**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 25 02:59:59 2012
May 25 04:52:43 <aholler> prpplague: pong, will do
May 25 05:37:15 <ashwini> I am having a beagle board on which I am running ubuntu, the doubt is, I am having a socket program which keeps on listening to a port and receive data over that, now I want, whenever beagle board will boot it should execute the application only, any idea any keywords any tutorials ??
May 25 05:44:37 <nickjohnson> I hate it when people do that
May 25 05:54:40 <mranostay> nickjohnson: you and me both man
May 25 05:59:16 <_av500__> hateday!
May 25 06:06:49 <aholler> flameday
May 25 06:36:59 <hitlin37> friday
May 25 06:38:10 <koen> IIRday!
May 25 06:41:05 <mranostay> fucking a
May 25 06:41:21 <mranostay> am i allowed to say that here?
May 25 06:41:52 <mranostay> koen: 3 day weekend in the states :)
May 25 06:47:02 <Russ> mranostay, you doing ok?
May 25 06:47:50 <mranostay> Russ: awesome. why you ask? :)
May 25 06:48:17 <Russ> you seem "upset"
May 25 06:49:10 <mranostay> nope i'm fine. just replying to IRCday :)
May 25 06:50:57 <Russ> but its IIRday?
May 25 06:51:20 <Russ> is philips coming out with a new bus?
May 25 06:51:23 <mranostay> you aren't on G+?
May 25 06:51:31 <Russ> I rarely check it
May 25 06:53:05 <Russ> and all I see is koen's new cape
May 25 06:53:18 <Russ> new awesome cape that is
May 25 07:07:53 <soso> Hey!
May 25 07:08:01 <soso> I just created a forum for the beaglebone
May 25 07:08:13 <soso> http://beaglebone.legtux.org
May 25 07:08:20 <soso> hop you'll like it ;)
May 25 07:08:39 <soso> Don't hesitate to register and post!
May 25 07:10:14 <mranostay> oh god it is IRCday
May 25 07:10:20 * mranostay pokes koen 
May 25 07:13:56 <aholler> oh, a ph0rum
May 25 07:14:11 <soso> ;)
May 25 07:15:56 <koen> Russ: last week we had FIRday on friday, so let's for infinite responses today :)
May 25 07:20:05 <Russ> god I hate OMNdays
May 25 07:22:29 <koen> :)
May 25 07:24:04 <LetoThe2nd> koen: sir can you please send me the exact steps for infinite responses?
May 25 07:25:02 <XMPPwocky> LetoThe2nd: sure
May 25 07:25:14 <XMPPwocky> take the steps for finite responses and do them an infinite number of times
May 25 07:26:15 <LetoThe2nd> XMPPwocky: can you send me the codes in email?
May 25 07:26:30 <XMPPwocky> LetoThe2nd: do you have an infinite amount of space?
May 25 07:26:59 <LetoThe2nd> XMPPwocky: it is urgent i have to finish project in 10minutes.
May 25 07:27:07 <LetoThe2nd> XMPPwocky: so please send me the codes sir.
May 25 07:28:11 * LetoThe2nd is probabl< better off for coffee. or spice.
May 25 08:19:55 <TUB_> Hi, does anyone know if there is a beagleBONE Debian Squeeze SD Card Image avaible anywhere? No Netinstall.
May 25 08:32:51 <stuk_gen> ok guys...i need your help :) i want to build with angstrom oe a qt-embedded with powervr enable plugin. What i need is a  plugin powervr that works and a qt library that i can use to cross-compile my application
May 25 08:34:43 <stuk_gen> is this the best channel to speak about this?
May 25 08:39:46 <LetoThe2nd> TUB_: check http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone
May 25 08:47:51 <stuk_gen> tasslehoff: are you able to run 3.2.x kernel on your board?
May 25 08:50:00 <tasslehoff> stuk_gen: never tried
May 25 09:01:19 <MikeC> hi guys!
May 25 09:03:10 <Guest93853> We're interested in using your beagle bone card for a programmable gateway in which we need 4 ethernet ports. Hence, we'd like to plug-in an expansion card with a Managed Ethernet Switch chip like KSZ8895MQ or KSZ8895RQ that would connect to the AM359x processor (preferably to the 2nd Ethernet port) from beagle bone through MII or RMII.
May 25 09:03:22 <Guest93853> Unfortunately, we didn't find all the RMII signals on the expansion header P9. We are not sure if it possible to connect our RMII lines from expansion card directly on the board as we can see it from your PCB layouts.
May 25 09:03:41 <Guest93853> Could you suggest the options to fulfill our need of connecting an expansion card to one of the AM335x ethernet port, please?
May 25 09:35:44 <stuk_gen> koen: why the recipes-qt in openembedded-core is not align with the recipes-qt with open-embedded source http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-qt/qt4?
May 25 09:53:51 <jkridner> koen: good morning.  going to be a short day for me.  I'm headed out to give a hands-on workshop later today.
May 25 09:53:55 <TUB_> LetoThe2nd: thank you
May 25 09:54:14 <jkridner> koen: let me know if you tried the bonescript/bone101 updates.
May 25 10:31:06 <Guest93853> Does anybody know if it's possible to connect an ethernet port in expansion card of beaglebone? I don't see all 10 (R)MII signals available on expansion headers :(
May 25 10:31:55 <_av500__> then I guess not
May 25 10:37:15 <ncbas> even if all (R)MII signals were present, it wouldn't work!
May 25 10:38:33 <Guest3996> i am having issues with kernel build. Is there anyone who can check it out ? http://fpaste.org/qJP8/
May 25 10:39:11 <Guest3996> i used git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git
May 25 10:39:53 <Guest3996> 1. i did: make menuconfig; make
May 25 10:41:19 <Guest3996> host machine: ubuntu 10.10
May 25 10:44:46 <tlamer> hi
May 25 10:45:01 <tlamer> had anybody tryed latest fedora 17 beta release on beagle-xm?
May 25 10:50:14 <Guest3996> is there any linux kernel build expert ?
May 25 10:53:56 <koen> jkridner: I did, much better now
May 25 11:28:10 <dm8tbr> _av500__: this one is for you http://penny-arcade.com/comic
May 25 11:29:15 <koen> ncbas: pwm works
May 25 11:29:33 <koen> ncbas: well, the leds change depending on the duty cycle :)
May 25 11:30:17 <Guest3996> one more if there is any kernel build expert, plese :) ?
May 25 11:30:39 <stuk_gen> koen: we need update core-oe for qt recipes align with the open embedded tree
May 25 11:31:53 <koen> what you say makes no sense
May 25 11:33:12 <ncbas> koen: I like the LED's although it's a very expensive part of the board ;-)
May 25 11:35:35 <koen> the holes for the leds are neat as well
May 25 11:35:35 <stuk_gen> koen: the angrstom qt recipes is not aligned with this http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-qt/qt4?
May 25 11:36:34 <koen> angstrom is using the oe-core recipes, if that is what you mean
May 25 11:36:48 <ncbas> koen: Yeah, but the choice of LEDs is rather limited :(
May 25 11:36:53 <wiselynx> koen, may I quary you?
May 25 11:37:04 <wiselynx> s/quary/query/
May 25 11:37:09 * LetoThe2nd also wants to quarry koen.
May 25 11:37:29 <stuk_gen> koen: so why i haven't the 4.8.1 in my recipes? if you said that...becouse is not update
May 25 11:38:32 <koen> "I just created an unofficial BeagleBone Forum because I find it more convenient"
May 25 11:38:36 <koen> eejits
May 25 11:39:04 <LetoThe2nd> koen: its friday, you know.
May 25 11:39:08 <stuk_gen> ?
