**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 04 02:59:59 2012 May 04 03:32:54 er ok so what is a heathkid exactly? May 04 03:33:34 mranostay: uh... *me* May 04 03:34:07 lame May 04 03:34:25 someone who's dad designed Heathkits at Heath Company... I was a kid at the time... May 04 03:34:33 i was expecting a party May 04 03:34:34 so I'm a Heath Kid May 04 03:34:40 lame? May 04 03:36:01 I'll party when the kit has been designed, prototyped, manual written, gone into production... and sells. May 04 03:36:20 and I can write a manual like no one else May 04 03:36:22 trust me May 04 03:36:32 taught by the best May 04 03:36:54 but this isn't about Heathkits... May 04 03:37:09 aren't we supposed to be talking about beagles here? May 04 03:37:16 I came here for the Beagle-Bone May 04 03:37:42 so make fun of my nick mranostay May 04 03:37:48 nice May 04 03:42:40 which is the right channel? May 04 03:42:49 #beagle or #beagleboard? May 04 03:43:07 here. May 04 03:44:10 I'm actually looking to buy one. May 04 03:44:44 Looks like a great little platform for a project of mine that requires a little more power than the arduino. May 04 03:57:06 KeatonT: this is a LOT more than a "little more power" May 04 03:57:13 not even in the same class May 04 03:57:19 lol heathkid I agree :P May 04 03:57:47 I'm just making sure it will be completely capable of doing what I need it too before I grab one. May 04 03:58:22 doens't everyone wish for that? May 04 03:58:49 sort of depends on what you're doing and your expectations May 04 03:58:50 I suppose. May 04 03:59:05 I've never found the exact match for anything May 04 03:59:18 Basically I'm creating an entry logging system / alarm system. May 04 03:59:25 but the Beagle-Bone *is* the right match for what I'm trying to do May 04 03:59:31 and I really want to keep everything on one board. May 04 04:00:09 that's a VERY broad description of what you want to do.... May 04 04:00:19 lol May 04 04:00:30 It's complicated. May 04 04:00:45 throw in facial recognition to your entry logging system and let's push the envelope! May 04 04:00:51 Plus it's about time for me to get some sleep. So I guess that makes me lazy :P May 04 07:23:34 PING 1336116175 258110 May 04 07:56:03 av500: meego is good for something after all: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8418 May 04 07:56:14 av500: native wl12xx handling in connman May 04 07:56:41 what FTDI drivers is recommended to use with bone from osx? May 04 07:57:50 the FTDI_Ser.dmg from http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/README.htm ? May 04 08:02:10 hmm, rmk making sense May 04 08:28:19 this file shuld be removed -> http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/Drivers/MacOSX/FTDI/FTDI_Ser.dmg May 04 08:28:28 it's broken. May 04 08:28:45 isbric: please report that on the mailing list May 04 08:30:36 http://openocd.sourceforge.net/ that mailing list? May 04 08:30:42 nope May 04 08:30:56 the beagleboard one May 04 08:31:44 http://beagleboard.org/discuss May 04 08:32:05 * av500 assumes everybody here is subscribed there anyway.... May 04 08:33:08 am now May 04 08:43:58 argh, im no good with mailing lists. May 04 10:24:32 jsabeaudry: FWIW, there's an 11a branch now with all 3 of the irq patches May 04 10:24:44 jsabeaudry: won't fix preempt, but at least they are all in one repo now May 04 11:09:06 could anyone please tell me what I should lookup to do serial communication on for example uart1 with my beaglebone? I found all needed info for python, but I'm using Gnu C and don't know if there is a specific library for serial there May 04 11:15:26 educa: what dist are you running? May 04 11:15:40 angstrom demo that came on my rev5 May 04 11:15:53 educa: handling a serial in C is a well researched topic May 04 11:16:11 well I'm googling :) May 04 11:16:19 just you see everywhere the use of libraries May 04 11:16:33 and I was wondering what lib it is in gcc (if any lib needed) May 04 11:16:40 ah, i dont know about angstrom but common linux lets you use stty to handle the port as a fifo May 04 11:16:42 I'm really not asking in the wild May 04 11:16:50 I'm sure there are libs May 04 11:17:35 educa: serial comunications are operating system dependent, for linux you have to look at POSIX stuff. May 04 11:17:39 I'm a beginner with beaglebone, but I allready could read/write to gpio and do analog in. Next on the list is hardware pwm and after that serial May 04 11:18:21 or use stty as i mentioned May 04 11:19:24 use stty as if it were a file ? May 04 11:19:39 like cout and cin ? May 04 11:19:48 everything is a file May 04 11:19:56 except when its not May 04 11:20:26 yeah sorry for stupid questions but I come from windows land so I am unknowing when it is about such topics May 04 11:21:38 https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+serial+port+programming May 04 11:21:40 np May 04 11:23:45 thanks, new study stuff May 04 11:23:48 cya laterz May 04 11:25:51 educa: https://github.com/ynezz/librs232 May 04 11:29:08 * mdp imagines networking as a file May 04 11:29:47 plan9 ? May 04 11:30:07 yup May 04 11:33:04 ynezz: only fixed baudrates? May 04 11:33:53 patches welcome :) May 04 11:34:37 but it wouldn't be that portable I think May 04 11:35:10 well, even 460800 is not portable is the serial port does not support it May 04 11:35:17 it does May 04 11:35:55 it's some "standard" baudrate May 04 11:36:38 but I know what you mean May 04 11:37:25 it only support rs232 compliant serial operation? :) May 04 11:38:03 people are selling raspberry pi's on ebay for >100 Pounds ..... whilst at RS and Farnell it costs 27 pounds..... and the worst thing ppl are actually bidding on it.... May 04 11:38:22 because it's new and I want it! May 04 11:38:28 arcanescu: sure May 04 11:38:30 just when you thought