**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 16 03:00:02 2012
May 16 03:01:35 <XMPPwocky> KeatonT: hm
May 16 03:01:54 <XMPPwocky> check your parity/stop bits and your baud rate
May 16 03:02:24 <KeatonT> The text is all fine until net install actually starts
May 16 03:02:35 <KeatonT> all the loading text for the kernel is completely readable.
May 16 03:13:22 <XMPPwocky> hmmm
May 16 03:13:24 <XMPPwocky> Unicode?
May 16 03:13:45 <XMPPwocky> try Minicom, it's a bit better with serial
May 16 03:20:37 <jkridner> XMPPwocky: thanks for trying to help, but KeatonT didn't help himself by sticking around.
May 16 03:20:49 <XMPPwocky> yeah
May 16 03:26:21 <doceme> anyone seeing stability issues (kernel oops, segfaults, etc) on beaglebone (A3) with latest rcn kernel and ubuntu or debian fs?
May 16 03:27:23 <doceme> newest Angstrom image is rock solid for me: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
May 16 03:28:06 <doceme> I have tried the prebuilt images on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
May 16 03:28:56 <doceme> Kernel locks up not long after end of kernel boot (faster heartbeat LEDs)
May 16 03:30:56 <doceme> I've tried precise-armhf, precise-armel, squeeze-armel, oneiric-r8
May 16 03:31:05 <rcn-ee> doceme, that image needs an update, if your still running it, i'll give you a link..
May 16 03:31:49 <doceme> I had been running with a debian squeeze filesystem that I had created a couple of months ago
May 16 03:31:56 <doceme> using netinstall
May 16 03:32:16 <doceme> but I can't even get through a netinstall now without it failing on installing some package
May 16 03:32:22 <rcn-ee> doceme, it's that psp7...
May 16 03:32:33 <doceme> i've tried netinstall with psp10
May 16 03:33:09 <rcn-ee> and even that one failed for you? (that's when i pulled in the unified tree, so it's the same kernel source as angstrom)
May 16 03:33:10 <ds2> prehaps fuzzy-feet?
May 16 03:33:28 <doceme> i've tried another SD card, no dice
May 16 03:34:01 <doceme> yeah, I noticed that angstrom kernel was 3.2.16 based, so should be close
May 16 03:34:09 <rcn-ee> it's exactly. ;)
May 16 03:34:10 <doceme> I would expect it to be giving problems if it was the kernel
May 16 03:34:47 <rcn-ee> as a test, you can always use the angstrom uImage and kernel modules on top of the debian/ubuntu rootfs it'll run just fine..
May 16 03:34:49 <doceme> even more reason to scratch my head :)
May 16 03:35:02 <doceme> ok, I'll give that shot
May 16 03:36:05 <rcn-ee> i know another user was having a similar problem on the a3, what's weird my a2/a3 work just fine..
May 16 03:36:36 <doceme> I have a friend with another A3.  I'll see if he can run with my SD card and compare
May 16 03:37:15 <rcn-ee> those are tough to debug, effects one a3, but not others.. ;)
May 16 03:37:35 <doceme> yep.  thanks for the suggestions
May 16 03:37:50 <doceme> I mainly wanted to make sure there wasn't some known issue I should have known about
May 16 03:38:49 <rcn-ee> nope not on that one... other then the issue on the psp7 (so the demo images) which i'm planning to upload with psp10 later this week, so atleast that bug is fixed..
May 16 03:39:07 <doceme> what was the issue with psp7?
May 16 03:39:48 <KeatonT> Got it working.
May 16 03:40:04 <KeatonT> Had to use an Ubuntu install instead of OS X.
May 16 03:40:07 <rcn-ee> doceme, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/_cOkukIIVvE  this hung task issue, i'm seeing it now too..
May 16 03:40:40 <rcn-ee> seems dependent on sd cards, but one of the 3.2.x stable patches fixed it..
May 16 03:40:59 <doceme> ah, yes I remember hitting that
May 16 03:41:27 <doceme> I am using the original SD cards that came with my bone
May 16 03:41:47 <doceme> I just ordered two more class 10 cards from newegg this evening
May 16 03:41:58 <doceme> I'll give those a try
May 16 03:42:24 <rcn-ee> that's how i discovered it to...  normaly i use my own sandisk collection, but one day last week i had to use the one that came witht he bone, and there the error happened..
May 16 03:43:25 <rcn-ee> i've had good luck with the el-cheapo micro san disk ones on amazon, but i also reformat those cards to many times in a given day when testing.. so who knows how well they last under normal usage..
May 16 03:43:29 <doceme> good to know.  I hope the new cards help.
May 16 04:16:16 <KeatonT> woot Debian almost done installed.
May 16 04:16:19 <KeatonT> installing*
May 16 04:44:03 <KeatonT> Debian installed :)
May 16 05:05:52 <blucalvin> Hi all, I was trying to figure out how the audio output of BeagleBoard-xm worked. As in, which driver offered the output through the headphone jack?
May 16 05:14:44 <KeatonT> The beaglebone seems to run faster with Debian installed.
May 16 05:15:49 <blucalvin> What I'm trying to do is to write a simple C program that reads from the driver that receives microphone input and after a small delay write it to the driver that plays the headphone output. So basically whatever I speak into the microphone, I should be able to hear it after a small delay. So I'm searching for which those drivers are.
May 16 05:17:12 <sneak> hi
May 16 05:18:20 <koen> jkridner: schmux in bone101 populates the last item with javascript spew
May 16 05:18:21 <sneak> does use of the omap crypto absolutely require a kernel driver? 'openssl speed' claims to be compiled with CRYPTO_DEV, would it be using the omap hw aes accel even if i don't have kernel drivers installed?
May 16 05:18:33 <sneak> err, HAVE_CRYPTODEV
May 16 05:19:45 <jkridner> koen: ah yeah, I forgot about that.  no good idea where it is coming from.
May 16 05:21:32 <koen> and I made your terminal blow up within 3 commands :)
May 16 05:21:44 <koen> I call it the htop-of-death
May 16 05:22:20 <jkridner> yeah, it doesn't have any real terminal emulation.
May 16 05:22:31 <jkridner> only useful for issuing commands right now...
May 16 05:22:35 <jkridner> not interactive apps.
May 16 05:22:49 <jkridner> I still find it useful.
May 16 05:22:56 <jkridner> the javascript terminal even more so.
May 16 05:24:07 <jkridner> something like: socket.on('pinMode', function(m) { alert(JSON.stringify(m) }; socket.emit('pinMode', {pin: bone.P8_3});
May 16 05:24:48 <jkridner> missed a paren and probably wrong other ways too, but very handy for developing the browser-side JS.
May 16 05:30:17 <jkridner> koen: k, I found a one-line hack to fix it.
May 16 05:30:23 <jkridner> schmux that is.
May 16 05:32:10 <jkridner> koen: fix pushed to master.
May 16 05:32:17 <jkridner> er, hack.  not really fix.
May 16 05:35:17 <Guest91504> Hi all, if i have mmc slot working, then from mmc, i can write to nand, is it possible to erase and to write xloader and uboot to nand from serial also?
May 16 05:36:15 <sneak> Guest91504: for beaglebone or beagleboard? it's my understanding that the beaglebone doesn't have any nand.
May 16 05:37:12 <koen> either way: x-loader is deprecated
May 16 05:37:25 <jkridner> please use u-boot SPL for MLO.
May 16 05:37:53 <jkridner> and, yeah, beagleboard-xm and beaglebone don't have any NAND flash, only the original beagleboard has NAND.
May 16 05:39:29 <Guest91504> beagle board..yes serial booting is using s-loader sorry not x-loader
May 16 05:39:50 <Guest91504> sneak, it's for beagle board C3
May 16 05:41:42 <ds2> pserial
May 16 05:41:50 <ds2> look for the omap boot utils
May 16 05:42:35 <Guest91504> using pserial and pkermit i can write s-loader and u-boot to SRAM..can i write to nand using those tools?
May 16 05:43:11 <Guest91504> i got u-boot prompt through serial boot, need to write these files to nand without mmc working
May 16 05:43:51 <ds2> if you got u-boot,  you can write it to NAND
May 16 05:45:00 <sneak> is there any convenient way to get my bbone to use the uImage from /boot on partition 2 instead of the UIMAGE on the fat partition 1?
May 16 05:45:11 <Guest91504> yes i got u-boot, i can do nand erase, but to do nand writes, i am not clear how to get the files from
May 16 05:45:17 <koen> sneak: it is using the one in /boot
May 16 05:45:24 <koen> sneak: if you have a recent image
May 16 05:45:29 <sneak> koen: then why is there a uimage on the FAT partition?
May 16 05:45:36 <ds2> Guest91504: kermit
May 16 05:46:15 <sneak> it's not easy being green (or using rs232 to transfer files)
May 16 05:46:20 <koen> 07:45 < koen> sneak: if you have a recent image
May 16 05:46:31 <Guest91504> using kermit i can write to SRAM, how will know the address in SRAM where the files are present, like in case of mmc, we know the exact address
May 16 05:46:57 <sneak> koen: could you define "recent"? i have 2012.01 from angstroem, i think
May 16 05:47:10 <koen> go for v2012.05
May 16 05:47:26 <ds2> Guest91504: you specify it when you load it... loadb 0x82000000
May 16 05:47:28 <sneak> got a link?
May 16 05:47:28 <ds2> for example
May 16 05:48:12 <koen> sneak: beagleboard.org/angstrom
May 16 05:50:00 <sneak> koen: the latest uBoot is 2011.09.
May 16 05:50:01 <sneak> there's no 2012.05
May 16 05:50:41 <koen> the complete sd image on there
May 16 05:50:53 <sneak> that's for the root, i'm not talking about the OS
May 16 05:51:03 <sneak> the thing that reads the uImage is uBoot, no?
May 16 05:51:15 <sneak> it doesn't matter what OS is on the second partition, right?  just as long as uBoot can read the filesystem?
May 16 05:53:10 <Guest91504> ds2, did not get you..in case of mmc, we get file from mmc to the address say 0x80000000 like fatload mmc 0:1 80000000 uImage and then we donand write 80000000 280000 400000, but from serial how wil get to know the file address in RAM to write to nand?
May 16 05:54:18 <KeatonT> Anyone care to explain to me how you get the GPIO pins showing up in /sys/class/gpio on debian
May 16 05:54:18 <KeatonT> ?
May 16 05:54:24 <ds2> Guest91504: the same way you get that.... the fatload mmc 0:1 80000000 uImage loads the uImage file from a fat FS on mmc 0, partition 1 to address 80000000
May 16 05:54:28 <ds2> look at the loadb command
May 16 05:54:56 <17SAA5J4X> KeatonT: is it in the kernel?  if so, just mount sysfs.
May 16 05:55:30 <KeatonT> I pretty sure it is in the kernel
May 16 05:55:40 <jkridner> KeatonT: you should be able to find it via google.
May 16 05:55:53 <KeatonT> I found a few things in google
May 16 05:56:17 <Guest91504> loadb## Ready for binary (kermit) download to 0x80200000 at 115200 bps...and waiting there..does this mean u-boot is at that address?
May 16 05:56:41 <ds2> that means the next file you send will be at that address
May 16 05:56:43 <sneak> Guest91504: no it means you should now start your kermit transfer and that it will put the file at that offset
May 16 05:56:49 <ds2> note - do not overwrite the running u-boot
May 16 05:56:52 <KeatonT> export	gpiochip0  gpiochip32  gpiochip64  gpiochip96  unexport
May 16 05:57:01 <KeatonT> That's all I have in /sys/class/gpio
May 16 05:57:13 <jkridner> ah...
