**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 17 02:59:58 2012 Dec 17 08:39:39 does the 3.8 kernel support the beaglebone out of the box yet? Dec 17 08:39:45 as in, the vanilla kernel Dec 17 08:42:44 spacekitteh: short answer: np Dec 17 08:42:46 ehm Dec 17 08:42:47 no Dec 17 08:43:12 if you want to try 3.8rc on bone, use this: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 Dec 17 08:43:21 yeah, that was my next question Dec 17 08:44:24 won't just typing "make uImage dtbs" use the x86 compiler? Dec 17 08:45:17 well set ARCH and CROSS_COMPILE accordingly Dec 17 08:45:30 is that in the config? or on the command line? Dec 17 08:45:38 you would need to do that anyways to get the correct config Dec 17 08:46:10 ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=$WHATEVERPATHANDPREFIXYOURTOOLCHAINHAS make menuconfig Dec 17 08:46:13 ofr example Dec 17 08:46:22 * spacekitteh nods Dec 17 09:16:10 morn' Dec 17 09:56:22 lol Dec 17 09:56:24 * tipple rapes cwillu's mom Dec 17 09:56:29 this is too good Dec 17 09:56:37 im loving it Dec 17 09:57:13 jkridner_: could you please? Dec 17 10:24:19 cwillu: how to make fireballs Dec 17 10:24:27 who wants cwillu's bookmarks file? Dec 17 10:25:31 tipple: hi, mind a query? Dec 17 10:33:10 Fuchs: thanks Dec 17 10:33:23 you're welcome, I guess Dec 17 10:34:21 he is gone, that's good :) Dec 17 10:35:09 but seriously, who wants to make fireballs? Dec 17 10:35:13 * cwillu mutters Dec 17 10:35:18 * LetoThe2nd would. Dec 17 10:35:27 * KotH too Dec 17 10:35:33 we are not on this channels access list, hence we usually won't interfere. I am mainly here because it was reported as being an issue in a few channels. In general, maybe a few more trusted people as ops might help. Anyway, I am leaving you guys now, sorry for intruding, have a nice day :) Dec 17 10:37:57 * KotH wouldnt trust anyone here, they are all trolls! Dec 17 10:38:13 * dm8tbr clears his throat Dec 17 10:38:22 trolololololoLOLOLOLOLO! Dec 17 10:38:25 "sandworm", please. Dec 17 10:39:41 obligatory youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CaTY1VFTPA Dec 17 10:44:26 i always thought it was http://www.youtube.com/movie/dune Dec 17 10:45:09 somebody at samsungs loves bit banging way too much: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2048511 Dec 17 10:46:59 WTF is wrong with chrome and middle mouse button paste? Dec 17 10:47:26 nobody needs that Dec 17 10:47:36 nobody needs more than one mouse button Dec 17 10:47:39 use apple-C, apple-V Dec 17 10:50:25 I can handle apple-juice Dec 17 10:51:17 you mean schorle Dec 17 11:02:46 KotH: if you want to dilute it... Dec 17 11:03:51 you're german, you've to drink schorle Dec 17 11:04:04 swiss drink "moscht" Dec 17 11:04:06 :) Dec 17 11:05:09 KotH: also I am non-conforming Dec 17 11:05:36 how can that be? you're from the land of DIN! Dec 17 11:23:35 KotH: http://mark.reid.name/iem/gun-deaths-vs-gun-ownership.html Dec 17 11:23:41 switzerland is special :) Dec 17 11:25:12 and mexico... no one's supposed to have them there Dec 17 11:26:16 thurbad: mexico is the role model for the US I guess Dec 17 11:26:23 heh Dec 17 11:27:47 actually I think you woudlwant to be below the diagonal on that graph... USA is right on the linemore or less Dec 17 11:27:58 mexico and switzerland are actually high Dec 17 11:28:08 as is canada Dec 17 11:29:20 not really sure the graph actually shows any meaningful info though Dec 17 11:30:47 not to the mentally insane Dec 17 11:31:09 and I dont mean that in an offensinve way Dec 17 11:31:22 no worries Dec 17 11:31:43 I am just repeating anti-gun control propaganda Dec 17 11:32:00 heh Dec 17 11:32:19 declaring one self insane is a common defense tactics Dec 17 11:32:45 * KotH is absolutely sane Dec 17 11:32:57 at least most of us are Dec 17 11:32:59 for a nation to do it is a novelty though Dec 17 11:33:55 insanity is not a defense in most US states, unless you can prove a mental deficiency Dec 17 11:34:52 thurbad: well, this case is not being tried in a court Dec 17 11:34:55 jury nullification is probably more common than a successful insanity plea Dec 17 11:35:07 agreed.. just saying Dec 17 11:51:47 Hello folks, can anyone help me identify some of the connectors on the XM rev C please? Dec 17 11:52:27 I want to know what HDR_17x2_1.27mm and