May 25 11:40:13 <koen> LetoThe2nd: around 10 in the morning I already felt the needs for an afternoon beverage
May 25 11:40:51 <LetoThe2nd> koen: hm. right now in the afternoon i still feel the need for a morning beverage.
May 25 11:41:16 <stuk_gen> is too difficult to unedrstand? the openembedded-core/meta/recipes-qt/qt4 is not the same then http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-qt/qt4
May 25 11:41:21 <stuk_gen> understand*
May 25 11:46:44 <koen> stuk_gen: I still don't get what you are trying to say
May 25 11:47:54 <stuk_gen> koen: the folder in angrstom build ... so Angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded-core/meta/recipes-qt/qt4 is not update to the folder qt4 on the tree of open embedded site...http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-qt/qt4 ...understand?
May 25 11:49:14 <koen> no
May 25 11:49:26 <stuk_gen> what do you not understand?
May 25 11:49:28 <koen> unless you haven't done './oebb.sh update'
May 25 11:49:38 <stuk_gen> yes...i made...
May 25 11:49:47 <stuk_gen> and git pull...
May 25 11:49:52 <stuk_gen> but no change...
May 25 11:50:06 <koen> so you're already at the tip of the configured branch
May 25 11:50:13 <koen> which means it's up to date
May 25 11:50:37 <stuk_gen> koen: no...because i don't find the qt 4.8.1 files...
May 25 11:50:43 <stuk_gen> there is 4.8.0
May 25 11:50:58 <stuk_gen> but in open embedded site there is 4.8.1
May 25 11:51:10 <stuk_gen> so i don't understand where is the problem
May 25 11:53:56 <koen> git into sources/openembedded-core
May 25 11:54:00 <koen> then type:
May 25 11:54:02 <koen> git branch
May 25 11:54:08 <koen> and then ponder on the output of that
May 25 12:01:25 <stuk_gen> ok i try
May 25 12:02:08 <stuk_gen> koen: denzil master
May 25 12:34:58 <monikxz> hello! can beagle bone be connected to internet and a user can switch devices at his home from any location in the world?
May 25 12:40:11 <monikxz> Has somebody connected beaglebone to internet and accessed it remotely.?
May 25 12:45:16 <stuk_gen> monikxz: simply ssh?
May 25 12:51:05 <wiselynx> keon, please, how can I contact you?
May 25 12:51:14 <wiselynx> i'd write here, but would be off-topic
May 25 12:51:28 <wiselynx> and you don't seem to be on the #angstrom channel
May 25 12:58:54 <jerrin> suggestions for any good embedded programming books?
May 25 13:00:50 <stuk_gen> wiselynx: is not keon
May 25 13:04:27 <wiselynx> damn, today there's something wrong between me and the keyboard..
May 25 13:04:40 <wiselynx> it was for koen of course!
May 25 13:10:07 <lpi> hi everybody
May 25 13:11:46 <Qbert> !logs
May 25 14:55:08 <orated> Hello! I'm getting poorly formatted/indented output on serial terminals - http://imagebin.org/213823 . I checked the connections, changed the application from gtkterm to screen to minicom and others, checked the power supply but still the same output. I cannot see even the dmesg output properly. Could anyone suggest me any solution?
May 25 14:56:59 <woglinde> lol
May 25 14:57:02 <woglinde> thats funny
May 25 14:58:00 <_troll_> bad cable?
May 25 14:58:24 <woglinde> _troll_ hm but some strings are shown correctly
May 25 14:58:38 <woglinde> it looks more like an obsfuscator
May 25 14:58:43 <stuk_gen> speed wrong?
May 25 14:58:49 <serekson> orated: beaglebone or beagleboad?
May 25 14:59:04 <stuk_gen> parity?
May 25 15:00:03 <orated> serekson: Beagleboard
May 25 15:00:19 <orated> stuk_gen: parity:none
May 25 15:00:46 <serekson> yeah, the settings look right for the default at least
May 25 15:01:02 <serekson> maybe try specifying the settings in the uEnv.txt
May 25 15:01:30 <serekson> that way you know they match
May 25 15:01:53 <stuk_gen> have a serial cable long 100 meters? :D
May 25 15:03:40 <orated> Its actually DB-9 to serial to serial-usb cable
May 25 15:04:05 <orated> I noticed this issue only after upgrading Ubuntu from 11.10 to 12.04
May 25 15:04:14 <woglinde> uhm
May 25 15:04:17 <orated> It used to work fine in old gtkterm
May 25 15:04:21 <woglinde> *head scratch*
May 25 15:04:23 <orated> even on screen
May 25 15:04:40 <woglinde> hm maybee the serial-usb converter code changed
May 25 15:04:40 <serekson> well, that seems to make it a driver issue
May 25 15:04:51 <woglinde> serekson yes
May 25 15:04:52 <stuk_gen> if somebody here use the angstrom oe to build image can verify if in Angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded-core/metarecipes-qt/qt4 have qt4.8.1? thanks
May 25 15:04:56 <woglinde> but really strange
May 25 15:05:21 <woglinde> stuk_gen look on git web frontend
May 25 15:05:27 <orated> woglinde: serial-usb converter code  as in?
May 25 15:05:33 <woglinde> orated kernel
May 25 15:05:37 <orated> ah-ok
May 25 15:05:53 <stuk_gen> woglinde: can you get me a link to angstrom git recipes-qt?
May 25 15:06:10 <serekson> orated: maybe try it on a live cd
May 25 15:06:31 <orated> serekson: Yes ...
May 25 15:06:42 <orated> Thanks
May 25 15:06:44 <woglinde> stuk_gen how about -> http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-qt/qt4/qt4-x11-free_4.8.1.bb
May 25 15:07:04 <stuk_gen> woglinde:  this is openembedded not amstrong git
May 25 15:07:20 <woglinde> o.O
May 25 15:07:58 <woglinde> stuk_gen go hide in the corner -> Angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/"openembedded-core"/
May 25 15:08:28 <stuk_gen> woglinde: ok...but in git i see 4.8.1 in my installation i have 4.8.0
May 25 15:08:36 <stuk_gen> woglinde: and i run update
May 25 15:08:45 <stuk_gen> woglinde: so i not understand where is the lack
May 25 15:09:05 <woglinde> stuk_gen go manually to the dir and do git pull --rebase
May 25 15:10:55 <stuk_gen> woglinde: ok, i'm trying...but i have to use this for every packet? i think its a work for oebb.sh update
May 25 15:11:30 <stuk_gen> woglinde: Cannot pull with rebase: You have unstaged changes.
May 25 15:11:42 <woglinde> stuk_gen lol
May 25 15:12:12 <woglinde> thats why setup-scripts will not update your oe-core tree
May 25 15:12:16 <woglinde> git status
May 25 15:12:19 <woglinde> git diff
May 25 15:12:24 <woglinde> and learn git usage
May 25 15:12:48 <orated> Secondly, I'm also thinking of new RS232 cable - http://www.logicsupply.com/images/photos/cables/db9-idc10_big.jpg - Do I need to change connections of it as described here - http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Serial_connection_.232 ?
May 25 15:12:58 <stuk_gen> woglinde: oooh understand! i made some modify to test and this don't update the qt recipes!
May 25 15:13:19 <woglinde> stuk_gen not excatly it prevents the whole update in oe-core dir
May 25 15:13:40 <woglinde> time to go home
May 25 15:13:45 <woglinde> good bye and good luck
May 25 15:13:48 <stuk_gen> woglinde: ok, how can i overwrite this?
May 25 15:13:55 <stuk_gen> damned!
