**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 17 03:00:01 2012 Oct 17 03:01:03 sadness Oct 17 03:01:43 i can however solve this Oct 17 03:01:52 today won't be a total loss :P Oct 17 03:01:59 GoTo Beer Store Oct 17 03:02:19 in this case a goto is called for. Oct 17 03:04:14 ctcp from Russ ? :) Oct 17 03:04:29 trying to figure out if it is too late to run out and get more beer! Oct 17 03:04:35 ctcp time! Oct 17 03:10:54 mranostay, I'm made a note in your permanent file about your lack of planning Oct 17 03:11:03 s/I'm/I've Oct 17 03:13:59 mranostay: that goes on your "permanent record" you know.... Oct 17 03:18:21 prpplague: do you mean tattooed on his forehead? Oct 17 03:19:56 denix: for starters Oct 17 03:27:26 denix: that is a bit much Oct 17 03:27:55 that will teach you! :) Oct 17 03:28:43 we should make mranostay purchase several rounds of beer at ELCE so that he will remember to purchase in advance next time Oct 17 03:28:44 well, that's as "permanent" as you... and you always have your file with you! :) Oct 17 03:29:02 prpplague: for the channel? Oct 17 03:29:19 well... at least for me.... Oct 17 03:29:37 hehe Oct 17 03:29:58 because this channel would drain my savings :) Oct 17 03:30:03 you drunks :) Oct 17 03:32:13 uh, i will drain your savings Oct 17 03:32:25 guilty as charged Oct 17 03:32:30 hehe Oct 17 03:37:44 so... Oct 17 03:38:58 i hackingly hacked arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-am335xevm.c to add bone_spidev1_info Oct 17 03:39:20 it's now showing up under /sys/class, but i'm still not getting a /dev node Oct 17 03:40:11 it's not pretty, but i'm pretty sure nothing is using the spi0 pins Oct 17 03:41:04 someone should go in there and add the safety checks that spi1 has Oct 17 03:44:11 OH Oct 17 03:44:13 i think i know Oct 17 03:48:30 nope, i don't Oct 17 04:02:42 howdy koen Oct 17 04:03:27 prpplague: that handheld scope looks pretty cool Oct 17 04:03:38 oh wow Oct 17 04:03:43 just the guy i wanted to talk to Oct 17 04:04:33 koen: i'm trying to get spidev working w/ spi0 Oct 17 04:04:45 i have an lcd7 Oct 17 04:05:05 koen: run! Oct 17 04:05:36 i added a couple of lines to the end of the cape initialization function in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-am335xevm.c Oct 17 04:06:45 and i added a bone_spidev1_info struct Oct 17 04:07:53 i'm getting a directory for /sys/class/spidev, but i'm not getting a devices in there, and i'm not getting a /dev node Oct 17 04:08:01 *a device Oct 17 04:10:23 what does dmesg show? Oct 17 04:10:36 i added one line for setup_pin_mux(spi0_pin_mux); and one for spi_register_board_info(bone_spidev1_info, ARRAY_SIZE(bone_spidev1_info)); Oct 17 04:10:37 uh Oct 17 04:10:57 [ 0.100097] omap2_mcspi.1: alias fck already exists [ 0.100219] omap2_mcspi.2: alias fck already exists Oct 17 04:11:09 those are the only two lines with spi in dmesg Oct 17 04:15:05 i added those two lines at the end of static void beaglebone_cape_setup(struct memory_accessor *mem_acc, void *context), before the last brace Oct 17 04:16:05 i opkg'd the spidev module Oct 17 04:16:29 it's in the lsmod list Oct 17 04:16:56 this *should* be working, right? Oct 17 04:17:37 heh Oct 17 04:19:54 b00m Oct 17 04:20:15 well.it built..but i want to know why the demo is 3.2.28 and the repo is 3.2.18 Oct 17 04:21:24 ka6sox: what repo? Oct 17 04:22:29 Building for Angstrom for the beaglebone builds 3.2.18 but the demo image uses 3.2.28 Oct 17 04:22:45 mine is 3.2.23 Oct 17 04:23:01 how are you building angstrom? Oct 17 04:23:08 from the instructions Oct 17 04:23:14 which instructions? Oct 17 04:23:19 url? Oct 17 04:24:03 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Oct 17 04:24:36 MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel Oct 17 04:25:09 * mranostay wonders what watchlist he is going to get one for ordering beryllium Oct 17 04:25:20 wear a mask Oct 17 04:26:10 JViz, why you ask? Oct 17 04:26:11 not in powder form. but yes i know it is really really bad stuff Oct 17 04:26:33 I work with it and its nasty stuff. Oct 17 04:26:43 ka6sox: i used the same instructions, and i'm on 3.2.23 Oct 17 04:26:54 WTH Oct 17 04:27:34 ka6sox: what you use it for? Oct 17 04:29:15 i think we're just getting spurious kernel names, but we're actually on the latest Oct 17 04:29:22 -rw-r--r-- 1 tking tking 3080544 Oct 16 20:23 uImage-3.2.18-r12c+gitr720e07b4c1f687b61b147b31c698cb6816d72f01-beaglebone-20121017031206.bin Oct 17 04:30:25 source says 3.2.18 Oct 17 04:30:31 WTH Oct 17 04:32:08 uImage-3.2.28-r16a+gitr720e07b4c1f687b61b147b31c698cb6816d72f01-beaglebone-20120822143922.bin << from my Repo Oct 17 04:32:16 s/Repo/Mirror Oct 17 04:32:51 where did you see it in the source, so i can check too Oct 17 04:32:51 ka6sox - update setup-scripts by running git pull --rebase && ./oebb.sh update Oct 17 04:35:19 did koen ever come back? Oct 17 04:36:19 man, i'm going to pass out Oct 17 04:36:21 