**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 16 02:59:58 2012 Mar 16 05:01:20 boris sure has been busy today Mar 16 05:06:04 doing gpio's through userspace interface always seemed so inefficient to me Mar 16 05:06:17 string lookups and context switches and such Mar 16 05:26:37 where is boris today? Mar 16 06:17:27 i just got a beagleboard and i need help booting linux on it. I'm really a beginner so i don't really know which files to download on the SD card Mar 16 06:19:00 and how to partition the SD card (i read somewhere that the SD card need to be partitioned and i don't know how to do that). Mar 16 06:24:59 you might want to start and check if you got a beagleboard or beagleboardXM Mar 16 06:25:23 i have a beagleboard Mar 16 06:35:56 hi friends i have a problem Mar 16 06:36:09 any one here to help? Mar 16 06:38:52 Hmmrgh. Mar 16 06:38:54 hi... anyone here? Mar 16 06:42:10 hello tasselhoff Mar 16 06:45:57 can anyone help me boot linux on the beagleboard? Mar 16 06:48:52 <_tasslehoff_> morning Mar 16 06:50:11 hello Mar 16 07:20:44 * mranostay does something he should have done two hours ago Mar 16 07:20:48 * mranostay goes to sleep.... Mar 16 13:07:55 good grief, so i took a vacation day today Mar 16 13:08:05 and so far I have gotten 9 Campus Alert messages about a gunman on campus Mar 16 13:08:31 which i'm sure will just turn out to be somebody walking with broomstick or something Mar 16 13:08:38 lol Mar 16 13:09:05 SilicaSolid: or it is you loitering around on campus.... Mar 16 13:09:10 nope i'm not even there!!! Mar 16 13:09:14 hehe Mar 16 13:09:18 Not THIS time! Mar 16 13:09:47 the alert went to my work email, home email, home phone, cell phone voice, and cell phone sms Mar 16 13:09:49 "what you mean there's a wrong-way driver, there's hundreds...." Mar 16 13:09:54 gunman, perhaps without bullets Mar 16 13:09:55 it said "STAY IN PLACE" and "BARRICADE DOORS" Mar 16 13:10:28 that counts only 5 :) Mar 16 13:10:37 haha Mar 16 13:10:41 ok it's actually 15 then Mar 16 13:10:48 3 x 5 Mar 16 13:10:50 SilicaSolid: and now people in the starbuck are looking strangely at you? Mar 16 13:10:51 because it was 5 methods, but 3 actual alerts, each one more urgent than the next Mar 16 13:10:56 for lying under the table? Mar 16 13:12:04 might have been a drill or or something.. Mar 16 13:13:31 STAY IN PLACE? thats a bad idea... what if you were just 2 feet before the gunman Mar 16 13:13:50 sundar: hold the door in front of you Mar 16 13:14:26 i wouldn't take chances to hold on to a plastic door :) Mar 16 13:14:28 SilicaGel, where are you? Mar 16 13:14:37 Crofton|work: virginia tech of course Mar 16 13:14:42 heh Mar 16 13:14:53 that sort of warning applies to anywhere in AMerica Mar 16 13:15:02 there is always someone with a gun nearby Mar 16 13:15:20 perhaps silicaSolid himself Mar 16 13:15:28 remember, its not guns that kill people .... it's bullets Mar 16 13:16:11 so it was actually bullet man hmm Mar 16 13:16:28 I'm sure it's possible to beat a man to death with a gun Mar 16 13:16:45 Sorta. In NYS though it's not allowed on education facilities even if they are private Mar 16 13:16:50 or a broomstick for that matter Mar 16 13:16:56 and it's actually not bullets, ...it's velocity .. velocity should be outlawed Mar 16 13:17:19 remind me again how fast the earth is orbiting the sun Mar 16 13:17:29 mru: at an unlawful speed Mar 16 13:17:30 av500: you forgot, distance and time Mar 16 13:17:52 sundar: we will outlaw them all, right after evolution! Mar 16 13:19:35 evolution of mankind? Mar 16 13:21:30 hello Mar 16 13:21:52 theres a gunman in this channel, beware! Mar 16 13:21:58 oh man Mar 16 13:22:00 I was so close: Mar 16 13:22:02 http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Gunman-Spotted-Outside-RIT-Dorm/FFuEEtsmzUyWddJH27o1Lw.cspx Mar 16 13:22:51 thats Rochester...what do expect? Mar 16 13:23:14 hehehehe hey it's not as rainy as seattle Mar 16 13:23:47 lol it was only an umbrella Mar 16 13:23:48 openly carrying an umbrella like that should require a permit Mar 16 13:23:57 see what harm it can do! Mar 16 13:23:58 did anyone of you ever think of building your own beagleboard? Mar 16 13:24:00 Authorities found the student and determined there was no threat to public safety. Mar 16 13:24:09 America Mar 16 13:24:24 sundar: I bet this student's life is still f*cked forever Mar 16 13:24:47 yeah, there was a man with an umbrella in Roanoke last year Mar 16 13:24:50 for giving SilicaSolid the goosebumps atleast Mar 16 13:25:11 you know who I bet it was? The pengiun Mar 16 13:25:17 it was both an umbrella AND a gun Mar 16 13:25:41 gunbrella Mar 16 13:25:53 lol Mar 16 13:26:17 av500: it's actually momentum that kills, think about all the innocent neutrinos traveling from CERN to Italy Mar 16 13:26:19 dont confuse it with an umbrun Mar 16 13:26:40 jannau: they also broke some laws, didnt they? Mar 16 13:27:00 but they got caught! Mar 16 13:27:12 neutrinos, forgive me if that is not a vitamin present in beers Mar 16 13:27:43 try to go 60ns faster than Ma nature allows and you get busted! Mar 16 13:28:46 for nano speeding? Mar 16 13:28:58 av500: they didn't broke the ultimative speed limit, the polic^Wphysicists had broken speed traps Mar 16 13:29:35 jannau: I argue that to the officer every time.... Mar 16 13:32:11 av500: you need someone to argue for you. Einstein did successfully for the Neutrinos Mar 16 13:32:31 cops would not let me use the phone... Mar 16 13:37:23 I hear that if you make a phone call to the LHC, the phone there starts rining before you finish dialing. Mar 16 13:50:21 hhey just a quick question to be sure; it is save to hook up