**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 20 02:59:59 2013 Jan 20 03:11:57 two people shot at gun appreciation day Jan 20 03:11:59 http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/19/1473881/two-people-accidentally-shot-at-a-gun-show-safety-checkpoint-on-gun-appreciation-day/?mobile=nc Jan 20 03:15:32 in other news, individual injured by car at driver safety class Jan 20 03:17:59 Russ: i like the "far-right" reference in that article :) Jan 20 03:19:52 so there were several peopel shot at differnet gun appreication days Jan 20 03:19:55 around the USA Jan 20 03:21:33 so, the customer is happ Jan 20 03:21:39 connectors are changed Jan 20 03:21:53 they just wnat a workign prototype in 10 days Jan 20 03:21:54 :-) Jan 20 03:21:57 you changed them to screw terminals ? Jan 20 03:22:46 phoenix MSTB Jan 20 03:22:48 two part Jan 20 03:23:25 but i was able to fit them onto the board, leaving the footprint for the XLR's as well Jan 20 03:23:30 ahh yes Jan 20 03:23:33 so, it's actualy quite a nice mod Jan 20 03:23:54 for a permanant installation the screw terminals make good sense Jan 20 03:25:56 yeah that's true, like in industrial controller situations Jan 20 03:30:32 next job is to think about how to rebuild a beagle Jan 20 03:30:40 from strach Jan 20 03:30:49 thats kinda big step up for me! Jan 20 03:31:36 you going to re-implement the circuit board? or build a whole new netlist? Jan 20 03:31:59 theres a few pins on teh BGA i need Jan 20 03:32:04 that are not connected Jan 20 03:32:11 beauty. :( Jan 20 03:32:23 i want to implement ethercat Jan 20 03:32:27 like the ICE PCB Jan 20 03:32:40 mranostay, I suppose a car show would be a better example though Jan 20 03:33:05 Russ: how many people get kileld at "car appreication days" by cars? Jan 20 03:33:29 probably quite a few Jan 20 03:33:36 I've seen people do really dumb things and car shows Jan 20 03:33:47 im not convinced by the argument that more guns makes it safer though Jan 20 03:33:50 and that's before the start the drinking Jan 20 03:34:10 mrpackethead_, then you shouldn't be convinced that less would either Jan 20 03:34:56 idiots with guns, ( and its idiots ) with guns dont' think about the consequences / risks assocaited with their actions Jan 20 03:35:03 http://www.newschannel5.com/story/6675353/man-injured-at-charity-car-show-speaks-out Jan 20 03:35:06 and are already intending to kill them selves anyway. Jan 20 03:35:28 you could just say idiots don't think about the consequences /risks associated with their actions Jan 20 03:35:42 thats exactly right Jan 20 03:35:51 I totally agree, idiots who don't think about the consequences of their actions are a pox on society Jan 20 03:36:12 so the arugment that more guns will stop shootings, is carp Jan 20 03:36:14 is crap Jan 20 03:36:18 its not fish Jan 20 03:36:20 :-) Jan 20 03:36:34 but so is the arugment that less guns will stop shootings Jan 20 03:36:49 well, there have been isolated data points where more guns have stopped mass shootings, so you can't say its crap or crazy Jan 20 03:36:58 you'd actually have to think about it a little harder Jan 20 03:37:09 well less legal guns aren't going to stop shootings Jan 20 03:37:16 it might just mean that crazy nutters have to work a little harder to get something Jan 20 03:37:36 are you going to bad 3d printers? Jan 20 03:37:42 i can download and print a gun Jan 20 03:37:42 well i can assure you criminals don't follow all the rules to get one Jan 20 03:37:46 3d print regulation will come Jan 20 03:37:59 especially when they can make things with the strength of steel and aluminum Jan 20 03:38:06 i guess you can pay for illegal gusn with bitcoins Jan 20 03:38:06 Russ: hehe :) Jan 20 03:38:13 MINE! Jan 20 03:38:29 we should make a lower receiver cape and mine bitcoins with guns Jan 20 03:38:49 wheee!