**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 03:00:00 2012
Oct 22 03:55:02 <prpplague> koen: greetings earthling
Oct 22 03:55:30 <prpplague> mru: you know a kernel developer named Andrew Dodd?
Oct 22 04:13:33 <ds2> ;2A
Oct 22 04:20:08 <emeb_mac> 2 amps of what?
Oct 22 04:28:14 <ds2> spark gaps
Oct 22 04:37:30 <emeb_mac> building a HV display for halloween?
Oct 22 04:45:25 <mranostay> back
Oct 22 04:45:31 <mranostay> i mean dfasfasdf
Oct 22 04:47:10 <mranostay> hi dfasdfd ds2
Oct 22 05:00:37 <emeb_mac> for variety, try getting off the home row.
Oct 22 05:01:05 <mranostay> emeb_mac: ewrqwrqwer
Oct 22 05:01:20 <mranostay> better?
Oct 22 05:01:40 <thurbad> qwerty?
Oct 22 05:02:28 <mranostay> yes that is my keyboard
Oct 22 05:09:40 <emeb_mac> I'm thinking diagonals next.
Oct 22 05:38:01 <mranostay> emeb_mac: connect 4?
Oct 22 05:38:21 <emeb_mac> 4rfv - why not?
Oct 22 05:51:17 <_av500_> yo
Oct 22 05:52:17 <mranostay> noooooo!
Oct 22 05:52:48 <emeb_mac> yo heave-ho
Oct 22 05:53:05 <mranostay> _av500_: how was the week in the boonies?
Oct 22 05:53:44 <_av500_> relaxing
Oct 22 05:54:01 <_av500_> kids got up at 6 voluntarily
Oct 22 05:54:11 <_av500_> and came back at dusk
Oct 22 05:54:15 <_av500_> if at all
Oct 22 05:54:52 <thurbad> leave any behind?
Oct 22 05:55:20 <_av500_> let me check
Oct 22 05:55:32 <mranostay> O_O
Oct 22 05:56:37 <_av500_> all accounted for :)
Oct 22 05:56:44 <emeb_mac> they stopped playing "call me maybe" so they got to come home.
Oct 22 05:57:28 <mranostay> that song isn't really that bad
Oct 22 05:57:30 * mranostay ducks
Oct 22 05:57:42 * emeb_mac throws a balled-up sock
Oct 22 05:57:54 <_av500_> it sticks to the wall
Oct 22 05:58:12 <emeb_mac> hmmm - time to wipe the walls down.
Oct 22 05:58:24 <_av500_> use the sock
Oct 22 06:01:41 <_av500_> mranostay: i posted u a sunrise
Oct 22 06:08:09 <mranostay> _av500_: i thought you only did sunsets!
Oct 22 06:18:46 <_av500_> I am programed in multiple techniques
Oct 22 06:26:12 <emeb_mac> a broad variety...
Oct 22 06:44:45 <mranostay> _av500_: how about high noon?
Oct 22 06:58:17 <_av500_> mranostay: if you insist
Oct 22 07:01:25 * mranostay thinks this cat is plotting
Oct 22 07:01:42 <emeb_mac> but it looks so innocent?
Oct 22 07:02:30 <mranostay> isn't that a sign?
Oct 22 08:39:16 <av500> aargh: http://christianheilmann.com/2012/10/22/dont-call-it-open-source-unless-you-mean-it/
Oct 22 08:39:41 <av500> I will call it "publicly visible source code" then......
Oct 22 08:42:01 <dm8tbr> av500: public surface code? ;)
Oct 22 08:42:16 <av500> pubecode
Oct 22 08:42:53 <av500> i'll print t-shirts: All I wanted was a printer driver, not a community
Oct 22 08:43:57 <dm8tbr> :D
Oct 22 09:49:19 <arasi> Hi i am using TI SDK for am335x evm board.So i cross compiled MLO u-boot uImage and i want to port my own  file sysytem how to compile file system.
Oct 22 09:56:12 <av500> arasi: neither the TI SDK nor the am335x EVM are supported here
Oct 22 09:56:31 <av500> you bought stuff from TI, so ask TI
Oct 22 09:56:45 <av500> alternatively, provide some free EVMs :)
Oct 22 10:02:37 <mdp> hrm, ti sdk is publicly visible codez
Oct 22 10:04:08 <av500> I fail to find it on beagleboard.org
Oct 22 10:04:36 <av500> same for the EVM
Oct 22 10:14:39 <mdp> agreed, it seems to be offtopic for this channel
Oct 22 10:14:53 <mdp> no beagle in the name either
Oct 22 10:15:33 <mdp> arasi: e2e forums have a lot of ti sdk discussion
Oct 22 12:37:57 <sd--> i have a ti am335x beagle board... can i burn the mlo and uboot to nand through uboot prompt or must I have access to a jtag emulator like xds560?
Oct 22 12:39:00 <iPhoneMRZ> Who use compile for dsp of beagleboard-xm?
