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Dec 22 04:54:58 <emeb_mac> where is everyone?
Dec 22 04:55:19 <emeb_mac> hmpf - friday before xmas. all out partying.
Dec 22 05:58:45 <mranostay> emeb_mac: about to go out
Dec 22 05:59:11 <emeb_mac> have fun! watch out for crazies.
Dec 22 05:59:15 <mranostay> emeb_mac: most people have to drink to deal with family :)
Dec 22 05:59:31 * mranostay watches himself
Dec 22 05:59:38 <emeb_mac> heh. Depends on the the family.
Dec 22 06:00:22 <ds2> mranostay: where are you going?
Dec 22 06:01:36 <emeb_mac> hey ds2
Dec 22 06:01:47 <ds2> hey emeb_mac
Dec 22 06:02:28 <emeb_mac> coming to AZ anytime soon?
Dec 22 06:02:55 <ds2> maybe
Dec 22 06:03:06 <ds2> after CES
Dec 22 06:03:10 <emeb_mac> bring a sweater. getting chilly lately.
Dec 22 06:03:36 <ds2> PHX can't be colder then Quartzite, can it?
Dec 22 06:03:48 <emeb_mac> heh. probably not.
Dec 22 06:04:21 <emeb_mac> who wants to spend much time in Quartzite tho?
Dec 22 06:04:35 <ds2> they events there
Dec 22 06:04:49 <ds2> they have
Dec 22 06:04:58 <emeb_mac> rock shows etc
Dec 22 06:05:02 <ds2> yep
Dec 22 06:05:10 <emeb_mac> never been to that one.
Dec 22 06:05:12 <ds2> less parking issues there then tuscon
Dec 22 06:05:26 <emeb_mac> we always go to tucson. Never had any issues w/ parking.
Dec 22 06:05:39 <ds2> really? I was told it is insane in tucson
Dec 22 06:05:44 <emeb_mac> nah
Dec 22 06:05:56 <ds2> got to try that one year
Dec 22 06:05:56 <emeb_mac> you got a reseller number or just retail?
Dec 22 06:06:07 <ds2> not selling
Dec 22 06:06:17 <ds2> so, just retail
Dec 22 06:06:26 <ds2> suppose to have good fakes there
Dec 22 06:06:34 <emeb_mac> then you'd probably just go to the main Fri/Sat/Sun show at the main convention ctr.
Dec 22 06:06:57 <emeb_mac> they've got plenty of parking there. costs $5 tho
Dec 22 06:07:06 <ds2> Ohh
Dec 22 06:07:13 <ds2> parking at quartzite is free
Dec 22 06:07:49 <emeb_mac> One year we went with a guy who was a reseller. Got into the wholesale venues.
Dec 22 06:07:52 <emeb_mac> That was a hoot.
Dec 22 06:08:10 <ds2> is it that much better?
Dec 22 06:08:27 <ds2> I thought there were on the street venues too?
Dec 22 06:08:28 <emeb_mac> a lot more variety, lower prices. more haggling.
Dec 22 06:08:56 <emeb_mac> Yeah - there are a lot of satellite locations out in the various motels along the freeway.
Dec 22 06:09:10 <ds2> I see
Dec 22 06:09:11 <emeb_mac> people operating out of their hotel rooms.
Dec 22 06:09:25 <emeb_mac> It goes on for weeks. Crazy.
Dec 22 06:09:30 <ds2> i know folks who do the whole RV thing each year.. .first quartzite then meander their way to Tucson
Dec 22 06:09:39 <emeb_mac> It's a culture.
Dec 22 06:09:45 <ds2> yep
Dec 22 06:10:05 <emeb_mac> I picked up some interesting meteorite fragments once.
Dec 22 06:10:08 <ds2> what I do want to do is visit the university there
Dec 22 06:10:17 <emeb_mac> It's a big uni.
Dec 22 06:10:17 <ds2> suppose to have a decent museum for rock stuff
Dec 22 06:10:31 <ds2> don't look too bad compare to say UIUC
Dec 22 06:10:33 <emeb_mac> My nephew was a student there last year so we went there a few times.