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hXMCagemRk Jan 20 03:38:52 is the FBI getting a list of all the people who buy FPGA based Bitminers. Jan 20 03:39:13 because you know they are doing that to get bitcoins to buy illegal stuff. Jan 20 03:40:01 are there any bitmining worms? Jan 20 03:40:26 I need to start to train my pets to bitmine Jan 20 03:40:28 the Impossible Mission Force has a truckload of Cyclone Vs driving around Europe Jan 20 03:40:49 theres plenty of computing power out there to steal, and goodness knows how many people who dont' keep their windwos secure.. Jan 20 03:41:00 you just need to steal cpu cycles from them. Jan 20 03:41:25 if you were smart Jan 20 03:41:34 you'd implement an antivirus inside your worm Jan 20 03:41:49 to sure up the system you stole, so no-one else can steal it. Jan 20 03:42:20 a millon home PC's must be able to mine a little bit Jan 20 03:42:52 crazy thoughts.. Jan 20 03:42:59 just as well, i dont' own a gun Jan 20 03:43:03 and i 'm not a nutter Jan 20 03:43:23 that's what all the nutters say. ;) Jan 20 03:44:00 anyway.. Jan 20 03:44:25 a rebuild of the beagle onto a new platform is an interestinly scary propositino for me Jan 20 03:44:35 some new technologys to learn Jan 20 03:44:39 aka multilayer Pcbs Jan 20 03:44:42 bgas Jan 20 03:45:59 finding a CM who can do POP. Jan 20 03:46:14 yeah I was about to add PoP Jan 20 03:46:50 PoP? Jan 20 03:46:54 BGAs in and of themselves aren't that huge a deal Jan 20 03:46:59 Package on Package Jan 20 03:47:03 oh.. Jan 20 03:47:14 the micron memory on the Beagle is on top of the MCU Jan 20 03:47:15 there's a neat video of Raspberry Pi PoP assembly. Jan 20 03:47:28 ok, i've got to run. Jan 20 03:47:34 l8r. Jan 20 03:47:42 http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2675 Jan 20 03:47:57 seey mah Jan 20 03:48:00 err mph Jan 20 06:06:53 toneeee: sorry i missed you before Jan 20 06:25:27 Are there any good write-ups on how companys/teams manage their local OE setups vs upstream? Jan 20 06:37:21 git merge? Jan 20 06:48:28 mranostay: I was looking for a bit more. I'm still learning OE-core, but I'm wondering if teams usually create their own layer and put all customizations there. I always seem to be tweaking recipes in OE-dev. And there are multiple layers all used to produce our build… do people just pick a release from yocto or Angstrom, freeze to it, and then update everything whenever the upstream distro releases? etc... Jan 20 06:50:23 sorry about the multiple nicks, I'm testing out three irc clients. I'll try to stick to this window for replies. Jan 20 07:05:57 well you should use your own overlay if you aren't pushing upstream Jan 20 07:11:17 <_av500_> everybody is upstreamin', no? Jan 20 07:12:06 are there any write-ups about setting up OE for teams? i.e. using the sstate-cache or some sort of package server. Most of my devs work on one or two apps while I maintain the system-level stuff. If I tweak Qt, I'd like them to be able to just pull my changes rather than have to wait 1-4 hours for their next build. Jan 20 07:12:14 _av500_: this ain't meego Jan 20 07:12:57 our changes aren't really upstreamable I think. Mostly, we remove functionality, or add things for a proprietary board. Jan 20 07:13:27 although, we would certainly push up any bug fixes. Jan 20 07:14:19 honestly, I would love to be at the point where I was up to speed on my own project with enough time to find and fix upstream bugs. Jan 20 07:14:29 IIRC you could generate an 'sdk' or something like that Jan 20 07:15:39 My debs (only 4) sometimes need to produce full build images, so I give them VMs with a full build