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Nov 20 04:01:43 <johnny_jones> hi wow there is a great irc channel for this?
Nov 20 04:02:55 <johnny_jones> anyone here? -_-
Nov 20 04:03:56 <emeb_mac> nah - completely empty
Nov 20 04:04:22 <emeb_mac> (most of the folks here are asleep now)
Nov 20 04:05:11 <johnny_jones> oh noes :(
Nov 20 04:05:19 <johnny_jones> i was hoping to get some advice or something
Nov 20 04:05:30 <johnny_jones> on selecting a board... i like beagle but feel it might break the budget
Nov 20 04:06:18 <thurbad> what do you plan to do with it?
Nov 20 04:06:31 <johnny_jones> simple-intermediate computer vision
Nov 20 04:06:40 <johnny_jones> autonomous robot car using image processing
Nov 20 04:07:34 <johnny_jones> i have decent background in FPGAs
Nov 20 04:08:11 <johnny_jones> but this level is a little new to me
Nov 20 04:11:02 <johnny_jones> i would just get the beagleboard but someone convinced me on a sub 50-100 solution
Nov 20 04:12:16 <johnny_jones> basically i would like something easy to build
Nov 20 04:12:29 <johnny_jones> someone suggested to me an ARM based development board
Nov 20 04:12:51 <johnny_jones> do all of these have OS?
Nov 20 04:12:58 <johnny_jones> im thinking linux or android
Nov 20 04:12:59 <thurbad> the beaglebone may work for you as well if you don't need graphics capablities
Nov 20 04:13:15 <johnny_jones> graphics capabilities?
Nov 20 04:14:15 <thurbad> the beagle boards have 3d gles on chip, as well as display ports
Nov 20 04:14:29 <thurbad> the bone is more stripped down
Nov 20 04:14:59 <johnny_jones> sorry what is a 3d gles?
Nov 20 04:15:10 <johnny_jones> i would like to be able to probe the image signal
Nov 20 04:15:13 <thurbad> embedded version of open gl
Nov 20 04:15:19 <johnny_jones> this can be done through usb port?
Nov 20 04:15:53 <thurbad> yeah you need a webcam input, not sure if you want output as well
Nov 20 04:16:03 <johnny_jones> i would like output yes
Nov 20 04:16:10 <johnny_jones> at least during development
Nov 20 04:16:31 <johnny_jones> also do I need openCL?
Nov 20 04:17:23 <johnny_jones> so i see beaglebone has usb and ethernet ports one of each
Nov 20 08:01:06 <av500> πiε
Nov 20 08:15:06 <_sundar_> ꞂꞆꞍ
Nov 20 08:20:20 * av500 watches the cable guy check the cable
Nov 20 08:22:51 <dm8tbr> how's jim carrey doing?
Nov 20 08:25:39 <av500> waiting for him to don the mask
Nov 20 08:42:25 <john_jones> hi
Nov 20 08:42:28 <john_jones> anyone here?
Nov 20 08:42:44 <john_jones> i would like to know a cheap solution please, to solve this problem: stream usb webcam over wifi
Nov 20 08:43:17 <john_jones> on a mobile system
Nov 20 08:44:39 <john_jones> hello? darn internet..
Nov 20 08:44:50 <john_jones> just cut out
Nov 20 08:45:40 <john_jones> hi
Nov 20 08:45:45 <john_jones> can i ask you somethin?
Nov 20 08:45:55 <john_jones> shoragan?
Nov 20 08:46:02 <shoragan> hi
Nov 20 08:46:10 <john_jones> usb camera on my robot
Nov 20 08:46:25 <john_jones> wish to send signal through wifi, process it on a pc and send signal back
Nov 20 08:46:41 <john_jones> what is a cheap solution?
Nov 20 08:46:42 <john_jones> any ideas?
Nov 20 08:47:37 <shoragan> which resolution, framerate?
Nov 20 08:47:37 <ynezz> yes, use google
Nov 20 08:47:49 <LetoThe2nd> buy a wifi camera.
Nov 20 08:47:57 <john_jones> wifi camera are expensive around 80
Nov 20 08:48:08 <ynezz> there's already such solution, RC car with webcam + BB
Nov 20 08:48:11 <shoragan> you won't be able to build it for less
Nov 20 08:48:15 <ynezz> even with the source code
Nov 20 08:48:15 <john_jones> im not sure the resolution yet, i don't expect i would need more than 640x480
Nov 20 08:48:27 <john_jones> i would not like much latency on the data transfer as i need to image process and reply also
Nov 20 08:48:28 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: and a beaglebone alsop is, so the beagle is certainly more expensive. so what do you expect from this channel?!?
Nov 20 08:49:02 <ynezz> john_jones: 3seconds with google http://veter-project.blogspot.cz/2011/11/how-to-build-beagleboard-based-wifi.html
Nov 20 08:49:08 <john_jones> also, i don't like the form of the wifi cameras i have looked at
Nov 20 08:49:18 <john_jones> but, i guess mechanical workaround is possible...
Nov 20 08:49:18 <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: BUT IT IS EXPENSIVE!!!
Nov 20 08:49:25 <ynezz> it is?
Nov 20 08:49:32 <LetoThe2nd> CERTAINLY!
Nov 20 08:49:39 <john_jones> i like beagle, i may purchase... but 125 for this function seems overdoing it
Nov 20 08:49:51 <ynezz> what's expensive there? the beers consumed during development? :p
Nov 20 08:50:01 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: again, so what do you expect from us, the beagle duscussion channel?
Nov 20 08:50:19 <john_jones> ok sorry
Nov 20 08:50:20 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: to make up for your unwilingness to spend money and/or lazyness?
Nov 20 08:50:25 <john_jones> i have nowhere to turn lol
Nov 20 08:50:39 <john_jones> i just thought i could use a 50 dollar chip or something
Nov 20 08:50:44 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: sorry bro, your problem. not ours. come back if you are willing to use a beagle.
Nov 20 08:51:19 <john_jones> sheesh
Nov 20 08:51:32 <ynezz> other than that, /join #rpi
Nov 20 08:51:59 <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: was just about to say that. very good point.
Nov 20 08:52:03 <ynezz> but it might be too cheap :p
Nov 20 08:52:10 <john_jones> rpi?
Nov 20 08:52:25 <ynezz> oh, you live in a cage?
Nov 20 08:52:30 <john_jones> um
Nov 20 08:52:45 <ynezz> every child on the block here knows what rpi is
Nov 20 08:52:57 <john_jones> uh ok
Nov 20 08:53:12 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: yeah, its kind of a 50$ chip they put onto a 40$ pcb and sell for 30$ because its worth less then 20$ and i would not even take it if they give me 10$ together with it.
Nov 20 08:53:13 <ynezz> the best, the cheapest, the rpi!
Nov 20 08:53:50 <john_jones> ?
Nov 20 08:53:58 <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: your turn to come up with a sentence that incorporates the numbers 0$ and -10$...
Nov 20 08:54:02 <john_jones> i read a few times looking for sequential logic, detected none
Nov 20 08:54:12 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: just google "raspberry pi"
Nov 20 08:54:24 <ynezz> http://www.8devices.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=110
Nov 20 08:54:28 <john_jones> the only supplier is going for 60 with a starter kit
Nov 20 08:54:32 <ynezz> this one is 22EUR
Nov 20 08:54:38 <john_jones> im in canada
Nov 20 08:54:47 <ynezz> but uses same stinking SoC
Nov 20 08:54:56 <ynezz> s/same/similar/
Nov 20 08:55:29 <john_jones> also
Nov 20 08:55:31 <john_jones> can you help me
Nov 20 08:55:33 <LetoThe2nd> problems after problems. too expensive, doesn't like mechanical factor, lives in canada... c'mon, it's ridiculous.
Nov 20 08:55:36 <john_jones> what do you call beagle board
Nov 20 08:55:40 <john_jones> what class does it belong to?
Nov 20 08:55:47 <john_jones> microprocessor development boards?
Nov 20 08:55:53 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: beagleboard.org.
Nov 20 08:56:22 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: how comes you had the idea of asking around here if you do not even know what this cahnnel is about?
Nov 20 08:56:41 <john_jones> uh just trying to get an understanding
Nov 20 08:56:46 <john_jones> i have an idea of the functionality
Nov 20 08:57:06 <john_jones> but i am trying to search a bare bones ARM cpu with a few ports similar to raspberry pi... what do you call these?
Nov 20 08:57:25 <ynezz> dust collectors
Nov 20 08:57:32 <john_jones> haha
Nov 20 08:57:35 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: probably in a dip case so you can hand solder them, right
Nov 20 08:57:46 <john_jones> ?
Nov 20 08:58:24 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: well you asked for a cpu, not for a board. (and some minutes ago, for a 50$ chip)
Nov 20 08:58:31 <john_jones> i just want to get a CPU on linux or android to possibly handle the USB to wifi?
Nov 20 08:58:42 <john_jones> is that the cheapest way?
Nov 20 08:58:57 <john_jones> isn't that what beagleboard is like?
Nov 20 08:58:58 <LetoThe2nd> as you do not ask for a board, i have to guess that you want to solder up your board yourself. so you should certainly get something in dip, it's the easiest.
Nov 20 08:59:11 <john_jones> yeah board
Nov 20 08:59:16 <john_jones> just trying to say whats on it
Nov 20 08:59:40 <LetoThe2nd> *facepalm*
Nov 20 09:00:28 <ynezz> well, there're dedicated camera interfaces (beagle has one) so you don't even need to use that slow USB
Nov 20 09:01:03 <john_jones> what is a dedicated camera interface?
Nov 20 09:01:10 <john_jones> is that some sort of code?
Nov 20 09:01:12 <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: are thos dedicated camera interfaces usb and come with freaky windows drivers so i can use my cheapo 5$ radio shack webcam?
Nov 20 09:01:37 <john_jones> haha 5 dollars? whoa! maybe 15-20!
Nov 20 09:02:54 <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=webcam&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20
Nov 20 09:04:07 <john_jones> lol i see your comment about the windows drivers
Nov 20 09:04:10 <LetoThe2nd> <3 cheap
Nov 20 09:04:26 <john_jones> is that portable to linux?
Nov 20 09:04:38 <john_jones> or would you need intimate knowledge of the drivers to write that? and probably it doesnt exist
Nov 20 09:04:41 <LetoThe2nd> buy one and find out.
Nov 20 09:05:06 <john_jones> im almost certain nobody bothered to write it
Nov 20 09:05:12 <john_jones> and to port it oneself
Nov 20 09:05:16 <john_jones> how would you do that, do you know?
Nov 20 09:05:23 <john_jones> basically hackin the hardware right?
Nov 20 09:05:27 <LetoThe2nd> no.
Nov 20 09:05:40 <av500> a wifi webcam is <$50 these days
Nov 20 09:05:47 <john_jones> um
Nov 20 09:05:54 <john_jones> everything i saw no
Nov 20 09:05:58 <john_jones> i did see one over rfid
Nov 20 09:06:03 <john_jones> but it has 10 feet range
Nov 20 09:06:05 <LetoThe2nd> i think you should better go and buy something already finished and done, as you keep on constantly mixing up buzzwords you obviously do not have the slightest clue what they mean.
Nov 20 09:06:20 <john_jones> actually i am trying to learn
Nov 20 09:06:21 * LetoThe2nd is better off.
Nov 20 09:06:25 <john_jones> if i am using words wrong please correct me
Nov 20 09:09:26 <john_jones> hmm actually i am seeing a 50 dollar one on newegg
Nov 20 09:09:28 <john_jones> this is possible
Nov 20 09:09:38 <av500> anyway, its just money
Nov 20 09:10:00 <av500> building something with a beagle and a webcam and whatnot will cost you much more in time
Nov 20 09:10:09 <av500> either you are in it for the fun or not
Nov 20 09:11:10 <john_jones> yeah it's fun but its also for a school project
Nov 20 09:11:18 <john_jones> and im low on cash these days
Nov 20 09:11:45 <john_jones> i just dont want to have to bother with extra stuff if i dont need it
Nov 20 09:12:03 <john_jones> but i realize i will need a communication protocol to the robot from my pc
Nov 20 09:12:04 <av500> http://www.reichelt.de/IP-LAN-W-LAN-Kameras/EDI-IC3015WN/3//index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=4013&ARTICLE=116894
Nov 20 09:12:10 <av500> this is €45 here in germany
Nov 20 09:12:12 <john_jones> if i go with the wifi camera
Nov 20 09:12:25 <av500> should be <$50
Nov 20 09:12:35 <john_jones> any ideas on that? can i send something to an arduino pic or will i have to buy a 45 dollar shield?
Nov 20 09:12:57 <av500> it all depends
Nov 20 09:13:11 <av500> on the scope of your project
Nov 20 09:13:35 <av500> thats the research part :)
Nov 20 09:14:08 <john_jones> project supposed to get a robot to drive itself
Nov 20 09:14:12 <john_jones> and possibly implement gps
Nov 20 09:14:24 <john_jones> lane detection, stop signs, traffic lights
Nov 20 09:14:30 <john_jones> on a custom track
Nov 20 09:14:44 <av500> ah, just that
Nov 20 09:14:50 <john_jones> yeah just that ;)
Nov 20 09:14:56 <av500> hint: put a netbook on wheels
Nov 20 09:15:09 <av500> it has webcam and wifi already
Nov 20 09:15:10 <john_jones> yeah but how much is that?
Nov 20 09:15:15 <john_jones> 300?
Nov 20 09:15:15 <av500> how much?
Nov 20 09:15:23 <av500> get a used one for $100
Nov 20 09:15:27 <av500> has battery too
Nov 20 09:15:31 <john_jones> hmm
Nov 20 09:15:46 <john_jones> it's not ideal for me
Nov 20 09:15:55 <av500> solves all your tech issues and you can concentrate on the SW
Nov 20 09:16:11 <john_jones> hmm
Nov 20 09:16:13 <av500> it is ideal, for a starter
Nov 20 09:16:18 <john_jones> would you choose that over a beagle solution?
Nov 20 09:16:27 <av500> not me, but I am not you
Nov 20 09:16:42 <av500> a beagle + webcam + wifi + battery is more than $100
Nov 20 09:16:47 <john_jones> and how much harder on a beagle?
Nov 20 09:16:58 <av500> 42
Nov 20 09:17:04 <john_jones> times?
Nov 20 09:17:07 <av500> :)
Nov 20 09:17:10 <john_jones> :D
Nov 20 09:17:10 <av500> no idea
Nov 20 09:17:17 <av500> I dont know your skills
Nov 20 09:17:20 <av500> I just guess
Nov 20 09:17:35 <av500> how long is the project?
