**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 09 02:59:58 2012 Dec 09 03:31:51 _av500_: the trolling isn't working on Beaglebone commnunity Dec 09 03:33:21 *beagleboard Dec 09 03:33:40 trolling without a bridge Dec 09 03:35:53 trolls without borders? Dec 09 03:49:43 troll troll troll your boat Dec 09 03:57:17 emeb_mac: i don't see you submiting your FPGA cape in the little contest Dec 09 03:57:45 mranostay: what little contest? Dec 09 03:57:58 to the internet! Dec 09 03:58:14 http://beagleboard.org/CapeContest/ Dec 09 03:59:21 ah Dec 09 03:59:23 emeb_mac: what is the cost of the FPGA again? any volume discounts? Dec 09 03:59:59 the xcs200A is about $13 IIRC Dec 09 04:01:35 emeb_mac: how goes the software for it? Dec 09 04:01:48 mranostay: it all works. Dec 09 04:02:27 just need to get the ID PROM written and tweak the boardfile to automatically set up the I/O Dec 09 04:03:06 after that we have to get the GPMC driver working. Dec 09 04:11:46 well the id prom is the easiest part Dec 09 04:12:04 you using the device tree? :P Dec 09 04:13:41 heh Dec 09 04:14:16 I don't anticipate any issues with programming it. Just need to study the existing boardfile detection code. Dec 09 04:18:06 use capebus :) Dec 09 04:18:47 sure. just need to learn how it works. Dec 09 04:19:23 right now I've got the spi0 enable code hard-coded. Dec 09 04:19:53 you are using spi to program the fpga right? Dec 09 04:20:04 yup Dec 09 04:22:21 are you having it programmed on boot with firmware or do you want the user to be able to change it in userspace Dec 09 04:22:30 ? Dec 09 04:23:58 there's a configuration flash on-board, so it doesn't absolutely need any intervention from the beaglebone. Dec 09 04:24:58 but in order to load that flash, or temporarily load the FPGA it's necessary to have both I2C and SPI ports available in userspace for my programming app to talk to it. Dec 09 07:35:24 good morning Dec 09 07:35:49 anybody can tell me how to reach user 'dvance' by email/real name? Dec 09 10:51:11 Hey Dec 09 10:51:30 Anyone active? Dec 09 10:53:39 Have a question regarding d-link DWA 160 Dec 09 11:07:07 o/ Dec 09 11:07:29 Anyone active? Dec 09 11:09:57 http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Dec 09 11:15:31 I respect that this channel needs order but before I read a 10 page document I just wanted to know if anyone was even here Dec 09 11:16:54 I have outline most of my question here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12395269#post12395269 Dec 09 11:17:22 Basically trying to get wireless DWA-160 working on BB-xM running ubuntu 11.04 headless Dec 09 11:24:15 so you have a ubuntu problem then Dec 09 11:26:00 NZNobody: it's not about order, it's about asking useless questions nobody is going to answer Dec 09 11:27:25 but yes, as dm8tbr said, it's an ubuntu problem and not a beagle problem Dec 09 11:27:27 Well, I think the question I asked wasn't that bad Dec 09 11:27:48 "anyone active?" is as bad a question as questions get on irc Dec 09 11:28:30 Thanks, where may I seek help with my 'ubuntu' problem then? Dec 09 11:29:12 ubunto channels? ubunto fora? ubuntu launchpad? ubunto do not know where Dec 09 11:29:17 * KotH doesnt use ubuntu at all Dec 09 11:29:17 I thought maybe because it is to do with trying to compile and get drivers working on a BeagleBoard, it could be a BB problem, but maybe not Dec 09 11:29:59 well.. if you had problems with the bb hardware, or kernel drivers directly related to the bb, then yes... anything else: no Dec 09 11:30:22 That is rather specific :( Dec 09 11:30:32 well, it's a rather specific channel :) Dec 09 11:30:50 you can ask other questions as well, but dont expect an answer Dec 09 11:31:09 oh.. and your problem is most probably missing firmware or something like that Dec 09 11:31:22 Did you even read my post? Dec 09 11:31:27 yes Dec 09 11:31:52 "i have downloaded and copied to lib/firmware the firmware file found here: Carl 9170Driver Homepage" Dec 09 11:32:16 The firmware that is meant to work, is in place. Dec 09 11:32:36 But Maybe you could advise: do I need to cross compile it, or can I use the provided? Dec 09 11:33:31 I used the provided firmware for kernel 3.2+ (as my kernel is 3.2.19) Dec 09 11:34:08 then try the linux wireless channel Dec 09 11:34:13 they might be of more help Dec 09 11:34:23 but i think they will first tell you to get your compile