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Aug 31 03:05:39 <thurbad> not sure what you mean
Aug 31 03:18:42 <mranostay> really? "30 August 2012 CFP notifications will be sent out on Wednesday, September 5th. We appreciate your patience."
Aug 31 03:18:50 <mranostay> where is prp? :)
Aug 31 04:43:25 <Russ> bah, silly TRM, don't put 'Type R' on register unless it's read-only
Aug 31 05:03:33 <mranostay> mru: "<+treeherder> i need to learn how to read from spi, preferably in bash, if at all possible"
Aug 31 05:03:42 <mranostay> since you have a lifelong ban
Aug 31 06:06:03 <jedas> I'm getting Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session error while trying to loginto into freshly build angstrom. any one has idea why? forums tells that it's kinda unsolved issue
Aug 31 07:12:25 <ynezz> jedas: probably retarded^W systemd :)
Aug 31 07:28:04 <jedas> i guess I'll try to clean recompile
Aug 31 08:00:02 <av500> http://cubieboard.org/
Aug 31 08:00:15 <woglinde> av500 yes
Aug 31 08:00:59 <av500> no
Aug 31 08:01:21 <woglinde> sure
Aug 31 08:02:31 <LetoThe2nd> the title says it all. "another arm box""
Aug 31 08:02:55 <woglinde> av500 thats for you -> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Studie-Internetsucht-moeglicherweise-genetisch-bedingt-1695732.html
Aug 31 09:08:47 <cHAINZ> anybody aware of BEAGLEBONE ANDROID gpio USER BUTTON implementaion
Aug 31 09:16:51 <woglinde> chainz you asked it yesterday 5 times
Aug 31 09:17:10 <av500> and I still dont get the question
Aug 31 09:17:23 <mru> so LET'S mock HIM five TIMES
Aug 31 09:22:06 <bobsickle> I wonder if I could set up an irssi script to capitalize every second word...
Aug 31 09:23:01 <av500> +1
Aug 31 09:23:05 <av500> sell in in the app store
Aug 31 09:29:29 <woglinde> av50 maybee he wants to write a buttonslib for beagle to get the event in javaland
Aug 31 09:30:00 <av500> maybe
Aug 31 09:38:21 <Russ> the tao te am33xx, '0x0(Read) = Stop timeOnly the counter is frozen'
Aug 31 09:38:59 <Russ> Its not in there, but I think 0x1 is "a suffusion of yellow"
Aug 31 09:39:59 <woglinde> russ wake him up
Aug 31 09:52:40 <cHAINZ> hello wogline
Aug 31 09:53:09 <cHAINZ> ya i'asked but till not get the answer.
Aug 31 09:53:24 <av500> ask better
Aug 31 09:53:39 <cHAINZ> av500 huh..?
Aug 31 09:53:47 <cHAINZ> do yo aware of it..?
Aug 31 09:54:05 <av500> read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Aug 31 09:54:55 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/19
Aug 31 09:58:53 <cHAINZ> actually i'm trying to use the beaglebone gpio pin for android menu button
Aug 31 09:59:28 <cHAINZ> i'm new to hardware,
Aug 31 10:01:04 <cHAINZ> i'm using TI-android ICS AOSP. can anyone tell what are the modification i have to do in AOSP for work my gpio button perfectly..
Aug 31 10:01:39 <av500> TI android *or* AOSP?
Aug 31 10:02:01 <cHAINZ> oops TI Android ICS
Aug 31 10:02:09 <av500> http://www.google.com/search?q=android+gpio+button
Aug 31 10:02:53 <av500> you even got an answer on e2e
Aug 31 10:03:31 <cHAINZ> hey i tried this way. and asked in e2e but ter is no usefull answer
Aug 31 10:05:05 <cHAINZ> in e2e they just switch the topic into some links
Aug 31 10:05:17 <cHAINZ> but that links are not usefull
Aug 31 10:08:37 <av500> why should it not be usefull?
Aug 31 10:08:44 <av500> it explain exactly what you are after
Aug 31 10:09:44 <cHAINZ> i've tried the information but i cant make it work in my BB
Aug 31 10:10:05 <av500> that does not make it less usefull
Aug 31 10:12:10 <cHAINZ> may be
Aug 31 10:12:38 <cHAINZ> do you experience in android..?