you had seen everything May 04 11:38:32 :/ May 04 11:38:32 supply and demand May 04 11:38:53 yea but you could get a beagleboard same price 100 pounds :/ May 04 11:38:57 rofl May 04 11:39:00 and its faster and better :/ May 04 11:39:12 niro: what is funny? May 04 11:39:20 the first ones got sold for 240pounds May 04 11:39:40 some kid that got one for free and was "not into computing" May 04 11:39:41 That people would pay 100 pounds for a raspberry pi May 04 11:39:48 bradfa: jkrinder: I have pushed the patch related to irq, which we had discussed day before yesterday. It should be available in arago repo exactly after 5 mins. Crone job starts after 5 mins to push it :) May 04 11:39:48 i mean i get it for the first batch.... that cuz the media ppl probably wanted May 04 11:39:58 they should come with a gold chain so you can wear them as a badge of honor May 04 11:40:15 mdp: best idea ive heard for the pi's May 04 11:40:30 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-/170831926379?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item27c660546b May 04 11:41:45 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-BNIB-/280869281152?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item41651d1d80 May 04 11:41:51 320 pounds May 04 11:42:04 holy mother of!!!! :/ May 04 11:42:39 you can buy alot of shiny stuff for that much !! May 04 11:42:44 sure May 04 11:42:53 but people buy 1k t-shirts.... May 04 11:43:26 in the end, its just money.... May 04 11:43:39 well that brings in a whole new "class" debate May 04 11:43:59 well yea money which some people dont have nevermind money ... food May 04 11:44:02 so May 04 11:44:13 to be competative beagle needs to raise it prices to $500 May 04 11:44:38 I think it needs a bit more PR May 04 11:44:44 bah, nobody wants the beagle, it's not cheap enough :) May 04 11:45:18 arcanescu: the beagle was selling faster than they could be built for a long time May 04 11:45:20 koen, the one article I truly liked: "the much less flexible BeagleBone"..hehe May 04 11:45:20 some 2-3 projects send them to clickonline or bbc and voila May 04 11:45:41 mru: i didnt know that... hmmm May 04 11:46:15 same with panda May 04 11:46:28 hvaibhav: hi May 04 11:46:38 mru: thanks to part shortage that's still the case May 04 11:47:15 maybe, that someone at RPI should blog about this :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/848154 May 04 11:47:32 "oh, no ubuntu on rpi?" May 04 11:48:03 hvaibhav: wanted you to know I'm working on edma3 conversion May 04 11:48:05 ynezz: there will be ubuntu on Pi May 04 11:48:11 spaceman said it recently May 04 11:48:30 no way, they've even deleted the talk on UDS about it May 04 11:49:21 read the 3rd comment from top May 04 11:49:21 :D May 04 11:49:35 flaming... clearly May 04 11:49:46 "...."We just couldn't connect all the dots in the first version... I'd be delighted if a future version worked with us," Mr Shuttleworth adds....." May 04 11:50:04 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-q-platforms-emerging May 04 11:50:29 taken from here: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17916879 May 04 11:50:47 of course, when interviewed by the beeb, one needs to appease the rpi crowd May 04 11:50:52 mmmmm…RPi as a gateway dru^H^H^Hdevice May 04 11:51:07 hm, maybe they've found someone crazy enough to sponsor it :p May 04 11:51:25 I should setup some ebay rpi scraper that goes beep once the price drops to <$35 May 04 11:51:30 ynezz: no May 04 11:51:36 ynezz: they will do it themselves May 04 11:51:45 they need the publicity May 04 11:52:49 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Fedora-Operating-System-8GB-SD-Card-Expanded-/300691724203 May 04 11:52:52 oh, is it "why ubuntu haz no support for my beloveth hypeboard?"-friday again? May 04 11:53:37 ynezz: sometimes I wish we could point people to beagle OS cards on ebay May 04 11:53:47 LetoThe2nd: we waited all week for this…kept the jokes to a minimum…provided top notch support…and now... May 04 11:55:07 hmhm May 04 11:55:48 if we had the ISA slot cape, that's surely something RPi can't beat us at May 04 11:56:05 wow they are even selling sd cards for it :/ ..... now thats new May 04 11:56:21 http://www.arstech.com/item-USB-2-0-to-ISA-card-ROHS-usb2isar.html May 04 11:56:25 mdp: easy: ^^^^ May 04 11:56:27 "you will also need the operating system in order to boot into Linux" amazing catch phrase May 04 11:56:27 people are selling sd cards for beagle as well May 04 11:56:38 av500, you missed a retirement opportunity of selling those OS cards May 04 11:56:58 av500, usb doesn't work for me :) May 04 11:57:02 rpi: 35$. sdcard: 20$. now thats a good deal indeed. closely approaching windows systems where the os price is half of the total system ;) May 04 11:57:12 it breaks when I come within 1.5m May 04 11:57:47 mdp: try abseiling from the ceiling to trick it May 04 11:58:42 \o/ abseiling, like in usb impossible? May 04 12:00:00 i cant seem to find beagle sd cards May 04 12:01:24 koen, thanks for the heads up May 04 12:04:02 av500, that almost deserves a most interesting man meme May 04 12:04:23 LetoThe2nd: I believe that's USB Unpossible May 04 12:04:40 mdp: possibly. May 04 12:04:57 remarkably possibly May 04 12:05:11 remarkably possible May 04 12:06:15 probably probable parables May 04 12:10:00 hvaibhav, thanks! I'll pull this into my next kernel compile. Should I notice any difference in operation with this patch? (sorry, still learning my way around the kernel) May 04 12:10:57 20% speedup May 04 12:12:56 hi :) i build an angstrom kernel an image with bitbake. I move MLO u-boot.img uImage on /boot and put fs in rootfs but when i put sd on beagleboard xM nothing start only a '60' in console May 04 12:13:12 i think is a problem with uboot May 04 12:13:16 