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Jun 06 03:48:09 <_kosta_> Hi All! Does anyone have a c/c++ example to use PWM on beaglebone (not beagleboard!) via registers (mmap and a such)? I found one for beagleboard, but because PWM (and register addresses)  function differently, of course, it doesn't work :) Also, please don't send me to userspace (aka files)...
Jun 06 04:25:09 <Borillion> whats EXPERT here in,   Depends on: !S390 && INPUT [=y] && INPUT_TOUCHSCREEN [=y] && TOUCHSCREEN_USB_EGALAX [=y] && EXPERT
Jun 06 05:14:51 <Borillion>  I can't tell if its just me or if some of the icons like borwser and sound recorder are not perfectly round and slightly oval on landscape, the screen is set on 1024 x 720 on a 7" display
Jun 06 07:31:02 <stuk_gen> hi all, i see i haven't a libgcc_s.so.1 in my /usr/lib so is there  a packet to install that?
Jun 06 07:32:51 <aholler> have a look at /lib
Jun 06 07:34:13 <aholler> package is mlocate ;)
Jun 06 07:34:33 <stuk_gen> aholler: yes here there is...but what is the path in system path?
Jun 06 07:34:44 <stuk_gen> usr/lib and /lib?
Jun 06 07:35:07 <aholler> sorry, can't follow
Jun 06 07:35:41 <stuk_gen> what is the path where an executable look? /usr/lib only?
Jun 06 07:35:48 <aholler> no
Jun 06 07:35:53 <stuk_gen> search some shared libraryes
Jun 06 07:36:11 <stuk_gen> is there a command to know these path?
Jun 06 07:36:48 <aholler> sure
Jun 06 07:37:19 <aholler> /lib/ld-linux.so.3
Jun 06 07:41:37 <aholler> maybe you should describe your problem in detail as it sound like an xy-problem
Jun 06 07:47:21 <stuk_gen> aholler: ok
Jun 06 07:47:47 <stuk_gen> aholler: i have a program that can't run because can't find a function in a shared library
Jun 06 07:48:08 <stuk_gen> aholler: so i try  if i have install all libraries that program need
Jun 06 07:48:32 <LetoThe2nd> sounds more like "recompile it and correctly link it."
Jun 06 07:49:04 <stuk_gen> but the problem is that i don't know what is the library that the program need
Jun 06 07:49:16 <stuk_gen> so i read about readelf
Jun 06 07:49:58 <aholler> ldd is usually used for that
Jun 06 07:50:03 <aholler> ldd yourfoo
Jun 06 07:50:30 <stuk_gen> ok i trying ldd
Jun 06 07:50:56 <stuk_gen> aholler: o sorry i haven't a program
Jun 06 07:51:09 <stuk_gen> i have a plugin that load some libraryes
Jun 06 07:51:19 <stuk_gen> its a .so
Jun 06 07:51:26 <aholler> ldd yourfoo.so
Jun 06 07:51:43 <stuk_gen> its says is not a dinamic executable
Jun 06 07:51:55 <aholler> file yourfoo.so
Jun 06 07:52:41 <stuk_gen> ELF 32-bit LSB sahred object ARM version 1 SYSV dynamically linked not stripped
Jun 06 07:53:03 <aholler> use ldd on the beagle, not elsewhere
Jun 06 07:53:14 <stuk_gen> i haven't ldd on beagle
Jun 06 07:54:06 <koen> if you build it with angstrom the ipk will automatically get all the needed shlib deps
Jun 06 07:54:22 <koen> unless it's dlopen()ed of course
Jun 06 07:54:28 <stuk_gen> yes i build with angstrom but ldd there isn't
Jun 06 07:54:33 <stuk_gen> i can install from opkg?
Jun 06 07:55:35 <koen> that is what opkg is for, managing packages
Jun 06 07:56:43 <stuk_gen> opkg install ldd
Jun 06 07:58:12 <koen> opkg install yourpackage
Jun 06 08:00:59 <aholler> I guess he's playing with flash ;)
Jun 06 08:01:31 <LetoThe2nd> aholler: gordon?
Jun 06 08:01:47 * LetoThe2nd goes searching that old queen LP.
Jun 06 08:02:54 <stuk_gen> lol
Jun 06 08:03:10 <stuk_gen> ldd is the same as /lib/ld-linux.so.3
Jun 06 08:03:28 <stuk_gen> ok this command get me a list of a plugin that load
Jun 06 08:03:52 <stuk_gen> what i have to look? if some is not found get me an error?
Jun 06 08:04:23 <aholler> beagle ~ # file /usr/bin/ldd
Jun 06 08:04:23 <aholler> /usr/bin/ldd: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable
Jun 06 08:04:49 <stuk_gen> aholler: what?
Jun 06 08:05:25 <lzr> About DCAN communication development Based on AM3359 processor
Jun 06 08:05:57 <lzr> Hi，engineers
Jun 06 08:06:12 <stuk_gen> this is what i receive http://pastebin.com/GWVvEGN2
Jun 06 08:06:25 <lzr> During develop CAN communication based on am3359 processor, the following questions happened, ask for help!
Jun 06 08:08:16 <lzr> The D_CAN  driver that I used is from the kernel of official website ，don't make any changes.The compilation of the driver is according to http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/DCAN_Driver_Guide#Statistics_of_CAN
Jun 06 08:10:30 <lzr> I use insmod command:root@am335x-evm:/opt# insmod d_can.ko,root@am335x-evm:/opt# insmod d_can_platform.ko. So that's prove that driver install is successful?
Jun 06 08:12:42 <lzr> can0: failed to start
Jun 06 08:13:10 <lzr> root@am335x-evm:/opt# canconfig can0 start
Jun 06 08:13:19 <lzr> Cannot find device "can0"
Jun 06 08:14:20 <aholler> have a look at dmesg
Jun 06 08:14:44 <aholler> and use modprobe, not insmod
Jun 06 08:15:43 <lzr> I also put  d_can.ko、d_can_platform.ko into "lib/mudules/kernel", use modprobe command is successful, but also can't find device.
Jun 06 08:20:21 <lzr> I use  "cat /proc/devices "commond, can't find d_can device ID
Jun 06 08:25:51 <koen> lzr: contact your TI rep, we only support beaglebone
Jun 06 08:28:23 <lzr> Following is TI's answer:"Sorry,Beagleboard is not supported by TI Asia Product Information Center,we only support the TI's EVM board and we don't have the Beagleboard borad's hardware and software.
Jun 06 08:28:49 <av500> the beagleboard has CAN?
Jun 06 08:29:03 <av500> lzr: what hardware do you have?
Jun 06 08:29:59 <lzr> beaglebone ($89)
Jun 06 08:30:25 <av500> koen: you support the bone?
Jun 06 08:30:31 <lzr> beaglebone  has two CAN
Jun 06 08:32:41 <aholler> support wars ;)
Jun 06 08:33:30 <av500> aholler: support war's...
Jun 06 08:34:40 <aholler> bone CAN't
Jun 06 08:35:26 <koen> lzr: so use angstrom, that has working CAN on the beaglebone
Jun 06 08:35:49 <mru> the bone comes in a can of sorts...
Jun 06 08:36:17 <av500> bone can can and can in a can
Jun 06 08:36:28 <aholler> all those necromants
Jun 06 08:37:12 <aholler> let them rest in peace in a grave ;)
Jun 06 08:38:25 <lzr> Do you have any guide about CAN driver of  beaglebone?Please give me ,I will develop it by myself!
Jun 06 08:42:30 <av500> no need
Jun 06 08:42:36 <av500> angstrom has a working can driver
Jun 06 08:49:37 <lautriv> what may i miss if login via serial console tells me "Unable to determine your tty name." where ttyS0 is built into kernel, /proc exists, /etc/passwd|shadow|securetty are in place ? ( can't compare to other tty or ssh due to keyboardless and new image)
Jun 06 08:53:55 <koen> av500: PM time again
Jun 06 08:54:24 <av500> ph0rum url please
Jun 06 08:54:29 <koen> lzr: sending PMs is useless, do what av500 and I said and engage your brain, we won't do your homework for you
Jun 06 08:56:49 <aholler> and I had the hope you've found out that pm is the cause for the usb-problem ;)
Jun 06 08:59:39 <lzr> Do you have any guide about CAN driver of  beaglebone?Please give me ,I will develop it by myself!
Jun 06 09:02:20 <av500> [10:42:30] <av500> no need
Jun 06 09:02:21 <av500> [10:42:36] <av500> angstrom has a working can driver
Jun 06 09:03:02 <LetoThe2nd> hm, happy firday anyone by the way.
Jun 06 09:03:27 <ipersite> hi everybody
Jun 06 09:03:49 <ipersite> yesterday i asked you a question but nobody answered...
Jun 06 09:03:59 <av500> outrageous!
Jun 06 09:04:59 <ipersite> ok, so where i can get a working kernel for the beaglebone?
Jun 06 09:05:12 <ipersite> the one in ubuntu omap doesn't work
Jun 06 09:05:32 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Jun 06 09:05:32 <av500> angstrom has a working kernel
Jun 06 09:05:45 <av500> the angstrom website even talks about it
Jun 06 09:05:47 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: ml, u-boot, kernel, everything.
