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May 20 05:53:12 <thoughtfix> The "ooo just got one at Maker Faire" crowd begins.
May 20 06:03:11 <KeatonT> ?
May 20 06:04:49 <KeatonT> ninja blocks seems more like a childs toy
May 20 06:17:44 <nickjohnson> Has anyone had any luck with the DWA-131 USB wifi dongle on Beaglebone?
May 20 06:18:07 <nickjohnson> I can get it to load the firmware if I install it, but 'iwlist scan' never shows any results
May 20 06:29:29 <aholler_> works here
May 20 06:30:26 <nickjohnson> aholler: You're using the same USB device? What build are you using?
May 20 06:30:37 <nickjohnson> And where did you get your firmware file from? (Though in principle it shouldn't matter...)
May 20 06:31:24 <aholler> git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware.git
May 20 06:32:15 <KeatonT> My beagle project is coming along nicely :P
May 20 06:33:11 <nickjohnson> Thanks. Are you using the latest Angstrom beagle build, or something else?
May 20 06:33:22 <aholler> mainline
May 20 06:33:37 <nickjohnson> eg, Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.05-beaglebone-2012.05.09.img.xz?
May 20 06:34:09 <aholler> I'm not using angstrom
May 20 06:34:27 <nickjohnson> What are you using?
May 20 06:35:12 <aholler> busybox, at least where I use that dongle
May 20 06:35:28 <nickjohnson> Busybox is a set of command line tools, not a distro
May 20 06:35:51 <aholler> you don't need a distro to boot a device. a kernel and busybox is enough+
May 20 06:36:00 <nickjohnson> So you built your own?
May 20 06:36:34 <aholler> kernel and busybox? yes I'm able to call two makes ;)
May 20 06:36:55 <nickjohnson> If only it were that simple - you still need to build the image, etc
May 20 06:37:06 <nickjohnson> I'd rather use a distro, if I can ever find one that works with this card :/
May 20 06:37:34 <aholler> that dongle works here since about a year
May 20 06:37:54 <nickjohnson> Knowing that doesn't really help me, because it definitely doesn't work here :/
May 20 06:41:56 <nickjohnson> Though I did just finally get it running on an Ubuntu install on the 'bone
May 20 06:44:26 <KeatonT> What's going on?
May 20 06:54:16 <nickjohnson> Also, anyone know why "/sys/devices/platform/tsc" (for analog in) doesn't show up on newer kernels
May 20 06:54:17 <nickjohnson> ?
May 20 06:55:58 <KeatonT> what is it?
May 20 06:56:07 <KeatonT> maybe it has moved.
May 20 06:58:02 <nickjohnson> It's supposed to be the sysfs location you can read the analog inputs from
May 20 06:58:13 <nickjohnson> But it wasn't present on the copy of angstrom I had installed, nor does this ubuntu build have it
May 20 06:59:11 <KeatonT> it's under /sys/devices/platform/tsc
May 20 06:59:22 <KeatonT> wait
May 20 06:59:25 <KeatonT> nvm
May 20 06:59:26 <nickjohnson> ...
May 20 06:59:33 <KeatonT> it's late
May 20 06:59:33 <KeatonT> lol
May 20 06:59:50 <nickjohnson> Fair enough :)
May 20 07:00:10 <nickjohnson> I don't really need analog right now anyway, but it would be nice to be able to read the current consumption off the analog pin dedicated to that
May 20 07:00:20 <nickjohnson> My cape with linear regulator is worryingly hot. :)
May 20 07:01:15 <KeatonT> [Update May 5: In kernel version 3.2.14, the path to the analog pins was changed slightly, from /sys/devices/platform/tsc to /sys/devices/platform/omap/tsc.  The following examples use the original path]
May 20 07:02:00 <nickjohnson> Yeah, it's not under omap, either
May 20 07:02:18 <nickjohnson> In fact, find returns no results other than the ones under /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux, for configuring pin muxing
May 20 07:02:34 <koen> find /sys/ -name "ain1"
May 20 07:02:40 <KeatonT> I think you still need to export it.
May 20 07:02:41 <nickjohnson> done that, see above
May 20 07:02:56 <nickjohnson> KeatonT: There's no export file that I'm aware of for the analog pins - they don't have GPIO numbers.
May 20 07:03:03 <KeatonT> yea true...
May 20 07:03:05 <KeatonT> hmmm
May 20 07:03:42 <koen> .14 is old, use .16
May 20 07:07:37 <KeatonT> nickjohnson not sure...
