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Nov 18 03:10:21 <mranostay> i'm not saying anything in here :)
Nov 18 03:11:38 <prpplague> mranostay: hehe wise move, hehe
Nov 18 03:14:00 <JViz> why not?
Nov 18 03:14:13 <JViz> do you work for Ti?
Nov 18 03:17:28 <mranostay> surprisingly no :)
Nov 18 03:38:10 <Russ> mranostay, if you got a fake name badge, and walked around the building, I'm sure no one would look twice
Nov 18 03:41:26 <prpplague> just use a few buzz words with people passing in the hallway
Nov 18 03:42:10 <Russ> wonder how far you could troll with that
Nov 18 03:42:26 <Russ> c'mon chase, you know matt, he's work here for a couple years now
Nov 18 03:44:46 <prpplague> Russ: of course, security might be concerned with the fact that there is actually _someone_ in the halls soon
Nov 18 03:44:55 <ion> Remember to carry a paper file with you so you look like you’re supposed to be walking in there.
Nov 18 03:45:15 <Russ> who carries papers around offices these days?
Nov 18 03:47:08 <Russ> btw, I was I home depot today, the philips l-prize bulbs are down to $20
Nov 18 05:49:16 <ka6sox> Russ 1-prize?
Nov 18 05:50:28 <Russ> L
Nov 18 05:50:47 <Russ> 10 watt 60 watt equivalent led bulb
Nov 18 06:12:35 <ka6sox> Russ, got URL?
Nov 18 06:14:21 <Russ> http://www.amazon.com/Philips-423244-10-Watt-60-Watt-L-Prize/dp/B007RKVT4C
Nov 18 06:16:18 <Russ> its nice that it's fully dimmable and has really good color rendering, it sucks that it buzzes a little
Nov 18 07:43:54 <mranostay> i swear people can't handle rain in CA
Nov 18 07:44:54 <dm8tbr> I guess snow would be hilarious then
Nov 18 07:47:33 <mranostay> oh god
Nov 18 07:47:51 <mranostay> these people would need a snow endorsement on the license
Nov 18 07:48:50 <mranostay> dm8tbr: they drive in rain like i would in 6 inchs of snow on the road :)
Nov 18 08:36:08 <JViz> is there anyway to control the pullup bit of a GPIO from C? i've been noticing that some mode7 pins work and some don't, even if they have the same settings, what's up with that? and how come there are a ton of GPIOs in the omap mux that don't have any corresponding pin on the header? there are way more pins on the cpu than on the header, and they just default to mode 7?
Nov 18 08:38:28 <JViz> is it the active_low path for the pullup?
Nov 18 08:39:14 <JViz> ah, yes
Nov 18 08:46:19 <KotH> JViz: stupid question: but isnt it obvious why not all gpio pins are connected to the header pins?
Nov 18 08:48:37 <JViz> KotH, i think so, but I'm fishing
Nov 18 08:54:22 <_av500_> there are always the schematics to look at
Nov 18 08:54:40 <JViz> yeah...
Nov 18 08:54:52 <KotH> that would involve reading and understanding of complicated diagrams with lots of lines
Nov 18 08:55:29 <JViz> it's really just a simple question, with an answer that i probably already knew, like KotH suggested
Nov 18 08:56:19 <JViz> sometimes I get unexpected information in the answers, so it seems like it can't hurt to ask
Nov 18 08:56:27 <KotH> JViz: note that not everyone knows the beagle* from heart, especially not where each and every pin is connected to
Nov 18 08:56:54 <KotH> JViz: unlike with PC development, when you work on a embedded system, you do want to have the schematics at hand all the time
Nov 18 08:57:22 <KotH> JViz: the rest is just writing the correct DT and driver code
Nov 18 09:06:12 <mranostay> hi KotH!
Nov 18 09:06:22 <mranostay> do i look like a TRM?
