**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 03 02:59:59 2013 Jan 03 03:21:40 took out an old flash drive, and found awesome image corruption Jan 03 03:21:43 http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/8340627986 Jan 03 03:24:19 gotta love JPEGs Jan 03 03:25:03 that stuff used to happen all the time back in the binary usenet days Jan 03 03:40:30 ? for anyone who has some kind of experience on this.. how much impact can the type/size of SD card have on the general operation of the beagle Jan 03 03:41:03 is it worth putting in class 10 cards, rather than class 4 Jan 03 03:41:07 etc? Jan 03 03:42:01 depends on the card, there's really no rating board that verifies ratings Jan 03 03:42:31 i ahve put some SanDisk class 10 16GB cards in mine Jan 03 03:42:49 I've had samsung class 4's with high burst rates perform better than class 10's Jan 03 03:43:24 i'm probably more interested in relibliity than speed in teh end though. Jan 03 03:43:44 hmmm what happened to the master troll? Jan 03 03:43:51 even name brand class 10's like patriot sometimes barely live up to the class 10 name Jan 03 03:44:27 haven't seen mru since before christmas, if that's who you mean Jan 03 03:44:57 san disk is a pretty reputable sd vendor Jan 03 03:45:17 san disk is what I have the most trouble with Jan 03 03:45:22 lol. Jan 03 03:45:24 their ultra lines are wasted on a beagle though Jan 03 03:45:40 ds2, speed wise? Jan 03 03:46:13 no Jan 03 03:46:16 just working Jan 03 03:46:30 most generic ones have less issues (except for the one shipped with the xMs of course) Jan 03 03:46:58 we had some cards that we bought early on that would corrupt themselves after running for just a couple of hours... wasted investmentthere Jan 03 03:47:12 I have seen that on sandisks Jan 03 03:48:04 to be fair to san disk, I did not bother verifying they were genuine... Jan 03 03:48:19 sandisk tends to be pricey too Jan 03 03:48:32 I've never had issue with the onesI bought though Jan 03 03:48:51 did you get it from a store? Jan 03 03:48:56 yes Jan 03 03:48:58 or a amazon vendor? Jan 03 03:49:56 best buy, I almost never go there.. but had to do some one-off comparisons Jan 03 03:50:47 the card I bought booted in about 23 seconds, ournormal boot time is about 32 Jan 03 03:51:36 and the patriots weren't worth noting the boot time because they stuttered at video playback Jan 03 03:52:37 when tested the patriots did meet 10MB/s write speeds that should be the basis for a class 10 rating Jan 03 03:52:41 didn't Jan 03 03:53:27 our standard cards usually clock in at about 18 read 15 write Jan 03 03:54:45 that's doing dd on the whole 8GB image with 512kB blocksizes Jan 03 03:55:50 so not a very scientific approach for measuring speed, but good for stress testing Jan 03 04:08:23 jkridner1: HA, i knew that Wii NunChuck contest that TCT did would come in handy some day! Jan 03 05:40:37 hi Jan 03 05:40:44 hi Jan 03 05:41:46 i am going to go to oklahoma tommorrow Jan 03 05:42:04 i want to move up there Jan 03 05:42:59 more on topic i've not fired up the beagle board in a while since I oot my propeller/hydra system Jan 03 05:43:16 so you just woke up this morning and said, I think I'll move to oklahoma? Jan 03 05:43:47 hm I woke up and couldnt slepp Jan 03 05:43:51 no i got a friend lives there and i had been there to visit Jan 03 05:45:31 i have to come in here on the webchat gateway because freenode won't let me log in with my verizon ip...sasl auth needed it says Jan 03 05:45:57 or att for that matter Jan 03 05:46:00 i'm on the att now Jan 03 05:46:36 dunno why they have sasl setup that way Jan 03 05:46:54 are cell phone data users really their biggest hackers? Jan 03 05:47:12 there were supposed to be perl script to set that up properly in xchat Jan 03 05:47:20 there is, I use it Jan 03 05:48:21 what sucks is if you are sasl blocked, you are also http blocked from xchat.org Jan 03 05:48:30 where they have the information on how to use sasl Jan 03 05:48:41 really ok Jan 03 05:49:01 ya can't get there from here Jan 03 05:49:08 Russ: according to my aunt OK is doing it OK Jan 03 05:49:25 er, make that freenode.org Jan 03 05:49:33 OK Jan 03 05:50:05 i just set up a new wiki today Jan 03 05:51:07 going to have forums about the propeller and hydra parallax.com for more info on the hardware Jan 03 05:53:14 i'll be able to get DSL in oklahoma, i'm on 3g or 4g here if they ever get my router back to me Jan 03 05:59:58 geez what is with this channel? :) Jan 03 06:01:56 ? Jan 03 06:04:52 it must be a nesting period for people Jan 03 06:05:03 can we have the isp talk again? Jan 03 06:05:15 maybe the cost of living discussion? Jan 03 06:09:14 at least the talk isn't all about boring computer stuff. Jan 03 06:09:24 emeb_mac, +1 Jan 03 06:10:52 I always like the references to things that are somewhere in G+ or elsewhere that we have to ferret out :P Jan 03 06:25:19 we never talk computer stuff here :) Jan 03 06:36:44 so its time to get up Jan 03 06:37:13 till later Jan 03 07:21:11 woglinde: wb Jan 03 07:25:36 yes Jan 03 07:25:52 now I am sleepy tired Jan 03 07:26:37 woglinde, its morning there...why you sleepy tired? thats what I should be! Jan 03 07:27:00 ka6sox look in the logs when I waked up Jan 03 07:27:10 was 5 a.m. here Jan 03 07:27:30 woke up even Jan 03 07:27:48 hello fellow fioser! Jan 03 07:28:07 woglinde, too darned early Jan 03 07:28:26 so wonders if can do a ham radio test hungover Jan 03 07:28:36 ham Jan 03 07:28:37 hm Jan 03 07:28:41 so eggs Jan 03 07:30:46 yeah 8a at a firestation.. saturday.. Jan 03 07:31:02 mranostay, I did Jan 03 07:31:32 lessee..that was 1984 Jan 03 07:31:35 because judging by FB status i have to go out Friday.. at 90% sure Jan 03 07:31:42 ka6sox: wasn't even born :) Jan 03 07:31:52 whippersnapper Jan 03 07:32:47 mranostay, you have 3 days to sober up Jan 03 07:32:53 how much have you been drinking? Jan 03 07:33:03 hm I remember there was signal for strike with atom weapons Jan 03 07:33:19 ... --- ... Jan 03 07:33:24 mranostay: depends which class you're aiming at :) Jan 03 07:33:27 Russ: no mean i'll be drunk friday :) Jan 03 07:34:02 ka6sox: don't have to know CW.. whew Jan 03 07:34:10 I gotta find that Spoof of Space:1899 Jan 03 07:34:23 mranostay, I had to learn it... Jan 03 07:34:29 yeah bummer Jan 03 07:35:33 mranostay, I met my wife @ a Field Day Event... Jan 03 07:35:33 dm8tbr: just tech Jan 03 07:36:21 ka6sox: as nerdy as you? Jan 03 07:36:58 no, not really...she is a HR Person... Jan 03 07:37:25 mranostay: ah, tech... I guess even I could take that, without preparation and while drunk ;) Jan 03 07:37:32 mranostay, if my 10yr old can pass the test...YOU CAN... Jan 03 07:37:56 are YOU smarter than a 5th grader? Jan 03 07:38:00 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space:_1889 Jan 03 07:39:07 Russ someone posted a mashup done in 1899 silent movie style... Jan 03 07:39:09 it was great. Jan 03 07:39:10 ka6sox: how about a drunk 10 year old? Jan 03 07:39:33 mranostay, we don't let him stay up past 10pm. Jan 03 07:39:58 that doesn't answer my question Jan 03 07:41:21 well...he passed with missing 2 questions...and I guess he was sober....his old man was! Jan 03 07:41:24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ooo1m9A4S4Y Jan 03 07:41:30 russ ^^ Jan 03 07:41:42 ka6sox: only need 26 of 35 right? Jan 03 07:42:09 if i don't nail every "EE" related one i should just be fired :) Jan 03 07:43:46 I really like the space 1889 concept, wonder if the books are any good Jan 03 07:44:12 multiple choice? Jan 03 07:44:58 woglinde, ya Jan 03 07:45:04 all multiple guess Jan 03 07:45:49 I think the youtube video should victorianize the lines a bit Jan 03 07:46:01 ya Jan 03 07:46:29 as seen here http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2247#comic Jan 03 07:46:31 I'll have to add Maya to the list of Server Names...forgot about that one Jan 03 07:49:31 already on my list of dog names http://i.imgur.com/0OsHq.png Jan 03 07:49:53 dm8tbr, are you able to use the HF bands? Jan 03 07:50:35 is that Mulan in the background? Jan 03 07:50:54 'you can have his job' Jan 03 07:51:31 Mtn High has been making snow...I keep seeing great conditions for snowboarding Jan 03 07:52:46 looked like it already had quite a bit of snow Jan 03 07:52:54 http://www.airsites2000.com/ Jan 03 07:54:30 Blue Ridge is 25.4F Jan 03 07:56:01 I can't ski any more...so I'm going to try snowboarding Jan 03 07:57:15 I think that camera server is a DM37XX Jan 03 07:57:26 haha Jan 03 07:57:36 that's what I thought, and the first couple of days on a snowboard went well... then I tried a real run :( Jan 03 07:57:41 ka6sox why you cannt ski? Jan 03 07:58:38 snowboarding was easier on my ankles... not so much on my hips Jan 03 07:58:56 Knees are shot Jan 03 07:59:14 both are hard on knees Jan 03 07:59:59 ka6sox: fully licensed by now. CEPT2 got levelled with CEPT1. so I'm free to jam all amateur radio bands Jan 03 08:01:26 dm8tbr, w00h00! Jan 03 08:01:36 so am I ...ended up with an Extra along the way Jan 03 08:01:48 thurbad, bad to hear Jan 03 08:01:57 I was hoping to still get out there. Jan 03 08:06:15 well..there is always this: http://www.shroombob.com/SkiBob_-_Ski_Bike/skibike-home_files/tahoe-4%3A08%2816%29_1.JPG Jan 03 08:08:08 snowboarding is a little different on the knees, I guess it's more a quad workout and less side to side flex Jan 03 08:08:29 must not buy this pancake geiger tube Jan 03 08:08:42 it calls Jan 03 08:09:01 I'll tell you what calls... my bed :P Jan 03 08:10:33 Russ: you aren't helping Jan 03 08:13:42 the telltale click Jan 03 08:14:15 lool Jan 03 08:15:29 TEAR UP THE PLANKS! Jan 03 08:16:46 damn enablers :) Jan 03 08:16:52 mranostay, it wants you! Jan 03 08:17:16 what would scare me is the desire to