May 16 05:57:24 <jkridner> http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio.txt
May 16 05:57:35 <jkridner> echo $PIN > export
May 16 05:57:51 <jkridner> make sure the mux is set to mode 7 as well.
May 16 05:58:02 <KeatonT> How would I determine the pin #
May 16 05:58:05 <sneak> is there some metapackage in aangstroem that requires binutils and gcc and gcc-symlinks and make and whatnot?
May 16 05:58:32 <Guest91504> so i can write u-boot using kermit at that address on NAND, but before that i should write s-loader to NAND..how can i do that?
May 16 05:58:33 <sneak> like a "working development environment" metapackage
May 16 05:58:35 <jkridner> KeatonT: well, long way is TRM + SRM.
May 16 05:58:40 <sneak> first i had to install gcc, then make, then binutils, then gcc-symlinks, etc etc etc
May 16 05:58:49 <jkridner> always good to have those handy and to know how to find things in them.
May 16 05:59:03 <jkridner> I've been doing examples of things like using GPIOs in Bonescript.
May 16 05:59:10 <ds2> exact same way
May 16 05:59:13 <jkridner> you can also look at PyBBIO
May 16 05:59:49 <sneak> are there any c/cpp examples of using the gpio pins at high speed? like if i wanted to do my own rs232 instead of using the on-chip uarts?
May 16 05:59:55 <KeatonT> jkridner yea I'm actually planning on using PyBBIO
May 16 06:00:07 <KeatonT> Guess I wouldn't need fs GPIO if I do lol
May 16 06:00:22 <jkridner> Just read the source to PyBBIO.
May 16 06:00:28 <sneak> jkridner: thanks :)
May 16 06:00:33 <ds2> just write proper kernel drivers
May 16 06:00:43 <Guest91504> ds2, i tried a kermit ub-boot write command, it's hanging
May 16 06:01:24 <jkridner> sneak: depending what you mean by high-speed, you may want to go without an OS, write a kernel driver, or utilize the M3/PRU CPUs.
May 16 06:01:25 <Guest91504> am i supposed to run sudo ./ukermit -p /dev/ttyUSB0 -f u-boot.bin, while loadb is running on minicom?
May 16 06:01:41 <ds2> Make sure you are not overwriting your running u-boot
May 16 06:01:46 <ds2> try loading it to 82000000
May 16 06:02:09 <sneak> ooh, i didn't know about the PRU
May 16 06:02:12 <sneak> that is cool, thanks
May 16 06:02:22 <sneak> i should probably read the omap datasheet huh
May 16 06:02:31 <KeatonT> I wish the bone was just a tad bit faster.
May 16 06:02:41 <Guest91504> ds2, loadb 0x82000000 115200, you mean this command
May 16 06:02:48 <ds2> yeah
May 16 06:02:49 <sneak> KeatonT: what are you trying to do with it that you find it too slow/
May 16 06:02:49 <sneak> ?
May 16 06:03:08 <Guest91504> how to exit from loadb on minicom?
May 16 06:03:09 <KeatonT> It's going to be used for a home alarm system.
May 16 06:03:16 <KeatonT> So GPIO for the sensors.
May 16 06:03:19 <ds2> you were probally overwriting ur running u-boot
May 16 06:03:22 <KeatonT> a web server and database for the logs.
May 16 06:03:23 <sneak> KeatonT: what part of that is too slow/
May 16 06:03:34 <sneak> why not have it upload the logs to a Real Web Server?
May 16 06:03:47 <sneak> for processing/viewing
May 16 06:04:07 <Guest91504> ds2, possible actually..how can i come out of loadb on minicom? and how can i make sure i am not over writing working u-boot in SRAM?
May 16 06:04:49 <ds2> send it kermit end of file
May 16 06:05:08 <ds2> find out where you have u-boot compiled to run at. avoid that address
May 16 06:05:21 <ds2> are you sure you are running u-boot out of SRAM?
May 16 06:06:16 <Guest91504> yes, the link i followed for serial booting says s-loader and u-boot will go to RAM
May 16 06:07:10 <KeatonT> sneak I wanted to centralize everything to have a low power solution.
May 16 06:07:19 <KeatonT> and also make it easier to physically secure.
May 16 06:07:50 <sneak> KeatonT: you can still do that.  AWS will be using the electricity whether you upload your logs to it or not.
May 16 06:08:15 <Guest91504> ds2, i closed the kermit command running, but loadb i am not able to stop, is closing minicom the proper solution?
May 16 06:08:22 <KeatonT> If I just uploaded the stuff to an external web server I'd still need an internet connection on the device at all times.
May 16 06:08:31 <sneak> Guest91504: there is probably some kermit command that tells it "transfer done"
May 16 06:08:36 <sneak> that you need to send to get the u-boot prompt back
May 16 06:08:40 <KeatonT> hosting the database on the bone allows me to keep logs regardless of internet connectivity.
May 16 06:08:52 <sneak> KeatonT: you can still do that, really
May 16 06:09:11 <sneak> rsyslog for example has already implemented store-and-forward
May 16 06:09:11 <sneak> smtp does it as well
May 16 06:09:18 <Guest91504> sneak, so till kermit says transfer done, can't we stop loadb command?
May 16 06:09:31 <sneak> Guest91504: i don't know, my guess is "not without reset"
May 16 06:09:38 <sneak> control-c?
May 16 06:10:14 <KeatonT> I still would rather everything been on the bone
May 16 06:10:17 <KeatonT> And really it will do it.
May 16 06:10:30 <KeatonT> Just viewing logs in a web interface might be a little slower than I'd like.
May 16 06:10:45 <ds2> just send it a dummy file
May 16 06:10:47 <Guest91504> sneak, i closed kermit command, but ctrl -c, ctrl -z, ctrl-x nothing stops loadb
May 16 06:10:53 <sneak> do what ds2 said then
May 16 06:11:30 <sneak> KeatonT: then stop trying to do data processing on an embedded device and use the right tool for the job.
May 16 06:11:30 <sneak> AWS micro instances are free.
May 16 06:12:32 <KeatonT> I think I'll stick to my original plan
May 16 06:12:37 <KeatonT> and run the database on the bone.
May 16 06:13:14 <Guest91504> sudo ./ukermit -p /dev/ttyUSB0 -f temp will this be a correc command, or do i need to mention the address i get in loadb here in kermit command?
May 16 06:17:00 <Guest91504> http://omapedia.org/wiki/Zoom_Flashing#Flash_NAND this looks like easier to flash to NAND..anyone did this?
May 16 06:20:56 <ds2> Zoom *cough* *gag* *choke*
May 16 06:24:13 <Guest91504> how do i need to change s-loader and u-boot to boot them from nand?
May 16 06:31:10 <jkridner> mranostay: your GeigerBone seems to have stopped detecting any radiation on 4/27.  Is SJC still there for when I catch my flight in a couple hours?
May 16 06:31:26 <sneak> where is the code on the beaglebone that reads the mmc partition table and finds the uboot.img file on the first partition and runs it?
May 16 06:32:58 <jkridner> sneak: http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=summary (u-boot SPL)
May 16 06:33:43 <jkridner> config is here: http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/configs/am335x_evm.h
May 16 06:34:09 <sneak> jkridner: no, i'm asking what code loads and runs uboot
May 16 06:34:15 <sneak> not for the uboot code
May 16 06:34:23 <sneak> is that part of the am33xx?
May 16 06:34:24 <jkridner> u-boot SPL loads and runs u-boot.
May 16 06:34:37 <jkridner> no, the ROM code loads u-boot SPL.
May 16 06:34:44 <jkridner> The file called MLO.
May 16 06:34:50 <ds2> heheeheheh
May 16 06:34:52 <jkridner> MLO == u-boot SPL.
May 16 06:34:52 <sneak> ahh, so MLO is the SPL?
May 16 06:34:54 <sneak> gotcha
May 16 06:34:57 <jkridner> yes.
May 16 06:35:07 <sneak> the rom looks for a file called "MLO" on a fat partition?
May 16 06:35:14 <jkridner> yeah.
May 16 06:35:20 <ds2> that is one place it looks
May 16 06:35:21 <sneak> does it support any other filesystems?
May 16 06:35:29 <sneak> ds2: i have a bone so no nand for me
May 16 06:35:32 <ds2> you can stash it in the boot area
May 16 06:35:43 <ds2> sneak: yes, wasn't suggesting NAND
May 16 06:35:45 <sneak> boot area where?
May 16 06:35:57 <ds2> forgot the exact place
May 16 06:36:07 <jkridner> sneak: such as the Master Boot Record...
May 16 06:36:07 <ds2> u have to search for it
May 16 06:36:23 <sneak> ahh, in the mmc
May 16 06:36:26 <jkridner> it checks a few sector offsets.
May 16 06:36:46 <sneak> is there any way of booting uBoot on the beaglebone with no mmc card?
May 16 06:36:47 <jkridner> BeagleBone has 3 boot options: USB(serial), Ethernet and SD.
May 16 06:36:54 <jkridner> that is where the ROM boots from.
May 16 06:37:05 <Guest91504> jkridner, serial boot also
May 16 06:37:07 <sneak> the ROM will ethernet boot?
May 16 06:37:26 <jkridner> Guest91504: the serial port is tied up on the USB, which is why I put USB(serial).
May 16 06:37:31 <sneak> that would make my life a lot easier
May 16 06:37:32 <jkridner> sneak: yup.
May 16 06:37:44 <sneak> i could skip all of this mmc card garbage and just use tftp/nfs like a real person
May 16 06:37:45 <jkridner> I don't think anybody's posted how to do it...
May 16 06:37:55 <jkridner> I know TI engineers still struggle with doing the Ethernet boot.
May 16 06:38:00 <sneak> i'll boot it without a card and see what packets it spits out.
May 16 06:38:03 <ds2> uh... errrr
May 16 06:38:06 <jkridner> I think it is essentially just BOOTP.
May 16 06:38:12 <ds2> it isn't quite normal tftp/nfs
May 16 06:38:16 <Guest91504> bootp?
May 16 06:38:27 <ds2> should be the same stuff as the Craneboard, IIRC
May 16 06:38:36 <jkridner> Guest91504: Google is your friend.
May 16 06:38:38 <sneak> ds2: it is for unix people
May 16 06:38:53 <jkridner> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Device:AM335x:Device_Evaluation has some reference to docs about the device.
May 16 06:39:00 <ds2> sneak: check the TRM... I think it wants something more then that
May 16 06:39:00 <sneak> i already have tftp/nfs servers. placing files on an ext2 filesystem on an SD card is more of a challenge because i have no machines with SD slots and extN drivers
May 16 06:39:21 <jkridner> sneak: TRM shortcut for you: http://www.ti.com/lit/pdf/spruh73
May 16 06:39:36 <sneak> much obliged
May 16 06:39:56 <Guest91504> jkridner, using serial boot i got u-boot prompt, now i am trying flash s-loader and u-boot files to nand, using serial tools like pserial and kermit, without mmc..is that possible?
May 16 06:40:00 <jkridner> currently chapter 26
May 16 06:40:22 <sneak> jkridner: this claims the ethernet is 1000bt? is that a typo? i thought the bbone was 10/100 only.
May 16 06:41:23 <jkridner> Guest91504: k, you are talking beagleboard where sneak is talking beaglebone.  you were getting the correct guidance earlier to load u-boot over serial and use u-boot to flash.  you can use x-modem or kermit to send the files you want to flash to memory using u-boot.
May 16 06:41:39 <jkridner> Guest91504: it is like the old days of being on BBSes and sending files.
