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Dec 18 03:00:05 <emeb> some folks think the lower frame rate gives a more film-like feel.
Dec 18 03:00:06 <alan_o> why is "movie" all the sudden wrong or fake looking if it's more than 24. I just don't get it.
Dec 18 03:00:11 <alan_o> sure it does
Dec 18 03:00:28 <alan_o> because theyve #defined fim to mean slow frame rate :)
Dec 18 03:00:33 <alan_o> film
Dec 18 03:00:50 <emeb> "I like grainy images and jerky motion"
Dec 18 03:01:02 <alan_o> yeah
Dec 18 03:01:23 <prpplague> because michael bay needs more film to make things explode
Dec 18 03:01:32 <alan_o> and I'd get the "it's what you're used to" argument, if TV were the same way. I think most people see more hours of TV than movies (cue the people who are itching to say that they don't watch TV)
Dec 18 03:01:37 <emeb> I understand that Cameron is going to do the next Avatar in 60fps.
Dec 18 03:02:15 <ds2> I VFPS
Dec 18 03:02:19 <ds2> I want VFPS
Dec 18 03:02:22 <emeb> one argument I heard that did kinda make sense: Soap operas are done in 60fps video and have a certain cheezy feel to them
Dec 18 03:02:46 <emeb> so anything that makes a movie look like a soap opera = bad.
Dec 18 03:02:48 <alan_o> I read one guy say that the movie industry doesn't want people used to higher frame rates because it invalidates all the older movies (ie: people won't buy DVDs etc).
Dec 18 03:02:56 <emeb> BS
Dec 18 03:03:13 <alan_o> really/
Dec 18 03:03:15 <alan_o> ?
Dec 18 03:03:23 <alan_o> I can kind of see it. "I can't watch old stuff... too jerky"
Dec 18 03:03:39 <alan_o> I dunno. How many DVDs of old movies get sold compared to new.
Dec 18 03:03:44 <alan_o> probably much less.
Dec 18 03:03:47 <emeb> That gives the movie industry an excuse to remaster everything with higher rates and sell them to you again.
Dec 18 03:04:08 <alan_o> and that's exactly what another commenter said. Although It's hard to make more frames, but they do manage to do it.
Dec 18 03:04:22 <emeb> Interpolation isn't too tough
Dec 18 03:04:36 <alan_o> so the soap opera thing.. is it the 60 Hz that makes soap operas look cheezy, or some other effects/lighting, etc?
Dec 18 03:04:46 <alan_o> I've heard the 60Hz thing before
Dec 18 03:04:54 <alan_o> not sure I believe it's the whole story
Dec 18 03:05:06 <alan_o> I have seen some TV's that seem to make everything look weird like a soap opera
Dec 18 03:05:08 <emeb> well I'll give you that the lighting and color gamut of soap operas was always "off"
Dec 18 03:05:21 <emeb> everything was top-lit and kinda washed-out.
Dec 18 03:05:27 <thurbad> I've heard for effective 3d you really need 120fps
Dec 18 03:05:50 <thurbad> 60 is based on the nyquist frequency
Dec 18 03:06:09 <emeb> buh-whut?
Dec 18 03:06:13 <alan_o> I thought it was based on 60Hz power in the US, which is why in the UK they have 50Hz TV
Dec 18 03:06:30 <alan_o> easier to make old CRTs, etc.
Dec 18 03:06:31 <emeb> yep except now NTSC frame-rate is 59.95Hz
Dec 18 03:06:37 <ds2> actually, US NTSC is not 60Hz
Dec 18 03:06:39 <emeb> so you still get a cycle-crawl.
Dec 18 03:06:49 <ds2> it is 59ish to make it a multiple of colorburst
Dec 18 03:07:02 <ds2> value was choosen to make the old power line locked B&W sets work
Dec 18 03:07:50 <emeb> or if you've got hum in your RF section you'll see a beat frequency crawling across the image top->bottom.
Dec 18 03:37:49 <mranostay> beer!
Dec 18 03:41:11 <emeb> beer!
Dec 18 04:35:02 <CareBear\> I'd like a snack
Dec 18 04:35:08 <CareBear\> it's about time for breakfast
Dec 18 04:35:25 <CareBear\> a bagle would be nice
Dec 18 04:35:30 <CareBear\> maybe grilled
Dec 18 04:35:39 <CareBear\> some kind of cheesy bits inside
Dec 18 04:35:52 <thurbad> meh.. bedtime more like
Dec 18 04:40:06 <sh1v> sup hackers
Dec 18 04:43:46 <sh1v> Quick question-- how do I go about pulling the kernel headers for an older version of the kernel? Trying to compile a driver for a box that is running an old version.
Dec 18 04:45:20 <thurbad> go to kernel.org and look for the version you want
Dec 18 04:46:19 <thurbad> ... unless it's something like ubuntu
Dec 18 04:46:44 <sh1v> its ubuntu D:
Dec 18 04:47:13 <ds2> you go and find your distriptor and take them up on the written offer for the exact source
Dec 18 04:47:19 <ds2> distributor
Dec 18 04:47:23 <sh1v> I'm looking for 3.2.18-psp14
Dec 18 04:49:10 <sh1v> Not sure what you mean, ds2
Dec 18 04:53:05 <_av500_> CareBear\: grilled beagle?
Dec 18 04:53:39 <_av500_> mranostay: beer!
Dec 18 05:01:32 <ds2> too much bones
Dec 18 05:04:56 <CareBear\> _av500_ : prefer bagle :)
Dec 18 05:05:06 <CareBear\> much more tasty
Dec 18 05:06:36 <alan_o> CareBear\: So we've got these cranberry bagels now. They're awesome. Christmas only :(
Dec 18 05:06:53 <alan_o> CareBear\: and last week, my toaster crapped out :(
Dec 18 05:07:17 <ds2> alan_o: no spare x86 boards?
Dec 18 05:08:03 <alan_o> ds2: hehe.... not quite hot enough I think. It's a toaster oven. The bottom elements still work, but the top ones won't come on. I lowered the rack and put the bagels face down. Still not quite hot enough.
Dec 18 05:08:24 <ds2> just go multicore
Dec 18 05:08:50 <alan_o> It would be nice if I could divert some of the heat off my PC to my tea mug or something
Dec 18 05:09:10 <emeb_mac> didn't you hear the news? the new Atom is lower power and faster than ARM. We'll all be converting soon.
Dec 18 05:09:33 <alan_o> my 8051's don't heat up at all
Dec 18 05:09:52 <alan_o> emeb_mac: Do you think that's coming one day?
Dec 18 05:10:39 <alan_o> I don't know enough to say yes or no, but it seems like Intel has gotten good at coming back from being beaten. I thought they were done with the Athlon64 stuff was so good, and lower power and cheaper.
Dec 18 05:10:47 <emeb_mac> alan_o: https://semiaccurate.com/2012/12/17/atom-versus-tegra-3-in-windows-8-tablets/#.UM_6zXPjnmY
Dec 18 05:11:23 <emeb_mac> (via _av500_ this morning)
Dec 18 05:11:32 <alan_o> So at ELC SF in Feb, Arnd Bergmann said it has nothing to do with the instruction set.