no May 04 12:13:19 any ideas? May 04 12:13:33 card formatted wrongly May 04 12:13:50 fat32 boot ext3 rootfs May 04 12:14:09 correct May 04 12:14:38 so? May 04 12:16:04 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.beagleboard.user/15307/focus=15330 May 04 12:26:56 koen, I love your github branch names, they're very easy to say out loud ;) May 04 12:28:54 bradfa, :) May 04 12:44:24 av500: thanks...now works May 04 12:44:31 what did you change? May 04 12:45:23 av500: reformated the card and using mkcard script May 04 12:50:53 ok...now is booting and take more times...so when i'm waiting i ask another question :) i read that i can use bitbake somepackage to install to in rootfs, but after i have to rerun bitbake system-gnome-image? or not? May 04 12:51:39 or rather use opkg install May 04 12:52:01 i don't want use opkg... May 04 12:52:32 it's too simple? May 04 12:52:55 ynezz: no because i'm learning how to create kernel and image May 04 12:53:42 ynezz: i want understand how can i add package before put sd in bb... May 04 12:53:52 add the package to your config May 04 12:53:58 koen already told you May 04 12:54:19 remeber, thats when you started to argue May 04 12:54:22 +m May 04 12:54:39 av500: but i haven't config...where is the config? May 04 12:54:48 it's your image.bb May 04 12:55:44 and it located in setup-scripts? May 04 12:56:41 did I said that? May 04 12:57:06 it's buried somewhere down in the meta-meta-layer-hell May 04 12:57:33 just look for the recipe of the final image you're building May 04 12:57:47 systemd-gnome-image.bb or something like that May 04 12:57:49 mmm...i have more meta-* folder...there are meta-angstrom meta-ti ecc.. May 04 12:57:53 which might be named similar to "system-gnome-image" May 04 12:58:17 ok i'm searching systemd-gnome-image here May 04 12:59:23 [15:52:50] cp systemd-gnome-image.bb my-image.bb ; emacs my-image.bb ; bitbake my-image.bb May 04 12:59:26 uah...found! May 04 13:00:51 ok... emacs is like vim? May 04 13:01:07 use any editor you like May 04 13:01:14 maybe not notepad May 04 13:01:21 gedit :) May 04 13:01:33 whatever rocks your boat May 04 13:01:52 ok...so that recipes containt something like IMAGE_INSTALL+= task-gnome task-gnome-apps ec... May 04 13:02:27 if i want add package i add here? May 04 13:04:32 so if i want libgles-omap3 package i add a line here? libgles-omap3 \ May 04 13:04:42 probably May 04 13:04:56 XorA, http://www.xora.com/ss/wp-content/uploads/xlp/xora_retarget.html May 04 13:05:44 av500: so what i'm doing when i use MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake libgles-omap3 ? May 04 13:06:51 then you are probably building libgles-omap3 May 04 13:08:00 and i need build manually? or when its build system-gnome-image its found libles-omap3 and build autmatically? May 04 13:08:28 yes, automagically May 04 13:08:43 there is also this whole rule #3 thing May 04 13:08:56 av500: ? May 04 13:09:06 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30 May 04 13:09:24 :D May 04 13:10:39 ok...last question and after i will try... is there a method to know what package can i add? May 04 13:10:59 something like bitbake search package? May 04 13:11:04 any package that exists? May 04 13:11:16 find . -name "*.bb" May 04 13:11:30 av500: ok...but for example i want qtembedded but i don't know the name of package May 04 13:11:46 a...manually search....ok :) May 04 13:12:00 you will find it May 04 13:13:24 or search http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ :P May 04 13:15:22 ok now i'm trying thanks :P May 04 13:38:22 >_< error1 unparsed line IMAGE_INSTALL += " \ May 04 13:38:22 task-gnome \ May 04 13:38:22 task-gnome-apps \ May 04 13:38:22 task-gnome-themes \ May 04 13:38:22 task-gnome-xserver-base \ May 04 13:38:24 task-xserver \ May 04 13:38:26 task-gnome-fonts \ May 04 13:38:28 libgles-omap3 \ May 04 13:38:30 May 04 13:38:32 " May 04 13:38:42 its correct May 04 13:40:15 remove the empty line or escape it May 04 13:41:53 Crofton|work: I prefer the option of serving more for more May 04 13:43:24 stuk_gen: obviously it's not correct May 04 13:43:44 i try without empty line... May 04 13:43:57 note that there was no empty line before May 04 13:44:03 but why every times its spend a lot of time to do parsing recipes? May 04 13:44:20 because thats how openembeeded works May 04 13:44:42 so this 5-6 minutes is not speedable...ok thanks May 04 13:44:59 5-6m? May 04 13:45:06 yes May 04 13:55:03 stuk_gen, I suspect this might be speedable with a ssd May 04 13:55:24 jsabeaudry: or to buy another pc :P May 04 13:56:01 yes, time to let that 486 go May 04 13:56:18 this is pentium dual core :D May 04 13:56:36 1.46ghz May 04 13:57:12 aye aye aye, this is morethan twice as fast as a beaglebone, where did you buy that speed deamon May 04 13:57:14 * mdp upgrades his 386sx/16 to 4MB RAM May 04 13:58:03 this is the reason of cross-compile :) May 04 14:26:13 Any idea why dma_addr_t are cast to unsigned long in the http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/EDMA_sample_test_application? May 04 14:26:57 you could take it out and see what warnings you get? May 04 14:27:52 hi May 04 14:27:59 jsabeaudry: maybe its a cargo cast May 04 14:28:26 just made a new store site at http://store.richardsnow.info it uses an xml file for the inventory updates no database needed. May 04 14:28:47 the xml comes from my dropshipper May 04 14:30:02 av500, what is a cargo cast? May 04 14:31:34 jsabeaudry: cargo cult cast May 04 14:50:48 When trying to build my module against koen's r11c, it cant find plat/gpmc.h but the file is there, am I correct to think that something is wrong in the kernel config? May 04 14:56:33 koen: it seems -c cleanstate is the quickest way to get a modified kernel and its modules all compiled without bumping