**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 25 02:59:59 2013
Jan 25 03:00:13 <rcn-ee> ah, yeah it's trying to create a fake framebuffer over a serial console for the actuall netinstall script... do you have gtkterm avaible on mac? that's normally what i use..
Jan 25 03:02:10 <oodi> nope, no gtkterm
Jan 25 03:04:29 <mrpackethead_> yeah, i sometimes get that with my macbook as well using screen
Jan 25 03:04:39 <mrpackethead_> my debian virtual machine doe'snt do it
Jan 25 03:04:47 <mrpackethead_> so its not the hardware
Jan 25 03:05:45 <mrpackethead_> rcn-ee: do you have a recommednation for mass cloning ( 20,50,100 ) of systems
Jan 25 03:06:01 <mrpackethead_> ie, pop in an SD-Card
Jan 25 03:06:16 <oodi> I tried using screen in a Debian Wheezy VM. Am not getting any output at all.
Jan 25 03:06:44 <rcn-ee> dd, if the cards are all the same... script it with fdisk/tar if they vary..
Jan 25 03:07:44 <rcn-ee> i never use screen, what's the snytax again, in my debian wheezy setup..
Jan 25 03:08:44 <oodi> On the Mac it is    screen /dev/tty.usbserial-TIVW0U9VB 115200 8N1, in wheezy I tried   screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 8N1 and also /dev/ttyUSB1
Jan 25 03:09:02 <mrpackethead_> dont' need the 8N1
Jan 25 03:09:21 <mrpackethead_> just tryig /dev/tty.usb-xxxxxB 115200
Jan 25 03:09:28 <rcn-ee> thanks, it helps to have it installed..
Jan 25 03:09:43 <mrpackethead_> thogh, on macos, that probably will still fail on the build.
Jan 25 03:11:16 <oodi> On wheezy the FTDI driver shows as ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 for me
Jan 25 03:11:20 <rcn-ee> seems to work: http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/testing/netinstall/screen_bone.png  screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
Jan 25 03:11:37 <mrpackethead_> thats petty uch what i get as well
Jan 25 03:11:49 <rcn-ee> it's fixed in a later kernel version.. with your install /dev/ttyUSB0 is the jtag...
Jan 25 03:11:51 <prpplague> rcn-ee: hey
Jan 25 03:11:58 <mrpackethead_> oodi:you want /USB1
Jan 25 03:12:01 <prpplague> rcn-ee: see /msg
Jan 25 03:12:04 <oodi> I wish... that would be so nice....
Jan 25 03:13:39 <oodi> Oh ja... it wis working! For some reason it won't show anything on the ecreen if I wait too long. I managed to start screen during the boot process and the menu came right up.
Jan 25 03:18:51 <oodi> Hmmm... now to get the USB ethernet thingy going. It worked out of the box like a charm using the preinstalled image. But can I use it to install Debian too? I offers usb as a network interface.
Jan 25 03:20:28 <rcn-ee> it's kinda fun to do in the netinstall, i've heard of people doing it...
Jan 25 03:25:41 <oodi> I haven't configured network interfaces and NAT by commandline in a long time...
Jan 25 03:34:36 <oodi> It works! Not had that much fun in a long time.... lol...
Jan 25 03:52:55 <mranostay> prpplague: priv msg?!? :)
Jan 25 04:01:26 <mranostay> prpplague: i like how sched.org makes the speaker 'interested' in their own talk :)
Jan 25 04:01:35 <prpplague> hehe
Jan 25 04:02:02 <prpplague> i am going to have to move my slot with someone else since i'll be helping out with the beaglebone tutorials on wednesday
Jan 25 04:02:29 <mranostay> they already moved them around a bit
Jan 25 04:02:42 <mranostay> nobody take my slot please :)
Jan 25 04:03:29 * mranostay pictures prpplague switching his talk to the last slot of Friday
Jan 25 04:03:44 <prpplague> hehe
Jan 25 04:03:50 <prpplague> that is reserved for mdp
Jan 25 04:05:02 <mranostay> what did mdp ever do to you?
Jan 25 04:06:22 <prpplague> mranostay: would like that as a double linked list?
Jan 25 04:06:38 <ds2> a tree, please.
Jan 25 04:07:03 <ds2> penalties for lopsided ones
Jan 25 04:07:04 <mranostay> circle buffer
Jan 25 04:08:06 <mranostay> oh noes Russ  is here
Jan 25 04:09:10 <Russ> I have UML woes
Jan 25 04:10:37 <ds2> User Mode Linux woes? :D
Jan 25 04:10:58 <Russ> yup
Jan 25 04:11:19 <Russ> since around host kernel ~3.5 or so, its been causing major problems
Jan 25 04:11:19 <ds2> UML on ARM?
Jan 25 04:11:23 <Russ> x86_64
Jan 25 04:11:39 <ds2> oh legacy crap :D
Jan 25 04:16:35 <Russ> hard lock :(, no sysrq
Jan 25 04:18:29 <prpplague> mranostay: http://www.costumesgalore.net/purple-wool-top-hat.html
Jan 25 04:19:31 <Russ> are we all planning on wearing puple now?
Jan 25 04:19:42 <Russ> http://www.costumesgalore.net/mens-purple-tuxedo.html
Jan 25 04:19:59 <CareBear\> prpplague : how high is the hat?
Jan 25 04:21:00 <prpplague> Russ: hehe i was thinking about the hat only
Jan 25 04:21:05 <prpplague> CareBear\: not very high
Jan 25 04:22:26 <prpplague> mranostay: better yet - http://www.cafepress.com/+got_purple_trucker_hat,68802175?cmp=knc-pla-68802175&utm_term=68802175&utm_medium=cpc%26utm_cp_signal%3d18&pid=3607873&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=sem_product_feed
Jan 25 04:23:55 <Russ> http://www.cafepress.com/mf/1615066/gomee4shirtwcopyrightpng_tshirt umm
Jan 25 04:26:19 <prpplague> hmm that took me to the main page
Jan 25 04:26:34 <Russ> link wfm
Jan 25 06:25:37 * mranostay yawns 
Jan 25 06:26:01 <mranostay> fixed my defective geiger cape (not the demo one)
Jan 25 06:27:47 <mranostay> this is why you don't overvoltage resistors :)
Jan 25 06:29:03 <ka6sox> overvoltage a resistor?
Jan 25 06:29:16 <mranostay> a SMD yes
Jan 25 06:29:22 <mranostay> they do have ratings
Jan 25 06:29:40 * ka6sox wants to see this :D
Jan 25 06:29:55 <mranostay> ka6sox: they will arc
Jan 25 06:30:06 <mranostay> you know how SMD resistors are formed right?
Jan 25 06:30:18 <ka6sox> dust of the earth?
Jan 25 06:30:25 <mranostay> well yes
Jan 25 06:30:50 <mranostay> they basically are the same but they put a cut in it for the different resistances
Jan 25 06:31:34 * mranostay checks his cosm readings for sanity
Jan 25 06:34:55 <ka6sox> mranostay, thin or thick film?
Jan 25 06:35:58 <mranostay> thick in this case
Jan 25 06:36:13 <mranostay> what are the pluses of thin?
Jan 25 06:38:03 <ka6sox> what was the value of the resistor that was "overvoltaged"?
Jan 25 06:38:45 <mranostay> 1M
Jan 25 06:39:00 <mranostay> i replaced it and all is well.. for now :)
Jan 25 06:39:28 <ka6sox> what voltage did you apply across it?
Jan 25 06:40:31 <mranostay> hmmm now i think about it the 10M should have failed sooner...
Jan 25 06:41:10 <ka6sox> ??????????????
Jan 25 06:41:29 <mranostay> ka6sox: that is a lot of? :)
Jan 25 06:41:40 <emeb_mac> fell asleep on the key
Jan 25 06:41:46 * mranostay pulls up schmatic
Jan 25 06:41:52 <ka6sox> what voltage did you apply across the resistor?
Jan 25 06:42:32 <mranostay> let me calculate
Jan 25 06:43:33 <mranostay> hmm 33 volt drop on the 1M and 470~ on the 11M :/
Jan 25 06:43:56 <mranostay> doesn't make sense now
Jan 25 06:44:24 <emeb_mac> violating ohms law there dude.
