**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 07 02:59:59 2012
Aug 07 03:00:48 <ozzloy> furan, http://news.techeye.net/software/microsoft-furious-at-2000-bounty-for-open-source-kinect-drivers
Aug 07 03:01:02 <ozzloy> Microsoft will continue to make advances in these types of safeguards and work closely with law enforcement and product safety groups to keep Kinect tamper-resistant
Aug 07 03:01:22 <ozzloy> they have apparently reversed their initial response
Aug 07 03:03:17 <furan> hope that person was fired
Aug 07 03:03:31 <furan> I'm sure it was just one person reacting. it's never a whole company.
Aug 07 03:08:07 <thurbad> no, but it may be the official stance even if not the "entire" company
Aug 07 03:08:23 <ozzloy> it's totally in-line with my perception of ms
Aug 07 03:08:38 <ozzloy> anywho, kinect on beaglebone
Aug 07 03:10:27 <ozzloy> actually, more immediately
Aug 07 03:10:40 <ozzloy> i'd like to share my laptop's network
Aug 07 03:11:29 <ozzloy> via usb.  i'm running ubuntu on my laptop
Aug 07 03:13:16 <ozzloy> aw crap, i gtg
Aug 07 03:21:33 <prpplague> Ho ho hum
Aug 07 03:21:48 <prpplague> Massive net outage in dallas
Aug 07 03:23:09 <thurbad> d'oh
Aug 07 03:23:35 <thurbad> not affected here in austin
Aug 07 03:23:58 <prpplague> Yet
Aug 07 03:24:20 <thurbad> :/
Aug 07 03:24:27 <prpplague> Google says it has been spreading all day
Aug 07 03:25:26 <thurbad> this the same one that hit  wikipedia earlier today?
Aug 07 03:25:29 <prpplague> Must have IRC
Aug 07 03:25:48 <prpplague> Logged in from phone
Aug 07 03:25:57 <prpplague> Not sure
Aug 07 03:27:11 <prpplague> No git pulls for me tonight
Aug 07 04:31:50 <mranostay> prpplague: you broke the internet?
Aug 07 04:32:06 <prpplague> indeed
Aug 07 04:47:09 <mranostay> hate hate HATE for all the omap trees..
Aug 07 04:48:47 <dm8tbr> cut down the forrest? nuke it from orbit?
Aug 07 05:57:44 <_av500_> in austin, git pulls you
Aug 07 05:59:45 <mranostay> gah 11p already
Aug 07 06:02:02 <mranostay> how is in the world of _av500_ ?
Aug 07 06:15:00 <tasslehoff> koen: I need to be able to go between static and dynamic ip easily, and so far I suspect that means throwing out connmand from my image. I've tried setting COMMANPKGS to "" and modified systemd-compat-units.bbappend to not disable the sysvinit networking script, but no cigar.
Aug 07 06:21:45 <_av500_> tasslehoff: why? just use the python scripts to tell conmann over d-bus what you want it to do
Aug 07 06:21:52 <_av500_> nothing simpler than that
Aug 07 06:26:55 <tasslehoff> _av500_: I got scared away by reading http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/02/06/beaglebone-linux-101-assigning-a-static-ip-address-with-connman/
Aug 07 06:27:58 <tasslehoff> but I'll take another look
Aug 07 06:28:21 <_av500_> tasslehoff: yes, I know, I did that on my beagle since my stupid netgear router did not like the beagle MAC for a fixed dhcp address
Aug 07 06:28:33 <_av500_> and it was </sarcasm>
Aug 07 06:29:00 * tasslehoff really should have noticed that
Aug 07 07:21:57 <burris> hmm I guess I spoke too soon, with rt_preempt on the Bone I did eventually lose eth0
Aug 07 07:23:05 <burris> with preempt selected on the regular kernel eth0 doesn't work at all
Aug 07 07:37:32 <poot> Guys, I am utterly confused on how to make use of the various pins on the BeagleBone
Aug 07 07:37:56 <poot> I've parsed through the 4k page manual, and I'm still left scratching my head
Aug 07 07:38:27 <poot> Is there any resource that will point me in the right direction as to how to start programming the darn thing?