W1N9Zr0, nope Oct 17 04:36:37 thinks its up to date Oct 17 04:37:18 JViz, that was his client bouncing Oct 17 04:37:25 bah Oct 17 04:37:35 still 6:37am on the continent Oct 17 04:37:49 which continent? Oct 17 04:37:55 .eu Oct 17 04:38:00 ah Oct 17 04:38:35 I have a clock that shows me times in 6 different TZ's as I direct a project with folks in all those different TZs Oct 17 04:38:44 s/direct/lead/ Oct 17 04:38:54 sweet Oct 17 04:38:59 tiring Oct 17 04:39:13 well, work generally is, right? Oct 17 04:39:20 this is FOSS Oct 17 04:39:22 not work Oct 17 04:39:25 lol Oct 17 04:39:37 (well sometimes it seems like work) Oct 17 04:43:33 sigh... Oct 17 04:44:45 do i have to set the mode in the spi_board_info? Oct 17 04:45:05 that shouldn't be show stopper Oct 17 05:11:54 ka6sox: using gpmc to interface the fpga? Oct 17 05:15:02 mranostay: checked out the fpga yesterday eve. board is good to go - just need to get the I2C & SPI buses going so I can talk to it. Oct 17 05:16:22 what are you using SPI for? Oct 17 05:17:10 mranostay: why do you hate SPI? Oct 17 05:17:20 SPI is for configuring the FPGA - overriding the bitstream that gets loaded from the flash at powerup. Oct 17 05:17:24 did i say i hated it? Oct 17 05:17:32 also for programming the flash mem. Oct 17 05:17:34 you ask everyone why they are using it Oct 17 05:17:35 ah makes sense Oct 17 05:17:52 heh fair question i think Oct 17 05:18:23 i2c is for controlling the configuration process - switching muxes, pulling the control lines, etc. Oct 17 05:18:23 JViz: for record i use SPI so i don't really 'hate' it Oct 17 05:19:04 makes sense Oct 17 05:19:19 and the infamous EEPROM Oct 17 05:19:22 mranostay, *sigh*, another mark for your permanent record, "does not play well with SPI" Oct 17 05:19:33 yep. gotta load that with something that makes sense. Oct 17 05:19:43 probably ought to reserve an ID somewhere... Oct 17 05:20:11 now that koen has a fancy bus in /sys for it. Oct 17 05:23:31 Russ: is that really needed? :) Oct 17 05:26:11 sent to the principal's office again. Oct 17 05:26:26 * emeb_mac got sent to the principal's office several times. Oct 17 05:26:46 heh Oct 17 05:27:25 once for humming on aluminum foil in the cafeteria. I was a menace. Oct 17 05:27:37 lame Oct 17 05:28:25 I got sent to detention once for making a mad libs basic program Oct 17 05:29:50 that's awesome. Oct 17 05:30:08 geez..didn't anyone get caught smoking pot or spray painting the school? Oct 17 05:30:08 very difficult to explain that yes I wrote the program, but no I did not put those words there Oct 17 05:30:48 "it was the computer's fault" Oct 17 05:31:33 that also works when your porn stash was found... :) Oct 17 05:32:09 doesn't work when your porn stash is hardcopy. Oct 17 05:32:24 but that's old school. Oct 17 05:33:32 heh Oct 17 05:46:55 eeeeeek Be Oct 17 05:47:25 that directed at me? Oct 17 05:47:57 you did order Be, right? Oct 17 05:48:11 yes Oct 17 05:48:34 what is that for? Oct 17 05:54:23 BeOS? Oct 17 05:54:32 BeBox? Oct 17 06:02:28 Beryllium Oct 17 06:04:19 light stuff Oct 17 06:05:15 poisonous stuff Oct 17 06:05:49 BeO is highly toxic Oct 17 06:07:11 it is highly thermally conductive Oct 17 06:08:01 I've seen BeCu springs & gaskets. Oct 17 06:08:11 about as close as I've come though. Oct 17 06:11:29 Tube Sockets have htem Oct 17 06:14:08 and some transistor heatsinks Oct 17 06:36:25 * ka6sox gives up on trying to make the demo build and the Angstrom build match... Oct 17 06:37:06 ka6sox: you need to apply the patches sent to the meta-ti list a while ago Oct 17 06:37:23 ka6sox: not all of them are in yet and a lot of them haven't made it to the denzil branch Oct 17 06:38:07 right now I'm trying to see if I really care about the diff between .18 and .28 Oct 17 06:38:39 the latest beagle kernels can be found at https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/ Oct 17 06:38:46 the recipes are generated from that Oct 17 06:41:27 okay this is what I was looking for. thanks! Oct 17 06:41:55 * emeb_mac waits breathlessly Oct 17 06:45:55 3.2.28 is so August 21st.... Oct 17 10:54:14 Hi Oct 17 10:54:18 I have a problem Oct 17 10:54:37 can anyone help? Oct 17 10:57:17 http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Oct 17 10:57:23 +1 Oct 17 11:00:18 ohhh thanks Oct 17 11:00:26 you are a genius Oct 17 11:47:41 good morning Oct 17 12:16:03 so Oct 17 12:17:01 it lloks like i got spidev working, but now no lcd Oct 17 12:19:09 koen: does the lcd7 use the pins for both SPIs? Oct 17 12:23:36 JViz, what does the schematic say? Oct 17 12:27:24 well, it looked to me like spi0 was still free Oct 17 12:27:24 bradfa, it's a document...it doesn't "say" anything Oct 17 12:27:36 bradfa, ok, unless his pdf reader has voice mode ;) Oct 17 12:28:44 what if i have an ubi reading me the pdf? :P Oct 17 12:29:30 i may have made a mistake though, in thinking that spi0 was still available Oct 17 12:30:30 it seems like