**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 28 02:59:59 2012 Feb 28 05:32:25 the gcc that bitbake builds - is that for the toolchain to build with or is being built to run on the beagle Feb 28 05:32:27 ? Feb 28 05:33:14 it makes more sense that it's the toolchain to build everything else with, but I'm new at this Feb 28 07:35:42 good morning all Feb 28 07:36:01 good morning koen Feb 28 07:36:20 how was the 1st night sleeping under the stars? Feb 28 07:37:57 under the stars? koen became a celebrity gigolo? *SCNR* Feb 28 07:38:44 LetoThe2nd: texas campfire Feb 28 07:39:12 listening to http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Campfire-Tapes-Michelle-Shocked/dp/B000001FO2 Feb 28 07:41:01 av500: hm, cover doesn't look like metal... Feb 28 07:41:38 it isn't Feb 28 07:41:50 but the YL might like it Feb 28 07:42:48 LetoThe2nd: here: http://txmetal.com/ Feb 28 07:44:29 av500: i like that one: http://txmetal.com/?controller=product&path=23&product_id=5497 Feb 28 07:45:18 LetoThe2nd: is that needed in your 'hood? Feb 28 07:46:04 av500: you know, god-emperors and especially tyrants like me always have to be careful of assasination ;) Feb 28 07:46:05 koen: http://txmetal.com/?controller=product&path=26_231&product_id=1147 Feb 28 07:47:14 wow, need that for my website: http://txmetal.com/?controller=product&path=5_32&product_id=5096 Feb 28 07:48:04 the neighbour of my parents has a similar thing on his actual site. not 'web' Feb 28 07:49:27 but it provides a certain amount of kitsch value. Feb 28 08:00:03 heh Feb 28 08:04:30 ou,please,It`s afternoon,now!good afternoon all Feb 28 08:05:17 huang: no, its morning always Feb 28 08:26:04 Hello,My minicom awalys crash or stop when I log in the linux of my beagleboard.Does anybody can help me? Feb 28 08:26:22 huang: explain Feb 28 08:26:38 and yes, minicom loves to crash Feb 28 08:26:46 you could use screen Feb 28 08:26:58 <3 screen Feb 28 08:29:37 ok,let me try it.thanks Feb 28 08:30:26 I love it when minicom crashes on random garbage on the serial line Feb 28 08:30:41 we even compiled a special version that would ignore all terminal control codes Feb 28 08:37:54 * _tasslehoff_ takes that tip and prepares to uninstall minicom Feb 28 09:40:47 ha, r-pi is so yesterday.... http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/linux-computer-the-size-of-a-thumb-drive-now-available-for-preorder.ars Feb 28 09:41:19 the AI thing with OMAP4? Feb 28 09:41:52 hmm no different Feb 28 09:43:35 let's hype! Feb 28 09:43:46 YAY! HYPE! Feb 28 09:44:00 hyper, hyper Feb 28 09:44:19 i suggest we shall call the time 2011-2012 the pi-bubble years when looking back. Feb 28 09:44:31 one would need to rob a bank to get all those goodies :( Feb 28 09:45:59 ynezz: ? Feb 28 09:46:03 $35 for the pi? Feb 28 09:46:16 that's like a cone of icecream in mountain view Feb 28 09:46:20 maybe 2 Feb 28 09:46:30 hrhr Feb 28 09:47:20 then that KDE touchpad Feb 28 09:50:03 ynezz: what would you need an underpowered android tablet for? Feb 28 09:50:18 kde? :) Feb 28 09:50:34 kde? Feb 28 09:51:00 no, just kidding, I'm resistant to all this temptations Feb 28 09:51:27 "i bought that car coz I like the color of the dashboard plastic" Feb 28 09:53:26 that candy site is so retarded Feb 28 09:53:33 can't find the specs Feb 28 09:54:07 ynezz: the specs are all the some Feb 28 09:54:14 1 or 2 A9, mali, hd Feb 28 09:54:32 I want NAND Feb 28 