PR, cleanstate also implies -c clean, all is good May 04 14:57:00 xxiao: why clean? if kernel config changed, it recompiles anyway May 04 14:57:47 av500: not in my case, try it yourself, virtual/kernel just pull from sstate cache if PR is unchanged May 04 14:57:56 even with clean, -f, etc May 04 14:58:18 well, openembedded might fuck that up May 04 14:59:27 if i do 'bitbake virtual/kernel -c wrongcmd' this should exit immediately, instead of after parsing 5000 recipes then tell me the argument is wrong... May 04 15:00:23 maybe a recipe can define a command? May 04 15:02:12 for similar rootfs size, oe still takes at least twice long to build comparing to openwrt, sigh May 04 15:02:32 xxiao: out of curiosity, why are you using it? May 04 15:03:00 and openwrt offers 1/4 of the configurability May 04 15:03:04 so OE wins :-D May 04 15:03:24 over here we use buildroot for all the "fixed" parts of the rootfs May 04 15:03:31 kernel and our apps we build outside May 04 15:03:48 with simple makes that rebuild on changes May 04 15:04:26 av500: at job we use angstrom/arago + android May 04 15:04:40 at weekends i use openwrt May 04 15:05:22 xxiao: the question was "why"? :) May 04 15:05:38 yeah, why arago? May 04 15:05:53 av500: ti's sdk is arago-based May 04 15:05:59 yeah arago is not koen compliant :-D May 04 15:06:14 arago is not as good as angstrom :) so i use both May 04 15:07:00 xxiao: so basically you use oe via arago because there somebody figured out how to build dsplinlk May 04 15:07:29 av500: not really, we use openmax / syslink May 04 15:07:33 XorA: bravo! :) May 04 15:07:55 anyway we use oe for diagnostic, bringup etc, May 04 15:08:12 i dare not to use android for that May 04 15:08:13 koen: stop hating, start loving! :) nobody steals your laurels :) May 04 15:08:16 you mean angstrom? May 04 15:08:24 denix: I always imagine when you and koen meet you have discussions with rubber mallets :-D May 04 15:08:36 :) May 04 15:09:07 av500: moving from arago towards angstrom, still unsure how much i'm going to like systemd May 04 15:09:22 its awesome May 04 15:09:22 then don't use it May 04 15:09:28 create your own image without it May 04 15:09:31 polish your python skillz May 04 15:09:47 and if you keep using arago, stop using #beagle for support and bother your TI rep May 04 15:10:09 here I side with koen :) May 04 15:10:12 come on, I love koen as my brother! (when I don't want to kill him...) May 04 15:10:27 denix: when will oe-core etc be ready for arago? May 04 15:10:32 brothers killed each other from early on... May 04 15:10:40 I need an experienced C programmer to translate some automation software (in C) to the Beagle board. How do I find one? May 04 15:10:43 even since they were able May 04 15:10:52 :) May 04 15:10:57 Phd: gcc.gnu.org ? May 04 15:11:34 Sorry for being ignorant -- what is gcc.gnu.org/ May 04 15:11:53 a compiler May 04 15:11:59 xxiao: oe-core for arago - that's backwards... May 04 15:12:00 looks more like a url to me May 04 15:12:36 denix: pleaste take your biz-talk elsewhere, we are having a friday here May 04 15:12:36 needs a cross compiler :/ May 04 15:12:37 denix: whatever that order is...i guess, when will SDK begin to use the new oe May 04 15:12:40 mru: it's a magic link! May 04 15:12:57 denix: did you know that connman has builtin handling for all that wl12xx firmware crap? May 04 15:13:00 Phd: C programmers can be hired May 04 15:13:06 xxiao: the work is going on, but slow May 04 15:13:47 ok that in business sense means forever May 04 15:13:49 Phd: $$$$$ ? May 04 15:14:00 koen: yes, one step further into a linux dependency hell May 04 15:14:08 koen: quite possible. but with all the teams in TI doing their own thing... May 04 15:14:09 Yes, I have severl budgets May 04 15:14:15 denix: about the linux-yocto, ping me if you need lights about how to reuse the old defconfig or better how to start integraton with Yocto out-of-tree May 04 15:14:31 Phd, where are you located? May 04 15:14:32 koen: aren't you a networkmanager guy vs. connman? :) May 04 15:14:42 Grass Valley, CA May 04 15:14:57 Phd: what is the nature of automation software? some detail May 04 15:15:08 whats the mailing list position on job offers? May 04 15:15:14 koen: ^^ ? May 04 15:15:20 Transfering C code from a Lattice Mico32 processor to the Beagle Board May 04 15:15:36 ant_work: sounds good. we looked into it, but not ready to use linux-yocto yet May 04 15:15:55 Phd: what "os" is the laticce running? May 04 15:16:40 It is a 32 bit processor built into Lattices X-17 FPGA. I don't think there is an OS May 04 15:16:41 xxiao: sometimes I feel the same. SDK teams are busy with their existing releases... I cannot do their work for them May 04 15:16:42 denix: connman for console, nm for gui May 04 15:16:54 koen: lol May 04 15:16:58 connman for console??? May 04 15:17:00 denix: xxiao is ne/ce based, he's screwed anyway :) May 04 15:17:11 koen: ah, my condolances! May 04 15:17:21 ne/ce? May 04 15:17:23 koen, just built a kernel from your r11a tree. PREEMPTIVE kernel doesn't hang on DHCP requests anymore... Will do more testing. May 04 15:17:39 New TRM for am335x: http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spruh73e May 04 15:17:46 denix: connman is fast, but lacks a gui, so I use it for console image I don't need fancy networking for May 04 15:17:51 denix: the starting point can be your config is 100% respected. Then you can let the scripts mangle it May 04 15:18:06 koen: it lacks a console as well May 04 15:18:08 ncbas: 11d will have a proper irq patch from hvaibhav May 04 15:19:12 The automation code os for Astronomy and for motion control -- e.g., X-Y tables, motors, etc. May 04 15:19:31 what OS is the lattice running May 04 15:19:36 os = operating system? May 04 15:19:38 or none? May 04 15:19:50 None