environment for OE. I have considered your suggestion and I think they might prefer SDKs. Jan 20 07:48:06 hi can someone help me to add a serial port? Jan 20 07:48:17 i used minicom/picocom but i don't now how understand which port (ttys0,usb0,....) and which rate i should choos.plzhelp me Jan 20 07:51:03 heh McAfee on Dateline is pretty interesting :) Jan 20 07:54:59 i can only hope RMS become this nuts Jan 20 08:01:06 mvt007geek: what OS? Jan 20 08:02:13 ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap4 Jan 20 08:03:12 is the host machine linux? Jan 20 08:03:58 ubuntu for board...but pc is debian Jan 20 08:04:33 mvt007geek: try ls /dev/ttyU* Jan 20 08:05:00 generally it will be /dev/ttyUSB0 Jan 20 08:05:17 with the beagle its often /dev/ttyUSB1 Jan 20 08:05:36 as the beagle presents two serial devices.. Jan 20 08:06:53 what about pandaboard? Jan 20 08:07:17 no idea Jan 20 08:07:35 ls /dev/ttyU* before you plug it in Jan 20 08:07:44 then ls /dev/ttyU* after you plug it in Jan 20 08:07:50 see what the differnece is Jan 20 08:08:21 and thats probalby your port Jan 20 08:08:43 don't know the right commands Jan 20 08:09:07 dmesg | grep tty ?? Jan 20 08:09:36 no... ls /dev/ttyU* Jan 20 08:11:48 ls: cannot access /dev/ttyU: No such file or directory Jan 20 08:14:16 are you using a serial-usb converter? Jan 20 08:17:42 mvt007geek: have a look at /var/log/syslog when you plug the adapter in, it tells you which device file it gets Jan 20 08:18:25 thurbad: rs232 cable that i use to connect to my pc Jan 20 08:18:37 ^^' Jan 20 08:18:43 ttyS* Jan 20 08:18:57 please follow the instructions Jan 20 08:19:03 mostly we don't waste keystrokes Jan 20 08:19:34 mvt007geek: what are you connecting to what Jan 20 08:19:43 a pandaboard to a PC? Jan 20 08:19:50 yes Jan 20 08:20:01 this is #beagle Jan 20 08:20:26 i know.but there is not many people who answer me Jan 20 08:20:35 that's the reason i am here Jan 20 08:20:40 should be a similar process Jan 20 08:21:00 but it dobules as #baconbeercape sometimes and #gundebate and #bytecoinsareascam Jan 20 08:21:01 besides... how often are we strictly on topic? Jan 20 08:21:21 thurbad: every time we talk about guns, chocolate and trolls Jan 20 08:21:28 thurbad: how often are we on topic Jan 20 08:21:39 someone say trolls? Jan 20 08:21:47 mmmm.. guns Jan 20 08:21:47 i've never heard chocolate being talked about Jan 20 08:22:00 thurbad: actually 3d printers. Jan 20 08:22:00 KotH loves chocolate Jan 20 08:22:11 3d printed chocolate? Jan 20 08:22:20 mranostay: thats been done!!! Jan 20 08:22:28 apropopos ... havent had any chocolate today yet Jan 20 08:22:36 * KotH must correct this imediatly Jan 20 08:22:41 https://chocedge.com Jan 20 08:23:13 mranostay: cool! Jan 20 08:23:21 https://chocedge.com Jan 20 08:23:27 i use tail -f Jan 20 08:23:29 er... Jan 20 08:23:33 mrpackethead_: coool! Jan 20 08:23:37 well...now i tail -f /var/log/syslog Jan 20 08:23:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FUq_2IU2Uo&feature=player_embedded Jan 20 08:24:19 how does PLL work with radio signals? Jan 20 08:24:21 * mranostay googles Jan 20 08:24:32 mrpackethead_: a shame, they dont use läderach as chcolate Jan 20 08:24:45 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1551252/ Jan 20 08:25:05 mranostay: perety much the same way an PLL works Jan 20 08:25:12 s/an/any Jan 20 08:26:00 mvt007geek: no idea which is your serial port Jan 20 08:26:06 mranostay: what's your prob with plls? Jan 20 08:26:51 it seems chocolate is more important for u....hahaha...such a funny room.....leave you alone with your chocolates Jan 20 08:28:17 lol Jan 20 08:28:25 ofcourse chocolate is more important! Jan 20 08:28:49 KotH: not a RF guy more is the issue Jan 20 08:29:07 mranostay: for plls you dont have to be a rf guy, but a control guy Jan 20 08:29:10 helps you a lot more Jan 20 08:32:32 oddly i need an RF guy or need to buy an RF receiver cape Jan 20 08:32:47 mranostay: btw: look for "phase locked loops" by Best Jan 20 08:32:57 mranostay: there are digital copies floating around the intarwebz Jan 20 08:33:16 mranostay: it tells you everything you need to know about plls in simple words Jan 20 08:33:35 mrpackethead_: what for? Jan 20 08:33:50 mrpackethead_: and which frequency band? modulation? protocol? Jan 20 08:34:19 dont' know yet Jan 20 08:34:20 :-) Jan 20 08:34:28 lol Jan 20 08:34:41 if you can choose yourself, have a look at the rf modules from ti and microchip Jan 20 08:34:45 its likely to be UHF Jan 20 08:34:51 these are pretty easy to use solutions Jan 20 08:35:04 narrow band telemetry Jan 20 08:35:16 and because they are pre build systems, you dont have to get another rf certification but normal emi tests Jan 20 08:35:18 i only need to Receiv Jan 20 08:35:30 oh.. Jan 20 08:35:32 TX already exists Jan 20 08:35:47 then ask the guy who designed the sender, he should know :) Jan 20 08:36:01 will find out Jan 20 08:36:12 the intended "receivers" are large bits of gear Jan 20 08:36:22 because they also include TX Jan 20 08:36:56 as usual i'm contemplating an applicaiton that has never been used before. Jan 20 08:37:08 join the club :) Jan 20 08:37:25 and we are silly enough to take this on.. Jan 20 08:37:35 the client will want 6000 of them though. Jan 20 08:37:54 i get board after buildign #2 Jan 20 08:38:00 oh.. so you will have to design a tester as well Jan 20 08:38:02 #1 says i can build it. Jan 20 08:38:10 #2 says i can built it twice Jan 20 08:38:23 #3 says, i shoudl be hiring someone to build the rest Jan 20 08:38:45 there will no doubt be a ready made module Jan 20 08:39:39 ideally, i'd have osmething that requires +V, GND.. and provides an audio out Jan 20 08:39:40 :-) Jan 20 08:39:49 and not a lot else of RF engineering Jan 20 08:40:19 hmm? audio? for telemetry? Jan 20 08:40:30 yes, audio for telemtry Jan 20 08:40:38 sounds 80s Jan 20 08:40:50 some say telemetry? :) Jan 20 08:41:07 * mranostay sleeps Jan 20 08:41:19 oyasumi mranostay Jan 20 08:41:52 KotH: not 80's Jan 20 08:41:55 not even 70's Jan 20 08:42:18 1967 Jan 20 08:42:26 but turned into a standard in 1972 Jan 20 08:43:48 prehistoric! Jan 20 08:47:16 yes somewhat Jan 20 08:47:17 :-) Jan 20 08:48:31 RF is the only option Jan 20 08:48:37 Wifi is not an option! Jan 20 08:48:46 its one to many Jan 20 08:48:50 aka broadcast Jan 20 08:48:57 if it's such an old standard, wouldnt it be pretty simple to design a simple rf receiver? Jan 20 08:49:19 i guess it's just an AM modulation, probably not evn SSB Jan 20 08:50:34 the standard doestn specify what the aduio is carried over Jan 20 08:51:25 and what does your system use? :) Jan 20 08:52:01 i dont' know Jan 20 08:52:03 :-) Jan 20 08:52:05 yet Jan 20 08:52:20 waiting for information Jan 20 08:56:07 heh Jan 20 08:56:12 and you still accepted the project? Jan 20 08:56:18 you are crazy! :-) Jan 20 08:58:08 i accepted to look at the project Jan 20 08:58:09 :-) Jan 20 08:58:33 use an RTL-SDR, be done with it ;) Jan 20 08:58:57 i think its UHF ( about 480Mhz ) FM Jan 20 09:00:03 ah.. them it's probably 70cm ism band, there are ready to use chips for that Jan 20 09:00:24 70cm ISM was rather undefined back-then™ Jan 20 09:00:48 but might be commercial or scientific 70cm bands Jan 20 09:01:13 just wanting to find out Jan 20 09:02:42 what i'd like to do is stick one on a cape. Jan 20 09:04:47 wouldnt a custom design be cheaper for 6k pieces? Jan 20 09:06:25 might be Jan 20 09:06:31 but not for a prototype Jan 20 09:06:40 ofc Jan 20 09:09:11 