09:54:33 :) Feb 28 09:54:38 nand? Feb 28 09:54:41 sdcard... Feb 28 09:54:45 no way Feb 28 09:55:09 ds2: ^^^ here, somebody to start your self help group with Feb 28 09:55:12 i want xor! Feb 28 09:55:35 I NOT Feb 28 09:56:36 sdretards Feb 28 09:58:11 Manuals & How-Tos's: There is no content in this section Feb 28 09:58:25 ynezz: retarsd Feb 28 09:58:43 "it boots, ship it!" Feb 28 09:59:52 but community already has been ported to it: http://www.cstick.com/memberlist.php Feb 28 10:00:05 probably some professional scam Feb 28 10:02:34 no picture of real device, just some lame 3D mockups Feb 28 10:02:49 ynezz: look at a large usb stick Feb 28 10:02:55 I could fake it better in gimp :p Feb 28 10:03:00 sure Feb 28 10:48:27 is ynezz ds2's alter ego? Feb 28 11:03:28 <_tasslehoff_> ehci omap suggest I might have a bad cable and have given up enumeration. is there a sysfs way to reset ehci? Feb 28 11:14:42 Hello everyone! Feb 28 11:16:46 I have a question. Can I flash my program, f.e. own writen bootloader to internal memory on borad using JTAG interface? Feb 28 11:18:13 I have similar experience with LPC2138, but using KEIL and jtag. And as I know Keil doesnt support beagleboard Feb 28 11:19:50 what board? Feb 28 11:20:05 the beagle XM and the Bone have no internal flash Feb 28 11:20:09 just sdcardf Feb 28 11:20:12 beagleboard rev b4 Feb 28 11:20:20 ok, B$ has nand Feb 28 11:20:22 b$ Feb 28 11:20:24 b4 Feb 28 11:20:26 gee Feb 28 11:49:55 av500: some early xm have nand too :) Feb 28 12:01:47 hm, yummy Feb 28 12:04:09 ynezz: chewing on a nand-stick? Feb 28 12:06:48 nah, just some nandocado Feb 28 12:21:09 <_tasslehoff_> hum. can't believe I haven't seen the thread about noise on the 1.8V causing EHCI issues on C3 until now... Feb 28 12:24:31 heh, that's pretty old stuff Feb 28 12:24:43 if you're lucky you can fix it by adding a capacitor Feb 28 12:24:46 didn't work for me Feb 28 12:29:19 <_tasslehoff_> mru: yeah. I see lowering VDD2 and running the omap at lower speed could also help. Feb 28 13:43:27 that's old school. VDD2.1 is out now. Feb 28 14:33:04 Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue! Feb 28 14:33:25 oh? Feb 28 14:35:04 no. Feb 28 14:35:08 :) Feb 28 14:50:55 hmm.... rendering 100 falling snowflakes with GLES2 at just 19 fps :/ Feb 28 15:59:29 koen: initng, discuss Feb 28 16:01:45 av500: that sounds like the sound you make when biting on your own tongue Feb 28 16:02:00 its on the NAS I have here Feb 28 16:04:30 av500: their homepage feels the need to state "The project is not dead." Feb 28 16:04:36 yes Feb 28 16:04:39 cute, eh Feb 28 16:04:43 its un-dead? Feb 28 16:04:52 like a zombie-init Feb 28 16:05:12 av500: I don't want to maintain my own initsystem Feb 28 16:05:28 av500: right now >90% of the sysv initscripts in OE are custom Feb 28 16:05:41 to deal with busybox being stupid Feb 28 16:05:58 systemd doesn't rely on a shell interpreter, so I can reuse upstream Feb 28 16:05:59 * mru points at openrc Feb 28 16:06:30 koen: ok, lacie is using it for 10ys now... Feb 28 16:06:35 they call it legacy :) Feb 28 16:07:10 av500: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kings Feb 28 16:13:31 hi ... I just setup a beagleboard-xM, but on bootup Angstrom doesn't finish loading. I don't see any FAQ notes about the root cause, though. Feb 28 16:15:01 av500: isn't initng only 6 years old? Feb 28 16:16:00 no idea Feb 28 16:16:04 saw it today