Dec 22 06:11:07 <emeb_mac> big EE dept. too.
Dec 22 06:11:26 <emeb_mac> couple of guys I worked with in the past got their degrees there.
Dec 22 06:11:43 <emeb_mac> A lot of astronomy & optics stuff too.
Dec 22 06:12:07 <emeb_mac> Took a tour of the mirror lab a while back where they make all the big telescope mirrors.
Dec 22 06:12:14 <ds2> any specialities in that EE dept?
Dec 22 06:12:20 <ds2> like power or microwave or...
Dec 22 06:12:26 <emeb_mac> Not sure.
Dec 22 06:13:45 <ds2> one problem with visiting AZ is finding something new to do
Dec 22 06:13:56 <emeb_mac> been here too much?
Dec 22 06:14:03 <ds2> yeah
Dec 22 06:14:18 <emeb_mac> Ever go to Kartchner caverns?
Dec 22 06:14:25 <ds2> no
Dec 22 06:14:28 <ds2> is that in NM?
Dec 22 06:14:45 <emeb_mac> No, Southeast of Tucson.
Dec 22 06:14:57 <ds2> hmmm
Dec 22 06:14:58 <emeb_mac> about 1-2 hours drive or so.
Dec 22 06:15:11 <emeb_mac> A "live" cave - still wet, still growing.
Dec 22 06:15:20 <ds2> is it a park?
Dec 22 06:15:24 <emeb_mac> Yeah.
Dec 22 06:15:37 <emeb_mac> Guided tours through it.
Dec 22 06:16:05 <ds2> hmm
Dec 22 06:16:35 <emeb_mac> How about Kitt Peak?
Dec 22 06:17:04 <emeb_mac> If you're interested in astronomy that's pretty neat.
Dec 22 06:17:26 <ds2> hmmmm AZ state park
Dec 22 06:17:35 <ds2> wonder if it is still open
Dec 22 06:18:04 <emeb_mac> Heh. I don't think they closed that one.
Dec 22 06:18:31 <emeb_mac> In fact a lot of them are reopened after the "austerity measures" of a few years back.
Dec 22 06:18:39 <ds2> oh...
Dec 22 06:18:47 <ds2> heard they were going as far as closing rest stops
Dec 22 06:19:44 <emeb_mac> they did, but most are reopened.
Dec 22 06:19:54 <ds2> ohh.. good to know
Dec 22 06:20:10 <emeb_mac> there's one on I-10 west of Phoenix that's down for maintenance now though.
Dec 22 06:20:10 <ds2> but then AZ is open enough that pulling over outside of the rest stops isn't too big of an issue
Dec 22 06:20:21 <ds2> is that the one closest to Goodyear?
Dec 22 06:20:50 <emeb_mac> I think that there are 3 between Phx and the CA border. Only one is closed.
Dec 22 06:22:27 <ds2> i know there is one after the mountain/hill with the cactus..donno where the otehrs are
Dec 22 06:22:39 <ds2> usually prefer the gas stations anyways..cheaper to top off in AZ
Dec 22 06:23:41 <emeb_mac> There's one between Quartzite and Ehrenberg on the border. That one was open last time we passed (about 4 mo ago)
Dec 22 06:24:04 <ds2> I see
Dec 22 06:24:36 <emeb_mac> Yeah - AZ gas is about 10-50 cents cheaper than CA depending where you get it.
Dec 22 06:25:49 <ds2> I am usually on fumes by the time I get to the Flying J's in Quartzite
Dec 22 06:26:09 <emeb_mac> Heh. That Flying J is no longer such a good deal.
Dec 22 06:26:24 <emeb_mac> Their prices are closer to CA levels lately.
Dec 22 06:26:49 <ds2> really? it is better then the one right on the board
Dec 22 06:26:59 <ds2> even the Cheveron in Quartzite is better then CA
Dec 22 06:27:10 <emeb_mac> There's a place about 45 miles east of the border called Zips that has the best prices I know of in that area.
Dec 22 06:27:30 <emeb_mac> Vicksburg Rd exit.