HDR 2X2_1.27mm are? Dec 17 11:55:58 P10,P11,P13, P17,P18 ? Dec 17 11:56:33 Can anyone help me find a manufacturers part no for these so I can find the mating parts? thank you. Dec 17 12:04:52 it's in the docs, isn't it? Dec 17 12:05:29 if I remember it correctly it's from MLE - Major League Electronics Dec 17 12:05:48 not MLO? Dec 17 12:06:48 MLO is borken Dec 17 12:07:00 mlonday Dec 17 12:18:47 Thank you - I will look at them. Dec 17 12:22:49 Has anyone any idea what the series/range of connectors are called for the HDR 2X2_1.27mm one? Dec 17 12:23:28 ynezz - I cannot see it in the docs - they do not give manufacturers part names on all parts. Dec 17 12:41:46 Mattylad: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=HDR+2X2_1.27mm Dec 17 12:58:55 my 10€ pogoplug arrived Dec 17 12:58:57 its... Dec 17 12:58:59 .... Dec 17 12:59:00 pink Dec 17 13:00:33 lol Dec 17 13:00:35 av500: so much love! Dec 17 13:04:09 av500: makes me think of aerosmith Dec 17 13:07:23 av500: you get what you pay for Dec 17 13:07:34 av500: but your girls will definitly love it! :) Dec 17 13:15:53 hmm Dec 17 13:16:03 maybe I can bitbang something onto it Dec 17 13:17:32 https://github.com/magyarm/beaglebone-fpga Dec 17 13:20:40 hungariarm Dec 17 13:20:58 * KotH feeds koen with some mips Dec 17 13:56:39 gm all Dec 17 13:56:47 grüezi Dec 17 14:22:03 Hey. I' working with a BeagleBoard xM (TI OMAP3 DM3730 @800Mhz) and a have some problem with the xorg omapfb driver with the xorg server version 13. I always get the following error: "omapdss DPI error: failed to enable display: no manager". Did someone had such a problem too or know how to solve it? Every hint is welcome. :) Dec 17 14:31:32 what are you bootargs? Dec 17 14:33:52 https://semiaccurate.com/2012/12/17/atom-versus-tegra-3-in-windows-8-tablets/ Dec 17 14:36:24 thurbad: setenv bootargs console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait ro omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-16@60 fixrtc mpurate=800 Dec 17 15:01:15 Been away & busy - Koth - Google does NOT provider the answer - I tried that beforehand. Dec 17 15:01:42 But thanks for the help guys - now I know where not to bother coming when searching for beagleboard answers. Dec 17 15:02:30 jkridner_: ping Dec 17 15:02:51 pong Dec 17 15:55:29 .o0(google does provide the answer) Dec 17 15:58:40 av500: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/17/1353255/raspberry-pi-team-launches-pi-store Dec 17 15:59:50 yay - paid apps Dec 17 15:59:58 yay Dec 17 16:00:02 paid armv6 apps Dec 17 16:00:31 good luck with that... Dec 17 16:03:12 on a platform that's thriving primarily because it costs "$35" I'm guessing the user base isn't going to be spending a lot on software. Dec 17 16:03:29 considering that most of the rpi users seem to be pretty clueless Dec 17 16:06:40 well, it has one paid app Dec 17 16:06:50 calling it a store is bold Dec 17 16:07:27 or italic Dec 17 16:07:49 but it has windows games.... Dec 17 16:08:29 av500, so now we have the rpi business plan Dec 17 16:08:40 lose money on the h/w, make it up with s/w sales Dec 17 16:08:46 lol, good luck with that Dec 17 16:22:57 panto: have they lost money on the hardware? Dec 17 16:24:04 i doubt it Dec 17 16:24:34 though what they get out of it might be not much Dec 17 16:25:33 prolly something in the range of 10-20usd for parts, add another 5-10usd for production and handling Dec 17 16:26:26 for better numbers ask someone who has more experience with large volume production Dec 17 16:26:43 av500: calling it a "shop" would be bold, but "store" does not sound too weird at least for me Dec 17 16:27:40 so where's the source for Iridium Rising? Let's check the FAQ: Why is the game not open source? Dec 17 16:27:42 hmm, but they are also calling it "one-stop shop" :) Dec 17 16:27:44 The game is the result of many years of work, during which we have developed a large codebase that we plan to use as the basis of more games. In addition much of the code is undocumented and therefore it is not obvious how much use it would be to other people. Dec 17 16:28:09 sounds like any oss project Dec 17 16:29:10 ok, so it's a "Raspberry Pi exclusive" why? Dec 17 16:29:30 because it took them many years to get it working on the rpi Dec 17 16:29:43 it would be a lot more work