**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 09 02:59:59 2012 Oct 09 03:03:11 iswilson: look at /sys/class/led ... something like that. use tab-complete :) Oct 09 03:03:19 familiar with sysfs? Oct 09 03:04:42 So since you're new here..... it's important to realize that the beagle products are very hacker-oriented, and as such there are a lot of resources online with what mdp likes to call "varying degrees of wrongness" Oct 09 03:05:11 google is often your friend. For example, it found this for me: http://beaglebone.cameon.net/home/using-the-user-leds Oct 09 03:09:41 Oh this google thing. I should probably stop asking questions and search more. Thanks much Alan Oct 09 03:10:09 What do you do with the beagle products? Oct 09 03:10:32 iswilson: No problem. It's ok to ask questions. You'll typically get better answers if you google around first. Oct 09 03:11:22 Right now, I use the bone as a general purpose system for developing/testing my driver code. Oct 09 03:11:45 I recently made a driver for a Microchip 802.15.4 module. Oct 09 03:11:57 but I haven't booted my bone in a couple weeks :( Oct 09 03:13:30 Are there any off the shell bluetooth implementations for Beagle Bone? Oct 09 03:13:55 (I did actually peak around about this, and most of what I stumbled upon were USB based solutions, rather than capes) Oct 09 03:14:29 I don't know about that one. Oct 09 03:15:21 looks like circuitco is working on something Oct 09 03:21:09 USB bluetooth should work as-is Oct 09 11:48:17 What is the difference between the MMCHS_IE and MMCHS_ISE register (Interrupt SD enable register Oct 09 11:48:35 v.s. Interrupt signal enable register Oct 09 11:48:40 ) Oct 09 11:49:25 is the signal one guiding the interrupt to the interrupt controller? Oct 09 11:55:47 (yes) Oct 09 12:28:16 http://www.broadcom.com/products/Cellular/3G-Baseband-Processors/BCM21553 Oct 09 13:15:28 * koen looks at the empty README in the git repo Oct 09 13:15:45 should I bother to fill it in or just accept that no one will actually read it Oct 09 13:15:58 it's a trap! Oct 09 13:15:58 koen: did you check the backside? Oct 09 13:24:46 hi all Oct 09 13:25:12 can i control 12 micro servo (or more) with the beaglebone ? Oct 09 13:26:47 mtroy: does it have 12 PWM channels? Oct 09 13:27:57 you can hook all 12 to a single channel Oct 09 13:28:39 i dont have dedicated controller for the servo Oct 09 13:29:09 i wonder if i juste can converti gpio mode to use all servo at the same time Oct 09 13:30:08 koen: really? but then you have those fancy PPM servos, if you have the el-cheapo ones, then it's not as easy AFAIR Oct 09 13:30:35 Phrewfuf|work: I was kidding Oct 09 13:30:44 how unprofessional Oct 09 13:31:14 you can add as many as you can add i2c/spi pwm controllers too Oct 09 13:31:35 koen: actually...you could hook all t oone channel...ne never said that he wanted to drive them independently :D Oct 09 13:31:54 that was the gist of my remark :) Oct 09 13:32:05 koen->meanie++ Oct 09 13:33:51 anyway, AFAIR there are the old servos which need separate channels, the normal ones where you can use one channel for multiple servos (don't ask me how many exactly) and the modern fancy ones with a digital interface...daisychaining FTW Oct 09 13:41:43 im novice Oct 09 13:42:13 i want to know which pin can i connect to my servo Oct 09 13:42:48 i've the map of P9 and P8 but i cant find where can i plug them Oct 09 13:45:03 https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables Oct 09 13:46:54 mtroy, if you know you want to hook to a pwm...and the h/w pwm block is called ehrpwm..then you can find the possible pins from that Oct 09 13:47:59 aaah tanks !! Oct 09 13:49:10 mtroy, for the most part you'll see that the pin names line up 1:1 with the different