**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 06 02:59:59 2012 Dec 06 04:39:21 prpplague: going for the tattooed buzzcut? Dec 06 04:45:31 zz_ka6sox: at 9p? Dec 06 04:48:07 mranostay: maybe go for an ubuntu logo on there Dec 06 04:55:17 i'm sure your wife would leave you if went that insane Dec 06 04:55:51 prpplague: in dots? Dec 06 04:57:56 i forget what they call that.. Dec 06 04:58:39 * Russ momentarily considers a google image search for ubuntu tattoo, then thinks better Dec 06 04:59:21 Russ: i love the RHAT jobs page Dec 06 05:00:01 I've heard the red hat is a gift all new employees get Dec 06 05:00:06 it is... Dec 06 05:00:07 is the tattoo on that list too? Dec 06 05:00:20 who knows and i hope that isn't a real tatoo Dec 06 05:00:21 ok, everyone line up for "company pride" Dec 06 05:00:48 i mean i have tats but i'm sane enough not to get girlfriends or corporate logos :) Dec 06 05:01:37 wonder if anyone out there is unfortunate enough to have a SCO tattoo Dec 06 05:02:26 i always though Santa Cruz Operation seemed like a black ops project Dec 06 05:05:13 Russ: how about that Zune tattoo :) Dec 06 05:07:07 cry Dec 06 05:07:56 serious street cred to anyone with this tattoo Dec 06 05:07:57 i think i knew one person that had one Dec 06 05:07:58 http://edibleapple.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/original_apple_logo.gif Dec 06 05:08:09 at least if they got it in `76 Dec 06 05:08:51 would be faded to hell by now Dec 06 05:09:00 or flappy skin Dec 06 05:13:22 emeb: which fpga did you use for your cape? Dec 06 05:13:32 what horrible connection do you have? Dec 06 05:13:54 mranostay: it's a Spartan 3A Dec 06 05:14:08 and yes - I'm in a guest house with a weak wifi. Dec 06 05:19:46 so what is in Edinburgh to do? Dec 06 05:20:00 beside get wasted at pubs with trolls Dec 06 05:24:08 who's in Edinburgh? Dec 06 05:24:58 Climb the Scott Memorial, go on a ghost tour, drink whiskey, etc. Dec 06 05:27:51 time for zzzz Dec 06 06:03:04 good morning trolls Dec 06 06:19:08 KotH: #trolltheworld Dec 06 06:27:26 mranostay: nobody there Dec 06 09:36:19 sorry, but I have to lol: ....Haptic ERM/LRA Driver with Ultra-Fast Turn-On.... Dec 06 09:36:31 that get's me turned on in no time Dec 06 09:37:02 LOL Dec 06 09:37:17 is that for teledildonics applications? Dec 06 09:38:35 seems so, see g+ Dec 06 10:04:51 Hi all,i am developing beaglebone for development purpose i need to matrix-gui application,if anybody have idea please tell the path and method of using i am new this platfrom. Dec 06 10:05:17 Hi all,i am developing beaglebone for development purpose i need to add matrix-gui application,if anybody have idea please tell the path and method of using i am new this platfrom. Dec 06 10:07:40 hi, we are not your for free design service Dec 06 10:07:41 hi, we are not your for free design service Dec 06 10:16:58 Hi Guest84008 what is matrix-gui? Dec 06 10:17:44 probably a gui app where cryptic green letters tricklie from top to bottom on a black background Dec 06 10:18:00 is that http://beagleboard.org/static/presentations/boston2011/beagleboard101/#(8) ? Dec 06 10:21:03 btw: stupid question: now that ti has killed the omap, what is going to happen to the beagles and pandas? Dec 06 10:21:38 KotH : do any of the recent boards even use omaps? Dec 06 10:23:35 hi, good morning Dec 06 10:24:04 the pandaboard es uses an omap4460, the beagle is afaik still a 3530, only the bone uses an am3350 Dec 06 10:24:20 <_sundar_> beagles and pandas could have different hearts from other vendors Dec 06 10:24:59 that's obvious Dec 06 10:25:04 but it also means a major redesign Dec 06 10:25:08 Guest84008: for matrix GUI, you need to talk to your TI support rep Dec 06 10:25:26 the BB uses a DM3730 Dec 06 10:25:35 I dont think its discontinued Dec 06 10:25:38 <_sundar_> yep or both of them will get into the endangered species list Dec 06 10:25:57 av500: then the webpage is wrong :) Dec 06 10:26:19 omap3 and derivatives is a catalog part Dec 06 10:26:26 <_sundar_> BBxM, yes it uses DM3730. Dec 06 10:26:28 customers have signed up for long time there Dec 06 10:26:32 ok. that'll mean 10y and more Dec 06 10:26:34 so it wont go away Dec 06 10:26:38 so soon Dec 06 10:27:58 How to reduce boot up time for andorid on Beagleboard Dec 06 10:28:25 Guest22500: by making the boot faster Dec 06 10:28:38 <_sundar_> kick it from behind hard enough Dec 06 10:28:59 Guest22500: if you do want to have answers that help you, you have to ask specific questions Dec 06 10:29:30 Guest22500: people dont like these "i have no fucking clue what i'm doing, thus i just ask general questions, maybe someone will tell me what i should do" type of questions Dec 06 10:29:40 Koth : I have ported android on beable board Dec 06 10:29:55 but it takes arrount 90 seconds to boot Dec 06 10:30:07 I want to reduce down to 30 sec Dec 06 10:30:28 Guest22500: i have a "proted" buildroot onto an i.mx23 based, 4x4cm large board and it boots in <10s Dec 06 10:30:40 Guest22500: no do the same as i did and it will be faster Dec 06 10:31:07 hello Dec 06 10:31:15 <_sundar_> Guest22500, maybe your SD card isn't fast enough? Dec 06 10:31:19 great work Dec 06 10:31:27 panto: world! Dec 06 10:31:30 Guest22500: Profile the boot, look at what takes the longest and then work at the problem areas Dec 06 10:32:31 Guest22500: there are many thing to "fix" one of them