**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 02 02:59:59 2012 Dec 02 06:18:45 _av500_: is my beer choice acceptable? :) Dec 02 06:32:13 it'll do Dec 02 06:35:34 * mranostay is curious about the github key prop time.. Dec 02 06:37:06 mdp: this PRU stuff is addicting :) Dec 02 06:48:55 welcome mr Russ Dec 02 06:57:28 mranostay: has a end-of-caturday sprint... Dec 02 06:58:17 the only one missing was "no, I will NOT fix your computer" Dec 02 06:58:59 heh Dec 02 07:06:52 ka6sox-away: is that a request? :P Dec 02 07:29:42 <_av500_> mranostay: I was told spaten causes headaches Dec 02 07:31:01 _av500_: from who? Dec 02 07:31:07 <_av500_> Munich people Dec 02 07:31:18 <_av500_> but you probably get some watered down export stuff :) Dec 02 07:31:24 hey! Dec 02 07:32:08 _av500_: did they drink 12 bottles? :) Dec 02 07:32:17 <_av500_> probably Dec 02 07:32:25 <_av500_> one glass full is 1 liter, you know Dec 02 07:32:42 you live outside of FRA right? Dec 02 07:32:59 does Frankfurt have a Oktoberfest of any scale? Dec 02 07:37:26 _av500_: why was Edinburgh picked for ELCE 2013? :) Dec 02 07:37:54 Munich would have been so much better and easier for most people to get visas that required it Dec 02 07:45:39 <_av500_> mranostay: there is only 1 oktoberfest Dec 02 07:45:46 <_av500_> it is in munich Dec 02 07:45:55 <_av500_> beer otoh can be had in many places Dec 02 07:46:26 need to visit Germany at some point Dec 02 07:46:36 i'm mostly of german heritage Dec 02 07:47:25 <_av500_> come any time Dec 02 07:47:53 yeah the problem is vacation time at my current company sucks Dec 02 07:48:17 and they are going to the nvidia model of no set time off.... Dec 02 07:48:40 <_av500_> why not keep people at the desk 24/7? Dec 02 07:48:59 <_av500_> I mean, lesss traffic jams Dec 02 07:49:25 that is what they want.. Dec 02 07:50:44 a wonderfull snows sunday morning everyone! Dec 02 07:50:53 not here Dec 02 07:51:05 <-- dealt with snow for 24 years and that was too long Dec 02 07:51:21 <_av500_> arf, I knew not to trust US shirt sizes Dec 02 07:51:35 _av500_: woot? Dec 02 07:51:35 too small? Dec 02 07:51:45 i'm a medium for reference Dec 02 07:52:05 mranostay: there can't be enough snow in winter Dec 02 07:53:06 zero snow here and that is how i likes it Dec 02 07:53:56 * KotH sends mranostay to a work camp in sibiria Dec 02 07:54:10 <_av500_> KotH: it will be after a washing :( Dec 02 07:54:53 <_av500_> mranostay: google t-shirts are the most fun, they say XL and fit my kids Dec 02 07:55:13 _av500_: there is no standard Dec 02 07:55:32 at least shoes are somewhat so Dec 02 07:56:25 <_av500_> mranostay: this shop had measurement for the sizes Dec 02 07:56:27 <_av500_> all bollocks Dec 02 07:56:36 <_av500_> I'll stick to 3xl always Dec 02 07:56:40 <_av500_> that worked in the pas Dec 02 07:56:41 <_av500_> past Dec 02 07:56:46 heh Dec 02 07:56:53 _av500_: where did you buy it? Dec 02 07:56:57 is there a giant size? Dec 02 07:57:03 _av500_: so i know not to buy there anything :) Dec 02 07:57:37 i've noticed i only wear shirts of companies i never worked at or previously worked at. at work :) Dec 02 07:58:02 coincidence? i think not! Dec 02 08:01:09 <_av500_> KotH: qwertee.com Dec 02 08:04:54 _av500_: uhmm... Dec 02 08:05:03 _av500_: you've read the title of the page? Dec 02 08:05:16 _av500_: "_cheap_ [..] t-shirts" Dec 02 08:07:29 _av500_: order one of each size to be sure Dec 02 08:44:25 <_av500_> KotH: yes, its cheap Dec 02 08:44:29 <_av500_> thin fabric Dec 02 08:44:41 <_av500_> still its too small and the size measurements were bogus Dec 02 08:52:06 you get what you pay for Dec 02 08:55:40 and if you wouldnt be so cheap, you could get good stuff Dec 02 08:56:14 like me, i'm currently eating a delicious sprüngli chocolate-organge cake :) Dec 02 08:57:25 it's the season again: http://www.foxtrot.com/2010/12/12192010/ Dec 02 09:09:22 as we know, there is one red shirt who survived Dec 02 15:24:53 does ubuntu 12.04 support the SGX drivers? Dec 02 15:25:10 and if so, does it require a manual kernel compile? Dec 02 15:28:55 hm sgx should work Dec 02 16:45:37 out of the box? Dec 02 16:46:32 i've seen a couple images floating around, what's the best source, the ones from Robert Nelson? Dec 02 16:46:41 I thought I read somewhere that the ubuntu images underclocked the CPU Dec 02 16:46:59 if there were a single best, there wouldn't be so many Dec 02 16:47:40 I'm just really after the best quality h264 playback in a browser I can muster Dec 02 16:48:01 so I figured that absolutely required the SGX drivers, am I mistaken? Dec 02 16:48:29 i'm also a little confused on the lack of omapfb in 12.10 (looks like it's still in 12.04), are those deprecated? Dec 02 17:29:47 Hi all ! Dec 02 18:32:40 <_av500_> all Hi Dec 02 18:33:00 <_av500_> xenome: sgx helps little for H264 Dec 02 18:33:21 <_av500_> it might speed up color conversion if you use shaders for that Dec 02 18:33:23 av500 psst dont discourage him Dec 02 18:33:28 <_av500_> but the actual decode is all on the CPU Dec 02 18:33:41 oh Dec 02 18:34:07 ah right he needs dsp! Dec 02 18:34:09 on a beagle you _really_ should use dss for colour conversion Dec 02 18:34:13 <_av500_> erm, bone or BB? Dec 02 18:34:27 <_av500_> mru: that wont do planar to packed Dec 02 18:34:39 that's trivial to do fast enough in neon Dec 02 18:34:45 <_av500_> true that Dec 02 18:35:02 <_av500_> im too much in omap4 android mindset already :) Dec 02 18:35:16 av500 *g* Dec 02 18:35:19 <_av500_> using the sgxy might even slow stuff down as the mem BW might go up Dec 02 18:35:29 <_av500_> and you dont want that on omap3 Dec 02 18:35:31 my point Dec 02 18:35:41 <_av500_> so, on BB, use the DSP for SD resolution H264 Dec 02 18:35:45 <_av500_> on bone, cry Dec 02 18:35:56 for sd resolution, the a8 is plenty fast enough Dec 02 18:36:02 <_av500_> depedns Dec 02 18:36:04 <_av500_> not HP Dec 02 18:36:09 depends on bitrate Dec 02 18:36:15 if you have insane bitrate, no Dec 02 18:36:16 <_av500_> and CABAC!! :) Dec 02 18:36:20 are you guys using angstrom or ubuntu primary? Dec 02 18:36:26 primarily rather Dec 02 18:36:28 * _av500_ uses Linux Dec 02 18:36:30 for sane bitrates of a few Mbps, it's fine Dec 02 18:36:32 android for the win Dec 02 18:36:34 haha Dec 02 18:36:48 <_av500_> xenome: bone or BB? Dec 02 18:36:52 bbxm Dec 02 18:36:57 <_av500_> ah ok Dec 02 18:37:01 <_av500_> so you can do h264 on the DSP Dec 02 18:37:02 any xenome why you need a fast h264 browser? Dec 02 18:37:15 <_av500_> utube Dec 02 18:37:17 on xm @1GHz, the a8 can decode any sd Dec 02 18:37:18 sime in market commercials device? Dec 02 18:37:27 oh porn Dec 02 18:37:29 yes Dec 02 18:37:59 oh yeah, all of the above Dec 02 18:38:01 ls Dec 02 18:38:09 <_av500_> mru: using the dsp might free the arm for other stuff Dec 02 18:38:15 <_av500_> like doing all that .js files Dec 02 18:38:22 *g* Dec 02 18:38:22 sure, if you can get dsp codecs Dec 02 18:38:28 <_av500_> that seem en vogue these days Dec 02 18:38:47 av500 can the dsp run all bitrates? Dec 02 18:38:54 of course not Dec 02 18:38:58 ;) Dec 02 18:39:08 i'm perhaps mixing apples/oranges, but does uEnv.txt replace boot.cmd and boot.scr? Dec 02 18:39:08 but a8+dsp > a8 Dec 02 18:39:39 xenome for uEnv.txt you can use plain text Dec 02 18:39:53 and yes the latest u-boot use it Dec 02 18:40:33 I tried downloading the narcissis image, and it doesn't have a boot.scr set by default....and my bb comes up a 640 and a monitor that blinks quite frequently Dec 02 18:41:20 o.O Dec 02 18:41:29 yes its using uEnv.txt Dec 02 18:41:53 but it does have a directory full of scripts, but no uEnv.txt file Dec 02 18:42:12 so the XM doesn't have NAND, it just jumps to the mmc and looks for MLO Dec 02 18:42:26 which