peripheral blocks described in the TRM..so you can find most everything that way Oct 09 13:49:26 * mdp carefully avoids absolutes Oct 09 13:53:47 ok Oct 09 13:53:49 then Oct 09 13:53:52 for example Oct 09 13:54:15 i can convert all pins P8 to 7th mode Oct 09 13:54:29 and plug my servos on it ? Oct 09 13:55:05 dont you want PWM? Oct 09 13:56:49 there are 8 pwm channels on the expansion connectors Oct 09 13:57:04 10 if you count the 2 current sinks in the PMIC header Oct 09 13:57:15 so that leaves 4 channels Oct 09 13:57:27 which you can do with gpio or with pru+gpio Oct 09 13:57:30 or SPI Oct 09 13:58:34 or i2c Oct 09 13:59:02 koen, sounds like you are suggesting some bitbanging Oct 09 13:59:27 I was Oct 09 13:59:28 https://github.com/maxpowel/BeagleBone-Tools/blob/master/servo/example.py Oct 09 13:59:33 completely out of character Oct 09 13:59:40 i've founded this Oct 09 14:00:00 but i dont know if i can use it with 12 servo Oct 09 14:00:15 u said the bbone have only 8PWM ? Oct 09 14:00:16 no Oct 09 14:00:20 yes Oct 09 14:01:15 then Oct 09 14:01:26 bone has only 8 PWM Oct 09 14:01:27 i must use digital i/o ? Oct 09 14:01:32 you can do 4 more with some tricks Oct 09 14:01:37 as kone said: Oct 09 14:01:43 [15:57:15] so that leaves 4 channels Oct 09 14:01:44 [15:57:27] which you can do with gpio or with pru+gpio Oct 09 14:01:46 [15:57:30] or SPI Oct 09 14:01:51 i dont see the pwm pin on the pins map Oct 09 14:02:06 p8 45 and 46 are 2 Oct 09 14:02:16 [15:46:54] mtroy, if you know you want to hook to a pwm...and the h/w pwm block is called ehrpwm..then you can find the possible pins from that Oct 09 14:02:17 as is p8 36 Oct 09 14:02:31 ecap is the other pwm Oct 09 14:02:45 35 to ? Oct 09 14:02:54 ops Oct 09 14:02:55 34* Oct 09 14:03:16 not sure, I used the bebopr cape as cheatsheet, that only uses 3 pwms Oct 09 14:04:21 just use 2x bones Oct 09 14:05:07 koen, I think the ecap-as-pwm thing throws people off a lot Oct 09 14:05:30 yeah Oct 09 14:05:39 koen, keeps people on their toes! Oct 09 14:06:24 so 6 pwm pwms and 2 ecap pwms? Oct 09 14:06:38 pwmwpwmwpwmwmw Oct 09 14:06:42 av500, yeah, the ecap block has a couple pwms in it Oct 09 14:06:53 ya, we put pwm in your pwm too Oct 09 14:07:01 and to my knowledge we have no driver for the ecap-iness of the ecap Oct 09 14:07:10 but my knowledge is woefully limited Oct 09 14:07:21 it's TI, no driver is the default state Oct 09 14:07:26 not for am335x Oct 09 14:07:35 there should be ecap drivers for the other platforms Oct 09 14:07:48 for centaurus Oct 09 14:07:54 toss me another beer and I shall disseminate additional wrong information Oct 09 14:08:09 * bradfa throws beer on mdp Oct 09 14:08:14 mmm Oct 09 14:43:53 and Oct 09 14:44:20 i suppose i must use lot of logic converter ? (servo = 48 / 6v) Oct 09 14:46:56 ztroy = mtroy Oct 09 14:47:35 then, 1 logic converter (3.3 to 5v) can be sufficient for 12 servo ? Oct 09 14:47:42 or i need more logic conv ? Oct 09 14:51:30 i've shipped that http://shop.boxtec.ch/logic-level-converter-p-40705.html Oct 09 15:10:16 D^2: what? Oct 09 15:21:36 is there no TRM for the M4 on the lunchpack? Oct 09 15:22:57 ah there is Oct 09 15:23:02 just ti search cannot find it Oct 09 15:23:45 hmmm why when i enable gpio39, the led wont light ? Oct 09 15:23:48 echo 1 > gpio39/value Oct 09 15:24:28 av500, 1200 pages of bed-time reading Oct 09 15:24:41 yes Oct 09 15:25:02 I've been reading while waiting for my lunchpaddles to arrive Oct 09 15:25:29 it's an arduino killer! Oct 09 15:25:33 :) Oct 09 15:25:36 ;) Oct 09 15:25:40 compiled ucLinux for it? Oct 09 15:26:19 my life is complete with only the stellarisware that's in ROM Oct 09 15:26:38 what doth it do? Oct 09 15:27:09 it's hard to argue with having the complete set of peripheral apis