**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 02 02:59:59 2013 Jan 02 04:05:09 * mranostay pumps some dubstep into the room Jan 02 04:08:10 nice. Jan 02 04:08:59 * emeb_mac plugs ears Jan 02 04:09:39 you can't escape it Jan 02 04:11:56 la la la la la la la Jan 02 04:12:26 see even ka6sox is getting into the beat :) Jan 02 04:12:44 hehe Jan 02 04:12:56 that was me with my ears plugged and doing la la la la la to avoid listening to it Jan 02 04:13:05 at 120 bpm? Jan 02 04:13:10 and that was mranostay trolling you :) Jan 02 04:13:24 mranostay, +1, ka6sox, -1 Jan 02 04:14:05 please tell me the ELC CFP is closed... Jan 02 04:14:31 Jan 4 iirc Jan 02 04:15:42 yeah 4th Jan 02 04:16:04 okay then I'll skip it this year. Jan 02 04:17:18 lame Jan 02 04:17:32 you can BS something 3 days for sure :) Jan 02 04:18:21 I have 2 others later in the week too...thats too much. Jan 02 04:20:42 too cool for us.. i see how it is :) Jan 02 04:21:46 no, I didn't think that either would be accepted.... Jan 02 04:21:55 ka6sox: what is the topic? Jan 02 04:22:04 for? Jan 02 04:22:23 < ka6sox> no, I didn't think that either would be accepted.... Jan 02 04:22:24 grouper build is bork3n Jan 02 04:22:38 ignore that.. Jan 02 04:22:42 wrong channel Jan 02 04:22:56 one is a community talk Jan 02 04:23:01 the other is on LibHybris. Jan 02 04:24:34 heh nice another overly political spam email from family about how Oklahoma is 'doing it right'... would it be troll to reply back 'yeah well who the hell wants to live there?' :) Jan 02 04:25:21 the only good thing about Tornados is that they are the #2 fastest event to kill you. Jan 02 04:25:40 oh lovely Jan 02 04:25:45 (and there is almost NO warning) Jan 02 04:26:11 what exactly is OK doing (right or otherwise?) Jan 02 04:26:12 you live on top of the #1 event Jan 02 04:26:36 emeb_mac: some anti-obama crap an aunt thinks everyone cares about :) Jan 02 04:26:45 oh yay. Jan 02 04:26:57 #1 reason to not use FB Jan 02 04:26:58 tell her that stuff is so 2012 Jan 02 04:27:07 ka6sox: email not FB Jan 02 04:27:12 oh Jan 02 04:27:27 there *is* a button for that you know....DELETE Jan 02 04:27:41 *plonk* Jan 02 04:27:50 true still annoying Jan 02 04:28:35 why does Tuna build but not Grouper? Jan 02 04:28:49 stupid focus....should follow EYES... :P Jan 02 04:29:03 ka6sox: because inter-species breeding is hard? Jan 02 04:29:21 need to put that little camera on the top of your monitor to use as an eye trackere. Jan 02 04:29:46 ya...they are doing that now for stuff...works great Jan 02 04:30:23 my nephew w/ CP has one - he can run his speech synth with it & talk now. he's happy. Jan 02 04:30:52 ya, thats amazing tech Jan 02 04:31:09 grouper is 99% like Tuna... :P Jan 02 04:31:12 ka6sox: magic? Jan 02 04:31:29 mranostay, indistinguishable from Magic Jan 02 04:31:44 any sufficiently advanced tech... Jan 02 04:32:35 * mranostay gets the pitchforks Jan 02 04:32:46 don't forget the torches Jan 02 04:33:06 shovels and rakes and other implements of destruction... Jan 02 04:33:16 lessee if I can fix this... Jan 02 04:33:28 problem in meta-android :P Jan 02 04:36:06 surprise android being the problem :) Jan 02 04:37:06 git pull Jan 02 04:44:43 heh - saw questions about "porting android" to rpi. Jan 02 04:45:20 my answer: Why? Jan 02 04:45:36 mranostray, thanks for the pointers on the PRU last night.. Jan 02 04:46:01 i worked through out what was accessable via the headers on teh beagle. Jan 02 04:46:10 and i'm short by 4 pins. :-( Jan 02 04:46:50 it would have been a reletively simple cape as well.. :-( Jan 02 04:46:53 get the ICE...its like a Bone but with what you need Jan 02 04:47:03 i have one arriving Jan 02 04:47:23 but it seems that getting linux to run on it, is eluding most people Jan 02 04:47:37 i am hoping that it can be done. Jan 02 04:47:38 why? Jan 02 04:48:23 hold a sec Jan 02 04:48:28 i'll get the url Jan 02 04:49:18 http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/sitara_arm174_microprocessors/f/791/t/188559.aspx Jan 02 04:51:21 lots of stuff about boot order Jan 02 04:51:53 the down side of the ICE, its that while its got ethercat ports, it has no ethernet port Jan 02 05:00:35 so use the Arago stuff. Jan 02 05:00:40 and start from there Jan 02 05:01:34 put the uboot in spi flash, boot from SD Jan 02 05:05:27 i still have some learning to go! Jan 02 05:05:55 i got my beagle going via receipe. Jan 02 05:05:59 paint by numbers. Jan 02 05:06:50 when i get one on the bench Jan 02 05:06:57 we will see how it all goes Jan 02 05:07:02 well you are doing better than me with this stupid Grouper Jan 02 05:07:20 whats a Grouper ( i knwo its not a fish ) Jan 02 05:07:30 Nexus7 Jan 02 05:07:56 oh, a wannabe ipad Jan 02 05:08:16 bet its maps work though. Jan 02 05:08:20 I don't wanna it to be an i(thing) Jan 02 05:08:44 I'm working on linux for it. Jan 02 05:08:46 i love my ipad Jan 02 05:08:53 if only for reading magazins Jan 02 05:09:01 and changing channels on TV Jan 02 05:20:55 https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlkp9tfw2o0wo47/IMG_20121231_064525.jpg Jan 02 05:30:04 that is a macbook int the background Jan 02 05:30:31 yes Jan 02 05:30:50 foreground is Nexus 7 running Linux Jan 02 05:31:23 oh, i missed that Jan 02 05:31:24 :-) Jan 02 05:34:53 thats pretty cool Jan 02 05:34:59 so, why did you want to run lnux Jan 02 05:45:26 because I like the UI better? Jan 02 05:46:39 i'm always interested in the reasons why people do things Jan 02 05:47:51 there was an OS that Palm did which I liked...they stopped making it...then open sourced the UI, so now we are porting it onto various devices that we want to use. Jan 02 05:50:30 they stopped making devices too...so we had to find new ones to run it on. Jan 02 05:52:49 hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication Jan 02 05:53:13 hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication Jan 02 05:53:17 hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication Jan 02 05:53:20 hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication Jan 02 05:53:23 hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication Jan 02 05:55:35 is there an echo in here? Jan 02 05:55:48 holy crap Jan 02 05:55:59 read the damn datasheet Jan 02 05:56:40 mranostay: say that 4 more times for effect Jan 02 06:04:12 There is a DataSheet for that? Jan 02 06:04:27 