for the 1st time Feb 28 16:16:21 when I formatted the 4GB SD card with two partitions, the two files that I unpacked onto the Linux partition (mounted as /media/Angstrom) were Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2011.1-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 and modules-3.0.17+-r115a-beagleboard.tgz. Feb 28 16:16:23 it is what lennart stole systemd from, no ? Feb 28 16:17:03 both being the newest from www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard. Feb 28 16:21:00 Is there some package in the angstrom distribution that is a kernel module that is NOT in the kernel. I'm trying to make a .bb to compile a kernel module. I found kernel headers in sysroots//kernel. Is building it as simple as pointing the kernel module makefile to use that kernel source? Feb 28 16:21:18 But if there is a documentation or existing recipe I can look up... Feb 28 16:23:38 jwinnebeck: inherit module Feb 28 16:23:43 jwinnebeck: grep for that Feb 28 16:24:14 OK thanks I will look for that. I saw there were a lot of classes in the OpenEmbedded doc but didn't see a module one. I assume I will find a file module.bbclass? Feb 28 16:24:33 n/m I will look, or grep for recipies using as you say Feb 28 16:26:05 found it thanks koen Feb 28 16:28:34 has anyone ever tried cross compiling omapfbplay? Feb 28 16:29:04 mru has for sure Feb 28 16:45:18 compiles fine, but when I try running it it says Decoder '(null)' not found. Feb 28 16:45:54 yeah I second that thanks koen, I've wanted to know a better way to do this for a while Feb 28 16:46:05 if I compile stuff on the board it works fine though Feb 28 16:49:01 quebec just got a nice little earth quake, anybody here there? Feb 28 16:49:49 M4.0 Feb 28 16:51:56 Hello Feb 28 16:52:28 Just opened up the box and plugged in my first BeagleBone :) Feb 28 16:54:51 Can anyone tell me where to find the default root passwd and other default users/passwords? Feb 28 16:57:50 default root pw is empty Feb 28 16:58:16 "alpine" or "dottie" Feb 28 16:59:24 try hunter2 Feb 28 16:59:40 hmm Feb 28 16:59:47 * SilicaGel wonders if this meme is known in these circles Feb 28 16:59:53 \o Feb 28 17:00:06 see: http://bash.org/?244321 Feb 28 17:01:32 lol Feb 28 17:01:37 @ that hahahha Feb 28 17:02:00 good one Feb 28 17:07:15 SilicaGel: well known, I'm sure. Feb 28 17:07:42 HAHAH wow, nice... hunter2 Feb 28 17:08:14 ******* ? what are you guys talking about? Feb 28 17:16:23 SilicaGel: LMFAO Feb 28 17:16:38 i can get lost in bash.org for hours Feb 28 17:16:45 it's like candy Feb 28 17:17:02 exploring now Feb 28 17:19:50 SilicaGel: just searched my name and nothing came up, so thats good. Feb 28 17:23:59 yeah Feb 28 18:20:50 Boy, that NXP LPC4300 looks nifty Feb 28 18:21:06 asymmetrical dual core Feb 28 18:21:09 best of both worlds Feb 28 18:21:19 super low power M0 for supervisory stuff or whatever Feb 28 18:21:24 M4 for profit! Feb 28 18:22:55 the LPC4300 dev board is a bit expensive though at $370ish bucks Feb 28 18:23:05 or maybe I'm just cheap Feb 28 18:23:23 only 5 beaglebones Feb 28 18:23:32 exactly Feb 28 18:23:43 no that's expensive Feb 28 18:23:48 the chip is $9 in qty1 Feb 28 18:24:03 am335x is $5 :) Feb 28 18:24:09 yeah in qty1000 Feb 28 18:24:09 right Feb 28 18:24:12 no qty100,000 ! Feb 28 18:24:13 !!! Feb 28 18:26:28 The Raspberry Pi Foundation will be making a big (and very positive) announcement that just might interest