the usb and my 5v power supply at the same time to the beaglebone, right? Mar 16 13:50:58 yes Mar 16 13:51:13 thanks, mru! Mar 16 13:58:59 Anyone has scoops about the FPGA cape of the bone? Mar 16 13:59:21 What are the latest news Mar 16 14:46:22 hello! i am trying to use some old wireless keyboard but failing on BB rev c5... should i really use hardwired one? Mar 16 14:47:48 or could it be a problem of something else? for example, u-boot does not support some kind of keyboards.. or something... Mar 16 14:48:12 pilote: what kind of wireless keyboard? Mar 16 14:48:17 RF, BT, etc Mar 16 14:48:20 RF Mar 16 14:48:40 Logitech.. one.. it is working with laptop of course Mar 16 14:48:48 I don't think u-boot supprots usb keyboards Mar 16 14:48:54 but it should work fine in linux Mar 16 14:49:22 also after boot not able to use Mar 16 14:49:38 using angstrom.. Mar 16 14:49:57 mru: actually it does :) Mar 16 14:50:37 does it support omap3 ehci too? Mar 16 14:50:51 and is the keyboard connected through a hub? Mar 16 14:51:13 not through hub. i will check if it support omap3 ehci Mar 16 14:51:22 you must use a hub Mar 16 14:51:31 the beagle usb port is high-speed only Mar 16 14:51:39 keyboards are not high-speed Mar 16 14:52:13 ah! i didnt know. Mar 16 14:52:49 then, it should be fixed if i use a hub also in linux? Mar 16 14:53:01 yes Mar 16 14:53:14 wow that is great! thank u very much! Mar 16 15:17:35 Hey what is a comfortable way to have a serial console running on one of the UARTs? I`m using cat and echo in two terminal windows, but that`s not doing it any longer :) Mar 16 15:17:54 ? Mar 16 15:20:44 i tried `screen /dev/ttyO1 9600` but that is kinda wierd... it doesn`t show what I type Mar 16 15:20:54 try 115200 instead Mar 16 15:20:59 yeah Mar 16 15:21:16 unless you have a PDP11 Mar 16 15:21:27 nah it`s the right baud rate (I have an XBee hooked to UART1) Mar 16 15:21:31 several of my machines run 9600 by default Mar 16 15:21:36 and they are not pdp at all Mar 16 15:22:00 I just can`t see what I type, and the output is allways in the same line Mar 16 15:22:20 maybe the xbee does not echo back? Mar 16 15:22:26 then enable local echo Mar 16 15:22:43 and maybe it does not CR/LF Mar 16 15:23:05 ATE1 :) Mar 16 15:23:54 pilote: the older BB's need a 2.0 hub for 1.0 devices Mar 16 15:24:22 * djlewis didnt scroll down far enough Mar 16 15:24:31 Hi All, I'm having some trouble connecting to my beaglebone. It's running the Angrstom Linux Dist that ships with it. Previously, I was able to ssh and connect directly to using the tty port. Are there any standard debug methods that are more than turning it on and off? Mar 16 15:24:49 how does one debug by truning on and off? Mar 16 15:25:25 hello, djlewis. fortunately i had old usb hub so it is working good :) thanks! Mar 16 15:25:25 you're right, I suppose i meant other methods of trying to connect and rebooting Mar 16 15:25:37 av500: one can debug the power supply and switch ;) Mar 16 15:25:57 pilote: how did the serial thingy work out? Mar 16 15:26:22 oh, yes yesterday. i just came up here and left the result. Mar 16 15:26:27 it is now works very well Mar 16 15:26:31 I am getting power. LED 0 is blinking quite rapidly Mar 16 15:26:38 sorry, I missed that, I'll look at the logs Mar 16 15:26:58 that was a nice work around :) thank you for the help Mar 16 15:27:12 i still have to go further x 2. Mar 16 15:28:15 When I connect using screen the terminal is blank. I never receive any prompt from the beaglebone Mar 16 15:28:39 i am now using tv for the main screen.. i can see something. but not clear enough to read letters.. Mar 16 15:29:06 mhh seems like screen can`t be configured to work nicely with the xbee... Mar 16 15:29:13 i am thinking maybe if i change resolution and refresh rate.. on dss2 driver.. maybe get it.. but not sure.. Mar 16 15:29:20 how do you think? Mar 16 15:29:40 av500 was right, it doesnt CR/LF Mar 16 15:30:44 is that a setting of the port? (stty) Mar 16 15:32:14 pilote: some common settings: http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/changing-the-display-resolution.html Mar 16 15:32:30 (only just learned about stty, will try it) Mar 16 15:33:23 cool, i will go for it now! Mar 16 15:33:42 Ah, I'm getting a kernel panic. http://pastebin.com/nFSHTrxc I recently upgraded the Angstrom Linux distro that ships with the BeagleBone Mar 16 15:34:13 jouz, here is a pretty standard setting: `stty -F /dev/ttyO1 115200 -cstobp pass8 raw` Mar 16 15:34:48 it's a what you expect kinda setting Mar 16 15:35:31 s/cstobp/cstopb/ Mar 16 15:36:16 quasiben have you copied the new image to the boot partition after upgrading kernel? Mar 16 15:41:15 jouz: no, I just found the google group suggesting that: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/0325af8b281f6a69?pli=1 Mar 16 15:42:37 jouz is there a way to do that without mounting the sd_card on another computer? Mar 16 15:43:07 quasiben, i was about to suggest doing exactly that :/ Mar 16 15:45:07 sry I have to go. I don`t think you can do anything about it without accessing the sd card remotely... maybe using this Uboot thing? im no expert Mar 16 15:45:26 Oh well, thanks for the help Mar 16 15:47:08 hey Mar 16 16:26:25 out-o-here for a while Mar 16 16:26:34 we'll hold fort Mar 16 16:26:53 :) Mar 16 16:41:33 av500: that's an awful lot of responsibility Mar 16 16:42:23 you'll manage Mar 16 16:55:39 wait...i didn't sign for any responsibility... what kind of channel is this? :) Mar 16 16:59:45 mranostay: its opt-out and the fine print is tiny Mar 16 17:03:43 its opt-out ? Mar 16 17:03:57 * ogra_ always read the fineprint as beg-out Mar 16 17:04:06 (on