Jun 06 09:05:48 <av500> and other things
Jun 06 09:07:10 <ipersite> ok. i'm unfamiliar with this type of operations as i don't work on embedded often
Jun 06 09:07:46 <ipersite> my situation: copied the ubuntu image on the sd card. i have 2 partitions
Jun 06 09:07:56 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: then it might be helpful to actually read the rest of the text on the given page, as it explains pretty good howto install things.
Jun 06 09:08:01 <ipersite> which file i need to replace?
Jun 06 09:08:19 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: mind - there is no official ubuntu support on the bone.
Jun 06 09:08:47 <av500> use angstrom
Jun 06 09:08:57 <av500> and the bone is not an OMAP
Jun 06 09:09:03 <av500> so ubuntu for omap wont work
Jun 06 09:09:28 <ipersite> it's not helpful. if i follow the guide i overwrite ubuntu with angstrom
Jun 06 09:09:35 <ipersite> what's the bone so?
Jun 06 09:09:38 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: yeah, using angstrom is way easier if you are inexperienced. there's a slightly more complicated wa to use debian here: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone
Jun 06 09:09:48 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: and for ubuntu, you're mostly on your own.
Jun 06 09:10:17 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: or at least, see http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
Jun 06 09:10:53 <LetoThe2nd> in fact the latter one should indeed be pretty helpful.
Jun 06 09:11:03 <ipersite> i already checked the last link, not helpful because it shows how to manual install ubuntu
Jun 06 09:11:18 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: well what do you expect?
Jun 06 09:11:31 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: a one-click automagic installer?
Jun 06 09:11:45 <aholler> thats the spirit
Jun 06 09:11:49 <ipersite> currently angstrom has this type of installer.
Jun 06 09:11:56 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: no.
Jun 06 09:12:00 <ipersite> yes.
Jun 06 09:12:06 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: no. angstrom has no installer.
Jun 06 09:12:22 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: angstrom has a ready made image. thats something completely different.
Jun 06 09:12:24 <ipersite> a gzipped image to copy is like an installer.
Jun 06 09:13:15 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: like i told you, ubuntu does not officially support the beaglebone, hence there is no readymade image. and from 12.10 on, ubuntu will not suplly complete images anymore anyways
Jun 06 09:13:38 <ipersite> ok thank you.
Jun 06 09:14:05 <LetoThe2nd> ipersite: you can maybe try the omap3 netinstaller, though i seriously doubt it will work.
Jun 06 09:14:21 <ipersite> the kernel won't work
Jun 06 09:14:38 <ipersite> you said: Bone is not OMAP
Jun 06 09:15:15 <LetoThe2nd> it might be possible to beat it into shape. but again: no 1-click copy-paste thing for you there.
Jun 06 09:15:18 <ipersite> anyway, I'll keep the Angstrom and do many patches...
Jun 06 09:15:20 <av500> maybe ubuntu for the bone runs under the "omap" name
Jun 06 09:15:22 <av500> no idea
Jun 06 09:15:33 <av500> as said, use angstrom
Jun 06 09:15:49 <ipersite> what's the bone so? omap3?
Jun 06 09:16:24 <LetoThe2nd> or debian, or ubuntu, but without said 1-click-installer. IMHO rcn did a pretty decent job at preparing everything, you just need to actually read and follow the instructions.
Jun 06 09:16:25 <aholler> just use /lib/modules and uImage from angstrom for your ubuntu
Jun 06 09:16:39 <ipersite> aholler: thank you
Jun 06 09:16:52 <ipersite> aholler: that's what i need to know..
Jun 06 09:17:02 <aholler> thats basic knowledge
Jun 06 09:17:27 <aholler> a kernel consists of the kernel and its modules
Jun 06 09:17:28 <ipersite> aholler: i'm unfamiliar with it.
Jun 06 09:17:35 <LetoThe2nd> oO( complainigng about http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu, but wanting to distro-port kernel and modules? good luck. )
Jun 06 09:18:27 <ipersite> i had no time to check what's on the partitions but i saw uImage, MLO, vmlinuz, ecc.
Jun 06 09:18:55 <ipersite> no, vmlinuz is not present ):
Jun 06 09:19:01 <ipersite> * :)
Jun 06 09:19:02 <aholler> ipersite: if you go embedded you need to learn how to compile and install a kernel.
Jun 06 09:19:21 <ipersite> i know how to do it on a computer
Jun 06 09:19:30 <ipersite> i386 or x86_64
Jun 06 09:28:48 <lautriv> ipersite, so next step is to use a cross-toolchain
Jun 06 09:29:09 <ipersite> lautriv: i'm actually recompiling angstrom
Jun 06 09:29:32 <ipersite> and doing some changes to fit my needs
Jun 06 09:30:06 <lautriv> anyone a light idea about my ttyS issue ?
Jun 06 09:30:32 <av500> lautriv: stock angstrom?
Jun 06 09:31:06 <aholler> lautriv: just use init=/bin/sh
Jun 06 09:32:13 <lautriv> aholler, *facepalm* why was this not my own idea ?
Jun 06 09:32:44 <aholler> because your are plenking? ;)
Jun 06 09:35:00 <lautriv> aholler, rather i doubt to get a shell when it complains about the ttyS but anyway, it's in kernel and overrides /sbin/init......so worth a try.
Jun 06 09:35:28 <LetoThe2nd> lacking devtmpfs, maybe?
Jun 06 09:35:57 <aholler> or devpts
Jun 06 09:38:11 <lautriv> devtmpfs is there, can't tell about /dev/pts due to the lack of access. right now tweaking something to /bin/sh and will hopefully see something.
Jun 06 10:17:22 <lautriv> aholler, failed :(
Jun 06 10:45:35 <aholler> lautriv: something says "failed"?
Jun 06 10:52:02 <lautriv> aholler, strange behaviour et all, init=/bin/sh wont obey and still called /sbin/init, so i did testwise a symlink from /sbin/init to /bin/sh. got message about " stopped job control" which is usual but ttyS were completely ignored.
Jun 06 10:53:09 <lautriv> aholler, i remember to have this isssue years ago and it was something very simple but i can't remember.
Jun 06 10:54:24 <lpi> wazup!
Jun 06 10:55:02 <dm8tbr> not mucken futch
Jun 06 10:55:45 <mru> hibernating while awaiting friday?
Jun 06 10:56:12 <tikku> hi all
Jun 06 10:56:42 <tikku> i need a quick help in connecting my camera.
Jun 06 10:56:53 <tikku> is there anyone available here?
Jun 06 10:57:01 <dm8tbr> mru: sora, yeah
Jun 06 10:57:15 <dm8tbr> tikku: quick help: plug it in
Jun 06 10:57:36 <mru> long version: plug one end of the cable into the camera, the other end into the beagle
Jun 06 10:58:32 <aholler> lautriv: try init="/bin/busybox sh"
Jun 06 10:58:33 <tikku> i am trying to connect my logitech c210 to my beagleboard-xm
Jun 06 10:59:12 <tikku> [ 2311.791503] usb 2-2.4: new high speed USB device using ehci-omap and address 6 [ 2312.056793] usb 2-2.4: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=0819 [ 2312.063720] usb 2-2.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=2 [ 2312.071380] usb 2-2.4: SerialNumber: D8B5DAD0
Jun 06 10:59:29 <tikku> this is the msg that appears in minicom
Jun 06 10:59:50 <tikku> but it is not detecting the device as a uvc camera
Jun 06 10:59:52 <lautriv> aholler, thought about that too, actually i'm copying the whole to another box and will investigate a dig with qemu, saves the part of moving SD cards around.
Jun 06 11:00:45 <tikku> instead /dev/audio1 and /dev/dsp1 are created when connecting the camera
Jun 06 11:01:13 <aholler> then your paste is incomplete
Jun 06 11:01:26 <aholler> use dpaste.com
Jun 06 11:02:00 <aholler> to paste dmesg
Jun 06 11:04:57 <tikku> dm8tbr: oops, actually i plugged it in, the problem is that its not being recognised :)
Jun 06 11:05:24 <dm8tbr> tikku: follow what aholler said!
Jun 06 11:08:21 <tikku> dm8tbr: oh sorry, i ddnt know that message was meant for me. here it is: http://dpaste.com/hold/755914/
Jun 06 11:09:49 <dm8tbr> tikku: which part of 'dmesg' did you miss?
Jun 06 11:11:48 <tikku> actually the dmesg used to show that the device is recognised as a uvc camera.
Jun 06 11:23:52 <aholler> hiding success success messages to still be able to ask questions?