in ROM on the part Oct 09 15:27:14 assuming they aren't broken, that is Oct 09 15:29:27 nice, serial boot Oct 09 15:34:10 ztroy: did you set the direction? Which board? Would you be better served with /sys/class/leds ? Oct 09 15:37:14 ztroy: for gpioX/value to work, you need to be in gpio mode (mode 7 i think) Oct 09 15:37:20 and it could be upside down Oct 09 15:37:24 (ie 0 is on, 1 is off) Oct 09 15:41:58 i use bbone Oct 09 15:42:06 and i set the direction to out Oct 09 15:42:41 how can i know the active mode ? Oct 09 15:42:44 morning old peoples Oct 09 15:43:01 esp _av500_ Oct 09 15:43:05 \o/ Oct 09 15:43:52 hehehe Oct 09 15:45:25 echo 39 > export; echo out > gpio39/direction; echo 1 > gpio39/value Oct 09 15:45:25 that what i make Oct 09 15:45:38 but the led staying off Oct 09 15:45:47 ok Oct 09 15:45:50 did you try echo 0 ? Oct 09 15:45:59 can't remember whether it's active-low Oct 09 15:46:11 besides.... did you try /sys/class/leds ? Oct 09 15:46:16 when i echo 1, directly after, cat value show 0... Oct 09 15:46:37 ok, that's probably because the leds driver is using it Oct 09 15:46:45 active_low is at 0 Oct 09 15:46:47 if you look into, say, /sys/class/leds...... Oct 09 15:47:12 class/leds is used for user led on board Oct 09 15:47:21 yes it is. Oct 09 15:47:26 mranostay, welcome, punk Oct 09 15:47:30 and that's what you want, right? Oct 09 15:47:37 but i wanna use a true led Oct 09 15:47:48 not the smd Oct 09 15:47:58 ok, meaning that you jammed a LED into one of the connectors? Oct 09 15:48:04 yes Oct 09 15:48:11 gnd 1 Oct 09 15:48:19 and P8.4 Oct 09 15:48:30 that why i use gpio39 Oct 09 15:48:41 ok, I'm not sure that those outputs are pulled up. Oct 09 15:48:50 av500, serial boot...talking about LP M4? Oct 09 15:48:51 are you familiar with pulling up, and switching ground? Oct 09 15:49:03 mdp: yep Oct 09 15:49:27 yeah, nice featurelist...DFU too Oct 09 15:49:48 we can't afford DFU on am335x Oct 09 15:50:06 ok when i echo 1 > active_low, the value stay on 1 Oct 09 15:50:08 ztroy: however.... you say that you echo the value and it doesn't read properly. Can't remember whether that can be expected or not Oct 09 15:50:13 but always off Oct 09 15:50:30 jkridner was right: http://brendaneich.github.com/Strange-Loop-2012/#/50 Oct 09 15:50:52 :) Oct 09 15:51:39 heh Oct 09 15:52:03 ztroy: http://www.nathandumont.com/node/250 Oct 09 15:52:33 probably didn't do the mux right. I wasn't thinking about mux because I originally thought you were using the on-board leds. Oct 09 15:52:40 mdp: its true, I read it on the net Oct 09 15:52:42 av500, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg convinced me to not argue with Node Oct 09 15:53:31 mdp: in fact I dont care *what exactly* makes my endorsementville so speedy Oct 09 15:53:51 as long as Zyngedin rocks Oct 09 15:54:18 I'm a happy Paycheckbook camper Oct 09 15:54:18 /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/gpmc_ad6 i'll try to put in mode 7 Oct 09 15:54:25 as long as recruiters understand my complete and total mastery of Google Search, I'm ok with anything Oct 09 15:55:11 hmmm why m'y /sys/kernel/debug/ is empty ??? Oct 09 15:55:18 not mounted Oct 09 15:55:24 im running archlinux Oct 09 15:55:34 even that needs to mount it Oct 09 15:55:52 mdp: hilarious Oct 09 15:56:04 mdp: "but I'm a total speed junkie" Oct 09 15:56:10 ztroy, debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs 0 0 in your /etc/fstab Oct 09 15:56:16 alan_o: ;) Oct 09 15:57:07 nice a $10 ebook reader: http://www.buchreport.de/nachrichten/online/online_nachricht/datum/2012/10/09/spuerhund-soll-massenmarkt-erschliessen.htm Oct 09 15:57:13 can we run android on it? Oct 09 15:58:10 can you imagine a beowulf cluster of those things? Oct 09 15:58:28 I want 20 of them