can be to disable development settings so the applications are not dex optimized at every boot. this is not the forum for this type of questions :P Dec 06 10:32:55 What are the changes required? can you provide any guideline Dec 06 10:33:09 no Dec 06 10:33:21 it is you who has to do the research Dec 06 10:33:33 if you enter "linux boot time" into google you will get results Dec 06 10:33:40 you are not the first to ask that Dec 06 10:33:41 ok Dec 06 10:33:58 good luck! Dec 06 10:34:12 ok but this is my first project Dec 06 10:34:22 * KotH sighs Dec 06 10:34:22 *start here* http://elinux.org/Android_Portal Dec 06 10:34:24 <_sundar_> lol Dec 06 10:34:31 Guest22500: everyone started somewhen Dec 06 10:34:36 Guest22500: there is tons of information on the web Dec 06 10:34:41 Guest22500: just google for it Dec 06 10:34:42 <_sundar_> i thought he went politely to look into google Dec 06 10:35:53 _sundar_: show some sympathy! Dec 06 10:36:06 _sundar_: he's from teh same country as you are Dec 06 10:36:26 <_sundar_> KotH, doesn't count as good reason Dec 06 10:38:26 Guest22500: being your first project is not a reason Dec 06 10:38:39 from what you write you did zero research yourself Dec 06 10:38:55 and there is no magic "boot 60s faster" switch Dec 06 10:39:50 <_sundar_> av500, you scared him away... Dec 06 10:40:07 av500, you're so abrasive Dec 06 10:40:21 perhaps you should tell him the truth Dec 06 10:40:36 which is? Dec 06 10:40:46 i.e. that there's a simple android.boot.fast property Dec 06 10:41:02 put it in your default.prop and it will work Dec 06 10:43:43 well doing predexing on the host is an ohter way Dec 06 10:44:33 keesj: dex is only once Dec 06 10:44:39 for first boot Dec 06 10:44:44 not subsequent ones Dec 06 10:45:05 av500, stop trying to inject reality in this conversation Dec 06 10:45:16 I had a bad week and need to troll for relief Dec 06 10:45:17 sorry Dec 06 10:45:25 unless you are in developement mode (the default) Dec 06 10:45:29 panto: totally not in this channel!!! Dec 06 10:45:44 I am a user of medical trolling Dec 06 10:45:54 legalize it! Dec 06 10:46:00 panto: i could give you some medical devices Dec 06 10:46:03 would that help? Dec 06 10:46:17 will they help my trolling game? Dec 06 10:46:26 sure Dec 06 10:46:27 here's your medical device Dec 06 10:46:28 http://hackaday.com/2012/12/04/simplifying-fabrication-of-soft-robots/ Dec 06 10:46:47 hey Russ Dec 06 10:47:43 hey panto Dec 06 10:49:16 there is a yocto joke in there somewhere.... Dec 06 10:49:19 koen: ^^^ Dec 06 10:49:36 yoctopus? Dec 06 10:51:00 yep Dec 06 10:51:17 KotH: a yoctogerian one Dec 06 10:57:11 yoctoberfest! Dec 06 11:05:02 I had connection problem Dec 06 11:05:21 I am looking for android boot up time redction Dec 06 11:05:37 can you point out some useful information Dec 06 11:07:00 koen: heyo Dec 06 11:07:17 koen: do you know what causese these strange "screen quits when i log out" problems? Dec 06 11:07:19 koen: it would really interest me, from the technical pov Dec 06 11:07:59 Guest4755: http://elinux.org/Using_Bootchart_on_Android Dec 06 11:09:09 11:38 < av500> Guest22500: being your first project is not a reason Dec 06 11:09:09 11:38 < av500> from what you write you did zero research yourself Dec 06 11:09:09 11:38 < av500> and there is no magic "boot 60s faster" switch Dec 06 11:11:21 KotH: screen as in the screen sw? Dec 06 11:11:30 wasnt that fixed? Dec 06 11:12:44 av500: there is still asking someone for that every now and then Dec 06 11:12:51 av500: like yesterday or the day before or so Dec 06 11:13:07 but even if it's fixed, i still like to know what caused it Dec 06 11:13:13 KotH: side effect of broken systemd config, it kills everything in your session after you logout Dec 06 11:13:22 oh.. Dec 06 11:13:24 lol Dec 06 11:13:25 KotH: I haven't sat down to fix the config to leave screen and tmux alone Dec 06 11:13:28 lenartware Dec 06 11:13:40 koen: thanks for the explenation Dec 06 11:13:58 koen, cgroups related? Dec 06 11:17:20 i am guest22500 only, i had connection problem so i need to reconnect. Dec 06 11:18:02 yes we know Dec 06 11:18:16 use the /nick command and give yourself a name Dec 06 11:18:34 av500: you should eat more sprüngli chocolate cakes Dec 06 11:18:42 sure Dec 06 11:18:42 I will take care of it Dec 06 11:18:52 av500: it's good for your mental and physical health :) Dec 06 11:19:32 no more twinkies though. Dec 06 11:20:06 too bad Dec 06 11:20:16 ka6sox: who'd even look at twinkies, when he can have sprüngli cakes? Dec 06 11:20:20 deep fired twinkies were so good Dec 06 11:20:54 "deep fired" Dec 06 11:21:01 deep fried sprüngli cake? Dec 06 11:21:11 abomination! Dec 06 11:21:13 panto: cgroups and pam Dec 06 11:21:19 waste of precious chocolate! Dec 06 11:21:21 (and gold) Dec 06 11:21:28 not surprised there Dec 06 11:23:13 pam is the bastard spawn from hell... Dec 06 11:23:55 other than it boots fast...I'm not feeling the love for systemd either. Dec 06 11:24:09 ka6sox: PAM is worse than you think Dec 06 11:24:15 ka6sox: you can use it *partially* Dec 06 11:24:20 ka6sox: like dropbear does Dec 06 11:24:35 yes, I was thinking of that example too... Dec 06 11:24:39 ka6sox: dropbear only does pam_unix, nothing else Dec 06 11:24:48 the distro I'm working on they insist on using dropbear...sucks. Dec 06 11:25:02 I just replace it...and move on. Dec 06 11:33:52 maybe it's