Jun 06 11:25:01 <mru> reminds me of the guy who'd physically turn a monitor upside down, then phone tech support and see how long it took them to figure it out
Jun 06 11:25:17 <mru> of course only giving vague answers to any questions
Jun 06 11:25:53 <aholler> whois gives the answer
Jun 06 11:25:54 <dm8tbr> 'my desktop looks all wrong'
Jun 06 11:26:06 <mru> yes, that would be a good starting point
Jun 06 11:27:18 <dm8tbr> 'my mouse jumps all round the screen and seems erratic'
Jun 06 11:27:42 <mru> or completely neglect to mention anything about the mouse
Jun 06 11:28:45 <dm8tbr> depending on the IT hell-desk they'd probably have him bring in and reinstall the machine, twice
Jun 06 11:30:12 <dm8tbr> btw: if intel gpu software is installed on windows you don't even have to turn the screen around. pressing [ctrl][alt]+[arrow] will turn the screen into the pointed direction
Jun 06 11:30:31 <mru> yeah, my mom's cat did that once
Jun 06 11:31:18 <lautriv> aholler, <solved>
Jun 06 11:33:20 <aholler> please try to use ehci with kernel 3.4.1, you seem to be encouraged ;)
Jun 06 12:24:40 <Crofton|work> erlang hell
Jun 06 12:26:03 <av500> Tegernseer Hell
Jun 06 13:43:01 <eric_> hello everyone
Jun 06 13:45:38 <jkridner__> bye eric_
Jun 06 13:45:43 <jkridner__> gm everyone else.
Jun 06 13:50:08 <aholler> io:fwrite("Hello hell\n").
Jun 06 13:52:40 <LetoThe2nd> aholler: a.k.a. "welcome home everybody"?
Jun 06 13:53:14 <aholler> I've just helped Crofton|work ;)
Jun 06 13:53:51 <LetoThe2nd> aaaaaaah
Jun 06 14:06:35 <angs2> does anyone have debian image for beaglebone?
Jun 06 14:10:04 <LetoThe2nd> angs2: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone
Jun 06 14:10:30 <LetoThe2nd> angs2: there's some small typos and such in the commands, but should certainly get you going.
Jun 06 14:10:40 <angs2> thanks a lot LetoThe2nd
Jun 06 14:23:54 <Crofton|work> jfk, months to port a distribution to a new arm target
Jun 06 14:23:57 <Crofton|work> WTF
Jun 06 14:24:16 <Crofton|work> the native build cultists are bat shit insane
Jun 06 14:24:59 <av500> months to port or to compile?
Jun 06 14:25:14 <Crofton|work> See the john masters video on G+
Jun 06 14:25:35 <mdp> solution: add 10k more rpis to your build farm
Jun 06 14:27:13 <Crofton|work> I am fine with people that feel they need to do native builds
Jun 06 14:27:34 <Crofton|work> but I tire of them making public claims that it is the only solution
Jun 06 14:27:46 <Crofton|work> and saying things that are just plain wrong
Jun 06 14:28:48 <ipersite> ehi, what about reading i2c sensors on the beagle from c/c++?
Jun 06 14:29:07 <koen> Crofton|work: I guess they get payed by the hour
Jun 06 14:29:15 <av500> Crofton|work: ah clever plot to make me watch a utub video
Jun 06 14:29:18 <ipersite> i mean, drivers are installed, i have the files to "cat" to read temperature, etc.
Jun 06 14:29:20 <koen> Crofton|work: you invoice 30 minutes, they 3 months
Jun 06 14:29:22 <Crofton|work> tofl
Jun 06 14:29:25 <Crofton|work> er rofl
Jun 06 14:29:38 <ipersite> anybody knows?
Jun 06 14:29:47 <av500> twitching on the floor laughing...
Jun 06 14:30:13 <av500> a seizure
Jun 06 14:30:21 <koen> bradfa: I'm going to dig up my K&r to do those exercises
Jun 06 14:30:37 <koen> bradfa: I'm spending way too much time in C nowadays, time to finally learn it
Jun 06 14:31:01 <mdp> koen, C is not the beagleboard.org way
Jun 06 14:31:22 <av500> mdp: there is a C in Cloud9
Jun 06 14:31:25 <jkridner__> mdp: why would you pick on C?
Jun 06 14:31:35 <ipersite> ehi does somebody read me?
Jun 06 14:31:42 <mdp> av500, I stand corrected
Jun 06 14:31:52 <av500> ipersite: read yes, understand, not all of it
Jun 06 14:32:15 <ipersite> av500: i have sensors connecteed to the i2c bus
Jun 06 14:32:36 <ipersite> i know how to read them using cat program
Jun 06 14:32:51 <ipersite> cat /sys/class/.../temp0_input
Jun 06 14:32:55 <ipersite> for ex.
Jun 06 14:33:15 <ipersite> what's the correct method to do it in C
Jun 06 14:33:50 <ipersite> because i can fopen the file, read the content and it's ok, but for read it again i need to close the file and reopen it. is it correct?
Jun 06 14:34:19 <koen> yes
Jun 06 14:34:31 <koen> ipersite: read the datasheet for the sensor
Jun 06 14:34:32 <av500> and not a big deal
Jun 06 14:34:44 <koen> ipersite: most sensors can only the reads once a second or slower
Jun 06 14:34:56 <koen> ipersite: they self-heat it you read them too often
Jun 06 14:35:30 <ipersite> koen: no, it's ok about the frequency. i want to know if it's correct to fopen... fread... fclose.
Jun 06 14:35:52 <koen> yes
Jun 06 14:35:54 <ipersite> and why fopen... fread... fseek... fread... etc.
Jun 06 14:36:00 <ipersite> doesn't work
Jun 06 14:36:03 <koen> it's not a regular file
Jun 06 14:36:07 <koen> it's a sysfs entry :)
Jun 06 14:36:55 <ipersite> yes i know... :) can you confirm that opening and closing it doesn't use a lot of resources?
Jun 06 14:37:18 <ipersite> at least, less resources than a regular file
Jun 06 14:37:52 <koen> it's less than 1hz, so no problems at all
Jun 06 14:37:55 <koen> joelagnel: welcome!
Jun 06 14:38:06 <jkridner__> hi joelagnel!
Jun 06 14:38:21 <joelagnel> hello!
Jun 06 14:38:28 <mdp> wb joelagnel
Jun 06 14:38:44 <ipersite> sometimes it's 20Hz
Jun 06 14:40:32 <joelagnel> will go check if the coffee here still tastes good
Jun 06 14:41:04 <ipersite> koen: do you think 20Hz it's too much?
Jun 06 14:41:19 <ipersite> not for the sensor i mean... for the cpu
Jun 06 14:43:04 <koen> it's ok for the cpu
Jun 06 14:43:13 <koen> but like I said, check the datasheep for your sensor
Jun 06 14:43:29 <Crofton|work> hmm, I seem to have annoyed Jon Masters
Jun 06 14:43:57 <Crofton|work> koenm, how many packages are in the Angstrom feeds for one arch?
Jun 06 14:43:59 <aholler> not only him, do you've ever cross-compiled more than a hundred packages? ;)
Jun 06 14:44:17 <Crofton|work> heh
Jun 06 14:44:18 <koen> Crofton|work: included subpackages?
Jun 06 14:44:30 <Crofton|work> yes
Jun 06 14:44:37 <Crofton|work> not recipes, packages
Jun 06 14:44:46 <Crofton|work> that is what he said :)
Jun 06 14:44:49 <ipersite> koen: the sensor is ok as i have a GPIO connected to it which becomes high when the sensor is ready
Jun 06 14:45:07 <Crofton|work> mind you, I'll let people falme for a few ours before posting
Jun 06 14:45:36 <Crofton|work> I do not want to come across as an angry guy on the internet who lives to erply to threads on social networks
Jun 06 14:45:40 <Crofton|work> and I have work to do
Jun 06 14:45:42 * stuk_gen is crashing his head on the wall
Jun 06 14:45:52 <stuk_gen> its incredible....
Jun 06 14:46:10 <Crofton|work> worst case, if the Fedora build system waorked cross, they could do builds in weeks instead of months
Jun 06 14:46:18 <stuk_gen> modprobe hid-multitouch report hid_multitouch: Unknown symbol usbhid_submit_report (err 0)
Jun 06 14:46:36 <Crofton|work> ok vpning, expect ic to die
Jun 06 14:47:05 <koen> Crofton|work: between 30k and 40k
Jun 06 14:47:27 <Crofton|work> and that is for just say armv7
Jun 06 14:47:32 <koen> armv7a, yes
Jun 06 14:47:33 <Crofton|work> not all archs "supported"
Jun 06 14:47:35 <Crofton|work> ok
Jun 06 14:47:37 <stuk_gen> someone know why?
Jun 06 14:47:41 <Crofton|work> so similar order of mag
Jun 06 14:47:50 <stuk_gen> with 3.2.16 hid-multitouch works
Jun 06 14:47:55 <koen> angstrom@discovery:~/website/feeds/2011.03/ipk/glibc$ find armv7a -name "*.ipk" | awk -F_ '{print $1}' | sort | uniq | wc -l
Jun 06 14:47:58 <koen> 38089
Jun 06 14:48:01 <av500> Crofton|work: but you dont have openoffice
Jun 06 14:48:04 <koen> that has a few dupes for the kernel-modules
Jun 06 14:48:43 <Crofton|work> bother
Jun 06 14:48:48 <Crofton|work> what password did I set
Jun 06 14:49:08 <koen> Crofton|work: I blocked jcm on g+ to avoid falling into his flamebait traps
Jun 06 14:49:21 <koen> Crofton|work: remember the secret yocto summit 2 years ago?