Jan 25 06:44:24 <ka6sox> so 500V across the series resistors?
Jan 25 06:44:28 <ka6sox> no kidding
Jan 25 06:45:13 <mranostay> gah i meant 363
Jan 25 06:45:18 <mranostay> -ETOOLATE
Jan 25 06:45:20 <emeb_mac> better
Jan 25 06:45:26 <ka6sox> mucho bettah
Jan 25 06:45:47 <ka6sox> what are the "wattage" values on the resistors you chose?
Jan 25 06:46:14 <mranostay> 0805 resistors so that is 0.3 watts iirc
Jan 25 06:46:33 * mranostay doubles checks
Jan 25 06:46:45 <mranostay> ah 0.125 watt
Jan 25 06:46:55 <emeb_mac> When you break ohms law a very stern German guy shows up at the door with a citation.
Jan 25 06:47:11 <ka6sox> *or* smoke comes out....take your pick.
Jan 25 06:47:12 <mranostay> i don't want to see _av500_ at my front door
Jan 25 06:49:04 <mranostay> ka6sox: so you going to ELC two days?
Jan 25 06:49:14 <ka6sox> wed-thurs
Jan 25 06:50:14 <ka6sox> so 13mW and 1mW smoked those resistors?
Jan 25 06:50:29 <ka6sox> or your resistor "arced" to where?
Jan 25 06:50:33 <ka6sox> across itself?
Jan 25 06:50:37 <ka6sox> to the board?
Jan 25 06:50:55 <mranostay> itself i'm guessing
Jan 25 06:51:17 <mranostay> ka6sox: you are going to miss mru's talk :/
Jan 25 06:51:35 <mranostay> wait
Jan 25 06:51:43 <ka6sox> since I have to give a talk at *exactly* the same time 350miles away...unaviodable.
Jan 25 06:51:47 <mranostay> nm his is Thursday
Jan 25 06:51:52 <ka6sox> oh
Jan 25 06:51:55 <ka6sox> then I'll make it
Jan 25 06:52:07 <ka6sox> I'll bring the peanuts and popcorn.
Jan 25 06:52:30 <mranostay> hmmm only panto's talk on Friday I have to attend really
Jan 25 06:53:47 <ka6sox> take a high powered loupe and look @ the resistor...see if there is damage.
Jan 25 06:54:13 <ka6sox> (and from what I am reading...thickfilm is used for LOW value resistors where you need high current (like charging circuits)
Jan 25 06:55:07 <mranostay> what are the dims on a thin vs thick?
Jan 25 06:55:27 <ka6sox> thickness of the coatings
Jan 25 06:55:43 <ka6sox> 0805 is 0805
Jan 25 06:55:49 <mranostay> d'oh
Jan 25 06:57:13 <mranostay> thin is much more expensive right?
Jan 25 06:57:32 <mranostay> better tolerence though?
Jan 25 06:57:59 <ka6sox> you can ESD a thin easier than a thick
Jan 25 07:04:12 <ka6sox> mranostay, are we talking like this kind of arcing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Resistor_damaged_arcing.jpg?
Jan 25 07:07:43 <ka6sox> mranostay, to operate at the voltage you have on the resistor you need a 2010 size
Jan 25 07:08:34 <ka6sox> (the 10M)
Jan 25 07:19:30 <_av500_> ahoi
Jan 25 07:19:42 <panto> arr mateys
Jan 25 07:26:56 <yegorich> ahoi!
Jan 25 07:29:02 <mranostay> dammit panto is here
Jan 25 07:34:20 <ka6sox> mranostay, straighten up and fly right.
Jan 25 07:34:50 <mranostay> fly right?
Jan 25 07:35:06 <mranostay> i don't have a pilot
Jan 25 07:35:09 <mranostay> 's license
Jan 25 07:35:46 <_av500_> Mc Fly
Jan 25 07:38:06 <ka6sox> and stop violating Ohm's Law...or I will send av500 to your house :D
Jan 25 08:18:21 <sr105> I'm trying to bbappend another kernel recipe changing the machine and adding my own defconfig, but bit bake doesn't see it. If I put it in the layer with the kernel recipe, it finds it. http://pastebin.com/C5W2MNfJ
Jan 25 08:18:49 <sr105> Does anyone see what I'm missing>
Jan 25 08:18:50 <sr105> ?
Jan 25 08:19:02 <woglinde> hi sr105
Jan 25 08:19:07 <sr105> hi
Jan 25 08:22:03 <mrpacket_> :-)
Jan 25 08:22:04 <mrpacket_> :-)
Jan 25 08:22:29 <woglinde> fish?
Jan 25 08:23:10 <mrpacket_> got my lcd3 working
Jan 25 08:23:11 <mrpacket_> :-0)
Jan 25 08:23:25 <av500> what happened to lcd1 and lcd2?
Jan 25 08:23:33 <mrpacket_> don't know
Jan 25 08:23:35 <mrpacket_> :-)
Jan 25 08:24:08 <mrpacket_> thats very coolness
Jan 25 08:24:13 <mrpacket_> sounds crazy
Jan 25 08:24:23 <mrpacket_> but i'm most happy
Jan 25 08:28:51 <woglinde> I thought you make design only
Jan 25 08:28:55 <woglinde> at the moment
Jan 25 08:28:58 <woglinde> gm av500
Jan 25 08:29:22 <av500> gm woglinde
Jan 25 08:30:57 <mrpacket_> does anyone have a part number for the header pins for capes?
Jan 25 08:33:49 <av500> aint it standard 2.54mm parts?
Jan 25 08:35:19 <mrpacket_> yup, but theres pins and pins an pins
Jan 25 08:35:25 <mrpacket_> easy insertion force
Jan 25 08:35:28 <mrpacket_> pin length
Jan 25 08:35:30 <mrpacket_> etc et
Jan 25 08:36:02 <woglinde> mrpacket you have wait for us than
Jan 25 08:36:06 <woglinde> to awake
Jan 25 08:37:17 <mrpacket_> lol.
Jan 25 08:37:32 <mrpacket_> but not all of the world lives in teh US o A
Jan 25 08:53:34 <jkroon> Is it possible to run the beagleboard image built by Openembedded Core (+meta-ti layer) in Qemu, without creating an sd-image of the joined fat+ext3 partitions ?
Jan 25 09:37:05 <av500> koen: ping
Jan 25 09:59:16 <mrpacket_> what flashy front end graphics do you run on a beagle
Jan 25 09:59:17 <mrpacket_> :-)
Jan 25 10:01:45 <av500> a blinking LED?
Jan 25 10:02:27 <ant_work> koen: who i supposed to merge meta-initramfs patches now? You or Martin? #42499 is still unapplied
Jan 25 10:05:55 <mrpacket_> i done blinky leds
Jan 25 10:06:05 <mrpacket_> someones drawn a penguin on my screen
Jan 25 10:06:40 <av500> report him
Jan 25 10:06:42 <av500> for vandalism
Jan 25 10:07:04 <mrpacket_> ... someone is drawing tux penguins on my screen
Jan 25 10:09:26 <mrpacket_> i want ducks
Jan 25 10:12:13 <panto> afk for a while
Jan 25 10:17:18 <woglinde> jo panto
Jan 25 10:36:06 <koen> ant_work: ping martin, otherwise I'll apply them tomorrow
Jan 25 11:21:21 * av500 has *it*
Jan 25 11:21:26 <av500> koen: ^^^
Jan 25 11:23:55 <koen> black?