your knees !) Mar 16 17:33:35 what file should I download on this link http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ to update the demo in the SD card? I use windows on my pc and win32 disk imager Mar 16 17:34:44 starater: there is a good chance your sd card might be the later Mar 16 17:35:48 starater: which board do you have? Mar 16 17:35:59 When I insert the SD card on my pc, windows says that I need to format it before I can use it, is it normal? Mar 16 17:36:04 beaglebone A3 Mar 16 17:37:07 starater: visit beagleboard.org and do some research ;) Mar 16 17:37:28 windows and linux fs are not the same Mar 16 17:38:56 I would like to update the image on the SD card, I watched on one youtube video, a guy says that win32 disk imager is used for updating the a linux on a SD card Mar 16 17:39:41 but I am not sure which file on the webpage do I need to download Mar 16 17:39:55 and upload to the SD card through the program Mar 16 17:40:52 beagleboard's webpage seems like to be prepared for experienced people, not for starters :( Mar 16 17:41:35 do I need to download "Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.02-core-beaglebone-2012.02.14.img.xz " on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ ? Mar 16 17:52:25 starater: have a linux desktop handy? Mar 16 18:04:23 why beaglebone comes with ångström system, why not ubuntu? Mar 16 18:05:01 starter: because beagleboard.org does not pay canonical to put ubuntu on the bone Mar 16 18:06:28 thanks Mar 16 18:09:46 heh Mar 16 18:10:30 hahahha whoever was here this morning for the "gun on campus": http://i.imgur.com/Ul5kz.jpg Mar 16 18:16:56 heh Mar 16 18:22:26 <_av500_> kids, no respect Mar 16 18:31:56 jkridner_: morning boris Mar 16 18:41:20 what ubuntu image is suitable for beaglebone? Mar 16 18:44:33 what ubuntu image is suitable for beaglebone? Mar 16 18:46:34 hi all, how can i remove splash screen of beagle-xm? Mar 16 18:57:06 run a more recent u-boot Mar 16 19:05:00 which ubuntu is suitable for beaglebone, omap3 or omap4 image? Mar 16 19:06:59 starter, omap3 Mar 16 19:07:16 but I'm not sure if the kernel will work on the Bone... Mar 16 19:07:34 I believe it's more targeted at the xM Mar 16 19:08:35 do you know if there is any ubuntu image for eaglebone? Mar 16 19:09:03 or is there any another linux image for beaglebone apart from angstrom's distribution? Mar 16 19:11:22 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu on here it says ubuntu also supports beaglebone or do I misunderstand it? Mar 16 19:16:26 would you suggest me to load "Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.02-core-beaglebone-2012.02.14.img.xz " image on the SD card? Mar 16 19:30:07 starter_: i recommend you get more SD cards and save your original so you have something to fall back to if there are problems. Mar 16 19:30:16 when I connect the SD card to my pc, I get that error "you need to format the disk in drive F: before you can use it" is it normal to get such error for the first time? Mar 16 19:30:34 starter_: are you a bot? Mar 16 19:30:50 no Mar 16 19:31:16 starter_: read the info just below the files list on that download page. Mar 16 19:32:42 starter_: titled "To the BeagleBone Beginner" Mar 16 19:33:36 starter_: please have a look at: http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm Mar 16 20:08:19 the capacity of my SD card on beaglebone is 70.4 MB when I check it on the pc. However 4GB is written on the SD card. Why do I see 70.4 MB as the capacity, is something wrong with my SD card or is it normal? Mar 16 20:13:20 starter_: did you get a chance to review my last two links for you? Mar 16 20:14:12 no I could not see the links Mar 16 20:14:47 my connection is not stable, I guess I had already disconnected when you posted them Mar 16 20:14:58 could you please paste them again? Mar 16 20:17:38 (02:32:41 PM) djlewis: starter_: titled "To the BeagleBone Beginner" Mar 16 20:17:39 (02:33:35 PM) djlewis: starter_: please have a look at: http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm Mar 16 20:18:25 starterer_: first: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ Mar 16 20:18:28 djlewis: thank you very much for your responses and suggestions Mar 16 20:18:57 may I ask one more question? Mar 16 20:19:32 the capacity of the SD card is shown as 70.4 MB, is something wrong with it or is it normal? Mar 16 20:20:12 is that the boot partition, or the whole drive? Mar 16 20:21:15 I guess it is the whole drive, because there is no another partition when I insert the card Mar 16 20:21:44 in windows/mac, or linux? Mar 16 20:21:51 I am using windows Mar 16 20:21:53 7 Mar 16 20:22:20 windows only shows the first partition on an SD card Mar 16 20:22:49 okay, thank you for the information:) Mar 16 20:23:37 also the second partition should be formatted as ext-3 or there abouts, which windows and mac don't recognize without additional drivers Mar 16 20:24:46 I got it, thank you very much again Mar 16 20:51:56 So, quick question...if I have an SD card that I used with my BeagleBoard xM running Angstrom, how much alteration will it need to get up and running on an original BeagleBoard? Mar 16 20:56:12 Shouldn't need any Mar 16 20:56:18 You can use the same kernel and u-boot and all that Mar 16 20:57:32 zilch Mar 16 20:57:45 other then getting a adapter to go from uSD to full SD Mar 16 20:59:02 Mkay, that's what I was hoping/thinking Mar 16 20:59:12 Sweet, yeah I have an adapter that I've been using already Mar 16 20:59:15 Thanks :) Mar 16 21:06:07 another happy camper :) Mar 16 21:12:00 Well, my general disposition is rather annoyed at the difficulty of accessing McBSP1 and 3 