in a spiral binder Oct 09 15:58:37 "alternating between problems that are already solved and problems that don't actually exist" Oct 09 15:58:50 aah tanks Oct 09 15:59:08 alan_o: if we don't create problems how will we keep employed? :) Oct 09 15:59:09 ztroy: work now? Oct 09 15:59:54 mdp: can you imagine how many embedded engineers that stellarisware is putting out of jobs? Oct 09 16:00:04 I wont mention the ROM to my boss! Oct 09 16:00:54 yes, the eye of sauron is in dallas Oct 09 16:01:36 YEAH Oct 09 16:01:52 gpmc_ad7 had still in mode 0 Oct 09 16:01:53 one does not simply use ROM code for GPIO!!! Oct 09 16:01:54 av500, you'll be retrained as an analog guy Oct 09 16:02:04 now in 7th its works !!! Oct 09 16:02:09 tanks all Oct 09 16:02:28 Love Is the Seventh Mode Oct 09 16:02:37 heh Oct 09 16:02:39 av500, dammit, my new kindle is arriving today, why do you need to post that now Oct 09 16:02:47 Russ: because! Oct 09 16:02:57 Russ, paperwhite? Oct 09 16:03:00 Russ: paperwhite? Oct 09 16:03:05 paperwhite Oct 09 16:03:05 paperwipe? Oct 09 16:03:18 Russ, will like to hear your review Oct 09 16:03:24 interesting, 'Spürhund' translates to 'Beagle' Oct 09 16:03:40 Russ: but this one is: “No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.” Oct 09 16:03:42 I'm still rocking my pre kindle keyboard kindle keyboard ;) Oct 09 16:03:45 Russ: makes sense Oct 09 16:04:09 the beagle is a tracking dog Oct 09 16:05:16 much in the same way, the Beagleboard tracks down solutions to problems. Oct 09 16:05:41 mdp: while I agree there is some of that going on by folks that don't understand it and just repeat the message, it is a nice tool. Oct 09 16:05:45 mdp: any of your beagles named Boris? Oct 09 16:06:42 jkridner, I was actually trying my hand at some beagle marketeering there ;) Oct 09 16:07:13 mranostay, absolutely not, they do not have mustaches Oct 09 16:09:13 * mdp searches for and deletes a seemingly endless stream of unused davinci defines Oct 09 16:09:39 dang it mdp, now I'm watching these dang videos....... MongoDB vs MySQL, also hilarious. Oct 09 16:10:04 alan_o, it's a tempting alternative to my current torture Oct 09 16:10:41 "If /dev/null is fast in web-scale, then I will use it... is it web-scale?" Oct 09 16:11:10 what is mongodb? Oct 09 16:11:23 hipster nosql database Oct 09 16:11:26 did i misss yet another database engine Oct 09 16:11:46 the latest trend is nodbv Oct 09 16:11:47 what do you mean by "miss?" :) Oct 09 16:11:48 the latest trend is nodb Oct 09 16:12:03 in fact nodata movement is gaining traction fast Oct 09 16:12:20 specially among the nophone crowd Oct 09 16:12:33 alan_o, this one deserves a parody but I don't know of one, "Coding everything in C or C++ makes you leet. The more you suffer, the more leet you obviously are. Using languages like Lisp or Python or somesuch is just a cop-out for people who aren't able to write low-level code because they are stupid, and they are unable to deal with the low-level stuff." Oct 09 16:12:45 * av500 polishes his nolife manifesto Oct 09 16:12:49 alan_o, from some ubuntu ph0rum Oct 09 16:12:50 av500: hey, nophone... now that sounds great to me :) Oct 09 16:13:27 alan_o: more at #noirc Oct 09 16:13:45 av500: is that on twitter? Oct 09 16:13:46 is there a nomeetings movement? Oct 09 16:14:14 mdp: nothatweknowoff Oct 09 16:14:44 mdp: I guess I don't quite get it... is the C/C++ thing sarcastic when said? Oct 09 16:15:14 yes, he's poking at C/C++ people Oct 09 16:15:33 hmmmm Oct 09 16:15:48 hmm, one of them even woke up Oct 09 16:18:48 alan_o, hopefully you've seen real programmers before: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/realmen.html Oct 09 16:19:01 mdp: yeah, I love that one. Oct 09 16:19:16 it had more character on usenet