to get it working on a pc Dec 17 16:30:15 i guess we'll never know Dec 17 16:39:51 KotH, use BOM cost times pi to find selling price you will make moeny with Dec 17 16:40:02 including paying people to design stuff Dec 17 16:42:04 Crofton|work: that doesnt include software yet...and highly depends on the complexity of the product and volume Dec 17 16:42:40 Crofton|work: we usually charge about 100 to 1000 times the bom cost Dec 17 16:43:18 Crofton|work: but i know that for high volume you can make even money with just 101% of bom costs Dec 17 16:44:26 we would all love to be able to charge those margins Dec 17 16:44:36 101% is a corner case Dec 17 16:44:40 lol, one of the first apps for rpi is 'cricket scores LIVE' Dec 17 16:45:17 Crofton|work: our usual volume size is in the range of 10 to 100.. absolute not per year :) Dec 17 16:46:05 Crofton|work: only about a third of the projects we do go into series production, and then it's usually a couple 100 to a few 1000 per year Dec 17 16:46:45 I do hope this app store model increases RPi sales, as that's a good thing right? That will allow the RPi Foundation to continue to fund it's original goals. Dec 17 17:28:18 not to mention that virtually all new users to elinux.org over the last 6-8 months have been RPi centric Dec 17 17:31:06 rpi store makes top headline on google news tech section. *eyeroll* Dec 17 17:53:26 they seem to have great marketing Dec 17 17:53:48 wmat: indeed Dec 17 17:53:49 lolpi -> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/12/beetbox-lets-you-play-root-vegetables-latest-handmade-raspberry-pi-coolness/ Dec 17 17:53:57 wmat: superb actually Dec 17 17:54:15 wmat: if TI had put that much effort into panda......well we will never know... Dec 17 17:54:31 prpplague: no doubt Dec 17 17:54:57 prpplague: they should do it for the Beagle family Dec 17 17:55:01 wmat: btw, it appears my contract with TI is still valid, just won't be working on panda anymore... Dec 17 17:55:31 wmat: Well...it also helps that the pricepoint is so much lower. Dec 17 17:55:52 +1 Dec 17 17:55:54 agmlego: that doesn't hurt, of course Dec 17 17:55:58 But yeah, the TI boards have not been nearly as well marketed as they could have been. Dec 17 17:56:26 but for what you get, the costs of both boards are appropriate Dec 17 17:56:32 Right. Dec 17 17:56:50 But it still ends up being a $35 board versus a $150-180 board. Dec 17 17:56:57 prpplague, re TI contract, that's a good thing, right? Dec 17 17:57:35 agmlego: I'd rather see people save another $50 and buy a Beaglebone, but that's just me Dec 17 17:57:58 agmlego: or better yet, start with a RPi and move onto the Beaglebone Dec 17 17:58:09 wmat: Right, the Bone exists. Dec 17 17:58:38 wmat: Most of what I do with these boards, I need much higher processing capabilities, so I forget the bone is there. Dec 17 17:58:50 Still a choice between a $35 board and a $90 one. Dec 17 17:58:58 bradfa: i'll let you know in a few weeks.... Dec 17 17:59:12 prpplague, well, hopefully you'll get a good outcome Dec 17 17:59:48 agmlego: whole different market for the panda than the RPi anyway, but the panda could have used that kind of marketing Dec 17 17:59:59 prpplague: True. Dec 17 18:13:51 prpplague: av500: you guys are making G+ too real :) Dec 17 18:14:15 can we stick to cats pictures? :) Dec 17 18:14:27 prpplague: cool! Dec 17 18:15:34 mranostay, +1 Dec 17 18:17:22 mranostay: hehe Dec 17 18:17:27 mranostay: too much gun talk? Dec 17 18:18:15 a bit Dec 17 18:18:17 guns are good Dec 17 18:18:29 and i own a _few_ Dec 17 18:18:29 they help to identify the idiots in the world Dec 17 18:18:43 KotH: those have them or not? :) Dec 17 18:18:54 they have them :) Dec 17 18:19:02 don't you have .ch issued Sig-556 under your bed? :) Dec 17 18:19:43 KotH: i'll admit go to a few states in the South and that is best arguement for gun control :) Dec 17 18:20:05 prpplague: i'm excluding most of Texas so don't freak out :P Dec 17 18:20:06 mranostay: no, it's not under my bed, it's in my closet Dec 17 18:20:13 mranostay: and it's a 550 :) Dec 17 18:20:48 prpplague: of course Texas is too west to be south and too south to be west :P Dec 17 18:20:59 hehe Dec 17 18:21:20 mranostay: no worries, i don't listen to most of that stuff anyways, hehe Dec 17 18:22:00 speaking