collect radioactive substances Jan 03 08:17:45 his "shed" glows in the dark.... Jan 03 08:18:32 you should plan a trip to havasupai to prospect Jan 03 08:19:09 did you know you can own up a 1 kg of depleted uranium legally? Jan 03 08:19:33 don't see why not, it's less potent than the stuff you pull out of the ground Jan 03 08:19:42 yeah i know but people don't know that :P Jan 03 08:19:58 mranostay, its still "warm" to the touch right Jan 03 08:20:06 thought of finding a small block for ELC demo Jan 03 08:20:16 my demo for both talks is going to be same Jan 03 08:20:26 well minus a PRU clock Jan 03 08:20:57 nite Jan 03 08:20:58 will any of your tubes detect the potassium in a banana? Jan 03 08:21:36 yeah well i think the background will override it Jan 03 08:21:42 figured Jan 03 08:21:44 moin Jan 03 08:21:56 can you get someone to bring you something from fukashima? Jan 03 08:21:57 good moaning av500 Jan 03 08:22:43 he gm av500 Jan 03 08:22:51 i've wanted to do a Pripyat trip Jan 03 08:23:13 do it Jan 03 08:23:18 need to drag along a russian friend so i do get robbed or sold into white slavery :) Jan 03 08:23:19 it shouldn't be too hard to order a test source within the US. Jan 03 08:23:26 dm8tbr: i have several Jan 03 08:23:30 mranostay: do we need to bring our own NBC suits and dosimeters? Jan 03 08:23:54 dm8tbr: have you not seen my youtube videos? :) Jan 03 08:24:29 i've learned opening a smoke detector is a gray area of legality.. but you'd have to arrest every science teacher in the US Jan 03 08:24:42 hehe Jan 03 08:24:53 mranostay: u got old fiesta ware? Jan 03 08:25:01 I think I did watch them. Also I expected you to have those already. Jan 03 08:25:18 dm8tbr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hZubuBXoaY <-- in case you haven't Jan 03 08:25:44 * dm8tbr happily notes that his shiny new meta-watch works with his N950 Jan 03 08:26:06 thats not meta enough Jan 03 08:26:24 you'll have to watch it to be sure Jan 03 08:26:28 what is a meta-watch? Jan 03 08:26:42 dm8tbr: i'm thinking of making a neutron detector next :) Jan 03 08:26:54 meta-time? Jan 03 08:26:58 folded? Jan 03 08:27:06 i will not post any videos of testing that since that would ultra illegal :) Jan 03 08:27:07 woglinde: http://metawatch.myshopify.com/ - I got the 'frame' Jan 03 08:27:30 speaks BT and BLE Jan 03 08:28:11 dm8tbr: is the N950 BLE? Jan 03 08:28:42 ds2: I think the wl127x is capable, but not sure if there is a firmware to do it in the wild Jan 03 08:28:51 av500: you op'dom scares me Jan 03 08:29:09 mranostay: you keep saying that Jan 03 08:29:09 dm8tbr: are you using it in BLE mode? Jan 03 08:29:14 ds2: its not Jan 03 08:29:27 dm8tbr: not all 1271 are Jan 03 08:29:31 only later silicon Jan 03 08:29:32 ds2: no, just regular SPP Jan 03 08:29:45 dm8tbr: what's ur watch battery life like? Jan 03 08:29:45 * koen yawns Jan 03 08:30:12 gm koen Jan 03 08:30:36 gm koen Jan 03 08:31:10 ds2: received the new one yesterday, so no idea. the analogue watch I was using so far was getting up to 5 days with bt off, about 2 with bt on; the movement is quite power hungry compared to the lcd in the new one Jan 03 08:31:18 dm8tbr and where is the killer feature? Jan 03 08:32:17 woglinde: battery killer Jan 03 08:32:17 woglinde: I never miss a call/email/text-message/other-notification. it's impossible to ignore a vibrating wrist Jan 03 08:32:19 its a feature Jan 03 08:32:25 yes Jan 03 08:32:29 execellent Jan 03 08:32:38 dm8tbr: do you get RSI if I ping you every second? Jan 03 08:32:46 :p Jan 03 08:33:37 av500: is there any way to tell if the wl127x is a ble capable silicon rev? Jan 03 08:34:26 hi koen Jan 03 08:34:52 dm8tbr: driver source code should tell you Jan 03 08:35:24 there is a 4 bit field that is used to 2.2 encode revision Jan 03 08:35:31 like 3.20 :) Jan 03 08:35:34 ti magic Jan 03 08:36:28 I was kind of hoping the driver would print this to dmesg... Jan 03 08:36:42 fix the driver Jan 03 08:37:33 dm8tbr: maybe it does Jan 03 08:38:20 av500: black magic? Jan 03 08:38:30 vodoo Jan 03 08:38:48 bring out your puppets Jan 03 08:39:02 i don't have any puppets!!?? Jan 03 08:39:29 av500: btw thanks for bring in the new year nicely :) Jan 03 08:41:04 jkridner1: hey Boris has a post that is sure to short out a bone :) Jan 03 08:41:34 unless the ds1307 does logic level shifting which i know it doesn't.. Jan 03 08:45:18 mranostay: I got told its too guys cliche Jan 03 08:45:28 who cares? Jan 03 08:45:32 :) Jan 03 08:45:40 that is what guys like i'm sorry Jan 03 08:46:04 yes, but I have a mixed audience :) Jan 03 08:46:18 *g* Jan 03 08:46:26 hm so what todo today Jan 03 08:46:32 yawn Jan 03 08:46:49 started that here and it does not look like I am stopping any time soon Jan 03 08:47:03 3 half days of snowbaording and I need rehab Jan 03 08:47:57 apres ski Jan 03 08:48:07 not so much Jan 03 08:48:13 $20: http://dx.com/p/u2-mini-android-4-0-network-multi-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-black-4gb-ddr-iii-1gb-145864 Jan 03 08:48:15 thats the error Jan 03 08:48:24 you get 5GHz for the price of a Bone Jan 03 08:49:14 allwinner Jan 03 08:49:19 again Jan 03 08:49:21 allsleeper Jan 03 08:49:26 * mranostay nods off Jan 03 08:49:29 woglinde: yes, its a winner Jan 03 08:50:06 av500 where do you see 5 ghz? Jan 03 08:50:08 does it have the codes? Jan 03 08:50:15 only b/g/n support Jan 03 08:51:18 hmm..possibly bad sign, 'customers who bought this item also bought' 'breathalyzer keychain' Jan 03 08:51:23 or did you mean 1.5 ghz Jan 03 08:51:24 woglinde: 5x$20 = 1 Bone Jan 03 08:51:41 oh, its 1.5GHz Jan 03 08:51:48 so 7.5GHz in the end :) Jan 03 08:51:53 6.5 Jan 03 08:52:08 lets make a rack Jan 03 08:52:37 yes Jan 03 08:53:28 with usbnet Jan 03 08:53:30 hjaha Jan 03 08:54:48 boo! Jan 03 08:54:54 did i scare ya? Jan 03 08:56:52 whoooa Jan 03 08:56:54 nope Jan 03 09:13:43 good morning fellow trolls Jan 03 09:14:51 gm panto Jan 03 09:14:55 troll troll Jan 03 09:15:02 your boat Jan 03 09:15:16 boar? Jan 03 09:15:28 bear works too Jan 03 09:15:34 bear bear bear Jan 03 09:16:35 is it safe to admit that you use a distro other than angstrom here? Jan 03 09:18:57 who? Jan 03 09:20:29 mph_: not really Jan 03 09:20:46 lol.. even if it works nicely for you Jan 03 09:21:09 :-) Jan 03 09:22:41 so, admit it then Jan 03 09:23:18 i have 4 beagles, 3 running debian and 1 with the default Jan 03 09:37:31 and? Jan 03 09:38:27 is almost friday... Jan 03 09:41:56 maybee Jan 03 10:47:52 av500: so the documentation is worth $50 Jan 03 10:50:57 besides that I assume those allwinner devices are illegal in most countries because of missing licences for hdmi and similiar. Jan 03 10:53:37 I have an 800x600@60Hz mode that works. When I try to use the same register settings in u-boot, my display cries out about the signal being out of range. Should just be a matter of letting the u-boot panel_config use the same settings dispc.c does? Jan 03 10:54:01 The default timings in beagle.h makes my display happy Jan 03 11:05:44 tasslehoff: same timing should have same result Jan 03 11:08:48 av500: yep. must hunt ghosts in the machine then. Jan 03 11:09:09 maybe different clocks Jan 03 11:19:14 tasslehoff: check the clocks Jan 03 11:19:24 if you have a scope, check the pixel clock Jan 03 11:19:32 or dump DSS regs and compare Jan 03 11:26:48 av500: yep. Jan 03 11:31:48 aholler_: you are back here :) Jan 03 11:40:08 just for curiosity ;) Jan 03 11:40:50 or :( Jan 03 11:44:03 pixel clock 72MHz in u-boot, 40MHz in !u-boot. details, details... Jan 03 11:45:15 don't know how I have to judge the demise of the omaps. Jan 03 11:54:58 * tasslehoff wants an online calculator for dss timings / register values Jan 03 11:54:58 maybe everything will become better with sitara chips. at least for non-tablets or phones. Jan 03 11:57:51 or keystone Jan 03 11:59:36 I wonder what are the differences between omapand sitara/keystone, besides the name ;) Jan 03 12:08:53 (and ti's internal departments) Jan 03 12:12:26 maybe just the availability in low quantities and samples Jan 03 12:12:34 ;) Jan 03 12:56:21 hrm, beowulf cluster of U2s Jan 03 13:11:04 mdp, beowulf cluster of spy planes? Jan 03 13:11:18 yes Jan 03 13:11:26 hammer of the gods Jan 03 13:11:32 mph__, shh, I don't run Angstrom either Jan 03 13:11:40 I run Linux Jan 03 13:11:46 mdp, not Ubuntu? Jan 03 13:12:00 aholler_: I know the answer! Jan 03 13:12:17 bradfa: I am Ubuntu-enabled too Jan 03 13:12:33 mdp: I wouldn't have thought that ;) Jan 03 13:12:50 mdp, so going to the dark side, eh? Jan 03 13:12:52 aholler_: omap didn't go anywhere ;) Jan 03 13:13:04 mdp, next we'll see you in #raspberrypi and writing kernel code for Broadcom, eh? Jan 03 13:13:13 bradfa, I've always run debian->ubuntu Jan 03 13:13:26 bradfa, just not with mark's crazy UI Jan 03 13:13:33 mdp: for which meaning of "go"? Jan 03 13:13:47 mdp, error: pointers don't work that way Jan 03 13:14:21 * bradfa runs with -Wextra -Werror Jan 03 13:14:27 aholler_: without going to crazy..I think it's safe to summarize the difference between sitara/omap/keystone as "they are all different purpose built SoCs" Jan 03 13:14:35 it's not just a name Jan 03 13:15:45 what's in a name? Jan 03 13:15:53 e.g. am335x can do things that omap5 cannot...and vice versa Jan 03 13:16:08 like have an Ethernet MAC Jan 03 13:16:15 sure Jan 03 13:16:29 think more like industrial protocols too Jan 03 13:16:33 but sure Jan 03 13:17:00 forget all the marketing names that blur the common technical heritage Jan 03 13:17:04 aholler_, are omaps really in demise now? Jan 03 13:17:44 I don't know, as an non-internal I only receive rumors from the web Jan 03 13:18:04 aholler_, the omap demise rumor hasn't been on the web for a while, seems to not want to come true Jan 03 13:18:05 