Dec 22 06:27:44 <emeb_mac> Better than Quartzite prices too.
Dec 22 06:27:47 <ds2> is that were 60 meets I10?
Dec 22 06:27:57 <emeb_mac> A bit east of there.
Dec 22 06:28:11 <emeb_mac> down in that wide valley, near a feed lot.
Dec 22 06:28:34 <ds2> I see
Dec 22 06:28:52 <emeb_mac> Huge sign & flagpole. Hard to miss.
Dec 22 06:29:02 <ds2> this is way before that loan texaco, right?
Dec 22 06:29:05 <ds2> lone
Dec 22 06:29:56 <emeb_mac> That one that's on the western slope down to the river? Much further east of that.
Dec 22 06:30:59 <emeb_mac> here -> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Vicksburg+Road,+Salome,+AZ&hl=en&ll=33.633523,-113.767161&spn=0.009111,0.01929&sll=33.3955,-111.737758&sspn=0.29237,0.617294&oq=vicksburg+rd&t=h&hnear=Avenue+51+E,+Salome,+Arizona+85348&z=16
Dec 22 06:33:33 <ds2> Ohhh there
Dec 22 06:33:56 <ds2> i sometimes go there there if I come through parker...
Dec 22 06:36:24 <emeb_mac> never been off the freeway out in that area.
Dec 22 06:36:52 <emeb_mac> Should go through Salome & Aguila sometime though.
Dec 22 06:37:24 <emeb_mac> Lived here for 25+ years and there's so much I haven't seen.
Dec 22 06:40:27 <ds2> you never go 72 to 95-95-I40?
Dec 22 06:40:44 <ds2> coming from 60 on PHX really really blows
Dec 22 06:40:52 <ds2> I can say I hate Grand with all the lights
Dec 22 06:42:16 <emeb_mac> Grand Ave is a pit.
Dec 22 06:43:22 <emeb_mac> We almost always go I-10 to LA, swing around the periphery on 210 and hit I-5 up near San Fernando. Then 5 all the way to Oregon.
Dec 22 06:44:10 <ds2> the Caves is a must visit but have to be for some other trip
Dec 22 06:44:20 <ds2> if I go, not planning to have a vehicle
Dec 22 06:45:44 <emeb_mac> It's pretty neat.
Dec 22 07:07:26 <_av500_> ahoi
Dec 22 07:16:50 <emeb_mac> avast, matey!
Dec 22 08:06:25 <ds2> how's the EOW failure?
Dec 22 10:09:53 <mranostay> hi all
Dec 22 10:23:35 <KotH> hoi mranostay
Dec 22 10:24:08 <mranostay> KotH: hi semi-troll!
Dec 22 10:30:08 <KotH> omg!
Dec 22 10:30:16 <KotH> there are still HC11 being sold
Dec 22 10:30:50 <mranostay> mdp: PRUSS! HERE!
Dec 22 10:31:18 <mranostay> KotH: in automotive i'm sure
Dec 22 10:31:36 <KotH> mranostay: i doubt it
Dec 22 10:31:56 <KotH> the price is extremely high (>10usd per piece)
Dec 22 10:32:14 <KotH> and those have been old uCs back when i first started out on the electronics road
Dec 22 10:33:45 <mranostay> KotH: how old are you?
Dec 22 10:34:06 <KotH> mranostay: guess :)
Dec 22 10:35:59 <mranostay> 30 ?
Dec 22 10:36:17 <KotH> off by 10% :)
Dec 22 10:37:15 <mranostay> so 33?
Dec 22 10:37:21 <KotH> juup
Dec 22 10:38:03 <mranostay> dammit i am still youngest professional embedded linux enginner in here :)
Dec 22 10:38:08 <mranostay> *engineer
Dec 22 10:38:10 <KotH> lol
Dec 22 10:38:19 <KotH> if that is your only worry
Dec 22 10:40:43 <mranostay> no i have others :)
Dec 22 10:43:36 <KotH> what does it matter that you are the youngest?