May 20 07:07:47 <aholler> .16 is old, use .17 ;)
May 20 07:07:56 <KeatonT> I'm running Debian with the latest kernel and still don't see it.
May 20 07:07:58 <nickjohnson> Nobody said they were using any of those
May 20 07:08:13 <KeatonT> how do you even check the kernel version
May 20 07:08:13 <nickjohnson> KeatonT just copied a comment from a page explaining how to use GPIO, and per-version changes
May 20 07:08:24 <nickjohnson> KeatonT: Yeah, it looks like it may be angstrom-specific in any case
May 20 07:08:31 <KeatonT> 3.2.17-psp10
May 20 07:09:17 <KeatonT> if it is angstrom specific then I could see the analog inputs but I have the same issue as you running the latest kernel.
May 20 07:11:41 <KeatonT> http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-16GB-MicroSDHC-Memory-Class/dp/B001F7AJKI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337497888&sr=8-1
May 20 07:11:43 <KeatonT> ^^ :P
May 20 07:12:14 <nickjohnson> Oh, I thought you said you were running debian, not angstrom?
May 20 07:13:04 <KeatonT> I am
May 20 07:16:01 <nickjohnson> But I'm pretty sure the patch to make analog work is Angstrom-specific
May 20 07:16:06 <nickjohnson> So it's not surprising you don't see it in debian
May 20 07:18:09 <koen> nickjohnson: yes, debugfs and sysfs are angstrom inventions indeed
May 20 07:18:31 <nickjohnson> koen: Thanks for the sarcasm.
May 20 07:18:48 <koen> aholler: e4rat is a pain, it depends on libaudit, which needs syscall tables for each arm
May 20 07:18:51 <nickjohnson> It's news to me that sysfs came with built in support for reading ADCs on boards that weren't invented when it was developed
May 20 07:19:04 <koen> aholler: and it tries to build a tool to 'compile' them
May 20 07:19:14 <koen> aholler: huess what doesn't work for crosscompiling :)
May 20 07:19:53 <aholler> anyway, I don't think that would help much with sd-cards
May 20 07:20:59 <aholler> you just could do a format and tar x ... to defragment the fs.
May 20 07:24:21 <aholler> not sure how much such does help with sd-cards, they should not have a great penality for fragmented stuff.
May 20 07:25:23 <aholler> and the tests they mention are only done with hds
May 20 07:27:31 <aholler> I'm not even sure if defragmenting a sd-card is possible ;)
May 20 07:29:38 <aholler> someone should give them a dumb-mode to access the flash directly
May 20 07:33:04 <koen> aholler: I suspect it will help with the stock sd cards that only have 1 access unit thing (I forget the proper term)
May 20 07:33:12 <KeatonT> q
May 20 07:33:35 <koen> aholler: so if everything you need is at the start, the ext4 readahead works in our favour
May 20 07:34:09 <koen> anyway, if it doesn't help we'll know that for the future :)
May 20 07:34:59 <aholler> does that have to run on the target-system?
May 20 07:35:12 <aholler> if not, just use it on the pc on the card
May 20 07:35:54 <koen> the tool to collect the stats is an init wrapper
May 20 07:36:09 <koen> so you boot with init=e4rat-collector
May 20 07:36:16 <aholler> ah, ok
May 20 07:36:36 <koen> but you're right, the defragmenter should be able to run on the host
May 20 09:29:54 <aholler> cherry time: http://ahsoftware.de/cherries.jpg ;)
May 20 11:05:10 <Nipun> Hi i need some help
May 20 11:05:30 <Nipun> i just bought a beagleboard xm revision c
May 20 11:05:46 <Nipun> and am having problems in installing an os to the micro sd
May 20 11:06:13 <Nipun> according to my computer the os has been installed successfully but when i put it in the board i get no video output
May 20 11:06:24 <Nipun> the os which came with my beagleboard works
May 20 11:06:53 <Nipun> Do i need a serial to usb cable for communicating with the board?
May 20 11:07:08 <Nipun> what type of code will i need to know
May 20 11:07:11 <Nipun> can someone guide me
May 20 11:07:15 <aholler> attach a serial, without debugging is hard
May 20 11:07:37 <Nipun> so for any os i will neeed to debug?
May 20 11:08:07 <aholler> no, but you want to know why your os didn't start
May 20 11:08:19 <Nipun> Ok
May 20 11:08:34 <Nipun>  i have installed ubuntu in one micro sd
May 20 11:08:46 <Nipun> in one icro sd i put super jumbo image
May 20 11:09:24 <Nipun> all lights only come on when i put the original micro sd in ( which came with the board and has an os)
May 20 11:09:46 <Nipun> what information will i get from the serial connection?