because there's remote 0day for openssh in the wild :) Dec 06 11:44:42 hi Dec 06 11:56:04 koen, you are right...its MUCH worse :( Dec 06 12:32:59 lunch time Dec 06 12:34:54 ka6sox-away: I run dropbear on one board Dec 06 12:35:16 it's weird Dec 06 12:35:23 had to patch it too Dec 06 12:52:46 Has anyone some experience for accessing the UART pin's on beagleboard Xm? Help is appreciated Dec 06 12:53:04 echo access > /dev/ttyS0 ? Dec 06 12:53:57 In C programming language Dec 06 12:54:17 do you understand that your question has nothing to do with beagleboard? Dec 06 12:54:40 beyond /dev/ttyOx being the device to use Dec 06 12:54:46 oh yes that's right Dec 06 12:55:07 Bart___ : search for Linux C tty Dec 06 12:55:09 why are serial ports named differently depending on the driver anyway? Dec 06 12:55:28 mru : and network interfaces? Dec 06 12:55:37 it's so sexy! Dec 06 12:55:43 network interfaces are mostly called ethX Dec 06 12:55:48 sometimes usbX Dec 06 12:55:50 ath0 Dec 06 12:55:51 mru : not wireless ones, and not USB ones Dec 06 12:55:52 wlan0 Dec 06 12:55:55 ra0 Dec 06 12:55:56 ... Dec 06 12:56:11 raX only with idiotic realtek NIH drivers Dec 06 12:56:14 (although I rename my wireless ones to eth) Dec 06 12:56:25 athX with idiotic Atheros Dec 06 12:56:38 ttyOx idiotic Omap :) Dec 06 12:56:43 usb devices are named eth or usb depending on something Dec 06 12:56:52 ..the driver Dec 06 12:56:56 no Dec 06 12:57:10 dat Linux is screwed. Dec 06 12:57:56 iirc the vendor part of the mac address influences the naming Dec 06 12:58:24 makes perfect sense Dec 06 12:58:48 with usbX used for devices considered in some way volatile Dec 06 12:58:53 and ethX for the more permanent ones Dec 06 12:58:56 or something like that Dec 06 12:59:17 my ericsson 3g card is usbx Dec 06 12:59:27 that's pretty permanent Dec 06 12:59:37 ..unless I open the machine and take it out of course Dec 06 12:59:53 where it physically resides doesn't matter Dec 06 13:02:01 see usbnet_probe() Dec 06 13:03:51 heuristic: "usb%d" for links we know are two-host, else "eth%d" when there's reasonable doubt Dec 06 13:04:37 but compare to disks Dec 06 13:04:44 scsi disks are always sda, sdb etc Dec 06 13:06:54 the model of the controller does not matter Dec 06 13:07:56 you can alawys use udev to create devices names you like based on the hw information Dec 06 13:08:10 sure Dec 06 13:08:21 problem solved Dec 06 13:08:28 not really Dec 06 13:08:41 now you've added udev to your problems Dec 06 13:08:54 udev is only a problem for you Dec 06 13:08:57 not me Dec 06 13:09:49 it sovled my problem about random usb dev enumeraton for the four umts-modems in some hw Dec 06 13:10:35 udev was fine while greg maintained it Dec 06 13:13:11 you're just jealous of poetterware Dec 06 13:13:30 I'm not jealous Dec 06 13:13:33 I'm worried Dec 06 13:20:12 he's German, that's the problem Dec 06 13:20:26 aha! Dec 06 13:20:35 I have nothing against germans in general Dec 06 13:20:40 hey ! Dec 06 13:23:29 well, once we fix "internet of things", we would even know who that umts dongle soldered, so woglinde could have /dev/umts_soldered_by_jiao_ding Dec 06 13:33:18 ynezz what? Dec 06 13:38:24 bah, devicetree is melting my brain Dec 06 13:42:29 another thing dt helps with Dec 06 13:45:01 :) Dec 06 13:46:59 * av500 wonders if agile would help here Dec 06 13:48:24 * mdp wonders if this makes DT a catalyst in this endothermic reaction Dec 06 13:50:20 mdp: there is a new allwinner Dec 06 13:50:32 its the A13 but with something added Dec 06 13:50:59 http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/12/05/allwinner-a10s-processor-overview/ Dec 06 13:51:08 ah, hdmi and emac Dec 06 13:51:42 oooh, A31: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/12/06/240-onda-v972-allwinner-a31-quad-core-android-tablet-with-9-7-retina-display/ Dec 06 13:52:01 I'm confused..I thought A10 had emac and hdmi Dec 06 13:52:09 mdp: A10 has Dec 06 13:52:15 A13 is cost down in DIP and does not Dec 06 13:52:19 A10s adds that Dec 06 13:52:20 right Dec 06 13:52:27 A10s versus A10 is? Dec 06 13:52:28 DIP for KotH to solder Dec 06 13:52:30 I heard a rumour the apple A10 will have imac Dec 06 13:52:36 mdp: cost down I gues Dec 06 13:52:39 guess Dec 06 13:52:47 mdp: package Dec 06 13:52:51 A10 BGA Dec 06 13:52:55 how can the cost go down?!??? ;) Dec 06 13:52:55 10s like A13 in tqfp Dec 06 13:53:09 do they have a cleveland office? ;) Dec 06 13:53:11 hehe Dec 06 13:53:29 I see Dec 06 13:53:31 ah no Dec 06 13:53:33 10s is bga Dec 06 13:53:42 https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO/blob/master/HARDWARE/A10S-PDFs/A10s%20datasheet%20V1.20_.pdf Dec 06 13:53:49 no idea then Dec 06 13:53:59 its like intel partnumbers Dec 06 13:53:59 bga, bah! I wan't vga Dec 06 13:54:09 not EGA? Dec 06 13:54:31 or cga for that matter Dec 06 13:54:42 av500, have you looked at the VPU stuff by chance? Dec 06 13:55:04 I'm curious if it can do simultaneous decode/encode and at what profiles Dec 06 13:55:20 no idea Dec 06 13:55:22 not yet Dec 06 13:55:24 the feature lists never speak to reality Dec 06 13:55:45 no sata Dec 06 13:56:08 'can simultaneous 4K 120fps encode/decode"* Dec 06 13:56:21 (*) of a pitch black scene in the dark Dec 06 13:56:33 actually RX30 can do some 4k Dec 06 13:56:35 RK30 Dec 06 13:57:26 IIRC Dec 06 13:57:37 too many data sheets, not enough time Dec 06 13:57:47 panto, it