 13:54:53 mdp: I arrived saturday Feb 13 13:54:57 <[IDC]Dragon> it would be comforting to use a kernel to which bugfixes are backported, I thought Feb 13 13:55:15 each distro has their own "stable kernel" Feb 13 13:55:39 and their own stable distro release Feb 13 13:56:04 [IDC]Dragon: recently kernel patches can get marked with 'stable' and gregh kh backports then to older releases like 3.0.x and 3.2.x Feb 13 13:56:17 [IDC]Dragon: generic stuff like exploit fixes, yes Feb 13 13:56:42 <[IDC]Dragon> koen: sounds good Feb 13 13:56:57 koen: and who tests that? Feb 13 13:57:21 git makes the backport part easy Feb 13 13:57:22 <[IDC]Dragon> better than just using latest Feb 13 13:57:34 sure :p Feb 13 13:57:54 [IDC]Dragon: "latest" is not latest any more as soon as you start using/qualifying it Feb 13 13:58:09 av500: you touch on the main problem :) Feb 13 13:58:11 then its suddenly plain "your" kernel Feb 13 13:58:16 what's new is old Feb 13 13:58:38 <[IDC]Dragon> another reason to use a supported kernel? Feb 13 13:58:48 supported by whom? Feb 13 13:59:01 I use a TI "supported" kernel now Feb 13 13:59:06 as its part of TI ICS Feb 13 13:59:07 <[IDC]Dragon> some friendly backporter like GKH Feb 13 13:59:14 back != sup Feb 13 13:59:35 koen, it's a balmy −13C here so I don't want to get there so early and be subjected to the crappy SFO weather Feb 13 13:59:38 as soon as TI moves on to new pastry, this kernel will be as unsupported as the others Feb 13 14:00:00 13C, you bastard Feb 13 14:00:18 where's that? Feb 13 14:00:28 ynezz, _negative_ Feb 13 14:00:45 ah, I missed that sign Feb 13 14:00:49 more sartalics needed Feb 13 14:00:53 mdp: put it in brackets Feb 13 14:01:13 heh Feb 13 14:01:40 yeah, I've known problems to evaluate expressions without brackets Feb 13 14:01:56 mdp: it's -13c at home as well :) Feb 13 14:02:11 and only -11 on the plane? Feb 13 14:02:14 it was a hot +11C on saturday here Feb 13 14:02:16 I love it..I hope everybody moves south :) Feb 13 14:02:41 av500: we managed to get khasim to SFO as well Feb 13 14:05:14 koen: flew in on a hawk? Feb 13 14:05:31 a flying omapl138 board? Feb 13 14:06:04 hand luggage... Feb 13 16:31:37 arf. Feb 13 16:33:15 fra Feb 13 16:39:29 means "from" where i am. Feb 13 16:42:29 is the bb tech meant to go into mainstream products in the embedded market, or is it "just" meant to be a device through which programmers and h/w designers can learn the tricks of the trade/technological possibilities? Feb 13 16:43:03 both Feb 13 16:45:17 facilitate/ease the process with which a product is brought to market? Feb 13 16:47:27 hardware designers don't have to design a board from the ground up, and software developers can start programming before the hardware guys are done with the board... that's what we did Feb 13 16:49:00 ic. commendable. Feb 13 16:49:16 how can icheck what speed the beagle processor is running at? Feb 13 16:51:28 enable the cortex cycle counter and compare it to a known clock like 32khz ref clock Feb 13 16:51:57 cat /proc/cpuinfo Feb 13 16:52:34 BogoMIPS : 994.64 Feb 13 16:52:43 that would be 1 ghz? Feb 13 16:52:55 pretty much Feb 13 16:53:18 thanks i tried this before it just showed ------ blanks Feb 13 16:53:19 :/ Feb 13 16:53:20 weird Feb 13 16:57:49 koen: seen XorA around lately? Feb 13 17:11:57 koen: ping Feb 13 17:30:57 * dm8tbr yawns Feb 13 17:31:21 time to wake up brain and listen to keynote Feb 13 17:31:23 hi Feb 13 17:31:39 at a conference? Feb 13 17:34:37 ABS in redwood shores Feb 13 17:35:13 dm8tbr: staying for ELC? Feb 13 17:36:29 prpplague: yarrr, looking forward to that Feb 13 17:36:39 dm8tbr: dandy Feb 13 17:37:44 * mru will arrive (again) this afternoon Feb 13 17:38:15 * dm8tbr actually has something nice you can put on the TI stand if you feel. IVI demo