Aug 31 10:12:59 <cHAINZ> *have
Aug 31 10:16:03 <woglinde> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/TI-Android-ICS-PortingGuide#Keypad
Aug 31 10:16:18 <woglinde> yes that have all inforamtions
Aug 31 10:16:48 <av500> its what you asked for
Aug 31 10:17:40 <woglinde> thats the answer in from e2e
Aug 31 10:19:28 <woglinde> hm in the menuconfig is even a reset button option
Aug 31 10:21:40 <cHAINZ> ya i've tried, when i try to "getevent" i cant get my keys
Aug 31 10:22:14 <av500> then fix it
Aug 31 10:22:15 <cHAINZ> add device 1: /dev/input/event1   name:     "lm75-temp" add device 2: /dev/input/event0   name:     "lm75-temp" could not get driver version for /dev/input/mice, Not a typewriter
Aug 31 10:22:40 <cHAINZ> these is, what i got for getevent
Aug 31 10:23:07 <cHAINZ> my gpio-key is not there..
Aug 31 10:24:32 <woglinde> fix kerneland first
Aug 31 10:25:15 <cHAINZ> do you mean enabled the GPIO-BUTTONS in keyboard drivers..?
Aug 31 10:25:23 <woglinde> you need to write somthing similar to the matrix
Aug 31 10:25:29 <woglinde> but with userland button
Aug 31 10:25:43 <woglinde> matrix == matrix driver
Aug 31 10:25:54 <cHAINZ> but its just singlebutton not matrix keyboard
Aug 31 10:25:59 <av500> woglinde: no need for matrix
Aug 31 10:26:06 <mru> modprobe red-pill
Aug 31 10:26:11 <av500> the example also shows single buttons
Aug 31 10:26:19 <woglinde> hm ah right sound stuff
Aug 31 10:26:39 <av500> so it
Aug 31 10:26:43 <av500> so it's all there...
Aug 31 10:26:46 <woglinde> yes
Aug 31 10:26:53 <cHAINZ> ya av500 i have compiled with the code
Aug 31 10:27:03 <av500> just to compile it is not enough
Aug 31 10:27:10 <woglinde> but chainz do not understand where his key is mapped
Aug 31 10:27:11 <av500> since this is for am335xevm
Aug 31 10:27:19 <av500> you need to modify the code
Aug 31 10:27:37 <cHAINZ> ya i'm confusing in pinMUX.
Aug 31 10:27:53 <woglinde> chainz for 2000$ i can make it for your
Aug 31 10:28:01 <woglinde> thats cheap
Aug 31 10:28:09 <cHAINZ> huh..?
Aug 31 10:28:19 <woglinde> what huh?
Aug 31 10:28:32 <woglinde> if you want av500 it costs more
Aug 31 10:28:38 <woglinde> or mru
Aug 31 10:28:46 <av500> i'll settle for $1999
Aug 31 10:28:52 <av500> +tax
Aug 31 10:28:52 <cHAINZ> sorry i'm not intersted
Aug 31 10:28:52 <woglinde> ah damn it
Aug 31 10:29:21 <woglinde> okay
Aug 31 10:29:27 <cHAINZ> but there is single task na
Aug 31 10:29:54 <cHAINZ> just have to configure the MUX, THen its will work perfectly na
Aug 31 10:30:20 <cHAINZ> hey just give a idea
Aug 31 10:30:26 <woglinde> you got all
Aug 31 10:30:30 <woglinde> no do your work
Aug 31 10:30:35 <woglinde> or quit your job
Aug 31 10:30:39 <av500> yes, muxing might be needed
Aug 31 10:31:01 <av500> again, tons of examples for that to be had
Aug 31 10:31:40 <cHAINZ> yo are right av500. because of muxing problem the GPIO button doesnt configure
Aug 31 10:32:00 <cHAINZ> i know how to do in beagleboard,
Aug 31 10:32:22 <cHAINZ> but beaglebone source code is not clear like that
Aug 31 10:32:42 <av500> its linux for both
Aug 31 10:33:02 <cHAINZ> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/0xlab-devel/14hrKgjpBKE
Aug 31 10:33:17 <cHAINZ> its the work for beagleboard
Aug 31 10:34:02 <cHAINZ> but mux.h and mux.c is fully different in TI-android source code
Aug 31 10:35:55 <woglinde> thats what you are hw guy and kernel programmer for
Aug 31 10:46:11 <cHAINZ> may be.
