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May 14 03:05:36 <KeatonT> So hopefully I'll get the bone tomorrow.
May 14 03:05:37 <KeatonT> :)
May 14 03:05:45 <KeatonT> I can start porting the pybbio to C++
May 14 03:08:19 <XorA> heh, one horrid language to another :-D
May 14 03:09:41 <trelane> what kernel module do I need to load for analog inputs to propigate in /sys?
May 14 03:10:26 <XorA> beagle or bone?
May 14 03:17:52 <trelane> bone
May 14 04:18:49 <snowrichard> hi
May 14 04:22:05 <XorA> hi
May 14 04:28:04 <snowrichard> do you know of a free program to design pcb boards?
May 14 04:56:48 <mranostay> left before i could answer
May 14 05:03:25 <XorA> mranostay: they always do
May 14 05:03:43 <XorA> mranostay: younger generation has no staying power
May 14 05:04:38 * mranostay hides his age :)
May 14 05:06:47 * mranostay rocks out with Eagle ATM
May 14 05:58:42 <koen> XorA: don't run 1000 patches through your spamfilter, it will make any FLOSS mail as spam afterward :)
May 14 05:59:05 * koen wondered why last week was so quiet
May 14 06:00:51 <XorA> koen: hehe, probably for the best :-D
May 14 06:02:15 <koen> XorA: so if you sent me any mail last week, resend :)
May 14 06:02:37 <XorA> koen: nope
May 14 06:03:51 * XorA is still suffering overheat error in Korea
May 14 06:05:54 <koen> https://cosm.com/users/koenkooi
May 14 06:06:07 * koen hooked up a beaglebone to the cloud
May 14 06:07:09 <mranostay> koen: awesome-o
May 14 06:28:40 <zuh> koen: hell froze over at 5:06?-)
May 14 06:30:10 <koen> yes
May 14 06:30:32 <koen> the ds18b20 gives a 0 degrees C reading every few hours
May 14 06:31:24 <XorA> better than -273 I guess
May 14 06:37:11 <fierman> oebb wrapper broken ?
May 14 06:50:22 <sp00k> hi there!
May 14 06:50:45 <fierman> hi
May 14 06:50:55 <sp00k> Has somebody already spotted the error described here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.embedded.yocto.meta-ti/340
May 14 06:51:43 <fierman> not me, i am not even bale to set up a proper build environment
May 14 06:51:46 <fierman> *able
May 14 06:52:23 <ynezz> hm, thos 4 steps are really tough :p
May 14 06:52:28 <ynezz> s/those/those/
May 14 06:52:31 <sp00k> ok, I just wondered if the described fix is good fix or just a dirty hack ;)
May 14 06:52:45 <ynezz> it smells
May 14 06:53:20 <ynezz> bitbake should bomb out on some unset random variable
May 14 06:53:31 <ynezz> s/should/shouldn't/
May 14 06:53:40 * ynezz needs more coffee
May 14 06:56:15 <fierman> hrmmm
May 14 06:56:30 <fierman> using the steps here to set up environment: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
May 14 06:58:33 <ynezz> but you didn't told us the error yet...
May 14 06:58:37 <fierman> https://pad.puscii.nl/p/angstrom
May 14 06:58:38 <fierman> there
May 14 06:58:40 <fierman> sorry
May 14 06:59:44 <ynezz> 1) use pastebin 2) can't see error
May 14 06:59:56 <sp00k> seems fine for me too
May 14 07:00:57 <tasslehoff> My guess: install makeinfo
May 14 07:01:04 <fierman> tasslehoff: done that
May 14 07:01:39 <tasslehoff> fierman: ubuntu?
May 14 07:02:11 <fierman> tasslehoff: yeah :(
May 14 07:02:29 <fierman> makeinfo should be in texi2html, which is up to date
May 14 07:04:46 <tasslehoff> fierman: hm. installing that package removed the error for me when I had it
May 14 07:05:43 <fierman> tasslehoff: i will blame apt then. will check again, thnx
May 14 07:06:14 <ynezz> or if you're brave enough, remove that check
May 14 07:06:52 <fierman> the sanity check, yes
May 14 07:07:00 <fierman> not THAT brave :)
May 14 07:40:59 <fierman> btw. for beagleboard specific questions on angstrom, is this the channel for discussion, or would #angstrom be a more appropriate place?
May 14 09:11:26 <lpi> Hi everyone! I'm looking for a circuit that can protect the beagleboard from short on the exapnsion board. Any ide?
May 14 09:11:29 <lpi> idea
May 14 09:12:31 <ncbas> buffers?
May 14 09:12:52 <av500> expoxy
May 14 09:12:54 <av500> -x
May 14 09:14:14 <lpi> I mean, error of connection, problem with I/O
May 14 09:14:25 <lpi> that could broke the CPU
May 14 09:14:57 <av500> what for?
May 14 09:17:34 <LetoThe2nd> don't overvolt it, thats all.
May 14 09:18:12 <LetoThe2nd> use galvanic isolated level shifters on every i/o line :)
May 14 09:22:47 <aholler_> optocoplers
May 14 09:23:36 <av500> octocopters
May 14 09:24:58 <LetoThe2nd> opto--coppers?
May 14 09:25:41 <LetoThe2nd> hey, marketing division - should we ship the gaxboard with integrated optocoppers?
May 14 09:26:33 <aholler> octocopters with integrated gaxboards might be more successfull
May 14 09:26:39 <LetoThe2nd> hm.
May 14 09:38:42 <lpi> optocopler seems to be a good alternative
May 14 09:40:41 <aholler> not to forget diodes on the power connector
May 14 09:41:09 <LetoThe2nd> power on the diode connector?
May 14 09:42:55 <av500> connect power on the diode
May 14 09:43:29 <LetoThe2nd> power diode the connector?
May 14 09:43:32 <av500> use a GZ34...
May 14 09:47:27 <bo_> Hi
May 14 09:47:43 <bo_> I want to learn to use the dsp processor on my beagleboard
May 14 09:47:53 <bo_> I'm interested in image processing
May 14 09:48:05 <bo_> what would be a good starting point?
May 14 09:49:26 <testtest> hii
May 14 09:50:07 <testtest> i am looking for the exact u-boot sources for beagleboard xm - c for debugging purposes. I searched a lot but could not locate anything
May 14 09:50:48 <av500> bo_: depends
May 14 09:51:58 <bo_> would compressing images require the DSP?
May 14 09:52:07 <bo_> would that be a simple first project?
May 14 09:52:10 <bo_> I need ideas
May 14 09:52:56 <av500> you could run through the examples first
May 14 09:53:13 <av500> if you run agnstrom, you should have dsplink and examples already there
May 14 09:53:13 <LetoThe2nd> make an automatic x-rating detector. :)
May 14 09:53:25 <bo_> what's that?
