**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 27 02:59:59 2012 Dec 27 04:09:32 *sigh* this is going to get tough timing Dec 27 04:13:53 my flight to HEL is already 15min late to take off and no sights of this happening any time soon. Dec 27 04:22:18 HEL - that's an auspicious designator. Dec 27 04:22:25 You're flying to Helsinki? Dec 27 04:22:48 What are you going to do in Finland? Dec 27 04:22:59 (cue joke about HEL freezing over) Dec 27 04:27:17 HEL .. nice one Dec 27 04:30:06 * dm8tbr is flying from OUL to HEL(l) to HAM Dec 27 04:30:09 for 29c3 Dec 27 04:30:40 also bloody HELl 30min over and still no complete boarding Dec 27 04:41:02 dm8tbr: So what have you been doing in Oulu then? Dec 27 04:41:28 visiting my SO's relatives Dec 27 04:41:39 I see Dec 27 04:41:49 we live in TMP (another great airport code, isn't it?) Dec 27 04:42:28 heh Dec 27 04:43:25 I have never taken a flight inside the country, only when going into a foreign country. Dec 27 04:43:45 Don't really even know which cities have airports Dec 27 04:46:42 hope you're not in TMP during a power failure. Dec 27 04:53:17 53min over. we should have been on final approach by now Dec 27 04:53:34 hint: we're still deicing in OUL... Dec 27 04:56:30 SHT is another one Dec 27 04:56:48 dm8tbr: you are Swedish right? Dec 27 05:01:57 mranostay: german and polish Dec 27 05:02:11 mranostay: mru is from sweden Dec 27 05:02:29 ok. looks like take-off soon™ Dec 27 05:02:45 pushback just happened, time to close up, gentlemen. Dec 27 05:05:58 dm8tbr: no love for the trolls? Dec 27 05:27:35 <_av500_> morn Dec 27 05:45:20 ing Dec 27 05:54:34 * mranostay bear hugs _av500_ Dec 27 06:01:06 <_av500_> +1 Dec 27 06:16:54 good moaning from melting HELl Dec 27 06:17:06 looks like I caught my flight Dec 27 06:17:25 will be interesting if my luggage makes it Dec 27 06:22:01 dm8tbr: need a beagle hug? Dec 27 06:28:30 _av500_: group hug on dm8tbr ? Dec 27 06:30:17 hehe Dec 27 06:30:20 thanks Dec 27 06:30:46 I'm on the plane now. 29C3, here I come! Dec 27 06:33:09 hugs on a plane! Dec 27 06:33:17 <_av500_> eek Dec 27 06:36:43 dm8tbr: bathroom seat? :) Dec 27 06:37:02 ah CCC Dec 27 06:37:17 need to go to that someday Dec 27 06:37:40 lucky i'm not a family guy so the xmas timeframe doesn't matter :) Dec 27 06:38:16 dm8tbr: hackers on a plane? Dec 27 06:41:21 didn't pay attention, but it might just be 'hacker on a plane' Dec 27 06:42:55 dm8tbr: why the xmas time for the conference? Dec 27 06:43:14 because of what you just said Dec 27 06:43:29 nerds don't have families? :) Dec 27 06:43:39 or don't care Dec 27 06:43:51 more the latter here :) Dec 27 06:43:59 still odd time to do it Dec 27 06:44:07 must be dirt cheap conference time :) Dec 27 06:45:04 dm8tbr: is it mostly a german conference? Dec 27 06:45:23 that prolly too Dec 27 06:46:07 check the schedule (fahrplan) Dec 27 06:46:21 lots of international stuff Dec 27 06:46:40 * dm8tbr did his presentation back then in english Dec 27 06:49:40 dm8tbr: best. language. ever :) Dec 27 06:49:53 <_av500_> right after BASIC Dec 27 06:50:58 hey! Dec 27 06:51:01 pushback. read you later. Dec 27 06:54:07 _av500_: i see you guys implemeted your blue card program Dec 27 06:59:01 29C3, what's that? Dec 27 06:59:57 I see. http://lanyrd.com/2012/29c3/ Dec 27 07:16:34 <_av500_> mranostay: wuz? Dec 27 07:21:50 <_av500_> Bisqwit: that Dec 27 07:32:53 _av500_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Card_(European_Union) Dec 27 10:57:05 hi Dec 27 17:55:01 morning trolls Dec 27 17:55:11 prpplague: so quiet without mru Dec 27 17:55:40 indeed Dec 27 17:57:26 hi prpplague Dec 27 17:57:32 panto: greetings Dec 27 17:58:26 prpplague: how's things in snowy TX? Dec 27 17:59:30 emeb: pretty much all the snow has melted around where i am at Dec 27 18:00:01 prpplague: best kind of snow - looks great coming down, doesn't stick around to cause trouble. Dec 27 18:08:33 the best snow is no snow :) Dec 27 