aholler_: I find it amusing when people say they are in demise while we are making new OMAP parts and have a linux team to write code for them. Jan 03 13:18:10 s/hasn't/has/ Jan 03 13:18:41 I know I'm going to be spending more time on OMAP RSN Jan 03 13:18:55 mdp, tizen phone? Jan 03 13:19:15 bradfa, "We've already got one!" Jan 03 13:19:33 mdp, if TI makes a boottogecko phone, I'll buy one Jan 03 13:19:41 I thought those 1.700 less people gave those rumors some substance. Jan 03 13:19:45 currently rocking an early 2000s Nokia Jan 03 13:19:49 think Jacinto5 Jan 03 13:20:19 funny how people think TI would 'make a phone' while all they produce are SoCs Jan 03 13:20:32 aholler_: it takes a lot of people just to make the latest mobile phone soc and write all the s/w for the oems Jan 03 13:20:56 dm8tbr, it's figurative Jan 03 13:21:02 my understanding is that omap is specifically the "mobile" chip line Jan 03 13:21:07 but on the other side, the kernel-development for omaps/sitara/keystone might become more stable without several hundred people feeding patches Jan 03 13:21:14 mdp, I missed Jacinto5 news, good to see TI getting wins Jan 03 13:21:21 dm8tbr: they do far more than just make an SoC...as do most/all semis for some time Jan 03 13:21:42 otherwise there wouldn't be s/w people here Jan 03 13:21:52 mdp: sure, still not a 'customer product' :) Jan 03 13:22:05 we can sell you a calculator! Jan 03 13:22:17 mdp, hmmm Jan 03 13:22:20 omap5430 powered speak and spell? Jan 03 13:22:27 mdp, z80 calculator? Jan 03 13:22:34 PRUcalc Jan 03 13:23:02 I'm thinking about buying a CC2541DK-SENSOR ;) Jan 03 13:23:17 mdp, my wife's a math teacher, she's fond of http://xkcd.com/768/ Jan 03 13:23:53 aholler_: buy 20M units..send my babies to college :) Jan 03 13:24:22 no chance as I have to write drivers for it Jan 03 13:24:24 ;) Jan 03 13:24:40 so I just would by work Jan 03 13:24:41 we only sell the silicon! remember?!? Jan 03 13:24:46 one trick pony Jan 03 13:24:56 as usual ;) Jan 03 13:25:30 mdp, TI: we sell silicon (now also with errata!) Jan 03 13:25:57 at least I haven't seen a bluetooth aware hid-sensors ;) Jan 03 13:26:20 but I think the necessary patches aren Jan 03 13:26:26 t that much Jan 03 13:26:27 bradfa, unpossible...the silicon process has a testbench developed along with it...so there are no bugs Jan 03 13:26:35 bradfa, unlike s/w best practices :) Jan 03 13:26:45 * bradfa rofl Jan 03 13:27:08 bradfa, I was laughing about this the other day...how structured that process is and yet how poor the test bench vectors end up being regardless Jan 03 13:27:31 it tell you there's little hope for s/w Jan 03 13:27:45 coffee break..bbl Jan 03 13:27:50 mdp, my favorite errata from am335x are RTC doesn't work when only the RTC has power and that the NMIn interrupt logic is reversed Jan 03 13:29:45 use an usb-rtc ;) Jan 03 13:31:22 with 3.9 that might even be possible out of the box with mainline sources ;) Jan 03 13:32:25 bradfa: the suspend/resume and rtc stuff was rewritten and posted this week against 3.8rc1 Jan 03 13:32:34 bradfa: maybe that will finally work :) Jan 03 13:33:57 bradfa: aiui the 'A4' on my desk that arrived this week should have all the hwmod for 'rtc-only' Jan 03 13:34:16 bradfa: I'm led to believe you should have received a similar board :) Jan 03 13:35:41 koen, heh, is that the change? :) Jan 03 13:37:20 panto: I think so, I remember gerald talking about it earlier Jan 03 13:37:30 our hw guy is on vacation Jan 03 13:37:36 as is gerald Jan 03 13:46:59 koen, don't think gerald has sent mine yet, atleast I've not gotten it yet Jan 03 13:47:15 koen, but yes, I'm looking forward to subarctic updates to fix that, along with all the other changes :) Jan 03 13:49:56 btw. vaux2 (for beagle-usb) and a fix for the usb-muxing (conflict with serial) on beagles is still missing in mainline Jan 03 13:51:31 but I don't know if the none-bone-beagles are still supported. Jan 03 13:55:17 and something else necessary for ehci in >3.2.x which I haven't found Jan 03 14:03:19 koen: gerald is back. Jan 03 14:12:28 bradfa: the usb errata is my favorite. especially amusing when you get to see the email train on it Jan 03 14:13:18 i get sometimes emails like that Jan 03 14:13:41 that went through 20 people Jan 03 14:13:51 and it takes 5 minutes to do the change requested Jan 03 14:13:54 koen, I can imagine :) Jan 03 14:13:59 thankfully, I don't use/like USB :) Jan 03 14:15:05 which is kinda hard if one has nothing else ;) Jan 03 14:19:44 mdp, koen, panto: is there an easier way to set panel timings than editing da8xx-fb.c? Jan 03 14:19:52 by easier, I mean run-time. Jan 03 14:19:57 or boot-time Jan 03 14:20:28 maybe dt Jan 03 14:21:32 the timings don't seem to have a dt binding... Jan 03 14:21:40 the dt bindings I see simply specify the panel. Jan 03 14:22:24 I'm also wondering if someone has been able to try robclark's patches Jan 03 14:23:07 koen: thanks for pulling in the chalk electronics patch. Jan 03 14:24:49 I'm guessing I'll need to send a similar patch to get my motorola atrix lapdock working with an HDMI cape. Jan 03 14:30:49 jkridnerdt can do that Jan 03 14:31:05 err, jkridner, can do that Jan 03 14:31:20 oh? Jan 03 14:31:27 I think there are panel bindings Jan 03 14:31:32 * panto looks Jan 03 14:32:16 * jkridner looks at https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1661661/ Jan 03 14:32:43 guess I just need to see if I have that patch. Jan 03 14:32:52 yeah, that's it for da8xx Jan 03 14:33:01 or move to the drm driver? Jan 03 14:33:15 the drm driver would be best Jan 03 14:34:46 drm driver isn't merged into http://github.com/beagleboard/kernel yet :( Jan 03 14:35:16 has anyone tried it yet? Jan 03 14:35:42 robclark has Jan 03 14:35:42 I guess I could spend my time playing with it rather than merging in additional panel timings. Jan 03 14:35:53 anyone else? Jan 03 14:36:05 robclark: is it ready for me to try out? Jan 03 14:38:42 mdp: btw. I recently was asked about a soc for some industrial thing which can play videos (on a small lcd). (besides having usb & bluetooth). I couldn't give an answer what to use. I think the industrial users are currently having a hard time. Jan 03 14:40:12 (in regard to buy 20M units) ;) Jan 03 14:42:22 reminds me at times when they had a problem because simple vga-chips disappeared Jan 03 14:43:44 aholler_, the problem with industrial users is that they like to use cheap consumer devices, but they get upset when their cheap device either stops being produced or gets very expensive because the consumer has moved on Jan 03 14:44:53 can I assume https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1876741/ won't work with https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.7/patches/hdmi ? Jan 03 14:45:28 aholler_: isn't am335x a good fit for that? Jan 03 14:45:57 panto: hmm, they had to buy ti-dsps for $70 more than listed ;) Jan 03 14:46:49 some years ago when they were unavailable. so I don't think they want to buy only cheap consumer hw Jan 03 14:46:54 aholler_, so if they care they should do the right thing and design with non-consumer SoCs :) Jan 03 14:47:09 panto: if available Jan 03 14:47:21 everything is available for the right price Jan 03 14:47:30 (and with working drivers) Jan 03 14:47:42 aholler_: omap3 can play video, no? Jan 03 14:47:49 aka the DM part Jan 03 14:47:55 hey, kernel hackers need to earn a living too :) Jan 03 14:48:22 yes, but sadly they don't want to pay me to write drivers for everything Jan 03 14:48:27 ;) Jan 03 14:49:17 aholler_, hehe Jan 03 14:49:49 so I've just refused the project Jan 03 14:53:50 as I can't estimate how much time would be needed to write the necessary sw (including a working kernel) :( Jan 03 14:54:26 aholler_, tell them to go T&M Jan 03 14:55:02 aholler_: what SoC? Jan 03 14:55:52 av500: don't know. I don't know any with a stable kernel Jan 03 14:56:35 ? Jan 03 14:58:05 arm-kernels are still a mess. Jan 03 14:58:23 at least for small teams Jan 03 14:59:51 they can't handle the necessary work needed to maintain them for several years as necessary in the industry. Jan 03 15:01:34 and in those connected times they can't stick for years to the same kernel Jan 03 15:02:37 they will have to pay for it someway Jan 03 15:02:45 either go with a commercial vendor Jan 03 15:02:58 still, nothing is free Jan 03 15:04:21 which commercial vendors are offering a maintained kernel for several years? Jan 03 15:04:34 non that I'm aware of Jan 03 15:04:54 they all have the same problem Jan 03 15:06:18 one-shot hw with some kernel with vendor-patches. Jan 03 15:06:40 well, business models got to change in this day and age Jan 03 15:06:49 yes Jan 03 15:07:24 and it won't change by customer bitching about the way things used to be Jan 03 15:07:29 *customers Jan 03 15:07:42 jkridner: what is https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8/patches/drm ? Jan 03 15:07:50 jkridner: according to you those aren't drm patches Jan 03 15:07:58 panto: I've just watched the 29c3-video about scada, scarry stuff ;) Jan 03 15:08:19 I've only been looking at 3.7 Jan 03 15:08:19 life was simpler back then, when you could design some crappy gizmo with a 8051 and sell it for 20+ years Jan 03 15:08:26 I thought we were trying to get 3.7 done first. Jan 03 15:08:50 3.7 is pretty much frozen Jan 03 15:08:57 argh. Jan 03 15:08:57 something like drm won't be merged into that Jan 03 15:09:08 koen: which one are we going to use for release? Jan 03 15:09:08 which I have said during the past 3 or 4 confcalls Jan 03 15:09:14 jkridner, ain't life at the cutting edge grand? :( Jan 03 15:09:23 not clearly enough apparently. Jan 03 15:09:25 not my fault people don't listen during confcalls Jan 03 15:09:52 the 3.7 tree will be used (capebus) Jan 03 15:09:57 anyway, I'm working through issues that require fixing ahead of release. Jan 03 15:10:00 where do I fix them. Jan 03 15:10:05 the 3.8 tree will have not-capebus Jan 03 15:10:16 good HDMI support is needed in the release. Jan 03 15:10:33 which kinda leans towards getting in DRM, but maybe not. Jan 03 15:10:46 I have never been able to get hdmi working from sources I could build myself Jan 03 15:10:50 lots of functional gaps still in the 3.7. Jan 03 15:10:54 and I refuse to use magic binaries Jan 03 15:10:57 I have. Jan 03 15:11:13 the current code builds HDMI that works, but the timings are off. Jan 03 15:11:25 If you'd just like timings that work, I can put those in. Jan 03 15:11:34 then it won't be magic anymore. Jan 03 15:11:54 "timings are off" is the same as "not working" Jan 03 15:11:56 I was just trying to figure out if it is better to add the timings or bring in something that actually uses EDID properly. Jan 03 15:12:03 so if you can make it work, please send a patch Jan 03 15:12:04 agreed. Jan 03 15:12:17 k, I'll get it to work for 720p. Jan 03 15:12:24 but drm is too invasive for 3.7 IMO Jan 03 15:12:34 and, fyi, the error is in the timigns. Jan 03 15:12:54 k. any other way to get dynamic timings based off of EDID? Jan 03 15:13:02 lots of monitors won't work if EDID isn't respected. Jan 03 15:13:22 720p in mandated by the hdmi spec Jan 03 15:13:40 so if the timings conform to the spec... Jan 03 15:13:59 some monitors don't. Jan 03 15:14:27 I'm willing to settle for "good enough" Jan 03 15:16:03 that reminds me, I updated my 4.7 toolchain, maybe that will be able to build a kernel that boots Jan 03 15:18:35 aholler_: what jkridner said...just depends on the s/w reqmts...when I was consulting we'd just assess the portions of the vendor code that the customer needed and ignore the rest Jan 03 15:19:09 koen, it's not a self-contained driver? Jan 03 15:19:53 mdp: lcdc-drm is, but as you might expect, it conflicts with da8xx-fb Jan 03 15:20:29 the kernel has tried and true methods to resolve conflicts Jan 03 15:20:35 and it lacks capebus bindings Jan 03 15:20:50 well, panto isn't doing anything else important... :) Jan 03 15:20:50 so we get EDID, but need to drop display capes Jan 03 15:21:12 I hate to see people throwing good money after FB Jan 03 15:21:14 I'd rather have people work on drm+not-capebus in 3.8 Jan 03 15:21:16 mdp, I'm getting around to it Jan 03 15:21:26 today is the day I'm going to post the !capebus patches Jan 03 15:21:35 panto, work on free software faster! Jan 03 15:21:35 mdp: I've just decided to not touch arm-linux-stuff for small companies. Jan 03 15:21:38 and bask in the glow of the flamethrowers Jan 03 15:21:46 but if someone can get capebus+drm working well in 3.7 I can be persuaded to merge it Jan 03 15:21:54 aholler_: setting expectations can be difficult with many/most customers Jan 03 15:22:06 panto: dynamically loadable dt fragments? Jan 03 15:22:12 jkridner, yeah Jan 03 15:22:16 cool! Jan 03 15:22:32 it does what you mean! (DWIM) Jan 03 15:23:48 anybody here that's going to ELC interested in a "testing" BOF? e.g. best practices, brainstorming better ways to test drivers, etc? I'm willing to lead it off if anybody wants to chat that stuff f2f. Jan 03 15:23:55 it needs a catchier name Jan 03 15:23:59 Sapplings? Jan 03 15:24:14 mdp: sounds like catnip for prpplague Jan 03 15:24:21 needs more T&A Jan 03 15:24:32 hehe...T&A indeed Jan 03 15:24:41 Test&Awareness Jan 03 15:24:49 mmhmm Jan 03 15:24:52 I can get you more TSA if you want Jan 03 15:24:54 every would go to a T&A session Jan 03 15:24:59 *everyone Jan 03 15:25:08 T&A at the Trolling Massage Room Jan 03 15:26:00 hmm, start the session with explaining that drivers can be both, modules and statically linked ;) Jan 03 15:26:16 aholler_: wha? unpossible Jan 03 15:27:26 I take "monolithic" to heart. Jan 03 15:37:41 If I attended ELC I'd attend a Trolling & Awesomeness BOF Jan 03 15:37:54 bradfa, *sigh* Jan 03 15:38:07 * mdp senses no interest in testing :) Jan 03 15:38:11 mdp, or Testing, which ever was scheduled Jan 03 15:38:22 I noticed the operative word, *if* Jan 03 15:38:24 mdp, I'm actually very interested in learning how to test things Jan 03 15:38:29 me too :) Jan 03 15:38:32 mdp, I won't be attending ELC Jan 03 15:38:40 thus the "if" Jan 03 15:38:43 so you will not learn to test Jan 03 15:38:48 nor will I Jan 03 15:39:06 mdp, hence my recent whining about Unity test framework on G+ Jan 03 15:39:08 I'm hoping to get in a room with some smart people and learn something Jan 03 15:39:19 mdp, IRC isn't that room Jan 03 15:39:24 ? Jan 03 15:40:00 testing depends largely about what to test Jan 03 15:40:22 just compiling using different configs might be a good starting point Jan 03 15:40:23 aholler_, mdp, I'm interested in testing drivers when I don't have hardware available or the hardware doesn't yet act like it should Jan 03 15:41:02 I was thinking about how people test their kernels in general..it's been the same problem when I had to validate stuff as a 3rd party developer, or for upstream, or a semi does for their vendor code release Jan 03 15:41:14 aholler_: and granted there are many aspects Jan 03 15:41:29 mdp, that's similar enough of a desire to mine that I'd learn a lot from a discussion of it Jan 03 15:41:56 so, as a BoF, the idea is to throw up some highlights...present two slides on what I'm working on for better spi/i2c testing, and then see what other gaps people see or what they do Jan 03 15:42:31 prpplague: want to participate in such a BoF? Jan 03 15:42:57 mdp: indeed Jan 03 15:43:02 you're the only person I know that's going to ELC :) Jan 03 15:43:11 ok, it's a date! :) Jan 03 15:44:23 hmm, kazakhstan is the new memphis Jan 03 15:44:29 * koen refreshes ups site again Jan 03 15:45:12 koen: hey bud long time no see, been on holiday or is clint just working you hard? Jan 03 15:45:33 use a fuzzying spi/i2c-client ;) Jan 03 15:46:13 prpplague: both Jan 03 15:48:27 koen: hehe Jan 03 15:51:43 what BoF is this? Jan 03 15:52:19 omg FRI2 email Jan 03 15:53:11 that mail arrived here the week before christmas. last I checked it still hadn't arrived though. Jan 03 15:53:30 its like rpi Jan 03 15:53:33 just more professional Jan 03 15:53:55 and this time it's intel hw without a fan... Jan 03 15:55:37 I have a 5v 2A power supply that outputs on a USB A port, I need a USB A to beaglebone power adapter, anyone know where I might come by one since beaglebone restricts the power input on the USB port? Jan 03 15:55:43 i need a space heater Jan 03 15:56:06 trelane, just cut a mini USB cable and splice in Jan 03 15:56:34 more panto spam i mean email Jan 03 15:56:58 trelane, or buy a barrel plug wall wart for like $10 Jan 03 15:58:41 $10 is overpaying Jan 03 15:58:51 bradfa, trying to avoid this for environmental (liquid ingress/outdoor) reasons Jan 03 15:58:51 $10 buys you a USB hub with a 5V/2A Jan 03 15:59:08 trelane: the beagle is in the rain? Jan 03 15:59:14 and you worry about the plug? Jan 03 15:59:29 av500, the cord would be potentially exposed to mosture, it's an agricultural project Jan 03 15:59:39 ??? Jan 03 15:59:40 they stink if wet Jan 03 15:59:40 the plugs would not be exposed to moisture Jan 03 15:59:43 the cord enters the board Jan 03 15:59:54 av500, the cord also isn't 0 length :) Jan 03 15:59:54 so, put the splice on the dry side Jan 03 16:00:03 s/stink/smell/ Jan 03 16:00:18 also, why is your PSU no on the dry side? Jan 03 16:00:24 trelane, is buying a wall wart that does the job not an option? Jan 03 16:00:37 you are sure the power supply likes the rain? Jan 03 16:00:47 trelane, or is commenting out the part of the board-file that restricts the OPP mode when sensing USB power not an option? Jan 03 16:00:52 av500, the psu is 7000K, and 93 million miles away :) Jan 03 16:01:21 aholler_: I look forward to your implementation Jan 03 16:01:29 that should keep it dry Jan 03 16:02:11 mdp: I thought I'm the customer Jan 03 16:02:15 no Jan 03 16:02:26 aholler_: you know too much to be one Jan 03 16:02:33 aholler_: I'm not longer customer facing...we have other people to talk to you Jan 03 16:02:59 this gives me time to grow a neckbeard Jan 03 16:03:02 aholler_: prepare a short statement explaiing your "use case" Jan 03 16:03:21 nothing fancy, a few animated slides... Jan 03 16:03:30 attach it on e2e Jan 03 16:03:38 +1 Jan 03 16:03:48 so people can "like" it Jan 03 16:03:54 av500, I have a solar charger, that has to go up on the roof of the greenhouse, the cable will run down from there, the solar charger is up away from moisture, and the roof is watertight that it's under, the beaglebone will be on the side of a 500+ gallon tank of water (and fish) Jan 03 16:04:04 and? Jan 03 16:04:09 where is the problem? Jan 03 16:04:13 "like it" will forever be a coldstone creamery size to me Jan 03 16:04:19 no tape around Jan 03 16:04:20 trelane: read the log files, I posted a link to ebay yesterday @ $1.99 Jan 03 16:04:26 I'd like to avoid splices if possible (a: allows me to use COTS, b: reliability) Jan 03 16:04:29 for a usb to dc jack Jan 03 16:04:33 jonand, I just joined 3 minutes ago Jan 03 16:04:36 or I would :) Jan 03 16:04:56 this channel is archived by some bot iirc Jan 03 16:04:59 well, keep the splice on the dry side Jan 03 16:05:15 there where you keep the beagle itself Jan 03 16:05:18 jonand, is there any chance you could find me that link again? Jan 03 16:05:23 heck, solder it to the beagle even Jan 03 16:06:03 http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-A-to-5-5mm-Barrel-Connector-Jack-DC-Power-Cable-/170643272152?