**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 18 02:59:58 2012
Jun 18 04:10:05 * mranostay reads the distro flamebait
Jun 18 06:52:03 <KeatonT> Nothing like faster internet for the same price.
Jun 18 06:52:42 <p00t> God bless competition.
Jun 18 06:53:35 <KeatonT> Nah God bless verizon.
Jun 18 06:53:45 <KeatonT> They just upgraded all their Fios tiers
Jun 18 06:56:18 <KeatonT> It's sad.
Jun 18 06:56:37 <KeatonT> My internet speeds are now approaching the max throughput of my router.
Jun 18 06:56:41 <KeatonT> Might be time for an upgrade.
Jun 18 06:56:47 <KeatonT> wireless router*
Jun 18 06:57:13 <kblin> man, I wish
Jun 18 06:57:26 * kblin is living out in the nowhere, internet-wise
Jun 18 06:57:56 <KeatonT> I just upgraded to new Fios quantum service.
Jun 18 06:58:04 <KeatonT> 75Mbps down 35Mbps u[p
Jun 18 06:58:05 <KeatonT> up*
Jun 18 06:58:26 <KeatonT> Totally unnecessary but scores me some bragging rights. :P
Jun 18 06:59:21 * dm8tbr got downgraded from 2x 100M ethernet into 10GE backbone in his last flat to 512k UMTS...
Jun 18 07:00:11 <KeatonT> wow.
Jun 18 07:00:54 <KeatonT> dm8tbr that sucks
Jun 18 07:01:07 <KeatonT> bet it felt like being tossed back into the stone age.
Jun 18 07:01:17 <dm8tbr> indeed
Jun 18 07:01:33 <dm8tbr> I'm supposed to get 100/10 VDSL2 at some point, but it still sucks
Jun 18 07:01:47 <KeatonT> VDSL isn't bad.
Jun 18 07:02:01 <KeatonT> as long as you manage to live within 1000ft of the VRAD
Jun 18 07:02:05 <dm8tbr> can't even get IPv6 from that ISP...
Jun 18 07:02:17 <dm8tbr> the DSLAM is in the basement
Jun 18 07:02:38 <dm8tbr> so it could easily offer 100/100, but they don't :(
Jun 18 07:03:24 <KeatonT> yep it's all political
Jun 18 07:04:07 <KeatonT> Is it sad that I'm annoyed that I have to wait 48 hours for me upgraded service to become active.
Jun 18 07:04:20 <KeatonT> Like really… what needs to be done that requires it to take 48 hours.
Jun 18 07:31:40 <Guest87417> Hi everybody, I am currently working on the assembling of some electronic components and I have the beaglebone microcontroller but it is my third day of trying to connect to it and still no luck
Jun 18 07:32:07 <Guest87417> I have no experience and will appreciate some assistance, my computer is running on windows 7
Jun 18 07:41:18 <KeatonT> What do you mean by connect to it?
Jun 18 07:41:29 <KeatonT> Like over ethernet or USB?
Jun 18 07:42:12 <KeatonT> Guest87417
Jun 18 07:51:22 <stuk_gen> somebody can tell me how can i use qt embedded for cross compile my application from qt creator?
Jun 18 07:53:16 <stuk_gen> i try meta-toolchain-qte but don't work
Jun 18 08:08:17 <w|zzy> stuk_gen: http://treyweaver.blogspot.com.au/2010/10/setting-up-qt-development-environment.html
Jun 18 08:15:52 <stuk_gen> w|zzy: all tutorial on internet using a simple cross compile, i need a lot of dependency like dbus gstremer phonon
Jun 18 08:16:23 <w|zzy> have you rolled your own distro?
Jun 18 08:16:31 <w|zzy> might be the wrong terminology
Jun 18 08:16:43 <aholler> then don't cross-compile
Jun 18 08:17:09 <stuk_gen> w|zzy: when i started many months ago i 'manually' build qt for using on beagleboard
Jun 18 08:17:11 <w|zzy> Thats just silly aholler
Jun 18 08:17:25 <aholler> why?
Jun 18 08:17:29 <w|zzy> yep. but you will need to do it again from a build environment with gstreamer and all the rest
Jun 18 08:17:37 <stuk_gen> but its a lot of paint because i need a lot of package and every package need another package
Jun 18 08:17:51 <w|zzy> Would be dreadfully slow. I guess it depends on the amount of hardware you have
Jun 18 08:17:52 <stuk_gen> so i'm change to angstrom, i think is a best solution
Jun 18 08:18:18 <stuk_gen> but the meta-toolchain-qte don't work in qt creator
Jun 18 08:18:49 <stuk_gen> so i'm stopped...and i dont know how can i solve this
Jun 18 08:18:53 <w|zzy> i didnt use that
Jun 18 08:19:03 <stuk_gen> w|zzy: what do you use?