Dec 18 05:11:48 <alan_o> but it has to do with ARM's controls for turning large portions of the chip off when not needed.
Dec 18 05:12:40 <alan_o> (that wasn't in his presentation, just in conversation).
Dec 18 05:13:40 * alan_o is still waiting for his MIPS fone
Dec 18 05:16:28 <CareBear\> alan_o : cranberry? that sounds great!
Dec 18 07:49:01 <Cykon> Bleh, anyone have any idea if this will work for the beagleboard classic?
Dec 18 07:49:02 <Cykon> http://www.frys.com/product/257237#detailed
Dec 18 08:03:14 <Russ> Cykon, the page doesn't seem to have the necessary detail
Dec 18 08:04:28 <Russ> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#RS-232
Dec 18 08:08:29 <Cykon> Yeah I know :(, I guess i'll just grab one off of digikey
Dec 18 08:08:35 <Cykon> though they're kinda expensive
Dec 18 08:12:03 <Cykon> or maybe special computing... but both of those websites seem kind of shady... even though people recommend them so much
Dec 18 08:20:54 <Russ> special computing and digikey aren't shady
Dec 18 08:22:30 <Cykon> =/ Yeah, I just don't feel comfortable ordering online from them
Dec 18 08:23:10 <Russ> if it makes you feel any better, they've been part of the beagle ecosystem for many years
Dec 18 08:23:44 <Cykon> Yeah I know =/
Dec 18 08:36:21 <Cykon> I'm trying to follow the guide to get my bb classic up and running from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
Dec 18 08:36:32 <Cykon> But under http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ there's no u-boot.bin
Dec 18 08:36:34 <Cykon> @_@
Dec 18 08:53:53 <axMountain> Cykon: have you looked for u-boot.bin inside the compressed files or img?
Dec 18 10:12:45 <mranostay> woot pruss stuff working
Dec 18 10:12:51 <mranostay> and i should be sleeping
Dec 18 13:24:05 <jkridner_> mranostay: I was getting complaints of trolls/spammers
Dec 18 13:24:19 <jkridner_> anyone here use libcomposite?
Dec 18 13:24:56 <thurbad> trolls is nothing new :)
Dec 18 13:51:40 <Crofton|work> jkridner_, I think there was a boruing rtoll yesterday
Dec 18 13:51:52 <Crofton|work> he was trolling other channels also
Dec 18 14:01:26 <jkridner_> koen: are you joining our call?
Dec 18 14:01:52 <koen> jkridner_: already in
Dec 18 14:02:33 <av500> there was a call?
Dec 18 14:02:44 <koen> direct trolling
Dec 18 14:03:18 * av500 feels left out
Dec 18 14:06:57 * mdp feels bad not getting to troll on that call
Dec 18 14:40:45 <av500> mdp: lets feel bad together
Dec 18 14:41:14 <mdp> I'm over it, had a much more important vip meeting to feel important at ;)
Dec 18 14:41:22 <mdp> not really, but we'll pretend
Dec 18 15:00:30 <DaveB_> Hello?
Dec 18 15:06:29 <DaveB_> OK, I have a C1 Rev of the XM beagleboard. Powered it up yesterday and it came to life. added apache2 to it and was able to see the It works webpage. I then accedently bumped the SD card and now the board is dead. all nI can get from the serial port is a "60" with a bell when I turn the power on. LED D5 is on LED D13 and D14 flash momentarily when power is turned on. I tried reformatting the SD card and placed the 8 files in the order 
Dec 18 15:07:59 <DaveB_> On the serial port. finally I tried powering up the unit with no SD card and got the same 60. I am at a loss as what to do next. any thoughts would be appreciated.
Dec 18 15:09:40 <panto> DaveB_, if you've bumped the SD slot then it can't load anything from it
Dec 18 15:09:53 <panto> neither the first stage loader neither u-boot, not linux
Dec 18 15:10:29 <panto> I think the board can be booted over uart but it is going to be very painful
Dec 18 15:13:48 <DaveB_> I had turned the power off and reinstalled the SD card with the new code on it.
Dec 18 15:14:20 <DaveB_> Right now I can't get the board to respond at all thru the serial port.
Dec 18 15:15:33 <DaveB_> I would like to try and boot from the serial port. can you point me to any documentation as how to do it?
Dec 18 15:16:59 <panto> ugh, got to hunt for it, just a sec
Dec 18 15:18:20 <DaveB_> panto, have you ever seen this problem before; "bumping the SD card and having the Beagleboard die"?
Dec 18 15:18:56 <panto> what would you expect if you bumped the hard drive + the bios flash chip on your PC?
Dec 18 15:19:28 <panto> the board boots from it, make a contact loose and it's over
Dec 18 15:20:22 <DaveB_> That is true but, When I reinstalled shouldent it have come back?
Dec 18 15:21:12 <panto> you probably busted the connector
Dec 18 15:21:32 <panto> nothing you do to the SD card matters if that happened
Dec 18 15:22:19 <panto> DaveB_, the most relevant thing I've found is: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_U-Boot_User%27s_Guide
Dec 18 15:22:28 <DaveB_> Possible but, I looked at it under a scope and it looks OK to me. the mechanism is still clicking properly.
Dec 18 15:22:33 <panto> maybe it works, maybe it doesn't
Dec 18 15:22:58 <DaveB_> Thanks panto, I will give it a try
Dec 18 15:23:22 <panto> as a rule of thumb, when the rom loader is working you should see a stream of 'CCCC' in the console
Dec 18 15:23:38 <panto> good luck! you're going to need it :)
Dec 18 15:26:13 <DaveB_> I saw in the SDR that a 60 means that the processor is booting. do you think it is waiting for some kind of boot image from the serial port?
Dec 18 15:27:17 * mdp waits for panto to close the ticket
Dec 18 15:27:44 <panto> I'm not absolutely sure, but if there's no SD medium to boot from serial or uart
Dec 18 15:27:57 <panto> *it will try to boot
Dec 18 15:29:36 <DaveB_> I started to read the information on the link you sent and it talks about a MLO file that must be generated. I have that file already. does it contain S Records or intel hex?
Dec 18 15:34:04 <mranostay> morning
Dec 18 15:35:16 <mranostay> emeb: FPGA-dude!
Dec 18 15:35:31 <emeb> mranostay: geiger-dude!
Dec 18 15:36:34 * mdp maintains a safe distance from mranostay
Dec 18 15:37:17 <emeb> safe distance from a radiation _detector_ should be fairly small...
Dec 18 15:38:08 <mdp> I definitely meant "from mranostay" ;)
Dec 18 15:38:49 <emeb> that is, of course, another story.
Dec 18 15:41:08 <av500> yes
Dec 18 15:41:14 <KotH> mdp: as soon as he builds a nuclear warhead, there will be no safe distance ;)
Dec 18 16:27:34 <alan_o> I love messing with Linkedin recruiters. They all think they're so clever
Dec 18 16:29:56 <mranostay> alan_o: my favorite is the ones that clearly didn't read my profile
Dec 18 16:30:13 <alan_o> mranostay: yeah, offering .NET web dev jobs
Dec 18 16:30:21 <mranostay> yeah i love the .NET ones
Dec 18 16:30:28 <alan_o> I like to respond to most with "you forgot to put the rate"
Dec 18 16:31:13 <alan_o> Then rudely reply "far too low" when they come back with an insulting rate.