May 20 11:11:28 <Nipun> how do i debug iff i connect it by serial?
May 20 11:12:10 <aholler> if you attach a serial, you have a console and you will see the output from the kernel, just as with any linux on a pc
May 20 11:13:00 <Nipun> and do i need any additonal software to communicate after attaching the serial cable to communicate with it?
May 20 11:14:19 <Nipun> can you give me full instructions as an example
May 20 11:14:35 <Nipun> like for putting beta 4-25 in beagleboard xm revision c
May 20 11:14:36 <Nipun> ?
May 20 11:14:51 <aholler> no
May 20 11:15:07 <Nipun> Im not experienced in this and am learning right now
May 20 11:15:19 <Nipun> I still go to high school and need some help
May 20 11:15:32 <Nipun> i have been trying it for a long time
May 20 11:23:36 <Nipun> do you know any serial communication software?
May 20 12:51:03 <nickjohnson> Is anyone aware of a Python library for interfacing with the beaglebone hardware other than pybbio?
May 20 12:58:58 <raymohi> mrbbio
May 20 12:59:21 <raymohi> However it is based on pybbio
May 20 13:04:22 <w|zzy> any qt based libraries?
May 20 13:52:12 <nickjohnson> raymohi: I ended up forking pybbio
May 20 13:52:19 <nickjohnson> I'm going to mutilate it until it looks pretty
May 20 13:52:34 <nickjohnson> (Shut up, it makes perfect sense)
May 20 15:42:14 <saftsack> hey, are there any documents for revision a6 available?
May 20 16:56:06 <blucalvin> Hi all! I'm receiving the following error while I try to play audio on my beagleboard-XM with angstrom on it. aplay: device_list:240: no soundcards found...
May 20 16:56:19 <blucalvin> Any help in resolving that?
May 20 17:08:13 <koen> blucalvin: which kernel?
May 20 17:08:23 <koen> blucalvin: we're having some trouble with 3.2 and modules
May 20 17:09:39 <blucalvin> I think it is 3.4. This is the source : https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beagleboard-3.4
May 20 17:12:35 <blucalvin> Do 3.4 and its modules have the problem as well?
May 20 17:17:19 <koen> yes
May 20 17:18:04 <blucalvin> Umm.. Does that mean I won't be able to play audio on my XM with the current kernel? Or is there a workaround?
May 20 17:19:51 <koen> 3.4 not not the "current" kernel
May 20 17:20:03 <koen> it's the preparation for a future current kernel
May 20 17:20:10 <koen> 3.2 is what robert and I use
May 20 17:20:37 <blucalvin> Oh... I meant it in the sense that the one that I have installed on my system at the moment
May 20 17:21:08 * koen doesn't know what blucalvin has installed
May 20 17:21:52 <blucalvin> Compiling the source that I mentioned earlier gives me the image of the 3.4 kernel doesn't it?
May 20 17:27:02 <blucalvin> Well, I compiled that source and the resulting image is what my XM is booting from.
May 20 17:27:53 <blucalvin> So, is there any workaround to get audio playing on my XM?
May 20 17:34:14 <koen> use 3.0
May 20 17:34:19 <koen> or wait for the fix for 3.2
May 20 17:35:54 <blucalvin> I'll try using 3.0. I just need to switch branch to it using "git checkout origin/beagleboard-3.0 -b beagleboard-3.0" right?
May 20 17:37:24 <koen> yes
May 20 17:38:27 <blucalvin> Thank you. :) I'll try it. I'm trying to learn writing drivers. Maybe I'll be able to assist you in some way once I get the project I'm working on done. :)
May 20 17:39:46 <koen> I suspect changing the sound stuff from M to Y would 'fix' it
May 20 17:40:11 <blucalvin> Er... What do you mean by "sound stuff"?
May 20 17:40:23 <blucalvin> And what is M and Y?
May 20 17:40:38 <koen> module and builtin
May 20 17:40:46 <blucalvin> I see.
May 20 17:40:57 <blucalvin> In the 3.4 itself?
May 20 17:41:03 <koen> or 3.2
May 20 17:41:13 <blucalvin> Perhaps I should try that then.