Jun 18 08:19:11 <w|zzy> i built my own qte from sources using the toolchain from my angstrom build
Jun 18 08:19:21 <aholler> w|zzy: you mean native compiling is silly because cross-compiling is fasterand you can spend weeks to get all patches for everything to cross-compile?
Jun 18 08:19:35 <aholler> that is silly
Jun 18 08:19:44 <w|zzy> aholler: I see your point.. if you read up it didnt take me weeks!
Jun 18 08:19:46 <stuk_gen> w|zzy: and you use dbus gstreamer and other libraries?
Jun 18 08:20:07 <w|zzy> I havent attempted.
Jun 18 08:20:54 <w|zzy> i thought building it with opengl support would be hard.. but it found all that itself
Jun 18 08:21:20 <stuk_gen> for powervr?
Jun 18 08:23:29 <w|zzy> my build was for a beaglebone but yes.. powervr]
Jun 18 08:23:48 <stuk_gen> this is simple...need only 2 pathes and 2 defines
Jun 18 08:25:38 <w|zzy> Cool
Jun 18 08:26:14 <stuk_gen> w|zzy: but you have to download the package for glx from ti or you have use the package in sysroot?
Jun 18 08:26:24 <w|zzy> aholler: once i got the build setup i easily transferred it between computers. Ultimately it saved quite a bit of time. qtcreator has cool deploy functionality too
Jun 18 08:26:38 <w|zzy> oe  automatically downloaded it from ti
Jun 18 08:27:11 <aholler> w|zzy: so explain stuk_gen how he get all his needed dependecies into his environment
Jun 18 08:28:01 <aholler> not everything is that easy to cross-compile like qt and the kernel
Jun 18 08:28:26 <w|zzy> the openembedded scripts handled it all.
Jun 18 08:28:51 <w|zzy> handled all of the base and toolchain
Jun 18 08:29:03 <w|zzy> then the link i gave is how i did compiled qte
Jun 18 08:29:23 <w|zzy> i did compiled :S
Jun 18 08:29:47 <stuk_gen> w|zzy: so you have only use -opengl and its found the opengl package without use MK_SPECS or something similar?
Jun 18 08:30:34 <w|zzy> I used the ./configure -opensource -confirm-license -prefix /opt/qt-arm -no-qt3support -embedded arm -little-endian -xplatform qws/linux-DM3730-g++ -qtlibinfix E
Jun 18 08:30:39 <w|zzy> well i changed the xplatform!
Jun 18 08:31:08 <stuk_gen> this configuration doesnt have opengl
Jun 18 08:32:53 <w|zzy> oh.. sorry i added -opengl
Jun 18 08:33:00 <w|zzy> woops
Jun 18 08:33:04 <w|zzy> it was 2 weeks ago
Jun 18 08:33:38 <w|zzy> there is an option for stopping it from compiling the examples
Jun 18 08:33:46 <stuk_gen> -noexample
Jun 18 08:33:55 <stuk_gen> -nodemo
Jun 18 08:34:35 <w|zzy> iono youd have to look it up
Jun 18 08:35:48 <stuk_gen> when i use opengl i have to set up some variables on qmake.conf for pointing to the sgx sdk root
Jun 18 08:37:57 <w|zzy> i didnt have to.
Jun 18 10:03:18 <av500> koen: http://git.omapzoom.org/?p=kernel/omap.git;a=commitdiff;h=49c201f9dd56f995f4b73aa5e31adc4d6509489f
Jun 18 10:09:50 <stuk_gen> gnome-desktop_2.32.1bb fail to compile...good
Jun 18 10:10:23 <av500> the future is mobile
Jun 18 10:10:55 <stuk_gen> the future is change using angstrom i think
Jun 18 10:12:32 <jakeday> angstrom sucks
Jun 18 10:14:36 <stuk_gen> jakeday: best solution?
Jun 18 10:14:50 <jakeday> a real distro
Jun 18 10:14:55 <stuk_gen> jakeday: like?
Jun 18 10:14:57 <jakeday> slackware or debian
Jun 18 10:15:12 <jakeday> hell even ubuntu would work
Jun 18 10:15:22 <stuk_gen> jakeday: on beagleboard and bone?
Jun 18 10:15:29 <jakeday> yes
Jun 18 10:47:25 <Crofton|work> jakeday, you are aware of the debian/ubuntu downsides?
Jun 18 10:48:34 <mru> well, they are debian/ubuntu
Jun 18 10:48:38 <mru> need more?