Dec 18 16:34:51 <av500> why the heck to I have a pogoplug account already???
Dec 18 16:34:55 <av500> do I*
Dec 18 16:40:47 <frodosDog> are there angstrom drivers for Belkin N300 ( F9l1002v1) wifi dongle? wifi dongles in general?
Dec 18 16:41:11 <frodosDog> what is the standard procedure for those?
Dec 18 16:42:26 <koen> frodosDog: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
Dec 18 16:42:44 <frodosDog> hey thanks Koen!!
Dec 18 16:43:57 <av500> now my 8GB usb stick is in the cloud
Dec 18 16:44:00 <av500> I am so proud
Dec 18 16:45:12 <mranostay> av500: weirdo :)
Dec 18 16:46:39 <frodosDog> cute! I'll remember that but I've spent a couple hours fiddling with it on my own before I found out that you can only hook it up through the OTG port hehe
Dec 18 16:47:03 * mranostay grabs for a drink
Dec 18 16:48:56 <__av500__> arf
Dec 18 16:49:11 <mranostay> double the weirdo
Dec 18 16:53:22 <frodosDog> mranostay:: may i suggets a pumkin Farm house ale or nice Saison?
Dec 18 16:53:47 <frodosDog> or suggest
Dec 18 16:55:29 <mranostay> too early here
Dec 18 16:56:34 <frodosDog> yep here too
Dec 18 16:57:57 <mdp> I'm ready
Dec 18 17:08:01 <prpplague> a gentle reminder that the Call For Participation for the Embedded Linux Conference deadline for submissions is Jan 4th! get your presenation proposals submitted soon! http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/cfp
Dec 18 17:38:59 <j105rob> anyone use SPI and beaglebone for talking to a LCD? specifically the nokia 6610 lcd?
Dec 18 17:39:33 <j105rob> Is anyone doing the above in node.js with bonescript?
Dec 18 17:42:25 <av500> ij he is, he would be a rockstar
Dec 18 17:42:27 <av500> if
Dec 18 17:43:13 <mranostay> prpplague: yes mom :)
Dec 18 17:43:16 * mranostay ducks
Dec 18 17:43:59 <prpplague> mranostay: that's Mr.Mom to you
Dec 18 17:44:01 <mranostay> alan_o: now PRUSS + nodejs would be rockstar
Dec 18 17:44:28 <prpplague> alan_o: you submitting something for elc?
Dec 18 17:44:34 <mranostay> er av500
Dec 18 17:44:35 <alan_o> mranostay: hehe, that's the interface I'm waiting for
Dec 18 17:44:42 <mdp> nodejs -> virtio -> pruss == groupies
Dec 18 17:44:44 <alan_o> prpplague: oh yeah...
Dec 18 17:44:59 <alan_o> prpplague: but I've got _plenty_ of time :)
Dec 18 17:45:10 <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
Dec 18 17:45:20 <alan_o> So prpplague, is the number of submissions behind the curve so far?
Dec 18 17:45:30 <mranostay> alan_o: you were that kid working on the homework 10 minutes before class weren't you? :)
Dec 18 17:45:44 <alan_o> sometimes during class.
Dec 18 17:45:57 <prpplague> alan_o: it's about normal for this far out, everyone seems to submit in the last 5 or 6 days
Dec 18 17:46:04 <av500> I once made up homework while being asked to read it
Dec 18 17:46:09 <mranostay> always love the ones it was 5% of your grade but if you didn't do it they would take more :)
Dec 18 17:46:35 <mranostay> so you just have to BS it somewhat convincingly :)
Dec 18 17:46:42 <alan_o> mranostay: that's horrible! I never had one of those, but yeah, I can see people doing the math, "this won't affect my letter grade at all!"
Dec 18 17:47:07 * prpplague never did his homework
Dec 18 17:47:10 <mdp> prpplague: it's like a merge window
Dec 18 17:47:15 <prpplague> always passed the class with test scores
Dec 18 17:47:26 <av500> we had to do homework
Dec 18 17:47:36 <alan_o> prpplague: they made that hard to do for us. Don't think you could pass without it
Dec 18 17:47:45 <alan_o> 40% of your grade for most math classes iirc
Dec 18 17:47:54 <mranostay> i hate class attendance points as well
Dec 18 17:47:54 <alan_o> or 30
Dec 18 17:47:56 <prpplague> alan_o: ahh
Dec 18 17:48:08 <alan_o> but... in most math classes it was just an "effort grade"
Dec 18 17:48:24 <alan_o> didn't get graded, so all you had to do was put down some BS and then "I couldn't get the answer" for the rest
Dec 18 17:48:39 <prpplague> we always had something like 60% final exam, 20% tests, 20% homework
Dec 18 17:48:45 <alan_o> occasionally they'd collect one and check it closely, then you'd get busted :)
Dec 18 17:49:03 <alan_o> oh yeah, they'd _never_ be allowed to put that much on a final exam
Dec 18 17:49:09 <alan_o> not in my district
Dec 18 17:49:20 <alan_o> I think it was max 10 or maybe 15%
Dec 18 17:49:28 <alan_o> We're talking high school here.
Dec 18 17:49:49 <av500> alan_o: "school"
Dec 18 17:49:53 <av500> please
Dec 18 17:50:06 <mranostay> heh
Dec 18 17:50:07 <alan_o> av500: well, as opposed to university
Dec 18 17:50:18 <alan_o> university professors can do whatever they want.
Dec 18 17:50:25 <mranostay> oh yeah and do :)
Dec 18 17:50:55 <alan_o> I think I had some 40% finals. No more than that.
Dec 18 17:51:29 <alan_o> One had a condition that if you didn't pass the cumulative final, you couldn't pass.
Dec 18 17:52:33 <mdp> alan_o, _evil_ university professors ... fixed that for you
Dec 18 17:52:54 <alan_o> hehe, that's the kind of professor I'd be
Dec 18 17:53:05 <mranostay> troll professors are the worse
Dec 18 17:53:08 <av500> we had a prof that would not let you pass an exam unless you passed one of the 3 subparts
Dec 18 17:53:12 <alan_o> man, I think it'd be fun though, making kids learn.
Dec 18 17:53:21 <av500> he argued that in real life you dont need to be good at everything
Dec 18 17:53:24 <mranostay> learn to want to kill you you mean
Dec 18 17:53:26 <av500> but at one thing at least
Dec 18 17:53:54 <alan_o> av500: like zelda, get all the tri-force pieces?
Dec 18 17:54:14 <av500> one subpart to pass, all parts for a good grade
Dec 18 17:54:29 <av500> made sense to me
Dec 18 17:55:27 <alan_o> seems not terrible. Over here, "pass" is not good enough. getting a D grade is highly frowned upon. In CS D's didn't count. Other majors allowed one or two D's total.