May 14 09:53:29 <bo_> ohh
May 14 09:53:38 <LetoThe2nd> i smell huge profit opportunities there, selling to apple :)
May 14 09:53:48 <av500> LetoThe2nd: yes, the UK government is in dire need of such a thing
May 14 09:53:50 <bo_> that would be fun
May 14 09:54:19 <bo_> but what would be the basic dsp programes for starters ... relating to image processing
May 14 09:54:41 <LetoThe2nd> av500: hehe. think $MUSLIMFASCISTGOVERNMENT...
May 14 09:55:36 <m0erk> hi there i need some help bringing the angstrom demo up to the board
May 14 09:56:07 <aholler> a card-butler?
May 14 09:56:14 <m0erk> iam done with making the card and it boots but after "Unkompressing Linux.........done,booting the kernel." nothing happens anymoe
May 14 09:56:37 <m0erk> Iam connected via serial connection
May 14 09:57:04 <av500> bo_: I'd suggest you a have a look at the dsplink and CE (Codec Engine) examples
May 14 09:57:15 <av500> and manahge to run them
May 14 09:57:18 <av500> -h
May 14 09:59:14 <av500> then you can take e.g the viddec_copy example and insert your own code
May 14 09:59:45 <av500> bo_: OR, you look at http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/C6EZRun
May 14 10:00:11 <av500> that allows you to run code easily on the DSP side, it least that is what it promises
May 14 10:00:30 <m0erk> is it nessesary to connect 5V power supply to boot the angstrom kernel?
May 14 10:00:45 <av500> any kernel likes 5V
May 14 10:01:00 <m0erk> yet its connected via USB
May 14 10:02:07 <m0erk> it should be enough current to boot up angstrom, doesn't it?
May 14 10:03:54 <av500> m0erk: if in doubt, try
May 14 10:04:17 <aholler> he did
May 14 10:06:31 <m0erk> not yet, searching for a power supply :P
May 14 10:07:04 <m0erk> its not normal though.. always stops after "..done, booting the kernel."
May 14 10:07:23 <m0erk> i did everything described in angstrom beagleboard demo how to
May 14 10:07:43 <aholler> which beagle?
May 14 10:07:52 <m0erk> -xm rev c
May 14 10:07:58 <aholler> doesn't work with usb
May 14 10:08:05 <m0erk> shure?
May 14 10:08:10 <m0erk> ubuntu does
May 14 10:08:28 <m0erk> only angstrom is makeing trouble
May 14 10:08:42 <av500> yes, its a little troublemaker
May 14 10:08:48 <m0erk> :D
May 14 10:09:00 <m0erk> i see
May 14 10:36:09 <m0erk> i connected 5v power supply but the same error
May 14 10:36:27 <m0erk> just stops after "...done, booting the kernel."
May 14 10:36:43 <aholler> does the led blink? whats your uEnv.txt?
May 14 10:37:31 <m0erk> *** Unable to read uEnv.txt from mmc ***
May 14 10:37:54 <aholler> which u-boot-version?
May 14 10:38:01 <m0erk> one led is blinking the other is not (talking about the two at the sd card)
May 14 10:38:23 <m0erk> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/u-boot-beagleboard-2011.12-r4.img
May 14 10:38:30 <aholler> if it blinks, the kernel does run.
May 14 10:38:49 <aholler> maybe your console is wrong.
May 14 10:39:01 <aholler> or you are useing quiet
May 14 10:39:07 <aholler> or something like that
May 14 10:39:21 <m0erk> its just the demo image from angstrom
May 14 10:39:38 <m0erk> console is wrong? do you mean the setup with baudrate?
May 14 10:39:54 <aholler> no, console=foobar
May 14 10:40:13 <aholler> which kernel?
May 14 10:40:18 <m0erk> where do i have to set this up?
May 14 10:40:39 <m0erk> 2.6.32
May 14 10:40:41 <m0erk> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2011.1-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
May 14 10:41:20 <aholler> 2.6.32 doesn't work with newer u-boot's. 2.6.32 uses ttyS2, u-boot ttyO2
May 14 10:41:32 <aholler> so you need an uEnv.txt
May 14 10:42:05 <aholler> do a printenv at the u-boot-command-line
May 14 10:42:43 <m0erk> i did
May 14 10:43:35 <m0erk> console = tty02,115200n8
May 14 10:43:46 <aholler> that will never work
May 14 10:43:55 <aholler> O != 0
May 14 10:44:28 <m0erk> k
May 14 10:44:38 <m0erk> yes might be O
May 14 10:44:45 <m0erk> ttyO2 also wrong?
May 14 10:44:53 <aholler> for .32 yes
May 14 10:45:03 <m0erk> so it should be 1?
May 14 10:45:17 <aholler> look above
May 14 10:46:18 <m0erk> can i set this anyhow?
May 14 10:46:31 <m0erk> setenv work for one boot?
May 14 10:46:50 <aholler> yes, uEnv.txt is for persistence
May 14 10:47:02 <aholler> or NAND which the -xm doesn't have
May 14 10:47:48 <m0erk> ok thanks !!!
May 14 10:48:00 <m0erk> actually it shows up a bootsequence
May 14 10:48:27 <aholler> create uEnv.txt with a line "console=ttyS2,115200n8"
May 14 10:48:52 <m0erk> yes, thanks alot!
May 14 10:48:54 <aholler> and ask mru about line endings ;)
May 14 10:49:28 <mru> it needs unix-style line endings
May 14 10:50:04 <m0erk> what does that mean again? :P
May 14 10:51:28 <aholler> http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-May/124335.html
May 14 10:51:42 <mru> m0erk: what editor are you using?
May 14 10:51:50 <fierman> (i should be able to read from console always, right? even if no bootable card is inserted)
May 14 10:51:56 <m0erk> nano
May 14 10:54:19 <mdp> aholler, I'm hoping that at least that one problem goes away in my lifetime…not looking good so far.
May 14 10:55:51 <aholler> i think that problem (crlf vs lf) will last for several generations more
May 14 10:56:16 <aholler> but even sun died, why not m$ ;)
May 14 10:56:28 <mdp> a terrible legacy to leave for the next generation :(
May 14 10:59:59 <m0erk> rofl ok
May 14 11:00:05 <mdp> aholler, nice patch, btw
May 14 11:00:12 <m0erk> iam quite new to the linux stuff
May 14 11:00:35 <m0erk> i need twice the time to get all this :P
May 14 11:02:45 <aholler> mdp: I stumbled over that problem a year ago when I created an uEnv.txt in windows myself and offered and mailed the first version of that patch to jkridner and koen with the comment "mainline wouldn't accept it" ;)
May 14 11:04:14 <aholler> sometimes I'm astonishing myself.
May 14 11:04:21 <mdp> well, it always depends on how deeply care about the feature :)
May 14 11:04:43 <mdp> even uart SPL support was first met with "no, never, I won't allow this pandora's box to be opened!!!"