Jun 18 10:49:18 <jakeday> hence why i said slackware first
Jun 18 10:53:04 <Crofton|work> mru, has any of the linaro compiler work improved gcc's ability to output neon
Jun 18 10:53:22 * Crofton|work does not expect gcc to be better then mru though :)
Jun 18 10:53:45 <mru> it doesn't totally mess up quite so often as it used to
Jun 18 10:54:12 <mru> auto-vectorisation is still more of a loss than a gain though
Jun 18 10:54:29 <Crofton|work> can you beat your overlords into making that a priority :)
Jun 18 10:55:03 <mru> I don't expect it to do anything useful for at least another 5 years
Jun 18 10:55:11 <Crofton|work> please
Jun 18 10:55:11 <mru> and three compiler technology breakthroughs
Jun 18 10:55:13 <Crofton|work> beat them :)
Jun 18 10:55:15 <mru> I'm serious
Jun 18 10:55:24 <mru> it's a very, very hard problem
Jun 18 10:55:35 <mru> you're better off doing it manually
Jun 18 10:56:10 <mru> what do you need to speed up?
Jun 18 10:56:19 <Crofton|work> everything :)
Jun 18 10:56:38 <mru> the heat death of the universe then
Jun 18 10:58:31 <Crofton|work> that will be fun to watch
Jun 18 10:58:54 <mru> yeah, I've made a reservation at the restaurant
Jun 18 11:02:34 * tasslehoff thought to make a joke about the rewinding, but its hard to get time travel jokes right
Jun 18 11:02:47 <mru> try again yesterday
Jun 18 11:04:36 <tasslehoff> I'll see if I had the time
Jun 18 11:34:05 <wmat> mru: do linaro gcc improvements get pushed upstream right away?
Jun 18 11:35:43 <mru> all work is done upstream, then backported to the release branches
Jun 18 11:35:58 <mru> it's rare for a release to have a change that isn't in the 4.8 development branch
Jun 18 11:59:59 <gmpff> mru: thanks for the answer to my earlier question.
Jun 18 12:01:56 <gmpff> Which combination of board (beagle bone),  camera and linux distro (Angstrom) manifests the USB isochronous mode issue ?
Jun 18 12:02:14 <gmpff> And is there one of these I can change to get a working USB webcam on the beagle bone ?
Jun 18 12:03:04 <mru> there are people who know the usb quirks better than me
Jun 18 12:06:57 <Tamilarasi> Hi all,how to check UART communication in beaglebone
Jun 18 12:14:54 <gmpff> thanks
Jun 18 12:17:07 <hitlin37> Tamilarasi:just like any other board
Jun 18 12:24:25 <stuk_gen> about building gnome-desktop-2.32.1: libxcb-util.la is not a valid libtoll archive...someone get similar issue?
Jun 18 13:47:32 <kli_> Hy ... i amnew here and not shure whether my question fits here very well but i will give it a try
Jun 18 13:47:56 <av500> just ask
Jun 18 13:48:20 <kli_> i am working with C6Accel on a Beagleboard xM Rev.C with an Angstrom kernel 2.6.32
Jun 18 13:49:01 <kli_> actually i want to start my C6Accel application automatically at boottime
Jun 18 13:50:48 <kli_> to achieve the goal i created a file in /etc/init.d which calles another scriptfile
Jun 18 13:51:41 <kli_> to load it on boottime i created a link to this file in the folder /etc/rc5.d which is named S99kli-boot
Jun 18 13:52:10 <av500> and?
Jun 18 13:53:35 <kli_> the final called scriptfile set the CE_DEBUG=3 and write a logfile which shows that the C6Accel-app can not find the c6accel_omap3530.x64P server
Jun 18 13:54:09 <av500> and if you start it by hand it works?
Jun 18 13:54:42 <av500> so make your script cd into the folder where c6accel_omap3530.x64P is
Jun 18 13:54:49 <av500> and start it from there
Jun 18 13:55:01 <kli_> if i start the script i have the same error but i can call the prog directly from the console
Jun 18 13:57:08 <kli_> the script is in the same directory as the c6accel_omap3530.x64P and the app
Jun 18 14:03:00 <kli_> but if i use a different prog like a hello_world it works just fine
Jun 18 14:08:07 <av500> well, hello world does not need to find the server
Jun 18 14:12:26 <kli_> well i found out that the CE_DEBUG=3 causes that i can not start the script manually
Jun 18 14:13:40 <kli_> export CE_DEBUG=3
Jun 18 14:14:05 <kli_> is the line in the script file which i had to delete
Jun 18 14:15:23 <kli_> but now i have no information why it is not booting :-(
Jun 18 14:15:51 <kli_> any ideas how i could debug that ?
Jun 18 14:26:44 <jet> I'm trying to compile the template "blinked.js" on cloud9, but I have the following error : warn  - error raised: Error: EADDRINUSE, Address already in use (beagle bone)
Jun 18 14:26:55 <jet> I'm not sure how to fix that
Jun 18 14:27:10 <jet> (I just rebooted my beagle bone)
Jun 18 14:30:35 <jet> I tried to do git pull and opkg update and install according to that : http://osdir.com/ml/beagleboard/2012-02/msg00786.html but it still doesn't work for me
Jun 18 14:41:31 <kli_> or any suggestions how i could declare the path of the c6accel server ?