Oct 22 12:40:45 <av500> sd--: does it have nand at all?
Oct 22 12:41:25 <thurbad> didn't think the beaglebone had nand
Oct 22 12:41:45 <av500> neither have newer BBs
Oct 22 12:43:03 <sd--> how do i know if my board is beagle bone? the cd it came with says beagle bone on it ..but not the kit
Oct 22 12:43:18 <sd--> yes I do have nand
Oct 22 12:43:32 <av500> then I guess you have the TI am335x EVM
Oct 22 12:43:32 <sd--> actually not the cd..the sd card that boots linux
Oct 22 12:43:34 <av500> no?
Oct 22 12:43:48 <sd--> yes i do..thats not beagle bone?
Oct 22 12:43:53 <av500> no
Oct 22 12:44:05 <av500> its the  TI am335x EVM
Oct 22 12:44:18 <av500> no?
Oct 22 12:44:48 <sd--> yes I guess I got confused since the sd card that it came with has a welcome to beaglebone file in it
Oct 22 12:45:05 <sd--> what is beagle bone btw?
Oct 22 12:45:14 <av500> what is google?
Oct 22 12:46:17 <thurbad> meh... work time... again
Oct 22 12:48:24 <sd--> thanks i c what it is now
Oct 22 13:23:20 <arcanescu> well this is confusing : sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf most links point to <  this toolchain for armhf... i got one for linaro and its not compatible for ARM..... and its not avaialble in ubuntu packages ?
Oct 22 13:24:05 <av500> linaro toolchain not for ARM?
Oct 22 13:24:37 <arcanescu> yes.... thats what i get the terminal telling me
Oct 22 13:25:46 <arcanescu> gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-2012.09-20120921_linux i downloaded this package from linaros web
Oct 22 13:26:28 <arcanescu> is it a  version issue or i need an older compiler or what?
Oct 22 13:32:12 <av500> OMAP3 meets Google glasses: http://www.motorola.com/Business/US-EN/Business+Product+and+Services/Mobile+Computers/Wearable+Computers/HC1
Oct 22 13:32:48 <arcanescu> av500: can you point me to the correct toolchain for compiling 12.04+ kernel.....
Oct 22 13:33:18 <arcanescu> most google links point to apt-get ... and the package doesnt seem to be there anymore..
Oct 22 13:36:23 <av500> arcanescu: I haz no idea about apt fu
Oct 22 13:37:38 <arcanescu> av500: i dont want you to know abt apt im just asking if you can point me to a toolchain that wud compile 12.04+
Oct 22 13:39:20 <arcanescu> av500: nvm
Oct 22 13:42:34 <mdp> av500, fact checker fail: there is no OMAP3(tm) 3730
Oct 22 13:43:19 <mru> mdp: 36, 37.. big difference
Oct 22 13:43:54 <mdp> mru, it's the difference between ten and eleven!
Oct 22 13:44:07 <mru> so if ti sell omap, they'll get rid of the 36xx but not the 37xx...
Oct 22 13:46:04 <mdp> it seems dm3730 is a popular choice for wearable computing...recon uses it as well for their products
Oct 22 13:46:20 <av500> mdp: yes, the recon guy is/was here
Oct 22 13:46:25 <av500> forgot the nick
Oct 22 13:46:41 <mdp> ahh, cool...old customer
Oct 22 13:46:51 <av500> I guess he's out on recon...
Oct 22 13:47:49 <mdp> recon is why I found google glasses to be uninspiring
Oct 22 13:48:45 <av500> how can you find something uninspiring that you dont know what it is?
Oct 22 13:48:55 <mdp> exactly ;)
Oct 22 13:49:10 <mru> the bigger the hype, the less I care
Oct 22 13:50:39 <mdp> basically they showed off a clone of the looxcie.com streaming camera...with a stunt. *yawn*
Oct 22 13:51:27 <av500> mdp: yes, that is yawn
Oct 22 13:51:37 <av500> but I dount google glasses are just a head mounted camera
Oct 22 13:51:39 <av500> doubt
Oct 22 13:52:01 <av500> but it's what they made everybody think with the stunt and the fashion show video
Oct 22 13:52:02 <mru> they're a head-mounted camera with added hype
Oct 22 13:52:06 <av500> yep
Oct 22 13:52:16 <mdp> call me maybe when something works.
Oct 22 13:52:38 * mdp freshens a song in av500's head.
Oct 22 13:56:23 * mru does not dare do that, being on the same continent
Oct 22 13:56:53 <av500> I can manage
Oct 22 14:02:06 * LetoThe2nd sings "can i play with madnes...."
Oct 22 14:03:26 <bradfa> mdp, when you get some free time and your am335x evm dusted off, can you try uart3 on profile5 with u-boot from git://github.com/bradfa/u-boot.git please?