Nov 20 09:17:35 <john_jones> i have done a mini jpeg decoder on fpga for a course
Nov 20 09:17:38 <av500> are you alone?
Nov 20 09:17:44 <john_jones> this project is due end of march i suspect
Nov 20 09:17:50 <john_jones> but milestones along the way
Nov 20 09:17:55 <john_jones> group of 4
Nov 20 09:17:58 <av500> ah
Nov 20 09:18:05 <john_jones> so me and 3 others, 1 is probably good
Nov 20 09:18:17 <john_jones> dunno bout the other 2
Nov 20 09:18:18 <av500> just find out who the one is :)
Nov 20 09:18:38 <john_jones> well i dunno but he seemed interested in some programming in matlab earlier
Nov 20 09:18:44 <john_jones> though that doesn't say much :D
Nov 20 09:19:50 <john_jones> i will propose the netbook idea
Nov 20 09:20:00 <john_jones> the wifi solution was a recent though also
Nov 20 09:20:22 <john_jones> initially i thought on-board computing was the only option, and i didn't want to default/cop out to a netbook too soon
Nov 20 09:20:40 <john_jones> thought*
Nov 20 09:21:12 <john_jones> av500
Nov 20 09:21:16 <john_jones> isn't a netbook copping out?
Nov 20 09:21:17 <av500> sec
Nov 20 09:21:19 <av500> in a conf call
Nov 20 09:26:07 <_sundar_> moreover, the software for the netbook can be ported to a beagle setup later
Nov 20 09:26:12 <john_jones> also i don't wanna be like... hey guys here's the parts list: 1x awesome deal on a netbook
Nov 20 09:26:17 <john_jones> 1x ...
Nov 20 09:26:20 <john_jones> etc
Nov 20 09:26:40 <john_jones> i dont mind developing on a pc and porting to an embedded application later
Nov 20 09:26:58 <john_jones> i will probably have to use openCV anyways as matlab i dunno... if this can interface to an open wifi stream
Nov 20 09:27:00 <john_jones> i have no idea on that
Nov 20 09:27:11 <_sundar_> the netbook solution will get you started in no time
Nov 20 09:27:20 <john_jones> so will the wifi camera?
Nov 20 09:27:49 <john_jones> seems cheaper
Nov 20 09:28:14 <john_jones> well minus the time to setup the real time stream
Nov 20 09:28:22 <john_jones> which is probably a pain in C, dunno
Nov 20 09:28:50 <john_jones> if that means anything or makes any sense
Nov 20 09:29:15 <_sundar_> do you plan to do all the openCV part in a PC with the video stream from the bot?
Nov 20 09:29:18 <john_jones> im just clutching at straws at this point
Nov 20 09:29:26 <john_jones> yeah thats the idea
Nov 20 09:29:57 <john_jones> but there's also the option of putting all the processing on board
Nov 20 09:30:02 <_sundar_> then you start the detection part first with a normal webcam
Nov 20 09:30:17 <_sundar_> and then move on to the wifi-cam part later
Nov 20 09:30:22 <john_jones> good idea
Nov 20 09:30:30 <john_jones> i have to use a cable though right?
Nov 20 09:30:35 <john_jones> hehe
Nov 20 09:30:43 <_sundar_> yes of course
Nov 20 09:30:44 <john_jones> dumb question
Nov 20 09:31:01 <john_jones> ok so this way i can start looking at the data
Nov 20 09:31:06 <_sundar_> this will give you more confidence once you get the detection part working
Nov 20 09:31:31 <john_jones> openCV is the best bet?
Nov 20 09:31:46 <_sundar_> in my opinion, yes
Nov 20 09:31:49 <john_jones> or is matlab an option? any idea
Nov 20 09:32:12 <john_jones> i haven't looked too deep into openCV yet
Nov 20 09:32:22 <_sundar_> i'm not a matlab guy but for simulation project i would choose matlab over the others
Nov 20 09:32:39 <john_jones> simulation project?
Nov 20 09:32:44 <_sundar_> sooner or later you have to learn openCV
Nov 20 09:33:13 <john_jones> ok, so if i am getting you then no matlab here... leave it for simulations, this is not a simulation right?
Nov 20 09:34:02 <_sundar_> mostly people use matlab to make a proof of concept in a simulation environment
Nov 20 09:34:48 <john_jones> good, thank you
Nov 20 09:35:03 <_sundar_> simulation includes only object detection of course
Nov 20 09:35:17 <john_jones> also, any comment on sending signal to robot wirelessly?
Nov 20 09:35:46 <_sundar_> it depends on what hardware you choose for the robot
Nov 20 09:35:48 <john_jones> we have two arduino unos
Nov 20 09:36:15 <john_jones> looking back, seems like pretty expensive for their power but they are already bought heh..
Nov 20 09:36:17 <_sundar_> and what would be the distance between the pc and the robot?
Nov 20 09:37:01 <john_jones> hmm
Nov 20 09:37:14 <john_jones> not sure, at minimum it should hold for around 2-3 metres
Nov 20 09:37:24 <john_jones> but if we want to test it's limits, more i guess
Nov 20 09:37:38 <john_jones> i don't know exactly how we plan to demo the final
Nov 20 09:38:09 <john_jones> well
Nov 20 09:38:14 <john_jones> i don't know what limits we can really test
Nov 20 09:38:52 <john_jones> are there a few solutions you had in mind?
Nov 20 09:39:20 <john_jones> i shall confess i didn't look into this issue yet
Nov 20 09:39:30 <john_jones> and i am too lazy to google it now
Nov 20 09:40:09 <john_jones> is there some frequency i can transmit on?
Nov 20 09:40:17 <john_jones> and connect a 5-10 dollar thing to the uno?
Nov 20 09:40:34 <john_jones> um, nevermind actually lol
Nov 20 09:41:53 <john_jones> but your thoughts are welcomed
Nov 20 09:52:30 <_sundar_> well you could always check out on the accessories available for the uno and use the one that suits your needs
Nov 20 09:57:20 <john_jones> i will try to ask the arduino community about sending some interrupts wirelessly
Nov 20 09:57:39 <john_jones> do you know if there is an irc channel?
Nov 20 09:57:55 <john_jones> here $arduino seems to have a bunch of peeps
Nov 20 09:57:58 <john_jones> #arduino
Nov 20 09:59:27 <_sundar_> join and ask for yourself
Nov 20 10:01:32 <av500> john_jones: judging from what you wrote so far, go for the netbook solution
Nov 20 10:01:51 <john_jones> really? but why?
Nov 20 10:02:01 <john_jones> i can start developing right now with a laptop and usb webcam
Nov 20 10:02:05 <av500> good
Nov 20 10:02:09 <av500> do that
Nov 20 10:02:13 <john_jones> really?
Nov 20 10:02:39 <av500> use the arduinos to do robot motor control
Nov 20 10:02:41 <john_jones> i want to hear you out
Nov 20 10:02:45 <av500> talking to the laptop
Nov 20 10:03:00 <av500> then use the latptop and opencv to do your vision stuff
Nov 20 10:03:14 <av500> use the laptop and wifi and a pc to develop your wifi link
Nov 20 10:03:39 <av500> then if you are really fast, swap the laptop for a beaglebone with webcam and wifi
Nov 20 10:03:55 <av500> and weep that your vision stuff is now suddenly super slow
Nov 20 10:04:16 <john_jones> you lost me lol
Nov 20 10:04:22 <john_jones> if you are really fast ... ?
Nov 20 10:04:45 <av500> sorry, but I cannot do hand holding here
Nov 20 10:05:26 <_sundar_> john_jones, the project of yours is not as simple as assembling things together and load some ready-to-use software
Nov 20 10:05:50 <john_jones> please explain
Nov 20 10:06:17 <_sundar_> if someone has to explain it for you then it is better to choose some easier and simpler project
Nov 20 10:06:17 <john_jones> av500 u saying if i swap to on board processing that it will be slow?
Nov 20 10:06:22 <john_jones> but i don't imagine it ports fast
Nov 20 10:06:31 <_sundar_> ports?
Nov 20 10:06:45 <john_jones> sorry
Nov 20 10:06:49 <john_jones> beagle runs C?
Nov 20 10:06:51 <john_jones> right
Nov 20 10:07:11 <john_jones> ok
Nov 20 10:07:15 <john_jones> i know very little
Nov 20 10:07:16 <_sundar_> it doesn't run C. It runs on an OS that is written in C
Nov 20 10:07:22 <john_jones> yes
Nov 20 10:07:23 <_sundar_> and assembly
Nov 20 10:07:36 <john_jones> sorry i meant like is it easy to transfer code i write on my pc to the beagleboard
Nov 20 10:07:41 <john_jones> that is what i meant by 'ports fast'
Nov 20 10:07:52 <_sundar_> not easy as you might think
Nov 20 10:08:13 <john_jones> register transfer level?
Nov 20 10:08:48 <john_jones> i can do that if so :)
Nov 20 10:08:57 <_sundar_> ok. answer few questions.
Nov 20 10:09:02 <john_jones> please
Nov 20 10:09:05 <_sundar_> do you know programming in C?
Nov 20 10:09:06 <john_jones> ask
Nov 20 10:09:08 <john_jones> yes
Nov 20 10:09:10 <john_jones> somewhat
Nov 20 10:09:18 <john_jones> um basics
Nov 20 10:09:32 <_sundar_> what is your level out of 10?
Nov 20 10:09:38 <john_jones> uhhh
Nov 20 10:09:44 <john_jones> that is so hard to rate
Nov 20 10:09:49 <john_jones> what is a 10 for you?
Nov 20 10:09:57 <_sundar_> doesn't matter
Nov 20 10:10:06 <_sundar_> i am not going to do the project
Nov 20 10:10:19 <john_jones> um
Nov 20 10:11:06 <john_jones> so earlier, you were referring to the project not being as simple as i think
Nov 20 10:11:16 <john_jones> where should the time be spent?
Nov 20 10:11:21 <_sundar_> yes and even now
Nov 20 10:11:24 <john_jones> how much time devoted to algorithm development in software?
Nov 20 10:11:46 <john_jones> for the image understanding
Nov 20 10:11:49 <_sundar_> learning a lot about hardware and software. programming especially
Nov 20 10:12:13 <john_jones> any languages or hardware in particular?
Nov 20 10:12:34 <john_jones> i have worked with fpgas
Nov 20 10:12:41 <john_jones> and done programming in C, java, matlab
Nov 20 10:12:47 <john_jones> um, some perl string processing basics
Nov 20 10:12:52 <john_jones> a little bit of linux basics
Nov 20 10:13:58 <john_jones> maybe i can focus on the openCV and C programming
Nov 20 10:14:08 <john_jones> and give the rest to my group members?
Nov 20 10:14:10 <_sundar_> yes you better do that
Nov 20 10:14:30 <_sundar_> yes to the ones who knows things better
Nov 20 10:14:40 <john_jones> what specifically
Nov 20 10:15:00 <john_jones> how to get the wireless signals taken care of
Nov 20 10:15:24 <john_jones> i think one guy is doing the motor control part already
Nov 20 10:15:35 <john_jones> one guy is designing the track on A4 paper
Nov 20 10:15:59 <_sundar_> track>
Nov 20 10:16:05 <_sundar_> *track?*
Nov 20 10:16:37 <john_jones> uh, something to get it working on 'clean' images?
Nov 20 10:16:39 <koen> mru: is your laptop a sony or a samsung one?
Nov 20 10:17:06 <john_jones> also the car may be limited to pre-designed tracks
Nov 20 10:17:21 <john_jones> but probably with a navigation system at some point
Nov 20 10:17:25 <john_jones> either modeling or implementing GPS
Nov 20 10:19:14 <_sundar_> you have good imagination but you need to have solid understanding on the things that talk about
Nov 20 10:19:28 <john_jones> also the driving algorithm is probably a bunch of work
Nov 20 10:19:31 <janne> koen: sony
Nov 20 10:19:32 <john_jones> lol thanks
Nov 20 10:19:45 <john_jones> the project has changed a lot lately as i have started to research into it
Nov 20 10:19:56 <john_jones> i haven't fully studied the technologies yet
Nov 20 10:20:17 <john_jones> more trying to select the best framework to work in
Nov 20 10:20:22 <_sundar_> then study one and try to implement that
Nov 20 10:20:46 <john_jones> :)
Nov 20 10:21:09 <john_jones> thanks for your help again
Nov 20 10:30:13 <av500> [11:07:15] <john_jones> i know very little
Nov 20 11:21:29 <panto> hey
Nov 20 12:05:46 <KotH> good morning boys!
Nov 20 12:06:05 * panto looks around for any girls 
Nov 20 12:06:12 <panto> yep, that's about right :/
Nov 20 12:06:21 <mru> koen: sony
Nov 20 12:06:33 <KotH> panto: they are running over there ---->
Nov 20 12:41:39 <av500> KotH: how do you know what is in me next tab to the right?
Nov 20 12:42:02 * KotH knows everything
Nov 20 12:42:24 <KotH> and since you sold my email adress i took the liberty to have a look around your computer :)
Nov 20 13:00:42 * mdp notes that #linux-omap has amusing questions from time to time
Nov 20 13:01:11 <mdp> "Ans pls..."
Nov 20 13:01:21 <Jacmet> mdp: ;)
Nov 20 13:02:37 <av500> mdp: y u no ans?
Nov 20 13:02:39 <KotH> mdp: 42
Nov 20 13:02:43 <mru> 54
Nov 20 13:02:59 <mdp> definitely 54..don't want to reveal the ultimate answer
Nov 20 13:03:15 <KotH> 23 then
Nov 20 13:03:55 <mdp> av500, oh, and, um, you can take the rest of the day off now ;)
Nov 20 13:05:39 <KotH> mdp: still tracking av500's productivity? :)
Nov 20 13:06:02 <mdp> I just don't want him to waste effort trying to be productive at this point
Nov 20 13:06:09 <mdp> I *care*
Nov 20 13:06:24 * av500 is touched
Nov 20 13:06:35 <av500> manhug?
Nov 20 13:06:46 <mdp> it could be the start of a beautiful bromance
Nov 20 13:07:16 <av500> wanna come and see my non-work?
Nov 20 13:07:27 <mdp> heh
Nov 20 13:07:37 <mdp> non-work always takes priority
Nov 20 13:11:10 <KotH> nah.. chocolate takes priority
Nov 20 13:14:16 <panto> hi mdp
Nov 20 13:14:25 <mdp> hello panto
Nov 20 13:14:44 <mdp> panto, how goes monkey-land?
Nov 20 13:14:59 <av500> mdp: they had to sell the monkeys
Nov 20 13:15:00 <mru> is he working on boot loaders?
Nov 20 13:15:25 <mdp> he won't admit it publicly...