May 04 15:20:16 Phd: I guess you could post on the mailing list May 04 15:21:18 If I find someone good in C, they should be able to re-compile (with some rewrite) for the beagleboard May 04 15:21:23 ncbas: does preemptive kernel hangs on sd/mmc init? May 04 15:22:12 rcn-ee: audio will require some modules to get built in May 04 15:22:37 rcn-ee: and st_drv.ko built in would simplify matters a lot as well May 04 15:23:36 Phd: going from no-os to Linux involves more May 04 15:23:48 koen, is that even that case with on top of mru's patches? Of course, if it makes audio work, i say go for it, i'll pull in the change. ;) May 04 15:24:15 rcn-ee: I still get no audio with mrus patches, but I'll have to dig in more May 04 15:24:18 denix, doesn't. But I'm using a NFS root so don't access mmc much. May 04 15:24:26 rcn-ee: had to get some capes working first :) May 04 15:24:28 audio used to work all-modular with my patches May 04 15:24:41 it did even before them if you loaded the right ones manually in the right order May 04 15:24:42 AV500, I am sure it does, that is why I am sking "dumb" questions here so I can find someone May 04 15:24:52 koen: is libev built but just not in the Angstrom feed? seems like it is required for node.js modules. May 04 15:25:06 libav? May 04 15:25:20 I doubt node.js needs libav May 04 15:25:36 libev. May 04 15:25:59 its a while(1) loop May 04 15:26:05 more or less. May 04 15:26:45 jkridner: URL? May 04 15:26:53 koen: google? May 04 15:27:03 http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/libev.html May 04 15:27:06 kridner wants it in, he gets to do the work May 04 15:27:21 ah, it is related to libevent May 04 15:27:21 or it gets the hose again! May 04 15:27:46 cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.schmorp.de/schmorpforge co libev May 04 15:27:52 * koen gets violently ill May 04 15:28:03 schmorp ftw! May 04 15:28:04 yeay! May 04 15:28:07 cvs! May 04 15:28:15 better than csv May 04 15:28:23 yuck, 1985 called... May 04 15:28:56 Tartarus, is there some kind of diff/release notes on trm May 04 15:29:00 I had lunch with Jeff Polk once May 04 15:29:16 he confessed that p2p mode was on the TODO list pretty much since the start May 04 15:29:34 right after email? May 04 15:29:47 Av500: thank you. If you know someone really good, my email is pdwyer@fildelityhorns.com May 04 15:29:50 why i found in online site package qt4-embedded-plugin-gfxdriver-gfxpvregl but when i use opkg install qt4-embedded-plugin-gfxdriver-gfxpvregl its says unkonwn package? May 04 15:29:58 Phd: thats not how it works May 04 15:30:07 jsabeaudry: Outside? Don't know. In the doc is rev D to rev E of the doc changes May 04 15:30:32 i bet that link but changed to 'd' not 'e' at the end gives the e rev May 04 15:30:37 jkridner: submit a recipe to meta-oe if you need it May 04 15:31:05 k. cvs scared you away? May 04 15:31:20 yeah, and I'm still stuck with other things May 04 15:31:50 getting zero help through official channels May 04 15:32:20 * koen even posted to e2e because kridner told him to May 04 15:32:31 anyway May 04 15:32:40 32 minutes past beer o'clock May 04 15:32:43 koen: url or it did not happen May 04 15:33:17 helluva job search May 04 15:33:24 helluva search job May 04 15:34:05 * jkridner wonders how node.js got built without it. May 04 15:34:40 it's just synchronous.js May 04 15:35:27 wait, denix is an official channel May 04 15:35:31 so not zero help May 04 15:35:42 koen: what's up with lcd cape? been waiting for over a month May 04 15:35:43 all hail denix! May 04 15:35:54 denix is a channel? May 04 15:36:05 /join #denix May 04 15:36:05 no, I'm not a channel May 04 15:36:06 a noisy one? May 04 15:36:07 denix: redesign, it's using a gpio that is muxed with the gpmc xdma signal May 04 15:36:26 denix: with a high channel loss? May 04 15:36:51 bradfa: Koen: jkrdner: for interrupt no related issue - http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=commit;h=31944a82681a0e7ab6cc3e069c30eddc5042e3e8 May 04 15:36:53 denix: and there's a cape being done that needs that xdma *and* work with the lcds May 04 15:37:30 in multi-cape setup? May 04 15:37:36 yes May 04 15:37:50 * XorA waits for the zx81 cape May 04 15:37:52 bone - camera - lcd May 04 15:38:00 I see, how long to wait then? May 04 15:38:08 all lcds are redesigned? May 04 15:38:27 the 3.5" and 7" are May 04 15:38:43 the 4.3" is still waiting to TI dallas to get of their ass and send the patches May 04 15:39:15 the only thing they seem to be capable of sending is pictures of it running matrix-gui May 04 15:39:35 ha, you can wait long time for that - TI Dallas is huge and the ass is heavy May 04 15:39:53 I know, I have documented it May 04 15:39:57 that matrxi GUI is a joke right? May 04 15:40:03 so for the 4.3" I'm not the SPOF May 04 15:40:22 av500: you sound like me 2.5 years go May 04 15:40:26 I mean, its not a GUI, its a 2x4 html grid? May 04 15:40:40 av500: but it's using PHP!!!!one!!! May 04 15:40:43 * XorA liberally slathers teflon on koens shoulders May 04 15:40:54 av500: come on, it uses all the right technologies! php, javascript! :) May 04 15:41:04 for a demo? May 04 15:41:17 are TI customers that stupid? May 04 15:41:34 you are a TI customer, you tell us ;-P May 04 15:41:37 * XorA needs an app for tracking shit I have lost :-( May 04 15:41:43 av500: customers use OMX, no? May 04 15:41:51 denix: nobody every tried to sell us matrix-gui May 04 15:42:12 well, you scared off hvaibhav now... May 04 15:42:34 av500: I'll but matrix-gui on ebay, only $500/piece May 04 15:42:41 that's a whole $6 less than a r-pi May 04 15:42:48 its fun to watch vendor reaction when they show a slideset and all we shout all the time is "next slide please" May 04 15:42:59 or "slide 50 please" May 04 15:43:28 or they are at slide 3 and