**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 22 02:59:58 2012 Mar 22 03:01:17 /build/buildd/gdb-7.1/gdb/target.c:2240: internal-error: could not find a target to follow mourn inferiour Mar 22 03:01:40 mourn interiour? Mar 22 03:01:46 inferiour? Mar 22 03:09:25 Whats up? Mar 22 03:09:52 just got speakers hooked up to my beagle c3 Mar 22 03:10:00 rythmbox works good Mar 22 03:18:13 I am trying to boot Angstrom on my BeagleBoard-xm. From another computer I am watching the serial port. When I apply power to the board or hit reset I get several bytes of data, but it is uninteligible and different each time I hit reset. Any ideas on how I can figure out what is going on? Mar 22 03:31:07 No takers? Mar 22 03:31:19 Oh well, have a nice day everyone! Mar 22 03:50:43 hi Mar 22 03:51:41 i tried ubuntu on this system, but it was too memory hungry, started swapping a lot Mar 22 03:51:51 so got debian squeeze image back now Mar 22 03:54:19 good 'ole u-boat OS Mar 22 03:54:57 i was in the ASW section in the navy Mar 22 03:55:01 hunting subs Mar 22 03:55:23 like jonesy from red october? Mar 22 03:55:36 well i just programmed flight recorders Mar 22 03:55:36 "including one waaay out at pearl!" Mar 22 03:56:16 for the S3A Viking sub search planes Mar 22 03:56:26 sounds fun Mar 22 03:58:15 get back to where you once belonged.... now playing Mar 22 03:58:26 * mranostay hugs incrond Mar 22 04:00:47 i fixed my screen resolution to 1280x1024MR@60 Mar 22 04:00:59 edit uEnv.txt Mar 22 04:01:14 you just get the thing today? Mar 22 04:01:35 i had it packed up for a few days i took it on a trip Mar 22 04:45:46 grr Mar 22 04:45:59 still not sure how to figure out where to put the start of the stack... Mar 22 05:57:26 <_av500_> 0x1234 Mar 22 05:57:42 <_av500_> makes it easy to remember your pin Mar 22 06:11:15 heh Mar 22 06:11:35 _av500_: i see Steven joined the meat eater trolling :) Mar 22 06:26:13 *phew* Mar 22 06:29:38 hmm... can I 'borrow' u-boot's sp value Mar 22 06:29:50 well... it's not breaking anything big yet, so... Mar 22 07:02:03 * mranostay curses -Wall -Werror Mar 22 07:02:49 Russ: congrats on the new email address Mar 22 07:03:36 mdp: congrats on dumping that regulator stuff on someone else :) Mar 22 07:05:53 koen: morning :) Mar 22 07:06:03 mranostay: good morning! Mar 22 07:08:05 * mranostay directs radiation at koen Mar 22 07:08:28 grumble grumble... is three words of overhead for every block of memory allocated acceptable for a kernel heap allocator? Mar 22 07:09:28 * koen starts glowing Mar 22 07:10:17 koen, thanks Mar 22 07:10:26 koen, there is so much messed up in that area Mar 22 07:10:58 koen, gpmc initialization probably just needs to be in the board file like mux configuration and they need to just register smsc911x devices like normal platform devices Mar 22 07:11:07 koen: so can you get uranium ore in .nl? some .ru friends of mine were shock i can legally get that Mar 22 07:11:29 and the insanity of regulator stuff moving into random platform devices Mar 22 07:12:00 Russ: ah you got the regulator stuff? :) Mar 22 07:12:21 I'm not sure if that should just be a board file thing or if there should be a generic way of putting a device into a power group domain thingy Mar 22 07:13:22 mranostay, in AZ, there are uranium mines you can wander into Mar 22 07:13:30 its not like you can do much with ore Mar 22 07:13:54 Russ: yes but it illegal there it seems :) Mar 22 07:14:06 well so are guns generally :) Mar 22 07:14:16 and poppys in any more Mar 22 07:14:18 *form Mar 22 07:14:32 guns? illegal? here? Mar 22 07:15:05 Russ: no in Russia :) Mar 22 07:15:18 koen, oh crap, I somehow added clk stuff back in Mar 22 07:15:36 are we having a struct clk party? Mar 22 07:16:27 no, its a horrible interactive rebase accident Mar 22 07:17:42 were there any survivers? Mar 22 07:20:20 just a lemon party. Mar 22 07:22:06 ew ew Mar 22 07:46:22 mranostay: afaik I can't get uranium Mar 22 07:46:34 mranostay: but I but the university next door has Mar 22 07:46:42 from uranus? Mar 22 07:46:47 ore is a bit different than just uranium Mar 22 07:48:23 http://www.amazon.com/Images-SI-Inc-Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM Mar 22 07:48:46 'So glad I don't have to buy this from Libyans in parking lots at the mall anymore.' Mar 22 07:49:51 'lo. Mar 22 09:55:16 could you give me some suggestions for a board with some specifications: I need a development board as fast as possible (have to calc differential algebraic equation in "realtime") with CAN Bus, I could find only boards with (Cortex A8 800MHz) but this might be to slow Mar 22 09:55:36 x86 Mar 22 09:55:41 tons of boards Mar 22 09:57:22 should be smaller than 150x150 mm Mar 22 09:57:30 hot juicy atoms Mar 22 09:57:39 Roki: yes, and? Mar 22 09:57:51 cheap, fast, good: pick 2 Mar 22 09:57:55 but are the Atoms like E640 really faster than Cortex A9 with 1GHz Mar 22 09:58:05 since you need fast and good, you lose cheap Mar 22 09:58:18 it hasnt to be ceap.. Mar 22 09:58:19 av500 yes 2 of 3 rule Mar 22 09:58:20 cheap Mar 22 09:58:25 you cannt get all Mar 22 09:58:29 Roki: who said atom? there are nice embedded I7 boards Mar 22 09:58:52 pick any high-powered pc104-thing you like. Mar 22 09:58:53 oh ok i didnt knew that Mar 22 09:59:44 http://www.systerra.de/inhalt.php?seite=34&pfad=1_5_33_34&icode=CMA22MVD Mar 22 09:59:58 and CAN bus certainly can be stacked on. Mar 22 10:00:05 google://i7+pc104 Mar 22 10:00:27 http://www.systerra.de/inhalt.php?scode=PC104-IO&pfad=1_5_33_35#Fieldbus1 Mar 22 10:01:15 then you can have kind-of number crunching in less than 150mm x 150mm Mar 22 10:01:20 interesting, intel has managed to push atom so much that people dont think there is anything else :) Mar 22 10:01:27 *g* Mar 22 10:01:41 there is something besides atom and poulsbo? Mar 22 10:01:49 yes, 286 Mar 22 10:02:02 *cough* powerpc *cough* Mar 22 10:02:19 LetoThe2nd: hier, taschentuch Mar 22 10:02:53 http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/566772-ic-cpu-16bit-5v-12-5mhz-68-plcc-cs80c286-12.html Mar 22 10:02:54 btw: at ELC I saw a really cool embedded intel system Mar 22 10:03:10 dm8tbr pointer? Mar 22 10:03:19 it was super-small, but totally overloaded with features. 