Dec 18 17:55:30 <av500> later as a TA, we had a SW to traffic shape exam results :)
Dec 18 17:55:55 <av500> we could move the cutoff over the bell curve and see how many made it
Dec 18 17:55:55 <DaveB_> Does anone know how to force the beagleboard xm in to serial bootloader mode "CCCC" on the serial port? All I can seem to get out of the port is "60"
Dec 18 17:56:01 <av500> 60 is fine
Dec 18 17:56:41 <mranostay> av500: D's on general eds do!
Dec 18 17:58:47 <alan_o> bell curves are stupid. There's no reason some percentage should have to fail.
Dec 18 17:59:11 <alan_o> maybe in undergrad classes with lots of slackers, it doesn't make much difference
Dec 18 17:59:19 <alan_o> but in higher level stuff where everyone is good?
Dec 18 17:59:24 <av500> alan_o: lol
Dec 18 17:59:48 * av500 shepherded a lot of "non-good" people thru higher years
Dec 18 18:00:07 <av500> my prof used to say, there is a need for sales people too :)
Dec 18 18:00:11 <alan_o> I'm not saying "everyone's a winner" or anything like that. But if everyone _does_ do good work, then they should all pass. Maybe that just never happens in real life though.
Dec 18 18:00:18 <fewe> Hi everyone.
Dec 18 18:00:24 <av500> alan_o: oh, the good ones did pass
Dec 18 18:00:26 <alan_o> av500: no doubt, but what about in grad school?
Dec 18 18:00:39 <alan_o> I guess in grad school they don't really bell
Dec 18 18:00:46 <av500> alan_o: it was more, lets put the cutoff at a point where nobody can argue his was into passing
Dec 18 18:00:53 <alan_o> ah
Dec 18 18:01:02 <av500> because he misses only 0.5 points or so :)
Dec 18 18:01:29 <fewe> I am trying to enable the uart2 on beagleboard xm rev C. I am using robert nelson stable kernel with a RTS/CTS fix to enable hardware handshaking.
Dec 18 18:01:50 <fewe> Seems to me that the beagleboard specs are out of date
Dec 18 18:02:29 <fewe> can someone confirm that the pins listed on the xmSRM (Expansion Connector Signals) are wrong?
Dec 18 18:02:41 <av500> why should they be wrong?
Dec 18 18:02:48 <fewe> I am unable to match the informations provided in the spec with the TI TRM
Dec 18 18:07:30 <fewe> I don't pretend to understand it all
Dec 18 18:07:56 <fewe> but there seems to be some mistakes, either on the 4000 pages of TI or the beagle SRM
Dec 18 18:08:17 * mranostay pokes jkridner_ 
Dec 18 18:08:25 <jkridner_> ?
Dec 18 18:08:39 <jkridner_> wrong?
Dec 18 18:08:56 <fewe> For instance I found that the rx pin should be connected to GPIO 147 and the specs says it's connected to gpio 143
Dec 18 18:08:57 <mranostay> geez
Dec 18 18:09:38 <mranostay> jkridner_: thought you like to see my PRUSS stuff :)
Dec 18 18:10:15 <av500> woot: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/12/18/rhombus-tech-eoma-68-cpu-card-prototype/
Dec 18 18:10:19 <av500> finally
Dec 18 18:10:25 <av500> the $EVERYTHING killer
Dec 18 18:11:02 <fewe> I also found that with a working serial port (rx/tx) I get the following output
Dec 18 18:11:08 <fewe> name: uart2_rx.gpio_147 (0x4800217a/0x14a = 0x0104), b ad25, t NA
Dec 18 18:11:08 <fewe> mode: OMAP_PIN_INPUT | OMAP_MUX_MODE4
Dec 18 18:11:08 <fewe> signals: uart2_rx | mcbsp3_fsx | gpt8_pwm_evt | NA | gpio_147 | NA | NA | safe_mode
Dec 18 18:11:31 <fewe> on cat /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/uart2_rx
Dec 18 18:11:51 <fewe> but the specs says that the mode should be 1 and not 4
Dec 18 18:13:02 <fewe> I am assuming that if the modes are not correct, the signal won't be handled by the proper hardware on the proc side.
Dec 18 18:14:23 <koen> OMG
Dec 18 18:14:29 <koen> LED support fot CAN bus
Dec 18 18:15:29 <mranostay> koen: what is with all the ops!? :)
Dec 18 18:16:46 <fewe> av500: do you agree?
Dec 18 18:18:23 <av500> mranostay: can I kick you now?
Dec 18 18:18:25 <mdp> mranostay, they are about to start banning people for talking bad about beagle*
Dec 18 18:18:32 <av500> +1
Dec 18 18:18:47 <mdp> don't mention the sgx binary blob or ...
Dec 18 18:18:56 <av500>  /kick mdp
Dec 18 18:18:58 <av500> oops
Dec 18 18:19:03 <mdp> aieeeee
Dec 18 18:19:39 <panto> oh, btw, I've tried to compile the latest SGX drop against a 3.7ish kernel
Dec 18 18:19:47 <panto> after fixing the various compilation problems
Dec 18 18:19:50 <panto> ....
Dec 18 18:19:53 <panto> crash
Dec 18 18:20:02 * mranostay gives a hug to panto 
Dec 18 18:20:09 <panto> thanks
Dec 18 18:20:13 <panto> I really didn't need that
Dec 18 18:20:20 <panto> now I'll be creeped out all night
Dec 18 18:20:31 <mranostay> everyone needs a hug
Dec 18 18:20:38 <mranostay> the world would be a better place
Dec 18 18:20:47 <av500> better than crepped out
Dec 18 18:21:13 <mranostay> mmm crepes
Dec 18 18:21:42 <koen> panto: on bone or lt?
Dec 18 18:21:49 <koen> panto: lt might have the wrong efuses
Dec 18 18:22:05 <panto> on bone vanilla
Dec 18 18:22:13 <panto> I could've screwed up someplace
Dec 18 18:22:31 <panto> looking at that code makes da8xx look nice and clean
Dec 18 18:23:50 <DaveB_>                     panto: I still can not get the "CCC" prompt on the serial port only "60" any thoughts on how to coax this thing to talk?
Dec 18 18:24:06 <Marc_> Hello, I have a technical question about the BeagleBoard-xM. What would be the overhead involved with adding a second uSD card/card read to the expansion port?
Dec 18 18:24:18 <panto> I think 60 is the same as CC on the xm
Dec 18 18:24:37 <panto> can you use x-modem to send u-boot.spl ?
Dec 18 18:25:02 <DaveB_> OH  , then may be my MLO file is hosed?
Dec 18 18:25:47 * bradfa goes and buys a Rasp Pi, just to show those ops!
Dec 18 18:25:57 <DaveB_> I will try
Dec 18 18:26:03 <panto> if you don't have an MMC with an MLO yes
Dec 18 18:26:19 <bradfa> Marc_, are the pins all in the expansion connector? if so, overhead would be someone designing a board to do it
Dec 18 18:27:00 <bradfa> and maybe some level shifting (me thinks xM has 1.8 V i/o on expansion header... but that's from memory)
Dec 18 18:27:08 <mranostay> koen: kick that man --> bradfa  :)
Dec 18 18:27:19 <bradfa> av500, kick that man --> mranostay :)
Dec 18 18:27:24 <Marc_> bradfa, I believe so, but would there be any software overhead? Long term goal: I want to implement a RAID array on the BBxM.