seems the Ne/Ce are still the champions of armv7 and SATA Dec 06 13:57:59 yay Dec 06 13:58:09 too bad they're at $2.5K :) Dec 06 13:58:21 they are free to me ;) Dec 06 13:58:30 nobody ever wants those EVMs back Dec 06 13:58:33 err, overkill much :) Dec 06 13:58:45 ne/ce? Dec 06 13:58:50 netra Dec 06 13:58:52 centaurus Dec 06 13:58:54 netra/centaurus Dec 06 13:59:10 mdp: Ce was the mythical "next years dream chip" for us for a few years Dec 06 13:59:16 ah. Dec 06 13:59:23 every year TI told us abour Ce comming soon Dec 06 13:59:33 av500, it was the mythical next years dream chip inside TI too, btw Dec 06 13:59:43 mdp: we were close to the source :) Dec 06 13:59:45 it's like our year of the desktop Dec 06 14:01:18 "It’s basically A13 + HDMI and Ethernet (later is not 100% confirmed to work as the Allwinner aim is to capture the IPTV market with it so they said never tested if Ethernet will work but confirmed the Ethernet is there" Dec 06 14:01:54 if it's not tested, it doesn't work Dec 06 14:02:01 mru, lies! Dec 06 14:02:28 that reminds me Dec 06 14:02:28 hrm, quad core A4x cortex-a7 processor Dec 06 14:02:33 mdp: I have statistics to prove it Dec 06 14:02:36 a few years back a korean fabless Dec 06 14:02:43 they offered us an SoC Dec 06 14:02:48 we aksed if it was on time Dec 06 14:03:01 they said: "yes, its back from the fab, the engineer is testing it" Dec 06 14:03:02 mdp: a7 is nice and cheap, "QUAD-CORE!!!" on the box boosts sales Dec 06 14:03:16 mru, sure, we like a7 too Dec 06 14:03:33 mdp: but isnt arm9 faster than arm7? Dec 06 14:03:48 av500, marketecture Dec 06 14:03:58 a7 is nice as a little brother to the a15 Dec 06 14:04:05 on it's own... Dec 06 14:04:08 the litter brother! Dec 06 14:04:28 then there's a5 Dec 06 14:04:40 * mdp noticed the FSL a5 part the other day Dec 06 14:05:24 a5 should be seen as a modernised 926 Dec 06 14:05:27 I think ARM mus do like AMD and introduce an Intel relative speed rating Dec 06 14:05:34 mru, ;) Dec 06 14:05:54 mru: if your company way any clever there would be an ARM911 Dec 06 14:06:09 mru, it's nice from a vendor pov and many povs as to get rid of anything !armv7 from the lineup Dec 06 14:06:15 not an arm4711? Dec 06 14:06:19 that too Dec 06 14:06:19 arm-twin-tower ? Dec 06 14:06:21 av500: sorry, I wasn't on the naming committe Dec 06 14:06:36 ogra_: yes, osama ruined that naming :( Dec 06 14:06:40 mdp: yes, exactly Dec 06 14:06:42 our arm926 is somewhat of a thorn as it works well and is popular at that pricepoint Dec 06 14:07:01 we look forward to deprecating it ;) Dec 06 14:07:11 hmm, there's a 926 porsche too Dec 06 14:07:47 so they've moved from porsche to audi Dec 06 14:09:13 hmm, no 926 in wikipedia Dec 06 14:09:57 ok typo Dec 06 14:11:00 there was a 959 iirc Dec 06 14:11:46 panto, maybe we can organize a giveaway of Ne boards for those that want a free nas platform Dec 06 14:12:07 * panto raises hand Dec 06 14:12:33 as long as I don't pay for it :) Dec 06 14:12:35 * mru will accept hardware Dec 06 14:13:22 I'll poke around...I'm only half-joking about getting it supported in mainline Dec 06 14:14:01 I know Tartarus tentatively agreed to help with handling the u-boot bits Dec 06 14:14:16 it is the ugly cousin of am335x after all Dec 06 14:14:22 * Tartarus looks in Dec 06 14:15:03 ugh, and make sure you don't put down the right price when shipping it Dec 06 14:15:08 Having spent a lot of time in a U-Boot tree that knows Ne/Ce/AM335x, yes Dec 06 14:15:14 custom duties are at 20% min Dec 06 14:15:24 It's not that impossible to bring a bare bones Ne into mainline U-Boot Dec 06 14:16:02 panto, I would put down the current market value of $.49 Dec 06 14:16:07 panto: I always get TI stuff bounced through one of their .eu offices Dec 06 14:16:39 yeah, I guess that would be best Dec 06 14:17:10 Tartarus, yeah, like I was saying, initially, to make it useful we don't care about much more than mmc and maybe cpsw loading there Dec 06 14:17:10 * panto notes that no-one should have to bear getting stuff through .gr customs Dec 06 14:17:23 I just need mmc, cpsw, and sata in kernel-land Dec 06 14:17:28 I once got a beagle-xm shipped from circuitco with a declared value of $10 Dec 06 14:17:56 the Ne A8 has a 1.5ghz OPP Dec 06 15:24:31 hi Dec 06 15:24:43 i hav a question abt CAN setup Dec 06 15:24:53 can i ask ?? Dec 06 15:27:32 no, you failed to read the topic Dec 06 15:29:58 @mdp could you plzz tel me which topic i need to read ??? Dec 06 15:30:44 try /topic in your IRC client Dec 06 15:31:17 you did it correctly the second time, thanks Dec 06 15:32:41 i have a beglebone CAN cape with me , but i dont no how to establish communacation , iam new to begle bone plzz help me Dec 06 15:41:53 sandz if it is the towertech can cape try emailing mailto:support@towertech.it Dec 06 15:42:54 I assume most people here have or tried a can cape Dec 06 15:43:46 have or have not? Dec 06 15:43:53 * mru has not Dec 06 15:44:56 * dm8tbr neither Dec 06 15:45:15 * mdp has not Dec 06 15:45:47 I have a craneboard with CAN that I managed to mostly ignore Dec 06 15:45:47 hi kkeller, are you happily CNCing? Dec 06 15:48:16 * KotH solders av500 onto a breadboard Dec 06 15:48:27 gingerbreadboard? Dec 06 15:50:05 no, icecramsandwichbreadboard Dec 06 15:50:11 mmmm Dec 06 15:50:49 * mdp builds an icecreamsandwich house Dec 06 15:51:22 mdp: it's _witches_ that build edible houses, not