2xhdmi, lots of usb, etc Mar 22 10:03:22 let me check the name Mar 22 10:03:24 av500: at least its no 8051 Mar 22 10:03:37 msp430? Mar 22 10:03:51 LetoThe2nd: ah, you want: http://www.ti.com/product/tusb2136 Mar 22 10:03:57 usb hub with 8051 inside Mar 22 10:04:04 *palmface* Mar 22 10:04:04 52 even Mar 22 10:04:57 woglinde: 'M2M Smart Services Developer Kit' Mar 22 10:05:02 * av500 wants a 8054 NOW! Mar 22 10:05:09 hm why they have a keyboard sample firmware for it? Mar 22 10:05:27 it does not work out of the box? Mar 22 10:05:29 usb suckz Mar 22 10:05:30 http://us.kontron.com/products/systems+and+platforms/m2m/m2m+smart+services+developer+kit.html Mar 22 10:05:53 dm8tbr: atom, meh Mar 22 10:06:35 hm I am still searching a board with adsl+v2 ethernet and 2xminipcislot Mar 22 10:06:38 av500: I didn't say it fits Roki's bill. still the features they packed into this small device were quite impressive (by intel standards) Mar 22 10:06:41 woglinde: think usb kbd with downstream hub Mar 22 10:06:57 av500 whats a downstreamhub? Mar 22 10:07:10 kbd with build in usb? Mar 22 10:07:14 yes Mar 22 10:07:17 kbd+hub Mar 22 10:07:22 even apple has that Mar 22 10:07:22 hm Mar 22 10:07:26 hey i've got a beaglebone with the debian squeeze image now i'm trying to use the TP-Link tl-wn422g wifi stick with the Atheros AR9271 chipset on it i installed the ath9k_htc modules at the beginning the stick work well but after some time the stick stopps working and the system freeze when i move the stick off the board the borads works again Mar 22 10:07:48 make em borads work! Mar 22 10:07:52 kate123 wow usb replugging is working to you? Mar 22 10:08:00 but yes usb suckz Mar 22 10:08:06 on embedded Mar 22 10:08:07 and also it sucks Mar 22 10:08:12 on all platforms Mar 22 10:08:19 either driver suckz or hw is broken Mar 22 10:08:29 Universally Sucky Bus Mar 22 10:09:07 so again Mar 22 10:09:19 board with asdlv+2 ethernet minipci Mar 22 10:09:21 use PS2 for mouse and kdb Mar 22 10:09:22 woglinde av500 : no ides?? how i can fix it Mar 22 10:09:40 kate123 take your baseballbat and go to india Mar 22 10:09:44 kate123: no idea Mar 22 10:09:55 does the same stick work under debian on your pc? Mar 22 10:10:05 try a different stick Mar 22 10:10:20 which kernel? Mar 22 10:10:22 btw. Mar 22 10:10:24 woglinde: nice idea Mar 22 10:10:44 av500: what stick is good for beaglebone with debian Mar 22 10:10:57 kate123: no idea Mar 22 10:11:43 I'd first verify what in the whole stack dies. USB, wifi, etc Mar 22 10:11:51 if it's usb... good luck Mar 22 10:12:02 dm8tbr it isnt usb I think Mar 22 10:12:19 otherwise the machine would not recover Mar 22 10:12:30 os its usb<-> wireless layer somehow Mar 22 10:12:45 still might be interesting to check dmesg Mar 22 10:12:49 kate123 enable debug for both and run again Mar 22 10:12:55 sure Mar 22 10:13:03 but you need debug enabled Mar 22 10:13:05 in drivers Mar 22 10:13:17 and kernel cmdline or module option Mar 22 10:13:46 try on PC with debian 1st Mar 22 10:21:04 ok price matters :) Mar 22 10:21:16 should be <500€ Mar 22 10:22:23 woglinde: how can i enable the usb debug Mar 22 10:23:07 look into kernel docu? Mar 22 10:23:14 read the driver source? Mar 22 10:23:39 dm8tbr still m2m is atom Mar 22 10:24:09 Wind River Linux Mar 22 10:24:16 hm that could be oe build Mar 22 10:24:24 woglinde: yes, that doesn't contradict my initial statement of an embedded intel system, does it? Mar 22 10:24:30 lol Mar 22 10:24:32 ind River Linux 4.1 – 90 day trial Mar 22 11:32:06 woglinde: yeah, I had to chuckle too when I read that 'trial' Mar 22 11:32:54 I'm sure running it will prove to be quite the trial Mar 22 11:35:35 hmm, TI did mips stuff in the past Mar 22 11:35:42 in DSL routers Mar 22 11:40:01 yes, did you not know that? Mar 22 11:43:17 maybe I forgot Mar 22 11:43:37 its all infernion->lantiq now Mar 22 12:44:13 av500: http://lwn.net/Articles/486628/ Mar 22 12:44:46 ehm Mar 22 12:44:47 http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/487622/0dc352f4864614b2/ Mar 22 12:44:53 av500: search for 'cross' Mar 22 12:46:14 omg Mar 22 12:46:42 ...even x86_64 is topping out on speed and moving to a more-core and more-systems-per-rack model Mar 22 12:47:05 10x faster is still 10x faster... Mar 22 12:47:15 or whatever the factor is Mar 22 12:50:15 oh yes, cite the r-pi as why arm needs to be a primary arch for fedora Mar 22 12:51:21 fedora "break my updates" Mar 22 12:53:08 so we have ubuntu that could do r-pi but does not want and fedore that cannot do r-pi but badly wants to :) Mar 22 12:53:33 win-win for us on the side lines Mar 22 12:54:49 time to stock up on popcorn I reckon Mar 22 12:55:31 mmm…cross compiling is not the answer Mar 22 12:55:39 dm8tbr: indeed. Mar 22 12:55:54 54 is the answer (in here) Mar 22 12:56:08 500 r-pis with distcc is the answer Mar 22 12:56:35 instead of 500 xeons with distcc+gcc cross Mar 22 12:56:36 5000? Mar 22 12:56:54 that's half a production run :) Mar 22 12:56:59 lol Mar 22 12:57:20 at the moment I have a boot partition, which is vfat and a OS partition, which is ext3 Mar 22 12:57:32 desktop distro people are kinda funny Mar 22 12:57:46 mdp: dinosaurs were like that too once Mar 22 12:57:52 may I use fat32 for the OS partition? Mar 22 12:58:05 av500, ;) Mar 22 12:58:27 urbov: if your OS is fine with fat32, sure Mar 22 12:59:08 it's a vanilla 3.2.8 kernel Mar 22 12:59:27 the kernel does not care at all for the filesystem Mar 22 12:59:47 but the linux user space might :) Mar 22 13:00:16 wasn't there some weird hack back in the 90s to overlay full permissions and whatnot on a fat filesystem? Mar 22 13:00:37 yes Mar 22 13:00:49 I am googling for that but I cannot think of the name Mar 22 13:00:50 does fat32 support linux permissions? Mar 22 13:00:54 nope Mar 22 13:02:04 UMSDOS Mar 22 13:02:11 aaah, umsdos Mar 22 13:02:27 drdos Mar 22 13:02:38 http://linux.voyager.hr/umsdos/ Mar 22 13:02:43 riscs Mar 22 13:02:55 riscos even Mar 22 13:03:24 1st os to run on an ARM Mar 22 13:05:12 is there any WinXP support filesystem, that has Linux-compatible permissions? Mar 22 13:05:30 ext2 Mar 22 13:05:59 http://www.fs-driver.org/ Mar 22 13:06:02 koen, yeah, I recall using an ext2 driver for winders back in the day.. Mar 22 13:06:13 urbov: why do you need that? Mar 22 13:06:48 if you need to exchange data with a PC there are other ways Mar 22 13:07:31 I want to expose the complete filesystem of the beagleboard via mass-storage gadget Mar 22 13:08:17 so what I want is the bootloader and a fallback-kernel, which will expose the filesystem Mar 22 13:08:36 and a 3rd kernel, thats should be the "normal" kernel Mar 22 13:09:11 so it's 3 partitions, one for the bootloader, one for the fallback image and one, that is supposed to have the real system Mar 22 13:09:47 but the real-system may be exposed by the fallback image as a mass-storage device to WinXP Mar 22 13:10:17 the WinXP user does not have admin rights Mar 22 13:10:34 then you have a problem Mar 22 13:10:57 arghh Mar 22 13:11:05 I will try it Mar 22 13:11:18 even http://www.fs-driver.org/ is ext2 only, no support for ext3 journalling Mar 22 13:11:44 I only can think of OpenSSH, which might have a problem about permissions Mar 22 13:12:40 yes ssh and winscp or so on the host Mar 22 13:12:48 is one way Mar 22 13:13:01 you could also run samba on the unit Mar 22 13:13:27 ok Mar 22 13:13:47 but why would you want to export ALL the linux fs? Mar 22 13:14:27 to a "user" Mar 22 13:14:44 "users" are stupid, they mess around in places they are not supposed to Mar 22 13:14:50 and then tell you "I did nothing" Mar 22 13:14:57 if anything fails on the "linux" site, the user might just simply format the disk and replace it with a clean copy Mar 22 13:15:04 hehe Mar 22 13:15:06 yes Mar 22 13:15:15 but for that you dont need what you ask for Mar 22 13:15:23 why? Mar 22 13:15:37 Win32 Disk Imager needs admin rights Mar 22 13:15:37 boot into your 2nd