working Dec 09 11:35:26 but why do you use gpl'ed firmware drivers in the first place? Dec 09 11:35:37 oh.. never mind... Dec 09 11:35:42 the old driver has been deprecated Dec 09 11:36:16 Yeah, wireless and BB are not the easiest things on this planet Dec 09 11:36:32 hmm? Dec 09 11:36:35 i dont think so Dec 09 11:36:45 wirless is a lot of different stuff that you have to fit together Dec 09 11:36:52 but one day of googling and reading will get you there Dec 09 11:37:11 and the bb... there are exact steps to be found everywhere Dec 09 11:37:56 i got my panda working in less then half a day... another half a day to get buildroot with the right settings to have my fully custom system Dec 09 11:38:00 so it cannot be that hard Dec 09 11:38:09 I have spent nearly the last eight ours attempting this :( Admitted I am mostly linux noob, but this is not easy Dec 09 11:38:22 oh.. that might be the problem Dec 09 11:38:37 it is easy.. if you know how linux works exactly ^^' Dec 09 11:38:55 Yeah, I am not very familiar with linux... Dec 09 11:39:04 as i said, go to the linxu wirless guys, they are usually very helpfull Dec 09 11:39:26 but please follow the guidelines given to you by dm8tbr Dec 09 11:39:45 they are really helpfull when describing problems Dec 09 11:40:00 (people respond much faster when the problem is clearly formulated) Dec 09 11:42:06 Thanks, am there now. Any other advice? Dec 09 11:42:25 yes, read lots of stuff :-) Dec 09 11:43:12 Done. Dec 09 11:43:14 Trust me Dec 09 11:43:21 not enough Dec 09 11:43:23 trust me Dec 09 11:43:55 i'me doing linux for more than a decade, and i'm still reading a couple hundred pages on linux related stuff every week Dec 09 13:42:51 . Dec 09 13:43:30 good morning janne, have you slept well? what is disturbing you so early in the morning? Dec 09 13:43:31 oops Dec 09 13:44:00 hanging screen/mosh session Dec 09 13:44:19 yeah, that can be really disturbing... Dec 09 13:44:26 good afternoon KotH Dec 09 15:47:23 can anyone offer a newbie the way to get into the u-boot on the beaglebone? Dec 09 15:47:59 press the 'any' key when it tells you to Dec 09 15:48:00 so that I can do this:http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/TI-Android-ICS-4.0.3-DevKit-3.0.1_UserGuide#Booting_Android Dec 09 16:36:34 lost network, reposting: Can anyone help a newbie figure out how to get into the "u-boot" on the Beaglebone to do a mmc rescan, so I can do this: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/TI-Android-ICS-4.0.3-DevKit-3.0.1_UserGuide#Booting_Android Dec 09 18:07:04 does the PRU have to me loaded specifically instruction by instruction or can it be memcpy'd in? Dec 09 18:08:25 what's the difference? Dec 09 18:08:29 a write is a write Dec 09 18:09:45 mru, thats what I thought however what I am loading appears not to be running Dec 09 18:09:54 enabled the pru? Dec 09 18:10:43 you have to write the code, flush all buffers, clean all caches, and then release the pru Dec 09 18:12:15 yeh its all enabled, Im converting a bit of code from reading in the pru firmware from an array to reading it through the kernels request_firmware. So I have just literally replaced the loading. And its stopped working heh Dec 09 18:12:31 or release the kraken. your choice. Dec 09 18:13:19 personally I'd go with the kraken Dec 09 18:13:35 :) was wondering if there was antyhign special about that memory range, shall go over it all again. Cheers Dec 09 18:13:35 a lot easier to control Dec 09 18:26:56 request_firmware: which OS? Dec 09 18:31:37 mhaberler, linux Dec 09 18:31:57 arent you using prussdrv.c? Dec 09 18:32:16 nope Dec 09 18:32:39 so what then - and what 'linux'? Dec 09 18:32:55 lots to choose from Dec 09 18:33:14 I'd guess torvalds' version, even if rms doesn't recommend it Dec 09 18:33:45 do you use the uio_pruss kernel module? Dec 09 18:34:13 try 'uname -a' Dec 09 18:34:47 mru: ubuntu shall be shunned for spying! (according to rms) Dec 09 18:35:06 he's getting a tad ridiculous these days Dec 09 18:35:18 ridiculous happens to old people. Dec 09 18:35:31 not exclusively Dec 09 18:36:14 strata: that's a much older quote Dec 09 18:36:20 http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg53296.html Dec 09 18:36:49 jeepers Dec 09 18:37:23 i tend to agree with alot of what he says, but it would be impossible to me myself to follow in his path. it's just not practical. Dec 09 