and how much they seem to love blowing up on me...but yes, happy about the compatibility aspect :P Mar 16 21:13:14 yeah, I can relate, I get annoyed that I am not independently wealthy. Mar 16 21:14:14 Is this general room apropriate for usb driver questions, or is there a more specific place here? Mar 16 21:14:19 save your snot, Biodegradable Transistor made from Blood, Milk & Mucus Mar 16 21:14:43 rathomas: go for it :) Mar 16 21:14:54 <_av500_> rathomas: we hate all kinds of usb drivers here Mar 16 21:15:00 <_av500_> so we can hate yours too Mar 16 21:15:04 lol Mar 16 21:15:21 rathomas: unless you will write us a better one :) Mar 16 21:15:24 nice.. Mar 16 21:16:16 I'm just tring to get the Arduino to be recognised in dmesg, looks like I need the cdc-acm kernel mod Mar 16 21:16:49 im running latest img Mar 16 21:16:58 from angstrom Mar 16 21:19:53 opkg does not find the this kernel module file, it shows only having a dep for kernel-3.0.23+ Mar 16 21:21:18 bueler anyone... you guys have that driver build for me yet. :) Mar 16 21:29:08 rathomas: did you try a opkg grep with partial file name? Mar 16 21:29:36 sometimes things get different name Mar 16 21:30:06 yeah.. opkg update; opkg list | grep acm Mar 16 21:30:35 <_av500_> i dont think the package is called anything acm Mar 16 21:30:42 <_av500_> grep for "modules" Mar 16 21:36:33 hmm.. kernel-module-cdc-acm Mar 16 21:42:04 emeb: hi, long time bud :) Mar 16 21:48:13 djlewis: hey dude. Yeah - I've been head down in the day job(s) lately. Mar 16 21:48:26 Lurking but not paying close attention. Mar 16 21:48:34 oh, that getting filthy rich stuff again ;) Mar 16 21:49:59 * djlewis is ready for the weekend, fix 7 laptops and one car dash this afternoon. Mar 16 21:50:02 Heh. Hardly. Mar 16 21:51:49 Sounds like you're keeping busy too. Mar 16 21:53:43 _av500_: wow you were helpful and not trolling Mar 16 21:53:57 friday put you in good mood? :) Mar 16 21:54:11 <_av500_> guards, grab him! Mar 16 21:57:54 djlewis: just 7 laptops?! that's it? Mar 16 21:57:56 :) Mar 16 21:58:33 <_av500_> win7 Mar 16 22:05:04 ds2: well, what can its Friday and I am in a get my arse out the door mood :) Mar 16 22:05:35 ds2: you left off the car dash repair Mar 16 22:05:45 djlewis: you could do a half as job on 14 laptops ;) Mar 16 22:06:26 djlewis: do you get any half working Asus net books in? Mar 16 22:08:04 <_av500_> as door stops? Mar 16 22:08:46 nah too light Mar 16 22:09:15 <_av500_> screen doors Mar 16 22:09:26 flops too much Mar 16 22:09:40 <_av500_> skeet shooting? Mar 16 22:10:07 sounds like an idea Mar 16 22:10:15 and they are RoHS so it must be safe ;) Mar 16 22:11:26 no, you might hit the battery Mar 16 22:13:16 <_av500_> and? Mar 16 22:13:22 <_av500_> they dont explode any more Mar 16 22:13:32 <_av500_> and exploding might be just the right thing here Mar 16 22:15:40 _av500_: short the terminals and they still will :P Mar 16 22:15:44 _av500_: they dont explode on their own anymore Mar 16 22:16:03 no, shorting it won't Mar 16 22:16:13 the protection circuit should handle shorts Mar 16 22:16:36 <_av500_> even without Mar 16 22:16:51 <_av500_> we tried hard to make them explode, no dice Mar 16 22:16:53 we all use protected cells so that is a moot point ;) Mar 16 22:17:05 * djlewis watched a youtube of these guys microwaving one Mar 16 22:17:37 <_av500_> but they do output a lof of current that can make other stuff hot Mar 16 22:18:23 besides, it is only lithium Mar 16 22:18:23 I have a little li-poly for my robot that supplies a 25A surge Mar 16 22:18:40 now if it was a Potassium Ion cell.... Mar 16 22:18:54 battery is designed for model helicopters Mar 16 22:19:01 <_av500_> or a matter-antimatter combiner Mar 16 22:19:14 do I hear flux capacitor Mar 16 22:19:18 er Mar 16 22:19:21 isn't that DILithium? :) Mar 16 22:19:50 <_av500_> not SOLithium? Mar 16 22:19:50 well they do quick charge from natural elements Mar 16 22:20:21 * djlewis ponders if lightning is considered a natural element.. Mar 16 22:20:41 not on the element table :( Mar 16 22:31:31 in the first time usage of a beaglebone, how do I suppose to find beaglebone's IP address when I connect it to the Ethernet interface of my pc? Mar 16 22:32:10 ahem google Mar 16 22:34:24 if you're doing ics, I don't think windows hands out ip's to connected machines Mar 16 22:36:59 ics, windows?! eh? Mar 16 22:37:08 I don't have the internet connection when I connect pc and beaglebone as my pc has only one ethernet port Mar 16 22:37:12 does ics even come with a dhcp server? Mar 16 22:37:47 and wouldn't rowboat/gb be better on the bone for now? Mar 16 22:39:02 so you're just trying to do an adhoc network between two machines? Mar 16 22:39:09 yeah Mar 16 22:39:27 do you have a crossover ethernet cable? Mar 16 22:39:30 in that case, how do I suppose to discover the IP of beaglebone Mar 16 22:40:35 generally you just assign compatible ip's manally Mar 16 22:40:43 I just checked it, it is not a cross cable Mar 16 22:42:12 I use the cable to connect pc and modem, but the order of colors on the ethernet cables are identical on the both ends Mar 16 22:42:34 in that case, do I need to find a cross cable? Mar 16 22:43:11 or the cable that I use to connect pc and modem should be fine? Mar 16 22:43:15 I've always done adhoc network with crossover Mar 16 22:44:53 I will try to find a cross cable here. when I connect them through the cross cable, how can I discover beaglebone's IP? Mar 16 22:45:22 assign it manually Mar 16 22:46:01 crossover cables are meaningless anymore Mar 16 22:46:20 any modern nic should be able to handle switching Mar 16 22:47:34 when I did netstat, I saw beaglebone's