kernel, expose some part of the HDD, user puts "image", kernel unpacks it Mar 22 13:16:01 you are thinking too much in desktop terms Mar 22 13:16:13 android phones are not updated with Win32 Disk Imagers Mar 22 13:17:29 * av500 thinks he should start charging now :) Mar 22 13:18:23 * av500 thinks he have lunch Mar 22 13:20:53 hm lunch Mar 22 13:20:55 good idea Mar 22 13:47:02 i can ssh, or serial connect to my beaglebone but unable to connect to the internet from it (ex wget) ... could someone rtfm me in the right direction ? Mar 22 13:51:07 boneNewbie, what is it plugged into? Mar 22 13:51:48 boneNewbie: for me this is fixed by /etc/init.d/networking restart Mar 22 13:52:12 when plugged into an ethernet router Mar 22 13:52:28 boneNewbie get a course in network and routing Mar 22 13:52:31 connected via eth to linux desktop (which is connected to the internet) Mar 22 13:52:40 thats nothing bone sepcific Mar 22 13:53:15 i get it ... i need to set my linux desktop as proxy , right ? Mar 22 13:53:19 yes Mar 22 13:53:56 or get a $10 switch Mar 22 13:53:56 k , thanks ... i'll try that Mar 22 13:56:13 hmm, maybe UMSDOS on an sdcard would make linux faster Mar 22 13:57:29 why don't you port umsdos to linux 3.x and find out? Mar 22 13:58:26 actually, I have a patch that makes ext ignore all perms and act as FAT :) Mar 22 13:58:45 that helps to run MSDOS on linux :) Mar 22 13:58:46 hi all :) Mar 22 13:59:12 i have a beagleboard C what is the difference from C4 revision? Mar 22 13:59:22 what C do you have? Mar 22 13:59:28 XM revC? Mar 22 13:59:28 there was never a plain C Mar 22 13:59:51 mru: not everybody is an A student.... Mar 22 14:00:27 av500: yes Mar 22 14:00:50 really depends what you look at, i would prefer a C class mercedes over tha A class one ;) Mar 22 14:00:57 *the Mar 22 14:01:39 wrong channel, but anyways, is there a command line utility for the modemmanager, that can connect to an UMTS stick Mar 22 14:02:05 mru: https://gitorious.org/archos/archos-gpl-gen9-kernel-ics/blobs/master/fs/ext4/Kconfig#line87 Mar 22 14:02:19 the typo is not mine Mar 22 14:03:01 ogra merces now got your porsche broken? Mar 22 14:03:18 av500: so there isnt difference? Mar 22 14:03:34 nah, still driving it ... i had enough mercedeces in my life to know they are crap ;) Mar 22 14:03:36 there is BB XM and non-XM Mar 22 14:03:38 av500: what's an ovary file? Mar 22 14:03:45 [15:02:18] the typo is not mine Mar 22 14:03:51 but something about eggs Mar 22 14:03:59 av500: i have a beagleboard xM rev C Mar 22 14:04:05 yes Mar 22 14:04:18 and there are beagleboard revC4 Mar 22 14:04:24 not the missing "XM" Mar 22 14:04:27 note Mar 22 14:04:52 lol a lot of confusing Mar 22 14:05:56 stuk_gen there more confusing thinks out in the world Mar 22 14:05:59 +are Mar 22 14:06:15 ok so there is a beagleboard xm revC Mar 22 14:06:30 yes, you even have it Mar 22 14:06:35 and beagleboard srm revC4 Mar 22 14:06:42 srm? Mar 22 14:06:52 just rev C4 Mar 22 14:07:00 like the explosive Mar 22 14:07:04 a no srm is nothing Mar 22 14:07:10 >_< Mar 22 14:07:28 I had an accident, I cannot read emoticons Mar 22 14:07:29 so what is the meaning of that xM? XD Mar 22 14:07:54 stuk_gen: that is something google is happy to answer Mar 22 14:08:01 I dont feel like typing it up Mar 22 14:08:26 google yes... but if i here if because i have much confusing in head Mar 22 14:08:28 are c4's still on selling? Mar 22 14:08:32 yes Mar 22 14:08:33 yes Mar 22 14:08:57 well, c5s are Mar 22 14:09:06 c5s are more ds2 compliant Mar 22 14:09:08 until C6 comes along Mar 22 14:09:10 so there is 3 boards... a beaglebone...a beaglebonexM (latest is revC) and beagleboneC4 Mar 22 14:09:18 no Mar 22 14:09:25 bone, beagle and beagle XM Mar 22 14:09:34 yes Mar 22 14:09:36 its way simpler than android phone names Mar 22 14:09:42 sorry my mistake in write Mar 22 14:09:59 Beagle Mesmerize Plus Z 3D S2 Mar 22 14:10:02 is there a web tool to generate new beagle* names? Mar 22 14:10:19 mdp: sure, as long as it mails to gerald@ti.com Mar 22 14:10:39 BeagleTail XLT Max Tubo Mar 22 14:11:03 koen: I'd have guessed ti@gerald.com Mar 22 14:12:11 mdp, new power adapter? Mar 22 14:12:54 mru: fun fact, instead of this ext permission patch, google runs parts of the android /data partition through a fuse loopback in order to appear permission less to apps :) Mar 22 14:16:12 jsabeaudry: it could be a cape that adds a 10MHz Turbo button to your bone Mar 22 14:16:31 or 11MHz, to be a bit better Mar 22 14:16:56 av500 is it not a bad idead to have /data permissions less? Mar 22 14:17:22 woglinde: I said parts Mar 22 14:17:28 so /data/storage Mar 22 14:17:37 what used to be the sdcard Mar 22 14:17:49 hm Mar 22 14:17:54 and that all apps can write and read Mar 22 14:18:01 for media data etc Mar 22 14:18:06 yes and delete your stuff Mar 22 14:18:09 yes Mar 22 14:18:10 thats for good Mar 22 14:18:23 you want mp3s to be only accessible for the app that saved them? Mar 22 14:18:30 and not by a player app? Mar 22 14:18:45 you want to manage ACLs in android ui? Mar 22 14:19:07 do you want to have a crippled javascript side to delete all data on sdcard? Mar 22 14:19:08 I have good news for you, ubuntu is coming to your phone soon Mar 22 14:19:34 but maybee chrome fixes the webkit bugs faster Mar 22 14:19:55 or at all Mar 22 14:19:57 treat data on your sdcard as expendable Mar 22 14:20:03 dont store passwords there Mar 22 14:20:11 dont tell me that Mar 22 14:20:12 but game levels and map data, why not? Mar 22 14:20:31 and nude photos? Mar 22 14:20:48 mru yes that there the celebs hacks Mar 22 14:20:58 photos with no clothes on? Mar 22 14:21:14 so now really time for lunch Mar 22 14:21:31 woglinde: well, now you can wait until tea.... Mar 22 14:24:03 * koen stabs chinese datasheets Mar 22 14:24:18 the timing diagram is too pixelated to decipher Mar 22 14:24:39 koen: want some metal with taht? *g* Mar 22 14:24:55 koen: why don't you enhance it? Mar 22 14:25:34 use the CSI interface Mar 22 14:25:58 koen, cost savings plan in execution... Mar 22 14:42:06 morning Mar 22 14:42:15 has broken? Mar 22 14:43:53 av500: breaking in song? Mar 22 14:43:56 *into Mar 22 14:44:28 * mdp prepares for show tunes Mar 22 14:47:08 the angstrom installed in the sd card have a vnc on some screen? Mar 22 14:53:39 if you start a vncserver Mar 22 15:00:52 mdp: karaoke show tunes? Mar 22 15:24:24 Hi Guys, I'm new to Linux, so I am looking for some steer on the system. I've managed to set up my beagleboard to load and debug userspace applications and ive just managed to run one that can toggle the LEDs. Mar 22 15:25:30 but this program depends on the knowledge that the LEDs are at /sys/class/leds/beagleboard::usr0, and i can set/clear using "brightness" attribute Mar 22 15:26:00 where do I get this kind of information from? should I refer some kernel guide book? Mar 22 15:26:05 no Mar 22 15:26:13 it depends on the actual hardware Mar 22 15:26:35 well, brightness is part of the led classs Mar 22 15:26:41 you can google that much Mar 22 15:26:46 prpplague: I hate lcd timings Mar 22 15:26:57 prpplague: especially with blurry datasheets in .doc format Mar 22 15:27:03 koen: just dont mix up front and back porch Mar 22 15:27:19 koen: DOH Mar 22 15:27:22 koen: indeed Mar 22 15:27:44 * prpplague hopes koen is finding the lcd presentation helpful Mar 22 15:27:54 prpplague: it's open next to the .doc Mar 22 15:28:01 :) Mar 22 15:28:06 hmm yea I did google it :) Mar 22 15:28:23 prpplague: I destroyed my flatcable, so I keep mailing new kernels to the texas hq Mar 22 15:28:38 koen: how the heck did you do that? Mar 22 15:28:41 since the am335x display driver needs to get recompiled to switch timings Mar 22 15:28:43 av500: *sing* standing on your mamas porch... Mar 22 15:29:01 prpplague: ~10 insertion cycles, then it tore at the edges, took out power and ts Mar 22 15:29:07 koen: why not add a set of debugfs entries? Mar 22 15:29:13 LetoThe2nd: front or back? Mar 22 15:29:35 av500: n oidea, what was en vogue '69? Mar 22 15:29:58 the thing is that for the usual simpler embedded systems Ive used previously, i could find this information my looking at the project code or a few files Mar 22 15:30:07 LetoThe2nd: 69 is always en vogue Mar 22 15:30:17 govind_: the linux kernel is just a few files Mar 22 15:30:37 most are even sensibly sorted Mar 22 15:30:39 av500: indeed. Mar 22 15:31:42 hmm I guess should have a look at it then :) Mar 22 15:32:13 govind_: it all depends on what you are after Mar 22 15:33:36 just an understanding of linux and some feel of using it for an embedded system Mar 22 15:34:15 to be able to port it to a new board for instance Mar 22 15:34:29 ah, an easy task for a start Mar 22 15:34:47 haha Mar 22 15:35:29 yea well I like to aim high sometimes Mar 22 15:35:41 rewrite it in C++ then Mar 22 15:35:46 and then shoot low as i know what im doing Mar 22 15:36:21 govind_: http://elinux.org/PandaBoard#Recommended_Reading_Material Mar 22 15:36:46 hmm, no C++ primer there Mar 22 15:36:54 hehe Mar 22 15:37:13 I see codez there Mar 22 15:37:22 if you know c and have knowlege about gpio's and clocks you can programm linux Mar 22 15:37:44 * av500 makes not to learn c Mar 22 15:37:48 note Mar 22 15:37:55 woglinde: please give exact steps..... Mar 22 15:38:03 im ok with C Mar 22 15:38:13 prpplague you are from india? Mar 22 15:38:17 C++ was pretty tough Mar 22 15:38:24 av500: i was always a C student, hehe Mar 22 15:38:34 thanks for the link Mar 22 15:38:36 woglinde: how you know? Mar 22 15:38:43 woglinde, so linux is just composed C, gpios, and clocks, right? Mar 22 15:38:48 * mdp makes notes Mar 22 15:38:48 prpplague: I keep hoping someone at TI fixes the video driver Mar 22 15:38:56 keep hopping Mar 22 15:39:01 and malting Mar 22 15:39:05 mdp: even the clocks can be gpios Mar 22 15:39:16 * mdp scribbles more stuffs Mar 22 15:39:25 linux is just a gpio driver with side effects Mar 22 15:39:47 * prpplague thinks koen has been drinking already today to think TI is going to fix the video driver.... Mar 22 15:39:55 going to ibizia Mar 22 15:40:04 prpplague: gotta stay positive and all Mar 22 15:40:07 prpplague: I ask myself, where has he been these past years Mar 22 15:40:30 hehe Mar 22 15:40:47 av500: oe land... Mar 22 15:41:08 the land of ilk and hoeney? Mar 22 15:41:15 koen, can you prove that this supposed video driver needs fixed? Mar 22 15:41:36 mdp: I heard it's not a kernel problem Mar 22 15:41:37 koen, for that matter, can you prove that this alleged video driver actually exists? Mar 22 15:41:47 hehe Mar 22 15:42:05 koen than let your hope go Mar 22 15:42:28 koen, well, there you go. sounds like a user space problem Mar 22 15:42:32 from past experience the response will be something like "the EVM only has one LCD and that works, go **** off" Mar 22 15:42:38 guys, please stop insulting poor omaps right now! Mar 22 15:42:46 ompas you mean Mar 22 15:42:56 ynezz: it's not an omap3, it's a sitarctic Mar 22 15:43:03 omas? Mar 22 15:43:04 sitanic? Mar 22 15:43:07 spamo Mar 22 15:44:07 koen, you guys don't have an official support path for that stuff? Mar 22 15:44:22 you mean /dev/null channel? Mar 22 15:44:33 I mean, talking hypothetically that this lcd and video driver exist, of course Mar 22 15:45:57 mdp: yeah Mar 22 15:46:06 mdp: vaibhav Mar 22 15:46:19 smeagle hates the nasty omapisses....... Mar 22 15:46:48 koen: need a gpu for the beaglebone? http://hackaday.com/2012/03/20/atmega324-acts-as-a-gpu-for-homebrew-computer/ Mar 22 15:47:27 prpplague: hehe, I was thinking that same thing Mar 22 15:47:55 a real FOSS friend GPU…finally Mar 22 15:48:02 s/friend/friendly/ Mar 22 15:48:31 is it encased in epoxy? Mar 22 15:48:53 and is the write enable pin removed? Mar 22 15:50:16 * prpplague will go screaming through the hallways if he gets one more thing to do this week..... Mar 22 15:51:54 prpplague I can hear you Mar 22 15:52:30 prpplague: can you do me a favour? Mar 22 15:53:42 mru: sure if you want in the queue for.... say nov 12th, 2014 ...................... Mar 22 15:54:03 prpplague: one more thing to do: stop screaming Mar 22 15:54:09 mru: you get a refund on your deposit if we all die in december Mar 22 16:02:36 koen, yup…don't want peasants tampering with it Mar 22 16:04:01 os pheasants Mar 22 16:04:02 or Mar 22 16:05:10 tasty os pheasants Mar 22 16:05:25 I wonder if that's ethical tasty meat Mar 22 16:08:14 mdp: only if they were raised in an open process Mar 22 16:08:17 not behind a wall Mar 22 16:08:28 and then chucked over Mar 22 16:08:45 hi Mar 22 16:08:50 mmmm Mar 22 16:09:32 has someone made exp. with beagleboard and the MATLAB/Simulink Interface?! Mar 22 16:09:47 no, tell us about it Mar 22 16:09:51 Is there full DSP access? Mar 22 16:10:04 http://www.mathworks.de/academia/beagleboard/ Mar 22 16:10:15 dont worry its english ;) Mar 22 16:10:30 I see no dsp mentioned Mar 22 16:10:38 well it says Mar 22 16:11:03 Recommened MathWorks Products: DSP System Toolbox Mar 22 16:11:09 thats matlab dsp Mar 22 16:11:12 "designing an embedded system without using manual programming" wtf Mar 22 16:11:13 not beagle dsp Mar 22 16:11:28 matlab has a dsp toolbox since ages Mar 22 16:11:33 works on my PC that has no DSP Mar 22 16:11:56 dsp as in the abstract concept vs dsp as in the actual processor Mar 22 16:12:04 mhm ok but there is a mathlab libary that uses the TI C64x+ DSP Mar 22 16:12:15 is there? Mar 22 16:12:18 yes Mar 22 16:12:20 mom Mar 22 16:12:41 maybe they feed some autogenerated models into c6run Mar 22 16:12:49 if you have all the answers, why do you ask us? Mar 22 16:13:23 "c6000lib" in general Mar 22 16:13:29 "tic64dsplib" in special Mar 22 16:14:01 mru: i dont really understand if this libary is working with the beagleboard in this configuration Mar 22 16:14:37 "implement the algorithms as standalone applications on the BeagleBoard using the ARM Cortex-A8 processor" Mar 22 16:15:09 so, this excludes the DSP? Mar 22 16:15:12 not using emacs? Mar 22 16:15:55 hi Mar 22 16:15:57 there's no mention of using the dsp Mar 22 16:16:21 yes, unfortunately Mar 22 16:16:57 but it would make the whole thing much more interresting Mar 22 16:18:11 we would