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item27bb21b1d8 Jan 03 16:06:16 awesome, buying 10, thanks Jan 03 16:06:21 av500: if he knew how to solder, do you think he would ask? Jan 03 16:06:38 jonand, you'd be surprised Jan 03 16:06:54 jonand: I know how to solder, I do not like splices Jan 03 16:07:03 * trelane has 2 metcals on his desk in the lab Jan 03 16:07:16 ooh. I like metcal! Jan 03 16:07:25 * trelane also has a testing station running on a teensy that died over a weekend and set a project back a month because of a splice that gave when someone moved the project Jan 03 16:07:45 haven't been at places that can afford them for some years though.. :/ Jan 03 16:07:47 jonand: I like them, the hakko's are as good for 1/10th the price Jan 03 16:07:54 bradfa: btw, you weren't far off the mark wrt "need to make a phone"...consider that 2 of 3 remaining significant players in the phone soc market are also phone OEMs. :) Jan 03 16:07:55 jonand: Technicolor Lab Services Jan 03 16:08:00 mdp, where is the facebook, 'gotta have it' button? Jan 03 16:08:07 Russ, :) Jan 03 16:08:25 jonand: the guy that runs our lab had 30 years experience and I've learned from him to avoid "hacks" and spend money instead because we don't have to go to a customer and explain that we broke it Jan 03 16:08:27 trelane: that said, check if the dc jack on the beagle* is 2.1 or 2.5mm Jan 03 16:09:07 things changed in 30 years. it's not like you have time to wait these days... Jan 03 16:09:09 each time I need to power a beagle, I take the PSU from some old $1500 TI EVM Jan 03 16:09:10 mdp, that came to mind, TI could lead the "Not Google, not Ubuntu, not Microsoft, not Apple" phone market! Think of the userbase! Jan 03 16:09:15 av500: lol Jan 03 16:09:40 Tizen for the kill! :P Jan 03 16:09:49 ubntutuOS Jan 03 16:09:53 bradfa, maybe qualcomm or nvidia before they die Jan 03 16:10:18 jonand: that is the part Jan 03 16:10:33 mdp, qualcomm, maybe. I have no idea what nvidia is doing these days Jan 03 16:11:00 nvidia has nothing unique other than GPU IP Jan 03 16:11:12 TI should make a Firefox Phone (Fone?) Jan 03 16:11:20 mdp, that's what I thought Jan 03 16:11:38 bradfa, we no longer have relevant socs to design-in something new..so forget about TI :) Jan 03 16:12:06 I'd think nvidia is most scared of Intel and AMD these days, what with Intel starting to measure power consumption and have decent grahpics and AMD seems to have jumped on the ARM shark and they still have ATI which has learned how to send patches Jan 03 16:12:34 bradfa: there are reports of INTEL wanting to shut out 2rd party GPUs Jan 03 16:12:37 3rd* Jan 03 16:12:43 av500, wouldn't surprise me Jan 03 16:12:53 2nd person is the best writing style, though, don't discount it Jan 03 16:13:19 av500, since Apple can do reasonable resolution with Intel graphics, do I really want to pay for someone else's GPU? Jan 03 16:13:49 bradfa: well, apple cares about the GPU on the iphone and ipad Jan 03 16:14:01 although the nouveau (sp?) driver works nice on my 7 year old Dell now :) Jan 03 16:14:03 and that GPU is "good enough" by definition Jan 03 16:14:14 av500, but is that nvidia IP or someone else? Jan 03 16:14:20 nobody will write a game that does not work Jan 03 16:14:28 bradfa: IMGTEC so far Jan 03 16:14:45 if I was aapl, I would buy imgtec Jan 03 16:14:52 bradfa, some whispering from suit types that left nvidia is that they are in trouble going forward...pretty much for the reasons that others have exited that market Jan 03 16:15:04 PC market dead Jan 03 16:15:10 T2 and T3 not gaining traction Jan 03 16:15:10 av500, they have the cash, but I'd venture they'd make their own with it rather than buy a big player, or buy a bunch of smaller players and make their own Jan 03 16:15:21 wow, mk802ish allwinnerbox for $20 on dx.com now Jan 03 16:15:25 yes Jan 03 16:15:39 the r-pi killer Jan 03 16:15:40 mdp, nvidia has some nice stuff with CUDA, I think Jan 03 16:15:41 finally Jan 03 16:15:44 http://dx.com/p/u2-mini-android-4-0-network-multi-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-black-4gb-ddr-iii-1gb-145864 Jan 03 16:15:48 but that's not a huge market Jan 03 16:15:48 bradfa: who cares for CUDA? Jan 03 16:15:54 av500, I expect them to push for automotive harder Jan 03 16:15:55 can you write code for it? Jan 03 16:15:55 av500, exactly Jan 03 16:15:59 I cant Jan 03 16:16:01 including psu, cables and wifi. pretty neat. Jan 03 16:16:01 av500, me, no Jan 03 16:16:31 mdp: like the Nvidia Jacinto? :) Jan 03 16:16:31 Intel's got their own million x86 cores (with LINUX!) on a PCI card now anyways Jan 03 16:16:35 yep Jan 03 16:16:42 compared to atmel, ST, FSL, and TI though, I can't imagine anybody taking nvidia seriously if they try to enter the industrial space. Jan 03 16:16:44 omg, jonmasters is dead Jan 03 16:16:45 av500: hi troll Jan 03 16:16:54 wtf Jan 03 16:16:57 at least he left the server :) Jan 03 16:16:59 av500, wtf? Jan 03 16:17:02 ah, k Jan 03 16:17:05 av500, omg! Jan 03 16:17:05 [17:16:35] <-- jonmasters has left this server (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). Jan 03 16:17:06 don't troll so hard Jan 03 16:17:17 did boston get nuked? Jan 03 16:17:18 miata crashes or something was first thing that came to mind Jan 03 16:17:24 with his OCD on redundancy that must mean serious trouble :) Jan 03 16:17:31 redundancy is hard when driving Jan 03 16:17:48 av500, yeah, I figured he had redundant znc servers around the globe and in orbit Jan 03 16:17:54 yep Jan 03 16:18:05 secret payload on the mars misson Jan 03 16:18:06 mission Jan 03 16:18:08 av500, and 5 spare miatas stashed at offsite locations in case one dies Jan 03 16:18:15 mdp, nvidia and industrial don't go in the same sentence Jan 03 16:18:30 bradfa, that's why I say, you can't just pop in there Jan 03 16:18:52 this week we do industrial, please edit all the temp ranges in the data sheets :( Jan 03 16:18:54 :) Jan 03 16:19:00 everybody figures they can slap canbus and maybe pci on their mobile processor and jump into IVI/ADAS land Jan 03 16:19:28 we had customer ask for 5 hour battery life at -40 C on a lithium... Jan 03 16:19:35 sure Jan 03 16:19:38 make it a big one Jan 03 16:19:53 the bigger the better Jan 03 16:19:53 av500, yah Jan 03 16:20:15 like battery arrays at a ham field day ;) Jan 03 16:20:24 mdp, very cold ham field day Jan 03 16:23:10 * mdp wants to see a TizenSamsungPhone vs. UbuntuShuttlePhone grudge match...fight! Jan 03 16:23:32 "I've got 3 more apps that nobody wants than you!" Jan 03 16:23:39 rap battle? Jan 03 16:23:45 hehe..yes Jan 03 16:23:52 mdp: nooooo Jan 03 16:23:56 its all HTML5 Jan 03 16:23:59 soooo many apps Jan 03 16:24:03 cross platform Jan 03 16:24:06 beautiful Jan 03 16:24:12 av500, web apps are first class citizens! Jan 03 16:24:23 yes Jan 03 16:24:27 just like ios Jan 03 16:24:32 they bathe in donkey milk every day Jan 03 16:24:45 mmm Jan 03 16:24:52 too bad it's 3 month old milk Jan 03 16:25:24 donkey cheese! Jan 03 16:25:35 \o/ Jan 03 16:25:39 yay! Jan 03 16:25:47 jonmasters_: dont scare us like that Jan 03 16:26:08 I almost crawled into my fallout shelter Jan 03 16:26:13 +1 Jan 03 16:27:08 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22jonmasters%22+%22has+joined+%23beagle%22+2012 Jan 03 16:27:55 hmm, no 2013, google got slow Jan 03 16:28:16 all but one of those is a netsplit Jan 03 16:28:51 see why I panicked Jan 03 16:29:06 _av500_: must take a minute to switch over to the satelite uplink :) Jan 03 16:29:13 no hot standby? Jan 03 16:29:20 you gotta be kidding me Jan 03 16:29:25 * mdp imagines 5 fios installations in jonmasters' flat Jan 03 16:29:53 mdp, you need to think diversification Jan 03 16:30:10 that's just to start Jan 03 16:31:17 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/i/000001-100000/85001-90000/86001-87000/86390.jpg Jan 03 16:31:21 thats just for surfing Jan 03 16:31:32 and ordering pizza Jan 03 16:31:51 why only one internet? Jan 03 16:32:08 eh, cisco phones Jan 03 16:32:16 owned Jan 03 16:32:43 "nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco" Jan 03 16:37:43 heh Jan 03 16:43:48 maybe ti should go into the ip-phone business instead of the wireless phone business ;) Jan 03 16:49:01 mranostay: http://hackaday.com/2013/01/03/solar-powered-wifi-radiation-sensor/ Jan 03 16:51:17 aholler_: maybe synopsys has an ip-phone IP to buy...then *boom* Jan 03 16:55:37 hmm, sorry, can't follow Jan 03 16:56:23 jkridner, fyi, https://github.com/robclark/kernel-omap4/commits/bone <-- has lcd cape and dvi cape support.. for lcd cape, everything comes from device tree. I'm still working on the driver for the nxp hdmi mess.. one caveat: no explicit backlight control so far, I've only tried lcd3 cape which did not have backlight control, so some hacking may be needed.. Jan 03 16:56:28 also, the dt stuff is a bit of a.. umm.. work in progress.. Jan 03 16:56:44 robclark, cool Jan 03 16:56:58 is that on the 3.7? Jan 03 16:57:36 robclark: thanks for the update. Jan 03 16:58:32 that should get a bit nicer I think w/ panto's not-a-bus-cape-bus stuff Jan 03 16:59:05 robclark, I'll try to use it Jan 03 16:59:21 which lcd cape do you support? Jan 03 16:59:38 mdp: but their side seemed got boomed, at least according to google Jan 03 17:00:18 prpplague: too bad that circuit design is sure to burn out a tube :) Jan 03 17:00:31 mranostay: hehe Jan 03 17:12:23 * mdp hands robclark the understatement award. Jan 03 17:16:28 jkridner, btw, this looks ok: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8/patches/drm Jan 03 17:16:34 * robclark just catching up on backlog Jan 03 17:17:46 thanks! Jan 03 17:18:07 I'm still fighting the timing on the HDMI with the old stuff for now. Jan 03 17:18:47 fbset seems to be telling me the right story now, but the display still doesn't like it. Jan 03 17:19:09 http://pastebin.com/LnYxHNaC Jan 03 17:19:21 #tizenallthethings: http://allthingsd.com/20130103/samsung-plans-multiple-tizen-smartphones-for-2013/ Jan 03 17:20:13 jkridner: thats where a TFP401 comes in great for debugging that Jan 03 17:20:32 jkridner: with an oscope you can exactly track what is actually occuring Jan 03 17:20:45 great… wanna ship me one? Jan 03 17:20:56 av500: heh, they used the old log and that horrible genie :D Jan 03 17:23:04 panto, yeah, my current branch is 3.7 based.. Jan 03 17:23:07 panto, so far I've only tried lcd3.. lcd7, there might be some backlight issues (judging from the schematic) Jan 03 17:23:10 all the dt stuff.. well, let's say it is still in flux Jan 03 17:23:12 * robclark just trying to get hdmi/nxp stuff working first, and then I'll do some cleanup and look at the backlight support Jan 03 17:23:30 the old hdmi driver is kinda.. a mess Jan 03 17:23:33 I think I've managed to 'reverse engineer' how to set all the various timing params, etc.. but so far haven't managed to get nxp to light up (although I can read edid and detect connection) Jan 03 17:24:10 afk for a bit :) Jan 03 17:24:18 robclark, np, I'm taking a look right now Jan 03 17:26:34 http://www.h-online.com/open/features/One-software-radio-to-rule-them-all-1775971.html Jan 03 17:26:37 Crofton ^^^^ Jan 03 17:26:41 Crofton|work: ^^^^ Jan 03 17:27:25 av500, thanks Jan 03 17:34:43 av500, please don't bring bad the memories of jtrs and hms Jan 03 17:40:24 rofl Jan 03 17:41:04 JTRS was a failure of large government acquisition program operation Jan 03 17:47:52 sounds like vogons were involved ;) Jan 03 17:48:23 if they vogans made source control systems like they wrote poetry Jan 03 17:48:27 they would write clearcase Jan 03 17:50:18 "nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco" Jan 03 17:50:26 s/cisco/ibm/ Jan 03 17:50:51 Russ, more overlap..I almost moved onto JTRS but switched to a commercial division..*whew* Jan 03 17:52:23 clearquest I pretty much just blot out of my mind completely Jan 03 17:52:34 hehe Jan 03 17:53:15 robclark: I cherry-picked all your 3.7 based patches, minus the lcd clock and hwmod ones Jan 03 17:53:25 Russ, CQ has followed you here Jan 03 17:53:29 robclark: those don't seem to apply anymore after the common clock stuff Jan 03 17:53:36 NOOoo!!!! Jan 03 17:54:06 Russ, it's fun to watch people post stuff to e2e and then have it logged into CQ where they can publicly track it Jan 03 17:54:10 fun fun fun Jan 03 17:54:39 koen, yeah, I think the 3.7 branch I was using is pre-common-clock.. Jan 03 17:54:45 jackmitchell filed a bug on e2e that way that I recently was steered toward Jan 03 17:54:48 robclark: it is Jan 03 17:55:09 robclark: I couldn't figure out the magic incantations to add lcdc clock to the new framework Jan 03 17:55:35 so I made drm-lcdc and da8xx-fb modules to keep it booting :) Jan 03 17:56:04 hmm.. do we still use clock33xx_data.c w/ common clk fwk? Jan 03 17:56:15 no Jan 03 17:56:25 I think I just had to fix up some of the clk names so I could look up the clocks I needed Jan 03 17:56:28 hmm Jan 03 17:56:50 wonder if mturquette is around somewhere... rumor is he knows something about that stuff :-P Jan 03 17:56:55 instead of adding one function and one struct you need to add more structs now Jan 03 17:57:08 oh fun Jan 03 17:59:24 from what I pieced together the 3.7 way is struct-inside-struct-inside-struct, the 3.8 way is struct; struct; struct; Jan 03 17:59:36 but 3.8 lacked something copy/pastable Jan 03 18:00:47 sounds like someone is using eclipse (refactroing stuff is something eclipse users like to do) Jan 03 18:01:44 hmm, I better shut up Jan 03 18:02:02 panto, abstract sounds great, looking forward to it Jan 03 18:02:13 hehe Jan 03 18:03:38 koen, got a link handy to whatever is equiv to clock33xx_data.c in this brave new world? I guess it shouldn't be *that* hard, since it was just a couple name changes? Jan 03 18:03:52 * robclark could have a quick look Jan 03 18:07:14 panto: SPAM! Jan 03 19:32:36 boo. Jan 03 19:32:51 scary not Jan 03 19:34:56 robclark: arch/arm/mach-omap2/cclock33xx_data.c Jan 03 19:41:38 koen, ok, I guess lcd_gclk is what used to be lcdc_fck Jan 03 19:42:06 and dpll_disp_ck is still there Jan 03 19:42:21 I want to make u-boot setup clocks the same way the kernel does (basically I need a pixel clock of 40MHz instead of 72MHz), but also want to avoid learning too much. Anyone seen a patch/commit out there that could fit me? If not I suspect that I will have to open The TRM again :) Jan 03 19:42:51 reading the TRM grows hair on your chest Jan 03 19:43:32 Russ: and makes it fall of my head at the same time, so I have a choice to make Jan 03 19:43:52 koen, I guess just changing both of those to have the device name "da8xx_lcdc.0", and then either changing "lcdc_gclk" to "lcdc_fck" or updating lcdc drm to look for the clk name "lcdc_gclk" instead of "fck" might do the trick? Jan 03 19:46:18 Russ: women find that attractive again? Jan 03 19:46:50 wouldn't know Jan 03 19:46:58 * Russ grabs a stack of TRMs Jan 03 19:47:35 hey, this one says NDA restrictions, that must be like Axe for engineers or something Jan 03 19:48:39 robclark: I guess, I'll see if I have time tomorrow to look into it Jan 03 19:48:53 oh lovely binaries in the repo and no source anywhere for them Jan 03 19:49:08 prpplague: pour me some rum Jan 03 19:49:42 er barbados up my coffee...that doesn't sound right Jan 03 19:49:47 hehe Jan 03 19:50:31 prpplague: be honest you've tried that right? :) Jan 03 19:51:01 mranostay: frequently when i have to have a conference call or meeting with jkridner Jan 03 19:51:18 you know he is in here right? :) Jan 03 19:51:34 * prpplague points to jkridner Jan 03 19:51:54 * jkridner remains quiet Jan 03 19:52:21 * mranostay points jkridner with a pin Jan 03 19:52:24 *pokes Jan 03 19:54:05 * mph__ wonders if i ever understand Jan 03 19:54:20 probably better if you don't Jan 03 19:54:36 i'd rather pay someone who does Jan 03 19:55:29 * jkridner ouch (delayed reaction) Jan 03 19:56:46 who will sell their minds to the borg? Jan 03 19:59:51 adobe reader will take 424.8 MB of space on my computer? that is a lot... Jan 03 20:00:03 it better read the trm for me Jan 03 20:00:16 lol Jan 03 20:01:32 evince reads it just fine Jan 03 20:02:04 prpplague: lol :) Jan 03 20:02:31 tasslehoff: i wouldn't install adobe reader, those products are chock full of security holes on windows, haha! Jan 03 20:02:38 428MB is like more than some OS's Jan 03 20:03:32 yeah. I'm on a mac now, so Preview was the only thing I had. Jan 03 20:03:49 clearly bigger than OSes on a 8-bit machine Jan 03 20:03:50 ah.. heh preview Jan 03 20:05:43 koen: I get "rcu sched stalls" with omap2plus_defconfig when I build kernel 3.8-rc1 from the beagleboard.org github repository. sound familiar? Jan 03 20:06:04 Just wondering what is different between config/beaglebone and omap2plus_defconfig that could cause this Jan 03 20:07:43 mac can run Ubuntu...and even Linux..both of which support evince. Jan 03 20:08:42 ubuntu != linux ? Jan 03 20:08:43 * joel_ reconfigs and rebuilds Jan 03 20:09:28 mdp: how about Android? Jan 03 20:10:07 mranostay, that's yesterday...Tizen is today Jan 03 20:10:31 tizen is today, what a slogan! Jan 03 20:10:32 * mranostay fumbles for office wastebin Jan 03 20:10:52 "i just tizen'ed" should be the slogan Jan 03 20:11:11 joel_, panto mentioned rcu hangcheck enabled vs disabled? Jan 03 20:11:19 I think Tizening is illegal here in the Heartland...will check the legal codez Jan 03 20:11:44 robclark: sorry, is that a config option? Jan 03 20:13:10 possibly.. I'm just seeing if I can compare a working vs non-working config.. definitely some RCU differences.. Jan 03 20:14:41 joel_, hmm, actually my working config is using CONFIG_TREE_RCU, and last broken config was using CONFIG_TINY_RCU Jan 03 20:14:54 too many RCU options... Jan 03 20:15:30 but I think at one point I was also having problems w/ CONFIG_TREE_RCU=y.. Jan 03 20:16:02 basically, it was working, then I enabled a bunch of debug options, and started hitting that problem.. and then went back to omap2plus_defconfig and it worked Jan 03 20:37:42 back Jan 03 20:38:09 robclark, yes, I think TINY_RCU is what's broken Jan 03 20:38:09 panto: you were deeeply missed Jan 03 20:38:14 I know Jan 03 20:38:20 you wouldn't lie, would you? Jan 03 20:38:24 ((puppy eyes)) Jan 03 20:45:24 TINY_RCU depends on !PREEMPT && !SMP Jan 03 20:46:46 PREEMPT is disabled on omap2plus_defconfig, but SMP is active. Jan 03 20:53:53 TINY_RCU on 3.8.rc2 Jan 03 20:53:58 seems to boot up fine for me Jan 03 20:55:27 config:http://www.hastebin.com/korofoqugu.vbs and bootlog on bone A5 http://www.hastebin.com/lanehaxuso.vhdl Jan 03 21:05:39 hmm Google CEO visiting north korea? Jan 03 21:06:21 baby party :D Jan 03 21:06:24 they're buying it Jan 03 21:06:53 mdp: with what one share of stock? :) Jan 03 21:07:07 price is right Jan 03 21:07:22 they want the shark tank Jan 03 21:08:25 TINY_RCU - http://www.hastebin.com/renuqatixu.vbs with kernel hacking enabled for lock_dep etc.. Jan 03 21:08:25 Tizen people go in the shark tank Jan 03 21:08:30 maybe they need a search engine for all two sites Jan 03 21:23:52 yay - onsale beaglebone arrives. Jan 03 21:27:50 I see that in rev A6a the giant 50ohm reference resistor is gone. Jan 03 21:31:49 panto: how much pushback do you expect to get on including yacc code in the kernel? Jan 03 21:32:39 jkridner, well, that part should go in via the dtc tree and then find it's way in the kernel Jan 03 21:33:22 the kernel doesn't build the yacc sources, it uses the already generated shipped sources Jan 03 21:33:26 hi alan_o Jan 03 21:33:58 panto: get your submissions in? Jan 03 21:34:09 still waiting for review feedback Jan 03 21:34:11 there's more than the dtc part? Jan 03 21:34:22 panto: i mean ELC Jan 03 21:34:24 mranostay, got the first in ages ago Jan 03 21:34:32 i wonder why the Beagles were put on sale Jan 03 21:34:33 I'll write the next one tomorrow Jan 03 21:34:41 panto: yo! Jan 03 21:34:44 panto: deadline is tomorrow you know? :) Jan 03 21:34:46 mru is on, woot! Jan 03 21:34:57 yes I know Jan 03 21:35:07 on what? Jan 03 21:35:29 asymmetric cpus and scheduling Jan 03 21:35:42 omap fallout Jan 03 21:35:52 the demise of omap! Jan 03 21:36:01 a tale of tears and suffering Jan 03 21:36:10 "Omap totally ****ed?" Jan 03 21:36:12 tune in next month and commiserate Jan 03 21:36:15 "The Rise and Fall of Texas Instruments." Jan 03 21:36:57 they're leaving the mobile marketspace (possibly) Jan 03 21:36:58 mph__: you talking about the TI eStore sale? Jan 03 21:37:01 we be analog suckas Jan 03 21:37:06 yeah. Jan 03 21:37:08 it is a tool marketing push for Sitara. Jan 03 21:37:30 BeagleBone is simply included. limited time stuff. Jan 03 21:37:39 it closed Dec 31 Jan 03 21:37:41 kinda hard to compete with slave labor that foxconn uses for their cell phone lines Jan 03 21:37:50 ^^ Jan 03 21:38:00 and that RPi uses for their manufacturing Jan 03 21:38:01 I didn't promote it in various channels as I didn't want to upset the normal distributors. Jan 03 21:38:37 TI eStore buys through the same channels as normal BB.org distributors. Jan 03 21:39:06 they don't get a special discount---they were just willing to not make any money. Jan 03 21:39:28 sorry if you missed the sale. :( Jan 03 21:39:38 no, i did'nt.. Jan 03 21:39:43 jkridner: so who _does_ make this thing? Jan 03 21:39:45 ah, good. :) Jan 03 21:39:50 CircuitCo. Jan 03 21:39:50 I know circuitco manufactures it... Jan 03 21:39:54 i bought me a small stack of them. Jan 03 21:39:54 but who puts up the money Jan 03 21:40:01 Depends on what... Jan 03 21:40:03 who makes the orders Jan 03 21:40:09 as well as a pair of ICE boards Jan 03 21:40:10 or does circuitco deal directly with distributors? Jan 03 21:40:16 CircuitCo fronts most of the bills for prototyping, etc. Jan 03 21:40:27 They deal directly with distributors. Jan 03 21:40:32 But Cooley designed it and he's TI, right? Jan 03 21:40:40 yeah, Gerald Coley. Jan 03 21:40:43 Coley Jan 03 21:40:50 yeah, he's paid by TI. Jan 03 21:40:58 as am I. Jan 03 21:41:07 right. Jan 03 21:41:18 Clint Cooley is the owner over at CircuitCo. Jan 03 21:41:35 He made a bit of money from the first BB runs that essentially Digi-Key funded. Jan 03 21:41:42 So it's really a joint venture, but CircuitCo is running it as their own product, and TI just buys them at this point and provides Gerald for support, upgrades, maintenance, etc. Jan 03 21:41:57 I got $25k for initial prototypes from TI and haven't gotten anything else from TI in terms of prototyping $$$s. Jan 03 21:42:11 yeah, pretty much. Jan 03 21:42:16 remember everyone to +1 my design :) Jan 03 21:42:34 well submission Jan 03 21:42:47 mranostay: good point! I've placed all the G+ and Facebook like icons on http://beagleboard.org/CapeContest/entries now Jan 03 21:43:08 I also deleted the invalid entries. Jan 03 21:43:34 so, lobbying for +1's and likes is a good idea right now. :) Jan 03 21:44:10 mranostay: so what's in it for me? :-D Jan 03 21:44:25 alan_o: i'll buy you a beer Jan 03 21:44:25 We can make it like Congress..... I vote for your bill, if ..... Jan 03 21:44:46 mranostay: I gave you your first fb like Jan 03 21:44:57 *blushes* Jan 03 21:45:11 everyone always remembers their first like.... Jan 03 21:45:14 * NishanthMenon wonders where spi0 went in beaglebone http://www.hastebin.com/hufewofake.avrasm spi0 is part of DT @ 48030000, but only spi1 in spi_master and no device in spidev.. Jan 03 21:45:19 err... maybe that's something else Jan 03 21:45:24 alan_o: to finish the story, Digi-Key bought the first 10k BBs and that has been the seed money for each iteration. Jan 03 21:47:49 what do you do with a GPS FM radio? Jan 03 21:48:24 mph__: the video explains... Jan 03 21:48:40 essentially use it for audio prompts on location. Jan 03 21:48:53 in your car, etc. Jan 03 21:50:02 jkridner: seems like a limited use case there Jan 03 21:50:05 mmm, yes, thats probably ver true. Jan 03 21:50:18 actually i built something a few years ago that did somehing very similar Jan 03 21:50:23 but it was'nt audio cues Jan 03 21:51:40 the dmx cape is interesting Jan 03 21:52:06 mranostay, yours is the only one I've actually seen in action and is known working Jan 03 21:52:49 mdp: hey, you saw my cape!!! Jan 03 21:52:50 the contest did'nt require it to be working did it? Jan 03 21:53:06 mph__: no but it was nice if it does :) Jan 03 21:53:13 * alan_o didn't submit it to the contest :( Jan 03 21:53:18 the dmx one seems to be working Jan 03 21:53:22 unless the video is a lie. Jan 03 21:53:22 well unless emeb is lying his works too Jan 03 21:53:28 alan_o, both true Jan 03 21:53:47 ran out of time. Too much actual work. Jan 03 21:53:54 which I'm procrastinating from right now, in fact Jan 03 21:53:56 emeb I trust..just haven't seen beyond the layout pics Jan 03 21:54:03 mmm, it uses the PRU too Jan 03 21:54:05 and theres code. Jan 03 21:54:16 mdp: look at the video Jan 03 21:54:25 hmm, no übercape with a cc24xx/cc25xx Jan 03 21:54:31 emeb: oh nos, I have to look at something?!? ;) Jan 03 21:54:47 mdp: you don't _have_ to. Jan 03 21:54:59 im not sure if connecting an FPGA to a Beagle is a winner of an idea Jan 03 21:55:18 mph__: yeah - the board by itself is pretty boring. Jan 03 21:55:25 yeah, in deed. Jan 03 21:55:42 <_av500_> mranostay: I cannot like your cape Jan 03 21:55:44 <_av500_> im not on FB Jan 03 21:55:46 the energon cape looks fun Jan 03 21:57:47 capewings.. a beagle kennel. Jan 03 21:58:09 lol, Locutus! Jan 03 22:05:33 mdp: https://plus.google.com/u/0/113422950875107230971/posts/4QCAXuggRnj Jan 03 22:05:46 panto: is there documentation on the sysfs interface or how to load the overlays other than api calls? Jan 03 22:06:26 jkridner, the sysfs interface is part of the board specific capemgr Jan 03 22:06:32 which will be forthcoming Jan 03 22:06:42 k Jan 03 22:07:02 what is it that you like to do? Jan 03 22:07:04 thought I might have been missing it. :) Jan 03 22:07:09 jkridner, no :) Jan 03 22:07:24 mdp is the first person to comment on Locutus. Jan 03 22:07:46 the patchset is just the core infrastructure we need to get the loader to work Jan 03 22:08:36 how are you testing it without a loader? Jan 03 22:08:54 jkridner, the loader is ready Jan 03 22:09:00 as well as capes that support it Jan 03 22:09:29 oh? are there capes with fragments in their eeproms? Jan 03 22:09:54 jkridner, no, no fragments in the eeproms of course Jan 03 22:10:27 since I don't know if we ever got to a decision about that Jan 03 22:10:32 k, so you mean the capebus loader that exists now that uses descriptors for loading existing fragments? Jan 03 22:10:40 the fragment are stored as firmware files Jan 03 22:11:03 firmware files? I thought they were in the dtb itself. Jan 03 22:11:18 git://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm.git branch not-capebus-v7 Jan 03 22:11:25 jkridner, the firmware files are dtbs Jan 03 22:11:48 I'd expect us to eventually put dtb fragments into the EEPROMs such that there is no need to continue to update the kernel unless a new driver is required. Jan 03 22:11:58 the loader can conceivably retreive them from the eeprom if it is there Jan 03 22:12:48 jkridner, the cape loader only cares about getting hold of a binary blob Jan 03 22:13:26 at the moment it gets it via calling request firmware for a file matching the cape Jan 03 22:13:48 if/when a dt fragment is stored in the cape, it can retrieve it from there Jan 03 22:13:49 the normal distributors are already upset Jan 03 22:13:51 k… and that blob is just a compiled devicetree (dtbs). Jan 03 22:14:11 ds2: are you talking about the eStore thing? Jan 03 22:14:34 ds2: who got upset? Jan 03 22:14:37 jkridner, I call it a dtbo, which is a dtb with some extra information about resolution and overlay application Jan 03 22:15:20 jkridner: no. the "new" model for doing things and turning BB into CircuitCo Jan 03 22:15:27 so promoting or not don't matter Jan 03 22:15:42 With kernel 3.8-rc1, init program in my filesystem hangs at "getty", . getty is invoked as follows: "/sbin/getty 115200 ttyO0" . I hacked execve and it shows me the process respawning, but I don't seem to be able to figure why it wouldn't take me to a login prompt. Any debug ideas or other suggestions? Thx. Jan 03 22:16:13 ds2: please be specific. there isn't a new model. Jan 03 22:16:29 engagement is an organic thing. Jan 03 22:17:39 * jkridner wasn't a fan of the eStore promotion and hoped it would go quietly away. Jan 03 22:18:26 yeah, $24 on the price of a beagle was'nt going ot make a lot of difference to me Jan 03 22:18:36 i was going to buy a bunch of them anyway Jan 03 22:18:45 so, all that happened is osmeone lost some $$$ Jan 03 22:19:35 jkridner: do you work for TI? Jan 03 22:19:40 yes. Jan 03 22:19:58 $24 could buy some nice craft beers Jan 03 22:20:44 mmmm… I have some more kuhnhenn 4th dementia in the garage right now… nice and cold. Jan 03 22:21:13 mranostay: when i am in SF next, i'll buy you some ok Jan 03 22:22:09 jkridner: any idea what it will take to port linux to the ICE boards? Jan 03 22:23:05 I think there are some on-line materials for porting Linux to Bone that should retarget the ICE boards fairly easily. Jan 03 22:23:38 http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Sitara_Linux_Training:_Linux_Board_Port Jan 03 22:24:03 <_av500_> ICE? Jan 03 22:24:18 <_av500_> aint that a 355x on them? Jan 03 22:24:23 <_av500_> does that not run Linux? Jan 03 22:25:02 yeah, 335x… minor peripheral changes… just a