really? Jan 02 06:05:20 the tps datasheet is a thing of awesomeness - terrible to behold. Jan 02 06:05:51 how many different I2C partitions are inside that chip? Some things man was not meant to know. Jan 02 06:34:03 ping... Jan 02 06:34:23 even on the slowest of interent links, i detect no echo. Jan 02 06:39:57 your call didn't go through as dialed please hang up and try again Jan 02 06:40:26 pong... Jan 02 06:40:37 dang dude...are you on another planet? Jan 02 06:40:49 close Jan 02 06:40:51 new zealand Jan 02 06:41:08 have you even seen lord of the rings, totally not earth Jan 02 06:42:44 I spent 2 Glorious Weeks on South Island....20yrs ago. Jan 02 06:45:28 was it epic? Jan 02 06:47:11 did you see any hobbitses? Jan 02 06:49:13 if not i would demand my money back Jan 02 06:50:14 * mranostay trolls through MV apartment listings Jan 02 06:50:30 moving again? Jan 02 06:50:59 thinking about it Jan 02 06:52:32 all depends if my rent stays the same or goes up Jan 02 06:54:55 not that MV is any cheaper but it does have bars :) Jan 02 06:55:20 if you're gonna pay, might as well have night life. Jan 02 06:55:39 esp being single Jan 02 06:55:58 martha's vineyard? Jan 02 06:56:04 mountain view Jan 02 06:56:14 well that makes more sense Jan 02 06:56:36 be sure to move after ELC, otherwise $EMPLOYER won't cover hotel Jan 02 06:58:35 Russ, another kiwi? Jan 02 06:58:40 yeah well i'll be happy not to have take personal days for ELC Jan 02 06:58:51 i work for bastards :) Jan 02 06:59:04 shush! Jan 02 06:59:11 spies everywhere. Jan 02 06:59:39 sorry with all due respect :) Jan 02 06:59:50 who/what is ELC Jan 02 07:00:04 http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1997-10-28/ Jan 02 07:00:23 embedded linux conference Jan 02 07:01:26 @Russ, where are you Jan 02 07:03:25 the @ really isn't needed :) Jan 02 07:03:54 nor is the nose in the smiley, but i like it :-) Jan 02 07:04:04 yeah i should do the hostel across the street hopefully i don't get shot Jan 02 07:06:43 i love apartments ads that say 'only $3000' :) Jan 02 07:06:54 a bargain! Jan 02 07:07:03 are you buying it Jan 02 07:07:05 ? Jan 02 07:07:21 mph_: that is rent here... Jan 02 07:07:28 for a week/month? Jan 02 07:07:31 month Jan 02 07:07:37 rents here are similar Jan 02 07:07:49 the house next to me, is $900/week Jan 02 07:08:05 ok i live in a dump compared then :) Jan 02 07:08:11 $1800 am month is what i pay Jan 02 07:08:14 *a Jan 02 07:08:33 my observatios are that real-estate and rentals in the US are cheap Jan 02 07:08:42 but thats comparing it to here. Jan 02 07:08:54 yeah well in everywhere else nobody wants to live :) Jan 02 07:09:14 were i grew up i was paying $600 for a apartment almost twice this size Jan 02 07:09:32 brand new even Jan 02 07:10:02 mph_, LA Jan 02 07:10:13 I live in The Rivera of the US... Jan 02 07:10:17 its EXPENSIVE!!!! Jan 02 07:10:29 mph_: bay area here Jan 02 07:10:59 there must be some cheap places to live in teh USA Jan 02 07:11:10 AZ isn't bad Jan 02 07:11:14 mph_: yes nobody wants to live there :) Jan 02 07:11:21 mranostay, I get a 4 bedroom house for a little more than that :) Jan 02 07:11:30 Russ: yes yes i know Jan 02 07:12:00 i get this from my midwest friends.. you can get blah blah.. but i would have no job back there :) Jan 02 07:12:10 my place is $1200/month mortgage Jan 02 07:12:11 Harlingen, Tx Jan 02 07:12:27 Memphis, TN is cheap Jan 02 07:12:39 mph_: yeah Memphis is a murder city :) Jan 02 07:12:51 McAllem, Texas.. its cheap too. Jan 02 07:12:59 but it is texas :) Jan 02 07:13:08 Fayetteville, AK Jan 02 07:13:26 Ardmore, OK Jan 02 07:13:28 ? Jan 02 07:13:33 anyone for Bismarck ND? Jan 02 07:13:43 rent for two bedroom aparment is just $500 Jan 02 07:14:02 Temple, Texas.. thats cheap as wel. Jan 02 07:14:45 Ashland, Ohio.. - The world headquarters of nice people.. $523 a month Jan 02 07:15:34 Pryor creek, OK.. A dozen eggs is just $1.40 Jan 02 07:15:46 theres some options foryou. Jan 02 07:16:28 aren't you in NZ? Jan 02 07:16:33 mph_: i'm from that part of Ohio i say that is overblown :) Jan 02 07:16:39 where is all this coming from? Jan 02 07:16:53 Yes, russ i'm in New Zealand Jan 02 07:39:51 mph_: i alway base my living decisions on what the cost of eggs are personally Jan 02 07:40:12 bacon. Jan 02 07:40:18 is a better indicator Jan 02 07:43:20 what does beer run.. at not the crappy stuff :) Jan 02 07:43:24 *and Jan 02 07:44:49 $30 / dozen Jan 02 07:48:07 although one my NY resolutions is cut back on that... those carbs put on the pounds.. Jan 02 09:52:48 hi Jan 02 09:53:51 I bought my bbXM sometime ago but I feel quite disappointed. Is there any more progress with this? Jan 02 09:54:15 Seems all new stuff is moving around bbone Jan 02 10:01:44 progress is what you make out of it. Jan 02 10:02:23 also 95% of things that work on the bone should work on an XM Jan 02 10:21:32 ok, but I can't find more people using XM, and uploading videos of their progress, and all that.. Jan 02 10:22:31 gee, activity is all about the number of videos on youtube these days... Jan 02 10:22:47 from a user point of view, understand me, seems pretty dead compared to other blogs Jan 02 10:23:02 not only videos, but all kind of media Jan 02 10:23:04 sure, the xm is a bit old. Jan 02 10:23:28 bone has some activity because it is new and cheap Jan 02 10:23:50 last great thing I saw was a blog developer getting a 300msec booting Jan 02 10:24:00 but the dm3730 is what, 2 1/2 years old now Jan 02 10:24:27 yeah, ok, but isn't bbone another type of product? Jan 02 10:25:17 I mean it's more related to arduino than a "desktop computer" board, right? Jan 02 10:25:33 for sure, you can also do desktop experience, I know Jan 02 10:26:17 but I don't think this was the pretended target for bbone Jan 02 10:28:30 target is to make you familiar with the chip so you build a product with it and buy a million of those chips Jan 02 10:31:12 then can we say there was not much success with TI chipset? Jan 02 10:31:52 Due the low price of alternatives.. Jan 02 10:41:32 so.. What are you guys doin' with your boards? Jan 02 10:42:17 pioj_ i blan to eventually implement a modification for USB that throws the data over a wireless G connection to another board attached to the device and vice versa Jan 02 10:42:20 ise hate cables Jan 02 10:43:46 i might be crazy though Jan 02 10:45:14 