**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 02:59:58 2012 Aug 08 06:01:39 <_av500_> \/\/\ Aug 08 06:45:20 things that go bump in the night, eh? Aug 08 07:17:02 LetoThe2nd: thank you for that bad romance video Aug 08 07:17:28 koen: hehe. gonna see them 10.10., they're on european tour. Aug 08 07:17:50 small club, like 200 people. \m/ Aug 08 07:41:48 LetoThe2nd: http://pvponline.com/comic/2012/08/07/beer-is-the-mind-killer Aug 08 07:43:57 hi there Aug 08 07:44:26 any experts on the beagleboard xm ? Aug 08 07:45:23 yo Aug 08 07:50:19 http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Aug 08 07:53:05 hey there Aug 08 07:53:45 I been looking on line I have an issue with my bb xm , It does not boot only shows giberish through terminal Aug 08 07:53:52 no leds Aug 08 07:53:54 no nothing Aug 08 07:54:01 all i did was put ubuntu on it Aug 08 07:54:06 and then it died Aug 08 07:54:30 now trying to figure out what happen. Aug 08 07:54:40 anyone have this issue before ? Aug 08 08:01:08 koen: hehehe Aug 08 08:10:35 edmen: sounds rather like your ubuntu install just failed Aug 08 08:11:05 hey hey Aug 08 08:11:22 dm8tbr , yeah that what i thought too Aug 08 08:11:47 which image did you use? Aug 08 08:11:48 so the funny thing is that i had ubuntu working nicely fully configured how i wanted every good, Aug 08 08:12:02 then i powered off then turn back on and it was dead Aug 08 08:12:36 ubuntu 11.04 Aug 08 08:13:13 the problem now is that the board doesnt even have terminal characters comming out just giberish. Aug 08 08:13:34 no leds , no nothing even pressing the user button does nothing Aug 08 08:13:38 any ideas ? Aug 08 08:13:51 try a different SD card with a different image Aug 08 08:14:33 i have a beagle board xm rev 4 Aug 08 08:14:45 dm8tr any suggestions ? Aug 08 08:14:52 which image i should try Aug 08 08:18:33 validation image Aug 08 08:18:37 any prebuilt ubuntu images for the beagleboard xm rev 4 that have opencv and uvc webcam support configured ? Aug 08 08:18:55 cool ok i will give the val image a try Aug 08 08:19:21 my goal was to get ubuntu for the webcam support Aug 08 08:19:44 but now i am just want to get to a good state again Aug 08 08:20:05 http://www.circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Circuitco_Support_Wiki Aug 08 08:21:06 I tried the beta 4 version for xm and failed because writing the image to sd card didnt fit Aug 08 08:21:13 even through its a 4gb card Aug 08 08:21:23 and instructions say it should work Aug 08 08:21:42 any suggestion on good image wrrting tools besides ubuntu's app Aug 08 08:21:58 'dd' Aug 08 08:23:15 http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/BeagleBoard-xM#Pre-built_images_for_BeagleBoard-xM Aug 08 08:25:20 hey dm8tbr Aug 08 08:25:32 thanks I will follow this and see how it goes Aug 08 08:26:29 im still confused as to why the beagle board xm died after I tried ubuntu, the part that i really dont get and concerns me is that i get carbage characters in the terminal Aug 08 08:26:42 when i boot it Aug 08 08:26:52 and it does not boot as i said Aug 08 08:27:07 I'm reasonably sure the board is not dead Aug 08 08:27:25 i read the xm version has no nand Aug 08 08:27:43 so i couldnt of damaged some on board firmware out side of the sd card Aug 08 08:27:46 right? Aug 08 09:03:56 <_av500_> right Aug 08 09:33:06 hi people Aug 08 13:56:47 a little nugget from #rpi: 14:56 <+thrawed> I wish our hardware was open Aug 08 13:57:23 mru, yes, great discussion Aug 08 13:57:29 you should be banned at this point Aug 08 14:00:56 I think the #rpi median age is 16 Aug 08 14:01:28 How is the openness of the Raspberry Pi different from the openness of the BeagleBoard? Isn't there public documentation for everything but the graphics card on both? Aug 08 14:01:58 