Jan 25 11:24:08 <av500> si
Jan 25 11:57:26 <mdp> sekrit black
Jan 25 12:00:31 <koen> holy crap
Jan 25 12:00:32 <koen> https://wiki.analog.com/resources/tools-software/linux-drivers-all
Jan 25 12:00:46 <koen> look at the sub pages as well
Jan 25 12:00:53 <koen> mainline status, example usage and all
Jan 25 12:01:00 <koen> no DT, though
Jan 25 12:05:32 <mdp> koen, yeah, I've used their page before to show some mgmt how much smarter they are than our analog group
Jan 25 12:06:03 <koen> I've had similar conversation with prpplague as well
Jan 25 12:07:49 <mdp> plenty of people internally understand that something is wrong there...just not the "deciders"
Jan 25 12:07:52 <mdp> as usual
Jan 25 12:08:32 <mdp> koen, all you have to do is spend a year as a sitara apps engineer and see how many people are sold the complete TI BOM for which there are no drivers ;)
Jan 25 12:09:22 <koen> I was FAE, so I pestered you app engineers about that
Jan 25 12:09:23 <mdp> or any other digital part...as that always becomes the focal point for supporting drivers and supporting real production h/w
Jan 25 12:09:26 <mdp> yep
Jan 25 12:09:54 <koen> a lot of support came from nokia and archos since they wrote their own drivers
Jan 25 12:10:16 <koen> forward port that, customer reasonably happy
Jan 25 12:10:27 <mdp> koen, I think it's humorous that while in that role, the drivers I wrote for people were for !TI parts..just to drive success. stuff that we don't make anyway, but still
Jan 25 12:10:48 <mdp> koen, right
Jan 25 12:11:07 <mdp> koen, we all work on FOSS because we are naturally lazy ;)
Jan 25 12:12:45 * mdp stares at the highly depressing Ce board
Jan 25 12:13:19 <koen> \o/
Jan 25 12:13:25 <koen> parcel from HK arrived
Jan 25 12:13:42 <LetoThe2nd> mdp: CE as in "Call Engineer"?
Jan 25 12:13:58 <mdp> ti8148
Jan 25 12:14:18 <mdp> koen, I'm also waiting for a HK post parcel ;)
Jan 25 12:14:42 <mdp> LetoThe2nd: close enough though
Jan 25 12:14:49 <LetoThe2nd> hrhr
Jan 25 12:15:08 <mdp> for one, it consumes a tremendous amount of bench space...piggish board
Jan 25 12:15:36 <mdp> two, koen, never made enough free software for it..I blame him for everything
Jan 25 12:15:48 <LetoThe2nd> ah, some dsp thing.
Jan 25 12:16:19 <koen> mdp: spectrum digital, no?
Jan 25 12:17:01 <mdp> mistral did 814x evm, SD did 816x evm
Jan 25 12:57:39 <av500> koen: I want 10%
Jan 25 13:53:31 <jkroon> I'm trying to boot my Beagleboard image in qemu-linaro, but I can't get the virtual usb keyboard/mouse to work in qemu. I think the virtual devices gets connected to the OTG usb hub, not the "main" EHCI hub. Anyone got a tip for me ?
Jan 25 14:12:37 <koen> mdp: I've been talking with the ST guy and he revealed that using IIO properly is much different from the cat sysfs-node way of using IIO
Jan 25 14:12:52 <mdp> ;)
Jan 25 14:13:19 <koen> mdp: the accelerometer can be read using sysfs, but if you want to use /dev/iio:deviceX you need to hook the interup line of the chip to your board and tell IIO to use that as trigger
Jan 25 14:13:40 <mdp> you aren't doing high-resolution adc captures via cat of sysfs nodes ;)
Jan 25 14:13:54 <mdp> ahh, yes
Jan 25 14:13:54 <panto> right, that's overkill for most uses
Jan 25 14:13:56 <koen> so for testing you hook up i2c, gnd and vin, echo accel 0xaddress > new_device and do sysfs
Jan 25 14:14:20 <koen> for the proper stuff you need to do more
Jan 25 14:14:50 <koen> he mentioned 'boardfile', I didn't have the heart to start a 'can DT help with that?' conversation :)
Jan 25 14:15:27 <koen> jkridner__: https://wiki.analog.com/software/linux/docs/iio/iio_netscope
Jan 25 14:15:57 <av500> koen: did you mention node.js?
Jan 25 14:16:13 <koen> av500: I don't need to when talking to jkridner__
Jan 25 14:16:22 <av500> but to the ST guy?
Jan 25 14:17:37 <koen> no
Jan 25 14:17:50 <koen> not sure how usefull nodejs in the kernel is
Jan 25 14:19:41 <mdp> koen, "where's the boardfile" is a recurring theme ;)
Jan 25 14:26:51 <koen> yes, where is it?
Jan 25 14:27:08 <panto> board-generic.c
Jan 25 14:28:49 <KotH> somehow, i find DT easier to use.. dunno why ;)
Jan 25 14:31:16 <av500> KotH: its not turing complete
Jan 25 14:31:41 <mru> av500: that's only a matter of time
Jan 25 14:39:59 <keesj> the terms used on the netscope page are from the netscape times (HTML , CGI ), the document diagrams are is probably designed in xfig so similar
Jan 25 14:40:02 <keesj> or
Jan 25 14:46:21 <mdp> panto, lol
Jan 25 14:59:18 <av500> keesj: best viewed in mosaic
Jan 25 14:59:32 <av500> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/01/mosaic/
Jan 25 15:14:16 <keesj> :P
Jan 25 15:14:38 <keesj> we have some solaris servers here that still have netscape
Jan 25 15:15:15 <mdp> cool, the way the web was meant to be viewed!
Jan 25 15:16:18 <mdp> I'd need to run it on an HP/UX box to get the full retro feeling though
Jan 25 15:19:21 <keesj> you also need X11 private color maps and web-safe colors
Jan 25 15:19:47 <mdp> +1
Jan 25 15:20:14 <Crofton|work> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/01/i-didnt-know-that-cheese-burns-so-well-he-said/
Jan 25 15:22:47 <av500> that too
Jan 25 15:23:18 <av500> keesj: 6x6x6 colors is enough for everybody
Jan 25 15:23:29 <MZXGiant> Anyone in here intimately familiar with U-Boot? I'm trying to shave off as much time as possible from the boot sequence and I'm curious whether that has any optimizations I can utilize?
Jan 25 15:23:45 <av500> run it downhill
Jan 25 15:23:58 <MZXGiant> :P
Jan 25 15:25:10 <emeb_mac> MZXGiant: it's possible to bypass uboot entirely
Jan 25 15:25:28 <koen> load from mlo or prepend a bootheader to your kernel
Jan 25 15:25:42 <koen> or pull a matthew broderick
Jan 25 15:25:49 <emeb_mac> someone here (ceriand_*) has a version of mlo that can run scripts and load the kernel.
Jan 25 15:25:51 <koen> the fastest way to boot is not to boot at all
Jan 25 15:26:04 <av500> koen: +1000
Jan 25 15:26:11 <MZXGiant> Hmmmmm
Jan 25 15:26:25 <av500> reboot late, reboot never
Jan 25 15:26:53 <av500> snapshot boot it
Jan 25 15:27:06 <MZXGiant> av500; How can I snapshot boot it?
Jan 25 15:27:06 <av500> sony does that on their TVs
Jan 25 15:27:10 <MZXGiant> That would be perfect
Jan 25 15:27:22 <av500> there is some cody out there
Jan 25 15:27:28 <av500> Mr. Sony told me
Jan 25 15:27:31 <av500> what was his name?
Jan 25 15:27:34 <av500> koen: ^^
Jan 25 15:27:53 <av500> Tim Bird
Jan 25 15:27:56 <Crofton|work> Tim Bird?
Jan 25 15:28:05 <av500> or was it glx
Jan 25 15:28:36 <av500> "linux snapshot boot"
Jan 25 15:29:06 <av500> gg "linux snapshot boot"
Jan 25 15:29:22 <ogra_> so called hibernate ?
Jan 25 15:29:31 <av500> that would be from RAM
Jan 25 15:29:59 <jackmitchell> my sony TV is slow :(
Jan 25 15:30:02 <av500> but is an option too of course
Jan 25 15:30:22 <av500> more like suspend to disk
Jan 25 15:30:31 <ogra_> yeah
Jan 25 15:30:41 <MZXGiant> Is there anything packaged to support that in Angstrom, or is this a "Go find a C compiler and DIY" thing at this point?