just for reference: a while ago, we did an i.mx23 based wifi system, 500pcs and iirc it was 70usd per board Jan 20 09:18:09 <_av500_> too expensive Jan 20 09:18:14 <_av500_> you are killing the company Jan 20 10:05:08 i only kill infidels Jan 20 10:20:36 * dm8tbr is reminded of a TV sketch... Jan 20 12:18:07 ok, im having no joy with this beagleboard C3 Jan 20 12:18:20 is there a binary Jan 20 12:18:43 that provides 1) gles2 2) openvg 3)openmax il ? Jan 20 12:19:08 tried the angstrom stuff Jan 20 12:19:25 tried narcissus Jan 20 12:19:33 and it just kernel panics a lot Jan 20 12:19:38 i dont need X11 Jan 20 12:19:41 i dont need a desktop Jan 20 12:19:48 i dont care if its hardfloat or soft Jan 20 12:20:59 not planning on producing products on omap3, so its not worth compiling kernel, drivers, and devoting resources to Jan 20 12:21:32 i was just hoping that there may be a functional distro, binary, or something even hacked together Jan 20 12:22:20 probably best way would be to dig out an older SGX driver release from TI Jan 20 12:22:34 that wasn't broken on 3430 Jan 20 13:05:38 Regarding the SGX driver, is it still soft-float only, or does a hard-float version exist too nowadays? Jan 20 13:09:53 there was one by Nokia for their MeeGo development Jan 20 13:47:14 was? Isn't it availabe anymore? (at least I haven't found it yet) Jan 20 13:47:58 it probably still is available Jan 20 13:48:23 actually has to. Nemomobile is using it for both N900 and N9/N950 Jan 20 13:49:40 GLES is fixed point Jan 20 13:49:54 so questions about floating point don't make sense for that Jan 20 13:50:33 Anyhow, I was just looking for OpenMAX support on a hard-float distro. I remember long ago there was this discussion, hardware acceleration not supported due soft-float libraries. Jan 20 13:51:06 i triend out the unbuntu release for beagle and ran into that issue Jan 20 13:51:09 hard-float versus soft-float is really bad way to name the api change Jan 20 13:51:10 its a hardfloat abi Jan 20 13:51:26 and there apparently were no hardfloat drivers made by TI for it Jan 20 13:51:30 Crofton|work: it's a great way to _hype_ the change Jan 20 13:51:41 and cause massive confusion Jan 20 13:51:56 canonical thrives on confusion Jan 20 13:55:38 libraries using a different ABI won't work of course... but are there compatible libraries to support OpenMAX for armv7 hard float. Jan 20 14:06:21 <_av500_> hard float vs soft fixed Jan 20 19:34:56 any dsp guy hanging around who knows beamforming? Jan 20 19:36:46 <_av500_> laser beams? Jan 20 19:37:04 use sharks Jan 20 19:37:16 <_av500_> hitlin37: you know the drill, ask dont ask to ask Jan 20 19:40:56 i'm measuring input and output SNR ,two microphones,same source.first time noise is uncorrealted.2nd time its not uncoorelated and positined at 30 degree.in second case difference between input and output SNR reduces to half in magnitude.reason? Jan 20 19:41:44 i have applied delay and sum algo Jan 20 19:45:06 must still be some uncorrelated noise in the signal that's being RSSed out. Jan 20 19:52:59 morning Jan 20 19:53:06 <_av500_> hath broken Jan 20 19:53:07 barely Jan 20 19:53:31 * mranostay pictures av500 singing Jan 20 19:53:58 <_av500_> pictures of it are safe to consume Jan 20 19:54:13 with alcohol? Jan 20 20:33:39 beamforming? in here? Jan 20 20:34:49 iknowrite? Jan 20 21:03:42 yo mranostay Jan 20 21:07:11 crap Jan 20 21:07:18 i mean hi alan_o :) Jan 20 21:07:43 hehe Jan 20 21:07:46 hey, quick question.... Jan 20 21:08:01 on your cape, how much do you care about using pins that might want to be used by other capes? Jan 20 21:08:33 In theory its best to avoid them right, but in practice, that seems pretty hard other than really basic stuff Jan 20 21:08:53 like how