CEO asks: "yeah slides, nice, so whats the price?" May 04 15:44:20 av500: half the profits? May 04 15:45:52 koen: jokes aside, what are your comments on binutils fix I sent? May 04 15:46:14 binutils are fixed now? \o/ May 04 15:47:49 you'd think so, right? May 04 16:48:38 anyone ever do their daily commute and don't remember driving 50% of it? May 04 16:48:45 i'm sure that is totally safe May 04 16:49:22 o/+ May 04 16:49:24 I don't remember driving to work, ever May 04 16:49:24 -+ May 04 16:50:01 I don't remember working, ever May 04 16:50:09 mru: you work from home right? May 04 16:50:30 I do now May 04 16:51:35 av500: pretending to work counts as well May 04 16:51:50 what about pretending to drive? May 04 16:54:28 denix, does your PREEMPT kernel hang on mmc/sd? (sorry, catching up on last few hours, went to friday lunch) May 04 16:55:12 bradfa: and you came back to work? why?!?! :) May 04 16:55:29 mranostay, I ask myself that sometimes, toto May 04 16:55:56 I have no idea why I typed "toto" May 04 16:57:37 i swear have people not heard of email? May 04 16:59:12 mranostay, sometimes email is hard May 04 17:01:05 maybe it is because i can't delete a person standing in the only exit to my cube :) May 04 17:01:33 mranostay: climb over the wall May 04 17:01:36 at least you have cube May 04 17:01:39 can hide a little May 04 17:01:46 and have a trap door installed for next time May 04 17:01:56 i haven't even had my coffee yet.. May 04 17:02:06 mranostay, timezone? May 04 17:02:50 PDT May 04 17:03:09 my home coffee machine decided to break this morning or it needs to be cleaned.. May 04 17:03:34 if you can't tell the difference between "needs to be cleaned" and "broken" I think you might need a new coffee machine :) May 04 17:04:37 like with cars, buy a new one when it needs cleaning May 04 17:04:53 beagle coffee machine! May 04 17:05:09 with HTCPCP May 04 17:07:33 bradfa: k-cup machine not a regular pot May 04 17:11:19 mranostay, vinegar can be your friend, that's what we do at work with our k-cup, but don't drink the hot vinegar May 04 17:12:24 mmm hot vinegar May 04 17:12:38 snif it and it'll clean your sinus out May 04 17:13:01 i do coke for that :P May 04 17:24:08 mranostay, use distilled water May 04 17:25:10 Russ: to clean or for coffee? May 04 17:25:19 for coffee May 04 17:25:53 here in phoenix, those things can't last even a year on tap May 04 17:27:56 yeah the water in cupertino is kinda hard May 04 17:29:28 Where I work they had to install reverse-osmosis filters under the sink in the break room to supply the coffee machine. It was the tea-drinkers who first noticed that the water tasted bad. May 04 17:30:43 Happy Friday ! May 04 17:31:18 Mojito: i don't coffee for the taste :) May 04 17:31:31 *drink May 04 17:31:54 * djlewis so looks forward to my 6 cups of morning cofffee :) May 04 17:31:59 can I see somewhere if my beaglebone is running 500 or 720Mhz or can I only believe that on USB its 500 and on +5V its 720 ? May 04 17:32:27 I think that is why it was the tea-drinkers who complained - the coffee drinkers probably would not have noticed May 04 17:33:06 The machine has a tap on the side that provides hot water for tea May 04 17:38:19 cat /proc/cpuinfo will give some approximate info on speed May 04 17:41:31 who drinks tea? May 04 17:41:55 educa: cat /proc/cpuinfo May 04 17:42:07 or use google May 04 17:43:17 google runs at 20 zillion googlebits/sec May 04 17:45:05 educa, cpufreq-info May 04 17:46:15 I've struck a thermocouple to my am3358 case and ran the dreaded zombie procedure, it turned into a zombie at 42 celcius May 04 17:46:36 What is this zombie procedure, so I can avoid it? May 04 17:47:24 gpmc + dma + ethernet during a considerable time May 04 17:49:41 not sure what in there is the culprit May 04 17:49:54 problem is hard to repro May 04 17:50:22 well hard to repro fast May 04 18:03:29 educa: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies May 04 18:06:51 Would /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq be more appropriate for the current freq? May 04 18:07:40 jsabeaudry, 42C _shouldn't_ be warm enough to cause problems May 04 18:07:52 koen, what bb xm hardware did you have where the dvi reset gpio was 129? May 04 18:08:00 'omap3: beaglexm: fix DVI reset GPIO' May 04 18:08:06 f8362d21 May 04 18:10:09 bradfa: if he's running ondemand for example the current freq doesn't mean much May 04 18:10:26 ah, k, good to know May 04 18:12:05 bradfa: if he sees 720MHz in scaling_available_frequencies then it means his hardware and kernel support it, then it's up to him to use it May 04 18:13:22 I had thought that koen's kernels set a limit of 500MHz on USB power, not sure how it's implemented though May 04 18:13:36 the PMIC was read to determine power source May 04 18:13:47 I don't use those kernels though, so I'm not much help May 04 18:14:56 I don't know what kernel educa uses, and I use a custom kernel, so I'm not making any assumptions based on kernel May 04 18:15:10 The TRM has 40 pages in excruciating detail about the power- and clock- management functions in the am335x. But the policy is setting those things is up to the kernel May 04 18:30:37 Russ: xm rev A most likely May 04 18:31:35 bradfa: that limit goes out the window with cpufreq May 04 18:31:49 bradfa: I warned the TI kernel dudes about that months ago, but alas May 04 18:32:08 I only have schematics on the A2, but its not connected to anything on that one May 04 18:32:14 bradfa, indeed, chip is rated up to 90, 42 case means probably 52 inside but that's still very far from 90 May 04 18:32:25 oh wait May 04 18:32:26 nm, it is May 04 18:32:43 but it's x'd out May 04 18:33:26 there's a changelog somewhere May 04 18:34:10 * koen checks google docs May 04 18:34:34 ok, the A3 has it switched over to the