isn't that "wireless usb interfacing" ?? Jan 02 10:45:40 or just wifi sharing between two boards? Jan 02 10:47:08 pioj_ pretty much getting the USB data and pushing it wirelessy to another board which has a USB device attached then banging the data onto the bus Jan 02 10:48:24 but the tansfer speed will be limited to that of the wifi? Jan 02 10:48:58 pioj_ thats okay with me Jan 02 10:49:05 but in essence yes Jan 02 10:49:24 ok ok, no problem with that.. Jan 02 10:49:41 jus tryin to understand the concept Jan 02 10:49:52 i mean, subject.. Jan 02 10:50:01 ive also got another tahts more complicated that involves using the beaglebone and a serial port on my PC to verify and decrypt a bootloader and operating system before they start. Jan 02 10:50:08 but thats a little more involved. Jan 02 10:50:21 thats great Jan 02 10:50:41 need to make serial port header to serial cable first :P Jan 02 10:50:58 some kind of a hardware keylock Jan 02 10:51:56 pioj_ more of a complicated which means in essence you need the password and the specific beagle bone to unlock, if you dont have either the bootloader/OS dont boot at all and everything is encrypted/authenticated. Jan 02 10:52:03 complicated box* Jan 02 10:52:24 sometime ago I was thinking about a project to embedd a Ethernet-controlled computer bootstrapping Jan 02 10:52:51 pioj_ ethernet would be more difficult at bootstrap time Jan 02 10:53:05 i wanted to do firewire but the amount of SBC's or uC's that have firewire is nill in my price range Jan 02 10:53:36 yeah it's quite expensive still now Jan 02 10:53:57 blame apple for that Jan 02 10:54:06 serial looks much easier :P but it means my bootloader will have to cooperate, if i had firewire it would all be transparent Jan 02 10:56:55 why? does it works different? Jan 02 10:57:52 pioj_ firewire can read/write arbitrary addresses without really talking to the CPU at all Jan 02 10:58:00 serial i need to push data out the port Jan 02 10:58:07 firewire the device could just read it all Jan 02 11:01:53 I didn't know that. Would be easier to send data to any kind of device Jan 02 11:16:57 Hello, does anyone on here have the ability to change the wiki at http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoard ??? Jan 02 11:18:11 The reason I ask is that "Descsriptions" is spelt wrong - should be "Description" :) Jan 02 11:25:07 Hello, the Rev C BOM says to use a XDM3730BCBP yet http://www.ti.com/product/dm3730#technicaldocuments does not list one. Jan 02 11:25:22 Does anyone know which processor the Rev C should be using? cheers. Jan 02 11:25:47 this is for the XM Jan 02 11:28:07 Hmm, about 100 users in this channel and no one is awake :( Jan 02 11:46:50 oh the patience of the "Hello, ":ers of today... Jan 02 12:06:24 hello kitty! Jan 02 12:09:00 hello world Jan 02 12:17:56 can i provide a regulated 5v through the pins rather then the DC barrell jack Jan 02 12:48:49 I've recompiled my kernel with support for a boot logo, but it does not work. Is there a place in my rootfs where I can verify the existence of my logo? I see /usr/src//logo mentioned on The Web, but I don't have that one. Jan 02 12:48:55 oh, and happy new year Jan 02 14:05:05 KidBeta: through what pins? if in doubt, check the schematic... Jan 02 14:07:24 jonand i was thinking if it had any pins that could take 5v in i was thinking vdd_5v but im tired so i might be wrong. Jan 02 14:08:44 KidBeta: which board? xm? bone? Jan 02 14:09:09 bone Jan 02 14:09:33 KidBeta: http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/Docs/Hardware/BONE_SCH.pdf page 2 Jan 02 14:10:13 P9 pin 5 and 6 Jan 02 14:10:23 and GND ofcourse Jan 02 14:10:33 DGND Jan 02 14:10:52 P9 is on page 11 Jan 02 14:11:04 structured answers, I'll try that some day... Jan 02 14:11:09 lol Jan 02 14:11:11 thanks Jan 02 14:11:16 just the kind of thing i was looking for :) Jan 02 14:13:58 cant see a pin 6 Jan 02 14:14:03 5* Jan 02 14:16:39 im going to make my life easier and rig up a female USB header that exposes the +5 and GND to use like this cause my USB wall wart supplies 1.2 A. But i cant fully power the bone over USB. Jan 02 14:17:41 Uhm, then I guess the easiest thing to do is a USB -> DC jack cable? Jan 02 14:18:12 jonand that would probably be much easier too Jan 02 14:19:04 then fudging around with the pins :P Jan 02 14:19:11 http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-A-to-5-5mm-Barrel-Connector-Jack-DC-Power-Cable-/170643272152?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item27bb21b1d8 <-- $1.99 Jan 02 14:23:16 i presume the jack is 5.5 Jan 02 15:26:31 exact steps: http://xkcd.com/1155/ Jan 02 15:35:43 emeb_mac: +1 Jan 02 15:58:45 <_av500_> gah Jan 02 15:58:55 he lives! Jan 02 16:03:38 how would you securize the usb port of a physically publicly available device ? I've seen inaki's kernel patches to filter pid/vid but it's certainly not enough... Jan 02 16:04:38 the objective is to be able to plug a mass storage on which data can be downloaded, without compromising the integrity of the device Jan 02 16:06:14 uh... Jan 02 16:14:15 gquere_, desolder the usb header? Jan 02 16:14:46 the objective is to be able to plug a mass storage on which data can be downloaded Jan 02 16:24:19 which DEFEATS security....ask any Windows Computer about that... Jan 02 16:26:59 it defeats security if nothing is done on the side. But one could imagine a chroot or private namespace in which the key is mounted, a noexec in fstab, a 'write-only' tweak ... I'm interested to know how the guys here would do it Jan 02 16:28:31 can't be done - if someone has unlimited physical access then anything is possible. Jan 02 16:29:32 what is unlimited physical access ? only the USB port is accessible, and only after boot is complete, these are the current restrictions Jan 02 16:30:53 I assume that by "publicly available" you mean that the device is unmonitored, freely accessible and physically vulnerable. Jan 02 16:32:07 yep I worded that poorly sorry. Only the usb port is attackable, and only when boot is complete. Jan 02 16:32:08 ie - the box could be removed from the original location, opened, probed, etc. Jan 02 16:32:41 then why not just put a lock on it so that it's not accessible w/o a key? Jan 02 16:33:25 or - rewire the USB port with a custom connector that only you have the right pinout for? Jan 02 16:33:28 the objective is to have a user being able to copy content from the device to any mass storage Jan 02 16:34:06 so you want the usb port accessible, but only for limited uses. Jan 02 16:34:34 indeed Jan 02 16:34:49 sorta like the photo kiosks at the drugstore. Jan 02 16:40:09 emeb_mac, not sure the comparison holds; those allow you to upload pictures for printing whereas I'm interested in pulling stuff from the kiosk Jan 02 16:42:32 oh, Jan 02 16:43:01 remove all other support other than usb mass storage Jan 02 16:43:23 since its write only....