Jun 18 14:47:18 <_sundar_> PATH=/path/to/your/application
Jun 18 14:47:33 <_sundar_> in the script you have
Jun 18 14:47:40 <kli_> i have a
Jun 18 14:48:15 <kli_> PATH=$PATH:/path/to/files/
Jun 18 14:48:35 <kli_> export PATH
Jun 18 14:48:43 <kli_> in my file
Jun 18 14:51:16 <kli_>    /path/to/files/ = /path/to/your/application
Jun 18 15:49:42 <mog> hello
Jun 18 15:50:40 <mog> can anyone tell me if this board would be compatible with a beagle bone ? http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16158
Jun 18 15:51:42 <av500> no
Jun 18 15:51:52 <prpplague> mog: no, it is designed for the beagle or beagle-xm
Jun 18 15:52:14 <prpplague> mog: techicanlly you could wire it up to the bone, but if you are looking for something that is just plug and play, then no
Jun 18 15:52:22 <mog> i understand that but i cant just build a cable to adjust hte pin out?
Jun 18 15:52:49 <prpplague> you could but TCT is not going to give you tech support or warranty the board
Jun 18 15:53:02 <mog> i understand that
Jun 18 15:53:13 <av500> then its just a TI SN75LVDS83B break out board
Jun 18 15:55:19 <mog> mhmm
Jun 18 15:56:42 <prpplague> yea, nothing more than an 83B breakout board
Jun 18 15:56:58 <prpplague> just as easy to solder a 83B on a breakout board
Jun 18 15:58:15 <mog> ya i just wanted something closet to plug in play for this first.  i guess ill start with the hdmi  instead first
Jun 18 15:58:37 <prpplague> good choice
Jun 18 16:36:30 <aholler> hmm, nvidia got some strong words from linus ;)
Jun 18 16:37:23 <prpplague> aholler: oh? didn't see they had responded
Jun 18 16:37:28 <prpplague> aholler: url?
Jun 18 16:38:00 <aholler> I meant the finger from linus ;)
Jun 18 16:38:28 <mog> its really his fault
Jun 18 16:38:35 <mog> i dont see how he can be so angry with them
Jun 18 16:38:43 <jet> prpplague: http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/17/3092829/linus-torvalds-fuck-you-nvidia
Jun 18 16:39:09 <mru> mog: have you ever tried to do anything with nvidia kit beyond basic xorg drivers on x86 linux?
Jun 18 16:39:25 <mog> no i have not ,because they arent free
Jun 18 16:39:36 <mog> and i do what i can to not support gpl violators
Jun 18 16:39:37 <mru> well, there you go
Jun 18 16:39:49 <mru> I don't see how they're violating the gpl anywhere
Jun 18 16:39:55 <mog> if linus inforced the gpl on the kernel then they wouldnt be a problem
Jun 18 16:39:59 <av500> mru: by not using it :)
Jun 18 16:40:05 <mog> the kernel is gplv2
Jun 18 16:40:09 <mru> yes, so?
Jun 18 16:40:13 <mog> modules to the kernel should be gplv2
Jun 18 16:40:21 <mru> that's not a requirement
Jun 18 16:40:23 <mog> linus has stated publically he isnt going after these people
Jun 18 16:40:28 <mru> bsd is fine too
Jun 18 16:40:29 <av500> mog: that would just shift closed stuff to user space
Jun 18 16:40:40 <mog> if you read the gpl its defines lining
Jun 18 16:40:43 <mru> the linux glue code for the nvidia drivers _is_ gpl
Jun 18 16:40:43 <mog> er linking
Jun 18 16:40:49 <prpplague> aholler: oh i thought you ment that nvidia had responded
Jun 18 16:40:55 <mru> the binary part is shared across all OSes
Jun 18 16:41:00 <mog> mru fine, then they are guilty of inciting people to violate the gpl
Jun 18 16:41:03 <mru> it is in no way derived from gpl code
Jun 18 16:41:09 <mog> see similar cases with samba
Jun 18 16:41:15 <mru> there is no violation
Jun 18 16:41:19 <mru> now stop spreading fud
Jun 18 16:41:22 <mog> im not
Jun 18 16:41:43 <mog> but linus has stated he has no intention of going after these people
Jun 18 16:41:51 <mog> much to the chagrin of fsf and others like them
Jun 18 16:42:07 <aholler> linus doesn't have a problem with real problem with binary blobs.