Nov 20 13:15:25 <av500> boat loaders
Nov 20 13:15:50 * panto hoots like a monkey
Nov 20 13:16:08 <mru> ah, hoot loaders
Nov 20 13:17:28 <av500> hoot'r'us
Nov 20 13:17:44 <mru> I see what you did there
Nov 20 13:17:56 <mdp> word association time?
Nov 20 13:17:59 <mdp> orange!
Nov 20 13:18:20 * av500 shoots mdp
Nov 20 13:18:22 <thurbad> pineapple?
Nov 20 13:18:25 <av500> oops, wrong game
Nov 20 13:18:41 <av500> I thought it was that elf defence thing
Nov 20 13:18:44 <av500> lol
Nov 20 13:18:45 <av500> self*
Nov 20 13:19:06 <mdp> "warrior needs food badly"
Nov 20 13:19:41 <av500> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
Nov 20 13:20:10 <KotH> mdp: good hunting!
Nov 20 13:20:13 <KotH> ;)
Nov 20 13:22:13 <mdp> heh, I need to find those sound samples on the interwebs for my lunch reminder
Nov 20 13:22:44 <mdp> somebody must have extracted it from the Gauntlet rom by now
Nov 20 13:23:59 <mdp> http://www.basementarcade.com/arcade/guant/needsfood.wav
Nov 20 13:24:08 <mdp> interwebs++
Nov 20 13:27:40 <mdp> nice..unsolicited use of "bitbanging" by somebody on a concall
Nov 20 13:33:16 <av500> mdp: I had a good laugh this morning when going through my rss feed :)
Nov 20 13:34:06 <mdp> that DMX design?
Nov 20 13:34:29 <av500> yep
Nov 20 13:34:53 <mdp> it looks like it was done at the pub too, best place for creation
Nov 20 13:35:04 <av500> mdp: just seeing bitbang mentioned in all that arty stuff :)
Nov 20 13:35:48 <mdp> hehe
Nov 20 13:35:59 * av500 just got a review copy of Embedded Android
Nov 20 13:36:05 <av500> like I can read or what?
Nov 20 13:36:10 <mdp> karim's book?
Nov 20 13:36:16 <av500> yo
Nov 20 13:38:13 <axMountain> av500: the error with INFO: task wpa_supplicant has blocked, did this start after the latest image release?
Nov 20 13:38:23 <av500> ??
Nov 20 13:38:26 <av500> how would I know?
Nov 20 13:38:49 <axMountain> you got the same error, if I got you right yesterday
Nov 20 13:38:59 <ynezz> I saw that crystal ball purchase on eBay!
Nov 20 13:40:21 <ynezz> av500: is that book worth the money?
Nov 20 13:40:43 <mru> most books about computing topics are out of date before they leave the printer
Nov 20 13:41:13 <ynezz> but this one isn't even finished
Nov 20 13:41:15 <ynezz> :)
Nov 20 13:41:28 <ynezz> (but I do get your point)
Nov 20 13:42:25 <mdp> books are the only thing more out of date than wikis/blogs
Nov 20 13:43:43 <av500> axMountain: no, you misread
Nov 20 13:43:58 <bradfa> exact yocto xM exact steps on ml!
Nov 20 13:44:15 <av500> ynezz: no idea, did not read it yet
Nov 20 13:44:24 <av500> also, I have previous knowledge :)
Nov 20 13:44:25 <ynezz> axMountain: actually it was INFO: task wpa_supplicant is shocked
Nov 20 13:44:48 <av500> somebody who knows nothing about android like koen should read it
Nov 20 13:44:52 <axMountain> ynezz: whats the difference?
Nov 20 13:45:18 <ynezz> 1 byte?
Nov 20 13:46:03 <axMountain> haha
Nov 20 13:47:45 <axMountain> does anyone of you cheer people have a recipe on getting wifi on Beaglebone ?
Nov 20 13:47:54 <av500> ynezz: actually, only 3 bit
Nov 20 14:13:02 <dm8tbr> axMountain: it will depend on the chipset and on which distro you run...
Nov 20 14:14:15 <axMountain> dm8tbr: i have the rtl8192cu chipset and can run what ever distro suggested :)
Nov 20 14:28:52 <av500> python all the things: http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/emulating-usb-devices-with-python.html
Nov 20 14:36:26 <Ahmed_> Hi All :)
Nov 20 14:36:32 <Ahmed_> I hope there someone alive :D
Nov 20 14:36:47 <mdp> only zombies here today
Nov 20 14:36:50 <Ahmed_> I mistakley ordered beaglbon yesterday, I thought it has a vga output so that I see linux on screen :(
Nov 20 14:37:04 <mdp> you can bitbang vga with the PRU
Nov 20 14:37:16 <Ahmed_> can I install opencv, qt on beaglebone and see it on screen ?
Nov 20 14:37:25 <Ahmed_> without buying a vga cape ?
Nov 20 14:37:25 <mdp> http://www.inf.ufsc.br/~alebm/pruvga/
Nov 20 14:37:55 <emeb_mac> Those PRUs - is there nothing that they can't do?
Nov 20 14:38:13 <mdp> emeb_mac: sounds like you have the right idea
Nov 20 14:38:22 <Jacmet> mdp: ;)
Nov 20 14:38:27 <Ahmed_> sorry what is pru ?
Nov 20 14:38:41 <av500> Ahmed_: the bone has no VGA output
Nov 20 14:39:33 <Ahmed_> av500:  I figured out this ;(
Nov 20 14:39:46 <Ahmed_> I thought it has it
Nov 20 14:39:57 <av500> well, it is not advertised as having it
Nov 20 14:39:59 <thurbad> do you strictly mean vga or will any display output do?
Nov 20 14:40:01 <Ahmed_> so I can't install QT, Opencv ?
Nov 20 14:40:11 <av500> sure you can
Nov 20 14:40:14 <Ahmed_> thurbad: I just need to see Qt, OpenCV
Nov 20 14:40:31 <Ahmed_> av500: where can I see the software I developed on beaglebone ?
Nov 20 14:40:38 <av500> ls -l?
Nov 20 14:40:47 <Ahmed_> I mean the gui,..etc
Nov 20 14:40:52 <thurbad> there are dvi capes available
Nov 20 14:41:04 <Ahmed_> they are very expensive
Nov 20 14:41:13 <Ahmed_> I would better to buy beagleboard instead :/
Nov 20 14:41:20 <thurbad> ah... can't outengineer that :P
Nov 20 14:41:29 <av500> one buys what fits one's needs
Nov 20 14:42:51 <emeb_mac> someone should design/sell a PRU vga cape.
Nov 20 14:43:17 <mdp> "It would be great if someone would design/sell a PRU vga cape"
Nov 20 14:44:24 <KotH> mdp: gimme a lot of time, and i'll do it :)
Nov 20 14:44:26 <mdp> emeb_mac, but that guy's production-quality r2r dac soldering on the am180x implementation really shows how easy it is to do at home
Nov 20 14:44:51 <emeb_mac> mdp: it's an advanced 3-D process.
Nov 20 14:45:22 <mdp> I like how it all sits on top of some bubble wrap in the photos
Nov 20 14:46:39 <KotH> mdp: what was the last time you helped a non-av500-level customer with one of his projects? :)
Nov 20 14:46:42 <mdp> and the adhesive to prevent shorts..looks like something I would create
Nov 20 14:47:02 <KotH> mdp: compared to what i regularly see, that 3D style packaging is highly professional
Nov 20 14:47:12 <mdp> uh oh
Nov 20 14:47:13 <av500> kapton tape ftw
Nov 20 14:47:20 <panto> ?
Nov 20 14:47:30 <mdp> first off, it's debatable if I've ever "helped" a customer ;)
Nov 20 14:47:44 <panto> sent them off in a way that wasn't totally insulting?
Nov 20 14:48:30 <KotH> mdp: i think you helped me once in barcelona
Nov 20 14:48:40 <mdp> unpossible
Nov 20 14:48:40 <KotH> mdp: and as i'm a customer of your company... ;)
Nov 20 14:49:01 <KotH> mdp: iirc you hold my glass or so
Nov 20 14:49:08 <KotH> held*
Nov 20 14:49:32 <arcanescu> im using a hauppage capture car which gives out a mpeg2 ps stream after a while say 30 mins or so i get this from the card: http://pastebin.com/u3MGRDYg
Nov 20 14:49:41 <arcanescu> any ideas to what might be causing this?
Nov 20 14:49:54 <koen> I feel dirty tweaking CONFIG_HZ values
Nov 20 14:49:57 <av500> the card is bored watching TV that long
Nov 20 14:50:16 * koen looks around for a 12 year old script kiddie for hire to do the work instead
Nov 20 14:50:29 <av500> koen: put 1000
Nov 20 14:50:31 <av500> works for ne
Nov 20 14:50:33 <av500> me
Nov 20 14:50:37 <av500> ni!
Nov 20 14:50:42 <koen> well
Nov 20 14:50:44 <arcanescu> av500: ty you have yet again impressed me
Nov 20 14:50:47 <koen> the problem is the 32k time
Nov 20 14:51:05 <koen> so 1000 would break, since it doesn't fit into a nice divisor
Nov 20 14:51:15 <av500> arcanescu: its inside a memcpy, memcpy is evil in itself :)
Nov 20 14:51:26 <koen> ph0rums suggest that 512 is a nice compromise when using the 32k omap timer
Nov 20 14:51:27 <arcanescu> av500: driveR?
Nov 20 14:51:40 * koen feels dirty for having read ph0rums
Nov 20 14:52:16 <mru> wash your hands now!
Nov 20 14:52:17 <arcanescu> av500: im not doing a memcpy because my command is : cat /dev/video0 | /dev/null
Nov 20 14:53:12 <av500> arcanescu: you are not, but the driver is
Nov 20 14:53:14 <koen> that's it, time for a shower
Nov 20 14:54:00 <av500> arcanescu: btw, doing that uses the read/write API of v4l2
Nov 20 14:54:04 <arcanescu> av500: had a hunch might be the driver... is it cuz im running out of memory or /its leaking?
Nov 20 14:54:08 <av500> which you would normally not use at all
Nov 20 14:54:09 <prpplague> ho ho hum
Nov 20 14:54:12 <av500> so your test is useless
Nov 20 14:54:22 <arcanescu> av500: what would you propose instead?
Nov 20 14:54:24 * prpplague grumbles about another day at the funeral parlor....
Nov 20 14:54:28 <av500> normally usage of v4l2 is mmapped buffers and ioctly
Nov 20 14:54:30 <av500> iotls
Nov 20 14:54:39 <av500> see v4l2 api examples
Nov 20 14:55:09 <arcanescu> so you are saying i dont need mmaped buffers?
Nov 20 14:55:22 <av500> no
Nov 20 14:55:31 <av500> im saying, that cat foo does not do that
Nov 20 14:55:40 <av500> cat foo uses read()
Nov 20 14:55:54 <arcanescu> and i dont need read... rather mmap
Nov 20 14:56:00 <av500> yes
Nov 20 14:56:04 <av500> see v4l2 api examples
Nov 20 14:56:24 <mru> there, full circle
Nov 20 14:56:30 <arcanescu> av500: thanks
Nov 20 14:57:52 <av500> https://gist.github.com/1253534
Nov 20 14:59:35 <KotH> prpplague: funeral parlor?
Nov 20 14:59:37 <emeb_mac> normally don't do cat foo...
Nov 20 15:01:26 <KotH> meh! i've to do bitbanging because the msp430 doesnt have enough hw spi ports
Nov 20 15:02:12 <mdp> KotH: that's generally my best value..I can hold a glass
Nov 20 15:02:42 <KotH> mdp: i realized that
Nov 20 15:02:49 <av500> mdp: half full or half empty?
Nov 20 15:02:51 <KotH> mdp: but the point is: you helped a customer!
Nov 20 15:03:12 * mdp starts to feel better about his lack of l33t skillz
Nov 20 15:05:31 <av500> mdp: pru has 8k mem, right?
Nov 20 15:05:54 <prpplague> KotH: omap offices
Nov 20 15:06:19 <KotH> prpplague: my condoleces
Nov 20 15:06:22 <KotH> ;)
Nov 20 15:07:45 <mdp> av500, 8k data sram for each pru core, then 12k shared data sram as well
Nov 20 15:08:02 <mdp> av500, iram is separate from that
Nov 20 15:09:23 * mdp holds a flight to visit the funeral parlor
Nov 20 15:29:45 <prpplague> amazing some of the comments on /. articles
Nov 20 15:30:10 <av500> prpplague: you live under a rock?
Nov 20 15:30:42 <prpplague> av500: hehe, i know i know, just reading some of the comments about the harwell computer posts
Nov 20 15:34:25 <prpplague> av500: its like one person say the sky is a colour blue, and another says the color is light blue, and so they argue about the spelling of color/colour and if it is normal or light blue, when in fact they are basically agreeing that the sky is blue
Nov 20 15:34:43 <av500> the colour of the sky is teal
Nov 20 15:34:50 * prpplague notes a troll
Nov 20 15:35:22 <mru> what colour is the troll?
Nov 20 15:35:38 <prpplague> trolls are colored green
Nov 20 15:35:58 <mdp> prpplague: any suggestion of harwell in a beowulf cluster yet?
Nov 20 15:36:09 <prpplague> mdp: hehe
Nov 20 15:36:14 * av500 pours hot grits down mdp's pants
Nov 20 15:36:15 <prpplague> mdp: none that i see
Nov 20 15:36:33 <mru> witches come in threes, no?
Nov 20 15:36:34 <prpplague> mdp: nor any requests to connect a raspberrypi or z80
Nov 20 15:36:49 <mdp> boring
Nov 20 15:37:07 <av500> prpplague: but, was it openly developed?
Nov 20 15:37:32 <panto> av500, s/openly/ethically/g
Nov 20 15:37:56 <av500> and ... does it run systemd?
Nov 20 15:38:49 <mdp> what is the license?
Nov 20 15:38:56 <prpplague> av500: systemd loaded via paper tape
Nov 20 15:56:01 <KotH> good bye boys...
Nov 20 15:56:05 <KotH> happy trolling!
Nov 20 15:56:24 * mdp naps unders his troll bridge
Nov 20 15:57:03 <edahling> Does anyone know why my ethernet on my bone would just stop working?
Nov 20 15:57:24 <edahling> After a reboot it no longer connects, no lights, and it says PHY 0:00 not found.
Nov 20 15:57:36 <edahling> I've tried doing 'ip link set dev eth0 up'
Nov 20 15:57:39 <edahling> But that doesn't work.
Nov 20 15:59:47 <prpplague> ho ho hum
Nov 20 15:59:59 * prpplague tries to decide on a submission for ELC-2013
Nov 20 16:01:05 <edahling> Perhaps a suggestion?