(to the USB stick) that isn't a security risk Jan 02 16:43:28 *sigh* Jan 02 16:43:47 damn Mon^H^H^HWednesdays Jan 02 16:44:17 mranostay, we celebrate friday RSN...hang in there. Jan 02 16:44:26 ka6sox, wouldn't mass storage be the only security risk ? what's wrong with the rest of the classes ? Jan 02 16:45:58 * ka6sox looks up at the beginning of the discussion.... "how would you securize the usb port of a physically publicly available device ? I've seen inaki's kernel patches to filter pid/vid but it's certainly not enough..." Jan 02 16:46:44 just disble anything you don't want them to do. Jan 02 16:47:01 like plug in a mouse, or ... Jan 02 16:47:10 yeah just not loading the module would do that Jan 02 16:47:42 but, in my newbie opinion, the only security risk is a mass storage ? Jan 02 16:48:00 there is a CCC talk you should watch Jan 02 16:48:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Im0_KUEf8 Jan 02 16:49:04 mranostay, you can celebrate that it's -10C here and going down to -16 tonight...and you are there. :) Jan 02 16:49:26 yeah don't miss that Jan 02 16:49:48 i enjoy the winter jackets out here :) Jan 02 16:50:08 hehe, I know what you mean...will bring mine for ELC Jan 02 16:50:27 well SF is different Jan 02 16:50:34 the weather changes block to block Jan 02 16:50:36 yes, deathly cold Jan 02 16:50:54 i was carrying a coat around in June .. Jan 02 16:51:16 quite frankly, I carry a heavy jacket to SD in october..I've been horribly cold there too ;) Jan 02 16:51:30 oddly, I don't like to be cold Jan 02 16:51:33 Crofton|work, taking a look ty Jan 02 16:52:04 SD? why would you go there? Jan 02 16:53:33 mranostay, used to live "nearby" and visited friends/places there. Jan 02 17:00:15 mdp, I assume that SD is not San Diego... Jan 02 17:15:23 cold + SD... possibly South Dakota? because San Diego doesn't typically get that cold unless you go to the high desert Jan 02 17:30:56 ka6sox: it is Jan 02 17:31:25 it *is* San Diego???? Jan 02 17:31:39 because I see people in January in Board Shorts and Tank Tops... Jan 02 17:32:07 I've been horribly cold at night due to the cool breezes in october Jan 02 17:33:08 I see that here in 0C, some people are different I guess Jan 02 17:33:27 where are you? Jan 02 17:34:01 near cleveland Jan 02 17:34:08 oh Jan 02 17:34:09 people this morning were bundled up in jackets... I'm wearing a short sleeved shirt and sweating Jan 02 17:36:06 today will be 20C and balmy....no wind so not a good kiteboarding day.... Jan 02 17:58:30 * wmat is jealous Jan 02 17:59:09 although, it's not bad today, -6C and sunny Jan 02 18:00:19 wmat: jealous, eh? Jan 02 18:03:27 we finally broke 0C :) Jan 02 18:06:59 going down or coming up? Jan 02 18:07:33 its supposed to reach 39F today. Melt off the 15 inches of snow and ice. Jan 02 18:14:14 we're moving on up.. Jan 02 18:18:55 emeb: geez how many FPGA submissions are there? :) Jan 02 18:19:39 I think I saw 3? That was yesterday morning though. Jan 02 18:19:55 everybody loves FPGAs. Jan 02 18:20:07 it is 4 now Jan 02 18:20:19 plus the CPLD cape Jan 02 18:20:23 Interesting Jan 02 18:20:41 Well, it's up to the community/judges now. Jan 02 18:21:12 * mranostay gets out bribe money Jan 02 18:23:00 just don't spend more in bribes than you could win. Jan 02 18:25:36 unless its for the glamour Jan 02 18:56:08 djlewis: glamour? Jan 02 18:56:58 poor word choice maybe, win for the thrill of buying a win ;) Jan 02 19:10:38 I like the arnd quote, 'Aargh64' Jan 02 19:15:09 panto: pandaboard cluster! Jan 02 19:15:46 mranostay, can we get all the RPi people to natively compile everything? Jan 02 19:15:53 that will sure slow them down Jan 02 19:16:24 *yawn* Jan 02 19:16:25 I'm sure somewhere, someone, is still compiling gentoo for their rpi Jan 02 19:16:39 someone that hates kittens Jan 02 19:17:11 when you compile natively on RPi God kills a kitten? that bastard. Jan 02 19:17:30 *yawn* Jan 02 19:17:35 RPi's are very useful Jan 02 19:17:54 where else can you get a better idiot tag for filtering purposes? Jan 02 19:18:31 ds2: ouch Jan 02 19:18:46 someone is also compi^H^H^H^Hporting ubuntu for phones for rpi Jan 02 19:18:58 porting hehe Jan 02 19:19:57 * djlewis is not hearing much love for the pi here. Jan 02 19:20:12 djlewis: you would be correct Jan 02 19:20:19 "Ubuntu delivers a magical phone . . ." Jan 02 19:27:03 just a reminder, the Call for Participation for the Embedded Linux Conference 2013 ends friday! https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/cfp Jan 02 19:28:41 can we do a paper on why scheduling ELC back to back with a other geographically proximate events is a bad idea? Jan 02 19:31:20 ds2: yes please, we'd love to send that to LF Jan 02 19:48:11 * mranostay facepalms Jan 02 19:48:22 why is a vmlinux under source control?.. Jan 02 19:51:33 morons? Jan 02 19:51:34 * NishanthMenon clones git://github.com/koenkooi/linux.git and does a git branch :( Jan 02 19:52:16 psp is still on 3.2 kernel :( Jan 02 19:53:01 yes, all devel there has been abandoned in favor of mainline Jan 02 19:53:34 mdp, good.. but where is the 3.8 integrated branch? Jan 02 19:53:53 there's no official integration tree Jan 02 19:54:22 mdp, :( Jan 02 19:55:05 the git://github.com/beagleboard/kernel tree is the closest thing IMHO..and the hvaibhav one if 2nd but a more traditional kernel git tree albeit with less functionality Jan 02 19:55:29 NishanthMenon: it would have required a non-existent resource to maintain that tree Jan 02 19:55:59 NishanthMenon: after the reorg, however, there's supposed to be some kind of official staging tree Jan 02 19:56:31 * NishanthMenon runs away to git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git master Jan 02 19:56:37 NishanthMenon: it's a double-edged sword..I think it causes more harm than good but can't prove it :) Jan 02 19:57:13 mdp, yep.. for the moment, I will cherry-pick what I need and build yet another fork :) Jan 02 19:57:31 I can show that the omap and sitara vendor trees are epic shit though...and I'm at least going to win that argument ;) Jan 02 19:57:49 NishanthMenon: yes! go forth and multiply! :) Jan 02 19:57:57 * NishanthMenon work(ed) on omap forks ;)... Jan 02 19:58:10 NishanthMenon: then you know how they get piled with crap Jan 02 19:58:24 mdp, yep - also know why :) Jan 02 19:58:29 yep Jan 02 19:59:24 NishanthMenon: figure around 3.9/3.10 the patches for am335x should be pretty minimal for basic commodity functionality Jan 02 20:00:13 mdp, hope so.. at least the deltas and remaining features dont seem daunting as deltas i have seen in omap previously Jan 02 20:01:17 NishanthMenon: yeah, that's because it's just an A8 core plus a bunch of commodity peripherals...and we've had a bunch of people working on these drivers for the last couple kernel cycles Jan 02 20:01:45 still takes a lot of calendar time to get that much upstream Jan 02 20:02:08 :).. yep... Jan 02 20:02:15 and "those above" didn't decide to get serious about it until too late Jan 02 20:02:28 hehe Jan 02 20:02:29 mdp, been there, seen that :).. Jan 02 20:02:35 NishanthMenon: then they act like it's a 911 call...ho hum Jan 02 20:03:12 mdp, :D just another day, uh? Jan 02 20:03:15 NishanthMenon: I'm getting too old to go through this cycle again :-/ Jan 02 20:03:46 * NishanthMenon still waits.. usually at the butt end of the cycle ;) Jan 02 20:04:07 happy new year mdp! I see that not complaining about your employer wasn't one of your resolutions :-D Jan 02 20:04:18 NishanthMenon: first we had to go through the "justification phase"...that one I hate..glad that's over with Jan 02 20:04:30 alan_o, as you recollect, we *do not* speak on topic here ;) Jan 02 20:04:31 alan_o, you haven't even seen complaining Jan 02 20:04:50 <_av500_> lol Jan 02 20:04:53 <_av500_> oops Jan 02 20:05:02 _av500_, bear with us please ;) Jan 02 20:05:04 <_av500_> well, good evening too Jan 02 20:05:08 alan_o, I have mostly praise...we are doing it! :) Jan 02 20:05:11 <_av500_> NishanthMenon: unrelated Jan 02 20:05:17 _av500_, :) Jan 02 20:05:17 <_av500_> just wathced the ubuntu video Jan 02 20:05:22 NishanthMenon: Complaining about TI is always on topic :) Jan 02 20:05:23 <_av500_> its so full of lol Jan 02 20:05:32 _av500_, you could bearly contain yourself?!? Jan 02 20:05:35 _av500_: link? Jan 02 20:05:46 that video shows what is clearly a magical device Jan 02 20:05:55 I will trade two children for it! Jan 02 20:06:05 hi alan_o Jan 02 20:06:14 panto, happy new year buddy :) Jan 02 20:06:21 thank alan Jan 02 20:06:25 <_av500_> alan_o: link? Jan 02 20:06:25 happy NY to you too Jan 02 20:06:29 alan_o, happy new year...let's get back to work, m'okay? Jan 02 20:06:50 <_av500_> alan_o: try ubuntu.com :) Jan 02 20:06:57 mdp: aww man... I was just starting to procrastinate.... Jan 02 20:07:07 oh snap Jan 02 20:07:22 alan_o, procrastination is ok if it's on your task list Jan 02 20:07:27 * mdp checks the big board Jan 02 20:07:34 <_av500_> its #0 Jan 02 20:07:44 mdp: does the big board start over for the new year? Jan 02 20:07:48 excellent Jan 02 20:07:49 hello, I would like to install TeamViewer in my Angstrom BeagleBoard, is it possible? thanks Jan 02 20:08:21 alan_o, yeah, I'm gonna show you the big board...will try to add some hytek apparatus for a live feed of the big board Jan 02 20:08:35 <_av500_> effezeta: teamviewrr is a dressed up VNC Jan 02 20:08:40 mdp: that would be awesome Jan 02 20:08:40 <_av500_> you can install VNC Jan 02 20:09:09 no Jan 02 20:09:19 hytek like a webcam pointing at the whiteboard Jan 02 20:10:00 * mdp opens a ticket for _av500_ Jan 02 20:10:10 thanks, so I try to install VNC? a link please? Jan 02 20:10:35 alan_o, my resolution is better tracking of #beagle metrics Jan 02 20:11:04 <_av500_> effezeta: http://www.google.com Jan 02 20:11:14 :) Jan 02 20:11:16 another application, you can install Angstrom on BeagleBoard Adobe AIR? Jan 02 20:13:05 _av500_, "...every app has The Cloud built in..." Jan 02 20:13:32 I suspect the video wasn't meant to be comical Jan 02 20:13:59 Morning. Jan 02 20:15:00 <_av500_> mdp: no, it was meant to be canomical Jan 02 20:15:39 <_av500_> effezeta: your last question did not pass the semantic checker here Jan 02 20:16:28 _av500_: indeed Jan 02 20:16:39 * NishanthMenon tries to compare http://www.androidauthority.com/linux-arm-architectures-140084/ vs today's announcement for the winner Jan 02 20:16:59 <_av500_> mdp: I lol'ed most at the QML mention Jan 02 20:17:12 <_av500_> read "gtk is so fucked, we went to the competition" Jan 02 20:17:58 It's sad that gtk isn't better Jan 02 20:18:10 <_av500_> why? Jan 02 20:18:18 because it should be Jan 02 20:18:35 Adobe AIR for Linux for Angstrom Beagsboard not work? I can not install it :( tnx Jan 02 20:18:36 It's just too many moving parts Jan 02 20:18:51 <_av500_> effezeta: there is Adobe Air for Android Jan 02 20:19:31 and try to make it work on windows. Some people have worked really hard to make windows installers, and I've used those before, but it's a lot of storage required to deliver simple applications. Jan 02 20:19:32 <_av500_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Integrated_Runtime Jan 02 20:19:45 <_av500_> .... It also originally supported Linux, but that support was discontinued. Jan 02 20:19:52 last version for Adobe Air for Linux there is 2.6 Jan 02 20:20:00 <_av500_> for linux x86 Jan 02 20:20:03 <_av500_> not arm Jan 02 20:20:39 <_av500_> the only air for arm is android Jan 02 20:20:43 <_av500_> that still exists Jan 02 20:22:06 ok, I have to install Adroid in Beagleboard? is the only solution? Jan 02 20:22:47 So as far as this ubuntu fone goes.... it surprises me that vendors like canonical and palm don't make images for phones that already exist and are at least semi-open, like the Nexus fones, so that people can actually use it if they want, instead of saying "hw vendors please partner with us" Jan 02 20:23:38 alan_o, you forget about "prop" binaries needed for those phones to work Jan 02 20:23:46 alan_o: the hardware is not 'ready' for 'bring your own os' Jan 02 20:23:57 in some cases, those binaries work only with specific drivers Jan 02 20:24:16 so to make a