twl May 04 18:35:06 ...and there is no way to tell if it is an A2 vs A3 May 04 18:35:14 how many A1/A2s are there? May 04 18:36:40 including the non public protos? May 04 18:36:48 * koen doesn't know the answer anyway May 04 18:37:12 because on A1/A2 there is no functional gpio to powerdown (reset) dvi May 04 18:37:16 but A3 and on, there is May 04 18:38:58 has SPIDEV for the beaglebone been patched into angstrom? May 04 18:40:45 Russ: iirc every time there is a change that needs sw adjustment the 3 ID gpios change May 04 18:40:58 a1/a2 was just a newer dm3730 iirc May 04 18:43:39 koen, under A3, the changelog lists 'Moved DVI_PUP signal to TPS65950. Previous location could not be used due to a conflict with the MMC function on the pins.' May 04 18:44:12 and A1 lists ' Disabled the DVI-D powerdown due to use of wrong GPIO pin. Pin is in the MMC group and it cannot be switched to 1.8V without impacting the SD card slot.' May 04 18:44:42 that sounds familiar May 04 18:44:47 * koen is trying hard to remember May 04 18:49:56 koen, ok, I thought maybe you were using cpufreq to put the 500MHz limit in place. guess I was wrong May 04 18:49:58 Russ: there was some breakage in P7/P8 (xM protos) with dvi, so A3 or B moved it to 129 May 04 18:50:26 bradfa: based on the reports I'm getting there needs to be some limit, but it depends on the device May 04 18:50:28 ??? May 04 18:50:46 bradfa: or rather, wafer May 04 18:50:56 rev A looks to have that line assigned to 129 May 04 18:51:06 A3 and beyond move it away from 129 May 04 18:51:32 * koen is confused now May 04 18:51:47 at this point I'd recommend asking gerald, I'm just making things worse :) May 04 18:52:23 koen, its ok, the board file is more confused May 04 19:57:42 what format is x-loader expecting u-boot to be in? May 04 19:57:57 because the precompiled version here looks for u-boot.img http://git.sabayon.org/molecules.git/tree/boot/arm/beagleboard-xm May 04 19:58:44 but this repo (which i built from) expects u-boot.bin. my built x-loader apparently loads my built u-boot.bin but nothing happens after that May 04 19:58:53 .img or .bin, it's all the same May 04 19:58:55 the precompiled u-boot + x-loader work though May 04 19:59:09 .img has a header, i think May 04 19:59:23 if you think you know the answer, why do you ask? May 04 19:59:44 http://pastie.org/3860650 May 04 19:59:53 ] May 04 20:00:04 i dont think i know the answer. im not sure if x-loader expects that img format with the header or the bin format without it May 04 20:00:23 from the filename i would guess the bin format but it doesnt want to work May 04 20:00:35 so what is this "img" format with a header you think it should be? May 04 20:01:05 i dont really know. did you look at the pastie to see the difference between .bin and .img? May 04 20:01:46 where did you get those files? May 04 20:03:13 the working ones came from http://git.sabayon.org/molecules.git/tree/boot/arm/beagleboard-xm May 04 20:03:39 so good news, i took the prebuilt u-boot.img, chopped off the header with dd, and it booted from my own build of x-loader May 04 20:03:46 so there is something wrong with my u-boot May 04 20:03:57 the u-boot that i built* May 04 20:05:03 I have a BeagleBoard xM Rev. C. (Serial 3411xM129, if it matters). It has been working flawlessly for over a year now, and suddenly today it stopped booting. No matter what I do, when power is applied to the board, the green power LED (D5) turns on, and the red fault LED (D13) flashes once, with a pulse width of about 100ms. May 04 20:06:10 the u-boot makefile has rules to create a u-boot.img by adding a header to u-boot.bin May 04 20:06:18 I guess that's what u-boot spl expects May 04 20:06:32 The only thing that has happened since it was working was that it did take a fall off a 3' table onto sealed concrete, landing flat on the floor in an upright position. May 04 20:07:31 If anyone can offer advice on how to troubleshoot this issue, I would be most grateful, as the hardware manual does not appear to list this failure mode in the troubleshooting section. May 04 20:08:35 <_av500_> agmlego: some solder joints could have broken May 04 20:08:42 <_av500_> on the BGA parts May 04 20:08:43 try reflowing the board May 04 20:08:46 :) May 04 20:08:53 do you have a toaster? May 04 20:08:59 That was my thought, but of course I no longer hyave access to reflow tools. May 04 20:09:04 Yeah... May 04 20:09:10 <_av500_> there's a line of HP printers that had that issue May 04 20:09:22 <_av500_> and theres some howtos on how to reflow them May 04 20:09:30 it can be done in a normal oven May 04 20:09:34 <_av500_> yes May 04 20:09:37 I guess I can see if the local hackerspace has reflow tools. May 04 20:09:51 Really uncomfortable using any of the ovens I ave access to. May 04 20:10:09 it's simply a matter of heating it to required temperature, then letting it cool without shaking it May 04 20:10:24 Yup, i am aware. May 04 20:10:32 and since it's broken now, what have you got to lose? May 04 20:11:16 Well, for one thing, this may not be the cause of the trouble, and thus I would be out a $150 module. May 04 20:11:47 <_av500_> but in for an adventure May 04 20:11:53 For another, i know from past experiences that the ovens I have access to do not have predictable temperature regulation to make this a safe operation. May 04 20:11:53 have you inspected the board for signs of other physical damage? May 04 20:12:00 Yes, there are none. May 04 20:12:21 how do you know? May 04 20:12:26 <_av500_> mybe internally some cpu registers broke lose... May 04 20:13:02 mru: I used my dad's Bausch binocular microscope and checked the board area on both sides for cracks and defects. May 04 20:13:10 if a 'wire' in an internal pcb layer is damaged, would you notice? May 04 20:13:17 No, that