trolls Dec 06 15:51:53 can we have an edible bridge at least? Dec 06 15:54:34 @kkeller mz boards is from beglebonetoys, you can refer this link this is the board iam using http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_CANBus Dec 06 15:54:52 this could be av500's girl: http://taintedink.com/056-the-master/ Dec 06 15:55:44 hello mdp - yes very happy playing with CNC machining of PCBs. Dec 06 15:55:45 W Dec 06 15:55:46 T Dec 06 15:55:48 F Dec 06 15:55:49 ? Dec 06 15:56:19 av500: perfect match, isnt it? :) Dec 06 15:57:06 http://taintedink.com/068-blue-screen-of-death/ Dec 06 15:58:24 plzz giv me a brief explanation abt canecape.........how to send and recieve data (iam trying to read data from radar CAN bus) Dec 06 15:59:03 sandz email support@beagleboardtoys.com Dec 06 16:00:07 hmm, a canecape Dec 06 16:00:26 av500, for industry oldsters Dec 06 16:00:59 or misbehaving youngsters... Dec 06 16:01:29 spare the cane spoil the cape Dec 06 16:25:16 av500: you called? Dec 06 16:25:29 old man :P Dec 06 16:36:41 does anyone know of any dma/spi issues with 3.7-rc8 from https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.7 Dec 06 16:44:34 jackmitchell: spi should work with dma, the st7735fb on my desk works Dec 06 16:45:55 jackmitchell: can you elaborate on your use case? Dec 06 16:46:29 mdp: custom kernel module, read 16 bit registers from an FPGA Dec 06 16:46:37 mdp: write 16, read 16 Dec 06 16:46:59 mdp: probed the spi and it looks ok, however the values read are wrong Dec 06 16:47:40 you are doing spi_write/read_buf() with a size of 2? Dec 06 16:47:50 possibly i'll check Dec 06 16:48:50 I do an spi sync Dec 06 16:48:52 the mcspi driver will only engage dma if your xfer request is >=160 bytes Dec 06 16:49:12 hmm, ok well I don't think it's using DMA then Dec 06 16:49:24 the read function is here: http://pastebin.com/FbKY9B49 Dec 06 16:49:55 so you have no idea how happy you make me just confirming it's not a DMA problem ;) Dec 06 16:50:15 mdp: :P Dec 06 16:50:28 so it still uses PIO < 160? Dec 06 16:50:48 correct, that's a magic value to account for the overhead of setting up a DMA xfer Dec 06 16:51:22 mdp: ok, back to some head scratching then Dec 06 16:51:26 it's slower to set up a dma xfer for things like a 1 byte transfer Dec 06 16:51:37 ok that makes sense Dec 06 16:51:39 a lot of drivers try to be smart about this Dec 06 16:52:08 it's an unfortunate FAQ though Dec 06 16:52:51 even fairly small transfers can be fast if you can keep a channel reserved with most of the parameters already programmed Dec 06 16:52:54 mdp: so I suppose my next question is, has someone had small spi transfer sucessfully working? Dec 06 16:53:04 yes Dec 06 16:53:13 if it's a recurring transfer, a single write is all you need to kick it off Dec 06 16:53:28 in fact, the same st7735fb driver koen referenced does a lot of single byte writes to set things up Dec 06 16:53:46 before it starts doing 40KiB transfers many times a second to refresh the display Dec 06 16:54:15 and koen, it is working right now on 3.7? Dec 06 16:54:48 ok, i'll take a little peek at that driver, I had a look earlier but only briefly Dec 06 17:05:12 mdp: it is Dec 06 17:06:27 jackmitchell: ok, so, I think you might need to look closely at your spi<->fpga interface in case there's a problem there. Dec 06 17:06:54 jackmitchell: there's always the chance you uncovered a latent bug in the driver/silicon Dec 06 17:12:33 mdp: ok, it needs a clean-up so I'll do a bit of a re-write tomorrow, possibly try for auto-load through DT and see if I can pinpoint the cause, thanks for the help! Dec 06 18:14:49 mru: nice git issue Dec 06 18:14:55 what are the odds? Dec 06 18:15:17 I was just about to calculate that Dec 06 18:15:48 so 36**7 ? Dec 06 18:15:58 36? Dec 06 18:16:03 those are hex digits Dec 06 18:16:14 so it's 2**28 possible values Dec 06 18:16:21 gah d'oh Dec 06 18:16:37 still asleep Dec 06 18:17:24 mru: the abbrev is 56-bits Dec 06 18:17:34 one digit is 4 bits Dec 06 18:17:47 4*7 = 28 Dec 06 18:18:11 * mranostay faceplams again Dec 06 18:18:21 *palms even Dec 06 18:18:41 * mru sprays mranostay with hot coffee Dec 06 18:19:02 thanks mru i needed that Dec 06 18:19:32 lol... Dec 06 18:19:38 mru: so one in 268 million. nice odds Dec 06 18:19:47 go buy a lotto ticket Dec 06 18:19:47 you're holding it wrong Dec 06 18:20:01 it's actually ~1 in 20k Dec 06 18:20:08 birthday paradox Dec 06 18:20:34 * mranostay googles Dec 06 18:20:37 * dm8tbr hands mranostay an caffeine IV drip Dec 06 18:21:24 that burns the veins Dec 06 18:24:01 mru: i assume that depends on the git rebase -i HEAD~X you have greatly Dec 06 18:24:11 yes, of course Dec 06 18:24:34 how big of rebase was this? Dec 06 18:24:54 _big_ Dec 06 18:25:09 ~280k Dec 06 18:25:26 you are doing that interactively? Dec 06 18:25:42 not exactly Dec 06 18:26:03 i'd hope not :) Dec 06 18:53:44 mru: git issues? Dec 06 18:54:36 KotH: things break if an interactive rebase creates commits whose short hashes conflict with later commits in the rebase sequence Dec 06 18:56:30 * Russ sees the UPS truck, happy N4 day to me Dec 06 18:57:39 Russ: why not C4? :) Dec 06 18:57:41 mru: lol Dec 06 18:57:47 mru: seems to be your lucky day :) Dec 06 18:57:58 not at all Dec 06 18:58:53 somehow I have to believe bradfa's intern was involved with this git issue Dec 06 19:00:17 the tgz with the .git in it? Dec 