Nov 18 09:06:25 <KotH> grüezi mranostay
Nov 18 09:06:33 <KotH> mranostay: no, but av500 does
Nov 18 09:06:51 <Russ> mranostay, you do seem a bit thick
Nov 18 09:08:36 * mranostay steps on scale
Nov 18 09:08:40 <mranostay> only 160
Nov 18 09:08:58 <Russ> that's about how much the TRM weighs
Nov 18 09:09:15 <KotH> 160kg?
Nov 18 09:09:19 <KotH> that's HEAVY!
Nov 18 09:09:29 <Russ> this is 'merica!
Nov 18 09:09:48 <KotH> oh.. sorry, i forgot that you measure everything with your feet
Nov 18 09:09:49 <Russ> hogsheads and pounds here
Nov 18 09:13:58 <KotH> Russ: what's the time frame for the US to drop their old measurement system and join the rest of the world?
Nov 18 09:16:30 <dm8tbr> officially they did, just someone forgot to tell the people
Nov 18 09:34:29 <_av500_> KotH: a manned mars mission to go wrong
Nov 18 09:35:43 <woglinde> av500 wrong tools for repairing?
Nov 18 09:36:07 <_av500_> woglinde: well, they slammed a probe into mars due to some conflicting measurement
Nov 18 09:36:22 <_av500_> dont want that to happen to that celebrity crew
Nov 18 09:36:54 <_av500_> they can always take a monkey wrench
Nov 18 09:36:59 <koen> oh dear
Nov 18 09:37:02 <koen> "embedded udev"
Nov 18 09:37:03 <KotH> they slammed it into ground, because part of the work was done by a european contractor who did everything in SI units, then converted it to feet... the nasa later converted the data again to feet, to scramble all the data :)
Nov 18 09:37:12 <koen> name suggested by a ubuntu developer
Nov 18 09:37:19 <koen> this gets better and better
Nov 18 09:37:29 <_av500_> would it not be umbuddud uduv thaen?
Nov 18 09:37:31 <KotH> koen: it's embedded in the system
Nov 18 09:37:39 <_av500_> koen: where?
Nov 18 09:38:00 <_av500_> umbuddudu
Nov 18 09:38:05 <dm8tbr> why not embedd udev in the kernel while they're at it...
Nov 18 09:38:06 <koen> https://github.com/gentoo/eudev
Nov 18 09:38:18 <_av500_> dm8tbr: it will be
Nov 18 09:38:19 <koen> _av500_: eudev is what udev-ng was yesterday
Nov 18 09:38:28 <_av500_> with the systemd merge
Nov 18 09:38:44 <_av500_> after all pid 1 belongs into kernel space
Nov 18 09:38:47 <koen> dm8tbr: funny, the kernel was devtmpfs, so far what most people use 'udev' for, it's already in the kernel :)
Nov 18 09:38:50 <dm8tbr> _av500_: after LP ousts Linux as the kernel lead?
Nov 18 09:39:01 <koen> s/was/has/
Nov 18 09:39:20 <dm8tbr> s/Linux/Linus/
Nov 18 09:39:41 <_av500_> do I look like sed to you?
Nov 18 09:40:44 <KotH> why dont we just go back an reintroduce devfs?
Nov 18 09:40:46 <_av500_> i dont see anything in udev that gconf could not handle.....
Nov 18 09:40:49 <KotH> it did work fine after all! :)
Nov 18 09:40:55 <_av500_> so whats the fuzz
Nov 18 09:46:31 <_av500_> koen: did you spot felipe these?
Nov 18 09:46:34 <_av500_> there*
Nov 18 09:48:11 <koen> _av500_: where?
Nov 18 09:58:23 <_av500_> https://github.com/gentoo/eudev/commit/b0d2945b5b387feea20c43f74914177c4f74f1ed
Nov 18 10:09:05 <KotH> who is that?
Nov 18 10:23:02 <muhoo> something that weighs 20 stone
Nov 18 10:32:40 <KotH> can someone explain me why everyone thinks that apple is innovative?