Nov 20 16:01:30 <edahling> I've tried rebooting with the stock image, as well as my custom image.
Nov 20 16:01:43 <edahling> The board is rev A6
Nov 20 16:01:56 <edahling> I've been googling, but none of the fixes work.
Nov 20 16:02:07 <mdp> prpplague: energia?
Nov 20 16:02:24 <prpplague> mdp: ugh, no
Nov 20 16:02:31 <prpplague> mdp: i'd get laughed off the stage
Nov 20 16:02:35 * mdp hides
Nov 20 16:02:39 <mdp> really?
Nov 20 16:04:00 <Crofton|work> Present "The Exact Steps to do ....."
Nov 20 16:04:07 <prpplague> mdp: well at min av500 and mru would troll me mercilessly
Nov 20 16:05:23 <dm8tbr> how about a meta presentation? "The exact steps to trolling at ELC(E)"
Nov 20 16:05:37 <mdp> prpplague, in linz I detailed how to do a binary-only gpu driver port from an rtos to linux userspace avoiding any kernel binary driver grey-area....I was heckled mercilessly by hch. it was fun ;)
Nov 20 16:05:49 <mdp> prpplague: you should try it
Nov 20 16:05:59 <prpplague> mdp: hehe
Nov 20 16:09:10 <av500> yes, more user space talks
Nov 20 16:09:17 <av500> all this kernel stuffz makes me dizzy
Nov 20 16:09:22 <edahling> I've also tried disabling power-down mode using this patch https://github.com/pironex/pia-linux-kernel/commit/bd65d378c5b152ea4bde127f9d3684b0c5c0737c
Nov 20 16:10:18 <mdp> prpplague: a public reading of the embedded android review copy?
Nov 20 16:10:36 <av500> I can do that
Nov 20 16:11:12 <mdp> "In the beginning, Google created/acquired Android and it became GoogleGood"
Nov 20 16:11:41 <mdp> "On the second day, Google made Android a Beta product and stopped."
Nov 20 16:12:47 <mru> "and there was shutdown, and there was bootup -- the third day"
Nov 20 16:13:20 <av500> after 6 boots, good had enough and reinstalled windows
Nov 20 16:13:22 <av500> god*
Nov 20 16:13:44 <mdp> s/god/google/
Nov 20 16:13:57 <mru> goog
Nov 20 16:14:07 <mdp> "The Google"
Nov 20 16:14:16 <av500> we live in the world we live in because of unix fragmentation back then!
Nov 20 16:20:29 <alan_o> prpplague: woot!
Nov 20 16:20:50 * mdp is awakened by alan_o
Nov 20 16:22:27 <alan_o> prpplague: I don't check slashdot regularly, and I almost never notice submitter names, but was in the doctor's office on the phone, and for whatever reason it jumped out at me (well, it was also starred for some reason).
Nov 20 16:22:38 <alan_o> mdp: late night?
Nov 20 16:24:19 * mru hasn't actively read slashdot for over 10 years
Nov 20 16:29:15 <koen> alan_o: econotag and mjf order posted to purchasing dept :)
Nov 20 16:30:22 * av500 ordered some xbees today
Nov 20 16:31:26 <alan_o> koen, av500, woot!
Nov 20 16:31:46 <av500> alan_o: I have to admit, mostly for use as remote uarts
Nov 20 16:31:55 <koen> alan_o: and I import the 6lowpan patchset into the 3.7 kernel
Nov 20 16:32:05 <koen> alan_o: not the dt and board hacks, though
Nov 20 16:32:08 <alan_o> koen: hey, nice :)
Nov 20 16:32:26 <alan_o> yeah, I'll try to get some better DT going.
Nov 20 16:32:27 <panto> alan_o, I'd love to have a cape of yours to play with btw
Nov 20 16:33:05 <alan_o> panto: I'm working on it... met with my hardware friend last night about it. Hopefully we get something going soon.
Nov 20 16:33:12 <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
Nov 20 16:33:12 <koen> panto: I'll solder one up with the mjf breakout if you want to
Nov 20 16:33:22 <prpplague> alan_o: i don;t do /. that much either
Nov 20 16:33:22 <koen> (once I get the parts)
Nov 20 16:33:26 <panto> koen, yeah, that would be great actually
Nov 20 16:33:33 <prpplague> alan_o: but i really wanted to get the harwell story out there
Nov 20 16:33:56 <alan_o> prpplague: yeah, good stuff.
Nov 20 16:34:38 <yasinsheikh> does anyone know the best way to get started with a beaglebone?
Nov 20 16:34:48 <mdp> alan_o, boring day
Nov 20 16:34:49 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: look at the getting started page on the website
Nov 20 16:34:50 <yasinsheikh> using windows
Nov 20 16:34:58 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: google for "beagle bone getting started"
Nov 20 16:35:08 <av500> windows has google too I think
Nov 20 16:35:10 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: it has good info for windows too
Nov 20 16:35:44 <yasinsheikh> I mean i have done the basics like getting it powered up and loaded the cloud 9 ide
Nov 20 16:35:53 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: yes.
Nov 20 16:35:58 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: that.
Nov 20 16:36:10 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: ok, so what do you want then?
Nov 20 16:36:29 <yasinsheikh> however i want to start looking into how to connect a webcam via usb and store the pictures to sd
Nov 20 16:36:42 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: you want exact steps?
Nov 20 16:37:14 <yasinsheikh> well if you know how to do it that would help, however i would like to understand what i am doing as well
Nov 20 16:37:16 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: you might want to do some googling then. There are several projects that do this kind of thing.
Nov 20 16:37:33 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: if you want a security type system, google for "linux motion camera"
Nov 20 16:37:49 <yasinsheikh> i have been looking for a while, so far i have come across using fswebcam
Nov 20 16:38:07 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: ok, does it meet your needs?
Nov 20 16:38:35 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: also, OpenCV might be something to experiment with (since you haven't said what it is you really want to do )
Nov 20 16:38:47 <yasinsheikh> ill give you a little background as to what i need to do maybe it will help you understand my project
Nov 20 16:39:07 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: If all you want to do is snap and store pictures, google for "video for linux tools"
Nov 20 16:39:18 <Jacmet> so what was the story with the ftdi eeprom change on bbone in rev a5+ - Is it now going to stay like this?
Nov 20 16:39:19 <alan_o> there's a screencap tool. Don't remember what it's called.
Nov 20 16:39:19 <yasinsheikh> okay will look into that
Nov 20 16:39:44 <yasinsheikh> thanks alot
Nov 20 16:39:51 <alan_o> no problem
Nov 20 16:39:53 <yasinsheikh> maybe back sooner than you think ;)
Nov 20 16:40:04 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: also no problem
Nov 20 16:40:19 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: thank you for using the #beagle help desk. Please rate your experience....
Nov 20 16:40:34 <yasinsheikh> here?
Nov 20 16:40:36 <alan_o> 1. full of trolls
Nov 20 16:40:41 <alan_o> 2. full of trolls
Nov 20 16:40:43 <alan_o> 3 full of trolls
Nov 20 16:40:46 <alan_o> 4. full of trolls
Nov 20 16:40:47 <yasinsheikh> LOL
Nov 20 16:40:50 <alan_o> 5. full of trolls
Nov 20 16:40:54 <mru> 6. all of the above
Nov 20 16:41:00 <yasinsheikh> 6
Nov 20 16:41:51 * mdp updates the big board
Nov 20 16:42:20 <mru> you have a trolling scoreboard?
Nov 20 16:42:45 * mdp sends a congratulatory top-posting email train around the corporation..looking to hit 500+ replies congratulating the #beagle help desk team
Nov 20 16:45:37 <mru> gotta love those congratulatory emails that pass through a dozen layers of managers before reaching the people who actually did the work
Nov 20 16:46:06 <mru> always reassuring to know that the top boss has no idea who is really earning his big paycheck
Nov 20 16:47:49 <yasinsheikh> so ive loaded up putty
Nov 20 16:47:58 <yasinsheikh> whats the beaglebone login?
Nov 20 16:48:23 <yasinsheikh> or do i need one?
Nov 20 16:49:49 <alan_o> yasinsheikh: root
Nov 20 16:49:51 <alan_o> no password
Nov 20 16:49:54 <thurbad> use root and no password
Nov 20 16:50:05 <av500> hunter2
Nov 20 16:50:11 <thurbad> lol
Nov 20 16:51:08 <yasinsheikh> so just root and no password
Nov 20 16:51:09 <yasinsheikh> got it
Nov 20 16:51:15 <mranostay> trolling scoreboard now there is an idea
Nov 20 16:51:35 * alan_o shakes his fist at virtualbox.... _again_
Nov 20 16:51:58 <mru> hosted VMs suck
Nov 20 16:52:17 <mdp> mranostay, could be a cape
Nov 20 16:52:30 <alan_o> mru: It'd be ok if I didn't have to rebuild the stupid driver every time I commit to the kernel tree.
Nov 20 16:52:31 <mdp> mranostay, another entry?
Nov 20 16:52:58 <mru> alan_o: that's easy enough to get around
Nov 20 16:53:13 <alan_o> mru: oh yeah, it's just annoying...
Nov 20 16:53:15 <mru> just arrange for the version reported to not indicate the exact git rev
Nov 20 16:53:59 <alan_o> well, in this case it's an actual version change, but yes, that could be done, and would help.
Nov 20 16:54:22 <mru> of course it'll break if you change any of the interfaces those modules use
Nov 20 16:54:27 <yasinsheikh> does any webcam work with the beaglebone?
Nov 20 16:54:29 <mru> but you knew that
Nov 20 16:54:48 <mru> yasinsheikh: I'm sure there some that don't
Nov 20 16:54:57 <mru> I'm sure there are some that don't work _at all_ with any system
Nov 20 16:55:07 <yasinsheikh> :)
Nov 20 16:55:12 <thurbad> any as in all? or any as in you haven't found one that works yet?
Nov 20 16:55:28 <yasinsheikh> im not really sure how to find out if they do work
Nov 20 16:55:49 <mru> try them
Nov 20 16:55:50 <yasinsheikh> right now im sitting on the cloud 9 IDE
Nov 20 16:55:53 <mdp> http://www.oz9aec.net/index.php/beaglebone/476-turning-the-beaglebone-into-a-high-definition-ip-camera
Nov 20 16:55:56 <thurbad> if there's a driver it probably works
Nov 20 16:56:04 <mdp> google google google google
Nov 20 16:56:13 <alan_o> mdp: bing?
Nov 20 16:56:18 <mdp> baidu
Nov 20 16:56:27 <alan_o> dogpile?
Nov 20 16:56:41 <mdp> ask jeeves
Nov 20 16:57:19 <alan_o> One of my first jobs at the ISP I worked at in the 90s was to make a super portal in which you could search from any of the popular engines
Nov 20 16:57:25 <alan_o> good times.....
Nov 20 16:57:37 <alan_o> #!/usr/bin/perl
Nov 20 16:57:40 <mru> those were popular in the late 90s
Nov 20 16:57:58 * mru remembers metacrawler
Nov 20 17:00:53 <yasinsheikh> anyone still here
Nov 20 17:00:54 <yasinsheikh> ?
Nov 20 17:01:01 <mru> no, we all left
Nov 20 17:01:09 <yasinsheikh> nice
Nov 20 17:03:00 <yasinsheikh> im a complete novice using the beaglebone so im kinda struggling to start working on this
Nov 20 17:03:08 <yasinsheikh> and have only just started using linux
Nov 20 17:04:00 <mru> it's easier if you first spend 10-15 years learning the ins and outs of linux on desktop/server
Nov 20 17:04:13 <yasinsheikh> :0
Nov 20 17:04:58 <yasinsheikh> so what do you think i should give up learning how to use the beaglebone to use within my project
Nov 20 17:04:58 <emeb> it's not much of a learning curve...
Nov 20 17:06:48 <av500> yasinsheikh: no, dontgive up
Nov 20 17:06:54 <yasinsheikh> so am i on the right track? if i simply want to take pictures and store them to the microsd
Nov 20 17:07:00 <yasinsheikh> where would be the best place to start
Nov 20 17:07:00 <av500> cue kate bush
Nov 20 17:07:10 <av500> google
Nov 20 17:07:27 <yasinsheikh> i really have tried google
Nov 20 17:07:44 <yasinsheikh> like im on the cloud 9 ide
Nov 20 17:07:54 <yasinsheikh> am i supoosed to be using this
Nov 20 17:10:16 <av500> LetoThe2nd: OSGI, wasnt that you?
Nov 20 17:10:36 <yasinsheikh> me?
Nov 20 17:10:36 <av500> first one to explain it to me in 3 words wins a price!
Nov 20 17:10:46 <av500> yasinsheikh: you named LetoThe2nd ?
Nov 20 17:10:54 <yasinsheikh> no
Nov 20 17:14:24 * SilicaGel Do Not Eat
Nov 20 17:18:58 <yasinsheikh> anyone know what webcams
Nov 20 17:19:04 <yasinsheikh> would be best for the bone
Nov 20 17:19:16 <LetoThe2nd> av500: me? osgi?
Nov 20 17:19:33 * LetoThe2nd googles what osgi is.
Nov 20 17:20:48 <av500> LetoThe2nd: ah no, you were that other acronym
Nov 20 17:21:27 * LetoThe2nd is confused, more than usual.
Nov 20 17:21:39 <av500> you were on a meeting there
Nov 20 17:21:42 <av500> something embedded
Nov 20 17:21:44 <av500> related
Nov 20 17:21:51 <av500> a while ago
Nov 20 17:22:15 <LetoThe2nd> ah, osadl.
Nov 20 17:22:40 <av500> see
Nov 20 17:22:47 <av500> 2 letters in common
Nov 20 17:23:21 <LetoThe2nd> sure. acronyms FTW
Nov 20 17:23:38 <djlewis> lsusb
Nov 20 17:23:43 <djlewis> oops
Nov 20 17:25:30 * djlewis is testing some of his components that arrived off the boat from China today :)
Nov 20 17:26:25 <av500> pray tell
Nov 20 17:26:38 <av500> that boat washed ashore pretty deep inland, no?