May 14 11:04:46 <mdp> :)
May 14 11:06:14 <m0erk> CEMK Error: Failed to request_mem_region(0x8000000 -> 0xa000000=
May 14 11:06:51 <m0erk> forget that please :)
May 14 11:07:13 <m0erk> still got probs at starting up
May 14 11:07:27 <m0erk> but i need some food before.. back in an hour or so
May 14 11:07:45 <aholler> if you use an old kernel, use the u-boot for that kernel too
May 14 11:08:09 <aholler> because it contains some kernel-cmdline-parameters you now might missing
May 14 11:08:39 <m0erk> ok but i used the recommended uboot file from the angstrom demo site
May 14 11:08:51 <m0erk> i will try something else after...
May 14 11:09:12 <aholler> there are multiple versions of u-boot and the kernel and .32 is very old
May 14 11:09:28 <aholler> but the only one which might boot with power over usb
May 14 11:10:06 <aholler> and it seems to support 1GHz ;)
May 14 11:18:17 <aholler> but I have to admit, that kernel cmd-line handles CR like spaces ;)
May 14 11:18:29 <aholler> just had a look at it
May 14 11:18:52 <aholler> at least if isspace in kernel is the same like posix-isspace
May 14 11:19:17 <aholler> which the comments are stating
May 14 11:20:17 <aholler> but CRs still makes the dmesg-output with the cmdline unreadable
May 14 11:21:38 <aholler> and some stuff in the boot-script might fail. at least I get some obscure failures with my modifed env and unignored CRs
May 14 11:23:39 <fierman> xml all the things
May 14 11:41:44 <NAP> hi
May 14 11:42:05 <NAP> i have a beagle bone with angstrom and i have a problem, maybe someone can halt
May 14 11:42:09 <NAP> help
May 14 11:42:22 <av500> maybe
May 14 11:42:30 <NAP> i have a usbtoserial ftdi stick
May 14 11:42:42 <NAP> how would i make a ttyusb device out of this?
May 14 11:43:02 <NAP> lsusb shows the stick
May 14 11:43:47 <av500> stick plugged into bone usb?
May 14 11:44:13 <LetoThe2nd> probably you need to install kernel-mod-serial-usb-ftdi or whatever koen called it ;)
May 14 11:45:18 <NAP> i installed kernal-modul-ftdi-sio
May 14 11:45:45 <NAP> i installed kernal-modul-usbserial
May 14 11:46:27 <NAP> if i do a modprobe ftdi_sio  i get a FATAL: Module ftdi_sio not found.
May 14 11:46:54 * LetoThe2nd suspects version mismatch.
May 14 11:47:00 <aholler> dmesg
May 14 11:47:01 <NAP> i am missing a step, i guess. (i am no linux guy ;-) as you may have guessed ;-)
May 14 11:47:25 <NAP> [ 1038.254169] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, device number 2 [ 1043.760441] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB device number 3 using musb-hdrc [ 1043.906153] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0403, idProduct=6001 [ 1043.906174] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [ 1043.906188] usb 1-1: Product: USB Serial Converter [ 1043.906199] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: FTDI [ 1043.906208] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: FTFCWHEH
May 14 11:49:00 <NAP> 1th line was removing the stick. the other lines for reinserting it
May 14 11:49:22 <aholler> ls /dev/ttyUSB*
May 14 11:49:55 <NAP> LetoThe2nd: i user opkg install kernal... shouldn't this install the right version?
May 14 11:50:13 <NAP> ls: cannot access /dev/ttyUSB: No such file or directory
May 14 11:53:04 <NAP> do i have to do some insmod or anything like that?
May 14 11:55:09 <NAP> any ideas ?
May 14 11:55:12 <prohitkpr> I followed instructions given in http://code.google.com/p/opencv-dsp-acceleration/wiki/Instruction_For_Building_Examples
May 14 11:55:38 <prohitkpr> I copied libopencvdsp.so to /usr/lib
May 14 11:55:51 <aholler> NAP: paste a full log of dmesg at dpaste.com
May 14 11:58:41 <koen> jkridner__: ping
May 14 11:58:48 <jkridner__> ponh
May 14 11:58:51 <jkridner__> er, pong even
May 14 11:59:05 <prohitkpr> when I try to compile the code it gives me this error
May 14 11:59:07 <prohitkpr> http://pastebin.com/zZG48adA
May 14 11:59:46 <NAP> aholler: http://dpaste.com/747958/
May 14 12:00:47 <koen> jkridner__: can you have a look at http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/capes/ ?
May 14 12:01:14 <koen> jkridner__: it's a quick c&p hack to read a minimal cape json and populate the mux from debugfs
May 14 12:01:46 <aholler> NAP: looks like the driver is missing
May 14 12:02:07 <NAP> aholler: how would i install the missing thing?
May 14 12:02:18 <koen> jkridner__: you'll need https://raw.github.com/beagleboard/kernel/9d91d5ee287ec753b9ec7f6a72e9da226d222fad/patches/beaglebone/0041-ARM-OMAP-Mux-Fixed-debugfs-mux-output-always-reporti.patch as well, though
May 14 12:02:26 <aholler> NAP: sorry, can't help with that
May 14 12:03:59 <NAP> anyone? its just installing a ftdi device. that cant be that complicated?
May 14 12:07:04 <prohitkpr> DO I have to copy libopencvdsp.so into any other folder?
May 14 12:11:11 <jkridner__> koen: why are you reproducing mux.js from much of eeprom.js?
May 14 12:11:35 <prohitkpr> NAP: it worked for me. does lsmod show pl2303.ko?
May 14 12:13:08 <aholler> pl != ftdi
May 14 12:13:25 <jkridner__> koen: don't we have most of the eeprom functionality already?  which part of it is new?
May 14 12:14:20 <NAP> lsmod shows no modul at all
May 14 12:14:40 <jkridner__> koen: where is the part that is setting the muxes based on the eeprom values?
May 14 12:15:25 <jkridner__> koen: could you just use the new getEeproms and pinMode functions?
May 14 12:15:41 <jkridner__> pinMode now handles slew, pullup, etc.
May 14 12:19:54 <koen> jkridner__: Like I said, it's a quick c&p hack
May 14 12:20:06 <koen> jkridner__: the meat is at the botton, in the loop
May 14 12:20:08 <jkridner__> I just thought it was already done.
May 14 12:20:19 <koen> jkridner__: 328-351
May 14 12:20:34 <koen> it reads the function from debugfs
May 14 12:20:40 <av500> prohitkpr: looks like you are missing some c6run lib to link against
May 14 12:20:47 <av500> also you paste is truncated
May 14 12:20:49 <koen> but not the current settings (mode, direction, slew, etc)
May 14 12:20:50 <av500> your
May 14 12:21:31 <prohitkpr> av500: Thanks! Do I need to build it again?