s/median/old/ ? Aug 08 14:02:29 Riastradh: no docs for pi, docs on everything for beagle Aug 08 14:03:02 the rpi docs are like "electricity in, picture out" Aug 08 14:03:44 koen, and yet we can get in trouble for having a 4k TRM...it's too much info! ;) Aug 08 14:04:20 mdp: I showed you that RMA request yesterday, right? Aug 08 14:04:36 koen, yeah, that's where I was getting the "4k" from ;) Aug 08 14:04:42 4k pages and not a single page saying how you program it in C :) Aug 08 14:04:53 I so wish I could put that mail on g_ Aug 08 14:04:55 g+ Aug 08 14:05:12 koen, I will file an issue with the TRM team asking them to get K&R in an appendix Aug 08 14:05:38 and all the starterware codez in another appendix Aug 08 14:05:47 mdp: and an ascii version of the rickroll video Aug 08 14:05:51 lol Aug 08 14:06:02 oooh Aug 08 14:06:12 I have a great idea now Aug 08 14:06:21 * koen digs up efl bootsplash code Aug 08 14:06:53 * mdp notes that mru is quite bored today Aug 08 14:11:11 koen: maybe it would have helped if the TRM would have had the _exact_ steps to program the bb in c? Aug 08 14:12:17 the srm now has links to exact steps to e.g. rebuilding the kernel Aug 08 14:14:20 wow! the BB will have a glorious future in certain countries now. Aug 08 14:16:33 koen: can you please send me the exact steps to make the beagleboard run without firmware? Aug 08 14:17:08 i want to make media player, but without firmware. Aug 08 14:17:19 and without company logo showing Aug 08 14:17:37 and without knowledge... ah not that was something different, sorry. Aug 08 14:17:44 koen, I couldn't find exact steps to run my stepper motor from a shell script with Ada95 codez, how do I RMA it? Aug 08 14:18:32 any RMA experts here? Aug 08 14:18:53 mdp: please send me the codez for becoming an RMA professional! Aug 08 14:19:04 Y U no sending codez? Aug 08 14:19:12 i have urgent project to RMA, plzzzz help Aug 08 14:20:43 heh Aug 08 14:20:53 i have urgent project to RMA, plzzzz help Aug 08 14:21:34 there's sometimes internal threads from the field not unlike this Aug 08 14:21:38 *cough* Aug 08 14:22:25 mdp: dear sir, can you please send me the exact steps for becoming internal thread? Aug 08 14:22:54 * dm8tbr multi-threads LetoThe2nd Aug 08 14:23:32 -ENOMEM, no more threads! Aug 08 14:23:39 i very urgent pppppplllllz sir tell me how to internal thread! Aug 08 14:23:53 * LetoThe2nd should better be off to get more coffee. or spice. Aug 08 14:24:17 spiced coffee? Aug 08 14:24:29 makes your eyes glow brown? Aug 08 14:25:14 koen, btw, had one recently that was complaining about lack of "exact steps" regarding differences in capabilities between mmc instances...all spelled out in the TRM but too difficult to understand Aug 08 14:25:16 LetoThe2nd: move to .nl, we have something called 'spijs' Aug 08 14:25:31 LetoThe2nd: you probably know it as Marzipanrohmasse Aug 08 14:25:43 koen: OMG Aug 08 14:26:01 koen: can it be used as SMT adhesive? Aug 08 14:26:11 koen: that reminds me of HAR. I bought some of that filled with cream! Aug 08 14:37:48 hmm, looks like they ran out of steam Aug 08 14:38:17 spread the rumour that the steam linux port will run on pi Aug 08 14:38:32 koen: LOOOOOOOOL Aug 08 14:39:06 but only if they round it to 3.25 Aug 08 14:49:41 if nothing else, I've learned that mru feels pity for others Aug 08 14:50:07 that statement had a qualifier Aug 08 14:50:57 ahh yes, indeed it did Aug 08 14:51:28 koen: nah, if we do that, we should pick a way cooler number. Aug 08 14:51:37 * LetoThe2nd suggests 3.42 Aug 08 14:52:27 3.54 might be pushing it a bit too hight Aug 08 14:53:23 we would make it variant depending on your global position. 