like to use this device for education purpuses Mar 22 16:18:50 isn't the arm cpu good enough for that? Mar 22 16:19:32 m0erk: if you want to educate on dsp, get some pure dsp boards Mar 22 16:19:47 av500, yes but the price? Mar 22 16:19:52 maybe even one of those linux-running ones Mar 22 16:19:57 m0erk: think about the children! Mar 22 16:20:04 not the price Mar 22 16:20:09 :P Mar 22 16:20:19 m0erk: who is you? uni? Mar 22 16:20:35 uni of applied sciences Mar 22 16:20:51 iam just doing a proof of concept Mar 22 16:20:55 which one? Mar 22 16:20:58 they should be able to negotiate a good price Mar 22 16:21:04 bielefeld, germany Mar 22 16:21:12 bielefeld does not exist Mar 22 16:21:16 :) Mar 22 16:21:36 it depends :P Mar 22 16:21:44 it pretends Mar 22 16:23:08 i guess it needs a bit of development to get access to the DSP, mhm? Mar 22 16:23:18 look at c6run Mar 22 16:23:32 ok, thx so far Mar 22 16:23:57 keine ursache Mar 22 16:28:46 i'm on my 3G wireless internet now, can't connect directly to freenode it says I need SASL auth Mar 22 16:32:50 Has anyone here tried running beaglebone sw under qemu? Mar 22 16:35:27 what would be the point in that? Mar 22 16:36:16 It allows sw development when you don't have the hw handy Mar 22 16:36:41 Also, it is easier to setup automated testing of sw Mar 22 16:38:30 isnt it enough to use qemu for armv7 then? Mar 22 16:38:47 and not to emulate a full beagle Mar 22 16:38:58 why emulate at all? Mar 22 16:38:59 why would ld possibly complain about missing __aeabi_i2d when compiling a module? Mar 22 16:39:26 kernel module? Mar 22 16:39:35 no kernel Mar 22 16:39:44 itself Mar 22 16:39:52 you said "module" Mar 22 16:40:00 are you talking about the kernel or something else? Mar 22 16:40:58 emulation is most useful when it closely maps the hw and sw Mar 22 16:41:50 sorry. it's the kernel itself. A driver uses snprintf (which is in lib/lib.a) and passes a int as argument and %d formatting. Mar 22 16:41:51 depends Mar 22 16:41:54 you can't very well emulate all the bone connectivity into existence on a pc Mar 22 16:41:56 with emulation you can rapidly reset a dozen virutal boards back to a know state and rerun whatever tests you want Mar 22 16:42:19 hstimer: it all depends on what you want to test Mar 22 16:42:22 the reset button on the board does that pretty well too Mar 22 16:42:50 or a simple power switch :-) Mar 22 16:42:50 if you want to test LED blinking, you can as well compile the SW on a PC and make it write "blink" into a text file Mar 22 16:42:51 the reset button doesn't erase any change put to disk/flash Mar 22 16:42:53 and you can boot them over nfs or usb too Mar 22 16:43:12 hstimer: what do you want to auto-test? Mar 22 16:43:15 user space apps? Mar 22 16:43:19 kernel? Mar 22 16:43:20 drivers? Mar 22 16:43:36 user space apps, and kernel Mar 22 16:43:44 f11f12: you can't use floating-point in the kernel Mar 22 16:43:58 mru: one can always try... Mar 22 16:44:04 he did, and failed Mar 22 16:44:22 he was lucky it failed already at linking Mar 22 16:44:39 if you have are testing a distributed use case then you need x number of boards. it becomes a pain to have a bunch of physical boards Mar 22 16:45:06 most software can be tested by compiling for and running on a pc Mar 22 16:45:09 but what are you testing then? whether your network protocol works? Mar 22 16:45:09 no need for emulation Mar 22 16:45:19 is the bug in the software being tested, the test cases, or the emulation framework? :) Mar 22 16:45:20 what mru said Mar 22 16:45:28 mdp: all of the above Mar 22 16:45:52 and if the software can't be tested natively on a pc, an emulator isn't going to cut it either Mar 22 16:45:53 mru: why float? int value; ... snprintf ("%d",value); Mar 22 16:45:54 now you added a 3rd variable to your test methodology Mar 22 16:46:02 yes, you can test quite a bit without emulation, but you get more valid results with it. Mar 22 16:46:11 f11f12: that symbol it complained about deals with floating point Mar 22 16:46:27 nothing would be referencing it unless you used floats in your code Mar 22 16:46:42 yes, but I don't see why ld needs it, I don't use floats. Mar 22 16:46:47 hstimer: you get valid results by running on real hardware Mar 22 16:47:01 ask codesourcery what happens if you test only on emulators Mar 22 16:47:32 yes, they released a compiler where any code it produced crashed immediately on real hardware Mar 22 16:47:50 they'd only tested it on a broken emulator Mar 22 16:48:05 oops Mar 22 16:48:17 (least valid) instances of user space app running on generic linux -- apps running under emulation -- apps running under actual target hw (most valid) Mar 22 16:50:33 What I'm looking for is the middle choice above which provides for a lot of convenience than hw but more validity than no emulation Mar 22 16:51:12 of course, you have to test on real hw too, but emulation can provide lots of convenience day to day Mar 22 16:51:31 and emulation can help you get rid of most of your bugs before you go to hw Mar 22 16:52:27 that's not true in my experience Mar 22 16:52:28 imagine having to setup 1000+ beaglebones, vs 1000 emulated instances in the cloud Mar 22 16:53:28 hstimer: you just draw the line between what you can emulate and what you can't. simple as that. Mar 22 16:54:06 usually anything you can emulate you can do just as well natively Mar 22 16:54:41 emulators are mainly useful when real hardware is impossible to get, perhaps because it doesn't exist yet Mar 22 16:55:55 hstimer: if you absolutely have the need to emulate a full system and kernel, then use qemu Mar 22 16:56:11 but there is no qemu that will do that with all BB peripherals Mar 22 16:56:17 like the usb ethernet thing Mar 22 16:56:28 * dm8tbr would always prefer to run automated testing on the actual product Mar 22 16:56:57 if you need to test 1000 nodes, I doubt you need to emulate 1000x the real hardware Mar 22 16:58:02 1000 nodes would sound more like an academic experiment Mar 22 16:58:24 (or a cluster of rpi for native compiling ubuntu...) Mar 22 16:58:25 google has 1000 nodes Mar 22 16:58:43 google has a 1000 beaglebones? Mar 22 17:01:47 google will start selling beaglephones? Mar 22 17:02:02 :) Mar 22 17:03:06 I said nodes, not bones Mar 22 17:03:52 I think google has 100,000s of nodes Mar 22 17:04:00 but whose counting Mar 22 17:07:50 so has anyone made it easy to rackmount a pile of beaglebones? Mar 22 17:08:24 what for? Mar 22 17:08:31 testing Mar 22 17:08:42 av500 has a pile of beagleboards :) Mar 22 17:09:03 hstimer: test what? Mar 22 17:09:21 I think you will find that SW that runs on 1 will run one the other 999 too Mar 22 17:09:35 distributed sw Mar 22 17:09:45 so yes, it needs to run on many Mar 22 17:09:50 at the same time Mar 22 17:10:19 yes, but does the distributed part of the SW depends on the bone part? Mar 22 17:10:41 somewhat Mar 22 17:11:14 how so? Mar 22 17:11:36 got it :-) * 8 / 10 is better than *.8 (was well hidden in a #define...) Mar 22 17:11:41 * dm8tbr wonders what's the special tie in between distributed software and beagle