Nov 20 17:26:47 <djlewis> :)
Nov 20 17:29:47 <mdp> epic flood
Nov 20 17:34:40 <djlewis> geez, for $2.24 USD i get a pl2303 board with digital jumper cables and a usb power cable
Nov 20 17:34:46 <djlewis> and linux detects it
Nov 20 17:35:35 <mdp> better yet..linux can even drive a pl2303..not just detect it
Nov 20 17:35:39 <mdp> bone-us points
Nov 20 17:35:44 <djlewis> yep
Nov 20 17:44:47 <av500> a horific? you are very brave
Nov 20 17:47:57 <mdp> ok! career goal met...I am retiring now
Nov 20 17:48:26 <mdp> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/20/discrete-6502-processor-sucked-into-linux-by-a-beaglebone/
Nov 20 17:48:36 <prpplague> mdp: HAHAHA
Nov 20 17:49:46 <panto> mdp, lol
Nov 20 17:51:01 <panto> mdp, will you sign your autograph in this picture I have? :)
Nov 20 17:51:59 * mdp works on an acceptance speech
Nov 20 17:52:02 * mdp calls mom
Nov 20 17:52:22 <mdp> panto, we can talk world peas too
Nov 20 17:52:37 <panto> I like peas
Nov 20 17:53:14 <mdp> panto, if we could just interface the geiger cape and this together, we could control the horizontal *and* the vertical
Nov 20 17:53:38 <panto> the future is limitless
Nov 20 17:53:48 * panto puts on shades 
Nov 20 17:53:59 <djlewis> I am so inspired :)
Nov 20 17:54:39 <panto> so kids, that's what you can look up to if you stay in school and study hard!
Nov 20 17:55:20 <mdp> djlewis, not to leave anybody out, we'll plug in your pl2303
Nov 20 17:56:14 <djlewis> mdp:  and my new 1602 16x2 blue display with add on I2C/TWI/SPI interface
Nov 20 17:56:36 <av500> mdp: lol
Nov 20 17:57:07 <mdp> djlewis, we can bitbang the snot out of the display
Nov 20 17:57:38 <mdp> this could be a nice #beagle "potluck" style project
Nov 20 17:57:48 <mdp> everybody bring one random h/w device...and we'll create something
Nov 20 17:58:09 <av500> yeah
Nov 20 17:58:15 <panto> can I bring a turkey?
Nov 20 17:58:24 <panto> it's a h/w device ... of sorts
Nov 20 17:58:28 <av500> yes
Nov 20 17:58:29 <av500> wetware
Nov 20 17:58:32 <mdp> frozen? we can launch it
Nov 20 17:58:39 <av500> we can wire it a 6502 brain
Nov 20 17:58:50 * mdp watched turkey bowling this morning
Nov 20 17:58:51 <djlewis> if live we can drop from hellicopter
Nov 20 17:59:14 <djlewis> drop turkey from copter that is
Nov 20 17:59:24 <mdp> drop from a serious quadracopter
Nov 20 17:59:35 <djlewis> with exact steps
Nov 20 17:59:46 <panto> what's the difference of serious quadcopter from a plain one?
Nov 20 17:59:52 <mdp> there will be exact steps like you've never seen before
Nov 20 18:00:05 <mdp> panto, a quadcopter with no trolling
Nov 20 18:00:10 <mdp> crazy talk, I know
Nov 20 18:00:15 <djlewis> dreamer
Nov 20 18:00:25 <ds2> what? no trolling from a quadcopter? new FWS rules?
Nov 20 18:00:29 <av500> TI israel: oh yes, when we enable wifi encryption, we can reproduce all your error reports.......duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 20 18:00:37 <panto> I thought quadcopters have to be light to fly. Won't all this trolling weigh them down?
Nov 20 18:00:50 <mdp> av500, encryption is for customers only
Nov 20 18:00:50 <ds2> av500: lovely... so is the proposed fix to remove all wifi encryption?
Nov 20 18:00:59 <av500> mdp: yep
Nov 20 18:01:09 <av500> its to tedious to enter keys in a lab environment
Nov 20 18:01:15 * av500 calls his Hamas contacts
Nov 20 18:01:17 <mdp> av500, which part are you on?
Nov 20 18:01:29 <av500> mdp: part 5, despair
Nov 20 18:01:29 <ds2> they may be a bit occupied right now ;)
Nov 20 18:01:44 <mdp> av500, hehe...there's a poster for that!
Nov 20 18:01:48 <panto> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_chrome_a15&num=1
Nov 20 18:02:01 <panto> no shit sherlock is faster than a pandaboard
Nov 20 18:02:24 <koen> who would have thought?
Nov 20 18:02:29 <mdp> mmm.moronix
Nov 20 18:02:43 <av500> montmartrix
Nov 20 18:02:50 <koen> mdp: so are you a famous hacker now?
Nov 20 18:02:59 <mdp> how do we determine if the samsung chromebook is a witch?!?
Nov 20 18:03:38 <av500> why do people benchmark ARM always against the most shitty ATOM?
Nov 20 18:03:40 <mdp> koen, I've always been convinced that they more useless a project...the higher chance to arrive safely on hackaday.com
Nov 20 18:03:45 <mdp> mission accomplished
Nov 20 18:04:07 <mdp> av500, arm ltd shills?
Nov 20 18:04:25 <panto> av500, cause they are in the same market
Nov 20 18:04:44 <panto> ultra notebooks won't get a xeon
Nov 20 18:04:50 <panto> not at $250 for sure
Nov 20 18:10:47 <djlewis> spealing of, a link off the hackaday led me to variscite's TI OMAP4460, 1.5GHz Dual-Core Cortex-A9 module
Nov 20 18:13:33 <av500> yes
Nov 20 18:14:07 <djlewis> beagleboard X-II
Nov 20 18:14:42 <alan_o> mdp: nice job :)
Nov 20 18:15:26 <mdp> alan_o, heh, all I did was respond and clarify how it works on the 6502.org ph0rums.
Nov 20 18:15:56 <mdp> I was really thinking I would get on there if we finished our robocop-style crossbow firing mechanism
Nov 20 18:16:15 <mdp> but oh well
Nov 20 18:16:25 <av500> firing frozen turkes?
Nov 20 18:16:27 <av500> turkys
Nov 20 18:16:29 <av500> gah
Nov 20 18:16:42 <av500> turks
Nov 20 18:16:48 <av500> swiss turks
Nov 20 18:16:51 <djlewis> torx
Nov 20 18:16:53 <mdp> a trebuchet with cloud control...hrm
Nov 20 18:17:01 <av500> djlewis: and totx
Nov 20 18:18:10 <mranostay> mdp: first parport patch and now 6502's you are truely living in the past :P
Nov 20 18:32:54 * djlewis wonders if he has a 8008 stored away somewhere. . .
Nov 20 18:43:47 * djlewis has been busy takeing pictures of and documenting old S-100 boards 4-sale
Nov 20 18:44:54 <ds2> djlewis: for "electronic" clay pidgeon targets?
Nov 20 18:45:19 <djlewis> ds2:  if there was not an actual demand for this stuff, yes.
Nov 20 18:45:36 <djlewis> scraping off the gold alone might be profitable.
Nov 20 18:50:18 <Jacmet> yes
Nov 20 18:55:34 <mranostay> djlewis: need some slave labour for that
Nov 20 18:56:16 <djlewis> mranostay: volunteering ?
Nov 20 18:56:54 <Russ> can't we just smelt them?
Nov 20 18:57:40 <djlewis> gold melts before tin?
Nov 20 18:57:57 <djlewis> or whatever boards were using back then
Nov 20 18:58:05 <Russ> who cares, melt everything and wipe of the slag
Nov 20 18:58:25 <Russ> er, wipe off
Nov 20 18:58:42 <mru> djlewis: melt everything but the gold
Nov 20 18:59:23 <alan_o> can't we turn the slag into gold yet? What's the current state of alchemy these days?
Nov 20 19:00:00 <Russ> *sigh*, we throw away the slag and are left with gold
Nov 20 19:00:25 <Russ> plus, I don't think I want to be inviting any state alchemists
Nov 20 19:04:31 <_av500_> make slugs from slag
Nov 20 19:05:57 <mranostay> heh HP got scammed?
Nov 20 19:06:21 <mru> someone scammed the scammers?
Nov 20 19:08:38 <mranostay> seems so
Nov 20 19:10:38 <mdp> mranostay, I do need to clean up parport_gpio for submission...just for fun
Nov 20 19:12:13 <alan_o> mdp: yeah, I've been waiting for PLIP from beaglebone
Nov 20 19:12:14 <koen> mdp: and isa-gpio?
Nov 20 19:12:34 <mdp> koen, I wish I had infinite time
Nov 20 19:13:04 <alan_o> We should compete to see who can get the most outrageous $bus-gpio driver mainlined.
Nov 20 19:13:09 <mdp> koen, imagine if we had all pins the PRUSS can possibly be instantiated with brought out on am335x ;)
Nov 20 19:13:31 <koen> didn't we have that conversation already?
Nov 20 19:13:33 <mdp> alan_o, best idea I've heard in the last hour!
Nov 20 19:13:36 <alan_o> mdp: it'd be a bit-banger's paradise!
Nov 20 19:13:43 <koen> I think we even had beer with octopus bits with it
Nov 20 19:13:56 <mdp> koen, I repeat my dreams a lot
Nov 20 19:14:09 <mdp> *sigh*
Nov 20 19:14:12 <mru> you have recurring dreams?
Nov 20 19:14:14 <mdp> it's not to be though
Nov 20 19:14:23 <koen> maybe am4xxx will have it
Nov 20 19:14:36 <mdp> koen, you can go on thinking that, sure
Nov 20 19:14:39 <mdp> ;)
Nov 20 19:14:40 <koen> 4 PRUss at 400MHz!
Nov 20 19:15:18 <alan_o> koen: you should make mdp a custom spin board with all the PRU lines. Call it the beaglebanger.
Nov 20 19:15:31 <alan_o> target the RPi crowd
Nov 20 19:15:46 <mdp> alan_o, it's more a silicon problem
Nov 20 19:16:04 <mdp> the PRUSS IP core can have more pins brought out than the implementation on am335x does
Nov 20 19:16:24 <alan_o> oh.. I thought you meant just brought out to the headers. Nevermind then....
Nov 20 19:16:39 <koen> a6 should have all the pins on the headers
Nov 20 19:16:40 <mdp> they bring out pretty much what is needed for all the boring common use cases like profibus and ethercat
Nov 20 19:16:50 <mdp> stuff with pesky customers attached to it
Nov 20 19:17:11 <mdp> right, a6 has the two missing signals that come out on am335x
Nov 20 19:17:44 <panto> dinner
Nov 20 19:17:48 <alan_o> where'd you get the extra header space from?
Nov 20 19:18:00 <koen> overloading 2 other pins
Nov 20 19:18:15 <koen> so some pins on the expansion have 2 balls connected
Nov 20 19:18:20 <koen> cue mdp laughing
Nov 20 19:18:24 <alan_o> oh man
Nov 20 19:18:35 <alan_o> don't end up with dead short there sometimes?
Nov 20 19:18:41 <alan_o> bzzzzt
Nov 20 19:19:01 <alan_o> or is there an external mux?
Nov 20 19:19:29 <koen> alan_o: you're hitting on the main problem :)
Nov 20 19:20:46 <mdp> hahahaha
Nov 20 19:22:17 <mdp> alan_o, so my *want* has been a pruss instantiation with upwards of 16+ input and output pins brought out to balls
Nov 20 19:22:42 <mru> as long as one or the other ball is muxed as a non-output you're fine
Nov 20 19:24:04 <mdp> alan_o, we're around 70% of that number shared between pru0/1...and you have to use the sekrit instructions to get at the other PRU's pins in a single cycle
Nov 20 19:24:37 <mdp> alan_o, there's a ton of bus protocols that can be accomplished with some more pins
Nov 20 19:25:55 <mdp> though, to reduce logic we also need pru gpos/gpis to be able to work as a input or output dynamically which is simply not a part of design
Nov 20 19:26:05 <mdp> so then I get into a lot of wishing
Nov 20 19:26:18 <mdp> koen, maybe you can have a C compiler eventually, would you like that?
Nov 20 19:26:33 * mru sees no point in a pru c compiler
Nov 20 19:26:45 <mranostay> mru: why is that?
Nov 20 19:27:04 <mru> because you typically use the pru for timing-critical code
Nov 20 19:27:34 <_av500_> mru: then use realtime C
Nov 20 19:27:34 <mru> and with a c compiler you don't know for sure what instruction sequence you'll get and thus not how long it time it will take
Nov 20 19:27:48 <_av500_> __fast_for()
Nov 20 19:28:07 <alan_o> #pragma realtime=on
Nov 20 19:28:08 <mru> and if you did know the exact steps, you could just write that asm directly instead of going the detour through the compiler
Nov 20 19:28:40 <mranostay> heh
Nov 20 19:29:30 <mdp> mru, I understand the concern...I think there's a notion that some apps have looser deadlines to allow for sloppy C coders
Nov 20 19:29:49 <_av500_> lol, just got spam targeted at retir[Cees: "to reply to this email, hit the "REPLY" button in your email system"
Nov 20 19:29:54 <alan_o> mdp: so are there other chips which have the PRU implemented the way you like?
Nov 20 19:30:09 <mdp> mru, and TI believes that only neckbeard people can grok assembly..even on a trivial core like PRU
Nov 20 19:30:12 <mru> mdp: can we please keep one haven without sloppy coders/
Nov 20 19:30:13 <mru> ?
Nov 20 19:30:55 <mru> also, TI people can't write compilers
Nov 20 19:31:31 <mdp> alan_o, no, but in implementation notes, one can see that the IP is able to be instantiated with up to 32 parallel inputs/outputs per PRU core (32 for r30 and 32 for r31)
Nov 20 19:31:57 <alan_o> right, the IP core is good.
Nov 20 19:32:00 <mdp> alan_o, it's just the usual problem of what do you instantiate and bring out to the massive pinmux
Nov 20 19:32:25 <alan_o> So it's a shame then that the PRU hasn't been higher priority in any of the real world chips
Nov 20 19:32:35 <mdp> mru, maybe they can hire somebody that can write a compiler?
Nov 20 19:32:58 <mru> TI hire? surely some kind of joke...
Nov 20 19:33:06 <mdp> admittingly, everything I want to do with the pru is easily done in a tiny bit of assembly
Nov 20 19:33:20 <mru> and don't look at me, I'm not qualified to work at TI
Nov 20 19:33:23 <mdp> mru, I always think maybe some other TI can hire ;)
Nov 20 19:33:38 <alan_o> mdp: just not the calculator division?
Nov 20 19:36:06 <mdp> who knows?
Nov 20 19:36:37 <djlewis> for all your computing needs . . http://imagebin.org/236621
Nov 20 19:37:13 <Jacmet> ^es
Nov 20 19:37:27 <alan_o> djlewis: mmm... zilog
Nov 20 19:37:45 <alan_o> mdp: maybe that can be your next ELC talk. Hooking up to one of djlewis's boards.