Jun 06 14:49:31 <av500> he cant, it was secret
Jun 06 14:49:45 <koen> Crofton|work: where the whole room was shaking their heads everytime jcm had a genius idea?
Jun 06 14:52:37 <LetoThe2nd> jcm?
Jun 06 14:52:47 <koen> jon masters
Jun 06 14:53:33 <LetoThe2nd> ah. just browsed his g+ a bit, but indeed it seems a bit... strange. not that mine is necessarily better, of course. :)
Jun 06 14:54:45 <koen> riskable: I suspect you forgot to submit the recipe for python-diffutils
Jun 06 14:55:07 <koen> riskable: and as a bonus you get to make fun of crofton and me for not testing your numpy change :)
Jun 06 14:55:52 <riskable> koen: I didn't have to create a recipe for diffutils...  When I built the cloud9-image that package got created along with it
Jun 06 14:56:55 <riskable> I tested it and it worked just fine...  I don't know what creates the python-diffutils packae
Jun 06 14:57:02 <riskable> s/packae/package
Jun 06 14:59:48 <riskable> Ahh, I see the problem...  It isn't "diffutils" it is "difflib"
Jun 06 15:01:15 <riskable> I must've fat-fingered that when I was re-making the patch those 5 times I had to re-submit it
Jun 06 15:02:16 <aholler> riskable: tell those cross-compilers about how long you needed for that single package ;)
Jun 06 15:06:30 <Crofton> ok, I need to mess with the vpn routes to stop it reseting my default route
Jun 06 15:07:10 <Crofton> I am convinced ARM is promoting Ubuntu and Fedora on ARM as a way to create demand for high end arm server hardware
Jun 06 15:07:16 <av500> you need ivp6n
Jun 06 15:07:24 <dm8tbr> ipv7?
Jun 06 15:07:27 <Crofton> much the way Intel supports Yocto in order to drive demand for intel machines
Jun 06 15:07:32 <av500> dm8tbr: ivp7!
Jun 06 15:07:33 <Crofton> heh
Jun 06 15:07:39 <Crofton> ipv8
Jun 06 15:08:20 <koen> iH264
Jun 06 15:08:31 <dm8tbr> ip88
Jun 06 15:08:37 <koen> ipfreely
Jun 06 15:08:44 <av500> ipee
Jun 06 15:09:45 <av500> awesome
Jun 06 15:10:21 <Crofton|work> I am going to start spreading my latest conspiracy theory
Jun 06 15:10:55 <mru> and what's that?
Jun 06 15:10:55 <koen> Crofton|work: that yocto releases are named after tiger woods' mistresses?
Jun 06 15:11:56 <Crofton|work> arm promotes fedora and ubuntu to sell high end arm hardware for their build farms
Jun 06 15:12:23 <Crofton|work> after showering, eating lunch, and working some
Jun 06 15:12:39 <Crofton|work> davest, are you warm enough
Jun 06 15:12:45 <aholler> they could use icecream, but none of them seem to know or want to know that
Jun 06 15:13:01 <av500> aholler: in a sandwich?
Jun 06 15:13:29 <aholler> if you like such
Jun 06 15:13:43 <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: concerning the irssi aliases.. do you have an example on how to send a specific factoid to a nick?
Jun 06 15:13:56 <koen> Crofton|work: 2 minutes between the releasename rumour and davest joining :)
Jun 06 15:13:57 <dm8tbr> yup, let me
Jun 06 15:14:16 <dm8tbr> xy         /say You might want to visit this URL http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
Jun 06 15:14:23 <Crofton|work> I think he has a bot monitoring this chaneel for yocto mentions
Jun 06 15:14:44 <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: is there also a way to include parameters?
Jun 06 15:14:44 <dm8tbr> LetoThe2nd: so /alias xy /say You might want to visit this URL http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
Jun 06 15:14:48 <dm8tbr> yes
Jun 06 15:14:56 <dm8tbr> irssi.org should have that in the faq
Jun 06 15:15:04 <av500> is it turing complete?
Jun 06 15:18:01 <riskable> Wait, there *is* a python-diffutils package
Jun 06 15:18:25 <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: looks good, thanks!
Jun 06 15:18:46 <mru> or was that python-difficulties?
Jun 06 15:21:08 <riskable> koen: I just submitted a 2/2 patch that should correct the issue with python-numpy
Jun 06 15:21:52 <koen> thanks
Jun 06 15:26:08 <riskable> Wow, that was a fast commit :)
Jun 06 15:29:33 <davest> Crofton|work: home is quite comfortable now, thanks for asking!
Jun 06 15:29:54 <davest> Crofton|work: a good thing since it was 45 degrees (F) this morning
Jun 06 15:31:31 <koen> davest: portland summer weather?
Jun 06 15:31:31 <Crofton|work> it is/was like 55 here
Jun 06 15:31:39 <Crofton|work> and I am not running the heat :)
Jun 06 15:32:21 <av500> LetoThe2nd: hehe, my phytec mole replied :)
Jun 06 15:32:38 <LetoThe2nd> av500: it said what? ;)
Jun 06 15:32:52 <davest> koen: actual summer doesn't start until after the Rose Festival (the fleet is in this weekend) and usually runs through and of September
Jun 06 15:32:55 <av500> "mal sehen"
Jun 06 15:33:10 <koen> lowpoint was 56 this morning
Jun 06 15:33:38 <av500> did anybody observe IPv6 transitting the sun yesterday?
Jun 06 15:34:02 * dm8tbr transmitted some ipv6 into the sun today
Jun 06 15:34:11 <davest> http://www.rosefestival.org/
Jun 06 16:16:51 <bradfa> koen, re: K&R, then after that, working through TLPI exercises (http://www.man7.org/tlpi/). That should take a while... :)
Jun 06 16:18:42 <stuk_gen> i install gstreamer i can view video but not audio what package can i have forget?
Jun 06 16:46:45 <angs> I use ubuntu on beaglebone, when I plug the ethernet cable, the ethernet led never turns to green and gets IP. has anyone know how to solve that problem?
Jun 06 16:52:38 <riskable> angs: Try "ifconfig eth0 up"
Jun 06 16:52:45 <riskable> It might not be detecting link state properly
Jun 06 16:57:41 <angs> how can I do it? the only connection I have is usb connection
Jun 06 16:58:24 <riskable> Just run that ifconfig command
Jun 06 17:00:12 <angs> I run it on my laptop but it did not help bones since they are connected to the router modem
Jun 06 17:03:30 <riskable> I mean, run that command on your Beaglebone over the USB serial connection
Jun 06 17:08:20 <VadtecWk> my google-fu is failing me...im trying to find a PCB daughter board that can be attached to the beaglebone, but im not finding what im looking for....anyone have a link they can bash me with?
Jun 06 17:09:12 <angs> I never used the usb serial connection before, I found a command "screen /dev/ttyUSB1 " it doesn't work. could you tell me the correct usage of the command?
Jun 06 17:09:54 <angs> I have bone A5
Jun 06 17:13:45 <bradfa> Vadtec, I assume you've looked at http://beagleboardtoys.com/
Jun 06 17:14:17 <bradfa> gah, tab completion!, that was meant for VadtecWk
Jun 06 17:15:29 <prpplague> VadtecWk: what kind of board are you looking for?
Jun 06 17:17:22 <VadtecWk> bradfa: actually, no, wasnt aware of that site
Jun 06 17:18:13 <VadtecWk> prpplague: im gathering supplies to add a ENC624J600 to the beagleboard, just need a board to have it mounted to
Jun 06 17:18:18 <bradfa> "official" capes (I believe I need the quotes on that word)
Jun 06 17:18:40 <prpplague> VadtecWk: there a number of proto capes available
Jun 06 17:19:10 <bradfa> SPI ethernet, joy!
Jun 06 17:19:28 <VadtecWk> and thats where my google-fu has been failing me, havent been able to find a supplier as of yet...at least not until bradfa gave me that link
Jun 06 17:19:59 <bradfa> Special Comp or Adafruit usually have most useful capes
Jun 06 17:20:31 <VadtecWk> thanks
Jun 06 17:20:44 <W1N9Zr0> what're you going to use another ethernet port for?
Jun 06 17:20:52 <VadtecWk> i just need to gather the supplies, i have a friend who is going to do the solder work for me
Jun 06 17:21:13 <VadtecWk> W1N9Zr0: turning a BB into a firewall appliance for my LAN at home
Jun 06 17:21:24 <VadtecWk> requires two NIC ports
Jun 06 17:21:25 <bradfa> VadtecWk, hope you enjoy slow firewall
Jun 06 17:21:29 <W1N9Zr0> why not use an openwrt capable router?