many jumpers and jumper settings are practical for that stuff, and then there's the device tree. Jan 20 21:09:10 well you could do jumpers Jan 20 21:09:42 or use the address DIP switch to set the 'jumpers' as well Jan 20 21:09:42 so my stuff is SPI, so I'm going to burn a CS pin, but I can dip switch that. It's the other lines I'm worried abut (reset, wake, interrupt) Jan 20 21:10:01 do you do that on yours? Jan 20 21:10:03 you could totally eff and release magic smoke Jan 20 21:10:07 *up Jan 20 21:12:18 alan_o: and no it is all static Jan 20 21:13:03 * mru waits for someone to invent capepnp Jan 20 21:13:15 heh Jan 20 21:13:28 hi mru, welcome back :) Jan 20 21:16:19 you could just swizzle Jan 20 21:16:29 like if you use spi0, give the next cape spi1 :) Jan 20 21:55:04 ka6sox: much clearer Jan 20 21:55:29 quite Jan 20 21:55:53 someone told me I was "away" Jan 20 22:05:18 where are you if not away? Jan 20 22:24:59 emeb: in his own little world Jan 20 23:02:35 mranostay, thats when I am -farfaraway ... Jan 20 23:04:24 * mranostay updates slides Jan 20 23:09:50 ka6sox: is that a gcc flag? Jan 20 23:10:13 mru: you are the compiler guy :P Jan 20 23:16:06 :( Jan 20 23:16:09 whoops Jan 20 23:16:13 kant typ Jan 20 23:16:22 its probably a linker flag. Jan 20 23:16:52 well, I've heard of far pointers Jan 20 23:17:18 I guess they had to extend that concept when writing the software for that mars rover Jan 20 23:17:25 mru: some x86 shit? Jan 20 23:17:43 many cpus have had segmented memory Jan 20 23:17:53 many Jan 20 23:19:09 dammit nodejs talk next to me at this coffee shop Jan 20 23:19:19 i cannot escape it Jan 20 23:20:33 talk about Corsets in the next booth from me... Jan 20 23:21:15 nodejs is hipster now? Jan 20 23:21:16 er wtf are you at? Jan 20 23:21:26 any chance of a beaglebone kernel which can be patched with the ipipe 3.5.3 patches? Jan 20 23:22:41 mranostay, I dare say the convo in the booth next to me is more interesting than the one next to you! Jan 20 23:23:01 ka6sox: ah yes it would appears so Jan 20 23:23:34 mru: what about the mars rover? Jan 20 23:24:28 mranostay: it's rather far away Jan 20 23:25:37 well..that was "interesting" Jan 20 23:25:52 expert in corsets now? Jan 20 23:26:05 more than I ever wanted to know... Jan 20 23:27:33 were the women talking about it under 70? :) Jan 20 23:27:57 mranostay: why do you assume they were women? Jan 20 23:28:00 where they talking about man corsets? :D Jan 20 23:28:13 <30, Female Jan 20 23:28:41 AIUI that's all the rage in goth/vintage circles these days. Jan 20 23:28:57 these "girls" qualify Jan 20 23:29:27 goth != hipster Jan 20 23:29:29 emeb_mac: well, if you want to dress victorian-style, it's a must-have Jan 20 23:29:47 at least goths i can deal with Jan 20 23:29:57 I did find out that 1 size fits all is a myth... Jan 20 23:29:58 :D Jan 20 23:29:59 heh Jan 20 23:30:03 goths are quirky but otherwise ok Jan 20 23:30:06 there's a shop in Berkeley that the missus likes to visit that's like grand-central for that stuff. Jan 20 23:30:21 I usually sit in the car and read... Jan 20 23:31:33 the mill is chugging along Jan 20 23:32:29 mru: well quirky is fine if you are never on planning on call them again :) Jan 20 23:32:34 *calling Jan 20 23:33:10 the right kind of quirky and you might call back sooner. :) Jan 20 23:33:35 mhaberler: there's a gap between 3.3-3.5 inclusive for bone/am33xx, so no. you'd have to backport stuff from the beagleboard/kernel 3.6 branch Jan 20 23:34:00 mhaberler, I gave up on the 3.5 strain...switching to 3.8.x Jan 20 23:34:01 thanks Jan 20 23:34:16 emeb_mac: *no comment* Jan 20 23:34:18 there's no ipipe patch for 3.8 yet Jan 20 23:35:05 emeb_mac: ka6sox: you guys embrace DT yet? Jan 20 23:35:09 mranostay, don't