Oct 22 14:03:42 <bradfa> branch bone-uart-patches-for-mainline-v2
Oct 22 14:04:21 <bradfa> if you get good results, I'll send v2 patches to u-boot list
Oct 22 14:04:24 <bradfa> thanks!
Oct 22 14:04:50 <dm8tbr> mmmm, don't look into CEO with remaining eye... http://www.dilbert.com/2012-10-22/
Oct 22 14:05:31 <bradfa> I've tested with uarts 1,2,4,5 on bone with good results
Oct 22 14:05:48 <bradfa> and less hacking of common code! :)  marek's patches for serial rework made my life easy
Oct 22 14:05:53 <mdp> bradfa: certainly, in fact, great timing as I had to dust it off to test the edma series
Oct 22 14:06:01 <bradfa> mdp, awesome! :)
Oct 22 14:06:14 <bradfa> make am335x_evm_uart3_config <- probably what you want
Oct 22 14:06:20 <mdp> ok
Oct 22 14:07:05 <bradfa> uart 2, 3, 4, and 5 should all work with various profiles on the evm, if the docs are correct, most of them match up with pin-muxing available on the bone
Oct 22 14:07:07 <bradfa> which is nice
Oct 22 14:07:07 <mdp> reworking office network due to a dead switch then I'll give it a try
Oct 22 14:07:16 <bradfa> NO CARRIER!!
Oct 22 14:10:02 <mdp> yeah, my power controller was inaccessible...I shed a tear
Oct 22 14:12:24 <av500> shed a bike
Oct 22 14:13:07 <av500> ....On the technical side, AMD is going to put other cores in to their CPUs, most notably ARM cores. ...
Oct 22 14:13:37 <bradfa> link?
Oct 22 14:14:09 <mru> just another blogger making stuff up
Oct 22 14:14:21 <mdp> amazon is buying ARM
Oct 22 14:14:39 <av500> bradfa: https://semiaccurate.com/2012/10/22/amd-opens-up-a-little-during-the-q3-analyst-call/
Oct 22 14:14:48 <av500> s|a so grain of salt applies
Oct 22 14:14:57 <av500> but from analyst call, so maybe even true :)
Oct 22 14:15:06 * mru orders some 3-foot salt crystals
Oct 22 14:15:10 <bradfa> maybe they should re-up their security cert...
Oct 22 14:15:12 <bradfa> This Connection is Untrusted
Oct 22 14:15:15 <av500> yes
Oct 22 14:15:19 <av500> I lol every time
Oct 22 14:15:29 <bradfa> expired in 2010
Oct 22 14:15:39 <bradfa> go go scare away readers!
Oct 22 14:15:41 <av500> anyway, I dont give much for certs
Oct 22 14:15:58 <av500> its the stupid browsers that insist on them
Oct 22 14:16:14 <av500> at least chrome has a 1-click ignore
Oct 22 14:16:23 <av500> unlike FF that makes you jump through hoops
Oct 22 14:16:34 <bradfa> I like my firefox hoops!
Oct 22 14:16:42 <bradfa> make me get in shape, all that jumping!
Oct 22 14:16:51 <av500> hoops on fire for you
Oct 22 14:18:31 <emeb_mac> an 'oop! Oh Oh, no more buttered scones for me mater, I'm off to play the graaaand piano!
Oct 22 15:30:37 <mranostay> av500: sunrise time!
Oct 22 15:36:54 <av500> mranostay: post one :)
Oct 22 15:37:25 <mranostay> cloudy atm
Oct 22 15:38:17 <mranostay> it is CA winter here. aka little rain
Oct 22 15:39:08 <mranostay> and yes 101 is slower than normal
Oct 22 15:39:35 <av500> but then you have time to chat on irc :)
Oct 22 15:40:04 <mru> all this chatting really ircs me
Oct 22 15:41:19 <mranostay> mru: how are you threeday?
Oct 22 15:41:57 <mru> I'm just twoderful, thanks five asking
Oct 22 16:05:31 <adam___> anyone out there with BeagleBone CAN experience?
Oct 22 16:10:29 <mru> my beaglebone came in a can
Oct 22 16:13:32 <av500> mine just can!
Oct 22 16:13:48 <emeb> call it the CAN can.
Oct 22 16:20:25 <mdp> beaglebone...the little engine that could
Oct 22 17:03:12 <prpplague> koen: ping
Oct 22 17:03:24 <prpplague> koen: i really need to talk with you about that angstrom SOW for panda
Oct 22 17:49:00 <dm8tbr> av500: red or blue?
Oct 22 17:49:20 <av500> let me google that
Oct 22 17:49:55 <dm8tbr> av500: blue or red?
Oct 22 17:50:49 <dm8tbr> meh
Oct 22 17:50:50 <dm8tbr> sorry, scrollback failure
Oct 22 17:50:50 <dm8tbr> was still on your bikeshed comment...
Oct 22 17:50:50 <dm8tbr> too much time on airports today...