Oct 09 16:19:20 during fortran class ;) Oct 09 16:20:52 mdp: yeah.. It's fun to read that article (essay?) and see how it's all the same arguments as today. Oct 09 16:21:21 being one of those low-level guys, it feels like the whole profession must be so much more watered down than it used to. Oct 09 16:21:59 alan_o, it's reminded me of a few lines I'd like to use wrt the PRU ;) Oct 09 16:22:32 I was talking to a friend about some of the people he works with, and I said something like, "that's where using git would be great, because you could have everyone on their own branch and send pull requests to whoever is in charge, like we do in OSS." He responded with, "these people can't even get their head around subversion." Oct 09 16:23:15 hehe, I haven't done the PRU yet. It's on my list though. Oct 09 16:23:53 if it can't be done in assembly, it's not worth doing Oct 09 16:29:31 SilicaGel, I sent you and beagle list a scope plot of mmc0 on a bone, is that helpful? Oct 09 16:29:47 I'm bad at scopes, though, so take my "square" wave with a grain of salt Oct 09 16:49:07 koen: I'm getting a different error building nodejs now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269571/ Oct 09 16:49:36 ouch Oct 09 16:49:43 it's trying to access your host Oct 09 16:50:03 jkridner: btw, open conf/local.conf and tweak the settings to threads Oct 09 16:52:10 bradfa: thanks! Oct 09 16:52:16 bradfa: the main thing really is Oct 09 16:52:41 bradfa: I appreciate the suggestion of wiring up an SD (storage) card up to that interface. That's not somethign I had even thought of, and it is a really good idea. Oct 09 16:52:48 That will let me figure out if it works at all Oct 09 16:53:10 koen: yeah... any idea why? Oct 09 16:53:43 Right now there's just too many issues ... Wl12712 drivers, firmware loaders, pin selection for the other signals. There's a lot to go wrong, but if I wire an SD memory card up to it and it works... Oct 09 16:54:00 bradfa: the other piece of all this taht amkes it worse is a 3.3V to 1.8V automatic bidirectional switch Oct 09 16:54:02 jkridner: no, sorry Oct 09 17:02:26 SilicaGel, who's got a 3.3 to 1.8 switch? Oct 09 17:03:11 mdp, you'll be happy, I printed my pin-mux tables on 11x17 paper, they're glorious! Oct 09 17:03:30 bradfa, want! Oct 09 17:03:46 I send you a copy though the Internets! Oct 09 17:03:46 I shall consult the keeper of the 11x17 printbed Oct 09 17:04:02 winmail.dat format? Oct 09 17:04:22 bradfa, or stuffit?!? Oct 09 17:04:22 yes! Oct 09 17:04:32 both, simultaneously! Oct 09 17:04:38 * mdp bounces Oct 09 17:05:16 bradfa, we already had a happy support customer I use the electrons-nics version on this morning Oct 09 17:05:40 closed that ticket out...fast Oct 09 17:06:07 good to hear! Oct 09 17:06:20 another happy #beagle customer ;) Oct 09 17:06:54 mdp, you have support tickets for #beagle customers? Oct 09 17:07:01 hehe Oct 09 17:07:05 do you print them out? Oct 09 17:07:36 the channel does sometimes have a helpdesk feel to it Oct 09 17:08:00 I thought that was part of the point :) Oct 09 17:08:05 maybe more like the BOFH type helpdesk, but a helpdesk nontheless Oct 09 17:08:18 depends whether mru is on :) Oct 09 17:08:50 have you tried turning it off and on again? Oct 09 17:09:54 ...speaking of Usenet era phenomena Oct 09 17:10:07 usenet still exists Oct 09 17:10:19 and guess what, september finally ended Oct 09 17:10:21 so by definition, we are still in that era..I see Oct 09 17:10:25 nooooo!!!! Oct 09 17:10:37 the idiots all went to facebook and whatnot Oct 09 17:11:36 ph0rums Oct 09 17:11:39 mdp: why is usb not in the LM4 TRM? Oct 09 17:13:29 av500, rev. D of datasheet in chapter 18? Oct 09 17:14:14 named "analog comparators"? Oct 09 17:14:38 to bitbang it? Oct 09 17:15:00 