Nov 20 19:37:45 <_av500_> oh, imagebin is back
Nov 20 19:38:07 <ds2> put 430's in there
Nov 20 19:38:07 <mdp> alan_o, let's not call it "hooking up" .. m'kay?
Nov 20 19:38:09 <ds2> drop the PRUs
Nov 20 19:38:20 <mdp> yes, 200mhz 430s
Nov 20 19:38:39 <alan_o> mdp: eccch... I hate it when phrases are hijacked by teenagers.
Nov 20 19:38:46 <mdp> or lm4fs with stellarisware in ROM!
Nov 20 19:38:46 <_av500_> soon: ELC = Electronix Linux Clowns
Nov 20 19:39:05 <_av500_> mdp: I have yet to install my stellarisware
Nov 20 19:39:10 <_av500_> in the ROM
Nov 20 19:39:14 <ds2> sure, the 430 IP is scaleable to 1GHz, right? :D
Nov 20 19:39:14 <mdp> it's preinstalled!!!!
Nov 20 19:39:18 <_av500_> nooooooooooo
Nov 20 19:39:24 <_av500_> I want to swap floppies
Nov 20 19:39:27 <_av500_> halfway through
Nov 20 19:39:29 <ds2> and keep the low pwr charactersitics
Nov 20 19:39:32 <mdp> my people wrote it into your memory for you
Nov 20 19:39:36 <mdp> those people!
Nov 20 19:39:41 <mdp> not the calculator people!
Nov 20 19:40:01 <_av500_> tipiple
Nov 20 19:40:04 <koen> ds2: I've sat through a presentation where a TI manager said we can easily scale the arm9 stuff to 1.8GHz, no need for that cortex-a8 nonsense
Nov 20 19:40:17 <_av500_> did he work for marvell before?
Nov 20 19:40:24 <djlewis> lol
Nov 20 19:40:27 <koen> heh, no
Nov 20 19:40:39 <koen> I think he left for DSP land inside TI
Nov 20 19:40:49 <_av500_> koen: he failed to scale the omap4 DSP
Nov 20 19:41:01 <koen> this was before omap4
Nov 20 19:41:06 <_av500_> before?
Nov 20 19:41:11 <_av500_> there was nothing before
Nov 20 19:41:11 <mru> of course an arm9 can be run at 1.8GHz
Nov 20 19:41:13 <ds2> hehe
Nov 20 19:41:16 <_av500_> a barren wasteland
Nov 20 19:41:19 <mru> but it would still be an arm9
Nov 20 19:41:25 <ds2> Mmmmmmm xscale
Nov 20 19:41:33 <_av500_> ds2: how does that scale?
Nov 20 19:41:38 <_av500_> times x?
Nov 20 19:41:40 <mdp> he's probably the same guy that made the arm11 mpcore part at NEC :)
Nov 20 19:41:55 <ds2> xscale was claimed to go beyond 1GHz
Nov 20 19:42:07 <mru> scales to 11?
Nov 20 19:42:08 <mdp> it has scale in the name, that's pretty intuitive
Nov 20 19:42:11 <_av500_> mdp: stop it, we know that r-pi  invented the arm11
Nov 20 19:42:21 <mru> and 11 > 9
Nov 20 19:42:26 <mru> as in cortex-a9
Nov 20 19:42:29 <ds2> xscale is a bastardized arm9
Nov 20 19:42:38 <ds2> so...
Nov 20 19:42:40 <mdp> this is why we struggled going to A8
Nov 20 19:42:42 <mru> xscale is an armv5te
Nov 20 19:42:47 <mdp> marketing meltdown!
Nov 20 19:42:50 <mru> not sure how much it has in common with the arm9 design
Nov 20 19:43:00 <ds2> it runs the arm9 ISA ;)
Nov 20 19:43:03 <mru> it rather derives from the strongarm
Nov 20 19:43:12 <mru> which was a dec-designed armv4
Nov 20 19:43:24 <ds2> and even has SIMD instructions unlike other arm9s
Nov 20 19:43:34 <mru> that's an intel addon
Nov 20 19:43:47 <panto> back
Nov 20 19:43:58 <ds2> xscale is intel
Nov 20 19:44:19 <mru> yes, it's what they developed strongarm into after they acquired it from dec
Nov 20 19:44:31 <mru> could also be a clean design, I don't know
Nov 20 19:44:31 <koen> and sold to marvell
Nov 20 19:44:42 <ds2> develop isn't quite the word I'd use ;)
Nov 20 19:44:51 <_av500_> wireless mmx anybody?
Nov 20 19:45:16 <mru> _av500_: 19:43 < ds2> and even has SIMD instructions
Nov 20 19:45:22 <ds2> 'barstardized'... 'morphed'... 'ran into the ground...' ;)
Nov 20 19:45:35 <_av500_> mru: you and your facts
Nov 20 19:45:52 <mru> _av500_: the real ones or the made-up ones?
Nov 20 19:45:59 * mru prefers the made-up ones
Nov 20 19:46:05 <_av500_> the uncomfortable ones
Nov 20 19:46:29 <mru> my sofa is comfortable, and that's a fact
Nov 20 19:47:10 <_av500_> sofa, so good
Nov 20 19:53:19 <_av500_> ok, kids in bed
Nov 20 19:56:35 <djlewis> can we talk dirty now ?
Nov 20 19:56:49 <panto> djlewis, nvidia!
Nov 20 19:56:57 <_av500_> oooh yeah
Nov 20 19:56:59 <djlewis> ugh
Nov 20 19:57:10 <_av500_> these strong binary blobs
Nov 20 19:57:13 <mru> qualcomm!
Nov 20 19:57:24 <_av500_> these fully closed systems
Nov 20 19:57:34 <mru> fully clothed?
Nov 20 19:57:36 <woglinde> broadcom?
Nov 20 19:57:42 <mdp> allwinner
Nov 20 19:57:50 <_av500_> all in!
Nov 20 19:57:56 * mdp gets goosebumps
Nov 20 19:57:59 <djlewis> hp all-in-one's
Nov 20 19:58:05 <panto> stop! I'm getting excited
Nov 20 19:58:06 <mru> hole-in-one
Nov 20 19:58:11 <mdp> lol
Nov 20 19:58:12 <woglinde> panto haha
Nov 20 19:58:47 <_av500_> meet me at the A20 gate
Nov 20 19:58:55 <_av500_> tonight!
Nov 20 19:58:59 <mdp> omg omg omg!
Nov 20 19:59:00 <djlewis> just past the invertor
Nov 20 19:59:33 * djlewis is getting red in the face
Nov 20 19:59:37 <_av500_> zapp me with that 1.8V of yours
Nov 20 19:59:56 <mru> frank, zapp him!
Nov 20 20:00:08 <_av500_> 20:58 <            mafi > basically i wanna use my rasp as an ipsec gateway and pf
Nov 20 20:00:11 <_av500_> 20:58 <            mafi > so openbsd would be my choice but theo said "no" :)
Nov 20 20:00:17 <djlewis> my ribs are hurting as I try to lol quietly
Nov 20 20:00:17 <_av500_> bad theo, bad
Nov 20 20:01:02 <woglinde> av500 lol
Nov 20 20:01:05 <mru> nice one
Nov 20 20:01:06 <woglinde> he can port it
Nov 20 20:01:12 <woglinde> like android
Nov 20 20:01:14 <mdp> freebsd, do we have that on beagle?!???
Nov 20 20:01:17 <_av500_> one does notsimply port a bsd
Nov 20 20:01:29 <panto> _av500_, lol, hope he's only having a dial line to move through the rpi
Nov 20 20:01:41 <mru> have you heard about the space aliens who captured 10 bsd developers and locked them in a room?
Nov 20 20:01:45 <djlewis> is that BadSonofaDemon?
Nov 20 20:01:52 <_av500_> mru: there are only 9
Nov 20 20:02:11 * Russ checks to see what channel he's actually in
Nov 20 20:02:20 <mru> when they opened the door a week later, they found 10 dead bsd developers and 11 new bsd forks
Nov 20 20:02:24 <woglinde> av500 theo counts for 2
Nov 20 20:02:35 <mdp> anybody else see the base A10/A13 kernel support that was submitted?
Nov 20 20:02:41 <panto> mdp, yes I did
Nov 20 20:02:45 <_av500_> mru: stabbed by a fork
Nov 20 20:02:58 <mdp> I, for one, welcome our allwinner overlords
Nov 20 20:03:08 <_av500_> mdp: lo and behold, today we got a rockchip TRM
Nov 20 20:03:17 <_av500_> china is opening up
Nov 20 20:03:31 <woglinde> av500 haha
Nov 20 20:03:40 <woglinde> av500 next week is lidl
Nov 20 20:05:26 <mdp> _av500_, everything is unfolding according to plan. say goodbye to your beloved Alderaan
Nov 20 20:06:00 * mdp watches the Shenzhen-star maneuver into position.
Nov 20 20:06:19 <woglinde> uho
Nov 20 20:06:26 <woglinde> now its going intressting
Nov 20 20:08:56 <_av500_> mdp: I just hope that next year the chinese govmt will decide that biotech is the future and stops propping up SoC makers
Nov 20 20:09:55 <_av500_> "here, we created a bank to give you money, go make a company"
Nov 20 20:10:58 <mranostay> _av500_: i for one welcome our new chinese overlords.. reference said map..
Nov 20 20:11:22 <_av500_> :)
Nov 20 20:12:10 <mranostay> mdp lucks out has Canadian overlords.. i'm sure they are nice even in invasions
Nov 20 20:12:24 <mdp> I wear them like a hat
Nov 20 20:19:37 <_av500_> prpplague: ping
Nov 20 20:19:46 <prpplague> _av500_: pong
Nov 20 20:20:13 <_av500_> why would the galaxy nexus not reboot on long_power_press? its a std ompa4+pmic thing, no?
Nov 20 20:20:57 <prpplague> _av500_: the phoenix pmix can be programmed with custom microcode aka rom code
Nov 20 20:21:07 <_av500_> several people reporting that only battery out can reset it
Nov 20 20:21:15 <_av500_> prpplague: yep
Nov 20 20:21:16 <prpplague> _av500_: usually the big vendors like for the galaxy nexus have custom
Nov 20 20:21:28 <_av500_> and they wanted it "brickable"?
Nov 20 20:21:40 * prpplague has no comment on that, hehe
Nov 20 20:22:09 <prpplague> _av500_: there is a specific hardware condition that get that issue
Nov 20 20:22:21 <prpplague> _av500_: nishant can give you the details on that
Nov 20 20:22:23 <prpplague> one sec
Nov 20 20:22:39 <prpplague> _av500_: doesn't look like he is online
Nov 20 20:22:49 <_av500_> there was something on aerly pmics
Nov 20 20:22:52 <_av500_> early
Nov 20 20:22:55 <_av500_> IIRC
Nov 20 20:31:11 <prpplague> _av500_: i can't recall, is nexus 4460 or 4470?
Nov 20 20:31:19 <SilicaGel> what is this TI stuff about not focusing on mobile markets any more and concentrating on other OMAP
Nov 20 20:31:35 <SilicaGel> also did somebody say PRU?
Nov 20 20:31:46 <prpplague> SilicaGel: there is no such thing as "other omap"
Nov 20 20:31:55 <SilicaGel> Also did somebody say meet me at gate A20?  You can't exepect to find anybody there beacuse it's in a .... shadow
Nov 20 20:32:42 <SilicaGel> "Moving forward, Texas Instruments will focus its OMAP processor business on embedded devices, rather than smartphones and tablets. The company has lost ground in recent years to Qualcomm, Samsung, and Apple."
Nov 20 20:32:43 <_av500_> prpplague: 60
Nov 20 20:33:32 <prpplague> SilicaGel: i assume that is from the statements last month
Nov 20 20:33:38 <prpplague> SilicaGel: and not the more recent news
Nov 20 20:33:45 <SilicaGel> let me see.  I only saw it today on phonescoop
Nov 20 20:34:31 <SilicaGel> Updated Nov 15, 2012
Nov 20 20:34:45 <SilicaGel> http://newscenter.ti.com/2012-11-14-TI-to-reduce-costs-in-Wireless-business-OMAP-processors-and-wireless-connectivity-solutions-will-focus-on-embedded-markets  there it is
Nov 20 20:34:49 <woglinde> automobile
Nov 20 20:37:53 <prpplague> SilicaGel: kind of a bogus statement
Nov 20 20:38:00 <SilicaGel> Oh yeah?
Nov 20 20:38:35 <SilicaGel> What part?
Nov 20 20:39:28 <woglinde> I only remember about the wireless devision which made nokia stuff
Nov 20 20:39:35 <prpplague> SilicaGel: this is a more accurate statement - http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/14/technology/texas-instruments-layoffs/
Nov 20 20:43:00 <woglinde> lol
Nov 20 20:43:01 <woglinde> http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/adventures-in-microsoft-uefi-signing/
Nov 20 20:43:04 <woglinde> stupid ms
Nov 20 20:44:04 <koen> oh dear, av500 is making pulp fiction references
Nov 20 20:44:36 <_av500_> I wont dance though
Nov 20 20:45:39 <koen> I'm watching TI mkting peeps showing off the capes
Nov 20 20:45:40 <alan_o> prpplague: man, did you read the comments on that one?
Nov 20 20:45:51 <alan_o> prpplague: people are such idiots.
Nov 20 20:45:57 <_av500_> yes
Nov 20 20:46:00 <koen> funny how they say that a 16bit screen can display 16 point seven milllllion colours
Nov 20 20:46:02 <_av500_> they are people after all
Nov 20 20:46:09 <prpplague> alan_o: comments on which one?
Nov 20 20:46:15 <_av500_> koen: one word: dithering
Nov 20 20:46:16 <alan_o> on the cnn one
Nov 20 20:46:20 <prpplague> koen: hehe
Nov 20 20:46:24 <prpplague> alan_o: ahh no
Nov 20 20:46:54 <_av500_> cnn says TI is going to put omap in my pants
Nov 20 20:47:10 <koen> 786 pixel
Nov 20 20:47:13 <koen> dear lord
Nov 20 20:47:18 <koen> math is hard
Nov 20 20:47:20 <alan_o> _av500_: that's the way I read it :)
Nov 20 20:47:28 <koen> someone send those TI people a calculator
Nov 20 20:47:44 <_av500_> koen: they are using a TI calculator
Nov 20 20:48:09 <woglinde> alan_o this one? -> TI is notorious for hiring LOW COST H1Bs to REPLACE TI employees with over 5 years of tenure.
Nov 20 20:48:28 <koen> cheap indians are cheap
Nov 20 20:48:29 <koen> news at 11
Nov 20 20:48:37 <fredb> Guys, is the kernel at https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/ an officially supported TI project, or is it an open source community based effort?