May 25 15:13:57 <stuk_gen> :D
May 25 15:15:23 <koen> stuk_gen: ponder some more on the output of 'git branch' in the openembedded-core dir
May 25 15:16:26 <stuk_gen> koen: its said only denzil master
May 25 15:16:52 <koen> no
May 25 15:16:59 <koen> I bet there was a '*' as well
May 25 15:17:11 <koen> no go ponder on the significance of that '*'
May 25 15:17:15 <koen> now*
May 25 15:17:23 <stuk_gen> yes
May 25 15:17:25 <stuk_gen> there is *
May 25 15:17:38 <stuk_gen> sorry i don't see that
May 25 15:17:49 <stuk_gen> this mean that the source is modify?
May 25 15:18:14 <koen> it means you should read some git tutorials
May 25 15:18:22 <stuk_gen> so it can't update because i lost editing
May 25 15:18:39 <stuk_gen> koen: ok...now is easy solve that..thanks
May 25 15:18:49 <stuk_gen> koen: i have a question for you about powervr plugins
May 25 15:19:33 <stuk_gen> koen: why you said that powervr don't give much improvement?
May 25 15:22:52 <koen> because I measured it
May 25 15:26:21 <stuk_gen> koen: so i can use opengl without powervr?
May 25 15:26:37 <stuk_gen> koen: there isn't a good improve?
May 25 15:26:56 <prpplague> aholler: ping
May 25 15:27:35 <stuk_gen> koen: but maybe not improve but move the operations to gpu and not to cpu
May 25 15:35:34 <aholler> prpplague: pong, haven't looked at it until now
May 25 15:35:59 <prpplague> aholler: oh, i thought you were watching the video
May 25 15:36:05 <prpplague> aholler: the other day
May 25 15:36:12 <prpplague> aholler: which video were you watching?
May 25 15:36:36 <aholler> the one about lcds
May 25 15:36:48 <aholler> 2012, the tools is 2011
May 25 15:37:53 <aholler> but I think I'm not the usual audience ;)
May 25 15:39:36 <orated> serekson: Found the problem. The latest kernel doesn't properly devices detected as ttyACM and those detected as ttyUSB works normally
May 25 15:39:44 <orated> er
May 25 15:39:57 <prpplague> aholler: ahh right, i thought you were looking at the tools one from 2011
May 25 15:40:38 <orated> serekson:  I meant ttyACM gives issue on serial but ttyUSB doesn't
May 25 15:43:22 <aholler> sometimes it helps to disconnect the dongle. rs232 without hadnshaking is unreliable
May 25 15:43:43 <aholler> even with it is stil unreliable
May 25 15:48:27 <prpplague> aholler: let me know if you have time to review it
May 25 15:50:38 <aholler> prpplague: jupp
May 25 15:51:59 <aholler> just have to build me an avr-pic-programmer to revive my sniffer ;)
May 25 15:52:23 <prpplague> aholler: so you watched the entire lcd presentation?
May 25 15:52:50 <aholler> no, I heard most of it while doing other things.
May 25 15:53:15 <aholler> I already knew most of it, so watching was boring ;)
May 25 15:54:45 <aholler> sorry ;)
May 25 15:55:31 <prpplague> aholler: no worries, just was curious
May 25 15:55:38 <prpplague> aholler: i like to get feedback on them
May 25 15:58:35 <aholler> Currently I'm watching zendulum ;)
May 25 16:00:40 <riskable> Is there anything that "oebb.sh update" *doesn't* update?  Like is there some subdirectory that I should cd into and perform a git pull?
May 25 16:02:21 <W1N9Zr0> the setup-scripts repo itself
May 25 16:06:45 <riskable> W1N9Zr0: Yeah, I already figured that one out.  I just can't seem to build images because a number of *.bb files are out-of-date
May 25 16:06:46 <mranostay> happy double-Friday
May 25 16:06:51 <mranostay> well for the us'ians
May 25 16:07:13 <riskable> | ERROR: Function failed: Fetcher failure for URL: 'ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netbase/netbase_4.47.tar.gz'. Checksum mismatch!
May 25 16:07:55 <W1N9Zr0> update should pull all the layers, and show you any problem it encountered
May 25 16:08:35 <W1N9Zr0> that ftp link doesn't work for me, so it might just be down for now
May 25 16:08:45 <riskable> The problem is that the netbase_4.47.bb needs to be updated to use netbase_5.0 since the 4.47 tarball doesn't exist in the Debian mirrors anymore
May 25 16:09:11 <riskable> IF you go to ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netbase/ you can see there's only two versions available
May 25 16:09:27 <riskable> ...and I read the changelog on netbase-5.0...  It says that it supercedes 4.47
May 25 16:09:36 <riskable> Therefore no more 4.47
May 25 16:09:40 <riskable> Yet that was DAYS ago
May 25 16:09:57 <riskable> It just seems terribly unlikely that the OE folks would go so long without noticing such a change
May 25 16:11:40 <W1N9Zr0> i wouldn't say it's unlikely
May 25 16:12:53 <orated> Hello! I'm using Beagleboard B4 and have connected a USB 2.0 hub to the OTG port. Both the BB and USB  hub are externally powered. On boot I see usb hub detection message - http://pastebin.com/V2sdn3XM - but I don't see anything in /media if I connect any USB device to the hub. Am I missing something?
May 25 16:22:08 <riskable> orated: What do you see when you run 'fdisk -l'?
May 25 16:22:37 <riskable> orated: Also, is the "usb_storage" module loaded?  "lsmod | grep usb"
May 25 16:23:04 <riskable> So I've created an updated netbase-5.0 dir and committed it according to the policies at the OE website.  Who the heck do I submit it to?
May 25 16:23:09 <orated> riskable: http://pastebin.com/tnD1QqDS
May 25 16:23:43 <riskable> orated: Yeah, it isn't seeing your disk at all
May 25 16:23:50 <riskable> Is usb_storage loaded?
May 25 16:24:01 <orated> And there is nothing on lsmod | grep usb
May 25 16:24:09 <riskable> There ya go :)
May 25 16:24:11 <riskable> modprobe usb_storage
May 25 16:24:21 <orated> Didn't know this ;)
May 25 16:24:27 <orated> Let me try that command
May 25 16:24:29 <riskable> (assuming you're plugging in a usb storage device)
May 25 16:25:05 <orated> I have connected a 2GB usb device and usb-ethernet adapter to the hub at the moment, riskable
May 25 16:25:22 <riskable> Also paste the output of "lsusb"
May 25 16:25:34 <KeatonT> Hello :)
May 25 16:25:47 <orated> riskable: -bash: lusb: command not found
May 25 16:25:50 <orated> ee
May 25 16:26:09 <orated> riskable:
May 25 16:26:10 <orated> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
May 25 16:26:12 <orated> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
May 25 16:27:03 <riskable> Actually, looking at my own beaglebone with a USB storage device plugged in it appears to use something other than usb_storage
May 25 16:27:19 <riskable> Probably g_mass_storage
May 25 16:28:03 <orated> Yes, modprobe usb_storage returned nothing
May 25 16:28:11 <riskable> I got a line like this when I plugged it in:  [58000.721343] usb-storage 1-1:1.0: Quirks match for vid 090c pid 6000: 100000
May 25 16:28:34 <orated> dmesg gives nothing related to usb here
May 25 16:28:37 <riskable> That tells me the usb-storage module is loaded...  But perhaps they renamed it on Angstrom or combined it with something else
May 25 16:29:04 <orated> dmesg  | tail I mean
May 25 16:29:11 <orated> hm
May 25 16:30:19 <riskable> Oh, I see
May 25 16:31:09 <riskable> Wait, no I don't, LOL
May 25 16:35:30 <hks_> hello
May 25 16:35:56 <hks_> can I use Natinal intrument DAQ with beagle board
May 25 16:36:06 <hks_> can I use National intrument DAQ with beagle board
May 25 16:40:10 <riskable> orated: It looks like udev just isn't creating the /dev/sd* entries
May 25 16:41:05 <riskable> orated: Looks like it might be a problem with the kernel included with Angstrom.  I suggest googling "usb storage beaglebone"
May 25 16:41:08 <riskable> Finding lots of links
May 25 16:43:34 <orated> riskable: Thanks
May 25 16:44:58 <mranostay> i think we have a winner today with hks
May 25 16:48:33 <aholler> that isn't a udev-problem
May 25 16:48:57 <aholler> before udev comes, the kernel has to find some storage
May 25 17:00:39 <riskable> How long does "parsing recipes" take your systems?  My laptop estimates it will take 3.5 minutes
May 25 17:27:06 <wmat> koen: heh, it's Friday!