3.00 at the poles, 4.00 at the equator, with a reversed logarithmic scaling. Aug 08 15:34:06 prpplague: you missed all the fun again Aug 08 15:34:17 mru: hehe Aug 08 15:34:37 mru: trust me, i have plenty of fun in the office lately Aug 08 15:46:02 for varying definitions of "fun" Aug 08 15:51:15 koen: I was just reading the thread about the misinformation regarding angstrom and BB support in the mailing list and I totally agree about checking the homepage of the project!. At the risk of your wrath I wanted to mention two things... 1) the post mentioning the changes to narcissus doesn't specifically mention BB support you must click through to your testing setup to see that it is still there. 2) More importantly (to me anyway) Aug 08 15:51:15 of misinformation avoidance, the blurb for the select your release section still talks about 'unstable', 'unstable', and 'next' which has no intuitive connection to '2012.05' and 'core-eglibc' I only learned from you in here yesterday that 2012.05 was for all intents 'stable', I'd inferred as much, but was never sure. Aug 08 15:51:59 I promise I'm only trying to be constructive! :) Aug 08 15:52:20 jehova! Aug 08 15:52:23 * LetoThe2nd ducks and runs Aug 08 15:52:52 blasphemy! Aug 08 15:53:42 nih! Aug 08 15:54:37 * LetoThe2nd watches some strange guy pass by, mumbling "pie juse domine, domine is requiem" Aug 08 15:57:43 LetoThe2nd: if those monks used books instead of wood planks, they'd have invented facebook Aug 08 15:58:41 mru: ++ Aug 08 16:21:32 spacecolonyone: the test setup uses the proper names :) Aug 08 16:25:35 koen: at dominion.thruhere.net/koen/narcissus/ I select beagleboard & advanced then in release the options are as i mentioned, which don't map obviously onto stable, next, and unstable. what am I missing? Aug 08 16:27:57 ah, I looked at the beaglebone one Aug 08 16:28:03 time to update the test setup :) Aug 08 16:28:22 spacecolonyone: thanks for the feedback! Aug 08 16:28:40 np Aug 08 16:29:57 I happen to be doing the same thing for the beagleboard, same name issue. Aug 08 16:30:04 koen: actually ( i just now checked) beaglebone exhibits the same behavior for me Aug 08 16:34:01 woah, what happened there Aug 08 16:50:08 netsplity day i see Aug 08 16:50:24 * mranostay blames prpplague Aug 08 16:51:08 splitter! Aug 08 16:53:18 * spacecolonyone learns something new: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit Aug 08 16:55:27 because irc networks are organised as a tree Aug 08 16:55:35 no circular paths Aug 08 16:59:57 mru: but how do you link the tubes if it is a tree? :) Aug 08 17:00:17 mranostay, I got a special notification email that you learned git, congrats! Aug 08 17:00:49 Russ: so he knows *it* know? Aug 08 17:00:52 -k Aug 08 17:01:17 Russ: er? Aug 08 17:01:22 or at least he's 'skilled' Aug 08 17:01:33 linkedin? Aug 08 17:01:36 ya Aug 08 17:01:45 hehe Aug 08 17:01:56 where is my adafruit badge? :) Aug 08 17:03:10 Russ: please tell it was more to that email than me 'learning' git :) Aug 08 17:03:42 hehe, now they're trying to cross-compile something in #rpi Aug 08 17:03:57 cross compiling is fundamentally broken Aug 08 17:04:01 ask canonical Aug 08 17:04:29 mranostay, you also learned 'linux kernel' Aug 08 17:04:33 17:59 <+mongrelion> error: unknown target CPU 'armv6' Aug 08 17:04:37 18:01 <+iBooyaa> that's to natively compile not for cross compilers Aug 08 17:05:32 mru, host, build, and target are just too hard Aug 08 17:05:56 mru: "best of #rpi" book in the works? :) Aug 08 17:06:59 * Russ debates posting a recommendation 'Recommend Clinton’s work at Currently Unemployed' Aug 08 17:07:16 18:07 <+iBooyaa> exit the shell and start again? Aug 08 17:07:53 mru, no, they need to reboot Aug 08 17:08:08 mru, also, they need to reinstall their cpu driver Aug 08 17:08:16 turn it off and on again Aug 08 17:09:56 cease cranking the mill, then commence cranking once again Aug 08 17:28:42 