May 16 06:41:52 <jkridner> sneak: no, but the beaglebone doesn't support it.
May 16 06:43:28 <sneak> is that because of the PHY used?
May 16 06:44:09 <jkridner> yeah...
May 16 06:44:39 <jkridner> can't find 1G PHYs that don't require NDAs and are affordable.
May 16 06:45:06 <ds2> 'affordable' heheheehheeh
May 16 06:45:12 <sneak> makes sense. how much do the am33xx chips cost in small quantities? (e.g. <=100)
May 16 06:45:18 <jkridner> the AM335x EVM supports 2x 1G.
May 16 06:45:34 <jkridner> with small quantities, everything goes crazy. :(
May 16 06:45:43 <sneak> well obv
May 16 06:46:32 <jkridner> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/XAM3358ZCE/XAM3358ZCE-ND/2797983 shows $25.
May 16 06:46:34 <ds2> what do you want to customize?
May 16 06:46:43 <ds2> there is always doing a group buy
May 16 06:46:47 <sneak> i think it would be cool to make $100 AoE boards.
May 16 06:47:01 <ds2> AoE?
May 16 06:47:05 <sneak> or a cheap AoE enclosure with one gigabit port per disk
May 16 06:47:07 <ds2> Art of Electronics?
May 16 06:47:08 <sneak> ATA over Ethernet
May 16 06:47:09 <jkridner> 100k volume AM3352 in 13x13 package is $5.
May 16 06:47:12 <ds2> oh
May 16 06:47:23 <sneak> what would be cool is to be able to do per-disk crypto, though
May 16 06:47:29 <sneak> on the aoe chip
May 16 06:47:41 <sneak> so you could just init them with a "this is the key" ethernet packet
May 16 06:47:43 <jkridner> device does have crypto accelerators.
May 16 06:47:45 <sneak> yup
May 16 06:48:07 <jkridner> the cortex-m3 in there is meant to be used as a security co-proc.
May 16 06:48:16 <sneak> i'd pay $500 for a four-disk four-port housing that did that, with open hw/sw
May 16 06:48:27 <jkridner> but, the 'catalog' support doesn't promote it for use.
May 16 06:48:41 <ds2> sneak: so a modern day NSLU2?
May 16 06:48:42 <sneak> if the aangstroem openssl build uses it (i'm not sure if it's doing accelerated without the kernel cryptoapi driver installed yet) it claims to do about 8mB/sec
May 16 06:48:52 <ds2> is the m3 open thesedays?
May 16 06:49:04 <sneak> ds2: sort of, but for block storage.
May 16 06:49:17 * jkridner wishes am335x had SATA.
May 16 06:49:17 <sneak> i meant non-chip hw
May 16 06:49:19 <sneak> like, the board
May 16 06:49:22 <sneak> jkridner: indeed.
May 16 06:49:28 <jkridner> I think am1808 does.
May 16 06:49:31 <jkridner> but, it is ARM9.
May 16 06:49:37 <sneak> rather i lied
May 16 06:49:44 <sneak> 15mB/sec in 8k aes-128 chunks
May 16 06:49:49 <ds2> hawk *cough* hawk
May 16 06:49:50 <sneak> that's well-within the realm of usb2.0
May 16 06:49:51 <ds2> ;)
May 16 06:49:59 <jkridner> am387x has sata.
May 16 06:50:22 <sneak> come to think of it, it's within the realm of 100mbit ethernet, as well
May 16 06:50:22 <sneak> nm i'm 'tarded
May 16 06:50:44 <sneak> i'm thinking an array of like 7 or 8 of them doing hw crypto and exporting ataoe devs for raiding on a bonded gigE host
May 16 06:51:21 <sneak> or i could just suck it up and buy that thunderbolt raid cage
May 16 06:51:38 <jkridner> why crypto?
May 16 06:51:54 <Guest91504> can we load uImage using kermit to RAM?
May 16 06:51:59 <sneak> jkridner: lots of reasons.
May 16 06:52:47 <jkridner> Guest91504: yes
May 16 06:53:07 <jkridner> Guest91504: that is necessary to do first if you are going to write it to NAND.
May 16 06:53:24 <jkridner> unless DFU allows you to avoid having the full thing in RAM.
May 16 06:53:53 * jkridner needs to try out DFU on Mac/Win/Lin.
May 16 06:54:02 <sneak> df?
May 16 06:54:03 <sneak> dfu?
May 16 06:55:10 <jkridner> for Guest91504--- device firmware upgrade ---a USB class (mode) to write firmware
May 16 06:56:05 <Guest91504> so after i get u-boot prompt, i need to write kernel file to RAM using kermit? why and how is the uImage write to RAM required to write u-boot and s-loader to nand?
May 16 06:56:45 <jkridner> Guest91504: did you look at the 'nand write' instructions?
May 16 06:56:59 <jkridner> Guest91504: they take as an argument an address in RAM of *what* to write.
May 16 06:57:08 <Guest91504> yes nand write instructions while mmc works i got them
May 16 06:57:30 <Guest91504> but the address where pserial or kermit wrote the files how do i get?
May 16 06:57:37 <jkridner> well, reading from mmc is one way to get the files into ram, but kermit is another.
May 16 06:58:46 <Guest91504> my mmc is not wroking now..how do i know the address of files in RAM when pserial and kermit are used? i need to write s-loader to NAND too
May 16 06:59:39 <jkridner> Guest91504: have you read http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/UBootCmdGroupDownload#Section_5.9.5.3. yet?
May 16 06:59:57 <av500> jkridner: he is not much into reading, can you read it for him?
May 16 07:00:01 <av500> that worked the last time
May 16 07:00:21 <jkridner> :D
May 16 07:00:24 <jkridner> :-D
May 16 07:01:22 <sneak> Guest91504: why is your mmc not working?
May 16 07:01:29 <sneak> that will make your life a lot easier.
May 16 07:03:42 <Guest91504> mmc slot went bad
May 16 07:04:33 <mranostay> jkridner: yeah no radiation poisoning
May 16 07:04:59 <jkridner> mranostay: you coming out to Maker Faire?
May 16 07:05:06 <sneak> ooh, i just thought of something
May 16 07:05:07 <sneak> i could make an rfid cloner cape!
May 16 07:05:10 <mranostay> crap forgot all about that
May 16 07:09:28 <mranostay> jkridner: TI has a booth i take?
May 16 07:09:55 <jkridner> yeah.  TI is sponsoring a BeagleBoard.org booth... so I don't have to talk about non-BeagleBoard stuff. :)
May 16 07:10:25 <jkridner> in the past, community members have gotten the BeagleBoard.org booth.
May 16 07:10:39 <jkridner> I'm planning to bring out the BeagleWall...
May 16 07:10:54 <jkridner> we'll also have some hands-on workstations with xMs (for user interface) and Bones.
May 16 07:11:00 <jkridner> 4 seats.
May 16 07:11:01 <ds2> when is koen flying in?
May 16 07:11:09 <jkridner> I don't think he is for this one.
May 16 07:11:28 <jkridner> I'm not sure what shows he's picked.
May 16 07:11:30 <ds2> really? thought the beaglewall won't boot right without him baby sitting it? ;)
May 16 07:11:45 <mranostay> ah screw it
May 16 07:11:47 <jkridner> there's truth to that.
May 16 07:12:00 * mranostay buys a ticket so he 'has' to go
May 16 07:13:37 <mranostay> beaglewall?
May 16 07:13:58 <ds2> 2x6 arrangement of ~20inch displays
May 16 07:14:12 <ds2> mounted together and made to act as if one giant display via a network of beagle's
May 16 07:16:06 <av500> 2x3
May 16 07:16:27 <av500> mranostay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pwUdRKllo0
May 16 07:16:44 <ds2> oops
May 16 07:16:56 <ds2> 2x6 would have aspect ratio issues
May 16 07:17:19 <av500> http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/sets/72157622794548090/
May 16 07:17:26 <av500> ds2: or you need wide wide screen movies
May 16 07:17:54 <ds2> we need to add a giant touch screen to the wall
May 16 07:18:01 <ds2> and play big angry birds ;)
May 16 07:18:09 <av500> something camera based
May 16 07:18:13 <Russ> or sonic
May 16 07:18:17 <ds2> IR
May 16 07:18:17 <av500> with opencv
May 16 07:18:20 <av500> on the dsp
May 16 07:18:28 <ds2> cheap and plenty of GPIO's available
May 16 07:18:43 <av500> ds2: HP150 style?
May 16 07:18:48 <ds2> HP150?
May 16 07:18:52 * ds2 searches
May 16 07:19:31 <sneak> how do i access the gpmc stuff via linux? is there a doc on how it's mapped?
May 16 07:19:36 <ds2> no, not like that
May 16 07:19:43 <ds2> like what the NST uses
May 16 07:19:44 <av500> :)
May 16 07:20:09 <ds2> sneak: yes, the TRM
May 16 07:20:16 <av500> ds2: we had HP150s at school
May 16 07:20:36 <av500> with HPs own version of DOS
May 16 07:20:51 <ds2> we only had the HPUX machines
May 16 07:22:21 <av500> that HP DOS was actually IBM DOS compatible mostly, except for all the HP terminal control chars it used
May 16 07:22:41 <av500> so running it on a PC produced wierd output
May 16 07:27:03 <Guest91504> on the uboot prompt i gave loadb 0x80200000, and tried ukermit command for uImage file..do not understand what i need to do additional, as kermit command is hanging
May 16 07:34:43 <sneak> it's not hanging
May 16 07:34:43 <sneak> it's waiting for you to send a file via kermit
May 16 07:34:52 <sneak> kermit is a serial transfer protocol, it runs over the same channel you are typing commands.
May 16 07:35:10 <sneak> obviously, you can't type commands while you're using the port for sending data. it's sitting there waiting for kermit protocol.
May 16 07:35:17 <Guest91504> MMC: block number 0x1 exceeds max(0x0) does this error mean mmc went bad?
May 16 07:35:18 <sneak> use your serial communication program to choose a file to send.
May 16 07:35:22 <koen> av500: the UK wall is using the dsp with a kinect to start/stop/fast-forward
May 16 07:36:49 <Guest91504> sneak, i gave loadb in minicom u-boot prompt and ran kermit for uImage on host pc..kermit does not show progress bar too..
May 16 07:37:47 <sneak> get a better serial program
May 16 07:38:08 <sneak> bbl
May 16 07:38:11 * sneak --other &
May 16 07:42:01 <blucalvin> Is it possible to setup a direct cable connection between my laptop and my beagleboard via the ethernet ports?
May 16 07:43:04 <Guest91504> sneak, do you think there is anything else to do, than loadb addr baudrate in minicom and kermit in host pc?
May 16 07:48:44 <dm8tbr> blucalvin: sure, as long as your laptop does auto-mdi or you have a x-over cable (if the lights come up things are fine). then just configure both sides with matching network parameters.
May 16 07:50:03 <blucalvin> I have a cable that has its rx and tx swapped at one end. But upon simply connecting it, the lights are not on.
May 16 07:52:15 * Russ so, so alone http://media.cdn-redfin.com/photo/45/bigphoto/602/C10091602_18_3.jpg
May 16 07:54:37 * mranostay zzzzz's
May 16 08:37:28 <Cuongle> Hi everyone, is it possible to use USB to Serial device on Beagleboard-xM using Angstrom
May 16 08:38:59 <dm8tbr> as long as the kernel-modules are compiled for those, yes
May 16 08:39:32 <dm8tbr> although I wonder why not use the UARTs on the board? or is the usb chip embedded somewhere?