06 19:04:17 KotH: JIHAD!? Dec 06 19:04:42 hmm, is that a banned word on #rpi? Dec 06 19:08:50 seems not Dec 06 19:09:40 mranostay: no JIHAD today. JIHAD tomorrow.. there is always a JIHAD tomorrow! Dec 06 19:10:17 I saw a sign in a pub somewhere that said "free beer tomorrow" Dec 06 19:10:45 mru, one of my favorites Dec 06 19:11:11 or free beer yesterday would be more safe Dec 06 19:11:24 how so? Dec 06 19:11:37 it's very safe as is Dec 06 19:11:38 it's not a countdown Dec 06 19:11:57 it's as safe as "RSN" Dec 06 19:12:13 one of the places I've seen that one was at DFW international terminal Dec 06 19:13:00 Hello Dec 06 19:13:11 world Dec 06 19:14:02 I have a question if there is a way to utilize DSI ports to enable a cheap LCD monitor Dec 06 19:14:16 for the Beaglebone.. Dec 06 19:15:27 what's dsi? Dec 06 19:15:37 a display interface Dec 06 19:16:15 never heard it mentioned in the same sentence as cheap before Dec 06 19:17:10 and the bone doesn't have a dsi port Dec 06 19:17:23 oh.. it's the mipi's interface standard... Dec 06 19:17:30 yes Dec 06 19:17:35 Well cheap as in we have a photo frame that is digital and I was curious if I could use its display Dec 06 19:17:55 you're sure it uses dsi? Dec 06 19:18:01 its from our wedding 4 years ago Dec 06 19:18:12 lol she wont miss it right... Dec 06 19:18:25 * mru does not give marriage advice Dec 06 19:18:30 http://www.panelook.com/AT080TN03%20V.7_Chimei%20Innolux_8.0_LCM_overview_1557.html Dec 06 19:18:31 hehe Dec 06 19:18:38 this is the link for the TFT Dec 06 19:18:46 unless the request is for how to avoid it Dec 06 19:19:20 Signal Interface : Parallel RGB (1 ch, 6-bit) Dec 06 19:19:22 so it has 2 DSI ribbons from the monitor Dec 06 19:19:26 that's hardly dsi Dec 06 19:19:45 I must be mistaken then Dec 06 19:19:54 I assumed Dec 06 19:20:04 based on the pin setup Dec 06 19:20:17 NickTompkins: there are literally hundreds of different lcd interface methods used Dec 06 19:20:18 if it were dsi, it would say so Dec 06 19:20:24 not "parallel rgb" Dec 06 19:20:26 assuming something is the first step in getting fried electronics Dec 06 19:20:31 NickTompkins: i really doubt it is DSI Dec 06 19:21:18 NickTompkins: assuming you have you lcd datasheet info correct, that one can be easily interface with the beagle or panda Dec 06 19:21:59 cool and yes I will make many fried electronics in my life time Dec 06 19:22:02 damn you TI! Dec 06 19:22:12 why couldnt you get me that information 3 weeks ago! Dec 06 19:22:17 ^^' Dec 06 19:22:23 thus is the way of the nick Dec 06 19:23:43 NickTompkins: ok found the datasheet, that unit would require some work to get working with beagle/panda Dec 06 19:24:58 what's the problem? Dec 06 19:25:31 Why is that? would it be wiser to interface with another component instead of a direct solution? Dec 06 19:26:08 mru: it's not DPI style RGB888, it needs a controller for gamma and timing Dec 06 19:26:49 mru: low cost style for dedicated products Dec 06 19:27:13 mru: typical for small cheap electronics such as photo frames Dec 06 19:27:19 NickTompkins: why dont you just buy a cheap tft module that has an interface that you can easily use? Dec 06 19:27:41 Oh I will be Dec 06 19:27:58 i know that vga tft's are around 100eur single piece these days Dec 06 19:28:03 I just wanted too know if this path had large bears at then end of it Dec 06 19:28:23 bear with me Dec 06 19:28:33 i wouldnt worry about the bears at the end of the path, but rather about the trolls that walk with you Dec 06 19:29:09 So thank you everyone before I tore up something that I'm sure would have sour my wife in the first place if I didnt get working :-P Dec 06 19:29:28 100 eur? way over priced Dec 06 19:29:32 KotH: that is poetic even Dec 06 19:29:52 NickTompkins: yea i would not waste my time with that display Dec 06 19:30:17 I will be putting it back in its case when I get home :-) Dec 06 19:30:44 prpplague: i'm sure you can get them cheaper... usually engineering dominates at single pieces, so i dont mind charging the customer a couple of bucks more for the display :) Dec 06 19:31:03 KotH: hehe, its called ebay Dec 06 19:31:17 professionals dont buy from ebay ;) Dec 06 19:32:31 KotH: i disagree with that Dec 06 19:32:35 prpplague: on the other hand, i bought 20 8663 OCXOs from a chinese seller ;) Dec 06 19:44:26 hallo... can some one talk to me i have some project Dec 06 19:54:25 hows the weather Dec 06 19:54:36 hey kaito_! Dec 06 19:54:40 i have a project as well Dec 06 19:54:43 maybe we should talk! Dec 06 19:54:46 haiii koth Dec 06 19:55:24 do you now how to optimize active analog filters for optimal linear phase without using besel filters? Dec 06 19:57:06 i'am sory friend.. i'am i can helping u... coz i still beginner in beagle.. Dec 06 19:57:56 ok.. maybe you know how to navigate in a random network with only local routing information, that does not have a kleinberg structure? Dec 06 19:58:23 * mranostay mumbles can he retire yet? Dec 06 19:58:45 kaito_: please describe your hardware and problem and steps taken to get to this point Dec 06 19:58:45 mranostay: only if you can answer my questions ;) Dec 06 19:59:00 djlewis: bah! dont interfere with my trolling! Dec 06 19:59:12 * KotH has to practice Dec 06 19:59:12 had to, I was laughing my ass off... Dec 06 19:59:30 had to catch my breath Dec 06 19:59:40 mission acomplished :) Dec 06 20:01:03 