you at 0600h GMT on Wednesday 29 February 2012 Feb 28 18:26:29 :/ Feb 28 18:26:45 saw that, i assume the shop will be open Feb 28 18:26:51 the suspense is worse than movies Feb 28 18:27:12 yeah i think so too .... Feb 28 18:27:16 bad movies Feb 28 18:27:33 the kind of movies where the aliens seem benvolent at first, but they are JUST ABOUT to show their true evil intentions AND WE ALL DIE Feb 28 18:27:40 I was excited about the cortex a8 3.5 years ago Feb 28 18:27:45 well no the kind of movies Feb 28 18:27:51 I fail to get excited about an arm11 right now Feb 28 18:27:57 koen: me too Feb 28 18:28:03 where america newyork california etc are attacked first Feb 28 18:28:08 all godzilla armageddon etc Feb 28 18:28:12 begin and end there Feb 28 18:28:36 I'd be excited to find a 2.1mm x 5.5mm right angle surface mount DC power connector right about now, though. Feb 28 18:28:43 america : more specifcially newyork california Feb 28 18:29:08 i think this raspberry pi has alot of hype around it Feb 28 18:29:17 and it will slowly fade away ... :/ Feb 28 18:30:13 leaving us ... to RULE THE WORLD ... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Feb 28 18:34:54 jwinnebeck is assisting me in figuring out how this module building thing works, at which time I will try to omap_pm_register a timer and see if I get undecipherable numerical errors like that character on the mailing list did Feb 28 18:34:56 well a guy on the mailing list made a possibly valid point that RPi is good for everyone Feb 28 18:35:11 that guy might have been drunk Feb 28 18:35:12 we're not sure Feb 28 18:35:19 in that people will try RPi and enter into ARM embedded GNU/Linux world, and maybe want something more powerful and step up to bone Feb 28 18:37:27 looks like the smallest stellaris is in a 20 pin package. It has a whopping 1KB of rom an 128B of ram. Feb 28 18:37:58 jwinnebeck: agreed Feb 28 18:38:09 I think that is the only good that would come off it Feb 28 18:38:23 although to be honest I think if I was going to get an arm system it would not be the bone Feb 28 18:38:27 not for personal use anywy Feb 28 18:38:37 I would really need to have HDMI with audio Feb 28 18:38:45 so there are other boards of course Feb 28 18:38:48 including beagleboard obviously Feb 28 18:39:16 But for what we are looking at now the bone is perfect so far Feb 28 18:39:17 speaking of which someone needs to make a composite video input or video input of somekind to the beagle -.- Feb 28 18:39:24 its been a while this has been lingering on Feb 28 18:40:49 Has anyone else seen kworker wake up too often and consume the CPU, when doing output to the USB port on BeagleBone? It happens to be on both Angstrom and Arch Linux. Feb 28 18:41:05 Driver module 'cppi41_dma' seems to be the source of the wakeups Feb 28 18:41:56 that's the usb dma Feb 28 18:44:08 yes Feb 28 18:44:28 I play an audio file out to my USB headphones and kworker take 98% of cpu time Feb 28 18:44:53 ISO tranfers are a bitch Feb 28 18:45:16 "ISO"? Feb 28 18:56:36 <_av500_> isosynchronous Feb 28 19:05:08 anyone seen bitbake fail when it runs into assignments like: foo = bar ---- instead of foo = "bar" ? Feb 28 19:05:58 yes Feb 28 19:06:04 learn to quote :) Feb 28 19:06:11 ~.