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Aug 28 03:24:47 <ds2> hmmmmm
Aug 28 03:29:52 <ka6sox> yup
Aug 28 03:30:40 <ds2> how's life on the coast?
Aug 28 03:55:47 <ka6sox> ds2, a bit cooler now....last week was horrid
Aug 28 06:00:09 <mranostay> ka6sox: where are you again?
Aug 28 06:00:33 <ka6sox> mranostay, get on 101 south to exit 100
Aug 28 06:06:05 <mranostay> ka6sox: ah SoCal?
Aug 28 06:07:08 <ds2> what is horrid for the coast?
Aug 28 06:08:07 <ka6sox> yup
Aug 28 06:08:16 <ka6sox> mranostay, central coast
Aug 28 06:08:27 <ka6sox> 85+ and 85% humidity
Aug 28 06:08:36 <mranostay> ok that isn't that bad
Aug 28 06:09:05 <mranostay> then again i've lived in crappy weather places my entire life
Aug 28 06:09:24 <mranostay> i don't miss seasons at all :)
Aug 28 06:10:59 <ka6sox> seasons? what are those?....oh something about a bunch of birds and pigs..
Aug 28 06:12:47 <mranostay> ka6sox: more like snow and heat
Aug 28 06:13:11 <ka6sox> snow...oh, that white stuff @ the top of the ski lift! got it.
Aug 28 06:13:49 <ka6sox> dang...the tower lights *just* kicked on in Kenai....
Aug 28 06:14:01 <ka6sox> still quite a bit o'sun
Aug 28 06:14:24 <ds2> blah.... that isn't bad
Aug 28 06:14:44 <ds2> try 90+% humidity and 100F
Aug 28 06:15:34 * ka6sox runs the other way....
Aug 28 06:15:41 <ds2> aka midwest
Aug 28 06:15:45 <ka6sox> funny thing is...I like tropical islands for vacations...
Aug 28 06:16:30 <ds2> hahah
Aug 28 06:16:51 <mranostay> ds2: i have. that is one reason i left my last job :)
Aug 28 06:17:30 <ka6sox-away> mranostay, somewhere in the deep south right?
Aug 28 06:17:56 <mranostay> oh yeah
Aug 28 06:18:02 <ds2> mranostay: did it get up to the 100's down there?
Aug 28 06:18:04 <mranostay> Mobile AL....
Aug 28 06:18:20 <ka6sox-away> Gators and Hurricanes
Aug 28 06:18:22 <mranostay> ds2: 90F+ usually with 90+% humdity
Aug 28 06:18:33 <ds2> oh, slower roast
Aug 28 06:18:38 <mranostay> i didn't think it was possible to get that hot
Aug 28 06:19:01 <mranostay> had my A/C on 10 of 12 months :)...
Aug 28 06:19:54 <ds2> at least you had AC
Aug 28 06:19:56 <ka6sox-away> when I last saw you 2 I left for holiday...found a deserted island with NO phone, cell, internet, pager or even carrier pidgeon
Aug 28 06:20:24 <ds2> ka6sox-away: so no way to call for help if the island errupts? :D
Aug 28 06:20:34 <mranostay> sounds like paradise
Aug 28 06:20:48 <ka6sox-away> more likely it would sink
Aug 28 06:20:57 <ka6sox-away> (or a tsunami take it out)
Aug 28 06:21:07 <mranostay> swim really fast :)
Aug 28 06:21:13 <ka6sox-away> it was like 2m tall.
Aug 28 06:21:22 <ka6sox-away> bbiaw...
Aug 28 06:22:00 <mranostay> ds2: i don't think calling for help during a volcano is going to do much :)
Aug 28 06:22:27 <mranostay> poison ash clouds travel at hundreds of miles an hour
Aug 28 06:24:20 <ds2> the pompei guys had a few hours
Aug 28 06:24:39 <mranostay> koen: did those rtc modules ever get added? no rush :)
Aug 28 06:24:58 <koen> yes, but it's not in the feeds yet
Aug 28 06:31:27 <tasslehoff> koen: can you point me to an example of creating a new systemd target unit (in OE)?