Jan 25 15:30:47 <keesj> but u-boot "overhead" cna be trimmed down to 200/300 ms
Jan 25 15:30:51 <av500> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/dongwook
Jan 25 15:30:59 <av500> I love how that page mentions no year
Jan 25 15:31:06 <ogra_> hibernateto swapfile;)
Jan 25 15:31:08 <av500> could be April 11th 2014
Jan 25 15:31:17 <av500> an no
Jan 25 15:31:19 <av500> 2011
Jan 25 15:31:19 * MZXGiant hums the Back to the Future theme
Jan 25 15:31:22 <keesj> (enabling caches, tweaking the kernel image to load )
Jan 25 15:31:22 <av500> its in the gif
Jan 25 15:31:37 <MZXGiant> keesj; Can I do that from the uEnv, or do I need a NAND for that?
Jan 25 15:31:46 <MZXGiant> (I'm running on a BeagleBone with just the microSD for storage)
Jan 25 15:31:47 <av500> ?
Jan 25 15:31:57 <av500> microsd is like nand
Jan 25 15:32:23 <MZXGiant> Ahh, I thought I had read somewhere that you couldn't extensively tweak u-boot if you were using just SD
Jan 25 15:32:29 <av500> why not
Jan 25 15:32:31 <av500> its SW
Jan 25 15:32:39 <MZXGiant> I dunno, I'm just parroting what I got from Google :P
Jan 25 15:32:50 * av500 hands MZXGiant a cookiee
Jan 25 15:32:55 <av500> -e
Jan 25 15:33:03 * MZXGiant nomnomnomnom
Jan 25 15:33:47 <keesj> MZXGiant: probably not , you also need to remove the 3 seconds delay (waiting for a prompt)
Jan 25 15:34:14 <MZXGiant> Looks like the version on the beaglebone demo already does that
Jan 25 15:34:40 <MZXGiant> http://pastebin.com/u0F4hzvm <- That's pretty much what I see
Jan 25 15:35:40 <av500> you could remove the search for  NAND
Jan 25 15:35:57 <av500> enable caches
Jan 25 15:36:10 <av500> compile uEnV in
Jan 25 15:36:10 <MZXGiant> Is that source modification or uEnv.txt stuff?
Jan 25 15:36:23 <av500> I fear one day you will have to edit source
Jan 25 15:36:24 <MZXGiant> I'm just not familiar with uEnv enough to know how to do these things :P
Jan 25 15:36:27 <MZXGiant> Haha
Jan 25 15:36:36 <keesj> also use something like "ts" from moreutils to get differential times between the output
Jan 25 15:36:56 <av500> oh, and use 1Mbit instead of 115200
Jan 25 15:37:53 <keesj> disabling serial debug (from the kernel also helps)  look at http://elinux.org/Boot_Time
Jan 25 15:40:03 <av500> it already helps to make it 10x faster
Jan 25 15:40:08 <av500> that way you still have logs
Jan 25 15:40:14 <av500> of course you can remove it in the end
Jan 25 15:40:31 <av500> a great plague is upon us
Jan 25 15:40:38 <MZXGiant> thanks :)
Jan 25 15:45:39 <koen> av500: snapshot boot was for camcorders
Jan 25 15:48:24 <av500> koen: oh well
Jan 25 15:48:53 <av500> rpibonebeagleballsnowpandakiller: https://semiaccurate.com/2013/01/25/amd-puts-out-a-cheap-embedded-apu-development-board/
Jan 25 15:49:34 <av500> WTF. no HDMI/DVI????
Jan 25 15:51:45 <jackmitchell>  it has a USB2, SPI, PWM, and a bunch of A/D and D/A lanes
Jan 25 15:51:57 <jackmitchell> thats some odd io for an amd board
Jan 25 15:52:39 <jackmitchell> I spoke to an intel representative at an embedded conference earlier this year and they refused to belive I would use SPI for anything other than bootloader
Jan 25 15:53:21 <jackmitchell> since then I assumed everyone in x86 land was the same
Jan 25 15:54:11 <robclark> av500, that is quite a pair of heatsinks
Jan 25 15:56:43 <av500> robclark: yep
Jan 25 15:56:48 <av500> sink all the heats!
Jan 25 15:57:12 <robclark> heheh
Jan 25 15:57:35 <koen> jackmitchell: the intel folks I dealt with had a fond obsession with SPI flash for uEFI stuffs
Jan 25 15:58:33 <jackmitchell> koen: yes, that rings some bells - they pretty much laughed when I proposed that I was connecting something other than flash over SPI
Jan 25 16:00:03 <jackmitchell> that was when I realised they either needed to train people better before sending them public facing, or they really don't have a clue how the embedded world works
Jan 25 16:00:20 <jackmitchell> I chose to believe the former
Jan 25 16:01:15 <av500> embedded = a PC in a 19" rack
Jan 25 16:01:19 <av500> no?
Jan 25 16:02:07 <jackmitchell> http://www.advantech.com/products/ARK-6310-6M01E/mod_1CE4204B-56FD-4B6A-BA09-81B2D7AC205D.aspx
Jan 25 16:02:14 <jackmitchell> you want embedded?
Jan 25 16:02:28 <av500> totally
Jan 25 16:02:30 <mru> 'embedded' use to signify a computer as part of some apparatus whose primary purpose is not computing
Jan 25 16:03:17 <av500> jackmitchell: and why would you use SPI for e.g. and ad converter when you have PCIE
Jan 25 16:03:21 <av500> -d
Jan 25 16:04:03 <jackmitchell> PCIE can go at 2GB per second you know, why would you want 2MB per second?
Jan 25 16:04:18 <av500> xactly
Jan 25 16:04:35 <jackmitchell> how do you display 4K resolution with that?
Jan 25 16:04:52 <av500> use SPI
Jan 25 16:10:58 <mdp> #spialldathings
Jan 25 16:17:02 <av500> mdp: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/news_feeds/icons/original/000/006/785/T.I..jpg
Jan 25 16:17:11 <av500> yes, double ..
Jan 25 16:17:41 <mdp> hehe, I need a T-Shirt of this to wear around The Heartland
Jan 25 16:17:52 <mdp> I get asked about our awesome calculators...a lot!
Jan 25 16:18:21 <mdp> the correct answer is always, "yes, I make all those calculators you love"
Jan 25 16:18:44 <mdp> ...on a 3d printer in my basement
Jan 25 16:30:05 <woglinde> re
Jan 25 16:31:04 <mdp> red
Jan 25 16:31:53 <robclark> redrum
Jan 25 16:32:26 * mdp runs
Jan 25 16:32:35 <robclark> heheh
Jan 25 16:32:55 <woglinde> so after getting java recipes working again time to update them to latest release
Jan 25 16:34:07 <av500> making coffee?
Jan 25 16:34:17 <woglinde> yes
Jan 25 16:34:19 <av500> 1) let the monkey cat eat it
Jan 25 16:34:20 <woglinde> sweet sour
Jan 25 16:34:28 <av500> 2) let the monkey cat poop it
Jan 25 16:34:32 <av500> 4) profit
Jan 25 16:37:40 <mranostay> mru: so that outside your window?
Jan 25 16:37:52 <mru> yeah
Jan 25 16:38:28 <mranostay> did that dinky car move the SUV?
Jan 25 16:38:39 <mru> yes
Jan 25 16:39:08 <mranostay> how is that even possible? :)
Jan 25 16:39:25 <mru> it was moving rather fast
Jan 25 16:39:47 <mru> and compare the damage
Jan 25 16:40:15 <mru> the only damage to the suv seems to be a small dent on the door where it hit the smart
Jan 25 16:40:58 <mru> toyota build quality seems to be better than vw
Jan 25 16:41:15 <mranostay> how does one hit a parked car?
Jan 25 16:41:31 <mru> by driving towards it and not stopping
Jan 25 16:41:55 <mru> best part, the vw managed to hit the green beer truck on the opposite side of the street as well
Jan 25 16:42:41 <mranostay> double points... on your license :)
Jan 25 16:42:48 <av500> mranostay: thats a EU thing, narrow streets and such....
Jan 25 16:43:09 <av500> mranostay: that thing next to the SUV is actually a car
Jan 25 16:43:11 <mranostay> av500: ok i'm sure i wouldn't hit a parked car :)
Jan 25 16:43:33 <mru> this guy hit _five_ parked cars
Jan 25 16:43:34 <mranostay> you even have SUVs in Europe?
Jan 25 16:43:50 <av500> yes
Jan 25 16:43:55 <av500> we follow all the US fads
Jan 25 16:45:16 <mru> that's a toyota hilux btw, not sure if that quite counts as a suv
Jan 25 16:45:31 <av500> Crofton|work: real?