discount quirky...its a "good thing" Jan 20 23:35:21 is 3.8 torvalds reasonable usable with with the bb yet? Jan 20 23:35:33 mranostay, I'm not "embracing" the DT side yet...I'm exploring... Jan 20 23:35:34 mranostay: not yet. need to understand it better. Jan 20 23:35:49 in my experience 2.6.32 was the last reasonably usable kernel on bb Jan 20 23:36:29 mru, I agree...the entire 3.x strain is like trying to catch a freight traing roaring by. Jan 20 23:36:35 mhaberler: if uart and cpsw are all the i/o you need, yes. Jan 20 23:36:39 -g Jan 20 23:41:03 * mranostay wave to mdp Jan 20 23:41:07 *waves even Jan 20 23:43:08 more that one Jan 20 23:44:14 mranostay, hello Jan 20 23:44:21 * mdp wave back. Jan 20 23:46:02 mdp: how goes the hard BoF prep? :) Jan 20 23:47:27 brutal Jan 20 23:49:29 it appears my personal assistance will be coming along too Jan 20 23:49:39 heh Jan 20 23:49:41 s/assistance/assistant/ Jan 20 23:51:51 <_av500_> oh Jan 20 23:52:01 <_av500_> so people have to behave around you.... Jan 20 23:52:31 <_av500_> mru: 2.6.32 was a golden PSP kernel Jan 20 23:52:59 _av500_: even linux-omap 2.6.32 works pretty well Jan 20 23:53:20 tony's tree, that is Jan 20 23:53:23 _av500_: i think she know's mdp works with characters Jan 20 23:53:41 mranostay: ascii characters? Jan 20 23:53:42 mdp, where is this BoF to take place? Jan 20 23:54:17 _av500_: we call it a gold-plated POS Jan 20 23:54:34 a polished turd? Jan 20 23:54:41 highly polished Jan 20 23:54:49 nice visual Jan 20 23:55:02 mdp: I wasn't talking about the psp kernel originally Jan 20 23:55:12 ka6sox: at ELC, in the Parc 55 hotel. Jan 20 23:55:40 ka6sox: probably in the dungeon^W basement Jan 20 23:55:56 hehe Jan 20 23:56:00 a suitable location Jan 20 23:56:09 heh there always seems to be one dungeon room at these things :) Jan 20 23:56:23 they don't want marketing types wandering in Jan 20 23:56:25 with chains and corsets Jan 20 23:56:27 * ka6sox signs up Jan 20 23:56:35 er...having 2ond thoughts... Jan 20 23:57:08 don't want to see mdp in a corset? Jan 21 00:00:41 * ka6sox is certain he has no opinion. Jan 21 00:06:10 ok time to wander outside the coffee shop Jan 21 00:06:43 koen: you still haven't given feedback on the nixie patchset :) Jan 21 00:17:41 <_av500_> fun at FRA, coworker was already aboard the plane when they cancelled Jan 21 00:17:50 <_av500_> too much ice Jan 21 00:19:22 <_av500_> ha, 1977 Hobbit has trolls Jan 21 00:21:06 the book has trolls Jan 21 00:21:14 <_av500_> indeed Jan 21 00:21:24 <_av500_> i forgot Jan 21 00:21:52 <_av500_> and now they have a map with exact steps Jan 21 00:23:54 <_av500_> and now macroblock errors Jan 21 00:23:59 <_av500_> are these in the book too? Jan 21 00:24:07 they had a map in the book Jan 21 00:24:34 that was why they set out in the first place Jan 21 00:25:49 <_av500_> hm, popcorn hours has issue with that avi Jan 21 00:27:22 you know what I do with that machine Jan 21 00:27:35 <_av500_> this is the newer one Jan 21 00:27:37 <_av500_> the 300 Jan 21 00:27:51 <_av500_> its xhit nevertheless Jan 21 00:27:53 <_av500_> shit* Jan 21 00:28:01 I'm sure it has equally solid engineering Jan 21 00:28:20 <_av500_> the 99$ WD thing is far better Jan 21 00:32:45 <_av500_> anyway, time to sleep Jan 21 00:40:48 you should get a raspberry PI Jan 21 00:40:55 the videocore4 is impressive Jan 21 00:41:03 ... can i say that in a TI room? Jan 21 00:41:05 :P Jan 21 00:57:46 of course you can say that. We reserve the right to mock you though. Jan 21 01:06:25 we reserve the right to mock everyone though Jan 21 01:42:23 reserve? that assumes we hold back Jan 21 02:30:02 Hi. Jan 21 02:35:15 have we ever held back? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 21 02:59:58 2013