Aug 07 15:26:55 <spacecolonyone> Hi guys, I can't get man to work on the BBxM. Basically it looks like things are breaking at the pager. Busybox says it doesn't support the -i option.
Aug 07 15:28:06 <spacecolonyone> I'm using angstrom, and i've tried installing both real core utils and  more, but for some reason I can't seem to get this working
Aug 07 15:28:38 <W1N9Zr0> did you try installing less?
Aug 07 15:29:14 <spacecolonyone> no such package, as best i can tell. My understanding is it is part of GNU core utils, which i did try installing
Aug 07 15:29:54 <spacecolonyone> however it seems like it is (might be) omitted from the core utils package in angstrom
Aug 07 15:30:50 <W1N9Zr0> should be there, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=less
Aug 07 15:32:09 <spacecolonyone> I think I'm on feed v2012.05 which might explain why it is showing unknown package
Aug 07 15:32:46 <spacecolonyone> so now two questions: 1) how can I check which feed opkg is checking? 2) what to do it that is indeed the case.
Aug 07 15:50:55 * mranostay waves from the coffee shop
Aug 07 15:52:07 <prpplague> mranostay: greetings
Aug 07 15:53:06 * mranostay takes bets if running over a nail is going to cost him $35 or $140
Aug 07 15:53:38 <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: why notmake it cost you $666 and just send to me whats left over?
Aug 07 15:53:56 <mranostay> LetoThe2nd: how about no :)
Aug 07 15:54:11 <LetoThe2nd> a pity.
Aug 07 15:58:17 <spacecolonyone> ok, so now man still doesn't work, It runs but I get gunzip: broken pipe
Aug 07 15:58:48 <spacecolonyone> Any suggestions of how to debug this?
Aug 07 16:12:32 <flyingbed> does anyone know how to enable mmc2 on the beagleboard xm expansion header?
Aug 07 16:53:38 <prpplague> just fyi, there is an omap5 pandabaord wishlist thread up on the mailing list - feel free to post complaints as well - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandaboard/mQxpEEDM6Ww
Aug 07 16:58:41 <koen> prpplague: 4GB of ram, sata and 200 LEDs
Aug 07 16:58:51 <koen> prpplague: and enough gpios to bitbang serial
Aug 07 16:58:57 <prpplague> 200 BLUE LEDS
Aug 07 16:59:05 <prpplague> koen: hehe
Aug 07 17:00:21 <koen> I'll settle for full-size SD, battery backed RTC and expansion pins
Aug 07 17:00:28 <koen> sata would be nice of course
Aug 07 17:02:50 <prpplague> koen: yea sata seems to be the one common denominator for requests
Aug 07 17:03:50 <mru> I'll be happy if the chip itself has no serious errata
Aug 07 17:04:04 <mru> oh, and real onboard ethernet
Aug 07 17:04:15 <Russ> do they all have to be blue?
Aug 07 17:04:34 <prpplague> Russ: always
Aug 07 17:05:15 <koen> prpplague: I forget, does omap5 have pcie?
Aug 07 17:06:40 <prpplague> koen: not full pcie
Aug 07 17:06:52 <prpplague> koen: only enough for modem style pcie
Aug 07 17:07:10 <Russ> is it a usb enabled mini-pcie slot?
Aug 07 17:08:51 <prpplague> Russ: as i understand it, yes, only implemented enough of pcie for use with specific modem modules
Aug 07 17:10:04 <mdp> koen, you want 814x instead, I can sense it
Aug 07 17:16:23 <koen> mdp: my opinion on that still stands
Aug 07 17:16:39 <koen> mdp: I will set fire to any 814x on the premises
Aug 07 17:17:42 <mdp> I wonder if I can trigger that emotion by spamming you with photos of my dusty evm
Aug 07 17:20:00 <mdp> koen, perhaps under "new ownership" it will some day be your favorite
Aug 07 17:20:52 <koen> mdp: it's officially supported by ubuntu, how bad can it be?