Jan 25 16:53:08 <Crofton|work> dunno, posted by a friend
Jan 25 16:54:12 <Crofton|work> in a tangent, I have been reminded of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcBOcwgb4OA
Jan 25 16:54:58 <mru> fedex just delivered a box
Jan 25 17:01:51 <av500> Crofton|work: I mean it realandorange was a typo
Jan 25 17:01:53 <av500> if*
Jan 25 17:02:02 <KotH> mru: open it carefully... it could be a bomb!
Jan 25 17:02:33 <av500> mine wasnt
Jan 25 17:04:16 <mranostay> KotH: why i open packages at a angle
Jan 25 17:04:43 <KotH> mranostay: doesnt help if it contains anthrax
Jan 25 17:04:56 <Crofton|work> av500, fixed
Jan 25 17:07:37 <mranostay> wait that wasn't cocaine?!?!
Jan 25 17:09:03 <av500> Crofton|work: domo
Jan 25 17:10:20 <KotH> mranostay: and remember, anthrax is very powerfull. it can make you sick for days even without being there... as demonstrated by the swiss post office :)
Jan 25 17:11:32 <av500> now I now why I have this headache all the time
Jan 25 17:11:39 <av500> its from mru's anthray package
Jan 25 18:06:24 <jkroon> I'm using openembedded core, the meta-ti layer, and qemu-linaro. I'm trying to add virtual a usb mouse/keyboard to the qemu machine, but I can't get them to work. I think they connected to the wrong virtual USB hub.. Anyone got a tip ?
Jan 25 18:06:56 <woglinde> jkroon look at the runqemu scripts in oe-core
Jan 25 18:08:07 <jkroon> woglinde, does oe-core use the linaro branch of qemu ? Cause the beaglexm machine is only available in the linaro branch
Jan 25 18:10:29 <woglinde> dont know but this should be independet from the usb stuff
Jan 25 18:10:51 <woglinde> but maybee musb is the horror in qemu too
Jan 25 18:57:02 <koen> jkridner__: so I used some iio userspace tools on the tscadc...
Jan 25 18:57:43 <koen> jkridner__: checkbox implementation, we'll need to extend it to make it usefull for our uses
Jan 25 18:57:57 <koen> jkridner__: like adding the sysfs exports every other IIO device has
Jan 25 18:58:33 <ds2> hmm
Jan 25 18:59:42 <koen> using iio userspace utils to read the ADC doesn't work, could be a missing trigger or something
Jan 25 18:59:58 <koen> but still, I spent a day on it and have nothing to show, only complaints
Jan 25 19:00:11 <koen> so it isn't ready for general consumption
Jan 25 19:00:25 <ds2> one can argue IIO isn't ready for general consumption
Jan 25 19:00:52 <koen> I argued that already in a different channel
Jan 25 19:00:55 <mranostay> KotH: i love the fake read i have to do before to get a real ADC reading :)
Jan 25 19:01:10 <ds2> oh.. so we are on the same side on IIO :)
Jan 25 19:01:25 <koen> I think IIO is a good start
Jan 25 19:01:34 <KotH> mranostay: hmm?
Jan 25 19:01:36 <ds2> but it is also overkill for the slower stuff
Jan 25 19:01:48 <mranostay> er koen
Jan 25 19:01:53 <koen> it better than tossing a 20 sided dice labeled 'hwmon', 'misc', 'input', 'power', etc to pick the subsys
Jan 25 19:01:56 <mranostay> dammit i can't tab complete today
Jan 25 19:02:08 <ds2> afaik, it is hard to make a generic IIO consumer
Jan 25 19:02:12 <KotH> mranostay: and that highly depends on the adc architecture
Jan 25 19:02:18 <ds2> given the current state, I'll take the 20sided die
Jan 25 19:02:29 <mranostay> KotH: quiet you :)
Jan 25 19:02:31 <jsabeaudry> What is beaglebone black?
Jan 25 19:02:52 <mranostay> we do no talk of that
Jan 25 19:02:53 <mranostay> *not
Jan 25 19:02:57 <KotH> mranostay: i could give you a 2h talk on adc architectures if you want  ;->
Jan 25 19:02:58 <koen> jsabeaudry: secret new version
Jan 25 19:02:59 <mranostay> it does not exiss
Jan 25 19:02:59 <ds2> color of a beagle bone burnt to ashes and mixed with a binder?
Jan 25 19:03:01 <mranostay> *exist
Jan 25 19:03:12 <jsabeaudry> What's the ETA?
Jan 25 19:03:13 <agmlego> jsabeaudry: Sexy, secret new version.
Jan 25 19:03:16 <agmlego> jsabeaudry: Later.
Jan 25 19:03:27 <mranostay> koen: ssshh you are going to get us killed :)
Jan 25 19:03:40 <jsabeaudry> agmlego, Arrr but I want one tomorrow
Jan 25 19:03:57 <ds2> good thing is IIO drivers are easy to back port away from IIO ;)
Jan 25 19:04:25 <koen> ds2: sssssh
Jan 25 19:04:25 <XorA> would be better to fix IIO
Jan 25 19:04:33 <ds2> koen: :)
Jan 25 19:04:35 <jsabeaudry> Any idea when the official announcements will be made?
Jan 25 19:04:35 <agmlego> jsabeaudry: Tough.
Jan 25 19:04:43 <XorA> kernel is in desperate need for standard ADC interface
Jan 25 19:04:43 <agmlego> jsabeaudry: Talk with jkridner__
Jan 25 19:04:59 <ds2> XorA: and IMO, IIO ain't it
Jan 25 19:05:15 <koen> the ST guy writing the drivers only used the example code in Documentation/IIO and the sysfs interface
Jan 25 19:05:31 <XorA> ds2: amusingly IIO interface is pretty similar to the homebrew interface I used for palmas :-D
Jan 25 19:05:46 <ds2> XorA: it depends on the underlying hw
Jan 25 19:06:13 <ds2> most of the stuff I been working with lately requires just as much work if not more to do IIO as it is to do say an input driver
Jan 25 19:07:10 <XorA> but still in general it is better to fix an existing interface than to create new ones to be obsoleted
Jan 25 19:07:36 <ds2> XorA: that argument can be applied recursively to preclude the development of IIO
Jan 25 19:07:40 <XorA> kernel is already a minefield of dead interfaces
Jan 25 19:08:06 <ds2> it would be nice if there was a backward compat layer so IIO drivers can interface with existing userlands
Jan 25 19:53:20 <KotH> http://i.imgur.com/bjDdVgz.png
Jan 25 19:56:21 <panto> time to go now
Jan 25 19:58:35 <woglinde> nite panto
Jan 25 19:59:00 <mranostay> so empty inside
Jan 25 19:59:21 <mranostay> KotH: prpplague beat you to it
Jan 25 19:59:28 <KotH> damn!
Jan 25 19:59:35 <mdp> hehe
Jan 25 19:59:44 <KotH> mranostay: but you can fill up your emptyness with vodka
Jan 25 20:00:06 <prpplague> hehe
Jan 25 20:00:10 <mranostay> me and vodka have never gotten along
Jan 25 20:00:36 <mranostay> my good friend beer on the other hand
Jan 25 20:04:34 <KotH> mranostay: you can also try a hamburger.. or a dozen :)
Jan 25 20:05:15 <mranostay> i can drink 12 beers probably.. 12 hamburgers would a little rough
Jan 25 20:05:36 <mranostay> unless we are talking white castle
Jan 25 20:10:32 <djlewis> ugh. . .white castle slum burgers
Jan 25 20:10:57 <mranostay> someone isn't a fan
Jan 25 20:11:10 <OWayne> I curious is there a recipe out there for omapl138 running a 3.x kernel? I see there is 03.22 PSP but recipes I have found are using a 2.6    │ dbussink
Jan 25 20:11:28 <agmlego> White Castle is the only successful endeavour in short-term food lending.
Jan 25 20:12:06 <KotH> must be a really good place
Jan 25 20:12:48 <agmlego> In fact, some sites have developed past lending and have reached recycling levels.
Jan 25 20:13:01 <OWayne> oops, sorry.