May 20 17:41:27 <prpplague> koen: http://okwusa.com/products/okw/carrytec.html
May 20 17:41:27 <koen> if you want something working: 3.0
May 20 17:41:36 <koen> if you want what Robert and I are working on: 3.2
May 20 17:41:36 <prpplague> koen: panda tablet? hehe
May 20 17:41:41 <koen> if you want to help out: 3.4
May 20 17:42:23 <blucalvin> I'll finish what I'm trying to do on 3.0 and come back to 3.4 then.
May 20 17:42:29 <koen> prpplague: and get a whole 30 secons on those 4AA
May 20 17:42:37 <prpplague> koen: hehe
May 20 17:42:42 <koen> prpplague: maybe it'll overheat before draining the batteries
May 20 17:42:44 <prpplague> koen: i'd use a li-ion
May 20 17:42:45 * koen hides
May 20 17:42:50 <prpplague> koen: hehe
May 20 17:43:11 <koen> prpplague: I think I have 6 pandaboards on my desk now
May 20 17:43:22 <prpplague> koen: thats more than i have
May 20 17:43:24 <prpplague> koen: hehe
May 20 17:43:25 <koen> time to get more +5V jacks and cat5 cables
May 20 17:43:34 <prpplague> hehe
May 20 17:44:01 <prpplague> koen: i was going to do my flyswatter2 video today, but i kinda don't feel like it
May 20 17:44:26 <koen> it's seems all my crazy spare time projects involve software written by ogra fans which doesn't cross-compile
May 20 17:44:47 <koen> prpplague: get some ginger ale and make what I posted on g+
May 20 17:45:43 <koen> prpplague: then tape the video, much more fun that way
May 20 17:45:45 <prpplague> koen: i'm actually out of extra old
May 20 17:46:00 <prpplague> koen: instead of drunken chef, its drunken devr?
May 20 17:46:05 <koen> exactly!
May 20 18:06:25 <tasslehoff> anyone got a howto for adding more framebuffers? I've upped NUM_FBS in the defconfig and added the new fb to the bootargs, but it gets a phys_addr of 0. seems like I'm missing one (or more) steps.
May 20 18:29:51 <blucalvin> During 3.0's compilation, I received this error:arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ar: drivers/net/arm/built-in.o: Permission denied
May 20 18:30:30 <blucalvin> Is it because a certain driver was chosen to be built in?
May 20 18:43:02 <koen> tasslehoff: assign it vram
May 20 18:45:31 <blucalvin> I ran the compilation with "sudo" and now it is proceeding.
May 20 18:45:35 <blucalvin> Weird.
May 20 18:48:19 <tasslehoff> koen: that's what I've tried to do in bootargs. I had omapfb.vram=0:4M,1:4M, and added 2:4M (I think it was :)
May 20 18:49:15 <koen> you can do it at runtime as well
May 20 18:49:23 * koen forget the sysfs node
May 20 18:53:21 <tasslehoff> will try. it showed up in sysfs, but wasn't functional. perhaps the format of my bootargs were wrong.
May 20 19:39:44 <_av500_> tasslehoff: also, omapfb.debug
May 20 19:42:18 <angs> I installed gcc by "opkg install gcc", when I execute gcc -g main.c -o main, I get the following error "-sh: gcc: command not found"
May 20 19:42:26 <angs> Package gcc (4.5-r49+svnr184907) installed in root is up to date.
May 20 19:42:50 <angs> can anyone tell me what could be wrong?
May 20 19:43:04 <angs> http://pastebin.com/RU78fqc4
May 20 19:44:17 <KeatonT> I'm sorry but the Debian Squeeze on the bone is so much better than the angstrom distro.
May 20 19:45:15 <angs> would you suggest me to install debian squeeze?
May 20 19:48:06 <KeatonT> I guess it all depends on what your most comfortable with.
May 20 19:48:29 <KeatonT> I've had much better luck with Debian simply because it has better support for arm packages via apt-get
May 20 19:49:38 <angs> I did not know debian is available for beaglebone
May 20 19:50:05 <angs> I will install it. angstrom distro seems problematic for me to use
May 20 19:50:14 <KeatonT> what are you trying to do?
May 20 19:50:17 <angs> thanks for the suggestion
May 20 19:50:18 <raymohi> I tried the debian version and had issues with pin muxing
May 20 19:50:57 <tasslehoff> _av500_: that will hopefully help. thanks
May 20 19:52:11 <angs> would you recommend me any webpage that contains debian squeeze's documents and information?
May 20 20:04:25 <angs> is there any difference between beaglebone and beagleboard's demo image files?
May 20 20:04:46 <angs> is it fine to install beagleboard's demo file to beaglebone?
May 20 20:07:42 <angs> anyone?