Oct 22 17:52:08 <av500> ah
Oct 22 17:52:10 <av500> green
Oct 22 18:38:21 <mdp> bradfa, am335x_evm_uart3_config works, feel free to add my tested by  line
Oct 22 18:38:41 <bradfa> mdp, awesome! thanks!
Oct 22 18:38:46 <bradfa> hope to send patches out today
Oct 22 18:38:49 <mdp> np, thank you!
Oct 22 18:39:47 <bradfa> I notice, in mainline u-boot, when loading a kernel over tftp, if I then reboot cleanly, the A5 and A6 bone Ethernet LEDs reverse their default state
Oct 22 18:40:39 <bradfa> A6 goes from orange and green normally on (100 Mb full duplex) with green blinking off during activity TO orange and green off with green blinking on during activity
Oct 22 18:42:42 <bradfa> on A5, orange is normally off green normally on with green blink off for activity, then after reboot orange is still normally off (suppose due to resistor changes for A5/A6) and green off with green blink on for activity
Oct 22 18:43:11 <bradfa> will be looking into that real soon now
Oct 22 18:43:48 <bradfa> running evil vendor kernel, but the kernel seems to just keep what ever state u-boot left the PHY (assuming that's who's doing the blinking) in
Oct 22 18:49:26 <bradfa> mdp, Tested-by: line goes on all 4 patches?
Oct 22 18:51:16 <mdp> that's fine, essentially tested all of them by doing this
Oct 22 18:51:34 <bradfa> mdp, k, thanks!
Oct 22 18:51:53 <mdp> too bad my one bone can't get aneg to complete
Oct 22 18:52:34 <bradfa> aneg?
Oct 22 18:53:10 <Russ> autonegotiation
Oct 22 18:53:20 * djlewis puts headphones on to watch jkridner talk about our beloved BeagleBone.
Oct 22 18:53:41 <woglinde> djlewise where?
Oct 22 18:53:47 <jkridner> not gonna share it with the world? :)
Oct 22 18:53:48 <woglinde> and why you nead headphones?
Oct 22 18:54:26 <bradfa> woglinde, so djlewis can drown out the sound of jkridner talking?
Oct 22 18:54:50 <djlewis> lol, its the one on beagleboard.org now.
Oct 22 18:55:00 <djlewis> Seems jkridner has an old MTV cameraman
Oct 22 18:55:06 <mdp> koen: after hearing about the pwm/enet interaction I live in fear of running the wrong peripheral and taking out ethernet ;)
Oct 22 18:55:21 <ds2> delete ethernet;
Oct 22 18:56:02 * bradfa is bad at the world wide web...
Oct 22 19:00:02 <mdp> heh
Oct 22 19:00:29 <mdp> ds2, wait, I was told if I deleted USB then my life would be better
Oct 22 19:00:34 <mdp> ethernet too now
Oct 22 19:00:47 * mdp weighs this dilemna
Oct 22 19:01:08 <_av500_> mdp: buy a boat
Oct 22 19:01:49 <mdp> _av500_: no, no. too smart for that. I have friends with boats. that's the way to go
Oct 22 19:04:14 <_av500_> catch shrimp much?
Oct 22 19:12:49 <prpplague> anyone know if koen is on holiday or something?
Oct 22 19:13:26 <djlewis> he's ignoring you ;)
Oct 22 19:15:03 <prpplague> djlewis: seems so
Oct 22 19:15:22 <prpplague> djlewis: but then again i am used to people ignoring me
Oct 22 19:17:34 <djlewis> prpplague: that's two of us
Oct 22 19:18:05 <mdp> prpplague: he was around this morning
Oct 22 19:18:23 <mdp> my morning
Oct 22 19:18:30 <djlewis> whenever that is
Oct 22 19:18:48 <djlewis> my morning went far too fast
Oct 22 19:19:04 <mdp> djlewis, it was some time ago
Oct 22 19:19:13 * djlewis works the last half the daylight hours
Oct 22 19:19:16 * mdp adds details
Oct 22 19:19:37 <djlewis> living in CST here
Oct 22 19:19:45 <djlewis> or is that CDT
Oct 22 19:19:54 <mdp> "central"
Oct 22 19:20:23 <djlewis> argh.. its gonna be one of those brain fart kinda afternoons
Oct 22 19:21:03 * mdp goes back to ignoring prpplague
Oct 22 19:21:03 <_av500_> do it like me, work in UGT
Oct 22 19:21:17 <mdp> or "ugh"
Oct 22 19:22:43 <n00b_> Can anyone recommend a subversion client to run on the beaglebone?
Oct 22 19:22:52 <prpplague> mdp: hehe
Oct 22 19:22:54 <bradfa> mdp, should my v2 patches be "in reply to" my v1 patches?