May 16 08:40:58 <Cuongle> I wanna communicate with a MCU(e.g PIC), so, if I use the 2nd UART on the Boad, I need a driver to change 1.8V to 5V
May 16 08:41:29 <LetoThe2nd> thats not a driver, thats a mere "level shifter"
May 16 08:41:46 <Cuongle> yeah, I mean that.
May 16 08:42:51 <LetoThe2nd> Cuongle: for simple rx/tx there are even ready to run products from sparkfun, for example.
May 16 08:42:58 <Cuongle> And I dont know where to begin, Im a freshman
May 16 08:46:25 <Cuongle> LetoThe2nd: Would you mind to show me where to begin if I wanna communicate BB-xM vs another MCU via UART?
May 16 08:46:39 <LetoThe2nd> Cuongle: see http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10403 for example
May 16 08:47:08 <aholler_> 8745 is much cheaper
May 16 08:47:26 <LetoThe2nd> Cuongle: super simple level shifter, just stick it in between the lines and power it from both sides.
May 16 08:47:55 <LetoThe2nd> aholler: thats the price of ready to buy solutions for learning ;)
May 16 08:48:55 <LetoThe2nd> (i choose that one over the simpler 8745 because of the bidirectionality, for the protocol.)
May 16 08:49:04 <Cuongle> ok, thank you so much LetoThe2nd.
May 16 08:49:29 <aholler> a serial has tx and rx
May 16 08:49:35 <aholler> no bi-x
May 16 08:50:05 <Cuongle> and, could you show me some link to know how to programe for BB-xm to use the 2nd UART?
May 16 08:50:17 <LetoThe2nd> yeah, and next time he'll want to use i2c and is stuck again. those 4$ are well spent IMHO.
May 16 08:50:28 <aholler> i2c works with 8745 too ;)
May 16 08:50:49 <LetoThe2nd> Cuongle: google "linux $yourfavoriteprogramminglanguage serial"
May 16 08:51:10 <LetoThe2nd> maybe add "port"
May 16 08:51:27 <aholler> LetoThe2nd: the tx-lines of 8745 are bidirectional
May 16 08:51:40 <LetoThe2nd> aholler: ah ok.
May 16 08:51:46 <LetoThe2nd> *notes*
May 16 08:52:25 <aholler> just read the first comment ;)
May 16 08:52:43 <aholler> proved here
May 16 08:52:54 * LetoThe2nd doesn't read, just click colourful links.
May 16 08:54:09 <Cuongle> LetoThe2nd: I already have a usb-serial device. What shout I config my BB-xM to use it?
May 16 08:54:40 <LetoThe2nd> Cuongle: from a programming point of view, they are identical.
May 16 08:54:55 <LetoThe2nd> Cuongle: you won't need pinmuxing, but besides that its all the same.
May 16 08:59:48 <Cuongle> I plug it to BB-xm, and I check: dmesg | grep tty
May 16 09:00:20 <Cuongle> but I dont see where ttyUSB,
May 16 09:05:23 <LetoThe2nd> then you probably need the dirvers.
May 16 09:05:42 <LetoThe2nd> usually its kmod-usb-serial-something depending on the used chipset
May 16 09:05:51 <LetoThe2nd> should be easy to google.
May 16 09:20:53 <fierman> hello.. the builds on http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ appear to have busybox per default. I would like to use an angstrom build which has gnu utils instead. Apart from building one from scratch myself, are there any other sources for alternative angstrom builds? narcissus appears to not an option, since it delivers broken builds.
May 16 09:21:32 <aholler> ubuntu, debian, gentoo, arch-linux, ..
May 16 09:21:39 <aholler> fedora
May 16 09:22:21 <aholler> or try installing coreutils
May 16 09:22:54 <aholler> usually such just overwrites the symlinks used by busybox
May 16 09:24:37 <fierman> aholler: thanks.
May 16 09:30:26 <aholler> grep and find might be in other packages
May 16 09:31:29 <fierman> on other distros usually it will give dependency conflicts trying to overwrite any busybox aliases, but I will try
May 16 09:31:36 <fierman> debian sounds like a solid option too though
May 16 09:32:53 <aholler> using the kernel from angstrom is usually a good idea. Normally it has patches applied the other ones don't have
May 16 09:35:21 <fierman> it works without problems on a debian rootfs, right ? are there any more recent angstrom kernels available besides the 3.0.28 I could find ?
May 16 09:37:06 <aholler> https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/branches
May 16 09:37:19 <fierman> aholler: thank you :)
May 16 09:38:01 <koen> narcissus works fine over here
May 16 09:38:36 <aholler> fierman: but mainline 3.2.x works without problems here, just keep away from 3.3.x
May 16 09:39:27 <Guest74913> Hi all, while configurint kermit, with set line /dev/ttyUSB0, i am getting this error Sorry, write access to UUCP lockfile directory denied., how to get kermit without UUCP?
May 16 09:43:53 <fierman> aholler: thanks for the advice. koen: tried quite a few config builds for beagleboard on narcissus, at least the SLP provided with any build is an older incompatoble one, And any eglibc build panics during boot. Did not log, if needed/wished for I would be happy to do that.
May 16 09:45:11 <fierman> Guest74913: on bb ?
May 16 09:45:31 <Guest74913> yes beagle board..
May 16 09:47:47 <av500> no, not on bb, on his PC
May 16 09:48:15 <Guest74913> ok sorry it's on my pc, i ran the command kermit, and trying to set the parameters,
May 16 09:49:08 <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=kermit+uucp
May 16 09:50:24 <fierman> Guest74913: probably a permission problem. try running it as root, or use a program which makes life easy for you. (minicom for instance, which is easy to configure)
May 16 09:50:44 <aholler> not for him
May 16 09:51:36 <Guest74913> in the serial boot i am doing, i think i need kermit to transfer uImage from host pc to board
May 16 09:51:53 <av500> true
May 16 09:52:02 <LetoThe2nd> well he's NTD.
May 16 09:53:00 <aholler> who knows, maybe it's a whole group
May 16 09:53:18 <LetoThe2nd> a NTDG?
May 16 09:53:30 <LetoThe2nd> is that something like NTFS?
May 16 09:58:07 * av500 ponders installing a blocker for kickstarter links
May 16 09:59:57 <LetoThe2nd> av500: at the moment creating a kickstarter project to fund the development of the kickstarter link filter?
May 16 10:00:06 <av500> totally!
May 16 10:00:30 <LetoThe2nd> *strike*
May 16 11:00:43 <Guest74913> when i run connect from kermit, does minicom need to be running at u-boot prompt?
May 16 11:00:56 <av500> no
May 16 11:01:30 <Guest74913> with kermit, no need of minicom at all right?
May 16 11:01:45 <av500> I urge you again to read
May 16 11:01:59 <av500> from the link YOU gave:
May 16 11:02:06 <av500> "U-Boot starts automatically, so you should pack all these commands into a shell script (including configuration of the serial line!) that starts a terminal program immediately as the last step, or you will miss the first messages from U-Boot."
May 16 11:12:57 <Guest74913> these are infact confusing for me..yes i see u-boot prompt, if i open minicom after loading s-loader and u-boot.bin, i am confused whether i need minicom now as the link is getting established with kermit
May 16 11:21:46 <av500> minicom and kermit both use the serial port
May 16 11:43:03 <aholler> "The beauty of Out Bound Learning (OBL) programme is, that it provides a real time experiential learning through doing rather than understanding" ;)
May 16 11:43:10 <mianos> still not startable with ubuntu and  with 3.2.17-psp10
May 16 11:47:00 <av500> ...The euphoria of bonhomie and free mixing-up started building up right through the bus journey by singing and dancing....
May 16 12:12:03 <Guest7207> av500, sorry internet went down..i did not need to establish link using kermit to sent u-boot.bin right? why is the required for sending uImage?
May 16 12:16:11 <Alcaudete-AGO> hi, I'm going to use a RTC (DS1340 version 3.3V of ds1307), but I don't find the driver of this IC, anybody know where I can looking for information about install driver of this
May 16 12:16:15 <Alcaudete-AGO> kind
May 16 12:16:49 <aholler> won't get easy, you would have to modify the kernel
May 16 12:18:29 <av500> linux/drivers/rtc/rtc-ds13*
May 16 12:18:35 <av500> add rtc-ds1340
May 16 12:20:30 <aholler> i2c is not hotplug, so you have to create a platform-device
May 16 12:21:19 <av500> aholler: one cannot write a module that upon load does i2c?
May 16 12:21:41 <aholler> one can, but why, the driver already exists
May 16 12:22:26 <av500> for the fun of it
May 16 12:23:17 <aholler> /dev/mem or /sys/foo is for the fun ;)
May 16 12:25:00 <aholler> maybe it will work with dt
May 16 12:25:24 <av500> everything will work with DT
May 16 12:31:48 <jannau> echo rtc-ds1340 0xXX > /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-X/new_device
May 16 12:32:04 <jannau> should work as long as the device needs no platform daat
May 16 12:35:32 <mdp> aholler, your lack of faith disturbs me
May 16 12:37:55 <koen> mdp: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/commit/8248c5d0020e6a93fa328a2221ade620d5882a97
May 16 12:38:07 <aholler> mdp: faith in what?
May 16 12:38:14 <koen> dt
May 16 12:39:07 <aholler> I'm a fan of DT, but we are talking about omap-kernels ;)
May 16 12:39:41 <aholler> s/omap/0map/
May 16 12:40:02 <mdp> koen, he's somehow out of date then :)
May 16 12:40:48 <mdp> koen, eventually I'll put mine back together and verify on your latest
May 16 12:40:59 <mdp> koen, there's just too many trees :)
May 16 12:41:07 * mru thinks device trees will be great for hangings
May 16 12:41:54 <mdp> I use them to bandage wounds in first aid situations among other things
May 16 12:42:57 <mru> I guess they could be used for splints for broken bones
May 16 12:43:32 <mdp> need to define a binding for that one, but yes
May 16 12:43:58 <koen> mdp: I just cherry-picked that from your tree
May 16 12:44:10 <mdp> okie dokie
May 16 12:45:44 <koen> mdp: so compared to your github it's only missing fbconsole and pdata
May 16 12:45:58 <mdp> koen, I considered telling paularmitt that DT would fix his need to hack up the board file…but I fear it would only amuse me
May 16 12:46:19 <mdp> koen, good, we are set then
May 16 12:46:32 <stuk_gen> hi all :) after some days i've try to build qt embedded package with plugin for powervr, now the package on openembedded can't build powervrplugin because need some patches. I have done manually the patches on the source code but every times i rebuild openembedded rebuild the packages so i lost the patches and i have to repaches
May 16 12:46:51 <stuk_gen> so the question is how can i add this patches?
May 16 12:47:00 <stuk_gen> correctly*
May 16 12:47:02 <mdp> koen, I'll have another patch after I massage mranostay's hack to support the other "tab version" of those displays
May 16 12:47:57 <koen> stuk_gen: go to the angstrom website, read the news articles, especially the ones mentioning "workflow"
May 16 12:48:23 <mdp> koen, no way to autodetect as I mentioned, but at least people can set the display type pdata field if they remember what color protective overlay was on the part when it arrived
May 16 12:48:48 <mdp> koen, or flip a coin and try each of two types successively
May 16 12:48:59 <koen> I see
May 16 12:49:10 <koen> removing that overlay is the first thing I do :)
May 16 12:49:47 <mdp> koen, this is one of the failings of adafruit's stuff…they don't bother to design for any runtime detection
May 16 12:51:41 <koen> yeah
May 16 12:52:25 <mdp> a cape wrapper fixes that though
May 16 12:52:57 <mdp> put the display variant the the eeprom...