Dec 18 18:27:31 <Marc_> And yes, the 1.8V i/o sounds correct.
Dec 18 18:27:36 <bradfa> Marc_, if you want a raid array, don't use SD cards :)
Dec 18 18:27:39 <DaveB_> panto: I have u-boot from the web site but it just sits thee when I try the transfer
Dec 18 18:27:54 <bradfa> software overhead would be setting up the second card in board file and setting the mux correctly
Dec 18 18:27:54 <DaveB_> u-boot.bin
Dec 18 18:27:55 <panto> you'll need to compile u-boot
Dec 18 18:28:01 <mranostay> bradfa: yeah it is 1.8v
Dec 18 18:28:04 <bradfa> or maybe doing some fun device tree pruning
Dec 18 18:28:07 <panto> and use the spl first stage loader
Dec 18 18:28:14 <panto> told you it's going to be a chore
Dec 18 18:28:34 <Marc_> bradfa, sounds complicated. I'm trying to get some sort of fault tolerant memory, and from memory, RAID is one of the most widespread methods
Dec 18 18:28:45 <jkridner_> mranostay: I'm missing it. did you make a blog post?
Dec 18 18:29:00 <bradfa> Marc_, buy yourself a real disk, SSD or spinning rust if you want fault tolerance
Dec 18 18:29:05 <bradfa> SD cards are cheap for a reason
Dec 18 18:29:12 <bradfa> I love'em though :)
Dec 18 18:29:40 <DaveB_> All I have is a windows machine. most of the links on the site you sujested were broken. I am kind of lost. I guess I will have to build a linux box.
Dec 18 18:30:01 <bradfa> Marc_, if you want a little ARM board with SATA, check out the imx53 loco
Dec 18 18:30:11 <bradfa> or qsb as it's called
Dec 18 18:30:21 * bradfa runs from ops for recommending yet another non-beagle
Dec 18 18:30:28 <Marc_> bradfa, any ideas?
Dec 18 18:30:40 <Marc_> (Sorry, didn't see that I hadn't scrolled down.)
Dec 18 18:31:19 <panto> DaveB_, no-one here would recommend doing linux development from a windows box
Dec 18 18:31:27 <panto> you could get by in a VM
Dec 18 18:32:11 <bradfa> panto, no one here would recommend USING a Windows box...
Dec 18 18:32:39 <thurbad> virtual box works, vmware player is a little better
Dec 18 18:32:44 <DaveB_> I know, I just wanted to see if this processor was going to work in this new project I have. This is my first time trying to use embedded linux.
Dec 18 18:32:49 <ths> Hello ! I'm trying to use Beagleboard, with debian ... and no video out (HDMI)
Dec 18 18:32:57 <panto> bradfa, I don't want to scare off the guy... :)
Dec 18 18:33:03 <ths> possible to log in SSH
Dec 18 18:33:18 <Marc_> bradfa, The board looks cool, I wish I could switch over, but I'm stuck with working with the BBxM
Dec 18 18:33:20 <DaveB_> I like the concept but the learning curve is steep from what I am used to.
Dec 18 18:33:28 <koen> heh, u-boot.bin, that's a blast from the past
Dec 18 18:33:31 <Marc_> I guess back to the drawing boards haha
Dec 18 18:33:38 <koen> 2008 called, they want their uboot back
Dec 18 18:33:39 <bradfa> Marc_, get yourself a USB hard disk
Dec 18 18:33:57 <ths> Is there any function to active HDMI out ?
Dec 18 18:34:05 <Marc_> I was thinking about that, but I'll be de-soldering the usb stacks and ethernet stacks for space constraints
Dec 18 18:34:10 <bradfa> Marc_, or a NAS
Dec 18 18:34:13 <mranostay> jkridner_: g+ post shared
Dec 18 18:34:20 <bradfa> Marc_, what's the usecase?
Dec 18 18:34:59 <thurbad> hfs.. can you pastebin your boot log?
Dec 18 18:35:17 <bradfa> thurbad, isn't that a mac filesystem?
Dec 18 18:35:58 <thurbad> errp yeah :) ths
Dec 18 18:36:19 <jkridner_> mranostay: just a video. any code?
Dec 18 18:36:26 <thurbad> not so freudian slip
Dec 18 18:36:34 <mranostay> jkridner_: there was another link :)
Dec 18 18:36:41 <mranostay> in that message
Dec 18 18:37:27 <ths> thurbad: what ?
Dec 18 18:37:30 <thurbad> ths depeding on your kernel arguments dss2 may fail to come alive,
Dec 18 18:37:39 <mdp> panto, sgx crashed?
Dec 18 18:37:46 <Marc_> bradfa, I'm implementing the BBxM with the MT9P031 CMOS sensor to collect images and data in an enclosure. The size constraints come from the cube it will be in and the environment will have some radiation presence, hence the need for some fault tolerance
Dec 18 18:37:47 <thurbad> ths: please pastebin your boot log
Dec 18 18:37:56 <panto> mdp, cute
Dec 18 18:38:09 <mranostay> jkridner_: https://github.com/mranostay/beagle-nixie
Dec 18 18:38:09 <Marc_> bradfa, sorry for being so vague, I'd hate to get into the whole back story haha
Dec 18 18:38:14 <ths> thurbad: beagle rebbot, just few second
Dec 18 18:38:16 <bradfa> Marc_, if you're writing to SD card often, you'll kill 'em'
Dec 18 18:38:28 <Marc_> kill 'em'?
Dec 18 18:38:35 <bradfa> flash only gets so many writes
Dec 18 18:38:43 <bradfa> cheap SD media gets less than expensive kinds of flash
Dec 18 18:38:46 <mranostay> Marc_: bad wear leveling on some cards
Dec 18 18:38:58 <bradfa> decent SSDs have nice wear leveling
Dec 18 18:39:06 <Marc_> I plan on using the Sandisk Extreme uSD cards
Dec 18 18:39:07 <ths> thurbad: i just do that: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Demo_Image
Dec 18 18:39:08 <bradfa> raw flash gets nice wear leveling from Linux
Dec 18 18:39:34 <bradfa> SD cards get what ever wear leveling the manufacturer decided to put in their very cost concious controller
Dec 18 18:39:49 <mdp> panto, you might need a "crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10, 251 Dec 18 13:42 /dev/am335x-mem" to make it run. :)
Dec 18 18:39:58 <bradfa> if you're doing anything more than writing logs once in a while, don't expect years of life from an SD card when used as a linux file system
Dec 18 18:40:18 <bradfa> ie: writing images/video/high freq logs won't give much life on SD
Dec 18 18:40:23 <Marc_> I plan to use it maybe a few times a week over the course of a year.
Dec 18 18:40:31 <bradfa> Marc_, ok, probably ok then
Dec 18 18:40:43 <mranostay> mdp: what drugs is Samsung engineering on?