koen: so instead of fixing it... it makes more sense to have a pandaboard cluster? :) Aug 08 17:31:51 apparently Aug 08 17:43:05 koen, cross-compiling is also unethical, it kills jobs for underprivileged cpus Aug 08 17:44:14 hehe Aug 08 17:44:37 hehe Aug 08 17:44:42 gah Aug 08 17:44:51 lolwat. Aug 08 17:47:37 mdp: so beaglebone cluster next?... Aug 08 17:48:40 my beowulf bone cluster is busy running povray...need more nodes. Aug 08 17:52:36 Heh. I need to write a raytracer for my STM32F4 Discovery Board. It has about 7 times the MHz of the machine I first ran POV-Ray on...and actual hardware floating point! Aug 08 17:53:58 Awesome! Aug 08 17:54:29 hehe, I'm thinking back to when I had to put together the booth demo for ESC in '99...cluster of our PPC VME boards running povray Aug 08 17:55:01 mdp: you forgot a word after cluster :) Aug 08 17:55:05 I wish I had a photo of the placard "PowerPC Beowulf Cluster running POV-Ray!" Aug 08 17:56:54 I really expect to see s/PowerPC/RPi/ at some event RSN Aug 08 19:07:10 * ynezz goes away for some beers... Aug 08 19:07:22 it's time for some party "The default desktop within Debian 7.0 'Wheezy' has changed from GNOME to Xfce" Aug 08 19:54:54 koen: FYI, https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package/commit/e3636128968d8e0cc7b910e36887ae1db584a5bd Aug 08 19:55:23 I found that I was getting errors on a typecast when running pasm on the BeagleBone natively. Aug 08 19:55:54 The typecast is still occurring, but now I moved it after the test condition that was failing. Aug 08 19:56:21 I also enabled setting the full path to pasm Aug 08 20:00:12 Tried out node.js today, and it seemed nice (for someone who has never done web-work). D'you think that's a good choice for implementing a couple of simple webpages on a beagle (file upload and file browse/download)? Aug 08 20:00:38 or is lighttpd and the thing? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 20:13:49 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 20:14:16 2012 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 20:41:31 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 20:42:22 2012 Aug 08 20:49:03 * jkridner kicks BeagleBot Aug 08 20:50:04 jkridner: need the HR bot in here? :) Aug 08 20:51:15 indeed. Aug 08 20:51:39 tasslehoff: absolutely I think it is a great way to serve up simple web pages on beagleboard/beaglebone. Aug 08 20:51:49 tasslehoff: Bonescript is built on node.js. Aug 08 20:52:22 * jkridner reposts URL for BeagleBot for PRU package update: https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package/commit/e3636128968d8e0cc7b910e36887ae1db584a5bd Aug 08 20:56:38 jkridner: cool. will have to look into it more tomorrow then. Aug 08 21:00:08 any chance there is an uncommitted PLD in the 335x/ Aug 08 21:01:24 PLD? programmable-logic-device? Aug 08 21:01:31 yeah Aug 08 21:02:03 ADI has small ARMs with them Aug 08 21:02:57 I think it is just the PRUs. Aug 08 21:32:20 tasslehoff: I just wanted to say that your nick always makes me think of David Hasselhoff and that makes me think of Knight Rider and that makes me smile. Thank you! Aug 08 21:32:30 and with that, I'm done for the day Aug 08 21:41:15 well then Aug 08 21:46:37 when I think of Hasselhoff, I quickly think of Baywatch and the fine ladies on the show :) Aug 08 22:22:10 KURI! Aug 08 22:22:25 ...is not here. Aug 08 22:22:34 Wow, I'm embarrassed. Aug 08 22:23:44 ok, that was... interesting Aug 08 22:25:16 kinda entertaining Aug 08 22:26:30 irrational raspberry overflow? Aug 09 00:04:15 prpplague: they fixed the pipeline to texas? Aug 09 00:04:29 mranostay: yea seems so Aug 09 00:04:41 nah, they sent a load of bits by truck Aug 09 00:05:06 nice burst rate traffic Aug 09 00:08:35 mru: probably a F-350 Aug 09 00:09:03 prpplague: can you explain the mindset of owning a truck and not hauling anything in it? :) Aug 09 00:09:05 mru: hehe Aug 09 00:09:34 * mranostay lived in the south (don't ask) for a year and never understood that Aug 09 00:09:43 or did they finally flush the stop bits from the tubes? Aug 09 00:10:04 mranostay: yea, just like owning a lamborghini and not going to the race track, its a status symbol Aug 09 00:10:22 you can drive fast on the freeway too :) Aug 09 00:10:30 prpplague: raceway == freeway :) Aug 09 00:10:43 mru: hehe, and you can help your brother move with a truck, hehe Aug 09 00:11:08 ok it does pay to have that one friend with a truck Aug 09 00:11:12 last time I moved, I rented a van & driver for a couple of hours Aug 09 00:11:42 of course my last two moves were 1000+ miles Aug 09 00:12:17 mranostay: i was born and raised in east texas and after many years, i can only come to the conclusion that it is a status symbol, and a cultural "thing" Aug 09 00:14:08 prpplague: i love the complaining about gas prices with those things :) Aug 09 00:14:15 hehe Aug 09 00:14:27 and if you point out "well if you didn't drive a tank.." you get weird looks Aug 09 00:14:38 how much is the petrol over there, $1/gallon? Aug 09 00:14:52 mru: maybe in 1996 Aug 09 00:15:01 what is it now? Aug 09 00:15:15 $3.80 in CA Aug 09 00:15:23 average in my area is about $3.39 per gallon Aug 09 00:15:24 still dirt cheap Aug 09 00:15:43 plus i get grocery store discounts Aug 09 00:15:46 mranostay: that would be about $1/litre, right? Aug 09 00:16:00 * prpplague got gas this morning at $2.89US Aug 09 00:16:08 mru: yeah roughly Aug 09 00:16:12 here it's well over £1/litre Aug 09 00:16:23 £1 being ~$1.60 Aug 09 00:16:31 so don't complain Aug 09 00:16:34 yeah but you don't have to drive Aug 09 00:16:41 true that Aug 09 00:16:46 in the US we have no public transport that you can depend on Aug 09 00:16:51 I don't even own a car Aug 09 00:16:58 i hate owning a car Aug 09 00:17:01 mru: btw, i did get a flight into lhr, so should be taking the train from there Aug 09 00:17:08 * prpplague hates owning a house Aug 09 00:17:09 thousands and thousands a year of expenses Aug 09 00:17:18 prpplague: not ever doing that :) Aug 09 00:17:28 * mru does not own a house either Aug 09 00:17:45 mranostay: yea i would not own a house if my wife wasn't insistant Aug 09 00:18:09 * mru does not own a wife either Aug 09 00:18:09 mranostay: if something happened to her, the house would be sold before the funeral.... Aug 09 00:19:03 mru: you should grab a train and meet us at Bletchley Park on the 18th Aug 09 00:19:13 mru: i heard i can pick one up from the internet for cheap Aug 09 00:20:02 mranostay: hell i get you one of my wife's 10000000 cousins for free, you just gotta marry her.... Aug 09 00:20:42 10M now? it was 10k the other day... Aug 09 00:21:05 prpplague: hmm, that's something to consider Aug 09 00:21:14 18th of which month? Aug 09 00:21:19 mru: sep Aug 09 00:24:13 mru: he must have added twice removed or something Aug 09 00:24:44 mru: some of the immigrated to canada Aug 09 00:26:45 or america's hat as we like to call it Aug 09 01:24:44 mru: my darling wife...... she just asked me to take a picture of a picture in her photo gallery on facebook, so she could email it to a friend...... Aug 09 01:25:15 how did it get there in the first place? Aug 09 01:25:29 no matter Aug 09 01:25:34 *cough* she uploaded it from her camera.... Aug 09 01:25:43 here's what you need to do now: Aug 09 01:25:52 1. take a screenshot of the full screen Aug 09 01:25:58 2. paste it into a word document Aug 09 01:26:05 3. print the word document Aug 09 01:26:20 4. print the word docment again, this time switching to landscape layout Aug 09 01:26:30 5. place the printout on a wooden table Aug 09 