simple port to bootup is different from production ready images Jan 02 20:24:47 alan_o: the hardware adaptation work is a very significant part of things and doing that in 'the community' is not always feasible. certainly not in a timeframe that wouldn't upset 'end users' Jan 02 20:25:27 or in a timeframe to be relevant enough in market Jan 02 20:25:42 I'm not saying it's trivial, but it seems easier than just begging people to partner with you to make yet another phone OS. Jan 02 20:26:02 _av500_: it's amusing that it's disjoint as they recommend python/gtk for desktop and qml for mobile Jan 02 20:26:04 Which hw vendor is going to jump on this? Jan 02 20:26:39 alan_o: in theory firefoxOS should be even easier in that respect, still they don't want to do it. (they can recycle 99% of existing hw adaptation) Jan 02 20:26:53 alan_o, that's what canonical does...they show it on a Gnex. Jan 02 20:26:58 Sure there's proprietary parts, but aren't those mostly around the graphics driver, and couldn't they use the same ones? Jan 02 20:27:39 It seems like they could even use the same kernel as the Android builds. Jan 02 20:27:51 there are the proprietary userspace drivers. Jan 02 20:27:55 well, i have some good news.... Jan 02 20:28:06 * mdp braces himself Jan 02 20:28:29 there's a pile of things. RIL (modem/phone), display, ts, sensors, bt, wifi, ... Jan 02 20:28:40 power management Jan 02 20:29:42 * NishanthMenon shudders at the word :D Jan 02 20:30:14 oh hey, he just said it can use Android kenrel and drivers, so if it runs Android "then it will also work with Ubuntu and bringing up new hardware will be simple and cost effective" Jan 02 20:30:40 alan_o, yeah sure :) Jan 02 20:30:50 hey, I'm just quoting Jan 02 20:31:06 alan_o, *and* it has a great app ecosystem of crappy apps Jan 02 20:31:18 mdp: like Android and iOS! Jan 02 20:31:22 which makes it on par with the appstore/playstore ecosystems Jan 02 20:31:24 jinx! Jan 02 20:31:38 alan_o, we are aligned, I believe :) Jan 02 20:31:45 indeed :) Jan 02 20:32:07 <_av500_> dm8tbr: ubuntu or FF os is the same thing Jan 02 20:32:14 <_av500_> wrt hw adaption Jan 02 20:32:30 <_av500_> both can ride android coat tails Jan 02 20:32:43 hey guys i'm looking for beaglebone cape template kicad files and my google skills are failing. know where i can find em? Jan 02 20:32:52 <_av500_> mph__: pray tell Jan 02 20:33:03 How are they going to prevent hw vendors from introducing proprietary changes, like with Android? Is UbuntuFone going to be GPL? That'd be interesting... Jan 02 20:33:12 <_av500_> of course not Jan 02 20:33:20 boxysean: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Eagle-Library Jan 02 20:33:28 its been confirmed that it is possible to get linux to run on an unmodified ICE board Jan 02 20:33:56 <_av500_> ICE? Jan 02 20:34:07 boxysean: mranostay has an updated version at https://github.com/mranostay/Adafruit-Eagle-Library Jan 02 20:34:08 iu dont' mind putting in the hard yards to get something to work.. but when its not my area of expertise or experience, its good to know that it can be done before you start Jan 02 20:34:19 mdp: ty! Jan 02 20:36:24 Hey so I've actually got an on topic question..... Jan 02 20:36:29 http://pastebin.com/xbZ3ij95 Jan 02 20:36:35 I'm getting the above dump Jan 02 20:36:41 alan_o, we were already on topic! Jan 02 20:36:44 I figured out what the issue is. Jan 02 20:36:54 mdp: (you were, but I wasn't :) ) Jan 02 20:37:01 ok, then...we are aligned again Jan 02 20:37:10 The issue is that I'm doing a non-aligned read Jan 02 20:37:15 well, some code is doing a non-aligned read Jan 02 20:37:28 we are not aligned then Jan 02 20:37:29 it's causing a data abort, and the data abort handler is trying to handle the situation Jan 02 20:37:31 :) Jan 02 20:37:56 So then the exception handler is trying to schedule() and it's in interrupt context Jan 02 20:38:00 <_av500_> alan_o: you can do non-aligned Jan 02 20:38:00 hence the dump Jan 02 20:38:10 <_av500_> A8 supports that Jan 02 20:38:20 hmm Jan 02 20:38:23 all the time/ Jan 02 20:38:24 ? Jan 02 20:38:29 <_av500_> you just have to be aligned with the kernel on that :) Jan 02 20:38:31 even in interrupt context Jan 02 20:38:32 ? Jan 02 20:38:33 oh Jan 02 20:39:03 it's telling you that you are in a critical section and trying to handle the alignment fault... Jan 02 20:39:07 Well what's the right answer then, how do I align my data, or should I even be? It's sk_buff objects. I make a copy, and the copy isn't aligned with the ipv6 part anymore. Jan 02 20:39:16 mdp: yes, exactly that Jan 02 20:39:36 http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdxice3359 <--- ICE Industrial Communications Engine.. its very similar to the Beagle in mnay respects Jan 02 20:40:07 <_av500_> mph__: so why should it not run linux? Jan 02 20:40:39 so do I need to turn on a kernel option to allow non-aligned data, or do I need to trick the skb copy stuff into making the data aligned? Jan 02 20:40:53 _av500, the realtity is i'm not qualified to be able to tell you that.. Jan 02 20:40:55 I guess the question is what's the "right" way Jan 02 20:41:44 <_av500_> alan_o: I tend to forget the details thta mru keeps repeating to me Jan 02 20:41:51 <_av500_> but A8 can do unalinged AFAIK Jan 02 20:41:59 <_av500_> but I think you need to enable it or so Jan 02 20:42:28 _av500_: how is that supposed to work wrt bionic/libc? Jan 02 20:43:21 alan_o, regardless, you don't want things unaligned Jan 02 20:43:27 _av500_: I feel like I should make my code aligned though, since the code I introduced seems to be the only unaligned part. Jan 02 20:43:43 <_av500_> alan_o: yes Jan 02 20:43:46 so I guess we're in alignment again Jan 02 20:43:47 <_av500_> dm8tbr: no idea Jan 02 20:44:04 alan_o, you can't handle an alignment fault in an atomic section...you introduced a bug Jan 02 20:44:04 _av500_: you op status scares me Jan 02 20:44:11 please fix Jan 02 20:44:21 <_av500_> mranostay: yeah, you should be scared Jan 02 20:44:39 plus you don't want to fix stuff up in faults when you don't have to in the first place...it's costly Jan 02 20:44:46 <_av500_> yes Jan 02 20:44:47 <_av500_> align Jan 02 20:44:54 * mranostay kicks av500 Jan 02 20:44:56 *now* we are aligned Jan 02 20:44:57 Right, so even if I turned on non-aligned stuff in the menuconfig, It still wouldn't work on an