18:38:00 to him it's much more important to be 'pure' than actually getting anything done Dec 09 18:39:13 yeah, the 'You Shall Write FOSS like So' inqusitor - and thanks for the license incompatibility mess Dec 09 18:39:19 oh wow it appears to have been an endian issue, I dumped the virmware from the include on my desktop so thought I know flip the endian for the little endian cpu bit it appears that request_firmware flips it back again ha Dec 09 18:39:30 that's one thing i've been somewhat curious about regarding OMAP. Dec 09 18:40:16 is the OMAP completely open? could I go to TI and download all the documentation/sources/plans for the OMAP used in a beaglebone for example? Dec 09 18:40:43 you can get the programming specs for almost all of it Dec 09 18:40:58 except the sgx Dec 09 18:41:21 so there are parts of it that are protected by license conditions between TI and ARM? Dec 09 18:41:46 which means even a beaglebone is not pure enough for RMS Dec 09 18:42:17 you get, again, full _programming_ specs for the cpu core from arm Dec 09 18:42:26 you do not get the plans to build your own Dec 09 18:42:40 not that you could anyway Dec 09 18:43:37 mru: my understanding of OMAP is that it's more than just the cpu core. TI gets licenses the core from arm and adds their 'icing' to it and OMAP is born. So what if there is a hidden feature like surviellance logic? Dec 09 18:44:08 TI take parts from many suppliers and integrate them together with some of their own Dec 09 18:44:47 so the cpu core is from arm, 3d graphics from imagination, usb from mentor, ethernet from someone else, etc Dec 09 18:44:49 right. the OMAP is an SoC containing the sgx, ARM core, and other things. Dec 09 18:44:57 * strata *nods* Dec 09 18:45:21 most of these vendors either allow TI to publish sufficient information to program them or do so themselves Dec 09 18:45:29 strata: if you go down that road, you'll end up having to actually create the CPU and all the gear necessary to manufacture it yourself Dec 09 18:46:32 dm8tbr: hahaha yes! I shall fill an entire room with 4011 quad nand gates and 555 timers. should be good enough to send an email here and there. Dec 09 18:47:37 mru: so even things such as beagleboards and rpi's are not 'pure enough' for rms. Dec 09 18:47:59 he's actually quite the hypocrite when it comes to these things Dec 09 18:48:11 otherwise he'd have to live in a cave and eat raw rat meat Dec 09 18:48:16 true Dec 09 18:48:25 so the VHDL files for that CPU in his laptop are available for download? Dec 09 18:48:34 dm8tbr: of course not Dec 09 18:48:47 considering 99.9999% of the worlds open source software is written on 'non-pure' systems. Dec 09 18:48:54 then he uses said 'tainted' software. Dec 09 18:49:02 OMG! someone send him a pony express mail to stop using it! Dec 09 18:49:04 now there _are_ reasonable cpus where can get the vhdl/verilog easily Dec 09 18:49:35 but you still can't build them Dec 09 18:50:37 and putting the model into an FPGA (if one to accomodate that would exist) wouldn't work either, because someone could have added spy blocks to it or a backdoor for which there is no documentation. Dec 09 18:50:55 * dm8tbr recommends that we all stop using technology and become hunter-gatherers Dec 09 18:51:10 the fpga itself is still non-free Dec 09 18:51:18 as are the synthesis tools Dec 09 18:52:26 that's what I meant Dec 09 18:52:36 software source is something anyone can realistically do something with Dec 09 18:52:52 so being open there is immediately useful to people Dec 09 20:20:53 <_av500_> back! Dec 09 20:22:25 ¡front Dec 09 20:22:43 <_av500_> right Dec 09 20:23:13 wrong Dec 09 20:23:52 <_av500_> anyway, back from bavaria in spite of the snow Dec 09 20:30:40 _av500_: btw, still got that sh4 board? Dec 09 21:12:51 <_av500_> the 7109? Dec 09 21:12:53 <_av500_> yes Dec 09 21:16:17 I could use an sh4 system to delete some ugly code Dec 09 21:39:01 lundidum Dec 09 23:25:58 hmmmmm, can you read from the PRUs iram while its running? or do I have to do something special Dec 09 23:35:01 whatever the trm says Dec 09 23:36:51 4.3.1.1 says you can't Dec 10 00:08:14 mru, ahh cheers Dec 10 02:04:32 mru: you need an sh4 system? Dec 10 02:44:07 wmat: actually, I have one but it's not cooperating and I don't have the jtag tools to coerce it properly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 10 02:59:58 2012