18:08:49 mranostay: grinch. Dec 27 18:09:49 24 years in Ohio i've seen enough snow :) Dec 27 18:12:10 hehe Dec 27 18:12:16 * prpplague likes the snow Dec 27 18:12:36 i think would like living in colorado with regular snow Dec 27 18:12:48 and be able to go skiing on the weekends Dec 27 18:13:03 * prpplague is not really a beach person Dec 27 18:14:00 prpplague: well you are one of the palest people i know :) Dec 27 18:14:18 hehe Dec 27 18:16:23 snow. beaches. these are things that happen to other people. Dec 27 18:16:33 did you have an endless supply of SPF-50 in Barbados? Dec 27 18:16:48 emeb: hehe Dec 27 18:16:50 mranostay: indeed Dec 27 18:16:58 or where you not a daywalker? :) Dec 27 18:17:02 *were Dec 27 18:27:38 mranostay: i try to stay out of the sun, hehe Dec 27 18:29:10 so you go to barbados and stay inside? that sounds so wrong Dec 27 18:30:12 mranostay: hehe too hot outside, hehe Dec 27 18:31:00 there is that little body of water on every side to cool you down Dec 27 18:31:21 hehe Dec 27 18:31:28 heh the island has it's own currency Dec 27 18:31:35 i'm sure that is totally stable :) Dec 27 18:34:34 hmm actually it is flat for the last 10 years at ~0.50 USD$ Dec 27 18:38:37 ah d'oh on me ' Since July 5, 1975, the Barbados dollar has been pegged to the US dollar at US$1 = Bds$2.' :) Dec 27 18:46:15 mranostay: yep Dec 27 18:46:19 mranostay: its pretty stable Dec 27 18:46:42 mranostay: they basically don't have any income tax for anyone making less than a million usd Dec 27 18:48:58 mranostay: they have VAT at 18% Dec 27 18:49:05 mranostay: so basically everyone pays that Dec 27 18:49:44 whats up gang Dec 27 18:50:04 s5fs: throw your colours man Dec 27 18:50:24 rainbow, son! equality is mad cool. Dec 27 18:50:27 prpplague: well the million income isn't a problem :) Dec 27 18:51:18 prpplague, VAT is at 23% here, and we pay a income tax at 45% Dec 27 18:51:25 panto: boo hoo Dec 27 18:51:42 mranostay, so you live in CA Dec 27 18:51:50 anyone have experience with low power / sleep settings on beagle XMs? i'm wanting to poke a button and have this thing sleep/wake. Dec 27 18:51:51 what's your tax rate then comrade? Dec 27 18:52:04 panto: yikes! Dec 27 18:52:06 panto: dang, where are you? Dec 27 18:52:16 .gr :/ Dec 27 18:52:33 panto: that include social services? Dec 27 18:52:49 what social services? are you joking? Dec 27 18:52:55 this ain't denmark Dec 27 18:53:19 hehe Dec 27 18:53:19 panto: ok whatever you call your social security :) Dec 27 18:53:21 panto: greece appears to be in a tough spot, i hope you and yours are doing well. Dec 27 18:53:43 some of us are hanging on, some others have jumped over the rails already Dec 27 18:53:51 c'est la vie Dec 27 18:54:30 panto: marginally i pay about 42% with 10% sales tax Dec 27 18:55:00 actually is probably like 35%+ Dec 27 18:55:18 if you want to include medical insurance :) Dec 27 18:55:25 studies here including VAT put it at 70%+ for any worthwhile income (not even 6 figures) Dec 27 18:55:42 panto: damn you man you've made me all depressed now :) Dec 27 18:55:43 so tax-evasion is a survival policy Dec 27 18:58:11 panto: first year i won't be taking the standard deduction.. only because CA's income tax is so high.. pretty much anyone is in the top tier Dec 27 18:58:22 mranostay: california? Dec 27 18:58:28 or canada Dec 27 18:58:43 California Dec 27 18:58:49 who wants to live in Canada? :) Dec 27 18:58:49 what's the difference? Dec 27 18:58:54 weather? :P Dec 27 18:59:06 medical insurance Dec 27 18:59:09 california is peopled Dec 27 18:59:23 canada is polar beared? Dec 27 18:59:32 hi Russ Dec 27 18:59:38 evening panto Dec 27 18:59:59 mranostay: I spent almost 10yrs in norcal, now I'm up in portland oregon. still getting bent over on taxes here but cost of living isn't quite as high. of course, you get what you pay for though. Dec 27 19:00:00 well any tech jobs in Canada though? :) Dec 27 19:00:11 mranostay: lots of