May 25 17:32:48 <mranostay> wmat: double friday
May 25 17:34:03 <cbrake> I'm trying to get systemd-gnome-image running on a BBxM, and it gets stuck at "Started Recreate Volatile Files and Directories" on first boot
May 25 17:34:11 <cbrake> does anyone know of a solution for this?
May 25 17:34:22 <cbrake> I built the image form yesterday's bits
May 25 17:40:14 <riskable> Anyone know why the Beaglebone default avahi-daemon.conf has "browse-domains=0pointer.de, zeroconf.org" set?  Also, why is IPv6 disabled?
May 25 17:41:01 <wmat> cbrake: anything logged?
May 25 17:42:58 <riskable> Also, from the beaglebone itself "ping beaglebone.local" isn't working
May 25 17:48:44 <wmat> riskable: the ping beaglebone.local question was answered on the mailing list quite recently.  Search for the 'Connect to BeagleBone.local' thread.
May 25 17:49:16 <riskable> wmat: I actually just figured it out...  The default config for the Beaglebone is missing the proper mdns4 entries in /etc/nsswitch.conf
May 25 17:49:34 <wmat> event better
May 25 17:50:08 <wmat> s/event/even
May 25 17:50:54 <riskable> Yeah, that wasn't in the mailing list
May 25 17:51:11 <riskable> I need to figure out where /etc/nsswitch.conf is configured in the sources and make a patch
May 25 18:04:00 <riskable> I just updated meta-angstrom/recipes-core/base-files with an nsswitch.conf that allows the use of mdns4.  Now if I could only get cloud9-image to build I could test it!
May 25 18:47:18 <jkridner_> koen: do you have an update list for me?
May 25 18:47:35 <jkridner_> I want to move on to Serial and I2C soon.
May 25 18:47:43 * jkridner_ is very happy with parallel.js
May 25 18:48:33 <stujamac> Hi all, have recently got my beagle bone and have had a biot of a play around with the Angstrom version shipped with it, however, I am looking at moving it onto a version of the linux kernel with RTOS features.  Has anyone had a go at this or any idea where to go from here?  Have fair bit of linux and low level C experience (well, at least enough to realise I don't know enough...)
May 25 18:50:40 <jkridner_> I'd check out using xenomi
May 25 18:51:21 <jkridner_> https://gitorious.org/beagleboard-xenomai/beagleboard-xenomai seems to be fore beaglebone only.
May 25 18:51:24 <jkridner_> er, beagleboard, not beaglebone
May 25 18:52:05 * jkridner_ reads http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.real-time.xenomai.users/13614
May 25 18:52:13 <stujamac> hmmmm, how much of a difference does it come down to (i know different IC's, but surely relatively similar?)
May 25 18:52:27 <jkridner_> really similar.
May 25 18:52:40 <stujamac> thats what I like to hear :p
May 25 18:52:44 <jkridner_> for RT-patch support, it should be easy to move over...
May 25 18:52:52 <jkridner_> there are a few delta peripherals....
May 25 18:53:05 <mranostay> jkridner_: famous last words when talking about RT :)
May 25 18:53:08 <jkridner_> but, I'd expect most things (with the possible exception of USB) to get easier.
May 25 18:53:38 <jkridner_> I have heard the full RT Linux patch is broken on Cortex-A... need to follow-up on that.
May 25 18:54:16 <jkridner_> mranostay: any suggestions?
May 25 18:55:30 <mranostay> not really. haven't touched any RT patches in over a year
May 25 18:57:38 <stujamac> will have a bit of a dig and see
May 25 18:57:59 <stujamac> what are you all using your beagles (of various sorts) for?
May 25 18:58:31 * jkridner_ does toy demos in JavaScript. :-D
May 25 18:59:28 * jkridner_ would ideally help people do things like Ninja Blocks and OpenROV
May 25 19:01:17 <stujamac> nice :) Am playing around with mine to be the brain of Fred (technic lego robot, yes at 26 still haven't got rid of technic lego...), no major reason why, just a bit of fun at the moment :D  Possibly looking at ARM cortex as new platform for our dev at work, but not sure how likely it is!  Would makje a change to move off 12 year old processors ;)
May 25 19:02:31 <jkridner_> stujamac: mranostay doesn't want to admit he does things like https://github.com/mranostay/pachube-geigerbone/wiki
May 25 19:02:32 <riskable> I bought my Beaglebone primarily so I could fix Gate One to make it fast :)
May 25 19:02:47 * jkridner_ is now very happy to be using Gate One
May 25 19:02:54 <riskable> I already did that so now I'm just trying to help out
May 25 19:02:56 * jkridner_ had previously rejected using it. :)
May 25 19:03:18 <jkridner_> my python users are going to be very happy.
May 25 19:03:20 <riskable> jkridner_: I'll be putting together a gateone_beaglebone_1.0.bb soon :)
May 25 19:03:25 <jkridner_> vim inside the browser!
May 25 19:03:41 <riskable> Oh, and I'm making an ipython-0.13_git.bb as well
May 25 19:04:08 <jkridner_> riskable: have you looked at https://github.com/alexanderhiam/PyBBIO ?
May 25 19:04:15 <jkridner_> what is ipython?
May 25 19:04:19 <riskable> jkridner_: Someone told me that it would be possible to make a vim plugin that makes it so that pop-ups show up as browser elements.  I always wanted to try that
May 25 19:04:21 * jkridner_ googles
May 25 19:04:32 <riskable> jkridner_: No, I haven't seen that...  Looking
May 25 19:05:02 <mranostay> so _HATES_ touching /dev/mem to do PWM stuff
May 25 19:05:02 <jkridner_> riskable: ooooh.....  ipython looks tempting!
May 25 19:05:04 <riskable> I wonder if it would be a good idea to include a better vimrc default that makes Python development better on the Beaglebone
May 25 19:05:13 <riskable> jkridner_: I friggin' LOVE IPython
May 25 19:05:21 <riskable> Use it so often to test out functions and whatnot in Gate One
May 25 19:05:23 <jkridner_> where's ijavascript!
May 25 19:05:30 <_troll_> what's that? python for iphone?
May 25 19:05:33 <xxiao> fedora17+arm, what for
May 25 19:05:50 <jkridner_> http://ipython.org/
May 25 19:05:58 <jkridner_> for those google illiterate
May 25 19:06:06 <cbrake> stujamac: some information on kernel development: http://bec-systems.com/site/521/best-practices-for-kernel-development-with-openembedded
May 25 19:06:12 <cbrake> stujamac: and another: http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
May 25 19:06:22 <mranostay> _troll_: where has mru gone and what have you done with him?
May 25 19:06:38 <xxiao> riskable: ipython good for academics...bpython better for general usage
May 25 19:06:39 <jkridner_> yeah, the those articles are highly recommended.
May 25 19:06:55 <riskable> xxiao: Yeah, I played around with bpython a bit recently.  I like it a lot!