Oct 22 19:23:19 <mdp> bradfa, no repost the whole series
Oct 22 19:23:22 <djlewis> how about an index or next and back buttons on 26+26=54
Oct 22 19:23:27 <bradfa> k, going now
Oct 22 19:23:37 <mdp> bradfa, don't forget the "changes since v1" in your cover letter
Oct 22 19:23:57 <mdp> "ridiculously cool uart3 option added!"
Oct 22 19:23:59 <bradfa> mdp, got that, and put changes since v1 in each patch too
Oct 22 19:24:23 <mdp> cool
Oct 22 19:24:40 <djlewis> add "first" and "last" buttons too.
Oct 22 19:24:45 <_av500_> djlewis: see pm
Oct 22 19:26:45 <bradfa> mdp, thanks for your help on this! now I have to go write word doc test plans... fun time is over :(
Oct 22 19:26:56 <mdp> my condolences
Oct 22 19:27:07 <mdp> no chance for LaTeX, eh? ;)
Oct 22 19:27:22 <bradfa> ceo likes word, he took my markdown to html and made it a word doc
Oct 22 19:27:37 <mdp> I hear it's popular with normal people
Oct 22 19:39:22 <rabryn> has anyone had any experience with USB mass storage device support in u-boot with a beaglebone?
Oct 22 20:00:11 <bradfa> rabryn, I don't think mainline u-boot supports USB yet for am335x but that's from memory and if pressed I don't have hard facts to back it up without some searching
Oct 22 20:08:23 <mdp> bradfa: ping
Oct 22 20:09:01 <bradfa> mdp, pong
Oct 22 20:09:48 <ds2> hmmmm
Oct 22 20:16:38 <rabryn> bradfa, sorry, my connection died... that's what i've found from searching.  i found some patches and tried to integrate them into my build but no success.  was just hoping someone had hacked something together already...
Oct 22 20:17:35 <bradfa> rabryn, I think it's in the works, usb and boot from flash I believe are big deals and should be coming real soon now, I just don't have a use for either right now so I'm not paying much attention
Oct 22 20:17:50 <rabryn> np
Oct 22 20:18:29 <rabryn> when you say, "boot from flash", are you referring to booting from nand?
Oct 22 20:20:07 <bradfa> rabryn, yes
Oct 22 20:20:44 <mdp> It seems like ilya's addition of musb-new is a step toward better support
Oct 22 20:20:59 <mdp> bradfa, how is cpsw working for you on 2012.10?
Oct 22 20:21:50 <rabryn> i assumed u-boot supported booting from nand...
Oct 22 20:24:23 <bradfa> mdp, tftp loads kernel faster than evil vendor u-boot but the LEDs on the PHY invert at reset
Oct 22 20:24:45 <bradfa> mdp, I plug to a 10/100 switch, I've not seen any issues other than the LEDs
Oct 22 20:24:49 <mdp> I get no link light now
Oct 22 20:25:01 <mdp> worked on -rc3
Oct 22 20:25:02 <bradfa> mdp, every other "reset" causes LEDs to invert
Oct 22 20:25:19 <bradfa> mdp, if you pull all power out, power up to u-boot prompt, you get no LEDs?
Oct 22 20:25:27 <bradfa> on A6 or older bone?
Oct 22 20:25:28 <mdp> somebody else just told me that they get no link list on 2012.10
Oct 22 20:25:32 <mdp> a5
Oct 22 20:25:34 <rabryn> regarding u-boot and usb, i'm looking to load a kernel and minimal rfs into ram, boot the kernel with params to mount the ram based rfs to ultimately rewrite the kernel/rfs in nand (kind of a disaster recovery mechanism).
Oct 22 20:26:00 <bradfa> mdp, A5 should give green light on 100 full dup
Oct 22 20:26:03 <bradfa> for link
Oct 22 20:26:10 <bradfa> A6 should give both green and orange
Oct 22 20:26:12 <mdp> bradfa, given how much am180x emac hates a real hub, I'm thinking ethernet is not our strong suit
Oct 22 20:26:36 <mdp> bradfa, no connection at all on my network gear
Oct 22 20:26:52 <mdp> this is a different a5 so I'll try my known good one with the release version
Oct 22 20:26:52 <bradfa> mdp, oh, wait, just noticed I'm testing with 2012.10-rc2...
Oct 22 20:27:03 <bradfa> hmmm
Oct 22 20:28:01 <mdp> ahas
Oct 22 20:28:40 <bradfa> rebuilding...
Oct 22 20:30:13 <mdp> c7c6322 Prepare v2012.10-rc3 is what has been working for me
Oct 22 20:30:56 <bradfa> mdp, no issue loading via tftp and A6 has both green and orange lights on with 100 full dup
Oct 22 20:31:05 <bradfa> 2012.10-00256-g322bea1
Oct 22 20:31:14 <bradfa> master from Saturday with my uart patches on top
Oct 22 20:31:46 <bradfa> mdp, inverting LEDs issue still present with 'reset' from u-boot cmd line
Oct 22 20:32:10 <bradfa> I have to head home now, but will debug in the morning if I can
Oct 22 20:32:14 <bradfa> ttyl
Oct 22 20:40:56 <_av500_> blech sawdust
Oct 22 20:42:45 <ds2> buying cheap cinnamon again, _av500_?