tech in vancouver bc Dec 27 19:00:17 mranostay: lots in Waterloo Dec 27 19:00:35 there's some stuff in ottawa too I guess Dec 27 19:00:39 BC is crazy expensive to live in though, from what i understand Dec 27 19:00:54 s5fs, polar bear insurance is expensive? Dec 27 19:01:16 panto: cheaper if you get moose coverage as well Dec 27 19:01:16 waterloo is further south than parts of norcal Dec 27 19:02:09 s5fs: more than norcal? :) Dec 27 19:03:00 mranostay: regarding cost of living, i guess it's fairly close to sf prices. Dec 27 19:03:33 there are some embedded jobs in montreal that comes my way sometimes, still cold though Dec 27 19:05:12 if i'm paying SF prices i'm living in a place that gets no snow at all :) Dec 27 19:05:13 this is my first embedded gig, although i'm mainly tasked with app development and os config. Dec 27 19:05:46 mranostay: i wouldn't trade sf for bc, but thats me. Dec 27 19:07:38 so what is the best resource for beagle xm info? seems like a lot of stale info out there. Dec 27 19:08:27 if you are asking about suspend/resume, that's just a generic linux question Dec 27 19:08:27 wiki! :P Dec 27 19:08:31 use the user button Dec 27 19:12:36 Russ: i understood that acpi didn't work on the beagleboard, am i mistaken? Dec 27 19:13:05 pm-suspend Dec 27 19:13:15 or just echo mem > /sys/power/state Dec 27 19:13:51 Russ: when I cat /sys/power/state currently it returns 'mem' Dec 27 19:14:42 Russ: i guess what i'm after is something to read, so i get my bearing as to what options are available, can i power down gpio-controlled devices, etc. Dec 27 19:15:41 mem is the list of options available Dec 27 19:16:03 (for full system suspend) Dec 27 19:16:29 you can also control the runtime pm of individual devices in /sys as well as their ability to wake the system from full suspend Dec 27 19:17:19 see linux/Documentation/power Dec 27 19:17:26 things like interface.txt Dec 27 19:17:29 Russ: awesome, that's exactly what i'm after Dec 27 19:17:30 runtime_pm.txt Dec 27 19:17:51 er, that one is probably more for programming Dec 27 19:18:12 probably devices.txt Dec 27 19:18:21 once you get a general idea, you can google Dec 27 19:19:14 Russ: thank you. i'm at the very beginning and need as much info to get googling as possible, haha! i'm very happy to do homework but it's hard to know where to begin. my power mgmt experience has been limited to managing my own laptop, that's about it. Dec 27 19:20:53 acpi is x86 Dec 27 19:20:58 same with apm Dec 27 19:22:24 Russ: yeah, i learned that yesterday. Dec 27 19:25:07 but with the generic linux pm interfaces, it shouldn't matter what your hardware is running, acpi or other Dec 27 19:27:27 Russ: gotcha, i was hung up b/c i only know acpi and when that option fell off the table i ended up here. Dec 27 19:36:57 later Dec 27 19:42:41 * bradfa just realized he hasn't been on IRC all week... Dec 27 19:43:55 bradfa: what's it like out there, in the real world? Dec 27 19:45:10 s5fs, snowing Dec 27 19:45:33 bradfa: haha, sounds awesome! nothing but rain here, indoor kids rule! Dec 27 19:46:13 s5fs, ah, I have an outdoor kid, maybe the next kid will be an indoor one Dec 27 19:46:38 she gets cold when it snows, the outdoor kid Dec 27 19:48:02 very cool, i've got two girls myself (9 & 14). neither one is exceptionally outdoorsy, must've got that from mom's side. Dec 27 19:48:14 god is it cold in this building Dec 27 19:48:34 <_av500_> burn some NDAs to keep warm Dec 27 19:48:47 <_av500_> or some corporate compliance policies Dec 27 19:48:51 can't boss-man is nearby Dec 27 19:48:57 'no smoking' Dec 27 19:49:00 just start up seti-at-home or something Dec 27 19:49:08 let your cpu's warm the room Dec 27 19:49:32 <_av500_> reminds me of the r-pi hacker that froze to death Dec 27 19:49:40 heh Dec 27 19:49:48 * Crofton|work has no heat Dec 27 19:49:53 well, outside the office Dec 27 19:50:04 oil furnace is sick and to cold for heat pump Dec 27 19:50:08 