Jun 18 16:42:13 <mog> correct
Jun 18 16:42:24 <aholler> s/a problem with//
Jun 18 16:42:24 <mru> binary blobs are troublesome in many ways
Jun 18 16:42:28 <mru> but they are not illegal
Jun 18 16:42:28 <mog> aholler, and yet he has a problem with the biggest distributor of them
Jun 18 16:42:29 <av500> linus has no obligation to serve the fsf
Jun 18 16:42:34 <av500> or their agenda
Jun 18 16:42:34 <mog> agreed
Jun 18 16:42:43 <mog> i dont fault him for his diference of opinion
Jun 18 16:42:52 <mranostay> heh i see everyone has seen that video by now :)
Jun 18 16:42:54 <mog> im annoyed with his complaint as it comes from his earlier choicese
Jun 18 16:43:08 <av500> mranostay: I saw it yesterday, which makes me cool
Jun 18 16:43:13 <mru> no, the complaint goes far beyond the binary blob
Jun 18 16:43:30 <av500> blob and docs would be fine
Jun 18 16:43:33 <av500> blob and help too
Jun 18 16:43:50 <aholler> mog: what makes you believe it's because of nvidias blobs? he just said it's hard to work the people. So everything beyond is your interpretation
Jun 18 16:43:53 <mru> blob and a bit of common courtesy
Jun 18 16:43:58 <av500> yep
Jun 18 16:44:18 <mru> nvidia would be just as difficult to deal with if their code were open
Jun 18 16:44:20 * mog sighs 
Jun 18 16:44:23 <mog> nevermind
Jun 18 16:44:28 * av500 sighs back
Jun 18 16:44:28 * mog putters off in corner 
Jun 18 16:44:55 * av500 defends *his* corner
Jun 18 16:46:51 * mranostay defends his honor
Jun 18 16:46:58 <aholler> maybe linus had an laptop with an optimus chip too ;)
Jun 18 16:47:18 <av500> if only linus would use a laptop that is really "free"
Jun 18 16:47:42 <aholler> you think he still pays for his laptops?
Jun 18 16:48:07 <aholler> ;)
Jun 18 16:53:44 <aholler> I still wonder what was so "free" with rms laptop
Jun 18 16:54:40 <mru> it's not like the designs of the chips inside it are free
Jun 18 16:55:06 <mru> apparently it comes with an open source "bios"
Jun 18 16:55:17 <mranostay> bfd :)
Jun 18 16:55:26 <mru> but you can put coreboot on many x86 laptops if that's important to you
Jun 18 16:55:45 <aholler> I think he just liked that it was mips
Jun 18 16:56:23 <av500> it was so free, he even set it free
Jun 18 16:56:29 * mdp falls on his sword
Jun 18 16:56:42 <mru> I think he just like the fact that it was the most awkward machine ever built
Jun 18 16:57:18 <mru> it's like these health-food freaks who insist on only eating stuff that tastes shit
Jun 18 16:57:39 <mranostay> heh :)
Jun 18 16:58:08 <av500> mru: that's because shit tastes "natural"
Jun 18 16:58:53 <mru> and that is just a modern manifestation of the ancient principles of just about all religions that anything enjoyable is sinful
Jun 18 16:59:14 <mranostay> mru: sinning is so much fun though :)
Jun 18 16:59:24 <mru> yes, that's the converse
Jun 18 17:00:32 * av500 likes sinning in the rain
Jun 18 17:01:00 <mru> whatever works for you...
Jun 18 17:01:58 <mranostay> av500: what ungodly things you do in the rain?
Jun 18 17:03:03 <mru> rain can certainly be a good reason to keep indoors and be sinful, but sinning _in_ the rain...
Jun 18 17:03:17 <mru> ah, maybe his roof is leaking
Jun 18 17:06:26 <mranostay> or he has understanding neighbors
Jun 18 17:07:05 <mru> maybe they are involved in the sins too
Jun 18 17:13:31 * mranostay reviews node.js code
Jun 18 17:13:51 <mru> _now_ we're talking sins
Jun 18 17:14:27 <kkeller> mranostay:  I archived this conversation to rub it in your face later
Jun 18 17:14:37 <mranostay> hey day job stuff so sue me :)
Jun 18 17:15:03 <mru> if you're smart enough, you have a choice of day job
Jun 18 17:15:23 * kkeller lol
Jun 18 17:15:49 <mru> if you're also lucky, the choices include 'none'
Jun 18 17:18:06 <mru> the dumb and lucky spend it all on booze and hookers
Jun 18 17:19:45 <mranostay> mru: so what are we smart and jinxed?
Jun 18 17:20:10 <mru> engineers
Jun 18 17:20:59 <mranostay> same difference
Jun 18 17:21:31 <mru> but it does give a choice of day job
Jun 18 17:23:44 <icota> koen: who do i send patches for davinci-mcasp? some stuff stuff which shouldn't be hardcoded is...