01:26:45 6. take a picture of the printout Aug 09 01:26:56 7. upload picture to facebook Aug 09 01:27:01 8. oh no.... Aug 09 01:27:57 hehe Aug 09 01:28:35 mru: trolling your wife wouldn't be wise Aug 09 01:28:59 it's ok, I'm not married Aug 09 01:29:06 and presumably not at risk of becoming Aug 09 01:30:22 mru: not taking up prpplague's cousin offer? Aug 09 01:30:35 hehe Aug 09 01:30:51 I haven't actually seen any of those cousins Aug 09 01:31:25 hey if out of 10 million there has to be a few 8 or 9's that could deal with your trolling personality :) Aug 09 01:31:57 mru: they'd break you like an antique swizzle stick, hehe Aug 09 01:32:18 mranostay: would you be so kind as to go on a recon mission and find out? Aug 09 01:33:17 hehe Aug 09 01:33:47 not looking to get shot by prpplague ) Aug 09 01:33:53 hehe Aug 09 01:34:04 * prpplague looks for a couple of photo's to upload to imagebin Aug 09 01:39:02 * mru prepares for the worst Aug 09 01:39:35 Did anyone use pins to output hight speed signal? Aug 09 01:40:10 which pins? Aug 09 01:40:14 define high speed Aug 09 01:40:25 P8 and P9 Aug 09 01:40:31 on BeagleBone Aug 09 01:40:41 46 pins Aug 09 01:41:21 define high speed Aug 09 01:41:27 and what interface Aug 09 01:41:44 be careful so the pins don't bend under the load of high-speed bits Aug 09 01:42:08 zing... mru to the rescue :P Aug 09 01:42:09 * mru sings... pins and needles bend and break... Aug 09 01:42:10 i hate it when that happens Aug 09 01:42:22 mru: that needed to be in the SRM Aug 09 01:42:29 What we want is 1M bit per second per channel. Aug 09 01:43:34 these high speed signal is used for several DAC Aug 09 01:44:37 we want to test how fast the pin output can reach Aug 09 01:47:40 why do pins and needles bend and break? Aug 09 01:48:02 mru / mranostay see /msg Aug 09 01:48:07 he's just beingasmart ass Aug 09 01:49:31 only with a space key Aug 09 02:11:59 I want to get some open source code for beaglebone. I would like to know where I can find it? Aug 09 02:12:28 for what> Aug 09 02:22:35 for gpio applications Aug 09 02:22:44 io control Aug 09 02:23:04 something like that Aug 09 02:35:35 anyone here using a beaglebone on ubuntu. i would like to findout about using the gpio port but cannot seem to work out the pin numbers to feed to /sys/class/gpio/export to make gpio1_16 an output. Aug 09 02:36:44 i found a web page that says you need to echo 138 > /sys/class/gpio/export Aug 09 02:36:44 echo out > /sys/class/gpio/gpio138/direction Aug 09 02:37:15 but that was for GPIO1_5 do i simply add 11 to the 138 number to get to gpio1_16? Aug 09 02:39:16 is it muxed properly to start with? Aug 09 02:46:01 prpplague: not into farmer dating? Aug 09 02:49:15 one link found uses one number system and another link uses another numbering system.. Aug 09 02:49:58 what OS are you using other than linux? Aug 09 02:50:10 I cant find any clear instructions for ubuntu Aug 09 02:50:41 there are differences between angstrom and ubuntu.. all the pages i can find all refer to arngstrom.. Aug 09 02:50:43 oh, you mean various distro's Aug 09 02:50:44 not ubuntu. Aug 09 02:50:57 same OS different packaging essentially Aug 09 02:51:14 why do people have to get all technical...? Aug 09 02:51:36 heh, because these words have specific meanings Aug 09 02:52:24 anyway, the muxing should be configured in the kernel or uboot if they aren't already Aug 09 02:52:45 if you want to use GPIOn_x pin, the number equals to n*32+x Aug 09 02:52:47 ... seriously Aug 09 02:53:21 I didn't think I was being rude was I? Aug 09 02:54:06 if you want to use gpio1_16, you have to use echo 48 > /sys/class/gpio/export Aug 09 02:54:18 bnz quit btw Aug 09 02:55:07 no point explaining it to the person now :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 09 02:59:59 2012