I would not. May 04 20:13:25 I would need him to get it x-rayed at work. May 04 20:13:54 take it to the local vet for an x-ray May 04 20:13:58 make an appointment for your beagle May 04 20:13:59 <_av500_> agmlego: you could check voltages May 04 20:14:09 <_av500_> make sure all the power rails are happy May 04 20:14:11 _av500_: Recommendations of which to check? May 04 20:14:22 <_av500_> all that you can access May 04 20:14:25 OK. May 04 20:14:39 * agmlego brings up the testpoint diagram. May 04 20:20:55 VIO_1V8 is 2.928, stable. May 04 20:21:54 As is MEM_1V8. May 04 20:22:17 <_av500_> you have the serial hooked up? May 04 20:23:24 Not at the moment, but I am running off a stable 5VDC supply. May 04 20:23:49 <_av500_> but you had a working serial connection before? May 04 20:24:05 is it practical to reflow a fully populated board, what with the plastics and all ;) May 04 20:24:16 <_av500_> you might remove the sdcard and boot, that should spit out "60" or so on the serial May 04 20:24:24 <_av500_> djlewis: plastic, schmastic May 04 20:24:50 wouldnt smell any worse than my coworker reheating his lunch. May 04 20:24:53 <_av500_> if the board is dead, good looking plastic is no use May 04 20:25:04 _av500_: That was one of the first things I tried, nothing came across the line. May 04 20:25:12 <_av500_> k May 04 20:25:21 <_av500_> it might be dead, Jim May 04 20:26:23 Yeah... May 04 20:26:32 Serial should be 115200 8N1? May 04 20:26:40 has he changed the dilithium xtal? May 04 20:28:34 hi May 04 20:29:58 i'm trying to compile a kernel module for an XM. on my ubuntu laptop i use a makefile that uses the link /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build but i do not have such a link on my beagle May 04 20:30:24 (i want to natively compile the module) May 04 20:30:56 do i have to install something to get that link setup should i manually set it? (to what?) May 04 20:30:58 rlrosa, did you install the kernel headers? (they setup the build link) May 04 20:31:06 yes... May 04 20:31:22 what does your uname -r report? May 04 20:32:35 rcn-ee, it reports 2.6.32 May 04 20:34:00 i only need kernel-headers? May 04 20:34:36 for something that ancient.. your other option is to recreate the exact same kernel source, and then just symlink it to the build dir.. May 04 20:35:55 rcn-ee, should it be lying around somewhere in /usr/src? i built it with oe & bitbake May 04 20:36:31 it would be only there if you specifically installed it. May 04 20:36:32 <_av500_> rlrosa: if you built the kernel with oe, why not build the module there too? May 04 20:36:43 better ^ ;) May 04 20:37:35 _av500_, yes... but i updated using opkg, it won't be happy if i cross compile with the old source, right? May 04 20:40:36 <_av500_> you updated the kernel? May 04 20:42:33 _av500_, is it possible? maybe i didn't... i'll double check and go for cross compiling May 04 20:42:39 thanks! May 04 20:50:34 Well, if this board truly is toast, I may upgrade to the PandaBoard. May 04 20:50:47 Probably more suited to high-res CV anyway. May 04 20:51:35 * _av500_ prints his CV in 1200dpi May 04 20:52:05 Har. May 04 20:52:09 OpenCV, I meant. May 04 20:52:35 a windoze pc is more suited to openCV May 04 20:53:12 Because, I mean, as cute as the BeagleBone is, and as useful as the xM is...I feel a dual-core processor would probably handle a pair of 720p cameras better. May 04 20:55:03 <_av500_> the panda can even compress 2 720p streams May 04 20:55:12 <_av500_> so you can save them for a rainy day May 04 20:58:42 Nice to know. May 04 20:59:02 What would be nicer is if I could use the GPU on the board (xM or Panda) for vision processing. May 04 21:02:59 But as far as I can tell, Imagine 3D (the company involved in the GPU) has not yet written a driver to allow general-purpose computing on the GPU. May 04 21:03:19 i wouldn't hold my breath :) May 04 21:04:18 I know. May 04 21:04:19 :-/ May 04 21:33:59 Yep I think the beaglebone is my future platform for an advanced home security system. May 04 21:36:12 sounds good for a pan/tilt mounted laser cannon. May 04 22:29:07 Hi May 04 22:29:37 I'm quite new here May 04 22:29:54 Is this the right place for asking questions? May 04 22:30:44 depends on the question :) May 04 22:31:10 as others have stated, dont ask to ask, just ask. May 04 22:31:24 looks like the wrong question May 04 22:39:40 well, there are a multitude of possible questions that this would not be the right place to ask ;) May 04 22:42:02 do meta-questions belong to that category? May 04 22:57:15 at least it wasn't emacs, or else I think my computer would have turned into a large bratwurst and criticized my hair May 04 22:57:19 er, wrong channel May 04 22:59:18 no, that fits here :) May 04 22:59:47 later people., I say with great faith May 05 00:35:32 mmmm bratwursts May 05 00:35:39 * mranostay knows what he is having for dinner now May 05 01:41:03 hi May 05 01:41:33 i got a project in mind for beagle/arduino. May 05 01:41:44 beagle driving arduino over usb May 05 01:42:46 it would be installed in a car May 05 01:45:42 it would need to monitor several 12V signals with level shifter to appropriate input level, and play specified sound file when one of the signals was on. May 05 01:46:52 arduino would be used with nokia cell display and hex keypad for a menu interface. May 05 01:49:30 beagle would also need to be used to record the sound file from a line in level in response to the menu. May 05 01:50:07 so you could use say an mp3 player to load the audio to the sd card on beagle. May 05 01:51:48 we'd need to find power supply that would get 5V from car supply voltage 12v lighter socket May 05 01:52:36 and have a radio with aux in that was connected to beagle line out **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 05 03:00:01 2012