someone needs to invent a heating system that mines for bitcoins Dec 27 19:50:20 heh Dec 27 19:50:21 Russ: gpu-based heating solution Dec 27 19:50:47 Russ: enough to pay back 10% of the heating bill? :) Dec 27 19:50:50 Russ, a bit coin mining system is a heater Dec 27 19:51:25 bitcoin still exists? Dec 27 19:51:27 we can sell it in the skymall or something Dec 27 19:52:06 mranostay, $13.30 Dec 27 19:53:43 Russ: eh? Dec 27 19:53:49 (exchange rate) Dec 27 19:54:01 <_av500_> Crofton|work: I had to have my heating repaired today :( Dec 27 19:54:09 hmm...maybe we can get carlos to switch load testing over to bitcoin mining... Dec 27 19:54:26 you kid :) Dec 27 19:56:28 mranostay, don't you have any left over radioactive stuffs? Doesn't that warm humans? Dec 27 19:56:30 Russ: you can even buy drugs with bitcoin...whoa Dec 27 19:56:57 bradfa: i don't exactly have a RTG in my cube Dec 27 19:57:07 maybe Silk Road has one of those Dec 27 19:58:01 wtf? #raspberrypi :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services Dec 27 19:58:45 mranostay: i'm still waiting for btc to get popular. buying dope off silk road is one thing, but until i can buy stuff at a brick-and-mortar or through a large online retailer, it's still just hobby currency to me. Dec 27 19:58:46 yeah only registered people allowed Dec 27 19:59:17 mranostay, I see that they have a troll problem, eh? Dec 27 19:59:37 bradfa: well that an the op there is a bit a a**hole Dec 27 20:00:13 mranostay, think we should change the topic for #beagle to "The Blessed channel" so we can be cool, too Dec 27 20:01:10 bradfa: seems reasonable Dec 27 20:01:30 mranostay, I hear the op over here is a bit of a troll... Dec 27 20:02:04 bradfa, give credit where credit is due please Dec 27 20:02:06 a bit? Dec 27 20:02:55 Russ, credit, ok, av500 is TROLL LEADER CAPTAIN! OF THE WORLD! :) Dec 27 20:03:15 thank you Dec 27 20:07:21 mru is still the master don't forget that Dec 27 20:12:36 mranostay, that's why av500 is only the troll leader captain ;) Dec 27 20:13:31 there's a ranking system in here somewhere... Dec 27 20:13:58 I'm down by Private First Class level, what ever that's called, they didn't have Troll ROTC at my school Dec 27 20:15:36 First Class? don't we think highly of ourselves? :P Dec 27 20:15:55 _av500_: so that stairs photo... 'shopped right? Dec 27 20:17:33 mranostay: we're all first class Dec 27 20:18:01 buck private is an option :P Dec 27 20:19:01 mranostay, my mom told me pictures on the Internet are never modified Dec 27 20:21:27 well i can successfully suspend a beagle but cannot wake it, haha! halfway done! Dec 27 20:21:47 halfway counts for nothing :) Dec 27 20:22:08 well shit. Dec 27 20:23:33 the 'user' button doesn't seem to do anything. this is an angstrom build but i don't know anything else about it, nor do i have access to the system with the build env on it. Dec 27 20:24:54 you have to make it do things Dec 27 20:25:01 you can enable it's ability to way with sys Dec 27 20:25:07 heh Dec 27 20:25:17 and then use the event device to call pm-suspend Dec 27 20:25:48 Russ: thanks man Dec 27 20:26:04 I hope my blind wandering is more amusing than annoying, haha Dec 27 20:26:40 oh we'll let you know.. Dec 27 20:27:23 haha, i'm sure you will! Dec 27 20:28:19 is there much crossover between this channel and rpi? Dec 27 20:29:12 in my spare time i'm farting around with the rpi but mainly just to host a node.js process and faciliate interaction with wireless arduino nodes, nothing fancy. i'm trying to work my way down closer to the kernel. Dec 27 20:29:46 Russ: isn't bitcoin being investigated for being a ponzi scheme? Dec 27 20:29:58 s5fs, I doubt there's much "serious" cross over Dec 27 20:30:02 maybe some trolling Dec 27 20:30:13 trolling is serious business Dec 27 20:30:32 takes a lot of effort to troll effectively Dec 27 20:30:51 and av500 and mru make it look so easy... Dec 27 20:32:36 well, i'm probably