enabling spi0 stopped the lcd from working Oct 17 12:30:50 JViz, which mux for spi0? Oct 17 12:31:22 there are multiple muxes for spi0? Oct 17 12:31:35 JViz, no :) Oct 17 12:31:48 JViz, these might help -> https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables Oct 17 12:31:51 easier to read than the srm Oct 17 12:31:54 and more right Oct 17 12:32:56 bradfa, thought you might like to know, I'm using them right now myself ;) Oct 17 12:33:17 oh yes, i immediately spot the error now Oct 17 12:33:20 great Oct 17 12:33:29 bradfa, just so you don't think I was casting stones at something I didn't plan to use... :P Oct 17 12:33:46 mdp, what? Your talking pdf reader helps me every day! :) Oct 17 12:34:07 bradfa, I'm trying to imagine pdf voice reading mode on a schematic Oct 17 12:34:29 mdp, what voice would it use? Oct 17 12:34:43 picard Oct 17 12:35:41 mdp, my brain has a hard time with that simulation... Oct 17 12:35:49 * bradfa needs more coffee Oct 17 12:35:59 but glad you enjoy the pin mux tables Oct 17 12:36:02 :) Oct 17 12:36:30 Wow, it does use both SPIs Oct 17 12:36:33 that's shitty Oct 17 12:36:38 I was hacking on a throwaway test driver this morning and needed to locate a useful pin on gpio2 Oct 17 12:37:21 bradfa, funny thing, to actually then go set up DT pinctrl entries, I still have to return to the TRM to get the offset for the dts Oct 17 12:37:34 which now has me thinking.... Oct 17 12:38:33 nah, I'm going to assume we'll all be using a dtc with cpp support RSN Oct 17 12:39:43 JViz: the CCO complaint dept is on channel...get 'em Oct 17 12:40:08 bradfa, the tables still do not debug my driver for me...that's a bit disappointing Oct 17 12:41:08 mdp, if you point me towards learning of device tree, I can add that info to my tables Oct 17 12:41:27 bradfa, ok, let's hold this thought for the moment Oct 17 12:41:28 I'll have to learn it pretty soon, I hope to leave the evil kernel tree in the not-too distant future Oct 17 12:41:35 *evil* Oct 17 12:42:16 we call beaglebone-3.6/3.7 *evil* trees now too...koen likes it that way Oct 17 12:43:05 yes Oct 17 12:43:05 bradfa, we can circle back when you get to messing with 3.6+ Oct 17 12:43:14 it's a vendor tree now, so it's inherently evil Oct 17 12:43:33 mdp, k, sounds good Oct 17 12:43:35 basically, I could see having a column with the pinmux offsets that you have to use in th dts Oct 17 12:43:50 save people some trouble Oct 17 12:43:59 why would they cover up both SPIs with the LCD7? Oct 17 12:44:12 it's another non-intuitive thing with the pinctrl single binding for most people Oct 17 12:44:22 Does anyone have experience capturing full resolution from an mt9p031 (LI 5Mpix module) from the CCDC output? I can capture through the ISP previewer/resizer with no problem. Using patched yavta with 3.6 beagleboard git kernel. Oct 17 12:44:27 bradfa: you can see the offsets here: http://pastebin.com/xLA1FugB Oct 17 12:44:29 mdp, first up for me though is making my u-boot serial patches in before close of merge window, but even before that is demoing my web services in C on the bone :) Oct 17 12:44:36 bradfa: that;s how pinctrl looks in DT land Oct 17 12:45:01 koen, awesome! thanks Oct 17 12:45:16 JViz, cause if the users are happy, who's going to complain? Oct 17 12:45:17 :) Oct 17 12:45:24 bradfa, so the first value in those pairs is the offset from the base of the CM pinmux registers (magic values!) Oct 17 12:45:35 and the second is more intuitive Oct 17 12:45:37 who's users? and why wouldn't they complain? Oct 17 12:46:08 bradfa, ahh, yes...I think I offered to test something there? Oct 17 12:46:09 JViz, any users, and well, no reason to give them excuses for not complaining :) Oct 17 12:46:21 mdp, yes, for am335x_evm, since I don't have one Oct 17 12:46:23 for uart3 Oct 17 12:46:28 that's right Oct 17 12:46:35 hope to send v2 patches later this week Oct 17 12:46:40 after demo that hopefully happens today Oct 17 12:46:53 conveniently, I have that up and running now...hadn't needed it so it was collecting dust Oct 17 12:46:55 marek may have done half my work for me Oct 17 12:47:00 so not an issue now Oct 17 12:47:04 which could be really nice Oct 17 12:47:19 mdp, I'll ping you when patches get sent Oct 17 12:47:32 * bradfa goes to actually get more coffee, afk Oct 17 12:47:52 bradfa, ok, thx, I mostly skim the u-boot list and miss a lot Oct 17 12:48:14 I rely on Tartarus to scream at me when I need to pay attention to something ;) Oct 17 12:48:15 oh man, this is really aweful, what should i do? Oct 17 12:48:22 *awful Oct 17 12:48:29 RMA Oct 17 12:48:46 i would feel bad about RMA'ing it Oct 17 12:49:20 I don't mind returning products that don't meet my expectations...but to each his own Oct 17 12:50:00 well Oct 17 12:50:06 it's not that Oct 17 12:50:20 i feel like the beagle is a project i want to support Oct 17 12:50:51 i feel like rma'ing it would be detrimental to the success