Nov 20 20:48:53 <mdp> more like open sores
Nov 20 20:48:53 <koen> are those the only 2 options?
Nov 20 20:49:24 <woglinde> hm the kernel itself is no open source community effort?
Nov 20 20:50:18 <_av500_> ...."Texas" Instruments my butt. Says Made in China on the back of my TI calculator.
Nov 20 20:50:25 <alan_o> woglinde: pretty much everything hoapres says is insanity.
Nov 20 20:50:26 <_av500_> nice one
Nov 20 20:50:32 <alan_o> woglinde: I'm glad I don't live in his HOA
Nov 20 20:50:38 <fredb> Does TI provide kernel releases, or is it soley managed via the github repos?
Nov 20 20:50:52 <_av500_> there are TI PSP kernels
Nov 20 20:50:55 <alan_o> woglinde: if being HOA president is so much of your identity that you use it for an online handle... you have serious problems :)
Nov 20 20:51:24 <koen> fredb: has it occured to you that there are more options besides "TI" and "community"?
Nov 20 20:51:51 <alan_o> koen: one more.... CircuitCo :)
Nov 20 20:51:52 <koen> fredb: your question includes wrong assumptions and hence cannot be correctly answered
Nov 20 20:52:01 <koen> alan_o: and others
Nov 20 20:52:05 <alan_o> koen: hehe
Nov 20 20:52:13 <panto> lol@linkedin first story: 'LinkedIn Today recommends this news for you: What I Learned When I Got Fired (the First Time)"
Nov 20 20:52:21 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 20 20:52:32 <woglinde> panto haha
Nov 20 20:52:33 <fredb> OK, what is the relationship between the github kernel and the TI releases?
Nov 20 20:52:39 <panto> the vultures are circling :)
Nov 20 20:52:47 * prpplague looks at all the @#$@%@$%@#$%@#$ he needs to pack up from his dungeon, err,  cube
Nov 20 20:52:53 <koen> fredb: the github ones actually support the beaglebone?
Nov 20 20:53:39 <wmat> prpplague: let's see a pic?
Nov 20 20:53:50 <fredb> Got it, thanks
Nov 20 20:53:59 <alan_o> koen: is he comparing the 3.2 ones from arago-project and OE?
Nov 20 20:55:05 <prpplague> wmat: no cameras allowed in our area
Nov 20 20:56:37 <mru> panto: my reaction to getting laid off was "great, that saved me the trouble of writing the letter"
Nov 20 20:57:03 <panto> mru, it has been nuts
Nov 20 20:57:17 <wmat> prpplague: bummer
Nov 20 20:57:41 <mru> panto: that's not so bad, if you're a squirrel
Nov 20 20:57:42 <mdp> prpplague: google recruiters swooping down on TIers
Nov 20 20:58:08 <prpplague> mdp: oh? i feel left out then
Nov 20 20:58:24 <prpplague> mdp: i seem to be attracting qcom and nvidia folks
Nov 20 20:58:36 <_av500_> join the dark side!
Nov 20 20:58:50 <prpplague> mdp: google==hawks   gcom/nvidia==buzzards
Nov 20 20:58:58 <prpplague> both are swooping down
Nov 20 20:59:04 <woglinde> *g*
Nov 20 20:59:37 <mdp> prpplague: it's coming...brace yourself!
Nov 20 20:59:55 <Thing_> Hi,  for 12c or spi do we need to use extra chips with external circuits ?
Nov 20 21:00:31 <_av500_> if they are 3.3V, no
Nov 20 21:00:39 <_av500_> assuming you speak of bone
Nov 20 21:00:40 <mdp> prpplague: "I am really interested in seeing how things are going at TI?" ... I suspect a systematic linkedin attack on TIers
Nov 20 21:00:55 <Thing_> me ? ac500 ?
Nov 20 21:01:06 <_av500_> yes, since you asked
Nov 20 21:01:24 <woglinde> prpplague hm are you going at the end of the year or earlier or cannt you comment?
Nov 20 21:01:28 <Thing_> so I use only 3.3v volts, I can just use pins from  bagelbone
Nov 20 21:02:00 <Thing_> is there any circuit diagrams for that?
Nov 20 21:02:38 <_av500_> there is google
Nov 20 21:02:40 <prpplague> woglinde: i'll know for sure next week, but i suspect it will be quick, i.e. say day i am told
Nov 20 21:02:44 <_av500_> lots of examples of prior art
Nov 20 21:02:46 <prpplague> s/say/same
Nov 20 21:03:05 <Thing_> ok, thanks
Nov 20 21:03:09 <Thing_> I look for them
Nov 20 21:03:14 <woglinde> prpplague ah thats sad
Nov 20 21:06:16 <_av500_> gah, info material from the kindergarden, written in comic sans, wont read
Nov 20 21:07:44 <woglinde> haha
Nov 20 21:08:31 <_av500_> woglinde: we have a friedrich-ebert elementary school here with his name in comic says....
Nov 20 21:09:26 <woglinde> av500 do you know spiekermann?
Nov 20 21:09:51 <_av500_> now i do
Nov 20 21:11:11 <woglinde> http://spiekermann.com/
Nov 20 21:11:23 <woglinde> one of germans font gurus
Nov 20 21:11:24 <woglinde> ,)
Nov 20 21:12:30 <mru> woglinde: the logo at the top of the page is very amateurish
Nov 20 21:13:07 <woglinde> which logo?
Nov 20 21:13:25 <mru> the red text with white anti-aliasing fringes
Nov 20 21:14:49 <woglinde> hm
Nov 20 21:14:57 <woglinde> hm the still searching javascript devs
Nov 20 21:16:02 <woglinde> mru thats his company
Nov 20 21:16:04 <woglinde> http://edenspiekermann.com/
Nov 20 21:16:45 <mru> so? the website still sucks
Nov 20 21:17:01 <mru> looks like the red text was intended to go over the white bit
Nov 20 21:17:04 <mru> but missed it
Nov 20 21:17:53 <woglinde> can you make a screenshot I dont get it maybee chromium shows it diffrently
Nov 20 21:22:18 <mru> woglinde: http://unicorn.mansr.com/~mru/spiekermann.png
Nov 20 21:22:23 <prpplague> oh oh oh, great job description item "An understanding of all aspects of the Linux Kernel"
Nov 20 21:22:35 <mru> good luck finding any candidates for that
Nov 20 21:23:06 <woglinde> lol
Nov 20 21:23:37 <woglinde> mru strange, here it looks okay
Nov 20 21:23:51 <woglinde> mru which browser do you using?
Nov 20 21:23:54 <mru> the html validator has a lot to say about that page
Nov 20 21:24:35 <thurbad> validators often do that
Nov 20 21:24:56 <woglinde> intressting edenspiekermann got the bosh gender campaign I liked the posters
Nov 20 21:24:59 <mru> thurbad: not on anything I have control over
Nov 20 21:25:10 <thurbad> heh
Nov 20 21:28:52 <mru> but then again, people have accused me of being "not a web programmer"
Nov 20 21:28:59 <mru> which I take as a compliment
Nov 20 21:29:16 <thurbad> why, because you "actually code"?
Nov 20 21:29:37 <_av500_> mru: see, I was right :)
Nov 20 21:30:20 <mru> thurbad: not sure which part they were referring to
Nov 20 21:32:06 <mru> perhaps that I used perl
Nov 20 21:32:16 <woglinde> not php
Nov 20 21:32:18 <mru> or perhaps that all the code actually does something useful
Nov 20 21:32:19 <woglinde> *g*
Nov 20 21:32:21 <thurbad> heh... recently?
Nov 20 21:32:28 <mru> fate.libav.org
Nov 20 21:33:18 <thurbad> not a big fan of php, mainly because it's too easy to use poorly
Nov 20 21:33:55 <mru> I did a little php back when it was fashionable
Nov 20 21:34:04 <mru> nothing that's online now
Nov 20 21:34:40 <Jacmet> mru: php ever fashionable?
Nov 20 21:35:06 <mru> sure, 2004 or thereabouts it was
Nov 20 21:35:17 <woglinde> hm I looked first to php in 97 and python too
Nov 20 21:35:38 <mru> jsp was also cool back then
Nov 20 21:35:54 <Jacmet> mru: I would rather say pre-dotcom bubble burst
Nov 20 21:36:27 <woglinde> post
Nov 20 21:36:33 <thurbad> most pages were static that far back, or perl cgi
Nov 20 21:36:43 <woglinde> pre was around 2000
Nov 20 21:37:07 <Jacmet> sure, I did a bit of php for a company back in '99 or so
Nov 20 21:37:15 <mdp> Thing_, be careful of how much current you sink with the am335x pins...the max is documented for all pins in the datasheet
Nov 20 21:37:40 <mdp> blech
Nov 20 21:38:02 <mru> Jacmet: sure, php existed back then
Nov 20 21:38:35 <alan_o> prpplague: you saw one that said that, or you're putting that on your linkedin?
Nov 20 21:38:45 <alan_o> :)
Nov 20 21:39:23 <mru> but it hadn't yet become the cool thing to use while badmouthing cgi
Nov 20 21:40:00 <dm8tbr> mhhh, yes, perl cgi... those were the days...
Nov 20 21:40:50 * Jacmet still did some simple cgi stuff last month :P
Nov 20 21:40:51 <alan_o> dm8tbr: those aren't still the days?
Nov 20 21:41:12 <alan_o> dm8tbr: and PHP register_globals :)
Nov 20 21:41:15 <mru> as I said, I'm running some perl/cgi right now
Nov 20 21:41:29 <mru> it works
Nov 20 21:41:57 <Jacmet> mru: yeah, kiss
Nov 20 21:42:06 <mru> and the entire script is just a page or two
Nov 20 21:42:08 <alan_o> mru: cgi was too functional and easy to remain popular
Nov 20 21:42:13 <alan_o> s/was/is/
Nov 20 21:42:14 * dm8tbr still has working bash CGI running
Nov 20 21:42:27 <alan_o> yeah, make your webpage in bash if you want to
Nov 20 21:42:37 <alan_o> so easy, robust... but then they tell us how slow it is
Nov 20 21:42:41 <alan_o> because it makes a proces
Nov 20 21:42:43 <alan_o> process
Nov 20 21:42:54 <mru> if that's not the bottleneck, why care?
Nov 20 21:42:59 <alan_o> but then others tell us how fast fork()/exec() is in Linux....
Nov 20 21:43:16 <alan_o> I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
Nov 20 21:43:31 <dm8tbr> I'm sure linaro could speed up fork() now that they are done speeding up memcpy
Nov 20 21:43:35 <mru> fork/exec is fast enough that you rarely need to care
Nov 20 21:43:37 <alan_o> CGI is "slow" because it makes a process, but instead we should make stuff in interpreted languages.
Nov 20 21:43:56 <alan_o> web people rarely make sense to me when they speak
Nov 20 21:44:03 <mru> if you're serving a billion pages per second, it does matter
Nov 20 21:44:15 <mru> alan_o: they don't make sense to me even when not speaking
Nov 20 21:44:20 <alan_o> if you're serving that much, make yourself an apache module in C
Nov 20 21:44:41 <mru> or slap a varnish cache in front of it
Nov 20 21:44:48 <alan_o> or use node.js
Nov 20 21:44:49 <alan_o> :)
Nov 20 21:45:03 <alan_o> I can't seem to go one day without referencing that video....
Nov 20 21:45:05 <dm8tbr> bzzzt, BINGO!
Nov 20 21:45:08 <woglinde> nodejs for the win
Nov 20 21:45:09 <woglinde> haha
Nov 20 21:45:45 <alan_o> In reality, I don't know the first thing about node.js. Hopefully I don't ever have to.
Nov 20 21:48:10 <mdp> alan_o, rockstar!
Nov 20 21:48:47 <mdp> dm8tbr: linaro could invent the concept of a web server in the kernel, perhaps
Nov 20 21:49:03 <mdp> maybe break some popular benchmark records
Nov 20 21:49:18 <mru> the linaro kernel people are actually good
Nov 20 21:49:24 <mru> believe it or not
Nov 20 21:49:31 <mdp> sure, I know who they are ;)
Nov 20 21:49:32 <_av500_> we do
Nov 20 21:49:35 <mru> they write patches, not blog posts
Nov 20 21:49:55 <mdp> we need more blog posts
Nov 20 21:50:37 <prpplague> alan_o: headhunter sent me that as part of embedded linux opportunity
Nov 20 21:50:37 <mdp> dsaxena and I were trying to figure out the purpose of drivers/base/soc.c the other day..the SoCbus
Nov 20 21:50:42 <mdp> very curious
Nov 20 21:51:00 <panto> it's a riddle wrapped in a mystery
Nov 20 21:51:03 <mdp> mru, a linaro contribution, incidentally
Nov 20 21:51:12 <_av500_> mdp: I heard the NoCbus drives people to google and apple
Nov 20 21:51:32 <mdp> panto, I will contract you for a PRUSSbus
Nov 20 21:51:39 <mdp> can haz sysfs nodez?
Nov 20 21:51:46 <_av500_> node.jz
Nov 20 21:51:53 <panto> node.sysfs
Nov 20 21:51:57 <mru> _av500_: gzipped js?
Nov 20 21:52:08 <_av500_> wait, node.jwz
Nov 20 21:52:21 <mru> node.lzw
Nov 20 21:52:29 <_av500_> lharc ftw
Nov 20 21:52:42 <mru> node.arjs
Nov 20 21:52:53 <_av500_> pulsenode
Nov 20 21:54:32 <prpplague> ho ho hum
Nov 20 21:55:19 <prpplague> mdp: hey btw, i could not get it to come up again, but i saw your 6502 info past by on the news ticker at dice.com
Nov 20 21:55:36 <mdp> prpplague: are there recruiting buses with booth babes driving up and down TI Blvd right now?
Nov 20 21:55:48 <mdp> prpplague: lol, that's too funny
Nov 20 21:55:50 <prpplague> mdp: probably
Nov 20 21:56:33 <xiphiasx_> so
Nov 20 21:56:36 <prpplague> mdp: the person i am concerned about is my friend Mihai who is a lab tech
Nov 20 21:56:37 <xiphiasx_> i got a beagleboard-xm
Nov 20 21:56:39 <xiphiasx_> only problem is
Nov 20 21:56:39 <mdp> prpplague: I can imagine them circling right now
Nov 20 21:56:43 <xiphiasx_> i forgot to buy the power supply
Nov 20 21:56:45 <prpplague> mdp: he's a freakin artist with a soldering iron
Nov 20 21:56:48 <xiphiasx_> and i don't have any power supplies compatible
Nov 20 21:56:49 <_av500_> 5v, 2A
Nov 20 21:56:57 <_av500_> use the one from your usb hub
Nov 20 21:56:57 <prpplague> mdp: but not very good at selling himself to potential employers
Nov 20 21:57:01 <mdp> ugh
Nov 20 21:57:27 <xiphiasx_> _av500_: what?