Aug 28 06:31:49 * tasslehoff is gonne use the day to fight, fight, fight with systemd
Aug 28 06:33:22 * mranostay hands tasslehoff the beating stick
Aug 28 06:41:28 * tasslehoff chants "Pie Jesu Domine, dona eis requiem" and beats himself to humility for starters
Aug 28 06:44:52 <koen> tasslehoff: no, but systemd has excellent docs and even git-like docs (blog posts)
Aug 28 06:50:36 <tasslehoff> koen: ack
Aug 28 06:56:51 <_av500_> tasslehoff: after you do, write a post for the mailing list
Aug 28 06:59:41 <tasslehoff> _av500_: on humility, agression and eventually resignation?
Aug 28 07:13:06 <_av500_> yeah
Aug 28 07:13:07 <_av500_> :)
Aug 28 07:57:58 <oteros2000> Hi....anybody could help me, I have a problem with the filesystem, is there any method to recovery the filesystem original ?
Aug 28 07:59:06 <oteros2000> When my BeagleBone power off several times , the filesystem is corrupted... and doesn't work well
Aug 28 08:00:14 <_av500_> you can always start from a cleAN IMAGE
Aug 28 08:00:18 <_av500_> oops
Aug 28 08:00:22 <_av500_> you can always start from a clean image
Aug 28 08:00:33 <thurbad> do you use sync before powering off, or better yet, poweroff?
Aug 28 08:01:48 <_av500_> I always sing when I power off
Aug 28 08:02:57 <oteros2000> No I don't use sync before power off, what's is the fucntion of sync?
Aug 28 08:03:12 <oteros2000> I start with a clean Image...
Aug 28 08:03:52 <oteros2000> is there any method to recovery the original filesystem?
Aug 28 08:20:19 <_av500_> yes, use a fresh image
Aug 28 08:20:28 <_av500_> it is the original fileystem
Aug 28 08:22:30 <thurbad> sync writes all data to buffers... prevents file corruption somewhat
Aug 28 08:22:44 <thurbad> err from buffers
Aug 28 08:23:24 <_av500_> thurbad: from buffers to buffers :)
Aug 28 08:23:58 <thurbad> from cache to disk basically
Aug 28 08:25:04 <thurbad> is there any way to prevent tearing in 3d without dropping to 16 bpp?
Aug 28 08:25:32 <thurbad> (specifically gles2 on the omap3530)
Aug 28 08:25:45 <_av500_> double buffering
Aug 28 08:25:57 <_av500_> triple if you want it butter
Aug 28 08:26:35 <thurbad> is it lack of buffering that's causing the tears?
Aug 28 08:27:19 <thurbad> that sounds too easy, but I'll look into it
Aug 28 08:27:54 <thurbad> btw this is raw mode, not x11 mode that I'm using
Aug 28 08:32:23 <oteros2000> ok, this is a good method, is it possible use load a filesystem original with each booting process like the kernel, keeping your application /home and configuration?
Aug 28 08:32:32 <_av500_> sure
Aug 28 08:32:44 <_av500_> make a read only rootfs
Aug 28 08:32:57 <_av500_> and mount /home /var and so on from somewhere else
Aug 28 08:47:50 <thurbad> meh, dropping down to 16bpp didn't help the tearing as others have posted
Aug 28 09:01:05 <_av500_> why should it?
Aug 28 09:01:43 <_av500_> its still a memcpy racing the electron beam
Aug 28 09:01:47 <thurbad> dunno, but I've seen a lot of posts/blogs/wiki entries that say it does
Aug 28 09:02:05 <_av500_> sure, the copy to frame buffer memory is faster
Aug 28 09:02:15 <_av500_> so the chance of hitting a screne refresh is smaller
Aug 28 09:02:32 <_av500_> its still gambling
Aug 28 09:04:13 <thurbad> maybe it does 'fix' it on smaller displays :P pushing a fair amount of pixels here
Aug 28 09:13:20 <_av500_> as I said, do proper double buffering
Aug 28 09:13:27 <_av500_> that fixes it on all displays
Aug 28 09:13:44 <thurbad> I plan to.. just looking through demosatthe moment
Aug 28 09:28:43 <mru> double-buffering also saves you a murderous memcpy
Aug 28 10:51:38 <Qbert_> I've got a remote beaglebone running Angstrom systemd that has started get stuck when rebooting.