ol, my jaws hurt... Dec 06 20:01:31 i have some project to make remote control with touchscreen panel and android for OS. its same like smart home control.. Dec 06 20:02:10 my HW its like a tablet... Dec 06 20:03:35 and for now i try to build/design my own board with this beagle board for based Dec 06 20:05:00 and my ask is... do u are thinks its fosible for build some board from schematic beagle... Dec 06 20:05:26 and my ask is... do u are thinks its fosible for me to build some board from schematic beagle... Dec 06 20:05:27 how many do you want to build? Dec 06 20:06:24 just one board.. Dec 06 20:06:31 then dont Dec 06 20:06:44 why? Dec 06 20:06:49 it will be way too expensive and way too much trouble to get it working Dec 06 20:07:19 isnt beagle a 5 layer board? Dec 06 20:07:37 NRE costs for an beagle bone like board is somewhere around 2000EUR Dec 06 20:07:38 if we dont wory about expensive or not... Dec 06 20:07:43 not accounting for the engineering done Dec 06 20:08:18 if you dont worry about money, it will be only your time Dec 06 20:08:52 i dont wory about 5 layer or 20 layer... the problem its i still can find some refrensi board that posible to build my project Dec 06 20:08:54 if you have no previous experience in building uC boards, much less uP boards of beagle class, it will be a steap road Dec 06 20:09:37 i dont wory about 5 layer or 20 layer... the problem its i still can find some refrensi board/schematic based that posible to build my project Dec 06 20:09:37 looks like only a proposal rather than a actual build Dec 06 20:11:25 kaito_: have you ever done a pcb design? Dec 06 20:11:40 5 layer...wtf Dec 06 20:11:51 sory kotH coz my english it not good... what u mean with "steap road" Dec 06 20:11:56 steep Dec 06 20:12:34 kaito_: it will be a lot of learning Dec 06 20:12:52 kaito_: and difficult Dec 06 20:13:14 for now i almost finish my SBC with mini210 arm cpu Dec 06 20:15:00 yes its difficul... and that make me must make good planing to choose some right schmatic for based... Dec 06 20:15:35 do u are have try mini210s... ???? Dec 06 20:16:00 same board like this web http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini210S-S5PV210-ARM-Cortex-A8-Board-4-3-LCD-Resistive-touch-screen-/271028245548?refid=store Dec 06 20:17:41 kaito_: have you build a pcb like that from scratch? Dec 06 20:19:28 actual i just design the pcb and i order to taiwan compny that they can build that board.. and yes i do Dec 06 20:20:27 did it work? Dec 06 20:21:38 yes its work... cos its just simple board... but in my project now it very difficul Dec 06 20:21:55 well, then you dont have to worry about that Dec 06 20:21:57 than my last board Dec 06 20:22:04 more complex boards work the same Dec 06 20:22:22 you just have to read the datasheets, follow the appnotes and it'll be alright Dec 06 20:23:38 yes Dec 06 20:24:16 for now my wory is no many support for my project... Dec 06 20:25:24 the beagle products are designed for engineers to build from. Dec 06 20:25:50 kaito_: you have the schematics of the beagle Dec 06 20:25:56 kaito_: that's a very good starting place Dec 06 20:25:59 yes i have Dec 06 20:27:29 i'd first try to understand why the beagle was designed like this Dec 06 20:27:38 then apply your modifications to it Dec 06 20:27:53 never overstep the specs of any chip you are using Dec 06 20:28:11 and follow the standard rules about layouting Dec 06 20:28:11 but in schematic beaglebone its not like my project Dec 06 20:28:15 then you will have success Dec 06 20:28:32 still, understanding comes before modification Dec 06 20:28:50 creating from scratch, without guidance is very very very difficult Dec 06 20:29:01 let the beagle/beaglebone be your guidance Dec 06 20:29:11 yeah u right friend Dec 06 20:29:29 if you follow these simple rules, you will be able to answer my two questions from the beginning Dec 06 20:29:46 he's back . . . ;) Dec 06 20:30:21 djlewis: he? Dec 06 20:30:27 koen Dec 06 20:30:33 was that troll male? Dec 06 20:31:15 i think his gf (or was it fiance?) would say yes Dec 06 20:31:33 fiance Dec 06 20:31:39 finance? Dec 06 20:31:52 tightly coupled Dec 06 20:31:52 mru: probably quite the opposite Dec 06 20:31:54 finiancier Dec 06 20:32:11 financier Dec 06 20:32:18 fancier Dec 06 20:32:22 it's getting french Dec 06 20:32:29 no! Dec 06 20:32:52 keep the french out of this Dec 06 20:32:59 for our sake Dec 06 20:33:12 sake? i wouldnt mind a glass of sake now Dec 06 20:33:36 (ok, a cup) Dec 06 20:34:39 since when do you drink? Dec 06 20:35:05 i think i had my first sip when i was 10 or so Dec 06 20:35:10 maybe earlier Dec 06 20:36:34 so alcoholic for ten years Dec 06 20:37:11 KotH: i didn't see you drink at all at ELCE Dec 06 20:37:45 mranostay: very few people have me seen drinking ever... i'm a stealth drinker Dec 06 20:37:49 mranostay ramadan maybee Dec 06 20:38:04 woglinde: he drinks during ramadan? Dec 06 20:38:09 now there's a new idea Dec 06 20:38:24 mru -> < mranostay> KotH: i didn't see you drink at all at ELCE Dec 06 20:38:30 mru: i've had the reverse lent idea Dec 06 20:38:53 woglinde: ramadan has nothing to do with that Dec 06 20:39:12 mru yes yes Dec 06 20:39:22 drinik alcohol at all is forbidden Dec 06 20:39:31 smoking cigarettes too Dec 06 20:39:44 isn't that forbidden period? Dec 06 20:39:54 woglinde: and ramadan was already over at elce Dec 06 20:40:10 and