Nov 18 10:34:54 <dm8tbr> marketing
Nov 18 10:35:54 <KotH> marketing cannot explain how an attribute comes out of thin air, especially if this attributed by intelligent people
Nov 18 10:47:01 <koen> KotH: maybe because of all the copycats?
Nov 18 10:58:38 <KotH> koen: i dont see much copying either
Nov 18 11:01:00 <KotH> koen: the two good ideas that apple had was using a big screen as control for the whole phone (and i'm not sure whether they didnt actually copy that from someone else) and using a gui design that fits this new user interface and connects people in a more concrete way to what they are doing
Nov 18 11:01:20 <KotH> everything else is just product design
Nov 18 11:01:27 <KotH> and they are not very innovative at that...
Nov 18 11:31:03 <koen> mru: avresample is 0.9.x only, right?
Nov 18 11:31:21 <mru> there is no 0.9
Nov 18 11:31:44 <koen> KotH: I think it's being perceived as first and then seeing every cheap china shop making knockoffs
Nov 18 11:31:51 <koen> mru: master branch
Nov 18 11:32:04 <koen> mru: I have trouble finding it in releases/0.8 :)
Nov 18 11:32:42 <koen> google leads me to some 5 year old moaning about ffmtech sponsoring
Nov 18 11:32:47 <mru> KotH: apple were not the first to make a touchscreen phone
Nov 18 11:33:05 <mru> they were the first to make a popular one
Nov 18 11:33:11 <mru> possibly also the first usable one
Nov 18 11:33:56 <mru> koen: then I guess it's not there
Nov 18 11:34:13 <koen> mru: ok, thanks
Nov 18 11:34:33 <mru> git says it was added after 0.8
Nov 18 11:34:59 * koen stabs xbmc again
Nov 18 11:35:11 <mru> there's something we agree on
Nov 18 11:35:50 <koen> I'm tempted to just roll back to frodo
Nov 18 11:35:55 <koen> that one at least crosscompiles
Nov 18 11:37:05 <koen> I just git cloned libav
Nov 18 11:37:14 <koen> and did ./configure && make && make install
Nov 18 11:37:20 <koen> and it just fucking worked
Nov 18 11:37:34 <mru> that's how we roll
Nov 18 11:37:38 <koen> yes
Nov 18 11:37:48 <koen> but all the other "multimedia" project aren't like that
Nov 18 11:37:56 <mru> s/multimedia//
Nov 18 12:33:03 <KotH> mru: yappari
Nov 18 12:33:10 <mru> ?
Nov 18 12:33:12 <KotH> koen: not every project has an mru
Nov 18 12:33:20 <KotH> mru: japanese for "thought so"
Nov 18 12:45:18 <_av500_> KotH: at least they are very successful at not being innovative
Nov 18 12:45:31 <_av500_> thats innovation too maybe
Nov 18 12:46:01 <mru> they innovate in litigation techniques
Nov 18 12:46:27 <_av500_> no
Nov 18 12:46:33 <_av500_> not even that
Nov 18 12:47:34 <_av500_> in the end, the iphone was just the most successful of all the many touchscreen only smartphone that came out at the same time because the idea was so obvious
Nov 18 12:48:02 <mru> apple did one thing right back then compared to some others
Nov 18 12:48:17 <mru> they limited the functionality to what could be done smoothly on the hardware available
Nov 18 12:48:48 <mru> especially the winphones tried to cram way too much onto too small a device
Nov 18 12:48:49 <_av500_> and cared about the overall experience of the user
Nov 18 12:48:54 <_av500_> same as for ipod
Nov 18 12:49:09 <_av500_> ever used nokia sync sw?