Aug 31 10:46:23 <cHAINZ> bit i'm new to kernel and hardware
Aug 31 10:46:28 <cHAINZ> i'm fresher
Aug 31 10:46:59 <av500> so?
Aug 31 10:47:05 <cHAINZ> i'm fresher in kernal and harware
Aug 31 10:47:13 <av500> then you are young and hungry and eager to learn
Aug 31 10:47:28 <cHAINZ> you are right
Aug 31 10:47:30 <av500> you would newer waste time here, instead you would go out there and learn all there is to learn
Aug 31 10:47:47 <av500> especially given that you have all you need in the above links
Aug 31 10:47:58 <woglinde> we are old an fat and always making fun of you
Aug 31 10:48:06 <cHAINZ> hey i have completed all my works schematic and pcb
Aug 31 10:48:24 <cHAINZ> its my final work
Aug 31 10:48:42 <cHAINZ> i have to port just 3 buttons
Aug 31 10:49:12 <cHAINZ> i know where i did mistake
Aug 31 10:49:38 <woglinde> fine
Aug 31 10:50:01 <cHAINZ> Wogline you are masters, may be legends in kernal.
Aug 31 10:50:15 <woglinde> lol
Aug 31 10:50:16 <woglinde> no
Aug 31 10:50:25 <cHAINZ> i guess its simple task for you guys
Aug 31 10:50:35 <woglinde> I only have one small patch in mainline
Aug 31 10:50:40 <woglinde> and thats for tegra
Aug 31 10:50:49 <cHAINZ> oh
Aug 31 10:51:19 <woglinde> and I am doing java in my main job
Aug 31 10:51:19 <cHAINZ> can yo guess my mistakes..?
Aug 31 10:51:27 <woglinde> lol no
Aug 31 10:51:33 <cHAINZ> fine
Aug 31 10:51:53 <woglinde> but I am eager for you to explain it
Aug 31 10:52:08 <cHAINZ> do you have experience of beaglebone hardware
Aug 31 10:52:13 <woglinde> a bit
Aug 31 10:52:13 <cHAINZ> and android
Aug 31 10:52:32 <cHAINZ> there is some gpio is avialable in header
Aug 31 10:52:44 <woglinde> sure
Aug 31 10:52:48 <cHAINZ> and there is no user buttons in beaglebone
Aug 31 10:52:50 <woglinde> its a dev baord
Aug 31 10:53:10 <av500> cHAINZ: no need to explain anything more
Aug 31 10:53:15 <av500> go and fix your code
Aug 31 10:53:37 <woglinde> haha
Aug 31 10:53:41 <woglinde> its bone
Aug 31 10:53:46 <woglinde> not xm
Aug 31 10:54:02 <cHAINZ> i'm using android in it. so wanna use 3 buttons in GPIO
Aug 31 10:54:23 <woglinde> yes, as av500 says fix your code now
Aug 31 10:54:30 <woglinde> instead of wasting your time with me
Aug 31 10:54:30 <cHAINZ> i have configured in board-evm.c
Aug 31 10:54:52 <cHAINZ> byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Aug 31 11:04:19 <Elias_> Hello Beagle Community!  At this point I am only posting because my embedded Linux professor wanted his class to know about this communication tool, but I look forward to picking the brain of this community.
Aug 31 11:05:45 * av500 fetches chainsaw
Aug 31 11:06:01 * av500 won't anybody near to his brainz
Aug 31 11:06:13 <av500> Elias_: welcome :)
Aug 31 11:08:04 <av500> woglinde: for next time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvoGic3eig0
Aug 31 11:08:23 <av500> http://www.lyricsvip.com/Violent-Femmes/Lack-of-Knowledge-Lyrics.html
Aug 31 11:35:16 <woglinde> elias_ so you are reading the irc logs to your professor?
Aug 31 11:38:38 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/43 ?