Jun 06 17:21:41 <W1N9Zr0> they're chaper than a bone, much less bone + cape
Jun 06 17:21:46 <bradfa> SPI Ethernet doesn't win performance contests
Jun 06 17:22:13 <VadtecWk> bradfa: and for this particular application, performance isnt the main concern
Jun 06 17:22:15 <VadtecWk> ;)
Jun 06 17:22:19 <bradfa> got it
Jun 06 17:22:20 <riskable> angs: You're just missing the tail end of that screen command:  screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200
Jun 06 17:22:31 <riskable> Then just hit enter and the login screen should come up where you can login as root
Jun 06 17:22:51 <riskable> Also, if you have more than one USB device connected with serial support it may be /dev/ttyUSB2 or /dev/ttyUSB3, etc
Jun 06 17:23:48 <bradfa> VadtecWk, when you get it running, write up info on it, I'm interested to read
Jun 06 17:27:32 <VadtecWk> bradfa: i plan to
Jun 06 17:28:01 <VadtecWk> im going to strip down some linux OS and put a custom firewall on it that I currently use
Jun 06 17:28:47 <prpplague> koen: ping
Jun 06 17:29:08 <angs> riskable: thank you, I tried up to USB20 but it did not work. I have another problem to deal now
Jun 06 17:33:04 <VadtecWk> W1N9Zr0: to answer your question: 1) this is much more fun than setting up another openwrt router, 2) it sounds like a great project to me (if only to learn more)
Jun 06 17:33:46 <bradfa> sounds like there's a market for AM335x board that actually uses the built in Ethernet switch... :)
Jun 06 17:35:09 <VadtecWk> bradfa: im curious, what makes you think using a BB will make it such a slow firewall? firewall performance is mainly affected by the number of rules you have loaded rather than the hardware (in most cases)
Jun 06 17:36:31 <VadtecWk> not that i dont believe you, im just interested in the technical details behind your statement
Jun 06 17:40:11 <bradfa> VadtecWk, the BB won't be the issue, but if you look at how SPI based Ethernet works, it is not high speed, everything is done in a very high overhead way on the SPI bus which only runs at <20MHz, so you'll never see more than 10Mbit/sec performance from most SPI Ethernet devices
Jun 06 17:41:16 <bradfa> VadtecWk, USB Ethernet devices have similar issues but can go a bit faster (usually) due to USB throughput, but there's extra latency due to the way USB works of at least a few microframes (at USB2.0) between when the chip will have data and when it can be read out by the processor
Jun 06 17:41:37 <bradfa> at least that's my understanding of both
Jun 06 17:41:58 <ogra_> neither should matter if you only have a 2M DLS line though
Jun 06 17:42:01 <ogra_> *DSL
Jun 06 17:42:02 <prpplague> bradfa 's comments are correct
Jun 06 17:42:23 <prpplague> the zippy and zippy2 both had about 7Mbit/sec performance
Jun 06 17:42:46 <ogra_> on recent highspeed connections you *will* see the slowness though
Jun 06 17:43:15 <bradfa> Those performance issues are why I'm using the Bone for prototyping
Jun 06 17:44:07 <bradfa> needed internal Ethernet MAC
Jun 06 17:44:14 <VadtecWk> hmmm, i have 20mbit cable at home (though i plan to use this for my kids segment of the LAN), maybe ill hook it up to the main connection and see what it does
Jun 06 17:44:28 <bradfa> go USB Ethernet and you should be good
Jun 06 17:44:34 <prpplague> yea
Jun 06 17:44:34 <ogra_> ++
Jun 06 17:45:30 <florian> re
Jun 06 17:45:32 <VadtecWk> not fully understanding the differences...what makes USB that much faster than SPI, and, is there another interface besides SPI that would remove the bottle neck?
Jun 06 17:46:02 <prpplague> VadtecWk: no interface that is available with the beagle
Jun 06 17:46:04 <bradfa> USB is 480Mb/sec throughput, but you get about 1ms extra latency, you'll come close to 100Mbit Ethernet with it
Jun 06 17:46:30 <bradfa> SPI runs at most at 48MHz on omap, most Ethernet devices only do 20MHz or so, so at best with no overhead you'll max out at 20Mbit/sec
Jun 06 17:46:38 <bradfa> But there's huge overhead in the SPI bus protocol
Jun 06 17:46:41 <bradfa> like 50%
Jun 06 17:46:53 <VadtecWk> ah, ok, that makes sense
Jun 06 17:47:21 <VadtecWk> which makes a 100BASE-T SPI ethernet setup silly...
Jun 06 17:47:32 <bradfa> if latency isn't an issue and you're ok with bad performance on small packets (or frames? not sure of my Ethernet lingo), use USB Ethernet
Jun 06 17:47:56 <koen> prpplague: pong
Jun 06 17:48:02 <bradfa> only place I see 100Mbit SPI Ethernet being useful is when hooked to a hub, then it won't slow the entire hub down
Jun 06 17:48:15 <bradfa> but you won't see that kind of throughput
Jun 06 17:48:24 <bradfa> if you get 10Mbit through SPI Ethernet, you're awesome
Jun 06 17:49:07 <bradfa> SPI Ethernet is for those who are pin constrained or don't have internal MAC and where USB is somehow not an option (power consumption?)
Jun 06 17:49:42 <VadtecWk> the ENC28J60 is a 10BASE-T setup...that sounds like a more practical setup in this case
Jun 06 17:50:06 <VadtecWk> so basically, the performance hit comes from SPI
Jun 06 17:50:24 <bradfa> That's a big bottleneck, yes
Jun 06 17:50:48 <bradfa> plus, that ENC28J60 only has 8Kbyte FIFOs, that'll hurt you too
Jun 06 17:51:13 <VadtecWk> yeah, thats what made me look at the ENC624J600
Jun 06 17:51:24 <prpplague> VadtecWk: no big performance gain there
Jun 06 17:51:42 <bradfa> if you're OK with <10Mbit performance, stick with the best SPI Ethernet you can get that has built in drivers in kernel
Jun 06 17:51:54 <bradfa> if you want something more (and less board file fun) go USB
Jun 06 17:52:43 <VadtecWk> hmmmm, lots of info to assimilate...
Jun 06 17:53:00 <VadtecWk> so, technical question
Jun 06 17:53:08 <bradfa> wait, these weren't? :)
Jun 06 17:53:18 <fgau> 00
Jun 06 17:53:18 <VadtecWk> lol :P
Jun 06 17:53:52 <fgau> sry
Jun 06 17:53:55 <VadtecWk> assuming I go USB, will the BB be able to actually do 100mbit, or is the ARM just to slow, even on a stripped down kernel?
Jun 06 17:54:18 <VadtecWk> that was worded horribly...
Jun 06 17:54:21 <VadtecWk> to many unknowns
Jun 06 17:54:23 <VadtecWk> bleh
Jun 06 17:54:30 <koen> what does a stripped down kernel have to do with usb performance?
Jun 06 17:54:50 <ogra_> naked kernels make USB work faster perhaps :)
Jun 06 17:55:00 <bradfa> goes at 481Mbit/sec!
Jun 06 17:55:07 <ogra_> yeah
Jun 06 17:55:07 <VadtecWk> nothing other than stripping out things like GUI and un-needed sub-systems
Jun 06 17:55:12 <koen> since when does usb actually work
Jun 06 17:55:18 <koen> VadtecWk: a gui in the kernel?
Jun 06 17:55:27 <ogra_> modprobe gnome !
Jun 06 17:55:35 <koen> VadtecWk: and how work stripping out e.g. SPI make usb faster?
Jun 06 17:55:36 * bradfa 's Debian has working usb... /ducks
Jun 06 17:55:38 <VadtecWk> koen: ....no, like the desktop....
Jun 06 17:55:51 <koen> VadtecWk: a desktop in the kernel?
Jun 06 17:56:04 <VadtecWk> *sigh*
Jun 06 17:56:11 <koen> bradfa: I doubt it, have you seen the list of silicon bugs on am335x?
Jun 06 17:56:13 <bradfa> VadtecWk, you should have enough horsepower to route at close to 100Mbit/sec
Jun 06 17:56:28 <bradfa> koen, I can mount usb stick, wait, there's other uses for usb? :)
Jun 06 17:57:00 * bradfa gets newest silicon errata...
Jun 06 17:59:36 <VadtecWk> bradfa: its been nearly a decade since I seriously messed with hardware at this level, but in my mind, an ARM should have the power to do full-duplex 100mbit routing+firewalling, im just researching before going into the build phase to make sure its feasible
Jun 06 18:00:14 <aholler> arm boxes with a processor-speed near 1GHz are able to satisfy 100mbit. And recently arm got a bpf-jit too
Jun 06 18:00:26 <VadtecWk> specially if its the BBxM with more horsepower
Jun 06 18:00:34 <prpplague> Vadtec: yes they do, but like anything else, how the device is implemented makes a big difference
Jun 06 18:00:53 <mru> the problem with omap is usb
Jun 06 18:01:01 <aholler> yes
Jun 06 18:01:40 <bradfa> Errata 1.0.10 makes me scared of RGMII, and glad Gerald warned me away from it...
Jun 06 18:02:14 <VadtecWk> so is there any interface on any of the BBs that would allow onboard ehternet to achieve 100mbit performance?
Jun 06 18:02:20 <bradfa> ok, wait, seriously? Errata 1.0.11 is that the USB PHY thinks the end of what it sent is the beginning of receive? omg.