Aug 07 17:22:22 <mdp> koen, famous last words, like, "here, hold my beer!" ;)
Aug 07 17:30:57 <koen> hmmmm
Aug 07 17:31:15 <koen> not the big result I hoped from setting the pixie dust trap
Aug 07 17:48:35 <koen> mdp: if you ever read rob landleys blog, kepe in mind he's on a 814x project at his dayjob
Aug 07 17:49:26 <mdp> yeah, I recall that. I think rob is the type of person to feed off such a beast
Aug 07 17:55:12 <mru> what's so horrible? specs look decent...
Aug 07 17:58:17 <koen> mru: well, it's no so much the chip as it is the people behind it
Aug 07 17:58:42 <koen> mru: they filed an official complaint after I asked 3 times for access to the m3 firmware binary needed to get video up
Aug 07 17:59:14 <mru> filed with whom? the kgb?
Aug 07 17:59:31 <koen> I was still at TI back then
Aug 07 18:00:03 <koen> that incident illustrates the complete clusterfuck that is ti81xx
Aug 07 18:07:34 <spacecolonyone> Would someone kindly explain the concept behind the different feeds? I needed real less, it is in the repo (e.g. less 444-r0 v2012.xx ... and others), but "opkg install less" gave me no such package, I think I am on 2012.05, which wasn't listed so that makes sense (ASIDE: how do i check which feed I'm on?). I got it to install by specifying the url to the 2012.xx version that was also armv7a and it (apparently) works.
Aug 07 18:07:46 <spacecolonyone> So what I'm trying to understand is: 1) How do I control (or find out) the feed opkg is using? 2) What potential compatibility issues am I creating by doing what I did? 3) Is there a way to determine ahead of time if doing what I did is going to work (I tried --noaction, is that enough?)? 4) Finally, just the concept of the feeds more generally.
Aug 07 18:08:16 <spacecolonyone> (I asked this over in #angstrom a few hours ago, but nobody is around)
Aug 07 18:09:04 <koen> spacecolonyone: the short version: don't touch opkg configs, don't install stuff using direct urls
Aug 07 18:09:30 <koen> spacecolonyone: less and man are on their way, it will take ~2 hours to sync it to all the mirrors
Aug 07 18:09:34 <spacecolonyone> yea, I was afraid of that. whats the long version?
Aug 07 18:09:41 <koen> spacecolonyone: best bet is to ask on the angstrom-devel mailing list
Aug 07 18:09:45 <spacecolonyone> ok
Aug 07 18:10:09 <spacecolonyone> koen, all this cam about because i'm just trying to get man to work on target
Aug 07 18:10:30 <koen> I read the backlog
Aug 07 18:10:45 <koen> I added less and man to the autobuild list and went to dinner :)
Aug 07 18:10:56 <mdp> koen, I'm so happy that the sitara versions of those parts died a horrible death.
Aug 07 18:11:03 <spacecolonyone> the direct URL thing with less fixed an issue i was having with the pager failing on no -i option, but now I get broken pipe options from gunzip
Aug 07 18:11:26 <koen> mdp: I'm happy to say that I had a hand in that :)
Aug 07 18:11:35 <spacecolonyone> koen: that makes my day!
Aug 07 18:11:36 <mdp> the world thanks you
Aug 07 18:12:14 <koen> spacecolonyone: the longer version is that v2012.xx is the unstable branch that the v2012.05 branch of of
Aug 07 18:12:24 <koen> so they are largely compatible
Aug 07 18:13:39 <spacecolonyone> i suspect there are still issues with man lurking though. because of the proken pipe errors I'm getting. I got man via adding it to my custom recipe, not via a direct url
Aug 07 18:14:33 <koen> I had it working a few motnhs ago
Aug 07 18:14:42 <koen> I'll see if I can look at it again tomorrow
Aug 07 18:15:27 <spacecolonyone> k, thanks, I'll also go back and double check what exactly i added to my image install
Aug 07 18:16:10 <koen> It once took 3 months to track down a problem that turned out to be bashisms
Aug 07 18:16:18 <koen> I had installed bash, so I wasn't seeing it
Aug 07 18:32:06 <prpplague> koen: another good bazinga from #rpi
Aug 07 18:32:10 <prpplague> koen: <ziltro2> What's wrong with the idea of ARM DOS‽
Aug 07 18:33:04 <mru> what's _not_ wrong?