Aug 28 10:51:56 <Qbert_> It's miles away so I can't hook up the usb-serial cable to see what really happens.
Aug 28 10:52:13 <Qbert_> It will boot fine after the power is cut and I've checked dmesg and systemctl withount any real hints on what's causing the problem.
Aug 28 10:53:12 <Qbert_> Anyone got any sugestions on what more to take a look at?
Aug 28 10:57:39 <Qbert_> Might be worth mentioning that it's running a read only root fs so no info from the previous session is available.
Aug 28 11:28:32 <tapper> hi all
Aug 28 11:30:04 <tapper> I am confused at choosing btw beaglebone and raspberry pi? If u can get both rasp pi and Bone at at same price of 40$, which one will u buy?
Aug 28 11:30:27 <tapper> We have a discount offer for Bone in our country.
Aug 28 11:31:07 <_av500_> depends
Aug 28 11:31:20 <_av500_> if you need HD video decode, the bone is not for you
Aug 28 11:31:42 <tapper> i dont want HD video decode.
Aug 28 11:31:46 <_av500_> if you want to learn embedded linux and/or connect stuff, the bone might be better
Aug 28 11:31:58 <tapper> what abt the commuty support?
Aug 28 11:33:01 <tapper> *community
Aug 28 11:33:30 <_av500_> both have one
Aug 28 11:33:47 <ogra_> beagle one is older and more established ...
Aug 28 11:34:06 <ogra_> (older in all meanings of the word ... )
Aug 28 11:35:36 * _av500_ is old
Aug 28 11:35:43 * ogra_ too
Aug 28 11:37:07 <tapper> I am interested in doing some stuff with OpenCV. Is tht possible?? does it give good result with bone that rasp pi??
Aug 28 11:37:19 <tapper> *than
Aug 28 11:40:35 <_av500_> yes
Aug 28 11:40:40 <_av500_> since bone has the more powerfull CPU
Aug 28 11:41:59 <tapper> @av500 why did you say bone is better for learning embedded linux? why not rasp pi?
Aug 28 11:45:28 <tapper> guess i  will go with bone then.
Aug 28 12:47:05 <_av500_> because I am opiniated
Aug 28 12:51:16 <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: you are opaited?
Aug 28 12:51:30 <ogra_> and its only tuesday !
Aug 28 12:57:45 <mru> opiated?
Aug 28 13:18:17 <_av500_> yes
Aug 28 13:18:24 <_av500_> pain killers
Aug 28 13:20:46 <mru> plain killers
Aug 28 13:24:41 <LetoThe2nd> spain killers?
Aug 28 13:30:57 <mru> stain killers?
Aug 28 13:31:10 <mru> slain killers?
Aug 28 13:35:04 <ogra_> vain pillars ?
Aug 28 13:40:00 <LetoThe2nd> snow smillas :)
Aug 28 14:05:42 <_av500_> go rillaz
Aug 28 14:09:05 <LetoThe2nd> nasi go reng
Aug 28 15:52:06 <joelagnel> koen, does musb OTG port work with the newer kernels you're building  on beaglebone?
Aug 28 15:54:20 <koen> yes
Aug 28 15:54:28 <joelagnel> ok
Aug 28 15:54:31 <koen> otherwise we wouldn't ship it
Aug 28 15:54:45 <koen> <insert standard musb disclaimer>
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Aug 28 16:18:17 <heeen> hey, where can I find the sources for the kernel for ubuntu on the beagle
Aug 28 16:18:45 <heeen> Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.23-psp18 armv7l)
Aug 28 16:18:57 <heeen> I want to build a realtek wifi driver
Aug 28 16:19:16 <heeen> and Iapparently I need a kernel build tree for that
Aug 28 19:21:56 <mranostay> quiet day
Aug 28 19:22:11 <prpplague> or night
Aug 28 19:22:16 <prpplague> depending on where you are at
Aug 28 19:23:24 <prpplague> mranostay: most everyone is in some shape or form occupied with the conferences going on the san diego area currently
Aug 28 19:31:40 * wmat thought everyone was enroute to San Diego
Aug 28 19:33:41 <mranostay> what is going on in SD?