May 16 12:54:35 <mdp> koen, I was looking a some female header and thinking to throw that on one of my protocapes to make a pluggable one for the different displays
May 16 13:04:33 <Crofton|work> koen, you need to setup something so people can intereact with you via the bone
May 16 13:04:46 <Crofton|work> possibly some form of electroshock device :)
May 16 14:04:51 <ka6sox-away> Bzzzt
May 16 14:08:01 <k4rtik> how to flash starterware on beaglebone using linux?
May 16 14:08:12 <k4rtik> the instructions on the wiki just mention a windows utility
May 16 14:15:54 <k4rtik> ok, another one - when I connect bone to my system using USB with an empty SD card, is the card supposed to automount as /dev/sdX ?
May 16 14:16:28 <k4rtik> I am a complete newbie with hardware hacking, just got a beaglebone yesterday
May 16 14:21:33 <av500> no
May 16 14:21:42 <av500> the card wont automount via usb
May 16 14:24:04 <k4rtik> av500: thanks, and any pointers about my previous question?
May 16 14:24:42 <av500> I know nothing about starterware
May 16 14:24:52 <k4rtik> okay
May 16 14:25:18 <k4rtik> well, currently I have an empty sd card, can you give me a pointer on how to start with the bone
May 16 14:25:48 <k4rtik> this page http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335X_StarterWare_Booting_And_Flashing#Booting_Via_SD_Card says I need windows to flash
May 16 14:26:22 <Alcaudete-Satel> I try to use Narcisuss to make a image for BeagleBone, is it possible?, I can't select BeagleBone in Narcisuss.
May 16 14:27:04 <av500> k4rtik: no sd card that came with the bone?
May 16 14:27:51 <av500> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone#Image_Files
May 16 14:27:59 <Alcaudete-Satel> yes, but I need made a custom image with some additional drivers
May 16 14:28:11 <av500> I understand that narcissus is "in flux"
May 16 14:28:18 <av500> aka koen broke it
May 16 14:28:18 <k4rtik> I sourced it from TI office here, they didn't give any sdcard
May 16 14:28:26 <av500> k4rtik: then use the link
May 16 14:28:58 <k4rtik> doing :)
May 16 14:29:39 <koen> Alcaudete-Satel: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.angstrom.devel/6446
May 16 14:31:43 <av500> koen: what exactly does "beagleboard and beagleboard" mean? does that include the beagleboard too?
May 16 14:32:56 <koen> av500: only the xM
May 16 14:37:45 <k4rtik> av500: when i connect bone via usb to my pc, how to get UART terminal, I am trying to figure out how to use minicom
May 16 14:38:06 <av500> its all explained
May 16 14:38:11 <av500> I wont retype it all here
May 16 14:40:21 <k4rtik> av500: ok somehow I managed to connect to ttyUSB0, and on resetting it showed me Starterware Bootloader, but then it's looping continuosly on "acquiring ip address" and "network connection failed"
May 16 14:40:30 <k4rtik> av500: could you give me the link where?
May 16 14:41:35 <av500> [16:24:44] <av500> I know nothing about starterware
May 16 14:43:04 <k4rtik> av500: right, i get it, thanks for your help, I will try to figure out things myself
May 16 14:48:48 <sp00k> is http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/ down?
May 16 14:49:03 <koen> yes, new disk is being added
May 16 14:49:07 <koen> fsck...
May 16 14:49:15 <sp00k> roger that
May 16 14:55:34 <Crofton|work> where is feeds?
May 16 14:55:41 * Crofton|work knows he should know :)
May 16 14:58:00 <koen> Crofton|work: emerald
May 16 14:58:06 <Crofton|work> k
May 16 15:19:58 <k4rtik> anybody who has used starterware here
May 16 15:48:24 <sp00k> in openembedded: how can I choose between glibc and eglibc?
May 16 16:02:21 <Lysandros> oh, neat
May 16 16:04:38 <koen> sp00k: no need to choose
May 16 16:04:42 <koen> sp00k: glibc is dead
May 16 16:05:11 <Lysandros> I have a question, I can't open acrobat right now to see the mechanical diagramas without rebooting (lazy, I know, but I have some other stuff running) and from the pictures I can't see very well, but the ethernet connector of the "beaglebone" seems to collide with the imaginary line set by the 2.54mm connectors, is that right?
May 16 16:05:17 <Lysandros> diagrams*
May 16 16:05:36 <koen> Lysandros: correct
May 16 16:05:54 <koen> well
May 16 16:05:59 * koen eyeballs it
May 16 16:06:02 <koen> looks that way
May 16 16:06:27 <Lysandros> hmm pity
May 16 16:06:40 <Lysandros> I'm thinking of getting one but that might annoy me a bit
May 16 16:07:33 <sp00k> koen: thx
May 16 16:09:45 * prpplague throws old lvds chips at koen as if they were ninja throwing stars
May 16 16:10:10 <koen> ouch
May 16 16:12:42 <Lysandros> meh, I found this http://www.adafruit.com/images/medium/boneproto_MED.jpg
May 16 16:12:46 <Lysandros> as I feared :|
May 16 16:13:04 <Lysandros> can't say that was well thought
May 16 16:16:05 <mdp> Lysandros: you wanted a straight edge, huh?
May 16 16:16:27 <Lysandros> yeah :)
May 16 16:16:52 <Lysandros> well, it's not a problem, just a small nuisance ;)
May 16 16:17:30 <prpplague> aholler: was it you i was talking to about the ds1307 the other day
May 16 16:17:33 <prpplague> aholler: ?
May 16 16:17:43 <aholler> no
May 16 16:17:45 <mdp> Lysandros: cape pcbs look arguably cooler with the nifty rj45 cutout
May 16 16:17:58 <aholler> prpplague: oh, yes
May 16 16:18:18 <Lysandros> haha yeah
May 16 16:18:28 <aholler> prpplague: sorry, just though about ds* as a person
May 16 16:18:55 <mdp> Lysandros: flyingbone protocape even makes use of that extra space unlike the adafruit one :)
May 16 16:19:27 <av500> aholler: ds1307 is ds2 with a LOT of NAND
May 16 16:19:36 <prpplague> aholler: you mentioned using a nxp gpio iirc, what was the model number you had mentioned?
May 16 16:19:48 <av500> prpplague: btw, you LVDS is stuck in custom here
May 16 16:20:05 <av500> since there was no "proper" invoice with it
May 16 16:20:23 <av500> so I won a trip to the local customs office
May 16 16:20:38 <aholler> he vanished
May 16 16:20:53 <av500> [18:19:50] <av500> prpplague: btw, your LVDS is stuck in custom here
May 16 16:20:57 <prpplague> argh
May 16 16:20:58 <av500> [18:20:07] <av500> since there was no "proper" invoice with it
May 16 16:20:59 <prpplague> ti proxy issues :(
May 16 16:21:00 <av500> [18:20:25] <av500> so I won a trip to the local customs office
May 16 16:21:01 <prpplague> aholler: you mentioned using a nxp gpio iirc, what was the model number you had mentioned?
May 16 16:21:20 <aholler> prpplague: maybe it wasn't me, I don't know what you mean with nxp gpio
May 16 16:21:27 <prpplague> av500: well as it wasn't sold, there wasn't an invoice
May 16 16:21:33 <av500> i know
May 16 16:21:41 <prpplague> aholler: i2c gpio expander
May 16 16:21:49 <aholler> a, pcf
May 16 16:21:55 <prpplague> yea
May 16 16:22:02 <av500> prpplague: I have to go there and then they will open the box and look inside
May 16 16:22:03 <aholler> they all start with pcf ;)
May 16 16:22:27 <av500> and then they roll the dice to determine the tax :)
May 16 16:22:38 <mdp> 7 out
May 16 16:23:04 <prpplague> aholler: yea, someone mentioned it
May 16 16:23:13 <prpplague> aholler: and i can't seem to find the model
May 16 16:23:24 <prpplague> i normally use the tca64xx series
May 16 16:23:35 <prpplague> hmm
May 16 16:23:45 * prpplague wonders where the #beagle irc logs are
May 16 16:24:18 <av500> [Fri Apr 13 2012] [17:17:08] <aholler>  XorA: pcf8574
May 16 16:24:24 <av500> [Fri Apr 27 2012] [00:11:34] <aholler>  ds2: that pcf8563 is usable with 1.8v
May 16 16:24:28 <mdp> prpplague: the answer is almost obvious even
May 16 16:24:43 <mdp> prpplague: http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/
May 16 16:24:56 <av500> [Mon May 14 2012] [21:23:51] <aholler>  i will get a pcf8536 next time ;)
May 16 16:25:06 <fierman> been using this method for squeeze netinstall: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Debian_NetInstall . after finishing initial installation, machine reboots. and i get kicked back into installer script. how do i get the bb to go to the correct runlevel ?
May 16 16:28:04 <prpplague> mdp: yea found it on the chat url listed
May 16 16:28:11 <prpplague> av500: thanks
May 16 16:28:14 <rcn-ee> fierman, that's a big failure, can you email me all the log files in /backup/ (hopefully they are their)
May 16 16:28:31 <fierman> rcn-ee: will do.
May 16 16:29:35 <prpplague> av500: ahh ok, so it wasn't a gpio expander
May 16 16:29:35 <av500> prpplague: since these logs have no search, google is as good
May 16 16:29:52 <mdp> almost
May 16 16:29:53 <prpplague> av500: yea i found it about 2 seconds after you posted
May 16 16:30:06 <mdp> av500, I had google fail to find a couple things…had to manually search
May 16 16:30:19 <av500> mdp: the rleft sock?
May 16 16:30:21 <av500> mdp: the left sock?
May 16 16:30:26 * prpplague looks for a good price on tca6408
May 16 16:30:31 <mdp> I will try baidu or bing next time
May 16 16:30:45 <fierman> rcn-ee: no /backup it seems. would syslog do ?
May 16 16:31:46 <rcn-ee> goes looks to see what i called it, there should be a back/backup folder in the rootfs with syslog and a bunch of files..
May 16 16:32:36 <fierman> rcn-ee: i have a /var/backups/* , as well as a /var/log/installer/*
May 16 16:33:00 <rcn-ee> look on the fat16 partition (with zImage) there should be a /backup directory..
May 16 16:33:23 <rcn-ee> during the netinstall, i dump a few debugging things in there..
May 16 16:34:20 <fierman> rcn-ee: i see. no logs there. just MLO, normal.txt (a uEnv file) and u-boot.img
May 16 16:34:36 <DarthExpeditor> Good to see a healthy community for this product!
May 16 16:35:10 <DarthExpeditor> I am looking to build a very light-weight, non-mission critical, LAMP device.
May 16 16:35:18 <rcn-ee> fierman, crap, i'll try to replicate it this morning, what board, and what command did you issue to mk_mmc.sh
May 16 16:35:20 <DarthExpeditor> Which board would you recommend?
May 16 16:36:26 <fierman> rcn-ee: beagleboard xm , used mk_mmc.sh --mmc /dev/mmcblk0 --uboot "beagle_xm" --distro squeeze --firmware --serial-mode
May 16 16:36:37 <fierman> rcn-ee: thanks so far :)
May 16 16:38:47 <fierman> DarthExpeditor: my guess is the xm is perfect for that :)
May 16 16:39:25 <fierman> i chose it for its relatively low power consumption, while being relatively powerful
May 16 16:39:33 <aholler> depends on the storage requirements
May 16 16:39:47 <aholler> and network
May 16 16:40:11 <aholler> lamp  usually means storage<->network
May 16 16:41:49 <rcn-ee> fierman, card and install startd, i have a fast debian mirror, so the full install won't take that long..