I don't always use analog comparators Oct 09 17:15:03 but when I do... Oct 09 17:15:10 mdp: darn Oct 09 17:15:19 er Oct 09 17:15:25 why does the website say no ueb? Oct 09 17:15:25 spms294d.pdf Oct 09 17:15:27 usb? Oct 09 17:15:43 SPMS321C Oct 09 17:15:54 uh oh, maybe I grabbed the wrong sheet for another part in the line Oct 09 17:15:54 LM4F210H5QR Oct 09 17:16:03 aint that the one on lunchpack? Oct 09 17:16:10 http://www.ti.com/product/lm4f210h5qr Oct 09 17:16:57 aargh Oct 09 17:17:00 210 vs 120 Oct 09 17:17:39 yeah, I have the LM4F120H5QR Oct 09 17:17:40 open Oct 09 17:17:50 stupid typing, should stick to copy&pasta Oct 09 17:18:20 my lunchboxes are still not here Oct 09 17:18:22 starving Oct 09 17:18:45 same here Oct 09 17:34:01 What's this lunchbox thing? Oct 09 17:34:09 I'm having a hard time googling for it Oct 09 17:34:49 lunchbox == launchpad Oct 09 17:34:58 ? Oct 09 17:35:12 no :) Oct 09 17:35:27 mdp and av500 have been talking about them a couple days Oct 09 17:35:43 I got my launchpad yesterday, go go TI paying for 2 day FedEx... Oct 09 17:36:00 bradfa, just like getting samples ;) Oct 09 17:37:54 oh wait, maybe you were serious Oct 09 17:38:05 is that what it is, a launchpad? Oct 09 17:38:25 first thing popped into my head was launchpad.net when you said that :) Oct 09 17:38:44 model rocket launchpad, yes Oct 09 17:41:11 You guys getting this Red Bull Stratos thing about to launch? Oct 09 17:41:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vkJ5ItzEq3M Oct 09 17:42:21 bradfa: I do, it's a T.I. part. The problem is the TiWi-R2 module needs 1.8V logic levels. Oct 09 17:42:34 nevermind on the balloon thing.... just aborted Oct 09 18:00:00 * SilicaGel Do Not Eat Oct 09 18:03:02 heh, good old "donoteat" Oct 09 18:10:42 I'm at my wit's end trying to get OE to build nodejs. :( Oct 09 18:13:49 ugh... I hate those kind of problems :( Oct 09 18:15:59 problems occur everywhere Oct 09 18:22:40 build system problems are up there with root canals Oct 09 18:24:31 To me it's like fixing the lawnmower or weedeater...... it's the work I have to do, in order to start doing my work. Oct 09 18:24:57 It's bad enough that I have to mow the lawn........ Oct 09 18:25:09 i don't have a lawn Oct 09 18:25:17 Looking at the schedule, and the length of grass.... if I don't get out there today.. .I don't know when it will happen. Oct 09 18:25:19 am i missing the point though? Oct 09 18:25:24 * mdp adds jkridner into his #beagle questions statistics Oct 09 18:25:41 now 41% OE questions Oct 09 18:25:50 :) Oct 09 18:25:52 ;) Oct 09 18:26:12 expression of frustration = question? :) Oct 09 18:26:19 yes! Oct 09 18:26:28 I'm lying with statistics...'tis the season Oct 09 18:26:42 frustration? Oct 09 18:26:43 I think that's _always_ in season Oct 09 18:26:51 no, lying :) Oct 09 18:28:17 bring me the head of a Yocto developer! Oct 09 18:28:26 * mranostay notes he got carried away Oct 09 18:28:27 "usb is badass rockstar technology" Oct 09 18:28:38 you said it's in season, right? Oct 09 18:29:00 mranostay, heh Oct 09 18:29:53 hey hey..... I'm a USB guy... Oct 09 18:30:21 but yes, USB is a pain. But there's no opportunity in things which aren't hard. Oct 09 18:30:47 mranostay: you mean: bring me the head of a Yocto *Project* developer! Oct 09 18:30:48 and no I in team! Oct 09 18:30:59 mranostay: don't want to get sued for bad use of trademarks Oct 09 18:31:15 alan_o, we are dangerously close to a team building exercise and stage falls with talk like that Oct 09 18:31:43 hah Oct 09 18:32:19 I suppose so, but everything that makes USB hard are the things that put cash in my pocket. Oct 09 18:32:28 That was my point :) Oct 09 18:35:43 alan_o, for some reason, that reminds me of http://www.despair.com/consulting.html Oct 