May 14 12:22:08 <koen> jkridner__: the goal was to generate a json from a running system
May 14 12:25:01 <prohitkpr> av500: I created another paste. http://pastebin.com/pjDVHU3P
May 14 12:26:08 <av500> my answer is the same
May 14 12:26:34 <av500> you are missing all the C6accel_* stuff
May 14 12:26:41 <av500> which I guess is in some lib
May 14 12:27:21 <av500> http://opencv-dsp-acceleration.googlecode.com/svn-history/r179/trunk/dsp_opencv/beagle/c6accel_1_00_00_04_async/soc/c6accelw/c6accelw.h
May 14 12:28:33 <prohitkpr> I will include those header files and get back. Thanks!
May 14 12:29:36 <av500> you dont need to include the header
May 14 12:29:41 <av500> you need to link against the lib
May 14 12:31:12 <tasslehoff> I have ogre 1.8rc1 running in oe-classic using gles, but struggle with gles2. It wants to use FrameBuffer Objects and segfaults somewhere in the SGX-driver (http://pastebin.com/3AGyugu3). Anyone know if FrameBuffer Objects should/could work in libgles-omap3:4_03_00_02, omap3-sgx-modules:1.6.16.3977?
May 14 12:43:17 <prohitkpr> where can I get these librarues. Do I have to build them?
May 14 12:51:11 <lpi> is there any NAND flash for storing bootloader on the beaglebone?
May 14 12:51:25 <koen> yes, on the sd card
May 14 12:51:46 <lpi> koen: thx
May 14 12:53:13 <lpi> Is it the same functionning between beaglebone and beagleboard xM, except hardware?
May 14 12:53:29 <lpi> I mean, concerning GPIO configuring, etc..
May 14 12:54:02 <av500> more or less
May 14 13:03:37 <tasslehoff> koen: any idea which forum/ML I can turn to with my powervr-drivers/libgles woes?
May 14 13:04:03 <koen> tasslehoff: no use in reporting if you aren't use the latest :(
May 14 13:05:04 <koen> jkridner__: ncbas' eeprom parser shows that a lot of eeproms are broken
May 14 13:08:36 <ncbas> koen: I've pushed two simple workarounds to my tree at github!
May 14 13:09:39 <koen> ncbas: I noticed!
May 14 13:10:49 <jkridner__> where do I find that parser?
May 14 13:10:58 <koen> jkridner__: https://github.com/modmaker/linux/commits/cape_configuration_from_eeprom
May 14 13:11:20 <jkridner__> ah
May 14 13:13:48 <ncbas> koen: dump coming soon, had to revert hw back to own cape first.
May 14 13:15:14 <koen> ncbas: I merged in the smaller patches: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beaglebone-3.2/patches/beaglebone
May 14 13:15:32 <koen> ncbas: 38, 39 and 41
May 14 13:20:27 <prohitkpr> av500: Thanks!
May 14 13:20:41 <tasslehoff> koen: ok.
May 14 13:25:17 <ncbas> koen: thanks for 40, that makes some people happy :)
May 14 13:34:07 <m0erk> how can i use those "u-boot-scripts"?
May 14 13:34:11 <m0erk> .SCR FILES
May 14 13:34:35 <m0erk> looks like an uEnv.txt file or so
May 14 13:34:52 <av500> not really
May 14 13:35:26 <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=boot.scr+uboot
May 14 13:35:42 <mru> no lmgtfy today?
May 14 13:35:46 <m0erk> thx
May 14 13:37:24 <av500> mru: too much effort
May 14 13:55:07 <m0erk> whats the default angstrom root pw?
May 14 13:55:21 <av500> dottie
May 14 13:55:27 <av500> or alpine?
May 14 13:55:40 <m0erk> ill try thx
May 14 13:56:54 <LetoThe2nd> av500: dottie matrix? and where's princess vespa`
May 14 13:56:55 <av500> no
May 14 13:57:03 <av500> these are iphone root passwords
May 14 13:57:59 * mru wants a .matrix tld
May 14 13:59:03 <av500> ask TI for a matrix .gui
May 14 13:59:41 <fierman> i am wondering. is an uEnv.txt necessary to get uboot going ?
May 14 13:59:51 <m0erk> nope
May 14 13:59:57 <fierman> ok
May 14 14:00:11 <mru> it might be necessary to make it do what you want
May 14 14:00:41 <fierman> since the testing/unstable images i got from narcissus are not booting at all here, and I was wondering whether that could be caused by the absence or misconfiguring of an uEnv.txt
May 14 14:01:20 <fierman> mru: no serial console present atm, so no way to check what is going on. (not even a decent display actually :))
May 14 14:01:32 <mru> you really should get a serial cable
May 14 14:01:42 <fierman> i know
May 14 14:01:54 <av500> or teach uboot to use morse code...
May 14 14:01:57 <fierman> will get one tomorrow, my LFCS is closed today
May 14 14:02:19 <fierman> i just ssh into the ting once it's up
May 14 14:02:20 <av500> large and fancy computer shop?
May 14 14:02:29 <fierman> local friendly computer store
May 14 14:02:36 <m0erk> or u just set up the console via uEnv.txt
May 14 14:02:39 <mru> google says Lutheran Family and Children Services
May 14 14:02:57 <av500> same thing
May 14 14:03:02 <fierman> m0erk: but its possible to use the serial console even if no OS is loaded, right ?
May 14 14:03:09 <mru> or possibly Logical Foundations of Computer Science
May 14 14:03:50 <m0erk> you can abort the bootsequence and then set environment variables
May 14 14:03:57 <fierman> av500: local friendly is a synonym for small brick&mortar shop with clerks who are friendly and know what they are doing
May 14 14:05:06 <mru> fierman: such places still exist?
May 14 14:05:16 <fierman> they do :)
May 14 14:05:24 <mru> where do you live?
May 14 14:05:33 <fierman> netherlands. near nijmegen
May 14 14:06:20 <fierman> small shop where you can run inside, ask for something completely bizarre, and they will sort of guess wtf you are doing
May 14 14:06:30 <fierman> and usually guess right too
May 14 14:07:56 <m0erk> if i install the SGX drivers for angstrom it says "No SGX hardware, not starting PVR." Do i have to activate them too in environment?
May 14 14:08:38 <mru> here in town the only place remotely sane is maplin
May 14 14:08:49 <mru> they sell mostly junk but carry some good stuff as well
May 14 14:09:00 <mru> and some of the staff actually know what they're doing
May 14 14:09:02 <koen> m0erk: two options: 1) your hardware has no SGX, 2) your sgx install is outdated
May 14 14:09:07 <mru> if you're lucky enough to find one of them
May 14 14:10:03 <m0erk> so it has to be option 2 for me
May 14 14:10:14 <m0erk> the drivers are outdated?
May 14 14:22:07 <koen> jkridner__: do you have a picture of boris+bone with no background?
May 14 14:22:18 <koen> jkridner__: s/picture/logo image/
May 14 14:22:40 <jkridner__> I'd have to check the flickr archive...
May 14 14:22:43 <jkridner__> that's where I'd have it.