Dec 22 10:44:10 <mranostay> i get less respect
Dec 22 10:44:14 <KotH> lol
Dec 22 10:44:50 <KotH> but you get a lot more leeway than others
Dec 22 10:45:10 <mranostay> leeway as in?
Dec 22 10:45:11 <KotH> being the youngest at anything isnt a bad thing
Dec 22 10:45:20 <KotH> you are allowed to make more mistakes
Dec 22 10:45:58 <mranostay> ah some but i have more 'experience' than the college grads i work with :)
Dec 22 10:46:17 <mranostay> i've gotten that talk from managers
Dec 22 10:46:49 <KotH> experience is only weakly correltated to age
Dec 22 10:47:11 <mranostay> KotH: all my college grad coworkers are 30.. first job too
Dec 22 10:48:03 <KotH> when i was a fresh graduated EE working at a small company in the middle of nowhere in .ch, i got a ring buffer written by someone who had been "in business" for at least 15 years... i found a dozen bugs in his ringbuffer implementation within half an hour
Dec 22 10:48:49 <KotH> surprisingly, the programm stopped working properly once i fixed the bugs
Dec 22 10:49:09 <KotH> turned out that the rest of the code depended on the ringbuffer to lose a byte or two once in a while
Dec 22 10:49:27 <mranostay> well i have no degree but i can see and have reported about things this last engineer... like 20 years senior level.. has done wrong :)
Dec 22 10:49:55 <KotH> you dont need a degree
Dec 22 10:50:03 <KotH> if you are good, you can get a job anywhere
Dec 22 10:50:04 <mranostay> yeah in theory
Dec 22 10:50:07 <koen> hmmm
Dec 22 10:50:10 <mranostay> not always
Dec 22 10:50:19 <mranostay> some companies have shitty hiring policies
Dec 22 10:50:20 <koen> I now have all the libav, x264 and mkv tools I need for this project
Dec 22 10:50:21 <KotH> it's just a bit harder to convice the company that you are up to it
Dec 22 10:50:30 <KotH> koen: does it work?
Dec 22 10:50:38 <koen> but now I realize I could do this a lot faster on the core2quad in the office :)
Dec 22 10:51:04 <KotH> lol
Dec 22 10:51:10 <koen> KotH: proof of concept does, but that has mkvextract and mkvmerge steps, so a few GB of IO
Dec 22 10:51:31 <mranostay> i've had a few interviews that died when they asked where i got my degree
Dec 22 10:51:44 <KotH> koen: step into #libav and get professional support ;)
Dec 22 10:51:46 <koen> next step is using only avconv and see if mkv metadata is preserved
Dec 22 10:51:59 <KotH> mranostay: those are usually the jobs you dont want to have
Dec 22 10:52:09 <mranostay> KotH: very true
Dec 22 10:52:23 <KotH> mranostay: if a company is focused on the degrees their employees have, then the people they collect are usually not the best ones
Dec 22 10:52:34 <koen> and it looks like I need to patch tvheadend to add more metadata to the mkv as well
Dec 22 10:53:11 <mranostay> koen: so how dorky will it be if bring my VFD setup into a coffee tomorrow? :)
Dec 22 10:53:15 <mranostay> *shop
Dec 22 10:53:30 <koen> dunno, does woz frequent said coffee shop?
Dec 22 10:53:49 <mranostay> no but it is in MV with all the nerds
Dec 22 10:54:08 <KotH> mranostay: vfd?
Dec 22 10:54:48 <mranostay> KotH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvt37WpI6LY
Dec 22 10:56:20 <mranostay> av500: ah yeah explain the cat picture please :)
Dec 22 10:56:21 <KotH> mranostay: not very dorky
Dec 22 10:56:46 <mranostay> KotH: breadboard :)
Dec 22 10:57:04 <KotH> mranostay: sounds more like clochard style ;)
Dec 22 10:58:36 <mranostay> koen: did i tell you my ELC demo idea?