device built around a PB Feb 13 17:39:00 rumor has it I'll be talking about it tomorrow... Feb 13 17:44:15 dm8tbr: ahh nice! Feb 13 17:44:32 dm8tbr: maybe you can get Nipuna to put on the tech demo table Feb 13 17:44:44 *nod* Feb 13 17:45:17 tomorrow after my talk preferably. don't want to spoil the surprise ;) Feb 13 17:45:32 hey guys Feb 13 17:46:08 i was curious, i had placed an order for a beaglebone at Digi Feb 13 17:46:19 and the order got yanked, as they said they had to send all the stock back Feb 13 17:46:25 due to a defect Feb 13 17:46:43 does anyone know where i can nab a beaglebone from a batch that isn't defective? Feb 13 17:58:34 prpplague: pong Feb 13 17:59:50 koen: you seen XorA around any? Feb 13 18:03:21 saturday Feb 13 18:03:27 he flew back yesterday Feb 13 18:04:08 Crofton, xora and I had the angstrom cabal meeting on saturday Feb 13 18:04:15 aka beer night Feb 13 18:08:59 hi Feb 13 18:32:02 koen: ahh dandy Feb 13 18:43:02 are there any known startup race conditions with beaglebone's networking interfaces? Feb 13 18:54:24 peterwoo: race condition? as in two init scripts trying to dhcp at once? Feb 13 18:55:59 maybe. when i first power the board on, i get messages from ifup saying lo and eth0 are already configured Feb 13 18:56:10 ifconfig produces no output at that point Feb 13 18:56:22 i have to either "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" or simply "reboot" for them to come up Feb 13 19:02:50 koen: ping Feb 13 19:03:25 doesn't look like any other init.d script is touching networking though.. Feb 13 19:10:33 who all is at Android Builders Summit? Feb 13 19:22:50 jkridner__: me me me, oh wait, not me Feb 13 19:23:23 pfefferz was definitely the most animated in the keynote panel today. :( Feb 13 19:23:25 er, :) Feb 13 19:23:33 :-D Feb 13 19:26:41 pfefferz animated? Feb 13 19:27:57 i can hear it now....... "coming soon to a film festival near you: Steampunk Zach........ one man's destiny to make linux run on steam powered computers....." Feb 13 19:28:31 <_av500_> assuming the steam servers are up and running Feb 13 19:28:39 <_av500_> and you paid your steam bill Feb 13 19:33:07 koen: you use avrdude with the trainer board right? Feb 13 20:10:03 hello, Feb 13 20:10:07 for a week i've tried to build bootable custom kernel (for bbone), but with no luck Feb 13 20:10:25 different compilers, different sources, different configurations, but all die after "Starting kernel.." Feb 13 20:10:50 so it might be another problem and no dying kernel ;) Feb 13 20:11:15 should kernel from stock (linus) sources even boot, or do i always need a bbone-patched one? Feb 13 20:11:24 (trying to exclude some moving parts...) Feb 13 20:11:25 something like wrong (name of) serial Feb 13 20:12:03 get a config from working kernel and call make oldconfig with your self-made one Feb 13 20:12:16 tried that... Feb 13 20:12:27 with native compiler, cross compiler.. Feb 13 20:12:36 several kernel versions... :) Feb 13 20:12:42 and what did you use as console? Feb 13 20:13:22 i succeeded to install squeeze, that does it with ttyO2 and angstrom kernel that seems to use ttyO0 Feb 13 20:13:39 after starting leds go down. Feb 13 20:14:06 does not spin up external hard disk (so I assume kernel is dead, not just off console) Feb 13 20:14:31 for the leds you need heardbeat (preferable compiled in) Feb 13 20:14:43 fdio-serial comes up, but I thing it's no software but hardware thing Feb 13 20:15:08 I'v strong feeling that uboot just starts from wrong position and dies on that Feb 13 20:15:35 Checked from sources that "Starting kernel" is still uboot's message. Feb 13 20:15:46 ...just before kernel_entry() Feb 13 20:16:24 Does (Ångström 2011.x eglibc armv7a base feed) == http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/core/ipk/eglibc/armv7a/base ? Feb 13 20:17:00 I try to exclude the thing that problem is with my kernel, so is there some *stock* kernel that should boot?? Feb 13 20:17:19 (stock-source, linus-source) no need to work, just boot... Feb 13 20:17:30 which beagle? Feb 13 20:17:34 bone Feb 13 20:17:36 a4 Feb 13 20:17:53 ..R219 off :) Feb 13 20:21:09 jtag in and grab the IP Feb 13 20:22:04 I doubt that there is already a stock-kernel which supports the bone Feb 13 20:23:01 so git clone the angstrom-kernel Feb 13 20:24:23 Ok, i've mostly tested with rcnelson/linux-dev.git Feb 13 20:25:39 I bother you more and ask still couple guestions... Feb 13 20:27:55 uboot : fatloat to some address, is address hardcoded some way to kernel or can it be semi-freely selected? Feb 13 20:28:25 loaded to 0x80300000, works loaded to 0x82000000 works (if originally bootable kernel) Feb 13 20:29:39 So I made assumption that I can load it to somewhere nearabout as long as it doesn't overlap on uncompress Feb 13 20:32:26 true Feb 13 20:33:13 it now reads like you've tried a ton of changes and getting lost without remembering what you all changed ;) Feb 13 20:33:29 YES! Feb 13 20:33:39 banging my head on wall. Feb 13 20:34:07 frustrating when you can't get any grip on anything, any progress.. Feb 13 20:34:51 just start with something working and try one change after another Feb 13 20:35:32 today i got tiny step forward when i understood that rst-button just resets the processor Feb 13 20:35:42 ....but keeps memory intact Feb 13 20:36:15 intact? untouched? (non-english-native) Feb 13 20:36:52 thats how reset normally works Feb 13 20:37:16 I did need week to find it out :-) Feb 13 20:38:30 sw overwrites memory, the hw has normally no need to change memory by itself Feb 13 20:40:29 But thanks for answers, I more confidend now than on morning that I'm doing something wrong with u-boot Feb 13 20:41:59 The event that did lead me to understant rst-buttons function was that i fatloaded different kernels, but bootm ended to boot always the same. Feb 13 20:42:41 help bootm might help ;) Feb 13 20:42:52 but pushing kernel by loady/ymodem I got to boot differnt one. Feb 13 20:43:43 didn't help a much ;) Feb 13 20:44:49 if i fatload kernel-x to 0x82000000 and bootm to 0x82000000 i get kernel-y booted... Feb 13 20:45:03 that's what i need to figure out... Feb 13 20:49:51 but thank's for answers. I's bedtime for me now. Tomorrow i try to find my kernel from memory and deduce why excactly it is there. Feb 13 21:15:23 Anyone uses yocto project to build their images? Feb 13 21:42:24 <_av500_> the yoctogerians Feb 13 21:48:47  Feb 13 22:13:28 jkridner___: hey, also around this week, going to stay for elc? Feb 13 23:33:23 rsalveti, come to Salon 3, I have a cool surprise! Feb 13 23:33:39 pfefferz: haha, sure Feb 14 00:08:23 Hmmm Feb 14 00:30:47 anyone have any insight into digikey's current backordering of beaglebone's? says that should have been in 1/26 I think Feb 14 01:28:56 Now the world has gone to bedDarkness won’t engulf my head I can see by infrared How I hate the night. Feb 14 02:56:09 hi all Feb 14 02:57:25 I'm having some trouble booting :( I have a minimal package from http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/ and I can boot and see the kernel messages in the console but it hangs at.. Feb 14 02:57:29 hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory Feb 14 02:57:31 Tue Feb 14 02:48:00 UTC 2012 Feb 14 02:57:34 hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory Feb 14 02:57:45 it does get an IP although when I ping it I see.. Feb 14 02:57:48 [ 371.713195] Alignment trap in kernel: swapper (0) PC=0xc043a2d4 Instr=0xe8930003 Address=0xdf02802a FSR 0x001 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 14 02:59:56 2012