~ Feb 28 19:07:16 figured out my problem with compiling omapfbplay.. seems the order of linkage matters wit it o.O Feb 28 19:07:51 koen: now be nice :) Feb 28 19:08:21 mranostay: nah Feb 28 19:09:12 koen: here I was thinking that I've quoting your work Feb 28 19:10:22 I'm running into this problem with the meta-ti recipes Feb 28 19:12:06 I think he means isochronous Feb 28 19:13:02 But why does kworker get woken up 1200 times per second? Feb 28 19:16:57 I ran 'powertop' to find that out Feb 28 19:23:53 thurbad: can you elaborate on that? is there something I should fix? Feb 28 19:24:46 nah, I was including the player in another app, in an eclipse project Feb 28 19:25:34 it didn't occur to me that the order of magic-head/magic-tail and the files between was critical Feb 28 19:26:00 * mranostay waves to mru Feb 28 19:26:08 but it kept coming back with a message of Decoder '(null)' not found Feb 28 19:26:08 hehe Feb 28 19:26:58 decided to finally give up on compiling on the board.... Feb 28 19:27:22 cross compiling ftw? :) Feb 28 19:27:45 yeah, once I figured out how to link all the libraries I needed Feb 28 19:28:32 * mranostay notes his company issued Window's desktop is a good footrest Feb 28 19:30:57 Mojito: probably to keep the dma buffer full Feb 28 19:32:03 Well, it renders the device pretty unusable. Feb 28 19:32:21 could be an issue with the default buffer size being too small Feb 28 19:33:25 I looked at the ref manual. There is 32KB of buffer space available, which has to be allocated among the (up to) 15 USB endpoints. I don't know how the linux driver chooses to do that Feb 28 19:33:36 rand() Feb 28 19:33:59 lol Feb 28 19:34:17 The overhead in waking up the kworker process is probably way more than the actual work it does Feb 28 19:35:21 Mojito: poorly written driver? Feb 28 19:35:51 Let;s; see. 16kHz mono audio at 16 bits per sample. About 128 kB/sec Feb 28 19:37:06 My thought was, after looking at the driver code in cppi41_dma, that this was written before the am33x devices came out, and maybe needs revision Feb 28 19:40:23 Ultimately I want to be using Bluetooth, not a USB headset, for this audio connection. But those interface via USB as well. Feb 28 19:40:45 But perhaps it is the audio driver that is at fault (I am using ALSA) rather than the DMA part Feb 28 19:42:06 well of course your are using ALSA Feb 28 19:42:10 what else is there? :) Feb 28 19:42:20 oss? lol Feb 28 19:42:24 blaming the dma is generally a good bet Feb 28 19:42:55 cppi41_dma is not particularly complicated code, but it has practically no comments in it. Feb 28 19:43:05 what is a cppi41 please Feb 28 19:43:09 Copyrights say TI wrote it to start with Feb 28 19:43:18 It is the low level USB DMA driver Feb 28 19:46:25 Oren was right, all of a sudden it would seem that bitbake expects quoted arguments Feb 28 19:47:44 And stuff in meta-ti fail Feb 28 20:23:33 Hello everyone, I just got my first beagle bone, never had a beagle product before, does anyone have some good recommendations on places to find documentation on it, are there any useful libraries and such? Feb 28 21:11:41 hello Feb 28 21:12:49 Can anyone tell me which ARCH to chose when compiling projects for the beaglebone in CCS? Feb 28 21:16:35 no matter what I do the executeble just says Killed when I run them Feb 28 21:20:15 huh Feb 28 21:20:37 bububu Feb 28 21:29:16 that was a nice netsplit Feb 28 21:31:44 I remember IRC in the 90s on efnet was netsplits all day long Feb 28 21:32:45 jwinnebeck: ok you old timer :P Feb 28 21:33:42 Can someone help me, I keep getting "Killed" when running