Aug 07 18:34:10 <koen> just use dosbox :)
Aug 07 18:34:38 <mru> the gpl discussion eariler was funny
Aug 07 18:34:50 <prpplague> mru: oh i missed that one
Aug 07 18:35:13 <mru> I'll dig it out for you
Aug 07 18:35:32 <mru> later, at pub atm
Aug 07 18:36:22 <prpplague> mru: no worries
Aug 07 18:36:45 <mru> I never worry
Aug 07 18:37:08 <mru> everything goes to hell just fine anyway
Aug 07 18:37:17 * prpplague worries enough mru and several other people
Aug 07 18:42:23 <mranostay> mru: are you my long lost brother? :P
Aug 07 18:44:03 <mranostay> prpplague: i never worry either. the worst i can do is get fired :P
Aug 07 18:44:04 <spacecolonyone> mru: at pub? on what? phone/ client?
Aug 07 18:45:25 <mru> phone, irssi
Aug 07 18:46:02 <mru> mranostay: hey, that's what I say
Aug 07 18:46:15 <mru> most recently to my boss
Aug 07 18:55:09 <mdp> prpplague: hrm, maybe DOS on an 8088 cape is another project...
Aug 07 18:55:16 <koen> 6502!
Aug 07 18:55:31 <prpplague> mdp: hehe
Aug 07 18:55:40 <prpplague> mdp: 8048
Aug 07 18:55:48 <mdp> don't discount the vision of #rpi
Aug 07 18:56:51 <koen> THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!
Aug 07 18:57:22 <prpplague> hehe
Aug 07 18:58:30 <mranostay> why?
Aug 07 18:59:25 <koen> mranostay: Y U HATE CHILDREN????!??!?
Aug 07 18:59:32 <koen> </r-pi mode>
Aug 07 19:01:08 <mranostay> mru: they let you back in #rpi?
Aug 07 19:02:40 <mdp> an otherwise exclusive club...
Aug 07 19:03:04 <mdp> mru, the wiringPi/gpl discussion from earlier?
Aug 07 19:12:26 <prpplague> mru: <hotwings> man i miss how the channel was 6 months ago.. far less of this dumb stuff.
Aug 07 19:57:22 <mru> prpplague: gpl fun as promised: http://pastie.org/4407668
Aug 07 20:17:49 <prpplague> mru: thanks!
Aug 07 20:18:20 <spacecolonyone> hmm "man man" -> no such file /usr/bin/gtbl-> groff normally provides -> groff installed, check-> generate query?
Aug 07 20:18:37 <spacecolonyone> also, find / -name gtbl gives nothing
Aug 07 20:20:22 <prpplague> mru: hehe
Aug 07 20:22:16 <drgalaxy> my BeagleBone seems to have given up the ghost, but I see no signs of damage or part failure.  Is there any kind of "super" reset sequence I can try?  The PWR light blinks when I give it juice (USB or 5v)
Aug 07 20:23:29 <dm8tbr> drgalaxy: do you have a working sd card inserted?
Aug 07 20:23:41 <mru> was there blue smoke?
Aug 07 20:23:56 <drgalaxy> no, I didn't smell anything
Aug 07 20:24:15 <drgalaxy> I was pulling things off of a breadboard which was still attached (yes, this is probably 100% my fault)
Aug 07 20:24:19 <mru> hey, someone said something intentionally funny on #rpi:
Aug 07 20:24:20 <mru> 21:23 <+ladoga> i thought raspberry cluster is called a shrubbery
Aug 07 20:24:27 <drgalaxy> :-P
Aug 07 20:30:01 <mdp> mru, heh, I was worried it was going to go further into "beowulf clusters" and povray for moment there
Aug 07 20:32:29 <drgalaxy> Assuming the dead Beagle Bone was due to my own blunder.. do I file and RMA and send it back to CircuitCo or toss it in the trash?  There are many on the mailing list with a similar situation (PWR light blinks, everything dead) who are instructed to RMA
Aug 07 20:33:31 <drgalaxy> mdp: I considered a few names for a cluster of 'Bones but figured it would get off-color quickly
Aug 07 20:33:57 <mdp> drgalaxy, it doesn't take much to head that direction
Aug 07 20:34:31 <dm8tbr> drgalaxy: have you tried with several different microSD cards?