Dec 18 18:40:43 <bradfa> or if you can, use a ramdisk (tmpfs) and offload the images to network
Dec 18 18:40:48 <Marc_> Just to log data and shut down
Dec 18 18:40:49 <bradfa> then no wear on flash
Dec 18 18:41:08 <Marc_> I'm worried about bit-flips from radiation dosages
Dec 18 18:41:10 <panto> mdp, I'm on it!
Dec 18 18:41:18 <bradfa> Marc_, so, you have radiation, a camera, only used a few times per year... sounds like a fun project :)
Dec 18 18:41:20 <panto> we can't have a security hole gap!
Dec 18 18:41:29 <jkridner_> mranostay: now in Boris Houndleroy feed.
Dec 18 18:41:31 <Marc_> In particular, I don't want the boot sector on the uSD to become corrupt
Dec 18 18:41:52 <Marc_> bradfa, Haha it is, I can fill you in on the details later if you want :)
Dec 18 18:42:19 <bradfa> oh hi, I got banned from rasppi channel... how'd that happen?
Dec 18 18:42:28 <mdp> mranostay, "They must be doing something right." --Linus.
Dec 18 18:42:30 <Marc_> bradfa, (brb)
Dec 18 18:43:05 <mranostay> bradfa: bring up the "open-sourced" GPU that controls everything?
Dec 18 18:43:17 <bradfa> oh, never mind spoke too soon, just they have some weird bot or something now
Dec 18 18:43:29 <bradfa> it rejected my auto login since it happened before I auth'ed to freenode...
Dec 18 18:43:31 <bradfa> or something
Dec 18 18:43:40 <jkridner_> mranostay: you should get on the Adafruit show-and-tell.
Dec 18 18:44:51 <ths> thurbad: ok for log, what do you want ?
Dec 18 18:45:24 <ths> bootstrap,Xorg ?
Dec 18 18:45:52 <thurbad> ths primarily the portion that shows your boot arguments first, but maybe other parts as well
Dec 18 18:46:15 <ths> but where ?
Dec 18 18:46:40 <thurbad> pastebin.com
Dec 18 18:46:55 <ths> bootstrap.log ?
Dec 18 18:47:21 <thurbad> the output of dmesg
Dec 18 18:48:53 <thurbad> or better yet the output from the serial port when it starts up
Dec 18 18:50:05 <ths> thurbad: this ?
Dec 18 18:50:08 <ths> http://pastebin.com/GRQ8kCtn
Dec 18 18:50:51 <thurbad> no
Dec 18 18:51:45 <ths> thurbad: http://pastebin.com/nVLVne3t
Dec 18 18:51:56 <ths> ok, DMSG
Dec 18 18:52:01 <ths> dmesg
Dec 18 18:52:04 <ths> ;-)
Dec 18 18:52:47 <thurbad> yeah
Dec 18 18:54:51 <bradfa> when's that eMMC cape going to be ready for sale?
Dec 18 18:55:53 <ths> thurbad Is it a big problem ?
Dec 18 18:55:58 <mranostay> will beta test for free samples :p
Dec 18 18:56:36 <bradfa> mranostay, that's what I wanted to say! :P
Dec 18 18:56:56 <bradfa> if you let me borrow yours I'll give it back after I thrash the emmc a bit
Dec 18 18:57:11 <thurbad> your boot argument looks ok
Dec 18 18:57:31 <mranostay> give back?
Dec 18 18:57:46 <ths> thurbad maybe it need to active DVI out ?
Dec 18 18:57:58 <bradfa> mranostay, it's called sharing, I'm trying to teach it to my 17 month old daugher. did you not learn that? :)
Dec 18 18:58:11 <thurbad> ths: what type of monitor are you using?
Dec 18 18:58:21 <mranostay> bradfa: bad people skills here
Dec 18 18:58:36 <ths> TV monitor
Dec 18 18:58:39 <bradfa> mranostay, that's why you're in the "trolling" g+ "community" :) (with me)
Dec 18 18:58:41 <ths> hdmi in
Dec 18 18:58:58 * bradfa forgets first rule of trolling
Dec 18 18:59:20 <ths> older installation  works. I scratch it for update ... and .. no image
Dec 18 18:59:23 <mdp> "Trolling is caring."
Dec 18 18:59:27 <ths> (sorry for my english)
Dec 18 18:59:37 <thurbad> ah, have you tried 720p rather that 1280x720MR-16@60
Dec 18 19:00:10 <bradfa> mdp, why no new corn based blog posts?
Dec 18 19:00:28 <ths> TV said NO SIGNAL ... where put this params ?
Dec 18 19:00:41 <bradfa> mdp, I recommend a variant of your bone rs232 adapted for rasp pi
Dec 18 19:00:42 <ths> thurbad: maybe XORG ?
Dec 18 19:01:31 <thurbad> in uEnv.txt on the boot sector of your card
Dec 18 19:02:45 <ths> dvimode is commented (#)
Dec 18 19:04:51 <ths> ok no image
Dec 18 19:06:48 <thurbad> do you know if you tv supports 720p mode?
Dec 18 19:07:02 <ths> yes it is
Dec 18 19:07:20 <ths> armkernel nand device found
Dec 18 19:07:32 <ths> in DMESG
Dec 18 19:08:09 <ths> i uncommented defaultdisplay, dvimode vram
Dec 18 19:08:18 <ths> it's ok ?
Dec 18 19:08:18 <mdp> bradfa, hehe...mostly because documentation takes time and is un-fun ;)
Dec 18 19:08:39 <bradfa> mdp, but EXACT STEPS!
Dec 18 19:09:07 <mdp> bradfa, indeed, exact steps are needed for all tasks
Dec 18 19:10:15 <ths> thurbad: is it possible the video out is SVIDEO ?
Dec 18 19:10:17 <woglinde> jo
Dec 18 19:10:52 <mdp> bradfa, I passed a commercial van yesterday with "EXACT" and "Process Solutions" and was nearly screaming at my personal assistant to get a photo of it. :)
Dec 18 19:10:58 <mdp> she failed me, though
Dec 18 19:11:06 <thurbad> based on your current kernel arguments, no
Dec 18 19:11:14 <thurbad> or do you mean can it be done?
Dec 18 19:11:23 <bradfa> mdp, personal assistant, do you have that now?
Dec 18 19:11:24 <_chase_> mdp: she would also probably be pissed if you called her your personal assistant :)
Dec 18 19:11:35 <mdp> _chase_, not to be repeated!
Dec 18 19:11:48 * bradfa runs to the corn to find mrs. mdp
Dec 18 19:12:07 <b01xy> ths https://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnostics
Dec 18 19:12:52 <mdp> bradfa, I'll probably have some more weird posts soon
Dec 18 19:13:21 <bradfa> mdp, we want rockets, with a beagle attached, running on corn!
Dec 18 19:13:36 <mdp> hehe
Dec 18 19:14:24 <mranostay> you forgot PRUSS
Dec 18 19:14:35 <mdp> will you accept a crossbow-wielding robot?