May 14 14:24:40 <koen> jkridner__: I discovered that linux won't show a bootlogo with it's too big for the screen
May 14 14:24:53 <koen> jkridner__: so I want something penguin sized for the new logo :)
May 14 14:25:00 <jkridner__> cool.
May 14 14:35:16 <koen> _roger_: patch for meta-ti sent, includes Robs pwm patch
May 14 14:44:48 <jkridner__> koen: did you find http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/6312263717/ ?
May 14 14:46:42 <koen> jkridner__: no, I got stuck in email traffic
May 14 14:46:50 <koen> jkridner__: but that on is perfect, thanks!
May 14 15:06:18 <goldpeer> hello
May 14 15:06:52 <goldpeer> anyone know how to re-direct bitbake log to a file instead of /dev/null?
May 14 15:10:10 <_av500_> s\/dev/null\filename\
May 14 15:11:30 <aholler> s:/dev/null:filename:
May 14 15:11:58 <_av500_> oderso
May 14 15:12:10 <goldpeer> which file I should modify to?
May 14 15:12:23 <aholler> so/dev/nullofilenameo
May 14 15:13:07 <goldpeer> i think when I run bitbake, it said ERROR: Logfile of failure stored in: /dev/null
May 14 15:13:15 <goldpeer> NOTE: package pyorbit-2.24.0-r1: task populate_sysroot_postamble: Failed
May 14 15:13:40 <goldpeer> for example. I think I want to capture Log file of bitbake's
May 14 15:20:36 * mranostay scrolls up
May 14 15:20:54 <mranostay> and regrets it
May 14 15:22:51 <goldpeer> ?
May 14 15:28:08 <mranostay> prpplague: hey purple!
May 14 15:28:16 <prpplague> greetings earthling
May 14 15:32:58 <mranostay> prpplague: come in peace?
May 14 15:33:42 <prpplague> generally yes
May 14 15:33:49 <_av500_> in piece
May 14 15:37:46 * mranostay points prpplague to his leader kkeller 
May 14 15:42:41 <arcaico> Hello. I need to develop a level shifter and Interface to connect LCD (TFT or LVDS) on Beaglebone.
May 14 15:42:47 <arcaico> Anyone can help me?
May 14 15:43:14 <_av500_> TI has nice level shifters
May 14 15:43:18 <_av500_> and nice LVDS drivers
May 14 15:45:10 <prpplague> arcaico: *cough* or purchase one already made and tested
May 14 15:45:43 <prpplague> arcaico: try looking at the SN75LVDS83B
May 14 15:46:29 <arcaico> thx _av500_  and prpplague
May 14 15:47:18 <arcaico> I'll look
May 14 16:24:35 <aholler> I'll give up, Tom Rini is the one who made me famous for his tty02, not?
May 14 16:43:16 <mdp> aholler, some days the world is against you
May 14 16:43:42 <mru> and some days the entire universe is
May 14 16:45:53 <aholler> it's always good to know the enemy ;)
May 14 16:53:25 <mdp> prpplague: Tartarus accepted that serial jtag fix for 37x/xM into the custodian tree..so we're good to go there once merged to mainline
May 14 16:57:32 <prpplague> mdp: ahh dandy
May 14 16:57:50 <prpplague> mdp / Tartarus did you guys give any feedback on my test video ?
May 14 16:58:54 <mdp> prpplague: still catching up, was gone all weekend..have it marked to take a look
May 14 16:59:01 <mranostay> mru: what about the multiverse?
May 14 16:59:09 <prpplague> mdp: ok thanks
May 14 16:59:10 <mdp> prpplague: it's also something I would like to learn some tips on
May 14 16:59:24 <prpplague> mdp: already know we need a better camera
May 14 16:59:33 <mru> mranostay: if it exists, it's probably hostile
May 14 17:00:26 <prpplague> mdp: sadly, getting the videos looking professional enough is probably going to take a number of failures to get enough experience doing it
May 14 17:01:54 <mdp> prpplague: I'll bet..I've had to tinker enough with the lighting on the lab bench just to get a sane still photo suitable to post
May 14 17:02:04 <mdp> can't imagine video lighting plus audio pickup
May 14 17:02:44 <mdp> prpplague: when I need to do it, maybe I should just train a dependent to be my videographer slave
May 14 17:02:55 <prpplague> mdp: i am normally the type of person that is ok with failure in a learning process, but for these types of videos you really have to put them out there for feedback, so everyone gets to see your failures :(
May 14 17:04:43 <_av500_> mdp: Klieg lights, lots
May 14 17:08:10 <ynezz> http://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-make-a-inexpensive-light-tent
May 14 17:08:11 <ynezz> :)
May 14 17:09:14 <spow> hey, I'm considering doing a small robot driven by cellphone on my spare time. It's my understanding servomotors are poorly controlled from userspace (imperfect timings > imperfect positions). I know the beaglebone has a PRUSS but I also know there are alternativess like libxenomai as for real-time controlling. Which approach is to be considered here ?
May 14 17:09:43 <_av500_> pruss for the challegne
May 14 17:09:51 <_av500_> challenge
May 14 17:10:14 <aholler> I would suggest Lego NXT
May 14 17:10:36 <spow> i'm terrible with asm, which I think the PRUSS is made of !
May 14 17:10:43 <_av500_> its made of silicon
May 14 17:11:01 <ynezz> calling it asm is insultation to asm
May 14 17:11:36 <mdp> it's constructed of NOPs
May 14 17:11:42 <spow> how does it work exactly, does it run all the time on a completely independant circuit, or can you call a set of self-programmed functions ?
May 14 17:13:04 <_av500_> yes
May 14 17:13:58 <mdp> ynezz: ok, thanks, looks easy enough
May 14 17:25:56 <spow> what are the taxes to expect when importing from the US (digikey) ?
May 14 17:26:21 <aholler> to where
May 14 17:26:47 <spow> europe (france)
May 14 17:27:29 <aholler> at least VAT
May 14 17:28:10 <spow> meh, there's on approx. the same price at wattenrot, with taxes included
May 14 17:28:52 <aholler> besides VAT I think electronics below $100 are free of tax
May 14 17:29:05 <_av500_> just import VAT
May 14 17:29:13 <_av500_> even aboce 100$
May 14 17:32:09 <spow> should come quicker from DE, it's a win/win
May 14 18:20:09 * jkridner__ is pulling out hair due to node 0.4 vs. 0.6 diffs.
May 14 18:24:26 <mranostay> did they switch to a real programming language in 0.6?
May 14 18:24:28 * mranostay ducks
May 14 18:27:35 * _av500_ covers
May 14 18:27:45 <mru> I don't think they've heard of lisp
May 14 18:29:12 <mranostay> honestly if you told me 4-5 years ago people would be doing server side stuff in JS...
May 14 18:29:52 <aholler> it's like doing realtime stuff in python
May 14 18:30:05 <mranostay> people are doing that?