Jun 06 18:02:20 <aholler> a sheevaplug or similiar is better for that job.
Jun 06 18:02:25 <VadtecWk> or is USB still the best bet?
Jun 06 18:03:11 <VadtecWk> or...could an interface be added that would achieve 100mbit?
Jun 06 18:03:11 <bradfa> USB is probably your best bet, unless you can find a GPMC to Ethernet or SDIO Ethernet device
Jun 06 18:03:25 <bradfa> Or you're willing to spin a board with the AM335x
Jun 06 18:03:35 <bradfa> then you can have 2 gigabit Ethernet ports
Jun 06 18:03:49 <koen> one port connected to a switch
Jun 06 18:04:02 <koen> which does ~300mbit max
Jun 06 18:04:12 <koen> still more than 2x 100mbit, though
Jun 06 18:04:24 <koen> with a recent kernel ethtool might even work!
Jun 06 18:05:06 <VadtecWk> hmmmm... SDIO....
Jun 06 18:06:17 <VadtecWk> its something to think about
Jun 06 18:06:38 <bradfa> If you find an SDIO Ethernet that has good performance, please do tell, I'm curious
Jun 06 18:06:51 <VadtecWk> in this case though, im not really worried about 100mbit...in fact it will be a blessing (it wont let my kids suck up my entire pipe lol)
Jun 06 18:09:03 <VadtecWk> man i gotta get back into hardware...i use to be pretty good at figuring these problems out, but im so outta touch with all the interfaces....bleh
Jun 06 18:10:29 <prpplague> VadtecWk: just curious, why would you not just purchase a low end router?
Jun 06 18:10:52 <VadtecWk> prpplague: i have dozens of those at home, been there done that
Jun 06 18:11:09 <VadtecWk> ive been wanting a project for a BB for a while now
Jun 06 18:11:16 <VadtecWk> this seems like a good one for me
Jun 06 18:14:03 <Russ> wow, talk about KIRF http://www.news24.com/Travel/Chinese-secretly-copy-Austrian-town-20120604?fb_ref=.T86hMzDpIf4.like&fb_source=home_oneline
Jun 06 18:14:21 <mru> burrito!
Jun 06 18:17:44 <Russ> oi, working from hyundai, time to turn on some VPN
Jun 06 18:18:22 <Russ> "This site has been blocked by the network administrator." "Block reason: Forbidden Category "Pay to Surf Sites"" "URL: http://people.freedesktop.org/~ickle/uxa-i3-330m.p..."
Jun 06 18:20:32 <VadtecWk> hmmm...gotta keep researching this, i dont wanna build the most uber firewall ever, but i dont wanna build a POS either...
Jun 06 18:21:32 <prpplague> VadtecWk: well when you take something designed for one use and try to make it for something else, you don't always get the best of what you intended
Jun 06 18:22:11 <VadtecWk> prpplague: agreed, but that wont stop me from looking around to see if its possible, or feasible...
Jun 06 18:22:55 <VadtecWk> im sure it can be done, im just extremely rusty with hardware and havent found the right components yet
Jun 06 18:31:10 <joelagnel> koen, ping
Jun 06 18:31:15 <joelagnel> check email?
Jun 06 18:31:17 <aholler> hmm, copying a complete city is a remarkable new thing ;)
Jun 06 18:32:51 <koen> joelagnel: pong
Jun 06 18:33:48 <koen> joelagnel: try git:// instead of https and see if that helps
Jun 06 18:35:44 <ds2> yipeeeeee self assembling beagle boards!
Jun 06 18:37:30 <mru> as long as they are not self-replicating...
Jun 06 18:37:43 <mdp> bradfa, "gpmc enet" already exists and used regularly (smsc911x)
Jun 06 18:38:02 <koen> joelagnel: or just clone github.com/beagleboard/kernel
Jun 06 18:39:39 <bradfa> mdp, ah, learn something new every day
Jun 06 18:39:44 <bradfa> neat!
Jun 06 18:40:11 <mdp> for extra credit…you implement a better performing one in cpld/fpga though :)
Jun 06 18:40:12 <bradfa> VadtecWk, check those (smsc LAN9221 or others supported by smsc911x in kernel) out
Jun 06 18:40:34 <bradfa> mdp, what kind of performance do they get?
Jun 06 18:42:40 <bradfa> mdp, and is it gpmc or emif type interface? (I'm reading up too, so maybe redundant question)
Jun 06 18:43:25 <mdp> they're interfaced to gpmc on many reference boards
Jun 06 18:44:49 <bradfa> mdp, I'll read more about those, thanks!
Jun 06 18:46:31 <mdp> bradfa, 80Mbps type range
Jun 06 18:46:36 <bradfa> not bad
Jun 06 18:46:52 <Crofton|irssi> did I manage to start a flame war on G+?
Jun 06 18:47:04 <mdp> bradfa, it's "ok"…I've learned that's considered to be acceptable on these processors...
Jun 06 18:47:19 <bradfa> heck of a lot better than SPI
Jun 06 18:47:57 <mdp> 10+ year old ppc440 designs with integrated emac sustain 96Mbps (essentially wirespeed after overhead) so it's all relative. :)
Jun 06 18:49:12 <mdp> yes, you'd need a quad-spi ENC part to see something close enough to be called a 10/100 ethernet
Jun 06 18:49:50 <bradfa> Bone cape in the future? (unsure if right gpmc pins are in the headers...)
Jun 06 18:50:11 <mdp> cape with what?
Jun 06 18:50:18 <bradfa> smsc911x
Jun 06 18:50:24 <mdp> gpmc pins are there, yes, I'm using them for another project
Jun 06 18:50:40 <mdp> and jsabeaudry was doing some gpmc interfacing too
Jun 06 18:51:21 <mdp> bradfa, there's a thread where gerald tips his hand that there are going to be several "memory capes"…NOR and 16-bit NAND..fwiw
Jun 06 18:51:30 <bradfa> mdp, yes saw that
Jun 06 18:51:43 <bradfa> makes sense now
Jun 06 18:52:00 <bradfa> thanks!
Jun 06 18:52:43 <mdp> I guess the second cpsw mac doesn't go to the expansion headers then? I never looked.
Jun 06 18:52:48 <bradfa> no
Jun 06 18:52:58 <bradfa> a few signals missing
Jun 06 18:53:19 <bradfa> it's like 80% pinned out to the headers
Jun 06 18:54:53 <mdp> that sounds familiar at least
Jun 06 18:55:09 <mdp> I think the headers are big enough so I won't complain...
Jun 06 18:55:38 <mdp> it's resulted in one of the more complex fritzing parts yet :)
Jun 06 18:55:44 <koen> I heard the headers are bigger in texas
Jun 06 18:55:53 <mdp> heh
Jun 06 18:57:05 <bradfa> well, now there's even more pins in them with A6, right? like 51 pins in a 48 pin header?
Jun 06 18:57:21 <koen> yeah
Jun 06 18:57:26 <koen> the missing pruss signals
Jun 06 18:57:46 <koen> haven't tried to use them yet
Jun 06 18:57:57 <ds2> Crofton|irssi: so how much are you getting paid to increase traffic on G+?
Jun 06 18:57:57 <mdp> if you can put 51 pins in 48, then why not put 105 pins in a 8 pin single row header :)
Jun 06 18:58:19 <koen> mdp: that's for the next rev
Jun 06 18:58:30 <koen> can't overwhelm the people with too much awesome
Jun 06 18:58:53 <Crofton|irssi> ds2: not enough
Jun 06 18:59:23 <mdp> it was a ghost town before Crofton|irssi
Jun 06 18:59:55 <mdp> koen, I hope you have the Awesomness poster at your workstation ;)
Jun 06 19:01:31 <koen> mdp: only a big poster listing all the bullet sizes and their matching body armour class
Jun 06 19:02:05 <mdp> that, I can respect
Jun 06 19:03:05 <mdp> you need a poster with the 6502 pinout for retro effect
Jun 06 19:03:32 <koen> :)
Jun 06 19:05:02 <mdp> the 106 pins of the beaglebone a5 schematic view are unwieldy at best..*sigh*
Jun 06 19:05:15 <mdp> *ahem* 102
Jun 06 19:05:31 <mdp> I must need coffee
Jun 06 19:30:50 <mcsteve> am I correct in assuming that I won't be able to get the dspbridge stuff working on ubuntu 12.04 (armhf arch)? I seem to remember reading that somewhere
Jun 06 19:48:48 <_av500_> why?
Jun 06 19:49:06 <_av500_> dspbridge api does not use much float at all
Jun 06 19:50:05 <mranostay> koen: heh that is a nice poster
Jun 06 19:50:09 <mcsteve> I haven't quite tried it yet, but I did find this: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Precise_12.04_armhf which says that it "probably won't work"
Jun 06 19:52:52 <mcsteve> I'm still having trouble figuring out how all the pieces work, it looks like I'll need to try to recompile the kernel since the shipped kernel doesn't have the bridge module
Jun 06 19:54:21 <VadtecWk> bradfa: yeah, was looking at the LAN91C111 from smsc...not sure if its suitable or not, but smsc seems to be a good route
Jun 06 19:56:01 <bradfa> VadtecWk, make a cape, I might buy one :)
Jun 06 19:56:08 <bradfa> gtg now though
Jun 06 20:08:50 <Crofton|irssi> Failed to mount /dev: No such device
Jun 06 20:09:03 <Crofton|irssi> after some kernel hacking, I get this message on boot
Jun 06 20:09:09 <Crofton|irssi> ring a bell?