then calls uboot, which then would read the scripts? Dec 02 18:42:33 or in the updated version, uEnv.txt Dec 02 18:46:27 sorry, that was a question Dec 02 18:49:20 <_av500_> a full image should have Uenv.xtx Dec 02 18:49:23 <_av500_> txt even Dec 02 18:49:39 <_av500_> no idea what anrcissus outputs, but thew demo images or what ships with the XM has that for sure Dec 02 18:54:20 yeah the demo image seems to work best for me Dec 02 18:54:38 do I need to do anything special to get youtube working? Dec 02 18:55:04 i don't want to install flash - doesn't youtube support h264? Dec 02 18:55:23 for some videos it can do html5 Dec 02 19:06:05 html 5 uses h264 in /some/ browsers Dec 02 19:06:36 youtube has h264 of all videos Dec 02 19:06:41 if you can figure out how to get it Dec 02 19:07:10 yes, but not all browsers support h264 in html 5 Dec 02 19:07:30 true Dec 02 19:07:50 koen: boardzoo website seems to be broken Dec 02 19:07:51 it does work for html5 Dec 02 19:07:59 it's the 90s all over again Dec 02 19:08:20 there looks to be a little bit of a sync delay though Dec 02 19:09:18 the fonts don't look super awesome in running the demo image, is there anything I can do about that? They don't look antialiased Dec 02 19:12:02 though they do look much better after selecting subpixel smoothing Dec 02 19:13:39 mru: you mean the browser wars and all those incompatible html extensions Dec 02 19:14:07 Dec 02 19:14:10 gif* Dec 02 19:14:16 fphover.jar Dec 02 19:14:29 http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/ Dec 02 19:26:52 does the demo image not load the SGX drivers as kernel modules? Dec 02 19:26:59 i see no mention of them in dmesg Dec 02 19:29:21 hello friends and countrymen Dec 02 19:30:51 check lsmod? Dec 02 19:32:04 i have omaplfb and pvrsrvkm in kernel/drivers/gpu Dec 02 19:32:22 but they're not shown as loaded Dec 02 19:48:38 Hi mranostay Dec 02 19:48:47 What's new on the left coast? Dec 02 19:49:02 Did I read correctly that you're working today? Dec 02 19:51:48 should the bbxm demo image have a uEnv.txt file? Dec 02 19:52:06 <_av500_> xenome: think so Dec 02 19:53:06 hmm, mine does not, nor does it have a boot.scr file Dec 02 19:53:22 lookings like it's using ubut-bb-2001.2r75 Dec 02 19:53:26 2011 rather Dec 02 20:02:59 it is/was raining Dec 02 20:03:03 they are all panicing Dec 02 20:03:15 where is the ARK?!?!? Dec 02 20:03:47 wait, the sun just came out Dec 02 20:05:28 <_av500_> I heard CA was drowning Dec 02 20:24:47 anyone recognize the error: PVRShell: Unable to initliase EGL - I'm trying to run the SGX demos Dec 02 20:25:00 <_av500_> yes Dec 02 20:25:09 <_av500_> often reported by peole that try to run the SGX demos Dec 02 20:25:13 <_av500_> people Dec 02 20:25:41 it looks like I might have to change the uEnv.txt, but I'm not sure if that's really the problem Dec 02 20:25:50 as I don't have one at the moment :) Dec 02 20:26:15 maybe the problem is a lack of understanding ^^' Dec 02 20:26:25 oh I'm sure it is Dec 02 20:26:50 you know what uenv.txt is for? Dec 02 20:27:06 and why you would need to change it? Dec 02 20:27:09 setting the uboot env variables Dec 02 20:27:24 the only hit I got on that error was a discussion about having to force 16-bit mode in the fb Dec 02 20:28:06 since I don't have that file at the moment, I'm guessing uboot just sets the default found in /proc/cmdline Dec 02 20:28:19 omapdss.def_disp=dvi Dec 02 21:34:02 KotH: weekend trolling? Dec 02 21:34:43 trolling is omnitemporal Dec 02 21:50:36 is trolling is lifestyle choice or are you born with it? :) Dec 02 21:51:03 I think I was born with it Dec 02 21:51:13 I remember doing it when I was 3 or 4 Dec 02 21:52:50 your poor parents Dec 02 21:55:06 one occasion I clearly recall involved my grandmothers Dec 02 22:09:02 mru: go on Dec 02 22:23:31 mru: trolling the college thread? :) Dec 02 22:24:53 no, just offering