exes build in CCS on the beaglebone?? Feb 28 21:35:29 Dacobi: sounds like a issue for the police Feb 28 21:36:01 ask detective dmesg what he thinks Feb 28 21:36:11 and rather wear helmet Feb 28 21:37:05 dmesg dosen't say anything Feb 28 21:37:30 mru: one troll at a time please :P Feb 28 21:37:38 gdb says: During startup program terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed. Feb 28 21:38:34 mranostay: that was actually a genuine suggestion Feb 28 21:38:49 Dacobi: exes? this isn't Windows is it? :) Feb 28 21:39:01 mranostay: now who's trolling? Feb 28 21:41:21 If I say programs instead of exes will someone say something usefull? Feb 28 21:42:20 touche Feb 28 21:43:11 Dacobi: can you get any more information from gdb? Feb 28 21:43:44 also try echo 1 >/proc/sys/kernel/print-fatal-signals Feb 28 21:43:50 then see if dmesg tells anything Feb 28 21:50:39 still nothing from dmesg.. Feb 28 21:51:14 the only useful gdb command I know is bt but there is no stack since the program is killed during startup :-/ Feb 28 21:51:39 _that_ early? Feb 28 21:55:27 what does 'file program' says? Feb 28 21:55:57 -mthumb, discuss Feb 28 21:56:01 thumb2? Feb 28 21:58:17 thumb should not cause such errors Feb 28 21:58:27 but indeed, what does file say? Feb 28 22:00:12 I am asking on a different topic Feb 28 22:04:05 then please be a little more specific Feb 28 22:04:16 :) Feb 28 22:08:07 test2.out: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped Feb 28 22:11:11 Crofton|work: the -mthumb one is a relic from armv5te days in OE Feb 28 22:11:29 yeah Feb 28 22:11:37 does the compiler default to thumb2? Feb 28 22:11:44 no Feb 28 22:11:51 ah Feb 28 22:11:56 -mthumb2 Feb 28 22:12:05 how much "better" is thumb2? Feb 28 22:12:08 be carefull with thumb2 Feb 28 22:12:18 early omap3 chips had some silicon issues Feb 28 22:12:28 'old' toolchains had bug issues Feb 28 22:12:35 is anything in OE spitting out thumb2? Feb 28 22:12:40 Crofton|work: thumb2 covers teh complete insn set Feb 28 22:12:45 I dont know if it is important but when linking I get this warning: warning #10247-D: creating output section ".sysmem" without a SECTIONS specification Feb 28 22:12:48 not partially like thumb1 Feb 28 22:47:28 <_av500_> Crofton|work: basically, one thumb on each ARM Feb 28 22:48:17 _av500_, thansk that clears everything up Feb 28 22:48:58 <_av500_> Crofton|work: all of android is thumb compiled afaik Feb 28 22:49:07 <_av500_> so it must be good Feb 28 22:49:11 thumb, or thumb2 Feb 28 22:49:22 <_av500_> 2 i guess Feb 28 22:49:29 * Crofton|work hopes Feb 28 22:51:20 <_av500_> i remember in 2001 i struggled with CCS to have a mixed thumb/unthumb project Feb 29 00:01:24 hi snowrichard Feb 29 00:52:44 are there known issues with linux-omap 3.2 and i2c with the omap 3530? (Beagleboard C4). I2c-2 is not showing up and there are no errors or other messages logged anywhere. dmesg reports the successful identification of omap_i2c.1 and omap_i2c.3 Feb 29 01:13:08 Crofton|work: gcc -mthumb will generate thumb2 if the given -march/-mcpu supports it Feb 29 01:30:05 ah, so there is no thumb/thumb2 selection Feb 29 02:06:10 I have now put some extra printk's into the omap_i2c bus driver, and it's never probing for the 2nd bus. Is there someway I can force it? Where else can I look to find out how it's probing the i2c busses? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 29 02:59:58 2012