Nov 18 12:49:18 <mru> no
Nov 18 12:49:21 <_av500_> good
Nov 18 12:49:23 <mru> tried once, didn't work
Nov 18 12:49:26 <mru> thus not used
Nov 18 12:49:49 <KotH> _av500_: used once, to get the data out of my last nokia phone
Nov 18 12:50:00 <_av500_> :)
Nov 18 12:50:32 <mru> I think I actually managed to bluetooth the contact list to the android phone
Nov 18 12:50:50 <_av500_> my contacts and the grainy vga camera pics are still "trapped" inside my nokia
Nov 18 12:50:56 <_av500_> TRAPPED!
Nov 18 12:51:25 <mru> my nokia has an sd card so there's always that option to get stuff off it
Nov 18 13:40:47 <koen> wtf
Nov 18 13:40:52 <koen> xbmc needs java?!?!?
Nov 18 13:44:06 <w|zzy> bull?
Nov 18 13:44:15 <w|zzy> thats ridiculous
Nov 18 13:44:33 <koen> Checking for a jre installation
Nov 18 13:44:34 <koen> checking for java... none
Nov 18 13:44:34 <koen> configure: error: Could not find a required program. Please see the README for your platform.
Nov 18 13:44:37 <koen> root@fri2:/usr/src/xbmc#
Nov 18 13:44:57 <w|zzy> damn. Wonder what part of it.
Nov 18 13:45:55 <mru> probably some highly optional part that you'd never, ever end up needing
Nov 18 13:47:33 <w|zzy> yeah
Nov 18 13:48:36 <dm8tbr> configure --disable-all-obscure-cruft
Nov 18 13:54:20 * koen runs git blame
Nov 18 13:56:07 <mru> ln -s /bin/true java
Nov 18 13:56:44 <koen> it checks for output
Nov 18 13:56:48 <koen> I tried that already :)
Nov 18 13:56:59 <mru> then fake the output it wants
Nov 18 13:57:15 <_av500_> koen: fork the project and remove that complex stuff
Nov 18 13:57:19 <_av500_> uxbmc
Nov 18 13:57:26 <_av500_> er, exbmc
Nov 18 13:58:08 <koen> exbmc-ng 2000
Nov 18 13:58:23 * koen hugs git grep
Nov 18 13:58:57 <koen> JAVA_EXE is not used at all according to git grep
Nov 18 13:59:03 * koen follows _av500_s advice
Nov 18 13:59:18 * _av500_ suspects its just one more buzzword for xbmc t-shirts
Nov 18 14:00:42 <koen>   External FFmpeg:	Yes
Nov 18 14:00:52 <koen> it's up to make now
Nov 18 14:08:40 <_av500_> just turn of the targeting computer and use the force
Nov 18 15:41:35 <_av500_> the entertainment value here is low today!
Nov 18 15:41:39 <_av500_> try harder!
Nov 18 16:05:59 <KotH> _av500_: you could start with explaining me why the usians feel so insecure about their government and their "democracy"
Nov 18 16:09:26 <_av500_> oh my
Nov 18 16:12:49 <emeb_mac> why would _av500_ know about that?
Nov 18 16:13:08 <mru> he could guess
Nov 18 16:13:16 <mru> after all, that's what we do here
Nov 18 16:13:27 <emeb_mac> but it's professional guessing.
Nov 18 16:14:48 <_av500_> KotH: basically "democracy" is for whimps
Nov 18 16:15:54 * KotH feels like whimp
Nov 18 16:16:31 <emeb_mac> what kind of "cracy" does the Ãœbermensch subscribe to?
Nov 18 16:16:53 <mru> überocracy
Nov 18 16:17:27 <emeb_mac> sounds like a medical condition
Nov 18 16:17:53 <mru> related to megalomania?
Nov 18 16:18:35 <emeb_mac> same thing we do every day pinky.
Nov 18 21:24:35 <mru> lol, shitty tv show episodes set in sweden are always hilarious
Nov 18 21:25:19 <mru> hint: don't put US-style power sockets on a set supposed to be a house in sweden
Nov 18 21:27:40 <dm8tbr> also all those people speaking accent free english...