of which Dec 17 18:22:20 * mranostay runs Dec 17 18:22:38 koen: i just put my barrett up for sale, gonna use the money to get a bigger gun safe and a better assortment of weapons Dec 17 18:23:32 koen: beth is going to be so disappointed Dec 17 18:23:33 also not into spending $4 a round? :) Dec 17 18:24:22 mranostay: right now it's closer to $50 a round Dec 17 18:24:46 mranostay: the price has gone sky high in the last year Dec 17 18:27:07 damn it, I really need to speculate in ammo futures Dec 17 18:27:17 heh Dec 17 18:27:19 hehe Dec 17 18:27:32 i believe we call them arms dealers Dec 17 18:27:52 * mranostay pictures Crofton|work watching Lord of War to get some pointers :P Dec 17 18:27:52 * prpplague pictures Crofton|work as the next "Lord of War" Dec 17 18:27:57 HA Dec 17 18:28:00 creepy Dec 17 18:29:16 prpplague: $50 per round? Dec 17 18:29:23 prpplague: what kind of ammo is that? Dec 17 18:29:30 KotH: 50cal Dec 17 18:29:53 welcome to #guntalk Dec 17 18:29:56 oh.. Dec 17 18:30:00 well.. Dec 17 18:30:13 prpplague: why the fuck do you have such a bfg? Dec 17 18:30:27 KotH: for fun probably :) Dec 17 18:30:40 totally impractical for anything else Dec 17 18:30:50 KotH: 1) fun 2) because i choose to have one 3) it is the weapon i trained on Dec 17 18:31:17 prpplague: army? Dec 17 18:31:22 yea Dec 17 18:31:24 prpplague: ah.. 3) makes actually sense :) Dec 17 18:32:22 prpplague: Desert Storm? Dec 17 18:32:39 * mranostay almost typed Dessert Storm Dec 17 18:32:45 * mranostay gets more coffee Dec 17 18:32:56 dessert wouldnt be bad now Dec 17 18:33:57 * KotH wonders whether he would be allowed to have such a large gun Dec 17 18:34:23 prpplague: 30 pounds? Dec 17 18:34:44 and if i could have it, where could i shoot with it? Dec 17 18:35:47 mranostay: yea about 30 pounds, a little more with a larger scope Dec 17 18:36:02 * mranostay pops some kittens in the room to make it less real in here :) Dec 17 18:36:40 oh boy i get to learn how to use Perforce today Dec 17 18:37:07 hehe Dec 17 18:37:12 * prpplague goes back to hacking Dec 17 18:37:35 Perforce - :P Dec 17 18:37:53 prpplague: is perforce still like cvs? Dec 17 18:38:06 KotH: looks shitty so far so yes Dec 17 18:38:14 er.. Dec 17 18:38:20 * KotH not awake anymore Dec 17 18:38:32 * emeb had to use Perforce 10yrs ago. Not since. :) Dec 17 18:38:40 emeb: heartbroken? :) Dec 17 18:38:45 mranostay: what is the reason to use p4 these days? Dec 17 18:38:54 legacy stuff in house Dec 17 18:38:56 mranostay: not missing it. Dec 17 18:39:12 * KotH has the same feeling Dec 17 18:39:12 needs to be moved to a modern system Dec 17 18:39:27 mranostay: see if you can sell 'em on git. :) Dec 17 18:39:44 although some of "those above" loved it from previous companies Dec 17 18:39:54 emeb: we use git for anything new Dec 17 18:40:16 but we had 4 source control systems for a short time..... Dec 17 18:40:59 cvs, p4, svn, git? Dec 17 18:41:06 bingo Dec 17 18:41:22 the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Dec 17 18:41:36 some engineer manager started a svn tree i stopped that :) Dec 17 18:41:49 lol Dec 17 18:41:51 why? Dec 17 18:42:10 KotH: 4 scm systems is a bit much don't you think? Dec 17 18:42:19 Nah. Dec 17 18:42:23 he didn't want to learn git or didn't like it Dec 17 18:42:24 nah, why did he start svn when you already had git? Dec 17 18:42:25 The more the merrier. Dec 17 18:42:33 he didn't want to learn git or didn't like it Dec 17 18:42:34 o_0 Dec 17 18:42:38 Get bzr in there too. Dec 17 18:43:01 mranostay: here, that'd be a reason to suggest you to look for another job Dec 17 18:43:21 i'm always 'passively looking' :) Dec 17 18:43:31 eh.. Dec 17 18:43:36 when did that become a term btw :P Dec 17 18:44:04 i rather meant that if someone at our company would introduce a tool, because he didnt like what everyone else uses, then people would suggest him to look for another job Dec 17 18:44:28 ah well in a sane world that is way it would work :) Dec 17 18:44:39 our company is mostly sane Dec 17 18:44:46 KotH: how many people? Dec 17 18:44:48 you cannot afford insanity if you are only 10 people Dec 17 18:44:56 ah yes Dec 17 18:45:04 after 20 or so it all goes to hell Dec 17 18:45:11 yeah Dec 17 18:45:15 * mranostay pokes mdp :) Dec 17 18:45:19 though i know companies with >50 that