my opinion Dec 02 22:40:24 do you have an opinion on midori+html5 support under ubuntu, I can't seem to get that to work Dec 02 22:40:31 works fine in angstrom Dec 03 00:15:25 in 2012 you'd think one coffee shop would have wifi that didn't suck Dec 03 00:15:44 can't see why they would Dec 03 00:15:50 even the coffee sucks in most Dec 03 00:16:32 yeah i do it mainly to get out of the apartment Dec 03 00:16:41 I only visit them on the off chance that the barista is cute Dec 03 00:17:17 well that too Dec 03 00:18:06 geez the degree thread is still going on? Dec 03 00:18:26 seems that way Dec 03 00:18:55 i love the hang with like people Dec 03 00:19:07 s/people/trolls/ Dec 03 00:19:38 if that means get wasted after class i don't have to pop 80k+ on it :) Dec 03 00:19:56 education is free in sweden Dec 03 00:19:59 still didn't finish Dec 03 00:20:08 heh Dec 03 00:20:19 mru: boring? Dec 03 00:20:36 master's thesis, yes Dec 03 00:20:51 all about form and execution, little about actual content Dec 03 00:21:15 it's mainly a primer for phd studies Dec 03 00:21:29 which I had no interest in pursuing Dec 03 00:21:53 Doctor Mans has a nice right to it Dec 03 00:23:43 mru: so the PRU has no concept of a stack correct? Dec 03 00:26:08 hi Dec 03 00:26:44 one question Dec 03 00:26:56 One answer., Dec 03 00:27:04 :) Dec 03 00:27:16 for how long can the beagleboard be turned on? Dec 03 00:27:24 has anyone had any success with midori and html5 video tags? Dec 03 00:27:33 aztrovoi: until it fails Dec 03 00:28:01 some of mine have been running more or less continuously for several years Dec 03 00:28:05 mru: how long was that before it happend? Dec 03 00:28:16 mru: amazing Dec 03 00:28:59 mru: which one do you recommend? beagleboard or beaglebone? Dec 03 00:29:07 my beagleboard xM has been on for i'd say two years minus moving it cross country Dec 03 00:29:24 aztrovoi: are you doing hardware hacking? Dec 03 00:29:49 mranostay: i;m planning to use it as a webserver Dec 03 00:30:21 mranostay:but i was worried that if i left it on for a long time, it could be a problem Dec 03 00:30:32 none of these boards make good web servers Dec 03 00:30:55 I hate to say it, but you're better off with something from marvell for that Dec 03 00:31:00 heh unless you are the only one visiting it :) Dec 03 00:31:02 mru: is that so? not even with kickass distro? Dec 03 00:31:12 hehe Dec 03 00:31:21 no distro can make a sata port magically appear Dec 03 00:31:46 @mru @mranostay: :( Dec 03 00:32:05 marvell have some chips with sata and GbE Dec 03 00:32:17 mru: sata cape? Dec 03 00:32:27 sure... Dec 03 00:32:28 just bitbang sata Dec 03 00:32:30 can we bitbang it? Dec 03 00:33:23 I had this evil idea to implement sata over video out and camera in using lots of external logic Dec 03 00:33:28 no idea where to even begin on that Dec 03 00:33:30 @mru @mranostay: so beagle is a big no no for a lightweight server? Dec 03 00:33:41 mru: how are the drugs in the UK? :P Dec 03 00:33:51 mranostay: illegal Dec 03 00:34:07 well techically here as well Dec 03 00:34:22 although my back is starting to annoy me ;) Dec 03 00:34:30 hehe Dec 03 00:34:44 honestly, I don't smoke Dec 03 00:35:16 come to mexico... here are legal Dec 03 00:35:34 even cops buy them Dec 03 00:35:35 i value my head staying attached to my body k thx Dec 03 00:36:15 yeah i really want to end up ona episode of Locked Up Abroad Dec 03 00:36:31 that's why you travel with geiger tubes? Dec 03 00:36:49 that would be an interesting episode Dec 03 00:37:21 mru: what would be ther charge? spying? Dec 03 00:37:40 I've contemplated testing just how suspiciously you can behave at an airport before someone comes and starts asking questions Dec 03 00:39:15 mru: in the security line or just around it? Dec 03 00:39:27 anywhere Dec 03 00:40:20 be sure to do it on the return flight Dec 03 00:40:30 hehe Dec 