May 25 19:07:04 <_troll_> mranostay: mru has been BT'd
May 25 19:07:11 <jkridner_> ipython has a cooler home page.
May 25 19:07:14 <riskable> xxiao: I need to force myself to use bpython more so I can get used to it
May 25 19:07:18 <xxiao> i feel ipython is more powerful, but always come back to bpython in practice
May 25 19:07:54 <cbrake> jkridner_: what is the recommended gui demo image for BB these days?
May 25 19:08:25 <xxiao> the synapse guys made an embedded python running on zigbee nodes which has some KB memories, and it's very usable
May 25 19:08:29 <cbrake> jkridner_: playing with systemd-gnome-image -- 1st boot is really long, and then gdm does not start automatically after that
May 25 19:08:40 <jkridner_> cbrake: BB = BBoard or BBone ?
May 25 19:08:48 <cbrake> jkridner_: sorry, beagleboard
May 25 19:09:00 * jkridner_ typically starts with the latest Angstrom demo image.
May 25 19:09:17 <jkridner_> there are a few regressions, but the latest is usually a good balance.
May 25 19:09:45 <jkridner_> last one I used was Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz
May 25 19:12:30 <xxiao> cbrake: the two urls you gave, the first one is out of date, the second one did not work for current angstrom check, at least when i checked out two weeks ago
May 25 19:12:53 <koen> jkridner_: update list?
May 25 19:12:56 <waltermixxx> hi folks
May 25 19:13:10 <jkridner_> koen: a list of features/fixes you'd like to see from me
May 25 19:13:14 <cbrake> xxiao: yes, that is very likely as OE is always changing.  But you should be able to get some ideas and write a new article :-)
May 25 19:13:36 <riskable> jkridner_: I just created a fresh setup-scripts clone yesterday and now that I've fixed the netbase and debianutils problems I noticed that it is building gateone_1.0.  I thought Koen updated it to 1.1?
May 25 19:13:53 <riskable> This is with cloud9-image
May 25 19:13:54 <xxiao> the kernel build will safely ignore whatever your local changes unless you bumped PR
May 25 19:14:44 <jkridner_> riskable: the feed has 1.1
May 25 19:14:46 <riskable> What is the default Angstrom demo image?
May 25 19:14:59 <jkridner_> must be something in the recommendation for the distro.
May 25 19:15:10 <jkridner_> cloud9-systemd-image
May 25 19:15:35 <jkridner_> so, koen might be building it, but hasn't put it in the image yet.
May 25 19:15:41 <riskable> I see
May 25 19:16:00 <jkridner_> I get it with 'opkg install gateone'
May 25 19:16:06 <riskable> What's the difference between "cloud9-image" and "cloud9-systemd-image"?
May 25 19:16:21 <riskable> Just the use of systemd?
May 25 19:18:06 <jkridner_> systemd is just a start-up tool, like sysvinit, but I thought it was included in the image name.
May 25 19:18:28 <_troll_> actually it's a lot more than that
May 25 19:18:43 <jkridner_> perhaps it is cloud9-image
May 25 19:18:58 <jkridner_> _troll_: I thought you weren't a fan.
May 25 19:19:27 <_troll_> it tries to replace init, inetd, syslog, and a bunch of other things with a horrible monolithic monstrosity
May 25 19:20:53 <cbrake> here is what I came up with for GUI images available: https://gist.github.com/2790004
May 25 19:21:16 <jkridner_> riskable: the demo image includes gnome too.
May 25 19:22:09 <jkridner_> I think this is the one used: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/blob/master/recipes-misc/images/cloud9-gnome-image.bb
May 25 19:22:14 <jkridner_> cloud9-gnome-image
May 25 19:22:44 <riskable> Thanks
May 25 19:23:02 <riskable> Ugh, now 'screen' won't build?  Arghh
May 25 19:23:26 <jkridner_> cbrake: I'd think cloud9-gnome-image would be the most complete.
May 25 19:23:42 <cbrake> jkridner_: ok, trying that next
May 25 19:23:55 <cbrake> jkridner_: mouse and kb don't work in the systemd-gnome-image I just built
May 25 19:24:06 * jkridner_ hasn't built one in a couple months.
May 25 19:24:17 <jkridner_> hmm. :(
May 25 19:24:57 <cbrake> cloud9-gnome-image: Missing or unbuildable dependency chain was: ['firefox']
May 25 19:25:03 <cbrake> :-)
May 25 19:25:09 <cbrake> never a dull moment
May 25 19:28:55 <jkridner_> cbrake: it assumes you've put together your stack with the angstrom setup-scripts for now, unless all the work to free it from Angstrom-only has completed.
May 25 19:31:53 <nextime> hello, have anyone tryed to use the "demo" image of debian from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Demo_Image?
May 25 19:33:38 <cbrake> jkridner_: I have something similiar: http://cgit.bec-systems.com/cgit.cgi/oe-build-core/
May 25 19:33:52 <cbrake> jkridner_: it uses angstrom, meta-oe, meta-ti
May 25 19:34:51 <koen> jkridner_: the spreadsheet has the goals
May 25 19:34:51 <koen> jkridner_: note the "usb" item :)
May 25 19:34:51 <koen> jkridner_: I'll try enabling DMA to see if that makes a difference
May 25 19:36:01 * cbrake gets motivated to start up the weekly testing effort again ...
May 25 19:39:17 <nextime> i'm experiencing hung_task_timeout_secs during boot, powering the bone by from usb. Is there any commong issue using power from usb?
May 25 20:03:22 <riskable> What are these .bbappend files?
May 25 20:03:48 <riskable> I'm getting "ERROR: No recipes available for:" a bunch of them
May 25 20:11:44 <STrRedWlf> Heya.  Anyone get FFMPEG/MPLAYER to use the DSP on the BeagleBone for encoding?  I'm more familiar with them verses GStreamer.
May 25 20:12:02 <STrRedWlf> I'm trying to accelerate my H.264 encodes
May 25 20:14:18 <_troll_> the bone doesn't have a dsp
May 25 20:14:36 <riskable> Trying to build cloud9-image and I'm getting errors:  https://gist.github.com/2790325
May 25 20:14:43 <riskable> I have no idea how to solve that
May 25 20:15:06 <riskable> STrRedWlf: You mean the GPU?
May 25 20:16:46 <nextime> streetuff : is my bone will boot, it's what i will try do to soon
May 25 20:16:47 <nextime> :P
May 25 20:16:54 <nextime> s/is/if/
May 25 20:18:04 <riskable> What the heck are these .bbapend files?
May 25 20:18:42 <cbrake> riskable: that append to bb files with the same name
May 25 20:19:04 <riskable> cbrake: Ahh, so I assume I'm getting those errors because there's no .bb file to append to
May 25 20:19:09 <nextime> streetuff : i never tryed yet on the bone, but if is the same dsp that there is on the beagleboard-xm, you can't do it
May 25 20:19:19 <nextime> as the h264 codecs aren't released
May 25 20:19:20 <riskable> How does that happen?  I didn't delete anything
May 25 20:19:33 <nextime> dsp is working, but you can't encode to h264 without a working codec
May 25 20:19:42 <_troll_> there is no dsp on the bone
May 25 20:19:44 <cbrake> riskable: what is you setup?
May 25 20:20:10 <nextime> _troll_ : no dsp? ok, i will discover that tonight :P
May 25 20:20:13 <riskable> cbrake: I cloned setup-scripts and I'm running: MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake cloud9-image
May 25 20:20:20 <nextime> anyway, i have to do something i hope enough simple
May 25 20:20:21 <nextime> :D
May 25 20:20:36 <riskable> I had to fix netbase, debianutils, and screen.  Now I'm at the point where I'm getting those .bbappend errors
May 25 20:20:39 <nextime> i don't really need a dsp to do that in my opinion
May 25 20:21:03 <cbrake> riskable: hmm, seems that should work
May 25 20:21:21 <cbrake> riskable: is there any chance that you updated one of the layers, and not the others?