Oct 22 20:47:18 <_av500_> no
Oct 22 20:47:24 <_av500_> woodworking
Oct 22 20:47:31 <_av500_> cutting MDF
Oct 22 20:50:49 <ds2> MDF hasn't been banded in the EU yet?
Oct 22 20:52:08 <mdp> ds2, ;)
Oct 22 21:21:00 <djlewis> wouldn't it be nice if all the listed BeagleBone capes had a cape compatibility list?
Oct 22 21:23:26 <_av500_> ds2: nope
Oct 22 21:26:55 <mdp> djlewis: all the CCO capes?
Oct 22 21:27:43 <_av500_> ds2: why should it?
Oct 22 21:27:58 <ds2> that glue releases noxious fumes
Oct 22 21:28:07 <ds2> it out gasses forever
Oct 22 21:28:20 <ds2> if there is anything that should be RoHS banned, it is the MDF glues
Oct 22 21:31:21 <djlewis> mdp: it would be nice to nkow what will stack and what wont without having to review schematics. layout, component placement etc.
Oct 22 21:32:02 <djlewis> but then where is the adventure in all the info being readily available ;)
Oct 22 21:32:03 <_av500_> ds2: yes, but my google research says its ok
Oct 22 21:32:16 <_av500_> and I assume the stuff here is built to higher standards :)
Oct 22 21:32:18 <djlewis> is that stuff used in fema trailers ;)
Oct 22 21:32:23 <mdp> djlewis, certainly, I think CCO should be providing a decoder ring for that
Oct 22 21:32:43 <mdp> djlewis, it's one of the few things that isn't a TI problem ;)
Oct 22 21:32:57 <djlewis> mdp: 20 plus capes and counting
Oct 22 21:33:35 <ds2> _av500_: don't they all come from the same factories in china? :D
Oct 22 21:34:18 <_av500_> doubt it
Oct 22 21:34:23 <djlewis> ds2: whats a little formaldehyde amongst family?
Oct 22 21:35:02 <ds2> have them come out with an adapter cape to use xM/Classic accessories?
Oct 22 21:35:32 <_av500_> we might soon need a capestarter website
Oct 22 21:36:42 <mdp> 32 core 6502 cape...featuring "The Greatest MPU _ever_(tm)"
Oct 22 21:37:18 <mdp> "Help us reach $1.2B in funding an make this cape happen!"
Oct 22 21:39:06 <djlewis> cape-a-thons
Oct 22 21:39:43 <djlewis> oh no, i cant get my brain off..... thong-cape
Oct 22 21:40:02 <mdp> heh
Oct 22 21:40:10 <mdp> friday?
Oct 22 21:40:29 <djlewis> should I have saved that?
Oct 22 21:41:11 <djlewis> should have waited for the next ecs or something
Oct 22 21:42:53 <stahl> hello, my bonescript is not running after git pull (updating bonescript). do i have do install/update a specific version of node?
Oct 22 21:43:38 <mdp> djlewis: maybe we can retract it from the interwebs to save it?
Oct 22 21:43:51 <mdp> "djlewis would like to recall the last message"
Oct 22 21:49:46 <_av500_> ok, I deleted my copy here locally
Oct 22 21:50:57 <mdp> ok, also deleted my local copy here
Oct 22 21:51:07 <mdp> can everybody else please check in when you've deleted that
Oct 22 21:51:13 <mdp> let's help djlewis get to friday
Oct 22 21:51:50 <_av500_> let me tweeta reminder
Oct 22 21:51:50 <djlewis> :)
Oct 22 21:52:33 <mdp> djlewis: ok, I can't erase the copy in my head now
Oct 22 21:52:56 <mdp> djlewis, I unfortunately am imagining a "people-of-walmart" style version of that cape :(
Oct 22 21:52:59 <mdp> ugh
Oct 22 21:53:22 <djlewis> o-my-god!! how could you bring that up,,,
Oct 22 21:53:52 <mdp> it's therapy...bleach didn't get it out...nor head plants on the desk
Oct 22 21:54:01 <djlewis> mdp: you have ruined it for me now :(
Oct 22 21:54:52 * djlewis goes back to thinking up a more placid, mild mannered boring cape . . .
Oct 22 21:55:16 <mdp> how about one where you just bring out a lot gpio on the headers for bitbanging?
Oct 22 21:55:27 <mdp> "GPIO Cape"
Oct 22 21:55:45 <ds2> no stun gun cape?
Oct 22 21:55:46 * djlewis loves bit banging almost as much as head banging :)
Oct 22 21:55:55 <ds2> inverter driven by PWM from the Bone!