Aug 31 11:39:26 <woglinde> mru *g*
Aug 31 12:47:06 <koen> Crofton|work: I had to fudge the truth a bit in the yocto admission form
Aug 31 12:47:39 <koen> Crofton|work: the yocto compliance document it references does not exist under the title mentioned, only a vague trademark doc
Aug 31 12:54:45 <_av500_> is it like meego compliance?
Aug 31 12:54:56 <_av500_> mention is and you get shot?
Aug 31 12:56:54 <dm8tbr> gnihihihi
Aug 31 12:57:18 <_av500_> but having a compliant IRC channel might be nice
Aug 31 12:57:44 <dm8tbr> IIRC in Tizen they are making up compliance as they go. Which will be fun to see. When they kill your last years work with a change they do tomorrow
Aug 31 13:08:48 <woglinde> life is hard
Aug 31 13:13:35 <_av500_> lets go shopping
Aug 31 13:14:22 <woglinde> have fun av500
Aug 31 13:22:56 <Russ> resurrecting omap processors from being completely off is hard, I'm down with the shopping
Aug 31 15:36:59 <lix> Hello, This is a test message on IRC of Beagle
Aug 31 15:39:33 <bobsickle> nope, not working, try again
Aug 31 15:49:05 <thurbad> wtf mate?
Aug 31 16:01:48 <dm8tbr> lol
Aug 31 18:00:44 <mranostay> mru: polling a hardware clock talk in #rpi :P
Aug 31 18:03:58 <prpplague> hehe
Aug 31 20:58:28 <djlewis> chatty day
Aug 31 21:04:31 <alan_o> djlewis: It's Friday night man, I guess everyone has lives or something.
Aug 31 21:04:57 <djlewis> lives, this group, naw . . .
Aug 31 21:05:16 <alan_o> djlewis: Maybe the Beagle products attract more hipsters than we realize :)
Aug 31 21:05:38 <alan_o> so the question would be, how dead is RPi right now
Aug 31 21:06:34 <djlewis> wouldnt that be the sandal wearing suburu driving group?
Aug 31 21:08:45 <alan_o> subaru, how last decade...... they just use zipcars now :)
Aug 31 21:09:08 <alan_o> and brag about how they don't own a car
Aug 31 21:09:49 <alan_o> So OpenWebOS had a release today
Aug 31 21:09:50 <alan_o> Beta
Aug 31 21:09:54 <alan_o> http://www.openwebosproject.org/overview
Aug 31 21:10:19 <alan_o> What's the over/under on how long until people ask in this channel how to make it run on Beagle
Aug 31 21:10:30 <alan_o> I guess it's a fair question
Aug 31 21:27:57 <woglinde> alan_o answer is just compile it
Aug 31 21:29:42 <alan_o> woglinde: it has board support for beagle built in?
Aug 31 21:30:15 <alan_o> Android doesn't build for Beagle out of the box, but there's a small amount of change required to make it work.
Aug 31 21:46:22 <woglinde> openwebos is android?
Aug 31 22:02:20 <alan_o> woglinde: no, that was a for-example.
Aug 31 22:05:43 <alan_o> Note: Builds on 64-bit machines are not currently supported.
Aug 31 22:05:47 <alan_o> booooo....
Aug 31 22:06:04 <alan_o> So for Android I _have_ to have a 64-bit machine to build and for webOS, I _can't_ have 64-bit.
Aug 31 22:06:05 <ds2> @#$!#$!@$!@$!##@
Aug 31 22:06:15 <ds2> stop making demands on the build machine
Aug 31 22:06:35 <alan_o> I would tend to agree
Aug 31 22:07:02 <alan_o> Android is worse though, have to have a specific Sun JDK (and not OpenJDK)
Aug 31 22:08:12 <ds2> working on patching out the 64bitness in android
Aug 31 22:08:23 <alan_o> oh, nice.
Aug 31 22:08:37 <alan_o> Android requires specific ubuntu as well
Aug 31 22:08:52 <ds2> not really
Aug 31 22:08:58 <ds2> I gotten it to build on different versions
Aug 31 22:09:03 <ds2> and the results even run :D
Aug 31 22:09:44 <alan_o> I guess that's good. They act on the mailing list like other than the specific right one is not supported. I suppose that makes sense from their end, to not have to support the whole world.