May 25 20:21:35 <riskable> I ran oebb.sh update?
May 25 20:25:07 <cbrake> riskable: I'm thinking meta-openembedded is not current: https://gist.github.com/2790382
May 25 20:27:17 <cbrake> riskable: perhaps try a manual git pull in the meta-openembedded dir
May 25 20:27:24 <riskable> OK
May 25 20:27:51 <riskable> Says its up-to-date
May 25 20:33:00 <cbrake> riskable: what does "find -name "*qt4-embedded*" in your source dir return?
May 25 20:34:09 * nextime try to fix a kernel boot issue on the beaglebone by chrooting in the filesystem of the bone from a running beagleboard-xm
May 25 20:34:11 <nextime> :P
May 25 20:34:19 <riskable> cbrake: It shows this:  https://gist.github.com/2790325
May 25 20:35:26 <cbrake> riskable: what does "git remote -v" return in the meta-openembedded dir?
May 25 20:35:54 <riskable> origin  git://github.com/openembedded/meta-oe.git (fetch)
May 25 20:35:54 <riskable> origin  git://github.com/openembedded/meta-oe.git (push)
May 25 20:38:03 <cbrake> riskable: it looks lik the github mirror of OE is outdated
May 25 20:38:09 <riskable> Ahh
May 25 20:38:22 <cbrake> riskable: you could do something like:
May 25 20:38:30 <cbrake> git remote add oe git://git.openembedded.org/meta-openembedded
May 25 20:38:33 <cbrake> git fetch oe
May 25 20:38:37 <cbrake> git merge oe/master
May 25 20:38:42 <cbrake> (in the meta-openembedded) dir
May 25 20:38:49 <riskable> Yep, I understand
May 25 20:39:51 <prpplague> cbrake: hey bud, long time no see
May 25 20:39:57 <prpplague> cbrake: how the heck are you?
May 25 20:40:07 <cbrake> prpplague: doing pretty well!  and you?
May 25 20:40:30 <prpplague> cbrake: i like to complain, but i'm doing well
May 25 20:41:02 <cbrake> riskable: looking at the history of the github mirror and oe git repo, they look the same
May 25 20:41:12 <cbrake> riskable: puzzling
May 25 20:41:27 <cbrake> prpplague: what are you working on these days?
May 25 20:41:49 * prpplague is contracting with TI for omap4 and omap5 special projects
May 25 20:43:17 <cbrake> prpplague: good deal -- I'm still working on planters, BGA rework machines, and a multichannel cellular gateway ...
May 25 20:43:29 <cbrake> prpplague: all use TI OMAP class cpus (or will soon)
May 25 20:43:30 <prpplague> ahh dandy
May 25 20:43:35 <prpplague> :)
May 25 20:56:25 <riskable> Ugh, I give up.  I'm never going to be able to build an Angstrom image.  There's too many manual steps that aren't covered in the documentation.  Too many things broken
May 25 20:57:02 <riskable> ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-depmod'
May 25 21:00:12 <riskable> Wait: If I'm building for the beaglebone should I be using "MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh config beagleboard"?
May 25 21:00:59 <cbrake> riskable: I use a slightly different build setup: http://cgit.bec-systems.com/cgit.cgi/oe-build-core/
May 25 21:01:26 <cbrake> riskable: is seems that something is not right because I'm using roughly the same bits and not seeing a lot of these issues
May 25 21:01:53 <riskable> cbrake: I highly recommend blowing away your downloads directory and trying again.  You'll find there's lots of things that just don't exist on the net anymore
May 25 21:03:16 <riskable> cbrake: Using your method should I use "oe_setup beagleboard" or "oe_setup beaglebone" (is there even a beaglebone option?)
May 25 21:03:39 <cbrake> riskable: I'll start a clean build now of cloud9-image and see what happens
May 25 21:03:59 <riskable> Just make sure you clear out (or move out of the way temporarily) your downloads dir
May 25 21:04:09 <riskable> That will ensure you're downloading everything fresh
May 25 21:04:20 <cbrake> oe_setup beaglebone should work (or any supported machine)
May 25 21:04:23 <riskable> I predict you'll get 404s for netbase, debianutils, and screen
May 25 21:04:29 <cbrake> riskable: yes, I'll start with no downloads
May 25 21:06:50 <riskable> OK, I'm doing a "bitbake systemd-image" following the directions from the oe-build-core README.  If that is successful I'll try the cloud9-image
May 25 21:07:01 <riskable> I'm going to go watch the kids for a few hours, put them to bed, then I'll be back
May 25 21:09:58 <woglinde> riskable setup-scripts its now on github
May 25 21:10:18 <woglinde> meta-angstroem too
May 25 21:10:26 <koen> wmat: if I had a nickel for everytime I said "like elinux?" this week on the beagle list, I'd have an icescream by now
May 25 21:11:23 <prpplague> koen: hehe
May 25 21:11:34 <KeatonT> Hello
May 25 21:11:34 <woglinde> koen changes always gets the troll out
May 25 21:12:42 <mranostay> not good to bottle that stuff up
May 25 21:12:53 <woglinde> remove faster you damn xfs fs
May 25 21:12:59 <mranostay> you'll turn into mru or _av500__ if you do
May 25 21:13:51 <koen> woglinde: you can manually unlink the node
May 25 21:14:03 <koen> woglinde: but never *ever* run an fsck type of operation after that
May 25 21:14:55 <woglinde> koen its only slow with lot of small files
May 25 21:15:13 <woglinde> but was faster with that some years ago
May 25 21:15:50 <koen> fedoras kernel had a broken xfs for 2 releases, so I'm on ext4 now
May 25 21:17:37 <koen> prpplague: people keep saying things like "we need a wiki to store knowledge on all this embedded and beagle stuff"
May 25 21:17:55 <prpplague> hehe
May 25 21:18:29 <koen> prpplague: I'll be in the US the week of the 11th
May 25 21:18:58 <koen> with a trip to the left coast as well, so I'm not sure when I'll be in dallas
May 25 21:19:50 <prpplague> koen: okie dokie
May 25 21:20:00 <prpplague> koen: boss lady leaves for barbados on the 16th
May 25 21:21:40 <prpplague> koen: what are the folks saying when you respond about elinux?
May 25 21:23:13 <nextime> uff
May 25 21:23:20 <nextime> ok, i need to build my own kernel for the bone
May 25 21:23:31 <koen> prpplague: crickets
May 25 21:23:40 <prpplague> koen: weird
May 25 21:23:55 <prpplague> koen: we got a bunch of push back from the openocd folks about using elinux for docs as well
May 25 21:24:09 <koen> I still loathe wikis
May 25 21:24:16 <koen> but I hate forums even more
May 25 21:24:18 <prpplague> koen: it isn;t for everyone
May 25 21:24:38 <prpplague> koen: but openocd has no official wiki
May 25 21:25:12 <koen> some people get all OCD about wikis
May 25 21:25:38 <nextime> is anyone using a kernel from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/precise-armhf/ on the bone?
May 25 21:33:41 <nextime> koen : i hate forums too, ml are so easy...
May 25 21:36:13 <woglinde> nextime you are using 6 hours the week to find informations in ml's again and again?
May 25 21:36:25 <fiola> But forums are so laden with comedy!  The fanbois on the Raspberry Pi forum are absolutely without peer anywhere in the world!