03 00:41:05 I wouldn't even think of trying something like that outside europe though Dec 03 00:41:23 europe is still a little civilised Dec 03 00:48:37 mru: i resent that sir! Dec 03 00:50:29 mdp: you here by the off chance? Dec 03 01:02:50 mranostay: don't joke about bitbanging sata Dec 03 01:03:05 mranostay: I've had multiple customers wanting to do exactly that Dec 03 01:03:27 using gpio instead of gpmc Dec 03 01:06:41 koen: are they doing crack cocaine? :) Dec 03 01:07:07 more like snorting ground-up rpis Dec 03 01:20:56 Nice... how fast did they get? Dec 03 01:22:39 ds2: ? Dec 03 01:27:24 does sound work with ubuntu 12.04? Dec 03 01:29:53 well that is vague Dec 03 01:30:22 I see a bunch of snd modules loaded, but I get no output and can't seem to open an alsa mixer Dec 03 01:34:21 what board? Dec 03 01:34:25 bbxm Dec 03 01:34:48 i haven't tried to build the custom kernel yet as I can't get past the ia32-libs dependency yet Dec 03 01:35:16 i started with rob nelson's ubuntu 12.04 image then did the lxde install Dec 03 01:35:29 i guess I figured that would automagically get the sound system going Dec 03 01:36:05 try manually loading whichever of snd_soc_twl4030, snd_soc_omap3beagle, snd_soc_omap_mcbsp, snd_soc_omap are not loaded already Dec 03 01:36:17 bitbang Dec 03 01:37:56 i have twl4030, omap, mcbsp, soc_core pcm snd snd_timer all loaded Dec 03 01:38:09 looks like just no omap3beagle Dec 03 01:39:11 so modprobe it manually Dec 03 01:39:33 I fixed auto-loading of those modules some time last year Dec 03 01:40:05 but the patches got lost/ignored and they no longer apply cleanly Dec 03 01:41:22 Crofton: war ballon? Dec 03 01:42:07 well Dec 03 01:42:18 they launched one that crossed the atlantic Dec 03 01:42:38 and some of the way there, It was dubbed the war ballon Dec 03 01:43:06 http://www.californianearspaceproject.com/ Dec 03 01:43:47 californian ear space project? Dec 03 01:43:59 or "ears pace"? Dec 03 01:44:04 what are californian ears? Dec 03 01:44:44 * mranostay smacks mru Dec 03 01:45:19 http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FK6RPT-11&timerange=259200 Dec 03 01:49:04 mru: that looks like it helped, alsa finds a mixer now...but when I add mixer controls the only thing that looks like volume output is Earpiece level Dec 03 01:49:11 is that really the primary output control? Dec 03 01:49:36 it's way more obscure Dec 03 01:50:55 or maybe they renamed it Dec 03 01:51:03 just mess around until you get sound Dec 03 01:51:46 try the Headset controls Dec 03 01:52:57 Crofton: what is the oribital rate at 20 miles up? Dec 03 01:53:18 hmm, no joy Dec 03 01:54:01 have you installed any of the pulseaudio packages? Dec 03 01:54:15 no Dec 03 01:59:04 mranostay, the wind drives the ballon Dec 03 02:03:12 oh crap, got it working...and now I've blown out my ears Dec 03 02:03:46 thanks mru, looks like it was headset Dec 03 02:03:54 Does anyone here know where I can find the function "am33xx_register_lcdc" Dec 03 02:04:06 It gets called from lcdc_init, but I want to know exactly what it does. Dec 03 02:04:12 I can't seem to find it though. Dec 03 02:04:34 grep is your friend Dec 03 02:05:15 I ran 'grep -r "am33xx_register_lcdc"' last night and it still hasn't finished... Dec 03 02:05:17 Or found anything. Dec 03 02:05:49 if the omap3beagle module isn't loading automatically, should I just put it in /etc/modules? Dec 03 02:05:58 or is this indicative of something more serious that needs addressing Dec 03 02:17:08 Crofton: isn't it about 0.04 psi at that height? Dec 03 02:22:18 the ballon expands a lot, yes Dec 03 02:22:45 they fill the balloon so it reaches an equilibirum at some altitude Dec 03 02:22:54 preferably before it bursts :) Dec 03 02:23:00 they use "science" Dec 03 02:58:16 is the PRU only setting 200mhz? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 03 02:59:59 2012