name but there were no IP address of it, just the physical address. Mar 16 22:47:50 how can I assign the IP to the bone? Mar 16 22:47:52 <_av500_> doesnt the bone try dhcp? Mar 16 22:47:53 manually? Mar 16 22:47:57 * thurbad makes disparaging remarks about the modernness of macbook hardware Mar 16 22:48:23 av500... adhoc network with windows on the other side Mar 16 22:48:52 no dhcp server as far as I know Mar 16 22:49:01 <_av500_> so i guess it does not get an ip Mar 16 22:49:21 <_av500_> http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/README.htm#decision Mar 16 22:49:25 it should self assign eventually Mar 16 22:49:33 <_av500_> yes Mar 16 22:50:02 but whether thats compatible with the windows side is another matter Mar 16 22:50:38 <_av500_> starter: dont you have a router that does dhcp? Mar 16 22:50:49 <_av500_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_%28software%29#Bonjour_Browser_for_Windows Mar 16 22:51:14 I dont have a router, I get the internet on the wall socket Mar 16 22:51:30 *from the wall socket Mar 16 22:51:47 it is all magic anyway Mar 16 22:52:55 <_av500_> magic socket Mar 16 22:53:32 starter what are you trying to do with the machine to machine network? Mar 16 22:54:02 I just want to connect to the beaglebone through ssh Mar 16 22:54:17 <_av500_> can you ping beaglebone.local ? Mar 16 22:54:30 <_av500_> i guess you will need to install bonjour SW for windows Mar 16 22:54:55 thank you, I am reading it Mar 16 22:55:29 the world is not right _av500_ is not trolling today Mar 16 22:55:48 can't you connect via a serial terminal? or do you specifically want ssh? Mar 16 22:56:00 <_av500_> mranostay: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/91 Mar 16 22:56:02 last we heard he was leaving to troll the wife, and today no trolling... hmmm Mar 16 22:56:47 <_av500_> can't troll wife too much, she still has to finish tiling the babsement floor :) Mar 16 22:56:54 haha Mar 16 22:56:55 <_av500_> basement :) Mar 16 22:59:30 _av500_: heh 26 + 26 equals 54? Mar 16 22:59:41 <_av500_> yep Mar 16 23:00:02 <_av500_> mranostay: read 3ys worht of irc logs here and you will know Mar 16 23:03:21 <_av500_> mranostay: it's all here: http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2010-07-18#T15:46:11 Mar 16 23:03:48 <_av500_> follow Mar 16 23:07:38 I installed bonjour browser, it found the bone but it shows only MAC address of it. So no IP is assigned with the adhoc connection. How can I assign an IP address to it? Mar 16 23:07:48 <_av500_> no idea Mar 16 23:08:16 <_av500_> we would ask koen, but koen is drinking spanish (wtf?) beer all day long Mar 16 23:08:18 how did you use it in your first usage, did you connect it to a router? Mar 16 23:08:38 router modem Mar 16 23:08:46 <_av500_> i used usb Mar 16 23:08:54 _av500_: i need a beer and popcorn for that chatlog :) Mar 16 23:09:01 <_av500_> yes Mar 16 23:09:05 ok Mar 16 23:09:09 <_av500_> but its worth it Mar 16 23:10:20 av500: you're a newbie? :P Mar 16 23:14:13 <_av500_> yep Mar 16 23:14:46 <_av500_> i had that crazy dude from the mailing list call me a "linux gamer" once Mar 16 23:15:01 <_av500_> in return I got him fired from TI Mar 16 23:15:16 :/ Mar 16 23:15:27 don't f*** with _av500_ it seems Mar 16 23:15:35 are you all working for TI? Mar 16 23:15:36 linux gamer? Mar 16 23:15:41 <_av500_> starter: no Mar 16 23:15:47 <_av500_> not even koen any more Mar 16 23:15:48 no mostly not Mar 16 23:16:02 koen doesn't anymore? Mar 16 23:16:04 <_av500_> nope Mar 16 23:16:13 circuitco got him Mar 16 23:16:17 <_av500_> gave notice and went on a beer binge to barcelone Mar 16 23:16:21 news abounds today Mar 16 23:16:55 <_av500_> in exchange we got mdp here Mar 16 23:16:56 how truthfulness of said news might be in question Mar 16 23:17:07 s/how/the Mar 16 23:30:43 * mranostay needs to see what is going on in SF for St Patty's day tomorrow Mar 16 23:34:23 hi, has anyone here booted angstrom on the beagleboard using u-boot before? Mar 16 23:34:39 tawest: perhaps one of us here have Mar 16 23:35:19 i think _av500_ has Mar 16 23:35:49 I've been getting SD card images for the beagleboard from the angstrom website and choosing u-boot as the loader, but when I start the board I only see a splash screen until angstrom has loaded, and not the u-boot program where you can change the bootargs Mar 16 23:36:00 I don't even know if my boot.scr script is being loaded Mar 16 23:36:29 you have a serial connection to the board? Mar 16 23:36:48 I have a serial cable, I haven't tried connecting it to the board Mar 16 23:37:03 is that necessary to see the u-boot stuff? Mar 16 23:38:20 I'll try setting that up Mar 16 23:42:02 one thing that I don't understand is, if you've already set up an SD card to boot from, can you still establish and boot using a serial connection? Mar 16 23:42:03 <_av500_> where else do you expect the "uboot stuf"? Mar 16 23:42:11 <_av500_> +f Mar 16 23:42:23 <_av500_> if not on the serial Mar 16 23:42:51 I was under the impression that you're normally supposed to see that displayed before the angstrom login screen appears Mar 16 23:42:59 <_av500_> nope Mar 16 23:43:03 <_av500_> not a PC Mar 16 23:45:00 ok thanks Mar 16 23:45:06 MLO used to display a beagle onscreen, but that was about 2 years ago or so Mar 16 23:45:20 no, u-boot Mar 16 23:45:28 was that u-boot? Mar 16 23:46:09 so if I see a beagle splash screen while it's booting I'm using an old version? Mar 16 23:46:45 there's a beagle in the kernel too, much smaller though Mar 16 23:47:11 there is also a little beagle trapped in the SoC Mar 16 23:47:18 <_av500_> yea, Linus said no to big dogs... Mar 16 23:47:20 woof! Mar 