hardware... Mar 22 17:11:54 throughput Mar 22 17:12:09 simulating lousy throughput is easy Mar 22 17:12:20 discovering of odd hw/sw interaction bugs Mar 22 17:12:36 those you will NEVER find in emulation... Mar 22 17:12:38 you can do that on 1 Mar 22 17:12:43 or a few Mar 22 17:17:21 hm, nice to see, that the bone brought more skilled people to the list Mar 22 17:17:23 my experience is that with distributed sw, it is critical to test with as many nodes as possible. First on my desktop with many instances, then with under visualization across many virtual nodes, and then with actual hw -- as many as I can get my hands on. at each stage I find more bugs, including only bugs that show with a 100 actual machines. Mar 22 17:18:03 yes, but in the end you need 100 machines anyway Mar 22 17:18:09 so why setup 100 qemu Mar 22 17:18:10 under full deployment I find even more bugs Mar 22 17:18:32 faster to use emulation at the earlier stages Mar 22 17:18:38 sure Mar 22 17:18:45 but faster to not setup qemu :) Mar 22 17:18:52 but do as you think :) Mar 22 17:19:06 I wonder what kind of bugs he's talking about Mar 22 17:19:32 hstimer: but to answer your original question, so far there is no full system qemu for the beagle Mar 22 17:19:34 or the bone Mar 22 17:20:31 all kinds of bugs -- weirdness in the tcp stack, compiler code gen bugs, os bugs, my bugs.... Mar 22 17:21:31 new topic --------------- Mar 22 17:21:55 you forget to add qemu bugs Mar 22 17:21:59 has anyone found an easy way to rackmount a bunch of beaglebones? Mar 22 17:22:28 * f11f12 tosses hstimer a pack of screws Mar 22 17:22:42 yes -- emulation bugs happen and they are a pain in the ass -- worse than compiler code gen bugs Mar 22 17:22:57 just use gcc, you get them for free Mar 22 17:23:05 roll of duct tape? Mar 22 17:23:30 real man use glue Mar 22 17:23:36 epoxy? Mar 22 17:24:43 * f11f12 thinks about maintenance :-) Mar 22 17:25:00 maintenance of epoxy? Mar 22 17:25:10 ynezz, on the list it seems like people are all giving answers to different problems sometimes Mar 22 17:28:17 yes, it's like koen here, you ask for ubuntu help and get bitbake answer Mar 22 17:28:24 :) Mar 22 17:28:41 that's just bzr Mar 22 17:29:18 ynezz, I read that spi gpio cs thing..answer..and then another guy answers a completely different question Mar 22 17:29:30 maybe my reading comprehension is failing Mar 22 17:29:30 level shifters! Mar 22 17:30:59 mdp: yep, I was reading that also Mar 22 17:31:31 mdp: kridners suggestion was to use an absurdly low speed like 1MHz for stock spidev Mar 22 17:32:03 you guys need to stop promoting spidev and userspace gpio as the solution for everything Mar 22 17:32:06 I didn't used spi on beagle yet, how do you use more spi devices on one spi bus? Mar 22 17:32:39 with mcspi? Mar 22 17:32:54 with one gpio per CS? Mar 22 17:33:19 add support to the driver to handle gpio chipselects instead of h/w chipselects..as an option Mar 22 17:33:21 that is sane Mar 22 17:33:33 and allows you to make use of stock drivers Mar 22 17:33:34 so, than it's same as on other platforms, isn't it? Mar 22 17:33:40 yes Mar 22 17:33:54 mdp: write a "guse" driver "gpio is user space" Mar 22 17:34:01 mdp: write a "guse" driver "gpio in user space" Mar 22 17:34:07 hehe Mar 22 17:34:32 at some point people have to accept that those interface to userspace are high latency, by design Mar 22 17:35:28 mdp: I hate spidev Mar 22 17:35:33 * ynezz looks briefly at the package of 5pcs of 1.8" SPI LCDs laying at the table :) Mar 22 17:35:34 mdp: put there's a huge demand for it Mar 22 17:35:47 spi videowall! Mar 22 17:35:53 spywall Mar 22 17:36:44 why is high latency designed in? Mar 22 17:39:02 jay6981: why? hrm, well, the person making a sysfs interface for gpio never envisioned people abusing it to try to do clocks, pwms, etc. from usersapce Mar 22 17:39:23 they envisioned people powering up a radio via it and other low latency things you might want to do Mar 22 17:39:26 fair enough? Mar 22 17:39:40 there's always room for somebody to create a new standard interface Mar 22 17:39:55 mdp: high latency :) Mar 22 17:39:59 yeah. i know what you're saying. when you said by design, it makes it sound like they wanted high latency. Mar 22 17:40:24 "by design" can mean that it was designed not to care about high latency Mar 22 17:40:35 fair enough :) Mar 22 17:40:40 iow, it was not a requirement to make a low latency interface Mar 22 17:41:22 how much high or low latency can you add? Mar 22 17:41:30 other subsystems expose very efficient interfaces to userspace…"these are not the subsystems you're looking for" Mar 22 17:41:32 heh Mar 22 17:41:36 it goes sysfs to the driver that offers that node Mar 22 17:41:43 the driver toggles a gpio Mar 22 17:42:03 how would you make that fast or slow? Mar 22 17:42:07 the other end of the spectrum is direct register banging Mar 22 17:42:48 one could add a SW pwm framework in the kernel Mar 22 17:42:50 the trick is to eliminate the context switch and passing through fops to the gpio driver Mar 22 17:42:53 that operates on gpios Mar 22 17:42:58 lol Mar 22 17:43:01 like the one that's there? Mar 22 17:43:07 see, that's my point.. Mar 22 17:43:14 :) Mar 22 17:43:19 I like my wheels selfinvented Mar 22 17:43:33 yeah, me too Mar 22 17:43:33 others never get the color right! Mar 22 17:43:45 I work on FOSS so I don't have to work hard Mar 22 17:43:55 maximimze coffee/beer times Mar 22 17:48:12 beer at work Mar 22 17:48:14 nice Mar 22 17:52:55 well :) Mar 22 17:55:45 or beer while you dont have to stay long at work? Mar 22 18:00:49 Anyone know if there is an OMAP5 ZooBoard in the works? Mar 22 18:01:11 yes Mar 22 18:03:29 bgamari: but there is no timeframe Mar 22 18:06:54 woglinde: thank you, HR would not approve of any other context Mar 22 18:12:27 eagleboard ftw Mar 22 18:14:59 * dm8tbr wonders if there will be also eagleborat Mar 22 18:15:20 bora*d* Mar 22 18:15:48 ah, right, typosquatter Mar 22 18:15:58 I hate these Mar 22 18:16:40 av500: we should make some stickers for the next conference Mar 22 18:16:46 \clear Mar 22 18:16:53 \no Mar 22 18:17:07 \blurry Mar 22 18:18:01 smeagolboard Mar 22 18:18:56 gollumborad? Mar 22 19:08:52 i'm bored Mar 22 19:12:19 djlewis: so troll someone Mar 22 19:12:52 boredboard Mar 22 19:13:23 *g* Mar 22 19:15:31 that's the version with big black hole in the center from thermal boring? Mar 22 19:17:45 seems like the only ones here to troll are the trolls Mar 22 19:18:00 is that a problem? Mar 22 19:18:15 no, just more difficult Mar 22 19:19:55 that's a circular troll Mar 22 19:28:02 redundant Mar 22 19:28:29 not bored anymore, eh? success! Mar 22 19:29:39 recursive troll Mar 22 19:30:53 more boris i see Mar 22 19:31:48 can't focus on trolling with all his posts Mar 22 19:32:31 i should get a LC Summit invite with that name :) Mar 22 19:33:31 percussive troll Mar 22 19:38:56 well all going to ibizia Mar 22 19:39:30 goa? it's cheaper. Mar 22 19:39:48 its only the poor song Mar 22 19:40:14 aye. Mar 22 19:51:30 I'm trying to find the most recent developments regarding ethernet connectivity