May 20 20:15:59 <koen> angs: try and find out
May 20 20:17:20 <angs> is it bad to share experience?
May 20 20:39:08 <markus> opkg update && opkg upgrade takes quite a while.
May 20 20:39:46 <markus> I'm using the image/sd card shipped with the beaglebone.
May 20 20:40:18 <raymohi> SD cards are very bad for storage they take awhile to read and write too
May 20 20:41:03 <DaBeast^> arent SD cards meant for fast storage?
May 20 20:41:16 <raymohi> I No they aren't
May 20 20:41:17 <DaBeast^> or am i confusing CF cards with that :p
May 20 20:41:26 <markus> i have a faster class 10 or something SD card
May 20 20:41:53 <raymohi> Even so they aren't ment to be fast
May 20 20:42:23 <markus> But I'm not using it. Maybe I should if you think it's because of a slow sd card it's taking time. I thought that there probably are a lot of updates
May 20 20:43:23 <raymohi> Doubt it will help
May 20 20:43:59 <markus> i don't do this every day so it doesn't matter
May 20 20:45:28 * mranostay yawns
May 20 20:46:39 <mranostay> koen: rocking out the charts i see
May 20 20:47:30 <koen> yes
May 20 20:51:46 <koen> mranostay: I now have a patch accepted into meego-developer-tools :)
May 20 20:52:22 <mranostay> oh god
May 20 20:52:49 <mranostay> what is next Tizen?
May 20 20:55:07 <koen> mranostay: fear my 1337 meego skillz: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/bootchart/commit/872fb107028e377eef3c0c7c8a6e0f7c32b8ebb8
May 20 20:57:00 <mranostay> heh
May 20 21:04:24 <markus> koen: congrats! :)
May 20 21:21:41 <KeatonT> The bone is pretty freaking awesome.
May 20 21:23:06 <raymohi> Quite
May 20 21:46:11 * mranostay blames koen for his Eagle addiction
May 20 21:58:10 <KeatonT> I need to learn eagle.
May 20 21:58:11 <KeatonT> Badly
May 20 22:00:11 <mru> just drop the b from beagle
May 20 22:02:44 <mranostay> mru: get out more! :)
May 20 22:02:54 <mranostay> god this google wifi sucks at times
May 20 22:03:06 <mranostay> probably the stone building i'm next too though
May 20 22:04:32 <mru> should I set more gpio pins to output?
May 20 22:08:36 <mdp> mranostay, how is makerfaire?
May 20 22:21:07 <mranostay> mdp: just went yesterday
May 20 22:21:27 <mranostay> seems half of the displays were xyz 3d printers
May 20 22:45:07 <jay6981> disorganized and too crowded
May 20 22:47:32 <jay6981> convenient place to pickup my beaglebone though. now how do I make the GPIOs work? :P
May 20 22:49:27 <raymohi> recommended site from beagleboard.org/bone  http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/14/how-to-get-started-with-the-beaglebone/
May 20 22:50:25 <jay6981> we need to get a faqbot programmed with that :)
May 20 22:52:03 <raymohi> Give me a few days
May 21 00:11:55 <temugen_> Is downgrading to kernel 3.2.13 the proper course of action to get /sys/class/pwm populated?
May 21 00:20:19 <temugen_> huh, nevermind. I'm on 3.2.16 and after an opkg update/upgrade and a reset, PWM is up.
May 21 00:36:11 <mranostay> anyone see the eclipse yet?
May 21 00:37:57 <mru> isn't that only visible from java?
May 21 00:39:03 <mranostay> no probably only total there
May 21 00:39:48 <mranostay> mru: wrong side of the world for you :)
May 21 00:40:22 <emeb> Eclipse has started here in AZ
May 21 00:40:57 <mranostay> do not look directly at the sun!
May 21 00:41:15 <emeb> "Do not stare into beam with remaining eye"
May 21 00:41:30 <mranostay> last time i saw an eclipse was probably 15 years ago and that was the midwest (very rare)
May 21 00:41:57 <mranostay> silly pinhole projector
May 21 00:42:04 <mranostay> camera phones ftw
May 21 00:42:04 <emeb> Eclipses are rare in the midwest US due to fundamentalists.
May 21 00:42:46 <mranostay> Ohio really doesn't have those
May 21 00:43:24 <mranostay> well compared to the AL which I lived for a year (don't ask why i allowed myself to move there :))
May 21 00:44:34 <emeb> Wish I was in Albuquerque - get the full show there.
May 21 00:45:33 <mranostay> AL = Alabama for the record
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