Jan 25 20:13:57 <KotH> OWayne: we excuse you for asking a technical question in here, while we were discussing food
Jan 25 20:14:22 <KotH> agmlego: i'm glad we dont have white castles here in europe
Jan 25 20:14:42 <KotH> but then, i'm surpriced that mcd and bk can still survive
Jan 25 20:15:28 <agmlego> KotH: Neither of those has yet hit onthe idea of lending. Taco bell has gotten close, but have not had sufficient grease to slide the idea home.
Jan 25 20:15:31 <agmlego> As it were...
Jan 25 20:16:20 <OWayne> thanks, I am asking about recipes but that is as close to food as I will get
Jan 25 20:16:55 <KotH> OWayne: what's your problem?
Jan 25 20:17:10 <KotH> OWayne: configure kernel, compile kernel, install kernel, ???, profit
Jan 25 20:17:20 <OWayne> is there a recipe out there for the omapl138 running a 3.x kernel? I see there is a 03.22 PSP but recipes I have found are using a 2.6 kernel and a older PSP
Jan 25 20:17:42 <KotH> agmlego: i rather go to a kaiten sushi... or for ramen...  healthier and tastier
Jan 25 20:18:22 <agmlego> KotH: To be sure, but those are hard to come by here.
Jan 25 20:18:33 <KotH> agmlego: yeah.. have the same prob
Jan 25 20:19:00 <KotH> agmlego: still need to convince my boss that we need a customer in japan, so we can travel there on company expenses
Jan 25 20:19:05 <Russ> mru, I love that 'But I spent two weeks writing this patch. You have to take it.'
Jan 25 20:20:51 <Russ> someone needs to redo this as a kernel patch submission https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-v-f2mT94Y
Jan 25 20:20:59 <Russ> 'oh dear, it took hours'
Jan 25 20:28:07 <_av500_> OWayne: this is not really the place for omapl138
Jan 25 20:30:37 <KotH> _av500_: is there one?
Jan 25 20:31:02 <woglinde> av500 hm ti b2b forum?
Jan 25 20:31:08 <woglinde> av500 I told him to ask here
Jan 25 20:32:55 <_av500_> well l138 was hawkboard
Jan 25 20:33:06 <_av500_> and we know ehere that went
Jan 25 20:33:09 <_av500_> where
Jan 25 20:33:43 <_av500_> and I doubt anybody put any effort in it since 2.6 and some PSP back then
Jan 25 20:34:30 <KotH> why wasnt the hawkboard a success? its specs were kind of neat
Jan 25 20:34:48 <woglinde> everybody had a beagle
Jan 25 20:34:58 <woglinde> so why buy another board
Jan 25 20:35:55 <KotH> so, the beagle killed his own siblings
Jan 25 20:36:51 <woglinde> hm and they did not had koen
Jan 25 20:38:30 <_av500_> KotH: it had a fucked up sdram
Jan 25 20:38:44 <_av500_> so most of the initial batch did not work
Jan 25 20:38:51 <_av500_> then it was only arm9
Jan 25 20:38:59 <_av500_> and a floating point dsp
Jan 25 20:39:09 <_av500_> not really a r-pi killer
Jan 25 20:39:38 <_av500_> and it had no koen
Jan 25 20:40:31 <_av500_> omapl138  is omap only in name
Jan 25 20:42:07 <mranostay> did the hawkboard ever get unfucked? :)
Jan 25 20:43:12 <mranostay> that was a Mistral design right?
Jan 25 20:43:58 <_av500_> no idea
Jan 25 20:44:01 <_av500_> I dod not follow it
Jan 25 20:44:06 <_av500_> since I never got my free board
Jan 25 20:44:16 <mranostay> heh
Jan 25 20:47:21 <OWayne> ok, thanks guys. I see what I can do. Just wanted to double check there was nothing out there. Don't want to reinvent the wheel as they say
Jan 25 20:48:41 <mranostay> everyone does
Jan 25 20:48:55 <mranostay> and mine is rounder
Jan 25 20:50:12 <mdp> EV3 is the new hawkboard
Jan 25 20:50:23 <mdp> comes with a case
Jan 25 21:04:47 <ds2> Mmmmm whitecastles
Jan 25 21:06:12 <_av500_> mdp: but that is not l138?
Jan 25 21:06:16 <koen> KotH: the hawkboard people were like "We're going to have everything seperate from beagle and we can do everything on our own"
Jan 25 21:06:33 <ds2> and a fine job they did on their own
Jan 25 21:06:35 <koen> KotH: and then they found out that the hawkboards blow themselves up due to bad hw design
Jan 25 21:06:38 <mranostay> ds2: we are have a Harold in here by chance? :)
Jan 25 21:06:54 <ds2> I am particular fond of the excellent choice in memory layout.
Jan 25 21:07:02 <ds2> It is so much better then POP
Jan 25 21:07:04 <_av500_> ds2: did it have nand?
Jan 25 21:07:14 <mranostay> koen: *ahem* Mistral *ahem*
Jan 25 21:07:17 <KotH> koen: oh.. NIH has always being helpfull in new designs :)
Jan 25 21:07:17 <ds2> _av500_: I think it might
Jan 25 21:09:49 <_av500_> koen: what is a little blown up between friends
Jan 25 21:10:04 <koen> _av500_: I got free replacements
Jan 25 21:10:12 <mdp> _av500_: correct, nobody needs a dsp
Jan 25 21:10:39 <koen> fun fact: SATA on the hawkboard only works because it does *NOT* follow the TI spec for layout and analog parts
Jan 25 21:10:51 <mranostay> hehe
Jan 25 21:10:51 <KotH> wtf?
Jan 25 21:10:56 <KotH> are the ti specs broken?
Jan 25 21:11:03 <koen> the deviation from spec was unintentional
Jan 25 21:11:09 <koen> KotH: no, silicon bug
Jan 25 21:11:13 <KotH> lol
Jan 25 21:11:35 <koen> hawkboard people kept insisting they followed the spec
Jan 25 21:11:44 <koen> schematics proved them wrong
Jan 25 21:12:04 <koen> but that still didn't lead to a solution I could hand to customers
Jan 25 21:12:20 <koen> the confirmation that it was a silicon bug came a year later
Jan 25 21:12:25 <_av500_> koen: btw, thanks for the archos endorsement earlier
Jan 25 21:12:40 <koen> _av500_: the nexus7 one?
Jan 25 21:12:59 <koen> or the driver one?
Jan 25 21:13:09 * koen forgets which part of archos he endorsed
Jan 25 21:13:24 <_av500_> the driver one
Jan 25 21:13:29 <koen> ah, right
Jan 25 21:16:28 <mdp> koen, as a result of problems with usb, pm, and sata on past parts..we've eliminated them from all new SoCs
Jan 25 21:16:53 <_av500_> make sense
Jan 25 21:17:06 <_av500_> make a usb+sata+pm companion IC
Jan 25 21:17:15 <_av500_> connected over i2c
Jan 25 21:17:24 <_av500_> gigI2C
Jan 25 21:17:28 <mdp> factory support is recommening bitbanging for that functionality
Jan 25 21:17:34 <mdp> put the burden on the customer
Jan 25 21:17:59 <koen> that chip used bitbanging for i2c as well
Jan 25 21:18:08 <koen> a customer demanded "the dma version of i2c"
Jan 25 21:18:16 <koen> that was a WTF moment
Jan 25 21:18:37 <koen> sneaky PSP people pinmuxed the i2c pins to i2c and then used i2c-gpio
Jan 25 21:19:17 <koen> mdp: about PM, the 1808 is very well suited for low power
Jan 25 21:19:32 <koen> it was designed for that by the audio people
Jan 25 21:20:07 <mdp> nevertheless, delivering features in a showstopper
Jan 25 21:20:12 <koen> yes
Jan 25 21:20:18 <koen> just set a launch date
Jan 25 21:20:22 <koen> that's all you need
Jan 25 21:20:37 <mdp> launch your codez into space
Jan 25 21:20:49 <koen> spaceX keynote at elc
Jan 25 21:22:01 <_av500_> all the customer needs is an EVM with matrix GUI and a firm handshake
Jan 25 21:22:09 <_av500_> ok, EVM is debatable
Jan 25 21:22:50 <KotH> _av500_: is that how you work at archos? :)
Jan 25 21:23:04 <_av500_> KotH: we never got the firm hadshake
Jan 25 21:23:20 <KotH> they have cheated you!
