**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 16 02:59:59 2012 Nov 16 04:32:50 thurbad: ping Nov 16 04:33:38 ? Nov 16 07:13:22 gee, x86 is coming to get us: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/11/16/199-gizmo-explorer-kit-embedded-development-kit-based-on-amd-g-series-g-t40e-apu Nov 16 07:13:33 why only vga out???? Nov 16 07:16:37 vga has retro appeal. kinda like nixie tubes. Nov 16 07:19:26 oh my Nov 16 07:19:30 they name 2 irc channels Nov 16 07:19:37 #gizmo and #gizmosphere Nov 16 07:19:44 im now op in the 2nd Nov 16 07:20:22 pfff! Nov 16 07:20:45 :) Nov 16 07:36:23 hi av500 and dm8tbr in that order Nov 16 07:42:57 hoi zäme Nov 16 07:43:14 mru: now, that looks like a nice piece of code Nov 16 07:43:16 :-) Nov 16 07:49:15 too many trolls! Nov 16 07:49:46 there aint such thing as too many trolls Nov 16 07:51:27 welcome panto-o Nov 16 07:51:55 good morning punk-o Nov 16 07:52:57 you know him? Nov 16 07:53:21 which one? Nov 16 07:53:36 mranostay, Nov 16 07:53:55 yes we are best of friends or something Nov 16 07:54:56 I don't want to admit that in public Nov 16 07:55:06 there are pics panto pics :) Nov 16 07:55:18 curse you internets! Nov 16 07:55:29 oh, I saw that picture Nov 16 07:55:31 WTMI Nov 16 07:57:13 so you wear the same shit, and use the same apple computer - are there any other similarities between you & linus? Nov 16 07:57:56 panto: ouch :) Nov 16 07:58:24 glasses? Nov 16 07:59:39 i should have asked his thoughts on Nvidia Nov 16 08:04:23 I did Nov 16 08:04:42 I asked for your sins Nov 16 08:04:58 brave and/or crazy people Nov 16 08:05:15 ka6sox: av500 did that in the Q & A keynote :) Nov 16 08:06:12 and it made it into the news :) Nov 16 08:06:18 news? Nov 16 08:06:37 za nuisu! Nov 16 08:06:48 mru got to troll linus the night before Nov 16 08:07:10 "hey were is your badge at?" Nov 16 08:08:19 Nov 16 08:34:39 mru: comment of a coworker: the c[] array is too obvious, it should be obfuscated as well :-) Nov 16 08:37:01 heh Nov 16 09:04:52 lol Nov 16 09:05:20 koth so you seriuosly thinking about to chooses mru's solution for your statemachine Nov 16 09:19:19 woglinde: why not? Nov 16 09:19:29 woglinde: it'll keep my jobe secure for generations to come :) Nov 16 09:21:26 yes Nov 16 09:21:40 hardware generations, software generations or human generations? Nov 16 09:21:47 KotH: but I think the next step would be to initialize all these tables at runtime Nov 16 09:22:04 from zip compressed XML Nov 16 09:22:16 av500: by using on-the-fly calculated values using arcane math magic? Nov 16 09:22:24 nah... using a function that uses rand() as seed on how many tables are needed and how to fill them Nov 16 09:22:38 or that Nov 16 09:24:00 * KotH likes the approach in http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Psychic-Code.aspx Nov 16 09:25:25 <3 "mob" function Nov 16 09:26:39 where can I change console port in u-boot? Nov 16 09:26:51 in the code I guess :) Nov 16 09:27:02 yegorich: usually its some #define :) Nov 16 09:27:25 I'm trying to find it fo am335x Nov 16 09:27:35 in the arago repo I have #define CONFIG_CONS_INDEX Nov 16 09:28:07 I don't see such an option in main line include/configs/am335x_evm.h Nov 16 09:28:16 "Arago"...? that sounds infective. Nov 16 09:28:48 When I configure u-boot make O=beaglebone/ am335x_evm_config Nov 16 09:29:01 I get: Configuring for am335x_evm - Board: am335x_evm, Options: SERIAL1,CONS_INDEX=1 Nov 16 09:29:33 koth: hah Nov 16 09:32:04 LetoThe2nd: it is now in boards.cfg. Cool! Nov 16 09:32:31 * LetoThe2nd is not cool. i got an o2 generating fire burning inside me! Nov 16 09:33:51 One just need to invoke: make O=beaglebone/ am335x_evm_uart3_config Nov 16 09:34:28 other boards seem to still use CONFIG_CONS_INDEX in their include/configs/*.h Nov 16 09:58:29 KotH: note that about half the values in those tables are arbitrary Nov 16 09:59:31 mru: i know Nov 16 09:59:42 mru: i actually read the code :) Nov 16 09:59:57 and lived to tell the tale, impressive Nov 16 10:15:46 koen: pls pull for meta-initramfs #38763 (1/2) and #38535 (2/2) Nov 16 11:59:49 av500, the article is quoting my MS advisior Nov 16 12:00:03 the less polite analysis is he is fear-mongering Nov 16 12:00:05 see Nov 16 12:00:13 I knew you were involved Nov 16 12:00:17 heh Nov 16 12:00:21 now stop jammin' Nov 16 12:00:23 they are across the street Nov 16 12:00:25 and get rockin' Nov 16 12:00:29 right Nov 16 12:00:37 at least we know why there is no LTE in N4 Nov 16 12:00:50 heh Nov 16 12:01:10 We can already do similar games with gsm Nov 16 12:01:24 Crofton|work: I will call the papers and tell them I can jam traffic for $6.50 Nov 16 12:01:28 gsm is fun because I can get the handset to camp on rogue base stations Nov 16 12:01:39 heh Nov 16 12:01:49 av500: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffCmFDzaYyQ Nov 16 12:01:58 I think the novelty is they are just disrupting the control channel Nov 16 12:02:12 mru: that video is actually jammed in Germany Nov 16 12:02:25 Jammany Nov 16 12:02:32 Jammed here also Nov 16 12:04:28 This is fear mongering Nov 16 12:04:29 http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/15/3648720/lte-network-vulnerable-radio-jammer-takedown-virginia-tech Nov 16 12:05:28 Crofton|work: remember when sjobs said that jailbraking iphone can bring down the at&t network? it turned out that just selling a lot of them did that already... Nov 16 12:05:51 rofl Nov 16 12:06:45 the cellular network is at more risk from incompetent operators than peopl with USRP's Nov 16 12:08:30 he croftom Nov 16 12:08:35 ups crofton Nov 16 12:14:35 * KotH wonders why everyone is so keen on LTE Nov 16 12:14:59 a lot of people in around here switch even UMTS off, because it uses too much power... and LTE is even worse Nov 16 12:15:15 it has go-faster stripes Nov 16 12:15:17 KotH: us networks are for the simple reason that thier 3g sucks Nov 16 12:15:57 in the eu with relatively good 3G there is no urgent need Nov 16 12:16:43 e.g. last year At&T told us that they will not allow any new phones on their network without 3g Nov 16 12:16:52 erm Nov 16 12:16:54 without lte Nov 16 12:17:12 becaue they need all of 3g to support legacy iphones :) Nov 16 12:17:25 lol Nov 16 12:17:35 sucks to live in a 4th world country Nov 16 12:17:39 yes Nov 16 12:28:03 wait a sec.. how can they force the users to buy a lte phone? Nov 16 12:29:07 they cant Nov 16 12:29:14 my smart fried is very very angry with my advisor Nov 16 12:29:15 but most users buy a phone from at&t Nov 16 12:29:44 and at&T will not stock one without Nov 16 12:29:58 we tried to get our 3G thing for G9 into the US Nov 16 12:30:06 at&t said, sorry, not LTE, no go Nov 16 12:31:05 so, you upgraded it with a LTE capable chipset? Nov 16 12:31:32 right Nov 16 12:31:37 took us only a day Nov 16 12:32:10 so long? i would have expected better from you! Nov 16 12:32:25 half of it was spent to stick little "LTE" stickers on the boxes Nov 16 12:37:12 dont you have any cheap parisian banlieue slaves for that? Nov 16 12:38:40 yes Nov 16 12:45:42 * KotH lols at $customer Nov 16 12:46:08 requirements: size 30x30x10mm (including batteries), lifetime on battery >5y Nov 16 12:46:16 nucular!!! Nov 16 12:46:22 mars rover has it Nov 16 12:48:27 arg, someone in #gnuradio is wondering why gnuradio does not run well on rpi Nov 16 12:48:49 lol Nov 16 12:50:31 Crofton|work: did you suggest bitbanging the radio? Nov 16 12:50:51 Crofton|work: tell him that the banged up bits get into an excited state, and when they fall back to ground state emit radio waves which interfere with the ADC frontends on the RF board Nov 16 12:51:39 I think he is smarter than that Nov 16 12:52:56 still worth a try Nov 16 13:11:20 av500, isn't at&t's "LTE" just a 3g standard rebranded? Nov 16 13:11:28 bradfa: maybe Nov 16 13:11:32 or am I think of their "4g" Nov 16 13:11:39 but they wanted real LTE from handset vendors Nov 16 13:12:02 since over here in amer-ikca what we call 4g is still slower than the fastest modes in the 3g standard Nov 16 13:12:29 so not 4g, but LTE Nov 16 13:41:46 set_bias_level: More than 1 Stream Active OFF Nov 16 13:42:05 what does this mean Nov 16 13:46:23 arhh some soc stuff Nov 16 13:47:29 asoc Nov 16 14:08:13 av500, your day is over Nov 16 14:09:08 /o\ Nov 16 14:09:27 suits me nicely, didnt get much done anyway :) Nov 16 14:09:53 prepapre to go from "not much" to "nothing" Nov 16 14:11:30 mdp: or even less Nov 16 14:12:36 ooh, I'm already productive today...trolled gcl Nov 16 14:13:00 DT isn't enough, we need a Software Tree Nov 16 14:13:10 \o/ Nov 16 14:13:18 and a keycode busch Nov 16 14:13:40 heh Nov 16 14:14:11 and as is often the case, I'm only half-joking about an ST Nov 16 14:14:15 in the end, an olive branch Nov 16 14:15:00 I dont get it. Nov 16 14:15:18 Dell has now a 29" 2560x1080 - but I have a 27" 2560x1440 on my desk Nov 16 14:15:24 so less pixels in a larger box???? Nov 16 14:15:29 what part of the memo did they not get? Nov 16 14:15:36 29>27 Nov 16 14:15:48 consume Nov 16 14:15:51 move closer to the screen Nov 16 14:15:52 old man Nov 16 14:16:35 hi mdp Nov 16 14:16:38 I mostly need to make some time to add a 3rd display Nov 16 14:19:54 hi panto Nov 16 14:20:39 mdp: software tree? Nov 16 14:20:55 water it well and the sw will grow Nov 16 14:20:57 and grow Nov 16 14:20:59 and grow Nov 16 14:21:28 software, left unattended, will grow until it consumes all available resources Nov 16 14:21:31 KothH, in the strict case, you may not have DT properties that aren't a h/w characteristic Nov 16 14:21:51 \o/ double negative Nov 16 14:22:05 would you accept that I'm finally just sipping my first coffee? Nov 16 14:22:15 ;) Nov 16 14:22:43 in the strict case, DT properties must only reflect h/w characteristics Nov 16 14:24:08 ah.. Nov 16 14:24:10 well.. Nov 16 14:24:14 who cares about rules? Nov 16 14:24:27 mmm Nov 16 14:24:52 KotH: rulers Nov 16 14:26:01 av500: but it is 21:9 !!! I bet your 27" has at least as much display area as the 29" cinemascope Nov 16 14:27:38 cinemascope? is that a word for single line TFT screens? Nov 16 14:40:33 Hello all Nov 16 14:41:21 I've run into a problem with the latest systemd-image of Angstrom 2012.05. I can't ssh to the beaglebone anymore! Nov 16 14:42:27 pöttering strikes back! Nov 16 14:42:34 "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" => is it necessary to create ssh keys and configure accepted hosts on the beaglebone, or?? Nov 16 14:43:05 have a look at /var/log/auth.log Nov 16 14:46:29 Koth : The file is empty Nov 16 14:47:08 I've baked the systemd-image just this morning. Nov 16 14:48:06 