are still sane Dec 17 18:45:40 KotH: there are a exceptions of course Dec 17 18:45:43 and i have seen one from the inside with 30 people that behaved like a multinational megacorp Dec 17 18:45:59 heh those are the fun ones.... Dec 17 18:51:05 yeah... Dec 17 18:51:11 up to the point of using SAP Dec 17 18:51:17 for everything Dec 17 18:51:29 for 30 people? Dec 17 18:51:42 banking software or something? Dec 17 18:52:12 nope Dec 17 18:52:22 tv and radio consumption measurement Dec 17 18:54:56 ah the swiss version of Nielsen rating? Dec 17 18:55:32 exactly Dec 17 18:55:52 there are iirc 5 or 6 companies world wide that provide such devices Dec 17 19:03:31 they would draw a deaf ear from me Dec 17 19:04:15 even if you dont consume, you are important to be measured Dec 17 19:04:21 for the statistics :) Dec 17 19:05:05 put me down in the minority that does not watch tv or go to movies or rent movies, etc Dec 17 19:05:49 Anyone had issues with journalctl and the bug "Failed to iterate through journal: Bad message" with systemd 44 on angstrom? Dec 17 19:07:48 There are a handful of known bugs related to this message on the web, with various indications of being patched. I'm a little hesitant to bug #systemd as v44 is a bit dated. Dec 17 19:08:33 you dont want to know my oppinion on using systemd Dec 17 19:17:17 heh, I've actually quite liked it Dec 17 19:39:50 8 Dec 17 19:39:52 blah Dec 17 19:40:24 ds2: has the blahs Dec 17 19:42:27 indeed... too much rain Dec 17 19:46:08 I'm trying to use the CAN interface on the beaglebone, uart1_rtsn and uart1_ctsn . I've set up the driver in the kernel, I've done the pin muxing and initialization in board_am335x file. Then once it boots I have the can0 interface, so I configure. Dec 17 19:46:26 'ip link set can0 type can bitrate 50000 triple-sampling on' Dec 17 19:46:32 That works fine, so I start the interface. Dec 17 19:46:37 'ip link set can0 up' Dec 17 19:46:47 This also succeeds, so I send a message. Dec 17 19:47:02 'cansend can0 -i 0x01 0x00 0x11 0x22' Dec 17 19:47:06 This also works. Dec 17 19:47:19 But when I look at the TX pin on the beaglebone, nothing is happening. Dec 17 19:47:45 try harder Dec 17 19:47:50 Haha. Okay. Dec 17 19:48:24 I've hooked it up to a can transceiver, and made the bus properly -- capping it with resistors like I'm supposed to. Dec 17 19:48:40 Do you have any insight as to why this isn't working? Dec 17 19:53:43 you sure you have the muxing correct? Dec 17 19:55:09 Almost entirely positive. Dec 17 19:55:12 I suppose I can check. Dec 17 19:56:31 {"uart1_rtsn.d_can1_tx", OMAP_MUX_MODE2 | AM33XX_PIN_OUTPUT } Dec 17 19:56:32 {"uart1_ctsn.d_can1_rx", OMAP_MUX_MODE2 | AM33XX_PIN_INPUT_PULLUP }, Dec 17 19:56:34 Yep. Dec 17 20:01:02 i don't know much about CAN buses but shouldn't the TX line be a pullup as well? Dec 17 20:02:25 I thought CAN was differentially-signalled. Dec 17 20:02:44 CAN is only differentially signaled after it comes out of the CAN transceiver. Dec 17 20:02:53 Out of the BB it's just a regular signal. Dec 17 20:03:17 I don't think so, but I can try that. Dec 17 20:03:53 Ah. Dec 17 20:36:49 koen: dangerous with boards today i see Dec 17 20:44:11 * mranostay bows before Tartarus Dec 17 20:44:35 * Tartarus pokes mranostay Dec 17 20:46:06 that tickles Dec 17 20:48:48 Tartarus: how is it in trained bootloader monkey land? Dec 17 20:48:54 rofl Dec 17 20:49:02 god, that was an epic comment Dec 17 20:49:23 same old same old :) Dec 17 20:50:02 Tartarus: are least you are trained :P Dec 17 22:33:09 jkridner_: what is the all the ops? Dec 17 22:38:54 * djlewis suspects jkridner_ gets tired of doing all the baby sitting Dec 17 22:40:04 mranostay: were you around the other day when mr porn chimed in? Dec 17 22:40:17 missed that one Dec 17 22:40:26 * mranostay pulls up logs Dec 17 22:42:15 were your logs falling down? Get a belt. Dec 17 22:47:24 cute Dec 17 22:51:20 the one that wanted to rape someone's mom? or was that a separate instance? Dec 17 22:51:35 interesting Dec 17 22:51:52 yeah an op that was awake would have been nice Dec 17 22:52:32 i vaguely remember that Dec 17 22:53:21 i swear everyone in this channel is either 13 or 40 :P Dec 17 22:53:29 I am 12 Dec 17 22:53:42 I'm nearly the latter Dec 17 22:53:54 my wife tells me sometimes Dec 17 22:54:21 