of the project Oct 17 12:51:43 i kind of hate raspberry pi, it's gained way more attention than it should Oct 17 12:53:18 JViz, why not just rework the lcd board? Oct 17 12:53:31 cut some traces Oct 17 12:53:43 that's what i'm thinking Oct 17 12:54:01 spi1 is "disabled because of button conflicts"? Oct 17 12:54:47 and LCD_AVDD_EN possibly Oct 17 12:54:53 er, spi0 that is Oct 17 12:55:01 gahh, coffee! Oct 17 12:55:17 yeah, spi0 conflicts with something important Oct 17 12:55:46 Is anyone familiar with the bb 3.6.1 camera/ISP stuff, especially the mt9p031 driver, and could maybe help with an issue (preview chain working fine but can't capture from CCDC output)? Oct 17 12:56:59 gm all! Oct 17 12:57:26 jkridner: it's not morning and not good either Oct 17 12:57:38 koen, happy Wednesday! Oct 17 12:57:39 oh? Oct 17 12:57:51 good morning, jkridner Oct 17 12:58:06 it still feels like an extended monday Oct 17 12:58:33 koen, sleep and beer both fix that Oct 17 12:58:34 Anything within my realm of helping abilities? Oct 17 12:59:11 I bottled my first beer last week... Oct 17 12:59:20 pretty good if I say so myself. :-) Oct 17 12:59:38 I can send you one koen, but it seems like you need one sooner. Oct 17 13:00:51 koen: do you remember which buttons your spidev disable patch was for? Oct 17 13:01:33 for the LCD7 Oct 17 13:05:34 JViz: check the mux Oct 17 13:06:24 i am Oct 17 13:09:50 jkridner, what kind did you make? Oct 17 13:10:39 why are buttons usually pulled high in most designs? Oct 17 13:11:54 It is a clone of Mercador Dopplebock http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/full-sail-mercator-doppelbock/567/ Oct 17 13:11:54 * mdp discovers the gpio debounce api...nice Oct 17 13:12:13 ABV turned out right around 8%. :) Oct 17 13:12:36 jkridner, very nice...haven't had that one...but I do like celebrator..good style Oct 17 13:12:49 when did debouncing with a resistor and a cap go out of fashion? Oct 17 13:13:08 mru, it's gots to be integrated Oct 17 13:13:12 gots to be! Oct 17 13:13:25 hopped 3 times. fermenting since June or so. Oct 17 13:14:38 http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/ayinger-celebrator-doppelbock/1090/ has a nice rating. Oct 17 13:14:48 jkridner: bring a bottle to ELCE and we can organize a #beagle beer-tasting. everyone gets a sip. Oct 17 13:14:49 hrm, anybody here worked with gpio dma events on am335x? ;) Oct 17 13:15:09 I'm not making it to ELC-E. :'( Oct 17 13:15:17 I have personal commitments. Oct 17 13:15:25 ie. my boss would kill me. Oct 17 13:15:29 jkridner, you get to keep the little plastic horsey on the bottle Oct 17 13:15:43 jkridner: the boss at home? Oct 17 13:16:21 mru: she's left for the day, but yes. ;-) Oct 17 13:16:48 your wife or your cat? Oct 17 13:17:28 oh, how you guys love me. Oct 17 13:17:49 cats have an automatic feeder. they only miss me for my body heat. Oct 17 13:18:11 shall we sing something? Oct 17 13:18:20 all join hands Oct 17 13:19:00 anyone going to the #gsoc mentor summit? Oct 17 13:19:06 what to sing then? give "peace a chance"? or more like "road to nowhere"? Oct 17 13:21:15 what, no "high hopes"? Oct 17 13:21:20 maybe In Munchen steht ein Hofbrauhaus? Oct 17 13:21:28 I like that one Oct 17 13:21:40 highway to hell? Oct 17 13:22:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGBM5vWiBLo Oct 17 13:23:25 "hellraiser" Oct 17 13:33:11 jkridner: you should have something to play with after the mail I sent you Oct 17 13:33:24 I saw a code image. Oct 17 13:34:12 I was still trying to build clean so I could try to create images with some fundamental changes, like trying out g_multi again. Oct 17 13:34:50 of course, I still have a *lot* of work to do on the task list today. Oct 17 13:35:10 koen: so, you want me to try the new image? Oct 17 13:35:31 yes Oct 17 13:35:32 * jkridner starts download. Oct 17 13:35:50 I tested basic functionality, but it could use a bigger shakedown Oct 17 13:35:51 no chance you picked up the new README, is there? Oct 17 13:36:06 I have no idea what you are talking about Oct 17 13:36:12 if you haven't sent me patches, no Oct 17 13:36:13 k. I did a readme update. Oct 17 13:36:16 k. Oct 17 13:36:55 * jkridner is stuck on simply being able to build -- thus no patches. :-( Oct 17 13:54:50 if i try to cut this trace on the second layer, what are the odds that i short the power plane? Oct 17 13:55:21 oh, wait Oct 17 13:55:25 might not have to do that Oct 17 18:08:14 anybody find a solution for https://gist.github.com/3624889 Oct 17 18:10:17 jkridner: try -u knotty2 for the next pastebin Oct 17 18:21:03 XorA, http://cheezburger.com/6610649600 Oct 17 18:21:32 Crofton: hehe Oct 17 18:21:41 I would never let a cat near my lego though! Oct 17 18:23:31 ouch Oct 17 18:23:40 a bed of legos seems painful Oct 17 18:28:59 cats can make themselves comfortable on the most unlikely surfaces. Oct 17 18:29:39 or lack of surfaces Oct 17 18:34:08 the fur