Koth : sorry, I meant /var/log/auth.log does not exist. Nov 16 14:48:25 know thy syslog config! Nov 16 14:48:58 or has been syslog pötterified and integrated into systemd? Nov 16 14:49:06 yes Nov 16 14:49:08 syslogd Nov 16 14:49:17 its binary now Nov 16 14:51:36 so.. his evil scheme with this log thingy did work out in the end Nov 16 15:04:22 mram all the things: https://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/16/everspin-makes-st-mram-a-reality/ Nov 16 15:15:11 * bradfa 's raspberry pi has arrived! (let the trolling begin!) Nov 16 15:15:13 av500: it's fitting that a site called semiaccurate.com would have a not-quite trusted cert :) Nov 16 15:16:26 hehe Nov 16 15:16:28 hmm, actually, KDE's browser complains, firefox doesn't, so nevermind :) Nov 16 15:18:01 alan_o: yes, the cert is amusing Nov 16 15:18:17 but then, I dont intent to do home banking with them Nov 16 15:18:19 everspin sounds like a political website Nov 16 15:18:21 intend* Nov 16 15:18:34 so I could not care less about their "cert" Nov 16 15:26:08 hmm, so I'm at the arm office Nov 16 15:26:18 my monitor is full of xterms running ssh home Nov 16 15:26:25 so I can do some actual work Nov 16 15:26:30 is that normal? Nov 16 15:26:34 yes Nov 16 15:27:29 mru: extra kudos for ssh'ing home into the screen sessions that ssh into the ARM compute cluster Nov 16 15:28:13 mru: any, post pics, we want to see all the Acorn machines strewn everywhere Nov 16 15:29:19 anyway* Nov 16 18:34:36 jkridner-web: ping Nov 16 18:45:07 mranostay: pong Nov 16 18:46:37 jkridner-web: so i have a few questions about the cape contest Nov 16 18:46:55 shoot Nov 16 18:47:25 jkridner-web: does it have to be a final design or a working prototype 'good enough'? Nov 16 18:47:41 working prototype is plenty good enough... Nov 16 18:48:06 how far along it is will be part of the judging, but it doesn't have to be final. Nov 16 18:48:18 it doesn't even need to be working. Nov 16 18:48:23 hehe Nov 16 18:48:43 or have software? :P Nov 16 18:48:48 :) Nov 16 18:49:00 it is the idea that is most important... Nov 16 18:49:22 and some motivation to work with CircuitCo to push it across the finish line. Nov 16 18:49:49 GeigerCape would be a good submission. Nov 16 18:50:06 especially since it does have some software. Nov 16 18:50:52 "it's just software (tm)" Nov 16 18:52:40 * jkridner-web reads http://beagleboard.org/capeContest/legal Nov 16 18:54:36 jkridner-web: aha rule #33 Nov 16 18:55:26 alan_o: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13825348@N03/8187528491/in/set-72157632014371035/ Nov 16 18:56:33 koen: ever talk to him? Nov 16 18:56:37 He's way cool. Nov 16 18:56:43 never talked to bdale Nov 16 18:56:47 good find... Nov 16 18:56:51 He's got to have 6 inches on me. Nov 16 18:56:54 what I meant to say was "Where an entry is submitted by two or more contributors, this fact must be disclosed in the entry form. Any prizes will be awarded to the contributors jointly and severally, who will be responsible for dividing the prize among themselves. If there is a dispute regarding the identity of the entrant, the Sponsors reserve the right to deem the account holder of the e-mail address as the entrant." Nov 16 18:58:49 koen, bdale's fun to talk to Nov 16 19:00:30 jkridner-web: although "bill of materials (BOM) in Excel format with manufacturer part numbers and reference designators. BOM must not exceed $60" :) Nov 16 19:00:49 the tube is $70 :) Nov 16 19:01:05 yeah. :-| Nov 16 19:01:09 the tube can be a user addition Nov 16 19:01:21 