Jun 06 20:09:18 <Crofton|irssi> oe-core based Angstrom rootfs
Jun 06 20:14:05 <Russ> no devfs or devtmpfs?
Jun 06 20:18:13 <Crofton|irssi> Russ: yeah, I think that is it
Jun 06 20:18:36 <Crofton|irssi> there are some people hacking about randomly and it is hard to see what they have done :)
Jun 06 20:37:00 <ds2> is there a public repo for the beagle wall sw?
Jun 06 20:41:02 <prpplague> ds2: iirc yes, but i don;t know where it is
Jun 06 20:41:08 <prpplague> ds2: i;ve seen it posted before
Jun 06 20:43:07 <ds2> 'k I'll wait for a more reasonable EU time
Jun 06 20:45:09 <ds2> prpplague: how goes the scope hacking?
Jun 06 20:45:22 <prpplague> ds2: slow
Jun 06 20:45:31 <prpplague> ds2: been a little swamped with the "day job"
Jun 06 20:45:39 <ds2> that pesky thing?
Jun 06 20:46:39 <ds2> prpplague: was you that was looking at getting a USB logic analyzer interfaced with it?
Jun 06 20:47:13 <prpplague> ds2: yea
Jun 06 20:47:38 <prpplague> ds2: i was able to compile sigrok and run it with a couple different LA's
Jun 06 20:47:46 <prpplague> ds2: not too bad
Jun 06 20:47:55 <ds2> but interfaced nicely with the menus?
Jun 06 20:50:35 <prpplague> ds2: no i wasnt using the stock UI from the device
Jun 06 20:50:54 <ds2> oh
Jun 06 20:51:15 <prpplague> ds2: i was actually running x with xfce
Jun 06 20:51:23 <prpplague> ds2: and some fltk stuff
Jun 06 20:51:36 <prpplague> ds2: just tinkering around with it right now
Jun 06 20:51:38 <ds2> so you basically give up the stock functionality for the time being?
Jun 06 20:53:27 <prpplague> ds2: sort of, when i want to use the stock functionality, i just start their closed source app
Jun 06 20:53:30 <prpplague> ds2: dso.exe
Jun 06 20:53:42 <prpplague> ds2: otherwise i just kill it and run my stuff
Jun 06 20:53:53 <ds2> but you'd need the serial port running to do that, right?
Jun 06 20:56:05 <prpplague> ds2: yea
Jun 06 20:56:38 <prpplague> ds2: or you could use an external usb keyboard/keypad to kick off the different modes
Jun 06 20:56:54 <prpplague> ds2: keypad with a hacked up evtest to stop/start the different options, hehe
Jun 06 20:57:19 <ds2> heh, I already that software for an android hack ;)
Jun 06 20:57:58 <prpplague> hehe
Jun 06 20:57:59 <prpplague> indeed
Jun 06 20:58:01 <ds2> I wonder if we can do the same game as the touchpad folks did on the beagle to swap btn interfaces
Jun 06 20:59:08 <prpplague> not familiar with what they did
Jun 06 20:59:11 <prpplague> ds2: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0256659
Jun 06 20:59:20 <prpplague> ds2: i keep a handful of those around for that kind of stuff
Jun 06 20:59:47 <ds2> heh
Jun 06 20:59:55 <ds2> a bit of an overkill?
Jun 06 21:00:19 <ds2> why not just one of those cypress rs232 adapters with firmware to emulate a HID device when the pins on the DB9 are grounded?
Jun 06 21:00:41 <ds2> they essentially ran different UI's under different VT's
Jun 06 21:00:41 <prpplague> ds2: hehe, because $9.99 is a lot easier, hehe
Jun 06 21:00:52 <ds2> so you can run X on a VT and the stock firmware on another VT
Jun 06 21:01:07 <ds2> the just do chvt to swap btwn them. it assumes there is enough RAM
Jun 07 00:20:36 <waltermixxx> good evening all... having a spot of trouble creating an sd card from the narcissus created beagleboard.tar.gz file...
Jun 07 00:20:58 <waltermixxx> I created the file, and the file i downloaded had a .tar.gz extension...
Jun 07 00:21:47 <waltermixxx> when i use the command:  tar --wildcards -xjvf beagleboard.tar.gz ./boot*   command i get an error...
Jun 07 00:22:18 <waltermixxx> this is supposed to extract the boot files onto my boot partition, newly created
Jun 07 00:22:26 <waltermixxx> i get the error:
Jun 07 00:23:09 <waltermixxx> bzip2 (stdin) is not a bzip2 file
Jun 07 00:23:21 <waltermixxx> follwing the instructions
Jun 07 00:24:04 <waltermixxx> does someone have a link to other isntructions on how to get the narcissus compressed file onto sd card partitions?
Jun 07 00:24:05 <waltermixxx> :)
Jun 07 00:25:32 <waltermixxx> :) help?
Jun 07 00:25:43 <prpplague> waltermixxx: using tar is a basic linux skill
Jun 07 00:25:48 <prpplague> waltermixxx: it is not specific to beagle
Jun 07 00:25:56 <prpplague> waltermixxx: have you every used tar before?
Jun 07 00:26:02 <waltermixxx> no...
Jun 07 00:26:13 <waltermixxx> it's on my list of things to learn :)
Jun 07 00:26:18 <waltermixxx> this seems like a good time :)
Jun 07 00:26:38 <prpplague> waltermixxx: well if you have a host pc running linux
Jun 07 00:26:42 <waltermixxx> yup
Jun 07 00:26:44 <waltermixxx> on it now
Jun 07 00:26:44 <prpplague> waltermixxx: then please do: man tar
Jun 07 00:26:56 <prpplague> waltermixxx: please look up each one of the options you used
Jun 07 00:27:04 <prpplague> waltermixxx: -x -j -v -f
Jun 07 00:27:22 <waltermixxx> it said something about the file not being correct though
Jun 07 00:27:52 <prpplague> waltermixxx: you asked for help, i am helping you, please look up each one of those commands
Jun 07 00:28:00 <prpplague> waltermixxx: command flags i should say
Jun 07 00:28:00 <waltermixxx> okie doke :)
Jun 07 00:30:42 <waltermixxx> x is extract, f is for archive, j is bzip2
Jun 07 00:30:47 <waltermixxx> so I get rid of the j
Jun 07 00:30:52 * mranostay facepalms
Jun 07 00:30:54 <waltermixxx> because its not a bzip2 file :)
Jun 07 00:31:02 <waltermixxx> let me try that :)
Jun 07 00:31:04 <prpplague> waltermixxx: ok so it is not a bzip2 file
Jun 07 00:31:09 <prpplague> waltermixxx: what kind of file is it?
Jun 07 00:31:14 <waltermixxx> tar.gz
Jun 07 00:31:19 <prpplague> waltermixxx: which is?
Jun 07 00:31:26 <waltermixxx> so keep reading and look for the extension for gz
Jun 07 00:31:33 <waltermixxx> it has both extensions on it
Jun 07 00:31:49 <waltermixxx> the file was called xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.tar.gz
Jun 07 00:32:01 <mranostay> omfg
Jun 07 00:32:12 <prpplague> waltermixxx: so a bzip2 file would tar.bz2
Jun 07 00:32:14 <mranostay> waltermixxx: man tar...
Jun 07 00:32:25 <waltermixxx> walterBB1-image-beagleboard.tar.gz to be exact
Jun 07 00:32:26 <prpplague> waltermixxx: so a tar.gz  would be?
Jun 07 00:33:13 <waltermixxx> let me read through the man file for the correct flag
Jun 07 00:34:08 <ds2> prpplague: are you expecting people to get decent SAT verbal scores?
Jun 07 00:34:19 <mranostay> so how is prpplague today? :)
Jun 07 00:34:29 <ds2> bzip2 is to tar.bz2 as what is to .tar.gz
Jun 07 00:34:48 <prpplague> ds2: hehe
Jun 07 00:35:01 <prpplague> ds2: indeed, its the legacy of having both parents as teachers
Jun 07 00:35:07 <prpplague> mranostay: just dandy
Jun 07 00:35:31 * prpplague purchased airline tickets and hotel reservations for LPC/LCNA today
Jun 07 00:35:37 <mranostay> prpplague: you can put tar package expert on your linkedin now :P
Jun 07 00:35:55 <waltermixxx> not quit there yet
Jun 07 00:36:02 <waltermixxx> i cannot find the flag for tar.gz
Jun 07 00:36:25 <prpplague> waltermixxx: ok, so what does the man page say about bzip?
Jun 07 00:36:34 <prpplague> waltermixxx: does it say tar.bz2?