Aug 07 20:34:49 <mru> drgalaxy: skeleton?
Aug 07 20:35:43 <drgalaxy> dm8tbr: I haven't, but tried without an SD card but I don't know what behavior would be expected with a functional unit (it just blinked for me)
Aug 07 20:36:03 <dm8tbr> usually: none
Aug 07 20:36:39 <dm8tbr> I'd recommend to try with several different µSD cards and also several images
Aug 07 20:36:47 <drgalaxy> do you think a different SD might behave differently?  OK I will give that a shot
Aug 07 20:37:12 <dm8tbr> also check the serial output over USB
Aug 07 20:37:22 <Splats> This ^
Aug 07 20:38:25 <drgalaxy> plugging into USB does not bump any of my system logs
Aug 07 20:38:47 <Splats> lsusb?
Aug 07 20:39:53 <dm8tbr> verify the USB port on your PC is ok. Power the board using a power supply
Aug 07 20:40:44 <koen> drgalaxy: in any case, it won't hurt to contact the rma department, they can give a good estimate
Aug 07 20:40:56 <drgalaxy> on a mac.. booting Linux VM.  no change in OSX logs with 5v + usb
Aug 07 20:41:24 <drgalaxy> Koen - thank you!  I didn't want them to think I was not accepting blame by filling out the RMA form
Aug 07 20:41:55 <koen> well
Aug 07 20:42:11 <koen> from what I've seen you can't fill in crazy enough stuff on rma forms
Aug 07 20:42:20 <drgalaxy> LOL
Aug 07 20:47:35 <mdp> koen, you may find that someone is playing a cruel joke on you...crafting random crazy RMA requests
Aug 07 20:47:50 <mdp> koen, not that I would condone such a thing, of course
Aug 07 20:48:43 <koen> I'm 2nd line, so the joke is on someone else :)
Aug 07 20:50:30 * mdp cancels all drafts
Aug 07 20:50:33 <mru> mdp: http://pastie.org/4407913
Aug 07 20:51:09 <mdp> mru, yeah, I know...I was hoping it would just hold at that and got my wish.
Aug 07 20:51:37 <mru> why? it could've got interesting
Aug 07 20:52:52 <mdp> I need small doses of this stuff
Aug 07 20:53:02 <mdp> I need to implement flow control on the crazies
Aug 07 20:54:10 <mdp> the excitement over the gpio controlled servo was as much as I could handle.
Aug 07 20:54:57 <mru> but.. but.. they did it with an *** R-PI *** !!!1!eleven!
Aug 07 20:55:23 <mdp> indeed
Aug 07 20:55:38 <drgalaxy> and it only cost $35!!!!!  AMAZING
Aug 07 20:55:49 <mru> btw, I'm still banned there
Aug 07 20:56:02 <ka6sox> I don't watch for hours and then scroll thru fast...
Aug 07 20:56:07 <ka6sox> when I need a chuckle.
Aug 07 20:56:35 <mdp> mru, I missed the banning event...is there a story?
Aug 07 20:57:08 <mru> I mentioned something about relying on the gpu blob to do basic system configuration, clocks etc, was a bad idea
Aug 07 20:57:30 <mdp> oooh, party foul
Aug 07 20:58:06 <ka6sox> wait...I saw mru being helpful there...did you get banned?