no eating during day at ramadan Dec 06 20:40:23 are you allowed chocolate during it? Dec 06 20:40:27 actually no intake of anything but air Dec 06 20:40:33 insane idea Dec 06 20:40:54 it's said to be healthy Dec 06 20:41:00 here is an insane idea i eat and drink what i want when i want :) Dec 06 20:41:12 to releave your intestines from the stress of always eating Dec 06 20:41:14 KotH: not by anyone with real knowledge of medicine Dec 06 20:41:36 mru: yeah.. i didnt buy that when i first heard it either... at the age of 10 :) Dec 06 20:42:29 mru: btw: how much do you actually know about medicine? Dec 06 20:43:00 mru: i know your sister is a lama doctor, but did you have any other exposure to medicne? Dec 06 20:43:35 wtf is lama doctor? Dec 06 20:43:44 a doctor for lamas Dec 06 20:43:48 mranostay: she has a pet llama Dec 06 20:43:49 you know what a lama is? Dec 06 20:43:53 and she's not a doctor Dec 06 20:43:54 lamas live in peru Dec 06 20:44:09 mru: close enough ;) Dec 06 20:44:41 mru: btw: you should update your blog, you havent written anything for over a year Dec 06 20:44:55 blogs are overrated Dec 06 20:44:59 and outdated Dec 06 20:45:03 KotH: stalker Dec 06 20:45:05 at time of writing Dec 06 20:45:12 google plus is a blog Dec 06 20:45:16 "the one-l lama is a priest, the two-l llama is a beast, and I will be a silk pyjama, there isn't any three-l lllama" Dec 06 20:46:40 mranostay: cyber stalker, please Dec 06 20:46:55 mru: what if one-l and two-l are the same animal? Dec 06 20:47:02 ok sorry KotH Dec 06 20:47:02 mranostay: i'm more modern than those freaks Dec 06 20:47:21 mranostay: that would be 'lame' Dec 06 20:49:21 dm8tbr: how's your cook doing with the replication of the chocolate? Dec 06 20:49:54 KotH: we didn't touch the subject since. could be a nice christmas project Dec 06 20:50:11 dm8tbr: if you need more samples, let me know Dec 06 20:50:26 dm8tbr: but be aware that i take your imortal soul and your first born as payment Dec 06 20:50:34 thanks for the offer ;) Dec 06 20:50:41 what is a troll soul worth? Dec 06 20:50:52 mranostay: they make great toys! Dec 06 20:50:57 do trolls have a soul? Dec 06 20:52:11 well nobody really has a soul to be fair Dec 06 20:52:34 true Dec 06 20:52:44 never tell that to a true believer Dec 06 20:52:57 why not? Dec 06 20:53:12 their world will collapse Dec 06 20:53:13 and what about untrue believers? Dec 06 20:53:19 is that a problem? Dec 06 20:53:30 btw: just as a side note: it is unscientific to say that there is no soul Dec 06 20:53:42 there is no scientific evidence of a soul Dec 06 20:53:48 happy? Dec 06 20:53:53 better :) Dec 06 20:54:14 but you also have to mention that there is no scientific evidence that a souls dont exist, either ;) Dec 06 20:55:31 if it was known one way or another it wouldn't be faith anymore... it'd be fact or fiction Dec 06 20:55:35 soul music exists though ;) Dec 06 20:58:50 thurbad: from which we can conclude, because we have no evidence for or against aliens, it must be a religion :) Dec 06 20:59:15 for some it is... Dec 06 20:59:15 ther is no way i can prove santa or unicorns exist Dec 06 20:59:34 except for north korea it seems Dec 06 21:05:29 * mranostay scrolls through #rpi during lunch Dec 06 21:06:40 hehe Dec 06 21:07:26 prpplague: it is a wealth of knowledge Dec 06 21:08:40 it is full of something Dec 06 21:09:28 15-30 year old males who may or may not live in their parents' basement Dec 06 21:11:08 sounds like future trolls Dec 06 21:12:11 if their development weren't hampered by that channel sheriff Dec 06 21:12:11 * mranostay never got the people that wanted to stay at home at 30 Dec 06 21:12:46 I left the country when I was 23 Dec 06 21:13:24 i moved out at 21 Dec 06 21:13:40 and i swear if anyone says "oh last year" i'm going to smack them Dec 06 21:14:01 oh, next year? Dec 06 21:14:22 oh, last decade? Dec 06 21:14:26 note 'moved' not 'moving' Dec 06 21:14:47 mranostay: what's wrong with last year? Dec 06 21:15:08 mranostay, didn't you get your driver's temps last year? Dec 06 21:15:11 because i'm not 22 Dec 06 21:17:01 to us you'll always be 21 Dec 06 21:17:10 I wish I was 22 again.. Dec 06 21:17:43 forever 21? isn't that a store? Dec 06 21:21:26 jonand: and repeat all those mistakes? are you mad? Dec 06 21:23:19 heh chromebook pcb issues? Dec 06 22:15:31 hmmm Dec 06 23:27:47 anyone seen a load sharing behavior btwn the OTG port and the DC barrel jack on the xM when it is running in USB device mode? Dec 06 23:39:35 'night Dec 07 02:06:09 so ronery in here Dec 07 02:06:59 * Russ is reminded of the praystation meme Dec 07 02:07:21 hans blix!!! Dec 07 02:07:43 http://jamesnadiger.com/2009/06/04/126/ Dec 07 02:09:31 lol Dec 07 02:11:44 brix Dec 07 02:14:21 ok is it a bad sign when your CEO says that he 'likes saltmines it is productive'? :).. Dec 07 02:14:52 mdp: brix? Dec 07 02:15:37 mranostay: watch for "synergy" or "refocus" or "optimize expectations" Dec 07 02:16:09 well in that case you will see a lot of linkedin updates on my profile :) Dec 07 02:16:30 hehe Dec 07 02:16:32 prpplague: i hate "synergy" so much Dec 07 02:17:25 mranostay: i have this almost turrets syndrome like response when i hear it from some sort of management...... Dec 07 02:20:46 prpplague: my favorite is 'personal sacrifices' Dec 07 02:23:00 hehe **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 07 02:59:59 2012