May 16 16:42:00 <fierman> rcn-ee: you want me to mail, or is the info i gavce you sufficient? and if so, would you like me to preserve /var/* on rootfs ?
May 16 16:42:05 <fierman> ahh
May 16 16:42:15 <fierman> thnx :) that's fast. i'll have a smoke meanwhile then
May 16 16:45:43 <Jaen-beagle> I have a BeagleBone, how can I install a driver on Angstrom, I'll try to install DS1307 (RTC), Angstrom has this driver in but I can't install it, there's a error
May 16 16:46:57 <Jaen-beagle> I think, I'll have to build a custom kernel, is it true?
May 16 16:50:29 <av500> what error?
May 16 16:51:04 <Jaen-beagle> root@beaglebone:/home# opkg install kernel-module-rtc-ds1307_3.2.16-rboard.ipk eb Unknown package 'kernel-module-rtc-ds1307'. Collected errors:  * pkg_hash_fetch_best_installation_candidate: Packages for kernel-module-rtc-ds1307 found, but incompatible with the architectures configured  * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package kernel-module-rtc-ds1307.
May 16 16:51:46 <Jaen-beagle> Packages for kernel-module-rtc-ds1307 found, but incompatible with the architectures configured
May 16 16:52:10 <dfrey> My BeagleBone is in the mail right now.  I bought it because I want to use it to automate the (dis)connecting of USB devices for automated testing purposes.  I don't really know anything about circuit design.  Is this a good place to get advice about designing the circuit?  I was thinking that a single GPIO could be used to either open or close a set of 4 relays corresponding to the 4 wires in a USB cable.
May 16 16:52:12 <dfrey> Is this a good approach?
May 16 16:54:30 <Jaen-beagle> Anybody could say what's is the better way to build a custom kernel with the drivers that I need...
May 16 16:55:04 <aholler> dfrey: that isn't how usb works and is connected
May 16 16:58:31 <av500> aholler: still you could do it like that
May 16 16:58:45 <av500> 4 relays is equivalent to plugging the cable
May 16 16:59:36 <aholler> ah, I misunderstood it. I though he wants to know the state of the 4 cables
May 16 16:59:51 <koen> bone != board
May 16 17:00:00 <av500> the bone is not a board?
May 16 17:00:33 <koen> it's magic!
May 16 17:04:01 <aholler> it has two m(agic)usb ;)
May 16 17:04:02 <dfrey> aholler, av500: To be clear, I don't care to intercept any of the traffic, I just want to simulate plugging in and unplugging the USB cable
May 16 17:04:55 <av500> yes
May 16 17:05:26 <dfrey> So does what I described sound like the best approach given what I am trying to achieve?
May 16 17:05:35 <aholler> no ;)
May 16 17:06:53 <aholler> if you just need to switch 4 relays there are much easier ways than to use a bone.
May 16 17:07:39 <dfrey> aholler: The BeagleBone allows me to put a nice interface on top of the low-level control
May 16 17:08:16 <dfrey> control the connection of the USB ports over the network etc.
May 16 17:09:24 <av500> dfrey: http://www.reichelt.de/Messen-steuern-regeln/LAN-NETIO230B-SI/3//index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=5240&ARTICLE=102254&SHOW=1&START=0&OFFSET=16&
May 16 17:09:46 <av500> add one 4-pole 220V relay and you are done
May 16 17:09:55 <av500> you can even control 4 of them
May 16 17:11:31 <TheAlphaNerd> has anyone done work with gps sensors and the beagle?
May 16 17:12:03 <aholler> get a bt-one, install gpsd, done
May 16 17:12:35 * djlewis plugged in a usb gps receiver and it worked, a delorne
May 16 17:12:49 <djlewis> NEMA mode
May 16 17:13:00 <av500> NMEA even
May 16 17:13:07 <djlewis> yea
May 16 17:13:14 <av500> AMEN
May 16 17:13:25 <aholler> please don't say that word
May 16 17:13:33 <av500> is it MEAN?
May 16 17:13:42 <arcanescu> Raw data is more fun
May 16 17:14:00 <aholler> they closed my street because of that catholic-days :/
May 16 17:14:07 <av500> random data is even more fun
May 16 17:14:19 <arcanescu> naaa...... i meant GPS RAW dat
May 16 17:14:21 <av500> aholler: so, it's your street, I dont care
May 16 17:14:21 <arcanescu> *a
May 16 17:16:48 <aholler> I wonder if my package from watterott will get delivered
May 16 17:16:56 <av500> no, it will be blessed
May 16 17:16:59 <av500> and sent back
May 16 17:17:37 <aholler> hmm, the stuff inside wouldn't like the holy water
May 16 17:17:41 <djlewis> seems there are postal workers that take to our little projects
May 16 17:20:14 <aholler> dfrey: the gpios have 1.8v and can drive only little power. So just normal relays won't work without anything inbetween
May 16 17:21:25 <rcn-ee> fierman, it just completed succesfully.. i know this is ubuntu : https://github.com/RobertCNelson/netinstall/blob/master/test.Ubuntu ( i need to write one for debian) but did you diverge too much from that?
May 16 17:24:55 <fierman> rcn-ee: apart from the serial, firmware and beagle_xm option (and being it squeeze) in the prepare script, installation went just like that
May 16 17:25:18 <fierman> the only metapackage i selected was ssh server
May 16 17:26:04 <rcn-ee> and that package shouldn't cause it..
May 16 17:26:41 <fierman> it's just like installation did not complete fully. /etc/ is missing init.rd for instance. a
May 16 17:26:49 <fierman> and some more small oddities
May 16 17:27:30 <rcn-ee> humm, it's like debootstrap just errored out then, but you'd be prompted with a big warning somethign went wrong screen.
May 16 17:27:51 <rcn-ee> it shouldn't just autoreboot, with that error..
May 16 17:28:02 <fierman> the only warnings I git were the ones which were documented (no kernel modules, etc)
May 16 17:28:10 <fierman> pardon my typing
May 16 17:28:33 <rcn-ee> yeap, and i wish i could hide that one.. <yes> is the only option that allows you to continue install..
May 16 17:28:39 <fierman> and installation finished like any debian installation should finish
May 16 17:29:01 <fierman> (normally i would remove boot medium after install of course)
May 16 17:29:42 <rcn-ee> do you remember if anything came after the "bootloader" screen, the next script that runs, set's up the new custom kernel and tweaks the scripts for normal boot..
May 16 17:30:18 <rcn-ee> it usually say's "rcn-ee-finish-installing-device"..
May 16 17:30:24 <fierman> the finish-install.sh ?
May 16 17:30:56 <rcn-ee> that get's called by the other one, but it's not noted in the serial prompt that it's running..
May 16 17:31:33 <rcn-ee> it takes awhile to extract the kernel deb package, so "running rcn-ee-finish-installing-device" stays on the screen for a good minute or two..
May 16 17:31:36 <fierman> to answer your question: i can not renmember that
May 16 17:31:42 <fierman> ok
May 16 17:31:59 <rcn-ee> and that just happens to be the hardest part to debug to. ;)
May 16 17:32:03 <fierman> i am sure i did not see that then, i was observing the last few minutes of installation process
May 16 17:32:39 <fierman> or at leats. 95% sure
May 16 17:33:08 <fierman> there is no way starting that manually i guesS? unless set up the whole fs in a chroot environment ?
May 16 17:35:10 <rcn-ee> there is, it requires a little bit of tweaking/editing of the uEnv.txt file..
May 16 17:35:25 <djlewis> I also used a gps module that spit out NMEA and it was fine
May 16 17:37:31 <fierman> rcn-ee: 'a bit' , or would (for me) a reinstall on for instance ubuntu be a better idea ?
May 16 17:37:40 <fierman> %s/on/with
May 16 17:38:44 <rcn-ee> fierman, basicly compare uEnv.txt with /backup/normal.txt, add the file system type and partition location (as the last script in the install was suppost to set those) and remove the initrd.img call, as that didn't get generated either..
May 16 17:39:30 <fierman> rcn-ee: sounds like a doddle :) thanks
May 16 17:40:10 <rcn-ee> that's what's nice when it works, so many small details..
May 16 17:41:36 <fierman> rcn-ee: thanks a lot again for the help.
May 16 17:49:48 <koen> jkridner_: can I put a function in a json file and call it?
May 16 17:50:05 <koen> jkridner_: usecase: different sensors need different read and parse methods
May 16 18:01:08 <aholler> no
May 16 18:01:32 <aholler> or not without some work.
May 16 18:01:39 <aholler> json is just a hash
May 16 18:02:23 <aholler> (in perl speak)
May 16 18:03:34 <aholler> it contains key-value pairs or arrays, nothing else
May 16 18:05:24 <aholler> so would need to serialize a function for putting it into a string or such.
May 16 18:33:20 <DarthExpeditor> Sorry guys. My machine crashed before I got to see the answer. I am looking to built a lightweight, low cost, non-mission critical LAMP device. Any advice on what to use?
May 16 18:42:26 <smplman> DarthExpeditor: any of the beagles can handle that
May 16 18:43:47 <serekson> in openembedded how to I build the rootfs without buiding an image?
May 16 18:48:58 <koen> jkridner_: all scary message for the kernel removed :)
May 16 18:49:18 <koen> jkridner_: only needs to patch musb to be less chatty about endpoints
May 16 18:49:29 <koen> jkridner_: and maybe silence cpsw
May 16 18:51:43 <prpplague> koen: add printk for "resistance is futile"
May 16 18:56:19 * _av500_ wonders when json will be merged into systemd
May 16 18:56:47 <prpplague> koen: hehe, you should see the emails i got after that post about no animal lvds board for bone, hehe
May 16 18:59:43 <_av500_> post where?
May 16 19:02:36 <ynezz> bone isn't animal, so no wonders
May 16 19:03:55 <_av500_> should have called it poodleboard
May 16 19:04:17 <fierman> i still have my zaurus 5600 around
May 16 19:04:18 <djlewis> yeah, beaglebone implies to me it is an accessory to beagleboard
May 16 19:04:38 <_av500_> fierman: same here
May 16 19:05:09 <fierman> winder how angstrom would run on it.. used it pretty heavily with openzaurus back then
May 16 19:06:48 <fierman> heh.. 10 years ago already
May 16 19:11:44 <koen> djlewis: that was the idea
May 16 19:12:50 <fierman> (and reading through irclogs, turns out i wa using zaurus for a similar project as i am using bb for now.. guess i havent grown up in the 21st century)
May 16 19:14:50 <fierman> only real difference is that i get paid for it now i guess
May 16 19:26:30 <koen> av500: http://pastebin.com/931Spy5i
May 16 19:34:04 <_av500_> koen: beautiful
May 16 19:34:24 <koen> _av500_: your json wish was granted :)
May 16 19:34:50 <mru> wtf is that?
May 16 19:35:29 <koen> the json output mode for the systemd logger
May 16 19:35:30 <_av500_> mru: it's the future
May 16 19:35:36 * mru loses all hope
May 16 19:35:54 <koen> I knew you would like it :)
May 16 19:36:04 * koen trolls like a pro
May 16 19:36:55 <_av500_> mru: you and your Amish way of computing are over
May 16 19:37:22 <ds2> hahahhaahahah
May 16 19:38:00 <jgalt> trying to use the angstrom on the bone with a usb sd card adapter to create a debian image using directions at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian.  Having trouble installing (or even finding) the needed dependencies in angstrom.  where can I find the dependencies I need such as: pv, mkimage, mkfs.vfat, and mkfs.btrfs
May 16 19:40:39 <fierman> jgalt: the idea is you perform the preparation not native, but on your 'normal' system running linux
May 16 19:42:57 <jgalt> fierman: I don't have a 'normal' system running linux atm, nor a means to write a bootable cd live distro.  it was suggested to use the bone itself with a usb sd card adapter
May 16 19:44:25 <rcn-ee> jgalt, doesn't the opkg update, opkg install <pkg> work?