Jan 25 21:23:27 <_av500_> we are used to it
Jan 25 21:23:36 <_av500_> we used preproduction silicon
Jan 25 21:26:21 <koen> _av500_: at TI UK we had an angstrom demo using the QT coverflow demo to show and launch apps
Jan 25 21:26:33 <koen> _av500_: 6 months later they create 'matrix'
Jan 25 21:27:09 <koen> at one point I was told to stop mentioning are swipeable fake-3d demo and let the matrix people dig their own grave
Jan 25 21:27:28 <koen> that matrix thing was a farce
Jan 25 21:27:33 <_av500_> koen: were customers actually impressed?
Jan 25 21:37:40 <_av500_> guess not
Jan 25 21:40:20 <mdp> cool..junkbox friday find #1: a Ricoh-based PCI->CardBus card with a Kyocera KPC650 3G card ... old school
Jan 25 21:43:12 <_av500_> very
Jan 25 21:43:30 <_av500_> I have a CF 2G modem if you want, for your Zaurus
Jan 25 21:44:03 <_av500_> dount it even does edge
Jan 25 21:44:06 <_av500_> doubt
Jan 25 21:44:27 <mru> gprs?
Jan 25 21:44:35 <mdp> I sense nobody around you has an evdo card like I do ;)
Jan 25 21:44:48 <koen> evdo doesn't work in .eu
Jan 25 21:44:56 <mdp> koen, exactly..very good
Jan 25 21:45:05 <mdp> hence...
Jan 25 21:45:40 <koen> _av500_ might have one to test in his old products
Jan 25 21:46:30 <_av500_> nope
Jan 25 21:47:24 <_av500_> i have this: http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/news/2001/01034.htm
Jan 25 21:47:47 <_av500_> ha, and it mentions Raj
Jan 25 22:00:41 <Crofton|work> The Dutch are weird: http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/watch-this-hilarious-video-of-men-experiencing-childbirth/
Jan 25 22:04:30 <koen> yes we are
Jan 25 22:05:40 <XorA> could have shortened that to Dutch and still given same meaning :-D
Jan 25 22:06:36 <_av500_> in other news: http://gawker.com/5978945/german-soldiers-are-growing-boobs-on-one-side-of-their-bodies-oh-okay
Jan 25 22:06:51 <_av500_> dunno if they experiecne childbirth too
Jan 25 22:08:13 <mdp> _av500_, picked up in .us news as, "Gun usage linked to man-boobs."
Jan 25 22:09:51 <_av500_> mdp: yes, shooting to many intruders makes you a girl
Jan 25 22:10:00 <_av500_> a real man uses a knife
Jan 25 22:10:20 <XorA> a real man can deflect bullets with a knife :-D
Jan 25 22:10:51 <mranostay> XorA: yeah you keep telling yourself that :)
Jan 25 22:10:57 <mru> I've heard of men deflecting bulls...
Jan 25 22:10:59 <mdp> a cleaver is most manly
Jan 25 22:11:17 * XorA gets his 6ft by 4ft blade ready
Jan 25 22:11:30 <_av500_> your nail clipper?
Jan 25 22:11:44 <mranostay> they allow those on flights now
Jan 25 22:11:51 <_av500_> Xoras?
Jan 25 22:11:53 <mdp> cleavers?
Jan 25 22:12:00 <mranostay> nail clippers
Jan 25 22:12:08 <_av500_> or real ,en?
Jan 25 22:12:09 <_av500_> men
Jan 25 22:12:34 <emeb> bulls
Jan 25 22:12:42 <mdp> mranostay, bummer, I already bought and left a pair in a deposit box in each city I travel to
Jan 25 22:12:44 <mdp> darn
Jan 25 22:13:03 <_av500_> I heard of a new may to make a weapon by combining several nail clipper inside the airplane
Jan 25 22:13:27 <XorA> F**K
Jan 25 22:13:38 <mranostay> I like to buy a vowel
Jan 25 22:13:44 <mranostay> a  U please
Jan 25 22:13:51 <XorA> now UK police will ground all flights so save them going to work
Jan 25 22:13:54 <XorA> like last time
Jan 25 22:14:24 <emeb> comes the day - all airline passengers will have to change into tyvek gowns provided by the TSA.
Jan 25 22:14:32 <mranostay> mru: that is a lot of alcohol
Jan 25 22:14:33 <mdp> ok, so I get a classic friday SMS, "What's an Abbey Ale?"
Jan 25 22:14:34 <_av500_> XorA: your icelandic neighbours did that more effectively
Jan 25 22:14:49 <mdp> and I so wanted to mention Google instead of answering
Jan 25 22:15:02 <mru> mdp: usually pretty good
Jan 25 22:15:07 <XorA> _av500_: yeah, eat enough fermented shark and look what happens :-D
Jan 25 22:15:18 <mdp> mru, indeed, I said, "get that, trust me"
Jan 25 22:15:21 <mdp> ;)
Jan 25 22:15:30 <_av500_> emeb: if I could spend a flight lying down and sleeping in a straightjacket I maybe would
Jan 25 22:15:48 <mru> mranostay: one of those is 58%
Jan 25 22:16:03 <emeb> _av500_: that sounds comfortable, so probably unlikely.
Jan 25 22:16:05 <_av500_> mru: impossible, the bottle is not large enough
Jan 25 22:16:07 <XorA> _av500_: coffin flights, like coffin hotels?
Jan 25 22:16:12 <_av500_> yep
Jan 25 22:16:32 <mru> _av500_: indeed it was not
Jan 25 22:16:35 * emeb saw a concept article about that in Aviation Leak a few years ago.
Jan 25 22:17:01 <_av500_> remove all the seats and put layers of hammocks
Jan 25 22:17:07 <XorA> could make stop offs on the way just by ejecting coffin with parachute
Jan 25 22:17:20 <mranostay> _av500_: that would make landings fun
Jan 25 22:17:25 <XorA> Ryanair tried to get standing room only flights approved
Jan 25 22:17:34 <mru> brings a whole new meaning to the term coffin dodger
Jan 25 22:17:36 <emeb> _av500_: passengers would get in the coffins in the terminal and be loaded on board like cargo.
Jan 25 22:17:40 <mranostay> XorA: heh really?
Jan 25 22:17:43 <_av500_> XorA: yeas, standing in the luggage compartment
Jan 25 22:17:46 <XorA> mranostay: yes
Jan 25 22:18:03 <_av500_> well, they offered hand rails
Jan 25 22:18:06 <mranostay> this isn't a bus :)
Jan 25 22:18:08 <_av500_> fair deal
Jan 25 22:18:08 <XorA> mranostay: most of their flights are 1hr
Jan 25 22:18:25 <mru> ever been on the tokyo metro?
Jan 25 22:18:34 <_av500_> XorA: can I bring a bike on the plane? and a pram?
Jan 25 22:18:41 <XorA> _av500_: it was probably an extra 10GBP for a handrail section :-D
Jan 25 22:18:47 <_av500_> XorA: right
Jan 25 22:18:47 <mru> pay the driver
Jan 25 22:19:00 <_av500_> is there a line to pull for a stop?
Jan 25 22:19:13 <mru> or do they do it london style?
Jan 25 22:19:17 <_av500_> connected to a bell in the cockpit
Jan 25 22:21:13 <alan_o> what does bonelt mean in the context of dts files?
Jan 25 22:21:43 <koen> the old name for the new board
Jan 25 22:21:50 <_av500_> alan_o: how is that airplane related?
Jan 25 22:21:57 <koen> our sw team was faster than the mktg team
Jan 25 22:22:03 <mranostay> hey alan_o don't bring us on-topic
Jan 25 22:22:04 <alan_o> _av500_: I took my bone on an airplane once?
Jan 25 22:22:18 * mranostay calls police on alan_o 
Jan 25 22:22:22 <XorA> alan_o: and your just getting out of jail?