arm9 or whatever Jan 02 20:44:58 * mranostay runs away Jan 02 20:45:58 hmm, so it's now to figuring out which of the skb functions/options I need to use. They're documented oh so well, and only wrong about half the time..... Jan 02 20:46:22 two trolls guard two skb functions, one always lies, the other always tells the truth..... Jan 02 20:46:45 correct, alan_o, you'd be incompatible Jan 02 20:47:17 yeah and it turns out that most of the networking stuff runs in interrupt context. Jan 02 20:47:43 and depending on which type of access...behavior is very different Jan 02 20:50:06 mdp: seems right. I bet the compiler is generating something to access the ipv6 addresses (which is where it's failing) as an 8-byte block. Accessing it by 4's doesn't fault. Jan 02 20:50:27 alan_o, read the old http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg199088.html thread for more info. Jan 02 20:50:33 ok, thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated. Jan 02 20:50:49 I'm now -1 for support given vs received for 2013 Jan 02 20:51:08 I'm behind even the lurkers on the big board. Jan 02 20:52:52 <_av500_> mdp: this thread is strange Jan 02 20:53:18 <_av500_> its about alignment and it has RMK, but no mru to argue with him Jan 02 20:53:24 <_av500_> I call fake Jan 02 20:53:27 mru is there Jan 02 20:53:44 http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg199363.html Jan 02 20:53:45 _av500_: photoshopped? Jan 02 20:54:10 <_av500_> mdp: ah Jan 02 20:54:12 <_av500_> so it is the one Jan 02 20:54:15 <_av500_> sorry then Jan 02 20:55:46 This guy has exactly the same problem as me. IP6 headers.... I wish I had found this last night. Didn't search for the right terms apparently Jan 02 20:57:03 I read it originally is the only reason I remembered it Jan 02 20:57:39 partially because I've had to code sanely to avoid unneeded faults for performance on another architecture...I found it interesting.. Jan 02 20:59:09 alan_o, we always aligned our headers even on powerpc drivers due to dma engine alignment requirements as well. Jan 02 20:59:48 'night Jan 02 20:59:48 whereas our cpu core could happily handle unaligned accesses Jan 02 21:00:08 alan_o, does your mrf driver align properly? Jan 02 21:00:24 I've always wondered about the alignment with the 14-byte ethernet header like the one guy talks about. It bugged me that we had hand-packed 32-bit structs and all, but it was all defeated by a non-aligned ethernet header. Jan 02 21:01:04 mranostay are you the brains behind one of those FPGA/CPLD boards? Jan 02 21:01:44 hello Jan 02 21:01:45 mdp: I pull stuff straight from the device into an skb, iirc. The question would be whether the IP inside 802.15.4+lowpan is aligned Jan 02 21:01:49 acutally I'm sure that it's not Jan 02 21:02:03 because the lowpan header length is variable, and sometimes just one byte. Jan 02 21:02:05 did the cape competition end? Jan 02 21:02:33 jarrettv: afaik, it ended the 31st of Dec Jan 02 21:03:09 alan_o, but you alloc those skbs and control alignment Jan 02 21:04:16 I believe there's newer macros, but take a look at drivers/net/ethernet/ibm/emac/core.c:emac_alloc_rx_skb() Jan 02 21:04:40 i guess the FPGA boards are probably useful for learning stuff. Jan 02 21:04:51 that's a mature driver that I'm familiar with is the only reason I cite it Jan 02 21:06:58 alan_o, I don't know ipv6 details, just once heard that it was designed for alignment compatibility with ipv4..maybe that's not 100% the case when you put the broken arm architecture in the mix though Jan 02 21:08:39 mdp: it's not that ip6 is the problem. It's the bytes stacked up on top of it. Jan 02 21:08:50 <_av500_> ipv8 will fix that Jan 02 21:10:11 which is closely related to aargh64 Jan 02 21:13:05 mph__: no i am not Jan 02 21:13:10 geiger cape Jan 02 21:13:18 did you enter that? Jan 02 21:14:26 i cant find the list of entrs now Jan 02 21:19:35 yeah Jan 02 21:25:43 wish the bone was cheaper Jan 02 21:26:28 <_av500_> why? Jan 02 21:27:27 i wish everything was cheaper Jan 02 21:27:28 so mdp, http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg200193.html says that "Networking stack mandates that IP headers are aligned on 4 bytes boundaries ... Some drivers are not aware of the NET_IP_ALIGN stuff. They should be fixed, or else you have alignment faults." it sounds like he's talking about me. Jan 02 21:27:39 or, alternatively, i wish i had far more disposable income. Jan 02 21:28:00 mdp: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/linux/skbuff.h?a=arm#L1584 (comment above net_ip_align) Jan 02 21:28:29 mdp: it looks like that's what I'm going to have to put in the lowpan code. I don't think it's appropriate for the mrf driver since it doesn't know about IP. Jan 02 21:30:55 note that's what we do in the ibm emac ethernet driver due to the 14 byte ethernet header...i.e. in all ethernet drivers more or less Jan 02 21:33:31 mdp: ethernet has a constant header size though. 802.15.4 + 6lowpan doesn't, and the real sizes aren't known until the lowpan code. Jan 02 21:51:29 alan_o, but it's the same issue at least Jan 02 21:52:56 mdp: yeah, it's the same idea. It's fix-it-before-it-gets-to-the-ip-stuff Jan 02 21:53:06 right Jan 02 21:59:13 alan_o: you made me look at the 802.15.4 mac header...interesting :) Jan 02 22:00:28 hehe Jan 02 22:00:39 yeah, it and he lowpan headers are all about saving bytes. Jan 02 22:02:19 It's always funny the jobs that Linkedin thinks I might be interested in Jan 02 22:02:24 you know, the interesting thing is that copying to force alignment at runtime is not even a big deal in the big picture due to the relatively low throughput of this standard Jan 02 22:02:31 though somebody will always argue that Jan 02 22:02:49 mdp: good point, I didn't even think about that part Jan 02 22:02:53 alan_o, it thinks I'm interested in living in places that the masses think are wonderful :) Jan 02 22:08:50 mdp: you don't like Boston? Jan 02 22:19:29 who can? :) Jan 02 22:19:34 accents always get me Jan 02 22:20:51 * dm8tbr throws mranostay a couple ^ and ` Jan 02 22:23:43 how dare yo Jan 02 22:23:46 *you Jan 02 22:24:44 did they get you? ;) Jan 02 22:25:28 koen: should have i received a ship notice by now? Jan 02 22:37:13 welcome robclark Jan 02 22:37:39 hiya mranostay Jan 02 22:38:36 <_av500_> uh oh Jan 02 22:38:41 <_av500_> robclark trolls