Jun 18 17:24:29 <icota> *stuff there
Jun 18 17:26:08 <mranostay> mru: it would if i didn't slack off and finish my degree in whatever :)
Jun 18 17:27:00 <mranostay> Tartarus: so the ext2 uImage load time got fixed in uboot?
Jun 18 17:30:50 <mru> mranostay: you think I finished a degree?
Jun 18 17:31:42 <mdp> icota: scripts/get_maintainer.pl -f sound/soc/davinci/davinci-mcasp.c
Jun 18 17:31:54 <Tartarus> mranostay: that time was fat :)
Jun 18 17:32:17 <icota> mdp: sad thing is i actually knew that
Jun 18 17:32:28 * mranostay thinks Tartarus is high right now :)
Jun 18 17:32:37 <av500> davinci still exists?
Jun 18 17:32:40 <Tartarus> you're the one that brought this to the wrong channel :)
Jun 18 17:33:06 <icota> av500: well it's in the beagle, maybe you call it something else?
Jun 18 17:34:14 <mdp> av500, davinci is the future
Jun 18 17:35:50 <av500> winter is coming
Jun 18 17:36:02 <Tartarus> But, lets gather some opinions in here
Jun 18 17:36:18 <Tartarus> For v2012.07 of U-Boot, I'm thinking of disabling dcache in the config, so that USB remains usable
Jun 18 17:36:40 <mru> and everything else unusable?
Jun 18 17:36:51 <Tartarus> more or less so than currently?
Jun 18 17:36:59 <Tartarus> It's <3sec from power on to uImage loaded
Jun 18 17:37:06 <Tartarus> at which point dcache is off anyways
Jun 18 17:37:10 <mru> oh, you're talking about uboot
Jun 18 17:37:24 <Tartarus> yes, just u-boot and u-boot spl
Jun 18 17:37:53 <Tartarus> Lemme turn cache back on and see how long that takes
Jun 18 17:37:59 <mru> so how does usb work in the kernel?
Jun 18 17:38:07 <mru> with cache on
Jun 18 17:39:53 <mranostay> Tartarus: you got all that u-boot + DT stuff done right? :)
Jun 18 17:40:04 * mranostay ducks
Jun 18 17:40:40 <Tartarus> mru, it's a U-Boot driver problem, not a silicon problem or anything
Jun 18 17:41:04 <Tartarus> Some parts of the USB stack aren't properly aligned for cache flushes
Jun 18 17:41:08 <mranostay> dcache still doesn't work with u-boot?
Jun 18 17:41:21 <Tartarus> for all use cases, no, it does not
Jun 18 17:41:30 <Tartarus> it's good enough for say SD/MMC
Jun 18 17:41:33 <Tartarus> or NAND
Jun 18 17:41:41 <mdp> how's the cpsw updates for that?
Jun 18 17:41:42 <Tartarus> but USB and networking aren't
Jun 18 17:42:22 <Tartarus> ilyanok over there went with a new allocator, Marex asked why he didn't just make the driver flush the caches
Jun 18 17:42:30 <Tartarus> Ball is now in ilyanok's corner :)
Jun 18 17:43:07 <mdp> Tartarus, ilyanok handles the network stack memory allocation?
Jun 18 17:43:20 <mdp> that was the part I was concerned about when I looked at it some time back
Jun 18 17:44:55 <Tartarus> ilyanok has the cpsw driver in particular
Jun 18 17:44:55 <mdp> nothing was guaranteed aligned like in a real stack
Jun 18 17:44:56 <mog> does 1080p hd  h264 playback work on any of the beagleboards?
Jun 18 17:45:20 <Tartarus> And yes, I don't know if the networking stack is 100% safe all the time, but I believe folks have been working on it
Jun 18 17:46:05 <mdp> oh good
Jun 18 17:46:32 <mdp> Tartarus, maybe you should just dump u-boot and use the kernel to boot ;)
Jun 18 17:47:10 <mranostay> mdp: flamebaiting? :)
Jun 18 17:47:26 <Tartarus> mdp, I've already told someone my #1 prereq for that :)
Jun 18 17:47:29 <mru> just strap a config header to a browser and be done with it
Jun 18 17:47:50 <mdp> mranostay, I like to torture him sometimes
Jun 18 17:48:06 <mdp> that's why I pleaded with him to work in the same group
Jun 18 17:49:43 <Tartarus> I made him and mlocke do a beauty pageant for me.  mlocke won evening gown, mdp won swimsuit and q&a :)
Jun 18 17:50:20 <mdp> hey, everybody liked my project to bring the world more peas
Jun 18 17:50:27 <prpplague> Tartarus: eww
Jun 18 17:51:28 <mranostay> Tartarus: thanks now i have to bleach my eyeballs
Jun 18 17:52:09 <mdp> mranostay, no worse than the beaches in greece
Jun 18 17:54:20 <mranostay> heh
Jun 18 17:59:16 <jet> I'm trying to compile the template "blinked.js" on cloud9, but I have the following error : warn  - error raised: Error: EADDRINUSE, Address already in use (beagle bone)
Jun 18 17:59:17 <jet> I tried to do git pull and opkg update and install according to that : http://osdir.com/ml/beagleboard/2012-02/msg00786.html but it still doesn't work for me
Jun 18 18:10:23 <ilyanok> Tartarus: I believe I've answered to Marek, didn't you see it?