16 23:48:51 big dogs really do suck Mar 16 23:48:55 yeah... no room in MLO Mar 16 23:49:10 <_av500_> not even for a poodle? Mar 16 23:49:19 maybe a chuawawa Mar 16 23:49:27 standard poodles are pretty big Mar 16 23:49:49 <_av500_> imperial or metric ones? Mar 16 23:49:57 too high maintenance as well Mar 16 23:50:08 any dog you have to get groomed is too much to deal with Mar 16 23:50:10 _av500_: the sith only uses imperial Mar 16 23:50:22 actually, the AM3359 has a dog training controller Mar 16 23:50:32 if you mux the pins just right Mar 16 23:50:53 <_av500_> if you really mux pinx right, you get free energy! Mar 16 23:51:01 eeps Mar 16 23:51:23 just need two really big/expensive plates Mar 16 23:51:28 they only differ by a factor of 127 Mar 16 23:52:01 ds2: you get my email Mar 16 23:52:12 <_av500_> -> spam folder Mar 16 23:52:20 hehe Mar 16 23:52:58 prpplague: yep. THANKS!!!! Mar 16 23:53:40 sorry for the delay, just been swamped Mar 16 23:53:53 prpplague: understood. Mar 16 23:56:04 prpplague: you heading out here for ESC? Mar 16 23:57:22 ds2: naw, too busy, and ESC usually doesn't have anything too appealing for me Mar 17 00:06:03 automount SUCKS....I hate that about systemd Mar 17 00:06:18 ka6sox: hehe Mar 17 00:06:55 plug in a device that isn't formatted...watch it go into infinate loop :P Mar 17 00:07:42 bad systemd...bad bad. Mar 17 00:07:59 systemd: * == sucks Mar 17 00:07:59 ;) Mar 17 00:08:27 so now my console is flooded with garbage messages... Mar 17 00:09:47 * ka6sox punches the OFF button on the bar feeding the beaglebone... Mar 17 00:11:06 ds2: hope the boards help Mar 17 00:11:33 prpplague: i hope so too ;) they are at the least giving me time to deal with connectors (the real "FUN") Mar 17 00:12:02 understood Mar 17 00:12:18 prpplague: is it my imagination or is one company dominating those connectors ? Mar 17 00:12:32 which one? Mar 17 00:12:38 ipex Mar 17 00:12:59 notice the tct webpage mentioned a different connector but from the same company Mar 17 00:13:15 I bought a Gumstix for a project (small quantities)...found out their mating connector was unobtanium. Mar 17 00:13:23 oh gumstix...hehehehehehehehehe Mar 17 00:13:25 ds2: yea, IPEX is a force in the market Mar 17 00:13:38 ds2: we have several versions Mar 17 00:13:43 ds2: which one are you using? Mar 17 00:13:50 prpplague: 272 or 274 Mar 17 00:13:55 keep forgetting which is on which Mar 17 00:14:11 I miss normal FPCs Mar 17 00:14:14 ds2: hmm doesn't ring a bell off hand Mar 17 00:14:17 ds2: indeed Mar 17 00:14:48 prpplague: it is straight from the datasheet...working with the rep to solve sourcing...seems nice folks to work with Mar 17 00:14:48 ds2: want my ipex contact? they are usually pretty good about sending out sample cables and bobs Mar 17 00:15:09 prpplague: nah, I am talking to a rep local to here. Mar 17 00:15:34 okay stripped down everything, the home computer is now 6.2watts including display. Mar 17 00:15:43 whoops. Mar 17 00:16:00 ka6sox: what processor? Mar 17 00:16:13 * prpplague looks for something to watch Mar 17 00:16:36 Omap4 Mar 17 00:16:40 * prpplague considers ordering pizza Mar 17 00:16:49 oh Mar 17 00:16:51 panda? Mar 17 00:16:59 panda + 22" LED Mar 17 00:17:10 with MT Mar 17 00:17:14 22" LED?! Mar 17 00:17:21 where do you source such a big LED display? Mar 17 00:17:28 can't say Mar 17 00:17:35 oh okay :) Mar 17 00:17:39 but it is LED Mar 17 00:17:46 yes, not lcd Mar 17 00:17:53 very nice Mar 17 00:18:06 does it burn in? Mar 17 00:18:13 the whole thing runs off the 24V bus Mar 17 00:18:31 ka6sox: nice Mar 17 00:22:06 prpplague, it was the highest best use for my Panda...coming up with absolute lowest powered home computer I could. Mar 17 00:22:26 the Beagle didn't have enough oomph or ram. Mar 17 00:22:58 ka6sox: well of course the stock panda is not really designed to be super efficient on the power side Mar 17 00:23:11 ka6sox: you could do some hacks to get it down even further Mar 17 00:23:29 I've been playing with power and frequency domains. Mar 17 00:25:20 mostly hardware hacks Mar 17 00:25:41 okay we should talk then... Mar 17 00:25:48 hi again Mar 17 00:25:59 I am looking to create something <5w average Mar 17 00:26:28 I've made a serial connection to my beagleboard but some characters appear as random symbols Mar 17 00:26:42 I've tried using both screen and minicom to connect but they both have this problem Mar 17 00:26:48 clock it down to 0Hz for 10 minutes every half hour? :) Mar 17 00:27:22 heh Mar 17 00:27:49 I think with some further hacks I could get the whole thing to work <5w Mar 17 00:27:53 definition of averages are open to so much fun Mar 17 00:28:06 what are you using to down convert from 24v to 5? Mar 17 00:28:15 PT module Mar 17 00:28:25 PT module? Mar 17 00:28:36 TI's PT series... Mar 17 00:28:40 Oh those Mar 17 00:28:53 how do you solder those w/o having the terminals melt on you? Mar 17 00:29:14 The House Bus is 24Vdc Mar 17 00:29:29 ka6sox: are you in the carib? Mar 17 00:29:31 very very carefully Mar 17 00:29:45 prpplague, nope...Pacific Plate. Mar 17 00:29:48 haha Mar 17 00:30:44 ka6sox: a lot of the houses in the carib are switching the entire house bus over to 24v Mar 17 00:31:29 solar or wave power? Mar 17 00:32:25 ds2, too far from the coast...still grid tied + solar but converting more and more of the house over to 24V Mar 17 00:32:50 ka6sox: how many watts of solar do you have? Mar 17 00:32:55 only 480 Mar 17 00:33:19 you're in So Edison land, right? Mar 17 00:33:21 if I can get the house down to 180W then i will buy more solar. Mar 17 00:33:22 yup Mar 17 00:33:54 do they offer time of use meters? Mar 17 00:34:07 