May 14 18:30:21 <aholler> I think some try
May 14 18:52:43 <hiwa> hello, Can someone tell me how to make Restart bit instead of stop bit in i2c of beagleboard?
May 14 18:54:30 <mranostay> eh ok
May 14 18:55:10 <_av500_> it all depedns on the definition of real time
May 14 18:57:04 <mranostay> _av500_: isn't it typically 30 milliseconds?
May 14 18:57:16 <_av500_> really?
May 14 18:57:38 <mranostay> or is it a buzzword now? :)
May 14 18:57:48 <_av500_> now?
May 14 18:57:53 <_av500_> always
May 14 18:58:43 <aholler> realime was Mo 14. Mai 18:58:24 UTC 2012
May 14 18:59:22 <aholler> but I think the rt-patches have 32ms as limit or such
May 14 18:59:58 <_av500_> 64.0ms should be enough for everybody
May 14 19:00:10 <mranostay> heh i see what you did there
May 14 19:00:13 <_av500_> there, Paris
May 14 19:01:13 <mdp> another meaningless term people throw around
May 14 19:01:42 <mdp> at least "exact steps" is 100% clear
May 14 19:02:35 <aholler> microsteps?
May 14 19:02:56 <hiwa> Can someone tell me how to make Restart bit instead of stop bit in i2c of beagleboard?
May 14 19:03:19 <aholler> don't send a stop
May 14 19:08:31 <hiwa> aholler: but how? I mean, I have installed Angstrom and there should be some file to modify before bitbake so that it works
May 14 19:13:38 <aholler> Sorry, I never used the kernel i2c-api, so I don't know.
May 14 19:14:10 <aholler> maybe include/linux/i2c.h brings some light
May 14 19:15:39 <aholler> or have a look at drivers/rtc/rtc-ds1307.c reading the ds1307 is usally done with a restart
May 14 19:17:11 * prpplague is soooo over using the ds1307
May 14 19:18:16 <djlewis> prpplague: like your new chip ae? hows things? :)
May 14 19:18:46 <aholler> prpplague: why? ;)
May 14 19:19:13 <prpplague> aholler: costs and features
May 14 19:19:19 <prpplague> djlewis: it goes
May 14 19:20:01 <aholler> maybe, but almost everyone knows that chip ;)
May 14 19:21:19 <prpplague> aholler: yea the ds1307 is pretty expensive http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/DS1307Z%2B/DS1307Z%2B-ND/956882
May 14 19:21:27 <prpplague> aholler: $3.35 is singles
May 14 19:22:16 <prpplague> aholler: the MCP79410 is just $1.26 in singles, and for the core i2c registers is basically identical to the ds1307 - http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/MCP79410-I%2FSN/MCP79410-I%2FSN-ND/2480419
May 14 19:22:24 <aholler> yes, they make profit it's popularity
May 14 19:22:42 <prpplague> aholler: plus it has built in eeprom and multiple types of alarms
May 14 19:23:27 <prpplague> aholler: the mcp79410 can operate from 1.8V up, so no level shifters needed
May 14 19:23:48 <aholler> i will get a pcf8536 next time ;)
May 14 19:24:25 <prpplague> hehe
May 14 19:25:49 <aholler> at least it's the cheapiest one available as breakout incl. battery here.
May 14 19:26:06 <prpplague> aholler: that is probably true indeed
May 14 19:26:08 <prpplague> aholler: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=43fcb81550f7a16be192b19c77a379c9b27b1585
May 14 19:28:45 <koen> prpplague: and if it doesn't work, you just poke dwery  :)
May 14 19:29:28 <aholler> I still would prefer if SOCs would include a rtc
May 14 19:29:38 <prpplague> koen: hehe
May 14 19:29:41 <aholler> or at least all boards made for use by linux
May 14 19:30:09 <prpplague> koen: for which item not working?
May 14 19:31:03 * dwery runs
May 14 19:32:35 <koen> prpplague: rtc
May 14 19:32:43 <koen> prpplague: you do know he's the rtc maintainer, right?
May 14 19:33:07 <prpplague> koen: right, i thought you were referring to the mcp79410 code......
May 14 19:37:54 <aholler> btw., there is a possibility to get rich by selling rtcs to r-pi users. ;)
May 14 19:39:03 <mru> is that like selling shovels during the gold rush?
May 14 19:39:59 <aholler> a shovel to upgrade bones with an rtc? ;)
May 14 19:40:59 <prpplague> more like selling pet rocks to the blind
May 14 19:41:05 <aholler> my next mini-project will be an attiny85 along with an rtc for usage as usb-rtc ;)
May 14 19:41:41 <mru> prpplague: isn't that what the rpi itself is?
May 14 19:41:57 <dwery> aholler:  I think it would the first one of this kind
May 14 19:42:10 <dwery> and also the first hot swappable one
May 14 19:42:47 <dwery> the rtc subsystem should support that but I never tried :D
May 14 19:43:09 <aholler> I'm not sure, I think some people already using it that way.
May 14 19:43:41 <aholler> but I haven't found an usb-rtc-driver in the kernel
May 14 19:44:06 <aholler> so that would be something new to do.
May 14 19:44:07 <dwery> well, they haven't told me :D
May 14 19:44:34 <ynezz> \r\t\c dongle
May 14 19:50:36 <aholler> not sure if it makes sense, using libusb is easier.
May 14 19:51:43 <aholler> but as kernel-driver the time would be available before userspace
May 14 19:55:13 <aholler> maybe prpplague wants to build a 5$ usb-rtc-dongle ;)
May 14 19:55:38 * prpplague is tired of building boards for hobbyists 
May 14 19:58:16 <mranostay> heh
May 14 20:01:27 <djlewis> my little sdr unit has a tiny pic for usb control of the onboard frequency synth.
May 14 20:01:35 <djlewis> no rtc though
May 14 21:08:50 <Sgarr1> 99014614
May 14 21:08:58 <Sgarr1> oops sry
May 14 21:09:18 <mru> thanks, is that your bank account?
May 14 21:09:45 <Sgarr1> rsa token
May 14 21:25:06 <jsabeaudry> hmmmm, why doesn't my bank offer me the added security option o a rsa token
May 14 21:28:48 <KeatonT> sweet got my beaglebone online
May 14 22:40:38 <jkridner> koen: Updated readme.htm for feedback: http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm
May 14 22:49:41 <ncbas> jkridner: what is meant by "Two additional PRU signals overlaid with existing signals to the expansion header" for A6 ? Has pinout changed?
May 14 22:52:21 <jkridner> some additional pins are brought to the same header pins.
May 14 22:52:49 <jkridner> they are hi-z by default, so it shouldn't be a problem, though software will need to be careful not to drive them at the same time.
May 14 22:53:11 <jkridner> existing code should work without changes.
May 14 22:53:25 <ncbas> ok. does that affect the eeprom configuration code?
May 14 22:54:36 <jkridner> we'll need to add extra fields.
May 14 22:54:47 <jkridner> old revision eeproms won't enable these new signals.