might help a bit Oct 17 18:36:55 yeah i woke up to the furball sleeping on my chest with eyes wide open Oct 17 18:37:07 i think it is trying to kill me :) Oct 17 18:37:29 probally trying to do the before you kill it with your geiger experiments ;) Oct 17 18:49:23 probably trying to determine which part of you to eat first :P Oct 17 18:57:29 its planning on smothering you in your sleep Oct 17 19:00:32 mranostay: first it determines how heavy a sleeper you are Oct 17 19:00:43 then it plans its best approach without disturbing you Oct 17 19:12:28 koen: I don't see any more useful information with -u knotty: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285569/ Oct 17 20:18:35 Hello, Does anyone have an idea as to why the power might not come on on my Beaglebone? Oct 17 20:18:58 It just died suddenly today.... I have no idea what happened Oct 17 20:30:38 sometimes windows disables usb port Oct 17 20:36:15 keesj, this would be on max osx methinks Oct 17 20:36:30 PyroAVR, how are you powering it? Oct 17 20:39:45 or usb port might be damaged. I see lots of damaged connectors here in the computer repair facility. Oct 17 20:40:18 Using a wall adapter Oct 17 20:40:35 get out the VOM Oct 17 20:40:41 or DVM Oct 17 20:40:45 five volts, two amps, DC Oct 17 20:41:29 PyroAVR: if the walwart was actually putting out much more voltage then it could have damaged the BeagleBone Oct 17 20:41:43 not all put out what they are labeled Oct 17 20:42:26 I bought the wall wart from Adafruit (www.adafruit.com) and they guarantee the power output. Oct 17 20:43:02 * djlewis has more faith in a good DVM to verify such things. Oct 17 20:43:16 They seem like reliable people, I have bought a lot of electronics from them, so far all of which have been excellent quality. Oct 17 20:44:02 What is a DVM? please enlighten me, I have no idea what that is. Oct 17 20:44:56 I am not knocking them, just suggesting you test it. Oct 17 20:45:11 No, but what is it? Oct 17 20:45:14 digital volt meter Oct 17 20:45:19 Oh, ok. Oct 17 20:45:25 VOM volts ohms meter Oct 17 20:45:48 I have tested it, in that case. Sorry, I've just never heard that abbreviation before. Oct 17 20:46:06 5 volts, 2 amps was the highest I read with it. Oct 17 20:48:31 When it died, I had a Servo's data wire connected. That was all, and I noticed that the bone had no signs of life on it anymore..... Oct 17 20:52:03 maybee the data wire was the problem? Oct 17 20:52:55 Probably, but why? the servo had no power. Oct 17 21:05:11 I don't see how that could have killed it... Oct 17 21:06:40 djlewis: varies on alcohol intake :P Oct 17 21:11:12 mranostay: no man, the caat is out to get ya.. beware ;) Oct 17 21:24:33 Does the BeagleBone have a Power fuse? I can't find anything about that in the SRM... Oct 17 21:25:03 PyroAVR, did you unplug all the cables and then plug power back in? Oct 17 21:25:07 (eg, usb) Oct 17 21:25:11 Yes I did. Oct 17 21:25:37 I have tried different outlets, different adapters, and also tried using USB power. Oct 17 21:25:42 hrmph Oct 17 21:25:56 PyroAVR: no lights? Oct 17 21:25:58 PyroAVR: any leds at all on the board lighting? Oct 17 21:26:07 SD card inserted? Oct 17 21:26:10 back emf from the servo? Oct 17 21:26:14 mranostay: great minds but yours will be eaten by a cat Oct 17 21:26:15 That's what I said when it died.... humph... Oct 17 21:26:47 Not at all. The power indicator blinks when I first plug in the Adapter, but then it goes out, and nothing. Oct 17 21:26:58 thats something Oct 17 21:27:05 Yes, but even if it wasn't, the power indicator should come on, right? Oct 17 21:27:28 and it does the same with no microsd? Oct 17 21:27:33 "emf"? what is that? Oct 17 21:27:36 it tells me your dc jack is most likely working :) Oct 17 21:27:38 Correct, no difference Oct 17 21:28:04 when you turn of a motor, the latent spin produces a reverse current Oct 17 21:28:36 Even servos? I only had the pulse ( data ) wire connected, no power. Oct 17 21:29:01 oh, then no back emf Oct 17 21:29:18 Okay, that's encouraging.... Oct 17 21:29:28 does the tps chip get really hot when it's plugged in? Oct 17 21:29:39 No. It does nothing. Oct 17 21:30:24 I did check that, it was warm when I unplugged it, but the fps chip was not. only the sides of the board, which is from normal operation. ( It had been running for an hour ) Oct 17 21:30:33 tps* Oct 17 21:31:12 does C1 have voltage across it? Oct 17 21:31:24 I will check. Give me a few minutes. Oct 17 21:32:41 hmm, p6 on page 1 of bone srm looks melted. Oct 17 21:33:18 there is a pic? Oct 17 21:36:00 Where is it located? I found C3, but I see no C1..... Oct 17 21:36:07 I have Bone SRM_A3_1_0.doc Oct 17 21:36:18 yes, 1st page is a picture Oct 17 21:36:43 C1 is on the back Oct 17 21:36:54 on the other side of C7 from C3 Oct 17 21:37:09 might look like a grain of sand ;) Oct 17 21:37:25 no, its an 0603 Oct 17 21:37:31 good :) Oct 17 21:37:36 it's what I'd