Jun 18 18:10:36 <Tartarus> ilyanok: poking mutt now
Jun 18 18:10:53 <Tartarus> hasn't hit my inbox yet
Jun 18 18:10:57 <ilyanok> argh
Jun 18 18:11:02 <ilyanok> damn gmail
Jun 18 18:11:13 <ilyanok> sent it to Marek only
Jun 18 18:12:33 <_av500_> mog: no
Jun 18 18:12:45 <_av500_> at least not a usable frame rates
Jun 18 18:12:49 <_av500_> at
Jun 18 18:13:16 <mru> it's physically impossible
Jun 18 18:13:45 <Tartarus> ilyanok: part of why I eventually got mutt hooked into gmail
Jun 18 18:13:54 <Tartarus> and made gmail able to send as my ti.com address
Jun 18 18:16:21 <ilyanok> Well, I think I have to use some mail client too...
Jun 18 18:17:20 <prpplague> koen: i take it you got back from the state ok?
Jun 18 18:33:09 <pragueexpat> does anyone know how to get the bluetooth device driver ath3k for beaglebone?
Jun 18 18:45:47 <mranostay> atheros's motto should be forsake all hope ye that enter here
Jun 18 18:46:36 <mru> they've got better
Jun 18 18:47:15 <Tartarus> prpplague: He has arrived, yeah, was complaining about the trains earlier :)
Jun 18 18:47:41 <prpplague> hehe
Jun 18 18:47:54 <mru> he who complains about trains has not seen buses
Jun 18 18:48:56 <prpplague> mru: got a questions for you.....
Jun 18 18:49:05 <mru> shoot
Jun 18 18:50:36 <mranostay> mru: esp american buses..
Jun 18 18:51:11 <prpplague> mru: say you have two userspace applications, both are designed to open and operate on a uart device node. so without making changes to either application, what would be a good technique to allow them to talk to each other running on the same host? basically it would be a character device pipe
Jun 18 18:51:25 <prpplague> mru: my first thought would be to use a ptty
Jun 18 18:52:26 <mru> do they expect to control the thing as if it were a uart?
Jun 18 18:52:33 <mru> e.g. setting bitrate and such
Jun 18 18:53:02 <mru> you could probably fake something based on a named pipe
Jun 18 18:53:26 <mru> simple hack: make the pipe fd ignore things you'd normally do to a uart
Jun 18 18:54:45 <prpplague> mru: yea they normally would try to setup some termios stuff, but ignoring those should be ok
Jun 18 18:55:17 <mru> if you're "lucky" the apps are poorly written and ignore errors
Jun 18 18:55:19 <prpplague> mru: just trying to make it as functional as possible without any hacks to the kernel and/or appications
Jun 18 18:55:35 <mru> you could do an LD_PRELOAD hack
Jun 18 18:56:19 <prpplague> true
Jun 18 18:56:46 <prpplague> mru: ptty's basically ignore most of the uart style setups without returning an error
Jun 18 18:57:02 <prpplague> mru: but i don't like the random assignment of ptty's under most conditions
Jun 18 18:57:33 <mru> I've never really done much with ptys
Jun 18 18:58:54 * prpplague has abused the use of ptys often
Jun 18 19:01:28 <prpplague> mru: thanks for the feedback
Jun 18 19:01:57 <mru> if a pty doesn't need any additional setup, then I guess that should work too
Jun 18 19:02:08 <mru> it is after all just a glorified fifo
Jun 18 19:05:15 <prpplague> mru: yea, only issue is making sure that during the setup of the pty, both applications need to know the device node name, so i'll need some way of facilitating that
Jun 18 19:05:22 * prpplague will make some test apps
Jun 18 19:05:51 <mru> presumably the apps already take a filename as input
Jun 18 19:06:59 <prpplague> mru: yea, just need a wrapper to request the pty and then pass matching slave/master names to the apps
Jun 18 19:09:20 <gerardo> hi can anyone help with the BeagleBoard xm'm trying to make it work with the camera driver Li-5m03 but the more I've come is to show me the interface but did not detect mouse, keyboard and ethernet, this by the LED D14 will not turn on, ie is not getting power to make it work
Jun 18 19:15:00 <gerardo> or can help me install the external toolchain asking me in the construction of buildtoot that already contains the camera? this is the direction
Jun 18 19:15:13 <gerardo> http://blog.galemin.com/2012/03/buildroot-2012-02-for-beagleboard-xm-with-li-5m03-mt9p031-camera-support/
Jun 18 19:23:56 <gerardo> there is a limitation if I use a virtual machine instead of a real machine in the process of generating kernel prevention image
Jun 18 19:24:49 <mru> wtf is a kernel prevention image?