problems with the BeagleBone A5. I am aware of the R219 and reset switch issues. I have customers reporting intermittent connection problems (does not connect). Does anyone know if there is a "known good" kernel for this? Any other ideas? thanks. Mar 22 19:53:52 hm I should patent "Take your baseballbat and go to india! Mar 22 19:53:54 " Mar 22 19:58:51 EtherBone: the know good kernel is what is shipping on the sd card Mar 22 19:59:52 koen, is your recommended github bone branch the one you were updating today? Mar 22 20:00:18 mdp: Mar 22 20:00:44 so you're telling me upstream is really the angstrom patch directory? :) Mar 22 20:00:45 mdp: but yes, the most recently updated branch is what I'm using Mar 22 20:00:50 ok Mar 22 20:01:09 mdp: I'm like greg k-h when it comes to kernels Mar 22 20:01:27 that means patches? Mar 22 20:02:10 woglinde: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/stable-queue.git;a=tree Mar 22 20:03:37 hm stable with a lot unfinished stuff Mar 22 20:03:46 wen outside x86 land Mar 22 20:03:48 when Mar 22 20:04:13 Koen: Thanks for the info - much appreciated! Mar 22 20:04:29 so one patch I need to send ot oe hinders openjdk 7 Mar 22 20:09:43 is there a way to check the angstrom version? (not the kernel version) Mar 22 20:12:19 does angstrom support /etc/lsb_release or /etc/os_release? Mar 22 20:12:42 LetoThe2nd: both Mar 22 20:13:07 thurbad: then there's your answer. Mar 22 20:13:14 * _av500_ strips LetoThe2nd of all embedded privileges Mar 22 20:13:15 cool, thanks Mar 22 20:13:23 LetoThe2nd: you mean /usr/bin/lsb_release, no? Mar 22 20:14:16 <_av500_> hmm, i should add that to our buildroot setup Mar 22 20:14:23 <_av500_> and make an android app for that Mar 22 20:14:24 buildroot? Mar 22 20:14:29 oh my god Mar 22 20:14:35 but /etc/angstrom-version and /etc/angstrom-buildinfo should be usefull to track versions Mar 22 20:14:54 me makes a repo sync on LetoThe2nd sources Mar 22 20:15:32 koen: kind of. not sure of the actuel specification, but on debianoids that (/usr/bin/lsb_release -a) basically yields the file /etc/lsb-release plus additionally found lsb modules. Mar 22 20:16:36 koen: ah ok /etc/angstrom-version then. Mar 22 20:16:49 * _av500_ wonders if cobol programmers talked like that before they died out Mar 22 20:17:09 av500 there are still cobol software running Mar 22 20:17:16 so you can make good money Mar 22 20:17:27 cobol is still very much alive here :( Mar 22 20:17:30 <_av500_> woglinde: yes, even more than with desktop linux :) Mar 22 20:17:34 LetoThe2nd: http://pastebin.com/P7Ep3wrL Mar 22 20:17:51 LetoThe2nd: no lsb_release file in /etc/, only the huge perl script Mar 22 20:17:55 djlewis at your ranch? Mar 22 20:18:21 no, thats cabbage Mar 22 20:18:33 koen: hm. Mar 22 20:18:58 koen: on *buntu its there. strange Mar 22 20:19:18 LetoThe2nd: I must admit I only studied part of the lsb spec before my eyes started bleeding Mar 22 20:19:43 koen: hehe, i happily admit i haven't ever had a single look at it Mar 22 20:19:54 keep it that way :) Mar 22 20:20:12 yeah, intended to! Mar 22 20:20:31 <_av500_> koen: I was even blissfully unaware of this spec Mar 22 20:20:35 <_av500_> for a long long time Mar 22 20:22:17 <_av500_> its like with google products, you become aware when google stops them :) Mar 22 20:22:32 :) Mar 22 20:22:47 hrhrhr Mar 22 20:46:25 the bone cpu can only be brought to life with some funny pmic companion chip, right? Mar 22 20:48:06 you need to supply power somehow Mar 22 20:48:29 and sacrifice a chicken Mar 22 20:48:53 hm, ti didn't send any checken with my beaglebone. Mar 22 20:49:45 maybe they sacrificed one on your behalf Mar 22 20:49:54 chicken and cow Mar 22 20:49:56 I wonder if they get a bulk discount Mar 22 20:50:11 hrhr Mar 22 20:51:08 at least it's been established that at least something of chicken magnitude is required Mar 22 20:51:42 for instance, berries don't seem to work at all Mar 22 20:51:53 wonder if you can use one of those bird flu chickens Mar 22 20:51:56 hell, that won't even let you _build_ the thing Mar 22 20:51:57 * djlewis had no luck with veggies either Mar 22 20:52:12 alcohol helps, methinks. Mar 22 20:52:16 ds2: where did you think silicon errata came from Mar 22 20:52:22 now you are on the right track :) Mar 22 20:52:40 LetoThe2nd: ^^^ Mar 22 20:52:48 hmm, there is beer in the fridge... Mar 22 20:53:09 .j #motoactv Mar 22 20:53:10 Its guess that beer time ! ding ding ding ... Mar 22 20:53:13 blah Mar 22 20:53:20 djlewis: i'm always on the right track. i'm a frigging sandworm god emperor! Mar 22 20:53:20 nice pwd Mar 22 20:53:28 lol Mar 22 20:54:54 LetoThe2nd: I did not know sandworms ran on rails Mar 22 20:56:37 mru: according to my official biography, outside my temple i only can move in some waterproof sealed vehicle. i'm sure there's a rail version also. Mar 22 20:57:31 sandworms run off eating mammal flesh Mar 22 20:57:46 this Dune? Mar 22 20:57:54 * djlewis suspects Mar 22 21:02:32 <_av500_> yes, but he has his clear moments Mar 22 21:02:57 only very occasionally. Mar 22 21:04:22 <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: did you get a waterproof sealed vehicle for the move? Mar 22 21:04:57 _av500_: not yet, unfortunately :( Mar 22 21:05:02 LetoThe2nd: I did not know you were American Mar 22 21:05:36 mru: hey, not only americans have the right to go insane. Mar 22 21:06:10 <_av500_> the right? you mean the duty Mar 22 21:06:13 that was in regard to leaving your temple only in a waterproof, sealed vehicle Mar 22 21:06:38 mru: aaaaaaaah Mar 22 21:07:02 Sealed U???? Vehicle? Mar 22 21:11:53 hmm, a rotating thunderstorm 10 miles away and headed toward my home :( Mar 22 21:12:18 <_av500_> CW or CCW? Mar 22 21:12:37 arent they all ccw above 0degree latitude? Mar 22 21:12:59 <_av500_> dunno, never was in one Mar 22 21:13:28 i'll give you a play by play if I happen to ride one .. maybe... Mar 22 21:20:40 _av500_: heh how did the veggie thread turn into a discussion on cannibalism? Mar 22 21:21:19 <_av500_> mranostay: it evolved Mar 22 21:40:31 _av500_: trolling like a champ? Mar 22 21:47:39 <_av500_> i still want to have ethical defined :) Mar 22 22:00:55 make tze bone fly ,9 Mar 22 22:01:23 ethical, a substance for drinking rather than being burned in a combustion engine Mar 22 22:09:32 <_av500_> +1 Mar 22 22:12:02 -P Mar 22 22:18:00 _av500_: so can we go into the ethics of spending money on useless stuff when their are starving people? Mar 22 22:18:13 "think of the children!" Mar 22 22:18:42 mranostay: fortunately for me i see that spending money on useless stuff actually makes other people afford food Mar 22 22:19:00 which is waay better than dumping rice! Mar 22 22:19:28 everyone wins! Mar 22 22:19:36 but imagine if all those people were working on something useful instead Mar 22 22:19:48 mru: that will never ever happen Mar 22 22:19:58 depends on how you define useful Mar 22 22:20:18 <_av500_> so my new phone: http://www.android.com/devices/detail/kyocera-honey-bee-softbank-101k Mar 22 22:20:38 nice Mar 22 22:20:50 no one will ever steal it .. Mar 