consider large Oct 17 21:37:51 I found it, sorry about that. It did look like a grain of sand! I measured the voltage, and it is 5 volts. Oct 17 21:37:58 There is power. Oct 17 21:38:15 so its TPS or downstream Oct 17 21:38:26 What is the downstream? Oct 17 21:38:30 I'm guessing one of the things its trying to supply is shorted Oct 17 21:38:32 Oh wait, never mind. Oct 17 21:39:17 I would imagine, I've had this happen before on micro controllers, and that is usually the problem, but here I can't seem to find what it is that is shorted. Oct 17 21:39:18 djlewis, heh, it is nicely melted Oct 17 21:39:31 PyroAVR, one of the IC's? Oct 17 21:39:54 Hmmmmm Oct 17 21:40:01 what exactly did you do to the poor beagle? Oct 17 21:40:23 Likely, but I don't know which one. Oct 17 21:40:46 I hooked up the Servo data wire from a small flight servo, and it died. Oct 17 21:41:13 I had nothing else happening, other than an SSH connection to the board over ethernet. Oct 17 21:41:43 did you only hook up one wire? Oct 17 21:42:11 Correct. Oct 17 21:42:29 so the voltage potential between the two systems could have been large Oct 17 21:42:32 (no ground) Oct 17 21:42:36 I had the power wire hooked up to the bone, but the jumper wasn't in the servo. Oct 17 21:42:57 What two systems? Oct 17 21:43:23 was the servo plugged into anything else?L Oct 17 21:43:33 No, it was not. Oct 17 21:44:07 djlewis, did leroy melt that? Oct 17 21:44:45 PyroAVR, so what was powering the servo? Oct 17 21:45:45 Nothing. That's why I'm confused. I only had the data hooked up, but when I looked over from the wiring setup, there was no light, and my SSH terminal said there was no connection. Oct 17 21:45:55 Russ: might be a picture of the PyroAVR board ;) Oct 17 21:46:15 just odd to have the data hooked up but no ground Oct 17 21:46:39 a heavty jolt of ESD Oct 17 21:46:44 Yes, I know, but I usually start off with data connections. Oct 17 21:47:03 future reference, when connecting things together, start with ground :) Oct 17 21:47:27 the board is on standoffs, on top of a plastic plate on a wood table. No static. Oct 17 21:47:32 Ok, I can do that. Oct 17 21:47:55 just so you know, plastic plate with no grounding == static Oct 17 21:48:25 What would make the circuit? My standoffs are grounded.... Oct 17 21:48:41 grounded to what? Oct 17 21:49:13 Grounded to the wall wart. ( so says the board.....) Oct 17 21:49:33 The standoffs are metal with plastic covering, no conduction.... Oct 17 21:50:13 ya, that isn't what prevents esd Oct 17 21:50:27 conduction, draining stuff off, that is what prevents esd Oct 17 21:50:40 I'm very sure regardless that ESD is not the problem. Oct 17 21:50:45 what kind of plastic is it? Oct 17 21:51:04 I'm not sure. Enamel, I think. Oct 17 21:51:44 The board is grounded through the wall wart. The standoffs are connected to that ground. Oct 17 21:52:14 right, which provides an excellent path for any esd discharge striking the board to take Oct 17 21:52:45 Checked The connections just now, they are grounded. Oct 17 21:52:54 probably a switching supply and secondary minus is not likely connected to building ground. Oct 17 21:53:42 like I said, that isn't how esd works anyway Oct 17 21:54:34 besides, is that a DC ground? Oct 17 21:54:48 Checked Standoffs to building ground, also connected. Oct 17 21:54:50 Yes. Oct 17 21:54:53 if only one thing is grounded, it doesn't do anything to prevent esd Oct 17 21:55:03 DC grounds don't mean much for ESD Oct 17 21:55:10 if you have a doorknob, do you think grounding it will stop esd? Oct 17 21:55:19 Explain DC ground. I'm not sure what you mean. Oct 17 21:55:21 it's you that has the charge Oct 17 21:55:26 impedence Oct 17 21:55:37 real vs imaginary Oct 17 21:56:04 got a shovel and a buss ticket? Oct 17 21:56:12 bus Oct 17 21:56:15 No, why? Oct 17 21:56:30 rma? Oct 17 21:56:34 weak joke regarding DC ground Oct 17 21:56:50 Ok, I was pretty sure of that much. Oct 17 21:56:51 Hi, anyone use cross-compile dsp on beagleboard xm? Oct 17 21:57:03 watch what happens when he puts plastic under the meter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imdtXcnywb8&t=7m Oct 17 21:57:36 Who compile program for dsp of bb? Oct 17 21:57:50 Russ: yeah? Oct 17 21:57:53 Russ: what about it Oct 17 21:58:01 it was meant for PyroAVR Oct 17 21:58:15 Russ: those voltages are not really useful Oct 17 21:58:21 in soviet russia dsp compiles you Oct 17 21:58:33 I understand ESD. ESD is doubtfully the problem. Oct 17 21:59:13 It had been running for a week in the same place, taking the same use and the same setup, (Minus Servo) and there was no problem. Oct 17 21:59:31 It was just today that the problem has come up. Oct 17 21:59:41 what header and pin socket was your data wire inserted? Oct 17 21:59:52 P8_3 Oct 17 21:59:55 Pin 38 Oct 17 22:01:38 that would not likely kill power. Oct 17 22:02:03 unless it was a big ol jolt of ESD Oct 17 22:02:45 Exactly the