Aug 31 22:10:20 <alan_o> It's a little surprising there isn't more community around Android sending patches in for that kind of stuff
Aug 31 22:11:02 <alan_o> With the kernel there are so many people who _want_ to be involved, that picking around the edges is done frequently
Aug 31 22:11:15 <alan_o> It doesn't seems so with Android.
Aug 31 22:15:02 <thurbad> maybe because it's a thinly veiled commercial venture?
Aug 31 22:15:19 <alan_o> thurbad: well it is a commercial venture
Aug 31 22:15:26 <alan_o> There's no veil about it
Aug 31 22:15:52 <thurbad> sure, but some people early on thought the google would be more... open
Aug 31 22:16:34 <alan_o> Well, I'm not entirely sure what people want in that respect. They deliver all the source code, but that's not good enough for some, apparently
Aug 31 22:16:58 <alan_o> It'll never be what Linux is, for example. It can't
Aug 31 22:17:36 <alan_o> Maybe it could, but all the maintainers would work for google.
Aug 31 22:18:33 <alan_o> The thing about it is, and maybe this will rub some the wrong way, but the way a lot of OSS projects work, and I think the kernel included, is an inefficient model with respect to developer time spent per feature added.
Aug 31 22:18:36 <alan_o> The code quality is high
Aug 31 22:18:40 <alan_o> no doubt about it
Aug 31 22:18:58 <alan_o> but you can't compare typing emails to sitting across a cubicle from the people you're working with
Aug 31 22:19:31 * djlewis hates cubicals
Aug 31 22:19:56 <alan_o> And as a result, you end up with a project that isn't very "open," not because people are trying to keep secrets, but because every conversation isn't documented in email and published.
Aug 31 22:20:15 <ds2> support is just that
Aug 31 22:20:31 <ds2> does it work or not is different from support
Aug 31 22:20:52 <alan_o> ds2: how do you mean?
Aug 31 22:21:41 <ds2> you can probally drive a porshe through road with tons of boulders on it but if it breaks, you can't expect porche to fix your car under warrantee
Aug 31 22:21:43 <alan_o> And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to pick on the kernel. It's certainly the largest software project in the world, and the development model is the best there is for dealing with that many devs on a scale as large as it is, spread out over the entire planet.
Aug 31 22:21:51 <ds2> same idea here
Aug 31 22:24:17 <alan_o> ds2: I guess I still don't get the analogy, you're saying that porsche in your example is like google, that they can't support everyone who is trying to do every crazy thing?
Aug 31 22:25:07 <ds2> no I am saying what works and what is supported are 2 very different things
Aug 31 22:25:14 <alan_o> oh oh
Aug 31 22:25:15 <alan_o> yeah
Aug 31 22:25:16 <ds2> a lot of things can work but only a subset of that can be supported
Aug 31 22:25:18 <alan_o> no doubt about that
Aug 31 22:26:25 <alan_o> Android is such a frustration to me. The fact that it takes so much in the way of CPU/RAM/GPU to make a basic OS work.
Aug 31 22:26:39 <alan_o> If only it weren't Java
Aug 31 22:26:45 <alan_o> or maybe, if only it weren't dalvik
Aug 31 22:27:11 <ds2> it doesn't really take that much CPU/RAM/GPU
Aug 31 22:27:15 <ds2> it is just what the defaults are set to
Aug 31 22:27:29 <ds2> there are folks who have cranked it way down.
Aug 31 22:27:41 <ds2> it did start with 926 cores w/o a GPU
Aug 31 22:27:58 <alan_o> I have an HTC magic.
Aug 31 22:28:02 <alan_o> and it's brutal
Aug 31 22:28:16 <alan_o> running Cyanogen CM7 ( I think it's 7)
Aug 31 22:28:27 <alan_o> sure that could be called an underpowered device
Aug 31 22:29:00 <ds2> has it been devillified?
Aug 31 22:29:14 <alan_o> devillified?
Aug 31 22:29:20 <alan_o> which part, the phone?