Nov 18 21:28:24 <mru> well, I could just about accept the people they're meeting being fluent in english
Nov 18 21:28:36 <mru> it's the absolutely rubbish _swedish_ that's really funny
Nov 18 21:28:36 <woglinde> mru where are you?
Nov 18 21:28:45 <mru> woglinde: I'm swedish
Nov 18 21:28:57 <mru> don't live there though
Nov 18 21:28:57 <woglinde> ah okay
Nov 18 21:29:10 <dm8tbr> oh yeah the 'gibberish local speak' in all its absurd forms...
Nov 18 21:29:50 <mru> the episode I was watching just now at least managed to get some shots from the right airport
Nov 18 21:30:15 <dm8tbr> not a TV series, but I have to commend 'iron sky' for getting all their stuff right in that respect
Nov 18 21:30:47 <mru> something I saw once had hilariously misspelled signs throughout stockholm
Nov 18 22:06:47 <mranostay> mru: you guys have TV?
Nov 18 22:07:01 <mru> who guys?
Nov 18 22:07:01 <mranostay> dm8tbr: accent free English?
Nov 18 22:07:23 <mranostay> Swedish tv programs
Nov 18 22:07:50 <mru> I'm talking about american tv shows with the odd episode for whatever reason set in stockholm
Nov 18 22:08:17 <mru> swedish shows tend to get the details of being in sweden right
Nov 18 22:08:23 <mranostay> good point
Nov 18 22:08:28 <mru> perhaps because they film in sweden with swedish actors...
Nov 18 22:08:46 <mranostay> then they aren't expecting OCD nerds looking over the set :)
Nov 18 22:09:01 <mru> I'm talking about _glaring_ errors
Nov 18 22:09:40 <mru> I didn't say anything about the light switches being of a style never found in sweden
Nov 18 22:09:50 <mru> but quite common in the us
Nov 18 22:10:09 <mru> getting the power sockets wrong is just unforgivable
Nov 18 22:17:51 <mranostay> the humanity
Nov 18 22:22:05 <emeb_mac> mru: which show?
Nov 18 22:22:20 <mru> I've seen it in many
Nov 18 22:22:30 <mru> can't remember the names of all
Nov 18 22:22:37 <mranostay> how often is Sweden in the part of a US TV show?
Nov 18 22:22:40 <emeb_mac> can't recall that many US shows set in sweden.
Nov 18 22:22:49 <mru> emeb_mac: not entire shows
Nov 18 22:23:00 <mranostay> emeb_mac: i can't think of any parts even
Nov 18 22:23:01 <mru> but once in a while there's the odd episode
Nov 18 22:23:20 <emeb_mac> mru: OK - just episodes or segments.
Nov 18 22:23:55 <emeb_mac> abut the only shows I've seen lately are the Branagh Wallanders
Nov 18 22:24:09 <emeb_mac> but I don't think those are US produced.
Nov 18 22:24:19 <mranostay> the what what?
Nov 18 22:24:20 <mru> the original is swedish, then there's a us knockoff
Nov 18 22:24:48 <mru> made it through half the first episode of the swedish one before turning it off
Nov 18 22:25:24 <emeb_mac> they did a recent ep in Riga, Latvia which was really shot in Riga. At least looked like the Riga I remember.
Nov 18 22:26:17 <mranostay> mru: Sweden isn't in the EU correct?
Nov 18 22:26:21 <mru> it is
Nov 18 22:26:26 <mru> but not the euro
Nov 18 22:27:24 <mranostay> mru: good bet there atm :)
Nov 18 22:27:38 <mru> you know how when introducing a city they usually show some footage of the skyline with a caption before getting to the action?
Nov 18 22:28:07 <mranostay> yes
Nov 18 22:28:10 <mru> I once saw a scene like that for barcelona, except the footage they showed was clearly stockholm
Nov 18 22:28:30 <emeb_mac> those europeans - all look the same.