okay good nite Dec 17 22:54:53 heh Dec 17 23:05:11 * emeb shakes cane Dec 17 23:07:41 mranostay: shakes his logs Dec 17 23:09:17 * emeb laughs Dec 17 23:28:32 djlewis: this is a family channel Dec 17 23:31:01 * djlewis shutters at seeing so many ops too. . . Dec 17 23:32:00 later, time to head home.. :) Dec 18 00:48:30 av500: shared a lovely music video with you... think we need to make a version for #beagle Dec 18 00:48:48 av500: think we can get enough people to lip sink that at ELC? Dec 18 01:01:34 prpplague, which video? Dec 18 01:03:28 nfsw Dec 18 01:03:33 *nsfw even Dec 18 01:09:30 mranostay: yea not work safe Dec 18 01:10:40 exact steps, anyone? http://i.imgur.com/vjA6v.jpg (mdp) Dec 18 01:11:06 CareBear\: hey bud! Dec 18 01:11:23 CareBear\: damm Dec 18 01:11:45 needs moar solderless breadboard Dec 18 01:12:23 breadboards, it's my precious Dec 18 01:13:07 i need some non-nerd friends :P Dec 18 01:13:29 mranostay: HA Dec 18 01:13:41 mranostay: uh let me tell you, it most likely won;t happen Dec 18 01:13:52 mranostay: i have already ruined my critters Dec 18 01:16:41 CareBear\, lies, there is no bb Dec 18 01:19:25 prpplague: ok how about less dorky friends can i pull that one off? :) Dec 18 01:20:08 mranostay: only with a lot of effort and you have to pretend you like some sort of sporting event Dec 18 01:20:21 mranostay: and be able to spout stats on demand Dec 18 01:25:19 prpplague: yeah i've learned to be really vague about what i do for a living as well Dec 18 01:26:06 mranostay: hehe Dec 18 01:26:28 mranostay: i used to tell women at bars that i was a union worker for a waster disposal company Dec 18 01:26:47 mranostay: worked much better than telling whem what i actually did Dec 18 01:26:56 heh Dec 18 01:27:09 * emeb found his wife in engineering school. Dec 18 01:27:57 CareBear\: what is that? Dec 18 01:28:19 emeb: hehe, lucky devil Dec 18 01:28:53 wmat: after that panasonic interview last friday i was pretty down Dec 18 01:29:08 prpplague: effin east coasters! Dec 18 01:29:27 prpplague: don't let the HR droid do that to you Dec 18 01:29:36 wmat: i got home and my wife said, "hey they lost a good thing! they missed out on having a great developer! you after all the Purple Plague!" Dec 18 01:29:54 prpplague: she rules! Dec 18 01:30:07 prpplague: you going to make VCRs? Dec 18 01:30:09 * mranostay ducks Dec 18 01:30:46 mranostay: hehe it was for panasonic automotive Dec 18 01:30:53 prpplague: we'll see how cool our wives are when we inform them we're opening a hackerspace/bar on a beach in Barbados Dec 18 01:30:55 VCRs for cars? Dec 18 01:31:18 wmat: why wouldn't they like that? Dec 18 01:31:24 mranostay: did the interview, they were very happy, we talked money, and then they said, "so we just need one piece of info: where did you get you college degree?" Dec 18 01:31:51 prpplague: ah same boat as me? Dec 18 01:32:02 mranostay: seems so Dec 18 01:32:03 emeb: well, there would be the inevitable "what's a hackerspace" questions Dec 18 01:32:33 prpplague: just say MIT Dec 18 01:34:31 wmat: our new place of business - https://maps.google.com/maps?q=bridgetown,+barbados&hl=en&ll=13.187032,-59.476365&spn=0.002021,0.004128&sll=31.168934,-100.076842&sspn=14.527443,33.815918&hnear=Bridgetown,+St+Michael,+Barbados&t=h&z=19 Dec 18 01:34:32 stupid rigid HR hiring policies Dec 18 01:34:54 prpplague: let's go! Dec 18 01:34:58 she was pretty rude about it, basically accused me of wasting her time Dec 18 01:35:07 yo usaid they have fiber there right Dec 18 01:35:14 yea Dec 18 01:35:25 wmat: the building on the right was a call center Dec 18 01:35:32 perfect Dec 18 01:35:49 we can rent that too and open a brothel Dec 18 01:35:50 prpplague: don't you love corporate hiring policies....? Dec 18 01:36:22 some of the best engineers I know don't have the sheepskin. Dec 18 01:36:26 mranostay: indeed Dec 18 01:36:28 wmat: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=bridgetown,+barbados&hl=en&ll=13.187612,-59.479498&spn=0.004043,0.008256&sll=31.168934,-100.076842&sspn=14.527443,33.815918&hnear=Bridgetown,+St+Michael,+Barbados&t=h&z=18 Dec 18 01:36:29 some of the dumbest ones do Dec 18 01:36:52 wmat: thats an abandoned US weather station Dec 18 01:37:18 prpplague: can we just take it over? Dec 18 01:37:31 squatters rights, etc. Dec 