May 25 21:36:28 <fiola> :P
May 25 21:37:40 <nextime> woglinde : no, i just use the search function of my MUA and eventually grep in terminal in the maildir
May 25 21:38:28 <nextime> woglinde : i love ml cause i have a lot of them in a coherent manner in my client, all in the same way
May 25 21:38:41 <_troll_> but looking at page 13 of a 3 years old ph0rum thread is so much easier
May 25 21:38:53 <nextime> and i have forums cause i don't like to have 10000 different account, 100000 different gui to use, a browser to be opened and so on.
May 25 21:38:54 <fiola> koen: what's wrong with wikis?  They have no competition whatsoever for communities working on documentation.  Nothing else comes even close.
May 25 21:39:23 <nextime> on forum you need to search info, on ml info get in your inbox
May 25 21:39:25 <nextime> :)
May 25 21:39:44 <nextime> and on ml, you can even use google to search if they have a web gui too.
May 25 21:40:34 <mranostay> god the weekend needs to start :)
May 25 21:40:35 <fiola> That's just presentation.  There's no reason why a wiki shouldn't send you an email with the latest view for each page you watch.
May 25 21:40:38 <_troll_> and on ph0rums you get to know who's a level 8 warrior-priest with 100 bazillion posts, MLs can't do that either
May 25 21:41:06 <nextime> finally, got my bone booting
May 25 21:41:10 <woglinde> o.O
May 25 21:41:31 <woglinde> _troll_ you can write an easy script to make this stat for ml too
May 25 21:41:38 <mranostay> O.o
May 25 21:42:01 <_troll_> woglinde: can the script also create animated japanese-comic-book-style user images?
May 25 21:42:09 <woglinde> anyway I dont waste my local disk space for ml's
May 25 21:42:29 <nextime> fiola : wiki are ok in my opinion, but... a wiki for beagle* already exists, it's the one on elinux.org
May 25 21:42:30 <koen> fiola: I've had wikis I looked after gettings "improved" by people not knowing what they were doing
May 25 21:42:37 <_troll_> and add signatures listing the user's hardware down to the last nut and bolt?
May 25 21:43:09 <koen> fiola: especially in a niche market like embedded accurate info is at a premium
May 25 21:43:32 <woglinde> hm
May 25 21:43:45 <fiola> koen: Welcome to "revert".  And although sometimes it leads to revert wars, ultimately whoever is right triumphs.
May 25 21:43:56 <koen> fiola: I did that
May 25 21:44:00 <fiola> :P
May 25 21:44:16 <koen> fiola: then I got too burned out that let the wiki rot
May 25 21:44:17 <_troll_> btw, has anyone here installed a hardened distro on their bone?
May 25 21:44:31 <woglinde> hardended?
May 25 21:44:33 <nextime> _troll_ : i'm trying to install a custom debian
May 25 21:44:47 <woglinde> oh my god
May 25 21:44:50 <mranostay> troll baiting?
May 25 21:44:58 <fiola> Yeah, one can get burned.  But even so, it's the best that humanity has some up with so far so community update of single resources.
May 25 21:45:18 <fiola> for* community
May 25 21:45:30 <koen> fiola: it is, but just like democracy it can fail miserably
May 25 21:45:45 <_troll_> and usually does
May 25 21:45:51 <_troll_> just like democracy
May 25 21:45:56 <fiola> I wouldn't say "fail miserably", but I would agree that it's sometimes painful
May 25 21:46:07 * fiola nods
May 25 21:46:23 <nextime> so, the kernel boot, the initrd start working... and then hangs.
May 25 21:46:26 <nextime> uff!
May 25 21:46:44 <_troll_> and as in uffish thought he stood...
May 25 21:47:03 <woglinde> hm
May 25 21:47:05 <woglinde> DISTRO 'angstrom-v2012.05' not found. Please set a valid DISTRO in your local.conf
May 25 21:47:08 <woglinde> hm hm
May 25 21:47:34 <fiola> Just like freedom.  Being free means that sometimes you will hear what you absolutely don't want to hear.  And you HAVE to accept that, or you are not free.
May 25 21:48:12 <_troll_> how does that relate to wikis?
May 25 21:48:23 <fiola> _troll: crap wiki updates
May 25 21:48:25 <koen> fiola: I've settled for keeping the important angstrom docs behind lock and key
May 25 21:48:43 <koen> fiola: so when does are wrong due to bitrot there are only a handfull of people to blame
May 25 21:49:00 <_troll_> koen: do we need to sing an nda to see them?
May 25 21:49:00 <nextime> fiola: no, freedom is also the fact that i can choice to not accept that
May 25 21:49:01 <nextime> :D
May 25 21:49:10 <koen> pages for build instructions are notirious
May 25 21:49:23 <koen> people can't resist adding anecdotal notes
May 25 21:49:45 <djlewis> lets all sing the nda song
May 25 21:49:51 <koen> which is well intented, but grows like cancer
May 25 21:49:53 <_troll_> you _must_ use C/H/S setting foo for the beagle to boot
May 25 21:50:00 <nextime> oh!
May 25 21:50:03 <nextime> it's just slow
May 25 21:50:06 <nextime> but it is booting!
May 25 21:50:08 <nextime> yeah
May 25 21:50:14 <woglinde> koen haha I spot some funny in angstrom-v2012.x.conf
May 25 21:50:17 <_troll_> djlewis: remind me of the words
May 25 21:50:24 <woglinde> #@DESCRIPTION: The Linux Distribution for Kernel 2.6 based devices
May 25 21:50:29 <fiola> nextime: you cannot choose to not accept that (and still remain free).  What you can choose to do is to filter it out ****at your end****.  It still continues at the public end though.
May 25 21:50:50 <fiola> One can always choose to imprison oneself.
May 25 21:51:08 <nextime> fiola : yes, and you can also fight it :)
May 25 21:51:22 <nextime> wihout any filter
May 25 21:52:28 <fiola> Sure.  But then you're in with the rest of us, witnessing those things we don't personally like, and trying to influence them, but being only one contributing party.  That's freedom.
May 25 21:53:06 <nextime> uhmm
May 25 21:53:16 <nextime> how is clocked the bone when powered from usb?
May 25 21:53:17 <djlewis> _troll_: 99 nda forms on the desk, 99 nda forms... sign one off, move it away, 98 nda forms on the desk :)
May 25 21:53:31 <nextime> it seems to be sooooo slow
May 25 21:53:33 <fiola> Hahahaha djl
May 25 21:53:54 <nextime> ( but maybe it's de uSD?
May 25 21:53:55 <nextime> )
May 25 21:54:19 <_troll_> yeah, the USD isn't performing very well these days
May 25 21:54:31 <djlewis> its almost beer:30 here in central Arkansas  :)
May 25 21:54:34 <nextime> _troll_ : heh, better than euros
May 25 21:54:34 <nextime> :D
May 25 21:54:40 <fiola> Like DMCA takedown requests.  It was on Slashdot yesterday that Google received 1/4 million DMCA takedown notices A WEEK.  It humanity screwed up or what ....
May 25 21:54:52 <fiola> receives*
May 25 21:54:53 <_troll_> yes
May 25 21:54:59 <_troll_> didn't you know?
May 25 21:55:06 <nextime> fiola : i'm happy that DMCA won't apply here
May 25 21:55:07 <nextime> :d
May 25 21:55:21 * _troll_ will emigrate to mars at first opportunity
May 25 21:55:26 <nextime> ( anyway, as the nature of internet, a DMCA takedown has effect also on me )
May 25 21:55:39 <botg> evening y'all.....can anybody give me a hint on how to change the display resolution on a beaglebone with the dvi-d cape?  I'm running the Android 2.3.4 build off of the TI web site.  There seems to be some conflicting opinions on whether it is possible or not?  Thanks for any pointers!
May 25 21:55:50 <fiola> _troll: too centralized.  Asteroids will be more free.