09 18:35:51 an office favorite Oct 09 18:35:56 yes Oct 09 18:36:10 one of my favorites..... Oct 09 18:36:25 I will say that I am not guilty of that. Oct 09 18:37:23 So what algorithm does the "N people like $website on facebook" use to determine which 5 pictures to put up? Oct 09 18:38:32 sort_by_max_advertiser_revenue() Oct 09 18:40:13 371M people like dispair.com on facebook. Aren't there only 500M people on facebook? Oct 09 18:40:51 60+% of fb users have clicked "like" for dispair.com? seems wrong. Oct 09 18:58:00 <_av500_> 1000M people Oct 09 19:03:38 alan_o, they are using webcams on peoples computers now to detect a hint of a smile Oct 09 19:06:30 fire those smilers :P Oct 09 19:10:16 sounds about right Oct 09 19:11:13 SilicaGel, am335x HSMMC can run with 1.8 v levels Oct 09 19:11:13 whether Linux makes that easy, I don't know Oct 09 19:11:25 if you don't look mad, you're not working hard enough Oct 09 19:11:28 WITHOUT thos etranslators? Oct 09 19:11:31 Even in SDIO mode? Oct 09 19:11:34 Are you crapping me? Oct 09 19:16:46 SilicaGel, have to run to meeting, look through am335x trm, I belive I'm write Oct 09 19:30:22 I look madder than hell ! Oct 09 19:31:07 * djlewis is multitask working on 9 computers Oct 09 19:31:15 <_av500_> 3x43 grid? Oct 09 19:31:17 <_av500_> 3x3 Oct 09 19:31:29 <_av500_> or SIL? Oct 09 19:36:20 <_av500_> looks like he deadlocked Oct 09 19:36:22 djlewis, does the include your calculator-watch? Oct 09 19:36:53 * djlewis does not wear watches or jewelry Oct 09 19:37:44 no rings on my fingers.. no rings on my toes, no ring i my nose... needs music accompanment Oct 09 19:37:48 <_av500_> they always tangle in the chain mail Oct 09 19:37:50 for some reason I was think of the classic 1980s calculator watches Oct 09 19:38:02 saw one once. Oct 09 19:38:22 * djlewis did have a LED digital watch in 77 Oct 09 20:28:10 for $24 you can have one again: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e59d/?rkgid=275668648&cpg=ogpla&source=google_pla&gclid=CLm3tb3i9LICFQQGnQod_h4AvQ Oct 09 20:28:37 Sorry, should have cut that link down, most of it is tracking... arrrrgh. Oct 09 20:29:56 oh man, I had no idea: http://www.oobject.com/category/top-15-classic-calculator-watches/ Oct 09 20:33:46 * Russ wonders what the source of 00:e0:4c:53:44:58 Oct 09 20:35:45 alan_o, #2 is the gold standard from my memory Oct 09 20:46:33 I had the #2 and #3 watches Oct 09 21:00:17 looks like about 1/2 dozen didnt get the idea of watch calc Oct 09 21:01:15 yeah.. look more like calcs strapped to a wrist Oct 09 21:02:30 thurbad, #2 seemed quite cool in 1981 Oct 09 21:15:46 alan_o: hey i see your state is in the news again :) Oct 09 22:55:36 arrrrrg Oct 09 22:55:44 mini bgas and DRC @#$#$@#%@#%$#@$@ Oct 09 22:57:10 4/4? Oct 09 22:57:11 :) Oct 09 22:57:56 6/6 Oct 09 22:58:01 cost reasons Oct 09 22:58:01 went to radioshack for an hdmi->dvi cable, $45. that sad. Oct 09 22:58:25 order it online Oct 09 22:58:38 yeah, $6 shipped from amazon, and it's blue Oct 09 22:59:22 0.8mm? Oct 09 22:59:39 monoprice Oct 09 23:00:11 instant gratification counts for some $$ Oct 09 23:00:34 okay, so i'm flipping coins between ubuntu and openembedded. OE seems to have better documentation on bitbake and since i've gotta build a custom kernel and some packages and such, it seems like being able to compile off the device to be a plus. i've never done any cross-compiling before, any thoughts on which distro is a better fit? Oct 09 23:07:45 0.75mm Oct 09 23:11:34 ds2, yikes Oct 09 23:11:49 hopefully no vias Oct 09 23:12:35 and I hope the pads are less than 290um Oct 09 23:13:14 http://pastebin.com/x7qnjgxw hmm...looks at r, looks at i, looks at r, looks at i Oct 09 23:18:54 nope. hence the problem Oct 09 23:19:06 recommend pad