the least knowledable in the channel, which means i have the most potential for improvement, haha! that's something, i guess. Dec 27 20:33:07 s5fs, you can carry on a conversation, you are not the least knowledgeable in the channel ;) Dec 27 20:33:37 you might even be one of the most knowledgeable in the #raspberrypi channel, just for that fact alone! Dec 27 20:33:47 bradfa: yeah, i try to mask my inequities via making small talk Dec 27 20:34:31 s5fs, I've yet to see you ask for exact steps, that's like a +10 smartness around here Dec 27 20:36:01 bradfa: haha!! i usually lurk in a few other channels and believe the quality of your average 'ask' depends on the subject matter. i fully expect everyone in this channel to be professionals or focused students. Dec 27 20:36:12 so, i try to conduct myself appropriately. Dec 27 20:36:26 s5fs, you give us much credit :) Dec 27 20:37:26 only because I don't know you all very well! Dec 27 20:43:10 s5fs, what cha' working on? Dec 27 20:43:56 veterinary medical device thingy Dec 27 20:44:42 s5fs, putting a Beagle in a beagle? Dec 27 20:44:51 yeah, pretty much! Dec 27 20:45:12 *groans* Dec 27 20:45:23 we're a small consulting firm out in portland oregon. we also have a defense contract using gumstix, this is my first project with that team. Dec 27 20:45:40 defense contact using gumstix? Dec 27 20:45:45 unfortunately, when you land in that team you also have to maintain the java codebase used for the defense gig, haha Dec 27 20:45:46 *contract Dec 27 20:46:43 mranostay, why the groaning? Dec 27 20:46:49 still cold? Dec 27 20:46:53 mranostay: yeah, the gumstix is used an integration component for a lasertag-style system. there was some legacy gear that had to be maintained so this is the shim. Dec 27 20:47:03 bradfa: bad-pun-itis Dec 27 20:47:20 * bradfa is slow Dec 27 20:48:04 g'night all Dec 27 20:49:18 bradfa: what cha' working on? Dec 27 20:49:31 i'm always curious about what others are doing! Dec 27 20:50:38 s5fs, basically industrial Kindles and other assorted RFID systems Dec 27 20:51:28 bradfa: any defense work? we're trying to sell ipad apps to the military but it's still not certified i guess. Dec 27 20:51:40 was curious if you guys run across similar issues Dec 27 20:51:45 s5fs, no, sorry, no defense stuff for me Dec 27 20:52:11 would you believe i work on missile systems? Dec 27 20:52:30 mranostay, I thought you made network equipment? Dec 27 20:52:39 bradfa: dammit you are slow :) Dec 27 20:52:40 mranostay: yeah, absolutely. i have a friend who worked for the MDA as a sysadmin. Dec 27 20:52:47 * bradfa needs caffeeeeeeen Dec 27 20:53:10 mranostay: long way of saying "apparently they'll hire anyone" Dec 27 20:53:24 * bradfa should write more code in this state of mind, trolling obviously isn't a strong point today.. Dec 27 20:53:30 cya Dec 27 20:53:34 bradfa: take care Dec 27 20:54:00 i think I'll take bradfa's lead and get back to work myself. later crew! Dec 27 22:23:25 Russ: i've got basic suspend-to-ram working, thanks again for your assistance! Dec 27 23:41:18 * mranostay pokes bradfa Dec 28 00:13:57 Just got a beaglebone for a project I'm working on involving OpenCV. I have used Narcissus to generate an image in .tar.gz of what appears to be the Root Filesystem, and therefore makes no sense in terms of imaging [I'm used to a .img file that I can just dd to the card] Dec 28 00:14:08 How do I go about imaging this .tar.gz? Dec 28 00:16:17 heh Dec 28 02:56:27 hmmm Dec 28 02:56:30 mranostay: you around? Dec 28 02:57:11 a mranostay-free zone Dec 28 02:57:23 hehe Dec 28 02:58:37 how's tricks prpplague? Dec 28 02:58:45 w00t prpplague Dec 28 02:59:09 and of course emeb_mac :-D Dec 28 02:59:15 hi alan_o Dec 28 02:59:29 emeb_mac: it goes Dec 28 02:59:35 alan_o: hey bud Dec 28 02:59:50 everyone recovering from the first impulse of the winter holiday season? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 28 02:59:58 2012