18 01:37:44 wmat: just gotta pay the .gov fees Dec 18 01:37:55 i'm not sure that works with government property Dec 18 01:38:23 there were rumors that it was a CIA operations center Dec 18 01:38:28 prpplague: your wife probably wouldn't mind moving back there? Dec 18 01:38:39 mranostay: it does when it is owned by the barbados gov Dec 18 01:39:06 emeb: hehe as long as i pay for the A/C she she likes Dec 18 01:39:11 lol Dec 18 01:39:50 i mean does this really look like a weather radar? https://maps.google.com/maps?q=bridgetown,+barbados&hl=en&ll=13.188899,-59.48156&spn=0.002021,0.004128&sll=31.168934,-100.076842&sspn=14.527443,33.815918&hnear=Bridgetown,+St+Michael,+Barbados&t=h&z=19 Dec 18 01:39:54 my son would be the captain of the hockey team there, that's for sure ;) Dec 18 01:40:04 never been to that part of the world - I imagine it's warm & humid year-round. Dec 18 01:40:25 prpplague: is there even one ice rink on the island? :) Dec 18 01:40:26 wmat: hehe Dec 18 01:40:37 mranostay: probably not Dec 18 01:40:40 mranostay: no cricket and "football" are the games of choice Dec 18 01:40:42 prpplague: looks more like a nav beacon. Dec 18 01:40:46 * wmat makes his Canadian jokes Dec 18 01:41:04 those buildings are massive too Dec 18 01:41:09 all concrete Dec 18 01:41:14 hmmmm ICBM? :) Dec 18 01:41:19 with a 20 foot fence Dec 18 01:41:19 hurricane-proof Dec 18 01:41:57 sounds legit Dec 18 01:42:31 yea you should see if your from ground level, i've never seen a weather station that looks like that... Dec 18 01:43:00 * mranostay sees prpplague with a bottle of rum scaling the fence Dec 18 01:43:05 hehe Dec 18 01:43:14 mranostay: more than once Dec 18 01:43:20 mranostay: it's pretty spooky Dec 18 01:43:45 but it would be an awesome coding empire! Dec 18 01:43:56 indeed Dec 18 01:44:13 what are taxes like in Barbados? Dec 18 01:44:16 Imagine buying something like this: http://www.jamesburgdish.org/ Dec 18 01:44:45 mranostay: very little property taxes and basically no income tax, but there is 20% vat on everything Dec 18 01:44:52 wmat: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=bridgetown,+barbados&hl=en&ll=13.188902,-59.493558&spn=0.004043,0.008256&sll=31.168934,-100.076842&sspn=14.527443,33.815918&hnear=Bridgetown,+St+Michael,+Barbados&t=h&z=18 Dec 18 01:45:06 wmat: my father-in-laws banana fields Dec 18 01:45:31 prpplague: i assume for tourism Dec 18 01:45:46 since how many jobs outside of tourism can be on the island? Dec 18 01:46:07 prpplague: cool, free food Dec 18 01:46:09 mranostay: banking, sugar cane-> sugar/rum, call centers Dec 18 01:46:22 and banks Dec 18 01:46:28 oh, you said that Dec 18 01:46:31 :) Dec 18 01:46:36 ah offshore stuff Dec 18 01:46:47 mranostay: yea that is kinda in the banking Dec 18 01:46:50 all the Canadian banks operate there Dec 18 01:46:55 wmat: indeed Dec 18 01:47:28 http://www.pwc.com/us/en/index.jhtml Dec 18 01:47:35 has a major presence there Dec 18 01:47:42 i go with Belize with all my money laundering need Dec 18 01:47:44 *needs Dec 18 01:48:40 hehe Dec 18 01:49:08 mranostay: most of the local IT is all run by american nerds who go down on a 3 or 6 month contract and end up marrying a local Dec 18 01:49:22 * prpplague is guilty Dec 18 01:49:28 ah i was about to ask :) Dec 18 01:50:08 mranostay: hehe i can still set you up with one of my wife's 10^1000000 cousins Dec 18 01:50:16 mranostay: hehe Dec 18 01:50:24 that's a lot of people for such a small island. Dec 18 01:50:33 yeah it may tip over Dec 18 01:50:36 emeb: and all female, hehe Dec 18 01:50:42 or was that Guam? Dec 18 01:50:44 emeb: 8 out of every 10 births are female Dec 18 01:51:08 whoa - they got some strong X chromosomes there. Dec 18 01:52:31 must be the best place to be going to HS as a guy :) Dec 18 01:52:52 tip over... wasn't that a senator that asked a general that during a senate hearing? Dec 18 01:52:58 thurbad: yes Dec 18 01:53:13 i was hoping someone would catch that reference Dec 18 01:54:09 how the responder kept a straight face.. I'll never know Dec 18 01:54:32 I think Generals probably have some tact to get to that level Dec 18 01:58:38 that's a little more than some Dec 18 02:00:00 thurbad: "i'm check and get back to you on that" :P Dec 18 02:02:30 prpplague: i noticed the degree-less count in