size is 0.30mm Oct 09 23:21:37 eh, I'm sure changing it by 10um won't be a problem Oct 09 23:22:30 I am already using the min. material values for the ball size to get that value Oct 09 23:22:39 the ISO recommendation is a 0.35mm pad Oct 09 23:22:45 I'm guessing you are getting mountainous HASL along with your 6/6? Oct 09 23:24:07 donno... Oct 09 23:24:19 you know of a 4/4, 4 layer place that will do it cheap? Oct 09 23:24:38 nope Oct 09 23:24:51 no place does 4/4, 4L cheap Oct 09 23:25:05 5/5, 4L is the closest I can find...6/6, 4L is all over Oct 09 23:25:11 if you are concerned with pad size, you might try making them 0.30 dia, but clipping the sides Oct 09 23:25:25 they are round already Oct 09 23:25:41 right, making the sides the traces are running past squared Oct 09 23:26:04 oooh Oct 09 23:26:25 know if that is better then just using a 0.29 pad? Oct 09 23:26:41 8 balls is the trouble area Oct 09 23:26:49 TMI Oct 09 23:28:26 the middle pads Oct 09 23:36:04 mranostay, then don't click on this! http://www.caltexsci.com/images/Hirox/BGA%20defect.jpg Oct 09 23:37:45 http://koti.mbnet.fi/jahonen/Electronics/Stuff/BGA_rework.jpg Oct 09 23:55:31 yes... found a VIA less solution Oct 10 00:05:27 russ ouch Oct 10 01:23:44 Russ, that is one MESSY board Oct 10 02:05:41 mranostay: "man dies after live roach eating contest?" Oct 10 02:09:12 yes :) Oct 10 02:09:30 alan_o: aren't you proud? :) Oct 10 02:19:35 So the AP story doesn't say how many he ate Oct 10 02:19:39 come on..... Oct 10 02:24:36 i think one is enough Oct 10 02:24:58 I think one is more than enough Oct 10 02:29:08 mru: who knows they could be tasty Oct 10 02:29:32 could be redneck escargot Oct 10 02:39:32 I was watching some food network thing one time about eating bugs in Asia. Can't remember which country. they took the wings and legs off and baked them, and ate them as an afternoon snack. It was a fairly colorful bowl of bugs. Oct 10 02:40:09 I've seen fried bugs served as a snack Oct 10 02:41:06 It's all about what you're raised with. The human brain is infinitely programmable with respect to that kind of stuff. Oct 10 02:41:19 as if it were a bowl of peanuts or so Oct 10 02:41:43 yeah, that's what these people did. All sat around this bowl and picked them out and ate them. Oct 10 02:41:48 crazy stuff Oct 10 02:42:29 unfortunately westerners aren't conditioned for eating stuff that just grows in our environment. Left out in the woods, most of us would die. Oct 10 02:42:42 But get left out closer to the equator, and you can eat bananas all year long. Oct 10 02:43:18 there are plenty of rabbits to eat here... Oct 10 02:46:00 but you have to kill and cook them Oct 10 02:46:04 and catch them Oct 10 02:46:28 * mranostay digs around his closet for his shotgun Oct 10 02:46:40 I've been over there for the rabbits in the spring. they're _everywhere_. It made "Easter Bunny" make sense. Oct 10 02:47:56 no eggs? Oct 10 02:48:13 would be like a chicken you can pet :P Oct 10 02:49:43 yeah, Cadbury commercials aside, I think it's safe to say Easter Eggs and Easter Bunny come from two different traditions. Oct 10 02:51:07 btw, those commercials really had me confused as a kid. A bunny clucking like a chicken, selling chocolate eggs. You know how when you're a kid and half the world doesn't make sense or seem to add up anyway? Like the play-on-word things that you don't realize are plays on words.... Oct 10 02:54:40 tradition has it the easter bunny _does_ lay eggs Oct 10 02:56:03 it's all some kind of mixup of ancient fertility rituals Oct 10 02:56:18 hmmm Oct 10 02:56:43 eggs have been a fertility symbol for obvious reasons Oct 10 02:57:11 and rabbits... well, we know what they do **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 10 02:59:58 2012