May 25 21:56:45 <STrRedWlf> Back.  Sorry about my delay here.  I got pulled away.
May 25 21:56:58 <mranostay> _troll_: we need a troll on the mars mission?
May 25 21:56:59 <STrRedWlf> Has anyone tried on the origional Beagleboard?
May 25 21:57:07 * nextime 2 minutes from when "Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd." messages is appeared, an then no login
May 25 21:57:32 <STrRedWlf> This is encoding H.264 off of the DSP on the Beagleboard.
May 25 21:58:55 <STrRedWlf> I've seen lots of discussion around Gstreamer on encoding through the DSP but not via FFMPEG
May 25 22:03:43 <nextime> Linux DMQv1 3.2.17-psp12 #1 Tue May 22 20:37:51 UTC 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
May 25 22:03:46 <nextime> WIN!
May 25 22:03:50 <nextime> got it working
May 25 22:04:03 <STrRedWlf> ?
May 25 22:04:56 <nextime> STrRedWlf as i say, i have dsp working ok on beagleboard-xm
May 25 22:05:19 <nextime> BUT you CAN'T do h264 cause the h264 codec isn't released
May 25 22:06:16 <nextime> with others work great, but no way for h264 except if you are an OEM that can pay a lot of money to TI probably
May 25 22:06:58 <nextime> STrRedWlf : anyway, yes, the dsp is working only with gstreamer, not ffmpeg cause it doesn't have the dsp support
May 25 22:07:07 <STrRedWlf> Ugh.  Great.  Was hoping for 720p 30fps or greater encoding onto an iPhone.
May 25 22:07:24 <STrRedWlf> And was hoping for ffmpeg/libav as well.
May 25 22:07:43 <STrRedWlf> I mean, it's been what, 3 years?
May 25 22:08:44 <STrRedWlf> Heh... It'll be funny if I can build a shield to do it from the x264 code.
May 25 22:08:54 <nextime> STrRedWlf : heh, i was hoping to do the same ( 720p h264 on dsp with ffmpeg )
May 25 22:09:10 <nextime> but no way to do that on a beagleboard dsp in h264 and with ffmpeg
May 25 22:09:17 <_troll_> 720p h264 encode on beagle is not possible
May 25 22:09:40 <nextime> _troll_ : is possible only if you have dsp codecs for h264
May 25 22:09:41 <nextime> :P
May 25 22:09:56 <_troll_> the xm is barely fast enough to *decode* h264 720p30
May 25 22:10:12 <_troll_> encoding is orders of magnitude more complex
May 25 22:10:16 <STrRedWlf> Yeah.  I'm re-encoding some video to AppleTV 2nd gen specs and on a Core 2 duo it's only doing 10-15 fps.
May 25 22:10:35 <nextime> _troll_ : on the dsp you can do it. but... no way to do h264 with no h264 codec...
May 25 22:10:49 <_troll_> no, not on the dsp either
May 25 22:10:53 <_troll_> the dsp cannot do magic
May 25 22:11:24 <nextime> _troll_ : i'm not sure about, with other codecs encoding hd things is using just 50% of the dsp
May 25 22:11:50 <nextime> so, i bet with the right codec it can do also h264, anyway, i have no h264 codec so, i cannot say it for sure
May 25 22:12:13 <_troll_> what codecs can do 720p using only half the dsp?
May 25 22:13:03 <nextime> _troll_ : mpeg4, for example
May 25 22:13:30 <_troll_> then the quality muxt be shit
May 25 22:13:33 <_troll_> *must
May 25 22:14:33 <nextime> _troll_ : really i can't say more as i have no done more tests as wit no h264 it wasn't usefull for me, anyway, no matter, h264 is a no go, s...
May 25 22:14:36 <nextime> so...
May 25 22:15:59 <nextime> uhmmm
May 25 22:16:21 * nextime needs a battery for the rtc of the bone
May 25 22:17:19 <STrRedWlf> Oh well, it was worth asking.
May 25 22:17:21 <STrRedWlf> Catcha later.
May 25 22:18:37 <woglinde> battery is overrated
May 25 22:19:34 <_troll_> time is overrated
May 25 22:20:09 <djlewis> rtc = real tick catcher?
May 25 22:20:23 <_troll_> reality is overrated
May 25 22:20:51 <djlewis> _troll_:  how are you this late evening?
May 25 22:21:02 <_troll_> overrated
May 25 22:21:23 <djlewis> hmm . . . did the barmaid quit?
May 25 22:21:25 <woglinde> time is folded
May 25 22:22:50 <mranostay> _troll_: you are the weirdo with the laptop at a bar aren't you? :)
May 25 22:23:16 <_troll_> I *never* bring a laptop to a bar
May 25 22:24:14 <nextime> ok, all is working, for tonight my work on the bone is over
May 25 22:24:22 <nextime> :)
May 25 22:24:35 <woglinde> good I dont own a bone
May 25 23:11:55 <cbrake> riskable: package cloud9-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: Started
May 25 23:12:00 <cbrake> riskable: this is from my existing build dir
May 25 23:12:07 <cbrake> riskable: clean build is still rolling on systemd-image
May 25 23:13:00 <cboyd1> my mouse and keyboard are not working using the systemd-gnome-image on the beagleboard xm.  Does anyone have any ideas what wrong?
May 25 23:26:20 <riskable> cbrake: My own laptop is on task 1288 of 3388
May 26 00:38:48 <riskable> task 2048 of 3388'
May 26 00:38:52 <riskable> Making progress
May 26 00:40:02 <riskable> How fast of a system would I need in order for the build to complete in under an hour?
May 26 00:43:10 <mranostay> _troll_: make it stop!
May 26 00:58:54 <riskable> So what can I do to make Gate One better for the Beaglebone, Beagleboard, or any other embedded system?
May 26 01:10:26 <cbrake> cboyd1: saw the same thing today
May 26 01:10:33 <cbrake> cboyd1: not sure what is wrong
May 26 01:11:42 <cbrake> riskable: under an hour, probably 8 cores and some fast disks.  I have a 6 core and I'm probably looking at a 2-3 hours for cloud9 image
May 26 01:12:04 <riskable> cbrake: Yeah, I thought there wasn't a magic bullet
May 26 01:32:31 <riskable> I'm tempted to just bring a beefy new Rackspace or Amazon server online just for building these images
May 26 01:32:54 <riskable> Any distcc-like functionality built into the bitbake tool?
May 26 01:35:22 <cbrake> riskable: I don't know any reason distcc would not work, but I've never used it.  AWS would probably be cost effective for OE builds as you would only have it running when doing a build
May 26 01:36:17 <riskable> Yeah...  I could even setup the boot scripts to do git pulls, bitbake everything I want, and then run page_me.sh :)
May 26 01:37:02 <riskable> It'll be my build distro or BISTRO
May 26 01:38:12 <cbrake> cloud9-image rootfs phase failed with: Error: max_leb_cnt too low (2088 needed)
May 26 01:38:21 <cbrake> appears to be some type of ubifs issue
May 26 01:49:50 <riskable> Strange, that's new to me
May 26 01:50:20 <riskable> My laptop is still on task 2371 of 3388 on systemd-image :)
May 26 01:54:24 <snowrichard> hi
May 26 02:08:00 <riskable> I'm sure this is possible but I have no idea how to do it...  How do I get my Beaglebone emulating a USB mouse and moving the cursor around?  I assume I need it to act as a USB HID using the HID gadget
May 26 02:46:20 <KeatonT> Anyone here got eagle cad experience?
May 26 02:46:31 <KeatonT> I'd like someone to look at my eagle files and make sure my designs are good.
May 26 02:57:47 <mranostay> KeatonT: i'm learning and using it
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