Nov 18 22:28:47 <mru> barcelona and stockholm don't look particularly alike
Nov 18 22:29:03 <mranostay> do the 5 minute sun test
Nov 18 22:29:03 <emeb_mac> speaking gobbledygook moon-man languages. All those old buildings.
Nov 18 22:29:24 <mranostay> emeb_mac: spanish is easy compared to Swedish :)
Nov 18 22:29:43 <mru> depends on what you already speak
Nov 18 22:29:50 <emeb_mac> should just tear 'em down and put in some nice freeways and housing developments. Name 'em "San - something"
Nov 18 22:30:10 <mru> emeb_mac: why? we already have california for that
Nov 18 22:30:27 <mru> oh wait, you said _nice_ freeways
Nov 18 22:30:38 <emeb_mac> mru: there's not enough california in the world. It must creep in everywhere like mold.
Nov 18 22:31:37 * emeb_mac is showing his cynicism today.
Nov 18 22:31:59 <mru> you call that cynicism?
Nov 18 22:32:19 <emeb_mac> I'm sure there are those who could out-do me on that.
Nov 18 22:33:12 <mranostay> heh
Nov 18 22:35:16 <emeb_mac> Americans aren't too picky on foreign locations. We've been told for years that various parts of Vancouver, BC are, well, pretty much everywhere.
Nov 18 22:35:27 <mranostay> mru: oh right it was Norway that is the weird non-EU country
Nov 18 22:35:41 <mru> mranostay: and switzerland
Nov 18 22:36:03 <mranostay> well that one is understandable
Nov 18 22:36:09 <emeb_mac> probably both pretty smug these days.
Nov 18 22:36:43 <mru> emeb_mac: I'm fine with filming somewhere other than the actual location if it looks plausible given the script
Nov 18 22:37:05 <mru> like if a scene is in a forest, it doesn't really matter what forest you film it in
Nov 18 22:37:22 <mru> if the vegetation is roughly the correct one
Nov 18 22:37:34 <mranostay> ah part of the schengen area even
Nov 18 22:37:50 <mru> both norway and switzerland are part of that
Nov 18 22:38:00 <mru> as well as the EEA
Nov 18 22:38:47 <mranostay> EEA?
Nov 18 22:38:54 <mru> european economic area
Nov 18 22:39:00 <mranostay> ah right
Nov 18 22:39:01 <mru> a "free" trade thing
Nov 18 22:39:20 <mranostay> mru: i like the term 'free' in free trade :)
Nov 18 22:42:29 <mranostay> mru: so what is there to see in Stockholm?
Nov 18 22:42:41 <mru> girls!
Nov 18 22:44:18 <mranostay> are they different than any other city i've been too?
Nov 18 22:44:31 <mru> they're swedish for the most part
Nov 18 22:49:08 <woglinde> swedish girls are all blond
Nov 18 22:49:14 <mru> that's a lie
Nov 18 22:49:20 <woglinde> ;)
Nov 18 22:49:51 <woglinde> than good nite
Nov 18 22:51:06 <thurbad> heh
Nov 18 22:51:30 <thurbad> the non blondes were plunder :P
Nov 18 22:51:48 <mru> that was over 1000 years ago
Nov 18 22:51:56 <mru> I think they're rather assimilated by now
Nov 18 22:52:03 <thurbad> but you did't deny it :)
Nov 18 22:52:11 <thurbad> lamo
Nov 18 22:52:27 <thurbad> just pulling your leg anyway
Nov 18 22:52:43 <mru> for all I know they were
Nov 19 00:04:39 <mranostay> why does DT gpio numbering start at 1 for the bone?
Nov 19 00:04:58 <mranostay> kinda annoying to remember to add one to every bank number
Nov 19 01:56:21 <CareBear\> mranostay : Norway has oil, they don't need the euro
Nov 19 01:56:27 <CareBear\> or the EU
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