Dec 18 19:15:23 <ths> thank thurbad  continue tomorrow
Dec 18 19:15:37 <mranostay> hello voluntary manslaughter charge
Dec 18 19:15:37 <bradfa> mdp, I guess... :(
Dec 18 19:16:30 <mdp> mranostay, oh yeah, now PRUSS is the world to you :P
Dec 18 19:16:40 <bradfa> mdp, if you can destroy Rasp Pi with it, then yes!
Dec 18 19:16:56 <mdp> bradfa, that's trivial
Dec 18 19:17:16 <bradfa> and fire! I want fire!
Dec 18 19:17:33 * bradfa should get back to making dpkg do my bidding...
Dec 18 19:17:40 <mdp> no fire in my barn, please ;)
Dec 18 19:17:44 <mdp> I have doubt!
Dec 18 19:25:25 <alc> I looking for help on getting UART3 working. I am testing my connection by connecting ttyO0 to ttyO2 , and I am using minicom. when I type on on terminal I get a responce on the opposite. however I am alos getting random text being printed on a regual bases. the tes goes as follows"[33331.433135] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): ext4_da_writepages: jbd2_sta[33331.5444 33] EXT4-fs (mm" and repets ever second or so any thoughts
Dec 18 19:26:14 <alc> typo I don get a responce between the two terminal windows, and the extra
Dec 18 19:47:58 <bradfa> alc, which board?
Dec 18 19:53:57 <alan_o> stupid cable modem bill goes up $15 in one month. Called and they said, "you've been paying too low a rate for years...."
Dec 18 19:54:55 <alan_o> On top of that, they've been charging me $7/month for cable modem rental, on a cable modem that I bought from newegg!!
Dec 18 19:55:37 <prpplague> jeeze
Dec 18 19:55:53 <panto> alan_o, start praying for google fiber
Dec 18 19:56:36 <alan_o> the guy says, "that's in our records as a modem we own" .... ugh
Dec 18 19:56:37 <prpplague> alan_o: i cancelled my dish network when i switched to ATT uverse, but dish network wants to keep charging me, says i didn't ship the receives back, even though i got tracking info
Dec 18 19:58:11 <alan_o> prpplague: ugh.. That's horrible.
Dec 18 19:58:31 <alan_o> That's the same thing I'm getting here I think. Not sure how to get out of paying for this modem short of giving it back and buying another one.
Dec 18 19:58:41 <alan_o> giving it "back"
Dec 18 19:59:38 <mranostay> i steal cable no bills :P
Dec 18 20:01:06 <alan_o> The only thing I can think of is that the modem I bought off of newegg also got fried and I then said, "screw it; I'll use theirs"
Dec 18 20:01:13 <alan_o> how to determine if this is true......
Dec 18 20:01:53 <alan_o> oh, and they'll do _nothing_ for me on the price. They offered to move me to lower service
Dec 18 20:02:02 <alan_o> I'm on 12Mb, and they offered 6 or 3
Dec 18 20:02:10 <alan_o> (in reality I'm getting more than 12, iirc)
Dec 18 20:02:25 * mranostay reports alan_o 
Dec 18 20:02:56 <alan_o> hah
Dec 18 20:03:12 <alan_o> I haven't done a speed test of any kind in a while
Dec 18 20:03:49 <alan_o> now they just called me back for a survey. This will be fun :)
Dec 18 20:04:48 <ds2> ATT Orange did the same crap... sending bills out 6months later
Dec 18 20:09:05 <djlewis> well, now I dont feel so bad about my 2nd tier dsl being slower than spec on up speed
Dec 18 20:09:31 <djlewis> windstream says they may get around to fixing it June 2012
Dec 18 20:09:37 <djlewis> 12013
Dec 18 20:09:40 <djlewis> 2013
Dec 18 20:09:42 <djlewis> \argg
Dec 18 20:10:09 <alan_o> Speed test shows 24 down, 4 up
Dec 18 20:10:20 <mranostay> 12013 that is a long time
Dec 18 20:10:32 <mranostay> djlewis: the world ends Friday though
Dec 18 20:10:49 <djlewis> well, all will be bettre come the 21st
Dec 18 20:11:05 <mranostay> going to be a good bar night
Dec 18 20:11:17 <djlewis> I never had a bad bar night ;)
Dec 18 20:11:27 <alan_o> bad bar morning?
Dec 18 20:11:37 <djlewis> good bar, bad morning
Dec 18 20:12:40 <mranostay> djlewis: never been in a bar fight?
Dec 18 20:13:01 <djlewis> matter o fact I went to a bar one night hopeing to.
Dec 18 20:13:16 <djlewis> nothing turned up.
Dec 18 20:15:44 <mranostay> <insert Fight Club quote here/>
Dec 18 20:22:48 <jkridner> ah, booted back into Linux for some real work.
Dec 18 20:22:59 * jkridner wishes someone would port OE to OSX.
Dec 18 20:23:06 <ds2> jkridner: that means more slides in libreoffice? :D
Dec 18 20:23:23 <jkridner> where did all the ops go?
Dec 18 20:23:30 <mranostay> drinking
Dec 18 20:23:38 <alan_o> jkridner: everyone is an op but you it seems
Dec 18 20:23:45 <ds2> colorado, waiting to light up
Dec 18 20:23:54 <alan_o> hah
Dec 18 20:24:03 <alan_o> that's an image... standing there with lighters, counting down
Dec 18 20:24:13 <mranostay> heh
Dec 18 20:24:30 <mranostay> bah live in CA no big deal :P
Dec 18 20:24:44 <alan_o> I'm told it's practically legal in CA already
Dec 18 20:24:49 <mranostay> yeah
Dec 18 20:24:57 <ds2> you can still get carded
Dec 18 20:25:17 <mranostay> my back is hurting
Dec 18 20:25:20 <mranostay> *ahem*
Dec 18 20:25:32 <alan_o> if all you need is an Rx, then it's as good as legal. You can find a doctor to give you an Rx for anything. In FL it's the "pain clinics" writing Rx for oxycodone in quantities to paralyze a horse.
Dec 18 20:25:45 <mranostay> alan_o: same here
Dec 18 20:25:52 <jkridner> alan_o: interesting. pidgin doesn't seem to be showing me ops.
Dec 18 20:26:07 <mranostay> jkridner: test it by /kick ds2 :P
Dec 18 20:26:07 <ds2> jkrdiner: you don't
Dec 18 20:26:23 <alan_o> jkridner: I show _av500_, av500, koen and _chase_ being ops
Dec 18 20:26:31 <alan_o> (as people's clients now start blinking :) )
Dec 18 20:27:04 <ds2> confirmed.
Dec 18 20:27:07 <alan_o> still no op
Dec 18 20:27:09 <alan_o> :(
Dec 18 20:27:19 <jkridner> ah, now pidgin is showing who is op
Dec 18 20:27:21 <alan_o> We'll get jkridner trained soon enough :)
Dec 18 20:27:34 <mranostay> jkridner: blink!
Dec 18 20:27:41 <mranostay> don't want you feel left out
Dec 18 20:27:44 <mranostay> *to
Dec 18 20:28:15 <alan_o> ding ding ding!
Dec 18 20:28:25 <ds2> it didn't know ur u@h
Dec 18 20:28:40 <alan_o> but the question now is.... are you a _smooth_ operator?