Jun 07 00:36:42 <prpplague> waltermixxx: or does it just say bzip2?
Jun 07 00:37:07 <waltermixxx> it just says to use flag j for bzip2 files, but I'm still scrolling through :)
Jun 07 00:37:28 <prpplague> waltermixxx: ok so do you think that you will find something that says tar.gz ?
Jun 07 00:39:25 <mranostay> waltermixxx: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tar+extract+tar+gz
Jun 07 00:39:28 <waltermixxx> well the J flag indicated use with bzip2 files, so I guess I was hoping to see G for use with gz but allas i did not find it
Jun 07 00:40:24 <waltermixxx> that's clever :) i was hoping to find it in the Man file ( which I just learned about ) :)
Jun 07 00:40:30 <prpplague> waltermixxx: you are a linux pc right?
Jun 07 00:40:37 <waltermixxx> yes on a linux pc
Jun 07 00:40:39 <prpplague> waltermixxx: please do a man on tar again
Jun 07 00:40:48 <waltermixxx> ok
Jun 07 00:40:51 <prpplague> waltermixxx: press the / key
Jun 07 00:40:57 <prpplague> waltermixxx: and type bz
Jun 07 00:41:02 <prpplague> waltermixxx: and press enter
Jun 07 00:41:10 <mranostay> prpplague: gz you mean
Jun 07 00:41:16 <prpplague> mranostay: not yet
Jun 07 00:41:30 <prpplague> waltermixxx: did it find the bz -j command?
Jun 07 00:42:27 <waltermixxx> yes found that
Jun 07 00:42:31 <waltermixxx> i did a /
Jun 07 00:42:34 <waltermixxx> then typed bz
Jun 07 00:42:37 <prpplague> ok
Jun 07 00:42:41 <waltermixxx> and it took me to bz -j
Jun 07 00:42:45 <waltermixxx> in the guide
Jun 07 00:42:48 <prpplague> now do / and then gz
Jun 07 00:43:16 <waltermixxx> dah, -z
Jun 07 00:43:18 <waltermixxx> :)
Jun 07 00:43:24 <waltermixxx> so i replace the j with a z
Jun 07 00:43:25 <waltermixxx> :)
Jun 07 00:43:31 <waltermixxx> thanks :)
Jun 07 00:43:36 <waltermixxx> ok now I know how to use man
Jun 07 00:43:39 <prpplague> no i assume you are following some instructions some where
Jun 07 00:43:43 <waltermixxx> and search for strings :)
Jun 07 00:43:44 <prpplague> what instructions are those?
Jun 07 00:43:46 <waltermixxx> very cool :)
Jun 07 00:44:13 <waltermixxx> the instructions are called: installing Agnstrom on the beagleboard xm
Jun 07 00:44:20 <prpplague> url?
Jun 07 00:44:37 <waltermixxx> its on my other laptop, but I will google it
Jun 07 00:44:42 <waltermixxx> and provide the link :)
Jun 07 00:45:37 <waltermixxx> http://treyweaver.blogspot.ca/2010/10/installing-angstrom-on-beagleboard-xm.html
Jun 07 00:45:47 <waltermixxx> i managed to prepare an sd card following the instructions...
Jun 07 00:46:00 <prpplague> waltermixxx: yea found it
Jun 07 00:46:06 <waltermixxx> I am at setting up the boot partition
Jun 07 00:46:07 <prpplague> waltermixxx: those instructions are wanting
Jun 07 00:46:16 <waltermixxx> well it's all I got :)
Jun 07 00:46:18 <waltermixxx> he he :)
Jun 07 00:46:29 <prpplague> waltermixxx: hehe, he tells you to download a tar.gz , but gives instructions for a tar.bz2
Jun 07 00:47:00 <waltermixxx> i knew there was a disconnect, but being new out of the gate, i tend to doubt what I am doing...
Jun 07 00:47:38 <prpplague> waltermixxx: several people point it out in the comments below
Jun 07 00:47:39 <waltermixxx> took me a bit of time to figure that --wildcards was actually part of the syntax and not a comment about playing cards :)
Jun 07 00:48:07 <waltermixxx> I should have checked... i printed out the juicy bits...
Jun 07 00:49:38 <waltermixxx> yup it's there, replace the j with a z
Jun 07 00:49:46 <waltermixxx> but at least i learned something....
Jun 07 00:50:06 <waltermixxx> getting it to blink leds via python is going to fun :)
Jun 07 00:50:19 <waltermixxx> I'm excited about the trainer board...
Jun 07 00:50:57 <waltermixxx> ok I shall continue in my persuit to create the best angstrom install :)
Jun 07 00:51:09 <waltermixxx> i will stay online and comment as I go :)
Jun 07 00:52:52 <waltermixxx> dang got some not found in archive errors
Jun 07 00:53:19 <waltermixxx> uImage-3.0.9+
Jun 07 00:53:37 <waltermixxx> uEnv.txt
Jun 07 00:53:54 <waltermixxx> it did find the one file:uEnv.txt
Jun 07 00:54:15 <waltermixxx> i did manage to extract the files from the downloaded angstrom file...
Jun 07 00:54:23 <waltermixxx> using an ubuntu app
Jun 07 00:54:34 <waltermixxx> can I manaually copy stuff over?
Jun 07 00:54:41 <waltermixxx> I think i tried it before, and got rights errors
Jun 07 00:54:51 <waltermixxx> i was hoping this command line thing would work out
Jun 07 00:54:53 <waltermixxx> :)
Jun 07 00:55:08 <waltermixxx> when creating the file on the website, I did indicate to include boot files.
Jun 07 00:55:15 <waltermixxx> so not sure what is up :(
Jun 07 01:11:57 <waltermixxx> the next part seems to be working sudo tar -xvz -C /media/Angstrom -f xxxxxxx.tar.gz
Jun 07 01:12:17 <waltermixxx> whats sync do?
Jun 07 01:13:53 <mranostay> dude google
Jun 07 01:15:11 <Russ> http://www.ford.com/technology/sync/
Jun 07 01:20:03 <prpplague> doh, appears my password sh1 is in the hacked linkedin texts
Jun 07 01:20:45 <waltermixxx> i was chatting with prpplague, and it was a context sensitive question :)  it was one of the commands to use in conjuction with creating a bootable sd card :)
Jun 07 01:20:56 <waltermixxx> i have it on google.
Jun 07 01:21:28 <waltermixxx> but there were a lot of results,  ( i thought perhaps he still had the page open where I had directed him) but I will dig through my google result :)
Jun 07 01:21:52 <prpplague> Russ: cute, just a couple checks, biteme,balrog, and ratbastard are in the password list as well hehehe
Jun 07 01:21:57 <waltermixxx> i changed my linked in password this afternoon when I read about it
Jun 07 01:22:09 <waltermixxx> did you go to leakedin.org to check?
Jun 07 01:22:12 <prpplague> waltermixxx: yea i changed mine late last night
Jun 07 01:22:17 <waltermixxx> :)
Jun 07 01:22:24 <prpplague> waltermixxx: no i grabbed a copy of the file
Jun 07 01:22:28 <waltermixxx> lol
Jun 07 01:22:44 <waltermixxx> i have to be careful not to upset anyone on here :)
Jun 07 01:23:29 <Russ> prpplague, ?
Jun 07 01:23:36 <Russ> prpplague, ford has a password list posted too?
Jun 07 01:24:06 <waltermixxx> so sync makes sure all the data that needs to be written is written before taking out the sd card in this case :)
Jun 07 01:24:17 <waltermixxx> after copying a crap load of files onto it
Jun 07 01:24:20 <waltermixxx> :)
Jun 07 01:24:31 <prpplague> Russ: grep $(echo -n yourhackedpassword | shasum | cut -c6-40) SHA1.txt
Jun 07 01:26:02 <waltermixxx> i can't get over how quicky time goes as I meander my way through this... oh to be 20 and just starting out on linux. :)
Jun 07 01:49:25 <Russ> prpplague, mine isn't in there (yet)
Jun 07 01:49:49 <prpplague> Russ: hehe
Jun 07 01:49:56 <KeatonT> Might be getting me another beaglebone.
Jun 07 01:50:17 <Russ> wtf is up with stupid companies, course these days I'm almost surprised they weren't plain text
Jun 07 01:50:26 <prpplague> indeed
Jun 07 01:50:35 <Russ> is salting really that hard? Is using an off the shelf library really that horrible?
Jun 07 01:50:40 <KeatonT> talking about linked in?
Jun 07 01:50:59 <prpplague> Russ: hehe i did a couple other checks, there was one matching for a password of 123456
Jun 07 01:51:10 <Russ> or to be web 2.0 and enterprisey do you have to rewrite everything with a factory this and that and what not
Jun 07 01:53:30 <Russ> these days I just assume that websites store my password in plaintext and email it out every now and then to random people
Jun 07 01:54:03 <ds2> and we are suppose to trust them with other information when they can't even keep a password secure
Jun 07 02:46:32 <rcollins> hi guys
Jun 07 02:47:56 <rcollins> does anyone have experience interfacing a rt204-1 lcd to a beaglebone?
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