Jan 25 22:22:48 <alan_o> mranostay: hehe, I hadn't read the log, but there was a 2-minute silence, which is about 60 times more than you need in ham radio :)
Jan 25 22:23:02 <_av500_> hmm, ham
Jan 25 22:23:13 <XorA> hrr hrr, he said log
Jan 25 22:23:31 * mranostay hands _av500_ some SPAM
Jan 25 22:23:40 <_av500_> nice
Jan 25 22:24:10 <alan_o> koen: so the new board is a6?
Jan 25 22:24:16 <alan_o> koen: or something newer
Jan 25 22:24:22 <_av500_> mine says a4
Jan 25 22:24:26 <_av500_> i think
Jan 25 22:24:35 <mru> a4 here
Jan 25 22:24:47 * alan_o has an a5
Jan 25 22:24:57 <mru> a5 of what?
Jan 25 22:25:04 <XorA> each release is 1/2 the size of previous?
Jan 25 22:25:05 <mranostay> a6 here
Jan 25 22:25:13 <alan_o> mru: of bone
Jan 25 22:25:26 <mru> regular or the super-s3cr3t one?
Jan 25 22:25:27 <mranostay> XorA: haha
Jan 25 22:26:11 <alan_o> mru: regular, I think, since I'm unaware of the super secret one
Jan 25 22:26:28 <_av500_> you are not in #secretbone
Jan 25 22:26:32 <mru> good, so it's still secret
Jan 25 22:26:40 <_av500_> #skullandbone
Jan 25 22:27:14 <_av500_> mru: I put the fedex guy in the cellar
Jan 25 22:27:21 <_av500_> told him its only for a few weeks
Jan 25 22:27:44 <mru> not the beer cellar I presume
Jan 25 22:27:49 <_av500_> nah
Jan 25 22:28:01 <_av500_> the one with the leopard
Jan 25 22:28:09 <mru> makes sense
Jan 25 22:28:26 <mru> regular leopard or sphinx?
Jan 25 22:29:27 <_av500_> std issue
Jan 25 22:30:32 <mranostay> herpes?
Jan 25 23:17:07 <alexdavey> I'm having trouble SSHing into my beaglebone over usb. I'm on Mac OSX Lion, have installed the FTDI drivers, and can connect to it using screen, however when I try "ssh root@192.168.7.1" or (or 192.168.7.2, or beaglebone.local) it times out. I could ssh on my previous mac, and there was a "usb ethernet gadget" interface that isn't present now. Does anyone know what the problem might be?
Jan 25 23:18:18 <coldsoup> you can't ssh over serial (that I know of). Use a terminal emulator like miniterm.py
Jan 25 23:18:22 <alan_o> alexdavey: there's something on macs about ejecting vs unmounting the mass storage device
Jan 25 23:18:57 <alexdavey> coldsoup: I'm using iterm2.
Jan 25 23:19:19 <coldsoup> does mac have dmesg?
Jan 25 23:20:49 <alexdavey> yes: http://pastie.org/5863633
Jan 25 23:20:52 <coldsoup> oh, disambiguation... miniterm.py is a tool to communicate with serial ports. http://pyserial.sourceforge.net/examples.html
Jan 25 23:21:31 <alexdavey> alan_o: I believe that is only for Mountain Lion; and it didn't recognise the command.
Jan 25 23:23:02 <Russ> so, where can I get some clartitin?
Jan 25 23:23:19 <Russ> its the weekend, and it's time to party
Jan 25 23:23:20 <alan_o> Russ: Pharmacy?
Jan 25 23:23:43 <alan_o> uhh... didn't realize that one was recreational....
Jan 25 23:23:55 <Russ> they gave me a funny look when I asked for clar-ti-tin
Jan 25 23:24:40 <alan_o> there's a joke there.... and I'm not getting it (sorry:( )
Jan 25 23:24:49 <Russ> thats ok :)
Jan 25 23:25:12 <alan_o> I'll make sure to laugh extra hard at the next one :)
Jan 25 23:27:59 <mranostay> Russ: yeah i never have those fun side effects
Jan 25 23:28:59 <alan_o> mranostay: Trying to get my head around some of the new dt stuff in 3.8
Jan 25 23:29:13 <Russ> clartitin, the latest recreational drug, quickly gaining popularity amongst linux kernel developers everywhere
Jan 25 23:29:47 <alan_o> mranostay: looking at geiger cape, and really all of them, what's the dtbo?
Jan 25 23:30:01 <alan_o> I can't seem to find a file with taht name.
Jan 25 23:30:30 <mranostay> you have koen's vendor tree checked out?
Jan 25 23:30:34 <mranostay> and 3.8 branch?
Jan 25 23:30:40 <alan_o> yeah
Jan 25 23:30:51 <alan_o> looking at bone-common
Jan 25 23:31:19 <alan_o> whoa, it's not in there.
Jan 25 23:31:19 <alan_o> ok
Jan 25 23:31:21 <alan_o> it's in firmware
Jan 25 23:32:02 <mranostay> ah how can RS-232 work if you don't have a ground wire connected?
Jan 25 23:32:23 <Russ> mranostay, ground loop
Jan 25 23:32:26 <Russ> somewhere
Jan 25 23:33:19 <mranostay> ah great
Jan 25 23:35:25 <mranostay> Russ: that is bad right? :)
Jan 25 23:36:06 <Russ> can cause all sorts of dysfunction
Jan 25 23:50:34 <mrpackethead_> trolls
Jan 25 23:50:42 <mrpackethead_> the hobbits here
Jan 26 00:00:51 <mrpackethead_> anyone keen to make a suggestion on a GUI interface for the beagle?
Jan 26 00:01:32 <mru> xterm
Jan 26 00:02:55 <mrpackethead_> mmm
Jan 26 00:02:57 <mrpackethead_> maybe
Jan 26 00:03:22 <beagxmuser> Is the omap3-beagle-xm.dtb the right device tree for the beagleboardXM? It doesnt boot in QEMU with the latest 3.8rc5+patches
Jan 26 00:03:57 <mru> maybe qemu is broken
Jan 26 00:05:16 <beagxmuser> The kernel is panicking, is this dtb known to boot?
Jan 26 00:05:39 <mru> try on a real board and you'll know
Jan 26 00:06:13 <beagxmuser> Dont have access to one right now, hence the question.
Jan 26 00:06:37 <mru> if you don't have one, what difference does it make?
Jan 26 00:07:49 <beagxmuser> I'm trying to boot it on QEMU, I've been able to build other 3.4-based non-device-tree kernels that boot on QEMU's beaglexm virtual machine
Jan 26 02:18:06 <ds2> how many people actually use the USB on the Bone?
Jan 26 02:18:14 <mranostay> use?
Jan 26 02:18:20 <ds2> as in plug something in
Jan 26 02:18:37 <ds2> let me rephase... USB HOST
Jan 26 02:20:49 <mranostay> not really
Jan 26 02:21:08 <mranostay> i'm plugged in a usb stick to shutup the damn musb driver before
Jan 26 02:21:12 <mranostay> that count? :)
Jan 26 02:21:33 <ds2> I guess that counts :D
Jan 26 02:27:20 <mranostay> firing up the soldering iron a little buzzed at work
Jan 26 02:27:47 <mranostay> what could go wrong? :)
Jan 26 02:34:00 <mranostay> for the record it was beer o clock here :)
Jan 26 02:36:12 <mranostay> hey emeb_mac!
Jan 26 02:36:39 <emeb_mac> hey mranostay
Jan 26 02:37:54 <mranostay> emeb_mac: so ready for the elinux.org trolling bof?
Jan 26 02:38:16 <emeb_mac> mranostay: no idea. tell me more?
Jan 26 02:38:28 <mranostay> you are going to ELC right?
Jan 26 02:38:39 <mranostay> i'm sure wmat would love the support
Jan 26 02:39:27 <emeb_mac> nah - not going.
Jan 26 02:39:48 * emeb_mac hasn't ever been to any linux-related conventions.
Jan 26 02:44:53 <mranostay> emeb_mac: lame
Jan 26 02:50:05 <Russ> emeb_mac, really? The first one I went to, I won a laptop and an ipod
Jan 26 02:50:30 <emeb_mac> nice!
Jan 26 02:50:49 <mranostay> Russ: so all downhill from there
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