Oct 22 22:08:22 <_av500_> mdp: a cape with all GPIOs on screw terminals
Oct 22 22:09:11 <mdp> that's version A
Oct 22 22:09:23 <mdp> version B will have the much cheaper spring terminals
Oct 22 22:09:47 <djlewis> like on the 150 and 1 electronics project kit :)
Oct 22 22:10:00 <mdp> djlewis: now you're recovered!
Oct 22 22:10:08 <djlewis> lol
Oct 22 22:10:18 <_av500_> mdp: in fact, I want a cape with a huge amphenol socket
Oct 22 22:10:26 <_av500_> MIL std style
Oct 22 22:10:31 <mdp> hehe
Oct 22 22:10:39 <djlewis> mdp: has djlewis choking on chips
Oct 22 22:10:40 <_av500_> so you can plug an F-16
Oct 22 22:10:52 <_av500_> or an Osprey
Oct 22 22:11:05 <djlewis> sounds very useful
Oct 22 22:11:15 <_av500_> if you have a spare F-16, yes
Oct 22 22:11:33 <djlewis> just walk on base and help ur sef
Oct 22 22:12:32 <djlewis> long ago I used to be able to drive through waving at the sentry on the airbase.
Oct 22 22:12:42 <djlewis> damn terrorists ruined that for me :(
Oct 22 22:13:47 <djlewis> nowadays a base sponser has to drive up to the gate, sign you in and chaparon ya.
Oct 22 22:14:31 <mdp> yeah, wright-patterson has locked-down like that
Oct 22 22:15:07 <djlewis> now thats a base. we only have c-130 type plaines here.
Oct 22 22:16:07 <mdp> great museum and nice camping there
Oct 22 22:16:17 <_av500_> dont camp on the runway
Oct 22 22:16:24 <_av500_> at least, leave a fire burning
Oct 22 22:16:37 <mdp> ;)
Oct 22 22:16:43 <djlewis> the BeagleBone cape matcher cape would solve my problems . . .
Oct 22 22:16:50 <mdp> sound advice!
Oct 22 22:28:04 <_av500_> hmm, a cape that would route any input pin to any output pin
Oct 22 22:28:42 <_av500_> virtualwire(tm)
Oct 22 22:29:32 <_av500_> mdp: your c64 cape, does it have the c64 style expansion port?
Oct 22 22:30:08 <mdp> too late, there's been an arduino library called [studlyCapsAlert] VirtualWire for some time.
Oct 22 22:30:23 <mdp> _av500_, not a c64 cape...not that ambitious
Oct 22 22:30:39 <mdp> just a really dump remoteproc with no i/o atm
Oct 22 22:31:01 <mdp> s/dump/dumb/
Oct 22 22:31:13 <_av500_> mdp: who is the remoteproc?
Oct 22 22:31:16 <_av500_> the 6502?
Oct 22 22:31:19 <_av500_> or the am335x?
Oct 22 22:31:23 <mdp> the 6502, yes
Oct 22 22:31:56 <_av500_> hmm, a SID cape would be nice
Oct 22 22:33:04 <mdp> an ambitious person would make an ov3640 sensor dongle to fit the quicklogic camera cape
Oct 22 22:33:13 <mdp> and throw away the aptina sensor
Oct 22 22:33:34 <mdp> no, burn the aptina one
Oct 22 22:34:54 <mdp> bradfa, fixed some seating issues with my rs232 cape causing enet issues...have your patches on u-boot master booting 3.7-rc2 in my board farm now...USB-Free!
Oct 22 22:35:22 <unsolo> hi guys, anyone here fiddled with the mmu in a boot loader / supervisor mode outside of linux ?
Oct 22 22:36:05 <unsolo> on a omap35xx or dm37xx
Oct 22 22:40:36 <mru> unsolo: yes, everybody who work on other kernels has
Oct 22 22:46:13 <unsolo> mru: any good hints on where i can find some nice asm routines on how to map it write through 1:1 mapped ?
Oct 22 22:46:28 <unsolo> from what i have read it has a huge impact on performance.
Oct 22 22:46:35 <mru> u-boot?
Oct 22 22:47:08 <mru> and yes, the mmu has to be enabled to use the d-cache
Oct 22 22:47:31 <mru> otherwise the cpu doesn't know which addresses are cacheable
Oct 22 22:47:53 <unsolo> ahh that makes perfect sense
Oct 22 22:48:30 <unsolo> my zlib deflate routine took a few minutes to complete so i belive i have to do this to make it perform better..