Dec 18 20:29:51 <mranostay> ok kick alan_o for that one please :)
Dec 18 20:30:41 <alan_o> hey, no campaigning for /kicks
Dec 18 20:31:44 <jkridner> can we code for kicks?
Dec 18 20:33:12 <mranostay> what is the point of power if you can't abuse it?
Dec 18 20:36:44 <alan_o> yeah, what good is power if it doesn't corrupt?
Dec 18 20:43:37 <djlewis> just make us all ops and w can kick off any newcomers
Dec 18 20:43:45 <djlewis> then the ops will be kicking ops..
Dec 18 20:43:48 <djlewis> sounds fun
Dec 18 20:44:39 * mranostay kicks djlewis 
Dec 18 21:17:09 <alan_o> all trolls get ops
Dec 18 21:17:59 <alan_o> So after digging through my attic...... I can find a box for a cable modem, with the same serial number as in the invoice from newegg (which is still in my email, and shockingly had a serial number in it), but it's not the serial number of what's connected to my PC right now
Dec 18 21:18:05 <alan_o> so maybe this _is_ comcast's modem
Dec 18 21:18:55 <alan_o> in which case I guess I'm buying a new modem, which is a good excuse to get one with ipv6 support (which I wanted to do anyway)
Dec 18 21:21:18 <alan_o> Man, SB6121: draws 9W. good grief.
Dec 18 21:25:42 <djlewis> ugh, winter comes knocking in 48 hours
Dec 18 21:26:04 <alan_o> how sow?
Dec 18 21:26:06 <alan_o> so
Dec 18 21:26:21 <djlewis> place me in central Ar USA,  http://weather.rap.ucar.edu/progs/index.php?prog=48
Dec 18 21:26:59 <djlewis> i'll be in the rain whilst cold shit is in neighboring states
Dec 18 21:29:49 <jkridner> I just checked and BeagleBone is on the TI eStore right now for $66.75 using coupon code 121212STO
Dec 18 21:30:18 <jkridner> I'm not going to put that on the G+/Twitter feeds
Dec 18 21:30:32 <ds2> delivery date of 2013DEC01?
Dec 18 21:30:53 <jkridner> yikes!?!?
Dec 18 21:31:00 <jkridner> they can't mean that.
Dec 18 21:31:16 <ds2> most things of interest on the TI eStore seems to have absurd delivery dates
Dec 18 21:31:25 <ds2> but they do show up
Dec 18 21:31:45 <ds2> just a general warning - I haven't actually look it up but of the items I did order it was listed that way
Dec 18 21:34:39 <djlewis> iirc we had the waiting game on the msp430 lunchpads
Dec 18 21:34:55 <ds2> or the meta watch or some dev boards ....
Dec 19 01:03:53 <sh1v> sup hackers
Dec 19 01:21:51 <djlewis> sh1v:  that would be dinner at my qth
Dec 19 01:27:33 * mranostay wonders what beer goes well with wiki writing
Dec 19 01:44:06 <Tartarus> mranostay: lots
Dec 19 01:45:51 <mranostay> need to get some notes down before mr mom aka prpplague bugs me again :)
Dec 19 01:46:58 * mranostay debating to get a PCB or stick with the working breadboard
Dec 19 01:56:31 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 19 02:01:17 <mranostay> ironically i have a samsung 'ARM security' phone interview in the morning.. you know how hard it is going to be not to mention the damn /dev/mem hack :)
Dec 19 02:03:07 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 19 02:06:51 <mranostay> prpplague: i so know my response to the "so how would you design a secure system?" "well first i wouldn't make all memory r/w by any user" :)
Dec 19 02:08:08 <ds2> deny access by homosapiens
Dec 19 02:09:11 <alan_o> unplug it from the internet
Dec 19 02:09:13 <alan_o> and power it off
Dec 19 02:09:32 <alan_o> my CRT monitor in the corner has never had a virus
Dec 19 02:09:35 <ds2> you still have the pesky physical access problem
Dec 19 02:10:20 <alan_o> but that's what door locks are for
Dec 19 02:10:33 <alan_o> and that's a facilities issue, entirely SEP
Dec 19 02:10:59 <ds2> what? use a hotel style keycard for locking? :D
Dec 19 02:11:17 <alan_o> one with just the room number encoded on it?
Dec 19 02:11:54 <ds2> nah
Dec 19 02:12:03 <ds2> one with a hard to break public key system
Dec 19 02:12:15 <ds2> just leave an open, 1/8" jack on the corner somewhere ;)
Dec 19 02:13:20 <alan_o> makes me think of this: http://www.bash.org/?949560]
Dec 19 02:13:23 <alan_o> arrgh
Dec 19 02:13:25 <alan_o> http://www.bash.org/?949560
Dec 19 02:14:28 <prpplague> mranostay: HA
Dec 19 02:29:11 <mranostay> classic <Science> WELL NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN IF YOU HADN'T SAID IT MAN
Dec 19 02:29:31 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 19 02:29:42 <mranostay> wow what an idiot
Dec 19 02:30:53 <prpplague> mranostay: there was an outbreak of some bad credit card gas pump machines a few years back, you could insert anything with a mag strip that wasn't a credit card, and the software would basically crash and allow you to pump gas for free
Dec 19 02:31:22 <prpplague> mranostay: turns out there are some idiots in the world, people were using their drivers license mag strip to crash the pump
Dec 19 02:31:34 <prpplague> mranostay: so every time it recorded their info in a crash log
Dec 19 02:32:02 <mranostay> nice
Dec 19 02:32:35 * prpplague has a new stack of books he should be reading along with a half dozen datasheets :(
Dec 19 02:32:42 <mranostay> "you steal this we take this" didn't mean anything to them?
Dec 19 02:33:01 <mranostay> prpplague: i'll read them for you at $100 an hour
Dec 19 02:33:05 <prpplague> hehe guess not
Dec 19 02:33:07 <prpplague> mranostay: hehe
Dec 19 02:33:30 <mranostay> but since you are a nice guy i'll drop it to $75
Dec 19 02:33:46 <prpplague> hehe
Dec 19 02:38:30 <wmat> prpplague: what's in the stack of books?
Dec 19 02:38:44 * wmat seems buried under books
Dec 19 02:38:57 <mranostay> book fort!
Dec 19 02:39:25 <prpplague> wmat: guess i could post them on G+
Dec 19 02:40:02 * wmat wants to re-read the box of sci-fi paperbacks from 25 years ago
Dec 19 02:41:05 <wmat> lots of Philip Jose Farmer books in there
Dec 19 02:41:15 <wmat> and Michael Moorcock
Dec 19 02:43:07 <prpplague> yea like those
Dec 19 02:43:24 <prpplague> wmat: i shared 4 of the ones in the stack with you on g+
Dec 19 02:44:35 <wmat> nice
Dec 19 02:45:02 <wmat> i've read about half of that Data Structures in C book, but remember none of it :(
Dec 19 02:45:13 <prpplague> wmat: i need a serious refresher
Dec 19 02:45:24 <prpplague> wmat: since those seem to be what people are asking in interviews :(
Dec 19 02:45:33 <mranostay> love the questions you only get asked in interviews
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