Aug 28 19:34:00 <mranostay> linuxcon?
Aug 28 19:34:54 <wmat> some hacker skateboard thing I think
Aug 28 19:39:48 <prpplague> mranostay: linuxcon, linux plumbers, kernel summit, cloud summit, arm summit, gstreamer summit and half dozen other mini summits
Aug 28 19:40:06 <mranostay> sounds fun
Aug 28 19:41:58 <_av500_> wmat: +1
Aug 28 19:42:09 <_av500_> is there a summit summit
Aug 28 19:42:18 <_av500_> and a summit about that?
Aug 28 19:42:31 <mranostay> any trolling summits?
Aug 28 19:42:35 <_av500_> yes
Aug 28 19:42:40 <_av500_> VDD next weekend
Aug 28 19:42:42 <Russ> ya, lennart will be there
Aug 28 19:44:12 <heeen> what is a webcam with a well supported driver under arm/beaglebone/ubuntu
Aug 28 19:44:20 <mranostay> _av500_: VDD?
Aug 28 19:52:46 <_av500_> mranostay: Videolan dev days
Aug 28 19:52:53 <_av500_> aka veneral disease days
Aug 28 19:54:14 <mranostay> that would assume sex happes at these nerd cons
Aug 28 19:54:19 <mranostay> *happens
Aug 28 19:54:25 <_av500_> unpossible
Aug 28 20:02:33 <thurbad> heeen probably most anything in the uvs category that's not high def should work
Aug 28 20:03:30 <thurbad> err uvc
Aug 28 20:04:57 <mranostay> _av500_: so you guys wear cone hats for that conference?
Aug 28 20:05:16 <mranostay> can't be worst than RHAT :)
Aug 28 20:05:36 <mranostay> *RHT
Aug 28 20:08:09 <prpplague> _av500_: you have reached your 15 minutes of fame
Aug 28 20:08:26 <prpplague> _av500_: my son has stated that you are even more cool that koen
Aug 28 20:14:40 <thurbad> lol
Aug 28 20:17:18 <mranostay> prpplague: er you let your kid meet people like us?
Aug 28 20:17:49 <thurbad> prpplague: is people like us :P
Aug 28 20:18:24 <thurbad> maybe not like _av500_ .... ~.~
Aug 28 20:19:53 <prpplague> mranostay: my children are total nerds, i have completely ruined them socially in that aspect.....
Aug 28 20:21:17 <prpplague> mranostay: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/6iBdk7GaKR2
Aug 28 20:23:09 <thurbad> lol
Aug 28 20:28:15 <mranostay> prpplague: well do you have to raise the future generation of trolls
Aug 28 20:29:04 <prpplague> mranostay: that was not my intention, but they seem to be channeling the spirit of mru
Aug 28 20:42:01 <_av500_> said it and dropped?
Aug 28 20:42:23 <_av500_> ah, hes on a plane
Aug 28 20:42:26 <_av500_> he's
Aug 28 21:34:29 <_av500_> gn
Aug 28 23:08:41 <djlewis> later . . .
Aug 29 01:42:56 <KeatonT> What on Debian do you mount?
Aug 29 01:43:00 <KeatonT> sysfs?
Aug 29 02:40:57 <Kumar> Hi
Aug 29 02:41:25 <Kumar> I have a beaglebon A6 and it shows up as an unrecognized device when I connect it to my USB port
Aug 29 02:42:22 <Kumar> tried plugging it in another friends USB port as well
Aug 29 02:53:08 <mranostay> heh
Aug 29 02:56:02 * mranostay pokes koen 
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