Aug 31 22:29:21 <ds2> otherwise, you are wasting a good part of your bandwidth and CPU on spyware
Aug 31 22:29:24 <ds2> the OS
Aug 31 22:29:35 <alan_o> It's Cyanogen, so I assume they didn't put crap on it
Aug 31 22:29:44 <alan_o> I haven't seen any crapware anyway
Aug 31 22:30:05 <ds2> does it run market?
Aug 31 22:30:25 <alan_o> yeah, I installed the google apps
Aug 31 22:30:33 <ds2> then it has not been devillified
Aug 31 22:30:41 <ds2> those things are infested with spyware
Aug 31 22:30:59 <ds2> (definition of spyware: anything that reports on every little thing you do.)
Aug 31 22:31:12 <alan_o> hmm, I never see it in the app list running, but I guess it could have services. I don't check those that often
Aug 31 22:31:46 <alan_o> What's your solution to Market? How to get apps onto your phone easily? Amazon Store, etc?
Aug 31 22:31:50 <alan_o> Haven't tried Amazon store
Aug 31 22:31:54 <ds2> it is is compiled in.
Aug 31 22:32:01 <ds2> adb install.
Aug 31 22:32:08 <ds2> just sniff the network.
Aug 31 22:32:14 <alan_o> It sucks that you can't downloade apps from the Market website.
Aug 31 22:32:18 <ds2> every install, remove is reported back to the mothership
Aug 31 22:32:42 <ds2> there are other activities that get reported but I haven't dissected them yet
Aug 31 22:32:47 <alan_o> interesting, so market has a hook for when apps get installed deinstalled
Aug 31 22:33:03 <ds2> no, the hooks are outside of market
Aug 31 22:33:11 <ds2> but the fact that market runs means you haven't purged those hooks
Aug 31 22:33:20 <alan_o> oh, part of the google app package
Aug 31 22:33:21 <ds2> purge enough of it and market will not run
Aug 31 22:33:34 <alan_o> ah
Aug 31 22:33:47 <ds2> sniff the connection and you'll see all the spying going on
Aug 31 22:34:07 <alan_o> so if I blow away the google apps (or just not install them...), what's the best way to install apps easily then?
Aug 31 22:34:17 <alan_o> Is the amazon app store evil?
Aug 31 22:34:28 <ds2> donno, haven't dissected them
Aug 31 22:34:51 <ds2> but the point here is that it isn't so much that Android itself requires a lot of crap.
Aug 31 22:35:40 <alan_o> Yeah, I do know that it ran a lot better before I put the google apps on. It got much worse when I did that, then has gotten progressively even worse
Aug 31 22:35:56 <alan_o> So can the new versions be made to run without acceleration?
Aug 31 22:36:41 <ds2> and IIRC (this is supposition at the moment), Maps is a big offender as it tries to steal info about your WiFi setup so it wakes up quite often. really kills the battery from what I have observed. haven't proved it is Maps though
Aug 31 22:36:55 <ds2> IIRC, GB definitely can...haven't looked at ICS or JB personall
Aug 31 22:38:42 <alan_o> you run the Linaro Android code?
Aug 31 22:38:48 <alan_o> I've wanted to try it out
Aug 31 22:38:59 <alan_o> saw that video the other month about the performance improvements
Aug 31 22:39:01 <ds2> nope. not touching that with a 40km pole ;)
Aug 31 22:39:09 <alan_o> no?
Aug 31 22:39:11 <ds2> without a
Aug 31 22:39:13 <alan_o> not a Linaro fan?
Aug 31 22:39:25 <alan_o> They have some smart dudes.
Aug 31 22:39:29 <ds2> not their android stuff... the GCC stuff is nice
Aug 31 22:40:27 <alan_o> See this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrQRYmYip6Q
Aug 31 22:40:45 <alan_o> I went to his talk at ELC.
Aug 31 22:40:59 <ds2> oh that... I went to that talk too I think
Aug 31 22:41:23 <ds2> it isn't about the people... it is just the platforms for their builds.
Aug 31 22:42:17 <alan_o> the platforms they support?
Aug 31 22:43:16 <ds2> better code elsewhere
Aug 31 22:43:22 <alan_o> ah
Aug 31 22:44:38 <alan_o> ok, time to mow the lawn.... later
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