Aug 07 20:58:21 <mru> _troll_ got banned
Aug 07 20:58:31 <mru> or rather, the IP _troll_ was using at the time
Aug 07 20:58:47 <mdp> heh
Aug 07 20:58:58 <mru> I don't think they realise it was me
Aug 07 20:59:14 <ka6sox> oh
Aug 07 21:04:17 <drgalaxy> thank you all for your thoughts on my dead bone
Aug 07 22:33:30 <_av500_> gm
Aug 07 22:35:21 <florian> hi _av500_
Aug 07 22:36:26 <_av500_> ho florian
Aug 07 23:23:40 <shawn_> dm8tbr: are you there
Aug 07 23:32:04 <_av500_> asleep probably
Aug 07 23:32:46 <shawn_> ok, no big deal
Aug 07 23:47:27 <mranostay> _av500_: you take a snapshot of the sky every morning?
Aug 07 23:50:15 <_av500_> mranostay: not every
Aug 07 23:50:18 <_av500_> but today was nice
Aug 07 23:51:12 <_av500_> but I look at it every morning :)
Aug 07 23:51:17 <Crofton|work> is it morning?
Aug 07 23:51:21 <_av500_> no
Aug 07 23:51:45 <_av500_> but the mesh network here is best when all are asleep....
Aug 07 23:51:52 <_av500_> so I can haz uploads
Aug 07 23:51:57 <thurbad> lol
Aug 07 23:52:38 <XOR_> Looking for some compiler error help with Python MySQLdb library.
Aug 07 23:53:47 <mranostay> er
Aug 08 00:17:06 <_av500_> texas lost internet again?
Aug 08 00:19:48 <mranostay> they allowed texas to get internet?
Aug 08 00:20:13 <thurbad> never lost ithere
Aug 08 00:22:05 <_av500_> prpplague is gone
Aug 08 00:22:22 <_av500_> 1s after he pinged me
Aug 08 00:22:54 <thurbad> yeah he apparently has some trouble up in dallas
Aug 08 00:33:08 <Crofton|work> where are you?
Aug 08 00:33:35 <thurbad> austin
Aug 08 00:41:54 <mdp> FidoNet is still up even if the tubes are down
Aug 08 00:53:09 <prpplague> _av500_: give me a shout when you have a few
Aug 08 00:53:42 <mru> a few what? beers?
Aug 08 00:55:18 <mranostay> mru: i think he means minutes but yeah maybe not mutually exclusive
Aug 08 00:56:06 <mru> I'll take the beers then
Aug 08 00:56:17 <mru> will you take the minutes?
Aug 08 01:01:45 <prpplague> mru: hehe
Aug 08 01:03:58 <mranostay> why do i have be sober taking the minutes?
Aug 08 01:09:01 <mru> only if prpplague is out of rum
Aug 08 01:09:37 <prpplague> hehe
Aug 08 01:09:50 <prpplague> long day so you know the bottle is seeing some action
Aug 08 01:10:02 <_av500_> prpplague: hohum
Aug 08 01:11:54 <mranostay> prpplague: swig swig pass
Aug 08 01:12:03 <prpplague> hehe
Aug 08 01:21:38 <_av500_> nice: http://www.creativeapplications.net/objects/pristitrope-zoetrope-with-18-lcd-screens-and-smart-rotation/
Aug 08 01:26:15 <mranostay> _av500_: trippy
Aug 08 01:26:50 <mru> why so many screens?
Aug 08 01:27:04 <mru> you can only see one at a time
Aug 08 01:27:05 <_av500_> to mimic the real zoetrope
Aug 08 01:27:17 <_av500_> its art, you dont understand that
Aug 08 01:27:22 <_av500_> :)
Aug 08 01:27:26 <mranostay> _av500_: ass :)
Aug 08 01:27:38 <_av500_> i'm savage
Aug 08 01:28:30 <mru> doing it with one screen synced to the position of the wheel would be just as artful
Aug 08 01:28:57 <_av500_> its in the eye of the beholder
Aug 08 01:29:11 <_av500_> also its multiuser that way
Aug 08 01:35:44 <mranostay> mru: hand me one of those brews
Aug 08 01:38:24 * mru hands mranostay a pint of ipa
Aug 08 01:39:41 <ds2> \
Aug 08 01:39:52 <_av500_> \/
Aug 08 01:40:15 <mranostay> \/\
Aug 08 01:41:13 <mru> \/\/
Aug 08 01:41:27 <prpplague>   *
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