problem. Not ESD, not Servo, what reason could there be for short. If it were truly a big jolt of static, then I would have heard it, seen it, felt it, something, Oct 17 22:02:55 It would have been known. Oct 17 22:03:09 get on the google list and mention your product, what you did and what has happened. Oct 17 22:03:15 My hand was an inch from the board when it died. Oct 17 22:03:21 esd damage is cumulative Oct 17 22:03:32 heard or feel it? uh... Oct 17 22:03:35 I understand that. Oct 17 22:03:42 you don't work with sensitive stuff much huh? Oct 17 22:03:45 that will start a dialog with Gerald. Oct 17 22:03:47 cats in the room... Oct 17 22:03:59 Ok, it depends on what you mean. Oct 17 22:04:04 we've had esd kill our audio codec (not the same one as the beagle spec) Oct 17 22:04:13 I have a cat, but not in that room, or near my bone. Oct 17 22:04:14 mranostay's deadly cat got it? Oct 17 22:04:25 I think you can start feeling esd at 2kV or so Oct 17 22:04:25 I do, actually. Oct 17 22:04:26 most ESD damage happen w/o you feeling it. got to put it on a electron microscope to see it Oct 17 22:04:38 That kind of low? Oct 17 22:05:00 to see the physical damage after the fact Oct 17 22:05:08 Wow, nevermind. So you really don't mean big, do you. you want a jolt of ESD not a big one. Oct 17 22:05:31 with this technology it dont take much Oct 17 22:05:33 I assumed you meant something easily detectable. Oct 17 22:05:37 I can tell. Oct 17 22:05:42 this is a 3.3V tolerant IO device Oct 17 22:06:12 things above that will not be good Oct 17 22:06:14 is esd protection built in? Oct 17 22:06:17 But, I am still sure that wasn't it. I know it's 3.3, but I have used the same servo before, without problems. Oct 17 22:06:22 it should be on most IOs Oct 17 22:06:25 It's not the problem. Oct 17 22:06:26 but only to a certain level Oct 17 22:06:31 did you clamp the IO's to ground and VCC? Oct 17 22:06:45 i.e. with a schottky to the rails Oct 17 22:06:51 PyroAVR: check all the test points Oct 17 22:06:59 PyroAVR: and check if it's the supply part of it Oct 17 22:07:02 or something else Oct 17 22:07:36 ds2: now you are taking the fun out of general user experimentation Oct 17 22:07:45 :) Oct 17 22:08:14 there is a non trivial part of the industry that specializes in protection devices Oct 17 22:08:24 and besides, how long is your cable? Oct 17 22:08:25 maybe completely disconnect the bone and let it sit overnight in a antistatic bag. Oct 17 22:08:36 djlewis, with dry rice :) Oct 17 22:08:43 I'll do another barrage of tests, and be back later. Oct 17 22:08:49 it can be inductive enough that switching it will do bad things Oct 17 22:08:51 Not water shorting either. Oct 17 22:08:54 it might just be time to send it to gerald Oct 17 22:08:57 3 ft. Oct 17 22:09:01 antenna Oct 17 22:09:23 3ft is long. I'd definitely clamp it and watch for switching spikes Oct 17 22:09:34 about 156Mhz Oct 17 22:10:06 might have been zapped by a public service radio transmission Oct 17 22:10:19 A NCP349 over Oct 17 22:10:19 voltage device is used to prevent the plugging in of 7 to 12 V power supplies by mistake. Oct 17 22:10:22 The NCP349 will shut down and the board will not power on Oct 17 22:10:31 so overvoltage is not a problem, it will not kill it Oct 17 22:10:44 jacekowski, c1 indicates that 5v is going past the ncp349 still Oct 17 22:11:16 i'm just saying that you can't kill it with wrong power supply Oct 17 22:11:23 and hmmm Oct 17 22:11:25 he's gone Oct 17 22:11:29 so long as it isn't over 28v Oct 17 22:12:49 well guys, its been a long time since I have seen such a team effort to solve a user problem, I'm think i'm gonna cry ... Oct 17 22:14:58 Oh joy, severe weather coming tonight . .. Oct 17 22:16:38 Fire weather here.... Oct 17 22:19:35 ka6sox: ugh, worse that storms. Oct 17 22:19:41 than Oct 17 22:23:59 we have 1 blazing on the ridgetop here...but tonight, if we get a sundowner it could be in town in <1hr Oct 17 22:34:00 ka6sox: az? Oct 17 22:36:52 djlewis, SBA Oct 17 22:42:47 ka6sox: ok, looked u up on qrz. Panted cave area, huh acording to the news Oct 17 22:45:56 djlewis: we can't troll all the time Oct 17 22:46:24 djlewis, yup... Oct 17 22:46:26 thats me Oct 17 22:46:30 I'm an open book. Oct 17 22:48:52 what kind of book? Oct 17 22:50:05 good question Oct 17 22:53:49 the manual mentions 1.8v only for the analog pins, is 3.3v ok for the digital pins? Oct 17 22:54:49 hiredman: yeah Oct 17 22:55:05 all io is 3.3v on the bone besides the analog in Oct 17 22:55:09 excellent Oct 17 22:55:13 thank you Oct 17 22:55:18 don't pump 5v on it Oct 17 22:55:28 Oh, I already know that the hard way Oct 17 23:15:57 since anonymous users can' t edit this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtD7XdBlve3HdDZqUk0xQ1dpV2NiNm43d0pNWmVGdmc&hl=en_US#gid=0 Oct 17 23:16:03 how does one register a cape? Oct 17 23:19:00 ah, the google app Oct 17 23:19:02 :D Oct 17 23:21:35 ka6sox: send fingerprints and $500 to koen? :) Oct 17 23:22:46 can I send my firstborn instead? Oct 17 23:25:23 OK - web page for the Blank Canvas Cape is up: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc/index.html Oct 17 23:25:34 and it's added to the registry. Oct 17 23:26:15 ka6sox and I are hacking on this - things are moving along nicely. Hardware is in-hand, FPGA is checked out. Oct 17 23:26:37 working on getting the interfaces supported in the kernel now. Oct 17 23:40:22 http://i.imgur.com/IrrWg.png Oct 17 23:45:26 ans pls Oct 17 23:45:36 send me the codes Oct 17 23:47:52 1-2-3-4-5 Oct 17 23:48:31 Crofton: what is cell phone? Oct 17 23:50:43 that's ur engine cylinder order? Oct 18 00:07:40 hi Oct 18 00:28:18 * mranostay bows before prpplague Oct 18 00:29:11 mranostay: greetings Oct 18 00:29:28 * prpplague prepares to solder up his first dekatron simulator Oct 18 00:30:48 prpplague: simulator? Oct 18 00:31:02 not used a real tube? Oct 18 00:31:05 *using Oct 18 00:31:25 mranostay: tested with real dekatrons, but i am building everything using 7400 series Oct 18 00:31:34 mranostay: function for function the same Oct 18 00:37:08 real 7400s? Oct 18 00:37:18 not 74LS's Oct 18 00:37:42 ds2: hehe 74HC's Oct 18 00:37:47 oh cheater Oct 18 00:38:08 ds2: i started to do it with 5400 series Oct 18 00:38:37 trying to avoid building beefy 5V supplies? Oct 18 00:38:45 yea Oct 18 01:01:54 heh... digikey seems to be dead Oct 18 01:02:31 ds2: they've klined you Oct 18 01:06:52 i guess so Oct 18 01:27:54 * mranostay hates 6p meetings Oct 18 01:28:18 mranostay: u have a short commute I take it? Oct 18 01:28:42 ds2: no Oct 18 01:30:51 my commute is short... Oct 18 01:31:02 and the data centre is close too Oct 18 01:32:27 mranostay: then isn't 6p mtgs good? Oct 18 01:33:36 mru: well good for you Oct 18 01:34:00 that "data centre" is actually in a corner of the bedroom Oct 18 01:34:12 and most of those machines are not even plugged in Oct 18 01:35:08 mru: aren't you a contractor? Oct 18 01:35:12 Is there a (relatively) easy way to get /dev/i2c-2 enabled without a kernel recompile? Oct 18 01:35:26 mranostay: I'm employed by arm Oct 18 01:36:16 mru is ARMed and dangerous Oct 18 01:36:43 quit doing crap in userland Oct 18 01:37:21 I code entirely in wonderland Oct 18 01:38:05 how's alice and the large bunnies? Oct 18 01:39:34 the big buck bunny? Oct 18 01:40:27 yes and hte mushrooms Oct 18 01:40:40 If I can figure out how to get to the i2c from the kernel module, I'll throw it in. That's totally ideal anyways. Oct 18 01:40:43 oi, I need to finish my data center Oct 18 01:42:06 one of those machine is a quad-core running vmware esxi, that makes it a proper data centre, right? Oct 18 01:42:12 there are plenty of examples in the kernel Oct 18 01:42:19 prehaps you should look at it? Oct 18 01:43:07 That's what I'm currently doing :) Oct 18 01:43:57 then... Oct 18 01:44:45 Just wanted to be lazy. Oct 18 01:46:02 mru, does a T-bird count? Oct 18 01:46:31 or is it a duron... Oct 18 01:46:48 mru: wonderland? Oct 18 01:49:28 where the mad hatter lives Oct 18 01:49:44 i could use a shot of mercury right now Oct 18 01:50:19 In case anyone is reading the logs: I2C from kernel module tutorial: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/i2c/writing-clients Oct 18 01:50:29 nothing makes me drowsy like mercury vapors Oct 18 01:50:49 I'd be worried if I knew that Oct 18 01:51:24 (I'm familiar with Dreamy Draw) Oct 18 01:52:14 a mine so named because everyone who worked there was so dreamy Oct 18 01:53:18 5 Oct 18 01:53:23 4 Oct 18 01:57:17 Russ: you from AZ? Oct 18 01:57:24 ya, I'm in CA now Oct 18 01:57:51 heh. Didn't think anyone who hadn't been to PHX would know about Dreamy Draw. Oct 18 01:58:49 * mranostay googles Oct 18 02:01:03 A mine, part of a park, a highway pass through the mountains that separate North & Central Phx. Oct 18 02:09:23 mercury mines Oct 18 02:45:44 mranostay: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/NGXLoT3n3We Oct 18 02:46:41 hey guys, have a quick peripheral question about the beaglebone, just want to sanity check Oct 18 02:47:05 best-case: live stream 1080p video from a USB webcam (logitech C920 maybe) Oct 18 02:47:19 usable-case: snip a picture every few minutes and stream over ethernet Oct 18 02:47:36 I bet you could stream live video. Oct 18 02:47:38 fairly confident that the bone can handle the "usable-case", any thoughts on the best-case for streaming 1080p/24 1080p/30? Oct 18 02:47:38 But not 1080p Oct 18 02:47:44 hmm, ok Oct 18 02:48:02 I think the C920 can deliver a stream already compressed as h.264 which hopefully lessens the CPU workload Oct 18 02:48:44 I'm not entirely sure the systems bus speed could handle the data throughput Oct 18 02:49:00 then again I haven't done extensive testing on the subject. Oct 18 02:59:21 koen: hey leroy **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 18 03:00:01 2012