tiny bit of reconfiguration of memory, etc. Jan 03 22:25:12 a stretch of the word 'port'. Jan 03 22:27:18 jkridner, I think you miss what the training is about :) it's common terminology to call board enablement of the kernel a "board port" Jan 03 22:27:30 panto: what is the behavior of version? will an old version dtbo be loaded for a newer version cape? Jan 03 22:28:45 jkridner, I don't quite understand the question - the capes are matches against the part-number/version tuple Jan 03 22:28:47 mdp: agree it is one common usage and I didn't question it until questioned. others would avoid calling it a port and reserve that word for more fundamental architecture changes. Jan 03 22:28:52 *are matched Jan 03 22:28:57 1-1? Jan 03 22:29:03 it's always been called a board port Jan 03 22:29:20 panto: my concerned is that new hardware might break. Jan 03 22:29:21 jkridner, yes Jan 03 22:29:30 in cases where it would be compatible. Jan 03 22:29:53 well, in that case ln -s old-version.dtbo new-version.dtbo Jan 03 22:30:07 jkridner, I think the objection is when people recompile a portable C package and call it a "port" :) Jan 03 22:30:30 or you could have a capemap entry that maps part numbers+revisions to a filename to point to the same file Jan 03 22:30:31 a custom board BSP is often non-trivial :) Jan 03 22:34:50 time to crash now Jan 03 22:35:00 BSD Jan 03 22:35:10 panto: watch the trees Jan 03 22:45:24 djlewis: porting BSD to Linux Jan 03 22:47:04 * djlewis works on PC's with Microslof os all day long Jan 03 22:55:24 robclark: as you were looking at the config option, did you figure out that rcu related config option causing the boot issue? Jan 03 22:56:23 joel_, no, I just got to a working config and left it at that.. figuring that it would sort itself out upstream Jan 03 22:57:38 ah ok, cool Jan 03 22:58:25 ka6sox-away: emeb: you have any demo's for the fpga cape? Jan 03 23:00:31 mranostay: two blinking LEDs not enough for you? :P Jan 03 23:01:01 emeb, my mgmt was happy with just one blinking LED Jan 03 23:01:10 two is total overkill Jan 03 23:01:19 it blinks, sell it Jan 03 23:01:31 And Buttons - don't forget the buttons (which currently gate off the LEDs) Jan 03 23:02:10 you make Locutus a button and there could be 1K units I can move. Jan 03 23:02:25 mranostay: I've got a few different designs that I've done in the past for the Beagleboard FPGA. Wouldn't be hard to convert. Jan 03 23:03:14 eg: SPI<->GPIO pins, SPI->RF DDS, SPI->audio tone generator, etc. Jan 03 23:03:41 RF DDS in a FPGA?! Jan 03 23:03:48 ds2: yep Jan 03 23:04:12 Using this -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/txdac/index.html Jan 03 23:04:20 can you bit bang it though? Jan 03 23:04:42 you cheated Jan 03 23:04:48 Oh? Jan 03 23:04:55 u used the TXDAC Jan 03 23:05:07 thought you somehow manage to do that on the FPGA itself Jan 03 23:05:32 ds2: how would the FPGA generate clean RF tones w/o a good DAC? Jan 03 23:05:41 what is that ladies name that does the ray bradbury music video, she needs to do one on bitbanging Jan 03 23:05:46 donno, hence the excitment that you might have figured a way of doing it :D Jan 03 23:05:51 heh Jan 03 23:06:11 the DAC is pretty cheap - <$10. The NCO and Sine LUT is all in the FPGA. Jan 03 23:06:33 but there are single chip DDS's Jan 03 23:06:53 yeah - with NCO, SineLUT and DAC in one pkg. Jan 03 23:07:16 thin ADI makes those too Jan 03 23:07:21 yup. Jan 03 23:07:34 <_av500_> gn Jan 03 23:07:36 pretty nice ones too, but they limit the waveform you can generate. Jan 03 23:07:56 <_av500_> emeb: can they do cowbell? Jan 03 23:08:32 I am happy if it can do just sin... sin + cos would be nice though Jan 03 23:09:29 _av500_: let's build one and see! Jan 03 23:09:49 <_av500_> ds2: and tan? and arctan? Jan 03 23:09:50 ds2: need an IQDAC for that. Jan 03 23:10:33 _av500_: I'd like to see cosh & sinh Jan 03 23:10:48 _av500_: nope. Jan 03 23:10:57 just want quad. output Jan 03 23:11:05 useful for feeding DBMs Jan 03 23:11:06 TXDAC trolling Jan 03 23:17:14 _av500_, cowbell cape :-P Jan 03 23:18:20 do a kickstarter for that idea! Jan 03 23:21:42 I'm in! Jan 03 23:22:05 is there an executive premiere platinum backer level? Jan 03 23:22:59 the 'more cowbell' level :-P Jan 03 23:31:20 yeah - and after it funds we send out an email saying that the development schedule is pushed back 6 months. Jan 03 23:31:24 repeat as required. Jan 03 23:42:14 some people collected $130,000 to let an rgb-led blink over usb. Jan 03 23:43:40 wow Jan 03 23:43:57 _av500_: think of all the money we could have made with a ft2232 and the beacon board Jan 03 23:45:05 pretty amazing what you can get away with on KS. Jan 03 23:46:53 kansas? Jan 03 23:47:24 kickstarter Jan 03 23:49:17 is that like kansas? Jan 03 23:50:08 look at all the people who bought shares in facebook Jan 03 23:50:13 gee there was a smart idea Jan 04 01:12:35 mnt_real: how is the snow now? Jan 04 01:14:07 mnt_real: it is being cleared up, had over 50cm, takes another week to clean apparently, heading to mtl ??? Jan 04 01:14:16 * prpplague checks the radar Jan 04 01:15:48 storms a brewing - http://i.imwx.com//web/radar/us_sc_9regradar_plus_usen.jpg Jan 04 01:16:57 prpplague: hey want to guess what happens when you attempted to read a ADC channel that doesn't exist on I2C part? :) Jan 04 01:17:23 * prpplague considers Jan 04 01:18:11 prpplague: garbage for a certain amount of time Jan 04 01:18:13 prpplague: we expect only few cm until weekend, it is cold though, has been -21C last two days Jan 04 01:18:34 now picture you have feedback loops requiring valid data in this time? :) Jan 04 01:18:35 mranostay: does the data look like this? http://tinyurl.com/yb8bujq Jan 04 01:18:44 *bang* Jan 04 01:19:19 you know that isn't the worst song you could play Jan 04 01:19:27 hehe Jan 04 01:19:42 mranostay: maybe a little wilson philips? Jan 04 01:19:47 prpplague: think in 20 years that being 'Beiber'ed' will be a thing? Jan 04 01:20:19 mranostay: hehe, that is already a horrific thing Jan 04 01:21:20 nothing good comes from Canada I say :P Jan 04 01:21:43 except for bacon? Jan 04 01:21:51 and maple syrup Jan 04 01:21:57 hhe Jan 04 01:21:59 hehe Jan 04 01:22:14 * prpplague waits for wmat to comment Jan 04 01:22:26 canadian girls are nice too Jan 04 01:22:38 so basically anything you can export from canada is okay :) Jan 04 01:23:01 prpplague: I'll let wmat comment on Canada, I can only speak for quebec ;) Jan 04 01:23:15 mranostay: i'll have you know that curling is a well respected sport and many many people all over the world aspire to be professional curlers Jan 04 01:23:21 mnt_real: hehe Jan 04 01:23:37 prpplague: that has to be a drinking game that just went too far Jan 04 01:23:54 * prpplague points to mnt_real for an answer Jan 04 01:24:47 you know i watch curling just for the novelity of it Jan 04 01:24:58 it is like chess on skates Jan 04 01:25:35 prpplague: curling ??? sweeping ice game, I think an arena janitor had invented :) Jan 04 01:27:02 * wmat grumbles Jan 04 01:27:14 wmat: hehe Jan 04 01:27:18 wmat: heh Jan 04 01:27:52 i am going to go out on a limb here, but if they have lingerie football league, i am sure the lingerie curling league would work well too.... Jan 04 01:28:17 might be a tad chilly Jan 04 01:28:38 curling is a scottish game, hence, perfect for drinking while playing Jan 04 01:29:08 wmat: now it sounds interesting Jan 04 01:29:21 wmat: ahh Jan 04 01:29:27 i'd throw hockey out there, but after the US smoked our junior team today, I better not Jan 04 01:29:40 wmat: now i have something to google when i have insomnia this week Jan 04 01:29:44 *insert comment that would get fired here* Jan 04 01:29:58 * ds2 invites HR Jan 04 01:30:02 heh Jan 04 01:30:09 mranostay: just use a typedef Jan 04 01:30:10 we've also got RIM ;) Jan 04 01:31:06 why did I suddenly think about nortel ?!? Jan 04 01:31:57 mnt_real: did they have a curling team? Jan 04 01:32:47 prpplague: I am sure they had but forget to mention in accounting books ;) Jan 04 01:33:05 * prpplague imagines bobsleed style outfits for the curling team with nortel logos Jan 04 01:35:26 based on the conversation in #beagle this evening, i suspect it has been too long since we all got together at a conference for beer (with the exception of Crofton - he's never met a beer or conference he didn't like) Jan 04 01:36:00 so CES it is... Jan 04 01:37:04 hehe Jan 04 02:01:31 prpplague: so CES and Keystone Light? Jan 04 02:02:25 sounds like a plan Jan 04 02:07:11 prpplague: i need to have one to remember how bad "beer " can be :) Jan 04 02:09:42 what do you expect from grains gone bad? Jan 04 02:11:16 although Sam Adam Cherry Wheat is probably the worst beer i've had Jan 04 02:11:22 Rolling Rock a close second Jan 04 02:36:28 dj_pi for a nick? rpi user? :) Jan 04 02:36:40 death to the rpi users! Jan 04 02:36:51 hehe Jan 04 02:36:57 spying on #beagle activity Jan 04 02:37:04 wow....funny you mention that joel_ Jan 04 02:37:12 it's actually my oldschool dj name from 10+ years ago Jan 04 02:37:23 but i literally just turned on my raspberry pi for the first time just as you msg'ed me Jan 04 02:37:25 dj_pi: hehe, just poking fun, cool Jan 04 02:37:32 oh really Jan 04 02:37:45 that makes you a pi user, (alarms going off) Jan 04 02:37:47 yeah....the coincidence is kinda scary Jan 04 02:37:55 hehe Jan 04 02:38:03 do you have a trojan on my pi or something? :-P Jan 04 02:38:15 you bet Jan 04 02:38:41 ;) Jan 04 02:40:01 not seen much love for rpi here Jan 04 02:42:02 i only give love when love is due, joel_ Jan 04 02:43:25 heh, dj_pi there, see, no love for you, turn off the rpi now Jan 04 02:45:04 * joel_ cooking and then patch review, bbl **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 02:59:58 2013