22 22:20:50 _av500_: your daughter would not let you keep that Mar 22 22:21:04 that is a 3D screen, right? Mar 22 22:21:19 <_av500_> ds2: 4D even Mar 22 22:21:26 <_av500_> its japanese Mar 22 22:21:36 it says 800x480 Mar 22 22:21:39 it's hillarius Mar 22 22:21:40 that's two dimensions Mar 22 22:22:30 mru: a squint display Mar 22 22:36:02 5D! Mar 22 22:52:35 * mranostay checks how much longer he has to keep his crap phone Mar 22 22:53:23 are you willing to pay for next day delivery? Mar 22 22:59:44 mru: or the full upgrade price Mar 22 22:59:58 you buy phones on contract? Mar 22 23:00:19 er yes Mar 22 23:00:28 most americans do Mar 22 23:00:56 is it a requirement to do what most people do? Mar 22 23:01:05 you do know you still pay for the thing, right? Mar 22 23:01:16 the system is rigged to fuck you Mar 22 23:01:19 setprops lemmings.mode false Mar 22 23:08:24 in germany its quite nice Mar 22 23:09:44 mru: yes but it is $500 + service fee you'd pay anyway... Mar 22 23:10:00 really? Mar 22 23:10:02 or ~$200 + 2 year contract Mar 22 23:10:15 here the monthly fee is close to nothing without a phone Mar 22 23:10:28 heh define nothing Mar 22 23:10:58 I pay £5 for basic service + £5 for "unlimited" data Mar 22 23:11:07 with a phone it would be at least twice as much Mar 22 23:11:18 at least for any half-decent phone Mar 22 23:12:25 what does basic service include? Mar 22 23:12:40 a few hundred minutes of calls and unlimited sms Mar 22 23:13:02 mru: so about $20 US? Mar 22 23:13:18 yeah that would be about $80 here Mar 22 23:13:20 here basic is a couple hundred minutes, no text, no data... ad costs about $30 a month Mar 22 23:13:22 more like $16 with the current exchange rates Mar 22 23:13:28 and that's including VAT Mar 22 23:13:37 mru: no data? Mar 22 23:13:52 hm I am paying no more than 30 a year Mar 22 23:13:54 £10 for calls, sms, and data Mar 22 23:14:02 but I dont use internet via it Mar 22 23:14:13 unlimited data doesn't really exist anymore here Mar 22 23:14:27 mine isn't unlimited, but I never use it up Mar 22 23:14:31 unlimited is unlimited Mar 22 23:14:32 it's something like 4GB Mar 22 23:14:34 at least on the major carriers pos t4g Mar 22 23:14:41 but after 1 gig or some more Mar 22 23:14:46 your are at 56k Mar 22 23:15:14 once you go over a certain amount you get capped to 3g speed with the so called unlimited plans Mar 22 23:16:15 oh, and we don't pay to receive calls Mar 22 23:16:16 I think it's 1GB before the cap kicks in Mar 22 23:16:30 data only is about $30 by itself Mar 22 23:16:41 I hate having to pay for people spamming me text messages Mar 22 23:17:06 receiving text messages _never_ costs me anything, not even roaming Mar 22 23:17:26 mru *g* Mar 22 23:17:55 mru: really? HMMMM };-) Mar 22 23:17:57 at&t will just nickel and dime you to death, but they were the only company that had a signal where I lived previously Mar 22 23:18:25 mru: do those rules apply to prepaid sims? Mar 22 23:18:55 ds2: you never pay for incoming texts, prepaid or contract Mar 22 23:19:07 and incoming calls never cost anything at home Mar 22 23:20:10 mru: I mean the roaming part Mar 22 23:20:25 the old ATT used to have free incoming Mar 22 23:20:29 then it got orangified Mar 22 23:20:51 then it became cingular, and renamed itself att Mar 22 23:21:26 ds2: I've never heard of anyone paying for incoming texts, ever Mar 22 23:21:40 mru: but do prepaid sims let you roam Mar 22 23:21:44 sure Mar 22 23:21:54 otherwise, prepaid incoming and... Mar 22 23:22:14 of course when roaming, incoming calls do cost you Mar 22 23:22:34 block the calls Mar 22 23:22:50 of course you can refuse to answer Mar 22 23:23:05 better then prepaid SIMs here... SMS is like $0.25 each (either direction) Mar 22 23:23:21 although it quite pissed me off once when the idiotic (norwegian) carrier charged me roaming rates for incoming calls that went to voicemail Mar 22 23:23:41 afaik att will charge for incoming text if you don't have a text plan even if you never read it Mar 22 23:23:49 just because the phone was last seen on a foreign network Mar 22 23:24:05 :/ Mar 22 23:24:12 thurbad: there's no way they can know if you read it Mar 22 23:24:35 the message is delivered to the phone, and that's it Mar 22 23:24:38 there you go then... Mar 22 23:24:41 they charge both the sender and the recipient Mar 22 23:24:56 sending can be done free Mar 22 23:25:10 with online services, yeah Mar 22 23:25:42 i dropped the "text messaging" plan. i get my SMS delivered via google voice now. carriers can suck it Mar 22 23:27:18 my first isp charged by the minute, and would keep charging even if you lost connection ~.~ Mar 22 23:27:33 compuserve? Mar 22 23:27:40 quickly dropped them Mar 22 23:27:46 sprynet I think Mar 22 23:28:29 they were kinda big in the us about 15 years ago or more Mar 22 23:29:21 looks like they were afiliated with compuserve Mar 22 23:29:52 nite Mar 22 23:34:50 mru: yeah we don't really have unlimited as well. but i'm grandfathered in Verizon's one Mar 22 23:35:26 I'm gandfathered on att's they changed the definition of unlimited Mar 22 23:35:44 some months i use like 150mb others 4gb.. Mar 22 23:36:25 yes, the carriers changed the definition of unlimited to be limited Mar 22 23:36:33 I never really use any since htc broke tethering on an update they pushed out Mar 22 23:37:14 should probably drop my service level Mar 22 23:38:43 then the was the warrantless wiretapping and retroactive immunity Mar 22 23:40:35 jay6981: well corporates are people too now :P Mar 22 23:40:45 can't wait till att and other isp's start turning their customers in for torrenting Mar 22 23:40:55 except they don't die or go to jail Mar 22 23:41:56 actually maybe it'll speed up my service :P Mar 23 01:04:10 anyone try out the gadget support in u-boot for cdc ethernet? Mar 23 01:08:33 didn't know it existed Mar 23 01:09:02 has anyone done the musb glue? Mar 23 01:09:14 Ihttp://elinux.org/U-boot_musb_gadget_support Mar 23 01:09:23 it links to sakoman's repo, which is down Mar 23 01:09:52 er, the actual link should be .com, not .net Mar 23 01:09:57 but that 404 Mar 23 01:10:44 oh not upstreamed yet Mar 23 01:11:28 under linux, I bridge the gadget usb ethernet device to my network, it'd be really nice to do that under u-boot as well Mar 23 01:12:15 easier to have a proper ethernet on the board Mar 23 01:12:21 if you must use ethernet Mar 23 01:12:23 I'm going to have to ask sakoman and Tartarus what the status is Mar 23 01:12:30 ds2, this is a b4, so no ethernet Mar 23 01:13:22 SD card boot then Mar 23 01:15:44 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/tQMvFU9Dj5Q Mar 23 01:18:03 link is broke. I don't goto javascript infested links Mar 23 02:10:43 Hello there, can anyone help me with beagleboard? it´s the first time i´m using one of that kind Mar 23 02:13:05 is it necessary the conversor idc-10 to db9 to view the first boot? I have read this is just for debbuging. Is it right? My question is: can i see the Beagleboard Logo without this cable? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 23 02:59:58 2012