buy the cape without the tube, customize it with your own! Nov 16 19:01:41 I'd still enter it, though I think CCo doesn't want to commit to that much money up-front for the winners... Nov 16 19:01:42 Russ: we were thinking that actually Nov 16 19:01:53 dm8tbr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13825348@N03/8188770546/in/set-72157632014371035/ Nov 16 19:01:57 At least I suspect that is part of the reason for the $60 limit... Nov 16 19:02:14 so no $6000 FPGA cape? :) Nov 16 19:02:25 I think it is also just where they think the market is for capes. Nov 16 19:03:10 I was thinking that having the tube be a user-provided addition would be a fair idea as well Nov 16 19:03:25 the cape is just the interface Nov 16 19:09:00 koen: yup, that's my colleague mikel, kevlin from LF and leftmost some unknown guy Nov 16 19:10:02 mranostay: I thought you said at your talk that the tubes were like 400? Nov 16 19:10:09 Was that the Soviet tubes? Nov 16 19:10:15 What did I get confused with Nov 16 19:10:33 alan_o: volts :) Nov 16 19:10:44 ahh... Nov 16 19:10:46 probably :) Nov 16 19:10:46 alan_o: $70-$90 Nov 16 19:11:03 the soviet tube was $40-60 Nov 16 19:11:18 Well that changes the whole equation... I want a geiger cape now :) Nov 16 19:11:23 jkridner-web: fwiw, I'm trying to get digikey to carry the tube, sparkfun already has it Nov 16 19:23:31 koen: at a nice markup :) Nov 16 19:27:40 that's how they roll Nov 16 19:33:26 alan_o, you now qualify as a "famous IRC person" Nov 16 19:34:06 we should trick jkridner-web into more quotes at the next ELC Nov 16 19:34:37 koen, you mean troll him into gold quotes? Nov 16 19:36:05 exactly! Nov 16 19:36:10 koen, do a session on raspberrypi...we will monitor jkridner-web's perspiration and heartrate during it in realtime with some bad-ass rockstar node.js-based collection/display Nov 16 19:36:37 * jkridner-web wonders how many times jkridner has struck 26+26=54 gold Nov 16 19:36:55 mranostay, submit this as a BorisCape to the contest..this is my last free idea Nov 16 19:37:04 heheheheheh Nov 16 19:37:12 only once Nov 16 19:37:17 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/45 Nov 16 19:37:20 gold, I tell you Nov 16 19:37:42 you only need one Nov 16 19:38:36 * jkridner-web feels proud! Nov 16 19:38:37 tell that to av500 Nov 16 19:39:27 that's an awesome freakin' quote if I dare say myself. ;) Nov 16 19:39:50 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/131 Nov 16 19:40:09 <_av500_> ? Nov 16 19:41:50 jkridner-web: you did just fine...but what have you done for me lately? Nov 16 19:45:01 mdp: no but i learned mru is a C99 manual Nov 16 19:51:24 <_av500_> indeed Nov 16 19:52:26 c99>ada95 Nov 16 19:54:55 <_av500_> mdp: that's no way to treat a ldy Nov 16 19:54:58 <_av500_> lady* Nov 16 19:55:42 it's simple math, sorry lady Nov 16 19:55:58 <_av500_> but .. but ... Nov 16 19:56:07 gah usb 1.1 strikes again Nov 16 19:56:13 <_av500_> hard I hope Nov 16 19:58:35 * mdp wonders if synopsys xHCI is going to be the new whipping boy Nov 16 19:59:08 sUSB Nov 16 19:59:23 I wonder how soon someone is going to call it suck usb Nov 16 19:59:42 <_av500_> koen: usb has suck already in the name Nov 16 20:01:40 _av500_: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13825348@N03/8187695885/ Nov 16 20:02:03 just abandon USB Nov 16 20:03:05 http://undutchables.com/ Nov 16 20:04:21 ds2, if I had signoff on new parts they wouldn't go anywhere with USB on them ;) this is why I'm powerless ;) Nov 16 20:05:00 USB is a horrible standard Nov 16 