Dec 22 10:58:56 <mranostay> having the PRUSS cores do both the clocking and displaying
Dec 22 10:59:34 <mranostay> one clock spins with nops for a second kick off a PRU interrupt to other that updates the display
Dec 22 10:59:53 <mranostay> only hard part is writing the logic for all the digits rolling over
Dec 22 11:14:30 * mranostay sleeps
Dec 22 11:15:49 <KotH> mranostay: sleep well
Dec 22 15:59:32 <jdsa> I have beagleboard-xm and run ubuntu on it. I need to output some hex values like F2A0 on the usb port by using C. could anyone advise what document should I read for it?
Dec 22 16:05:49 <woglinde> ?
Dec 22 16:06:43 <dm8tbr> jdsa: can you tell a bit more about what you're doing there?
Dec 22 16:07:08 <woglinde> dm8tbr proably usb-serial
Dec 22 16:07:52 <dm8tbr> no way to know for sure from that statement...
Dec 22 16:38:54 <woglinde> jo alan_o
Dec 22 16:52:26 <jdsa> dm8tbr: I have a USB to DALI converter that the program does not work on Linux. I need to send some basic DALI commands like (F2F0) to control the DALI driver. I only used GPIO of the beagleboard before, never used USB to output data. I would appreciate if you could suggest me any document  for me to read.
Dec 22 16:58:43 <_av500_> mranostay: explain what?
Dec 22 17:04:31 <dm8tbr> jdsa: sounds like you'll have to write a usb driver. Or how does the usb-to-dali converter show up under linux?
Dec 22 17:05:30 <pigi> ciao
Dec 22 17:05:34 <pigi> !list
Dec 22 17:07:19 <_av500_> !no
Dec 22 17:10:11 <alan_o> woglinde: yo!
Dec 22 17:11:27 <jdsa> dm8tbr: this is the converter http://www.tridonic.com/com/en/products/2622.asp , it does not have linux compatibility, I have not tried to connect it to the beagleboard yet. The DALI commands are 4 digit hex values, do you think that I could output the hex value on the usb port without writing the driver, if it is the case, how can I do? otherwise, I will search about linux usb driver writing.
Dec 22 17:11:30 <_av500_> alan_o: ho!
Dec 22 17:11:45 <alan_o> (not again....)
Dec 22 17:11:52 <_av500_> wuz?
Dec 22 17:12:06 <alan_o> ??
Dec 22 17:12:31 <alan_o> a bear?
Dec 22 17:12:40 <_av500_> unbearable
Dec 22 17:14:47 <dm8tbr> jdsa: you should first start out with attaching the converter to your linux PC
Dec 22 17:15:02 <dm8tbr> jdsa: if you get it working there it will also work on the BB
Dec 22 17:18:00 <jdsa> dm8tbr: I don't have the cable now. I will try it when I have the cable.
Dec 22 17:18:52 <jdsa> dm8tbr: is it possible to just output FEFE in hex from the usb port? In order to do it, does it matter what is the end device?
Dec 22 17:19:13 <dm8tbr> jdsa: basically, if the device shows up as some sort of usb-serial device, you're lucky and can write linux software easily. if it does not, then you'll have to either find a different interface or write a driver for this.
Dec 22 17:19:49 <dm8tbr> jdsa: no, one does not simply bitbang some random output into USB
Dec 22 17:21:10 <_av500_> libusb
Dec 22 17:22:15 <_av500_> but yes, it might be simply usbserial or so
Dec 22 17:26:57 <jdsa> dm8tbr: Thank you for your help
Dec 23 01:15:09 * mranostay drops pin
Dec 23 01:16:22 <emeb_mac> pin explodes
Dec 23 01:21:44 <mranostay> emeb_mac: er isn't the grenade suppose too?
Dec 23 01:23:11 <alan_o> So I just clicked over from the slashdot story about the kid getting arrested for drawing a gun in school, all the posts being stuff like, "hello, that's what boys do," and you guys are talking about hand grenades. Seems about right.
Dec 23 02:21:31 <emeb_mac> kids... what can you do about 'em
Dec 23 02:31:10 <mranostay> github is down i see
Dec 23 02:36:08 <emeb_mac> almost as bad as google being down.
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