starting to. Mar 17 00:34:40 why did you choose 24v for solar? Mar 17 00:34:53 ds2: mostly solar Mar 17 00:34:53 (vs 48V telco or 12V auto/rv) Mar 17 00:35:13 48v stings when you get across it wet. Mar 17 00:35:22 12v is too much current (big wires) Mar 17 00:35:24 ds2: they use it to drive a water pump, pumps water from a tank on ground level to one on the roof Mar 17 00:35:26 light aircraft use 24V Mar 17 00:35:27 24v is just right Mar 17 00:35:40 ds2: then at night it drains back to the one on the ground Mar 17 00:35:43 prpplague: aren't they close enough to the water for wave power? Mar 17 00:35:56 ds2: not everyone Mar 17 00:36:09 ka6sox: but how many power supplies do you have to construct to use 24v? Mar 17 00:36:28 the lighting system uses it natively Mar 17 00:36:30 prpplague: hmmm guess the islands are bigger then I am imagining Mar 17 00:36:38 ka6sox: off the shelf stuff? Mar 17 00:36:46 ds2: most of the RV stuff is off the shelf at 24V Mar 17 00:36:53 it takes 9hrs to go around hers. Mar 17 00:37:04 ds2: you can get pretty much all your main items with stock 24v support Mar 17 00:37:14 oh... most RV stuff I seen are 12V Mar 17 00:37:18 Hmmmm Mar 17 00:37:27 ds2, 24v is used by RV/Aircraft/etc...its readily available and getting cheaper Mar 17 00:37:46 and Solar works well with it Mar 17 00:38:02 wind power is cheaper to buy @ 24V too Mar 17 00:38:27 the system has about 14 MSP430G2's and a 5529 master Mar 17 00:39:04 I see Mar 17 00:39:14 one day when I get time, I'll look into solar again Mar 17 00:39:23 the bone is overkill Mar 17 00:39:27 but it really really doesn't help when the stove is electric Mar 17 00:39:35 I need that to run the 3D printer Mar 17 00:39:47 I rather use the classic Beagle for a 3D printer ;) Mar 17 00:40:01 no PRU Mar 17 00:40:20 add a few 430's as slaves Mar 17 00:40:26 bleh Mar 17 00:40:41 I don't see the bone as mature enough to do big things with Mar 17 00:40:59 PRUs are nice but the current "unsupported" state is irritating Mar 17 00:41:03 my 10yr old uses the cloud9ide and has done the fronend... Mar 17 00:41:07 frontend Mar 17 00:41:20 I can't do webbie things to save my life... Mar 17 00:41:25 oh you are going for something custom Mar 17 00:41:35 i prefer it to look like the interfaces on a Haas or a Fanuc Mar 17 00:41:36 well... Mar 17 00:41:48 this is not the same. Mar 17 00:41:53 this is a reprap Mar 17 00:42:15 I am going for CHEAP and easy. Mar 17 00:42:23 oh, and low power too. Mar 17 00:47:48 I want a single interface that works for mills, 3d printers, and lathes Mar 17 00:47:57 got a 70's era lathe that needs a refitted control Mar 17 00:48:10 maybe it is an 80;s era..think it has a 6502 Mar 17 00:52:09 this will work for all of that Mar 17 00:52:14 uses emc2 Mar 17 00:52:27 then there is the RTAI problem Mar 17 00:52:31 got that one handled? Mar 17 00:52:54 butting up to their API with the PRUs Mar 17 00:53:11 Oh I see the route you are taking Mar 17 00:53:22 are you planning on step/direction output? Mar 17 00:53:30 prehaps with a feedback option? Mar 17 00:53:36 feedback later Mar 17 00:54:03 that seems useable Mar 17 00:54:05 right now...open loop, and creating a std sysfs interface instead of the stupid UIO one. Mar 17 00:54:18 but you are dropping servos initially? Mar 17 00:54:35 not implementing that bit Mar 17 00:54:49 just going to step/dir Mar 17 00:55:01 let it "evolve" Mar 17 00:55:04 I see Mar 17 00:55:09 what about limit switches? Mar 17 00:55:35 feedback to the PRU via GPIO Mar 17 00:57:14 I want to send a batch of commands to the pru via cmem and then control the start/stop/reseet/load via sysfs Mar 17 00:57:42 UIO is silly for this Mar 17 00:57:50 hmmm are you tying in the PRU with the PWM hardware? Mar 17 00:58:02 useful for temp control, spindle speed, etc Mar 17 00:58:03 DRV8825 Mar 17 00:58:12 for now not using PWM Mar 17 00:58:18 thats the *second* PRU Mar 17 00:58:30 you don't want to use the capture timers for PWM? Mar 17 00:58:38 or you avoid some other problems? Mar 17 00:58:51 avoiding syncronicity... Mar 17 00:58:59 I see Mar 17 00:59:02 the RT vs non-RT issue Mar 17 00:59:26 doesn't the PRU have access to the capture hw? Mar 17 00:59:38 first step. the temps are slow enough that that can be non RT Mar 17 01:00:03 like everytime emc2 has another round of stuff to send. Mar 17 01:00:15 for temperature, sure... but PWM is useable for like spindle control Mar 17 01:00:19 which is what I am looking for Mar 17 01:00:29 thats what the 2ond PRU will deal with... Mar 17 01:01:21 I will walk before I run.. Mar 17 01:01:30 first...get a sane interface Mar 17 01:01:49 otherwise...I can do this in the FPGA... Mar 17 01:02:21 FPGA might be nicer but I suspect we won't agree on the type of FPGA ;) Mar 17 01:02:36 that bit is decided... Mar 17 01:02:41 its DONE. Mar 17 01:03:06 I'm buildin boards now. Mar 17 01:04:30 which one are you using? Mar 17 01:04:47 I have a similar need and would be interested in collaborating/helping Mar 17 01:07:01 s3a Mar 17 01:08:05 because I know them and have the tools (the free ones) Mar 17 01:11:07 s3a? who makes it? Mar 17 01:11:10 xilinx? Mar 17 01:12:17 yes Mar 17 01:13:05 not a fan of xilinx fpga... hot running and all that Mar 17 01:13:54 fpga's in general are NO low power. Mar 17 01:14:00 NOT Mar 17 01:14:08 there are lower power ones Mar 17 01:14:19 ones that do not require a eeprom to boot it Mar 17 01:14:30 I don't use an eeprom Mar 17 01:15:20 beagle download? Mar 17 01:17:06 another task for a PRU Mar 17 01:17:15 ah Mar 17 01:18:18 are you trying it w/o a FPGA first? Mar 17 01:20:03 well...both ways are valid Mar 17 01:20:35 I'd really