20:05:23 mdp: that's on the lower level... the upper level stuff has been so badly bastardized Nov 16 20:05:23 ds2, 'standard' Nov 16 20:12:39 _av500_: love the Android is Linux shirt! Nov 16 20:13:08 I want to send a pic of it to Bill Mills. Nov 16 20:21:01 hello Nov 16 20:22:06 :) Nov 16 20:22:28 Hi, I am looking to evaluate if beaglebone can do what I want, has anyone have any experiance trying serve a network request of reading a file from the a USB attached HDD? WHats the performance I can expect? Can it go the full 100Mbps? Nov 16 20:22:37 (same Q for writing) Nov 16 20:23:07 no Nov 16 20:23:32 mdp, what can I expect? Nov 16 20:24:40 you won't get linespeed Nov 16 20:24:49 best to just test it...easy test Nov 16 20:24:52 I have a prolem letting win XP recognising the beaglebone Nov 16 20:25:19 donovan, have you tried relaxing? Nov 16 20:25:48 mdp, no beagle around here. :) I am at the stage of trying to understand which ARM based system can do what I want :) Nov 16 20:26:00 hmmm, thats a good suggetion ! it's friday at last :) Nov 16 20:26:35 Does anyone has a number he can share? (again reading from a USB disk and servinga network request or vice versa) Nov 16 20:26:57 donovan, have you already exhausted this thread? Nov 16 20:26:59 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/FlFYX3XPbO4/XdiTtv5J2fcJ Nov 16 20:27:14 and before that, this page? Nov 16 20:27:15 let me check Russ... Nov 16 20:27:15 http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm Nov 16 20:34:24 * donovan is sill reading Ross' links ... Nov 16 20:41:44 russ not ross Nov 16 20:41:48 thats someone else Nov 16 20:42:53 woglinde: it is only a vowel Nov 16 20:43:07 those are expensive! Nov 16 20:44:41 i'd like to solve Nov 16 21:08:09 g'night all Nov 16 21:13:15 * donovan needs to reboot... bbl Nov 16 21:13:32 latrezzz Nov 17 01:58:04 hi emeb_mac-ster Nov 17 01:58:17 hola mranostay Nov 17 01:58:22 how goes the FPGA cape Nov 17 01:58:45 made some progress on getting the kernel spi going. Hope to get some time with it this weekend. Nov 17 02:00:08 yeah doing some spi this weekend hopefully Nov 17 02:00:34 a little more room for error with my use :) Nov 17 02:00:39 oh? Nov 17 02:01:55 using a 4-wire shift register basically Nov 17 02:02:00 high voltage one Nov 17 02:03:36 fun - for your vacuum fluorescent display? Nov 17 02:09:57 yeah Nov 17 02:16:44 need to confirm if my boost converter is going into discontinous mode... Nov 17 02:18:54 boost converter - feh. You should build your own with PWM and a FET. Nov 17 02:19:34 that is what it is doing Nov 17 02:20:12 * mranostay really would love to know what the ext2 driver in old u-boot versions is doing Nov 17 02:52:17 Now with a Haskell module. https://github.com/ion1/beagle_bone_pins Nov 17 02:52:18 λ> lookup BB_P8_6 Sig_gpio1_3 Nov 17 02:52:20 Just (BBPin {bbpId = BB_P8_6, bbpName = "GPIO1_3", bbpMPUPinId = Just MPU_GPMC_AD3},MPUPin {mpId = MPU_GPMC_AD3, mpLinuxName = Just "gpmc_ad3", mpSignals = fromList [(Sig_gpio1_3,MPUPinSignal {mpsMode = Just 7, mpsSignalId = Sig_gpio1_3}),(Sig_gpmc_ad3,MPUPinSignal {mpsMode = Just 0, mpsSignalId = Sig_gpmc_ad3}),(Sig_mmc1_dat3,MPUPinSignal {mpsMode = Just 1, mpsSignalId = Sig_mmc1_dat3})]},MPUPinSignal Nov 17 02:52:22 {mpsMode = Just 7, mpsSignalId = Sig_gpio1_3},Signal {sId = Sig_gpio1_3, sType = IO, sGPIONum = Just 35, sLinuxPWMName = Nothing}) Nov 17 02:57:06 I’m meaning to generate JavaScript, Python and Ruby modules as well. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 17 03:00:00 2012