Nov 20 21:57:28 <prpplague> mdp: i was going to ping gerald to see if there is anything open in his neck of the wood
Nov 20 21:57:53 <xiphiasx_> i can't power the board via USB OTG, i don't have any cables that fit the port for it
Nov 20 21:58:15 <mdp> hopefully so, I know the lab tech at my first moto job was total gold...we would have failed without his magic
Nov 20 21:58:23 <xiphiasx_> and i don't have a USB hub
Nov 20 21:58:41 <dm8tbr> buy a cheap hub with a power supply
Nov 20 21:58:53 <dm8tbr> easiest and cheapest way to get one
Nov 20 21:59:14 <dm8tbr> most of them come with the right size of connector (unless you buy one of those super tiny hubs)
Nov 20 21:59:17 <xiphiasx_> heh, alright
Nov 20 21:59:27 <xiphiasx_> i thought i losing my mind for a minute
Nov 20 21:59:56 <xiphiasx_> i could just buy the power supply off of digikey though
Nov 20 22:00:33 <_av500_> sure
Nov 20 22:00:38 <_av500_> 5V, 2A
Nov 20 22:00:47 <_av500_> or more
Nov 20 22:00:54 <_av500_> more A, not V
Nov 20 22:00:58 <woglinde> or your local dealer
Nov 20 22:01:18 <woglinde> if it is urgent
Nov 20 22:01:25 <panto> definitely don't do 2V 5A
Nov 20 22:02:33 <dm8tbr> 5kV 0.002A might be interesting though
Nov 20 22:02:35 <xiphiasx_> alright
Nov 20 22:02:42 <xiphiasx_> well
Nov 20 22:02:45 <xiphiasx_> i almost blew up the board
Nov 20 22:02:48 <xiphiasx_> i didn't realize it
Nov 20 22:02:57 <xiphiasx_> but the adapter i have outputs AC 10.5V
Nov 20 22:03:17 <woglinde> lol
Nov 20 22:03:18 <xiphiasx_> this is what happens when you're annoyed that you did not buy an adapter for something you bought
Nov 20 22:05:23 <_av500_> you just take any random one
Nov 20 22:05:54 <xiphiasx_> i got every single power adapter with that connector
Nov 20 22:05:58 <xiphiasx_> none of them will work
Nov 20 22:05:58 <xiphiasx_> heh
Nov 20 22:07:41 <mranostay> are we talking power supplies now
Nov 20 22:10:02 <xiphiasx_> yeah
Nov 21 01:03:41 <bob_> hi, I'm new to computing/computing in linux environments, so I apologize if this is a bad question, When I got my beaglebone I set it up and loaded the cloud9 IDE, everything worked great. Today I loaded the newest angstrom distribution, everything with it seems fine, however I've been getting this error when I try to connect to the cloud9 IDE through the beaglebone website "Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory '/usr/share/cloud9/serv
Nov 21 01:04:25 <bob_> Did I do something wrong? Is the server down today?
Nov 21 01:04:27 <thurbad> are you using cloud9 or angstrom?
Nov 21 01:04:55 <bob_> I have angstrom on the beaglebone. I was attempting to connect to cloud9 through the beaglebone website
Nov 21 01:05:15 <bob_> I took the SD with the OS on it out of the beagleboard
Nov 21 01:05:20 <bob_> to connect to cloud9
Nov 21 01:05:41 <bob_> beaglebone*
Nov 21 01:07:52 <bob_> I followed the website's quickstart instructions
Nov 21 01:09:12 <thurbad> so you're running an the cloud9 stuff now?
Nov 21 01:14:32 <bob_> I am trying to
Nov 21 01:14:38 <bob_> unsuccessfully
Nov 21 01:17:38 <bob_> i seem to be getting that error only after I've downloaded the newest version of the beaglbone OS
Nov 21 01:24:12 <thurbad> what you put on a different SD shouldn't affect cloud9
Nov 21 01:24:53 <bob_> any thoughts on what it might be?
Nov 21 01:25:01 <newperson> Hi, how to use the timer4 pin with bonescript?
Nov 21 01:30:39 <newperson> hello?
Nov 21 01:31:50 <bob_> I also sometime get "server not found"
Nov 21 01:39:28 <newperson> is it possible to set spi clock speed in bonescript
Nov 21 01:40:44 <mranostay> god why?
Nov 21 01:44:20 <mranostay> howdy pfefferz
Nov 21 01:44:34 <newperson> hi mranostay
Nov 21 01:48:15 <newperson> hello anyone on?
Nov 21 01:48:52 <mranostay> nope
Nov 21 01:49:41 <newperson> is it possible to change spi clk speed with bonescript?
Nov 21 01:49:57 <ka6sox-away> why would you want to do that?
Nov 21 01:50:24 <newperson> im hooking it to a 16bit ADC
Nov 21 01:50:30 <newperson> and I need 1mhz clock
Nov 21 01:50:46 <newperson> for that ADC*
Nov 21 01:52:10 <mranostay> newperson: and why aren't you using the AIN on the bone?
Nov 21 01:53:28 <newperson> because on board one is only 8 bit is not precise enough for my data gathering
Nov 21 01:53:49 <mranostay> it is 12-bits
Nov 21 01:55:05 <newperson> i need 16 bit though im dealing with a big range and need small steps
Nov 21 01:55:50 <mranostay> you really can't do that spi stuff in userspace. sanely
Nov 21 01:56:45 <newperson> but i can set it a certain speed in python or something and still use bone script to run. correct?
Nov 21 01:59:30 <ds2> is that a challenge?
Nov 21 02:01:52 <mdp> the proper way to do it is to write an iio adc driver for your spi adc..it drives at whatever clock speed
Nov 21 02:02:11 <mdp> and then you suck data from a convenient ring buffer that's part of the iio userspace api
Nov 21 02:03:13 <mranostay> mdp: but can i bit bang it?
Nov 21 02:03:34 <mranostay> newperson: note where i said sane.
Nov 21 02:05:24 <mdp> mranostay, you can, but I will publicly ridicule you
Nov 21 02:05:47 <mdp> linus will personally signal you as his #1 favorite developer too
Nov 21 02:21:53 <prpplague> alan_o: re
Nov 21 02:21:55 * prpplague wonders
Nov 21 02:22:02 <prpplague> is a three page resume a "bad thing" ?
Nov 21 02:22:14 * prpplague wonders
Nov 21 02:22:28 <prpplague> is using "synergy" in a resume a "bad thing" ?
Nov 21 02:22:30 <mdp> there's no rule
Nov 21 02:22:38 <mdp> prpplague: synergy is always welcome
Nov 21 02:22:50 * prpplague wonders
Nov 21 02:22:55 <mdp> prpplague: I can offer you a slide
Nov 21 02:23:03 <prpplague> is using "experience with the use of bonescript" in a resume a "bad thing" ?
Nov 21 02:23:29 <mdp> add keywords to that "node.jfs" "badass" "rockstar"
Nov 21 02:23:42 <mdp> jfs!
Nov 21 02:23:49 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 21 02:24:08 <mdp> this means I need to go vegetate and visit with beer and my personal assistant
Nov 21 02:24:09 <mdp> bbt
Nov 21 02:24:30 <alan_o> personal assistant.....
Nov 21 02:24:51 <prpplague> mdp: add a QR code on the resume that when scanned that takes you to a url that has "I AM A PROGRAMMING GOD!"
Nov 21 02:25:19 <prpplague> alan_o: see that is blackmail material
Nov 21 02:25:34 <prpplague> alan_o: send that quote to his "assistant"
Nov 21 02:25:38 <alan_o> prpplague: hehe
Nov 21 02:26:12 <prpplague> alan_o: ELC-2013?
Nov 21 02:26:13 <alan_o> prpplague: 3 page resume isn't bad. Just call it a CV. That's what medical people do.
Nov 21 02:26:35 <alan_o> yeah, I need to get on that....
Nov 21 02:26:42 <alan_o> I didn't see a deadline. I should check that again.
Nov 21 02:27:40 <alan_o> prpplague: Jan 4, CFP closed, Jan 14, accept/reject noification
Nov 21 02:27:45 <prpplague> alan_o: hehe, yea, we call it a CV in our house anyway during conversations
Nov 21 02:27:57 <prpplague> alan_o: yea short deadline
Nov 21 02:28:16 <alan_o> I'm more having a chuckle at the 10 days between close and notification :)
Nov 21 02:28:31 <alan_o> We should set and over/under.
Nov 21 02:28:36 <prpplague> alan_o: i should get a bunch of purple swag shirts made to give away that read "I am Plague"
Nov 21 02:28:59 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 21 02:29:05 <alan_o> yeah man. And we could all hand out your resume when people ask what it is...
Nov 21 02:29:13 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 21 02:29:15 <alan_o> "I'm glad you asked"
Nov 21 02:29:17 * prpplague makes a note
Nov 21 02:29:36 * prpplague needs something fun for ELC-2013
Nov 21 02:29:41 <alan_o> hey, we get 50 minutes to talk at ELC-SF
Nov 21 02:29:52 <prpplague> alan_o: ?
Nov 21 02:30:14 <alan_o> We got 45 in spain
Nov 21 02:30:30 <prpplague> alan_o: elce this last time was a nightmare on planning
Nov 21 02:30:33 * alan_o just learned that ctrl-w logs out of the channel.
Nov 21 02:30:49 <prpplague> alan_o: LF kind of screwed ELC on this
Nov 21 02:30:59 <alan_o> screwed ELC in favor of LC?
Nov 21 02:31:00 <prpplague> alan_o: that is why the next set of conferences are not at the same time
Nov 21 02:31:04 <prpplague> yea
Nov 21 02:31:18 <alan_o> I wonder what the people at LC are doing.
Nov 21 02:31:26 * prpplague grumbles
Nov 21 02:31:33 <prpplague> i really need to finish updating my CV
Nov 21 02:31:53 <alan_o> Do you get work with your CV?
Nov 21 02:32:01 <alan_o> I've found that I don't really need it since being independent
Nov 21 02:32:08 <alan_o> people aren't interested in seeing it for the most part
Nov 21 02:32:16 <alan_o> recruiters are, but they're mostly useless anyway
Nov 21 02:32:28 <alan_o> (mostly, a couple good ones that I like)
Nov 21 02:32:52 <alan_o> Slide Due Date: We would very much appreciate it if you could please submit your slides (in .PDF format only) by February 13th.
Nov 21 02:32:52 <prpplague> alan_o: i find it more of a "confirmation" than anything else
Nov 21 02:33:05 <alan_o> "slide due date" is another chuckle
Nov 21 02:33:09 <prpplague> indeed
Nov 21 02:33:19 <alan_o> I know multiple people who were up all night the night before their talks this time
Nov 21 02:33:47 <alan_o> I mean up all night working on slides
Nov 21 02:34:22 <alan_o> LF has no leverage over presenters
Nov 21 02:34:34 <alan_o> because they're not paying them anything, and they _need_ presenters.
Nov 21 02:35:09 <alan_o> You know what I'd like to see, is a presenter's guide that goes out before the show
Nov 21 02:35:22 <alan_o> there are a lot of people who make a lot of easy mistakes
Nov 21 02:35:34 <alan_o> and it's just because they don't know
Nov 21 02:36:00 <alan_o> stuff like, when someone asks a question, repeat the question into the mic. Even Linus messed that up.
Nov 21 02:36:28 <alan_o> It'd also be nice to be told what the resolution and size of the projector will be, so we can plan for font sizes.
Nov 21 02:37:02 <alan_o> or have some kind of guideline. "we recommend size $POINTS or larger of $FONT" or whatever
Nov 21 02:39:55 <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
Nov 21 02:40:27 <alan_o> prpplague: I'm telling you this in case you're on the committee next time :)
Nov 21 02:40:36 <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
Nov 21 02:40:48 <prpplague> alan_o: indeed
Nov 21 02:40:59 <prpplague> alan_o: think i will put something together
Nov 21 02:41:12 <alan_o> Also, what the heck was with the lecturns? I was in my presentation room the night before and had the guy move the cables to the little table.
Nov 21 02:41:16 <prpplague> alan_o: so i figured out a couple things last time
Nov 21 02:41:28 <alan_o> yeah?
Nov 21 02:41:54 <prpplague> alan_o: i'm doing some small business cards with the resource page url and my contact info , maybe a qr code or something
Nov 21 02:42:05 <prpplague> alan_o: get some of those cheap black and white 250 cards deals
Nov 21 02:42:11 <alan_o> prpplague: oh, nice...
Nov 21 02:42:15 <alan_o> vistaprint for free
Nov 21 02:42:18 <prpplague> yea
Nov 21 02:42:30 <alan_o> I saw people taking pictures of my contact info slide
Nov 21 02:42:36 <prpplague> yea
Nov 21 02:42:38 <prpplague> mine too
Nov 21 02:42:50 <prpplague> that way after the show they can just grab one
Nov 21 02:42:56 <alan_o> The cool thing about OSS is that we're all so easy to find.
Nov 21 02:43:16 <prpplague> the other is is i am going to add a survey url on the back of the card with some sort of give away
Nov 21 02:43:20 <prpplague> so i can get some feedback
Nov 21 02:43:58 <alan_o> hmmm.
Nov 21 02:43:59 <alan_o> eah
Nov 21 02:44:00 <alan_o> yeah
Nov 21 02:44:06 <prpplague> alan_o: hey, just because people know they can find me in the closest bar is not a feature of OSS
Nov 21 02:44:12 <alan_o> "free iPad to first 200 people to fill out my survey"
Nov 21 02:44:17 <prpplague> yea
Nov 21 02:44:19 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 21 02:44:25 <alan_o> prpplague: hah!
Nov 21 02:44:58 <alan_o> I could give away one of my capes!
Nov 21 02:46:09 <alan_o> "first 50 respondants get exact steps"
Nov 21 02:46:12 <alan_o> the rest can google
Nov 21 02:53:37 <prpplague> alan_o: mranostay can make the first 50 people radiactive to test his cape
Nov 21 02:55:07 <alan_o> prpplague: first 50 people get to swallow a cesium test disc.
Nov 21 02:55:27 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 21 02:57:05 <prpplague> alan_o: "normally for this part of the demo it is very boring, but fortunately, thanks to the linux foundation, we have imported all the chairs for the conference from fukushima...."
Nov 21 02:58:46 <alan_o> "person in the most radioactive chair wins a gift card"  (passes the Geiger counter around)
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