here Jan 02 22:38:50 :-P Jan 02 22:38:53 <_av500_> mothers, hide your GPUs Jan 02 22:39:08 not one gpu is safe :-P Jan 02 22:39:15 (well, ok, one is..) Jan 02 22:39:45 <_av500_> you are to the GPU what the Boston strangler is to the woman alone Jan 02 22:39:51 <_av500_> not my words Jan 02 22:40:29 nice visual Jan 02 22:41:09 umm, thanks? Jan 02 22:41:25 <_av500_> :) Jan 02 22:42:02 robclark: don't mind him he really doesn't bite... much.. Jan 02 22:42:02 <_av500_> old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Strangler#In_popular_culture Jan 02 22:42:17 <_av500_> see the Valenti quote Jan 02 22:42:20 don't worry Jan 02 22:42:25 * robclark knows _av500_ Jan 02 22:42:33 <_av500_> :) Jan 02 22:42:50 robclark: i'm sorry :) Jan 02 22:43:25 <_av500_> +1 Jan 02 22:43:38 nice "Jack Valenti, former head of the MPAA compared the VCR to the Boston Strangler, by saying they had a comparable effect on the American public to the Strangler's effect on women." ah yeah Jan 02 22:43:59 murderer and someone taping a ball game same effect :) Jan 02 22:47:10 <_av500_> mranostay: I only pick the best sources :) Jan 02 22:50:51 Where is mru? Jan 02 22:51:51 alive i hope Jan 02 23:02:29 long holiday i'm guessing Jan 02 23:03:33 denix: ping Jan 02 23:07:50 robclark: so what do you do to GPUs that _av500_ claims? :) Jan 02 23:22:12 mranostay, http://freedreno.github.com/ Jan 02 23:28:46 quick everyone hide Jan 02 23:30:58 how is prpplague today? Jan 02 23:31:41 mranostay: frustrated and stressed Jan 02 23:32:09 mranostay: dealing with all the potentials of a move, new job, transitioning panda out of TI support Jan 02 23:34:09 prpplague: turn that frown upside down! Jan 02 23:35:10 prpplague: left coast? Jan 02 23:35:20 yea Jan 02 23:35:31 so storage locker in Neveda? :) Jan 02 23:35:34 *Nevada Jan 02 23:36:17 mranostay: its all the sell house/buy house thing that i am worried about Jan 02 23:36:28 prpplague: underwater? Jan 02 23:36:39 well i think everyone is Jan 02 23:37:01 mranostay: naw, just worried about getting a loan for property in california, and trying to find something in a good price range Jan 02 23:37:12 hehe 'good' price range Jan 02 23:38:16 prpplague: south bay or east bay? Jan 02 23:38:57 rent Jan 02 23:39:35 renting does make the most sense here Jan 02 23:42:39 prpplague: at least rent the first year i say Jan 02 23:44:55 prpplague, howdy neighbour! Jan 02 23:45:16 mranostay, usually an easy choice, but the market is not currently standing still Jan 03 00:12:41 mranostay: yea not sure exactly where or when yet Jan 03 00:12:52 mranostay: just the whole thing is stressing me out Jan 03 00:13:37 just sad to see all that hard work with the pandaboard slip away Jan 03 00:29:50 ;( Jan 03 00:30:21 everyone group hug for prpplague Jan 03 00:31:50 I never even got a chance to squeeze a pandaboard out of my company for dev purposes ~.~ Jan 03 00:35:03 thurbad: firesale! Jan 03 00:35:18 heh Jan 03 00:39:43 how fast will angstrom run on the pandaboard es? Jan 03 00:40:37 digikey says 1.2GHz, but I thought the non-es used to run faster than that Jan 03 00:50:30 thurbad: regular panda is 1GHz, with the correct kernel patches panda-es can do 1.6GHz Jan 03 00:50:48 (and a heat sink) Jan 03 00:51:09 ah.. so I was wrong... but not completely :P Jan 03 01:49:54 prpplague: like a r-pi heatsink :) Jan 03 01:50:04 hehe Jan 03 01:51:42 prpplague: those people remind me of the guys that rice their Honda's :) Jan 03 01:51:57 hehe Jan 03 01:52:01 indeed Jan 03 01:53:17 * ds2 waits for the 1GHz+ 8086 Jan 03 01:53:44 will that be as big as my apartment? Jan 03 01:54:03 lol, probably not ,but it'll run hot Jan 03 01:54:13 I donno how big of an apt u have ;) Jan 03 01:57:08 hmm Jan 03 01:57:46 i was going to study up for some interview questions, but ended up doing video editing for my daughters spanish project :( Jan 03 01:58:35 prpplague: http://xkcd.com/1134/ Jan 03 01:59:24 mranostay: plenty good reasoning Jan 03 01:59:47 they don't really like that in interviews Jan 03 02:10:26 back.. did i miss anything useful. Jan 03 02:11:02 we cured cancer Jan 03 02:12:49 nice, you can solve a real problem now Jan 03 02:14:04 and all it took was some PRU code :P Jan 03 02:14:17 robclarck: thanks for the really useful scripts which helped me no end getting my beagle up and runnning. Jan 03 02:14:45 you can tab complete nicks you know right? :) Jan 03 02:15:17 mranostay: but then my fingers get tired. Jan 03 02:15:26 becuase they are being lazy Jan 03 02:16:06 so, let me say again. Jan 03 02:16:15 robclark: thanks for the really useful scripts.. Jan 03 02:16:40 mranostay: how much are the parts for a gieger counter Jan 03 02:17:12 if you could get a few thousand of them out there, reporting back to a central database. Jan 03 02:17:22 you coudl have the global radiation picture. Jan 03 02:19:05 not sure the total BOM cost of the new rev Jan 03 02:19:19 can you hazard a guess? Jan 03 02:19:25 probably no more than $15-20 in low volumes Jan 03 02:19:41 oh, thats less than i had imagined Jan 03 02:19:50 is the sensor quite low cost? Jan 03 02:22:43 no the tube i'm using is $70 Jan 03 02:22:57 you can get cheap old soviet stock for $20 Jan 03 02:23:30 i got a bargin on a box of 16GB micro SD cards, Sandisk Class 10 Jan 03 02:23:36 $11 each Jan 03 02:23:43 i thought that was quite good Jan 03 02:24:45 prpplague: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/interview_questions Jan 03 02:25:43 alan_o: i love the weakness one Jan 03 02:26:16 hehe Jan 03 02:26:45 it is a trap! Jan 03 02:27:09 it is a like a question your girlfriend would ask about something Jan 03 02:29:08 sigh.. Jan 03 02:29:37 when i used to work for some mindless brainsucking multinational IT company.. i got in trouble for not asking those kind of stupid questons. Jan 03 02:29:44 i had to go to the HR department. Jan 03 02:29:51 and get a talking to.. Jan 03 02:38:06 i hate the hardest challenge one as well Jan 03 02:39:30 actually i hate all those questions Jan 03 02:40:15 5 years in the valley is a fun one... since i can almost assure you 70% of people don't stay at a company 5 years here :) Jan 03 02:48:42 the only way to get a real payrise, is to company hop Jan 03 02:48:45 once youre in a place, no one can see your increased value. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 03 02:59:59 2013