May 16 19:45:58 <jgalt> rcn-ee: posted to beagleboard list earlier with specifics.  the needed packages seem to not be in the repo
May 16 19:46:49 <jgalt> sec, I can put the info on pastebin
May 16 19:47:03 <rcn-ee> jgalt, found it...
May 16 19:47:22 <rcn-ee> they may be named slightly different.. (fedora pkg names don't always jive with debian.)
May 16 19:48:21 <rcn-ee> uboot-mkimage is: u-boot-mkimage, try that one..
May 16 19:49:44 <aholler> json is amish, no comments
May 16 19:49:52 <jgalt> rcn-ee: answer there as well if you would, that way everyone benefits... or I'll post what actually works.  maybe also post the right incantations in the script itself at some point.
May 16 19:50:56 <rcn-ee> weird, not sure what's going on it with, dosfstools is a valid package...  i don't know enought of opkg to help out in that thread..
May 16 19:51:06 <aholler> "where are the comments" was the first I've asked when I had to get in contact with json
May 16 19:53:19 <jgalt> rcn-ee: http://pastebin.com/DYHCWmVS
May 16 19:54:31 <fierman> jgalt: did you try the find option in opkg ?
May 16 19:54:43 <fierman> maybe that would help somewhat in finding a few
May 16 19:54:52 <fierman> err.. list
May 16 19:55:06 <fierman> opkg list | grep mk | grep fs
May 16 19:56:02 <jgalt> fierman: didn't know opkg had that option, will try and report result
May 16 20:16:37 <jgalt> this is interesting, opkg update cant find everything... http://pastebin.com/SsZmpJc8
May 16 20:19:39 <mranostay> mru: what is hope?
May 16 20:20:08 <mru> mranostay: extinct
May 16 21:03:46 <jgalt> fierman: tried opkg list | grep mk | gerp fs, found util-linux-mkfs.... but opkg install can't find it.
May 16 21:06:57 <fierman> jgalt: opkg install util-linux-mkfs fails ?
May 16 21:09:01 <jgalt> yes see pastebin above and also...
May 16 21:09:54 <fierman> i saw the failure in getting all package lists. and i see they really aren;t there. dunno what;s up actually :)
May 16 21:10:21 <jgalt> http://pastebin.com/2F8egAQd
May 16 21:11:08 <fierman> ah.. i see. sorry, i can;t help that
May 16 21:11:34 <fierman> i hjave no idea on how the angstrom repos work
May 16 21:13:29 <jgalt> fierman: so any idea where to find the needed dependencies?
May 16 21:15:29 <fierman> jgalt: i think you won;t find that specific package elsewhere.
May 16 21:15:38 <fierman> maybe its an idea trying the opkg update again tomorrow
May 16 21:16:00 <fierman> there was some work on the main repo today i understood, but not sure
May 16 21:16:56 <jgalt> fierman: yea, also need pv....
May 16 21:17:29 <fierman> i really think the best option would be to try to prepare the sd card on another platform for now
May 16 21:17:41 <fierman> mighty frustrating i admit :)
May 16 21:17:52 <fierman> dunno, but maybe it works under cygwin
May 16 21:18:44 <fierman> no idea if you can have direct access to mmc devices under cygwin in windows though
May 16 21:19:55 <jgalt> yea, Just gotta find one, yea - damn frustrating... and darn it, bet I'll be able to follow the directions to create the card under debian once I get the card created! lol!
May 16 21:21:12 <fierman> perseverance i guess
May 16 21:25:56 <DarthExpeditor> I'm looking to build a Linux Apache MySQL PHP server on an embedded device. Do you have a recommendation for which device to use?
May 16 21:27:58 <rcn-ee> DarthExpeditor, well the Beagle xM and Bone have a built in eth phy, so that leaves out the original Beagle...
May 16 22:02:36 <DarthExpeditor> OK, what do I need to get started with development on a beagle board? I am used to Ardunio boards and development.
May 16 22:02:51 <DarthExpeditor> What types of cables, IDE, etc?
May 16 22:05:18 <rcn-ee> Well, based on your previous requirements, a eth patchcable and 5volt power supply...
May 16 22:10:28 <Tartarus> Anyone with a beaglebone around that can put it into u-boot and run something for me?
May 16 22:10:52 <DarthExpeditor> Do I need a JTAG cable/device?
May 16 22:10:56 <Tartarus> (and I'm looking for someone with a production one, not the oddball ones TIers may have :))
May 16 22:10:58 <jgalt> what needs run n how long?
May 16 22:11:16 <Tartarus> jgalt: Just need you to pop into U-Boot, i2c probe;i2c md 50 0, tell me what it says
May 16 22:12:19 <jgalt> k, so how does one "pop into uboot"? and what do those commands do?
May 16 22:12:36 <Russ> Valid chip addresses: 24 50
May 16 22:12:40 <Russ> 0000: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff    ................
May 16 22:13:07 <Tartarus> Russ, thanks
May 16 22:13:17 <Russ> I'd tell you the rev, but the stupid sticker with the rev doesn't hold its ink
May 16 22:13:35 <jgalt> got it then?
May 16 22:13:45 <Tartarus> Russ, that's fine, I guess production ones have a special eeprom there that i2c md doesn't get the contents for
May 16 22:13:48 <Tartarus> but other code can
May 16 22:13:51 <Tartarus> jgalt: yeah
May 16 22:26:22 <fierman> hrm maybe i understand something completely wrong here. but
May 16 22:26:37 <fierman> are there no free arm crosscompilers ?
May 16 22:27:29 <mru> gcc
May 16 22:27:43 <fierman> heh ok :)
May 16 22:27:47 <mru> clang, after a fashion
May 16 22:27:55 <mru> it's a bit buggy
May 16 22:28:01 <mru> but gcc is fine
May 16 22:28:24 <mru> and you can have TI's arm compiler free of charge if you know the url
May 16 22:28:29 * mru knows the url
May 16 22:28:53 <ds2> LLVM
May 16 22:28:54 * ds2 ducks
May 16 22:28:56 <fierman> free of charge != free of course :)
May 16 22:28:57 <fierman> but thanks
May 16 22:29:02 <mru> ds2: I said clang already
May 16 22:29:02 <fierman> i'll use gcc
May 16 22:29:10 <mru> and TI's compiler is quite buggy
May 16 22:29:32 <ds2> mru: terminology
May 16 22:29:39 <ds2> use arm's compiler
May 16 22:29:48 <fierman> anyway. building a kernel is fairly trivial then, right
May 16 22:29:57 <mru> ds2: that one has also grown quite a few bugs
May 16 22:30:09 <fierman> get source, make kernel as usual, just set arch to arm
May 16 22:31:35 <ds2> mru: is that due to DS5 influence?
May 16 22:32:06 <mru> no
May 16 22:32:18 <mru> DS5 is just the IDE wrapper
May 16 22:32:39 <ds2> yes but I'd guess there is a team wanting things
May 16 22:34:48 <mru> they've just done a lot of work on the compiler
May 16 22:35:03 <mru> in some cases it produces faster code, in others slower
May 16 22:35:06 <mru> and in some wrong code
May 16 22:35:17 <mru> and of course some cases that were broken before have been fixed
May 16 22:35:18 <ds2> isn't that all the possible outcomes?
May 16 22:35:27 <mru> pretty much
May 16 22:35:58 <mru> but I get the feeling development has become more whack-a-mole like
May 16 22:37:31 <mru> and a lot is of course driven by a Very Large Customer whom I cannot name
May 16 22:37:35 <mru> one or more
May 16 22:38:27 <ds2> kind of like how certain VLC's are driving the S. processor cousins? :)
May 16 22:52:16 <holla2040> I'm having issues with beaglebone A5 board powered via +5V DC Power supply. The output from the NCP349 looks fine but the TPS65217 is shutting down after 2 seconds, LED goes off. USB powered works fine. Anyone seen this?
May 16 22:53:19 <fierman> maybe bad psu
May 16 22:53:24 <djlewis> holla2040: you say +5v But have you actually measured it with a DVM?
May 16 22:54:27 <djlewis> and you didnt mention the current rating of the power supply
May 16 22:55:10 <fiola> \o/  my beaglebone has arrived!
May 16 22:55:26 <djlewis> the fun begins :)
May 16 22:55:46 <fiola> Oh, it's so cute
May 16 22:57:10 <djlewis> too bad there wasnt altoids in the can
May 16 22:58:40 * djlewis is leaving the room ...
May 16 22:59:04 <ds2> not after the beans...
May 16 23:05:37 <holla2040> Sorry, stepped out. I'm running the +5 from a bench supply and I've measured voltages on the board
May 16 23:39:42 <fiola> OK, I've figured it out.  On Linux you have to "eject /dev/sdd" to make the flash filestore disappear and be replaced with "Product: RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget" in /var/log/messages.
May 16 23:39:46 <prpplague> ~lart koen
May 16 23:40:14 <fiola> Hmmm, so that's the "Ethernet over USB".  Wonder how one uses that.
May 16 23:40:36 <fierman> just like any normal interface
May 16 23:40:51 <fiola> Looking for networking interfaces
May 16 23:40:52 <fierman> no difference for theuser
May 16 23:43:40 <fiola> Well no new interface has appeared.  I'll set one up manually somewhere in that 192.168.7.* subnet (/24 I assume), and see if anything responds
May 16 23:43:50 <fierman> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/issues/1
May 16 23:44:01 <fierman> off to sleep here
May 16 23:44:06 <fiola> Cheers, looking
May 16 23:44:11 <fiola> NN :-)
May 16 23:44:23 <jkridner> fiola: the interface should serve up an address via DHCP.
May 16 23:44:48 <fiola> Not using DHCP here, but happy to set all addresses up manually
May 16 23:44:54 <jkridner> oh wait, this is not Angstrom.
May 16 23:45:06 <fiola> Indeed, talking about the host here
May 16 23:45:45 <jkridner> on Angstrom, the board assumes it is 192.168.7.2 and serves up 192.168.7.1 to the host.
May 16 23:46:35 <fierman> (if interface does not come up on linus host, do it manually: ifconfig usb0 up )
May 16 23:46:40 <fierman> and now off for real
May 16 23:46:43 <fiola> Well Angstrom is running since the bone is booted.  I'll set up an interface at .1 and see if it talks to me
May 16 23:46:53 <fiola> NN :-)
May 16 23:47:28 <fiola> This board is seriously cute.  It should say "CUTE" on the box as a bullet point :P
May 16 23:48:28 <mranostay> oh uh jkridner is op
May 16 23:49:03 <jkridner> I keep seeing questions in #beagleboard and #beaglebone, so I'm trying to figure out how to forward users here.
May 16 23:50:01 <fiola> jkridner: Are the 3 channels being coallesced?  I came here only because so little activity on #beaglebone.
May 16 23:50:22 <jkridner> that's the goal.
May 16 23:50:27 <fiola> kk, tnx
May 16 23:50:57 <prpplague> koen: are you gonna make me do a bb recipe for fb-test?
May 16 23:54:12 <XMPPwocky> jkridner: ooh
May 16 23:54:13 <fiola> This isn't going to work just by setting up an IP address in 192.168.7.*/24 .  There has to be a new networking device so you can set up routing to go down the USB-Ethernet transport.