this channel is bit higher than average for tech Dec 18 02:03:17 hehe, how do you check that? Dec 18 02:03:17 mranostay: hehe probably not, just that more are outspoken about it Dec 18 02:03:38 ah that too. trolls are known to be direct :P Dec 18 02:06:20 prpplague: so we getting a troll sponsorship for ELC? :P Dec 18 02:11:57 working on it Dec 18 02:13:29 mranostay: still think we should have ELC-C Dec 18 02:13:58 nobody is getting their company to pay for that :) Dec 18 02:13:59 mranostay: bringing embedded linux to struggling islands like barbados Dec 18 02:14:32 although i had to pay for ELC-E so wouldn't be much different Dec 18 02:14:43 "what? you refuse to pay for my ELC-C expenses? you must hate struggling third world countries...." Dec 18 02:15:06 sell it as a Peace Corps like event Dec 18 02:15:12 prpplague : sorry to hear about stupid policy. OTOH I hope you'll find another, better, opportunity with less stupid policy. Dec 18 02:15:51 prpplague: which would work till the first employer sees us tagged in a photo on the beach with a beer :) Dec 18 02:16:04 CareBear\: hehe no worries, my boss lady cheered me up and purchased a nice 6 pack of belgian style abbey ale.... who needs panasonic... Dec 18 02:16:18 hmm good idea Dec 18 02:16:26 hehe Dec 18 02:16:35 * mranostay plans to get his PRU code done tonight Dec 18 02:16:54 any woman that can call you by your IRC nick and not snicker is a keeper imho Dec 18 02:17:20 absolutely Dec 18 02:17:23 any woman that accepts your irc usage is a keeper Dec 18 02:17:38 unfortunately, my wife wouldn't know what irc is Dec 18 02:17:45 she accepts my usage though ;) Dec 18 02:17:51 hehe Dec 18 02:18:05 wmat: unforturately? Dec 18 02:18:29 well, she's a keeper, but doesn't know what irc is Dec 18 02:18:49 mranostay : "accept" ? Dec 18 02:19:09 CareBear\: ok tolerates Dec 18 02:19:19 I disagree with these words Dec 18 02:19:47 i simply know when to go idle ;) Dec 18 02:19:53 I expect all my peers to *understand* chatting Dec 18 02:19:55 male or female Dec 18 02:20:05 how about trolling? Dec 18 02:20:10 hehe Dec 18 02:20:45 trolling is fabulous for anyone with the slightest inclination towards psychology Dec 18 02:20:57 i remember my mom saying i wouldn't have many friends with this personality :) Dec 18 02:21:08 mranostay: hehe Dec 18 02:21:18 proven her right? Dec 18 02:21:22 mranostay : so you decided to prove.. Dec 18 02:21:25 ds2 beat me to it Dec 18 02:21:29 ouch :) Dec 18 02:21:42 mranostay: seriously, i gotta set you up with a holiday in barbados Dec 18 02:21:57 heh Dec 18 02:26:30 time to head out Dec 18 02:27:33 laters have some good beer Dec 18 02:33:21 yum Dec 18 02:35:07 mmm... beer. Dec 18 02:35:42 * emeb was somewhat saddened but not surprised to see that Blue Moon is owned by Miller. Dec 18 02:38:17 lol Dec 18 02:39:41 and Shock-Top is owned by InBev/AnheuserBusch Dec 18 02:42:59 hehe shock-top and blue moon are the raspberry Pi's of the beer world Dec 18 02:43:11 hee hee. Dec 18 02:43:30 I'll take them over a Bud Lite any day. Dec 18 02:44:10 Took the mother-in-law out for dinner a few weeks ago and she asked for a beer recommendation. Dec 18 02:45:17 I was having a Hoegaarden white and so did she. Liked it too - commented on it a few days later. Dec 18 02:45:27 emeb: nice Dec 18 02:45:33 Aaaand now I see that Hoegaarden is also owned by InBev. Dec 18 02:45:55 emeb: amazing that you could actually order a hoegaarden Dec 18 02:46:17 emeb: wow i did not know that Dec 18 02:46:29 This is a pretty unique restaurant: http://www.cornishpastyco.com/ Dec 18 02:48:00 they've got some good beers: http://www.cornishpastyco.com/menu/beer/index.html Dec 18 02:56:15 emeb: interesting Dec 18 02:57:35 prpplague: so did you see Hobbit in 3D/48fps? Dec 18 02:58:15 emeb: no just the 3d, the movie tavern i go to did not have the 48fps, and having beer outweights driving to see 48fps Dec 18 02:58:32 no contest Dec 18 02:58:53 http://movietavern.com/ Dec 18 02:58:57 I'd like to do the full-on but can't find anyone else who wants to. Dec 18 02:59:26 I've read a lot of online comments about the 48fps and can't really see why it's a problem. Dec 18 02:59:41 It's still less FPS than we watch TV at Dec 18 02:59:46 yep **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 18 02:59:58 2012