Oct 22 22:51:54 <_av500_> mapping 1:1 is easy
Oct 22 22:51:59 <_av500_> I did that in arm9 times
Oct 22 22:52:05 <_av500_> and forgot all about it :)
Oct 22 22:52:21 <unsolo> hehe
Oct 22 22:52:29 <unsolo> yea i think i should be able to handle it
Oct 22 22:52:43 <unsolo> it should be possible to enable mapping whilst executing from ram right
Oct 22 22:52:48 <unsolo> and disable it as well
Oct 22 22:52:51 <mru> yes
Oct 22 22:53:14 * unsolo looks for the source in u-boot
Oct 22 22:54:26 <mru> enabling/disabling a non-1:1 mapping has some caveats
Oct 22 22:54:31 <mru> it's simplest to just not do that
Oct 22 22:55:17 <unsolo> mru: i can see several reasons why that is more painful
Oct 23 00:31:57 <mranostay> well eff amazon
Oct 23 00:41:40 <Russ> mranostay, e3? not getting your cats today?
Oct 23 00:42:05 <Russ> er, ec2
Oct 23 00:46:24 <mranostay> yeah
Oct 23 00:46:45 <mranostay> never got around to moving my stuff from us-east to us-west
Oct 23 00:46:52 <mranostay> however i just did that
Oct 23 01:04:46 <muhoo> amazon went TU today, eh?
Oct 23 01:04:58 * prpplague does a rant about rpi on G+
Oct 23 01:05:40 <muhoo> i guess we can add beagle vs rpi to the list including linux vs bsd, mac vs windoze, emacs vs vi, etc
Oct 23 01:06:08 * muhoo personally has no interest in rpi and doesn't get the hype
Oct 23 01:06:10 <mranostay> prpplague: easy tiger
Oct 23 01:07:07 <prpplague> hehe
Oct 23 01:16:12 <mranostay> oh another worthless atom system for free :P
Oct 23 01:16:21 <mranostay> nice LCD panel at least :)
Oct 23 01:17:00 <prpplague> mranostay: hehe, got the datasheet for it? if so, it's good for something, hehe
Oct 23 01:17:05 <mranostay> prpplague: so you think we are getting those FRI2 systems like ever? :)
Oct 23 01:17:43 <prpplague> hehe
Oct 23 01:18:12 <prpplague> mranostay: you see that post on makezine blog about his company - http://store.iheartengineering.com/
Oct 23 01:18:21 <prpplague> mranostay: got some really interesting tools
Oct 23 01:20:06 <mranostay> who's company?
Oct 23 01:20:23 <prpplague> hehe
Oct 23 01:20:27 <prpplague> s/his/this
Oct 23 01:20:49 <prpplague> mranostay: long day and i have a pounding sinus headache
Oct 23 01:21:32 <prpplague> mranostay: and people keep asking me if i have "heard of the raspberry pi?" and "is PandaBoard a TI copy of the Raspberry Pi?"
Oct 23 01:22:23 <mranostay> prpplague: well is it?
Oct 23 01:22:25 * mranostay ducks 
Oct 23 01:22:29 <prpplague> hehe
Oct 23 01:22:52 * prpplague makes note to have many trolls in the front row for mranostay 's presentation
Oct 23 01:23:22 <mranostay> christ
Oct 23 01:23:58 <prpplague> hehe
Oct 23 01:23:59 <mranostay> i swear all my friends in tech are the people i hated in grad school :P
Oct 23 01:24:04 <mranostay> *grade
Oct 23 01:27:07 <mranostay> prpplague: so are all the trolls going btw?
Oct 23 01:27:21 <mranostay> and semi-trolls
Oct 23 01:27:47 <prpplague> mranostay: ELC and ELCE are like 90% trolls, the other 10% are sales and marketing mutants
Oct 23 01:28:23 <mranostay> i rather deal with trolls
Oct 23 01:28:29 <prpplague> hehe
Oct 23 01:28:40 <mranostay> unless the S&M is picking up the bar tab
Oct 23 01:28:59 <prpplague> mranostay: you missed it a few months back, mru was trolling at bletchley park, hehe
Oct 23 01:29:09 <mranostay> ivi?
Oct 23 01:30:29 <prpplague> mranostay: i was there for the automotive linux summit, but alison chaiken and i met up with mru at bletchley one afternoon
Oct 23 01:31:10 <mranostay> on purpose?!?!?
Oct 23 01:31:24 <mru> trolling is always on purpose
Oct 23 01:36:26 <prpplague> mru: hehe
Oct 23 01:45:11 <Crofton|work> The Oracle guy last year was nice
Oct 23 01:45:59 <mru> the one we trolled?
Oct 23 01:46:59 <Crofton|work> yes
Oct 23 01:47:55 <prpplague> Crofton|work: hehe you entering the DARPA SDR contest?
Oct 23 01:50:21 <Crofton|work> no
Oct 23 01:50:27 <Crofton|work> is this a new one
Oct 23 01:51:52 <prpplague> i think it is new, i just saw some posts on it last week
Oct 23 01:51:59 <prpplague> sub $300 design iirc
Oct 23 01:52:09 <Crofton|work> they are funding some guy who is making a 300$ board
Oct 23 01:52:40 <Crofton|work> sort of annoying, since they are subsidizing someone who is not making ground brekain g hw
Oct 23 01:53:00 <prpplague> indeed
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