May 16 23:54:45 * fiola reads more
May 16 23:55:32 <jkridner> can someone who is not part of #beaglebone try to join it?
May 16 23:55:43 <jkridner> I tried to setup a forwarding ban.
May 16 23:55:57 <rcn-ee_> * Cannot join #beaglebone (You are banned).
May 16 23:56:05 <jkridner> didn't forward you?
May 16 23:56:15 <rcn-ee_> well i was in #beagle..
May 16 23:56:21 <rcn-ee_> lets try that..
May 16 23:56:46 <rcn-ee_> yeap, redirected to #beagle..
May 16 23:56:52 <fiola> Well done
May 16 23:56:53 <jkridner> sweet!
May 16 23:57:33 <jkridner> k, done the same for #beagleboard
May 16 23:57:46 <fiola> jkridner: Do you want us all to leave #beaglebone now then?  The fewer people there are there, the more the rest will want to leave
May 16 23:58:03 <jkridner> sure.  I'm considering kicking all
May 16 23:58:49 <fiola> Don't want a sore butt, I'll leave by myself :P
May 17 00:04:52 <fiola> Looks like the auto-rejoin is joining them here automatically on kick in the other channels, working well
May 17 00:05:12 <jkridner> :)
May 17 00:06:02 <fiola> Bedtime soon, but think I'm going to have fun with this board.
May 17 00:06:11 <Sgarr> jstearns74: shoot, not sure what to recommend next, that's fixed me up whenever I hit issues importing the compiler module
May 17 00:48:14 <netman87> rude think to do
May 17 00:48:27 <agmlego> What was?
May 17 00:48:45 <netman87> kick
May 17 00:49:13 <agmlego> Oh, one moment.
May 17 00:49:24 <netman87> 02:58:21 <@jkridner> I'm shutting down this channel and forwarding everyone to #beagle
May 17 00:49:31 <scromp> yeah, i'm happy to have just the one
May 17 00:49:44 <scromp> was getting a crick in my back straddling them
May 17 00:49:50 <jkridner> yeah, sorry it seemed rude.
May 17 00:49:57 <agmlego> 19:49:03<@jkridner> I keep seeing questions in #beagleboard and #beaglebone, so I'm trying to figure out how to forward users here.
May 17 00:50:01 <agmlego> 19:50:02< fiola> jkridner: Are the 3 channels being coallesced?  I came here only because so little activity on #beaglebone.
May 17 00:50:03 <jkridner> just didn't know a polite way to do it.
May 17 00:50:04 <agmlego> 19:50:22<@jkridner> that's the goal.
May 17 00:50:43 <jkridner> just wanted to increase your chance of finding answers.
May 17 00:50:56 <jkridner> 180 people vs. 24 or so.
May 17 00:51:08 <jkridner> traffic is not so high in here that we can't keep them unified.
May 17 00:51:17 <jkridner> if traffic gets too high, we can fork.
May 17 00:51:19 <scromp> bravo i say
May 17 00:51:20 <netman87> yeah. i see why u wanted it this way.
May 17 00:51:56 <netman87> just never got kicked without reason... or almost never
May 17 00:52:01 <jkridner> people who try to join the others will automatically come in here, so we shouldn't lose people.
May 17 00:52:31 <jkridner> yeah, sorry.  wasn't personal. :)
May 17 00:52:49 * jkridner is loving Fritzing w/ BeagleBone part.
May 17 00:52:51 <netman87> bot/script doing invite&kick? maybe little delay to kick and topic + channel message about it
May 17 00:52:55 <jkridner> thanks map ^^^^^
May 17 00:52:58 <jkridner> er mdp
May 17 00:53:04 <agmlego> netman87: To be fair, this was not without reason. ;-P
May 17 00:53:05 <netman87> as people arent always reading notice&invite
May 17 00:54:22 <netman87> agmlego: no i didnt see any message saying that i need to leave channel or join to another. also i havent done anything bad on that channel
May 17 00:54:50 <agmlego> No, you were kicked to consolidate channels. Perfectly valid reason.
May 17 00:55:00 <agmlego> Also, well, it is just a kick...that is what autojoin is for.
May 17 00:55:29 <netman87> autojoin is not acceptable
May 17 00:55:42 <netman87> common irc-rules
May 17 00:56:01 <agmlego> ::shurgs::
May 17 00:56:16 <agmlego> Every network I have been part of accepts is as de rigeur.
May 17 00:56:53 <scromp> saying things like "de rigeur", on the other hand...
May 17 00:57:17 <agmlego> scromp: Sorry, I hang out with a lot of linguists.
May 17 00:57:22 <agmlego> Cunning ones, even.
May 17 00:57:24 * agmlego ducks.
May 17 00:57:27 <scromp> I was going to ask that
May 17 00:58:23 <netman87> so when #pandaboard and #beagle are compined to #board
May 17 00:58:26 <netman87> ;D
May 17 00:58:58 <agmlego> I will autojoin #board when kicked from here, if the forwarding ban works.
May 17 00:58:59 <agmlego> ;-P
May 17 00:59:15 * mranostay wonders what jkridner has unleashed
May 17 00:59:29 <agmlego> mranostay: netman87, apparently.
May 17 00:59:37 <agmlego> :-P
May 17 01:00:35 <mranostay> how is channel forwarding not acceptable?
May 17 01:00:56 <agmlego> mranostay: I think the complaint was about the kick.
May 17 01:01:09 <agmlego> mranostay: Apparently, there are still folk in the world not using autojoin.
May 17 01:01:20 <agmlego> So the kick left them out of the loop.
May 17 01:01:38 <mranostay> bah they will get over it
May 17 01:09:53 <CcSsNET> but they didnt
May 17 01:10:01 * CcSsNET runs off
May 17 01:21:07 * fiola gives everyone a cookie and continues admiring the new beaglebone :P
May 17 01:22:05 * agmlego eats the cookie, and steals all the others.
May 17 01:22:10 <agmlego> =^.^=
May 17 01:22:14 <agmlego> Omnomnom.
May 17 01:23:06 <fiola> Have another, I have lots of cookies where that one came from :-)
May 17 01:23:19 <fiola> Don't tell the RIAA how it's done :P
May 17 01:23:34 <agmlego> Heh.
May 17 01:25:50 * ds2 throws scooby snacks around
May 17 01:27:17 * fiola looks up scooby snacks (UK here, don't think we have anything called that)
May 17 01:27:41 * agmlego steals all the Scooby Snacks and eats them too.
May 17 01:27:49 <agmlego> =^.^= Omnomnom.
May 17 01:28:23 <fiola> agmlego sounds hungry :P
May 17 01:29:04 * agmlego might have skipped lunch.
May 17 01:30:09 <fiola> Well I've got a nice earl grey tea.   Sadly no physical cookies
May 17 01:30:22 <mru> try some soylent green crackers
May 17 01:30:31 <mru> is the earl grey hot btw?
May 17 01:30:36 <agmlego> mru: I love Soylent Green!
May 17 01:31:00 <fiola> Very hot.  Iced earl grey tastes funny, oily
May 17 01:31:17 <agmlego> fiola: Some fresh Michigan blueberries, and a splash of bailey's, would make that very attractive indeed.
May 17 01:31:31 <mranostay> er what channel is this?
May 17 01:31:33 <fiola> Oooh, Baileys
May 17 01:31:51 <fiola> Damn it, someone should have warned me this channel is fattening
May 17 01:32:01 * mranostay pokes mru and _av500_ 
May 17 01:32:21 * mru shifts left a few bits
May 17 01:32:22 <agmlego> mranostay: Clearly, the foodies channel.
May 17 01:32:27 <agmlego> As every channel is, actually.
May 17 01:33:04 <fiola> Hey, you have to nibble at things while poking at beagles, or you die.  That's not good for the beagle.
May 17 01:35:26 <fiola> Currently reading the ref man front to back.  I'll sort out how to get the Ethernet-over-USB to work tomorrow after a good sleep
May 17 01:35:44 <mru> same as any usb ethernet
May 17 01:35:55 <mru> which is pretty much the same as any ethernet
May 17 01:37:19 <fiola> I've been doing networking since the late 70's, before Ethernet was invented.  But never used Ethernet-over-USB before, hehe.  Kind of surprised that no interface appeared.  maybe I'm missing a driver in gentoo.
May 17 01:37:40 <mru> beagle xm?
May 17 01:37:55 <ds2> I much rather have USB over ethernet
May 17 01:37:55 <fiola> bone, my new toy.  Just got it this afternoon
May 17 01:38:07 <mru> that's not usb-ethernet
May 17 01:38:16 <mranostay> that is ethernet-ethernet
May 17 01:38:22 <fiola> Absolutely adorable board :-)
May 17 01:38:36 <agmlego> fiola: Yeah, the bone has no USB Ethernet.
May 17 01:38:48 <agmlego> That is just the magnetics for the onboard stack.
May 17 01:39:02 <fiola> agmlego: It seems to, I see it in the message log
May 17 01:39:08 <agmlego> ds2: You can have that too.
May 17 01:39:15 <agmlego> fiola: Seems to what?
May 17 01:39:32 <mru> CONFIG_TI_DAVINCI_EMAC is the kernel config you want
May 17 01:40:24 <fiola> agmlego:  On my Gentoo host, when I plug in the beaglebone, and "eject /dev/sdd", then this appears in messages:    usb 1-3.1.5.2: Product: RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget
May 17 01:41:02 <fiola> Which ties in with what the TI video suggested, Ethernet over USB
May 17 01:41:11 <agmlego> fiola: Interesting.
May 17 01:41:12 <raymohi> fiola: are you talking about the device that appears though the mini-usb connection?
May 17 01:41:24 <fiola> raymohi: yep
May 17 01:41:26 <mru> you can use gadget ethernet over musb, yes
May 17 01:41:50 <mru> that's when the bone appears to a usb host as an ethernet device
May 17 01:42:15 <fiola> I could just plug in the Ethernet into the RJ45 of course.  But I've done that for 3 decades, whereas never done Ethernet over USB, so this is interesting :P
May 17 01:42:34 <mru> I'd stick with the real one
May 17 01:42:38 <fiola> Hehe
May 17 01:43:03 <fiola> mru: probably right.  But always intrigued by something new, it's like a bee to flowers :P
May 17 01:43:18 <mru> by all means play around with it
May 17 01:43:33 <mru> but if you want something reliable, go with the real deal
May 17 01:43:40 * fiola nods
May 17 01:44:09 <fiola> Pretty sure I'm missing a driver, which is why an interface didn't appear automatically.  That's the way I would expect it to work.
May 17 01:44:22 <agmlego> Could be.
May 17 01:47:01 <mru> to use the beagle in ethernet gadget mode, the host should have the cdc_ether driver
May 17 01:47:28 <mru> that's CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER in .config
May 17 01:50:57 <fiola> mru: Aye, I figured it was missing.  I've definitely not configured that in a kernel, only CDC-ACM
May 17 01:51:27 <fiola> Cool, was about to update the kernel anyway.  One for tomorrow
May 17 01:51:47 <mru> if you have module support enabled, you can just build the module
May 17 01:52:28 <fiola> It may indeed be enough, if it shares infrastructure with the CDC framework.  Worth a try
May 17 01:53:24 <mru> I think all you need statically is basic networking support
May 17 01:54:13 <fiola> Come to think of it, my laptop is built with a "throw in the kitchen sink" config, lemme check
May 17 01:54:57 <fiola> Yay, cdc_ether.ko module on laptop :P
May 17 02:55:01 <serekson> so I ran through the kernel workflow on the angstrom homepage but when I compile and deploy my changes uImage does not seem to be updated
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