May 14 22:55:50 <ncbas> but the table has fixed length now, we'll have to invent something smart. or use the i2c positions.
May 14 22:56:10 <jkridner> there is a version code.
May 14 22:56:29 <ncbas> ah, forgot about that
May 14 22:56:52 <ncbas> so no problem.
May 15 00:35:24 <KeatonT> So using this formula for GPIO1_2
May 15 00:35:32 <KeatonT> 32*1 + 2
May 15 00:35:34 <KeatonT> is 34
May 15 00:35:46 <KeatonT> but the pin is actually pin 5 on header P9
May 15 00:35:48 <KeatonT> so wtf?
May 15 00:35:51 <KeatonT> Anyone can explain?
May 15 00:38:14 <W1N9Zr0> https://github.com/CircuitCo/BeagleBone-RevA5/blob/master/BeagleBone_revA5_SRM.pdf?raw=true
May 15 01:00:53 * prpplague throws old z80 chips at XorA 
May 15 01:01:12 <emeb> those are pointy!
May 15 01:03:07 <XorA> prpplague: sweet :-D
May 15 01:04:31 * ds2 carelessly throws Xilinx FPGA's around
May 15 01:04:55 <emeb> now you have to bake them out and straighten the leads.
May 15 01:05:17 <XorA> you can get a whole zx spectrum in a xilinx
May 15 01:05:22 <ds2> leads??? these are *ahem* BGAs
May 15 01:05:27 <XorA> I wish I had time to play with these toys
May 15 01:05:44 <emeb> too high-tech for me.
May 15 01:08:57 <XorA> zx81 is all you ever need :-D
May 15 01:09:14 * XorA needs to learn PCB layout :-D
May 15 01:09:44 <prpplague> XorA: :) there are several tutorials using eagle, but i recommend kicad, which also has a few tutorials
May 15 01:09:55 * prpplague wishes he had time for all his projects
May 15 01:10:23 <prpplague> just fyi, i am still looking for someone to take over the arduino-for-userspace-linux project
May 15 01:10:39 <XorA> prpplague: I am swithering between Veecad and laying out my own PCBs and paying 30E a shot for them
May 15 01:13:03 <Russ> XorA, why are you paying so much? do you need them quickly?
May 15 01:13:25 <XorA> Russ: becuase Im in the UK which sucks for prices
May 15 01:14:08 <Russ> dorkbot international shipping wouldn't be too bad
May 15 01:14:44 <ds2> 60 isn't bad
May 15 01:14:51 <XorA> people are reporting that they get totally stung for import fees on PCBs :-(
May 15 01:15:01 <ds2> Russ: are you suggesting the 2-3 month turn around places?
May 15 01:15:29 <Russ> yes
May 15 01:15:37 <XorA> so was trying to stick within EU
May 15 01:15:41 <Russ> you just have to have patience
May 15 01:15:43 <agmlego> Dorkbot is faster than that.
May 15 01:15:51 <Russ> its 3 weeks
May 15 01:16:11 <ds2> you can find $30 range places w/o the 2-3 month turn around if you look
May 15 01:16:17 <ds2> but that is US only
May 15 01:16:30 <Russ> dorkbot is a lot less than $30
May 15 01:16:39 <ds2> but is it 2-3 month?
May 15 01:16:40 <Russ> and at lot less than 2-3 month
May 15 01:16:45 <Russ> 3 weeks
May 15 01:17:01 <XorA> Im not actually that bothered by paying 30E
May 15 01:17:23 <XorA> if I design something sellable I can get signifficantly cheaper by ordering 20 or so anyway
May 15 01:17:55 <ds2> Russ: this is the dorkbotpdx stuff?
May 15 01:18:30 <agmlego> ds2: Yes.
May 15 01:18:31 <Russ> yes
May 15 01:18:44 <agmlego> They tend to have around a 3-week turnaround, and are stupidly cheap for boards.
May 15 01:19:11 <Russ> http://www.flickr.com/groups/oshpark/pool/with/6991077022/
May 15 01:19:22 <ds2> the 4layer stuff looks interesting
May 15 01:19:45 <Russ> turn around was a bit longer for the 4 layer
May 15 01:20:02 <emeb> what's the advantage of dorkbot vs BatchPCB?
May 15 01:20:15 <ds2> the 2L stuff isn't that much cheaper
May 15 01:20:36 <agmlego> emeb: Loads faster, and nicer boards.
May 15 01:20:58 <emeb> agmlego: cool - will check them out for my next project.
May 15 01:21:02 <ds2> ah.. I see the catch.. paypal only
May 15 01:21:10 <emeb> not a problem for me.
May 15 01:21:33 <ds2> wonder if he's willing to take credit cards via paypal
May 15 01:21:46 <agmlego> How is PayPal only a catch?
May 15 01:22:12 <ds2> no reason to give paypal's grimy hands access to my account
May 15 01:22:28 <agmlego> So just tie it to a credit card.
May 15 01:22:32 <ds2> besides, less risk with credit cards
May 15 01:23:03 <ds2> that breaks down the overall point of using a credit card to control risk
May 15 01:23:17 <agmlego> Not really.
May 15 01:23:33 <ds2> does paypal itemize things on the CC statement?
May 15 01:23:51 <ds2> or do they do a xfer to paypal?
May 15 01:24:16 <agmlego> Does your normal seller itemize things on your bill for a given transaction?
May 15 01:24:23 <agmlego> Because nowhere I shop does.
May 15 01:24:35 <ds2> no
May 15 01:24:35 <emeb> oooh - 6mil line/space.
May 15 01:24:43 <emeb> can make things a bit tighter...
May 15 01:24:46 <agmlego> ds2: So why is that even a question?
May 15 01:24:57 <ds2> I mean if I make 2 purchases, will I get 2 charges
May 15 01:25:08 <ds2> not itemize things down to individual items.
May 15 01:25:25 <ds2> if they make lumpsum xfers, it creates issues with disputes
May 15 01:25:32 <agmlego> ds2: If you make two separate transactions, you will have two separate transactions, yes.
May 15 01:25:57 <ds2> agmlego: okay. do they show the vendor name in the transaction?
May 15 01:26:23 <agmlego> ds2: Yes.
May 15 01:26:53 <agmlego> A typical statement line will be something like "PayPal Transfer -- $vendor_name_here"
May 15 01:27:05 <ds2> fair enough. only issue is they didn't allow using a credit card only
May 15 01:27:21 <agmlego> Who is "they"?
May 15 01:27:26 <ds2> they insist on getting their grubby little hands into your account then you can select CC funding
May 15 01:27:27 <ds2> Paypal
May 15 01:27:32 <thurbad> you sure about that ds2?
May 15 01:27:39 <ds2> been through this last year
May 15 01:27:39 <agmlego> No, you can set one up without an account.
May 15 01:27:47 <agmlego> Always have been able to.