like the PRU to be able to do RT control things... Mar 17 01:21:31 but up until a couple of days ago when I heard they were going to at least put out the real assembler for this version...it was pretty much a tough thing to get totally behind. Mar 17 01:21:35 I'd be interested in helping with the PRU only method Mar 17 01:21:50 yep Mar 17 01:21:55 both ways are valid... Mar 17 01:22:03 the PII board I am using is stiffling my rapids Mar 17 01:22:58 but RT without hardwware assist seems foolish with the state of RTAI or preempt_rt. Mar 17 01:23:13 I agree Mar 17 01:23:18 I just don't agree with using a xilinx part :) Mar 17 01:23:42 rather be slapping on a cortex-r then a xilinx Mar 17 01:23:51 I have other things I want the xilinx part to do, besides then just step and fetch. Mar 17 01:24:08 such as? Mar 17 01:24:29 lookahead and trajectory planning Mar 17 01:24:41 isn't that basically gutting EMC2? Mar 17 01:24:57 who says I want to use emc2 all the time? Mar 17 01:25:41 do you have plans beyond taking G-code? Mar 17 01:26:07 nurbs data Mar 17 01:26:48 I see. no interest in doing that Mar 17 01:27:01 what is your anticipated work flow? Mar 17 01:28:46 walk, then run Mar 17 01:29:41 no, I mean how do you plan to use the machine? if you are thinking of tyring to get it take nurbs data Mar 17 01:30:01 does that mean you eventually also want a cad system on there too? Mar 17 01:30:09 laser cut foam for complex shapes. Mar 17 01:30:31 how do you go from idea to the foam? Mar 17 01:30:55 3d cad to nurbs to cut Mar 17 01:31:23 okay. so cutting CAM out of the middle? Mar 17 01:31:37 yes Mar 17 01:31:44 faster and less steps Mar 17 01:32:40 but thats running Mar 17 01:32:46 walk first Mar 17 01:32:47 but that does mean you have to know a lot of the actual machine Mar 17 01:33:11 nice thing about the CAM step is that is the part that knows about the machine Mar 17 01:33:43 it'll be a part of the machine. Mar 17 01:34:10 hmm interesting idea Mar 17 01:34:48 getting back to the walking...what areas do you need help with (besides getting PRU code)? Mar 17 01:36:58 ho ho hum Mar 17 01:37:09 * prpplague orders pizza and tries to find a good wwii movie Mar 17 01:37:22 prpplague: womim not in house? Mar 17 01:37:53 ds2: hehe, the "girls" are hanging the living room Mar 17 01:38:06 * prpplague exiled to the bedroom Mar 17 01:38:13 oh Mar 17 01:39:27 ds2: think they are watching something on lmn or own or bori-n Mar 17 01:46:49 * prpplague has to laugh at how americans don't know Caribbean accents Mar 17 02:02:11 uhm... CAM? what am I missing? Mar 17 02:06:23 * emeb is amused at how "internet of things" has caught on lately. Mar 17 02:06:38 Bruce Sterling was blathering about that years ago... Mar 17 02:27:02 * SilicaSolid is PRUing Mar 17 02:27:13 :o Mar 17 02:28:07 SilicaSolid: do you have a PRUv2 compiler? Mar 17 02:28:14 nope Mar 17 02:28:17 end of march Mar 17 02:28:19 is what they last said. Mar 17 02:28:32 do you have a hex editor? Mar 17 02:28:40 the pru v1 pasm works fine though, you just don't have access to the 3 extra instructions Mar 17 02:28:49 do you know the opcodes? Mar 17 02:28:59 no, they don't publish the instruction encoding !!!!!!!!! Mar 17 02:29:02 WTF! Mar 17 02:29:16 well, try and find out then Mar 17 02:29:20 can't be that many to choose from Mar 17 02:29:23 haha Mar 17 02:29:28 sicko Mar 17 02:29:40 mru: trolling stops at beer o clock :P Mar 17 02:30:02 with the v1 assembler you can easily figure out the encoding of the instructions it supports Mar 17 02:30:16 SilicaSolid: can the pruss's program counter be altered from the arm side? Mar 17 02:30:22 then look for gaps in the opcode space and investigate them Mar 17 02:30:35 Well not exactly Mar 17 02:30:37 mru: do it and publish it Mar 17 02:30:43 you can choose what address it starts at when it comes out of reset Mar 17 02:31:03 I was thinking about on-the-fly code patching Mar 17 02:31:43 i was thining about breakpoints Mar 17 02:31:44 and how to set them. Mar 17 02:31:48 using a halt instruction. Mar 17 02:32:05 that would work Mar 17 02:32:09 i don't know if the pru can patch its own code Mar 17 02:32:20 and i know the pru's code memory is not accessible to the mpu when the pru is running Mar 17 02:32:21 but I can load it from the arm side Mar 17 02:32:27 oh Mar 17 02:32:27 you can, if you halt it Mar 17 02:33:00 and it will restart at a known offset? Mar 17 02:34:02 i thought i read that Mar 17 02:34:05 i'm trying to find it now Mar 17 02:35:58 yeah Mar 17 02:36:02 in the CONTROL register Mar 17 02:36:12 PCOUNTER_RST_VAL Mar 17 02:36:22 it's something you can set, and it tells it where to start when it comes out of reset Mar 17 02:36:37 I think you culd do that for breakpoints. Mar 17 02:36:44 you don't need it for single stepping though, it already supports that. Mar 17 02:37:24 ok Mar 17 02:37:27 you could only have a single breakpoint though, sadly Mar 17 02:38:08 so is there a halt instruction or did i dream that Mar 17 02:38:15 there is Mar 17 02:38:17 HALT and SLP Mar 17 02:38:51 oh wow haha i'm an idiot Mar 17 02:38:56 i thought this was a brilliant idea Mar 17 02:39:10 but the trm says "The HALT instruction disables the PRU. THis instruction is used to implement software breakpoints." Mar 17 02:39:11 HA HA Mar 17 02:39:18 ouch Mar 17 02:39:22 The PRU program counter remains at its current location Mar 17 02:39:29 when the pru is re-enabled ti resumes Mar 17 02:39:32 and re fetches Mar 17 02:39:33 awesome Mar 17 02:39:34 ok Mar 17 02:39:37 i can make my debugger then Mar 17 02:40:04 brb Mar 17 02:49:53 bbl **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 17 02:59:58 2012