Jun 18 19:36:28 <mranostay> mru: i second that
Jun 18 19:36:54 <mru> is it some kind of "secure" boot loader?
Jun 18 19:50:53 <jet> I'm trying to play with the file system, but when I do : cd /sys/class/gpio ; echo 53 > export
Jun 18 19:51:01 <jet> i get echo: write error: Device or resource busy
Jun 18 19:51:35 <jet> is there a way to play with the user led directly with the file system? did I do something wrong?
Jun 18 19:52:38 <aholler> get root
Jun 18 19:52:50 <jet> I'm root
Jun 18 19:54:15 <aholler> ls -l export
Jun 18 19:54:34 <jet> yes, it exists
Jun 18 19:55:14 <jet> http://www.privatepaste.com/39993a1b1a
Jun 18 19:55:22 <aholler> then maybe the number is just wrong
Jun 18 19:56:12 <aholler> (used by something else)
Jun 18 19:58:43 <jet> I'm trying to use GPIO1_21
Jun 18 19:58:53 <jet> the user led 0
Jun 18 19:59:18 <jet> so I guess 1*32+21= 53
Jun 18 20:04:22 <jet> well, echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/beaglebone::usr3/brightness works better
Jun 18 20:05:42 <gerardo>  just realized that not reading the image because I forgot to copy it to the FAT partition and still charge the operating system, as I can make the image read, how smooth a league?
Jun 18 20:06:22 <gerardo> this for the camera li5m03 xm + BeagleBoard
Jun 18 20:22:43 <aakashthakkar> Hello, I recently purchased a beagle board rev c3, I cannot get it to communicate via serial, It worked once and now it just won't respond. The connections are proper, Can anyone suggest any reasons?
Jun 18 20:22:46 <aakashthakkar> Thank you.
Jun 18 20:24:59 <gerardo> then someone can help me with the BeagleBoard to configure the kernel and add the camera
Jun 18 20:49:35 <damjan> anyone knows why I get this [ 2556.030700] smsc95xx 1-2.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 2 may have been dropped
Jun 18 20:49:49 <damjan> I'm running latest ArchArm with kernel 3.4.2-1-ARCH
Jun 18 21:19:30 <prpplague> koen: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/EGdriv1tcn4
Jun 18 22:37:06 <Hydra> hi guys
Jun 18 22:37:55 <Hydra> does anyone know of anyone using lamp/led matrix and switch matrix with a beagleboard (xm)
Jun 18 22:39:09 <Hydra> we need to read about 64 switch inputs, and control about 256 leds and up to 64 high powered devices (solenoids, etc)
Jun 18 22:40:03 <Hydra> any advice on connectivity, exisiting expansion boards and/or device driver software greatly appreciated
Jun 18 22:40:05 <_av500_> use some kind of io expander
Jun 18 22:40:12 <_av500_> I2C based
Jun 18 22:40:19 <_av500_> or a small micro with many IO pins
Jun 18 22:40:24 <_av500_> depends a bit on your neds
Jun 18 22:40:26 <_av500_> needs
Jun 18 22:42:42 <_av500_> depends on the speed
Jun 18 23:04:02 <Hydra> av500 yes, i was thinking of using I2C expander.  Seems to be the simplest way to go.
Jun 18 23:15:06 <prp^2> Hydra: are they switches or buttons?
Jun 18 23:20:16 <SJ> anyone online using compact 7 with the XM board?
Jun 18 23:21:46 <mranostay> no i value my sanity to run anything MSFT related
Jun 18 23:22:57 <prpplague> sanity and soul
Jun 18 23:36:09 <mranostay> prpplague: i sold my soul awhile back so i don't have to worry about that :P
Jun 18 23:36:19 <prpplague> ahh ok
Jun 19 01:02:25 <sbma44> hey, so after running the mk_mmc.sh script here, should I have a bootable SD card? http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian it's not clear to exactly which parts are relevant to getting a minimally functional debian install working
Jun 19 01:02:48 <sbma44> but the beaglebone doesn't seem to come up on the network when I just use the results of that script (though the 'bone blinks away happily)
Jun 19 01:39:17 <sbma44> anyone here have any experience with running debian on the beaglebone?
Jun 19 01:46:45 * jkridner hasn't tried debian yet
Jun 19 01:47:32 <p00t> Sorry I've also not tried it.
Jun 19 01:59:35 <jakeday> hey
Jun 19 02:40:32 <Crofton|work> debian is built for an older instruction set
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