May 15 01:27:52 <ds2> that's a new feature
May 15 01:28:00 <thurbad> you can use paypal without an accountt if you use a credit card
May 15 01:28:04 <agmlego> Sure, you get a few more fees for things, and they remind you about the option to add an account.
May 15 01:28:14 <scromp> not if they recognize the cc #
May 15 01:28:16 <ds2> then how do you get around their verification thing?
May 15 01:28:23 <agmlego> ut they allow you to have a PayPal account tied to a credit card only.
May 15 01:28:28 <agmlego> What verification thing?
May 15 01:28:47 <scromp> if you are at your spending limit w/a non-premium account and they recognize the cc# you are screwed
May 15 01:28:52 <ds2> cuz they won't let me do anything w/o being a verified user and to become a verified user, they insist on getting access to my account.
May 15 01:28:57 <scromp> right
May 15 01:29:02 <scromp> i'm in the same boat
May 15 01:29:16 <agmlego> ds2: They will not let you do anything...? Do go on.
May 15 01:29:20 <scromp> and my account -was- verified before, i just deleted the account details
May 15 01:29:40 <ds2> agmlego: yep. and I had money in the account too
May 15 01:30:02 <agmlego> I still do not understand what issue you are having with it.
May 15 01:30:17 <ds2> agmlego: are you a US user?
May 15 01:30:23 <thurbad> I use a cc only, but I had a defunct bank account linked several years ago
May 15 01:30:37 <agmlego> ds2: Yup.
May 15 01:30:54 <ds2> agmlego: and you never game them a bank account, ever?
May 15 01:31:09 <agmlego> ds2: For many years, yes.
May 15 01:31:15 <agmlego> Without any issues at all.
May 15 01:31:23 <ds2> *shrug*
May 15 01:31:55 <ds2> agmlego: maybe you got grandfathered in or something
May 15 01:31:58 <thurbad> paypal had some major "issues" when it was first getting started
May 15 01:32:14 <thurbad> like trying to lock people out and keep their money
May 15 01:32:14 <ds2> I'd be okay if all they wanted was CC details. but that wasn't the case
May 15 01:32:53 <thurbad> but I haven't heard of any confirmed cases of them doing that for many years now
May 15 01:33:18 <Russ> thurbad, or asking people to destroy works of art
May 15 01:33:22 <agmlego> ds2: No idea. I know my roommate has only had her account for a year or two, and only has CC details in it.
May 15 01:33:40 <agmlego> She does not actually have a bank account.
May 15 01:33:52 <Russ> http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/04/paypal-shreds-ostensibly-rare-violin-because-it-cares/
May 15 01:34:19 <ds2> agmlego: donno
May 15 01:34:20 <agmlego> Russ: Yeah, that was a bad one. But it is a pretty isolated incident.
May 15 01:34:25 <agmlego> ds2: Me either.
May 15 01:34:30 <ds2> much rather not deal with them
May 15 01:34:38 <agmlego> ds2: I suggest you contact them and figure out what the issue is.
May 15 01:35:11 <ds2> agmlego: got better things to do. if a seller doesn't want to take a direct CC, easier to decline
May 15 01:35:35 <agmlego> Because accepting bare credit cards is a difficult and somewhat expensive task for a small company/single person, like DorkbotPDX.
May 15 01:36:02 <agmlego> PayPal (or DWOLLA, or Square, or...) are far easier and cheaper.
May 15 01:36:23 <ds2> not really. they can have paypal accept it for them
May 15 01:36:30 <ds2> some seller will allow that
May 15 01:36:44 <ds2> be happy to pay extra for the fees
May 15 01:37:18 <agmlego> You would be?
May 15 01:37:25 <agmlego> Contact the seller directly and ask, then.
May 15 01:37:30 <agmlego> Explain the situation.
May 15 01:39:12 <ds2> 'k
May 15 01:39:27 <ds2> anyways... for 2L boards, that isn't that great of a price
May 15 01:40:39 <agmlego> On the other hand, they are nice boards and have a pretty fast turnaround.
May 15 01:41:31 <ds2> for 2L boards, there are places quoting 3.30/sq inch
May 15 01:41:59 <agmlego> And what kind of turnaround time, and board quality?
May 15 01:42:05 <ds2> 8D
May 15 01:42:06 <agmlego> Also note that shipping is free.
May 15 01:42:40 <ds2> dorkbot's page says $5 for shipping
May 15 01:43:06 <agmlego> Eh?
May 15 01:43:16 <ds2> anyways..back to chips and dogs ;)
May 15 01:43:39 <ds2> agmlego: dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order... under Who's eligible
May 15 01:43:54 <ds2> n/m
May 15 01:44:02 <ds2> that's international
May 15 01:44:04 <agmlego> ds2: Only international shipping. You are a US customer (I assume, from what you said above), so shipping would be free.
May 15 01:44:58 <ds2> in anycase, the 4L's is the one of interest. 2L has lots of folks
May 15 01:45:15 <Russ> ds2, my 4 layer order went well
May 15 01:45:36 <ds2> Russ: how long did it take?
May 15 01:46:04 <Russ> lets see, order went in apr 3
May 15 01:46:18 <agmlego> ds2: Also, his board tolerances are smaller than a lot of places I have seen.
May 15 01:46:34 <ds2> agmlego: you mean the 6/6 stuff?
May 15 01:46:37 <Russ> and I think they came in sometime at the end of apr
May 15 01:46:39 <agmlego> Yeah.
May 15 01:46:47 <Russ> gold flashing too
May 15 01:46:49 <agmlego> Most places I have looked at did 8/8 or 10.10
May 15 01:46:53 <ds2> that's not too unusual
May 15 01:47:02 <ds2> now if he did 4/4, he'd have me sold
May 15 01:47:13 <agmlego> Russ: Most of the time. I have had a few boards come in with silver contacts, but they are usually gold.
May 15 01:47:28 <agmlego> ds2: Ask him, he may run a finer board.
May 15 01:47:30 <ds2> Russ: that's not bad
May 15 01:47:35 <Russ> true true, the finish is subject to change
May 15 01:48:02 <ds2> agmlego: *nod*
May 15 01:48:28 * agmlego goes to take a shower
May 15 01:49:32 <KeatonT> compiling mysql for the bone takes for freaking ever!
May 15 01:49:32 <KeatonT> lol
May 15 01:52:59 <mranostay> er your compiling on the bone?
May 15 01:53:06 <mranostay> *you're
May 15 01:53:14 <KeatonT> Yea
May 15 01:53:50 <KeatonT> I didn't want to bother with setting up a more powerful debian box to compile on it.
May 15 01:59:56 <KeatonT> Loving the bone so far.
May 15 02:00:01 <KeatonT> Great little device.
May 15 02:00:09 <KeatonT> Boots quicker than I expected.
May 15 02:01:44 <KeatonT> Does anyone know if it is possible to change the pull-down resistors on certain pins to pulluos?
May 15 02:01:48 <KeatonT> pullups?
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